Political Perp Walk

00:00 Are you really defending Ted Cruz? You know he's anti-Semite. Adam Curry, John C DeVora And Sunday April 10th 2016 time once again for your Gitmo Nation Media Assassination episode 815 This is no agenda Sucking on secrets and soot, but not gonna die yet. And broadcasting live from the capital of the drone star state in Austin Tejas, FEMA Region 6 in the morning everybody! I'm Adam Curry. And from northern Silicon Valley where it's gray, I'm John C. Dvorak. It's crackpotting boss kill...in the morning! Gray he says! Yeah, it's gray here too. Gray. John C. Dvorak where the c stands for grey. Oh did you see that? No-I was going to not tell you about until later but did you see we have a website

00:45 I do. You do and it's actually for me, it's called where the C stands for dot com so you just hit that and today with a C stands for camembert cheese or you refresh with a C stands for chocolate thank you so this is such a great gift from heaven Do you see the site for you? Yeah, did you do you see the site like no I wear this e stands for calm It's fantastic where C stands for And it is a city dweller. I guess that one has a cruel circumstellar mind Contract hitman. This is great

01:36 Do we have a great audience or what? Yeah, we have a great audience. And they produce everything you'd want everything you dream of everything you dream of in like a big broadcasting organization. Yes. If only we could have something cool like a website where the C stands for dot com and then course the IT department would say well you know we have to register to my name and we have to host that before you know it is six months later... And you never get it! Never get it now we just haven't I love that. Fabulous! Actually, it cuts... It's a red tape cutting machine. Oh yeah? Yeah What does that mean? All these things crop up This is funny The red tape cutting machine? That is actually right Just when they nailed it Where the C stands for Chili Master Yayyyy! I wonder if they can spike the results If they can add little things I'm guessing they do Or otherwise you wouldn't be getting Chili Master Hey, I went to uh A kind of semi-obot thing

02:35 A semi-obot. Semi obot thing, yeah. Okay! That was Thursday after the show we were... Tina and I had been invited to go and join a cocktail party for new people who are new to Austin from New York in California And this was at the house of the former New York banker and his wife here in Austin Your buddy. My buddy, yeah who I of course immediately cornered upon our party. I immediately cornered him we were of course first I hate that. Hate being first to the party Are you one of those guys? No, usually not! I don't really like being first...I like being second. I hate it! Yeah So i'll show up first and there's nobody there and then you find a host yeah hosts are busy over the checklist you know with the catering they're talking to catering They're talking to somebody And their checking stuff off and they look up at you every once in awhile Then your trying to make small talk and then they..they dont really

03:37 No, because they're waiting for everybody else. But this was interesting. And by the time the party really gets going you've been there too long already! Yeah we did leave on time for sure but it was a rather interesting crowd I have to say These are newbies. Newbies, yeah three of them! Three newbies moved to Austin for startups. Yeah that would be like a hundred No no I'm telling you three of them there... There was probably some 25 people there. You know couples Everybody with kids under 15 That's what i did each time they said yeah we have 3 kids How sad for you? Three start-ups I counted. Three The one even crazier than the next

04:25 Startups. Yeah, one is a see this is an and there's no money in Austin I don't understand why they're doing that they're moving from California New York but California most of the people They come to us and then they they start up And then like yeah we're looking for a venture capital well you're in the wrong state Get out We didn't know money here bastards in Texas Yeah, we're looking for seed money. How much? $2 million dollars." Well what do you value yourself at half a billion? So I had a lot of fun but it was interesting ideas one is um...I guess the because the brand name manufacturers are losing out to the generics even though they're starting to own the generics at this point there's this kind of like a Groupon for brand pharmaceuticals and the way it works

05:17 You get a coupon from this RX, whatever their name is. And that is for exactly the difference between the generic drug and the brand drug you give that to the doctor and then you'll get the brand drug." And I said, I'm really happy you're doing this. This is great kids need dependable drugs from their drug dealers! I'm just taking the piss out of him right there he's not getting it I can see you being just a terror. A total a-hole! In one of these environments... Oh, that is a fascinating idea all my life i've wanted exactly this it got better get better so there's this other other couple

06:05 They're pitching an app which actually sounds like a pretty good idea. You know it's uh It's like a family intranet I mean, I would shoot myself if I had to have that the intranet I would shoot myself if I had to have that with my family but And you know, so they said we're going to pitch it to you. See what you think? I'm listening to this. Oh yeah! Then I came up with a genius idea for them which just made me giggle and hope they do it. So this is really great. You should integrate Bitcoin. So you can reward your children with Bitcoin through the app. They are like that's a great idea Perfect. You're terrible! Give them their salary, yeah their allowance give it to them through Bitcoin. Give them an allowance through Bitcoin? Okay things seen overheard I saw bedazzled Birkenstocks I kid you not

07:00 This was a very... Birkenstocks? Bedazzled birkenstocks. Wow, that's dynamite! I kind of think that's cool. Well and Tina and i were like three o'clock the birkenstock and then as we were outside waiting for uber to pick us up uh the girl with the birkenstocks and her husband walked by and they said hey you guys got any weed? They said that to you?! What?? It was very weird. It was bizarre the whole thing was bizarre got any weed you guys get any weed and then my favorite and my favorite was from This another couple or not I should build the wall yeah What we did is called Steiner ranch We built a raw wall around the Californians who come here put him in Steiner Ranch But the best the best line of the evening which i'm going to use at the next cocktail party, I'm at

08:00 Yeah, you know we're pretty new to Austin but we're in between teardowns right now. Is that a cool thing to say or what? We are in between teardowns! Yes because when you want to build a house you buy land with the house and you tear it down...it's a teardown But if you have two teardowns, I guess it's even cooler In between Tara in between Tara. No no but i'm gonna use it. I like it I'm trying to figure out what it means yeah? I was doing one tear down over here And then I moved somewhere in the middle before I started now. I don't even get it beyond Understand this is why we this is why I liked it so much like holy crap. What are they do it there it is

08:41 But of course really the only reason, well besides it was nice to meet new people and there will be I think we were widening our Obama bot net. This is good because we need to have more input from the bots. There was almost no... Relax! Thanks After the past couple of Obamabot reports I get less invites. I wonder why? I wonder why But I did... Zephyr just went by at about three miles an hour. I don't know what's going on. I did of course talk to... At that speed? I did, of course, talked to the former New York banker about the Panama Papers Ah! Yes He was just as... Because I want to get into that because I have another thesis Okay Well he was just as baffled As I was

09:33 And he's done a lot of these deals, although he said he was doing the Argentinian deals which makes it even more interesting who he is. I guess those were pretty fun deals huh? But nothing through Panama but you know...I laid down that the Madoff money, he said that it definitely going to pop up and that was your assertion that the Madoff money will appear before you get into your report have a little lead in which can just get us in safely about the Panama papers if that's okay with you Go!

10:15 So Panama Papers come out, big fire in the IRS building but also Also, a fire in the building in New York of former Madoff partner. Which also took out a whole wing of something related to Bernie Madoff. Just a coincidence that was 740 Park Avenue. Now if... A couple things I uncovered and heard this on

11:12 The best coverage of this is on Deutsche Welle and French 24, the European stuff. And somebody mentioned that this operation something Fonseca I can always never remember the fuck... Fonseca? Yeah, Masoud Fonseca? Yeah what? Masoud Fonseca. Is it Massoot? Mossack, Mossack Fonseca. Whatever it is. Mossad CIA! How's that?! They said that these guys aren't the biggest by any means they're only in the top five and when somebody says you're in the top five that means their number four or five yeah there are three bigger ones so if Madoff shows up in this operation then you know this was targeted

11:58 Because made us more likely to be in the top two. Yes, yes But so let's go there's a guy who so here's here's a guy from this is that this clip is called PP as in Panama Papers or PP Treasure Island Guys Part 1. This is a guy who wrote a book on the subject in 2012 called Treasure Islands Let's talk more now about the fallout of the Panama Papers, Nicholas Shaxson literally wrote the book on tax havens he's the author of the 2011 titled Treasure Islands and now he's working with the Tax Justice Network which works to uncover tax avoidance and tax evasion thank you very much indeed first of all Nicholas for being with us are you surprised to see

12:44 the widespread nature of the use of offshore companies in tax havens. Is this news to you? Well, the actual contents are not so surprising to those of us who have been working in the industry. We have known A that Panama is a particularly nasty sleazy jurisdiction and has been for a long time and B one of the messages we've been trying to put out is that this offshore system tax havens is much bigger than most people realize It is widely regarded as an exotic sideshow to the world economy, but it is in fact really central to it. And I should also add that this goes way beyond tax. There's quite an obsession in the media with the tax elements of this. I think the Panama story is more about wealthy people hiding money. It is sometimes for tax reasons, but it is also sometimes probably more often

13:37 hiding it because there is something dubious about the money itself. Maybe they stole it or obtained through nefarious means, and its not just money its assets that can be apartments and real estate and all sorts of stuff. But just to be clear Nicholas, just because you're setting up a company doesn't necessarily mean that your dodging taxes? That's what your saying? Well, that's one aspect of it. I do want to stress that this is not just – this is much bigger than tax. The question is if you're setting up an offshore company does that mean you're doing something illegal? No, no from first principles.

14:17 But in this particular case, Panama has been known as a very – to those of us working in this area among tax havens it is one of the sleaziest jurisdictions. It has been prepared to accept all sorts of really nasty stuff that other tax havens wouldn't touch So if you are using a Panamanian law firm and setting up a company in Panama or using Panama somehow, that is ultimately going to raise red flags. Why would you go for Panama? Why would you go for a Panamanian law firm when there are so many other alternatives available?" And so that should raise some serious suspicions from the word-go. Okay. Now, couple of things in here...

14:57 We discover that Panama's sleazy and that's important to know. Yeah, I don't like the sleazy word he is using a lot but it's not really an adjective that helps us The thing that also stood out to me was this is not a sideshow this IS the world economy Yeah, and it's drugs. It's drugs! Well there is a lot of drugs involved obviously but this is the world economy and yes but your thesis is definitely drugs so I'm thinking well maybe there's you know what because I'm still thinking who's behind it why are they behind it? Who's... Cribono! And so let's go to part two One kind of gap in all of this is that um there has not been- There has been some attention in the United States

15:43 as much as in many other countries, not as much as in Europe. And that's partly because there haven't been that many – or not many U.S. people implicated. But I think this is problematic because the United States itself is a tax haven and very, very big tax haven for a lot of people who are putting their money in the United States knowing that information is not going to be shared with financial crime authorities, tax authorities whatever. And so the US is a big problem in the system and it doesn't seem to be making a lot of change in this respect. Big problem in the system. And then, I'm thinking what? The United States is a big problem—we're the tax havens, so I hear this on Democracy Now! There's Panama Papers' DN kicker. The massive data leak known as the Panama Papers has revealed that law firm Mossack Fonseca set up more than 1,000 shell companies inside the United States once again raising questions about the U.S. role as an offshore tax haven.

16:47 The papers show more than 600 shell companies were set up in Nevada alone. Matthew Gardner of the Institute on Taxation and Economic Policy said, quote, "'We should be thinking about this as a very American problem and a problem that arguably is worse here in the States that it is in Panama,' he said." Yeah well... Duh. Who goes behind this is obviously our banks! Yeah, and okay I want to play a short little clip here just as an interim bitty This is one of our producers was driving like 2000 kilometers from back from holiday in Australia and he heard an interview on the radio with Gerard Ryle, who is of the International Consortium of Investigative Journalists. And our producer Lyndon was nice enough to cut a couple clips so you just said the key word there that at The American Banks that's actually who the customers

17:45 Mossack Fonseca are not the people themselves, but the banks. And would the legal, legitimate aspects of the industry know that they're sort-of cheek by jowl with some very dodgy behaviour or not? I just wonder what you think about their informed consent as it were Oh, there's no doubt that they know what's going on. I mean we've seen evidence in the papers that major banks and everyday high street banks are giving their customers the option of avoiding taxes in some countries. It's Mossack Senseika when we first approached them with a list of clients and a list of allegations

18:27 their first reaction was, hang on these aren't our clients. Our clients are the big banks and the big accountancy firms and it's kind of one of the most startling revelations from this is that they didn't really know who the end customer was nor were they required to know which seems staggering. Well there you go! This brings up another point when we first played the early clips of this yeah they specifically mentioned the banks being the customers But we didn't really play it that way because they were... We got names. Celebrities. They did a lousy job of protecting their clients, but the banks they mentioned if you recall HSBC, UBS Credit Suisse Deutsche Bank No American banks were mentioned? Oh okay! Well if we take this right back to the New York banker

19:20 He, remember his quote is we won. We won. We won the American banks one from the European banks I'm still not sure what it means but maybe this is this is the final death knell they jabbed all the way into these efforts I think it's just a one stab. I think there's gonna be more stabs to come Yeah well hold on because you picked up the meme of only the top five I have a 15 second clip which is the propagation of that meme so there's something to this, i believe. Again that same guy from the international consortium of international journalists whatever. And they weren't the only ones! Let's face it, Mosfeq Motekeh is one of the largest firms in the world doing this

20:01 But we know that there are about 800 similar firms around the world, and they're not even the biggest. I mean, I think they're at the fourth or certainly in the top five but they're not the biggest." Okay just so that top five is...that may be a meme that is out there for a reason? Yeah! It's a little threat. There could be more! So this, so now that it I don't know if you what there's been a couple movies. I think the international is one of them There's a bunch of these movies came out a few years ago and showed the banks BCCI wasn't that it? The big yeah And there's BCCI right but now there's a bunch of movies that came out showing these horrible International bankers being a bunch of murderers and Yeah It was really good films One in particular

20:49 The Internationalist. The Internationalist was the best, I feel. Yeah that was a good film. That was good. Very entertaining and it was about banking and might be thinking now that since our intelligence agencies do the bidding, I mean they're working for somebody. They're not just doing it because it's fun but they do the bidding for some of our corporations and international espionage spying and all the rest of it And they may be fronting for the banks on this so if the CIA NSA whoever was that may have done this breach

21:24 Which looks like... Well, there's only one guy who can tie directly to that and that's Comey because he is a former board member of HSBC. That means either he didn't protect them or he knew so much it was time to go after them. Or yes. Could could go either way but I'm now thinking that It's our banks behind this whole thing, just to put the nail in the coffin of these other guys. These are too big to fail banks who have become too big to turn down their own government. Oh hold on then let me just... so following on your logic So the US banks did this whatever that would however we classify that and

22:11 I guess everyone's doing their best to distract from the banking part of it maybe? That's why we're just looking as deep as we can. We're not covering this country at all, this whole story is like covered up. Yeah it's dumb and by the way when it comes to money laundering or tax evasion The Netherlands Is one of the biggest that's where all the Russian money goes thats where the Rolling Stones put there money thats where U2 puts their money because there's no tax on royalties and other creative, you know, creative royalties. There is no tax on it in the Netherlands Also not really mentioned in the papers that much That's an interesting point And its mainly Russian I would say Well whatever the case...and I use that term loosely Loosely I...I... The point we have so many of these little shell companies In our own country they are used for

23:12 And by the way, I do want to mention that we do know that there's some...I got two notes from two different producers saying oh you know uh you guys are screwing up. You know tax avoidance is legal, tax evasion is not. Uh you're getting your terms mixed up? I don't think so and well there's this lea..those are legally these terms if you say tax of...tax avoidance yeah That's illegal but you can do text avoidance would be like Some of this how about that? How about this John loopholes, maybe We want to hurt the IMF could that Could there be IMF ties run the IMF. Yeah, but we're not happy with it. We haven't ratified I think the point is that one guy made where he said This is not an international side show. This is a

24:01 The show. The show? Yeah And I think what it is, is that we want to make sure that the show is here within our system You wanna screw around you wanna do dirty deals you wanna launder money Do it through us! It's a native ad Do it through us. And by the way, since we are the ones who promoted the United States you know really the ones who kind of behind the internet and we invented it more or less and We can protect you a little look at these guys that can't even protect you You did a deal and now its out in public I like that. I like that. No we've never done that. You haven't heard...we had our credit card numbers breached by couple things but thats about it. We haven't had these deals exposed. You better be doing business over here

24:47 You've got plenty of banks you can work with. Those banks are no good! Come on in, let me introduce you to the team... I think he's right about American Banks 1. Yeah, maybe that is why he has such a smug look on his face. Maybe that's what it is. Well, our buddy Matthew Lee, Matt Lee from Associated Press... beers are waiting for you in Austin, Matt Lee! He did what we would hope a good journalist would do and he brought this to the State Department and said hey are you guys behind this? Although he didn't exactly frame it that way. He could I thought he was a little too cagey on his question But then again, it was Mark toner the fill-in guy so but listen to the end I don't know if Matt messed up or toner messed up but have a list I want to go

25:37 Something that came up the other day, but now it's taken on an added element and that is this Panama Papers leak. President Putin you will have seen said today that the leak of this particularly the items that have to do with Russian nationals like Russia are part of a Western or US plot or campaign to undermine Russia. What do you make of that? Look, I mean we've made pretty clear that we're not going to talk about the content obviously these confidential papers that were leaked. I just reject or would reject the premise or assertion that we are in any way involved in the actual leak of these documents.

26:35 Okay, so it's interesting because he says something different there than no He says I reject the assertion and then you kind of involve yeah And he kind of corrects himself So they just reject that and it's not really a solid No But here comes this end bit or shouldn't that we're in any way involved in the actual leak of these documents Okay, so it's his accusation that the United States had anything to do with it or The assertion by him or by anyone that the US government had anything to do with this is you say it's left completely wrong That's right. Did you hear what he said? He said the Assertion that the United States as part of it is not completely wrong and the guy says that's right

27:26 No, I don't think so. Play it again. ...had anything to do with it or the assertion by him or anyone that the US government had anything to do with this is you say its left completely wrong? That's right You say it's not completely wrong Yeah there was just kind of a fumble there I'm not sure that means anything I would agree with you but it was just okay fine It's cagey. The assertion is completely that the government had anything to... in other words, he's asking the question did the US government have anything to do with this? Well yeah. And he said it's completely wrong No no no no He said I reject the assertion

28:10 One more time, then we'll be done with it. It's his accusation that the United States had anything to do with it or the assertion by him or anyone that the US government had anything to do with this is you say it's left completely wrong? That's right! Not completely wrong... Okay.. That's right?! I don't know Could just a misunderstanding? I think he wasn't trying to be tricky I didn't know that the State Department would know I mean, these guys are supposed to share intelligence. Well no but the question needed to be asked that's it was a good question we need to know... Yeah and somebody asked it! Thank you exactly. I have one more piece from the journalist Gerard Ryle from The International Consortium of Investing Journalists. By the way also want to say since things are so compartmented

28:57 in those kinds of environments. Yeah, the guy couldn't know. There's no way that this guy would know what was going on. But he did have a very thick heavy tab he turned to when the question came up. Exactly! I look for that now you know oh he's going for a tab he's got his tab yeah Actually, I have two clips from this journalist from ICIJ. Here's the first one. Apparently they all had access to the full documents that they were working on all this time John it's amazing how 400 journalists worked on this data dump... I would have hoped they'd get more out of it than what we've seen. It was obvious from the beginning that we had something, but then we had all this legwork to do. We had to index the documents, build a consortium of media partners and make sure everyone has access to all the documents. There was no point in just parceling up one country's document and sending it over the internet – we had to give them access to everything because this world is global and reporters needed

29:59 to be able to follow their noses. Yeah, I'm always amazed when people say, you know that conspiracy theory is crazy because it can't be because hundreds of people would have known about it someone would have said something well in this case 400 people knew about this for a year and no one said anything So there's proof. There is proof it can be done I think we've known this all along It's not that they keep a secret, it's just organized in such a way that it's kind of a secret Yeah, that's the compartmentalization Now the couple things they said there everyone had access Access isn't the same as having a copy That's correct I mean it doesn't take much really to...I mean I can go to Costco right now and get a 4 terabyte drive or 6 terabyte drive for 150 bucks

30:44 And so I could get the whole thing. It's only 2.6 terabytes, so I could have a whole copy they should give everyone an entire copy not access. Access is not the same if you have a copy of it. If i had a whole copy I could run it through a database. I could organize searches keyword searches now they use...I read about some system they use even OCR stuff in what an operation That would take a while. Here's the final clip from this guy, uh this is regarding the Russian angle so we've had State Department says nope nope it's not entirely true We weren't entirely involved I don't know So what about Russia? What because i noticed you were careful there in the words you chose um what are you hearing about the impact on Russia Do you hear that glee in that woman's voice

31:39 Russia. So great you guys. What was this? She's from Australia, I don't know her name. So what about Russia? Because I noticed you were careful there in the words you chose. I didn't want to get a little prick! What are you hearing about the impact in Russia Well, we've managed to get Vladimir Putin to come out and give a press conference about it. So that's a bit of a coup but before would even publish... You know that's kind of interesting what journalists feel is important he says we've managed to have Putin come out and do a press conference about it so this journalist has an axe to grind the way I hear

32:26 Maybe. Yeah, I just thought just as a you know an international independent journalist you know you may want to temper yourself a bit well we've managed to get Vladimir Putin to come out and give a press conference about it so that's a bit of a coup but before we'd even published anything and we were working very closely with journalists in russia who were understandably concerned about their welfare in terms of they were physically worried about the welfare so we went to most of them all for people around the world if you weeks early because uh... of the process we use here what would go to fact check everything if it will have chance to comment but we went to rush a week

33:06 just a week out from publication and almost the moment that we can play the questions they could be called a press conference in the kremlin and denounced us and tried to make out that this was an attack on russia uh... at that point of course i thought that we were only interested in russia and what we found in the documents for all of these associates of Vladimir Putin basically owned offshore companies, and through those offshore companies were going millions hundreds of millions of dollars. And some very strange transactions like this is loans from state-owned companies to these offshore companies and these loans didn't appear to be commercial. That would be a polite way of putting it. We also found that an offshore company for instance

33:48 that was the owner of a ski resort where Putin's daughter got married. And, of course, the owner of that company turned out to be Putin's – the godfather of Putin's child. So there were legitimate reasons for us to ask questions but as soon we did, we just go denounced and they're claiming this is a conspiracy by the American government and that we were all CIA and other things which is Quite funny and crazy. How could one ever think that? The time was to react and to deny all this ourselves, but I just knew that out one week later we were going to publish And they were gonna see that you know it wasn't about them and in fact We were also publishing information about other world leaders Yes like people like British PM David Cameron But i think probably people have heard about

34:38 I'm just reading now, HSBC executives are facing calls to resign. Yeah you know you're onto something here i think this is a good one and really the information that was in this data dump... You gotta wonder if the banks were their customers then it would be..I would say that they really only had the banking information maybe didn't come from this data dump? Do you know what I am saying I don't see how, here's the way i see it in terms of that what you're saying which is why isn't just a bunch of bank names. The banks are their customer but they still have to set these up with somebody in mind because they're going to have some relationship with that person It seems like the banks were kind of a broker

35:35 You had your David Cameron's dad, who went to his banker in London. And the banker is like okay and he went to these guys and said uh... We've gotta set this thing up friend here is our client. Here's what you gotta do for him what can you do? So the guy's name was gonna be transferred along because the banks are acting as middlemen They're not acting as anonymous front men. It's different... Okay, well so let's follow the logic. So let's say this is set up by the U.S. banks who are narrowly mentioned and... No but the data breach was set up by the US banks? Yeah. I guess the idea now would be ultimately to go after the executives within the banks to weaken them even more. Does that make sense?

36:27 Sounds good to me. Yeah, yeah not sure what the endgame is besides weakening the banks would be one thing but just This whole scene under control under our control so we're the ones that profit from it yeah You know, you're talking a lot of rich people in Europe and elsewhere that are just bypassing us. Yeah! That's no good? No this is not how the game is played absolutely. I can't do that. Some years ago sure but now come on what's the big deal you make just as much going through us. Here German banks enmeshed in the Panama Papers leak. Enmeshed yeah...I think you're right and this would explain the former New York bankers coyness about the whole thing

37:11 Yeah, I don't know. I don't know where this is coming from this now he was this happened now He was Deutsche But you know I said Deutsche's gonna get screwed sorry they're dead over this they're dead over there So maybe he has a suspicion i'm gonna throw this back in his face see what what bounces huh? Well, I like looking at it from that angle for sure well makes us look like winners Make America great again the Panama Papers making america great again Gotta love it Oh, man. And it's definitely I mean... It is almost you can almost chew on how missing it is from the network news stories. That little Democracy Now thing was the only thing that has been played and the NewsHour just completely ignored this story. This a huge international story. Yeah now why would they be ignoring it? If it's about the German banks wouldn't we want to rope them in

38:11 and get them all over the... Our public doesn't need to know this. Right And none of it has anything to do with the American public, they don't need to know anything Everybody who needs to know will be finding out shortly with a letter in the mail Do business with us or don't do business at all Now the next question is will this... does it have legs? Will it continue Not so sure. Well, that's all you need to second data breach now I'm doing yes is that you we've talked about this or you and I in our game spot the spook It's one of my favorite games quite it's a great game And it's very easily once you get at the hang of it You can do it anyone can yeah effectively but spotless So

38:57 I'll bet you if we saw, i bet you there was a spook in this operation. In this Panamanian operation that if we saw one of those... We'd see him and go yeah! Yeah the whole team of all the people that worked there? I bet you could spot the guy. Because this couldn't have been just an over-the-internet data breach. This had to be orchestrated from inside, even though there's a lot of debates going on in the media right now about was it an inside job? I think it was probably at least partially an inside job because 2.6 terabytes is a lot of stuff. That number has irritated me... The number and yeah we have one of those numbers

39:43 We have lots of dudes named Ben out there. I think this is probably from a backup archive, and this is what I've been trying to find out. This is where people forget how their security works. Now backup tapes can do up to 6.25 terabytes But that's the high performance and this may not be, you know... This is from 10 years ago or it's actually lots of... Who knows? I don't know. It just feels that kind of size to me feels like a backup tape. You know it's interesting because when everyone talks about security and they talk about the cloud, the cloud security, and they talk about security over the internet, there was security guys

40:29 I wonder sometimes about archival security. Because i don't think there's much effort put into taking an archive, which would be a backup tape of some sort or backup tapes of some sort and then this automated giant back up places off-site stuff. Yeah, you know off site place would have this material that would I wonder how easy it would be just to steal those tapes? Well i'm sure the bank makes the banks probably store their their off-site backups possibly in the same place. I don't know I mean I've always worried...I've always wondered about that yeah Iron Mountain. You know were they encrypted and we don't know any of this stuff We have no technical data on this

41:16 And the silence is deafening from the Snowden camp. It's deafening, I tell you. Deafening silence. and which is owned by the government I guess, and these guys took me into...I got to go into the mountain which is supposedly a big mountain in the Alps. It's near Gestat. And you go in there and in fact there was exit out of the mountain onto a balcony overlooking the valley and Gestat This is crazy. You go out this little walkway and there's a kind of glass bulb, it's actually square like a little patio and you can have lunch one table.

42:03 Kind of wild. Anyway, they did all this sort of thing and they had like all kinds of armed guards and supposedly a H-bomb could go off nearby. Yeah. And it would protect the data? Yeah. This is all the Swiss banks that use this crazy mountain thing I can't remember... I know where the number's bothering me. This number 3 point was it 6 terabytes? 2.6 It's two point six Yeah, okay. So if we do here we go 2 point 6 Divided by what goes on a DVD 650 650 megabytes or 7 I'll just 650 yeah, so that would fit perfectly on for ROMs DVD roms no and you're talking about the 650 Megabytes you're talking about terabyte. I'm sorry 40 it would be 40 that's right

43:01 Wait, a DVD is 4.7 gigabytes? You know what dudes named Ben figure it out and mail us there's something to it maybe I'm just thinking the tape drive just stuck in my head That's all okay Well this probably brings up the archival thing you got to tell me story about going into them Yeah I like that And they let you out again thats the good news Now we've known each other for what 10 years John that we've really known each other Since 93 Uh, well okay. Well that's a long time but you know we've both... 22 years We know each other a little bit about each other But 10 years is good 10 years intensely and it's been an intense ten years darling And um but you know my background then of course knowing who my uncle is You could easily accuse me of being CIA asset obviously Yes Right Yeah except for the drugs thing they wouldn't let ya in No no drinking is okay in the agencies The drugs they don't like

43:59 Drinking and womanizing I had well. Hey, but I had two for the two out of three But you The you've had a few behaviors that people always like about you And there are a little bit odd, but I've always been looking to see if you know if maybe we came together because your handler or And I think that I have proof now, that you are... Oh yeah this will be good. You are a trained agent Uh-huh And I have proof, I have Jim Comey who gives it away That you're a trained agent

44:35 most likely of the Federal Bureau of Investigations. The inflection point was Snowden, really and we saw... sometimes people say to me how can you start talking about it now? You're gonna let the bad guys know! Long before I became FBI director three months the bad guys got a very clear look and terrorist tradecraft changed lots of tradecraft changed Apple didn't make its change though till the end of 2014 And it surprised me and surprised all of us. I remember how I first commented on this It was in the paper one morning and I happened to be having a regular pencil and pad meeting with the press that covers us. And someone said, I wasn't even planning to talk about this, someone says what do you think about all Apple phones are going to be encrypted now? And I imprudently just sort of wing something but the conversation about surveillance

45:23 was not driven by Apple's change or my reaction to Apple's change or litigation. It began in the summer of 2013 and you can debate whether from an overall perspective that was good or bad, I think it was bad but others have a different view but I think thats when that conversation began And i think we have an opportunity to channel into something healthy I think you should demand the details, demand to know how the government conducts surveillance. How they're overseen and constrained Demand to know how these devices work, demand to know whether it is true. You know? I saw someone do this so i copied it. I put a piece of tape

45:59 I have a, obviously a laptop. Personal laptop with a piece of tape over the camera because i saw somebody smarter than me and had a piece of tape over their camera How was it in spook school with Jim Comey? Huh?! How was it in Spook School? I made sure that you know there's a big debate whether you should use electrical tape or gaffers' tape. I used gaffers' tape Gaffers' tape is the way to go You have been doing this to the surprise of millennials for a decade What, you're putting the tape over the camera? Yeah. And now it turns out that is a learned behavior from FBI proof there from Jim Comey I think he saw it from you! You're a little slow to the game it seems to me... I think he learned it from YOU

46:44 I was at Mevio and we had these, I had two monitors. And both of them had cameras on which i thought was... Why does this other thing have a camera on? Okay so I put tape over both of them and then Butler takes the tape and he takes a three-hole punch Puts a hole in the tape and puts it back over the face of the camera shows through as though I wouldn't notice And so this is interesting, so I just offset it So the whole was still there but now that can't live with the hold but the camera itself was still covered. I Just love how Jim come running gagged with me at those why would you want to a camera? Pointed at you

47:27 I pointed at you just overtly. It makes no sense to me, so I always tape it. Okay you're avoiding the question but okay it's fine we understand. I mean I just love that Jim Comey learned it from you! That's the best part Well I'm glad he learned it from somebody but he didn't learn it from me. I think you should demand the details, demand to know how the government conducts surveillance. How they're overseen and constrained. Demand to know how these devices work. Demand to know whether it is true. You know? I saw someone do this so I copied it. I have a, obviously a laptop. Personal laptop with a piece of tape over the camera because i saw somebody smarter than me and had a piece of tape over their camera. Someone's smarter! And so I think it should channel into healthy awareness A demand for information and engagement especially young people. Yes. You really should. See you were out there showing the young people engagement... With a piece of tape on the camera. Oh, couldn't help myself

48:30 I like that one a lot. Well, with that... Where's my check? With that, I'd like to thank you for your courage and say in the morning to you John C with SCStands4.com covert handler! You would add you would you would do that now yeah, oh okay? Well then all you have to say is you gotta thank the boots and the things and all that. You know well I want to thank also in the morning to you Yes And also in the morning old boots on the ground feet in there subs in the water all the dames and knights out there yes In the morning everybody in the chatroom no agenda stream calm everyone's very awake and laughing a lot about your Your handler status Noah gender stream comm Thank you very much to put Patrick Boush

49:11 And Patrick gave us the artwork for episode number 814, Produce and Pipelines. Really liked this. It was... See it was the blue background? It was kind of a little bit of European Union flag motif with some of the stars and you had all the stars looking at one star in the middle who is sweating beads and looking unhappy. That, of course, was The Netherlands in the EU who rejected the Ukraine Association Agreement by referendum. I've kinda like one or other ones on there too but Yeah, we agree like we don't know commonly do which is you don't sometimes there's a You said this one's good for this show. This was good for this show But this one here could be an evergreen than the first future showing We don't have any yeah anybody around well Noah Jenna are generated commas where you can put your submissions in just like people who make fantastic

50:03 Songs for us and parodies and jingles we have like a couple of interesting ones for the end of show Mixed today, we get people putting together websites always come in I'd say you get about four per show And I can't you know some of them some guidelines would be probably appropriate first of all. We really love songs that are That are true parodies so a song that is a parody of a known song. That's always great It's the hardest to do very hard then we have kind of our DJs like GX2 and we have What's other other guy who was actually the one the last from? Thursday show the kind of really cool trancy one that was done by PewDiePie who does you know, the art guy Oh, yeah produce that it wasn't real good

50:52 But ideally it's two minutes in length and it has lots of show clips in it, not too much without anything. You know? Yeah! It's like a... What was that again? Okay you want lots of show clips and not too much... DJ Toretto! Got it. Alright well let's thank a few people for show 815. And we're starting off with a couple of executive producers, got three of them. Very nice. Four. Nice. Stephen Hutto, Sir Stephen Hutto in Denver 35997 and he's mailed in the note which I have here let me lift this up pronunciation guys Steven Hutto Hutto Hutto

51:49 The March shows have been fantastic, he says. Oh thank you very much! Why $359.97? Because 3 plus 5 plus 9 plus 7 equals 33. We are making that a regular donation amount from now on. Jingle request a Dvorak uh-oh and Italian shut up slave, please send relationship karma as I'm back on the market He's got ladies he's got money. He's got money so let's play the oh and you can take it from there ready yeah, I'm ready Karma Gracias

52:39 Then comes $333.33 David Killian in Clinton, Illinois and I don't think... let me look at his email that he sent us anything email wise. Let me check. David Killian? Yes, I think I do have something here. That's an old one. Oh wait! Wonder if this is an old one This is from... it's odd March 22nd Is it possible that we missed him? Okay, yeah here it is I have it. John Adam enjoy the show been listening since number one aired Please credit my donation of three to three on a Sunday show should be getting in the mail by four for sixteen There you go, please pay attention to memo in blank checks I have put info there in the past but John has not noticed it to read it off Here's what? I put on this check please read ITM credits on Sunday Show I was instant night Thank you for your courage

53:37 Also, based on my donations I am the status of double knight slash baronet today. Well there you go! And then he quotes from our peerage rules... Double knights will be referred to as Baronette or Baronettess. Optionally the owner of the title can refuse the title and wait for the next title as an all would-be title holders. So what does that mean? Does he want...? You can refuse the title because you don't wanna be called a Baronette Okay alright Oh well okay Please give me the following jingles little girl sharp slave shot of karma fall by no agenda swine flu minutes, okay? We can do that. I believe it kill you know yeah we can do that shut up slave shot a karma No agenda swine flu minute here. We go You've got karma Thank you very much Baronet Killian Jan Leclerc in Luxembourg mm-hmm

54:40 Nice Luxembourg. 31402, Hey John and Adam today's my birthday I thought what better way to celebrate being 35 than to become a sir? Uh so he is on the list for...I don't think he is listed. I'll check keep going. Um I don't think he is. I'd like to be known as...okay Sir, please Jim G. Cree Cree gee boo gee boo. Oh let me take a look at this sir Queenie Jeep we gboo we gboo we gboo what is this me? This has something you must know I have no idea I have no yeah, I know convey your boot not it's not Dutch as far as I can tell No, I don't know what it is

55:32 Sir Quijin. Last December I asked for an exam and job karma, and although it didn't work right away... ...I am now set for life as a civil servant! Wooo! That's good to hear. Alright we're on the gravy train with him John Yeah unless you couldn't till the Civil War Apparently this is a Simpsons joke Please give me a housing and love karma as I have a crush on acute co-worker. Long live the best podcast in the universe, okay? Hope you get lucky! You've got karma. Richard that would be our third executive producer for show 815. Indeedy. Richard Henderson in New Westminster BC 244.44 Hi fellas 2.44

56:26 244.44 is 233.33 plus another 1111 for John's belated birthday! Buy yourself something frilly, woohoo! No note other than to say... I don't know what this is no note other than to just say keep doing what you're doing Adam can you please play me three random clips preferably something you've not heard in ages thanks and 73s V87 OG I guess Something we haven't heard in ages original he's alpha 7 the original gangster and he wants three The original gangsta Okay, I'll do this it was worth it. It was worth it You've got karma We haven't had that a long time

57:34 Okay, I have the Simpsons episode with Quijiboo if you're interested. Oh okay? Let's see what it is. Someone's uh... Why is this not working here we go? Hello? Oh here we go. You gave him the karma or what? He gave the karma. Yeah. How can anyone make a word out of these lousy letters oh wait Here's a good one do Chick-fil-A This is boring. That's boring. It's boring and I can tell you this from the first season. Sounds like it! No, it is because that's a Homer's voice change. Ah okay. Sir Chris Spears in Austin Texas right down the street from me 22222 In the morning John and Adam as always wanted to thank you for your outstanding product And hope this small bit of value for value finds you well As this donation should elevate me to the level of baronet I feel entitled to ask only two things firstly

58:29 All of this meetup talk, when is there one in Austin? You have a lot of people there. Yeah we do! If you can do them in Austin I'd probably pull in 30 people. Yeah, I'm ready for it. Secondly, I beseech you for Charlie Rose and Lord Dvorak's call for obedience. Tell me about this sexuality... It's in your DNA. You've got karma. Yeah, I can read through the code. I gotcha Sir Chris Sir Nick of the South Side in Herndon, Virginia. Yay, Virginia! 20345 Gentlemen fantastic shows have laid I particularly enjoyed the Apple update analysis. I'm going out to lost wages and would like some travel and gambling karma. I'd also like to hear a Fletcher Putin LIFO and Obama A-Team keep up the good work sir Nick at the South Side. PUTIN LIFO

59:28 There's a need for rescue mission when the world is threatened the world needs help it calls on America And that's the story you've got karma No b12 needed today, I guess not oh You know what turns out but what's this seed guy sells B 12? We were being we're being accused of creating a native ad for b12 The seed guy selling B12s? Yep. I have a funny seed guy clip. Oh good. Before we get to Stuart Morrison, who is our last executive producer... I think we should play it. Where it's called the Glenn Beck Clip

1:00:20 Okay Doesn't need any intro no, okay, so there's just pervy you know like going back on national TV that time But I became a Mormon psychic have sex with my life. You like giggle now weird little perv sweatery wear It's just it's like uh Perve alert people got gaydar man. I got pervar pervert are and let me tell you that guy is a Pervert if I ever saw one. I don't know what he's perving into I'm not I don't know anything about I was good Tara now Don't like going back and had enough of it's not racist. It's fact Anyway the RB 12 were given Beckham got this thing going on where they just go after each other pretty sad, I know I don't know what it is

1:01:04 Anyway, we're being accused on the subreddit of providing a native ad for b12 So could you send my part of the check over please? Where's our check I'm ready for the check sir check Dogs you can buy that are part jellyfish There's always hope You know before we do this like yeah I was thinking happened to us quite honestly And I know you must have the same from time to time. I think it's to myself Self what if this went away? What would you do because you'd have no money within a few weeks. You know be broke and Yeah, I'll be very broke anything could happen on it We could be shut down you know if I die that's bad news for everybody but for me super bad news And you know of you died bad news for me is all bad news from me really I have No career. I've no savings and then I realized I have nothing to worry about

1:01:59 It hit me just watching all this TV, particularly the news channels. I'm like, oh! I'm set by the time i'm 65 if I can hold in or hold on until I'm 65 I can sell reverse mortgages to the MTV generation. You've heard a lot about reverse mortgages. Let me explain, I have this handy DVD but maybe then the MTV generation will be able to get a thumb drive yeah and before you do that i will show you that half of that business those guys are doing is mailing lists So I have mailing lists to start with. This is great news! We can use the no agenda mailing list and I can sell reverse mortgages.

1:02:43 So I'm not worried. Let's get poor Stuart sitting here waiting and by the way, here is another one you've got to put on the list. Apparently if there is a birthday Eric spots the birthday and then he misses the other. Why do all these knights having birthdays on the same day as they want them to get their knighting? Stuart Morrison in South Yara Victoria Australia $201 hi John it takes me to knighthood put him on the list okay Stuart Morrison yeah I will send you an email with accounting I am an orthopedic trainee from Melbourne, and i want to thank you for eight years of quality listening. This is my 30th birthday on Monday." So he's been listening since he was 22, and he stuck with us! He's not a man overboard or anything like that. Isn't that great? And I thought this would be an ideal way to celebrate, because it took him eight years to become a knight

1:03:37 See you, so did you know I'm very proud. I love hearing it a lot along You don't have to do it all at once although It's cool when you do see you in the meetup soon the rest assured I'm stockpiling decent wines for when you finally make it down under hey um yeah So this was funny if I said Tina I said hey you want to run away for a year She said yeah okay my lease is up in September We kind of left it at that but I'm just saying you never know Well, you can do the show from Australia. Would you imagine if we just took off and just toured the world? Oh my God! How awesome would that be?! And I say... don't use that word lightly You and Mike Elgin, you can meet up Okay Alright That was a great idea I guess i'm just staying here in Austin Thanks John There's a lot of hot spots around the world, go visit them And that's why they call you The Buzzkill

1:04:28 You might even run into him on the road no there No, that is no. No hey. What are you doing? I don't feel good around a Burundi hey fancy meeting you and Doha Exactly now well. I thought it was a good idea all right well give give us a shot at Karma for being a loyal fan Karma But I would love to do that. And I would love it. You could, you could buy as well! Yeah but she has...she would have to give up her job, is this not something you just DO? Or she'd have to come up with... Maybe if your income increased a little bit here on the show you can afford it

1:05:11 Let's remind people we do have a show coming up next Thursday, Dvorak.org slash NA. You might want to take out... I've been trying to promote the $33.33 subscriptions but 1111 is fine and they're all on the support page, Dvorak.org slash NA Yes, we'll get it together here. And as we usually like to tell people these credits the ones that we do at the beginning of the show are executive producers are associate executive producers go ahead look at any of the TV shows now Amazon has their you know their new shows out You'll see who created it Been in this case in Amazon's cases a lot of celebrities who were producing which really means they don't have to bring in money per se but They probably do and I probably do so

1:05:54 These producers, you get right up front. You get the credit it's real and accepted wherever credits are recognized." And as John said we have another show coming up... Yes? Well, and in a movie business the people that are producers or executive producers generally almost always have something to do with the money TV gets mixed bag of writers and who knows what. Yeah. So instead of hooking up with actors and actresses and doing coke and hanging out with them, we give you karma Now which would you rather have? Just better. It's much, much better here one for everybody just in case. Better for the nose. You've got it. It's karma. It's better for the nose. Dvorak dot org slash N-A. All right now maybe you don't have any talent for creating stuff you can always help us by propagating formula. Our formula is this we go out we hit people in the mouth. Hey citizen.

1:06:52 Shut up, shut up. Just shut up. Don't laugh and you hear about God I wish I had done this talk just by thinking we're talking about the security of the Iron Mountain stuff and all that The way radio stations are set up these days, certainly top 40 radio stations ever since Clear Channel bought I Heart Radio and then they became I Heart Radio. And there was a leverage buyout and so this company that's about to fall over that owns close to 900 radio stations across America... Yeah thanks to Bill Clinton

1:07:37 It's a well it was the number of people Bob Pittman is running it who of course no I mean they passed the laws that allowed this to be get out of control for the media laws your ownership laws Yeah, of course. Well it was but nice side note is that it was a leveraged buyout from Bain Capital which of course is Romney's company so this place owes 27 billion dollars Bob Pittman has all his compensation tied to company performance so he's freaking out because they can't service the debt so there if it's not if they're gonna fall over its win But to cut costs and cut corners, what they did is... We've been looking at the death of radio. It's been a very slow drowning and it'll take another decade. Blub blub blub. It's total blub blub blub. So they'd take one morning guy put him in his studio and have him talk to five different markets at the same time. And all this goes through studio transmitter links

1:08:31 And these of course, they used to be little low power transmitters that would transmit the signal from the station up to the big transmitter tower on the hill or whatever you have. These days it's all done by internet and someone hacked in to a number of these studio transmitter links of the KXCx radio group, which has I think it was six or seven different radio stations. And the hack was so good they hacked in and started playing porn just audio for... They kept it going for several hours because the dudes named Ben had to go out to the actual transmitter stations to get... Right, which they never do! They never liked to do that Yeah, they'd do it once a month to check the equipment

1:09:14 But man, what a great hack. We're gonna have so many of these opportunities. Oh yeah that's one of those oh! What a great idea Yeah we should do something like that. We're gonna have a lot of these. It would be porn you know political stuff there are all kinds of things you could've spammed but no porn which is typical I know that's the sad part That's the sad part Well... funny So first off this can be done Play The Fungus Among Us for hours on end The Fungus Among Us Or just play the no agenda show. I'm just saying what a great little idea that would be That wouldn't be bad if we got nothing to do with it, huh? No of course not We're just suggesting what would be cool. That's all it would be cool But you know again we discourage it yeah, we don't win Okay okay

1:10:03 Just thought it was nice. It was, that's a good... I didn't know that had happened they kept it... A lot of the news I've collected today because I went and listened to some Democracy Now!, once in awhile they get on a roll and they gets a lot of these stories that nobody covers and even when PBS again when PBS covered the Panama Papers they did a poor job and listen to this shallow PBS news item this is The Fast & Furious scandal clip Off of PBS, I'm thinking this could be one of the most important news stories. They don't even bother going into it they just make this announcement. The Obama administration today turned over thousands of documents on Operation Fast and Furious. They involve a gun-running investigation that may have let Mexican drug gangs get their hands on 2,000 weapons. House Republicans demanded the documents four years ago

1:10:56 The president claimed executive privilege. In January, a federal judge rejected that claim." Yeah it seems like the Obama administration is trying to clean house of it just get some stuff out and get some stuff out sweep this away get that done maybe trying to get some news and focus it away from whatever's going on with the Panama Papers who knows who knows? It's one of the oddest things we've ever seen I'd say Well, this thing here of course no one's gonna follow up now. I mean it's like another screwball story I got and put him screwball stories in today hmm we're actually oh yeah here so here's one This is a play this clip. This is a clip that should have gotten more ink or ink and play but it didn't triple tap drone strike

1:11:47 Listen to this horrible story. Afghan officials say at least 17 civilians were killed by US drone strikes in Afghanistan Wednesday, the first strike reportedly hit the truck of a local elder who was on his way to resolve a land dispute killing the elder and 11 others. The second drone reportedly struck and killed two people who are collecting their bodies. A third drone strike reportedly killed three more who'd come to see what had happened The Pentagon's confirmed two of the three drone strikes, but says there were no civilian casualties. I was thinking about this especially since the president on the last show we played the clip where he for the first time as far as we know just said hey sometimes we kill civilians oops yeah i'm sorry didn't even say i'm sorry just sometimes we kill civilians here's the question oh it is damn sorry here's the question

1:12:38 with all of these terrorist attacks in France and Belgium, then San Bernardino. Why? We love having conversations...conversation in this country or this country's conversation. Why do we stop the conversation about why the terrorists are doing this? Do we still remember why? They hate our democracy and our freedom. Yeah that's the reason that's what they told us No, they hate- no we've heard very clearly they hate us because we're killing them. Oh I guess that could be! Yeah shouldn't we have that conversation? It's never brought up again just pay attention to it Never do you hear hey why are they doing this oh i forgot why are they doing this Because I think if you say because they hate our democracy and way of life I think he'd be laughed off television if you said it

1:13:35 They say it. No, I have no that this conversation doesn't take place anymore they do not say that anymore find me a recent clip where the word said oh they hate our freedoms we know what we know is not religion John we know it's not religion is not Islamist terrorism and we know that because that's what did we keep hearing you can't day hey you've Islamophobes? No! It's not about Islam okay What is it then Well, I've got a bunch of clips that i was going to put in abeyance but i may have to play them now because you brought this up. And this is a guy who wrote... This guy used to be a colonel and the army's he's a professor and he wrote his new book. Bacevich is his name

1:14:20 and he was on Democracy Now. One of the few things Democracy Now does well is they bring people on who just wrote a book that, of course it's always long- Yeah, of course it has an angle to it but they have actually a deeper conversation than most people do including Charlie Rose to talk about later, but just see if you can how much you want to put up with this. But here's Bacevich part one intro. US war in the Middle East is the subject of a new book by retired army colonel Andrew Basovich titled America's War for The Greater Middle East A Military History and the book

1:14:57 Bacevich argues the United States has been involved in gigantic failed war with the Middle East since the 1980s that continues today with no end in sight. In this new book, Andrew Bacevich writes quote as an American who cares deeply about the fate of his country I should state plainly my own assessment of this ongoing war, now well into its fourth decade. We have not won it. We are not winning it. Simply trying harder is unlikely to produce a different outcome." Andrew Bacevich is professor emeritus of international relations and history at Boston University, also author of several other books including Washington Rule

1:15:35 America's Path to Permanent War. His son was killed in action in Iraq, in 2007." Professor Bacevich welcome back to Democracy Now! It is great having you with us. We will prevail George HW Bush we will prevail his son George W Bush we will prevail President Obama have we prevailed and anyway well I have to say those are exquisitely chosen clips because they really do illustrate What's the point of my book? And that is that we have been engaged militarily in the greater Middle East, large parts of the Islamic world for going on four decades. We've engaged in innumerable interventions—large small brief protracted

1:16:22 And we have yet to come anywhere close to achieving our aims whether whether whether we define our aims as restoring stability or promoting democracy or reducing the prevalence of anti-americanism it's not happening and Arguably, our military efforts are actually making things worse. Okay? Thank you well that's clear and did Amy Goodman say I Well, maybe we should stop killing people. Maybe the terrorism would slow down a bit What I would actually expect her to say was well and this has what to do with global warming

1:17:02 How does that fit in again, how can I back it in how can I back global warming into this? It didn't manage to do that which is a stunner although Zika is now being backed into that here and oh yeah in the States Yeah with the Zika virus we have to be cognizant of global warming because it makes the Zika fires grow Like this guy sure definitely all right let's play part two Well, interestingly, as you point out, before 1980 virtually no American soldier had ever been killed in any kind of military action in that part of the world. And since 1980 very few have been killed who were not in that part of the world.

1:17:43 How—this shift that occurred, from the Middle East being largely an area of influence or control by the European colonial powers to the United States exercising such a huge role. How did that happen? Well, we Americans have forgotten, but prior to the beginning of the Cold War, the United States was not a great military power. We raised forces from time to time to deal with some particular issue, but it was in the wake of the Cold War that we as a nation decided on a permanent basis to maintain a large military establishment. For the first several decades of that Cold War, The United States had two priorities. We were willing to fight for Western Europe. We were willing to fight... did fight in East Asia. We were not willing to fight for the Middle East. That changes in 1980 specifically

1:18:35 a particular moment in January of 1980 when President Jimmy Carter, in his State of the Union address promulgates what's known as the Carter Doctrine. I think we actually have a clip on that and we'd like to go to that now this is Jimmy Carter January 23rd 1980 delivering the State of the Union Address you mentioned laying out what would later become known as The Carter Doctrine Let our position be absolutely clear An attempt by any outside force to gain control of the Persian Gulf region will be regarded as an assault on the vital interest of the United States of America. Nice work for a Democrat! And such an assault will be repelled by any means necessary, including military force

1:19:32 Wow, okay. So it was Carter who had a dem- fine Democrat who started that? Yeah yeah Oh no one knows about it Actually the reason why we have terrorists is because of George W Bush That's really the answer Apparently its Jimmy Carter Yeah turns out Jimmy Carter was the first to throw down the gauntlet I didn't know that Yeah Jimmy Carter also if you start looking into responsible For the homeless situation in this country because of some law changes that took place because there wasn't a homeless problem before he came around. Really? Yeah, it had to do with the... Some sort of lending process or something There was some specific thing and I've been discussed before by some of these guys I just don't remember the details but it would trace us back to Carter So we okay exacerbated by We did not have...so where there were no homeless people

1:20:22 There was, it wasn't a homelessness that the way it is now where there's people all over the place begging for money. It was not a problem until Carter came along and then it started to become a problem and then it became something people focused on if you remember that my favorite event was hands across America. I love that one we got to I don't know did we get to Peoria? Don't know they went across the country with a few gaps yeah And it was, and I met the guy at some dinner party. Obama bought parties years and years ago obviously in the 70's or 80's. It was a dinner with this guy who did it and I got a little pin and um... lapel pin. They were dead serious that this is going to solve their homeless problem. We've heard this over and over again. I mean its just ridiculous!

1:21:15 Well, I'd like to find out what that is. I'm definitely going to do some research on it. I like that and know what's going on there. And then of course then when Clinton came around again gave the banks free reign to do anything they wanted to and let the economy go to hell Yeah, and it was even though we had a balanced budget That was the end of that surplus yeah You know, does he want to play a little more of this guy? Yeah. It's good with me sure I think it's interesting the base of its three would go well one of the things to appreciate i think is that carter himself had no understanding Of the implications that would flow from that statement What what happens on an immediate basis Is that the national security bureaucracy

1:21:57 now redefines its priorities and begins to orient itself toward the possibility of armed intervention by U.S. forces in the region, and over the course of the next 10 years that process begins. Reagan sending peacekeepers into Lebanon, the initial jousting with Colonel Qaddafi in Libya Support for Saddam Hussein of all people in what I refer to as the first Gulf War, that's the Gulf War of 1980-88.

1:22:33 pitting Iraq against Iran with the United States coming to the aid of Iraq. So Carter starts the process of militarizing US policy which over time deepens, becomes more frequent and becomes more ambitious and becomes more, more costly. Bringing us to where we are today in 2016 where we continue to hear these speeches by presidents who insisting that we will prevail when obviously we have not. Oh man this is good it's surprising the democracy now had this guy on for so long They do that once in a while It's always surprising to me too And I cut a lot of this out but here's the wrap which actually to me

1:23:22 It's got a couple of zingers in there that I just think are interesting. Again, as they were for oil and the proximate trigger of Carter's speech was the Iranian revolution which had produced a second oil shock of the 1970s combined with the Soviet intervention in Afghanistan which in Washington raised fears that...I mean they're bizarre notions but raised fear is that the Soviets were going to march across Iran and attack Saudi Arabia. So at a time when we were increasingly dependent upon foreign oil to include oil from the Persian Gulf, yes we decided to fight for the region but I argue that there really was much more at stake than simply access to oil that in the context of The Times, the war for the greater Middle East really becomes an effort

1:24:17 to refute the notion that the United States is a country that has to take, to accept limits. To affirm the claim of American exceptionalism, of our uniqueness, of our special status in history and in the world at large." Yeah we're a bunch of A-holes. Yeah well there's an element does... There's quite an element of A-holeness in there! My goodness. So that's a dead end? Yeah, oh here's another. Here's another story since it's kind of related to this Here's a story that again no network big shots Nobody's playing this story again democracy now picked it up because this is perfect for them They love the sort of story but play this clip was just slightly disgusting This is the rebuilding Afghanistan failure clip a US oversight office has issued a damning report indicating 113 billion dollar

1:25:14 effort to reconstruct Afghanistan has largely been a failure. The report details shoddily built structures, dangerous roads, hundreds of empty schools. The U.S. special inspector general for Afghanistan reconstruction John Sapko who was responsible for the report said quote 15 years into an unfinished work of funding and fighting we must indeed ask what went wrong since 2002 the u.s. has spent more than 113 billion billion dollars on reconstruction efforts, more than the total spending on the Marshall Plan to rebuild Europe after World War II. How much was it John? 113 billion and all I got was some shanties and lean-to's? Apparently all the schools nobody is going in any of those schools. This makes me sick to my stomach! They won't fix you're on highway 80

1:26:05 You know, along those lines we also there was a $3 billion effort that is not complete yet. The United States USAID has been paying for a wall to be built between Tunisia and Libya. Yes I know I heard this. It's like 250 mile wall. I didn't get a clip on this but it's very funny they're doing that. Yeah we're paying for it and but it's an actual wall because you know we got the although if you look to the left But I think the real problem Tunisia will have is Algeria. That's the whole length of their country, the borders on Algeria... ...I'd say that's a little more frightening but what they really don't want is ISIS-IS- whatever ISIL coming through their border with Libya and going on you know I guess populating Tunisia. But anyway we're paying for that so 113 billion where's the outrage?

1:27:06 They don't play the story. Nobody can be Irish because nobody knows this! That's crazy This is a government report and the only news outlet that played it, even- And I'm including Darcella and France 24 and all these other outlets i've been listening to. I haven't been listening to China News that much but they might be playing it CNN or CCN or whatever it's called Democracy Now plays it because it's a perfect, this is their model which is to slam the country. They're really not pro-American by any means so they play and that seems like another thing that everyone should be playing and there should be an outrage but nobody wants... The powers that be do not want in outrage

1:27:49 So just keep the public stupid, there's Kardashian news. There's all kinds of good stuff that is very entertaining. The voice is back on... Stop! Stop! Oh my god Kim is snapchatting little photos of their new baby Exactly so that seems to be getting more attention Yeah This total outrage this over a hundred billion dollars? It's ridiculous That's a lot of moolah That's what Apple owns Taxpayers money For what? And it doesn't even, you know... This is corruption at its highest level. This money's going to somebody! Well yeah, this is the thing that Trump keeps saying. All kinds of waste fraud and abuse I'm gonna take care of it Daddy will take care of it. I'm sure he will. Daddy, take care of this There was a refreshing moment if we can switch gears from this Yes please It was a refreshing moment on CNBC which I do like watching

1:28:49 And they had, this is about North Carolina's anti-LGBT law. I think in North Carolina this is the bathroom law, is it not? Yeah the bathroom law. The only people I really hear speaking about the bathroom law are gay men. But do not hear gay women, I do not here straight women, I do not here straight men... Gay men, well LGBTQIAAP what should be It's just the gay men yelling about it. So CNBC had a transgender woman on... who was a CEO of a company, I think it has to do with farming and produce. Pretty big company in North Carolina and it was so refreshing to hear someone... because you rarely hear a transgender person talking about the bathroom law! Everybody else is outraged! And that's what they should be talking about. It's really the transgender people who would have the biggest issue with a law like this. The toilet law

1:29:51 My god, what has become of my country? We have a law about which toilet you can use. Wake up sheeple! You're insane! Anyway it was refreshing to hear a refreshing take and no surprise the person who would affect most transgendered women is like me like disappointment and displeasure to the government. Do you think that's changing the dynamic? I think over time it will, if you go to North Carolina people in North Carolina are awesome and certainly it has gone a long way from the Jesse Helms days when he said he was going to take Research Triangle Park and build a fence around it But would you move? No we would not move out of North Carolina We've got hundreds of employees there It is going to be the headquarters for a future organ manufacturing facility for us

1:30:56 So we love North Carolina, we love North Carolinians and I'm 100% confident the law will move in a progressive direction. PayPal just cancelled plans for an operations center that had planned for 400 workers to be there it was a $3.5 billion project what do you think about business that takes that stance? And i think Paypal was just like phew! We got a reason not to open that piece of crap were losing money hand over foot here. Um you know paypal maybe their workforce is more mobile because it's so much of like a cyber business but we're doing medicine and blood and stuff like that. So people are stable, they have long-term family relationships, we deal with doctors, we deal with Duke University, the University of North Carolina...so we are embedded in North Carolina. Okay okay Martin thank you! My pleasure!

1:31:41 He's right. He she I don't know what she She she and we have absolutely correct the people of North Carolina are fantastic They're very creative is one of the best states. I do wait how this they got into this mix a great Yeah, it's odd isn't it that North Carolina got into that? Yes It's just a great state and the people are fantastic. I love going to North Carolina. I've always had a good time there Well, they have good barbecue. I'm glad you asked me email He she whatever because I have a another guideline here for you if you're interested From the gate trying to get this part figured out well maybe this will help this is from g-safe What does sis stand for? Is what's it stand for okay hold on a second hold on a second book of knowledge? definition of cisgender

1:32:38 Hmm. I'm not sure what you meant by that question. Uh-huh gay hater yeah Let me try Let me see if i can do this one on a second book of knowledge definition of cis The word cis means an alliance made up of states that had been soviet socialist republics in the stop No, it didn't work Okay, but I have a handy little document here which is in the show notes at 815.noagendanotes.com and this is from the GSAFE, the Gay Straight Alliance for Safe Schools John. This is safe schools and this is titled What The Heck Is PGP?

1:33:24 Which of course is already a brain freeze for many of us. Yeah, I mean it's pretty good privacy. No no no no no no! Pronouns are everywhere we use them every day in speech and writing to take the place of people's names We use them without even thinking about it but have you ever tried speaking without using any pronouns? Give it a try Whoops! I meant to say, give speaking without using any pronouns a try. Not easy is it? Oh brother... Yeah. Pronouns may not seem like a big deal but they become a bigger deal when you try to live without them and for some people- I think we should just live without pronouns that would be much better For some people pronouns are a big deal because other folks don't always use the correct pronoun so describe them A preferred gender pronoun

1:34:15 Ah, PGP. Is simply the pronoun or set of pronouns that an individual would like others to use when talking to or about that individual. So we know all the most frequently used ones I you she he her him it it I you etc These are... okay one way to make sure your GSA which is Gay School Association Or club is being inclusive and welcoming for transgender or other gender non-conforming people. My god It's to incorporate PGPs into your regular intro activities John, this is how we roll with our regular intro activities Do you have your regular intro activity on a file open?

1:34:59 Yeah, it's open. If you start every meeting by having those present share their names ask them to share their PGP as well for example My name is Jasmine I'm a sophomore and my PGPs are she and her Hi! I'm Diego I'm 17 a senior in my preferred gender pronouns are he him and his You with me so far? Uh... Do you want more? I mean this is a bottomless pit. Remember, just like sexual orientation, a person's gender identity can be very personal and private. GSA members or anyone for that matter

1:35:38 I guess that's gay sexually allied. I don't know what it is, should never feel pressure to share how they identify if someone does not choose to share and that's great! If someone does choose to share that's great And that information should remain confidential within the GSA unless the person has specifically said it's okay to talk about it elsewhere. Everything is great! So here are the activities we need to work on, John. Number one, neutralize it! For this activity you will need at least two people and some reading material Do you have any reading material?

1:36:14 I have the list of clips. Well, we can try that this activity can be done in pairs or in a larger group ask students to grab a book they are reading for a class or for fun novels with a lot of character descriptions and narrative work and narrative would work well okay you really need to read it web page is something I think so you have to let me find yeah oh let me see hold on a second give me a second here what I'm gonna do is bring up something by Jane Austin perfect So you have to read for 30 seconds and replace all the gendered pronouns, she he her him with gender neutral or gender inclusive pronouns. So that can be Z or here H-I-R here. Yeah Okay go. Wait I'm still on the web

1:37:06 You're rushing me here, I said. So I typed in Jane Austen for... Oh, I'm sorry. Here's the funny thing you're gonna get a kick out of this. I ended up doing it-I was into my email so I ended up doing the search In the email inbox. Oh no! Oh, you were on Squirrel Mail? Of course. Yeah, I'm on Squirrel Mail. Okay let me go hold on I think it's going to be very hard to do this. It's gonna be toughy, man. I don't think you qualify for this kind of talk. Thanks Obama. Let me see if i can find a copy... There we go! First published in... Okay here we go. Document structure. Well I want to show you the document let me find it. Document... Pride and Prejudice... Here we go. You have to turn every pronoun into a gender neutral pronoun and I recommend

1:38:03 Just do Z or zer. Zero zero z or zero Ze or ZIR z or I'm going to chapter 4 of volume 1 when Jane and Elizabeth were alone the former who had been cautious in zer praise Those zur praise a mr.. Bingley before expressed too Zer sister how very much she and oh she admired G is just what a young man ought to be said sure It makes it very lit it just brings the quality of the literature really but really brings it out doesn't it I?

1:39:00 Ah, alright. Well everyone can practice for themselves. Remember PGP preferred gender pronoun work on it people do the math people oh man well yeah so they did a number on the political scene On Bernie this week hold on before you go there. I just want to wrap up the gay thing then I'm done Oh, you're not where you don't haven't wrapped up the gay thing now The gay thing is wrapping right from there to hug a Brit and gone So while we are all messed up about the pronouns here in the United States And I mean were messed up sis We're syst up baby totally cysts up today

1:39:47 The French, well they're boomeranging around in kind of the right direction. They're much more liberal and understanding and just...they're French you know? I'm impressed. Tina and i are going to be visiting France we're going to Paris uh going to the Netherlands maybe we'll hit London if we're lucky nice to know that the Brussels uh you know they picked up a couple guys in Brussels and they said oh we were actually planning on hitting France again so it's nice we'll be there We'll probably go take the train. We're going to stop in Brussels and then go to Paris, it will be fantastic." Anyway... You get a URail pass? That's the cheapest way to do it. Yep! Anyway so they've changed there was a little lawsuit going on there in Paris

1:40:28 and I think this is a very good trend. An employment tribunal in Paris has decided calling a male hairdresser faggot is not homophobic. The hearing says this because hair salons regularly employ gay people the case concerns a stylist who was sacked after not turning up for work due to sickness he launched a claim for unfair dismissal after the boss of the salon mistakenly sent him a text using the word. French employment minister Miriam El Khomri has described the verdict as scandalous. The tribunal agreed the term used was insulting, however it decided it could not be considered discriminatory. The employee who wants to remain anonymous was awarded 5000 euros he plans to appeal

1:41:15 Discriminatory. Discriminatory, yeah. Yeah discriminatory. Discriminatory. I think that's the show title. The Celebrity was not discriminatory That's a very strange story. I have to say the least! Hey, call him faggot! Can we do some sort of news story so we can use the word faggot over and over in the story? Yeah i think we got one it's one out of France It's perfect. I like how that opening is just...that's one of the best opening clips I've ever heard An employment tribunal in Paris has decided calling a male hairdresser a faggot is not homophobic

1:41:56 That's a headline. That's just the headline right there that says I so you should say that faggot is not homophobic oh My oh my oh, my Thanks Obama exactly good work. It's Obama You're putting in my Sanders ISO now Sanders ISO always happy with that thank you always the pleasure If Sanders got his, uh... Got his butt handed to him by, um... Charlie Rose. Yeah, did you get a clip off of that? I do in fact they have the Charlie Rose and this is the only part of it he starts off slowly but this is where it starts to go This is as little it turns out to be long He had him on for five minutes And he was just going after him yeah It was unbelievable maybe because he had you know Him and Hillary had been going back and forth on some things and so they were promoting this idea that no Hillary is qualified

1:42:59 It's just it was stupid. The whole thing was stupid! Well, Charlie is friends with Clinton isn't he? Oh yeah, no Charlie is all in but this whole thing was set up... I think Sanders was an idiot for going on. This Charlie Rose eviscerates Sanders that's blatant. Do you mind if I do that ISO real quick so we have it for the end of show Yeah, go for it. An employment tribunal in Paris has decided calling a male hairdresser a faggot... Should I just use this part? Calling a male hairdresser a faggot is not homophobic How about just that bit That's perfect! That's a good ISO. Okay. Calling a male hairdresser a faggot is not homophobic I like them

1:43:43 I'm not homophobic. That's too funny, man. Oh my oh my okay i'll save that here okay let me just test it make sure it's working there we go save and here's the here's the iso calling a male hairdresser a faggot is not homophobic perfect okay thank you dad and wash your hands after eating any meat well perfect combo meat is coming up yes Meat. Would you want to hear those two together? No, no why not? Calling a male hairdresser faggot is not homophobic and wash your hands after touching any raw meat You amuse yourself Why else do the show of course I'm amusing myself there's no other reason for that Okay i'm sorry back to our regularly scheduled programming All right Charlie Rose eviscerates Bernie Sanders

1:44:44 I have tried to run an issue-oriented campaign, which is what i believe the American people want to hear. They want to hear about what ideas we have to improve their lives not just attacking each other every day but what I do have to say Charlie you know if we are getting attacked uh every single day by the Clinton campaign I want them to know we're going to respond in kind but I hope that we do not... Do you believe? Interestingly, exact same words Trump used when he said people call me on stuff. I'm going to respond is the exact same words he's getting the same treatment now. The same treatment and did you see how big that crowd was? He had over the weekend

1:45:21 Huge. But I hope that we do not believe Secretary Clinton is unqualified to be president Well, does Secretary Clinton believe that i am unqualified to be president? Why can't you simply say yes she has some of the a first-rate resume in terms of books Hold on a second hold on a second book of knowledge Is Hillary Clinton qualified to be president Hmm, I can't find the answer to the question. I heard that's a life in public service She is one of the most qualified people she has years of experience She is extremely intelligent so what you should say because she is You know, I have some experience do now? I have a pretty good record in Congress as a senator As a mayor, I think I am qualified to be president So to answer your question, you're right We should not get into this tit-for-tat

1:46:11 We should be debating the issues facing the American people. All I am saying is that if people are going to attack us, if they're going to distort our record as has been the case time and time again we're gonna respond People are saying that tenor of this campaign has changed and it's sounding more like the Republican campaign Well let's not go that far But take a listen to this This is what you said You said that Clinton should apologize for Iraq war deaths Do you really believe for Iraqi war deaths? This is after I like this that Sanders, we explained it. I don't think anyone cares but again he's getting the Trump treatment from everybody because they're just taking little bits and pieces bits and bobs out of context right totally out of context and then Sanders is not handling this very well at all no what would you recommend he do instead of what he's about to do Well here's the way okay play

1:47:07 The way he deals with this and then I'll tell you what he, the way should have dealt. Do really believe for Iraqi war deaths? This is after I was asked to apologize for the tragedy in Sandy Hook You know put these things again in a context It is tit-for-tat but are you know I'm responding you know attacks that are being made against me. I'm asking where the tenor of this campaign is going Is that going too far? Alright do you want explain it now or we wanna continue He asked him a question, is she responsible for the... because he's making this point when he gives his speech that she voted for the thing and then she says well he is light on gun laws so he's responsible for Sandy Hook. Now play that Charlie question again and substitute what I think you should say which is start with the word yes

1:48:00 Okay, is she responsible for the war? Ah right. Yeah say yes go yes instead he answers the question with a question moron yeah what you should say is Yes if I'm responsible for the deaths of Sandy Hook then she's responsible for the deaths in it and the Iraq War that's just the logic of it or can go on from there but he doesn't do that he goes we get all wimpy The proceeding was a free sample of the Curry-Dvorak political consulting group. And then boom, let it go. That's not true of what he was going to do and Charlie would get flustered He never put it on Charlie. Charlie was just attacking attacking attacking and he did a crap job Well I think what Mr Sanders is now witnessing...he was not ready for it

1:49:08 Because he got kind of a free ride cute guy old guy ha ha whatever But now the Clinton machine is cranked up and focus its lasers on him nice for Donald Trump. I might add really nice actually Yeah, I think so all that abortion stuff is hype it's kind of forgotten It's unbelievable cycle luckily for him cut but you know I'm responding You know to attacks that are being made against me and also the viciousness of the Democrats, because I like watching this part just as much. The viciousness of the Democratic Party and how they're fighting and... And I spoke to a number of bots although it wasn't really in a huge political conversation but all of them are now using the hold your nose and vote for Hillary line! And I say you know i'm so sad You telling me that you have to hold your nose because of the rotting smelling fish stank coming out of Hillary Clinton

1:50:04 So you can vote for her and not puke, is that what you're saying? To which they say... Thanks Obama. I'm asking where the tenor of this campaign is going And-and Is that going too far to say she bears responsibility for Iraqi war deaths Why bear responsibility For the tragedy in What an idiot Horrors of Sandy Hook So, you know let's get off of that. Of course she doesn't bear responsibility He does the worst thing he should totally jam it to her there well the war in Iraq This guy didn't know how to fight He didn't know how to fight. That was a very bad vote in my view, do I hold her accountable? No. Do i hear you? A sigh girl in the chat room uh Charlie Rose this is on The Morning Show a lot of people watch that. You saying tonight no actually this was the CBS Evening News oh even more people watch that

1:50:55 Yes, there's a lot of people that watch it and we went on for over five minutes. This is huge segment. And then he carried it onto his own Charlie Rose show. Right? Do I hold her accountable now? Do I hear you saying tonight that I'm embarrassed by these personal attacks that are taking place in the leading back that stop it. Yeah listen to him leading the witness on this one this is this Sanders should not have put up with this. This is interviewee 101, he should not have put up with this absolutely but he got a free ride now he's getting hammered and he's gonna...this I think is the turning point for him He has to learn how to defend himself

1:51:33 Or it's just as you know, they'll get nowhere and he is kind of winning some states I will say this by the way and you can wait as you listen to this. This is on the CBS Evening News No, none of the Millennials that are voting for Sanders None of his supporters listened to these shows so he got away with that one It was only the old farts that listened to these news shows That are all in for Hillary already from all this says has confirmed their voting decision Do I hold her accountable? No. Do I hear you saying tonight that I'm embarrassed by these personal attacks that are taking place and all I have done is respond to attacks but i'm embarrassed and they are giving a tone to this campaign that I don't like, I don't like the fact that I have to participate in it and I wish it would stop on both sides. Okay John what would be uh... What would the correct answer be

1:52:28 Well, I would... well the correct answer is no answer to this because he let him do it. He should have stopped them. You just interrupted him and said- Putting words in my mouth! Yeah something like that. I mean the idea you're- I don't like that as a defense because then you have to say what the words were? I think that's not a good one. This is why he's... this is just Charlie being a real pro about how he does his own show where answers an unasked question in advance of... Right. ...say, well you would answer that question this way right here you would say this and then you'd say that then you'd say this then you'd say that And before you know it Charlie's got your pinned in Yeah This is a tough one to get out of yeah You should have like... You could say hey you're pinning me in by putting words in my mouth putting thoughts in my head This is not necessarily the way I feel about these things I'm glad that you see it that way Or he could have just gone He just kind of go

1:53:17 My heart I saw anything any that I have to participate in it, and I wish it would stop on both sides Bernie Sanders wouldn't do like you Are you willing to say that? Yeah? Oh yeah look Charlie, you're looking at a guy who's been in politics for a long time. Ran many elections... I got it! You see what? He was willing to say that and Sanders should have said well you're putting words in my mouth am I willing to say that I'd had to think about it I mean I don't like somebody telling me what this saying what the thing actually there is there's the key I don't like somebody telling me what to say and think I think for myself

1:53:54 I'm glad you have that thought though and it's something i'd consider. There are a lot of ways to get around it other than yupp! Who has been in politics for a long time, ran many elections in the state of Vermont...I've never run a negative ad in my life In this campaign as I am sure you can appreciate every other day people come up to me and say aren't you going attack Hillary Clinton? Aren't you gonna attack the Clinton Foundation And you know how many times I've done that? Zero. You saw me in a debate, right? When i was asked about emails what did I say? Enough of these damn emails! Just want to come back to the Iraqi thing one second and one more question... Charlie circles back!

1:54:37 Because actually Bernie there did a slam, that was a slam saying I'm not going to talk about the emails bringing attention to them. Yeah? I am NOT gonna talk about the Clinton Foundation bringing attention to it! So in an odd way he's actually critical so Charlie has none of it won't go that way because he is controlling this thing brings it back to this Iraq deal You have made a point she voted for the Iraqi war Other people did as well many other people Do you hold all of them responsible for the deaths? No. Of Americans, then why say it Senator that's the question but why are I am saying it because I was attacked You can't... That's not a reason. I promise you to say I'm saying it because they attacked me Well, I mean I hope you ask Senator Clinton Am I responsible? Look, you know, I'm being asked to apologize. What do you know? You know, so come on

1:55:31 November 2016, if Hillary Clinton is the nominee you will be supporting her? I think the idea of a Donald Trump or Ted Cruz presidency would be an unmitigated disaster for this country. I will do everything in my power and work as hard as i can to make sure that does not happen and if Secretary Clinton is the nominee I will certainly support him Thank you for coming Thank You! Always a pleasure! Thank you Book of knowledge it was weird definition of unmitigated The word unmitigated means not diminished or moderated in intensity, or severity sometimes used as an intensifier. Okay got it Just wondering meanwhile course Bill Clinton gotten to a beef Yeah That was kind of cool with black lives matter do good clip of that you have to play yeah, okay? This is bill clinton where's loses it oh

1:56:28 Yeah, yeah. Wait a minute wait a minute Okay I heard it can i answer? See these other signs this is what's the matter! I don't know how you would characterize the gang leaders who got 13 year old kids hopped up on crack and sent them out onto the street to murder other African-American children maybe you thought they were good What's this porn music?

1:57:10 Straight from the Dvorak studios in northern Silicon Valley Nice music didn't notice the damp No before your time yeah, yes someone got it somewhere You know, Hillary...so it's clear now. Hillary must be president even if they can just get her brain in a jar in the Oval Office they'll be happy Yes! It'd be fine Yeah that's good enough Like the Futurama Dick Nixon And I heard from one of our producers who was close to the Democrat camp That this illness...Hillary's illness is real and she has a blood clot and cannot be operated on

1:58:03 And this will have to come out eventually, because someone's going to bring up the health aspect. She'll have to... She's elected. They gotta do whoever they pick for vice president is gonna end up you know it's gonna be more important than her yeah and who knows who that's gonna be well I have no clue about that by the way we don't know no I know yes I know I know it's gonna be one of the Castro brothers Those are the Democrat... Raul? I don't know what their names are. They're in Texas, they're um... Oh those, nah nah nah It's gonna be one of the Castros! Yes yes yes yes yes That guy has a great... Well you gotta get Latino, you got uh yeah Yeah, I think one of the Castro boys Anyway Matt Lauer interviewed Hillary Clinton Thank you for the newsletter by the way Nice picture of a dog What picture of a dog

1:58:56 Well, you had a whole bunch of Hillary pictures in there. Man that was really... it made me sad really. Yeah well there's that one picture of her she just like unbelievably gorgeous back in the day but it was like and it's not that that's what makes kind of confirms I mean she looks like someone who is ill Yeah. Her pupils were not big on this interview, by the way. A lot of people said that they thought that one possible reason she may have really OD'd on the cough suppressant and that would give you the dilated pupils during the Rachel Maddow interview? Oh yeah because of her coughing she needs to take something At least she had the laugh going once again in this one

1:59:46 As she actually addressed the emails again with Matt Lauer. And if I say to somebody on the Republican side, aren't you nervous about what's happening with this campaign and this division and what might happen at the convention? Do you know what I hear a lot they are clinging to the hope that the way they'll be able to deal with that is that it some point between now in the election And they say this, that they will get to see Hillary Clinton in handcuffs. That there will be some kind of political perp walk based on your private... I like that! Political Perp Walk. Possible title.

2:00:27 You need some kind of political perp walk based on your private email server. Well, Matt I know that they live in that world of fantasy and hope because they've got a mess on their hands on the Republican side That is not going to happen there is not even the remotest chance that it's going to happen. You're a lawyer you're a lawyer so how do you see this ending? Do you think the FBI and the Justice Department write you a letter and say it was a misunderstanding We're sorry carry on well We're certainly going to carry on. I think it's a security review, it is a security review. Okay... A security review! Ha ha ha! A security review! Bullshit! Okay nice alrighty well let me tell you here's an example of an extreme bot Hillary Bot what was the word we learned? Oh Hillary Tard

2:01:20 So me a lintard hilla tard no Hillary Hill Hillary tard whatever retard joy read Joy, reed. She's had you know her from MSNBC joy real man You know the talking points are she's the most qualified Her resume is the best hold your nose so you don't puke while you're voting for but she's really the best She's the best just the best about.

2:02:03 I've heard that before and it's such bullcrap. Isn't that great? No, but she is he's better founding father She's what been a senator reelected once and then she was Secretary of State and screwed things up That's it Also the wife of a president Look at Hillary Clinton's qualifications. I mean my god, you know since the founding fathers anyone tried to run for president with more on their resume So I think all John Quincy Adams maybe Jefferson Adams and get to go back literally to the 18th century to find somebody with a packed resume than Hillary Clinton No one since that 18th century has anyone been eligible for president who has this kind of resume

2:02:46 And she's never had an executive job. In other words, she's never been a governor or even a mayor which Bernie Sanders has been. She's just been a legislator and then Secretary of State which is just a job it's not like you're running anything yeah you're running the state department so I guess there was a little executive action there so okay fine. Wasn't that beautiful? Geez! I like it. I think she's barely qualified, and maybe argue she is not qualified at all? Not physically. She has done a very good job as Secretary of State when she did have a management job. No. Had her own server screwed that up. Felon! She is a felon. So Tubin... She should be. We have New York this week. This is the big deal in New York. The Donald's hometown.

2:03:44 Yeah, and of course Boston arch rivals Boston. I don't you saw the the Boston Globe this morning that they had a Fake front page that they printed up They didn't make it the front page but they put it in today's Paper and was The Boston Globe Sunday April 9 2017 And the headline is deportations to begin President Trump calls for tripling of ICE force. Riots continue! Markets sink as trade war looms US soldiers refuse orders to kill ISIS families These are all stories and they're full stories they've done or at least the front page part of it Bank glitch halts border wall work Trump on Nobel Prize shortlist This is pretty unprecedented I don't think i've ever seen anything like this in an election

2:04:40 This election is great. I know, thank you so much Donald and Bernie really both of yous okay? So Tubin what we have now... We have a whole bunch of people trying to punch down all kinds of camps it's very confusing but that we have a big anti-cruise narrative going on and it's a good one because you know what do we do well here in America if we want to really make someone look like an A-hole You make them racist Mm-hmm. You make them homophobic yep, you make them Islam a phobic good but the best what there's one left There's always a good one particularly in New York

2:05:24 You make him an anti-Semite. Ha! A Jew hater, buy him!" I do and i think the New York values thing is a big problem let's be honest remember what Ted Cruz said he said you know New York values are about money and they're about the media that's an anti-semitic trope from 100 years it has been around for a very long time everyone in new york everyone in whole country understands what he was saying That's a big problem once you get to New York, not just among Jewish voters but among people who don't appreciate those kinds of stereotypes. Trump is going to hammer away on it and Cruz can try to explain it away but you know you can't explain what we said when its meaning is obvious Well he was...he says he was referring to liberal politicians in New York State Oh really? He mentioned Cuomo, he mentioned Charlie Rangel Anthony Weiner You heard the list of the people he mentioned today

2:06:15 But they have nothing to do with money and media. Money and media is Jews! I mean, this is just an old-fashioned anti-Semitic stereotype derogatory term... Money in media is Jews. Money in media is Jews. JEWS! Your Jew hater Cruz hates the Jews! Cruz against Jews? Let's listen what he actually said that night There are many many wonderful wonderful working men and women in the state of New York But everyone understands that the values in New York City are socially liberal, or pro-abortion or pro gay marriage. Focus around money and the media... And I guess I can frame it another way Not a lot of conservatives come out of Manhattan! I'm just saying! Now there was not a lot of noise about this being anti-semitic when he first said it Was there?

2:07:11 Maybe we might have mentioned it. No, couch money in the media is part of a long kind of diatribe Yeah, it's a context thing There's money in the media It's about money and the media New York is a financial center? It's about money That's money The whole downtown is about finance And the rest of this is publishing Broadcasting All that sort of thing I think that what you talked about earlier, those guys are in New York. The syndicators. That's the media and what else is in New York besides money and the media? Just support stuff! Are you really defending Ted Cruz? You know he's anti-Semite Well I do know he's anti-Semite but that's beside the point

2:07:59 Money in media is Jews. I mean, this is just an old-fashioned anti-Semitic stereotype derogatory term and everybody understands it. Yeah we all get it well you know I'm sure he's gonna dispute that but let me move on to David Swift. Move on! Alright Ted, this one's for you! There we go everybody Hey, did you see what happened to Mashable? Well before you leave that though I do want to play this Trump thing. Oh i'm sorry Because I've got this trump clip This is the CBS rap CBS we know hates Trump they're the most pro Hillary of the networks and They brought in a new guy This new campaign manager who looks like some sort of a bouncer at a major hotel a major casino Nice You seen this guy

2:08:59 No. Oh yeah, he's a new guy. He's got the stripes...the pinstripe... A big thick neck? Double...yeah! Big double-breasted shirt and he has this talk... Sounds like one of those guys who does cold calling for stockbrokers or a boiler room guy. Like a used car salesman You gotta listen to this guy, he's got two clips a minute. This is a good wrap of what's going on with the campaign I can't wait to hear who this guy is We are going to start winning again folks Donald Trump's new campaign chief Paul Manafort promised the billionaire developer will win the GOP nomination outright The reality is that this convention process will be over with sometime in June Probably June 7th And it'll be apparent to the world

2:09:42 that Trump is over the 1237 number. That's the magic number to secure the nomination without a floor fight at the July convention, but Ted Cruz has narrowed Trump's advantage with a win in Wisconsin and likely new delegates support in Colorado Louisiana and North Dakota You gotta understand what the game is I mean if the game is a second third or fourth ballot then what he's doing is clever But if there's only one ballot, what he is doing is meanless. This all has the makings of the 1976 contested Republican convention when Ronald Reagan challenged President Gerald Ford. Frank Donatelli was a youth organizer for Reagan At that point the delegate ceases to be an extra

2:10:26 on a four night mini series where he or she are supposed to applaud at the right times and they become real agents of the party. Ford kept delegates in line by offering, among other things rides aboard Air Force One and seats at state dinners The laws governing incentives to delegates are murky, something the candidates this year could exploit. And after a first ballot most delegates can switch alliances Could you offer transportation or room and board or something? I mean there's a lot of ways to persuade uncommitted delegates Trump could offer flights aboard his helicopter or luxurious private jet a weekend at Mar-a-Lago Club, a tea time at Trump National. But James ideology sometimes trumps trips or presents and for conservatives crews may prove more attractive than loot

2:11:21 Is a real goomba that guy huh? Oh, he's kind of toxic. He talks like a stock guy I got some stock for you. This is gonna be this we've done the research this thing is gonna Go I know it's gonna fly as we've gotta even get it now and get in our team. You think this thing's pre rocket This things pre rocket stage baby. It's going to get on would you like to leave money don't show you want to make so much money You want to make my so much money you can leave your wife That's how that's how much money are you gonna make you let me buy stocks and bonds Yeah, he sounds... only sounds like one of the guys is really good at it. Well that kind of guy if you says don't worry about it I won't worry about it probably be good probably be good please don't worry about it so we talked about radio's demise which is well on its way and doesn't mean there's being replaced by anything let me point that out things some things just do go away but the news of Mashable's pivot took me by surprise

2:12:21 I've been expecting something like, I've been expecting one of these newfangled news outfits to have to eventually you know fold into what really what they really need to be but this one just happened. Did you see this? Yeah i know all about it Okay well I want your input because what I understand is they're going to get rid of news and editorial staff and they're going to do native ads in video Well, all these guys are going toward the native ad thing. What they did was they... They're only getting rid of a piece of the company that is doing the political kind of high-end news. Right? How about their tech news? I think their tech news isn't intact. I don't think so! I think so. Okay

2:13:11 Hmm. Well, what I think they're worried that the original orientation of Mashable was lifestyle bullcrap right? And so their tech news was kind of lifestyle and the verge kind of took the same idea and they've kind of amped it up a little bit Mashable went and kind of tried to get a broader scope, and they couldn't do it. They didn't have...they had people that was just costing too much because they were doing videos, they were producing videos and all these things nobody was watching because they were still more interested in the Kardashians than they were in anything that somebody produced. Let Vice have that stuff because then you'll do a better job anyway. Well I think that's what happening John. Everyone is trying to go after the Vice model.

2:13:54 Well, I think they may have tried and they failed and they just got rid of that whole subset. Yeah, they cut out the rest of it's overhead. But if you see... They've had three rounds of investment It's all been Turner, Time Warner, it has all been the TV guys Yeah, they're gonna get bought. Well yeah but basically every year they picked up 15 million probably cost about 17 million to run the thing and now they're out of money again and now it's okay you need a new round well it's going to be a down round hello Silicon Valley HBO It's gonna be a down round and you know you have to show your revenue so this is how you are gonna do it And you are gonna make this stuff for us because you'll see that The video they will producing will eventually windup on Turner properties

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2:22:31 That's raising serious questions about the federal government's ability to ever collect on these debts. One in six people have defaulted entirely, the average student loan debt for last year's college graduates was more than $35,000 making the class of 2015 The most indebted class in US history. We're number one big foam finger We're number one in debt. This is Trump in that town hall thing where he screwed up the abortion answer, but he said that was the number one question he gets from people who come to the rallies. What am I going to do about this debt?

2:23:17 I think he might, there might be ways to do something about it. Yeah just forgive it make a beating yeah that's probably that would be a good way save the country take a beating give those kids their money back they got gypped anyway first of all they paid too much tuition they were ripped off I mean so you borrow $15,000 dollars to get scammed out of it by the universities and then if None of this should be happening. The universities are part of this whole scene, this entire scheme to steal money It's ridiculous! They should just forgive the debts and let them... it's not as though the kids borrowed a bunch of money and they spent it on hot cars

2:23:59 And oh, you're giving the kid a free car. No! They got ripped off in every which way Just forgive the debts and get it over with We forgive debts of donations Let's forgive the debts to these kids Well we could start with at least an equal amount $113 billion would be a tenth You know, whatever we spent in Afghanistan is fine. We can do that." But you know the worst part is that these institutions have now become these places...you know safe spaces and shut up slave and don't say anything to offend me. And then- You know this is they brought this on themselves because if your charging a public school you're charging somebody I dunno 15 $20,000 dollars to go there? Yeah They can make a lot of demands on you and they do!

2:24:43 So the schools just knuckle under, take the money. Build a bunch of needless buildings and it's outrageous." It is! You know the president said something... Once again we're talking about the Supreme Court nominee and now you're reading articles about the constitutionality of how could or couldn't what boring they'll boring but the President made a really racist joke And I just want to point it out that it's racist and not okay. When I look at Merrick Garland, that was the person that... you know the difference between Supreme Court is just a handful of seats come up in any given time now. I appointed a Latino woman and another woman right before that so uh yeah he's a white guy but he's really outstanding jurist sorry. You know? It's uh I think its important Racist. It's racist!

2:25:39 It's a racist joke. It's outrageously racist! And everyone is laughing. Oh, ha! Wooo! Yeah... it boggles my mind How can you do that? Get over it Whitey I was reading about this new brand of satellites That uh.. let me see... it's like the follow up to the CubeSats And these things are so small and so light that to deploy one into a low Earth orbit... Today, if you want to deploy a CubeSat, you're probably going to pay about $30,000.00 to build it and launch it and get it into orbit But these which within the next year will be launchable for around three thousand dollars What? Yeah! They're really tiny

2:26:36 And I'm thinking we should launch one. We'll launch one that just broadcasts a No Agenda show worldwide! Well, we can't do that legally... Why? It's in space. Yeah, there's laws... What do you mean it's in space? What are we going to do? Okay I'm sorry oh I don't know what to do. We can stop now but you have to shoot it down Well we could do two things well it could be a beacon these are very small that you can't I don't think you can really there's no way we can't be broadcasting full cycle transmitter just doesn't work that way You can do burst, you can beacon but more importantly you can relay

2:27:13 We could, and we could set that on a certain setting or that you can't just access it. But we could have our own satellite and anybody with $25 I'm not that I'm suggesting you should work without a license. You should probably just get your license and you can use this $25 Chinese piece of crap and you can talk to, you can communicate via the satellite three grand. Yeah. And so then, and you know, If the grid goes down, we'll still be able to communicate around the world. Yeah... I can hear your enthusiasm! I'm not quite sure what to do with it though

2:27:57 Waiting for the grid to go down I thought it would be kind of cool We could have a beacon in no agenda all the time and then you know we could just have it as our own personal little joy agenda Radio guys ham radio is the public service network? Of last resort when the apocalypse comes where are the guys who are gonna save the world, right? Just doing my part, everybody. Look into it! Do the math people! Alright... So you had that plane flying around the other day and this story just kind of intrigued me This is the odd story about the surveillance planes Oh yes they finally have told us kinda what they were doing A new investigation by BuzzFeed has revealed The FBI and Department of Homeland Security are flying dozens of federal aircrafts over major US citizens every day

2:28:52 The agencies say they're not using the flights to conduct mass surveillance, but the BuzzFeed investigation shows the planes fly in slow circles and are outfitted with high-resolution video cameras. Some planes are also equipped with cell phone tracking devices Yeah, that would be the Viper. Was it the Viper? The Stinger? Scorpion? The stinger. That's called something. Stingray. Stingray thank you! That's it I would like to ask you a question what is a major US citizen What is it? They're flying over major US citizens. I didn't hear that Citizens really that's what they say to us citizens. Oh, let me hear that again That was funny a new investigation by BuzzFeed has revealed the FBI and the Department of Homeland Security are flying dozens of federal aircrafts over major u.s. Citizens every day you know Wow oh my god

2:29:54 It's probably more truthful than we know. You're a major US citizen, maybe they were flying over you for a reason? I think i'm a major US citizen. Dang! Well there was more security theater going on but very very disappointing and of course this also got no coverage C-SPAN has been reasonable of late some good stuff...I know you watch three usually for the book TV This was okay now actually book tv is on two Okay on the weekends. I thought it was on three okay, I'd be wrong So you recall there was a didn't make a lot of news But there was a breach in the insecurity at Atlanta Airport and it was a gun running operation

2:30:38 And so a guy would come in, you know through the tarmac because he worked airside on the sterile side as they call it. And he would bring in a duffel bag of guns about 100 guns and then he'd leave them in the restroom in this sterile area and then the passenger who had already been through TSA checkpoint had then just picked up and took it out on the plane. And of course Atlanta took measures But these measures were supposed to have been taken care of a long time. In fact, there was a hearing on the Hill Senator Bill Nelson Democrat from Florida had a lot of the right questions and it's rather long but just to hear a civil servant The guy who is answering on behalf of the TSA he is the administrator Peter Neffinger lying Just lying I'm just coming up with bullshit lies

2:31:31 And it's really astounding how, just how inadequate this is. And people should be outraged because we are not being protected whatsoever! Things that were not done in Atlanta that allowed over 100 guns to be transported into the airport then the employee goes up into the sterile area and into the men's restroom and transfers the weapons to a passenger who has come through security. Atlanta has now complied, so that's Atlanta Miami Orlando what about the rest of the 297 airports nationwide? Senator I had exactly the same question

2:32:20 That's how you start it off, you know? Hey man. That's the way to do it! That's exactly the question I had Senator! What about the rest of the 297 airports nationwide? Senator, I had exactly the same question and and I am... It was a wake-up call for Atlanta as you've noted they put a lot of measures in place both the private sector and voters. But what about the other 297? So I, earlier this year, ordered a detailed vulnerability assessment across the entire system for those other airports that you mentioned That assessment... The results of that assessment are coming in this month And the purpose of that assessment was to ask that, was to answer that very specific question first and foremost

2:33:01 What have you done? But what's the nature of your insider population who are employers question? What are they doing? Why did he die and the answer is that there there has been a lot of movement in terms of reducing security access points across The system. There's been a lot of movement Movement great been a lot of movement John. Hey, we're working here There's a lot of movements. We got movement going on as moving. It's just a classic This is what happens when you work in the government for a while He's just picked up a lot of buzzwords and phrases, and he's just throwing them one after the other. No connection to one, no logic nothing...just blah blah blah blah blah. And the worst part is this is our security that we're paying for it and he hasn't done it! The work has not done at all well just listen. Across the system there's been a lot of movement to greatly enhance the oversight

2:33:50 Yes, I'd her population both by yes. There's a lot of movement to enhance the oversight of that insider population You know that's gonna if I ever get married again That's my wedding vows that's right the oversight of that insider population, both by TSA as well as by the employers. A lot of movement such as what I'm going to have to provide you in a report is once we evaluate all these are in that's going to drive us to add requirements into the aviation security airport security. It's gonna drive us to add what? This guy, all of these are in then that's going to drive double talker yeah

2:34:28 It used to be a comic act back in the 30s and 40s when people did double talk. Oh, this is about more money obviously. ...into the aviation security airport security plans for each of those airports to take the best practices that we're finding from Miami from Orlando from... Atlanta, Atlanta. He doesn't know the three airports that have done anything he can't even remember. To the other airports across the country I was concerned that we hadn't had a lot of specifics on that. Mr. Administrator, the best practices are obvious you have to check the airport employees So is your testimony today that nothing's been done? No, sir. That's not my testimony we have done We've got quite a bit we are checking so TSA itself has increased the number of inspections of employees by fivefold Just in the past five months five fold it was five times worse What is going on? Hey guys just blathering he's not contributing anything to the conversation

2:35:29 And I'm sure the senators are like blabbergasting listening to him. And that's coming your way, sir. Because we're evaluating... I wanted to give you good specifics from the vulnerability assessments that we conducted so that I could give you specific answers airport by airport to exactly the question you were asking me about. But those are all due this week is the deadline for getting them in and we'll compile that report and get it to the committee. Wouldn't have been done in time to report to this committee since that was such an obvious question that you were going to be asked.

2:36:24 specifics to satisfy this committee on the specific measures taken. So that's why we went back and I ordered a very specific vulnerability assessment, airport by airport It was done on a very short time frame. Why? In conjunction with the recommendations from the Aviation Security Advisory Committee, it was done in a way that ensured that I could give very specific answers and more importantly... He says the word specific a lot because he has no specifics. That said, you're greatly enhanced the oversight and airports have greatly enhanced their oversight already. So it's not as if nothing has been done, I just want to know exactly what it has been so that we can ensure consistency across the entire system."

2:37:13 What is that? Into House Resolution 636. More Viper teams, visible deterrence is going to be on both sides. That's gonna stop the guy doing the smuggling of guns. Yeah they say visible deterrent of Viper team so they're gonna double the amount of Viper teams Thanks Obama! That will be at trains and buses and sports events... And oh yeah airports Sure Airports Yeah Alright. Okay, so I've got a... How are we doing for time? We should wrap it up. Okay let me just play... I can save the Huggabrit for Thursday Are you sure? I don't know if i can wait that long Well Huggabrit is something going on in advance of the Brexit vote and so they bunch of EU... The way they put as EU citizens living in Great Britain

2:38:11 Britain's in the EU too, so this doesn't make a lot of sense. But okay! And they've decided... but it turns out I listened to this woman that they had on Deutsche Welle or France 24 one of the two but This woman just seems like a German spy trying to create this hugging thing The thing is funny because she never hugs anybody Listen to this play Hugging Britain You're doing just that Hugging A Brit I bet there's a lot of that going on tonight. Joining us now from London is the founder of the campaign, the journalist and historian Tessa Szyszkiewicz. Tessa, I hope I did not butcher your last name there if i did please I apologize let me ask you then what inspired you to set up this campaign? Well I'm actually not the founder I am member of EU citizens here in London and we decided we want to send a love bomb

2:39:11 to the British people because we don't want them to leave. There's a lot of numbers and facts and figures being discussed now in the pro-and-leave campaign, in the Remain and Brexit campaigns, and we think it is important to emphasize that the European Union is not only about economy but also about making Europe a better place to cooperate about all the things that we have to talk about. So, what we feel here in Britain at the moment is a bit of lack of emotion so we try at this by our campaign and we offer to hack the Brits. And tell them that we want them to stay in, please don't go." I keep hearing hack the Brits. I'm not sure if the campaign is right... I keep hearing frowl blooker. Hack the Brits! She should be wearing a black outfit with a... I'm going to hack the Brits! You've been hacking the Brits today yourself?

2:40:12 Well, each of us is actually hugging maybe one or two. It's supposed to be a mass movement on social media and it works! People are sending pictures now hugging each other. We're going to show a picture right now. Ah, hacking! You change your avatar to you hacking a Brit? You know, the Dutch newspapers are now filled with stories about how the Russian propaganda turned the association agreement with Ukraine into the no because the Russians had better propaganda. We need to do more propaganda! The government needs to step it up!"

2:40:53 You believe that? Yeah, I believe it. That's um... no It was just crazy and the Dutch people like yeah man fucking Russians Ruskies what you doing man? Those damn Russians are screwing it up for us. Yeah don't do that man They're getting involved in our internal of politics That's right Alright bud Good Well its uh..I think we covered most of the bases so not sure what the next week will have in store although Always something up Is always something anything I should watch that model of Yeah today at 430 in San Antonio. There's the Spurs and the Warriors game which will be The Warriors have to win this is set to break the old record for number wins in a single season said only second team in history to do 70 wins and They're trying to get 73

2:41:47 But no one has beaten the San Antonio Spurs in San Antonio all year. Outstanding! So it'll be a good game and the Warriors are tired since they played last night, but it will be interesting in some ways to basketball fans Book of Knowledge Who is the fairest in the land? Famed as thy beauty Majesty Behold A lovely maid I see Rags cannot hide her gentle grace Alas She's more fair than thee Oh boy, I lose out. I don't know what that was. Good morning everybody! I'm Adam Curry. Just say goodbye! He just said goodbye? Wow... I'm John Cena- Devorah- Goodbye!

2:42:45 It's a show that's really unique Donate to it, no agenda Listen to John and Adam speak Donate to it, no agenda Science is turning into a clique She's a first I'm not a fan of cheese, it's not even funny.

2:43:45 Calling a male hairdresser a faggot is not homophobic. And wash your hands after touching any raw meat. Thanks Obama Hillary! Angry birds. I'm headed... I'm heading to the hospital. As an ambulance whisks out this slum away, to the hospital. I do love you. I'm coming

2:45:29 I love you, we love you! Hillary, Hillary! Hillary, Hillary! Hillary, Hillary! Hillary, Hillary! It is on folks, it is on. A new law is here that causes decent people to live in fear a new power that allows us to get your browsing history from the internet but let's not forget this will affect everybody and

2:47:04 I will protect nobody but I can inspect anybody who disagrees with me. That's why, i want to spy on everyone all the time Some people say that is fine But every time you go online Every email you sign I'll be watching you And my message to the haters, I want your communications data. As our power will extend politicians and their friends can manipulate it for their own ends Every text you send every Facebook friend I'll be watching you on UC

2:47:42 mobile phones will all belong to me. Everyone you call, anyone at all every day in every way Theresa May and I will be watching you we will look after Wherever you turn, we will be right behind you. We will not let you live in private. We will use everything at our disposal to find out about you and your family and we'll never forget what we found This is my position I don't need reasonable suspicion but if you sign online petitions expect the Spanish Inquisition Think of your own smartphone it's no longer the No Go Zone It's under attack because we will have

2:48:28 All the technology you own. What can I see with these new abilities? For me, the answer is straightforward It's your supermarket rewards and your National Health Service records It's all information you could put to any corporation Every conversation in every situation Every communication every website You use everything you do everyday in every way Theresa May and I will be watching you Thank you always a pleasure. Hey man fist bump adios mofo org slash na