Ant Wars

00:00 Buffoon! A buffoon, I tell ya. It's Sunday November 27th 2016 This is your award-winning Gitmo Nation Media Assassination Episode 881 Feeling fuzzy under a cloud of mold dust and broadcasting live from the darkest corners of the internet. We're not on the list yet, in the morning everybody! I'm Adam Curry. And from Northern Silicon Valley where Plato say woman who makes love with baseball MVP takes one for the team. I'm John C. DeVore. Ahhhh...I love how Plato was into baseball back in the day

00:40 This is an unknown fact. Yeah. Play-Doh loved baseball! He was all over the game, all over it I tell you. So the bitch struck? Friday morning, John. The mold but the bad mold here? The one that puts me to sleep for 18 hours a day? What mold is this that we know... I don't know what a mold it is! Every year we have to listen to this. Yeah well you know- Why don't you just get a good HEPA filter?! I have it! I have everything got ozone blast and I got everything! I can't stop it It must be very susceptible there's some minute amount of mold

01:21 Yeah, I'm probably very...I'm probably very susceptible to that. So anyway so you know this Friday pretty much was sleeping all day like what's going on? It took me hours to figure it out and oh! I know what's going on! It's the damn mold! Oh crap. So where do we start today? Well, first of all this is... Oh I'm sorry. No i'm sorry we do have a place to start. I'm sorry my mistake the following podcast contains news that is fake unlike your anal leakage which is real listener discretion is advised All right back to that I have a weather report because I like to bitch about this sort of thing yeah

02:07 This is from last night. It's sunny. In fact, the sun is coming into the office blinding me it's so sunny." Well this is an outrage! This guy should be fired he's not doing his job? He was taking cues from the weather guy... he wasn't actually the anchor I just clipped it off saying that yeah I know it's not gonna be raining tomorrow morning and indeed it's not And there are no rain clouds on the horizon either like its going to be raining in an hour or something like that No nothing

03:00 Well, that's it. That's my only thing is I'm good for the show now great Thank you. That was very helpful It was a heard something but that was who is Obama or somebody going on about climate change and they were saying They now changed the whole meme to 99% all science well I have this clip John and I wasn't planning on rolling it out here But it is a part of the Ministry of Truthiness division of our show notes. And we might, since it's about... We're talking about fake news and you just brought in the weather report I actually have two clips that seamlessly fold into that. Christiana Anampur who is right now she works for CNN she's a member of the Council on Foreign Relations She was speaking at the CPJ which is the Committee for Protecting Journalists Committee or Commission? One of the two. Committee or Commission

03:53 And she was receiving an award. Do you know about this? What it's the Benjamin Button Memorial Award, Benjamin Button. I'm sorry. The Burton Benjamin Memorial. So what is the Burton Benjamin Memorial Award? I have no idea. Dodging bullets? No, never heard of it! Oh yeah exactly we don't qualify for these kinds of you know fine awards will never get an award ever so she was... You could? No not gonna happen. We got the podcasting award I think oh yeah that's true but not a journalistic award so this is the Peabody we'll get a peabody anyone can get a peabody look at Richard Engel anyone can get that and I want one

04:36 So Christiane Annapur, she has an acceptance speech. You know like a 15-20 minute speech and I was able to pull a couple of things from this because she is speaking to the elite news media the way they speak about everything And she actually opened up with what she felt was the most important story that the journalists need to be covering and that is, as you just touched on it's climate change. Like many people watching where I was overseas, I admit that I like them were shocked by the exceptionally high bar put before one candidate and the exceptionally low bar put before another candidate It also appeared that much of the press, much of the media was tying itself in knots trying to differentiate between balance between objectivity neutrality and crucially the truth. We cannot continue the old paradigm we cannot for instance keep saying

05:32 like it was over global warming, where 99.9% of the science, the empirical facts... What? Now remember she's winning a journalistic award John! This is what makes it so great Oh yeah, it's even crazier what she says. Listen to the whole thing. Get that the whole bit here. ...warming when 99.9% of the science, the empirical facts, the evidence is given equal play with a tiny minority of deniers... And by the way that's not even true! She's a liar! That's correct. I pointed it out on a recent PBS show where they did not have anybody saying anything

06:13 No. It was just all one-sided! Right, but also... Yeah this is bullcrap Well also the 99.9 with a very small bunch of dissenters that's not true there's a 30 000 group strong minimum Yeah, and well you already went over the 97 point whatever it is thing which was bullcrap to begin with has become a meme I mean You know if these people wanted people the skeptics to take them seriously. Why do they constantly lie about this? Well, I have had thoughts about this and what you're hearing and you'll hear in the next clip I want to finish this one first you'll hear it in the next clip that

06:50 The way journalists operate, when they read something... if they haven't even seen a video. If it's a viral video but they read about it in the New York Times that's the story you see? They don't need to go and investigate what the New York Times apparently has already done It'll become apparent in these, in the other two clips here. Let me finish this one up and just go back and hear that fine statistic which is just not even true according to the official statement. The global warming where 99.99% of science, the empirical facts, evidence is given equal play with a tiny minority of deniers I learned a long long time ago

07:33 Now this was actually very interesting what she's about to say here. So if you really listen to what she says, She learned something a long long time ago and then she tells us what she learned which kind of makes me think that she was complicit when I was covering the genocide and ethnic cleansing in Bosnia. Never to equate victim and aggressor, never to create a false moral or factual equivalence because then if you do particularly in situations like that you are party and accomplice to the most unspeakable crimes and consequences." Did she do something wrong? Is that what she's saying? That she was

08:17 a partaker in atrocities? Man, that is a convoluted anecdote. You have to play it again and I have to listen more carefully. Try one more time. Alright here we go... ...you do particularly in situations like that you are party... Oh sorry let me roll back a little bit more here we go... Never to create a false moral or factual equivalence because then if you do particularly in situations like that You are party and accomplice to the most unspeakable crimes and consequences. So I believe in being truthful, not neutral." What do you think happened there? She did something bad! That's what I... that's my takeaway from it Yeah Okay Now let's listen to a little bit more from her And now remember this is a prestigious award apparently It looked like a big gala Gala, gala, gala She had local- Love them galas Yeah she had tons of jewels on

09:14 Jules. It looked high end, let's put it that way. Now okay so again this is from the Benjamin Button Award acceptance speech of Christiane Annapur. This is what I call the meme fest and you listen to this you think oh my goodness these people just as long as someone they trust has reported it then that's a story and they take it from there! We have to accept that we have had our lunch handed to us by the very same social media that we have so slavishly been devoted to. True The winning candidate did a very savvy end run around us Oh! Oh no! They he bypassed the gatekeeper, well this will not stand and used it to go straight to the people This is not okay

10:02 combined with the most incredible development ever, which is the tsunami of fake news. Mmm... Ehh! Hold on I gotta play a jingle. The Tsunami of Fake News John. It's not just- Not just a little fake news it is a tsunami of fake news. Thank you Greg Davies forgot to credit him on the last show with this ping pong ball. Here we go! Combined with the most incredible development ever, which is the tsunami of fake news... AKA lies. Somehow people could not would not recognize fact-check or disregard these lies One of the main writers of these false news sites, these articles, these lies says Wait who could that be? That people are getting dumber and just passing fake reports around without fact checking

10:58 And we now need to ask whether technology has finally outpaced our human ability to keep up. Yeah, why don't you read Ted Kaczynski's little manuscript? Facebook needs to step up. Step up? Advertisers need not advertise on these obviously fake news sites, some of which they know are but just they get lots of clicks so they get lots of money. Complete misunderstanding of the business there and we'll roll that back for a second she asserts that advertisers should not advertise on those fake news sites Not only do they often know that their fake news site

11:34 But the clicks generate lots of money. No, no! Maybe for the sites who are hosting the ads but not the advertisers themselves they're hoping to sell products or other services Did you hear that? It was very interesting. That was a good catch because I didn't hear it but what...I think she, where it was a leap of faith is one of those things where she says one thing that meant another which makes her fake news propagator. Fake news! ...on these obviously fake news sites some of which they know are just they get lots of clicks so they get lots of money No While Ghanim, who was one of the fathers of the Arab Spring's so-called social media revolution now says quote The same medium that so effectively transmits a howling message of change also appears to undermine the actual ability to make that change.

12:25 Social media amplifies the human tendency to bind with one's own kind. It tends to reduce complex social challenges, to mobilizing slogans that reverberate in echo chambers of the like-minded rather than engage in persuasion and dialogue and reach for consensus." Wow, thank you for deconstructing how social media works! Hate speech and untruths appear alongside good intentions and truths. Now the question is which is which? So I feel that right now we face an existential crisis, a real threat to the very relevance and usefulness of our profession

13:06 Now, more than ever I genuinely believe that we need to recommit to real reporting across a real nation and a real world in which journalism and democracy are in mortal peril. You know what you need for that Anandpur? You need clicks! And money Something the news business doesn't have including by foreign powers like Russia Oh, there it is who pay to churn out and to place these false news articles lies They hack into democratic systems not just what is it with the word hack that whenever someone say you can you can set your clock on this Whenever someone says hack. It's a hack

13:46 hack, hack. Listen they hack into hack, hack. Why is that? Have you noticed this I like to say it's one of those hard K it's a very uh it's a catchy word yeah these lies in many of our press They hack into democratic systems, not just here as they're accused of but also now allegedly in crucial democratic experiences that are going on in Germany and France and elsewhere in Europe. Wait a minute...they're hacking the democratic experiences? This will not stand! What the hell is she saying?! I don't know, but it's in my pants. Here is the last one short clip and this really wraps it up where you'll see that when the news elite get together this is what they do is they just believed in their own... They have their own echo chamber! They really do and here's... I've been to these meetings. Well I want you to talk about that after this clip so here she is now she is going to tie into

14:49 the alt-right NPI conference where six people were going, hail Trump. Now she has not seen the video! This is what makes it fascinating this reporter who has not seen the video is going to tell you how atrocious this moment was based upon really her reading about it I presume in The New York Times or The Washington Post something that she deems to be An authority. Have you read, you must all have read about the Heil Victory meeting not far from the White House in Washington this weekend? We must be doing many many stories about the dangerous right The dangerous rise of the far-right Not just here but also across Europe And since when did neo-nazism and anti-semitism stop being a crucial litmus test in the United States?

15:41 So there you go. She says, I'm sure you read about this horrible atrocity. I'm sure you all read it because she read it. She didn't see it since too much work to see. I don't understand that. I know that you're bringing it up as a point. I think it is a point. I don't understand why he just don't look at these damn videos? How hard can it be? You can do a search and not hard to find these they're not by the way will say this The way YouTube organizes stuff is crap. I mean, if you really want to find something and you don't know how to do the search properly? You'll never find it! They don't do date order, they don't do newest or oldest...they don't do anything like that. You have to have a bunch of keywords in there that find this thing but anyone who's a professional journalist should be able to do it. I don't know why they don't

16:27 It's somehow... They saw that you somebody should have been in the audience who saw it and said, hey you know there is no there. Oh yeah that would have made me feel better now tell me about these meetings about these uh you were saying that you've been there and this is all this is really well this is the echo chamber any group of journalists and editors they were like a built-in hierarchy And it's like these meetings, always... It is an echo chamber. Exactly! They're all very liberal. The whole operations are all liberal and the hierarchy is what's interesting because you have these especially in the bigger meetings, the editors and the managing and executive editors editor-in-chief. Those are the big three in a newspaper. And they're all like hanging out with each other and talking about the business and how we're gonna go forward. And then you have the troops which are all the journalists that work for a living or either called reporters or staff reporters not too many correspondents which is... Agents of change John agents

17:28 And they, these guys are all just all progressives. All of them with very few exceptions there's maybe one or two and then you see them there don't hang it the guys who are the more conservative members of the media which are very few show up and they all know each other. There's like all five of them in a group of 200, who they'll gather together. Well I don't know what we're gonna do or just as it gets terrible and everyone is lockstep and they're just exactly the way you said so its a feeding frenzy of what are we... And they all think that own the place! And they can't do crap! If you look at the last newsletter I sent out which was good one, I liked it alot that was really good with all covers of daily news and stuff

18:12 Trump is through because he criticized McCain. Trump is done because he did this, He'll never be president. My favorite news guy- my favorite? Trump is Hitler! That's my favorite. Yeah the Trump is Hitler one was bound to be in there but that but if you look at all these these These assertions that this is the problem that we had with David Brooks on the PBS show right The guy doesn't know what he's does they have no clue They are so removed from society that they have no idea what they're talking about. This is a business, I say it all the time... this is a business that has so much insight that they didn't even see their own demise coming. They're great!

18:53 This is a business where you sat in on the meeting, where they guy admitted about managing. No, no, I'll tell you the story this was 1995 or 1996 we went to see The Tribune Company in Chicago and we sat there and they were like well we've got everything under cold control We've got the Storify system whatever that was called what was the number that was like something yet vignette thank you yeah wow whoo We've got the vignette system, we're all good. But you know what's happening? As far as I understand your business... You make money mainly on classified ads and have you seen this thing called Craigslist? We believe that they're going to eat your lunch there so you gotta come up with other ways maybe starting your own craigslist would be an idea but okay whatever you want to do you gotta do something." And then they were like, yeah! Have you seen this building?! The Tribune Company has been around for over a hundred years

19:49 No, there's that but there is also the meeting we had in San Francisco with the Examiner Chronicle. Oh with Hearst! And they admitted...the editor admitted that they had been offered Craigslist the entire product. Oh shit yes you're right What's his name comes in I can't remember who runs it but I'll remember his name. Craig. Craig Newmark. Craig. Craig Newmark walks and says look what I've done You guys want it? We'll just split or whatever We don't need you. That is the most, that is the classic. These are the people that are trying to tell us how to think and what our opinion should be like and that's the kind of decisions they make." Well let's uh well ya know what I'll just fill out this first A block with more since we're on a roll here

20:37 Let me give you the opinion of another elitist, Andrea Mitchell. Was she always a journalist? Where did she come from actually? I'd have to look it up. You might want to check the book of knowledge while we play this. This is her version and take on the Hale the And an Atlantic reporter present says he heard some shouting Heil in German, not Hail the translation in English. NBC News was not present to independently confirm what happened. Jonathan we've never seen anything like this in an election cycle there has been plenty of white supremacist stuff out there you track it all the time yeah but this

21:34 is pretty noteworthy. It's not part of Donald Trumps transition or administration and creation, it's an independent support group but let's just translate for people when he says as Europeans when he talks about my struggle that's Mein Kampf. Okay, its Mein Kampf gotcha course My struggle is mind comp. Wow, that's a borderline clip of the day I'll take that anytime i'll take it Alright so there's kind of a new beat that I'm trying to work on and I need a lot of help from the producers because this very time intensive what is happening with podcasts in particular

22:18 is we have a lot of journalistic podcasts which are created by people who do real mainstream work or what they would consider real journalism. And they go on podcasts and they let down their guard and they start talking the way they really feel, in the way that talk in the newsroom. This gives us some of the best deconstruction moments I feel that we can get because then you hear their hubris, you hear their arrogance. You hear their elitism and quite honestly, their globalist view of the world. So but in a time intensive part is listening to all these shitty podcasts and believe me, lot of them are pretty crap. The New York Times has a podcast. Let's see what it's called here. Oh yeah! They have a podcast... One of those worst huh? Yeah it's called The Run-Up

23:15 And this particular episode, I pulled a couple of quotes. This will give an example of what I'm trying to do some of it's good some of its okay but if you really listen is quite disturbing to hear these people talk. So we have Maggie Haverman and i guess she's a star reporter for the New York Times then you have Ross... What's his name? Stafford? Some opinion guy, opinion columnist I don't know, but the opinion columnist named Ross. And then that's... Don't worry about it. It doesn't matter as a host Michael okay so what they're talking about is the visit Donald Trump brought to The New York Times

23:52 And they were all three in the room and they also have clips. It's kind of meta-meta because they're talking about when Trump was there, the whole event was recorded so they play some clips of what they're talking about and we are meta on top of that playing clips with them playing clips. So it may get a little confusing. I know! You did that wrong man... This is how it goes. All right, so Maggie Haverman talking about Trump and his general just his demeanor. He came into our editorial board meeting many many months ago now as a candidate he repeatedly went on and on about how it was great honor So I mean I do think that there is

24:34 To the extent that Trump is easily defined by a lot of, many of them conflicting impulses. Many of them dating back to I think decades ago he is still the boy from Queens who looks at The Times as sort of the crown jewel and wants a level of respect. I don't think he would have been here if he didn't want that and the meeting was his request Trump was actually quite calm considering the various states. I've seen him in this is not the first time I've been in a room with him So I have a comparison point, and he started out a little bit defensive I thought his arms folded as he was sitting down. He's very tightly like the metaphor that came to mind was of an unhappy

25:11 kid, just sort of waiting for something really bad to happen. You hear this? I love these people! So they're sitting there and that's what they thought... aww he looked like a little kid. Why didn't they say penchant child? That was such an issue when it was said about Obama. It appeared as a penchant child before us. Do you remember that? We dealt with it appropriately Who was it? Was it Romney or someone who called Obama a penchant child? And everyone is like racist RACIST Because that meant boy, don't you remember that? Yeah. Vaguely. It was sort of getting ready to endure punishment right and so but instead he stole out the punishment. But he loosened up as time went on. He sort of got that off his chest and then he talked about essentially the greatest hits of the primary end of the general election and his rallies and how he had captured the mood and he just felt it with Michigan and he had added a final stop and he heard word that Hillary Clinton thought she was going to lose Michigan so that's how they did it

26:07 It was really fascinating. Really fascinating do you know these kinds of people John talk like this was really fascinating? It's just so awesome Here we go over there back behind any Behind their scenes this is now This is a little tidbit which did not make it into the the article about Trump And I thought this was very newsworthy, but to your point That's another impulse that was on display in this meeting Which is Trump is I think I described him as sort of like the hair salon gossip during the campaign. Did you hear? Quality to him and he said something about there was one thing that Obama is very afraid of, I'm not going to say what it is... He wanted us to ask Obama himself ourselves. But this was really unheard of. And so just further explain that episode when Trump said

26:57 There's one thing Barack Obama told me that he is scared of and we should all be scared of, but I won't tell you. And then someone followed up and said oh no please tell us and he said no you'll have to ask." Well where is the journalism? But I'm interested! What could it be?! I don't know, scabies...I have no idea. I just found it peculiar that if a president-elect said that to me at The New York Times they'd be like okay I'm gonna go ask I see no evidence of them asking. Of course not! There's actually a, when you hear a little later clip i have which i'll probably introduce in this segment because of where we're going yeah uh it's all explained okay um now this was a little bit of the podcast that i found interesting as they are now like journalism students

27:55 They're so interested in each other and how they ask the question, you know. How did you feel when you engaged? And what was the feeling like when he didn't answer your question?" It's really—it's creepy! Can I ask you about the experience of asking President-elect Donald Trump a question? I watched you because I was kind of marveling. I was trying to think how long you would go How you'd frame the question? Oh, yeah marveling at what you were doing just a little bit more billing it your question style You've already asked a question I know but I still was really interested in what use well you asked and we're and how he were about to ask it And it was essentially can you get something is mammoth as an infrastructure project through this Republican Congress and what did he what did he say? What do you say John?

28:38 Nothing, oh I thought you said something did he answer your question and like what's the overall feeling you got of the interaction? I mean the feeling well the interaction started with you know we were all identifying ourselves And he said something to be a feeling did you get I know this it's how did you feel when you asked that question where you if You were a tree. What kind of a tree would you be in this context? This is exactly what I wanted to hear you say. It's so sickening, what did you feel when you asked the question? So awesome as a journalist. Well the interaction started with we were all identifying ourselves and he said something to be identified myself and he sort of gave me a look and said something to the effect of I know who you are or something which again sort of confirms just the sense that Trump takes The New York Times seriously and takes our criticism bipartisan criticism since I'm obviously

29:29 a conservative columnist, that he takes it to heart. Not necessarily in positive way judging by his Twitter feed but it does matter to him so there's that. In terms of the question I mean what I was trying to tease out and he is obviously not going to get into this less the specific infrastructure bill question and more just this broad conflict of visions between Trumpism as an economic philosophy and Paul Ryan's economic philosophy. Now notice they ... The word Trumpism is now a word they use internally Which I don't know just a good catch you find that interesting that they're calling that to that way Let me see oh, okay now this again. I don't think I saw this reported This is about Steve Brannon and of course the New York Times Bannon I'm sorry at The New York Times has a huge issue with with the alt-right obviously because they're evil there Nazis high on pile pile Trump

30:24 They're doing stories the New York Times is not doing. And of course, it's impossible for the president-elect to reconcile Breitbart with his views on the alt right. None of this makes sense and what...and this Bannon that this guy is a I mean he's no good! He's no good!! There is a fairly complicated portrait of Steve Bannon that somebody can paint There have been complaints about him, but there's...I think from some past employees and so forth. But there is not a whole lot of hard evidence or video or whatever of him making...

31:10 Like the old farts shaking my fist at the television. Yeah, I'll give you a second to shake it or video or whatever of him making Anti-semitic statements a lot of this comes from these divorce filings from a long time ago Oh there you go so all this anti-semitic stuff There's no proof she's saying The New York Times is saying there's no proof how come they don't write that well? I know because it doesn't fit them narrative. I've been watching Bannon speeches yeah, but I've seen one and This guy is really, he's a financial guy and I think, and I was been thinking why does Trump even have him? Extremely intelligent insightful Goldman Sachs guy who knows the ropes.

31:55 And he knows what's going on with the economy. This is what this is about, it has nothing to do with anti-Semitism or anything else. Go listen to some of his old speeches around 2011 and 2012 that were pretty fascinating. No there was nothing in there about race or anything, its just about the economy He's in there to be the go-to guy when the economy collapses which will do invariably during this Trump first term It is fascinating to me that a couple of podcasters have to break it down to understand what he's doing in the White House as an advisor. Whereas, The New York Times can't seem to come up with that gem! I mean his background is well known

32:39 Yes, Goldman Sachs. You know when you listen to his speeches especially the ones done around the 2020 2012 time frame He makes it he does a long exposition at the beginning about the economy where it stands Where's the trillions that we owe how its gonna break down? Yeah How the bond market is gonna go when the bar I saw that one and the bond markets gonna collapse But he talks about the bond market collapsing. He's about that That's what he's about do not not about what if people think he's doing there Well, they think he's infiltrating the alt-right propaganda machine of fake news into the Trump administration. Do you know how he made his money? He made a lot of money being an investor in television shows Yes and which one in particular? Seinfeld That's right! He has a big piece of that

33:30 I don't know if it's a big piece, but he has a piece that's really a lot of money. And apparently it galls everybody else who got a lesser piece of the action. Yeah because no one wanted to touch the production and no one wanted to touch it and he said oh...and he was at Goldman Sachs and put together some kind of deal as part of the deal of course his fee was you gotta piece in the action on the back end and thats where he is making his money. Beautiful alright. Great BART content obviously. Wait for this! This is great a different matter and so Trump just basically equated... Wait a minute, what did she say? Breitbart content is uh you know can be uh a different matter. A different matter. So Trump just basically equated Breitbart with the New York Times This galls her to some degree I believe. They covered... Bye! What?!

34:14 Yes, I think they don't like the equivalencies. No but it gets better. But at the top of the pyramid supposedly there's nothing that's like... Nothing, nothing. By the way just as an aside in this clip and I've been watching a lot of these kind of panel shows where they bring New York Times reporters in then The New York Times never used to send a lot of people and The New York Times characters, I'd say 10 years ago were the Andrew Ross Sorkin types. My friend Markov over in San Francisco would be one of these guys and there's a bunch of other ones and they're New York Times reporters that come on, they wear the blue shirt, kind of just those regimental ties or some sort, they're very buttoned down, they have certain kinda look, usually have this small little Himmler glasses

35:05 they present themselves a certain way. The more recent New York Times reporters are slobs! Yeah, you're right There was a woman on one of the shows and she's wearing like a black leather jacket and she was not even articulate And she was from the New York Times and I'm noticing that the New York Times...and everybody else is retiring The New York Times who has taken over...the reporters who were taking over the New York Times are of a different style. And they're all Hillary, they're worse than the ones that you're listening to now." Well I think this woman may be one of the new ones

35:41 It could be. And listen to this tidbit, which again I heard no reporting on and i think is quite bold. New York Times said they cover things... They're a publication. Breitbart first of all is just a publication and you know they cover stories like you cover stories now uh they are certainly much more conservative paper, to put it mildly than the New York Times. But Breitbart really is a news organization that's become quite successful and it's got readers and it does cover subjects on the right but it covers subjects on the left also I mean it's pretty big

36:20 And he helped build it into a pretty successful news organization. So there was that, and then he said... So, okay. So there was that like somehow he thinks Breitbart is like the new Zionist organization? So there was that and then he said if I had any thought that Steve Bannon associated with the alt-right at all you know and he specifically said that You know I wouldn't hire him. I mean Bannon said earlier this year that Breitbart is a platform for the alt right movement so Whether Trump knows that specific fact I doubt but Trump is very very good at sort of Why didn't you bring it up at the meeting Wait for it.

37:21 I want you to call me. I think he's been treated very unfairly. It's very interesting because a lot of people are coming to his defense right now and by the way if you see something or get something where you feel that i'm wrong and you have some info, I would love to hear it. You can call me Arthur can call me but how about that? I didn't hear that offer! I didn't hear this is great what did they do they just told us in this little podcast at the Breitbart say

38:11 Bannon is a creep. Yeah, and he's like you said he's all right or whatever Or the publication is why didn't they bring it up at the meeting? Or won't they call him and tell them hey guess what yeah alright No good That was so fascinating given the severity of the topic And given the number of subjects that Breitbart has covered in the past and how they've covered it It was a bit of a strange gesture. He's saying, tell me if you notice something that I probably could have noticed myself if I went online and found it and if you find it send it to me... And he doesn't go online. See they're already talking themselves out of it! They're already talking like well, so he's saying call me if there is something that I couldn't have found myself with. No, he didn't say that. He said does anything you feel is not in line with what I'm saying?

38:54 Then, with regards to Steve Bannon I think he kind of implied anybody but okay. Bannon then call me and we'll be you know and if he does something against what we stand for here And we'll politely ask him to go, but no instead of that now well This is ridiculous and then just top it off with this last clip Yeah It's what he does Tim sort of make you feel and you and I have taught you described it on a previous podcast You describe the experience of interviewing him as very seductive Do you remember that Michael when you said that? He said it is very guy. I think idea Michael doesn't really want to remember yeah, it was a very seductive experience

39:31 Trump is very good at making you feel as if he's reaching out to you and bringing you in. And so that's what I took that gesture to mean, to me that gesture was You know what? I hear you! I'm with you and I'm not foreclosing it and this is a good faith thing." I suspect that if somebody called him tomorrow with like five examples... ...I don't think it would actually change much. Why didn't you give it a try?! Wow What arrogance! Thank you. You know, I... Why? Why me? What?! Are you okay? That's what she said. Unbelievable. She said... Yeah, unbelievable just unbelievable. It's smugness it's uh there's a bunch of i don't know there's a million words we have an ideal list of words well sanctimoniously smug is our thank them honestly smug actually someone gave me but term

40:23 Sanctimonious git. That's a Britishism. It's in the urban dictionary, a person or conglomerate of two persons who is so far up his or her own or their own collective arsehole... Their own mother wants to run them down! The sanctimonious git takes pictures during a group holiday then tries to charge for them even though everyone else is sharing pictures. Okay maybe not Okay, well still good. Yeah good phrase Well let's go do something that's could jump to it because there's a little explanation of the kind of lazy journalism We're talking about here yeah in in this particular thing and this is kind of an ask Adam oh okay? The Oxford I don't know if you know but the oxford dictionary the oxford boys the boys in In the UK yeah they have decided on their phrase or word of the year yeah III think I know what it is

41:22 Well, what do you think it is? Is it not post truth nuts. Well we talked about it the other day but it's okay Okay well I was gonna do a quiz and now give you a bunch of potential words Post truth to me question. Do you think I read the Internet? But that I wouldn't stumble across this nugget of information. This stuff, I don't get every second of the day and let that glue to it but lets play this because this is an explanation about post-truth And in it they discussed modern journalism Oh good! And how they don't do any... What you just played Is exemplified by the definition

42:05 In the aftermath of media coverage of the US presidential election campaign and Britain's vote to quit the EU, The Oxford Dictionary Group declared post-truth to be its international word of the year. Let us have a look at some other linguistic trends from 2016. It's Oxford Dictionary's Word of the Year, and you'd better get used to it. It means relating to or denoting circumstances in which objective facts are less influential in shaping public opinion than appeals to emotion and personal belief. Basically emotion beats truth here is an example.

42:47 Look what they've been doing to Eastern Aleppo. Hundreds of people were killed Many have called it genocide These children are too young to know what it really feels like to be safe Pulling at your heart strings rather than explaining a complex reality is what post-truth journalism seems to be about Most journalists that work in the corporate media don't have any resources to do any kind of investigation and, in fact, don't want to do an investigation rather echo the lies of politicians as if they were the truth. And this has got us into situations like Libya, like Iraq, like Afghanistan and is likely to get us even more engrossed in the quagmire that is Syria. So we've destroyed countries based on lies."

43:38 And this is... Who put this together? That was RT. Nice, I like it! The whole post- I didn't realize...I never interpreted Post Truth as for mainstream journalism now it makes a lot more sense Yes, and they went on to discuss the fact that the journalists don't have the resources to do investigative reporting. And they don't really have the desire! I think what you just played proves it! They haven't even got the desire to call Trump up When he comes in and they'll sit there because that's where they're working, they're working out of the office at a big building in Manhattan. And they'll talk to him and then afterwards they talk amongst themselves like their little podcast and talk about things they could do or they could have done or didn't do it. They'd rather just make it up as I go along. Everybody wants to be a columnist. You know what happens when journalists pursue the path of post-truth?

44:36 They enter the era of post-profit is what's gonna happen. It's not good. Hey, he sat there and dreamed that one up on a fly! Nah chatroom gave it to me I'll be honest Oh that shit you stole it from the chat? I didn't steal it they're producing for me. Producing Now I do have another thing as kind of an argument well actually this part two if this is play this just a little more This about the other meme Okay Another new concept that's being used to describe our new reality is filter bubble You can become trapped in one by social media when algorithms selectively guess what information you'd like to see But there are also way bigger bubbles than Facebook ones take the bubble the majority of US politicians Media outlets and pollsters got themselves stuck in during the presidential election campaign The idea of a Trump victory had got

45:27 completely filtered out. Of course they all thought Clinton would win. Which Republican candidate has the best chance of winning the general election? Right now, Donald Trump Clinton today is more likely to win. Hillary Clinton's gonna win in a landslide We could be talking landslide Liberal media so upset, visibly upset about Donald Trump's victory You're awake by the way you're not having a terrible terrible dream also they're not dead and haven't gone to hell This is your life now. This is our election now." It's real! It's real, it's real. What if there was a place where the unthinkable didn't happen and life could continue for progressive Americans just as before? Now there is. Welcome to The Bubble. The Bubble is a planned community of like-minded free thinkers and no one else Well not everyone got stuck in that bubble And some of them got their own word too

46:26 Yeah, that was good. That Saturday Night Live bubble. That was pretty funny. Well along with this now we now of course have prop or not you've probably seen this. Oh yeah! And by the way when it comes... This is just a by the way before you go into this because I don't have really any clips on it maybe I'm one. This is The Washington Post's they ran with this and Marty Baron is the one who promoted Marty Barron's the executive editor I believe of The Washington Post This is the most shameful thing. The Intercept, and there's a link in the show notes because I sent you that. Yeah it's in there. Did a takedown on this but a bunch of other people did too, the Fortune magazine. This was a shameful... This was shameful fake news on the part of the Washington Post which is just doing this to an extreme! These guys are killing themselves. This is Jeff Bezos. Anyway. Well so this uh- So the Washington Post

47:26 did a long article about fake news, of course. And they had a blacklist and the black list comes from prop or not dot com which stands for propaganda or not and they have the lists now I'm a little a little insulted that we're not on the list but okay. The people are on the list are ridiculous zero hedge Zero heads, how are they on the list? Corbett report. You may not be your cup of tea but you know it's not fake news No its not fake news Let see what else do we have Yeah just a term... Ron Paul Oh yeah Ron Paul he is on the list Bright parts on the list What I found interesting Is if you look at this website then they have frequently asked questions I guess its under that They have allies

48:22 So they talk about, so they don't really say who they are. We don't know who's behind this but they have allies and their allies are Snopes. It says right here on the website yes our allies are Snopes and Bellingcat okay well you could not have more anti-Russian bloggers involved in your prop or not. This whole thing is, I think you're right it's disgusting the post even linked the story to this. This is really nothing domain name was just registered pretty much. Yeah like a few months ago. The Washington Post obviously that is the fake news operation

49:10 Not only that, but it's... I mean this piece was fake news. It's McCarthyism John, it's Neo-McCarthyism Well a lot of people have said that but it's just a blacklist. I mean blacklists are come and go But well it's ridiculous these guys they should be ashamed of themselves the Washington Post And RT is on the list So it really is about anti-Russia. And this does have consequences, and it will have far reaching consequences for Trump and his announced plans. And the only guy who could tell us about that is of course Professor Steve Cohen, Professor Emeritus... He should be on the list. I'm surprised he's not actually!

49:55 Here is what he believes the challenges will be that Trump will have with Russia. And one issue on which Trump was very different from Mrs Clinton and from the whole foreign policy establishment, was on our relationship with Russia We now this is me speaking not Trump are in a Cold War much more dangerous than the 40 year cold war that we thought it ended There are three places where Russia and America could very easily suddenly be in a hot war. That's the Baltic regions, that's Ukraine and that Syria Trump has said that he wants to do something about it to improve it What he said is very fragmentary but very different from what other people have said He says he wants to work with President Putin He said he thinks it would be great if Russia and United States united to fight terrorism in Syria He hasn't said anything about Ukraine

50:53 But these are pressing issues. If Trump were to move, and he shouldn't do this publicly he should begin privately but if he were to move toward a detente as we used to call it A reduction of conflict in the relationship with Russia And to open cooperation let's say in Syria He will find himself Opposed by a fierce and powerful pro-Cold War coalition, Democratic and Republican. And including the media here in the United States he will have to fight very hard The other side of that story is is that foreign policy Is the one area where an American president

51:38 can do things pretty much on his own. He doesn't need congressional support unless he wants a treaty. The question is, is Trump really going to do it? And you might ask, Is President Putin ready for this? I think he is. But whether Trump will now move we'll see because remember what else happened Sophie, It's very bad On the one hand it was good that there was little discussion of Russia in our presidential campaigns But the discussion was terrible. It was poisonous, the Clinton campaign indulged in neo McCarthyism They accused Trump and anybody who thought Trump had a good idea about Russia policy of being puppets of the Kremlin This is this is beyond disgusting we went through this many years ago in the United States Damaged our country very badly I don't know

52:30 The poison is in our political bloodstream. Will it go away with Trump's victory? I doubt it! Therefore, Trump needs supporters in this country who did not vote for him." So that's what you get when you... It's going to be very difficult and it seems to me that the playbook has just been pulled back out right down to the U-2s flying again. Have you followed this in the news? I mean, we know one crashed remember when we talked about it? Right, this started a while ago before...I mean the U-2 is flying around Yeah Why are there U-2s? What do they say? No, but I think for one reason and one reason only. It's a cold...it's the Dragon Lady. It's the new U-2

53:11 then it's, I think it's just to give an image of the old Cold War. Either that or...I did look to see if there was some big buy? If Lockheed needed to sell a whole bunch of them because this is what the drones are supposed to do they're supposed to provide this aerial support but for some reason we've got the U-2 flying again and the only reason I can think is related to imagery Ah! The U-2s are flying again yes Russia ah cold war how bad Now, my understanding is they have their outfitting you choose with robots. Oh I did know we'll find out our guys will tell us so do you mean turn them into drones? Yeah because it goes so high yeah 70 80 thousand feet yes crazy You can't do that with just a drone and does not enough there no Then this short little clip from Cohen very disturbing he

54:09 He has an idea of what may be playing out before the new administration comes into the White House regarding Obama and Putin, what kind of deal they might make and I think we should take this one serious. Obama and Putin and their advisors because neither man proceeds without consultation with his military intelligence in political aids and yes there is a politics around Putin he has a problem politically in Moscow you know word the ultra-nationalists are convinced that Putin is about to sell out Ukraine in return for Syria with Obama. They have this view that Putin is not a resolute leader and that he will give up their ethnic countrymen and women in Donbass, in Ukraine, in return for protecting Assad and Russian role in Syria That will not happen but that's the real politics of Moscow I like that! He says it's not gonna happen but I don't know

55:07 Yeah, I didn't know no and I didn't know that Putin had some pressure going on regarding that so that's what people think of Putin you rarely hear these things Rarely you never hear him. No and calling they keep them off the air Actually oh I have the I have a the YouTube clip here this was on CNN I'm telling us something going on with this They got special access This is supposed to be as top-secret spy plane but now see CNN's in the cockpit. They got a lot of stock footage too, but they gave them the stock footage... A whole piece! Fighting ISIS in a space suit we can only identify the pilot by his first name Captain Steven and by his call sign Meathead He is about to embark on a high altitude reconnaissance mission taking a U-2 spy plane

55:52 We were given rare access to the preparations, launch and landing of one of these highly secretive missions that have a clear objective. One of the pilots tells me. With the U-2 we're able to get out there find those guys track them get that information back to the fighter types the bomber types so when they go out there they've got the best intel best information about where they are and then obviously do what needs to be done The U-2 can fly extremely high, more than 70 thousand feet and get pictures and other information to forces on the ground very fast. It's a Cold War era plane flying since the 1950s but its cameras and sensors have been completely upgraded

56:32 With its many technological upgrades, the U-2 Dragon Lady remains one of America's main assets in the information gathering effort against ISIS. But of course intelligence gathering happens on many levels and much of it happens through drones like this Global Hawk which patrols in the skies above Iraq and Syria almost every day The information from these surveillance platforms is key to helping jets from the US-led anti ISIS coalition strike their targets in support of forces combating the group on the ground in places like Mosul, Iraq. But while they U2 can soar higher than almost any other plane it's pretty hard to land We're in a chase car that speeds after the jet helping to guide the pilot to the ground after an almost 10 hour mission

57:22 Peeling himself out of the cockpit, Captain Stephen says he believes that U-2 is making a major impact. The things we can do while we're up there as well how often we are up there thanks to the maintenance guys who are constantly in the air providing us support for those who need it most And the need for the U-2 services will remain in high demand While ISIS may be losing ground The group remains both deadly and elusive To me that sounded like a sales job It didn't sound right. No, no it was a Brian the gay crusader actually alerted me to that he said this is weird this is a strange strange goings-on yeah

58:02 I'm not quite sure. Yeah, it's a sale is too many crazy things to say in there the things from the 50s but now it's all upgraded its ready to sell yeah you can buy one two that's what they must be by now well stocks last that's what I thought this time kind of what it sounds like I mean if it sounds to me also the report itself makes it sound like a useless piece of old gear yeah Is it Lockheed Jet Month? Are they doing their like Texas truck mug open house. I'm not sure maybe there we go when we're talking about Russia, we got to talk about our girls. Gangnam Chichicago Chichico. That's right everybody We have the best RT reporter on the case of the State Department guy and Chika Khan And she has a question specifically for John Kirby This is the clip that I started to play The other day and it was the wrong clip You lost it Yeah yeah

58:54 All right. This is about the NATO buildup, so more Russia and well she gets the typical brush off from Kirby and Matt Lee actually came to her defense. Did you have a question? Yeah go ahead. Yesterday you said Russia's deployment of missiles to its Kaliningrad region is destabilizing to European security do you think the largest buildup of NATO forces near the Russian border since the end of the Cold War and the deployment of the missile defense system which Russia sees as designed to contain Russia have in no way contributed to the environment in which Russia is deployed. So, Russia's pointing to these things that are contributing to its actions do you think those

58:02 I'm not quite sure. Yeah, it's a sale is too many crazy things to say in there the things from the 50s but now it's all upgraded its ready to sell yeah you can buy one two that's what they must be by now well stocks last that's what I thought this time kind of what it sounds like I mean if it sounds to me also the report itself makes it sound like a useless piece of old gear yeah Is it Lockheed Jet Month? Are they doing their like Texas truck mug open house. I'm not sure maybe there we go when we're talking about Russia, we got to talk about our girls. Gangnam Chichicago Chichico. That's right everybody We have the best RT reporter on the case of the State Department guy and Chika Khan And she has a question specifically for John Kirby This is the clip that I started to play The other day and it was the wrong clip You lost it Yeah yeah

58:54 All right. This is about the NATO buildup, so more Russia and well she gets the typical brush off from Kirby and Matt Lee actually came to her defense. Did you have a question? Yeah go ahead. Yesterday you said Russia's deployment of missiles to its Kaliningrad region is destabilizing to European security do you think the largest buildup of NATO forces near the Russian border since the end of the Cold War and the deployment of the missile defense system which Russia sees as designed to contain Russia have in no way contributed to the environment in which Russia is deployed. So, Russia's pointing to these things that are contributing to its actions do you think those

59:37 Those things have in no way contributed to the environment in which Russia is putting these missiles. NATO has always been a defensive alliance, it remains a defensive alliance there's no reason why Russia should view NATO in any way shape or form as a threat now if they do they can speak to that not me Do you think the troop build up near Russia and the defense system near Russia help lower tensions with Russia? again it is a defensive alliance always has been uh... there's no reason for anybody in russia to feel threatened by nato's share of to build up the military activities are all operations and i'll tell you just in terms of recent months and years that there would have been no reason for nato too advance and uh...

1:00:25 Commit additional capabilities on the European continent to include American capabilities had it not been for Russia's move in Ukraine. Oh, okay? It was Russia's fault always rushes fault So they did the buildup in Ukraine and that's why we are defensively just putting all these missiles on Russia's border. Okay, Matt Lee came to a rescue to some degree. I'd love how he says that

1:01:04 Well, I'm not gonna ramble like i usually do but something's been bugging me for a year. All right you can hear everyone in the press going really natalie? When you guys sold this it sold the whole idea of missile defense It was always pointed even the last administration always pointed to iran at the press If and then the russians shouldn't worry about it But if the iran deal is such a huge success as you say it is why Is it still necessary? Because Iran continues to pursue ballistic missile capabilities. He's putting him in a great trap here, so wait a minute if I understand the whole deal with Iran was they wouldn't have nuclear capability who are these missiles for then because they're always for Iran but we have the deal how why do we need Iran well because they're A-holes and you sure it's not for Russia

1:01:51 You guys got into the deal that the ballistic missile, you bragged about it at the time that you kept the ballistic missile. I didn't brag about anything Matt! Oh well...you said it was a success that you got the ballistic missiles? I would say that's fact sharing not bragging. I was just fact sharing about my huge long shawm. Iran continues to pursue ballistic missile capabilities and so we continue to believe in the value of a missile defense They are still banned from doing ballistic missile activity, right? For eight years. Seven years now It is certainly part of the deal but we have to... Well if the missile defense system that you want to put in Europe is aimed at only Iran why would you not want to make it not necessary

1:02:49 And why wouldn't you have pushed harder to keep the ballistic missile restrictions in place? I'm not going to relitigate the deal. We continue believing in the power of missile defense on the continent because Iran continues to pursue ballistic missile capabilities Yeah, sure we have an ISO of Kirby's brain during this question Anybody during this after The Russian girl made her commentary and he went about the NATO being defensive only never than anything else What would did anyone bring up to Libya thing which was a nato-led coalition? It's defensive on this rap out of Libby and destabilized area that was nato I say John C. Dvorak for press corps is what I say course Course, how is that defensive was Libya attacking Italy?

1:03:40 It was, well it was they were attacking interests. Interests John. No they weren't! Yes they were oh yes they were at interests United States and ally interest namely the French who begged us to go in there and kill Gaddafi That's what was going on. We did what we did, but I don't see that being defensive. No it's not defensive! This is the last one i got while we're on NATO this is Jens... What's his name? The NATO guy? NATO Secretary General says the time is right for Europe to boost defence spending. Jens Stoltenberg was speaking ahead of a meeting of EU foreign ministers in Brussels

1:04:28 The former Norwegian premier said US President-elect Donald Trump was right to ask Europeans to do more. Oh really? A strong NATO is important for Europe, but it's also important for the United States He also pointed out the importance of increased defence spending that Europeans are stepping up their efforts to invest more in defence and I absolutely agree with him That has been a message from leaders, US leaders for many years. And the good thing is that we now see that Europeans Trump called into question NATO's collective defence pact during his campaign, casting doubt over whether the US would step in and help those who are not meeting the 2% of GDP defence spending target. Current Commander-in-Chief Barack Obama has moved to reassure Europeans that Trump will honour the country's NATO commitments

1:05:23 The alliance was set up after the Second World War and has since become a cornerstone of the global security architecture. But currently only five countries meet NATO's own defence spending benchmarks. Ah, okay... Gee! Maybe Trump had a point. I got something for the Red Book though, I know we can put in there. All right what? Yeah with the you know with the NATO issues with Europe starting its own army they're still just trying to vote on the headquarters here in The Red Book I can tell you right now Europe and it's kind of interesting in light of the SNL skit Europe will receive Iron Dome but to protect them from evil Russia

1:06:05 The same Iron Dome that apparently is in place... The same crappy Iron Dome that barely works, if it works at all. Yeah! In Israel? That can barely protect one city? That iron dome?! Sounds like a sales bonanza to me You'd have to put one around each city. Eh maybe. Put in there. It's gonna be tough sell I don't think they're that stupid Well I would like an entry in the book. That's it, I just wrote it down Okay And I put a smiley face next to it. Okay, well with that... I got one last clip before we take a break that still has something to do with this because i just want to remind people that most of what we witness is historically you know it's not new

1:06:48 And there was a very interesting, and there's a quote within this little spiel. This is John Dickerson, the guy on CBS does Face The Nation who I like he's a very calm guy that seems to be pretty neutral when he does these doesn't get obviously not slanting things too much one way or the other and he did a book recently I don't know the name of it but he was being interviewed on C-SPAN Book TV which you told me to listen so I did This is a very interesting the clip is that he made there's they're talking about Andrew Jackson and apparently there's a very There's a lot of correlations between Andrew Jackson and Donald Trump. Yes, I've been reading these things too Yeah, this is like a meme going around I think this guy I think Dickerson has got a lot to do with it because it's in his book of his but

1:07:38 There's one little gotcha in here, or one little zinger in here that I thought was well worth repeating and listening to. And let's listen to this back and forth. Yeah, I still don't know what the clip is though... With Clarence Page it's with Clarence Page. It's called Jackson Trump comparison. Gotcha! Reserve or its Washington lawmakers or it's the mortgage-backed security hucksters all All are people whose bad decision making savaged the lives of people who weren't a part of the initial decisions that were made. And so that, when I'm reading about Jackson and his feeling about The National Bank

1:08:18 uh... you really feel it feels very, very modern in terms of the anger at people who are making economic decisions that are ruining your life. I thought he was writing Donald Trump speeches there. The language keeps coming back in these different periods of time but What does that say about the American character? Well, you know it's funny. You mentioned Donald Trump and Andrew Jackson. Andrew Jackson said by their abuse they shall elect me which is he was basically talking about the writers at the time right much the same way that Donald Trump plays off of and uses them traditional media

1:08:57 as a foil and says, you know...and benefits from when the New York Times writes something negative about him that helps him with his constituency. Now there's some trickiness with the general electorate because because you know there are some people who still trust what The New York Times writes who were in the electorate. By their abuse, they shall elect me is what Jackson said. And it was the exact same situation because every time and people kept saying oh in fact that post cover that was in the last newsletter at the bottom of all those pictures The New York Post says ah he He said that John McCain's not a patriot. He's done. Yeah, he's done kiss him goodbye.

1:09:44 It was just everything that Trump did. There was the newspapers and some of the lies, it's almost like the 99% thing that we talked about earlier in our show where you just come... Amon Poire comes out and just lies! Lies that 99 percent of everybody believes in climate change or every scientist but it's not true and it just makes people turn against you. The question I have is When she says that, is that because she heard a number and thought it was high enough? And she can just say this. Does she not have the moral fiber to repeat the bogative number to begin with or is it just so... Is she's so delusional that it is deemed okay to exaggerate to make the point

1:10:38 The question is, is she exaggerating or sincerely thinks it's 99%? Or she's exaggerated. Because you're accusing her of lying and... She is lying! Well does lying need to have intent for it to be a lie? You're acting like Comey. Well I am up for the job, you know. No, I don't think so. I think a lie is a lie if you repeat the line and your sincerely believe its true- Or is it opposed truth? It's still a lie It doesn't become not a lie because you think it's true. I mean, yeah that's fine if you're sincere but sincerity is not the question lying is. Hold on let me just take a look at the definition here we go false statement made with deliberate intent to deceive Okay well then your point's well taken an intentional untruth... So she's not lying

1:11:36 I think she's lying, by the way. No matter what...I think it was deliberate. Really? Well so that okay i'll take that but then that goes right into my next question is she lying deliberately because once this has been agreed to the sciences in it really doesn't matter what you say because it's just fact to her it is fact there's no denying that she believes that she believes that it's crazy by the definition she's not lying We need a definition. But you just looked up and I'm glad you did, she's not lying because she's not deliberate. She maybe... Okay! She's a lunatic. She's delusional. She's not lying and the fact that she's not lying when she says 99% is worse. I mean John, she's not lying. She's just a lunatic

1:12:28 The science is in! Science! And with that, I'd like to thank you for your courage and say in the morning to you John C. where the C stands for Cold War Survivor. Dvorak! In the morning to you, Mr Adam Curry in the morning to all ships and sea boots on the ground feeding the air subs in the water all the dames and knights out there. In the morning to The Chatroom Noah Jenda Stream dot com good to see y'all there thanks for the help in the morning to Void Zero Mountain Vortex And of course in the morning to our artists especially Amether AMATHER Who brought us the artwork for episode 880? That was a promise to prosecute.

1:13:10 And he brought us... Now, I wondered because I saw this image in other places. Did he just grab this and not put Hillary's head on the turkey? Because we didn't check it. We just thought that doesn't... That was an easy fix you can put a Hillary's head on the turkey. Right. I have a feeling he may have not done that himself. I'm not sure. Oh, oh! He has to be repulsed. Because I saw someone else tweet the same image like well, did they grab that from us unlike? Well, we'll do a search afterwards and then we'll pull it pull it pull it pull it. We'll pull it you're not allowed to speak You can you can repurpose stuff if you change it substantially and but generally speaking be like original stuff original ideas in original art and we do

1:13:57 That's what we want. I didn't think, because I looked at it and it was so kind of like, looked like something someone would do at the end of the show quickly, quick hack job no offense but it was a way they typically come in when there is just a funny gag and it related to everything that we talked about on this show Hillary getting gagged. Oh no! It was perfect art there was nothing wrong with the art its just... Yeah ideal wise it was dynamite. Okay well maybe not who knows? It's okay. We appreciate it, noagendaartgenerator.com I know everyone does their best so it's okay to all appreciated this is how it works in the value for value model we have no advertising despite the deluge of emails and tweets when I was looking for a pen on Thursday and John started talking about his favorite pen that's not a native ad

1:14:52 If we're getting money, where's the money? How is it a native ad if we're not getting any cash from paper mate. We didn't even get a free pen! So anyone who says that's a native ad can shove it. We have products that we like I have a wine suggestion for today but heaven forbid I give it out because it would be considered a native ad yeah so you don't want wine suggestions you don't want pan suggestions you don't want Software suggestions, you don't want any suggestions whatsoever. Here's the sad part of it Joe Tell me who that was I'm taking him off the mailing list Oh there is a lot of people Okay all of them should be removed they shouldn't even listen to this show So here...here is the problem People have been so mind controlled with ads and I have to say if you look at Jimmy Kimmel Show sometimes they have little bits and Saturday Night Live is doing it And their funny in their adds in their funny adds

1:15:47 But the whole point of The No Agenda Show is that when we say we like something, it's because we actually like it and want to pass the knowledge on to you. In 9 out 10 podcasts, you'll hear people talking about how great certain services are and they're being paid to say in a very conversational way I understand the confusion but this is The No Agenda Podcast And I hope that you don't...I mean you need to untrain yourself from thinking this Well, maybe not. I mean maybe everyone should always be... Yeah you know it's almost impossible. I noticed that when we lost all these people overboard during this whole election cycle because we appear- Because of the way we deconstruct stories we appear to be pro Trump and uh because there was just a way it was turning out because of the people doing with the best work

1:16:40 was the Hillary people. They were doing the best work of propagandizing the public, and so we end up deconstructing that to most... Trump as you heard in that earlier New York Times clip was bypassing the mechanisms and going straight to the public with a plea. And that was different, so there was nothing to deconstruct it. You could just read his tweets. There's nothing there but tweets So it's just a shame, but I felt that a lot of the reasons that people stopped listening and then...I can name names of people that were always contributing. They're always helping to show out and they've now kind of backed off a little bit much in the same way that Adam lost his pals, The Doctor and his wife.

1:17:24 that moved inside the bubble of the state of California. I had a guy who wrote me this nasty note saying, it was all bullcrap what you're saying about the California thing. And what I'm gonna say it again, I had to re-explain it to him and he never wrote me back. Which is that if you take California out of the equation insofar as this popular vote myth is concerned just pull California take all their votes for Trump and Hillary away Trump wins the country by a large margin at popular vote. It's just that California...I put it in the newsletter or showed it it's like almost like three plus million I think something about raises the number because

1:18:04 Trump couldn't get into the state to promote himself if he wanted to because they were not allowing him. It was terrible. And they got like, she got like 70 plus percent of the vote in California so that she wins all these numbers which is why the electoral college exists otherwise what we just turn over the country to California and let them run everything into the ground like they've done here. Well what I always say when people say hey man you know this is exactly...and there's a lot of talk about this. I don't know if you saw Larry Lessig's post I put the Larry Lessig thing if you notice, a newsletter. Yeah of course in there it wasn't in the... Right but yeah but just I read the whole thing. Yeah I read it. Yeah Larry Lessig comes out on The Washington Post again The Washington Post the same operation that has the fake news The Washington Post and he says that well we should elect all college to just put Hillary in who gives a crap what the public wants? That's what it said What I thought was more interesting

1:19:04 is, I have it here. It says only twice in our past has the Electoral College selected a president against the will of the people once in the 19th century and once on the cusp of the 21st In 1824 was Congress that decided the election for John Quincy Adams likewise in 1876 it was Congress that gave disputed electoral college votes to Rutherford B Hayes and they say or he says I should say In both cases, I know he's talking about Bush v. Gore, he says the result violated what has become one of the most important principles governing our democracy—one person one vote." Now he incorrectly says our democracy because we're a republic but okay you're a professor what the fuck do I know? In both cases the votes of some weighed much more heavily than the votes of others today the vote of a citizen in Wyoming is four times as powerful as the vote of a citizen in Michigan The vote of a citizen in Vermont is three times as powerful as a vote in Missouri

1:20:07 This denies Americans the fundamental value of a representative democracy. Again, we have a republic. Equal citizenship yet nothing in our Constitution compels that result." Here it comes. Instead if the electoral college is to control who becomes our president we should take it seriously by understanding its purpose precisely. It is not meant to deny a reasonable judgment by the people. It is meant to be a circuit breaker just in case the people go crazy so And then he closes out by saying, in this election the people did not go crazy. The winner by far of the popular vote is the most qualified candidate for president in more than a generation. Like her or not, no elector could have good faith reason to vote against her because of her qualifications. Choosing her is thus plainly within the bounds of reasonable judgment by the people." I assert that the electoral college did their job by keeping the actual crazy person out! This is the part that is

1:21:07 You know, there's broken on Lessig part. He says he's a knee jerk liberal and as far as he is concerned there's no nobody should be in the presidential office unless they're a Democrat it's that simple right? And he's just looking for grasping at straws and this is the worst case scenario for him and this is what he's writing This is talking about a democratic system or in your right It's a republic not a democracy The circuit breaker is to keep California from just dominating everything. That's the ones who went nuts and made the popular vote go for her, again take California out of it which is a nutty state. Take those votes away and she doesn't win so how do you rationalize that? In other words the whole country is wrong and California is the only state that's right You're onto something John they should secede I think they should Yeah I'm all for it

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1:33:09 We bought a bunch of entry-level DSLRs for summer photography class for kids 7 and up. Soon after, we let them take the cameras out and about and they took some great photos! We sent a bunch to get printed and matted And were offering them for sale to buy more gear in order to expand the program for Kids Wedding In The Wings. We are teaching these kids legitimate photography not selfies or iPhone picture taking Well I said that's good... We have partnered with local professional photographers these kids various aspects of photography going forward. So you go to store dot NW Discovery Lab dot org and it's a mouthful with the link is a link in the show. Yeah, links in the show notes looks pretty good actually was my stuff. And he has a PS people can now buy JCDs grandkids work that oh I couldn't read that. That's their unique selling proposition right there by art made by John's grandkids who?

1:34:03 My goodness. Well, I'm sure it's the you know you shoot a thousand pictures there's always a winner in there always something in that It's the old spray and two ways have always looked at the I do a lot of people are still know a lot Of professional photographers. I like to shoot but there's two typically types of guys. There's the one guy who shoots and goes crazy, shoots thousands and thousands of shots then he goes over each one and picks the two that are gems. And then there's the other guy which is the one that is very interesting. He's the guy who sets up a shot, shoot it once, nails it. That guy is like... Those are the guys I ran into these days

1:34:46 I ran into one of these guys, he's a very high end photographer and he shoots 8 by 10s. Oh beautiful! There is a Hasselblad... 8x10 negative. Hasselblad the big bed No no, Hassleblads are very small format compared to 8 x 10. This is inches oh shit! Inches by inches. Oh my god I was thinking centimeters yeah this is yeah And so he'll set up a shot. I did a shot for a book thing with this guy He could get the makeup people come in and move you around and they do this powdery and they Move the lights running it takes a couple little polaroids, and then he puts them giant Probably cost 20 bucks for one of these negatives and the thing shoots at once he's done yeah Yeah, there's more than one shot yeah, no I know photographers like this very they're few and far between that do this

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1:36:28 I wanted to give you a little insight and thought i had regarding what no one seems to really know is who's going to be doing what within the Trump administration. So, I rescind my Secretary of Defense pick to Mad Dog he'll be the guy... What was his name again?

1:37:05 Mad Dog Mattis. So it seems like he's going to be the Secretary of Defense and I got a little insight into Clapper's resignation Because there's been a lot of this, actually the New Yorker did a huge hit piece on Michael Flynn calling him a nut job which was pretty interesting. And of course what happened was you know Flynn was the guy who was out running around boots on the ground getting stuff done changing the way the military does intelligence The pencil pushers in DC didn't like that and so they fired him and guess who fired him? Clapper!

1:37:43 So this is no coincidence. He didn't want to be fired by the guy he fired? No, of course not. Clapper gave him like nine months to get the heck out. Um so yeah, so Clapper's maybe I should leave now but i had a thought for Secretary of State because we've had tons and names running around uh you're floating around all even Mitt Romney who actually might not even be such a bad pick except he's such a dick douchebag But all of a sudden it hit me and it would mess with everybody's head. It would be great for our show in the media because we get, you know to bring back lots of old fake news well not really fake news but You can see how the news works ready for my pick? As long as its not Petraeus Nope Dan Quayle No

1:38:35 I'm telling you this is a genius pick. No, you're right it would be it would screw up everybody but of all the guys who are gonna he's not going to know there's not even in his cards okay okay? I could put in the red book if you want but it's not going anywhere that idea It just struck me all of a sudden and he's been uh you know He's supportive of Trump. He's been doing a couple of um You know couple of Q&A sessions here and there. I know we should pick now We're gonna do this game. I got one alright Jeb Bush. Come on! No, no... I'll just tell you the reason why Dan Quayle would be there He went around the world as the- for Bush

1:39:19 He did as many miles as Hillary Clinton. He was a part of all the deals, yeah he just...he's media friendly but unfriendly for himself you know? He comes across as an idiot and media loves Cranklin. Yeah he runs a huge company! Yeah I was told by a friend of mine in DC who remained nameless but is highly connected that he knows Quayle He's just, Quail is an extremely intelligent guy. Yeah! It's kind of I guess he just presents himself as a doofus. No he just yeah... He-He's clumsy but Cerberus? I mean this is that's a big company that he's running it's no joke. He's not gonna quit that company to work for this go back into government there's no way. Well now well I don't think Jeb would be a Jeb wouldn't be no good. Petraeus is the guy that gets mentioned the most now. To me not a great pick

1:40:16 Yeah, I can't. I don't like him. I agree yeah his code name is p4 by the way betray us Yeah Everyone has a as an abbreviation yeah And you know I'm getting all these text messages and your actions more through signals on if you call it text message And you know sometimes like what the hell? What the hell are they talking about now so Trump is DJT that's easy Flynn is MF But P4 F MF I couldn't figure out P4, was it? Petraeus. P4 four-star general. Petraeus. P4 Yeah you should take a look at what's gonna... Well here's an interesting little thing about him He is a favorite insider for something for sure he was also kicked out by Clapper Also kicked out by Clapper

1:41:06 Yeah, Klepper's a bad guy. Well you don't have to deal with him. Although I you know me and Patrasche so far as our show is concerned is that I just dislike his carrying on with that with his outfits. Yeah it is a little over the top isn't it? It's like, come on. You're not a General Lee Simone Chile. Get it? You know, that's where you got to do another. We lost a bunch of other listeners during that little era because of these guys who won't recognize the fact that generals can design their own uniforms. We are the only podcast we have. The only podcast is riding our listenership all the way to the bottom They get all irked, they're like oh no they can't it's against the military rules and then I show them the exact section of the military law where it says that generals can design their own uniforms. And then they never...then they quit the show! I know, it was pretty bad. Pretty bad. Supposed to do. Yeah

1:42:02 Here's a good one. This is like they're trying to soften Trump up a little bit, they got that mad dog Mattis guy in there. Trump is using some of his picks to change his positions and again instead of the left celebrating oh he's dropped that horrible idea and now he's gonna do this instead of that they don't do that they go ah we have flip flopper! And you know what? The flip-flopping thing is what you used to demean somebody during an election, not after an election. During the debates and stuff that's when you use the flip-flopper stuff Yeah what was the point of saying that now? It's like stupid but let's play Trump political picks and waterboarding

1:42:44 Was a very sharp Trump critic does it seem that trump wants the team of perhaps dissenters around them or at least not? A bunch of yes men Yeah, and that's what's getting very interesting about this Nikki Haley was somebody who is very critical about the muslim ban for example And you would think she would have no place in a trump administration and neither would would rama The fact that in the case of Haley, she's actually been nominated as a U.S. ambassador to the UN, that suggests a change here but I think it may be an even bigger one is look what's going on with retired General James Mattis when Donald Trump went to talk to The New York Times he signaled real flexibility on a big issue which is waterboarding which critics of course call

1:43:23 torture. And during the campaign Donald Trump said he wanted to bring back waterboarding to get tough on terrorists, but then told the New York Times a couple of days ago hold on a second I talked to James Mattis about that and he says it doesn't work and so basically i've changed my position now critics are going to say wait a second he's a flip-flopper He's backpedaling. He said one thing in the campaign, now he might govern a different way but there is another way to look at that of course Doug and it is that the critics of Donald Trump including The New York Times said this was somebody who was unstable you can't trust him his temperament to be commander-in-chief if he someone willing to go behind closed doors with a retired

1:44:00 general with the respect of James Mattis and say, you know what? You make a good point. I'm going to rethink this. It shows more flexibility and maybe a better temperament than his critics thought. Yeah, I often look at Trump as pure negotiator in every relationship he has. He starts out with the hard line and is subject to give-and-take depending on how the negotiation goes. And it's been a transition that is keeping with Donald Trump style. One case in point there is Dr Ben Carson saga Yeah, well that shows a willingness to listen I guess. There is a problem though there's a problem and the very interesting guy of just one of Trumps best friends...I think he was a hedge fund guy young guy can't remember his name but you know billion billionaire and he was over in the UK needed this interview with BBC and from that came from him out of his mouth directly it's in this report I think it's in this report

1:45:00 We said, oh yeah we're so pro-gay that even Elton John's gonna be performing. But yeah but that wasn't true. What the left does in our society is they want to censor and make politically correct everything in the society and the average person sort of tired of that. And so I don't agree with that headline you just said. I'm also a gay rights activist. You know look it up. I've given to American Unity Pact. I've given to Human Rights Campaign. Oh I know your record! on for marriage equality. And so, you know and by the way this will be the first American president in US history that enters the White House with a pro-gay rights stance Elton John is going to be doing our concert on the mall for the inauguration

1:45:44 That turned out to be a little premature. But, you know this is what's interesting is which musician... Now there's all we already know there's no money in the music business anymore but it really is none who's going to perform? Don't we always have a performance who will step up? Who's gonna be? Who performed at the inauguration of 2008 for Obama? Aretha Aretha Franklin performed? You sure? Yeah, I'm sure. I'm sure. What did she do? Aretha Franklin sang! She sang live at the inauguration it was yeah hmm well maybe beyond... 2012 who did 2012? No no it's beyond my B-12 dosage but I don't remember so what you're saying is not that important

1:46:40 Well, it is a couple garage bands. How about Green Day? Oh wait they hate Trump. Did you see them on the American Music Awards? Green Day that's a gay band I mean the guys gay oh but Billy Joe yeah he's not gay are you kidding Billy Joe is gay? Yeah he's tremendously gay. No! Billy Joe Gay yes sorry to disappoint you well yeah he's gay oh yeah no He doesn't say he's gay. Yeah Hmm, he does say it's good no. No in fact. He says he's he's no longer sure he's bisexual So he's already edging away and now he thinks he's gay BJ is not gay

1:47:22 Okay, fine. I don't care. But on the American Music Awards he changed the lyrics of the song and started chanting No Trump KKK no fascism in USA! No Trump no KKK no fascism in USA! He probably won't be performing then... No, I don't think he'll be performing Unless he wants to do that song I did catch a piece of Pence, you know the true operator. The chief operating officer of the United States to come elect regarding the Hamilton fracas and i really like this he's a cool customer man Let's play this for a second. It's not really special, but it just shows you how he speaks. We don't hear much from him. No he is pretty even keeled that's for sure yeah Well first off my daughter and I and her cousins really enjoyed the show Hamilton is just an incredible production There is a little gotcha in here...I don't know if you'll catch it Incredibly talented people

1:48:19 It was a real joy to be there. When we arrived, we heard a few boos and some cheers and I nudged my kids and reminded them that's what freedom sounds like. But at the end, you know, I did hear what was said from the stage and I can tell ya, I wasn't offended by it. I'll leave it up to others whether that is appropriate venue for saying this but that the basic element is the center of that message is one that I want to address and that is, I know this is a very disappointing time for people that did not see their candidate win in this national election. I know this is a very hard time for some people and I just want to reassure people that what President-elect Donald Trump said on election night he absolutely meant from the bottom of his heart. He is preparing to be the president of all

1:49:12 of the people of the United States of America and to watch him bringing together people of diverse views, bringing together people that differed with him strongly. Seeing him talk to leaders around the world like I just want her I just want to reassure every American that in the days ahead i'm very confident they're going to see president-elect Donald Trump and be a president for all of the people. Now wait for it... We embrace that principle, and we're going to work hard to make that principle every day that we serve And just to button Hamilton gate up do you want or expect an apology? Well I as i said i would just leave that others whether there was appropriate venue for them

1:49:53 You know, I will tell you Chris if you haven't seen the show go to see it. It is a great great show and you know And I'm a real history buff and so I my daughter and I and her cousins really enjoyed it Now why does he laugh at the end there? Is that because he's he said I'm a real history buff We really enjoyed it is because it's historically dumb or incorrect that was my immediate thought I don't know. That's a good question, it has to be. Chris Wallace is kind of an upper class elite snoot. Yeah but it's Pence who was laughing. No you sure? Yeah so Pence says well my real history buff and my daughter and I really enjoyed it because... Are you sure Tim? You saw this as a video? Yes yeah listen to it again. I would leave that to others whether that was the appropriate venue for that but

1:50:47 But, you know I will tell you Chris if you haven't seen the show go to see it. It is a great great show and you know and i'm a real history buff so my daughter and her cousins really enjoyed it." I just wonder... To me was just like a little thing that was annoying. Did he laugh because it was black people pretending to be white people? Why was he laughing? I didn't like it I don't know. I have no idea, maybe that's why it did because it is not what you would call history. It was an entertainment vehicle that has memes of the era supposedly put into song and sung in

1:51:28 But you know I mean right it was just all dramatized. Yeah, just like yeah, I don't know I just did not I'm a history of and I saw that thing That was funny no Well he was magnanimous and more by say generally okay. They booed me what are you gonna? Do yeah oh At least they didn't take a shot at me in the theater, Mrs. Lincoln." I made some reference like that. Oh man! Well here this could be an Ask John really... I played a clip on... let me see if i still have that one handy uh yeah played a clip the other day from that professor or the author

1:52:14 who used the n-word on CNN and pretty much made Brooke Baldwin cry. Remember that? Yeah, of course. I'll just play that for a second just that one bit Let's bring in CNN political commentator and Trump supporter Paris Dennard also Charles Kaiser is with us He's a CNN dot-com contributor and the author of multiple books Including the cost of courage the story of how one French family fought the Nazis during at the Paris occupation gentlemen welcome and uh... thank you charles let me just begin with you i mean now that your hearing we're getting some of the information coming out of this new york times meeting that trump is disavowed this particular group enough for you well i'm delighted at my

1:53:02 Mr. Trump has visited my alma mater at the New York Times and said that he doesn't want to do this anymore, but I want to give him a little advice for the future if he does not want to stimulate the alt-right first thing you should never retweet someone with the name white genocide who lists his address as Jew America That's what he did in February He should never ask his supporters again to give the Nazi salute which he did it a rally in March That's not a good idea In July, I think it was a mistake when we say that in march he asked his supporters to raise and pledge their support to his candidacy and promised a vote for him there's plenty of video behind that, then of course in july retreated image of his opponent with the six pointed jewish star on it. I thought that was a mistake but we have bigger problems here also in July you know he selected as its vice president the most homophobic man in american public life person who believes that gay people actually do not have the right to exist

1:54:00 And then, you know if you don't want to support the alt-right Don't choose as a White House counselor A man who uses the word nigger Whose wife says that he did not So that was the shot that was heard round the world Because a white man said nigger on TV Woohoo! Okay Here's the question for you John in the CNN guidelines. Are you allowed to use the word nigger or do you have to use N-word? Or can certain people use it, what is...what is.. What do you think the guidelines are?" I think the guidelines would be if your black you could use it." You think they actually have that written down? I would write what I'd right. Well this came to a head the other night with our overnight sensation Don Lemon and actually was uh...Brolf was on this. This was a huge argument

1:54:50 about whether he can use that word or not. We should not sanitize that word by saying this person called such and such the n-word No, that person didn't call that person the N-word That person called Sonny I know you're gonna get upset That person called you are that person a nigger They didn't say the N-word I CAN'T BELIEVE DON THAT YOU AS AN AFRICAN AMERICAN MAN IS GOING TO USE THAT WORD JUST SO EXCLIPTEDLY Of course because we're using it Words matter and you should know that I do know that. I have said the entire time that i've been here, I don't think we should bastardize a word... ...I don't think it should be used freely in songs over and over again. We shouldn't use it at all! If you're using it in context of a story and it is relevant, you should be able to say it. In fact, I encourage people to say it because- You're encouraging people to use it?

1:55:35 Because you should hear the impact of the word. No, I'm not encouraging people to call people the n-word. I'm using it historically if you are if I am a journalist journalists are part of the record It is our job to convey the truth and to tell people reality. It's also our job to realize that there are certain words that should not be used It is also our job to use our conscience, to use our journalistic conscience. To make sure that you do not use words that are offensive. Just like you wouldn't get on air as an expletive. you're both in the last two hours I've interviewed Cornell Brooks, the president of the NAACP. Mark Morial, the president of the National Urban League they both wish that word would not be uttered why do you have to use that word instead of saying the N-word? You don't have to use it word I wish that weird would not be uttered at which people would not call each other but your honoring yourself

1:56:32 But but I'm not calling someone the word. I mean journalist, I'm supposed to use it we're supposed to Wow poor Don Thank you Dynamite well and he did say earlier in that I don't think I had any clip that You is CNN says you can use it if you use an historical context well That's good progressive Yeah, well ahead of the game good to go nice. You seem to get rid of the word so what are you gonna? Do yeah Okay, let's go to well I just have a couple things yep Let me get my glasses. I do feel that Don Lemon should put a trigger warning and you know maybe yeah Probably sure they should

1:57:25 Well, just a trigger warning. So the word nigger may be used in this show. Nigel Farage wants to be the ambassador of United States so he's quoting himself. Trump wants him to be the ambassador? Yeah, of course you do! Let's listen how this evolves on CNN they have him on for God knows how long and this woman doesn't know what to do with him But you've got to keep them on. The House of Commons, and you may be able to find one of them. Yes? The House of Commons where they sat around this was about six months ago They sat around trying to ban Trump from coming to the UK And they maybe called him everything under the book in the house of commons They call them a buffoon A clown an idiot I have a little bit of that if you want to hear it Yeah let's play a little bit of that Britain is pretty good at roasting beef Do not think its better we just roast Trump

1:58:29 At that point about 1.6 billion Muslims, thank God there are not 1.6 billion Trumps His policy to close borders is bonkers Donald Trump is free to be a fool but he's not free to be a dangerous fool in Britain He is a wazook! His words are not comical his words are poisonous Donald Trump is a buffoon Buffoonery Dark and offensive Nasty, abusive racist tweets. Not a criminal, a buffoon! A buffoon? Bring him here let us have the opportunity to challenge him and let him go home with his tail between his legs and ultimately buffoonery should not be met with the blunt instrument of a ban but with the classic British response of ridicule. Hey, buffoon! A buffoon I tell you...a buffoon

1:59:20 So they, this woman who's on CNN the interviewer she doesn't know this. Oh boy! And she brings up some very interesting points in these two clips but let's start with clip one. Well here is the thing and this is what critics say... Ah this is Carol CNN Facebook dot com slash carolcnn oh cool I like her She's a moron Yes, she is a moron. She's kind though. She's not offensive in the morning. No but you think she knows something? No...she always looks like she's gonna cry Well here's the thing and this is what critics say You actually met and talked with Mr Trump before the British Prime Minister did They say that's not a great message to be sending to Britain's prime minister What do you think

2:00:01 Well, it's unfortunate isn't it that nearly the entire British government said derogatory things about Donald Trump and his team during the election campaign. So they're not getting off on a very good start whereas I said that whilst I didn't agree with every single thing Mr Trump said, I felt his direction of travel was absolutely right and I have to say since November 8th I think he is being magnanimous in victory and calling for unity, I think it's really good news. Well some say he is not being overly lovely magnanimous in reaching out to the British Prime Minister He has called nine world leaders before he actually talked with the British Prime Minister And it seems that some people that relationship between Britain's prime minister and the president of United States won't be as warm as historically has been

2:00:53 Well, I think there are some fences that need to be mended and that's because of the nature of the negative things That were said by senior Conservative politicians in Britain about Donald Trump and his candidacy. And that's what I would like to do I would like to try To act as a little bit of a middleman to try men some of this so that we can get on with some really important work Now she obviously doesn't know anything about that about the buffoonery About these but The House of Commons actually having a meeting to ban his entry into the United States permanently. Yeah, yes I remember it And calling him one name after another She was clueless about that you could tell because she asked the same question twice That was only in January 21st of 2016 so not even a year ago It wasn't that long ago You remembered it? Hello! Of course I remembered it

2:01:46 So here we go with the second part of this where he actually pretty much promotes himself. He wants to be the ambassador and Trump wants him to be an ambassador, and he's got a rationale for this. And I think he'd be the only one who could do it because everybody else is on record as insulting him! It's up to the British government so you know...I would say to Downing Street that i'm here to help if you want me Okay, on that note you did write on Breitbart quote like a bolt from the blue Trump tweeted out that I would do A great job as the UK's ambassador to Washington your prime minister did not exactly welcome the interference from an American politician And and the first Minister of Wales said if you got that job it would be like giving a child birth

2:02:29 a chainsaw. So was that the right thing to do on Mr Trump's part? Well I wouldn't take the Prime Minister, I wouldn't take the First Minister of Wales very seriously in anything that he says it is remarkable people with low level ability can reach so high in politics as far as the prime minister is concerned look I'm at different political party and they tend to view things in a very tribal way what I have heard are lots of voices in business In the United Kingdom saying wouldn't this make sense and actually there is some historical precedent for it You know, we go all the way back to Kennedy's time. You know He definitely had a say in who the British ambassador was in those days Who was slated to be the British Ambassador? Really huh? Yeah, but you mean instead of Farage nobody yet Okay But there is that like the ambassador sits in the embassy

2:03:23 Yeah, yeah. The ambassador sits in the embassy gets a good salary and pension... No they'll never let him do it. Parties of course but the problem is the spy part and the embassies are always the spy headquarters They're not gonna allow them. Usually the British and French and some of these high-end really party like especially American Ambassador to France for example They don't tend to be spies But they're always harboring the spies in the embassies. Oh no, the embassy is filled with spies! That's what I'm saying. Yeah that's not true. They can't trust him with all of his spy craft

2:04:01 I don't think they need to. He's just going to be boozing it up the whole time." I'm all for it! I mean, I'm all for Farage boozing it up in DC. I'm down. Yeah, maybe we can invite him on this shit gig. That would be fantastic. Now there is something that this program is uniquely qualified to discuss. You cannot really get this conversation or the remedy for this global issue that is taking place right under our feet And I of course speak of the African ant super colony poised to invade the planet. Oh, this is a species of ants? Yes you do! Have you not heard about this? You'd think i would have... yes!! This is the Lepicota Ant

2:04:55 a species of ant from the forests of Ethiopia, and they look poised to become a globally invasive species capable of spreading around the world disrupting ecosystems and becoming a pest for humans. What kind of ant? What's their sociology? There is ant sociology? Oh yeah! For example... I'll go over this we've done this before i'l do it again The Argentinian Ant for example which is The one that has taken over California and trying to get into Oregon, but it's mostly California right now. I know also Argentina and the whole way up. It has a different social structure than most ants. And for example if you're in hive 1 and there is another ant colony across the street in hive 2... I have your answer! I have the sociology.

2:05:44 Okay, well let me finish this. Yes the if I'm a part of colony one and my colony gets wiped out... ...I am gladly accepted into Colony 2 as a fellow ant as opposed to most ants which will kill me! Damn, this ant business is serious Oh yeah Alright The species Lepiciota canisens is showing signs it forms supercolonies, which are colonies comprised of more than one nest. These supercolonies allow a single species of ant to spread out over large territory—a key step toward becoming an invasive species." This concerns a group of researchers from various institutions in America and Ethiopia who published the study on the ants this week in their journal Insectes Sociales, which would be social insects

2:06:33 They observed one similar species of ant in the same genus, the Lepiciota have invaded South Africa's Kruger National Park and another temporarily shut down Australia's Darwin Port after the ants were discovered amongst the cargo. So they're on a loose! Well, I would like to see what happens when this colony the African colony the Ethiopian ants are they big or they small? What's the size. I'm seeing them here They have just killed a termite and they look to be about half the size of the termite

2:07:12 I would like to see them up against the Argentinian ant and see what happens if you have, like put 20 of these ants and 20 Argentinian ants in the same room. See what happens? I would also like to see when one hive is near our Argentinian hive. And then we still have the fire ants which are here and there and they're pretty nasty and they will kill everything. Yeah. Uh...I don't know! I think it's a challenge to get inroads into the American Ant hegemony Yeah, because our ants just don't want any old Ethiopian ants just taking over. I wouldn't think Unless the fear that I have, Ants! I'm sorry? The fear that i have. The fear yeah. Ant wise is that these ants come over and make friends and make allies of the Argentinian ants and they live in harmony tearing up the place Is that possible do ants from different tribes do that often It's to the limit of my knowledge okay

2:08:10 Well, there is something here about the Argentinian ant which perhaps the most famous example of the super colony builder. Of course we have the ants spread across roughly two and a half thousand miles of Western Europe including parts of Spain France Italy and Portugal in the US California is home to an Argentinian ant super colony spanning more than 500 miles that's because in their non-native habitats they can thrive Um, once in a region the invasive ants drive out native ant populations and through ant war- And though Ant Wars... Man. ANT WARS may seem- This is- Hey! This is at least a cartoon but maybe a feature film. Ant wars. ANT WARS You thought you'd seen all the problems in the world and then came the ants

2:08:57 The Argentinian ants assault on native California ant species has also led to declines in predators that fed on those native ants such as the coastal horned lizard. Let me see... No, so there's nothing else here I wonder if they're just trying to get some money to study this ant Well, maybe. Possible. Anyway would you please keep an eye on that because you are the resident and expert? Yeah I will look into this this is something that i have to be concerned about already yeah thank you okay uh i just i'm this is a clip they had left over from thursday i don't know why it's here i think we'll just play this but i guess there was a an idea to keep it in here this was regarding here's the name of the clip i don't know what it is trump press pool versus obama oh okay i remember what it

2:09:50 This is, you know Trump remember he dumped his press corps and it's horrible. He's not doing it right and he's not following... I ditched him! Yeah he's not following protocol and tradition doesn't exist tradition and all that crap well but you know just remind everybody uh that The Obamas were not much better. In another rebuke to the press, Trump denied access to his meeting with the Japanese Prime Minister later in the week There was a photo taken it was a handout photo which means it's basically visual press release most major news outlets agreed worked together and agreed not to show the photo as a form of protest Can you believe that? I know we talked about that thing briefly but still bugs me It does bug ya What is their job?!

2:10:39 to report the news. But they feel that all they've got is a photo, they run the photo or they don't run the photo but if they're not going to run the photo that has to be an editorial decision it's not done as a protest if you said editorially I think this photo stinks can we get anything else? No! We just write a little story That's fine but now so I'm not running it as a protest and notice that's not fine And notice they coordinated They coordinated. Yeah, yeah. A bunch of snivelers! Hey one question I forgot... Do you think that the Ethiopian Anthony tastes good? I'm sure somebody knows. Will it be crunchy? Peppery? They're all peppery i'm pretty sure. Okay

2:11:20 Let's continue. So let's talk about this rocky start. Yeah, there's any reason to think it might get better so Ben we have seen some access this weekend President-elect Trump greeting visitors to his golf resort Do you think this is a positive sign something? We should we should actually be acknowledging and thanking him for or just the kind of bare minimum the bare minimum acceptable standard for access to the president

2:11:59 Well, look I think the expectation that he's going to make himself available to the press is a good one. And I hope that he does do that especially after he becomes president. I think there may be some different standards for presidents-elect than president but Ann would know better then I would But beyond that you know the fact is that the press access for last eight years has been quite terrible and many members of the press have complained about this The White House was releasing its own photos and tapes of events not really allowing the press to cover it in way that the press wanted to cover for years the DOJ was targeting people at the AP. I mean there's been a lot of problems between the White House and press long predating Donald Trump." You see what i'm hearing here? This is, well they're just saying well he's not following protocol because they want to get back to where they were already been shut out by Obama

2:12:44 Yeah, that's what he was saying. And I remember because they have that staff photographer. I remember that too. Obama is always bitching about the press. That's not an excuse for Trump to not do the right thing here but it is worth putting in context. The right thing? Is what protocol is, you know tradition the right thing what we want with the press damage who do you think you are? You podcaster. That wasn't with Obama administration versus say the Bush administration or Clinton administration well I don't think President Obama has a perfect record on this very often in meetings that he holds within the White House conducting the office of president

2:13:20 uh... the white house will offer us a still photograph or put their own video on the white house dot gov website well at the kind of that kind of meetings which traditionally with his predecessors oppressed pool would always come in and get some video in person watching the president rather than be handing them to me being handed material that's the new media age we've given the tools of journalism including twitter to the president sent to the candidates may you see if he met her starting to realize they're screwed and they all think that they have handed Twitter, the press handed Twitter. No no well you're watching the slow motion demise of the press it's real slow motion I don't know if this show will outlast the crash but it's happening. It's yeah and it's been happening for a while yeah it actually began with television

2:14:14 If you really want to look at the numbers and you want to look the ways things are going, during the Nixon administration it was getting so bad that the media had to have these joint operating agreements on these various cities. This is what happened in San Francisco, happened in Los Angeles... Was that for advertising? You mean for the advertising? Yeah right they did what they did was their losing their ass and this is before Craigslist! But they're doing this again aren't they? these deals in markets. And it would be the same newspaper, usually one in the afternoon and one in the evening. The evening papers all got... Or I'm sorry, one in the morning and one of the afternoon. And the afternoon papers all died because of TV! It was TV that was impinging people were going to watch TV to get their news because the reports were easier to digest or they didn't want to read a lot. I don't know. Yeah. I think a lot of it had do with the designs and way they were presenting the news like look at old newspapers in the newspaper reading room once in awhile you get at Cal. You mean your basement?

2:15:24 It's not Cal. I don't have, well I do have a lot of stuff nowadays and all this online but it's like they've been scrambling since the 70s and it just keeps ratcheting down just been accelerating I think a little bit because of the internet but they're just oblivious to it or they don't know what to do. By the way, I could solve this problem for them in 24 hours that would be solved. They would be solved for everybody but there are two chicken shit to do it Okay, you ready? The fix is obvious. The only reason why advertising works on radio and television just make it simple but we'll add in the web I mean, sorry newspapers the only reason is because they have agreed to standards and organizations that oversee these standards known as circulation or ratings

2:16:18 that Nielsen doesn't actually know how many people are watching. They don't know if people are brain dead in front of the TV, all the things you hear about podcasts. Well they downloaded it but we don't know if you listen to it? No you don't know! You don't know... I mean with radio you have some diaries still so people are apparently being honest although a lot of people writing and listening to The NO Agenda Show may not work very well for your overall ratings hit Z100 um and they would only agree okay this is the standards body and we agree to this Then it would be a game over. As long as they can have an industry-wide support of whatever the metric is, it would work but they're afraid to do it because then they really have to compete that's why its not happening That is the answer 24 hours and I've got it done What did you do?

2:17:09 I would just create a standards body until everyone... There is standard rates and data. There's a bunch of standards bodies for newspaper advertising. No, no, I'm saying online. Online there is no single standards body. Oh! I thought you said this was the way to save the newspapers? Yeah by going online. I'm sorry didn't make it clear if they're online with their little podcasts and they've been in their stories and they have some form of actually accepted agreed-to metric that every one's onboard with You could even call it hits. I don't give a shit what it is, It doesn't matter Here's my take on what your take is Alright It would accelerate their demise Why do you have to give my plan away? Damnit They would be toast overnight Thankyou And most of these podcasts would be too Yes! Yes... yes But okay Unless they adopted our specific model

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2:23:52 I can play the tonette a little bit. But to record it, I don't know how anyone plays this thing! If you blow harder it changes the note without changing any of the notes. Someone's gonna say, oh this guy is an idiot. Okay... Yeah? I am an idiot. Possibly. Like I'm not going to do anything, I got the thing locked down so there's no fingering and I have them listen. Oh that hurts. That hurts You can't play a single song on that thing? I mean, even I can play a song on the recorder or the Tonette. The Tonette I could probably play something but this thing is going to be more difficult...I gotta get a little book on it! Well you know what- No, I think it's time since you've obviously mastered the harmonica It is time for the Tonette

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2:26:46 I'm just, you know that's pretty much how it was taught in schools. I think yes, the way it is taught at schools even though it's all bullcrap but okay so you know the black Pete thing and The Netherlands which is my favorite topic Yes So just shortly briefly we didn't even have Christmas when I was growing up In The Netherlands there wasn't no well There was Christmas with those no Santa Claus and no presents That was something you went to mass to Christmas Mass And I went we used to go as a fun But we had the Catholics were suppressed in Holland. Yeah, not anymore I mean they had some kind of enlightenment something or other all right

2:27:25 And so what we've had for a long time is the Saint Nicholas who comes on a steamboat from Spain and he's got his black Petes with him. And the United Nations, some consultants from the United Nations as woman who has been trying to get reparations for slave colony slave islands mainly Suriname Aruba you know but I would say mainly Surinam really You know, she started causing trouble and saying hey you know this is racism. And of course we got some worldwide accusations of blackface which has nothing to do with it's not the culture it's...you know there's no black face theater ever has been

2:28:06 And what has been interesting in Dutch politics is there's a former television host. I think she used to do a book show, smart gal very educated, Sylvana Simons. She's originally from Suriname. I don't know if she was born there but I guess she's second generation. And she formed a political party called the Think Party, D-E-N-K. The Think Party and one of the main platforms she has is this racist Black Pete and so she's been going through a very interesting transformation from someone who people thought was intellectual, interesting... usually like a Sunday afternoon type TV show where you have guests that talk about books and some other stuff now she's turned into someone who the Dutch hate

2:28:55 With a passion they hate her. They hate everything she stands for, and it's like... Beside them is the majority I would say not all but the majority. Like why are you doing this? Stop this! This is Black Pete we're gonna keep this. There has been all kinds of... It has gone through political systems. It's going to stay alright? But doesn't have to be outlawed. She continues to say that she wants to get into Parliament and do something about this atrocities, this racism What she is receiving as one of the newspapers this morning printed a lot of the emails that she's getting from Dutch constituents pretty much consistently, The Dutch call her a monkey. An ape A monkey and I'm blown away by this. Yeah? Yeah! I mean...I don't even think even racists in America go that far

2:29:53 Just consistently, every email be stupid monkey. Go back to Suriname. Is she black? Yes she's black I'm sorry well she's from Suriname I should have mentioned that. You gotta give us a little more information. Well okay I'm sorry yes he's black. She's originally from Suriname yeah So they're just going out there, so they're showing the size of intense racism. Massive racism! That's funny And the thing that was interesting to me is that it was... The word is monkey ape They are always comparing her which I mean that's really racist It's rude and racist and horrible And I'm not defending her To do that is like insensitive to say the least and so they are just proving your point

2:30:38 All right, you know to proving the point that there's a racist country. Yeah how'd you write? This is hadn't even thought of it that way yeah exactly Well they're fed up like all of Europe Europe is fed up They don't know what to do with themselves people are freaking out their Fed up have it they're just fed up I'm telling you this fed up well yes listen oh, no, but I was gonna I was leading into There would be even more fed up with this taking place. Turkey's President Erdogan has wasted no time in reacting fiercely to what he sees as another snub to Turkey by the European Union whose Parliament voted on Thursday to suspend EU membership talks He threatened to rip up the migrant deal that could see Turkey again allowing tens of thousands refugees to flood into the EU

2:31:25 When 50,000 immigrants reached the border town of Cappicu you wailed. What would we do if Turkey opened the border gates? You wondered look here this goes any further those border gates will be opened you should know that neither I nor this nation cares about empty threats he thundered I don't understand what this nation understands. Well, one thing this I think is a subtle little but I don't know what with this was a trial balloon or web and play the smallpox clip.

2:32:19 Oh boy, I can only guess what this is coming to. Police responded with rubber bullets and water cannon around 1500 refugees rioted in Bulgaria's largest camp leaving dozens of officers injured hundreds of protesters have been arrested it comes after authorities moved to seal off the camp in the southern town of Harmanli that followed reports of a skin disease outbreak among immigrants European Parliament member Angel Jambazki this week warned of the health risks to the wider population. People of Harmanli want to live in safety, they don't want be made ill by some sickness which was around a hundred years ago carried by some Afghan farmer people do not want to meet these people at night. The Harmanli camp currently houses 3,000 refugees many from Syria Iraq and Afghanistan the

2:33:12 The population of the town itself is only around 18,000 some of whom fear infection. According to the medical academy in the capital Sofia migrants may be carrying viruses and diseases such as smallpox Smallpox is described as an acute contagious disease. Around a third of those who catch it die." You know what's interesting about that, and this goes back to the very beginning of this program when I was reading the Lisbon Treaty which is the surrogate for the European Constitution if you read that properly and you follow all the documents through to the protocols

2:33:50 If the police, because you know it's a death penalty is supposed to be not possible in the European Union. However if you are running away from the police for any reason they can shoot and kill you with validity legally but more importantly anyone with a contagious disease can be rounded up and put in jail throughout all of the EU sounds like a plan. This is a she just said in that report contagious disease.

2:34:30 Well, it would seem to be an expeditious way to invade Europe by inoculating people with smallpox and then putting them amongst a mass of immigrants. I hadn't even thought of that! That's the first thing i thought of. Time for your shot oh man that's a good one And then you send him in there since nobody has been given a vaccine against smallpox since the 70s I believe. I mean have one but my kids don't And nobody does. So most of the people under the age of I think 55 or 60 are susceptible and this stuff spreads like wildfire, so this could be a very interesting ploy to decimate or actually be worse than that

2:35:20 the Europeans with these immigrants coming in. And I'm going to ask this question, and every time these reports come in... What the hell are these immigrants from Afghanistan doing? Why is anybody leaving Afghanistan?! It's not a situation that you have in Illinois! Kandahar is beautiful this time of year. I don't understand why you'd leave. I'm very suspicious about these Afghanistan-ies. Syrians, yeah it makes sense the place is being rubbleized but anyway so yeah the small pies that this was not being reported of course no i like it i like it i liked the mass vaccination program and this is by the way this is something that was predicted everyone knew that you know of course when you have this kind of influx of newcomers because you can have this kind of shit happen

2:36:16 It's going to get so bad. They have no idea. Maybe that is the real reason the State Department has put a warning about people wanting to visit Europe and we're gonna play this, this is the holidays in Europe not safe part one. Intelligence agencies are saying because of the continued threat of terror in Europe this year... Why do I hear a child's Chime in this report. He's got a man on the street, somebody grinding away with a monkey. Oh, and a monkey! Agencies in Europe are saying that because of the continued threat of terror in Europe this year Christmas-y events are going to be more dangerous than ever

2:36:56 Earlier this week, French authorities foiled an ISIL-linked terror plot in Strasbourg. The French city that's home to one of the most famous Christmas markets in Europe. Police across Europe are on high alert In Britain domestic intelligence agency MI5 says the threat of international terrorism remains severe Add to that the US government's latest travel advice to its citizens. It tells Americans to exercise caution at holiday events and outdoor markets in Europe and cites credible information that ISIL and Al-Qaeda continue to plan terrorist attacks on the continent, especially during the holiday season. In fact according to State Department advice to its citizens countries such as Morocco Egypt Western Sahara Jordan and Bolivia are all safer than Europe.

2:37:55 Yeah, very insulting. Just so you know what I heard because I saw the first...I saw this before it even went out. I saw this was happening and happening between shows and the thinking is Germany Christmas. Germany Christmas. Christmas market or Christmas. That's the chatter Well, it could happen but let's play part two They finally went on the street and asked a few people is RT of course they love to go out in the street It's always funny always can you name some countries that you think the US thinks is safer? To go on holiday to than here Maybe Japan I can't think of anywhere that's safer than the UK than Europe Switzerland Canada

2:38:39 You missed the guy saying, Canadia. Oh, hold on. Canada? Canada? Canada? I'm giving you a mid clip! A mid-clip of the day come on Come on. That is weak They left that in?! Canada, yeah. I mean are they joking us? Are they jokesters? Yeah don't think so. They don't seem to have much of a sense of humor. They got a smirk usually but that's about as far as it goes That's fantastic good good work. Anywhere that is safer than the UK and Europe? Switzerland.

2:39:29 I wonder if they were just reading of the producer had a better piece of paper to read one of these names No. I don't know. Canadians? It looks pretty sincere. Okay, I'll show you the results. So these are US travel warnings mapped out yellow is us and Europe but you know that we're on alert green is safer That would be Egypt. Do you find it surprising? Yeah, they have like all of Europe. But Sierra Leone Morocco all green yeah surprising For like all of this part like Africa and everything in South America Argentina Yes, it is surprising

2:40:25 I like that. Let me play this jingle, it goes along with the caliphate. Caliphate! The caliphate That is why we've all died of caliphate Love and Light for Florence Henderson Oh yeah Love and light I was watching her on Dancing With The Stars, I liked her so much Darnit And Dancing with the Stars, it really showed that some people just have great legs their entire life. Yeah you're right yeah that's true like The Keeper now I've got a clip that is just off the wall It has nothing to do with anything we are talking about so far but i was kind of riveted by this This was a show where they were interviewing all the NASCAR racers

2:41:20 The ones that win a lot and they won the cup and whatever. They all consider themselves athletes, and I think in some ways they are so there's no difference in horse racing. Jockey is an athlete too but this one little thing that Brad Keselowski said... And I don't think it's true for all athletes but he seems to think it is. Now who was he again? Brad Keselowski is a champion from a couple years ago in the NASCAR. He's a really good racer, he's not one of the best... He's not the best this year but I see always in the top five and he has this to say. Military tank It's motivation you know? I think by the way that to be a great athlete on professional level and this is common theme with everything I do that you need spend money

2:42:15 And I mean spend a lot of money. What do you mean? It goes back to hunger, you need to be hungry to be a great hunter in the woods and when your hungry... When your right at the edge of your limits financially it drives you in what you do and that's why most athletes go broke and nobody really talks about that but when you spend a lot of money really buckle down when you're performing. Huh? Yeah, about poverty is where the show is so damn good. You got no money were broke yeah but you know what when your home this is that is how America used to work. You gotta work your ass off are gonna be damn hungry

2:43:11 That's the America I grew up in. And he says that's what most, that's why most athletes are broke and a lot of them are. I mean bad money management is part of the problem but they do spend a lot. Look at Floyd Mayweather Jr., why would he have like five Lamborghinis in one of his rooms in his house? I mean that's just spending money for no reason except it's an art collection I guess but still... And people like, you know they spend money and so they have no money so they can perform better. It's just logic I don't think that's true for all athletes by any means because there's a number of their very successful businessmen But I just thought that was the strange...I've never heard that theory Well it kind of boils down to the power structure That everyone needs me to have to do something even if its a surrogate

2:44:02 activity. They need to do something that tells your DNA you're working hard for your survival." That's what his theory is, yes. Yeah I think he's correct. Of course if you read the name of the clip it says Brad Kozlowski psycho! Do you think it's psycho really? Jimmy Johnson, for example. I don't know that... There's a lot of these guys and I don't see them all just going nuts and spending all their money, spending a lotta money so they're broke all the time but they can perform well. I just don't see everyone doing it. There are number people that go that way and obviously he is one of them. Yeah, I think it can happen to some people sure. It's just- Some people have been motivated themselves. They don't need that sort of true starvation as motivation

2:44:49 It helps a lot of people have gotten over that hump. They don't need the they don't need I do sells in opposition I do know what you seem to yes, you're borderline at that guy well. I mean like that guy Yeah, it's like Saturday night. I'm hanging out with Tina my oh man I gotta start working and got her prep and then I think To myself I think self you like food. Don't you? Yeah You know I have that I think your eye thing is why this works Because we have taken the vow poverty on the show Are you still with me, John? Yes I'm still here. I'm just counting my money from paper mate. Less than 10 minutes to go! Okay?! Alright...I got an odd one Just kind of a throwaway

2:45:37 But thanks to G who sent it to me. This is your public broadcasting system, this is from PRI, you know what they air on NPR and this is from Science Friday! You know Science Friday's a really big show and if you're thinking about talking about science I'm always interested in science, I don't deny science... And this is the science I got I'm learning now that you massage your kale, Molly. Is that what you do with kale? You massage it? That is definitely something you can do with your kale. So kale has two issues that make it hard to love raw in a salad. One is that its kind of tough and the second is that it can be very bitter and to help with the toughness of kale

2:46:15 massaging it, actually running your fingers over it to help the leaves loosen up a little bit. You can use a rolling pin over a bag. It really helps tenderize the leaves but what happens when you do that is it makes the flavor of kale a little bit more bitter and that's because the flavor of kale really only happens when you start to damage the cells within it because then an enzyme interacts with a sulfur-containing compound to create a totally new compound they wouldn't interact if the cells weren't damaged. But this new compound is very bitter. I see you've got a bag, is that a bag of kale? I do have a bag of kale. We worked really hard on figuring out how to get kale to taste less bitter. This one is massaged... Massaged kale. Massaged kale.

2:47:00 Wow, it is much more bitter. And so one thing we did in the book was try and figure out how to make kale less bitter and we discovered that rinsing it after you massage it and create all this bitter flavor can lessen the bitterness of the kale Why eat this crap? That's my question! That did not go answered It's not food! It's not edible I pulled an ISO from it though. Rinsing it after you massage, can lessen the bitterness. Yes now sounds lewd. Have more tail!

2:47:47 You will obey. That's right, we will obey. I can get a last clip in here if you're running out of time. This is the one that really everyone is up in arms about just because he's cheap This is California again leading the way. Great California Netflix tax. Customers of video streaming services like Netflix may be subject to a new tax at least a dozen Bay Area cities are considering a utility type tax on residents who cut the cord on cable critics insist it's illegal to impose taxes on the internet but the city of Pasadena just passed one right now it's on hold because of resident complaints

2:48:33 What is that all about? You tell me. Those guys are nuts, California man. We're not getting enough money this California here's California logic First of all, they want everyone to get an electric car or something. So now these cars get 60 miles to the gallon if the hybrids and their electric cars get 100. And so then now that all gasoline taxes, all the pump taxes have dropped, revenues have gone through the floor! They don't know what to do... Oh this is like unintended consequences. More pot holes. Yeah we got more potholes. What you end up with is say well let's tax the electric car

2:49:12 And just as it is, you have an electric car? You're gonna pay a tax on it. To make up for the fact that you're not buying gasoline which was the reason to get the electric car in the first place so you didn't burn gasoline! Yep. The unintended... Endless series of idiotic constructs go on sorry It's the unintended consequences of technology. It is exactly what Professor Kaczynski wrote about unfolding before your very eyes Because once again, he manages to work that into the end of the show. I don't know how he does it It's talent my friend, talent Alright everybody thank you so much for tuning in if you're on the live stream. It's always nice to have you there No, I'm not gonna do the ant song again today But I figured that there's enough ant material someone could come up with a new one Got ants? I got ants Alrighty Good

2:50:06 I know what's coming up this week, but there is always something we can deconstruct for you and we're happy to do it. Remember us at Dvorak dot org slash NA as will be back on Thursday for our regularly scheduled show And I am coming to you from the crackpot condo in the skyscraper here in downtown Austin, Texas. The capital of the drone star state FEMA region 6 if you're looking for it on a governmental map In the morning everybody! I'm Adam Curry and from northern Silicon Valley where Plato say man who rushes masturbation pulls a fast one. I'm John C. Dvorak and we will be back Thursday with another episode right here on NOAgenda Until then, adios mofos!

2:53:03 I'm trying to discuss new routes while they paint us and our candidates with the broadest of hateful brushes. Obligated guy, which we're not- I mean if I can't imagine he has any friends! Well, he's anti- You tell me that two same sex people who love each other getting married somehow threatens your marriage. I mean... reasonable... obligated guy... I'm in a democratic party right now! ...with male churches slash white power models including the seat for these mall women. I mean, white people leave the Democratic Party?

2:53:44 and now churches slash white power meetups. Wow! Complicated bell, he's anti-semitic, he's in. Wow! Complicated guy. We don't need White House, we don't need Democrats, we don't need Whines. Anti-appointable. Ow! White people leading the day, we don't need them. We don't need Whines. Wow! Senior anti-black and he's in. Rinsing it after you massage it can lessen the bitterness. Google's mission, however is to organize the world's information. Information we absolutely cannot have any type of bias whatsoever

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