Produce & Pipelines

00:00 What? We were doing it for you, Obama. Adam Curry, John C. DeVore It's Thursday April 7th 2016 the time once again for your Gitmo Nation media assassination this is episode 814 This is no agenda deconstructing propaganda from Peoria to Panama and broadcasting live from the capital of the drone star state here in FEMA region 6 Austin Tejas in the morning everybody I'm Adam Curry And from northern Silicon Valley where I've returned from a trip Where it was 26 degrees hitting California when it was 86 degrees. I'm John C Devorak Thank you for the acuweather report John is fast 26 years 20s It's cold and did you have that? 86 Did you have that wind that cold biting wind flowing through one day yes, that is not good no

00:52 We were just at 26, and there's not a lot of wind is fine You can wander around but when they get that biting wind was the Sun out though was it 26 and sunny It was 26 with the mixed Sun. Oh, yeah No That's no good Hey welcome back and but there was sun so you walk on the sunny side of the street and you could pretend you know better Welcome back happy birthday Happy birthday to you yes I can see birthday all ships and sea boots. Oh, I'm sorry I sent your text did you get it once in your happy birth? Yes? I did you said happy birthday. I said happy birthday You man have advanced ages think is what I said something like that so

01:30 So, how did the meetup go? I saw pictures. Well we can discuss the meetup now or we can discuss it after the first donation segment because there's donations involved and they're not in this segment so i'm going to talk about them the way you did because that is a way to do that very separate segment about the meet up and how it went. Alright anything else you'd like to say New York before we get into some other things. It was cold, it was grungy as usual I bought a brand new windbreaker blazer kind of or not a blazer but a wind breaker thing that i obviously needed And I noticed that when I got back, it was just... we had to wear it all the time. Yeah! You didn't have a warm winter coat and gloves? You just had a windbreaker? No, I had gloves, I had everything. I'm worried about you there. I still need a windbreaker. Me taking care of you man?! No. The windbreaker is the key. So here's the point I am trying to make here, you're distracting me. When I got home, well you could see that it was in a grimy city

00:52 We were just at 26, and there's not a lot of wind is fine You can wander around but when they get that biting wind was the Sun out though was it 26 and sunny It was 26 with the mixed Sun. Oh, yeah No That's no good Hey welcome back and but there was sun so you walk on the sunny side of the street and you could pretend you know better Welcome back happy birthday Happy birthday to you yes I can see birthday all ships and sea boots. Oh, I'm sorry I sent your text did you get it once in your happy birth? Yes? I did you said happy birthday. I said happy birthday You man have advanced ages think is what I said something like that so

01:30 So, how did the meetup go? I saw pictures. Well we can discuss the meetup now or we can discuss it after the first donation segment because there's donations involved and they're not in this segment so i'm going to talk about them the way you did because that is a way to do that very separate segment about the meet up and how it went. Alright anything else you'd like to say New York before we get into some other things. It was cold, it was grungy as usual I bought a brand new windbreaker blazer kind of or not a blazer but a wind breaker thing that i obviously needed And I noticed that when I got back, it was just... we had to wear it all the time. Yeah! You didn't have a warm winter coat and gloves? You just had a windbreaker? No, I had gloves, I had everything. I'm worried about you there. I still need a windbreaker. Me taking care of you man?! No. The windbreaker is the key. So here's the point I am trying to make here, you're distracting me. When I got home, well you could see that it was in a grimy city

02:32 It's starting to pick up the patina of city grime. I'm gonna take you to the dry cleaners! Oh, that's this guy yeah i know everything gets on ya in New York nasty. I still have shit my lungs from living in New York. Patina, I think. Hey did you receive a gift from one of our producers? I don't know who sent it, but did we mention Sucrettes on the show at some point? I never saw any. I got no Sucrette's! I got 35 tins of Sucrettes I don't know. He's into 17 of those are mine And they're the old-fashioned ones the tens like this box is heavy what's in here and there's 35 tins of sucrettes Wow, yeah It's not something you just like and it ended no note No, nothing no card. I understand unless I was high and I ordered them myself that's possible but oh man

03:30 What can I go for now? Secrets Well, I stay over a secret. I could go for a secret right now It's a losage for your throat if you have cough cough or throat ache and it predate Mentos That's not mentos Yeah, but I'm gonna see what happened well I stayed up pretty late last night to wait for the final tally we were hoping would come in at 33 If you don't know what I'm talking about, here's a quick background over what happened yesterday in Gitmo Nation Lowlands. The Dutch government may have to reconsider ratifying the treaty on closer European Union ties with Ukraine after voters rejected a partnership deal in an unbinding referendum. Unofficial results indicate 64% voted no. The turnout appears to have only just passed the required 30 percent to validate the result. The ratification cannot proceed

02:32 It's starting to pick up the patina of city grime. I'm gonna take you to the dry cleaners! Oh, that's this guy yeah i know everything gets on ya in New York nasty. I still have shit my lungs from living in New York. Patina, I think. Hey did you receive a gift from one of our producers? I don't know who sent it, but did we mention Sucrettes on the show at some point? I never saw any. I got no Sucrette's! I got 35 tins of Sucrettes I don't know. He's into 17 of those are mine And they're the old-fashioned ones the tens like this box is heavy what's in here and there's 35 tins of sucrettes Wow, yeah It's not something you just like and it ended no note No, nothing no card. I understand unless I was high and I ordered them myself that's possible but oh man

03:30 What can I go for now? Secrets Well, I stay over a secret. I could go for a secret right now It's a losage for your throat if you have cough cough or throat ache and it predate Mentos That's not mentos Yeah, but I'm gonna see what happened well I stayed up pretty late last night to wait for the final tally we were hoping would come in at 33 If you don't know what I'm talking about, here's a quick background over what happened yesterday in Gitmo Nation Lowlands. The Dutch government may have to reconsider ratifying the treaty on closer European Union ties with Ukraine after voters rejected a partnership deal in an unbinding referendum. Unofficial results indicate 64% voted no. The turnout appears to have only just passed the required 30 percent to validate the result. The ratification cannot proceed

04:26 as was expected before. So we have to take a step-by-step approach, and we have now to talk within the cabinet with the parliament with our European partners also with Ukraine To see what the consequences of this decision might be I'll just stop it right here The Netherlands had a referendum Yes. About the Ukraine Association Agreement with the European Union... I think before you continue, you should play my Deutsche Welle version of the same wrap-up because of course Deutsche Welle is German and they kind of have a different attitude about this thing. Can I give you the background first or is this in your question? Oh, I'm saying it because I think that background's in here

05:12 Okay, we'll play it. Votes are being counted in the Netherlands after a referendum on a deal that deepens ties between the EU and Ukraine. Eurosceptic groups forced the vote after the agreement was approved by the Dutch Parliament, now it's already been ratified by all other EU states though no vote would not be binding it would be an embarrassment for The Netherlands and it would underscore growing EU skepticism Right now, exit polls say 64% of voters have rejected the deal. But there needs to have been a 30 percent turnout for

05:57 the referendum to be valid. As it stands, it's on a knife edge as they say whether that figure has been reached let's go down to our correspondent Barbara Vazel she is in Brussels she's monitoring everything that's going on next door in the Netherlands good evening to you Barbara so do we know any more first of all about whether or not this referendum is going to be valid. No, we don't know yet and I need a crystal ball here to figure this out because the pulses have just sort of inched up a bit and gone beyond the 30% threshold but there still is a rather large margin of error so inexplicable. Of course it turned out to be 32

06:39 point something percent should have been 33. Well, it's the count I don't know if it's official official yet But if it were the reason I wanted to play this clip because someone asked you question Okay Let's play the rest let's play the rest by the Dutch are not able to count their voters more quickly but that's just the way it is and so we don't know whether its valid but the message behind it is is quite clear, as you already pointed out. A majority of people those who went to vote and those who did go to the poll stations say no to the Ukraine agreement and that is rather a clear message for the government for Brussels and also the organizers of this referendum have already started to open their champagne bottles they say this is good enough for us

07:29 We've reached the goal that we wanted to reach. We can show the EU that they are not wanted by many Dutch voters." All righty, your question is here. Now let me throw an additional comment in for you to comment on. During that report they said this will be an embarrassment for the Dutch. Why? A number of reasons. One, they're the last man out 28 countries have already ratified this agreement all 28 states of the European Union have to ratify it and moreover we are right in the middle of these six-month presidency of the Council or is it the... yeah the council EU Council

08:22 By the Netherlands all the meetings are there. I mean they're running the show they get their six-month window So this is rather embarrassing hey, can't you keep your slaves under control? Okay Yeah that was kind of baffled by that and but of course The Netherlands is unique the whole point of this referendum Really, Putin was kind of the hockey puck in the middle because we can't leave Ukraine go because then they'll lean towards Putin and then Russia will be on our doorstep. It'd be a big problem. Yeah. All of the propaganda that we discussed in the

09:02 The memoranda that we had uncovered or that we'd received, they were hacked from Ukraine. All of that came true. They had the kids singing in Dutch, you know? The virtuoso violinist playing all that and all...they did all of that! And it just didn't work so it was about 61% or 62% against the association agreement but they did have enough people show up for the vote. And here's the background, this is not binding it is just an advice from the people so that the cabinet or the parliament does not have to adhere to it they can just go ahead as planned which I'm pretty sure they will we saw this last time with

09:46 What was the Lisbon Treaty in 2007, 2008? And the Netherlands and France voted no. And then we did a do-over! You guys didn't understand the question let's vote again. Give you another chance... What's interesting about this It is really irks...the Netherlands has a law, and a referendum law. And you can call a referendum but you have to have certain amount of signatures in order to call the referendum I think it's 400 thousand they had more than the required amount and in that law is this 30% thing Which of course no one ever expected that to work, which is why you put it in just to placate people. If you get enough signatures you can have a referendum but this was unexpected that the... That enough citizens would say hey we don't like this now This is uh The referenda are not super common in the Netherlands But they're going to be they're already talking about a referendum about TTIP

10:42 So, all of these deals... Well here's the mechanism that you once it's established. When you developed one of these systems, the referendum system being a great example, you try to set up a huge barrier to entry which is 400 thousand signatures. That is a lot. Right, hell yeah! Especially in a small country. Especially for guys who started as bloggers But once you establish the mechanism to get the 400,000 now it's like a printing press. Yeah now you can keep it going You can get four hundred thousand at the drop of a hat because is this same? Four hundred thousand yeah Go back to him you can go back to them that's right I got hit well again and again and again And all of us are now that thing is clicking like crazy so the Dutch politicians

11:30 Most of the parties were for the association agreement except for the Socialists and the Geen Pijl, whoever the guys were who got this referendum together. What was I going to say? Oh you're... well sorry. You weren't listening-I wasn't listening myself either as the words were coming out Oh, the politicians. I got it. The politicians who were for the association agreement are now out on trail today. Saying, you know referenda is really bad for democracy. This is not how our democracy should work It shouldn't be listening to the people no whatsoever No That's why they were chosen representatives and that's why they're all there are a lot of out of whack like what is this? I'm supposed to be in charge of this What are you doing used to now the crazy thing? I read the agreement. I know I'm like I'm nuts This thing is not easy to find in its totality

12:33 There's pieces missing from publications. You have to really hunt around this." That's a bad sign! It is very bad sign because the main piece that was missing is the trade part, and I've gotten older versions and I had the protocols but really this is about two things... The interesting part about this is that Personally, I believe there's no vote. Although it is showing the European Union that the citizens of the Netherlands are unhappy and I'm sure they're unhappy about a number of things including migration and the banks that are now completely under control of the financial union. People are mad about that! I need B12 is what I need today

13:22 Really need be 12. Oh the hell was I going usual my mom fuzzy? Well, I was up late last night watching this watching this stuff okay, so I read the agreement And the sad part is, this agreement actually was pretty good for Europe. Aside from a number of glaring things... That even makes it funnier! It does! I mean Ukraine in World War II was the breadbasket. They have unbelievable produce they really have two things. Yes, Ukraine still could be a breadbasket along with Georgia. Produce? and pipelines. That's the two things that are the main, the 2Ps, the main factors of this agreement and of course it's a trade agreement when you look at...you just look at it

14:06 Which means there will be no duties placed on energy imports. There's a lot about energy and pipelines, it's all over the place. And so it's kind of sad that you know that there is pretty much a great deal for Europe on the table and I'm pretty sure Germany is not friendly in this either. They probably don't want to...you know they don't want too much of the dole-not. I am not so sure because if you listen to...well might as well interrupt yourself and listen to part two of this clip These are the Deutsche Welle people seem to be kind of pro for this agreement. Yeah, I mean they may be saying that but no that's what i'm saying there the Germans are for the agreement That's exactly what i'm saying yeah They they are for the agreement because yeah They want cheap access to the gas. Yeah, I mean they may be saying that but can they really say that Barbara? We still can't even say whether or not enough people

14:59 voted to make the referendum valid. That certainly can't be a success for any cause, right? In a way yes of course legally and politically in one sense you're completely right of course if it falls below this threshold It's not valid and everybody can say, oh this attempt fell flat on its face. On the other hand we have to recognize and many Dutch politicians already pointed that out in their first reactions we have to recognize that a rather large margin of Dutch voters actually do want to show their discontent with the European Union be it particularly to the Ukraine agreement or

15:43 more general to the functioning of Europe in a general sense. So that message seems to be quite clear and it is very unwelcome in Brussels. So, if you really look at the protocols of the agreement again it's produce and pipelines is really my takeaway from it. You see very clearly why it was so important that we control Ukraine and when I say we I mean the United States. We have the finance minister in there who became Ukrainian overnight just to be the finance minister she's American the amount of money and investment that went into Ukraine from mainly Chevron through Victoria Nuland. You'll recall she had that little meeting, oh we put $10 billion in they got shale oil contracts this is it really has a lot of resources that we have already you know we've staked our claim to and now we just want to have it free flowing into Europe so

16:42 Chevron, I'll just say that's us in this case. United States a Gitmo nation so we can have the free flow of our oil now that we have the rights to which we captured in through whatever backroom deals in Ukraine to pass that on Now here's some of the anomalies that I found Ukraine apparently has a pretty big market of fake products And when I say fake products, I really mean produce. In this case two glaring examples which they will by this agreement be able to continue one is shipping champagne from Ukraine into the EU which of course is a protected name Is it champagne? Is it Ukrainian or Eastern European sparkling wine named Champagne. Yes, sir Or is a gray market champagne from France No It's sparkling wine from Ukraine with the word champagn on it and they will be allowed to use this No That's in there that no but the French don't want Wait I'll make it crazier for you Okay There are more complex uses of the word champagne Okay I'l give another example Feta cheese

17:46 You may not say... Feta is protected in the EU for the Greek. Not even all the Greek dairy farmers, only certain dairy farmers are allowed to say feta cheese if it's not... It doesn't make any sense to me. If its not... It's feta cheese? Well let me say a couple things about feta cheese. Ah yes please! I came to work this morning thinking I need to know more about feta Feta cheese is made by a number of countries. It's a certain kind of sour sheep's milk cheese, and sometimes it's blended with goat and sometimes it's goat, depends. And I've seen it used...I don't know what this is about because feta cheese has been used by the French. It's called French feta cheese for a long time, and everybody in the world who's a connoisseur or anyone who really likes feta cheese knows

18:38 And everybody knows the cheapest feta cheese comes from Bulgaria. The best feta cheese comes from Bulgaria! If you want good feta cheese, you get Bulgarian feta cheese. And that's always been called feta cheese... No! No no no! In the European Union the name Feta Cheese is a protected name may only be used just like champagne may only be used by the approved dairy farmers and marketers

19:16 No, in the European Union. It is a protected name. Oh okay oh okay so that's my point. The French FED and the Bulgarian Fed I buy or the Bulgarian mostly is protected? Yes they're paying if they say feta cheese then they have a license to do so. They are paying somebody some money to use it. Correct and maybe Greek feta cheese for all I know No. Okay, the Greek feta cheese is good but it doesn't compare to Bulgarian right? Well I'm just saying this is what's in the agreement and they'll be able to keep selling their Ukrainian feta cheese for 10 years And by the way I'll be getting notes...I can see it already... You have no idea about feta cheese! I am just reading the documents. I enjoy the cheese break

20:04 So, you know so these are little things. You can really see that it's a trade agreement. But the champagne thing is not going to go over...this is just another irritant to the French! Did you hear this story over the weekend? I guess it was just a couple days ago or yesterday The French are now stopping these tankers, 70 000 gallon tankers coming into France from Spain. Oh no I've seen this. Cheap wine and the French wine growers it goes through a growing area they get so they surround the tanker they pull out the truck driver and drain the seventy thousand gallons into the sewer. I did see a picture of that yes. That was fantastic yeah

20:44 Can't wait, we're going there in a couple weeks. Can't wait? Can't wait... But it was interesting that the Greece gets so screwed in the deal you know like what else can we do to hey what do you guys want and we wanted to screw Greece some more I'll fine they had like an ugly pimple on their ass anyway who cares who cares So yeah just in my evaluation of the deal he would be great for Europe This is fantastic. Why would they not do it? And the reason is because like a good deal no one read the agreement Ukrainian feta and Ukrainian champagne, and yeah cheap fruits and vegetables and gas that doesn't come from Russia Gas that doesn't come from Russia come on Chevron doing a deal Chevrons making some money for us American shareholders mm-hmm

21:36 Yeah, that's a win-win-win-win. But of course what this really is about even Nigel Farage came to the Netherlands and spoke About himself he didn't really talk He said this is just the appetizer The Brexit will be the main course which kind I think it kind of made the Dutch people go well This is important to us Um, and just, but I was listening to Dutch radio and they had these, they were doing self. They were doing five second spots before and after each at the top end of the bottom of each commercial block vote yes for the, for the Ukraine ascension association agreement, doodle-doodle-doo then commercials, commercials, commercials vote. Yes. It was like that vote. Yes. For the European, for the Ukrainian association agreement is really unbelievable

22:25 And along with that, as far as I'm concerned perfect timing. Perfect timing! I gotta tell you when my sister who lives in Umstelfen she works retail and give a shit when she says hey how about those Panama Papers then you know some propaganda is working well i'll say this much for the prop for the Panama papers which they should have teased in the newsletter This is a very I think this is gonna be the most interesting one topic that we'll have on our show if it develops. I agree Probably for the next six months because there's a million documents as what to how many terabytes of data all this stuff and we have before all sorts of questions that need to Be answered Before we just before we transition in just the timing of it, and will believe this topic the timing of it was

23:23 Very interesting in the three days ramping up to this referendum, the newspapers in the Netherlands and anything that around it certainly like The Guardian were all focused on one thing. Panama Papers Putin evil! Panama Papers Putin evil! And the timing of that... maybe I'm giving the Netherlands too much credit But the timing of it seemed a little obvious from, uh...from a Dutch perspective. That this came out, oh look how horrible Russia is! You better sign that agreement, that's no good And then along with that comes unrefuted proof of how incredibly powerful these papers are because Oh we had an Iceland guy resign over it, ohohoh Now everyone's on notice

24:13 And when I went to these Panama Papers, it was like you open up the web page and immediately it's like oh well this is a complete propaganda scam piece. Who goes about analyzing data leaks with infographics saying we're just like Wikileaks only 10 times bigger! Look at the big red blocks! Yeah There's a bunch of weirdness about these papers, definitely. I have a backgrounder from BBC's Panorama which i like because it's BBC

24:50 They're clearly all on board. The whole piece is dramatized with, you know...they say they've accessed the actual documents themselves which of course we haven't seen and we'll get into that. They haven't by the way. They say they have! And they're showing pictures on monitors of what they made it's like you now not I argue because you actually access them that That referendum. Yeah, it's like everybody else who didn't. You're having like... you know if you can say hey Adam I accessed 11 million documents Yes good work! So i saw a document yeah that's it that's what it means eleven million documents there is a bunch of stuff that going to happen out these things let's listen and by the way kept

25:37 For a year. The Guardian, the BBC all these guys this has been kept from them for a year? Well not since 2014 but what I'm saying is that it wasn't they weren't like the gatekeepers like with Snowden stuff where the Guardian and New York Times got to get their stuff cleared with the CIA make sure they weren't printing anything that wasn't gonna be, that wasn't gonna work out. CIA and White House and White House... And a White House! And so that worked out so poorly that these guys circumvented the whole system And now, of course we don't really know where the cash is. So this shows you the takeaway from BBC which of course is propaganda You see monitors everywhere with Putin's picture on it Assad's picture on it Neither of them are as far as we know mentioned in these documents at all But that's what they're focusing on a very very over-dramatized explanation of The Panama Papers Panama's carnival attracts visitors from around the world

26:37 But away from the lights, this place is a thriving tax haven. Investors come to Panama for secrecy. You can go to Panama and you can get a foundation or trust or company and use those complicated slightly strange structures to hide. To hide! Listen John... TO HIDE! It's slightly strange structures to hide and disguise you're too high in the skies ownership and control of assets And now we can see how an enormous leak of files from this company mosaic Fonseca shows the reality of offshore from outside mosaic Fonseca looks like a perfectly respectable company

27:24 But this is a business that's helped people from around the world break the law. Break the law! The documents were leaked to the German newspaper, Süddeutsche Zeitung and shared with the International Consortium of Investigative Journalists. Panorama has been analyzing the documents We found links to 72 current or former heads of state. They say they have... access the documents I guess. Like the Icelandic prime minister Sigmundur Gunnlagson who had a secret stake in an offshore company, the company held his wife's interests in Iceland's banks worth millions of dollars

28:14 Nobody knew that when her husband was dealing with the Icelandic banks after their collapse, including the British demands for compensation which he turned down. Now that was really important! Also for the Netherlands, because it was if you recall it was the Dutch and the British who would use the Icelandic savings bank for these huge interest payments which were two double digits. And then they went bust and then we... If you recall John, we talked about a lot on years, years of both the UK and the Netherlands saying pay us back our money. Pay us back our money you're crooks! And so then as the number one example comes the guy who actually possibly stole some money or whatever he did his wife had some it doesn't matter The implication is the guy who fucked the UK and the Netherlands He resigned over these Panama Papers This is good stuff! Collapse including the British demands for compensation which he turned down

29:13 Because of the leak, we do now. He walked out when questioned by an Icelandic reporter Mr Gunnlaugsson is today facing calls for his resignation he says he has not broken any rules and his wife didn't benefit financially from his decisions Mossack Fonseca say the services they provide are commonly used worldwide and they are responsible members of the global financial and business community. But some of the deals in the files are extraordinary, we believe that we have found a billion dollar laundering operation in Russia. This man, cellist Sergei Roldugin a close friend of President Putin was officially the owner... Now listen to how they produce this piece John listen to this bit where it's gonna wind it up here listen to the music yeah because it's the composer who is you know part of the money laundering scheme hear the music! ...laundering operation in Russia. This man cellist Sergei Roldugin

30:09 friend of President Putin was officially the owner of two secretive companies which benefited from suspicious deals. For example, an offshore company borrows six million dollars three months later the loan is written off for just one dollar why would anyone want to give all this cash to a cellist? There's nothing that I I have seen which would make me do anything other than say stop, we need to investigate very closely what's going on here. To you does it look like money laundering? Yes it does look like money laundering to me for sure Mr Roldugin hasn't answered our questions Mosaic Fonseca say they have a strong compliance record through the leak the world can now see more clearly how the wealthy can hide their secrets

31:00 And up track. Richard Bilson, ABC News. Beautiful, beautiful production. Let's play a couple of other takes on this or actually let's you want to take a quick get our producers out of the way and then we go into these things in more depth? Wow is this early but I almost...I'm saying that because it's gonna drive home. Yeah well iIm always in the mood to say In The Morning To You John Cena! the sea stands for. Cash, cash, Dvorak B12

31:37 Yeah, no kidding. In the morning to you Mr Adam Curry also in the morning all ships and sea boots on the ground feeding the air subs in the water and all the dames and knights out there Oh in the morning everybody in the chat room Noah agenda stream calm good to have y'all here many people from New York I see checking in as well Thank You to our artists who always bring us artwork just at the end of every single show No agenda art generator comm and we choose one for probably the only podcast that does that as far as I know We want to thank Sir slough For the artwork for episode 8 1 3 the Clinton Condign. It was a nice ant Artwork hello, my name is Bill little magnifying glass there for bad stuff to happen to him yeah Good I liked it as beautiful piece of work we have A Few people who think it's executive associate executive producers then a few more to thank when we discuss the event in New York

32:32 And so sir Zander Hawks Bergen the Baron of the Alps and zondam zandam Netherlands two three four five six will be an associate executive producer for the show. Oh nice, and Hi guys no message just thankful for your hard work Baron of the Alps You've got karma Anybody can use extra karma always room for extra karma Yes, that's been our theory all along. JQ in Chicago $200 I can't thank you guys enough your coverage of the world events is unparalleled with John's historical context and Adams unique European perspective and the fact that both of you dig deeper and find sources for news that no lazy ass mainstream journals with shills seem to care to do is refreshing

33:23 and inspiring your recent coverage of the campaigns is excellent. I don't always share the same views as you, but... And you don't always share the same views as each other and i think that's a good thing. In recent conversations with family members and friends, I've had to excuse myself because I got too fired up! It seems to me most people on both right and left are no longer interested in conversation or productive dialogue Most people just want to be around people that agree with them so they can shut their ears and justify their own unjustifiable positions and shake their head at the rest of the world You're either a money-grubbing homophobic racist or condescending PC douchebag. It's not that simple. He's not for me That's our two-party system everybody and while they are distracting Distracted arguing over the imaginary divide or corporate one party system nothing really changes Bernie supporters kind of get it here Hilla retards Definitely do not horrible name I tried to explain this to my Bernie loving cousin who was the most receptive of the family? I tried to punch her in the mouth, and she was interested in

34:22 But she responded by saying she was worried I was getting too much of my media from, and these are her words, a shock jock atmosphere. Shock jock atmosphere! Shock jock. Shock jock. I'm so shocking. Shock jock. Shocking. Shock jock. Yeah take a look at my shock jock. She then sent me a bunch of links to Democracy Now. Talk about that's now that's a shock jock show right there. I tried to explain that they were complicit media. You must have someone deconstructing the news that does not take advertising dollars and for the shock-jock atmosphere, it's not worth trying to explain irony to someone who just can't feel it! Anyway keep up with great work a little karma for the second human resource on the way yes of course thank you so much JQ appreciate you've got karma very nice good note

35:17 Yeah, it was good. And you're right now when you feel the rage you got to back off his back off They said your friends and family don't want to argue with people that are so uninformed No You really just very easy to do you go? It's just kind of like listen and then you can use it and use it later with people who are informed Did you hear what she said? And get your kicks out. It's really best to just Realized they really believe what they're seeing it's their reality. It's the programming that has been put into their processor So we had an uber driver in Manhattan how was that? Middle-Eastern or what but he was so in on Hillary oh and He's his logic was that now which Dvorak's were in the car because this part of this for all this poor guy

36:09 No, no we were like this guy was so off to deep end no one wanted to say anything. Not even you? Because he's driving us! Oh yeah right good point good point. But it was just outrageous anyway I'll talk about that later. Ron Noren in Vluten Netherlands another Dutch 200 Listener sent show 725 so long overdue for value for value donation, please deduce me you got You've been D douched I work for a Dutch SAP Either yeah. Oh, what's your funny? I'm here. I'm here. I'm here. I work for a Dutch SAP something consulting firm called inter jobs and their jobs

37:00 And was hit in the mouth by two of my co-workers, obviously more SAP workers. We've got them! Xavier Hacking and Ronald Koningsenburg... Hold on a second. Xavier Hacking and Ronald Koningenberg. That means rabbit mountain. Please call out these two guys or go I'll call Ronald as a douchebag. DOUCHEBAG! Because he's never donated this shit to the listeners since episode one! Oh no! Please continue your efforts of debunking this media bullcrap Can i get it to do that? He's got one too many clips take a short video, Adam can take four out of seven

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39:28 Anyway, that's our group there for associate executive producers. We do have a few more to mention when we get into the bonus segment on the event in Manhattan which produced two executive producers and maybe three actually. I'm not sure, we will go over that when we get there. Meanwhile let's get back to the show. Before we move on, a little PR mention...I received in the mail the other day a brand new No Agenda novel by Sir Scott McKenzie! Now you recall Sir Scott has done Let's see, One Day in Gidmonation, A Gidmonation Christmas Carol. Then he has written here the short stories The Foot on the Shore

40:13 Death by auto pen, the 90 year old assassin perp walk conscience for sale. And he lives in Cheshire UK and he has a job and you know, and he likes doing stuff other than writing it's just a hobby for him but he is now published his new book which I read in about an hour and a half. I loved it so much. It's called The Boy with Involuntary Social Network Disorder Great title. Well, it's our word we came up with the involuntary social network disorder and Noah Jenin by Scott McKenzie I'll read the blurb on the back Patty is just a regular guy he drinks beer watches football chases girls and posts everything about himself online then he meets Laura

40:56 But he's shocked to discover that she lives her life almost entirely offline. She doesn't use social networks and doesn't even have a mobile phone, but despite Laura's differences from every other girl he has known, Patty is drawn to her and she opens his eyes to the world around him He discovers how social networks can be used to manipulate the public And finds himself faced with decisions that could lead him to abandon everyone and everything he knows for the chance of love and real purpose in his life Great blurb. It's a page turner, it's really good! It's a love story...it's great I have to say i'm so proud that this has come out of our show you know like we have our artwork and our jingles and our songs in the books is beautiful that will be around for a long time its physical right there

41:48 So you can find that at Amazon.com, also available Kindle, the boy with involuntary social network disorder I recommend getting the printed book though, i think that's much more fun to have Yeah, much more fun. So we congratulate sir Scott when I was back in met when I was meeting with one of my Pals in the publishing business also an agent yeah He said that Kindles everyone knows New York They're kind of relieved and they want to talk about it too much But the but hardcover and soft cover at the books The printed books are now taking hold back with the public and there's picking up Oh really? Yeah Is that is that just like looks flat

42:25 Yeah, that sounds a bit like what the music business is saying. Hey Vinyl's coming back man! It's gonna be great! Yeah I'm not buying it He does say that they're living in something of a dream world I'm not buying it Anyway congratulations Sir Scott we're very-I'm very proud and John you'll get a kick out of this You know there's all these little No Agenda bits that are woven throughout the whole The whole novel... I'll give an example She looked up from her kale salad Stuff like that, yeah. It's beautiful! There are some see something say somethings in there... all kinds of great stuff you will totally enjoy that so we're gonna give karma to Sir Scott for that and to our associate executive I'm sorry? Meme laden indeed not burdened but laden also of course Karma for our associate executive producers We highly appreciate what you do these are real credits and that's why we mentioned them at the beginning of the program Here is your karma

43:24 You've got karma. And remember, we have another show coming up on Sunday! Devorak dot org slash N-A Even if you don't have the finances or if you can't write novels... ...you can always be out there propagating the formula Our formula is this We go out, we hit people in the mouth In the morning sun's ray Shut Up Slave Question for you Quick question Indeed If the Earth is not flat why do we still talk about the four corners of the Earth?

44:09 Well, I think that's all first choosing different Continents the only question. I have for tonight there many guys The only question I have don't worry about it Just got to throw that in once a while man gonna keep the kooks coming yeah the coop the coops okay? So let's go back to the...okay, we're gonna talk about the Panama Papers for a little bit here. What part would you like me to take? Because you know that stuff I've done. I've done the Form 990s and all that so if you're interested in that let me know. Okay heres couple of things. Let's start with this so we have a little...well no wait lets start with the...let's start with the name. Panama Papers is a brilliant choice because it is a callback... It's absolutely fabulous. It's a callback...Let me say a couple things right off the top

44:56 This was, as far as I'm concerned you can tell me what you think. This was orchestrated by a major... ...major intelligence agency? Yes absolutely! Absolutely And all this nonsense about oh i'm gonna give you the papers but i'm afraid for my life and all this bullcrap we don't know who you know there's like a big mystery who came up with this You know- This was an intelligence agency gambit it's too big to crazy Can I just say something We have boots on the ground in Panama As a backgrounder One of our producers is a lawyer and has residence in Panama, and he immediately said Adam I don't know what's going on but the last year the Panamanian government and the financial sector has worked so hard to

45:42 to satisfy all these levels of security and transparency for the United States government. They said, they had just done all this? Okay good you guys are all transparent and then boom this happens that coincidence is crazy. That's another one. This is all very well schemed very well schemed I'm not absolutely sure though whether it is CIA, NSA or MI6. Or Russia for that matter. FSB. So if we just follow the money for a moment... The ICIJ is just a brand It's not an actual company or anything. It really is the Center For Public Integrity

46:34 And if you go to the ICIJ.org website and you want to donate, your donation is going to the Center for Public Integrity which does about $7 million a year... ...which is not a lot if you claim to be funding 400 independent journalists for over a year working on these papers but okay! The main funders, we can go through the whole list but you've probably already heard Open Society Foundation which is Soros. It's the Ford Foundation Rothschild Charity the, uh, let's see the one that I liked them the most or the two that liked the most is USAID. So I'm thinking that's where our spy group is coming from and keep your eye on a Donraff grand green route. Uh, Glenn Greenwald is not saying much about this even though Pierre Omidyar drive my car is also financing this operation. So it's all of the typical elites. So how can you ever think this is something that's real?

47:34 Well, it's real. Oh it's real but nothing is... the stuff that's being done here is not necessarily illegal in fact. Well let's take a look at that now I would Before taking a look at it lets listen to what the president had to say about it. Ah! I have that clip too but you can play your version In the news over the last couple of days, we've had another reminder in this big dump of data coming out of Panama that tax avoidance is a big global problem. Aha! That would be the message and the President's clearly on board It's not unique to other countries because frankly there are folks here in America who are taking advantage of this same stuff

48:16 A lot of it's legal, but that's exactly the problem. There has been some progress made in coordinating between tax authorities of different countries so that we can make sure that we're catching some of the most egregious examples. But as I said before, one of the big problems that we have Michael is

48:52 A lot of this stuff is legal. Not illegal." Yeah, he keeps emphasizing that. Which makes me wonder how deep he's in! Well that is a good point so maybe he's not running the show? So one of our producers on Twitter published this list of why you use these systems. This was Ancilla. Oh, Ancillatilly yeah? And so I...this list was dynamite and so I decided to just read it off as is today This is a Y-User Shell Corporation infographic. And it goes from legit to illegal, and I'm going to read them in order of the legit ones. The ones that are legal that Obama's talking about. Okay? And I can say by looking just at this list and the way I've always seen it you don't do this stuff because you want to be legit and legal. You're not doing this just for tax avoidance usually a lot of times you are. That's not legal by the way so he is not talking about that

49:52 What's he talking about? That's legal. Let's look at the legal ones and work our way to the worst of the worst, starting with this right at the top to protect trade secrets your high profile cyber corp wants to invest in a new tech competitors might beat you to it unless a shell conceals your investment. Okay good point competitive advantage yeah that would work and then you could do that without having to go to a Panamanian company Yeah, you could do it anywhere except Panama might have... You can do it in Morris and Forrester. But you might as well do it in Panama because its cheaper tax-wise Well one thing that was brought out is that all these big banks your buddies at HSBC whatever it is the money launderers The money launderers a USB, Credit Suisse all these guys are involved with this company so when you went to them saying hey I gotta set up a shell to protect my investments anyone noticing that I'm putting on my money over here

50:45 They would send, they would do the deal with Panama. So anyway... Okay that's number one. That's probably the most legitimate reason Then the next one is to keep your brand strong As a toy company wants to buy supplier that also makes sex aids Buying through a shell keeps concerned moms in the dark Are there, are there Chinese? Is it like Foxconn where they make sex aids They might. But everybody just does open business with Foxconn so that doesn't count Okay, now we're getting... Now it's going to get a little more interesting To resist price gouging Making a blockbuster movie sequel Book locations through a shell So hotels don't charge you an inflated Hollywood studio rate

51:27 Okay, seems like a long way to go. Well... It's possible I'm gonna set up and go all the trouble setting up a shell just so i can get a better hotel price No! it's for tax avoidance And now we're starting again in the gray areas To avoid kidnapping Oh yes Service provides through the US government and foreign hotspot A shell company could keep your officer identity secret and off hit lists Nah. To hide assets from a future ex, divorce getting messy? You can't sue... Oh damn! Where was this Panama advice before I got divorced?! I'm so stupid. Divorce getting messy you can't sue for the island house if he doesn't know you bought it. Okay now here we go to go bankrupt and stay rich bankruptcy courts are like ex-spouses they can't take what they don't know exists right that's cheating the system

52:17 You're cheating the courts. That's actually illegal, yeah? So we're in now there are all illegal so there's only maybe a couple of legitimate reasons Obama is full of shit is what I'm trying to say. Yeah! Okay number here we go... To evade taxes it's cheaper to pay Bermuda fees for an anonymous account than to declare your revenues and give the IRS a big cut ask for a fortune ask a Fortune 500 company Brought to bribe officials can't do business in Russia without lining some pockets using an anonymous slush fund Just don't get caught like Hewlett-Packard did okay worse to manipulate markets now this one. That's a that's a big one That's a big one own a bunch of cheap stock start a boiler room scam to bid up the price use a shell To dump your shares at a huge profit siphoning buyer you can this has been going on since the stock markets existed I'm sure

53:08 There's a lot of companies and I would name a couple. I've watched them do it, although you can't prove anything but i remember when Jack Tramiel was running...I forget which company of the one with many...the Commodore. bring out a they do there's great the stock was like in three boxes before the sixty four the common or sixty-four this is during the era after the sixty five k the one twenty eight and one twenty at some of these other things that they would and i remember watching this one is gray as a holy mackerel Commodore came out and said they're gonna bring out a PC kind of a clone, and they showed it PC And they did they showed pictures and images and all this stuff to start Skyrocketed the like nice well over 15 from 3 let me guess big sell-off It went way up. Yeah, and then people sold off no oh okay?

54:04 No, it was going. It was headed up and then Commodore... If you're gonna manipulate the market you have to have control. Pumping dumps are like risky This way it's like you pump and you do is a pump-and-dump but goes like, but is legal. It's totally legal to do what they did is not legal the trade on this information so that you trade through a shell company if you had one. And so you announced new products of these... I can probably still... Can we then also presume that members of Congress who are completely immune from investing based on insider information because they're making the insider information, can I presume that there may be some congressmen and women and senators who would have this construction set up for themselves? They don't need to. They don't need to? No cause they're immune from- Right but they don't like prying eyes. Uh no. Okay

55:01 I don't think so. That's why there are not that many Americans involved, and we're going to see maybe a few hundred. We're running the show! That is why there aren't any Americans involved? Who did we bring up? David Geffen. Yeah...that would be a possibility. Well, what you will find in these papers right now is Bernie Madoff money. Oh really?! Yeah. And I think Bernie Madoff money has got something to do with this. Somebody in one of these agencies got burned by Bernie and this was a part of his scheme to find the money because they know that Bernie squirreled the money away, they can't find a nickel of it. And then what are they going to do? They're gonna confiscate it? Yeah! It's gotta be a lot of dough. Probably 20-30 million. No billion. Billion yeah. Alright let me get back to the scheme

55:54 So you make this announcement, and then the stock goes from three to 12. And then two weeks later you pull it and say we're not gonna do the product. Stock falls back to three. Just like buying opportunity. Well, to do it again, just as it goes up, now I'm not gonna do it, it goes down. Now, I looked into this when it happened, and I found out that you can do, its legal in the United States to do what's called dry testing And dry testing is to announce a product, to see if there's any interest. Right. If the interest isn't what you want it to be whatever that is You can just pull the product and its not like you've done anything illegal In politics it's called the trial balloon

56:40 This is a trial balloon. And so the product is announced, coincidentally the stock goes flying and then the product's unannounced and this stock goes right back down. You could be on that long side just before the announcement to a shell company and then be on the short side when you pull the product. It's a very simple mechanism and you can make so much money doing that in one of these illegal mechanisms which is not helping them stock market anywhere in the world. Anyway, that's where you can do it. All right, Onward! to bribe officials, to manipulate markets. Then we get to cover fraud! You run an oil-rich country and make millions selling crude off the books... buy your bling through a shell company... this means Erdogan's gonna be there. Right? He's gonna show up on the list of course.

57:26 Now we're getting even worse to deal drugs or arms. How else are these paramilitary rebels supposed to pay you for these stolen RPGs and the AK-47's? And then the last one on this list, do finance terror. Yeah my favorite. So most of the things on this... The reason you want these shell companies is illegal and then you know of course these 11 million documents not only talk about the Shell company, but it apparently goes deeper and gives you some insight into the scams going on. And play this clip! This is FIFA... You know, say the Iceland guy? This is the guys who got busted in the Panamanian papers. Yeah, this is what really... You're so right when I think about it Who gives a crap about Iceland football?! That's what we really care about! Squirrel, you have my attention Well, a top FIFA World Soccer official has resigned in the fallout from the Panama Papers leaks

58:20 Juan Pedro Damiani was an ethics committee member. He was named in the leaks and he is now under investigation, and the man at the top of FIFA Gianni Infantino this gentleman right here. He's also with the firing line tonight Swiss police raided the headquarters of European football's governing body UEFA on Wednesday they were looking for a document that Infantino signed during his time there It was a TV rights deal with the company whose owners have since been accused of fraud. Now, he has raised of course a lot of questions can soccer's governing bodies FIFA UEFA really clean up their act? Yeah you're right so it's just probably everybody is in this database one way or the other

59:09 Well, everybody who's trying to scam their way through this kind of... This wasn't like a tax thing. The FIFA wave or whatever it is deal. It was just embezzlement for all practical purposes and there's going to be a lot of that. That's what these shells are good for. They're good for all kinds of fancy footwork if you're... And by the way which is kinda shocking to me we have these people are supposed to be our leaders The guy who runs FIFA is supposed to be our leader. He's doing this service for the soccer-loving public, and these other people are supposed to be our leaders! And this bullcrap Cameron is involved in! These people are...the leadership of the world is all involved in this and they're all corrupt

59:56 This is not really a pleasant thing to witness. And this is going to get worse as they go through these, I don't know how many shell companies there were, there was thousands and every one of them is just scam of some sort and the tax avoidance thing I think has really got not much to do with it all the legal uses I doubt there's very many that were done for the purposes of like avoiding, you know a divorce settlement or something along those simplistic lines. I'm sure there's a couple but for the most part people whose names crop up are going to be criminal and the ones they've already brought up are already in jail for some other financial crime which means that's just the tip of the real iceberg which has got to be a whopper now exactly where

1:00:41 Soros and these guys, and this journalist operation. They may have been also kind of set up by having their being associated with what's gonna happen. Well, I'll have to say right off the bat now this came from Germany BND are heralded in the intelligence community as top-notch there you know that's their intelligence agency. BND is very very very good so you gotta keep eyes on them well they may have been behind it Possibly. Because they, I mean this stuff went to Germany it didn't go to any other outlet so do them a favor

1:01:21 Of course, it could be all misdirection. This has got so much intrigue and how and how is this not theft of a commercial company's? Property have you seen the CEO of this? Yeah guys. Yeah the guy is like No one cares we've been robbed of our stuff this is a horrible hack no one's talking about I I know. It's insane! There is not a word about cyber anywhere in relation to this story Not at all how it was done, just some deep source the Germans got it they gave it to the German media who are pretty darn good at propaganda Did you know that in Germany it is an offense? A finable and jailable

1:02:15 Imprisonable offense, if you insult a world leader or head of state publicly. I didn't know this but it is... I didn't know this? Yes the guy who insulted there's a comedian and he did some poem about Erdogan and he's being investigated to be thrown in jail and they pulled the whole thing... In Germany?! Yes! In Deutschland ja! Because i thought it was illegal, I know its illegal in Turkey even though it's not supposed to be. Yeah yeah no it isn't allowed Go ahead. So you remember those puppets they did in England with the spitting image? Exactly, spitting image and that's coming back by the way so that's coming back I predict it now spitting images coming back It's a cycle its time its time for that television entertainment cycle You know the images are great and the puppets are fantastic. I think their writing needs improvement That's really weak smile yeah possibly. I'm looking for the looking for the

1:03:09 Oh, here I have it. Yeah, it's a German television poll satire... Let me see the Wall Street Journal had an article about this. But this is a scandal! Well, yeah well, it's German law. I didn't realize this but you're not allowed to publicly insult another head of state Wow. Yeah. Well Trump would be doomed over there He sure would. He sure would That's kind of crazy. Yes, anyway so let's look at the way our media looked at this thing here's PBS on the Panama Papers you'd think PBS NewsHour would have probably in-depth coverage with a lot of explanation about what's going on they could have just purchased the BBC panorama package and done a US voiceover. They could've run the panorama package and they could put a whiteboard up and maybe drew a few arrows but yeah or one of those sketches go

1:04:03 you know, those fast animated sketches? I do test those. Yeah yeah here okay here we go more world leaders found themselves on the defensive today over offshore investments they were detailed this week in a massive leak of documents the so-called Panama Papers British Prime Minister David Cameron said today that his family will not benefit from offshore funds or trusts in the future. And in Tokyo, Ukraine's president Petro Poroshenko said that his offshore holdings were a blind trust that he created once he took office. The only purpose of that was a transparent separation business of the Ukrainian president from any political influence this is absolutely normal procedure

1:04:55 And I think this is the main difference from blaming all the political figures in these panamalists. Also today, the documents leak led police in Switzerland to raid the headquarters of European soccer's governing body. They're focused on a TV contract that could be linked to a bribery scandal. Allow me to summarize up to this point because I like the deconstruction you're doing So we have to figure out which intelligence agency or agencies or units, let me just summarize are behind this because I agree with you. Everyone is corrupt they're all corrupt the president included and that's why he said hey it was not illegal it was not illegal stuff I may be doing wasn't legal so someone is using this as the ultimate blackmailing tool The twist you threw onto that which I like a lot is the Bernie Madoff money

1:05:50 which I'm sure brings in a whole nother, it certainly brings in celebrities and other people that are great for media attention for any topic. But really this is foreign policy by blackmail. It doesn't even have to be... They might not even have documents for all I know we don't know. I haven't seen anything dumb. In fact you could be right but I think there's something here's a couple of things about that that the I was really disturbed by the PBS report They used the term offshore investment as though you're buying some stock in the Brazilian oil company. I know, you're investing in your own shell company! This is not an offshore investment let's start with that it's not an investment at all right

1:06:38 And then she says, so-called Panama Papers. And you use this... This is a propaganda term. Ah! Very good point. You only use the term so called to kind of marginalize what you're going to say next. Discredit. Oh I see Adam what are you drinking? Oh Adam oh you're drinking some so called wine It's a pre disparaging comment Yeah Oh, you're having some so-called champagne. And that's exactly what you say to me often! I do. Well it's because of the quality. That's so called champagne you're drinking correct? So called. So called caviar. It is not so called... They are the Panama Papers. That's what they're called they're not so called. Wait where is my hearing aid?

1:07:35 There's no mention again. If anyone out there wants to listen to any of these reports, you're going to still hear nothing about the potential... So-called podcaster? So-called podcasters. Bernie Madoff not mentioned a chorus and that piece was so soft pedaled I want to listen to it again now that you've done that for us Okay Listen how soft pedaled it is and it's just like well this is happening but who gives a shit Four world leaders found themselves on the defensive today over offshore investments. They were detailed this week in a massive leak of documents, the so-called Panama Papers. British Prime Minister David Cameron said today that his family will not benefit from offshore funds or trusts in the future.

1:08:23 So he's all over it. This is problematic in the future There's no big deal not in the future we won't do that and in Tokyo Ukraine president Petro Poroshenko said that his offshore holdings were a blind trust that he created once he took office Yeah, that's probably also a heads up because every single politician who has an elected seat, you know they go through this. Oh put it in the blind trust we may see it. Trust is not one of these deals. No exactly exactly blind trusted Goldman Sachs does it for you or the vantage fund or whatever its called yeah. Yeah, I agree. The only purpose of that was a transparent separation business of the Ukrainian president from any political influence yes

1:09:11 This is absolutely normal procedure. And I think this is the main difference. I think this is the main difference from blaming all the political figures in these Panama lists. Also today, the documents leak led police in Switzerland to raid the headquarters of European soccer's governing body. They're focused on a TV contract that could be linked to a bribery scandal. Could be! So now I'm very, see this is what triggered me. I think that this is bigger than anyone wants to imagine. This was just the kickoff. This was the kickoff media blitz then we made it- And it was soft peddled as though nothing going on don't worry about... That's the American public getting by the way from all media. As if you know what really have some sense of this, you immediately have to say to yourself whoa! But this not the way to report things. What's interesting

1:10:17 is because I was so focused on European press for the Dutch referendum. They're all in! Oh, totally they're all a-holes everybody no one noticed that neither American prominent politicians or celebrities were mentioned nor were there any Dutch mentioned yeah they are forthcoming They've like, oh there's 24 people in the database. It's all forthcoming so but they're all in! Oh we believe it anything that comes out of that database in Europe I'm just going to assert will be believed 100%. Well I don't know how much is actually gonna come out but let's go on to democracy now which takes this a little differently they kind of are on it and...

1:11:06 They're not, uh... they don't- they're still more concerned about gay rights. Yeah I got some stuff on that for us too if we're interested. So Democracy Now!, the Panama Papers and Obama there's also the Obama quotes in here too but you had a better version with the longer Obama hemming and hawing about how it's actually legal it's legal! We gotta cut through this is all legal what's going on? And we just need to fix the loopholes?! You can take that to the bank His soundbites are going to be pretty ugly, man. When his blind trust comes to floats to the top. Iceland's prime minister has resigned becoming the first major casualty of The Panama Papers revelations I love the word casualty It was a good one

1:11:52 You know what I'm saying? Yeah, I totally agree with you. Leaked documents from the Panama-based law firm— Hit by a truck! What? Say what? Got hit by a truck. —of the Panama Papers revelations. Leaked documents from the Panama-based law firm Osaque Fonseca revealed that Prime Minister Sigmundur David Gunnlaugsson He owned an offshore company with his wife, which he failed to declare when he entered parliament. He's accused of concealing millions of dollars' worth of family assets. Gunnlaugsson's resignation followed the largest public demonstrations in Iceland's history.

1:12:28 Reykjavik for more on Iceland later in the broadcast. Meanwhile, President Obama has spoken out about the Panama Papers while urging Congress to close tax loopholes known as inversions in which U.S. corporations agree to be bought by foreign companies simply to avoid paying U.S. taxes. The Treasury Department has unveiled new regulations to try to limit this process. On Tuesday, Obama said that many in the United States were taking advantage of legal loopholes to avoid U.S. taxes. reminder in this big dump of data coming out of Panama that tax avoidance is a big global problem. It's not unique to other countries because, frankly there are folks here in America who are taking advantage of the same stuff. A lot of it's legal

1:13:15 But that's exactly the problem. It's not that they're breaking the laws, it's just that the laws are so poorly designed that they allow people if they've got enough lawyers and enough accountants to wiggle out of responsibilities that ordinary citizens are having to abide by." Yeah its thin but it sounded like to me like oh Oh, you know the Obama administration was all over this tax thing coincidentally and have just kind of set up some kind of things that we're not going to go in depth on but they're all over this inversion thing. Well course this has nothing to do with inversion whatsoever No But is he wanting me continue with the clip or what? And he liked put the two together so because inversions a big deal and there happens to be this giant inversion play out there right now with Pfizer and Allergan

1:14:05 Irish drug company the Pfizer's trying to sell itself to them and become an Irish company, we're not putting that. We're not going for it No Right but that's they're kind of binding that into these Panama because it's easier to deal with And now you can soft play these documents again also on Tuesday pharmaceutical giant Pfizer reportedly decided to abandon plans to merge with the Ireland-based drugmaker Allergan following the unveiling of the Treasury Department's new rules. The deal would have allowed Pfizer to avoid billions in U.S. taxes and would have been one of the largest corporate inversions in US history

1:14:44 This comes as the Panama Papers have revealed at least 200 U.S. citizens who use the Panama-based law firm El Sacfonseca, the world's fourth largest offshore law firm. The list includes Robert Miracle of Bellevue, Washington, who is serving a 13-year sentence for a multimillion dollar Ponzi scheme based on investments in Indonesian oil fields, and Benjamin Way, head of the private equity firm New York Global Group. Way was indicted last year on securities fraud. Since the beginning of publication of The Panama Papers Sunday, many have questioned why more U.S. citizens and companies have not been named in articles analyzing more than 11½ million secret files. You can go to democracynow.org to see our full discussion about

1:15:30 the Panama Papers yesterday. There's others that have to be named. I'm not sure what they're...I think it's going to be, you're gonna find people...I don't want to say or predict any particular name except for the Bernie Madoff names but I can think of a number of athletes who probably got involved in this. Athletes, professional athletes who make millions and millions and are worth some close to $1 billion dollars in some instances are suckers for this stuff! Yeah how about this? To expand

1:16:18 What if the Madoff money, which you've all been led to believe was a Ponzi scheme? Which was a pretty easy excuse. What if that was actually laundered for the drugs? Possible. And everybody knew it like this is, we're making money hand over foot here so they had a double-double... This is real conspiratorial but they had a double-double booking system so they made it look like they were doing a Ponzi scheme but really everyone was benefiting. Ponzi's scheme as a front for money laundering right? It's pretty extreme but it's a funny idea why not and everybody was I can see Kevin Bacon going drug money hell yeah! I'm a consumer come on let's do it

1:17:03 Well, in Panama you know where Noriega was once running the place is a notorious hub. Even though they play it up as a financial hub... I'm afraid to call Uncle Don about this one this is not a good idea. I shouldn't be talking to him about anything Panama or Nicaragua related Probably not. We're going to have to go on our own on this one. I think so! I expect more and more stuff to come in now, Deutsche Welle had a nice little exposition on this and they're German so it still doesn't do the job of the list that Ansela had on her tweet but

1:17:43 But it's at least getting closer, but we're not seeing anything like what you're going to hear on DW in the United States. I don't know how long they are going to be able put this off but this reminds me of how... Remember during their early days of Occupy? We were like the only two people that were talking about it. Yeah there was zero, zero-zero-zero So let's hear this and then I wrap. That's correct here in Germany the German Justice Minister Heiko Maas says the cover-up must end he announced plans for a national register that would force shell companies to reveal the identity of its owners That's a response to the Panama Papers, which as you know leaked decades worth of documents from Mossack Fonseca detailing how clients

1:18:27 hide their cash. Let's take a look at that now the law firm is headquartered in Panama but not all of its 200,000 shell companies are actually based there less than 50,000 are most are in fact located in the British Virgin Islands which is UK territory though not subject to EU law Another favorite tax haven for the firm are the islands off the coast of East Africa known as the Seychelles. Also a very nice place to go on holidays if you're a millionaire. Now Mossack Fonseca has opened accounts all over the world in the United States, Europe and Asia and it's done it with the help of hundreds of banks

1:19:06 More than 500 banks from around the world set up offshore companies for their clients through the Mossack Fonseca law firm in Panama. The banks include big names like British financial giant HSBC, Swiss banks Credit Suisse and UBS along with French lender Societe Generale At least 28 German banks allegedly took part in the deal dealings, including Germany's largest lender Deutsche Bank. Customers holding offshore accounts in Panama can now expect to hear from authorities. Well we need to investigate the individual cases where they've got people holding their money offshore you know some of it will be technically legal I'm sure some of it won't be but we need accountability if you are a rich powerful individual and

1:19:55 paying your taxes by having your money offshore. That is fundamentally unfair, it undermines our democracy but also means that we don't have the money that's needed for public services." Some of the banks involved have already stressed that setting up offshore companies is not illegal and business activities are strictly regulated And the role banks play in helping their customers hide money comes as little surprise. In late 2015, Germany's Commerzbank agreed to pay 17 million euros in fines because of dubious business dealings in Panama and Luxembourg Yeah. That's just like, and of course they I'd say that was somewhat downplayed too yeah oh you know it's legal to do this how about this the Madoff kids were running the drug laundering if they snookered the old dude into thinking he was just running a simple Ponzi scheme

1:20:46 You know, the both sons are dead. Yeah I like it but Andrew Madoff died in 2014 he was still under investigation at that time But those kids didn't go to jail I don't know. I'm just throwing pebbles into the stream." Well, there's going to be a lot more to throw out as more... it depends on how this is gonna be handled. Now if you have Soros who may well be one of the guys although i don't get the sense that he needs to pull schemes like this. This is an amateur hour to do this stuff To me. Well, someone came in and said we'll do fancy infographics and that will give us credibility and we'll launch it with a couple of you know Putins and we'll launch it with uh... You know someone will have to step down We got all that So its launched People already know Putin has scammed money I mean really they're worried about one billion dollars? Please! And Putin's going Bitch you insulting me is what he's doing One billion That's nothing It's nothing

1:21:50 This is the story that I think, unless they... depends on where those documents are if they're held by more than one. If they don't have backup somewhere or something, you know, the documents could all disappear. If there ever were documents? Well let's say there are! I'm assuming there are. Then it's not taking you...I can do to the other thing too but i'm not going to. No, no. But then I believe there is a terabytes of material right so we should have the leaks of the leaks pretty soon There should be some leaks of leaks. And it could because these journalists who are being paid by these, the journalists aren't I don't care how much money they're not making anything still 400 is quite a bit what? 400 They say in their own by their own admission. 400 journalists are being have been paid for a year to work on this. Yeah. So there's 400 journalist and they can't keep your mouth shut

1:22:45 And if they suspect that something hinky is going on, if their investigative journalist weren't there. So now it's more likely they're talented enough to be there. They will... By the way any chance of you running into one of these 400 tell them to make a full copy! It's only like what how many thumb drives is it? You can get a terabyte thumb drive now I think. Yeah so three thumb drives are good. That's easy Yeah, but anyway so USB 3 is pretty fast. You can download it just help out for a second who because I'm of course interested in the next few days and focusing on the Madoff connection love that but also you know what intelligence organization organizations do we think are part of this?

1:23:40 I mean, who are they after? Yeah. This is maybe one of those deals... Of course, I picked this idea up from watching too many really old Law and Orders type of dramas which is that sometimes ... And now you get the sense this goes on every so often You want to kill someone as your intelligence agency targeted somebody and you don't want to make it obvious that you killed them So you kill a whole bunch of people and they just happen to be in the group And then no one figures out that it was just a targeted killing of this one guy. So, that might be going on because let's face it the people who are involved in these kind of sketchy shell companies and the Seychelles and British Virgin Islands they're douchebags! Yeah they are... So what if they get burned? I mean there has been a bunch-I've seen tweets

1:24:32 Oh my god, they're naming names without doing any other name. They are besmirching the reputation of these various people who are doing business with a Panamanian law firm whose specialty is setting up sketchy operations! Okay so they got mentioned there did their part of it big sweep well this would be extremely handy for democracy You know, it's like oh look hey public. Look at the horrible stealing that your leader has done isn't it time to revolt? I mean that's what we're going to see that USAID That's their involvement if they are involved but they are certainly contributing to this. Yeah USAID leads me to believe is one of our agencies which one I don't know this not overthrowing a government but this data information really seems like NSA but then again

1:25:25 I don't know. Hopefully, within the next 30 days we should be able to kind of figure it out. Hey let's go back for a second... What if your Russia idea is correct? You know, throw a couple of people out there. Toss a few to the wolves. Like FSB being behind this? Yeah! Hey look at this cellist... Okay there's your Putin connection onward now let's look at stuff you know that you really hit me with the Obama thing where he saying oh it's not illegal is not illegal thou doth protesteth too much methinketh yeah totally huh

1:26:01 FSB, it would be really tricky. And yeah everybody already knows about Putin being loaded and it's like okay hey Putin is out well that's how he did it what do you do with all that money oh there it is and there was a cellist I made a bunch of my you know he's one of our best cellists he deserves six million dollars um could be and yeah that would be a good uh nothing to see here kind of way to go just If Putin has to, you know get... It's not gonna hurt his reputation. I don't think in the country that Russians have that kind of attitude But so they might be after Obama or they might be after who knows who? Or Hillary! Although i think that Hillary is- Obama came out so quickly with his response to this Yeah it was very very much quicker than anything You know took weeks before he said anything about what's her name Carol Manning Chelsea Manning. Yeah. Carol

1:26:55 Carol Carol Carol Manning chanting I Will keep our eye on it, but we'll probably learn something pretty soon. Well whatever the I think this is a fantastic moment Yeah in just have some fun with and propaganda history This is a big one It's gonna be a lot of they're gonna be able to play this all kinds of different ways And we're gonna be able to deconstruct it and keep Keep our listeners and producers happy. Yes, now I'm going to transition out of this with some other shenanigans that were going on regarding banking that was very very confusing and our man Matt Lee who has now twice tweeted me he'll take me up on the offer for free beer in Austin when he gets here. I'll buy him 10. I bet you he's a drinker what do you think?

1:27:43 Well, the problem is not normally the old journalist thing as you try to get people kind of like sauce enough sauce But because you're such a lightweight. Oh yeah You saw and you can tell him all kinds of stuff I'll bring Tina along she'll keep an eye on me give you the elbow to that Yeah, she cannot drink anybody. I'm sure well. That's good. I have a feeling Just insulted her I was trying to retract it like nice Chicago man. Come on, Chicago these girls don't mess around yeah She's a great wingman again. Yeah what keep digging diggin? Yeah No she knows what I mean Thanks John all right Matt Lee so there's uh something that Rubio brought up in the Senate and

1:28:33 about Iran and the sanctions on them using the United States financial system. And it was very, you know... I'm not quite sure exactly what Rubio said but it does come up in this clip and Matt Lee is questioning. Not Kirby with the other douchebag who's actually better but it's funny and that's also funnier when he's flustered because he's really flustered. Yeah, Kirby has got to go! He's just a dick. Brought this up and well this may be somehow related maybe all the noise about the Panama Papers you know, kept the attention away from this question that was raised to Ambassador Shannon yesterday in the Foreign Relations Committee. That was most that more directly addressed what it is that we understand the administration is considering was raised by Senator Rubio and that is the allowing non Iranian and non US banks to do trades in dollars

1:29:33 Four deals that would involve Iran as long as the dollars don't end up in Some I understand is that is not what's under consideration What what is it? I'm not gonna say except to say that Just to clarify, I mean, okay. Let me because in fact That is what we understand as being I understand that you okay so an issue here is With the lifting of the sanctions in the Iran deal, which though the president has said they're not really keeping to this spirit of the agreement although they are to the letter. We have to allow them to do certain things to not directly access our financial system because that is a sanction that is in place because you know all the other stuff that Iran might do but apparently we're helping them figure out ways to shuffle money around

1:30:30 I don't know if that goes through Panama or not, but just it was coincidentally that they're working on this at the same time. I believe that's what's being considered. What- what I would say is that we continue to advise banks and other governments on ways that they can conduct business with Iran in a way that does not violate existing US sanctions. And there are ways to do that, but it does not involve banks converting money to dollars or otherwise... Well it actually inherently does so but it does because as you know the international commerce finance is structured in such a way

1:31:16 Huge amounts of transactions from currency A to currency C go through currency B, which is the dollar. But anyway... I understand that but there are other currencies. So you're saying right now that you guys are out there coaching Not, not that's... Well. Advising. Advising? But that's coaching. Coaching banks and businesses how to do deals in such a way. Well you say you're advising them how to deals in such a way that you can avoid the US sanctions. You think that would work through Panama? Do you think it would be one way to do it? I don't think that's necessary. I don't think so either but they're really sketchy about explaining pretty much how the U.S.,

1:31:57 State Department and or the administration is saying hey if you want to do business and not break the sanctions here's this little quick place you can exchange everything. And, you know, mums the word! I mean it's possible but at this point no. I don't think anything is going through Panama for a while I don't know. It's interesting though, and coaching is exactly what we're doing. Yeah coaching for sure you want to hear the rest? There's a synonym there but it has a different implication. You wanna hear the rest? Come on kid you can do it! No no no no no no no you're not doing it right

1:32:37 You want to hear the rest? Yeah, no I'm always interested in what Matt's got to say. It is incumbent on us and Secretary spoke about this the other day, it's incumbent on us to live up to our end of this deal which is too. And part of that is you know is to advise these banks and governments in ways that they can Avoid US sanctions. Precisely, that they can work... I don't necessarily... the idea of coaching it's simply our obligation as part of the JCPOA to advise them

1:33:28 that they don't, I mean these banks don't want to violate existing US sanctions. Right so you're telling them how here's what they are but they are basically telling foreign banks and foreign companies how they can use loopholes in the U.S. That's not accurate. Well okay well what is it? They don't want to talk about it. That's for sure loophole It is a loophole that's very funny and guys good he gets no respect I tell you yeah, well this LGBTQ Qia P stuff if you're interested in that we can do that or I can discuss the it's maybe good time to talk about the party and Lord Manhattan

1:34:21 Then go to that or you can go to that and we do that after that wait, why don't why don't? We just do this as a little uh okay ahead of the game right now is good. I definitely have one clip of The Mississippi thing okay Mississippi Mississippi M-I-S-S-I S-S-I P-P-Y I had so much fun checking my spelling on that the past couple days. It's a little, it's a ditty that we learned with you and Brian. M-I-S-S-I S-S-I P-P-Y Mississippi Governor Phil Bryant has signed a sweeping anti LGBT law which will allow organizations and businesses to deny people an array of services based on religious objections. Opponents say the new law set to take effect in July will legalize discrimination against LGBT people." American Civil Liberties Union of Mississippi head Jennifer Riley Collins said, quote, "'This is a sad day for the state of Mississippi.'

1:35:10 and for the thousands of Mississippians who can now be turned away from businesses, refused marriage licenses or denied housing essential services and needed care based on who they are," end quote. On Tuesday, Chad Griffin of the Human Rights Campaign compared Mississippi's law to the anti-LGBT law recently passed in North Carolina. Mississippi needs only to look as far as North Carolina, to see how damaging discrimination can be to a state's reputation and to a state's economy. All right yeah that's pretty similar to what I got from the other networks i do have uh... couple examples just so you can hear the words that are being used because what we do there is one of them piece of language what we do based on

1:35:57 on your support of the show is we go and we read the documents, and we do some homework which... And we certainly tell you exactly what's in it not over-embellished a way as being done here. So that was... What was that? Was that Democracy Now?! Yes! Okay here's ABC Next here this evening to a flashpoint The Tennessee legislature weighing a vote on a new law To protect the right of counselors to turn away patients if treating them would violate their religious beliefs It's the latest in a wave of similar laws across this country, including a move in Mississippi. Tonight the culture war over same-sex marriage has come to Mississippi. Protesters here are taking their outrage to Governor Phil Bryant's door. This week he signed in a new law allowing public and private businesses to refuse service on religious grounds to gay or transgender people and not just cakes flowers and wedding venues but adoptions certain medical services and counseling critics call it state sanctioned bigotry

1:36:52 Mm-hmm. Okay, that's ABC so clearly LGBTQQIAAP at the forefront and state sanctioned bigotry we go now to Why is this ABC again? No I'm sorry do we go to NBC New State controversy Mississippi now embroiled in a debate over religious freedom and gay rights With the stroke of his pen, the governor of Mississippi is setting in motion a giant controversy that's reverberating across the country this morning. Opponents say the new law legalizes discrimination. Former NSYNC singer and Mississippi native Lance Bass posted a sign that reads, entering Mississippi please turn your clocks back 200 years.

1:37:33 Okay, so I guess that's equating... That's the joke i like to use. Yeah, so I think it is equating it to slavery and there's a lot of that going on CBS their version New York's governor has banned non-essential state travel to Mississippi because of that state's So called religious freedom bill and the online payment service PayPal is cancelling plans to open a new facility in North Carolina citing the states new transgender law Critics say the measure discriminates against members of the gay lesbian and transgender community Yeah, so it was all kind of universal. It was seen as an anti-gay bill etc., etc.. I just wanted to give you the actual background on this Mississippi Bill which is House Number 1523 The name of it is Protecting Freedom Of Conscience From Government Discrimination Act and it's written very narrowly And it only pertains to the following situations

1:38:30 So, the act of solemnizing a marriage or services for a solmonization or a marriage accommodations facilities goods and privileges for a purpose related to the solomnization formation celebration or recognition of any marriage based upon or in manner consistent with a sincerely held religious belief or moral conviction described in section 2. This pertains also to employment related decisions in this sector. So, this is about the marriage sector or I'd say the wedding sector. The same concerning any... This is an anti-gay marriage targeted bill

1:39:19 Yes, but I'm just pointing a couple things out. Okay go It is only for marriage and not anti-gay and i'll get to that No it is based upon two inherent religious beliefs One is that marriage is between a man and woman And two is that sex only takes place after the marriage of a man and woman And so what and I don't think this is necessary. This is complete overkill, but it's so stupid they've done this because Hello Sharia law boy we're gonna benefit from this crap. I'm telling you first thing I thought the first thing You said baby? That's the first thing you said absolutely on the lot way First thing I said about North Carolina, but when this happened if they said that it sent it to myself again Yeah, I thought sharia law redlining real estate there's all kinds of possibilities here that

1:40:16 or just completely out of control. That said, I cannot see how one lawsuit won't get this...and i don't see the Supreme Court backing this in a million years but that's... Well from a constitutional point as you know I'm a CONSTITUTIONAL LAWYER! It's really interesting because we have the Civil Rights Act. The Civil Rights Act was not about gender it was about race and As far as I understand it, you need to correct me. The Civil Rights Act was more about government facilities, government agencies anything that has to do with federal or state governments but i'm not entirely sure...I think you could still refuse service to anybody for whatever reason

1:40:59 what this law is supposed to do, it's supposed to protect people who say hey I rejected your business for whatever my reasons are. You can't force me to do it based upon a conflict of my religious feelings which I think any Supreme Court would say no you can't do that so this law is unnecessary but what it does actually gives a lot of people very very staunch Republicans full of right-wing rhetoric and Christianity they've totally shot themselves in the foot with this because the first thing CARE is going to do, you watch. Hey now we believe differently it could be doing a man and a woman and a woman and a woman and a woman and a woman and a woman and a woman with a little boy on the side maybe that's what they'll say

1:41:41 You know, this is insane for this to be done but it's really being... It's not getting the scrutiny it deserves because of the very loud gay voice and gay agenda on this. Whereas you know really what do you care? What do you care if someone doesn't want to bake a cake for you who cares now that you won't get hired or fired I mean yeah You know, I think it's something for the Supreme Court more than anything. It's... or..I don't know! Or just leave it at the states if you want that to be but you're really stupid Mississippi. Be really gonna bring in all kinds of problems with other religions because you're not the only one CNN...it was just funny. Yeah, no, it seems as though they were writing these things just based on Christian fundamentalists as though there is no Jewish fundamentalist or Hindu Muslim fundamentalist who have these crazy beliefs. Yeah, or Sikh

1:42:35 Sikh fundamentalists. All of this stuff, all of this stuff. Hindus, Buddhists... This was funny Ashley Benningfield who's kind of ditzy well they're all ditzy although she's a lawyer but she comes across as ditzy and cute and she CNNed There is one other piece the language And I'm gonna have to paraphrase it but It-It's odd The law in Mississippi protects from discrimination claims from anyone who believes that marriage is between one man and one woman so if the cake baker doesn't want to bake a cake for a same sex marriage they get the protection from a discrimination lawsuit And then there's this, and that sexual relations are reserved solely for marriage. So I wasn't aware of that until I just happened to notice it today Does that mean that cake baker could refuse a couple that just lives together? To bake a cake for someone who just lives together

1:43:22 Absolutely. Absolutely, that's exactly what it means. Why is that not making bigger headlines? Because that affects... Ashley's worried she's not going to get a cake because she's a slut! Millions and millions of people are sort of beyond the whole you can't have sex before you're married issue. I'm not gonna get my cake! The Mississippi law makes the other laws look tiny just because this is to be of course of the kind of in the provisions you're talking about and also the number of people and institutions that are allowed to discriminate under the mississippi law it's every business in the state its every church it's every uh... it's the government itself so the breath of this law is really extraordinary far greater than the north carolina law or even the indiana law that was overturned

1:44:11 So, you know I think you're right to point out what an extreme version of the law is but this is what the legislators wanted. Well that's true but what a mistake. What just what a gross gross gross mistake Final clip on this, and here was someone who I thought was speaking some sense. Although take it with a grain of salt the guy works for the Heritage Foundation so he's probably behind part of this law but he was on with Don Lemon which is double whammy because you've got a black guy who happens to be gay And you can so he his agenda is kind of all and he does get set straight a little bit on this It sounds like the same argument for loving versus Virginia which was decided years ago between You know people have two different races. What's the difference here?

1:45:03 Well, I disagree. I think race is entirely different. I was at the Civil Rights Division for the Department of Justice for seven years. I enforced our anti-discrimination laws. This is a passion of mine and this is entirely different. This is entirely about religious freedom. It's tailored very specifically to the wedding context... But religious freedom was also used in Loving vs Virginia as well? The Bible says it was against two people of different races marrying Yes, and race is different. This has nothing to do with race and in fact the words sexual orientation appear nowhere in this bill It allows people to dissent In a very small context Small businesses In the wedding service context Religious institutions Religious educational facilities Adoption facilities Its very focused Very tailored Very balanced There should be room for people of faith To express their beliefs And not be punished by the government Under the law religious organizations will be able to deny LGBT people marriage

1:45:58 adoption and foster care. So this is important because he is reading this as if he's reading the law, and that's how he stating it but he doesn't even know what really says its minor but it's important because this is how this works in this while we get distracted from was really going on. MBT people marriage adoption and foster care services fire or refuse to employ them and declined to rent or sell them property. It sounds like the same thing they did with black folks, how is this not discrimination? Well, first that's not what the bill says. The bill doesn't mention sexual orientation... It doesn't mention that but it does allow for LGBT people to be able to have sex. But the words matter! That is what the law means and its based on the words and the words say its focused on marriage. No but I think you're being disingenuous here because under the law religious organizations will be able to deny LGBT people marriage? Is that wrong?

1:46:59 No, okay. The clerks are actually required to provide marriage licenses and we're talking about marriage that's already handled Yeah, so that's what I'm hearing everywhere is oh, but won't be able to get married no you'll be able to get married But this the makers of this law the writers the pastors of this law are arrogant And then it really isn't extremely bigoted because you're saying our religious freedom We're codifying that something very specific about marriage very very very specific And you know, you don't have the right to do that. It's arrogant. There is a very subtle mixing of church and state here too which is another reason this thing would get thrown out because for example if your'e a cake maker I mean to be in business in one of these communities you have to get a business license Right! I don't know any place where it can go just open up a business without getting a business license You gotta get a business license, you got to file fictitious business names or stuff that you have to do

1:47:54 I mean, I suppose in some podunk town you just have people come into your house and you can make them a cake and they give you five bucks cash. But generally speaking when you do the business license, you agree to certain terms that are kind of part of the community and it is like you're supposed to serve people. If you're going to start a business that's gonna open up a restaurant, you can't make it somebody private club as a different kind of business. You can do that But then there's a rigmarole you got to go through. This is crazy, I think you're right this is just arrogant. This is the most arrogant stupid thing I've seen for a very long time and just wait until care comes that counts on American Islamic relations. You wait until they come. They haven't weighed in yet but they will they will we think this is a great idea well they probably want their own law of course they do yeah

1:48:48 Now that it's possible. Everybody who has got some issue, go move to Mississippi! I'm telling you... Everyone in Dearborn head to Mississippi. You can open a restaurant and don't have to serve anybody but fellow travelers So that was really my contribution is stop with the gay stuff already look at what's really going on Look how arrogant and dangerous this is from a religious perspective Look at that. I'm the first to defend church and Jesus and God, anybody wants to believe in whatever they want to believe in but it's not the only religion! And that's what this screams. This screams... Oh this is what it is? No no no no It doesn't belong in a law anywhere. Anywhere! That's so obvious Mississippi, what are you doing? And gay patrol stop it

1:49:42 Or please use your platform to bring up this other issue. That would be smart! Hey, you know... That's not gonna happen. Well, you know we there the gays listen to us too John. We had a few examples that uh You're in there okay? Yeah Let's talk about the meetup yeah New York City Sorry New York City New York City so we go to new york city I'm going to have a big meet-up and i had here's what oh well how do i want to get into being what male chimp but so we had a meetup in New York City I'm kind of glad and say i couldn't send the direct message to new yorkers it had to go out to everybody yeah i got it because i couldn't get this the selection to work. The selector! So okay, I sent out there...I'm glad I did

1:50:31 Because it start made the dinner start off with a huge positive vibe. Oh because I we are survived sparks of whole group of us and The creator says you are you John Devaraki general? And he's so he hands me this note, and he says happy birthday John Duke in Duchess of Japan oh wow So there was, so the Sparks guys think I'm somehow involved with the Duke and Duchess of Japan who put up a very expensive bottle of champagne at the table. Oh fantastic! They're like everyone was sucking you off all night long We pretty much had one waiter dedicated to our table oh my god The Duke and Duchess of Japan? I looked for the Champagne label, never seen this Champagne before it's some sort

1:51:22 of a Pinot Blanc to Pino. It was absolutely fantastic and it didn't have, it wasn't on the wine list I don't know what this is like some special champagne? Oh my goodness! I don't know what they paid for it but couldn't find out This needs to happen to me whenever I go to Popeyes I want that to happen to me too Glad to thank him profusely Yeah So we had this time so were going to be down at 8 to go to the bar and Sparks Bar's a good sized bar We had probably about 40 people show up Wonder what they thought you were I'm wondering too because at the end. They were just like bowing to me Say hello to the Duke and Duchess of Tokyo hi, I thought that the We're gonna get kicked out cuz we had filled the bar with capacity yet 40 50 people he said

1:52:10 The above 40 fan was has to go out a great meetup. So yeah, it was a great meeting but it was like you know my family was there It was actually be turned into pretty much of a New York style cocktail party Yes I could see that and so which was great because everyone's chatting with each other A lot of people were shy and they wouldn't mix which is kind of a shame Uh, and one person in particular which a lot of people would like to have talked to. And a lot of people apparently had bought tables around our table and they were you know uggling us I was told but i never noticed it. He's friends with the Dukadushis of Japan. But we brought just through the restaurant is the point And so they were happy to see us and so they weren't gonna throw us out of the bar because everyone was buying and drinking, having a great time. At what point did y'all put your eyes wide shut masks on? When did this happen? I can just see it. Took your clothes off

1:53:01 So, I want to thank a few people who contributed at the time. And also I want to mention Rod Adams was there. Ah! Sir Atomic Rod, excellent. Nick The Rat was there. I saw no photographic evidence of Nick The Rat being there He was there and everybody wanted to meet Nick The Rat. Nick thought you were drunk? I don't know about that but after my third cognac it was getting there and uh... the next around was there a francine and all of them for the hardwood down there where you know nice iceware there's a lot of our regulars their what it would be learning

1:53:37 Now, one of them dropped off a bottle of high and very nice bourbon. Oh nice! The problem is there was no card in there and I go thanks thanks and of course i couldn't remember anything because I was hammered. Hammered but that's not the reason it's because you just can't remember anything And so I don't know if it was Tanya who dropped off the bottle or if it was Rod Adams... Or who knows? I don't know! Somebody's gonna have to send me a note so I can thank him for the bottle of bourbon Meanwhile, there's a few people that need to be thankful. Do we need to play our jingle and go straight into everything? Or how do we do this? What you want to do? Well I was just going not doing that. We're just gonna do this separately then we can play the jingles with normal donations. These are higher. Perfect perfect For example Henry Biglin and Ying Liu were there. Henry is one of our knights. Yeah Sir Biglin 3333 so he'll be executive producer for this show Nice

1:54:31 We have a lesser donation, it's not that much lesser but it is lesser. From JD who does an infamous story on it and he has this nice little card he dropped off It was fun to get the cards by the way Oh JD! I know who JD is Yeah you know JD Here are some birthday kittens for your enjoyment along with a long overdue donation. Pardon the lack of the long hand as I haven't used it since 2005, the outstanding product known as Tee, best podcast in universe really helps keep me sane and the hard work you and Adam do is much appreciated happy birthday blah blah blah hope New York Street what we did find in New York? I got a nice card from Bill from Glenrock

1:55:10 And he, I believe added a bunch of... Glen Rock New Jersey. I'm sure Yeah 100 bucks from him and another card these are all mostly cards which is cool Any more gifts besides the libations? yeah i got a Stark Weather I believe sent gave us this evidence pack oh it was like an evidence pouch from some police department filled with some of his photos there was still blood on or something actually kind of cool You can use it as a clutch. Yes, actually that would be good He sent a card in and with the note which is... Note says we not as cute as a puppy but close to night anyway he's uh he's good for Simon Reed New York 12345 Thank you for that As I dig down through these notes and things this Mappy

1:56:11 Midlife crisis karma, please he has a Hundred dollars. I'll give him some karma at the end of the long donation segment now this one This is Ryan Merritt and who put sanity in his for his sir Sir Oh sir something a lot or solves lots or snarls a lot sir I don't know. I can't read it. But Ryan Merrow, the executive producer because he gave us $567 and 89 cents Wow! That was a big deal And we chatted with everybody there was one transgender producer came over and said she said at the end Thank you for using her proper pronoun She said

1:57:09 That the show has saved her. Oh And we had a number of people that came up with this these like how important the show it actually is To them I'm glad you witnessed this because this is This is what I was telling you when yeah, I said You should really need to get on the road do some meetups because it's so beautiful to hear people saying you know I really yeah It's odd Of course when someone says the show saved me But they mean it because they got some bit of their, it's the involuntary social network disorder. It's the propaganda people are very happy when someone else says oh maybe if you just look at it this way then you'll feel better about yourself cause its nagging you. Oh yeah but what was her specific uh where do we save her from?

1:57:52 I never really got that out of her. She just wanted to say thanks and she was very, uh, very serious about this. And she was one of the people that was sitting in one of the tables and somebody commented at all. You know, they didn't think she was part of the group. She wasn't mixing because these are like mixers a little bit. And you kind of have to get, I think a lot of people were uncomfortable, not many, but there are a lot of people who would say who are these strangers? Why am I here? kind of thing, even though this... Most people came away from this because there were enough people and it was lively. Very lively gathering They got to meet the people they wanted to meet or they've heard about and I think again the no agenda phenomenon making no-agenda friends Yes! And these people will meet each other again that's very typical It is very typical. It's nice You know, I got scolded actually a few times for not doing New York before

1:58:49 And you're down in New York, so what do you should do? Sorry. You know I got a new year, and you've been in New York forever for 8 years and just come to New York! Oh man but Nick the Rat wasn't not nice to you No no Nick didn't matter That's Nick's voice But that's...Nick is like... Nick has hammered up...I don't know what he was doing Nick is stone Dear John & Adam my husband Jerry introduced me to your podcast in 2014 during the... Dude a helicopter literally just buzzed my window I'm not kidding was probably about 30 feet away from the building a Robinson 44 Did he give you a peace sign? I was looking for the red dot honestly Chopper's heart, not really

1:59:39 Your podcast in 2014 during the missing Malaysian airline fiasco and have been listening religiously since living in New York City can be chaotic and messy, but your deconstruction of the news has allowed for a much needed respite during our long subway rides. She goes on... This is Monica and Jerry Out of some part. I'm thinking about this saved thing you know of course is an analogy there with the church which we're clearly not But what does the church use as their hook to get new people in and they say, you'll be saved or You know they always had baby Jesus Which is pretty cool? No, they got that they got a great a great dude fronting the whole business well, I am reminded of I'm reminded of

2:00:32 We had to make a person, the tech TV guy who was... If you ever said anything bad about Oprah Winfrey he'd just go off on ya. Because according to him Oprah has saved him! Now only thing I can... and he was a big... I was a wreck until Oprah straightened me out. Yeah that's like Richard Simmons had believers like that Now, I think what it is that some people are looking for a certain message that is something that they actually their subconscious needs or there have cognitive dissonance or they have something going on with them. That needs to be jarred loose. Jarred loose or righted just as you write the ship doesn't take that much sometimes just boom. Now they say listen to this show like a gyroscopic readjustment

2:01:18 And I think that's what a lot of these shows do if they're not taking themselves too seriously and they're actually trying to help people. And so, that could be an element. Got a card here from Grace one David... I can't read this of course. I'll be sending an email to remind you but Sir Mad Hatter will be celebrating his 42nd birthday on April 8th. You got to put him on the list. Okay hold on second He is not on there Sorry about my cursive, which is actually quite good. Been years since I've tried it and this is... She got the curfew down but she doesn't have her- Sir Mad Hatter when? Uh 8th April 8th And how old? Uh 42nd This is like d-d-dawn or something I can't read her-I can't read your thing. And uh let's see if she got um a bunch of cards

2:02:15 Amy Luca, Jamie Rose on his for Jamie's look at these cards Don't know it's not easy as another beer maker some sort. I know what this and this is not easy No, no it's not easy you did it You've done it a number of times yeah And here we got another This is a good one there's another executive producer Craig Lucca 333 33 and he Quick note and donation for your continued work to keep us all informed on what is getting going on or wrong with the world. John, thanks for inviting all of the listeners to Sparks I know my wife Dame Jamie was that maybe Dame Janie? That was the other note that could be Dame Janie. Yeah, Jamie. I was thrilled to make the trip into the city keep We're going to Big Smoke! I'm sorry i always get a kick killed making a trip to New York

2:03:10 It's a lot of things. I guess if you, yeah...I guess it could be a thrill This is Baron- Yeah this is Mad Hatter and that was Jamie That was the note from Jamie Thank yo for your courage Baron Mad Hatter Knight of the 5th column That's what that- Okay Got that straightened out Onward In summary? In summary? Couple more Oh couple more Yeah, couple more Dear Mr. Dvorak and Mr. Curry thank you for your tireless efforts Encloses $333.01 Ding For an executive producer credit, no sound effects or jingles are necessary. Thor Odal Sting! Thor says no jingles. And what is this? Okay we have... I like the name Thor We have a Job's Karma from David Liconti

2:04:04 Needed job karma, but make sure to put that here at the end of this whole thing or get it right at the end Of this segment David Leconte in Eatontown New Jersey gave us a nice $50 and that was cool. Now I have my I think my last card for No agenda show. An envelope inside of an envelope and inside the envelope is a check for $333.33 from Daniel J Franco in the Bronx. Nice! Came down from the Bronx, and he says... And then sent a nice cat card. The cat picture. Dear John happy 26th birthday. Got that right?

2:04:48 You woke up one morning and it's right there in your face. Enjoy your day, thank you for the... He's got this kind of a semi- It's like French longhand if you know what I mean. The invitation to attend the No Agenda meetup and for having it in New York City as well as the appropriate probabilities of being thrown out! He has a sales pitch. Throwing out, he says the possibility of being thrown out of an upscale New York City restaurant that was a big draw Although they didn't throw us out. They were very happy that we were there on Tuesday night We filled up the bar and and helped keep the restaurant going And these are a few of the people I want to thank all of them yeah, it came up and we chatted about kinds of things and I want to thank everyone for who appeared at this event and One of the fellows bought me a bunch of cognac and that was happy about that sure you work I didn't fall over no At least not when everyone's still there

2:05:46 We get back man. I gotta go back. I'm gonna go back and say excuse me I've good friends with mr.. John C. Dvorak you know good friends with the Duke and Duchess of Tokyo I'd like some of that boom is a great way we gave their table especially right in front of the state oh, man Oh, I've been to wind this up I've hacked my Amazon echo so I've renamed her book of knowledge Cool. Yeah, so we can say Book of Knowledge How old is John C Dvorak? John C Dvorak is 64 years old I'm gonna show my school by donating to No Agenda Imagine all the people who could do that Oh yeah that'd be fab On No Agenda It's handy I've done that because if we ever need to consult The Book Of Knowledge now it's much easier So for instance if I say Book Of Knowledge Spell Mississippi

2:06:47 Mississippi is spelled M-I S-S I-S S-I P-P-I That's kind of cool, right? It's very cool. Thank you Others will now die think you've just led the way yeah Everyone's gonna do this but he can use it for except the Wikipedia well we can use are all kinds of things Yeah You can say for instance Book of Knowledge how tall is Adam Curry Adam Curry's height is six feet in five inches 196 centimeters Thor yeah there you go pretty cool, so if we need it. We can use it

2:07:29 So we'll make sure to get a couple of job carmers in there and some just general carmers for everybody who showed up for that event. And we'll do some more of these. Got it! In fact, one of the producers says that he would like to coordinate the New York scene like we have in Detroit... We have a couple guys. The scene yeah? Yeah, so we can do these events and maybe be a little more organized than me just sending out random notes right But which is fine. It worked out, I think we got a lot of people and... We should have an app or something that when people come to meetups and they just type in their email address and their info so we build up a database that we can market! Yeah, sorry, we're not that slick are we? We have it was yeah it was definitely worth doing good 5TR4R from Columbus Indiana $100.01 and he did or she I don't know

2:08:20 Says, I'm a $4 donor although regularly contribute. I feel as though the value I've received greatly outweighs the value of return This is especially apparent when you deliver deconstructions like you did last Sunday And that's probably the Rachel Maddow Donald Trump Hillary Clinton Deconstruction. I don't know, we did about two or three... You did one that was just dynamite so this probably what she's talking about. Yeah, I think so. She, he or she? The he. There's gotta be a he who has a 5T4R. Robert Diggle in Brooklyn New York $100. Sir Herb Lamb in Sugar Hill Georgia 8140 That's the birthday call out. Charles Brochetti and Incheon Korea

2:09:03 8140. John Davis, Brentwood Tennessee $80.08. Jeffrey Wolf and Edmond Oklahoma. It's the boob donation. 8008. Oh yeah it is always the boob. Jeffrey Wolf and Edmond Oklahoma 7777 is no to love the show, but would like to call out chap the banker as a douchebag He listens but he never donates Banker banker Erwin of Rolick Froelich which means roll it frolic means happy or gay. Well? He's happy and gay Don't think he's gay I don't think he's gay nice ways probably not gay

2:09:54 7409 Amsterdam. Adam Peterson's New York City, 5959 Sir Ralph Nelson, Viscount Ralph Nelson in Aachen, Germany. What does he say here? 5555 With regards to show 812 I'm the viscount of neutral Morsnet and Germany but i find that the natural border between germain Austria is north of Bavaria so wait didn't we do this already they wanted to change No, oh okay. Oh I see so the barony of Bavaria in Austria can be assigned to any other worthy individual member of folks in my view this even doesn't change the definition of Germany too in the realm of extremely relevant stuff In my humble opinion The iPhone turns yellowish in the dark probably not because this makes the iPhone look better or because this makes girls look better while they're staring at their iPhones

2:10:48 That's a good point. Now that's an interesting theory. It's better lighting, yeah! That's a very good point. Yeah that blue light doesn't make you look good it makes you look ghoulish. This is... Good point thank you sir Ralph thank you for the support. The whole blue light thing is possibly bullcrap. Cinco de Cuadro yep Heather Reitmeyer in Green Bay, Wisconsin. She says happy birthday to my wonderful husband Rex he hit me in the mouth a couple years ago I'm donating for him as a birthday gift his birthday is on Friday April 8th donation of the new agenda show $50 and 68 cents Edward now the following people are 50 dollar donors we get run down really quickly here Edward Misurich in Memphis Tennessee 50 Alexander Sokovy sir

2:11:33 to you, MinnMosco $50. Beaumont Proudfoot in Holidays Point New South Wales Matthew Januszewski in Chicago once again he comes in a lot Adam Bethes probably Sir Matthew Adam Beck in Lost Wages Nevada Robert DeBruckner and Gilbert Arizona Dustin Smith in Salem don't inhale them Oregon Dustin Martin is his name Dustin Martin Stephen Lind in Cape Town, South Africa. That's one of my favorite cities is Cape Town. Oh nice It was really a nice place

2:12:10 I don't know what it's like. I haven't been there for a little while, but it was nice when I was there." Stephen Lee. Sir Jojo in Wooddale Illinois... Sir Jojo pointed something good out here he said that our stats on service men and women killed an action that the Civil War on the PDF, he looked at the PDF and he said that was only the Union forces didn't include the Confederacy so the Civil War did have a very very high count much higher than we reflected. Yeah, I heard that yeah okay but the numbers seem low to me but you had... But the point is well made what we were trying to get out of that. Yeah Paul Webb in Twickenham UK $50 Jeffrey... What's happening to him?

2:12:54 Oh, he says please see attached currency. I scraped overnight with my last donation last year but sent over another 50 today and promised some more to follow so he'll be knighted today perfect And he thanks us for the outstanding analysis of the EU Turkey deal Jeffrey Montagna in Phoenix Arizona Edgar Almagar I guess in Waxahachie Texas 50 Tim Abel in Bergfeld Berkshire UK Jonathan Meyer and Mayor Meyer in Zinnia, Ohio. And that concludes our group of well-wishers and confidants for the show. Yeah just a couple birthdays here we normally don't talk about anything below $50 mainly for reasons of anonymity but Sir Sam Wang came in with 4516 Christopher Bede from Indianapolis Chris Terhart Abbotsford

2:13:47 British Columbia, John Adams Stratford Connecticut anonymous Tainan City in Taiwan. A three day Johnny in Hicksville New York Brian Morakot Morachiti more mora kare and to come on a guy more than kind of more Rob Warren I Rob Warren and Sunderland Gitmo Nation East, Aaron Murphy in Rio Ranchero New Mexico. Robert Bruckner in Gilbert Arizona Doug Dodge in Camarillo California Brian Warden in Downs Illinois and Wesley Clark not the Wesley Clark but our Wesley Clark from Stanley North Carolina thank you all very much thanks for making John's birthday great everybody especially the meetup in New York I'm a little gel little jelly

2:14:33 You should be little jelly just a tad because it sounded like it was really a lot of fun It was actually a lot of fun and what I gave you since Jay Was there who now apparently according to everybody needs a nickname? J needs a nickname, and now she's right. Yeah cuz you got buzzkill jr.. You got Eric Schill There's nothing for Jay she seems a little miffed by this somebody pointed it out okay How about the princess oh Just to piss her off. The princess was there, that would piss her off I'm sure That's why we're gonna use it No she what i liked about having the whole family Mimi was there and Buzzkill jr and his wife but for Jay this is at least she got to experience a Manhattan

2:15:20 style cocktail party, which is slightly different than you get here on the West Coast. Oh yeah! It's a little more raucous and it has a little more booze flowing and uh... more talkative. And names dropping. Yeah it's beautiful. You come to these... all you have to do is watch Silicon Valley and watch some of the parties that they show there are just bunch people standing around nobody talking to each other They're too shy I admit I have started to watch the third season and didn't like at all But man, this is so recognizable. So down rounds of all this stuff everything bridge it's also recognizable every single bit of it is really funny but yeah they rent out yank at the stadium that was an AT&T Park nobody in it. Nobody in it bunch you guys standing around drinking stupid tap beer. So question though just to wrap up the New York visit do you think that any member of your family will now maybe listen to an episode of the show?

2:16:16 I really seriously doubt it. Jobs, jobs, jobs and jobs! Let's vote for jobs! So we do have one night in today.

2:16:58 Paul Webb, so if we can... You got your long blade? That sounded like it. That was my blade. Yeah I got it right here. No that's your blade okay. Paul Webb! Come on man! Step on up you didn't even know you would achieve knighthood It happens We see all the time with people who are on a $50 a month plans and is also highly appreciated And uh..I'm very very proud to welcome you to the table of knights and dames and I hear by pronounce the K thee Sir Paul Twickenham and for you of course we have Hookers and Blow, Rent Boys and Chardonnay, Cheap Wine & Chili Dogs, Raspberry Pies and Breakfast Burritos, Progressive Rock and Russian Imperial Stouts, Saki and Sushi, Root Beer and Pepperoni Pizza, Poppys and Taylor's Vintage Pork, Malt and Barley and Hops, Dulseggis and Dutch Dominatrix, Pornstars and Pot, Maker's Mark and Mushrooms, Liberians and Jagerbombs, Gerbilz and Ginger Ale, and of course Mutton and Mead. Hold on... Damn it!

2:17:53 I was not yet. I tried to make all is it the crud? It's the trees now is the trees That's always some trees. It's a tree sir Poland yeah pollen is right Okay, um I have a couple of things oh first of all a little correction a The White House has come back as they were under fire. You recall that there was blatant propaganda going on here to which we were all shocked when it edited out the term Islamist terrorists, Islamists terrorists from French President... I still think is one of them Wow well so they have now come out and they made a statement they made a statement

2:18:34 A technical issue with the audio during the recording... Oh! Glitch. Somehow you could find a clip, but they couldn't. A technical issue with the audio during the recording of President Hollande's remarks led to a brief drop in the audio recording of the English interpretation As soon as this was brought to our attention we posted an updated video online here with the complete audio which is consistent with the written transcript we released yesterday Very good. Well, let me get that and let me ask you again how did you get it? Since it was a glitch apparently was a major glitch How did you get the clip? I played the glitch clip! You played the other one when he played both Did I? I guess I did...I don't remember but I got it from sources

2:19:22 I can't disclose my sources. I protect our sources, it's our sources but anyway cheap low ass excuse oh it was a computer glitch why do people take this crap seriously anymore and something else you know now that I've been training ever since of you know ever since I've been in this place I've really been training myself to listen as much as I can It is very hard to do when when you got arms flying everywhere but the depression indicators. And I know you're always on lookout for this, and I wanted to throw one by you and see if maybe there's some depression indicators that are coming around... ...and I implore everybody to try and find these for the show. This really comes on the heels of Donald Trump's prediction that we're going to see a huge recession

2:20:17 I think it's interesting he did that. Yeah, actually i'll play the...I got a clip here hold on second That'd be kind of good Now where was it? Huh! Oh yeah here it is CNBC Donald Trump warns of an economic downturn In an interview with The Washington Post the billionaire businessman and GOP frontrunner predicts the US economy Is on the verge Of a very massive recession But economists say he's wrong. Some say while the stock market may be overvalued, that does not mean a recession is coming Trump has had a tough week on the campaign trail after struggling to articulate his views on abortion among other missteps The bottom line, economists question Trump's call Alright Well the one thing I know with Trump is he tends to say things in advance and they tend to be right

2:21:11 I don't know if he's ever done that with the economy, but when I heard that my ears perked up because I'm going shit. That's what Johnny says! Do you have any comment on that? I've always had this sense of this deconstruction I've done of the economic cycle which results in this eventual book is nothing new. I think a lot of people know about it and I think the whole Fed and I think Bernanke knew about it for sure and I think its very easy to make this prediction. So I have what i think is an indicator. I may be wrong but it's a trend and I've noticed it, and I'm thinking this is something...this is a callback in a somewhat modern or newer version. You ready? Yeah! Adult coloring books Okay now that you mention that both Jay the princess Yes Jay the princess that'll work Jay the princess Jay the princess and Mimi

2:22:06 We're doing these coloring books on the flight back and the flight over the fight over and a flight back mm-hmm And they got these shoot. They get first of all that this is a great business for the people that make these coloring pens Oh, they're almost out there sold out everywhere Yeah, you can't buy a color house are these pencils J has like this huge it must be 40 pairs There's a global global pencil shortage Well, they use the pens. The art pens and these coloring books are very elaborate I mean really it gives you...and it's a good way to kill time according to the two of them And if you search around which I did It is extremely good for people who are depressed If your depressed this is oh get an adult coloring book This is a throwback to needlepoint and samplers

2:22:54 Which people used to do back in the day. Hang them on the wall, uh-huh yeah! Yeah yeah I thank you very much Thank you They also had coloring books of beautiful women You gave me a gong hit from me I had not considered this and I was supposed to be looking for it And you were exposed to it no less? And I was exposed to it no less and I didn't put two and two together Dead on Did you get any on ya when you were exposed? I hope you douched I got some paint against my door Yeah, yeah and I'm seeing it every nice. Yeah, I'm seeing it everywhere clip of the day all there's no that's too bad But good because I thought man that looks really adult coloring books a needlepoint. Yeah damn yeah samplers Samplers you have my mom my mom had a sample on the wall well Jay's finished a couple these ages The princess they're beautiful mm-hmm They're very frameable

2:23:51 These adult coloring books are not a slouch color. It's good art that is black and white, the color it is really bright. I know! It's beautiful. My mom had a sampler on the wall and she had two of them. One was from my great-grandmother, I remember. Home sweet home? No... The road is never long to her friend's house That was one And the other one was... I felt bad for myself because I had no shoes until I met a man who had no feet Who had NO FEET Yeah exactly Yeah, then that's what I grew up with and life is not fair shut up and do your chores That was another sample. It was on my wall I think you nailed it More to be said and I yeah experience you're right at the two of them grinding away on these things in there very Yeah, I'm sure good for depression why not isn't that interesting?

2:24:47 Yeah, it's very interesting. I was just oblivious damn! I hate that. Hey the president said something very interesting which to me...I don't know why this didn't get any more play This nuclear summit he did a lot of talking at this nuclear summit boy I tell you i got lots of clips from that Which of course is including just all everyone was talking Just talking diary of the mouth The president pretty much agreed That we do drone strikes that kill civilians This has never been admitted has it? Has anyone ever... He's beating around the bush about it. I don't think he has actually said that straight up. I think there has been in the past legitimate criticism that the architecture, the legal architecture around to use of drone strikes or other kinetic strikes wasn't as precise as it should have been and there is no doubt that civilians were killed but shouldn't have been. I got it!

2:25:46 He just found out. Nice! He admitted it, come on man... Just found out? That's unbelievable. It's like oh my god what?! Oh my god we killed civilians I'm shocked I tell you! The other thing is going on what!? I'm shocked i tell ya how can this be how can this be? Doc. Oh um Uma Uba Abedin Uma Abedin And I have to just talk about Uma Abedin, married to Anthony Weiner. My theory has always been that she is Hillary Clinton's lover. That's why Hillary plucked her out of the intern pool and runs in the family. Not much of a theory? I'm sorry? It's not much of a theory but it's obviously true! Okay there you go

2:26:39 And Anthony Weiner was just a beard and he was promised... He was on the fast track. Showing his private parts to everybody would look... Yeah, well he was on the fast track but men are stupid at certain point all of blood drained out of his head and started sending me pics. Maybe if Uma had done him a favor once in awhile... Wow! Are you really saying this? Man okay. You don't think so? No it's not how it works I think Uma may be man-hating lesbian A man-hater? Yeah, I think so. It's possible it's possible anyway she did a podcast called call your girlfriend the call your girlfriend podcast and the premise of the podcast yeah it's called call your girlfriend and the premise of the podcast is the kind of stuff you call up until your girlfriend oh my god girlfriend you won't believe what happened to me I think that's it while you're looking into the yellow light of your iPhone

2:27:37 So she went on there, and she talked about how the first time she met Hillary Clinton. And first of all her cadence you'll hear is very Clintonesque She's completely infected Oh yeah that's yeah You hear this at all that all the staff All the women on the staff surrounding Hillary and a lot of them in the Obama White House have this cadence That's very... Yeah It's not even the same sorority No But I thought this was an interesting bit to listen to and for you know it's fun to play other Podcasts from time the time can you tell us about the first time that you met Hillary Clinton like what is it? Like just meeting this. You know like a iconic figure like oh my well Do you think John was like me in this?

2:28:22 It was a thrill. Iconic figure. My blood. Meeting this, you know like iconic figure like in politics. Politics! When President Clinton had his re-election A few of us interns went to Little Rock and that was so that was in November obviously Doesn't she almost sound like Chelsea if you just? Chelsea little fat little faster than Chelsea speaks maybe speaks quite a bit like Chelsea. Yeah November, obviously. And I remember being at the rally in Little Rock and it was election night and obviously he was re-elected and I remember being on the rope line and there are thousands of people with a whole bunch of my friends...and you know I had met her before like i said in this photo for 30 seconds they come out and crowd's electric

2:29:12 I know it's a you only know these things that happen in your life they just stick that she walked by and she shook my hand and our eyes connected, and I just remember having this moment where I thought wow You know this is amazing. And I just It just inspired me and and uh you know III still remember the look on her face And it's funny, and she would probably be so annoyed that I say this but I remember thinking oh She's so beautiful, and she's so little You know it's sort of because you don't you look people are different on TV. I just thought wow And I had such a fangirl moment, and I was just giving her the middle finger on her palm Wow she's so beautiful our eyes locked Our eyes locked and then all of a sudden I thought wow she's so tiny and beautiful

2:30:07 Had a fangirl moment hmm, okay fine Wow Borderline clip of the day. I'll take that Sorry wrong one I meant this one to the gate to the gate to the climate game There we go. We got two clips in the climate gate for you, everybody! The first one comes from a little sesh with our White House science advisor—you know who that is—John Podesta One of the very same people who warned us for global cooling in the 70s Documents articles prove it He's all-in on global warming and climate change now Of course And along for the ride is Gina McCarthy

2:30:57 You still working there? Yeah, McCathy's still working there. He should have been fired after the Flint Michigan... Yeah I agree but she's there she's the head of the Environmental Protection Agency talking about well really it's really bad John it's really really bad The last one that that I would mention that is very striking in this report is heat related illness and death The report projects that under middle of the road emissions scenarios, we can see from thousands to tens of thousands additional heat-related deaths in the United States each summer. And then the numbers are really very striking and it comes from the fact

2:31:40 that modest increases in average temperature are associated with large increases at the tails of the distribution. And that means big increases in extreme heat events, extremely hot days and heat waves which mean five or more extremely hot days in a row In some parts of the world, when you look more broadly at this question you see the likelihood that in the hottest times of year it will be simply physiologically impossible to work outdoors. That means agriculture, that means construction people who try to work outdoors

2:32:17 will basically be unable to control their body temperature and will die. You might die! This is a really, really big deal and it's going to be a big deal in the hottest parts of the United States as well as in the Middle East, in South Asia and other places. We're all gonna die! Yeah nice Because it's gonna get just a little bit hotter. You know everyone's gonna die oh you work in construction Cook you work in construction, you're gonna Die he's gonna die But that's not quite as nutty is Bill Nye the science guy Who knows we're all gonna die if we don't stop global warming where was he? He was on

2:32:59 Can't remember where this was from but it was worth listening to. They're in denial, they're just adamant they don't see the connection between carbon dioxide methane and the world getting warmer They ignore all the data so it's very troubling you guys And it's really the conservatives have gotten funded by the fossil fuel industry and there's been this You know that Pete there's big concern that the number of people in the voting populace is not very high with respect to climate change. They haven't heard of it, they don't remember it that they've set aside in their minds and thats because the success of these deniers who have worked so hard funded almost entirely by fossil fuel industry. While you're out there dont be surprised if after conservatives or republicans pick somebody this person goes well Ive been thinking about it and climate change is a big issue

2:33:53 Because I don't think they can quite get enough day. I don't think the party can quite get enough votes without Millennials Climate denial is almost entirely generational you only now and then do you meet a young person? Nobody your age is a climate denier very fast, so it's all people Not true no of course It's not true ass white the guys douche And he's saying that the conservatives... And then he starts off with a lie which is, oh any climate denier is funded by the fossil fuel industry. Oh yes all of them. No every single one! But he says conservatives... Where's our money? He says wait until they need the millennials and then switch positions on climate change yeah okay no red book for you Nye The Idiot That's not how it's gonna work Doom Kopf No no no no no no no Yeah okay

2:34:50 What else you got, Jean-Claude? I got a couple things here. Let's see what we got Um...I want to do Well let's play the ISO and get that out of the way so he can use it later in the show I hope Okay, the ISO Be aware of your surrounding at all times Good one! Now uh.. I gotta hear Hillary they surrounded I'm sorry yeah They took a whole um They took it and they've got a speech from Hillary talking to the AFL-CIO. And here she is, I have her with Hilary on Bernie and then I have her also as John Dickerson who's CBS guy because he sounds just... Which one do you want? Let's go with Hillary on Bernie this is all the memes wrapped up into one as to why that she does what she's going after with Bernie this is it!

2:35:41 Some of his ideas just won't work because the numbers don't add up. Others won't even pass Congress or they rely on Republican governors suddenly having a conversion experience and becoming progressives Well in a number of important areas he doesn't have a plan at all That's it all summarized so let's see how John would put it I am concerned that some of his ideas just won't work because the numbers don't add up. Others won't even pass Congress or they rely on Republican governors suddenly having a conversion experience and becoming progressives Well, in a number of important areas he doesn't have a plan at all Okay it's-I think you've played it out now No! Yeah yeah

2:36:36 You gotta do more production there, man. More production not just slowing it down you got to do more. I keep them slow. I think he was short. Until he mentions us on the Face The Nation show... I'm gonna continue to do this. Okay Let me see. Oh, I have... Go ahead. I got an interesting little double clip. This both happened one after the other on ABC News to anti-air travel and I don't know what's going on. I always find it suspicious when they do an anti air travel story in the first one actually both of these are like so inane why are they doing this as national news? I don't know. This first one is the Hawaii turnaround

2:37:16 Next this evening to a passenger jet suddenly turning around during a flight from Hawaii to San Francisco because of concerns over fuel halfway across the Pacific Ocean. Here's ABC's David Curley This United 777 forced to return to Honolulu For the 264 passengers on board, it was a four-hour flight that ended right where it started. The flight took off for San Francisco Sunday but about two hours out the pilots realize they're in a condition called overburn using more fuel than expected so they decide to turn around blame the weatherman they tell the passengers

2:38:02 And now we have all the stronger headwinds. We do know to a great extent what those winds are going to be, but that is a long stretch of water and there's no weather stations out there. Airlines don't like to top off the tanks. The extra weight reduces efficiency but there are specific requirements on how much reserve fuel has to be in those tanks when a jet lands. A turnaround like this David is very rare. Is this really national news? Is it? I'm asking you, do you think this is national news. No i don't think it's national news. First of all as an airman I've never encountered the term overburn so... It's a very suspicious story that it exists the next one which ran right afterwards was like a one-two punch against the airlines with this story which was definitely not national news but

2:39:00 A couple of things, there's production aspects to the first one. They had the guys on the... They never even had that as you notice because we play those all the time Generally speaking they never do that on national news If you remember when they made the Ecuadorian plane or whatever it was The Cuban flight go down and land somewhere Now here is a second which is another with crazy videos Oh hold on a second Crazy video? I don't see anything with crazy. It says air travel another weird... Oh, another weird stuff. Yes. No, i'm just saying this is a crazy video. My mistake. And also this evening new images of that American Airlines pilot arrested for being under the influence these new surveillance images obtained by ABC News from the Detroit Metropolitan Airport showing him arriving at the airport then going through security

2:39:50 Later we see him under arrest just before his flight was to take off being escorted away in handcuffs authorities say he failed two breathalyzer tests And I show the guy walking into the airport fine, he's not staggering or falling over like a comic drunk Walking in and then they still show another video of him walking and then they show a video of him walking out with handcuffs on What is the point of this story? Well, there's a correlation between the two is automated flight without pilots because clearly they are not managing the aircraft properly if they overburned so much that they lost an hour of fuel. Which is critical for a whole bunch of reasons I'm going to look into that story. I want to understand overburdening and it implies you burn too much but how do you do that? You know, you burn more than you expect your going into a headwind or something next thing you know your burning and burning

2:40:45 Yeah, okay. I just found both these stories to be a little weird that they way they were presented and the way they appeared Well stay on it John stay on it. I'm not staying on nothing Hey the president for as much crap as I give him for sure He said something really good the other day too a bunch of Millennials no less I've heard some college campuses where They don't want to have a guest speaker who You know is too conservative or they don't want to read a book if it has language that is offensive to African-Americans, or somehow sends a demeaning signal towards women. And I gotta tell you, I don't agree with that either. You know?

2:41:38 You, when you become students at colleges have to be coddled and protected from different points of view. Anybody who comes to speak to you and you disagree with them? You should have an argument with them! But you shouldn't silence them by saying that you can't come because I'm too sensitive to hear what you had to say That's not the way we learn either Now What i noticed about this clip Was there was no laughing, no cheering. Just silence I think they were flabbergasted What? We were doing it for you Obama You've been giving us signals to do this for you and now your scolding us Only thing i can think of And then grumbling after the event was over saying under your breath asshole Thanks Obama

2:42:41 I'm calling it man, but it's time to go okay. I'm good Okay Because I got a couple things that I got a little in the show ditties to roll out make sure we get all that So thank you all very much for your courage and your passion love and light tomorrow haggard and That's all I do now when someone dies. I just say love and light, I don't even say for who. Just said... Love and light. Oh very nice! Very nice? And uh.. For me? I dunno what i'm doing. We always try to do what we're doing. Ah it's-I could be doing worse

2:43:31 Thank you for your support. Remember us at Dvorak dot org slash NA for our show coming up on Sunday that will be episode 815 until then, coming to you from FEMA region 6 in the skyscraper The Crackpot Condo in downtown Austin Tejas FEMA Region Six In the morning everybody I'm Adam Curry and from Northern Silicon Valley where the weather's a little more to my liking I'm John C. Dvorak We'll return on Sunday with more media deconstruction right here On NO Agenda Adios Mofos! Flying over Afghanistan, or maybe it was Pakistan I promised myself to aim myself at every woman child and man That was on my list. I don't care if i missed I'm remote-controlled. I do what I'm told by someone at a computer

2:44:47 Be aware of your surroundings at all times. Diversity is now in some parts of Europe seen as a threat. As a threat. Diversity comes with challenges, but diversity is humanity's destiny

2:45:52 There is not going to be even in the remotest places of this planet a nation that will not See diversity in its future. That's where humanity is heading those politicians trying to sell their electorate Society that is exclusively composed people from one culture are trying to portray a future based on the past that never existed. Therefore, that future will never be... Diversity or war? Diversity or die? Diversity or die? Diversity or war? Diversity or die? Diversity or war?

2:46:53 or die. We'll be diverse, like all other parts of the world we will be diverse The only question is how do we deal with that diversity? Destiny... destiny... destiny... My answer to that is by ensuring that we determine them and not giving up our values to refute bring us down as a society. Destiny... destiny... War... Diversity

2:47:58 We don't get this right. I truly believe we will not remain the Europe we've built. Europe will not remain a place of peace and freedom for very long,

2:48:46 Europe will be diverse. Destiny, destiny, destiny, destiny... Destiny And you will all surrender to them! You pigs in human clothing!! Have you done any of that bug protein powder? Yes, I have. Have you done the cricket stuff that Tim Ferriss is into? Mm-hmm Do you like that? Um...I like bugs. Okay so what do we do with a spreadsheet? I'm gonna send it over to Eric and maybe he can fix it or not fix it. I don't know but it's probably best if we just take this guy and dump him on the ground. I call people non disabled because he has issues looking at their left eye. He looks like a fucking non disabled guy doing his spreadsheet. Like when you're doing your spreadsheet

2:50:02 So what do we do with the spreadsheet? Amen fist bump adios mofo The best podcast in the universe Dvorak.org slash N A