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00:00 Hey man, I'm hearing a ringing sound. Balancing privacy against privacy and broadcasting live from the capital of the drone star state here in FEMA region 6, In The Morning everybody. I'm Adam Curry And from northern Silicon Valley where the Zephyr went by we're running late i'm John C Devorah It's crackpotting buzzkill! All that extra time to prepare your opening and that's what we get. You know I always choke the opening. You are a choker! You're a choker man, you're a choker. Choke artist. Yeah big time. Back in the crackpot condo here on The Skyscraper in downtown Austin after our little jaunt to Fayetteville. Hell yes Sometimes known as Fayette Chill or Fayette Nam. Fayette Now?

01:04 Fayette and Nam. Yeah, why is a bunch of Vietnamese there? No it's because of the outstanding quality of the weed The weed yeah oh yeah Fayetteville weed is... Why don't they legalize in that state then They should man That stuff made me go cross-eyed I thought you stopped using that stuff What are you talking about? Now he denies it You all know everyone who listens to this show I stopped a long time ago yeah I stopped and then sometimes If someone says, hey you gotta try this from Arkansas. This is research for the show Josh! Research. It's local material. It's research. Well they would that's actually a hemp growing area. Yeah. There was uh who was it? A dude named Ben. A stoned dude named Ben. He said hey you tried that I said hold on. I'm going cross-eyed this stuff is good. Going cross eyed... Uh huh

02:06 Stopping at Van Buren. Yes, we did We stopped in Van Buren on the way home and you know I'll tell you what it was Van Buren is it reminds me of Marfa But only there's much more of it and there's actual people walking around this seems to be like a big place It seems to be life beautiful very could very quaint very cute We didn't stay a super long time but we did go And that was a long drive back drove back in one go and my my take on it And it is big and people live there, it's like a normal town. But my take on it is that it's kind of sad because this beautiful little 1880 Victorian town that's in perfect condition has been kept up... Well the town center is the historic town center. That's the part I'm mostly talking about. Yeah they built the town around here It's like The Bank, but it's not a bank

03:03 No, it was like this shop is not that anymore. So you know Cooper now It's a flower shop and everything was whatever it was is not that there's no longer what it is Yeah And it's kind of pathetic in that regard. It's like oh I don't know I guess I'm expecting Knott's Berry Farm or somewhere at least they at least a couple of places They try to keep business very far now mystic seaport So I had to stay at the local, uh...I never stayed there. There's a local RV park on I-35 four minutes from downtown or four miles from downtown i should say. Downtown what? Austin because we were back so late I couldn't you know we drove it all in one go about eight nine hours. Because Tina had work on Tuesday and yeah so I couldn't take her back to the storage place because they were closed this is the RV park that famously Matthew McConaughey stayed at

03:59 For months when he was filming something in Austin or whatever within an airstream coincidentally. It was nice What's the name of it? I forget that's okay doesn't need to plug we don't get paid no No, if in fact the I got in like I know 10 o'clock or something then you pick up your little packet because no one's there that just has a Card Daniel key card to get in and sometimes a passcode for the gate And then said oh We won't have any any cable because apparently time Warner is is now encrypting all of their what used to be kind of free usable cable and they're not even selling boxes to these outfits. All the RV parks are like, holy crap we can't offer cable anymore which is a problem yeah

04:45 Yeah, Time Warner doesn't want people doing that anymore I guess. Even when they offer to pay for extra cable boxes? No, they won't do it They won't sell them Why?! I don't know! I don't know the rationale Douchebags! Play the douchebag theme! Yeah, I will. DOUCHEBAG! I also noticed a huge design flaw once again in The American Made Airstream trailer Okay So you have a heating system, heating and cooling. And in the bathroom which is kind of nice there is an outlet you know one of those uh you know like a grate? And when the furnace or if you have the HVAC on that'd be nice... You're sitting on the toilet you know- HVAC? Hvac isn't what it is What is it? Uh no why am I saying HVAC Isn't this what is the AC? Isn't that called HVAC? Heating something A.C.?

05:36 It's a unit that can heat or cool. Okay, an air conditioner and which is really nice when you're doing some sitting down business in the Airstream in the back there but when you're standing up this is a design flaw as a guy The grate is higher than the toilet seat itself so you have a crosswind of about five knots Oh, and it blows the pee all over the place? In the dark. It is an obstacle that needs to be reckoned with. Next time you'll know better than this. You should sit like a girl! Yes we should... And then I got a call um yeah what was it that was uh Wednesday morning remember the crisis management guy from DC who I met awhile ago who's friends with Gary Johnson

06:28 Yeah. So he called, he said hey I'm in Austin let's have a coffee to update you on stuff then and i think really you know he's crisis management so these guys they want books or they want something to be able to tout their skills with so he'd written a piece for Huffington Post about why he thought Trump was you know, so successful. And that's I guess that's kind of what he wanted to tell me because I didn't quite understand what he was saying about that until I went back and read his article but he says it's because our expectations are so low And that's why we, you know with Trump the expectations are low. You don't expect him to speak politely. There are so many things you don't expect and it is very much like his analogy was the difference between Toyota with their so-called stuck accelerators, we all remember that bogative scam

07:21 As well compared to General Motors. Lots of people were dying in the General Motors cars and with Toyota, the impact was much bigger from a crisis management perspective because people have a high expectation of quality that Toyota brings. Yes! Interesting theory I liked it but more importantly you had a couple of inside ditties for me First of all from the Gary Johnson camp, they are looking at what's going on between the Republicans and the Democrats as a possible opportunity for a third-party play which I'm skeptical of. And I said hey... Well it has happened once before That was Ross Perot wasn't it? No, I'm talking about successful 1856

08:06 So, it's overdue. Who was 1856? That's when the Republican Party first formed and then in 1860 within four years they had a President Lincoln. Ah okay And before that it was the Democrats and the Whigs Right Well um so there is that thinking in the Gary Johnson camp of course when Gary Johnson is ready you know if we want to interview him no problem We can get anything we want which might be interesting I might interview him Yeah do a sighting Just play some pieces on this show package it. And then we can package it for one of those specials." He said, of course you know that in reality the president doesn't actually run anything. It's a lobbyist this was him speaking. It's a lobbyist which he has won so...and then let me see had oh so he is talking about... At least he is honest Oh! He is very honest guy

08:56 And he was talking about the Trump campaign. He knows a lot of the consultants who were there early on, he said they all quit or were fired and no one could deal with him because Trump is running the entire show himself. All the ideas, all the strategies is all him. He won't listen to consultants. He disagrees with them doesn't like them and then eventually gets rid of them which is something that I always question you know? Is this just him does have some... he must have some advisors but apparently very very few other than people who already advise him in his company already Yeah, he's winging it. Winging it? Exactly! That what makes it interesting. John Kasich... I have to retell a story then. Okay. I said this story before and I'll tell the story again in one or two years. I'm watching television after Walter Mondale was defeated This is what year? Well you have to look up Walter Mondale when he ran for president

09:52 It was a while ago in the 80s maybe. I think 80's, yeah And he lost and i thought it was stiff and he comes on his under Carson show The guy is a laugh riot He's doing like Rubio stand up It's like he's funny, he's got a smile on his face. He's affable. He's got a good personality and from that moment on I've always realized that these consultants are the ones who get in there... No don't do that! Don't do this! Don't do that! Don't do this! Don't do all of them. They're the one to show that. We had the same thing happen at PC Magazine where we had a bunch of consultants coming in and going, oh no people don't want to hear it. Oh that's like radio station consultants they always come in hey man don't bank announce that song yeah you got do a little more inflection on WNBC I mean that is going on today still Yeah these consultants are full of crap And in general Well if you can't do teach No offense for the consultants who listen to this show You know what were talking about Already You know what were talking about What were talking about So Kasich

10:51 Then so he knows Kasich. He's a, this guy is a Washington insider. He's really good source of dirt that says... Talk to him more Yeah well we talk. He only came out to drop a few bombs on you So you'd put them on the show so he could leverage it Well yeah that's the deal You know promote his article and then we get some shit from him This is really good The article will be in the show notes Kasich, he says he has dealt with this guy In the past He says, really nice guy on TV. Total asshole in real life! You know it's funny you get that impression... I get that impression Well then you nailed it! This boy sticks his mouth well into the... Are you serious man? This guy is no total a-hole A to the hole Yeah That wouldn't surprise me I think a lot of politicians are that way Now Let me look at Nixon I mean he would seem like an a-hole but when you heard the tapes holy mackerel It was a double a-hole

11:48 Cussing all the time, couldn't get dirty and foul-mouthed jerk. Unbelievable." And so I said well you know who else is an a-hole? Elon Musk! I'm just throwing stuff out trying to keep the conversation going he says oh Elon! He says yeah i covered him then SpaceX as an analyst for awhile So you know how it works. Yeah, all the subsidies and all that." And he's not at all enamored with Elon as the great savior. He said something else. He said John McCain is his...He can barely speak because I'm quoting okay? John McCain can barely speak because he has Elon's dick so far down his throat now like what are you talking about?! I never knew this! Yes! He is..because if you go back and look at what McCain says about Russia

12:39 He has had a number of, you know, sessions where he's talking about the Russian rocket engines that the US still has to use because we don't have our own production. And apparently he is all in because...of course, he'll be retiring soon and he'll be on the board of SpaceX or some other position. He's all in on trying to get Elon and SpaceX to provide all rocket engines for all U.S space travel. So that way it's anti-Russian? Yes, but let's put an embargo on the Russians so we don't have to so he can't buy their engines anymore And so he love these guys even have any of the United States is interested in mind at all. Well, you know I'm James the worst and I was surprised Oh, yeah You've no idea this guy's always trying to get SpaceX and he's always trying to do stuff for him Well, and you know what they think they're a match made in heaven perfect Yeah

13:40 Exactly. So I didn't get to see the Academy Awards, only a little bit because of just... Oh! Yeah well we were late and saw some... so I have no deconstruction, I don't care it's already no one cares anymore Well I didn't get any clips But you can tell us? I can tell you a couple things One is that it wasn't as good as last year It also had lower ratings, apparently. It had really low ratings and there's a number... And I wonder why? Because I watched it. It's always a decent show. I will say this that last year's set

14:17 was spectacular and I think it won a couple of Emmys for some of the stuff that this year's was kind of dull by comparison. The set was okay, but it wasn't like last year which is fantastic. But they...I don't know, I think the ratings may have dropped down because they because what maybe people to kinda tune in but I don't know that you should start this show. I think Chris Rock who I thinks hilarious? I don't think you want to start a show like berating the audience for being a bunch of racists. Whites, whites and whites for being white and racist I think what i saw is it just kept on going It wasn't like you know some he was pretty funny but he never wrapped it up in one big statement that we could all take home and say thank you Chris Rock You've healed America That was of course some of the expectation instead what I saw is that the jokes just kept on coming back And I think we bailed after 45 minutes

15:14 The quality of the stream was no good that we were watching. It was just I don't know it's annoying yeah, well you didn't miss much I mean I can't think of any of the funny moments where somebody comes up and wins an award at all And they did this new thing which I actually was the one thing I was impressed with even though nobody seemed to care Which I was a little baffled by the show ended on time and in fact it ended Way on time so they could do a full credit roll. Oh at normal speed They didn't have to yes Speed it up push it into the corner They ended on time they did the whole credit role which I think has been Missing because they need that credit that people have put on this show It's a very good live show

16:08 And this was because what they did, was this little trick. The person, as soon as they won that except for the big winners because they didn't prepare for them. So they get to which I think was good too because in the olden days, the early winners were for set design and stuff would come out and ramble on take forever by the end of the show. The guy who wins best actor gets two minutes and then they play him off or minute or 40 seconds. So what they did was it had the winner would like to thank and then they ran it as a crawler And so they ran these, you know... Of course if they're gonna do that you add everybody and their sister on there. My mother my brother my... and they have all their names and they're shooting across the bottom as a guy saying I'd like to thank The Studios or my... in the meanwhile at the bottom is all this i'd like to thanks going by it all these names

17:01 I thought that was genius. I didn't like it at first and everyone said, what is this? But after i saw that the show ended on time, I realized that's been a big delay who needs to know that somebody who won best supporting actress has to thank her agent and her lawyers, and all this other stuff. Nobody cares! So they just ran it as a crawl. I thought looking back on it absolute genius. It feels like you're little too involved in the show there John Well, we recorded it so we'll watch it maybe yeah. No you don't need to watch this okay We won't be watching it. Don't watch it Maybe a way just to get into today's news is show just a little a way to get into today's news Oh wait back up

17:48 I'm pretty sure that the Oscars would have been tanked in the ratings had they not done all this black-white racism promotion. That's what i'm thinking, I believe that people don't care anymore about the show maybe they even overdid it? They were so tired of it you know? I dunno...I mean uh.. I could live without the Oscars Yeah! I think I could handle it So far I am doing okay The one I liked was the Independent Spirit Awards. Those are better Okay, but to ease us into today's news that I have just broadcast But Mitt Romney came out to speak about the Republican Party. I guess he's one of the elites I'm always wondering who are these? Who is the base who are these elites that everyone talks about the you know The top echelon who are these guys have to be in there he who else

18:46 You know there's not a lot of names being I think if you the senators So it's a bunch of a-holes rant rants rinse once and he's just a figurehead previs. He's just like dude He's not an elite is just uh he holds the talking stick He holds the talking stick. Here, you can talk now... You can do this... Anyway so Romney came out and while we were setting up getting ready for the show I was taping it so i had the last two minutes which are kind of his wrap-up of talking about Donald Trump and the general idea is he is asking everyone if you're in Ohio vote for Kasich. If Kasich? Kasich? What is it? Kasich? Kasich? I've heard it pronounced Kaesitch and Kasic. We won't have to remember for long because he'll be gone. No

19:31 If you're in Florida vote for Rubio if you're in Texas vote for Cruz, of course everyone already did that But the idea is to block Trump as much as possible. That's that is the grand strategy of the Grand Old Party And here's his wrap-up. Yeah In the past our presidents have channeled that anger and forged it into resolve Into endurance and high purpose and into the will to defeat the enemies of freedom Our anger was transformed into energy directed for good. Oh, a directed energy weapon! Mr Trump is directing our anger for less than noble purposes. He creates scapegoats and Muslims and Mexican immigrants. He calls for the use of torture Yeah... He calls for killing the innocent children and family members of terrorists Sounds so far like he's on par with Obama sounds about the same. He cheers assaults on protesters

20:28 He applauds the prospect of twisting the Constitution to limit First Amendment freedom of the press. This is... I love when he, so this is a meme there's a lot of memes anything you know The Hitler thing as one but now it's all he wants to abolish the first amendment for libel laws Yeah Come on This is the very brand of anger that has led other nations into the abyss. Oh, we have that word again! What uh... what nations? I'm sure he means Nazi Germany It has to be that. Here's what i know. And then it goes blank Donald Trump is a phony A fraud His promises are as worthless As a degree from Trump University Nice Good one

21:20 Where's that screamer? Man, this is a mistake. I'm just realizing they've made a huge mistake They never should have let this go like that They should have not done this live or at least done some kind of tape delay And they should have you know put in the Rubio screamer here's how I do it Sorry I Scream your scream oh, that's probably good idea Have Remy say something and throw the screamer in. Yeah, okay here we go this will be worth all the effort Let's back it up a little bit where is he? Here we go I'll keep it ready for the next one He's playing the members of the American public for suckers. He gets to free ride with the White House And all we get us allows he had His domestic policies would lead to recession

22:32 His foreign policies would make America and the world less safe. He has neither the temperament nor the judgment to be president, and his personal qualities would mean that America would cease to be a shining city on a hill." I'm convinced America has greatness ahead! And this is a time for choosing God bless us to choose a nominee who will make that vision a reality Thank you, and god bless you all Alright so weak...weak Well, it was one of the... you know what? I'm listening to it and it ran. I didn't catch it because it ran this morning which I thought was going to be this afternoon but okay fine screw me! Umm..I think is one of these deals where it's like Romney watching this thing go on and then he sees Trump and Cruz or not Trump but Rubio and Cruz

23:27 Ruby's doing is get to the point where it's such a stand-up comedy act that it was mocked as such by Colbert Yeah, oh you have a clip of that. No I don't because it was a visual thing well be he We got to hear all these gags and then cuts the Colbert holding the mic out and saying make sure to tip your waitress Well, if we were advising... Wait. Anyway let me finish. Romney has been watching these guys and he says these guys why don't they just make a statement? Let me show them how to do it! Right And he books the time Here's the way you should do it and then does this piece of the way he thinks that should be done which is you blast the hell out of the guy on some higher from some higher ground which is what kind of he's trying to do there

24:12 It's too late, too little too late. I mean these guys now they're just making fools of themselves. And Rubio we would have advised him differently first of all but i think by now it is time that the mainstream media... Now that we have two video clips, they ask Rubio what he's popping. Now we have another clip of him popping a pill and it's so obvious it's embarrassing... It's almost you know like he pops this pill in his mouth the way we used to sneak smoke or if our parents happen to be driving by kind your hand covering the cigarette What is he popping?

24:50 Is it just a breath mint? Why doesn't he need a breath mint when he's talking? Breath man was little tic-tac box. Yeah, no He has a whole bunch of whatever is in his pocket you can see him running around none in a Pez dispenser Anyway, so yeah I think is either out It's got to be as I'm sure it's Adderall because its I'm pretty sure but someone should ask him at this point. I think so too, what are you taking there? Why are you doing stand-up comedy all of a sudden if you take a couple these pills? All day yeah exactly

25:27 All day yesterday, they keep showing the loop of Christie behind Donald Trump and like they're making all this was so funny. Christie's thinking what am I doing here booze? But if you're going to do that then you should at least ask what is Rubio popping but that's not taking place a nice to see Charlie Rose call Rubio out on this Con artists mean that Rubio's and he hasn't it's all the ruby I was talking about is Trump as a con artist trump is a con trumpet because a car trump is a Connor and this what? I felt was a The way Charlie Rose even how he pronounces con artished. He called him out in Rubio failed But Donald Trump has had a big night And many will say that when you call him a con artist You are criticizing that like that a con artist

26:16 Con-artist. By ConAgra, con artist. Yes Lady Gaga. You are criticizing the people who are voting for him? Well he's a con artist I don't deny that there are some people that have been taken by his message but look what happened in Virginia and virtually every state tonight Donald Trump did not sweep he lost in Oklahoma we were right in the mix We're performing very well in Arkansas as well Virginia's I point. I love how Rubio is always talking about we we we we never eyes always We get out he was 15 points ahead of me And then we started informing people who he truly is This man has a world-class con artist and he is conning people into believing that he fights for the little guy This is a guy that defrauded people in Trump University, and he's doing now to voters What sounds like some talking points to me? It sounds like what Romney just said did to the people that signed up for that school

27:02 And that's why if you want to stop Donald Trump I am the only candidate that not can unite the party But I can grow it and I got party favors, and and that's why I ask you to go on our website Marco Rubio calm and join our team meet me on the dark web despite all that you have Campaigned. You are 20 points behind in your home state of Florida with only two weeks to close That's one now Well, first of all that's just one poll or a couple. Nah! We know that's not true. It was we Rubio I'm confident of it especially after tonight but we took in the state of Virginia and five days we took a 15 or 20 point lead Donald Trump had and basically narrowed it to nothing Okay well Mr. Rubio I would advise you to talk about something else I don't know...I kind of like his comedy Yeah but when he

27:57 But when he did the Donald Trump small hands joke, I think he pushed it. Yeah that was... this stuff is not being written by him No that was his own punchline His timing was once again perfect You know what they say about people with small hands Everyone's laughing They can't be trusted It's a good punch line its an old joke Very well done He's also..I think he's also being coached Oh hell yeah! I've never seen him do this kind of material before Here here's what you say and here's your pill And here's you give it pause. What was that? John what was the... Two beats, two beats I wasn't gonna do it with one beat no he went two beats What was the name of that drug that you take when you go driving for a long distance Provigil Provigil yeah maybe that's what he's taking Noo that stuff doesn't really do that to ya He needs something that gives him a quick hit right away

28:48 Well, and that takes an hour. It's gotta be some... I was thinking the easiest thing if you want to become a stand-up comic, and anyone who has been in that business knows this is cocaine! Yeah, that's the funny drug And you can be hilarious with it You get enough cocaine in your chatterbox Boom, just on your way, good to go But he's eating something, so it's not as though he's like... I have a nasal congestion problem. He has got a little inhaler and he is like the Vicks Inhaler as it were and its filled with coke. Vaping? This sounds unlikely Yes that's no what he doing although you don't know what he is doing between sets Yeah Sets! Good set man

29:45 But he comes off the debate stage, hey man good set. Good set everybody yeah very nice. So the media just you know with this Super Tuesday results the media was just In some ways, beside themselves. I think they still had a hope that it would all melt down and it wouldn't work out and of course all the polls turned out to be incorrect which is something that has never discussed after the fact but we still need to keep pushing the idea that in The United States which is a republic that the entire situation is equal to that of Germany when Hitler came to power. It was obviously the same governmental system, the same powers that a president has and therefore Trump will turn us into Nazi Germany. Well here's some math that will trouble both of you I believe and this is how voter turnout looks look at these stark

30:40 Did she say math? Yeah, oh yeah look at the math. Have you noticed that the word math has now been substituted for calculus? Oh that's a good one well this is all part of the... I can't think of it now i'm spacing wait let me pop a Rubio pill and may come back Well, here's some math that will trouble both of you I believe and this is how voter turnout looks. Look at these stark differences between Democrats for whom voter turnout is less today yesterday than it was in 2008 and Republicans for whom it is exponentially higher look at Virginia a hundred and seven percent higher for Republicans that it was in 2008. Oh yeah, I remember

31:31 Math slash calculus is all about the fantasy sports league that everyone's playing. Well, if you have more Democrats coming out voting less but the arrows going down and it looks like the red state is just above the blue state then therefore Hillary will be king! That's a problem Sally moving forward for Democrats You know I keep talking to Democrat after Democrat who say well Trump isn't gonna win Trump isn't gonna win he can't win Well, he looks like he's going to win. And to be honest that is the biggest motivator is people have to actually feel something is at stake if they're not motivated to go out and vote for you know that guy with a progressive economic message that really would finally make this country work for everyone or the woman who's running with an impeccable and vast record of experience. If that's not enough for people, at least stopping us from becoming Nazi Germany would hopefully get Democrats and others to turn out

32:26 Hold on, let me summarize what this woman said. Bernie Sanders will save the country Hillary has experience and all the Republicans are a bunch of fascist pigs Let's check it again Who is this person? This is Sally Cohen I don't know Sally Cohen Yeah she's a pundit for CNN That really would finally make this country work for everyone or the woman who's running with an impeccable and vast record of experience Impeccable?! She should...she's a felon! ...would finally make this country work for everyone or the woman who's running with an impeccable and vast record of experience. If that's not enough... Oh, this is the lesbian which I don't give a shit that she's a lesbian but you know this is the I'm Rachel Maddow on CNN woman do you know what it is now?

33:14 No. I don't watch that much CNN this year. Look at Sally Cohn, you know her. You need to look at it. K-O-H-N. It really would finally make this country work for everyone or the woman who's running with an impeccable and vast record of experience if that's not enough for people At least stopping us from becoming Nazi Germany would hopefully get Democrats and others to turn out Yes! Stop us from... Please help us from becoming Nazi Germany Do you see here now? This is did you know she was a she's an Olympic beach swimmer le ball bronze Oh, no makes total sense CNN political commentator essayist keynote speaker mom She's not a lesbian. She is she isn't she's a lesbian who's a mom and Profile this and then the other way this time looking at what I'm looking very old-fashioned thinking of you John

34:10 Is it? It's not really. I just... She's a mom, okay. Professional optimist from Brooklyn! She looks like a jerk and then on her Twitter thing she's got VOTE as her artwork. Vote to stop us from becoming Nazi Germany How do you have these people on as commentators at all here Here is her pinned tweet this is the tweet like your pinned tweet of the trailer The pinned tweet is, this is not a drill. Trump could become president y'all wake up and do something. Bill he started finally started to look at Melania which is good we don't hear our uh our potential first lady speaking very much in public but uh Pooper interviewed her. Pooper is so enamored with her just you know I don't know she yeah he was

35:13 kind of fawning over the way you often see gay guys and beautiful model-like women. I was just waiting for Anderson to go, hey girl! Almost he had that goofy look on his face which is Not very professional. But this is our first kind of experience with Melania speaking and she sounds like a for sure her own person. We are both very independent and let him be who he is, and he lets me be who I am. And you don't try to change him? I don't try to change him. He's an adult. He knows the consequences

35:50 And so I let him be who he is. I give him my opinions many, many times. You do? Yes and I don't agree with everything what he says But you know that is normal. I'm my own person, and I tell him what I think. I am standing very strong on the ground on my two feet and... She's got feets on the ground! And I'm her own person It sounds like they have a very healthy marriage actually when listening to this. I think that's very important in their relationship Can you say something where you disagree with him? Here's what can you say something like can you say something mean please just don't say something mean

36:27 Oh, many things. Some language of course. Language? Yeah some language I didn't grow up with. Language you hear him using on the campaign trail? Especially when I was in New Hampshire when the woman was shouting out the... This is the pussy comment. ...unappropriate word and I was there and I'm thinking like don't repeat it in my head just for him Don't repeat it Just don't say because the next day media, all they will talk is about that. But he repeated it. He's with the momentum. He goes with the flow. He goes with-with the people. They're having fun. Everybody was cheering and you know, he said it and the next day but he repeated the word that was not his word so... So he heard from you about that? Yeah I told him that yes. Good old Melania she sounds nice yeah she seems pleasant

37:23 Well, we're talking about hot women and hot Republican women. Something that hasn't changed, Caitlyn is still a staunch Republican which led to some heated exchanges during the group's bus travels across the country. We are promoting The Caitlyn Show again new season coming up then the problem now is Everyone's totally okay with Bruce Jenner being Caitlyn Jenner, but the fact that he is a Republican is a brain freeze. The politics was tough on the bus to sit on the Republican side when we do get a candidate

38:01 I certainly will. Man, this guy has done nothing for his voice! He doesn't care. He does not... he's done absolutely nothing Get a candidate? Not that you have to but what i've seen it's kind of part of the process Uh..I certainly will talk to them and I admit that the Democrats when it comes as far as trans issues are better than the Republicans Alright, Kaitlin getting in, getting grief Okay, let us go to Let me see. Yeah this is a good one This is the morning Joe show I was just twiddling the dial for days trying to pick up stuff about you know what people are saying This morning Joe and this is about the

38:53 There was apparently Trump had an off-the-record meeting with the New York Times editorial board. Yeah, they're all right...all these guys especially the TV guys the radio guy's not so much are all over this uh So first of all the editorial board these are the people who do the op eds and say Trump is Hitler It seems like it's rather odd to have an off-the-record meeting with the editorial board. Does the editorial board even take meetings like that? Is that typical, I don't know anything about what... The agreement was that some would be on the record and some would be off the record. And they recorded the whole thing and they're not threatening to release… Well someone leaked it! Someone leaked that it even existed and for

39:39 It seems like, you know... First of all the New York Times doing anything off the record seems odd for the paper or record. But then to leak- No no there's plenty of stuff off the record. But they're leaking the fact that something is there and making it a hit job! Well we kind of know what it is? What is it?! I mean, it's been deconstructed by these guys for a while. He apparently said that you know the stuff i'm talking about when im talking about immigration i'm not going to really do a lot of this stuff everything is negotiable Yeah, everything's negotiable. That's the way I am and don't worry about some of this stuff. I mean, I say it because people like to hear it and that kind of thing supposedly where he's being just amenable And uh...and the idea I would think since as part of his negotiation strategy would be to get them to lighten up

40:35 Let's listen to the morning Joe deconstruction of what happened and here you have the New York Times Supposedly the gold standard right? Having information from an off-the-record editorial board meeting late They would never do that in a million years to Hillary Clinton. They'd never do it to Marco Rubio They never even do it to Ted Cruz not even in a billion years Joe Do that leak about some kind of off-the record recording? Oh, it's somebody inside the company. Of course it was! Some douchebag... Someone on the editorial board no doubt. Billionaires but they're doing it to Donald Trump It's a great journalism story from time to time The New York Times will make pronouncements about its policies and handling of on-the-record comments background, off-the-record saying that we won't allow off-the-record dispensation be granted to sources you can talk

41:29 on Every New York Times reporter on that plane would be off of it. I would kick them off... Until and unless they clarify the attributional policies of the newspaper. I agree with you, every single New York Times reporter should be kicked off from the plane Should not be given press access anything until the editor of The New York Times explains to the candidate and explains to readers exactly what happened Well i don't think that's going to happen

42:18 No, I'm just gonna be pointless to kick the reporters off the plane. Yeah MSNBC made me laugh you might have seen this clip and after the demise of Melissa Harris Perry Now that she's gone. They're in disarray, they've been in disarray for a while but... Well Comcast you know who tends to be Republican when they bought NBC they knew they had the revamping MSNBC but they had to do it in a kind and gentle way otherwise there would be called out so they've been doing it even slowly thats why Ed Schultz is out of their finally

42:55 And he's you know working for the I actually got a clip from Ed Schultz from RT this is like. I've never seen his show on Find it he's doing some good stuff It's crazy funny. He's really doing some interesting thing madman So MSNBC there may be still some Republican elements in the control room that there was a setup with a guest And the whole idea is to say, well you know Donald Trump racist black people don't want to vote for him. There's a lot of this other commentary continues I only hear white we only have apparently white people and black people in America there's no yellow there's no red There's no brown it's only black and white i'm so sick and tired of hearing it So when this happened

43:36 It was funnier than anything I've seen of their race baiting coverage. If you're Donald Trump, why would a KKK white supremacist guy want people to vote for you? That's the question that Donald Trump needs to be asked. Well the question is also being asked... A lot of attention has been placed on his candidacy, Donald Trump in the media. Okay watch here he's got the controller and goes okay we gotta sound bite I want to go live to the Trump rally and see a lot of those racist assholes. Now you have reports saying, listen what about his supporters? What are we learning about his supporters, the new people truly that he is to his point bringing into the fold. Come on, we gotta go live. We gotta go live! One of our reporters and i don't want to quote the wrong reporter here was just out at the Trump campaign—I think we have this sound in my team will have to tell me where they spoke with some Trump supporters

44:25 Let's play what they said. Okay, so she gets a message during the interview in her ear and she's even touching her ear You know one of those lieutenant Zulu moves? Yeah Oh We have a reporter he's live at the Trump rally and you know KKK and they behave like I was supremacy And now this is a huge black man sitting in the front row. I'm from under the rocks all the time around this time of year, it's got nothing to do with Donald Trump We're all Americans and we need to stop with all the racist stuff and race being like me my friend right here we just met today he was talking... You're talking about old white guy next to him? you know what we gotta start with the racist stuff and this that we are all Americans nobody paying attention to nobody Now they come back from this piece

45:17 Clearly, let me just be clear here. Obviously the majority of Donald Trump supporters are not African American I don't know how many African Americans were in that building but that is one person we have chosen to cut that sound from. That was a good one. Yeah, that's what is going on at MSNBC they're going to move in that direction so they can... They don't know what to do with MSNBC this time. Clearly! Clearly they don't know what to do But that was a good one. The thing that gets me is that nobody on the mainstream, especially on MSNBC is really writing Hillary about her commentary she made in 1996 during her husband's administration when they passed all these... Most of the laws that Bill passed

46:12 crime laws, crime bills resulted in the high rate of black incarceration. And a lot of the black community, the intellectuals in the black community all know this and they're not voting for her. They're voting for Bernie or they'll switch over there we just won't vote for it but I have one little rundown on the latest one another example took place where some Black woman or millennial confronted Hillary in public and discuss this about what's under your heels. And it kind of explains it. Under your heels? Yeah, you probably didn't know that. I missed this now. I missed this okay. Sorry yeah you got the clip there? Yeah ABC Republican Rundown. That explains it. ...are coming together united right now that's not happening which is why top Republicans are... This was ABC Republican Rundown that's what I said. No this from Democracy Now!

47:05 So let me see what the clip is called. It's Hillary in Blacks and Underheeled, Deanne. coffee shop in Minneapolis. She asked the former secretary of state about her super predator comments— Hey, Hillary, want to buy some weeds? —the quiet back-and-forth ended with Hillary Clinton growing frustrated and telling the young woman, quote, well why don't you go run for something then? This comes about a week after Black Lives Matter activist Ashley Williams confronted Hillary Clinton about her comments during a private fundraiser in Charleston, South Carolina.

47:52 South Carolina first funny because this woman came in with a big sign And it had to do with the blacks are predators, and they should be put under our heel Heel Wow yeah. It says it was like a jack-booted heel yes something like that I mean that's what if the inference was and It's gotten a lot of play in the progressive side of things and democracy now is all over it. They had that Ashley Earl from Black Lives Matter on the show going on about how very, very sharp this girl... And this is going as an undercurrent even you haven't heard about it because nobody else except super progressives

48:34 uh... that are all in for bernie are talking about it and even bernie doesn't really talk about it you know he has hinted that bill in past these laws as resulted in half the black community being in jail or on their way and then a lot of blacks kind of know about it but they're all progressive or they're for Bernie already. The majority of the black community, as you can tell by the results in South Carolina and elsewhere Georgia that they haven't got a clue okay well whatever we like her what I find so disturbing and basically disgusting is how black Americans are being abused in this entire race by both sides. As long as we can get blacks, then we're good to go and they love us they don't love you they love us they love him it's really... Black Americans should rise up and say screw this crap

49:25 Van Jones should be the guy they put up front as screw this crap. Something happened on CNN which became their main focus, it's been that way for the past 36 hours... It was after the debate and it was Van Jones who used to work for President Obama He is like an all-in climate guy. Professional commentator Also on the panel was Jeffrey Lord and Jeffrey Lord I recognize his face. And yeah, I think he's also just a you know CNN guy But he apparently has been on the Trump train since the beginning and said no this is gonna work This guy is gonna do it So now he's on every single show because he's the guy that called Trump as you know as a winner

50:18 And he's getting a lot of grief, but what happened is Van Jones turned this into... ...a huge racial issue. I mean really disturbing what his initial premise for this argument was It was beautiful to watch because it was on late For the first time on any cable news program two people were kind of being real You know, it's like oh wow there's an actual argument. It's not scripted they're going at each other and the Jeffrey Lord guy you know when he was essentially being called a racist and protecting a racist and then he turns around says this is exactly what the Democrats and the liberals do. You always use race to divide anything with it was for it was really the two sides that we have discussed on the program many times

51:11 butting heads against each other. It's long, so when we want to dump out we can dump out and then I have a follow-up where Van Jones is you know he's like the second coming of Martin Luther King about him being so having the courage to have this uh this conversation So are you game for listening a bit of this fight? Yeah go! The things that Donald Trump has done and not just in this race are horribly offensive. You can go back with this guy for a long time, I want to talk! I didn't say anything yet. Oh you breathe Now they're sitting next to each other and Van Jones does something continuously which i really dislike when he says let me finish or whenever he's making a point He takes his right hand and puts it on the guys shoulder And is holding his shoulder while talking in his face It was really really aggressive

52:00 You can go back to the central jogger case where he came out and had innocent black kids winding up in prison. Innocent kids? Hold on a second, listen hold on a second We have a big problem at this point now. I think the guy called it properly, right off the bat he said Donald Trump, innocent black kids Because i agree with you about a lot. I think that we have taken him not seriously we have not respected his voters but there is a dark underside here and Essie is right He's whipping up and tapping into and pushing buttons that are very very frightening to me and frightening to a lot of people So he feels threatened as a black man? Is what im hearing him say Number one

52:37 When he is playing funny with the Klan, that is not cool. He didn't play funny with the Klan. Hold on a second! I know this man when he gets passionate about terrorism. I know how he talks about terrorism The Klan is a terrorist organization that has killed... A leftist terrorist organization You can put whatever label you want if you wanted That's your game to play No it's important history We're not going to play that game We are gonna understand history No, no, no. You need to take a serious look at the fact that this man is playing fast and loose, when you talk about terrorism he gets passionate. He says no this is wrong but when you talk about the Klan oh I don't know I don't know that's wrong and then you came on the air just like when Reverend Wright was speaking. Reverend Wright never lynched anybody.

53:26 So his problem, Van Jones' problem is that Trump, when he talks about terrorism he's really mad and angry and aggressive but when it comes to racism against black Americans He is not aggressive enough. This is the premise of the whole argument You're right! And you don't hide and say that's not part of the base of the Democratic Party That has been... They were the military arm The terrorist arm of the Democratic party according to historians For God sakes read your history

54:13 I don't know. I don't care. His whole attitude of dividing by race is still here and this is how Democrats do the deal! I don't care how they voted 50 years ago, I care about who they killed- And I want to hear about American history it counts You have stood with Donald Trump Now let's take a break for a second Is that true? Was the Ku Klux Klan...and by the way its Ku Klux Klan I hear one person say Ku Klux Klan Were they leftist terrorist organization They weren't leftists there were democrats better. Well, he doesn't want to hear about it Arvan and you have made a case for that this is kind of interesting because if there's a when arguments start taking place for example he starts talking about the killings at the Ku Klux Klan managed to orchestrate which was awhile ago but meanwhile he's talking about who's killing who and then he accused somebody being a murderer

55:10 And David Duke's not mentioned, but he's in the conversation. And he hasn't killed anybody if he did, he should be in jail and the whole thing is mixed up because of this. The Democrats have...and I think Hillary's little commentary about the black should be under our heel- It proves it! Is like part of a just almost like a giant scam because the Republicans are the ones who historically have benefited the blacks the most Including Lincoln. And what happened, well mainly but what happened over time is that and this began just during Nixon or maybe before they decided to because it was always locked the Democrats had the South and they were called Dixiecrats they were renamed kind of but all this south was just run by Democrats in the voting rights problems and all the rest of it was all instituted by Democrats

56:05 It was all a Democrat structure. And the Republicans, I think just prior to Nixon realized that if they could take over the South with this so-called Southern strategy which was the kind of usurp that what the Democrats were up to and kind of go in there as unfortunately I think it's a negative thing but they came in as kind of faux racists. In the south, to kind of move their democrats out of their positions so we can outdo you and we can be better for this these groups and uh... they came in to go over the south and with that they had all this leverage to win a lot of elections and they won nixon you know reagan always guess use the southern strategy to again office because it is sweet the south pretty much i said wasn't enough to take the whole country has the big states are pennsylvania and ohio and california which are democrat states generally ohio does swing both ways did california no chisel

57:03 And so what you ended up with was this very strange mix of one side being on one side, we went into flip-flopping this way that way. And so this kind of argument if you don't have a historical perspective leads to what Van Jones comes up with which is Republicans are all bad and they suck... And they're racist and hate black people. But what's worse is he's shouting down the guy saying excuse me, this is American history it does count. And this is what the Democrats have done historically. He just doesn't want to hear it. I care about American history, it counts! You have stood with Donald Trump and you've made a case for Donald Trump when nobody else wanted to and you've earned the respect of an awful lot of people but when you do not acknowledge that he did not answer that question with passion... He's answered with other terrorist organizations. You would-you'd do yourself a disservice? You'd do your kids a disservice?!

57:53 over and over and over again. This is a media thing here, did he make a mistake? Sure but he has said this many many times I've gone back and look he's well on record over and over and over again. It's worse than that sir it's worse that whole thing with those Central Jogger kids he got the entire city of New York whipped up on this idea that these kids have done something wrong. This has gotta be something that's coming out if you keep saying central jogger kids even he means Central Park jogger kids There's something brewing with this. There is something that is going to come to the forefront about Donald Trump's reaction I remember this, was it late 80s? Yeah, this was a while ago! Late 80s in New York, and I don't recall everyone saying Donald Trump screwed those black kids but maybe I wasn't aware at the time as possible

58:37 But Van Jones is this is the second or third time like a setup It's a set up and then when it turned out they were innocent we all make mistakes right he never apologized to those kids Oh, I never apologized And that's that's a stain on him and you can walk through Time after time where he's done stuff like that the stuff. He said about Native Americans being you know criminal organizations in my if he said so many things what you're doing right here What you're doing here? Is dividing people We're all Americans here, man. You are dividing people this is what liberals do you were dividing people by race I am not This is what liberalism is all about The Klan divided people by race You have to divide by race The Klan killed people by race and he had the opportunity And they did it

59:16 They did it to further the progressive agenda. Why didn't you listen? That is first of all so absurd. It is not a democratic party of the South in the old days was they racist party and your correct sir, they were a violent party and you are right. I think we got better Wilson elected but hold on a second what does that mean? What does that mean well what happened at Wilson got in because the Republican press kind of funny because maybe seeing that again but Teddy Roosevelt was the president before, and they...the Republicans decided to run another guy. And so they ran some guy in the convention—I forgot who it was—but Roosevelt says that's bullcrap! I'm gonna run myself and he ran under the Bull Moose Party created a new party. The Bull Moose? Cool. So they split the Republicans and Wilson waltzed in

1:00:06 And that's one of the problems, everyone always points to that as a problem with trying to re-do what happened in 1856 with the Republicans. But yeah, it's what he is talking about. We got a minute to run here. That's not Democratic Party of today so what are you talking about that for? You played these games! It is the Democratic Party of today. The Democratic Party of today divides by race. I have a kid Seven years old right he can't even watch the I used to look one thing. I don't want you watching the Kardashians I want you watching the news so you can learn something You know what watching all this nonsense in your party? He turns around and says no dad, you're a liar He doesn't even know what the word means but he sees so much vitriol from your party right he brings that into our house now We got it whatever watching a Nick jr.. He came in the word civics because of what's going on in your party this circus wing in Europe do

1:00:57 his kids are being corrupted by Donald Trump. This is horrible, this is horrible! What a stretch! He cannot play and tell Donald Trump I know you, I trust you Tell Donald Trump he needs for my children's sake for the children's sake of America if he's gonna lead this country he need to be as passionate about what has happened We have to be passionate in our communities anybody else? we have to be passionate about making sure that as Robert Kennedy used to say that this country is colorblind we have to as President Kennedy used to say in that Birmingham speech that race has no place in American life or law. That's what we have to do, and we have lost that totally because the Democratic Party insists on dividing people by race and it is wrong morally wrong. Okay? But so this became like they were doing soundbite after sound bite and all look at this And of course you know Van Jones defending the black man because Donald Trump didn't wasn't angry enough about

1:01:51 you know, the Ku Klux Klan and David Duke so-called endorsement. Which agree they totally mishandled that I'm not quite sure... None of the optics of that were good the way he did that That's not good at all It was PR mess Poorly executed Very poorly executed And there is no reason for him to do it because He doesn't have to do it Here what weird about it Is he was already on their record because they have these clips from 2008 going off on the clan And Duke. Yeah, and that's what's odd. That's what's odd but you know what? You know, you and I know lots of people like Donald Trump but lots of rich powerful people and if we took Occam's razor for a moment and maybe Trump is going to do exactly what he says He'll build a wall. He'll fix the stuff with China and Help the veterans and that's all he's gonna do

1:02:47 And it'll hook up with Putin, which I like. I like the Putin thing. I think that Putin has got more... It has more legs than anyone realizes. I think that's the key to the Republican hatred of him. The Republican strategy right now seems to be not separate white and black but separate the Russians and United States who were supposed to be partners after the fall of the Soviet Union and they were supposed to, you know work together. And the Russians are a little sketchy with some of the stuff they do but... To create this second Cold War for no apparent reason than other than strategy of taking these seven countries and taking over the Middle East and being the warmongers it just doesn't seem like the right way to go. And only Trump is the one who's promoting this idea of detente which is an old word with the Russians

1:03:42 And here, play that NBC clip you were going to play again. This is the rundown as we speak of what's going on and the kind of attacks at the Republican... I do want to come back to this Van Jones thing after this. Yeah, you come back to that. ...ask you to prayerfully consider our coming together. Uniting. Right now that's not happening, which is why top Republicans are sharpening their knives in a last ditch effort to stop Trump. Mitt Romney tomorrow delivering a major speech laying out the case against the billionaire piling on a slew of top Republican donors and conservative groups planning to blanket the airwaves with anti-Trump ads. Trump picks on workers and widows

1:04:22 He won't do a thing to China and Mexico. On Super Tuesday, Trump in his palatial Palm Beach golf club watching election returns. Just got to stop it there well done on the on the hall looking like The White House Well done Mr Trump Did you see that? And they used the word palatial by the way. Oh yeah, which is not necessary Yeah it was very good It looked like the White House I think it looks like that anyway I liked that, but good production Campaign juggernaut rolling on and over his opponents. Tonight, Dr Ben Carson indicating he'll soon drop out right now the only establishment name in Trump's corner New Jersey Governor Chris Christie so many people examining his face last night standing behind the billionaire today six New Jersey papers calling on Christie to resign writing we're fed up with governor Chris Christie's arrogance were disgusted with this endorsement Wow wow that's like me reading an email

1:05:24 Do you hear what he's doing? We're disgusted! He's doing a voice. Fed up with Governor Chris Christie's arrogance, we're disgusted with his endorsement of Donald Trump. He's doing the voice. We're disgusted with your endorsement of Donald Trump These arrogance were disgusted with his endorsement of Donald Trump. What an embarrassment, what an utter disgrace! Donald Trump brushing it all off setting his sights on Hillary Clinton She wants to make America whole again and I'm trying to figure out what is that all about? Make America great again is going to be much better than making America whole again

1:06:02 That was such an easy open door they left for him. It's going to be a very interesting race ahead, Tom Yamas with us live from Michigan tonight and Tom Dr Ben Carson has dropped out of the Fox debate tomorrow night what does this mean? That's right David his campaign is now winding down but what many people are talking about when many people are gonna be watching at that debate Donald Trump is gonna be face-to-face with one of his biggest enemies Fox News' Megan Kelly you'll remember they had that epic war of words in the first ever debate this campaign season tomorrow night she's one of the co-moderators. All right Tom Yamas leading us off tonight, Tom thank you to all who are watching some controversy. Tom Yamas is one of many shouters on ABC it seems that network news guys when they're field reporters they have to shout the story

1:06:47 And they shout and shout and shout. But he is the one, ABC is a anti-Trump station we know that there were the Jeb Bush group but now they don't know what they're doing. I think it's still good to follow what they do because it's a lot of shouting from the reporters. Lots of shouting yeah. Careful contemplation by David Muir So Don Lemon last night late last night had Van Jones on again. And you know, they've been- and Van is now every- he's on every show as well because he stood up! So here we have two black guys... and I learned a couple things. It was something that this Lorde guy said at the very end of that first clip uh..that i- it was educational moment but in the whole segment its like oh god... Van Jones is her with me now deeply personal for you Deeply personal this argument

1:07:41 Yeah, that was completely unplanned Don. We literally had... we were supposed to be talking about the Republican Party, the Russian Republican Party actually I wasn't even going to say anything at all and somehow we wind up in a conversation. That'll be the day! I don't think either of us expected to have live on the air Don, as you know sometimes people have conversations in the green room You do not have them on set We had that green room parking lot conversation right there on the set This is a very nice little quote we've got because that's the problem with mainstream media in general All the good stuff never makes it onto the air Because its scripted It's completely controlled Its timed

1:08:22 The commercial break and the top of the hour This is why we never speak to each other except on the program because you miss all the beauty of it And I agree It was a very nice segment human segment on CNN for the first time in as long as I've been watching the place Yeah, and it was but and and and I think that there were tears in the eyes of people camera people Did you have tears in your eyes listening to it yeah God tears because it was a black man in a white man say fear no He said tears in their eyes tears and the camera people were crying camera people And other people at the break. I mean it was it was a cathartic moment for everybody there and then of course so full of him Yeah, because we solve the racial tension trended worldwide in turn it trended worldwide this whole bigger thing It's a whole bigger thing now because Van Jones is it was it was a cathartic moment

1:09:17 for everybody there and then of course it trended worldwide and turned into this whole bigger thing. But just in the intimacy of a bunch of people who've worked together for so hard, so long during his primary season... Oh, so it's such hard work! A lot of emotion just came out Yeah listen I was transfixed by Now this is interesting i learned something That as I stopped getting dressed last night and watched this And I kept saying, I wish I was there. You know why? Because we often have these conversations on the show you and I even sometimes you and I disagree on certain things that we have these sort of heart to heart moments which is what you should do but the whole point of... The thing that got me was the whole idea that this somehow has to do with ideology That it somehow has to do with the right versus the Democrats in the Ku Klux Klan I didn't understand what that had to do with anything Well its unfortunate because

1:10:07 There's a small part of the right that has this revisionist history where they want to say everything in the world that ever happened was the left. So Hitler was a leftist, the Klan is a leftist and it's something... Is that true? Was Hitler a leftist? I don't think so! It's questionable. You have to look at what's interesting is the fascist movement which he was part of. Van Jones Only he became a national, it would become National Socialism. So you could say because the word socialism existed and there was corporatism It was leftist then so you can make you can kind of vaguely make that argument But the thing that's always noteworthy is that fascism itself which began in the late 20s Was an academic movement which was it? Which was I'd say you could

1:10:57 the academic scene was very similar to what it always is, which tends to be lefty. Wrong is wrong and doesn't matter if its left or right Exactly! There's horrible people on the right and horrible people on the left And there are horrible racists and bigots on the right and horrible racist and bigots on the left Why are we having this conversation? The question is... Yeah why? Why Van? Why are you having this conversation Right now the Klan isn't endorsing Hillary Clinton The Klan is not endorsing Bernie Sanders, the Klan is endorsing Donald Trump which is an opportunity for... Which is not entirely true. A guy who used to be in the Ku Klux Klan said did not endorse he said go out and vote for Trump. We don't know who the Klan's endorsing? No this is.. And I think Duke was 40 years ago maybe that he was in the Klan? It's a while back. He's a douche!

1:11:41 But it's not factually correct. Donald Trump, to stand up and do what Reagan did when the Klan tried to endorse Reagan, Reagan took them to the woodshed! Is that true? Not that I know of... And it was ugly! Van Jones wasn't around then or barely, I barely remember that. Facting that from a Trump and instead you get well I disavow okay let's move on and that to me is a very sad moment This isn't his whole point he wanted Trump to be more the words don't matter. It's the way he said it that takes Van Jones off This is interesting and listen if the Klan is a leftist organization, they'd be endorsing Bernie Sanders But why are we having that conversation? The question is not just why is Trump

1:12:25 not pushing away hard from this group. If ISIS endorsed Trump, Trump would go crazy! If Al-Qaeda endorsed Trump, Trump would go crazy! We have a terrorist organization in the United States that is—and white supremacists since 9-11 have killed more Americans than Muslims the muslims have killed and then jihadists have killed and so if you're going to be anti-terrorist leader which is what trump is supposed to be you should be hard on al qaeda you should be hard on isis and he should be hard on the clinton listen the other thing that i found in the room this is a here's a learning moment john before white men are learning moments

1:13:03 As you said, Jeffrey Lord. We have him on. Jeffrey Lord is a nice man. He is! But I don't understand he understands how offensive it is when people say that Dr King wanted a colorblind society That's not what Dr King wanted. Dr King wanted people to recognize people for their qualities For their fuller lips or bigger nose or darker skin Whatever it is that you bring into the society culturally but in spite of that Or because of that to judge people on their content of character. Who wants to live in a colorblind society? That's disingenuous! I see you as black, and I see blonde hair...I see blue eyes. I see people who are Asian. I see yarmulkes. Am i not supposed to see all those things?! I'm supposed to love my brother because of their differences, not be blind to them. You know whatever somebody tells me, well you know man, I'm just colorblind. And I say, you might want to see a doctor. Good point

1:13:59 I think i've probably said that in the past. Well you've been bitching about your eyesight for some time now but the, I think that is an incorrect interpretation and it's kind of like men saying I'm a feminist like I am colorblind! I think that's good. That's a good one. Yeah not you're not color blind. I'm a male lesbian Anyway, I learned something there and I agree and I but I need to I need to correct myself. Yeah, I would say that's something you said It is a good takeaway yeah, I mean fine. I mean Van Jones otherwise With that I think I should thank you for your courage and passion send you love and light and say in the morning to you John C

1:14:43 where the C stands for content of character. Dvorak! Yeah, well in the morning to you also in the morning all ships and sea boots up on the ground feeding the air subs in the water and all the dames and knights out there In the morning to The Chat Room hey everybody how ya doing? And noagendastream.com In the morning to our artists in particular I want to say in the morning to Baron Nussbaum who brought us the artwork for episode 803 title of the show Joe Hitler And it was our first president, Washington George Washington with a make American great again Trump hat. Yeah that's good I picked up one of those at the rally. I had a red one that somebody sent me in the mail One of the originals you get a white one or red one? I got a blue one

1:15:24 I didn't even know there were blue ones. It's me, I got one that's made in China. I thought that was funnier than the, but I didn't want to get the official one. I got the one you ever looked at this. This was made in China? No, I got the one that wasn't actually on the premises, but kind of where you're walking from parking your car bootleg like I need it with his blue hat which is made in China. Perfect. So the E the newsletter went out, did that work and everything go okay. Are we happy with it? Wasn't that good I mean, it...I think it went out. But nobody cares. This is a moment in...you know this happens every year at some point we have you know disinterested...uhh.. I don't know why maybe show 808 will pick things up because 808 is too lucky Chinese numbers and that could be nice. Oh that would be nice yeah 808. And 80-0-8 is a palindrome

1:16:21 So I think 8008 could be useful. You mean 8 08, not 80 08? Yeah, 80 08 No! No... 808 that's three numbers. 808 is no good. 8008 is 8008. No, it's 80 dot o eight Oh, I'm sorry gotcha $80 and eight cents. I got you yeah $80 and eight cents this our first executive producer. It has a dot in the middle Our first executive producer sent us the War and Peace. Yeah, he sent us his novel as his comments here. That's Sir Edward of Bridgewater in Bridgewater New Jersey 3333. And I don't know quite what we should read here. Well, I think if you get to the opening three lines, you'll see that he stoned. Hey man! I'm hearing a ringing sound much like that made by Tibetan bull

1:17:22 And that's when I realized my commands is now the captain's chair of a starship which is hurtling headlong into an asteroid field. Atop the largest asteroid is Jerry Hall, but not the old foggy fucking Jerry of today but the young rock star Jerry. This guy's profane. Very profane as she appeared on the cover of the fifth Roxy music album and the ringing sound morphs into... What is he still, he's stoned on LSD? No. He had Xanax in blueberry cookies

1:18:02 Oh, is that what he says later? He says the biggie while sitting on my throne enveloped in a haze and I began to slide down the slide into oblivion Jerry grabs my hand and pulls me up when I realize The asteroid is now Mount Rushmore And I'm holding Ava Marie Saints hand and it's me saving her when suddenly Ava becomes Dvorak, at which point I lose my grip and John plummets to the rocks below shouting, douchebag! As he descends to his demise. Fall back through Roosevelt's eyes and then I'm in a dark room strapped into a real throne and through the door walks Uma Thurman so we can kind of guess his age by these women he's idolizing. Uh...I'm guessing 50

1:18:54 It goes on and on. It was his entire story. I don't know why... It's a fun little, uh.. He should consider writing a little giblet on Amazon! He should! I would read it! I'm telling you the way it starts is dynamite Just throwing in a bunch of random stuff Does he want to jingle or something? No no but he has a birthday coming up Well thanks Sir Edward for the enlightenment into where your brain works Blueberry and Xanax Zanix is not something that's good for you. Duke Thomas Nussbaum came in with $301 and Virginia beats Virginia, Duke Nussbaum he says here I the show is going great no no the show is going great

1:19:42 You'll see Adam on the road soon. Give me a shout out or he wants to eat for the 300 bucks He wants to get out of my vagina look at the juice and yum, and maybe the scream Venge Plus karma I'm guessing use you want to choose juice? I was so enamored with the With our previous note that I hadn't hadn't gone ahead and worked ahead yet juice what was the last one all right? Oh, scream. Scream to scream. And a karma. Okay... My headphones are also all of the sudden decided to provide a little bit of feedback. Joseph Gilbert. I'm not sure why it's doing that. Get out of my vagina! Oh my gosh! Can you see that juice? You've got karma. There ya go sir, now's the moment thank-you very much for the artwork on the previous show good work So we have Joseph Gilbert here and i'm looking in the email don't see anything

1:20:45 I can do a quick check. If i look for Gilbert, I find nothing so we'll have to wait for him to send us another note if he sent a note in the first place anyway Joseph Gilbert parts unknown $300 okay onward John Glover and this those are executive producers and now we have one associate executive producers and then we're done John Glover in Zilla Washington if there is even is a zilla Please say this on the air for correction purposes. Oh, hold on a second I have... Was it Brian Gilbert? No Joseph. Sorry, sorry, I got nothing

1:21:28 Keep going. Okay, thanks for the mention of Kultura Winery on show 803 but I have a correction Adam said i am a retired NSA employee? I don't remember you saying that yeah that was that was the one I got from one of our subs under the water guys and he said this is a retired agent and he now has wine what was he doing in his sub No, his friend was at the meetup who was in a sub. Oh! He says I've never worked for any government agency let alone white haired guys that doesn't make me really most of CIA...I don't know what they say you guys have white hair but of course that's what i think they'd shoot him up with something when their hair turns white. That's all I can think about. Let's read the note

1:22:13 Oh, but of course that's what a government agent would say. If I was a government agent i would have known that you both were broadcasting in your underwear the whole time too which is probable indeed me and my wife are just lifelong farmers that have been have a passion for red wine also the one is only 40 not 100 Show me your address so I can get you some out to you both. Well we drank it, we drank our $40 bottle. It was dying. I never got a bottle so send him my address and he'll send you some. And that concludes our little group of producers and executives for show 804. Remind people we do have a show coming up on Sunday short week

1:22:55 Yes, we do. Dvorak.org slash NA is the place to go and help us out. Yes please remember us for the coming program Maybe just a quick little new jingle We got in if just when you thought that no-no nose could not get any better Conan Salada Brought us anyone okay? You know what? You're my house drinking the booze I Shame on ya. Outstanding! Outstanding work, especially you're drinking the booze very well done. Devorac dot org slash N-A Alright you may not be able to support us financially whoops what the hell was that? We'll try that again maybe if you can't support us financially You can always go out and propagate the formula Our formula is this Christ man When we go out...we hit people in the mouth Hey citizens Shut up slaves

1:24:05 Somebody complained to me that I had hit the gong. Yeah, and he's got his headphones on it hurts Well, I have five my energy chime John by this is energy solo chime here It is that thing is amazing the resin ring that long? Yes still going oops. Hit the mic Wow yes, it's real You know what when I hear this chime. I just stop and I become calm oh And I think, donate to the witch. Well anyway so is the gong over modulated? No it's not over modulated it has some certain frequency that cuts through... It does something to the processing but it overrides everything doesn't matter what I do when you hit the gong I cannot even get over the gongsound no matter what's playing its just a beautiful frequency I like it! Wonder what it is

1:25:05 I should bring the big gong up here and see if that does anything. Although it's huge, it probably shows your bassline. Big Gong Dvorak! I got the big gong! You know sad news John it finally happened you had already set me up for it. You'd set me up for it uh and you told me was coming and I was hopeful that it wouldn't happen A very sad day. In all the years. Sad day in American history, it did take place It all happened overnight Restocked inventory of groceries Souvenir items All the computers needed to be changed out All the cash registers You know you think about it, your going from one company to another Yosemite National Park undergoing a full makeover Hundreds of signs now displaying new names for several old iconic landmarks Curry Village is now Half Dome Village Awani Hotel is now The Majestic Yosemite Hotel Pffft

1:25:55 The majestic Yosemite Hotel. Curry Village gone? How did these guys get a hold of these things as copyrighted trademarks? Well, this is the issue of the report so we'll continue. Yosemite Hotel... The name changes come as Aramark takes over as a new concessionaire. The previous one Delaware North leaving with a few stones left unturned during the course of its contract Park Ranger Scott Gediman says Delaware North filed to trademark the iconic names without knowledge of the park. However, we as a National Park Service do not feel that these trademarks are valid so the park is fighting back. So someone else trademarked the names and then it's it? It's not a part of the deal that that's what happening. The new guys coming in they can't or they don't want to purchase the old names or whatever the issue is there were trade with $50 million dollars. Is that what they want 50 million yeah it's worth

1:26:50 No it's not. They've brought a lawsuit against Delaware North and in addition they filed a petition with the United States Patent and Trademark Office asking them to cancel the standing trademarks which is why the signs are temporary The history of these properties goes back you know, in Korean villages for example way over 100 years Yes! These names belong to the American people It belongs to the American people he said American People belongs to American People Camp Curry, Curry Village. What are you doing people? ...years and that these names belong to the American people... Yes! I agree, I relinquish my name for that Because they even trademarked the name Yosemite National Park The new merchandise created by Aramark only features the name Yosemite I really don't care for it too much at all but y'know I still remain to come up here and enjoy this beautiful place Visitors say they just want everything to stay the same I'm sad to see if that is getting broken apart Where are the lawyers?!

1:27:48 Well, this is all about one thing. And by the way sir, Bemrose if you were listening I said that John had told me this was happening and this is now the information about why it's happened and what the problem is. Be quiet. The memories that we're hearing just weren't associated with the names and stuff that you already knew, you know? Here it comes! This is all for one big benefit to the American people for Yosemite Park. Under the contract Aramark plans to remodel several of the park's restaurants and concessions while also bringing new food items to the menus The contract will last for the next 15 years Fantastic new food items in Yosemite this is well worth it Sad Kale Ha ha ha sad It's just sad

1:28:35 I have a couple. Actually, you know what? I'm looking at my clips...I have the opportunity for a clip blitz at the end of the show! You haven't done that for awhile and then I keep people listening. Let me see okay. I'll keep this one. I'll put it there for the end of the show. We'll be ready if you have a clip that might lead into something, I believe you're working on. OK? What's she got? This is the FBI versus Apple A second case in a victory for privacy advocates. A federal judge has rejected an FBI request to force Apple to unlock a drug dealer's iPhone Monday's ruling came hours before Apple and the Obama administration face off in a congressional hearing today

1:29:22 over Apple's refusal to help the FBI break into the iPhone of one of the San Bernardino massacre suspects. That's in a separate case." Yes, that's right! And then... Okay well while we're at it then We got one more little prelude to what you're gonna report on? Okay and this I picked up on or on The Outnumbered Show This is where you have a bunch of women In one dude In one dude and You don't get to hear Otherwise known as The Mormon Show You don't get to hear the dude at all, but you get to hear these women. Interesting and this is on Fox so it's interesting how they're so against the FBI and pro-Apple with this discussion they have that is a little... It's a two minute clip. Surely it's a conversation? This is conversation but if they go into a bunch of interesting memes and then I think the end of it is kind of priceless. And I'm not sure which clip it is though John. Chicken coop

1:30:18 I could have known. Andrea and many out there are speculating that this is about much more, this is about the FBI and the government wanting to always be able to get into those iPhones. And it says in a one-off situation but... The government is very good at making this look like it is a one off scenario. The way they put it, and it stuck with me, the government said we're asking Apple to remove the vicious guard dog that hurts national security so that we can pick the lock As if this is just a one house or one phone situation, which it's turning out very much is not. Yeah but that also Sandra makes Apple a villain in this entire situation you're gonna label Apple as the vicious dog? It's Kabuki theater! Or its material. The most important headline I don't know if the media is conveniently missing this New York Times story or the facts of this or they're there just not doing their homework

1:31:08 New York Times reports the FBI acknowledged that they screwed this up from the start. They went in and messed this case up by changing the passcode, that's why we're talking about it! The FBI dropped the ball And they acknowledge that. And they acknowledge that, yet you hear these emotional arguments from people, they need to unlock the phone! People are going to die! I've heard even lawyers make these arguments that don't make sense. The facts of the matter are this is a larger agenda it's not about opening one phone. The government wants to end all encryption technologies and this is the way to do it. Everything else is PR in Kabuki theater, get Congress away from this they're only doing it so they can get free airtime and raise money from lobbyists keep them away from this Apple should stand firm yeah but the government doesn't particularly have a great track record with technology if you will Julie Yeah I gotta tell you am I the only person here who's terrified that greatest intelligence service in the world can't break into a phone?

1:32:05 They should call the Israelis. Call them up! Call the Israelis, they can do it right there you go that's a plan yeah call the Israeli. Call the Israelis? I thought that was a knife in the back of their in the two one area code so you can just call the Israelis is not a problem just give them a call its a low it's not even a toll call its local yes so I watched all four hours and 30 minutes of the testimony which had an interesting name the encryption what was it It had a name. That was the first time I saw a name titled on C-SPAN No, they do that all the time. Just never noticed it or something but i've seen lots Was the uh? Yeah they title these things with some cornball name yeah The encryption debate or something and But I decided to just pull a couple of short well A number of short clips that are pretty much short And I can tell you the conclusion right up front

1:33:05 The government doesn't know what they're talking about, as in the representatives. Every single one of them had pieces wrong, misunderstanding... a lot of it was very repetitive Then they brought out the ample lawyer, Brian Sewell I think his name is. Not the big dog not the top dog but we figured would be the guy running it and this guy had a you know it was very odd and I think...I wouldn't call it kabuki theater but theater for sure But to start off with just uh to whet our appetite a bit because we mentioned him earlier, Ed Schultz on RT. You got to find out when he's on in your area John. He has like a hot Russian chick who is there kind of to hand him the stories and then he just gives his opinion but they've got infrastructure for them so he has libertarian presidential candidate John McAfee on the show

1:34:02 MacAfee, he's not stoned. He's not stoned as usual. They know he's not touching his nose the whole time but he's got to get that cool you know the goatee going and he's got the sunglasses hanging around his neck and I've always wondered, you know he keeps saying oh i can crack this in a half an hour half an hour give it to me. I'll take care of it and now I understand why he's saying that and what his idea is or his system which he says will bar him from ever being in the hacker community from this day on because he's revealing the secrets. He's like a magician yes. To make this issue simple for the American public and for the FBI who clearly does not understand

1:34:45 These devices are computers, whether it's an Android phone and iOS phone or whatever. Inside is a processor which is the computer, the instruction set which is the iOS on all of the applications that you run, and the memory in which you store your data Now, let's take the FBI case. The FBI wants Apple to change their software so that it removes the check for security so that we don't check for security anymore. Once it has that software, you can use that software on any phone but they say they only need it for one phone. So I'm going to tell the world exactly how we do this and now I'll probably lose my admission to the world hackers community however I want to tell ya'.

1:35:27 You need a hardware engineer and software engineer. The hardware engineer takes the phone apart, and it copies the instruction set which is the iOS applications and your memory And then you run a piece of program called a disassembler, which takes all the ones and zeros and gives you readable instructions. Then the coder sits down and he reads through it. What he's looking for is the first access to the keypad because that's the first thing you're doing when you input your pad. It'll take half an hour Now,

1:36:26 Do you think that this is actually something that could be done that way well? I know what he's saying yeah, I understand. You know he's going back there is It's interesting what he's trying to say because there is uh it's getting the code off the thing I'm not sure how you do that But I suppose is doable maybe that's what Apple's needed for now There's there some belief that the way this thing is structured, and there's a lot of encryption involved I understand in the code itself so the code isn't just running straight up.

1:37:06 And that means, this is the error 53 or whatever it is. Yeah that's part of the secure enclave thing with the... It's a part iOS 9 if you would try to take your phone apart and put it back together because say it had a bad button And you want to take the phone apart, put a new button in and then put it back together. This error shows up and now the phone's bricked." Yeah but that has nothing to do with what he is talking about... No I know but i'm just saying there is a belief that The only reason that would happen when you go to iOS 9 is because according to the people who talk about this error, the phone is like a hole. It's like once somebody messes with one element of it because there's...it's like the whole phone requires a checksum let's say

1:37:58 And so you go in there and you pull that little piece of code out, and then try to run things again. There's still this checksum element that would look at it and say, no, no, this phone has been touched! And now the phone is bricked I don't know that he can get around that necessarily. Now maybe you can if... Well, but he's saying something different. He's saying before you take it apart, you hit the touchpad with just a couple of digits then you look in all the registries within the chip itself and that number has to show up somewhere and then you could do

1:38:35 Guess before an error 53 because that seems to appear only when you put it together and then upgrade the iOS That's when that happens, but yeah, that's technical. It doesn't really matter that much. We don't know we don't know I would like to see here's what I would do. Is Mac a V correct? Let's find out let's take a phone iPhone 5 encode it encrypt it, use the... you know turn everything on so it's safe and then give it to them and say okay crack this phone before you touch the FBI phone. Let's see if you can do it. If he can show that you can do a proof of concept with another phone not the one that you don't want screwed up then I say okay great now take the real phone and go for it

1:39:24 I have seen none, I have not seen this. No. I want to see that first. Well there were a couple other ideas on how to do this that came up in the conversation but first we start off with Mr. Comey and Mr. Comey had all kinds of little ditties that he just spread around uh... To me he was freewheeling He did not really have a grasp of the material. He got caught a lot on things he just had no idea it was honest. He said yeah i don't know, I dunno And here is his first start of the whole deal. I hear folks talk about keys and back doors, actually don't see that this way when there are issues about back doors This is about... There's already a door on that iPhone Essentially we're asking Apple take the vicious guard dog away Let us try and pick the lock The later phones as I understand the six and after they aren't doors So there isn't going to be can you take the guard dog away? And let us pick the lock

1:40:15 Hmm, so that was my ears perked up. Because this is clearly not just about these old phones, this entire charade is for something else. And we'll probably learn as we go through it and I do want to say that...I told you when you sent me the newsletter for proofread and said oh yeah I'll have my report on Apple which in the newsletter turned into Adam has discovered something big in the Apple case! Why are you roasting me bro? That was no fair! That was not fair! Why?! You were- I didn't say I had something big Well, you got some. This is big to me! Okay we continue Now we have... ah this is a congressman Nadler who does understand encryption Comey not so much Encryption software's free open source and widely available If Congress were to pass the law forcing US companies to provide law enforcement with access To encrypted systems would that loss stop bad actors from using their own encryption?

1:41:13 It would not. It would not? So the bad actors would just get around it? Sure, encryption's always been available to bad actors nations... so if we were to pass a law saying that Apple and whoever else had to put back doors or whatever you want to call them into their systems the bad actors that were cons- with all the appropriate with all the uh concomitant uh s- ooh good word concomitant Yes, I use that word. That's all the follow-up stuff? Is that what it means? No, stuff that happens in parallel Oh concomitants good word. I'm gonna learn another word Whoever else had to put back doors or whatever want to call them into their systems The bad actors they were concerned with all the appropriate with all the Concomitant Surrenders of privacy etc etc The bad actors could easily get around that by making their own encryption systems

1:42:07 The reason I'm hesitating is, I think we're mixing together two things. Data in motion and data at rest. Whoops! This is where he goes wrong. But...I am not quite sure what to say but data in motion, data at rest. Bad guys couldn't make their own phones But the bad guy... Wait, let me rewind that a bit. So he does not- He has such a lack of understanding he thinks that this encryption or at least his feigning lack of understanding is about the phone and not about just taking your file encrypting it and sending it off free and clear as an encrypted file The reason I'm hesitating is, I think we're mixing together two things. Data in motion and data at rest the bad guys couldn't make their own phones but the bad guys could always try and find a device that was strongly encrypted the big change here happened in the fall of 2014 when the companies flipped from available encryption to default And this is when Apple also stated as part of their terms-of-service and part of their legal guidelines for law enforcement agencies they said as of iOS 8

1:43:06 we no longer can provide the service of extracting data for you. And this, of course is when this really started and that's... Well let me stop there for a second wait This is really and this seems to stem because of the coincidental dates from the Snowden release Oh yes! Where Apple showed up on it on us on NSA or CIA slide in a deck Yes selling out to the government which at that time they arguably were doing Available encryption to default and that's the shadow going dark. But couldn't foreign companies and bad actors generally do that? Whatever we said? Sure, potentially people could say I love this American device but because i worry about a judge ordering access to it I'm gonna buy this phone from you know a Nordic country that's different in some way That could happen have a hard time seeing it happen a lot so it could happen. I knew you'd like that! What is he talking about?!

1:44:03 His mission is clearly to have devices in the United States created with a way for law enforcement, we'll get all that, for law enforcement to get it. Okay then we have Daryl Issa, famous for his technology prowess... ...for patenting and venting and marketing successfully the Viper car alarm system I don't know if he did more? But he seems to think that he's an expert in encryption security because of his Viper car alarm background. What else did he do? No, I thought he was an entrepreneur or some sort. Yeah but the Viper cars... So he is a troublemaker in these events though. And so he had an idea on how to get around the 10 tries you're busted and delay between every single attempt

1:44:58 Which it's no less reasonable than what McAfee was saying earlier, but he is really doing it to make a point. We have engaged all parts of the US government to see does anybody have a way short of asking Apple to do it with a 5C running iOS 9 and we don't. Ok well let us go through the 5c running iOS9 Does the 5c have a non-volatile memory in which all of the encrypted data and the selection switches for the phone settings are all located in that encrypted data? Hmm, hmm. This is a question but hmm... I don't know. Well it does take my word for it now because I invented Wait hold on why did he ask you a question that he knows the answer to Because he's making a point

1:45:47 He wants to make a point. But he's an asshole! That's what you do in these hearings, you set someone up with an answer and say well in fact they do It is the setup that's what they do. That means that you can't in fact remove from the phone all of its memory All of it non-volatile memory, it's disk drive if you will And send it over here and have a true copy of it That you could conduct infinite number attacks on Let's assume that You can make an infinite number copies once you make one copy right? Right I have no idea. I don't know Well, let's go through what you asked and I'm doing this because I came out of the security business And this befuddles me that this is car alarms is now the security business according to ISA I'd like it haven't looked at the source code and You don't really understand the disk drive at least answer my rather you know dumb questions if you will if there's only a

1:46:40 a memory and that memory, that non-volatile memory sits here. And there's a chip and the chip does have encryption code that was burned into it You can make 10,000 copies of this chip this non volatile memory hard drive Then you can you can perform as many attacks as you want on it now. You've asked specifically Apple to defeat the finger code So you can attack it automatically so you don't have to punch in codes? You've asked them to eliminate the the ten and destroy But you haven't as far as I know I like that tenant destroys them okay I like that idea. That could also possibly work

1:47:43 It might. Unless the guy's got a 40 character password, which you can do with an apple Yeah But we're pretty sure he did Nobody has that Well we know he didn't because they look at the phone and it could be well wait actually You're right We don't know that I've been asked that question The question is how can you come before this committee? And before a federal judge and demand that somebody else invent something if you can't answer the questions That your people have tried this think that Comey came unprepared and he should have expected this. And at this point, I'm also asking what the hell is this whole thing about? What are they having a conversation about? All right first we need some more explaining to do

1:48:24 for the, I presume that's how Comey talks to his team. Okay? I got to tell these boneheads what exactly is going on. They don't understand secure enclave and then the 1010 and destroy and the timeouts. And how do I, how do I explain it? I want to make a stop you here for a second. Just as a little commentary, please. Because I was reading some article about oh we have to do these and of course there's the women in the chicken coop one of them said well you know the government is pretty poor with technology so i'm reading it one other magazines or newspapers about how the government looking for the best hackers the best guys people at that hack the pentagon exercise they want all these things and then but meanwhile if you talk to anybody in the community

1:49:07 They don't want anybody that's actually competent because they won't pass the security checks. Because they smoke weed? They're not squeaky clean, some of them are transgender god what we gonna do with that? Oh noes! You can't you know it if... Hi I'm Tank Girl and im here to hack the iPhone If the government won't find a way to use these people, the real hackers, the guys who are a lot of them are asocial. Some of them are aspurgers and they have all kinds of... And a lot of them don't want to work against the government

1:49:45 A lot of them would though with the kind of money they can get or even consult. Well, that's... The government has nothing to do with them! They have to have consultants they can't hire them. They can't hire them. They can't. Because government you know we have a cyber force which is all volunteer there's no money these guys are getting stocked they're getting all yeah screw it screw you Okay, so anyway Comey has to explain to the stupid people what the concept is between encrypted data which they want to get at. Which I guess is 256 DES encrypted you know good luck with that But first we have to remove the guard dog and he has to explain this in simple terms. Here we go So rather than giving you the key, it's really... You want Apple To turn the security system off so they can get into the phone or you can get into the phone Yeah my homely metaphor was take away the drooling watchdog that is going to attack us if we try and open it Give us time to pick the lock

1:50:42 Country of metaphors so nice okay, then we have Gaudi. I like the drooling the truly as the drooling guard He has to be drooling is a watchdog good enough no This is all about sound bites Then we get Trey Gowdy Gowdy, he wants Apple to open it up. And he has a couple of beautiful terms in here and he's just an interesting guy to listen to in general. Of course, he is also an attorney. I have colleagues and others who are advocating for these evidence-free zones. Nice! Evidence free zones? Ah, this is when we're getting down to brass tacks. They're just going to be complete. It's a great term. What he's talking about is having a device for the first time in history

1:51:28 that is only accessible to the person who holds the key in their head and no one else can open it. So this is part of what the conversation's about. These evidence-free zones, they're just going to be compartments of life where you are precluded from going to find evidence of anything and I'm trying I'm trying to determine whether or not we as a society are going to accept that, that there are certain no matter how compelling the government's interest is and accessing that evidence. We're declaring right now this is an evidence free zone you can go here no matter whether it's a terrorist plot national security There's nothing that the government has more compelling interest in than that And we're gonna create evidence-free zones? Am I missing something? Is that

1:52:20 Is that how you see it? That you just can't go in these categories unless somebody consents. That's my worry and why I think it is so important we have this conversation because even on the surface, I think it sounds great when people say hey if you buy this device no one will ever be able to look at your stuff But there are times when law enforcement saves our lives, rescues our children. Okay okay so there it is this but there's what Comey is really talking about that we cannot have evidence-free zones because not that they want to do proper law enforcement no He's gonna come up with a whole, and he doesn't even use terrorism in his argument. No because your children may be lost you know we might not be able to solve them homicide Our children? And rescues our neighborhoods by going to a judge and getting permission to look at our stuff Rescues our neighborhood So again I come to the case of the Baton Rouge eight-month pregnant woman shot when she opens her door Her mom says she keeps a diary on her phone We can't look at the diary to figure out what might have been going on in her life

1:53:17 because we could have some resolve for her. Who is she texting with? That's a problem, I love privacy all of us also love public safety and it's so easy to talk about buy this amazing device you'll be private but you have to take the time to think okay there's that... You hear what he's saying John this is the worry Apple wants to have a complete evidence-free device, evidence free zone and then law enforcement does not want it But you have to take the time to think, okay there's that and what are the costs of that? And that's where this collision is coming in. Well, I love privacy too but i want my fellow citizens to understand that most of us also in varying degrees also love our bodies and the physical integrity of our body. I love this analogy But since Schmerber, the government has been able to access orders for either blood against the will of the defendant or in some instances surgical procedures against the will of the defendant

1:54:14 The defendant has something in his anal cavity. I've always wondered why the Supreme Court went in that direction because it seems, and you talk about they can't...I think some places you have your DNA extracted but the blood thing or even the breath test all of rest of it. I don't see how any of those things is not the same as testifying against yourself I just don't see it. You don't have to testify against, you don't have to go on in front of a court, did you kill that person? I refuse to be on the grounds of whatever. Well this is why he's bringing it up obviously

1:54:55 But, you know...I don't have that because it wasn't all that interesting. But there were counter-arguments to that why that analogy does not play. Well I also think this is not about any of these discussions at all is about marketing. Correct we're getting there Apple can sell a phone has got a backdoor in or anything else? We still have to come up with some whack job scenarios where, you know Apple is the gatekeeper and oh my god and how is this gonna work? And this is Ted Deutsch. Ted Douche with Comey This one of my favorite answers from Comey I also think it's something the judge will sort out Apple's contention which again I believe is made in good faith Is that there would be substantial risk around creating this software On the government side count us skeptical although we could be wrong because I think the government's argument is That's your business to protect

1:55:48 your software, your innovation. This would be usable in one phone? What could possibly go wrong how could Apple I mean what can happen with Apple who can clearly do this work if they refuse How could it still get out John what could happen You got me. But again, that's something the judge is going to have to sort out it's not an easy question if if it's if it's the case though that it's usable and more than one phone and that applies beyond there then the public safety concerns uh... that we may have that a lot of us have about what would happen if the bad guys got access to our phones in our children's phones um...in that case those are really valid aren't they

1:56:29 Sure, the question that I think we're going to have litigation about is how reasonable is that concern? And you know slippery slope arguments are always attractive but I mean I suppose you could say well Apple's engineers have this in their head what if they're kidnapped and forced to write software. That's why the judge has to sort this out between good lawyers on both sides making all reasonable arguments Yeah yeah that can happen he doesn't understand that Apple ultimately holds the key I mean any device that has automatic software updates You know, Apple holds the key to bloating software. But OK it's yeah they could get kidnapped give us the key. Give us the 256 DES encrypted keys many rocky and bowling kinds of Boris Boris give us the key.

1:57:11 Oh man. Alright, now Comey not to be outdone by ISA has his own little meme words that he wants to bring into the conversation as he explains the main crux of what is going on here. You do have a reasonable expectation of privacy in your home in your car and in your devices The government under our Constitution's required overcome that By going to an independent judge making showing a probable cause... Interesting interpretation of the constitution He says the Constitution requires to overcome that in order to get evidence. But the Constitution doesn't necessarily provide that requirement, it says here is what you... Here under only one circumstance can you do this perform this type of action a search and that is when you have probable cause and then a warrant there's very specific language about a warrant and what it can do so

1:58:10 No, it's a word game at this point. In your home in your car and in your devices the government under our Constitution is required to overcome that by going to an independent judge making showing of probable cause and getting a warrant We need to talk about as a country is we're moving to a place where there are warrant proof places in our life Warrant-proof places these guys are good And yes these devices are spectacular because they do hold our whole lives. They're different than a briefcase, they're different than a drawer so it is a source with a place with a tremendous reasonable expectation of privacy but if we are going to move to a place where that is not possible to overcome that That's the world we've never lived in before in United States That has profound consequences for public safety and all I'm saying is We shouldn't drift there

1:58:58 Right? Companies that sell stuff shouldn't tell us how to be, the FBI shouldn't tell us how to be. The American people should say... ...the world is different, how do we want to BE and figure that out." Okay now it turns out that's what everyone there for is to get an opinion from the public We need to sway the public left or right either we want a warrant proof device with evidence-free zones included Now! With evidence free zones Dude, we gotta get on this Warrant Proof Phone. Now with evidence-free zone at Best Buy Well, I don't know how that's different than like for example

1:59:35 putting a 256 on a complete hard disk. There's number of ways you can encrypt the entire hard disk. That's an evidence-free zone, right there? Yeah! Well they're not talking about that. No but they talk about marketing... It seems to me that a hard disk which is an older technology has had this available to it for some time and nobody's bitching about that. As we go along you'll notice this whole thing is bullcrap As we go into... now we get the Apple lawyer, Bruce Sewell. And he uses an analogy here which may tie into the Second Amendment argument that we were listening to from that tech podcast who said you know encryption is defined as weaponized technology therefore it's a part of arms and could be protected under the Second Amendment which I liked

2:00:30 Yeah, it was outstanding. And I think the Apple lawyer drops a little clue here that may be part of their ultimate defense although it didn't come up anywhere else in the four and half hours We are moving to end-to-end encryption on many devices and apps not just Apple iPhones Why is that happening? I think it's a combination of things from our perspective at Apple It's because We see ourselves as being in an arms race, in an arms race with criminals cyber terrorists hackers. assured that their information cannot be accessed, cannot be hacked or stolen. So from our perspective that end-to-end encryption move is an effort to improve the safety and security of our phones." So he's talking about it as if they're in an arms race and these are the weapons of this war but it didn't come up further on they did talk about other constitutional amendments. I have a question

2:01:38 And let's assume that encryption back in the Phil Zimmerman era was considered an arms situation, I don't know, arms something. And it was illegal to... Oh it's defined as such for Intel they define an exportation laws. You can't export this you can't export that there's still a bunch of these products out there you can't export too even though there is good encryption coming out of Switzerland that we make okay correct you can't export this you can't export that Why doesn't the government put some leverage on the Apple thing? You know, these phones are all laced with encryption that you can't export them. Why don't we just clamp down on that part if you wanted to really do it? That could happen...could possibly happen I don't know. It would be very good. Well there would be a lot of leverage Yeah And then dudes named Ben...Why are we so lax

2:02:36 I have not looked into the depth of the encryption, the export law. Um...I know it got overturned but i think that was for Intel but um..i don't know someone out there will know and will be able to tell us for sure then i think that the dudes named Ben and uh another privacy experts in our producing audience will love this next clip But never would I expect to hear a representative for Apple promoting a completely compromised product as safe. Once they get in there, they could find all kinds of other restrictions that Apple has no control over right? With regard to apps that are on the phone with regard to various other communications features that the consumer may have chosen to put on there is

2:03:19 correct? That's absolutely right Mr. Chairman one of the most pernicious apps that we see in the terrorist space is something called Telegraph, Telegraph is an app that can reside on any phone it has nothing to do with Apple it can be loaded either over the internet or it could be loaded outside of the country and this is a method of providing absolutely uncrackable communications now everybody in the security industry says this is a horrible app it's completely yeah compromised yeah we do we both installed and we came to that if you were gonna say signal which is what all the military guys use when talking amongst themselves you know yes signals different

2:04:12 I don't know what it is, but maybe this is part of a scheme. Isn't called telegram? I thought was telegram. Is it telegraph by uninstalling gram could be telegram. I think he said telegraph. I think it's telegram Wait, let's find out. You look it up and I'll listen to him again see what he says Once they get in there they could find all kinds of other restrictions that Apple has no control over right? With regard to apps that are on the phone with regard to various other communications features that uh... The consumer may have chosen to put on there is that correct? That's absolutely right Mr. Chairman, one of the most pernicious apps that we see in the terrorist space is something called Telegraph. He says Telegraph I think it's telegram looking yeah it's telegram yeah he says telegraph so he doesn't even have that right

2:04:58 Here's their site software. Yeah, yeah I mean void zero is the one that was all over my ass about that you know void zero we don't even know his real name he says he so secure He's another one of those guys they won't hire oh no Let me see Smokes weed check on the spectrum check Lanky and somewhat awkward check Perfect for no agenda. Yeah, perfect for any kind of security work but this I was just listening to this sewer guy He's also saying once they get it a lot of bull crap in this one They could find all kinds of other restrictions that Apple has no control over right with regard to apps that are on the phone with regard to various other communications features that The consumer may have chosen to put on there is that

2:05:47 Correct. That's absolutely right, Mr Chairman one of the most pernicious apps that we see in the terrorist space Terrorist space nice is something called telegraph Telegraph Telegraph is an app that can reside on any phone It has nothing to do with- That of course is crap because they can block or ban any app they want from the Apple store Oh yeah apple can in particular Yeah They get they can even remove it They can remove it so can Google They can remove any uh Any app they want, but you can sideload on Android. See that's a lie! Well it is kind of a lie over the internet... But you have total control over what apps are allowed to install on your iPhone

2:06:31 And why would this guy be up there and saying the wrong name of the product? Okay, good. We'll jump ahead and we'll wrap this up because this is exactly where we need to be with this conversation I'm now three-and-a-half hours into this...I'm getting pissed! Because all i'm hearing is people... Why are you getting pissed?! Because these moronic congressmen and women they just want to get an education on something that they don't comprehend from people who do not explain it It was a complete circle jerk of bullcrap Really oh yeah, oh yeah so sense and Brenner who's his old coot? What's is a sense and Brenner? I think what he from. Oh look it up

2:07:16 Well, we scored on the telegraph versus telegram. That's the level of sophistication Apple sends to the United States Congress for their conversation what is going on? I can tell you what's going on as I continue to stall a bit longer and see if you come up with Sensenbrenner name and district and state. Jim Sensenbrenner is a member of the Republican Party he is representing Wisconsin's 5th. John and Adam you really filled that time up it worked perfectly good work Okay. This is... So what is this? And he's a Republican blowhard, I've seen him before and don't like this guy Well he nailed it on this one and with this segment and the final ones which are 30 seconds showed me that this is a delay tactic This is set up to delay, well I'll give you my belief after these two clips but By the way

2:08:09 Just like have this thing open. His net worth is 21 million dollars. Yeah, well what are you eating? Oh I'm sorry a lozenge? Mm-hmm What kind of cherry? You know i don't like to cough Is it a cherry flavor No, it's actually the original flavored... what's that thing? Sucrette? Oh no. Oh, sucrettes man! I love sucrettes. It's... I can't remember the name and threw a little packet of... oh here it is. It's like a Norr's or what the hell is this stuff? It comes in little wrapper Ricola? Ricola. Yeah, yeah it's the original Ricola. The original not that all Ricola and you know the other ones it's the original original in a yellow package fantastic product

2:08:58 Onward. This is a delay tactic as you'll hear what is going on because Sensenbrenner finally asked the appropriate question We would be forced to do the very thing which we think Is an issue and should be decided by the American people, we'd be forced to create the table Now what's your proposed legislative response? Do you have a bill for us to consider I did not have a bill for you Okay thank you that answers that Now, the FBI has provided some fairly specific policy proposals to ensure that law enforcement can access encrypted data with a warrant. What policy proposal would Apple support? You don't like what the FBI said. What's your specific response? What we're asking for Congressman is a debate on this I don't have a proposal, I don't have a solution for it but what i think we need to do

2:09:49 an appropriate and fair hearing at this body which exists to convene, deliberate and decide issues of legislative importance. We think that the problem here is we need to get the right stakeholders in the room. This is not a security versus privacy issue, this is a security versus security issue and that balance should be struck, we think by Congress Well you know let me make this observation having dealt with the fallout of Snowden revelations and the drafting and garnering support of USA Freedom Act I can tell ya' I don't think your gonna like what comes out of congress

2:10:28 Congress, we will follow the law that comes out of this process. We certainly understand... Okay okay well the thing is I don't understand you don't like what's being done with a lawfully issued warrant You're operating in a vacuum. You've told us what you don't like, you said that Congress ought to debate and pass legislation. You haven't told us one thing about what you do like! When are we going to hear of what you DO like so that Apple has a positive solution uh...to what you were complaining about? You said it's Congress' job to do it. Now we won't shirk from that, this hearing is a part of this debate The FBI has provided some policy suggestions on that You haven't said what Apple will support So all you've been doing is saying no-no-no-no Uh huh That's correct

2:11:25 So they are there just wasting Congress's time? I think Senator Brennan is right on the money here. Yeah! And the thing that caught me about what he said, so I've changed my attitude toward him instantly You're allowed, you're allowed. Are you now pro-abortion? What got me kind of... which I think is overlooked here... Flip flopper Right off the bat he asked do you have a bill or anything Have you written anything that we can like pass And let us level here John The only reason anyone's ever in Washington is to lobby for a bill Yes. You've got like people up there ready to listen? You're in the thing, you got the gear on the catbird seat he asked him do you have a bill for us that for us to consider maybe work on because this would because you're the ones that have the problem give us a bill we'll look at and see what's going on Because that's what you obviously here to promote they got nothing Nothing He wants a debate he wants a discussion let's continue No conversation into the night Yeah

2:12:27 Where's the bill, Apple? In my opinion this is a delay tactic. It could be one of two things. Either A.) Apple who are well known to be years ahead with their product line have the warrant-free evidence free zone device ready to go and they're worried about the launching and what implications there could be because that will be their marketing is this is the warrant free evidence-free, warrant proof evidence-free zone phone. Ooh! Evidence-free zone phone BAM I'm a regular Kanye or they want to delay this as long as possible until they actually do launch the phone

2:13:16 It all depends on... But this is just running around in circles. No one wants anything, but what do you think? You really wanted to do a job on this from a marketing perspective I'd say this. The way they should do this so you've got the evidence free phone it's the iPhone 7, iPhone 8 we don't know but you're right they're out and already out about a year or two and they take this and say okay well here's how you can crack the five This is not good. We don't know what to do." The 5 is now...it takes the 5 off, it says the 5 is crackable! We can't continue like this we'll have a defunct iPhone 7 there's not possible to get into under any circumstances and that would be a whole marketing scheme starting with the five cracking the five they should cooperate cracked the five and say this is the problem don't buy a five

2:14:10 Sell your fives get out of the five's got a great upgrade skip this is a skip to say get it seven man I'm talking a quarter like you've never seen before that would be dynamite. They would kill the whole market Yeah, because you can't trust any other phone But that doesn't seem to be what they're doing well They lost their touch and this seems really good marketing opportunity This is my problem with this guy who doesn't even know that the difference between telegraph and telegram So he's not read in properly and even no matter what he calls it, that's a well known compromised app. We even know it you know but that's like oh are you in cahoots with everybody? But

2:14:54 A law enforcement, Comey said two things. He said we cannot have something that pretty much violates our constitutional requirement to go and find documents when we have a warrant or proper order from the court but he also said American people, what do you want it to be? Do you trust your government to open up your phone when necessary... ...when you've been killed and everyone wants to know who shot you. Or when your kid is missing and maybe can find some location data. Nothing about terrorism that he said or do you want your warrant proof evidence free zone phone Now He's there to promote the fact that you don't want that because think of the children

2:15:41 But Apple on the other hand just seems to just be I mean Sewell He's a cheaper guy than the Olsen guy, but I think they're just you know You go. You go just run around for a bit and don't answer anything and just start a conversation No, I'm saying well, it's no sense anyway So he they wore him down the guy got tired of lawyer then we finally Got to the bottom The defense they will be using against any type of law, court order etc. And it's two amendments do you want to gander I guess which two amendments play here according to the Apple Defense?

2:16:22 I wouldn't have a clue. Bear in mind that what we're being asked to do is to write the brand new computer code, write a new operating system The law with respect to the applicability of computer code to speech i think it's well established so this is a compelled speech by the government for the purpose of the government which is a first amendment problem Which is absolutely first amendment problem and bear in mind that this speach which apple does not want to make This our position on... I like that It's funny. Yeah, we don't want to make that speech. Well it's interesting why is a computer code patented and not copyrighted then if it's speech? Can you patent speech? I know why! It used to be copyrighted and then somebody said...I remember in the days in the 80s or 70s and early 80s when everyone said oh you can't patent software you can copywrite it

2:17:16 And the copywriting is fine, but people discovered that because of the nature of a patent. That they kept trying to get it patented when that one guy I worked in the Clinton administration who actually heard debate. I think he was debating Larry Lessig or something. I don't remember is the Commonwealth Club by having to be the moderator this guy This maniac that took over the patent office said, yeah fine! Patent it. And so he started this software patent revolution and it's ruined the country and this guy was such a maniac I asked him specifically myself... Why'd you do that bro? Sorry? You said hey broseph why did you do that

2:17:58 I asked him a question, the way he sees copyrights. Is it possible to patent... or patents? I said is it possible to patent of football play? Oh yeah! Which I thought was a good question He says well the patents have to have some technological basis and so that followed up with what if it was a play based on timing Yeah! Exact timing It's patentable Great I said what?! That was that. As far as I was concerned, this guy was nuts! The Wishbone Formation now trademarked by John C. DeVore. Patented. Patent it? Well you can't run it no one else could run the play Yeah, no wishbone for you You can sue them That's my one... It's the one play I know of the Wishbone Formation The Wishbone. It's like from the 60s I'm impressed with my knowledge of football Yeah very modern Look they're pulling a wishbone everybody Pulling your wishbones means something else today

2:18:56 Hold on. Hey, I just want to write that down for myself and then the final amendment And these are their defenses. This is what they will take to the Supreme Court if necessary, but they don't want that They want big grandstanding and marketing in Congress. ...speech by the government for the purpose of... Which is a First Amendment problem? ...which is absolutely first amendment problem and bear in mind that this speech which Apple does not want to make This is our position on the Fifth Amendment The issue was conscription the issue is forced activity force labor There you go Conscription. Force activity, force labor. It is forced labor! But this is not the way... This is an argument. But they want to do that under the Fifth Amendment? Because there's lots of people who are... First, second or first. I mean there's cases where tons of judges have ordered people to give up information forcing them to speak. You real talk! Ja, wie er wees at making you talk. Bring back waterboarding and you'll find out

2:20:01 I'm sorry, that was my Trump impression. Boy! That's bad... I know Do you want to take a break now? Uh- I'll take any feedback on my little segment there My little patch Well that was a great segment and we learned a lot Just like i said in the newsletter Yeah there wasn't no big huge bomb It WAS a bomb There was a BOMB! I'm gonna show my salute by donating To No Agenda Imagine all the people who could do that Oh yeah that'd be fab On NO AGENDA Before you do anything, John go to evidencefreezone.com Did you get it? Someone in the chat room got it for us They grabbed it good Yeah Links to the No Agenda Show Of course it does

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2:25:21 I could not find the right focal length to read that sucks. I'm sorry And we have a title change today Dame Francine the long time supporter of the podcast becomes a baroness Good, although she said on the face bag you was he said on the face bag She wanted to be a Baron It's fun because when you do that, you see all the other facebaggers trying to understand what the hell she is talking about and no one understands. Except for the No Agenda people. Yeah, facebaggers...that's what we're using as our new term. Yes! I remember introducing it in a meeting actually. We had a meeting and said let's call them facebaggers that's funnier. That's perfect. That's good work

2:26:10 Well, I just...I got stuff but i just did a long segment so... But like... Let's go with uh let's talk about this. The crisis is continuing of course in the EU and we wonder what you mean not this but that Yes, let's listen to what Samantha Powers has to say about this question that she got from Judy Woodruff on the news hour. From the Middle East we've been telling their story day after day as you know The top US general at NATO Philip General Phillip Breedlove said the other day That he believes that ISIS is now spreading in his words like a cancer among these refugees Is that your understanding of what's going on now?

2:26:50 Well, I mean... I think certainly we have seen ISIS turning up in European cities. We've seen the Paris attacks There's a lot of homegrown extremism People who are first generation who've been born in European countries Who have taken to extremism What is important Is that the systems we have To process people Most of whom The vast majority Of them are just in desperate need that the systems we have are sufficient to actually be able to run fingerprint checks, look into backgrounds and so forth. And that's the great disadvantage of this flood is it has been much harder for Europe to manage than our program where were able to deliberate over these refugee files for 18 months to make sure we get it right

2:27:38 Oh man, who gives a crap? These people are dying. Vast vast vast she says Can I do an insert little clip here Yes This is from the EU Council President Donald Tusk of Poland He's very clear on where the EU stands on migrants European Council President Donald Tusk has warned potential migrants not to risk coming to Europe Speaking after talks with the Greek Prime Minister Alexis Tsipras, Tusk said unilateral actions by EU member states is hurting solidarity and must stop. I want to appeal to all potential illegal economic migrants wherever you are from do not come to Europe

2:28:30 Okay, that's clip of the day. Oh thank you it's not even over yet It just ended there I'll just end it Wait a minute I gotta ISO that hold on a second Do no- do not come to Europe Wherever you are from... DO NOT COME TO EUROPE That's a great ISO You're from Okay, but keep it right there That was fabulous Alright. The only ISO I collected, I was gonna put it in the clip blitz but i'm going to give it to you now is the Clinton history books ISO Oh yeah! Now I saw a picture of this Yesterday was one for the history books History books? Yeah history books Put that into montage bucket here Oops did I get the right one? Okay Um alright Well let's go with- Let me buy them on it Okay well I have more short and funnies Okay play em Short and Funnies

2:29:35 I got a lot of, you know... I'm obsessed with the migrant. Okay well Britain and France so Britain is talking about the Brexit leaving the European Union and France is very clear what will happen if they do that. France has warned Britain that it will let thousands of migrants head to its shores if the country opts to leave the EU Take that you limey ass! We're sending all these stinkers your way, right through the channel. In an interview with The Financial Times French economy minister Emmanuel Macron said a Brexit would affect a deal which allows Britain to maintain border controls in France His view echoes recent comments by British Prime Minister David Cameron that a migrant camp in Calais known as the jungle could move to southern England if Britain leaves the EU

2:30:20 Thousands of migrants fleeing war and poverty have converged on the French port over the past year. But with Cameron meeting French President Francois Hollande for security and migration talks today, opponents of EU membership say Macron's comments are part of a carefully orchestrated campaign to scare British voters. So what they're saying by the way we got a clip from The Jungle Tear Down apparently they were tearing that thing down yeah there is video everywhere But so what the guy is saying is that if the British leave the EU, they're going to pack a train full of cargo cars or something. Fill them up with these five or ten thousand these guys. Everybody on the train! Everybody on the train! Not necessarily good idea coming from Europe but...

2:31:11 Shoot the train over there and then before anyone can do anything they open up all the cargo doors and run for it. You know, the train thing reminds me of another clip that I picked up... On the site of former Nazi concentration camp Dachau outbuildings that used to belong to the complex's herb garden are now being used to house refugees Once a place of fear and death children can now be seen playing on the sites where inmates were forced to spend hours toiling in the cold and rain Everybody on the train to Dachau! Man, this is if that but this should be a subject of such outrage It's should be but nobody's outraged by Trump. Yeah, there's one Germans the Germans are worried sick about Trump Here's the gears from the Deutsche Welle. This isn't what the Germans are thinking about Trump How would the German government feel about seeing Donald Trump as? The next US president

2:32:01 Well, on a visit to Washington Germany's foreign minister Frank-Walter Steinmeier indirectly criticized the Republican frontrunner stance on migration and what he called the politics of fear. Trump himself has taken aim at Berlin policies in his campaign leaving many to wonder how relations between the two countries would change if indeed he ends up winning Peaceful and in recent years friendly once again could describe the mood between the US Secretary of State and Germany's foreign minister, and transatlantic relations overall. But now German policy makers feel this friendship is at risk And all because of this man Donald Trump It's unlikely he'll ever be a close friend to Germany To him that crazy country that takes in refugees

2:32:52 We're not letting the Syrians come into our country. You have no idea who they were, they could be ISIS! Look at what's happened with Germany look at what's happened to Sweden look at what's happened to Brussels it's not gonna happen to our country This shrill tone is worrying Germany's otherwise sedate foreign policymakers. Donald Trump as US president is something that the German Foreign Minister didn't want to directly comment on in Washington Instead he had these words to say to a group of students In Germany and in Europe, something is gaining momentum in our domestic politics. And to be honest, I'm also seeing it here in the United States during the primary campaigns It's the politics of fear. It is dangerous for Europe and the US. It's bad for the world and in the end it will also be bad for our transatlantic relations." Leading Democrat candidate Hillary Clinton at least has the advantage of being predictable from the foreign ministers' point-of-view They've known each other since her days as Secretary of State The German government views Clinton as a far better choice than Trump

2:33:56 I'm glad you played that clip, for it accentuates that all the opposition to the elitist people who want a multicultural society and everything be Kumbaya. We're all in a way we don't see color or on the gray world whatever They all are accused of the same thing by the established elite. They're Nazis, they're far right, they're racists, xenophobes, bigots, nut jobs, whack jobs, religious crazies... All the things that the established elite, which is a socialist concept of we're all happy. No you're all gray! I grew up in a socialist country. You gray... That's why the Russian trucks, yeah, the government everything grey, everything is gray! Think gray! Well let me say that because I was doing it. I've got this little thing going on Twitter where I do the forgotten cars

2:34:53 Yeah, I like that a lot. A lot of people seem to like it so I'm continuing it and one of the things I noticed...I was thinking there's even an essay possibly in this about the gray thing which you just said I'm looking at these cars, and especially in the 1950s after World War II. These cars are colorful and this brought to mind because...I did one car that was an old Willys or a Rio or something and it was yellow. And somebody said, oh, yellow car! Crazy! They had two-tone cars, three-tone cars that were just astonishing looking by today's standards that were pink and black and all these different colors. Pink, black, and white is one of their color schemes on Dodge.

2:35:32 I gray, light beige. Were these cars also priced lower? The grey cars with just a lower price to incentivize people to enter their life of greenness? They always used to have these things called stripped down models and those are always the cheap cars but no there wasn't I mean you could still get a car any color you wanted but there was a huge variety as long as it's gray. Sorry? Any car you want as long as its gray

2:36:11 Well, nowadays I'm looking there's gray white black. Black white this is the three colors i see There's a light beige...I'm looking at the freeway There's a light beige as white there's gray There's black car every once in awhile White white white grey grey grey And there goes the socks! I have not seen a yellow or even blue car go by Blue was like whoa what a wild car Yeah, well that seems to be... It's a reflection of the society. Yes it seems to be what people are trained to do just see everything grey. Everybody is grey as in. Well I like the colors. I like all the colorful people The Invalids those are my favorite Anyway I'm still looking out there for blue or red car and haven't seen one How about the Zephyr? Or yellow. The Zephyr. The Zephyr is long gone

2:37:12 Alright, you wanna do a clip blitz? A little short ones. Uh... hold on a second You want to do a clip blitz? Yep we can do that. Everybody here we go time out! Blitz, blitz. All right, Joe, why don't you clip Blitz? Bring it on. Bill O'Reilly dragging wife. Bill O'Reilly dragging wife E-I-E-I-O Fox News host Bill O'Reilly has lost residential custody of his two teenage children following a lengthy custody battle during which his 17 year old daughter told the forensic examiner that she watched O'Reilly dragging her mother down a staircase by her neck

2:37:48 Although the New York appeals court ruled O'Reilly's two children should live solely with their mother, Maureen McPhilmy, O'Reilly still maintained shared legal custody over them. Red 33! All right, Clint Blitz, Clint Blitz, Clint Blitz! Bill Clinton G. We should have the list known beforehand. Very affected. by the fascist attempt to take over in Spain. So I bought out of the army, then I didn't know how to get to Spain till one day I was going to work and... What is that? I'm sorry thought that was Bill Clinton. That was an error. Concord 2

2:38:43 Oh man, this is a good one John. Well supersonic air travel could soon be on course for a comeback! Flying faster than the speed of sound is something the Concorde jet made possible until it was taken out of service 13 years ago but now NASA has awarded a 20 million dollar contract to American defense contractor Lockheed Martin to develop a new supersonic aircraft The plane is to have a passen- the plan, rather, is to have a passenger plane ready for takeoff by the year 2020. Well some conditions have already been set... The supersonic plane will have to be more fuel efficient and a whole lot quieter than the good old Concorde. It has to be green!

2:39:26 Green Concorde. This is where I get to tell my my my concord trivia because we never talk about the Concorde at one, the Concorde after crashed in Germany with a German company that had leased it out for a party bad day, a real day record that was did receive an airworthiness certificate and was scheduled to make its maiden voyage reentering into the aviation world on what date? September 11th you nailed it That's right, September 11th 2001. There you go and I flew on the Concorde a couple times Yeah well i'm gonna fly on this next one yeah Onward with Clip Blitz Google car Yeah I heard about this one Well meanwhile google says One of its self-driving cars has hit a bus The accident in the city of Mountain View

2:38:43 Oh man, this is a good one John. Well supersonic air travel could soon be on course for a comeback! Flying faster than the speed of sound is something the Concorde jet made possible until it was taken out of service 13 years ago but now NASA has awarded a 20 million dollar contract to American defense contractor Lockheed Martin to develop a new supersonic aircraft The plane is to have a passen- the plan, rather, is to have a passenger plane ready for takeoff by the year 2020. Well some conditions have already been set... The supersonic plane will have to be more fuel efficient and a whole lot quieter than the good old Concorde. It has to be green!

2:39:26 Green Concorde. This is where I get to tell my my my concord trivia because we never talk about the Concorde at one, the Concorde after crashed in Germany with a German company that had leased it out for a party bad day, a real day record that was did receive an airworthiness certificate and was scheduled to make its maiden voyage reentering into the aviation world on what date? September 11th you nailed it That's right, September 11th 2001. There you go and I flew on the Concorde a couple times Yeah well i'm gonna fly on this next one yeah Onward with Clip Blitz Google car Yeah I heard about this one Well meanwhile google says One of its self-driving cars has hit a bus The accident in the city of Mountain View

2:40:26 I love that one. It was going two miles an hour, but still it proved that it made an unwise decision based upon the science and the algorithm which I just call skip logic. Yeah And this is all anti-Google self driving car? I think so. I think this is a beginning where we're gonna see a bunch of these kinds of things. Here's a story nobody has played up at all and I think its important This is the Iraq update dam In Iraq, U.S. officials are warning the country's largest dam is facing a quote unprecedented risk of catastrophic failure The US Embassy warns if the Mosul Dam collapses hundreds of thousands of people would be at risk of drowning and more than 1 million people would be displaced Meanwhile, a spate of deadly suicide bombings by ISIL in Iraq have killed more than 130 people over the last few days

2:41:19 I've seen this crop up. We talked about this on the show a while ago, when Mosul Dam was also in play. Oh if they blow that up then all these people downstream will die and they're bringing this back for some reason. Let me finish Clip Blitz with my favorite story. This is a Bay Area story. This cop fights prisoners. Formal charges have been filed against two San Francisco Sheriff's deputies and a former deputy They're all accused of forcing jail inmates to fight each other for entertainment in a gladiator style fight claw KTVU Henry Lin tells us that San Francisco's district attorney detailed the charges during a news conference today

2:42:03 San Francisco District Attorney George Gascón says the deputies forced county jail inmates Ricardo Garcia and Stanley Harris, who was much bigger than Garcia to fight each other at least twice in the jail on Bryant Street. Then Deputy Scott New allegedly told the two inmates that if they didn't fight each other he'd handcuff them mace or tase them beat them or send them to a different jail. This crime severely undermined their moral authority of the honest, hard-working deputies that work hard day in and day out to protect us. Public defender Jeff Adachi helped bring the allegations to light We call this sort of a Game Of Thrones gladiator fight Oh boy oh boy oh boy This is your police Yeah yeah gosh Board... prison guards Well John thank you very much That was I have to say a very very good clip

2:42:56 That's right, gonna give you a wish. Boom-chakalaka! Bingo boom-boom chakalaka laka boom boom boom boom boom chakalaka boom boom... That's right everybody and that should wrap it up John I think so I think it wraps it up for me Outstanding. Well, I have... What do we have? We didn't get- Oh! I have MH17 and MH370 news and I'll have it all on Sunday. Sunday. Sunday. I just want to tease that it is not a coincidence they find a possible piece of MH370 on the same day that there's a big brouhaha in Dutch Parliament about lack of government

2:43:35 Disclosure on the m817 over Ukraine That they don't even have never even looked at the radar images The u.s.. Has and this is turning this will turn into something big, and I'll have the report for you on Sunday Sunday Sunday Sunday Sunday, so I look forward to it Okay alright Oh, I met the mayor of Austin last night should talk about how long it's a male she she he he yeah He kind of a guy yeah nice guy bad suit Bad suit. Alright everybody, remember us for Sunday right here and coming to you from the skyscraper in downtown Austin Tejas, The Crackpot Condo in the morning everybody I'm Adam Curry And from Northern Silicon Valley where it looks like we're gonna start getting rain again even though we had a lot of really great weather for the last two weeks but looks like rains coming even though this probably gonna be mild so much for this bull crap El Nino

2:44:36 I'm John C. Dvorak and we'll talk to you again on Sunday right here on No Agenda Don't hate Do not come to Europe Okay, you know what? You're in my house drinking the booze Shame on ya Yesterday was one for the history books. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,

2:45:55 Donald, I understand rules are very hard for you. I have this book. Thank you for the books! Donald, you can get back in here. You're the best you could be. Yeah? Yeah? Yeah? You lose people around you. He qualified to be a detective.

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