Fact Checkmate

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00:44 He's recovering a submerged automobile. Yeah, he must dip toe tow in water Wow Play-doh man I didn't know they had automobiles back in the day that's amazing weird The first is what these if you read enough books You'll find out all this is true the insight play-doh hat is just it's kind of freaking me out a little bit I Had a clip hold on what did I have? That's something for you about that let me see if I'm fine this yeah hmm Now we'll get to that later. I got a lot of fun stuff today, John. I got a couple of prestitute podcasts you know it's my new favorite thing. Oh yeah! I have a couple of fake news items that are gems Well why don't we start off with the few fake news items and then I'd love to bring in

01:38 A podcast, a couple of clips from a podcast where as you know the people who are running around reporting doing things behind the scenes they always seem to open up a little bit too far. when they're on a podcast. Yes, this is your thing now I want to back up a little because about five years ago i attempted to do mockery of podcasts which you eventually nixed well they were bad they got me in trouble with a bunch of podcasters it was really mean yeah it was a mean segment like hey you suck and let's laugh at you no that wasn't unnecessary yes yeah i think it was probably correct but you have repurposed the idea But you're doing it from a completely, I like this perspective. What you're doing based on a single claim...

02:22 that because of podcasting or being overseas, you know this is what it is. If you're doing an interview in England, you know, it's okay to say what you want... Because nobody in America is gonna hear it and all that sort of thing is a good thesis because I think your... Yeah, they're saying just the podcast, acting amongst their friends. This isn't what they'd probably talking about at the dinner table It's yeah, yeah in a way. It's exactly like that and today I have several things I have Well what let's do some fake news And then I have two reporters from the Washington Post who really started off this fake news What do we call it fake news? Bad yes style of ya fake nude fake news fad yes

03:08 Everybody's talking about fake news. So I have, besides just the normal thing where people bitch and moan about fake news...I actually have...well let's start with the Fake News Report which is the backgrounder. It's a long one but it's a background around fake news that was done on RT. I thought it was very good. It's a little long you can interrupt if you want but I thought it was a good take on the whole fake news concept then I have two fake news items. Well I will say that I mean it's very meta of you to have a fake news report from the state-sponsored fake news media. Yes, that is meta to the meta. Gazdia reports Fake News Fake News Here's an interesting fact about fake news It does not have a universally accepted definition The people who are pushing to ban it can't agree on what exactly it is that they're trying to ban

04:03 So, Facebook is at the forefront. Very soon users are going to be able to report any news story that they don't like as fake news. If you suspect a news story is fake, you can report it. Wait what is this? Who's doing this PSA? I guess it was some Facebook PSA. Nice! It just takes a few taps. A few taps? Your report helps us track and prevent fake news from spreading Enough people do it and it gets sent to the fact-checkers for review. And here is where the drama starts! Meet Facebook's fact checkers, ABC News which was allegedly busted recently for faking a crime scene for a live broadcast. The Associated Press, the APs fact checking department is... well they recently claimed that Assad isn't fighting

05:02 I can't help but hear this guy say fag checkers. It's just the Russian accent is weird Fact checkers. A fact checker that is widely accepted as being politically biased example, they accuse the Republicans of lying nine times as often as Democrats you are an embarrassment You sully the reputation of anyone who cites you as an authority on factishness Let alone fact you are fired so

05:38 These are just some of the guys who are going to be deciding what's fake and what's real for you. Way worse in Russia, so far no Russian press group is on Facebook's partner list instead there are two Ukrainian ones which are presumably going to be patrolling the Russian language part of Facebook yeah they're going to be impartial aren't they? Okay Facebook is going to start censoring news. Obviously, you me well we're no longer capable of deciding what to believe in or separate fact from fiction Did they get to a point? I think i saw this actually did they get to a point somewhere and then they wrap it up Yeah he just stopped right at the good point here Oh shit I'm sorry No its good! Stop right there

06:27 All right, let's stop right there. So let's go with a couple of fake news items I run into and i'm going to find these all the time because it just goes... Well before that just playing into this uh so the announcement was Facebook and we read this right after the show on Thursday Facebook said hey! We've got a whole panel together and this is how we're gonna do it Uh we're gonna allow the community The community can report what they think is fake news And then it'll go through our international fact check network which the Fact Check group and network is partially sponsored by George Soros, finance I should say. And Bill Gates. Oh is that the Gates Foundation or Bill Gates personally? That I don't know. Don't know probably the foundation if you use that as a front. At the top of the list of people who organizations who will be helping to fact check is ABC News which is very funny

07:21 We have Associated Press and of course Pointer which is the you know, is that a like a journalist journalistic organization? It's a it's a blog. It's a very expensive blog and Snopes obviously Yeah, but when the Russians did this report they showed a list that's a lot longer. It is like 40 people or something. That's all the fact check network members but the top three of four of ABC Pointer AP and Snopes

07:59 Those I think are the main guys. Well, here's what you know what's going to happen of course is that every piece of news that's partisan will be called fake news. Hello? Of course! And so they're gonna end up going and then when some stuff will be taken down for one reason or another... No no no no no no they're not gonna do that at first. The way i understand it is well it's the continuation of verified. You'll have a verified article which has been fact-checked And if you have a piece of news that has been fact-checked to be false, then it will receive I think a little skull and crossbones or something. Well it's still going to cause a furor amongst the people on the show. Of course it will! Let's listen to RTs wrap up here...

08:46 Yeah, the separate fact from fiction but you know what's more worrying this is part of a much bigger and much darker trend if you're a person with unconventional liberal views You are now being put on public watch lists in the US If you run a website that and I quote Criticizes the United States or Barack Obama NATO Ukraine the mainstream media There's an organization that is going to label you as Russian propaganda. This isn't some obscure website, it got cited by Washington Post It's like the West is turning into 1970s USSR

09:28 Dissidents, foreigners the unconventional are now the enemy. A new 21st century information inquisition a digital witch hunt where you are no longer trusted to decide what news you should see and if you think this isn't going to be abused well I don't know what to tell you Maybe instead of skull and crossbones they should use little hammer and sickle if you have fake news. So we know it's always going to be from the Russians. Now I have a couple, actually i would like to interject here because it was specifically about ABC and uh you of course maintain the Lerner Report, the Lehner report sorry, lehnerreport.com where is NBC right now according to you?

10:17 They were a month ago. The way I see them, they're one of the more crooked operations in terms of factual reporting. Right do you think that they are still pro-Hillary? Yeah I don't see any changes. They still have Katie Turner, now they got Cynthia McFadden who is the hot top of the list for the hit jobs and she comes on and she does these reports like...I mean I have a couple clips from NBC just yesterday that are very slanted. And in fact, let me give you an example. Katie Turrer they're trying to move her around because she took a slot on MSNBC to handle some hosting and this is the kind of dumb crap that you get on MSNBC and I'm going to explain why this is dumb but just play this short clip

11:11 to her hosting clip there. Obama's going to come out and give a press conference, and then before this happens she's- this is the question she asked of one other one of her reporters that is on the scene. But let's start with politics in our team of reporters Chris Jansing is at The White House briefing room and with me on set are Pentagon correspondent Hans Nichols and MSNBC political correspondent Casey Hunt. Chris you're there let's start with you does uh will President Obama Talk about this Russian hack if so, what do we expect him to say? Because clearly we know everything already well just think about this I'm watching this and they have a countdown timer showing that he's going to be speaking in about an hour Yeah So why would you I mean that just ask you as a hypothetical from a logical perspective the guy is going to be speaking in a few minutes of

12:02 So why would you ask somebody, what is he gonna say? What do you think he's gonna say? What do you think he's gonna do? He's going to be there. Why don't you just wait five minutes and you'll find out! Well she had... But it is the point of the speculation. Well I'll tell you she had a 20 second teaser that was planned before the commercial pod going into the B block for The Hour You need to fill it Yes, exactly. That is actually right. That's how it goes I know exactly but it's just when you watch you go what well I find why just watching anything these days become very laborious Because you turn on the TV and you can place a bet You know, I was like hey, you know, I'll bet five bucks It's Russia CIA trailer than one of those words Hey listen to this for a second This is my first prestitute podcast this is political product podcast and they have on David Brock

12:56 Yeah. David Brock is a guy who started, I think Media Matters and Media Matters is this organization that goes out and they fight news they don't like... Right it's the Hillary Front Organization she's large part of it Well that actually comes up in this podcast which I found very enlightening and also odd you know the way he just says who's paying for everything And these guys have gone out. I think this is a meeting matters going after Glenn Beck and they go up to the advertisers and they try to bring down News or information organizations that they don't agree with pretty much anybody who's not Democrat left progressive whatever label you want to put on it and

13:46 So David Brock is on the Politico podcast. Of course, he's way too candid and he's talking about...because he runs...He actually doesn't run Media Matters. He runs four organizations who are out there to literally create fake news, to debunk real news, to harass people and I thought it was worth a little listen. We'll start off with David Brock talking about the four organizations he runs in Including one of which is a for-profit. Apparently he's gotten tired of... Doing all this stuff and making no money So he's gonna try and make some real money with it, and he also gives us some insight into NBC. So The four principal groups media matters is our media watchdog group I started it in mid-04 too late to really help John Kerry with the swift boating And the I started media matters with the help of the Clintons who saw a need for An aggressive Media Watchdog Group after what they had been through in the 90s What kind of helped you think that was?

14:44 Money money money of course just my money. Just says it I didn't I've never heard him Just say oh yeah the Clintons they paid for that and set us up no problem um I started American bridge, which is a super PAC in early 2011? I was the first Democrat to plant the Super PAC flag after what happened in 2010 and we got outspent And there was a lot of Hand-wringing among liberals about citizens United with and then listen carefully you'll hear that he's very frustrated About money. He feels that he wasn't given enough money. He didn't have enough money to operate He probably could have single handedly made sure the Donald Trump never even would would step foot outside his door If he'd only had enough money to do it, you know I disagree with but I said we have to have a super PAC structure so we were successful in in

15:33 Helping to define Romney in 12 and less successful this time around which we can get into Crew is citizens for responsibility and ethics in Washington remember those guys crew No, yeah we talked about come I'd come from forgotten about him as well It's an ethics watchdog group that I took over a couple years ago because the somewhat controversially so yes thought you were kind of Yeah Well people thought I was too partisan and so Melanie Sloan right crew Melanie Sloan was the founding executive director She wanted to go into private sector. The group is gonna go under I took it over took responsibility for financing it found a replacement for Melanie

16:09 And you know they did great work in 16. They filed the first IRS complaint against the Trump Foundation, which was successful and that drew the media attention onto the foundation so more about that but we're going to build this organization up in the Trump era. So it is kind of interesting to hear all that stuff about The Trump Foundation, the huge million dollar foundation that uh...of course used funds improperly and had to pay fines? That wasn't some journalistic work from your big from your big news networks. No, that was a bunch of douchebags trying to discredit everything they did the work. On the right has a $30 million dollar year annual budget crew. You see him? We need more money. Right has a 30 million dollar year annual budget crew as a two million dollar year annual budget and there are lawsuits and lots of complaints. And you've got Norm- Yes we just signed up President Obama's ethics czar Norm Eisen and President Bush is which I'm very happy about Richard Painter because

17:03 You know, like-minded Republicans are a group that we're going to have to reach out to because this is now about small d democracy. It's not about capital D Democrats in some ways And then I have a fourth entity which is a for-profit media company called ShareBlue. We've been running that for about eight months, the idea there was to see if we could create an avidly pro Hillary website that would work. So it's more pro Hillary and making the case for Hillary than it was anti Trump although there was anti Trump content And it's got a million followers on Facebook and to work in progress But which we could talk more about but I believe there space for an antidote to Breitbart in this era, and that's what I want to do That's what I want to do with share blue unless

17:48 George Soros and Tom Steyer give me a billion dollars to start a real media outlet Which is what we need in this climate because journalism is gonna be significantly weaker MSNBC is under pressure from NBC to trope to tow at Trump line And and we need some alternative media. That's the life He doubles down on that. He doubles down on it. We're actually tedious yeah, and so now I'm going network by network in NBC. I'm working with the NBC right now And just watching everything they do and there's no evidence of this at all I'm just gonna give you the double down here from David president of the United States will remain as the executive producer of The Apprentice Yeah Now we know why The Apprentice tapes the rest of them were suppressed the 14,000 unaired out takes that we tried very hard to get first of all

18:48 What does he think this is? Like you can just get outtakes of everything and you have a right to publish that or, oh we tried so hard. It should've been blocked us everywhere because of course Trump's executive producer... it's private material! Why would you want to give me no one's going to give you that stuff. Outtakes that we tried very hard to get during the campaign Yeah, I mean this is an outrage and i know that there are hosts. An outrage! No listen listen to this This is the outrage. There are hosts at MSNBC now who feel their jobs Are at risk because the brass is for Trump Wow they've told you so one has yeah And I've heard of others Okay

19:26 I've heard of other one has bull crap. What's happening is their ratings are so bad, they got to get, they gotta make some changes because the ratings are so poor that can't put up with it anymore. It's costing money and these guys aren't working for free now play this NBC hit piece on Trump and the Russians. All right. This is from yesterday, I believe And I want to, where's the pro-Trump bias on this? Tonight, mounting pressure on President-elect Donald Trump to call out Russian hacking in the U.S. election after President Obama called on his successor to take a hard look at what went wrong. One way I do believe that... I do believe... The president elect can approach this that would be unifying is to say that we welcome a bipartisan independent

20:40 process. But just moments after the president's press conference, one of Trump's top advisors digging in not disputing Russia's at fault but instead pointing the finger at Hillary Clinton. This wouldn't have happened if Hillary Clinton didn't have a secret server In fact it was one of Clinton's top advisors emails that was hacked and exposed Clinton's secret server. Trump wang in on Twitter today, again pointing to the DNC hack ignoring Putin whom he has consistently seemed to excuse are we talking about the same cyber attack where it was revealed the head of the DNC illegally gave Hillary the questions to the debate

21:16 That, a reference to one hacked email which showed Clinton may have been tipped off about at least one debate question. Mr Trump likely concerned the hacking charges could undercut his victory has consistently balked at the idea that Russia is to blame. If you don't catch him in the act your not going to catch him they have no idea if it's Russia or China or somebody it could be somebody sitting in a bed someplace and as a candidate even seem to encourage Russia to hack Clinton during his last news conference in July. But it would be interesting to see, I will tell you this Russia if you're listening I hope you are able to find the 30,000 emails that are missing

21:56 I think you will probably be rewarded mightily by our press. So, will his tone change? Tonight a top transition official... No, look, I'm in agreement with you. I'm just telling you what the... I'm just pointing it out as an example. Now there's two things that I want to bitch about before we get into my fake news clips which we can stretch probably until the end of this show. Well hold on. Just had to mix it. By the way, in that clip two things I liked hearing one secret server that was new Secret server. I like it and Putin

22:34 Putin, Putin. So a couple of things I want to point out one is this they keep playing the same old thing and I was listening to Trump's... If you listen to his whole hours when they play him on Fox and elsewhere where he goes like he went to Pennsylvania then went to Mobile Alabama and these talks for an hour 15 his talks used to kind of peek at it about 45 minutes now he goes a solid hour pretty much ad lib. It's the same material I compared the two speeches, there are a couple of new things he adds once in awhile but he is up to talking. I think it is very charming nobody else has ever been able to do anything like this. Obama did a thank you tour except that was more like

23:18 like, worship me tour kind of. Yeah it was and it was prompted...it was teleprompted I believe. Well anyway Trump's is teleprompted at the beginning too? No its not. Yes it is he just goes off on tangents but it's definitely...no no these big long speeches there's no prompting. I watched Pennsylvania! He had two teleprompters. I didn't push back into your prompter there. Yeah okay believe me. But anyway he goes off on this long speech it's very charming And in a very awkward way, because he says all kinds of crazy stuff that's got nothing to do with anything. He's just joking around!

23:57 There's the fears that this most dishonest people in the world and he points at them, and they all boo At the all at the reporters now And it's pretty much the same that he's done before you just like the same He likes to be up in front of a lot of people. He'd been talking his right That's where I've always believed. He's closer to Mussolini than anybody else Okay because he does the Mussolini looks he's got a lot of muscle yeah, and So there's two things that one is this, you know Russia if you're listening and he does that spiel they're all the networks are playing that over and over again as though he isn't actually encouraging it even though if you saw it in context. It was kind of joke joking around as usual yeah but the thing that really gets me at every one of these networks and every one of these news reports when they mention Hitler or Hitler when I mentioned Putin that's a good

24:47 Putin yeah when he when they mentioned Putin and they go to a b-roll it's always Putin walking through these huge gold doors Yeah, with the guys opening the door for him. Yeah, there's a couple of stooges opening this Massive these massive old doors They must be 40 feet high and then comes in comes Putin And they all show this same clip yeah of Putin coming through these gold doors. This is propaganda! Yes it is, this totally propaganda It's unbelievable propaganda as though every time he goes from groomed to where he goes into the bathroom there are gold doors. Oh hold on, Gold Doors! People should be on the lookout for the GOLD DOORS Okay my fake news okay I got two items one happens to involve Politico which has been discussed there

25:38 This is with Sean Spicer who's at a Politico event and he decides to- on the news shows a lot recently, and you sent me a note one of the few ones. And you were certain I agree that this is probably going to be the new administration's spokeshole for The White House? I think he's gonna be the spokesholder and I think it's the reason we're seeing him so much because I never saw him a month ago. I don't know who he was. I think this is trial by fire. He's pretty good! He's not bad and he's getting a little better. I think he is doing the right thing, is doing it the right way. But he's so traditional you know? It's very traditional kind of spokeshole guy. Well people talked about they're going to put Gilfoyle at one point. Oh no! What happened to Katrina Pearson? The little multiculti girl she was good

26:29 She was discussed and so was Ann Coulter. This is bullcrap, this guy's the guy I mean i'll be surprised if he's not named but here he is at a political event giving them grief over an article they wrote about him And this is a good example of him busting out some fake news You know how many times something shared incorrectly? And on Friday you know excuse me today's Friday two days ago there's a story that a reporter in Politico puts out saying Sean Spicer disinvited Twitter from a tech meeting. Now first of all, I'd love to say have the power to disinvite someone from a meeting with the president-elect

27:07 But I don't. And they were never invited, and I was never asked by Politico whether that happened. And yet I can't put that story back in the bottle and say... Once it's out there its out there. That is what I think is unfortunate, the attempt to quickly put up headlines and be provocative is not good journalism Understood. Yeah, well wait until I... Wait till you hear from the journalists themselves they disagree with you sir vehemently Now we go to one that's a this is a New York Daily News bust. This is of the New York Daily News Yeah, CBS Sports and one other outlet are busted with this anecdotal Story about something that happened again involving Trump most fake news is about Trump and it's fake That's the kind of irony of this whole thing is about you know does blast Trump with some fake news? This is a really good story. This is Roger Staubach

28:07 Yes. But it's very good, but boy do they have spirit more than anybody. It is beautiful typical Trump Stahlbach was interviewed by a writer for the New York Daily News Here's the headline stahl back to Donald Trump army Navy football players deserve your respect not your insults So in this three-page article I'm looking for the right

28:45 I've known Staubach for a long time. Yeah, I don't know if he's ever insulted anyone Other than with the victory in the football field and just so the audience knows I mean this guy Naval Academy Heisman Trophy winner served the Navy in Vietnam Quarterback for the Dallas Cowboys won two Super Bowls MVP of one of them I mean he is he's about as American as they get Well, the one quote in here Tucker says service football from Staubach is extremely respectable and very competitive. They've won some big games they're not in the top ten but it's still good football I really enjoy watching service football so I called Staubach today a very successful real estate businessman in Dallas Texas and I read him that headline I said Roger did you say that? And here's what he said That is far from the truth

29:34 First of all, I don't think Trump said anything bad. He had a lot of good things to say I know the writer wanted to get into the anti-trump thing and I wasn't going to go there A story like this is dishonest he did not insult Navy meaning Trump I did not come close to insulting him meaning Trump That's why I don't even like to talk to reporters bill But the cats out of the bag I mean this thing is all over the internet. It's at CBS sports dot com NFL dot-com The headline in CBS Sports is this Stabat goes to Trump over army Navy game insult Now, I don't know much about sports but sounds like some fake news to me

30:20 It sounds like fake news and it comes from the New York Daily News and CBS Sports. These are big corporate names, these are not little bloggers this is not Breitbart. Yeah. These are big boys and they're doing the fake news that's where it comes from we have to be aware of this. It's the real fake news which is such a dichotomy in terms... Okay then hmm let me see well while we're on it I'll also do my fake new story I have one I'm happy because we finally had some follow-up. Now, I tried to find the original on YouTube which was...I couldn't find it and The reason why will be told in the second clip here first let's see if you can hear this a short clip That is impossible to hear that is the Aleppo Twitter girl the seven year old who was verified on Twitter

31:19 Who I expected to be killed. She's worried a sixies gonna get killed, she said so. Yes she is on deck and here is the report Syrian girl Banna al-Abed and her mother Fatima have captured the attention of hundreds of thousands people around the world via Twitter as they post about their dire circumstances in the shrinking rebel held area of eastern Aleppo And now they hope to capture the attention of first lady Michelle Obama In a recent video message sent to NBC News, Fatima says in the video, I talk to you as a mother. I implore you to help us because we are so afraid."

31:56 Serious President Bashar Assad has said that the Twitter account is propaganda promoted by terrorists and their supporters. Evacuations of citizens in Aleppo began Tuesday, but the operation has stalled since pro-government militia opened fire on transport buses." So I found it rather interesting that if you are there in Aleppo and you're sending out You know, tweets and you're doing videos that you don't put it on YouTube but know you send it directly to NBC. Makes nothing but sense." I like the way they said that the evacuation was stalled because of pro-government forces shooting at the buses. Yeah, don't you love it? This is nuts! It doesn't make any sense... But that's what they report as unbelievable. I know, I know. This is just lies feeding American public lies. Well here's how rationalized

32:49 Here I got an intermediary. Play this, this was a slip of the tongue it wasn't meant to be said this way but Dick Cheney was at some of the Brookings or something and he's there with some other blah with uh... Oh yeah! Yeah I saw that. Panetta. Yeah Panetta and it was Barbara Starr who was interviewing him. They're talking about this in that. So here is what Cheney says This is the Cheney clip The US military and reassert our responsibilities and our leadership role in the world that's important both to our allies but it's also important to our adversaries like Mr. Trump and the Russians. Our adversaries, like Mr. Trump and the Russians? Nice! Unbelievable! I know it was a slip of the tongue but it was what he really thought. The truth always wants to come out

33:42 All right. So we had the Washington Post started off this whole CIA says thing with anonymous sources and I think you saw the guy on Twitter who you got a bunch of guys on Twitter, don't you? You know this kind of guy yeah that's exactly the voice exactly and You know, they're saying like well you know FBI and CIA they agree with each other now. You have to prove that there's a... No wait a minute! There was again it was anonymous sources who say that or some internal memo that we have no copy of. And nobody wants us to show it to us and I went through the press release. The CIA does press releases they have a whole bunch of them yeah and I just say go look at the list where is the list on the CIA press release telling us this? Yeah

34:35 No, it's not there because it is not there. Now on the NPR morning edition he had two journalists both from The Washington Post who talked about their use of these anonymous sources they both worked on the story and why they feel A, it is okay. B, they feel that is well they actually feels the way forward anonymous sources within the government is great for reporting here is one of these ladies names hold on a second their names kind of want to get them

35:11 Well, you're looking up to her names. I do want to mention that it seems to me odd that there people say secret memo secret if its secret and your revealing it yeah There's issues with that Yeah, I don't see anybody here holding a hearing well because its not secret there is no memo this is bull crap have a listen to these two reporters And we will discuss as we go along. Three short clips. He was responding to our reporting which went all this past weekend and into this week in which... Does this woman sound like Fozzie Bear or is it just me?

35:48 A little bit. Waka waka waka! ...went all this past weekend and into this week in which we were trying to stand up the story that the CIA... I've never heard, we were trying to stand up the story? I've never heard of this term is another publisher? I've never heared either but the Fonzie Bear thing has ruined this clip for me. I know it's bad She has the perfect voice for print trying to stand up the story that the CIA has concluded Russia not only intervened in the US election, but intervene with a motive and the motive was to elect Donald Trump. I have spent the last several days chasing every source I Have at the CIA and the director of national intelligence on Capitol Hill in the White House from the Pentagon everywhere and

36:37 Got someone who agreed to speak to me at length and agreed to be identified as a US official This was someone in a position to know who would only agreed to be identified by that title So that was carefully negotiated carefully how you would refer to the source Absolutely, you try to give the listener as much information as you can in an ideal world. You would say this is hypothetical not who this was but you would say for example current senior CIA official with direct access to the intelligence. As much as you negotiate, as much information... Because that helps the listener weigh how much credibility to give it yeah I know who that person is but The more information you give the narrower or the circle becomes in terms of that person being exposed and if I have agreed To protect that person's identity You have to do it okay so there you go That's how the negotiation takes place But now you of course have to wonder

37:33 Hold on. If this information...I'm just gonna take a step way back as you present this and ask questions that are obvious to me, if the president is all jacked up about this and the CIA, and the FBI, and all the other intelligence agencies are all jacked up about this. How come she has to go negotiate with one stooge who is the only guy who even talk about it? And it has to be completely off their record if they're jacked up about this why don't they just bring it out officially? It seems to be the way forward... This question is answered I think in the third clip

38:15 Of course, you always have to wonder are these sources...do they have a motive? Are they telling the truth etc.? Basically all national security officials refuse to speak with their name attached to it. That's their rule not ours. National Security reporters tend to be senior reporters that been around a long time They're pretty good at judging the character of somebody that they actually quote without their name. And that's how we do that business, it would not happen without it because they're really not supposed to be talking to us They could be fired. I mean, they could be fired. Just to give a little bit of insight into that the people who are agreeing to speak to somebody like Dana or me are people who have security clearances. To keep the clearance they're regularly polygraphed and one of the questions that is routinely asked is have you had any unauthorized contact with the media?

39:06 These people are risking their jobs, their pensions to speak to us. So they have to take a polygraph? They have spoken to you in some cases they might have to try and lie and hope that the polygraph doesn't pick it up? Yes but also there's an unofficial... Stop right there everybody! Stop! Does this make any sense?! Well let me ask you this considering the rather large amount of anonymous sources in this past election cycle year-and-a-half Are these polygraphs yearly? Are they annually, because how can you pass the polygraph if you're telling me all these people are just lying and I said no. No, I haven't had any unauthorized connections with the press and then they passed the test well i mean that would be a very high end field guy perhaps from the CIA or something which is not the guy who's going to be talking to these reporters anyway but they still have their clearance and they have to take the test now

40:05 So we have to make the logical assumption that they were told to go talk to these...go told a leak. It was authorized, that's the only way you can get around that question on the call? Yes, thank you and she says- But why again then let's bring it back to the meta look which is why authorize somebody to leak some information when if it's true you would just come out and say it Exactly. And I think the conclusion is correct that if they are saying, oh no this uh...this is not authorized and they have to do a polygraph and they ask the question did you have unauthorized contact with the press? And they say No! They would pass because it was authorized Thank You Thank you, John.

41:06 forever, forever. But in a less formal way. It says bullshit! Crap! I knew you would like that they were excuse me They would rather use us the trustworthy media to do their bidding for them That's what she say that is a bold-faced lie And besides Obama keeps going up on a podium and send making these illusions about the Russians being bad guys We'll get to that in a second all right last clip

41:56 And of course you gotta wonder, well isn't it possible that maybe these anonymous sources, you know maybe they would be sent there to lie to you? I mean how can you tell? Do you blame the people you are writing for and reporting for trusting stories less if they're only anonymous sources there. Should they trust them less I think it's a reasonable question to ask. I would push back and say, if anything the reverse because if I am using an anonymous source...I have given my word that I will not reveal their identity. No, we'll trust you. But I'm asking you the listener to trust me that I have done everything in my power to make sure this person is who they say they are, that they have access to the information and also to weigh what's their motive. But Donna Preece couldn't they have an agenda that you or your readers might not know about? Not only could they, but often do. They might want to be making one agency look bad by telling something bad about them. That is true so yes agendas abound

42:55 But I'd like to make another point, which is- Please. ...I do think our industry needs to pay much more attention to this especially right now when the whole media environment is very confusing. I don't think the mainstream media like The Washington Post or even NPR although you're trying to do that today has been transparent enough in how we do our jobs. I don't know how you do that but I'm certainly open to trying. There you go. They believe this, John. They totally believe that they are the trustworthy sources that you have to trust them that they've gone to J-school and you can trust him. To trust in day can weed out all the fake stuff and the agendas and the bull crap is so easy for them to do. Well, apparently it's not easy for him to do when it doesn't sound like they're doing it now. Dull. No, I don't think that was good. Look serious eclipse. Hey, I did pull a couple of clips from President Obama's presser

43:53 Because I found he said some very interesting things. And for you, I pulled out all the pauses to bring it down to an acceptable length. Okay? So the president did like an hour and a half. He did a big speech talking about Russia, talking about cybersecurity in general, about the election... When he started off talking about WikiLeaks and the so-called hack, The way I heard this clip—minute and a half—the way I heard it And I'll tell you what I heard and then you listen with those ears, maybe i'm wrong. He says WikiLeaks already had this information

44:33 We knew they had this information. They were new we knew they were going to release it and then Russia was hacking the information So the president, the way I hear him says they already had this Then Russia started to jump in and started to hack on the same Information And of course they stopped because Obama said hey cut it out man and that Russia went okay That's pretty much what he is saying here I think its worth pointing out The information was already out. It was in the hands of WikiLeaks, so that was going to come out no matter what." Do you hear that? They already had it! He's saying right there they already had it and it was gonna come out no matter what Maybe I'm hearing it wrong No, that's what he said Alright thank you Now the reason why I think it was overlooked is because...I think in context the way he blew past that

45:30 to make it sound as if the Russians had first already given it, here's what I would think. The Russians had already given it to WikiLeaks and they already had it so that was going to come out no matter what but since Wiki, but here's the problem since WikiLeaks was the only one who released it in the first place The Russians weren't releasing it. There was no Russian blog or anything, I guess Guccifer Well the president speaks of cutouts you know they use cut outs That's Guccifer Yeah Cut-outs on the internet We'll listen to his thing It is worth pointing out that

46:05 The information was already out. It was in the hands of WikiLeaks, so that was going to come out no matter what. What I was concerned about in particular was making sure that wasn't compounded by potential hacking that could hamper vote counting affect the actual election process itself and so In early September when I saw President Putin in China I felt that the most effective way to ensure that didn't happen was to talk directly and tell him to cut it out. There were going to be some serious consequences if he didn't. I can just see that conversation, hey man cut it out or you know there'd be some serious consequences like you have to go to bed with no dinner And in fact we did not see

47:01 further tampering of the election process. Oh, but oh thank you Obama yeah thanks Obama he says okay so it wasn't happening he told him to cut it out they stopped done up thanks Obama thanks a lot of us but the leaks through WikiLeaks had already occurred Well, there is really no problem yet. all relevant parties involved in terms of what was taking place. When we had a consensus around what had happened, we announced it not through the White House, not through me but rather through the intelligence

47:50 communities. No, hold on! No! What? He said through the intelligence community's no it was announced through leaks to the press anonymous sources it wasn't announced by the intelligence community I got the press releases of all these agencies there is nothing about any of them this is a bold face lie consensus It's another lie around what had happened we have consensus not evidence consensus John just so you know High confidence consensus. When we had a consensus around what had happened, we announced it not through the White House. Can you imagine? Mr. Curry... We have looked at this case and we feel the consensus is- we don't need evidence but the consensus is that you're guilty! And we're sorry, you're going to jail. Consensus. That's how it works. Announced it not through the White House, not through me but rather through the intelligence communities that actually carried out these investigations and then we allowed YOU

48:48 and the American public to make an assessment by leaking it from anonymous sources as to how to weigh that going into the election. Okay, I don't know if he actually knows how it went down but he believes it went down differently or he's intentionally twisting the truth a bit From this of course The president needed to speak briefly about the danger of fake news and crazy stuff that people were garnishing or garnering from the garnishing. The people are garnering from the emails, of course in there also John Podesta's emails. The truth is that there was nobody here who didn't have some sense of what kind of effect it might have I'm finding it a little curious that everybody suddenly acting surprised

49:36 This looked like it was disadvantaging Hillary Clinton because you guys wrote about it every day. It's your fault! Every single leak, You guys! About every little juicy tidbit of political gossip including John Podesta's risotto recipe. Pizza pizza! I'm sorry can't help myself Then we have... You know, before you go on I still want to make this just for anyone who doesn't understand this part of it. These hacks especially the John Podesta hack in particular was the simplest of simple phishing expeditions where you send somebody a link. This goes back 20 years, this whole idea of having a link that hooks the malware and instead of linking to where you're here read this! Here I love you read this remember that I love you when it's really popular. Hey want to meet tonight?

50:28 You click on something, or in this case is please change your password. So you click on some bogus thing and it clicks into what's your old password? And then as soon as you type it in the bad guy who was doing a keystroke logging or whatever grabs it and then logs in for himself and then steals all your emails that's how that works It's very simple but it's very low-end This is not like high end Russian hacking It's something you would definitely do if you wanted to pin it on somebody you could say oh well they did that That would be simple. No proof because they can't produce any proof it was anything other than a 400 pound guy in his basement or whatever Trump liked to demean it with but uh and that's, it's that the pedestrian stuff... The other one I think was the same, it was obviously some similar thing that happened or it was that inside job guy who got shot in the back of the head? Seth Rich

51:19 Seth Risch, and it's probably in fact there's a lot of indications that hit was him. Yes In fact is no way that any of these campaigns don't have operatives in the other campaigns That's what we talked about on the last show at the DCCC Yeah And if this just the way these guys operate and the Republicans who I blame for all this Because they're the ones who would be with the most benefit They would benefit the most and they don't care if the Russians take their blame or not Because it's the Democrats accusing, not them. And then of course this whole thing about the RNC was hacked and that was a small story that lasted for awhile until Rance Pribis went on one of these shows the other day like last week and said we were never hacked!

52:02 They said, well why were the FBI in your office? We brought the FBI in, Priebus says to make sure that we weren't hacked and we weren't. So that nonsense of the Russians hacked both sides and only released one side is bullcrap! I just don't see the Russians being there... I think they just let things go their own way. The Russians do not need any of this work. This story will live on in infamy as the election cycle the Russians hacked. There's nothing that, you know... To use the phrase You can't put the toothpaste back in tube And especially when you hear the president saying Oh we are going to respond to Russia's evil doings With respect to response Okay My principal goal leading up to the election Didn't he say it was gonna call him out?

52:52 He's gonna name and shame wasn't that the whole idea? I remember that yeah, name and we're gonna call you out Russia was making sure that The election itself went off without a hitch That it was not tarnished and that it did not feed any sense in the public that somehow Tampering had taken place with the actual process of voting. Okay So he's saying really it was no difference. You know, the overall irony to me if I'm going to be totally cynical about the whole thing because when they did their recount you know a couple of them that got through there was Trump picked up 150 votes more yeah now is that maybe then the Obama administration actually did put just clamp down on any possibility of the election votes actually being rigged

53:47 And that's what could, that's actually what cost Hillary the election? Is they wouldn't let it get rigged. Yeah! Hey thanks Obama! We accomplished that yeah we accomplished it That does not mean that we are not going to respond Oh okay It simply meant that we had a set of priorities leading up to the election Okay That were of the utmost importance He was busy is what he was saying I was busy now I'm gonna do something about it Our goal continues to be to send a clear message to Russia or others not to do this to us because we can do stuff to you. Oh, we can do stuff to you! We can do stuff! Hey man, you want me to do some stuff to you? But it is also important for us to do that in a thoughtful methodical way Some of it we do publicly Okay Some of it

54:39 we will do in a way that they know but not everybody will and I know that there have been folks out there who suggest somehow that if we went out there made big announcements and bumped our chests about a bunch of stuff, that somehow that would potentially spook the Russians. But keep in mind that we already have enormous numbers of sanctions against the Russians the relationship between us and Russia has deteriorated sadly. Yeah, thanks to you! Yeah in the past few years there's your legacy. It's deteriorated sadly significantly over the last several years. Thank you And so how we approach an appropriate response that

55:22 increases costs for them for behavior like this in the future but does not create problems for us is something that's worth taking the time to think through and figure out. And that's exactly what we've done, so at a point in time where we've taken certain actions that we can divulge publicly, we will do so there are times where the message will go-will be directly received by the Russians and not publicized. Why Not? I don't like that. And here's the, here's the...I think they'd like to blame the Russians and I think there is a history and I think the Russians are just coasting because they can make them think that all this makes them seem more powerful than they are. We've kind of forget where it stems from and I think this is what everybody, all the diplomats in Washington still think about

56:10 Because this stands for the 2011 Hillary Clinton meddling, play this Clinton Putin 2011. This is when they meddled in the Russian elections Does it make sense that Vladimir Putin would have a role? I think we have to go back to 2011. In the fall of 2011, there were mass demonstrations in Moscow protesting falsified elections and protesting Vladimir Putin's announcement that he was coming back to the Kremlin. He directly accused Hillary Clinton at that point of paying the demonstrators to go onto the streets in Moscow. So, he apparently—and his colleagues in the Kremlin believed that there was U.S. interference in 2011 in the election and therefore it is fair game.

56:52 to interfere in the U.S. election because that's, you know what can big countries do? Can something like this it's a big government like all governments are can something like this happen without his knowledge or approval I think he must have known on some level that this was happening i mean hackers couldn't just have done this freelance without at least having a sense that this was permitted whether he personally directed it i think that's much more difficult to say i haven't seen the evidence none of us have we've had Yeah, none of us have seen any evidence of anything. I did find a clip that talks about the one piece of evidence that is actually the genesis for blaming this on the Russians. There is a piece of evidence that is well it's circumstantial at best but its real evidence and Julian Assange talked about it...I want to play this

57:42 This is, according to them what the entire thesis of Russian hacking is based on. It's based on the conversion of some of these documents and emails. Now in the middle we have something which is a publication by other media organizations of information purportedly from the DNC and it seems to be the case So that's a series of word documents and PDFs published by The Hill, by Gawker, by the Smoking Gun. This is a completely separate batch of documents compared to the 20 000 pristine emails that we had released In this batch of documents released by these other media organizations there are claims in the metadata

58:39 someone's done a document to PDF conversion and the in some cases the documents, the language of their computer that was used for that conversion I was Russian. Okay so that's the circumstantial evidence that some Russian was involved or someone who wanted to make it look like a Russian was involved with these other media organizations That's not the case for the material that we released. So, that is an interesting little tidbit... ...that the conversion from Word doc or PDFs... ...that there were some Russian characters in the file that were translated along with them meaning someone had used a Russian version

59:29 Well, it was in the metadata of a lot of these things especially Adobe products but also in Microsoft price there will be like your name. Yeah yeah yeah. The version of the software what language you're using all that stuff will be there very clearly laid out It wasn't like anything left over is just in there And you always have to go into metadata, the same thing with JPEGs. There's a lot of information that you could stick into the metadata... Adam Brett Yeah and also the EXIF information sometimes with location. Dr. David Eagleman All of it there's a lot of stuff. In fact some of it tell you that the focal length of the lens and you know... Adam Brett Yeah your flash yeah all that stuff but one person who was very disappointed the president is not immediately going in bombing Russia

1:00:13 appeared on ABC because, let's be honest she can't go on CNN anymore. That is the lying sack known as Donna Brazile who of course her emails were also published and it showed that she had given not one but two questions to the Clinton campaign that were coming up in a debate so she is an dishonest person, dishonest! and she goes on ABC with Martha Raddatz, just like it never happened. She's a victim of course... Look I think the president is right to call for a full investigation every federal agency involved should put everything on the table and the Democratic Party will put everything on the table

1:00:53 came after us daily, hourly. And there were times when we thought they would penetrate us and we would have another breach but uh... we had a great time- You think the president didn't know they were continuing? you said they were continuing When I saw the President i was a little disappointed that We were under constant attack. We never felt comfortable, we didn't know what was coming next and you know this is not just about computers, this is harassment of individuals, it's a harassment about candidates, harassment about donors, we had stolen information personal information people were personally harassed. So are you disappointed in the president's response?

1:01:34 She said we had she said we had stolen information. She didn't say we had information stolen from us Good catch. We had stolen information, we were fencing... Are you disappointed in the president's response? I am disappointed that we went through this process The country went through this process But are you disappointed in his response? You know Martha, I don't personally- This was- We were attacked by a foreign adversary and I think it is the responsibility of the government to help individual citizens as well as institutions non profits corporations

1:02:10 Thanks, Obama. Yeah sure yeah you need to be protected. You cheater! Cheat! She's a cheater! NBC had, they were playing a lot of these different segments and they did leave one thing. Obama's letting it rip against Russia little commentary which I thought was completely uncalled for and incredibly insulting and you wonder why we have such mediocre relations with Russia when you have something like this is as NBC final Obama lets it rip clip They are a smaller country. They are a weaker country their economy Yeah, doesn't produce anything that anybody wants to buy this is a low point in you Oh man they cut off the best part oh shoot was the best part um see if I have it

1:03:01 Yeah, I have it. Hold on hold on then and then i'll go back to your clip they cut off a really good part of that just as I told Russia to stop it And indicated there will be consequences when they do it the Chinese Have in the past engaged in yes Cyber attacks cyber directed at our companies to steal trade secrets and proprietary technology and I had to have the same conversation with Prime Minister, or with President Xi. Yeah he said cut it out Xi, Chi, whatever your name is prime minister president cut it out man and what we've seen is some evidence you know they stood but they didn't really stop that they have reduced but not completely eliminated these activities partly because they can use cutouts one of the problems with the internet and cyber issues is there's not always a return address by the time you catch up to

1:03:53 attributing what happened to a particular government. It's not in here, damn it! Okay what he said was... I will finish his statement based on your clip. Damn i'm sorry I thought it was in this one where is it again? It is NBC Obama lets it rip okay because they cut it out. They are smaller country they are weaker country their economy doesn't produce anything that anybody wants to buy and he says except oil gas and some arms Yeah, well that's what we do. I know it was ludicrous. You mean they're a competitor to us is what you're saying? Oil gas and some arms yeah that's our GDP

1:04:34 Yeah, no that was ironic. It was a very funny comment you're right I'll say oh well That's why they cut it out this is NBC They're very slanted yeah You know you don't have bunch of guys sitting there watching the news and then delivering punchlines They do that on purpose. I got a clip that explains the president's use of ISIL instead of ISIS Oh, okay. Yeah I was waiting for this explanation and this comes from that new guy who apparently has been on Fox a lot Sebastian Gorka He seems to be here doing you know he had Gorka showing up a lot yeah So we gotta keep our eye on him for multiple reasons, but I did like his explanation of why the president uses ISIL and not ISIS.

1:05:27 Do you agree with that assessment? No, because I live in the real world Sean. It's a catastrophe Remember the red lines The real reason he calls it ISIL and not ISIS What is it what is the reason The real reason is because he doesn't want to remind people that S stands for Syria And then he drew the red lines again and again and again That makes nothing but sense He doesn't want to remind people it's Islamic State in Iraq and Syria. He wants to be Islamic State in Iraq and the Levant. Please don't mention the s-word. Hey, it is as good as any!

1:06:08 Yeah, it's fine. That guy is just horrible he sounds you know he sounds like I saw an interview with Tom Ford Oh yeah, he's been a designer. Yeah, I've seen it and the guy sounds just like him He's extremely kind of smug that was the interviewer where said every man should be penetrated Anally at least once in his life to know what it's like could be a woman. I swear that's what he said Tom Ford yes Oh God. Yes! Yeah, and that's gonna... now you're going to know what it's like to be a woman try getting pregnant and then you'll know what it's like to be a woman I'm not going there yeah well you should I'm not going there drop it in there nobody's giving me crap hey let me just ask you one question because we have all these uh..you actually brought this up like one day Trump is a nincompoop he's dumb the next day he's genius what he's doing so here's one Hillary Clinton lost

1:07:04 Because the Russians hacked our election. Hillary Clinton won by almost 3 million votes Please pick one either one just pick one Yeah, well you know how they managed that they understood our system so well that they managed to hack the electoral college She hasn't even voted yet I have an electoral but do you know what? I say to that fact-check mate is what I say Oh, that's oh you so you've been yeah. So you actually worked on that gag hell Yeah I stepped on it. You did Yeah, I stepped out back checkmate was my uh That was and you can say I think you could have done a negative Yeah, and you could have done a connective in your discussion so I couldn't have interrupted so easily now That's so hard. I should just mute you that's the way to do it

1:07:51 Yeah, that would work. All right let's hear I got to play this one this is off topic a little bit but there's an electoral college guy and in California now I want you to listen to this carefully uh-huh and try to understand what this is actually what is this about it is the craziest story that I think i've got for this show. This is the weird hillbot thinking electoral college member in California who's trying to get out of his pledge to vote for Hillary. And this is... Now listen. And who is this, John? I'm sorry This is weird hillbot thinking electoral college member of California Constitutional showdown in federal court in San Jose today An electoral college voter from Monterey County asked the judge to allow him to vote his conscience for president NBC Bay Area's Damian Trujillo spoke exclusively with that elector today and joins us live in San Jose to tell us why this man could make history

1:08:51 Yeah, Terry that electoral college vote is on Monday. Vince Kohler is a Democrat and if he does not vote for Hillary Clinton then he faces felony charges in California and up to three years in prison so he came here to federal court hoping to get an injunction to keep him from being arrested Vince Kohler is an electoral voter. Today he stood outside the San Jose federal courthouse with his lawyer after testifying that he should be allowed to vote his conscience in the Electoral College process. So if I am not allowed to vote for someone other than Hillary Clinton, in effect I'm enabling

1:09:28 election of Donald Trump as president and in good conscience I cannot do that. The Democrat instead wants to cross party lines on Monday and vote for a Republican like John Kasich since he knows Clinton can't win but state law prevents that so he came to court Oh No! This cannot be. Now hold on a second, this won't stand what kind of insanity are we talking about here? Yeah he's pledged to vote for Hillary is in California. California went big for Hillary that's where your three million votes comes from yeah and he doesn't want to vote for Hillary because then he's enabling Trump

1:10:10 I'm telling you, this is nuts. This is absolute California bubble insanity at its worst that makes no sense and it's stupid! And why is he even doing this? He's got to hire a lawyer and he's going to do all the stuff so we can vote for John Kasich because otherwise he's enabling Trump? In other words if he does what he supposed to do, he's voting for Trump? Well, the idea is they need to get... It doesn't matter Where they get them from, they need to get 37 electors to vote for someone else. One person... 37 Trump electors? Yeah He's actually making it so they need 38! Well that's nuts That's what I'm trying to express! Yeah, gotcha! That's totally nuts

1:11:00 Well, then let me bring you something from the great state of Texas where we have a turncoat. We have our turncoat elector who's I'm gonna but I'm not going to vote for Trump. I can't do that in good conscience this guy is a fraud And it was Tucker Carlson who gave us the clip. Well here's something new, an anti-Trump Republican elector is facing allegations that he lied in a big way about being a first responder on 9 11 according to report from WFAA television Texas elector Christopher Suprin claimed to be one of the first firemen on the scene at the burning Pentagon on the day of the attacks but investigation discovered Supran wasn't hired as a fireman until October

1:11:45 of 2001, a month later. In any case his fire department didn't even respond to the Pentagon attacks. Well, Superintendent Peer on this program last week to talk about is refusal vote for Trump if you missed it here's part of it. You describe yourself and I think I'm quoting as a moral elector but you're suggesting that people who are voting for Trump in the Electoral College two weeks now were immoral? No I'm saying I'm taking a conscious decision to consider who I am voting for. I don't think Donald Trump meets the test to be qualified to be president Well, despite intense and growing criticism Suprin is standing by his story as improbable as the story now sounds. He claims he was a member of another fire department in Virginia at the time and of course we'll bring you updates on this fascinating story. Oops! Wrong guy they picked the wrong guy they got duped. Well Republicans are ones who got duped somebody got duped

1:12:41 Well, he's on the Republican slate. Yeah you know that Tucker Carlson's dad started Voice of America? I think i knew that yeah...I think he might even been on have been on the broadcast board of governors which by the way is changing uh just talking about fake news and propaganda. No longer will the entire board be appointed, but the president will appoint the CEO of the broadcast board of governors and that will be the only guy who has to be approved and he'll be the guy one person who takes direct orders I guess from the president so it's just going to get easier i would say

1:13:22 None of this is good. No, it's not and then just a couple other things almost as predicted the Washington Post now promoting a plug-in for your browser I knew it was gonna happen! Did you see my retort on Twitter? No, what did you say? I'd rather have a plugin in my browser that fact checks The Washington Post And I'm sure they responded immediately by blocking you I am a mute switch doesn't work anymore. It's a little crackly yeah, so it's very crackly yeah, so you can pick up an extension for Donald Trump's tweets and it will change everything he says into truth And then there's also a new website Snopes4Snopes.com glad that someone started that thing

1:14:13 It's Snopes for Snopes. Oh, that's a great idea! Yeah, snopesforsnopes.com Well start with that Al Gore entry Wait a minute... wait a minute If you go to snopesforsnopes.com Let's see what we get I think you might want to try this let me see yeah Go to snopesforsnopes.com Snopesforsnopes.com Got it? No, I haven't even got my browser up Aw man I wasn't ready. Okay, now i'm gonna do it snopes for snopes Yeah, yeah, I know what it is a snopes or snow and snopes or snopes dot com server not found now the f-o-r Snopes for snopes that's what I got you're not doing it right? Oh, I have nope first Snopes for snopes they didn't get the first s the chat room already is there oh good for them Yeah Well, they've obviously brought this site down because now it's not coming up

1:15:17 Doesn't seem possible well it could be if it's on a 1200 baud modem. I've seen worse All right, well that's too bad. Okay? Well again nothing now will it redirects to no agenda show doc oh wait wait wait I see why I see where hanging I think Once you go actually went to this segment yeah, yeah real happy guys says no agenda Yeah exactly it redirects to our show Well it would have been better if If you had a browser open Now I have a series of more NBC evidence. Wanted to ask you a question, I'm actually stunned by that guy saying that NBC is like apologists for Trump. Well not apologists, pro- no i'll ask you later go ahead we're a little behind I want to get to our first segment do you wanna just thank some people? I will just tease it because our segment is not going to be very long okay tease

1:16:13 Okay, I'm gonna Cynthia McFadden doing is just what I consider to be the horrible report But it's a slamming Trump and his people. President Obama today defended his level of response to Russian hacking aimed at influencing the election Well for the first time appearing to directly point a finger blame in Vladimir Putin The White House blew the whistle on the hack in October without great detail. Today, acknowledging some of what we reported exclusively this week, the president said that at the time he wanted to play the information straight in the midst of a hyper-partisan election. But NBC News has learned some details of secret operations that thwart further Russian meddling. Our chief investigative correspondent Cynthia McFadden has more tonight

1:16:57 NBC News broke the news this week that Russian President Vladimir Putin directed Russia's meddling into the US election. And this afternoon, President Obama all but confirmed it. Not much happens in Russia without Vladimir Putin What he declined to say was whether Hillary Clinton lost because of the Russian meddling I'm going let all political pundits in town have a long discussion about what happened in the election. Officials tell NBC News that the nation's intelligence agencies all agree Donald Trump elected became one of Russia's motives along with undermining confidence in the US election

1:17:36 While President Obama tried to reassure the country today, his administration took appropriate steps to warn Russia off. He has still declined to give specifics about what the U.S did to protect the nation around the election but tonight NBC News can report that at least a half dozen clandestine actions were taken by the US to ensure the integrity of the voting process itself according to a senior intelligence official with direct knowledge of these operations for the first time in American history hundreds of military and intelligence cyber experts who work out of top-secret facilities including underground bunkers monitored real-time intelligence and cyber traffic regarding the election I like the theater of the mind including underground bunkers yes sir Owen what reason for that part of the clip

1:18:29 What are you talking about? Why do they have underground bunkers to do some IP tracking It sounds better. It sounds cooler. Oh, they're in underground Bunker's these guys that's right from why well I have a crackpot command center Let's be honest But it's not an underground bunker not that you know oh I know my people and i have it on good authority from secret documents that you've got no underground bunker. You mean from the officials inside the State Department who wish to remain anonymous because they were not authorized to speak about the intelligence? Right, although they have to take a lie detector test

1:19:14 It's unbelievable. This is unbelievable how bad this report is! That's my favorite part, it's like well you know they have to take a lie detector test but they're good at lying But they don't lie to us No they don't lie to us come on come on come on They don't lie to us Alright you have a part two and three of this I believe Oh yeah let's play part 2 I kept it as the 3-parter for a reason Hold on a second All hands on deck, all hands on deck. All hands into the bunker! A cyber firewall designed to detect and... Wait a firewall? They've got a firewall! Dive dive dive! A cyberfirewall designed to detect and block any Russian cyber warriors from interfering in the American infrastructure Brought to you by Intel

1:20:06 from the US power grid to the nation's communication systems. Let's gravitize this more. Yeah, it sounds great we're all gonna die! US power grid to the nation's communication systems every... What are nations' communications systems? What is our nation's communications systems? Time Warner Cable Spectrum Systems Every vulnerable path was monitored. The senior intelligence official told NBC News, imagine protecting the Rockefeller Center Christmas tree from above and below from the sides now imagine how to protect every one of the 50,000 bulbs on the tree from electromagnetic interference you can do it but it takes extraordinary resources

1:20:48 But last night at a private party with her top supporters, Hillary Clinton suggested Vladimir Putin's vendetta against her did help shape the outcome. This is not just an attack against me and my campaign although that may have added fuel to it this is an attack against our country Something the president acknowledged today as well Our goal continues to be to send a clear message to Russia or others Not to do this to us because we can do stuff to you cut it out cut it out dudes Talking about oh, it's like protecting every light bulb and All you have to do is protect the one cord in the extension cord Yeah unbelievable yeah You're really really surprised

1:21:43 I'm always surprised. Otherwise, I wouldn't be doing this show. Okay? I am flabbergasted by some of this stuff it goes on like this and it's just crazy. Let's do the last clip then. A senior intelligence official tells us the massive US effort should itself signal to the public how seriously the Obama administration... Wait a minute! What massive?! They're telling us nothing How can that be a signal to us if you say well we're not gonna tell you what we're doing but its massive That is just I don't understand what she's saying. A senior intelligence official tells us the massive US effort should itself signal to the public how seriously the Obama administration took the threat,

1:22:24 inside the White House as we heard from him. In other words, they didn't take it seriously at all and now since Hillary didn't win as expected now they're just making stories up to finish off the year. That's right. ...to the public how seriously the Obama administration took the threat inside the White House, as we heard from the president today was that to reveal the details of what was going on would further alarm the public and undermine American confidence in the electoral process. Clester? All right Cynthia thank you and the Russians meantime are trying to hit back at the American claims today We want to get reaction from there from our chief foreign correspondent Richard Engel in Moscow with new developments and a cold meal of words

1:23:08 In Russia the message to Washington today was put up show proof of Moscow's election hacking or shut up. Yeah, BAM yeah Shut up and there is they don't want give us any details because they don't want alarmed a public They don't want it. Yeah, they're gonna alarm the public that we didn't do crap about anything if we even suspected something Wow Yeah, yeah, it's pretty bad well you know luckily We're here We're saving the day. That's right, and with that I'd like to thank you for your courage and say in the morning to you John Cena! Where the C stands for checking the facts so you don't have to. Dvorak!

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1:25:46 I would like to ask you for a deducing for letting my PayPal account go dark and... You've been de-douche'd. Can't stop the de-doucheing once it's out! And due to my relocation from lost wages back to Phoenix after 12 years, I will also need jobs karma Nancy Pelosi jobs and an LGY thank you for your courage Thank you very much sir pool man Tim Jobs jobs jobs and jobs let's vote for jobs You've got some karma. There you go, man! Thank you? I'm gonna play it. Let's play it now because we get killed all the time, but This is Trump's-I think this is Mobile Alabama speech that he just gave like yesterday or the day before Or was it Pennsylvania? But he-I know his mobile for sure Oh, I know exactly what this is Okay, this is just a small clip This is the Trump's jobs jobs jobs clip and I want to play it and then I have a commentary We are going to stand up

1:26:46 for the American worker like nobody has ever stood up for that worker before. Our economic agenda can be summed up in three very beautiful words jobs, jobs, jobs I actually ISO'd that. Jobs, jobs, jobs! I like that. Now... now.. I was thinking about this because Nancy Pelosi's thing is jobs, jobs, jobs and jobs. No she said let's vote for jobs

1:27:28 No, then she says let's vote for jobs. Hold on hold on I think it's jobs jobs She says four jobs? Yes! Jobs, jobs, jobs and jobs. Let's vote for jobs You're right Now...I just want to mention a little writer's trick as a rhetoric trick There's three ways if you wanna do this gagging. Let's get jobs and jobs, which is two. Jobs, jobs and jobs is three. And jobs, jobs, jobs, jobs is four. You would use them in writing or to make points or to get somebody to think one way or the other. You always use these repetitive things. The rule is when you do it twice

1:28:10 That means you're demanding and you don't wanna go on about it. It's very important, I'm getting to the point that you're making a point and you're wrapping it up. If you do it three times that means you're supposed... You're kind of the guy in the middle again like Trump was at the table in the judge's position in the middle where then is also the Trinity one through their father son Holy Ghost. So use three and that's supposed to be the most... That's like oh! And then if you use four like Nancy Pelosi does, that means you're off the rails. You're off the rails and your emotionally so involved in this that you have to go for or even five. And this is a writer's trick. It's kind of a writer's thing. Yeah I don't know why remember learning that college. I love it when you analyze the writers because you know exactly how this works. I love that its great

1:29:06 It's good stuff. Yeah, anyway, so we need here So Pelosi's actually got the most powerful of the group I think because she sounds crazy as crazy Well then we have and then Trump is reasonable That's what's odd about it that people they always give him crap But we also have the the Nancy and Trump together jobs jobs Jobs jobs jobs jobs and jobs let's vote for job but yeah where I'm We need to just use the Pelosi because that's the one that works. I don't want to just use a different jobs karma, because we know this works. Yeah, we can't change that. Paul Matzko, J.D., Politico.

1:29:54 Hi guys, Don here. I need your help my good buddy Joe has a terrible accident while traveling on vacation and broke his leg prognosis is paralyzed from the neck down yikes! I need maximum karma for him and his wonderful wife Michelle who has been mildly hit in the mouth but who knows she's coming around maybe she has other things to do right now Well, I've been a donor since 2012 and Sir Brian destroyer of cones hit me in the mouth my accounting shows And I'm well beyond baronet but I hate that title and I will wait for Baron. Okay Thanks for your help in the great show keep it up all right Maximum Karma here and maximum maximum karma you've got karma We wish Wish our night no his buddy Joe we wish him good luck

1:30:49 And that's all we got for today show 887. We got a coming up We'll see what happens then maybe will pick it up, and then we're on our way to Christmas I do want to mention that I received Package yes a big box from UPS And it said, you know there's all kinds of markings on it. It said this side up live yeast inside like all kinds of stuff on it and you know this side up this and I'm like okay and then as I'm opening it up there's another box inside and whoever packed this up had cut up one of those pool noodles You know those noodles for the pool that you float on

1:31:29 But yeah, they're big. Yeah you cut one up into pieces and use that like as shock absorbing material there's another box inside it says be very careful with opening this and Tina actually said I'm not going to stand near you while you're doing that okay well doesn't feel too heavy so i don't think there's any actual bomb inside cutting it open you know another box inside And then, uh... turns out this was a gag gift. Inside another box was a small sack of safety pins which I guess is the joke because that's uh you know the safety pin is your- Oh! The safety pin is your safe space? Yeah so that was Matthew. So there it was a gag gift! Hope you liked it

1:32:18 Thanks. Yeah, I did he did put in some live yeast he put in some IPAs in there So at least I got something to drink but don't people if you ask me for my address to send something Don't do that. Um, I'm freaked out enough I mean, that's like really dangerous package. I'm one of those snakes that flies out. Boiling. All right. Well hey thank you to our executive producer and our sole executive producer or sole associate executive producer for bringing us some help today definitely need more help if you want to consider doing that to keep the show going we'll have another one on Thursday remember us at Dvorak dot org slash N A

1:32:55 And just like Sir Don, you can do the same. Go out there hit people in the mouth propagate the formula! Our formula is this... We go out we hit people in the mouth Shut up slave! Alrighty now let's finish off what you wanted to do here Well, that was the NBC ludicrous thing. But I do have a couple of things shields PBS by the way, I haven't changed the leaner report because but I'm going to keep it kind

1:33:38 I don't know what happened. Once Gwen quit, or quit she died, sorry. She wanted to quit so bad she just died! I think that she had a great influence on the show. I didn't realize this until she disappeared and died because the show has seriously changed Oh. And I think she was now, look at it and try to analyze it...I think she was a calming influence Now we feel bad that we always made fun of her Call her a hagiographer yes. We do feel bad anyway. But it seems because now it's gone crazy. It's like very anti-trump There's a lot of big dev Poetry readings and what they have these wait a minute well I mean they have this looks my opinion pieces which come on as somebody some nude Nick from God knows where goes on about themselves And I'm gonna apply so I can go on about myself, and it's just like there's this It's just lost that certain element of

1:34:38 I don't know what it was, but she...I would have to say she was responsible because it's not there anymore. That's the only reason I'd say that. But now we have Shields who is not with Brooks today he's with some guy from the National Review. But Shields and these Democrats which is what he supposed to represent in this little debate that they have two to three quarters of the way through the show. He's supposed to be a Democrat, but these today's Democrats hate Russia which is very unusual because they were always influenced by Marxists which were you know supposedly given their orders from from the Kremlin yes he hates Russia and he hates this and they're talking patriotism and all this crazy stuff and I also believe uh that wait what do you mean? They were talking patriotism and all this crazy stuff what do you mean

1:35:27 Well, I mean by crazy stuff for Democrats. Oh, Democrats are not patriotic. Democrats were not Russia haters. Right? Democrats were pro-labor but now the crazy thing is they...I think they're panicked because labor doesn't like the Democrats anymore and they're voting Republican! Yeah And that's what caused Hillary to be in the election, I believe. Yeah So they're completely freaked out so let's listen to some of these rants, these rantings This is Shields and I think the first one it's just, yeah. This is Shields on patriotism in Trump and Russia. Most alarming to me is Donald Trump will become president of states he won the election. Alarming! This is not about who won the election He will become the 45th president on the 20th January It is about whether the sovereignty and self-determination of the United States was compromised by

1:36:17 organized at the highest Russian levels, which means the imprimatur of Mr. Putin, espionage sabotage of the American democratic system and there's an office in this country higher than that a president it's that of Patriot And John McCain is filling that right now. And John McCain is saying these are questions that must be answered, these are questions that demand an answer and the idea as Mitch McConnell, Republican Senate Majority Leader says send it to the Intelligence Committee is just a way of sending it to limbo because we spent 40 million dollars in five years on the intelligence committee investigating torture at Abu Ghraib We have yet to get a report on it

1:37:01 Okay. So once you mentioned McCain, of course especially if you're a Democrat as far as I'm concerned, you've lost all credibility but he goes on about patriotism and all the rest of it in Trump and then he talks about us losing our sovereignty we lost our sovereignty to the WTO yeah We lost our sovereignty to NAFTA there are provisions in those treaties that take our sovereignty away literally And those are all done by Bill Clinton. Bill Clinton has already taken our sovereignty away, but I don't think these Democrats realize that and getting it back is going to be more a problem than people- Oh, I disagree. I think they do understand that they don't want to admit it. Well, they're globalists. Shields is like the rest of them. They're globalist. But here's what I said, It's crazy! You're a globalist? You're not supposed to wants individual sovereignty. That's nationalism

1:37:56 So what is it, so these guys are you know they're completely mind screwed. They got you know their thinking the fuzzy thinking is coming out anyway that's what I'm talking about here We will not get a 9-11 commission but I think John McCain and Armed Services Committee with Jack Reed the Democrat with Lindsey Graham and others and Kim Cain and pretty damn good committee I think you'll get honest hearing we need it The idea that people who are so concerned about a $500,000 contribution to the Clinton Foundation changing and influencing American foreign policy somehow indirectly and incurious about Russia's involvement in sabotaging an American election is just unforgivable to me. I love how he throws out that number like it's just 500 thousand dollars nothing

1:38:45 500 million. Oh, he said 500 million? No no, he said five hundred thousand. He's a five hundred thousand like it's nothing. Well why are you concerned about that is just peanuts. No one is bribeable for $500,000 Yeah and then he goes on to Russia sabotage. It's going way over the deep end here. I'm sorry sabotage does not what any this is now what happened but anyway could know Seb I totally agree and words matter No one's watching this crap anymore, John. No one is watching! We are. To keep people from watching, we're doing it for them. Well Mark getting to what both of you were saying this does leave a cloud of dark cloud hanging over the question of our democracy I mean if another nation unfriendly to put it in the best terms can come and leak and get information then have it leaked at will

1:39:47 What does that say about our system of government? No, I mean it says that we're vulnerable to such attacks and B. That we were manipulated and could be manipulated by Russia. Well, I mean Russia this is not a one-off for Russia. I mean Russia's done it already in Germany and Italy and democracies in Western Europe Yeah, yeah. They the Brexit everything Germany Italy it's all Russia it's all it makes nothing but sense because of course Germany who has a direct pipeline from gas to the North Stream Of course they don't want that from Russia Of course they don't want the Russians buying their cars which is the euro round trip It's very well known That's how the euros flow They sell their cars Russia needs to have Euros to buy the cars Now Germany doesn't want that at all No nor does Russia no just hack away

1:40:36 Stupid morons. And by the way, when we do a Trump bit you gotta do the jingle. He's Trump! He's Trump! The President! Now the Tre- the tre- the president... My mouth today. President Trump today or yesterday tweeted about the Chinese stealing our research drone I wanted to talk about this research drone for a moment, if you don't mind. Okay it's the story that i did pass up Yeah no there is also no clips however... yeah no you said? You had no clip? Oh im sorry but ill make sure that i call you out every time you say it. I wish you would! Alright. I was thinking about just that the other day because we did.. because i was watching too much television to get these clips and everybody saying yeah no! I know okay here we go

1:41:34 This, uh... So the president- the President Elect tweeted, Hey! This is an unprecedented crazy Chinese seizing our research drone. Which in other stories has been called the equivalent of a weather balloon Well, here's the great thing. We have a number of subs under the water guys who listen to this show. In fact we have a rather high percentage I would say of submariners Good. And you'd think that you call them... That, by the way I just have taken aside here that has got to be I think for any person You really have to be something special To be in those submarines for hours on end and under the water It's just a cramped Well let me take it one step further Specifically at least one of our subs under-the-water guys Work specifically with these research drones

1:42:34 In fact, he told me that I would say at risk to himself what he did and what this is about. So first he says no doubt about it if that drone could not have been more than about 100 where they said about five miles but more likely like 150 feet from the drone because that drone is tethered to the USS Jimmy Carter which our guy worked on. In fact, he was one of the operators of said research drone and a diver! And he said this is about one thing and if you have not, you should read the book Blind Man's Bluff Have you heard of this? I'm sure you've heard it. Yeah, I have heard of it but have not read. Okay, Blind Man's Bluff is about these... About the untold story of American submarine espionage

1:43:32 And here's how it works. This initially was written about the USSS Parsh, I think, and the drones go out there tethered and they do a couple of things, but mainly they cut and tap into fiber optic cables. So you can do that remotely. And we've been doing this for 40 years. It's these ships, these submarines have about 30 to 40 spooks on them CIA guys who...and there is continuous data stream and some of them from 40 year ago are still working!

1:44:10 So I was of course fascinated and our guy is talking about this. And then he opened up a little bit more, he says yeah you know we used to do some interesting stuff but do you remember the Kursk? Remember that submarine disaster? the Russian, the Russian submarine. And they said well looks like a torpedo blew up in the tube and then we waited for days and they tried to go down and get they thought maybe some guys would be alive in one compartment of the submarine you do recall that? I vaguely remember that some of this was a while back. Yes Well, apparently our dude named Ben was also involved in an operation where...dude name Ben? Our submariner. An operation where they went to go pick up some bits and pieces from that wreck covertly of course because and I'm just quoting here if anyone had found those bits and pieces it would have

1:45:07 It would have had raised some very nasty stories. And so now I'm very interested, he says okay well you need to look up USS San Francisco HMS Onyx these submarines who have that have had these weird kind of accidents and the accidents are well Of course the Kursk was not a way...I mean that was a very deadly accident. I think the USS San Francisco they said that it ran into something under the water You know if you recall the Kursk There was a conspiracy theory that there was an underwater collision with another submarine. I think the conspiracy theory was a NATO submarine, but here is what's happening and this is a term I had not heard before if you Google the term it's barely Google-able! It's called underhulling

1:45:54 And what happens is you take your sub and you get underneath the Russian sub, about eight feet below it. You use your para... It's called underhulling so you're under the hull. You use your periscope to take pictures and you send out the divers to attach magnetic charges to the hull of the adversary in this case, the Russian sub But the Russians do this too. And they are blowing up subs with this practice." And he says, any guy who's a sub under the water ships at sea, some of them water knows the term under hauling and he says we're doing it and this was no research drone We were definitely spying on the Chinese and today comes out the news which I find interesting China agrees to return our stolen Navy drone. So i'm not quite sure

1:46:50 why they're so easy to give it back. But I question is, the question still remains where they give it back in one piece every time that they've captured one of our devices this has been discussed in one news article. They always return it but it's like been already disassembled and they don't bother reassembling it right? Well this thing is pretty simple all its intended to do is cut and tap into fiber optics I'm sure they know about But I thought it was pretty interesting to learn about Blind Man's Bluff, about the underhulling and how we possibly were responsible for the Kursk disaster. Possibly." Yeah well it adds to the conspiracy

1:47:33 I'm buying it. I'm not saying because I'm thinking this is very true and of course that my final question was, please tell me that you guys are around Antarctica all the time. Yeah, that's the number one place all the subs are in Antarctica. It's called Operation Deep Freeze And I guess we're there to protect the Nazi flying saucers. They always discuss the Bell and the flying saucers, and the secret Nazi flying saucer base in Antarctica because it's so convenient. You don't have to put one in The Andes or someplace that at least you can go down and buy something at a grocery store. You're gonna put it in Antarctica! That just makes nothing but sense. That's where you put it of course, of course. Oh man...

1:48:39 Well, I think so that when as soon as i hear about the cable splicing. I'm always thinking which is doable with fiber not with much difficulty but I'm always reminded remember it was during our era of the show era no agenda era They had this that cable was sliced in the Mediterranean and yes all these countries couldn't get any kind of connections if they had to go route around all over the places to get an internet connection out mm-hmm I've always been suspect whole thing has always been suspect That event so as we now know for 40 years. We've been for 40 years misplacing cables and cows oh Crap you had something about

1:49:24 Was that in your previous clip, the 9-11 commission? Was it something some strange almost like a non sequitur we won't get at 9 11 commission. That's what he said yeah I caught Feinstein on MSNBC I think with Andrea Mitchell. She said something really odd under the heading of, The truth always wants to come out see if you can catch it and I can cite cases of interrogation where information was gotten for example Ali Soufan in the case of the blind sheik this is a while ago but he got enough information so that the blind sheik

1:50:05 that bombed that earlier, not the 9-11 bombing but the one that took place earlier. The World Trade Center in 93 right? Yeah, he pled guilty and is serving a life sentence. Uh huh did you hear what she said No. Okay, I'll play it one more time just listen carefully. Not the 9-11 bombing but the one that took place earlier in 93 right? Yeah that he played... You can't hear it quite there here goes again He got enough information so that the blind sheik uh that bombed that earlier nine not the 9 11 bombing but the one that The 9-11 bombing?! Since when was 9-11 a bombing? Oh!

1:50:47 WTC 7 won't go away! I really doubt that if there was a controlled demolition which you could consider a bombing, that Feinstein would have any knowledge of any such thing. I could be wrong though she's in the Senate Intelligence Committee so you never know what she knows. I'm just pointing it out man. Hey man just point it out. Hey man just pointing out man don't get me harsh my mellow I wish this was done by Democracy Now, but just imagine. Just imagine we're in a moment of global cooling! Everything is cooling and everybody's in it... 99% of all scientists agree

1:51:38 that it's cooling, we're going into a new ice age. And everybody agrees, everybody agrees that 99% of all the scientists agree like they used to in 1977 on global cooling. So let's play this and at the end you can imagine Amy Goodman coming out and says oh this is more evidence! More evidence of global cooling! Yes I found it... sorry 500 crashes on Minnesota roads. Now that the snow has stopped, a new danger is moving in... extreme cold! In Minnetonka, Minnesota Becky Osley is preparing for temperatures that feel like 40 degrees below zero So what precautions do you take? Well getting gas I have 1 quarter tank right now and so we know the closer you are to half-a-tank of gas the more likely it is not going to freeze with the cold temperatures that are coming

1:52:30 In many parts of the country, today's high temperatures aren't much warmer than last night's frigid lows. In Tulsa Oklahoma fire officials warned against unsafe heating after a fire killed an elderly woman. Turned all the gas burners on and they set a fan next to it to blow that heat into the living room On the west coast heavy rain caused mudslides in the Los Angeles area people there are still struggling to clean up Just as the holiday rush is getting underway, more than 2,000 flights were either canceled or delayed Saturday morning across the country. Here in Minneapolis they're expecting their coldest temperatures in December in more than 16 years! The temperature is expected to drop to more than 20 degrees below zero. Michelle?

1:53:16 Thank you, Jamie Ucas. Well despite the weather retailers say today could turn out to be the busiest shopping day of the holiday season Well I want to say something we had a rare complete inversion yesterday in Austin 72 degrees at 4 p.m Yeah. And we were warned that a cold front was coming in, Tina and I went out to get you know couple of groceries we just walked around the corner We came back and all of a sudden the two front hit And it was actually a little scary. There were shit flying off of balconies, I mean we have a lot of construction here...I was worried one of the cranes might come down and the wind was unbelievable just whipping through the states and this morning 27! We went from 72 degrees to 27! Crack a few windshields Global cooling which is what i've always asserted is really hot whenever whatever the government says just think the other way

1:54:15 Although, man your guy in California Jerry Brown is off the rails. This is not news. So he, it's not news but I do have a clip of him going off the rails which is always comedic We have the laws we have the tools of enforcement and we have the political will and we will set the stage we'll set the example and whatever Washington thinks they're doing California is the future so a lot of people say what the hell are you doing Brown? You're not a country well Judged by measures of gross domestic product, of over 2.2 trillion we're the fifth or sixth largest economy in the world! Yeah and you have one of the largest debts in the world In the world

1:55:06 And we got a lot of firepower. We've got the scientists, we've got the universities, we have the national labs and we have the political clout and sophistication for the battle. And we will persevere! Have no doubt about that. We will persevere! Okay... We should have the Dead Kennedys clip right there Yeah usually you have that Well I do look at California Uber all this clip it's still gotta be around I have the song, well you have a clip yeah. Well this week? No you don't. I don't know where it is. Okay. Alright never mind What's he talking about?! Well he's talking about the fact that they are going to fight global warming cooling advertising whatever you want to call it and they have the resources to do it no money but they have everything there though Is this just about the law their passing? They're passing a law saying by 20 something all cars must be electric That's right

1:56:02 Just like the Netherlands. I think it's 2020 even or 2026 is real actually one of the dates I've noticed this and people should be on the lookout for this, I've noticed a date 2021 oh that's new dropping up a lot Did you see and I thought this was a message? And I tried to work on I tried to figure it out this heroin bust of 750 million dollars which apparently was a, not just one bus but it was... they were showing all the heroin that the DEA, the largest haul ever in Afghanistan. If not the world according to ABC News 20 tons this has got to be a message to somebody I mean because it wasn't just one like oh here are the guys we got it now this was hey we've got all this from Afghanistan recently sometime whatever

1:56:59 And then you see all these, there's also a lot of different heroin stories popping up. Of course now we know that more people die from opioid overdose than from guns in America. More car accidents. But I think still more people die in the hospital from MRSA and other horrible things. Yeah, from being in the hospital. From being in the hospital basically But I don't know what it is yet and maybe one of our producers out there knows, but to me this was a message. I just don't know from who to whom Well, I don't know that we have that many people inside the drug industry That can tell us it'd be nice if we had one Yeah, person. That would be nice. No no I Don't know does it doesn't sound right the whole thing is at this maybe so sure maybe this applies been out of control like their oil supply and they have to Pull some of this stuff off the market to jack up The price is a little bit because the middlemen aren't getting there cut could be

1:57:58 Could be. Because everyone keeps talking about how cheap it is, so maybe it shouldn't be cheap anymore and let's jack it up! Oh little interim ditty I forget these things...I really do and also when you're talking August 2015 who the heck remembers what we did on episode 745? Do you? We started off with a song, a jingle Luckily producer Tim E sent me a clip. Well, he brings me joy He will be railroaded out of the getting ever-getting nominated we shall see You want to put money on that? Yeah, I'll put five bucks on Trump Okay five bucks it is five bucks that he is he What are we going for the Hebrew combination? Oh yeah, but he's in he's the man oh yeah, oh yeah, I think you owe me $5

1:58:52 Uh, indeed. And I love this little ISO. That's you! That's your disdain for my prediction! Yes well you win send it over son. I will I'll send it over with some other stuff that you have been accumulating. Let's talk about... Go ahead! So, I said i have a series of clips that we can play before after the bigger break. Okay. Oh hey wait here play this first 50 pound note just came off of a British show. Ah yes War on Cash. I have a couple of these. Where is it?

1:59:31 Yeah, I think I saw the same bit only I pulled the clip of the expert they brought in And I'll play that because he gave little detail as to what other fake ideas there were to remove cash from the British society. Is this the beginning of the end for The Fifty? Well, we don't really know. As you said they didn't print any last year but they say there are reasons for that They haven't put them into the sequence of conversion to polymer which of course we've got the fiver now The £10 in 2018 and the £20 in 2020 No mention of

2:00:30 So that's another sort of little hint. And, of course they're quite hard to get. Cash machines generally don't dispense them a few do but very rarely you can of course go into a bank and get them I got these fine examples yesterday from a bank just down the road and they gave me them without any problem But then there is question what would you with them? Do shops take them And I think they are becoming rarer and so the suggestion is they may be on that slow path towards disappearing But we touched on some of the reasons why the banks might want to phase them out this idea of criminal activity, and they probably have a point don't they? Yes indeed. They are the biggest store of value certainly in England. In Scotland and Northern Ireland, the banks there actually issue £100 notes. So yes they do suspect that they are used as an easily transportable store of value but of course they're much smaller than for example the 500 euro note worth nearly 10 times as much

2:01:20 That's being phased out from 2018. And of course, we saw in India recently – I think you reported the 1,500 rupee notes which aren't actually that high value but they were phased out immediately and that was to stop people – and it is not just big criminal activities like buying drugs or moving money around. It is also the smaller stuff like paying a builder or a work person for example in 50s because they don't want to put their money through books. that kind of thing that banks get worried about. No, I don't think the banks are worried at all at all in fact the banks love the cash because they get to launder it! I can't believe that they're saying the banks do not want that although they are complicit of course in the ultimate goal of having no cash money. Oh man... What's going to happen to money laundering when this goes on? Well I've always perceived this as just a tax grab

2:02:13 Even small change, I mean the small transactions which includes fivers and dollars and quarters and nickels is a three trillion dollar business. In other words three trillion dollars of small...I did a story on this so I got that number in my head. Three trillion dollars of small cash transactions take place every year in the United States if you could tax that And even 10% I mean that's a lot of money. Well, yeah of course but you can yes... You can then tax things automatically or taxing it because it came in your bank account there's control! You can freeze the bank account and a lot of things can happen

2:02:55 Yeah, all bad. And of course this is being touted by the and we have this now in Australia we have it in India We have it in the UK were talking about in the US they're talking about well all over EU with a 500 euro pound note so cash is disappearing that we have Tim Cook saying ha ha ha we're going to kill cash he loves it and I will say if all the digital money I think Apple is probably Apple pay is probably the best but that's not the point and now don't have an apple device What am I supposed to do? I get screwed because i don't use Apple. Why should one company be dominating anything like that? Hey man! It should be a government thing if anything Oh yeah, yeah, I want... I want anyone controlling my cash

2:03:42 Anyone, not the government or Apple. No. Cash is king and so of course now everyone's saying oh Bitcoin it'll be the new store value I just don't see it then there's too inconvenient thinking Is that India will really push bitcoin off the chart now? And I'm just not seeing and I'm watching but I don't see it yet It's like gonna happen. I am doubtful as well Doubtful well I did catch while we're on the topic I did catch a, um... I can't say it's native ad, but I think it is native advertising for credit cards. But also has all these sub... There's a lot of subtext involved again NBC and this is about just kind of a rundown of the benefits of credit card usage. This will be my Dvorak tip for the day because there's a lot of good information in here but as I've had mixed feelings about running cause I believed that was a native ad to begin with and then I don't know what the purpose was

2:08:22 This guy, I thought these were very interesting. This guy wrote a book he's a professor and he writes a lot of books. I can't remember his name but if you have the name of the book you can look it up and then get to his name. I think it was Brennan And the book is against democracy. And he writes a bunch of, he writes this book and it's you know I think there's kind of subtext movement that's going on. Democracy sucks! You know? Yeah yeah... Here's your evidence Donald Trump is the president right well that's why we're Republican not a democracy. Yeah so there's that but that's not really discussed much but what they do

2:08:59 They did a lot of market research on the public and how they vote, what they vote about and why they vote. And all the rest of it. I thought a lot of it was interesting. Let's play... The first one is against democracy. This clip 1 is on ignorance. To cast a sensible vote? Yeah that's right. We've been doing studies of voter behavior and voter knowledge for over 65 years now. And what's interesting is how little they know has remained constant. Sixty-five years ago, people knew hardly anything. Now they know hardly anything even though we have smartphones that contain all the world's information at our fingertips and use them to look at pictures of cats and argue about meaningless things. Voters hardly do anything.

2:09:41 And, you know, Philip Converse the great political scientist had a nice quote about this where he said the two simplest facts I know about voter knowledge are that like the mean is low and variance is high. So if you were to take sort of the American electorate and give them a quiz of just basic facts most basic questions that would be relevant to an election which is done every 2 years by something called The American National Election Studies What you find is that really the top 25% of voters, they get sort of like a B plus on this quiz. The next kind of middle 50%, they do roughly about the same as chance and the bottom 25% actually do worse than chance. We give them a multiple choice test and they get more than 75% of questions wrong. And that's the electorate, people who actually vote. When we try testing the people who stay home, they know even less.

2:10:25 And none of this would really matter if ignorance didn't make, if political information didn't change how we vote. But as I argue in the book it does in fact change how we vote. There's a little bit of elitist stuff going on there. Yes, for 65 years nothing has really changed but maybe we should rethink the whole thing and let the elitist...the king make the decision why should we be doing this stuff? But I found this next clip actually is with generalization it actually brings into the discussion a little bit about our show In so far as its conclusions are concerned and I thought this was very interesting the effect of information while controlling for that So if you give

2:11:07 Give people a quiz and you ask them who they are, what they know and what they want. And you do this with thousands of people. You can then determine how information affects what people want while controlling for whatever effect who-they-are has on their preferences. What he finds—and this is a surprising result it's not guaranteed by the method—is that in general as people become better informed regardless of their background party or regardless of their background demographics, they tend to move towards one set of policies when they become uninformed they tend to move toward different sets of policies and we can look at the median voter in the US and find that they tend to act as if they're not informed voter. Interestingly, other people like Brian Kaplan and Martin Gillins a few others have done similar kinds of tests using different data sets and they get the same results so I think you can say things like yeah Paul Krugman and i will end up disagreeing on lot of things but in general high information voters are

2:11:55 They're more in favor of immigration than the average voter. They're more in favor of free trade than the average voter, they are in favor of criminal justice reform, they are actually in favor of increasing taxes to offset the deficit rather than reducing taxes. What? The policies that advocate don't really go to a democratic direction, they don't really go on a republican direction, and they don't quite go on a libertarian direction. They're nuanced. Wait a minute! People who are more informed want higher taxes and want more globalism?! Yes, that's what he said. And I believe here's the situation...I believe that what he said is true and we're talking about are the people who are more informed than other people like less informed in other words they're more influenced by mainstream media, the more informed people. They're the ones who read New York Times religiously and they read The Washington Post and they believe it all. And their all in on globalism

2:12:49 The two of us, because neither one of us we like sovereignty. We like lower taxes. Everything he said high and for now I don't believe there are any two people that I know that are more informed than the two of us because for all practical purposes, all we do is monitor news every day. All the time. It's all we do it's all we do so there is nobody that can say well I'm more informed you maybe read a few books and more than we do or you do some no because you have a job you have other things this is our job yes it is oh so we are hyper-informed

2:13:29 And so what happens is you have a bunch of stages. The natural man, who's not well informed—he's just the guy who's a farmer or whatever he doesn't read the New York Times and doesn't care—he is the one that's for nationalism. He's probably a populist. He has all these different elements that make his vote less informed. somewhat informed that you go to the next stage, which is very informed. And for some reason in that group, you become suckered into globalism. You don't like the country. I mean whatever Mark Shields said earlier and it shows bull crap these guys aren't patriots by any means and they're not. They're less patriots or they think we should have open borders and high taxes because of the way you pay for things is by taxing more. Then if you go to hyper, you go one step further that gets reversed and essentially

2:14:15 The hyper-informed are just like the uninformed, and probably the uninformed make the same proper decisions as the hyper informed guys. And that's why democracy works in this in a republic sense Because people in Pennsylvania who aren't hyper-informed, they're normal. And then you have these so called really informed people and they're the smart ones that want higher taxes. There's no logic to wanting higher taxes. I just get the biggest kick out of people that advocate we should have higher taxes. Why?

2:14:51 So, okay. So we can be more fair to everybody else? So they end up...the people that end up voting then they like for the last 65 years or so they've been studying this, they ended making the right decision at the end of the day as I would say. That's interesting. Well along those lines, I've been reading this more and more on The Face Bag and I think when the numbers come out, we will see this is true Because of the fake news and the way the election turned out, I'm seeing the following everywhere on The Bag. Oh yes! No, I've taken two subscriptions to make sure that i'm well informed. I have The Washington Post and The New York Times And the print subscriptions... Print mainly but also digital But subs for New York Times Wall Street Journal are skyrocketing

2:14:15 The hyper-informed are just like the uninformed, and probably the uninformed make the same proper decisions as the hyper informed guys. And that's why democracy works in this in a republic sense Because people in Pennsylvania who aren't hyper-informed, they're normal. And then you have these so called really informed people and they're the smart ones that want higher taxes. There's no logic to wanting higher taxes. I just get the biggest kick out of people that advocate we should have higher taxes. Why?

2:14:51 So, okay. So we can be more fair to everybody else? So they end up...the people that end up voting then they like for the last 65 years or so they've been studying this, they ended making the right decision at the end of the day as I would say. That's interesting. Well along those lines, I've been reading this more and more on The Face Bag and I think when the numbers come out, we will see this is true Because of the fake news and the way the election turned out, I'm seeing the following everywhere on The Bag. Oh yes! No, I've taken two subscriptions to make sure that i'm well informed. I have The Washington Post and The New York Times And the print subscriptions... Print mainly but also digital But subs for New York Times Wall Street Journal are skyrocketing

2:15:41 Because everyone thinks that they are ill-informed and they need to support good journalism, so they're taking out subscriptions for the Times and Washington Post. Yeah. Which is, I mean it's feeding itself the machine is feeding itself as fantastic! Yeah, I was...I know those numbers and that's pretty interesting if that does happen. I'd love to know what the numbers are do you have a...? No, I don't have the numbers exactly but I do know they went up by like 20% or something. And everyone on The Bag is just like oh yeah no and they'll have conversations about what... The New York Times description is extremely expensive you never get your money's worth out of it and you end up dropping it right

2:16:18 Well, I want to inform everybody before we take a break here. Talk briefly about Rex Tillerson who will be our new Secretary of State and he was lampooned last night on Saturday Night Live by... I think if you can dig up the Tillerson clip from the last show, I forgot to move it over. Sure let me see yeah Hit Piece shall we play that? Yeah, this is a hit piece. News about the Tillerson pick over the weekend Andrea good evening Good evening Lester Donald Trump says he wants his Secretary of State to reverse what Trump calls years of misguided foreign policies Hiring him precisely because Tillerson is an outsider with no experience in diplomacy In Rex Tillerson Trump has found someone like himself No government experience A successful businessman whom trump aids praise as trumpian I have tremendous respect for him

2:17:09 world-class player. Born in Wichita Falls, Texas joining Exxon Mobil more than four decades ago from engineer to chairman and CEO now dealing with foreign governments in nearly 50 countries but it's his ties to one country now under the microscope my relationship with Vladimir Putin which dates back almost 15 years now I've known him since 1999 and have a very close relationship with him I don't agree with everything he's doing. Improving the tense relationship with Russia was a Trump campaign promise. Wouldn't it be great if we actually got along with Russia? But tonight critics are pointing to ExxonMobil efforts to fight climate change rules and Tillerson opposition to sanctions on Russia. Cozyness with Vladimir Putin is very alarming and should

2:17:55 should have been eliminated him frankly. Some Republicans critical too after Tillerson received a friendship medal from Putin When he gets the friendship award from a butcher, uh... frankly it's an issue that I think needs to be examined Married with four children, Tillerson is the past president of the Boy Scouts embracing their decision to allow gay scouts and leaders Yes! He wrestled with it, he preyed on it And he ultimately decided that I have to do what's good for the boys His loyalty to scouting shaped his values. We have a duty to this country as citizens, to participate in our government A Texas oil man who if confirmed will test whether his skills as a global business leader can work in the world of diplomacy Andrea Mitchell NBC News Washington

2:18:43 I'm Richard Engel in Moscow, where the Kremlin couldn't be happier with the way Trump's cabinet is shaping up. Especially with Rex Tillerson as potential Secretary of State. Vladimir Milov is a former Russian Minister of Energy. It was absolutely a gift for Putin... Tillerson is best known here for making a deal with an oil giant called Rosneft that sits headquarters over there just over the Moscow River from the Kremlin And analysts say the company is like a cash cow for President Putin and his inner circle. Mikhail Krutihin, an energy analyst says the dividends earned by Rosneft end up in only one place. This is a personal purse or wallet of the Russian president. And that wallet could grow significantly. And Tillerson is at the center of it

2:19:34 ExxonMobil and Russia's Rosneft have an outstanding oil deal in the Arctic, Russia valued at $500 billion. A deal so important after it he was given that Russian Medal of Friendship but the deal is on hold because of US sanctions Obviously the conflict of interest is something that has ridden Mr Tillerson for him. Written on his forehead, written on his forehead. Conflict of interest? Yes! Especially as far as Russia is concerned. 100%. As Secretary of State Tillerson will be able to push for the lifting of the sanctions against Russia something he lobbied for as a CEO Richard Engel NBC News Moscow I was surprised that it was in this report

2:20:17 Uh, it was kind of just mentioned. But I when I was like, Oh, let me go look up this guy first of all he's a distinguished Eagle Scout that's no joke and I know one Eagle scout in my life maybe I've met a couple but we had one when I was in school because I was into Boy Scouts that is not an easy thing to come by distinguish not just Eagle Scout but distinguish Eagle Scout which is like Eagle Scout plus It's outrageous that anyone who I have nothing but the most respect besides the submariners, or Eagle Scouts. This is a big deal!

2:20:54 Eb Tillerson is the president of Boy Scouts of America and here's his quote that he said in 2013 at the national annual meeting, no youth may be denied membership in the Boy Scouts of America on the basis of sexual orientation or preference alone. And everyone can bash him about being a Putin lover and everything And of course everyone has funny jokes about the Boy Scouts obviously ha ha yes all pedophiles sure whatever But you can't deny that one of the main things that the left has against the entire Trump administration Is there a bunch of racist homo haters and that one won't stick with Tillerson?

2:21:34 No, they go to Putin and rat with him. And I watched his whole speech... And it's McCain again! Oh this guy. You know someone criticized within my personal sphere that you guys are always only harp on the left only the left. I said no we hate the two biggest right-wing a-holes McCain and Graham Yeah used to be three of them one of them got ousted finally AOT. So anyway, so I you know that's a good little tidbit to hold in the back of your pocket if you ever get cornered by a bunch of people. I never get cornered but well... You never go out? I know! I stay at home all the time and if you don't want except for I'm gonna be at the big meetup and Beverly Hills next Monday oh yeah we got a big meetup day after Christmas I'll be sending out a note about it probably tomorrow do not on the newsletter you better be

2:22:34 And on Thursday I'll give more details if we need to. I think everyone will know by then. All right, and so... So i go out for that now it's back to this guy. I like this Tillerson. I think he's a gruff character that probably wouldn't get along with or maybe be good drinking buddy? I don't know but he's got the credentials you what do you want to put somebody in there that hates Russia and hates Putin is that what you want yeah apparently why Well, what they first of all he has conflict of interest written on his forehead. I heard it myself Yeah, and that guy would know yeah He has to give up everything I mean he has to give up all every yes to his stock Yes To give all that up is one of those guys who said in the clip taking put in there? I think you're I think you if yours

2:23:21 If you're an American, you're obligated to do this stuff. I mean he's got a just salary alone is $25 million dollars a year from Exxon Mobil who knows what he makes into the stocks and the rest of it He's giving him a job that pays $200,000. Doesn't anybody look at it from the perspective as holy crap we're getting a CEO high-end CEO guy that makes millions of dollars and we're getting him on the cheap? Yeah I mean it would be equivalent to saying we can have Tom Collins in our administration...I'm sorry Tim Cook because he would favor China

2:24:01 because he makes his stuff in China. I mean, that would be similar to that although it never happened because everyone would say Tim Cook is awesome bring him in yeah and but for a moment then... But it's against McCain's view of the thing So we have two things at play we have the military industrial complex and we have um the uh the oil and gas industry and often of course We know that the State Department sets up the extraction of a gas and oil, which is usually done heavy-handedly through the Department of Defense. So okay so we have Tillerson is going to be in he's gonna be friends with Russia what is going to happen on the global oil market? What is the strategy

2:24:51 Or maybe gas would be more interesting to look at that. What is the strategy? Are we going to say, okay Russia go ahead do your Syrian pipeline with Iran And have the gas flow into Europe through Cyprus or Greece or whatever you want to do. I mean, what is the strategy? We want to help ourselves as an America first cabinet. Right and i think somebody made the observation that well why fool around with our state department's entire business has been to get oil Yeah, for the country. Why don't we just put an oil guy in there? I think that what's going to happen is it's going to probably be a bunch of instead of these disputes and these battles and this death of American soldiers over some of this stuff

2:25:34 There'll be some agreements the Russians can have there. It's like when the mob got its act together, you know and they had the big meetings where they've differently okay, Lucchese, you get this area Genovese, see you guys get this and then across that line, you can have that will make a deal instead of fighting about it. And then everybody benefits supposedly we get out of a war and maybe kind of have a booming economy in 2020 era Now, do you think that it is possible that the Russians—I'll just say Putin to make it easy—that he has some ideas up his sleeve for more domination once he gets friendly noise from the new administration? I mean, do we really trust him? Well, I think you have to take everything with... I mean, Tillerson said himself that he doesn't agree with everything Putin's ever done. And no, of course not! But

2:26:30 Just saber-rattle call him name so they can't make any products and call them out and inactive rudely right with these guys. Oh, yeah especially in Antarctica is gonna be but You know then why won't Trump do the same? I meant Arctic not Antarctic then why won't Trump do the same with China he's only been antagonizing them saying their a holes and there are criminals and it's I think he is gonna do the same thing. That's why he sent that Iowa guy into China as they have or he's going to send him his ambassador and I think, uh...I don't know. I don't see any of these guys as problematic. Oh i'm not talking about these guys! I'm talking about okay you know what is it? What is we're going to be America first but I- I'm not necessarily on board thinking that Chinese Russians and other actors don't want to dominate themselves They want to dominate

2:27:29 Yeah, I'm sure they do. But so do we that's not going to change but it's gonna be done differently there's no reason you know have these little skirmishes all over the place and have saber rattling and threatened nuclear war. Of course of course I agree with that particularly when you make the ultimate mistake you know the first rule of a handgun if you pull a gun out on someone you shoot! You don't threaten with it And we seem to be like the gun pullers and waving them around. And you have to remember this one thing that's always overlooked is Russia and China both have been our traditional allies in real wars, yeah in the big ones, you're right...in real wars where there were millions of people killed

2:28:18 They've always been our allies. So why are we, they're our enemies and if you listen to Cheney or enemies or adversaries how their adversary economically because they want to pump some oil out of their place cause they got a big well? Well yeah it's our interest sure. They want to sell to people we want to sell too I think that's ultimately the idea. Yeah but thats the same with all business You don't need necessarily go over to dry cleaners because you gotta dry cleaner gunned the guy down so you get better, you take his business away. You clearly have never been in Texas when we get shitty dry cleaning and we come in guns blazing. I'm going to show my support by donating to KnowAgenda Imagine all the people who could do that Oh yeah that'd be fab On KnowAgenda on in

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2:35:56 with our immigration system. It's the cost, it's the cost! It's the cost... Oh yeah no you're right, the fees The fee- now they're going up Again? Check it out So application to register permanent residence or adjust status everybody needs this that's a form I 485 I've done this it already costs $985 dollars to fill out your application They're jacking that up 16 percent to 11 hundred and forty dollars. Why?

2:36:34 because they can, there is no reason given. Now you need to have a whole bunch of other things you need a genealogy index search, you need a records request just give me some ideas so we have the and everything's going up but some of them by 57% So if you are petitioning for your fiance say please can my fiance come into the country? We're going to get married which is a legal process that's form I-129F That already cost $340, that's going up 57% to $535. I mean this is insane! Insane... All of these fees are at the about half a thousand dollars here. Immigrant petition by alien entrepreneur? Yeah check this out form i-526

2:37:27 Was $1,500 is going up to three thousand six hundred and seventy five dollars. This is just a ripoff That's more than doubling application for oh Okay, so you know you have this one sneaky one where you can if you're an immigrant investor? This is a visit very controversial Yes Yeah So that that application just a piece of paper cost six thousand two hundred thirty dollars I guess it's so successful they're jacking it up to $17,795. Why? Now this is the problem when you have a family of five or whatever you have who can afford this kind of money

2:38:15 This is why people don't get legal. It is too expensive." Yeah, so you just cheat? Of course! It's in the show notes if anyone wants to go and have a look at that... our real problem here in the United States. I have a couple clips from the UK which I thought might be interesting from filmmaker Martin Durkin. He's more like a UK guy and He, oh this would actually be kind of a good callback. So he blames the Brexit not on the Russians not necessarily on Trump, but on something else. And Martin I guess the other kind of big context is this war on sugar which is incredible you know went from tobacco to alcohol salt for a while and then all those salt groups just seem to turn into anti-sugar groups what do you make of this kind of new frontier in this nanny statism? What do you think it says just really about that kind of killjoyness so that you can't even enjoy your cake without being seen as some sort of aberrant behavior? No its enormously miserable

2:39:15 and it creeps like a bloat some cancer. And the difficulty is, as we were saying before you know someone comes around your door and say right we're gonna buck...you know we're going to stand up You know, the thing is you're not going to go up your Saturday and wave a placard about curtains round booze or reformulation of cream crackers or something like that. Every assault is sufficiently small that you are just not going to get off your ass to do something about it." And what happens is there's an accumulation of grievances—and it's not just food! I mean, they saw the other day that teachers were complaining that Beauty & The Beast was sexist or fucking ageist or beastest or whatever the damn thing is. But you know there's something wrong with that and, you know likewise it's all these little things all these intrusions all these absurd little kind of

2:40:00 niggles, until you vote Trump or you vote Mary Poppins. You know what I mean? And all these wankers are standing around going but why did they vote Trump was it because of his protectionist argument was it because of this but they They didn't know what his arguments, they just knew Trump wasn't all that crap. It wasn't less sugar it wasn't beauty and the beast is feminist And he goes on to say that it really is the universities who are creating all these idiotic children Well I'm glad they're banning fizzy drinks in universities and I hope they ban lager and food and plenty of other things In order to discourage people from going. I've come to a conclusion that universities are in fact a terrible evil social force

2:40:49 We should do everything in our power to discourage them. As far as I can see, most students are fascists and people complain when I say that they don't want to push Jews into chambers...I mean Italian fascists you know? They're not quite of the German side some of them are the German side but there may be mainly Italian fascists and they are there not to learn useful things in order to go and lead productive lives, they're there in order to join a new class and tell us all what to do. And few of their number go on to be lecturers and things like that and they're the ones who are behind all this banning fizzy drinks but as I say, the more universities implode, the better for all of us

2:41:27 And then finally, he has a nice call back to the opening of our show. I think there's a class gap as well. I mean, I'm worried about the generation thing because when my kids were growing up and they—and the teachers were all appalled when you know bit global warming homework came in and I said what a load of old bollocks that was. So, you know, I made sure they went in with the right homework saying this was all nonsense course got them into trouble if teachers were annoyed. All of that nonsense which I didn't think too much off, it has produced the generation of students that we've got today. But also I think there's a class thing, I was only semi-flippant what I said before, I think universities are churning out a class of people who are the class of Hillary Clinton

2:42:09 and the Tony Blair's, and the people who imagine themselves as part of the state who ally with the state. Who imagine themselves as middle class tax consumers in an arts establishment or some such thing on a university And that is the real class divide now I think the class divide is between upper-class tax consumers, because I think the state is really there for the upper middle classes and intelligentsia not ordinary people. And that divide is opening wider as they get more and more into their global warming feminist social justice warrior fizzy dream. Do you imagine some sort of purge with intellectuals like Pol Pot?

2:42:50 I really think we must. The intelligentsia are the stupidest people on earth and the most offensive, and they have been since Plato actually. We're going to get really sort of historical about it but they're all bastards! Yes! You know that those clips bring me right into a perfect follow-up which is my little Italian debate thing. All right rock and roll Because this is about, we don't talk about Italy that much and we need to kind of bring people up to speed with what's going on there which is part of what's going on everywhere. That were watching the populist thing and the Trump and Brexit and the rest. And let's play... This is the Italy rundown one. Earlier this month Italian voters rejected a referendum

2:43:35 that nation's Constitution in what was a stern rebuke of Prime Minister Matteo Renzi, who resigned in the aftermath. The vote was seen as the latest instance of a rising tide of populism both in Europe and here against elites and the perceived establishment from Rome special correspondent Christopher Livesey explains it started is just another protest movement now Now it could control the Italian government and many in Europe are terrified. It's called the Five Star Movement, a foul-mouthed comedian named Beppe Grillo founded only seven years ago today the five star movement is Italy's fastest growing party picking off votes from both left and right with a populist message skewering the political establishment amid the punishing economic fallout of the euro crisis

2:44:27 The government has long dismissed them as anti-euro nationalists, done so at their now clear and great peril. This month center left Prime Minister Matteo Renzi a staunch defender of the European Union was forced to resign when he failed in a referendum on constitutional reforms that would have weakened the powers of the Senate in order to streamline the legislative process. Yes Yeah, what they tried to do which is what I think would happen here especially if Hillary got in because Hillary is against all borders and she won. But you know we do have sovereignty and we have to like weaken it the way that we can it is to do a constitutional convention and rewrite the Constitution yeah and weaken so he has no sovereignty because the idea of the globalists is that there should be just one happy family. Countries everybody be brown and happy

2:45:23 So this report goes on and on, I've cooked it up a little bit. And it's worth listening to because we don't talk about Italy at all and I think this will bring everyone up to speed so let's go on with part two The five-star movement campaigned hardest against frenzy New elections are expected early next year and its the five star movement with the wind in its sails Franco Pavoncello is a professor of political science and president of John Cabot University in Rome The Five Star Movement basically is a rejectionist party that feels that the entire political spectrum has been disqualified by decades of bad management, corruption and economic decline where the people are much poorer than their grandparents. And this is where we see a parallel with Brexit and with the United States

2:46:15 There is a sense of dispossess, disenfranchise those who feel they don't really have a voice anymore. That voice is channeled in Parliament by lawmakers like Manlio Di Stefano – a leading figure in the movement What will a five-star government look like? How we will govern, how we will have the numbers. We are sure 100% that in the next political election people will realize Five-star movement against the rest of the establishment. So it's the five star movement against everyone else? I think yes At just 35 years old, Di Stefano epitomizes the youthful rebellion at the heart of the movement telling his parliamentary rivals they've never worked a real job in their lives.

2:47:10 Italians like Roberta Maggi, who feel increasingly left behind are the core of the Five Star Movement's support. Last year the landlord shut off the single mother's heat and hot water when she lost her job as a secretary and could no longer afford rent She eats up pots of water on the stove and she washes her kids here in the sink. You see what I'm going through? Sometimes, I just break down." With Christmas just around the corner she faces eviction this very morning. Neighbors and friends have rallied to her side among them Roberto Lombardi another member of parliament from The Five Star Movement

2:47:53 We are here to try to stop this eviction. And stop it she did, at least for now. The court officials left when they saw the crowd. Hey who did this report? Where is it from? This was done by an independent reporter that is part of PBS, so it was on NewsHour. It took up a good part of the show as you can tell by the number of clips I've got but i thought it was very dense and it gets your right up to speed and now I don't think we need to talk about Italy for another year. But if you want to keep playing these there's this clip

2:48:30 Three. Okay. Stunts like these have made the Five Star Movement vulnerable to charges of populism, a charge they relish So a lot of people say to us this thing that you do makes you a populist and we always say okay if you consider it to be populist just taking care of people we are proud to be populists but the truth is that everybody in this building in Parliament should be a little bit populist, meaning they should consider the people needs. Otherwise you're doing your own interests. Populism is thriving across Europe as economies in the common market struggle and immigration booms. Do you have kind of like a summary coming?

2:49:21 You can play the last clip if you want, which kind of has a certain... Well the only reason I ask is because- Less than 10 minutes to go! That's the only reason. Okay? These clips are pretty short. I'm getting the warning. But pop- I gotta kick out of that clip because the word- How did- When did the word populism become such a bad word? Yeah, well ever since the rise of Le Pen in France I think was when it started. Yeah maybe yeah Well, I'll leave the rest is short so let's go to four I'm interested while less extreme than other European populists five-star movement leaders insist migrants denied asylum should be immediately deported And they've been accused of circulating fake news about migrants to incite their followers. Patrizio Nisirio is a senior editor at ANSA, Italy's leading news agency He says fake news is exploding across Europe

2:50:12 It's such a danger that figures like Pope Francis warned the press not to spread what he actually made very strong parallel between thesis and this kind of news. The studio points to one fake news story accusing the government of stuffing ballot boxes. No, this is a completely bogus story and there's no reality about it but the reaction on the social network was very impressive over 230 000 people reacted to this story on on the social network yeah of course yeah yeah fake news believable story that all fake news it's all fake news man it's fake news now let's wrap this thing up alright

2:50:56 This is good. This one, five is good Rula Jibril is an international affairs analyst. Oh, Russia is the real winner of all of this I mean they kill the news itself by creating by flooding in a market with fake news Russians globally we had a presidential candidate president-elect who told the Russians yes please hack National Democratic Nationals Committee and release the emails inviting them actually to party we have Marie Le Pen, Madame Le Pen in France who asked the Russians to give her seven million dollars so she could run a campaign. And then your five stars here are selecting these kind of news it's a national security threat what we're saying." Man that's a buncha hogwee!

2:51:47 This is, this was I thought was they did a really good report by bringing her in again. Trump of course we had that clear. It wasn't no but she took it one step further saying Trump asked him to hack the DNC. Yeah which wasn't what he did at all. No it's great yeah fake news. We'll wrap it up. The Five Star Movement denies it has a pro-Russian agenda, but some of their policy proposals would benefit Russia such as pushing for Italy to leave NATO and for the EU to end sanctions on Russia for annexing Crimea in 2014.

2:52:24 Do you want to cut European Union sanctions against Russia? The only ones that are losing money are the European people. They did something, it was just a demonstration of power Europe against Russia And Russia is winning. Indeed, it's the Five Star Movement's Euroscepticism that has shaken investors and much of Europe If elected they've promised to hold a referendum on abandoning the Euro currency As the eurozone third largest economy Italy's exit could be disastrous Yeah for everybody including Italy Oh my goodness. Well, I just want to stay in the Euroland for a minute and wrap up the show here. I did want to bring this clip out of his European Parliament for once it wasn't Nigel Farage making noise it was Dutch politician Marcel de Graaf who went off on Schultz and other bureaucrats about migrants

2:53:21 And, well it's very interesting to listen. He is going to say what he has to say and he is very clear and angry. And the responses are perhaps even crazier. Last year... And by the way I love that you're not really hearing real people but you're translators arguing against each other because they're translating what the politicians are arguing about. And it creates a very strange radio play. Last year, an illegal Afghan was detained for rape and murder on 19-year old girl who was in the prime of her life

2:54:01 She was working actively for the reception of migrants, and she was the daughter of an EU official. It could have been your daughter. She could have been my daughter." Politicians and the media talk about this as an incident, but in Germany there have been many rapes, thefts, perpetrations of violence – all of them by illegal immigrants. This Commission is refusing to recognise that there's a structural problem here. There are tens of thousands, hundreds of thousands of incidents such as this but you were never actually prepared to concede that this is a structural problem. These illegal immigrants

2:54:37 are convinced that they have a right to come to our countries and if they so wish, to rape our women and our children. Yes, our children because women and children even at the age of five or ten have been murdered they have been raped And you are refusing to recognise that you are in part responsible for allowing this to happen because you won't recognise we need a structural solution to migration in our countries and cities Nothing has been done to stop these illegal immigrants. You're working with a dictator in Turkey, you're working effectively with people who represent al-Qaeda and Al Nusrah the murderers in Homs and Mosul and way beyond that you are largely responsible this is the message which will come out of the council this week it's high time we had proper borders we sent illegal migrants back we stopped Islamization of Europe when we stop negotiations with Turkish which should never have been started thank you okay so he says hey

2:55:33 Women and children getting raped and murdered. And we need to stop this, this is out of control. We need borders you're working with a dictator in Turkey and your insane what are you doing? Obviously this did not go over well. Mr. Dhiraf I just have a request for you To say that migrants or refugees are systematically carrying out rapes, well I think after what we heard yesterday from two migrants who were systematically raped then i think it's a shame and scandal. Shame upon the European Parliament for what you said Oh my goodness! Shame on the European Parliament Mrs Doutmans do you have a question? Check her out Mr de Graaf

2:56:18 Mr. de Graaf, your statements are absolutely intolerable they have no place in this house Europe stands up for the rights of women, for the rights of every citizen. Your statements are nothing short of racism – pure racism! You're treating all the migrants as if they were one and the same. You're talking about people murdering and raping women and children. This is absolutely sickening speech and President I'd ask this to be deleted from the minutes. This is absolutely not worthy of European Parliament's type of speech. Shut up, shut up stricken from the record. John take it out of the record we can't have that speech on record Wow is this like a trial? They strike it from their record I've never heard this that they can do that. Strike it from the record yeah and then let's just do with us This is like them Federation of planets meeting or whatever That's the council Yeah It's just a bunch of good This isn't crazy Crazy

2:57:20 And then finally I got a lot of response about the eggs on everything here in the United States, Gitmo Nation. Okay. Putting eggs on everything and well I got two things in one. I got a possible answer. Eggs apparently are at an all-time crazy low 99 cents a dozen. Oh yeah, but those are crap eggs. Okay... The pale yellow yolk no flavor? But in general I think eggs are cheap. I don't know why. See, I am seeing US Bureau of Labor Statistics saying eggs are down $1.46 on average per dozen so maybe it's just cheap. That doesn't sound like the right... Maybe!

2:58:08 I don't know, would you think if they were cheap there'd be more people making deviled eggs or something? Well, Fix makes deviled eggs. But then i got this note from Sir Hank Scorpio of the Electrical Grid on the last show you were wrapping up he discussed the eggs on food phenomenon when i heard this i laughed hysterically my daughter has a toy oven that talks and make sound effects there are multiple sequences when it plays this Pizza I'm giving you a clip of the day for getting out of that guy And there's one little show one little ISO little ISO little ISO

2:59:11 We gotta get a better copy of that except for the one that came out of the oven but there's got to be some original Yeah, we need it. We need the full song yeah, we need a good recording I think you've already had something redo this on he just held his iPhone up to it, but really Eggs taste amazing on top of anything! An eight-year old's toy that caused this trend amongst foodiedom. I don't know what's going on, but it's frightening me Oh my goodness What are we gonna do? I dunno. Save the best for last Yes always always always alright everybody Thank you so much Please support us on the next show Dvorak org slash na We do need your help

2:59:58 Show 888. The big triple-A luckiness! Lucky, lucky, lucky, luckiness of all. That's right Okay, what do you got going on John anything we should watch anything we're doing anything special No, it's just a bunch of good. There's some mediocre bowl games that are going on They're kind of entertaining football ball games and its nothing but there's some because of the snowstorm There's been some really funny games to look at on the TV cuz it's like they're playing football in two feet of snow It was fantastic Oh nice That is good to watch

3:00:38 Well, for sure everybody we'll be back and that will be after the electoral college has voted so who knows what we'll have here in Gitmo Nation. Until then coming to you from the Crackpot Condo downtown Austin in the morning everybody I'm Adam Kirk And from Northern Silicon Valley where Plato say woman who plays strip poker with top gun pilots always has an ace in the hole! I'm John C. Dvorak We'll be back on Thursday right here on No Agenda Adios, mofos! I wish you many employees. ...enters an information system and alters it remotely so that the operator of the system doesn't know there was... ...saying the... ...abolish it, not to say you go pop your vote but that you make a delegate... ...I wish you many employees... ...mutter of Kremlin backtalkers... ...that is what did not happen... ...so-called vulnerability schemes...

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3:02:43 is deeply concerned that in transable the manipulation of nation by a foreign guy. In November, popular before and today. The media and the immediacy of how things can change at a moment's notice. In sharing intelligence with Congressmen that intransigent. the No, no, no, no. Significant impact. No, no, no, no, no! Dude named Ben. OPM? What a significant impact. Hey guys... No, no, no, no, no, no!

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3:04:42 I really think you better listen because i know in the past you've managed to ignore Danish, Dutch Irish and French referendums but this time it is for real a democratic revolution has begun fact check false adios mofo the best podcast in the universe Dvorak.org slash n-a