Boeing vs. Airbus - The Flatulence Conspiracy

00:02 Adam Curry, John C. Dvorak from opposite corners of Gitmo Nation time again for No Agenda on this Thursday February 26 2009 This is No Agenda streaming from Gitmo Nation East from the Crackpot Command Center in Southwest London I'm Adam Curry And I'm John C. DeVorek here in Silicon Valley North, where it's raining... Heh heh heh! ...and it's nice and cloudy here in London as well Yes important music means important stuff coming your way! It's Crackpot & Buzzkill! In the morning! Hey John how you doing? It's good Yeah I miss you man We haven't actually we haven't spoken since the last show have we

00:49 No, no you've been in meetings. I have not I try to stay away from them and love the meetings we have because I've got Scott You know I use the same Skype connection that we're using for this show And so I can completely control everything I can mix all audio levels So yeah, I'm usually editing during the meetings Keep it here Oh Adam what? Call my name yeah, I'm here do you ever put a sound effect in absolutely Usually it's like a reverb or something, do something funny. Anyway I try to stay away from too many meetings. I do have one after the show today. New word out on the street? A new word! Octomom. Didn't someone offer her...

01:47 Uh, money to be in a porn? Yeah. Who wants to see that?! Who knows... I'd take the money. Octomom! Who fits in the octobox? You know what the octobox is? I used to. The Octobox is what they use on CNBC when they have eight people... Oh right, the Octobox! Eight people on the screen? Yeah, yeah. I've actually seen the DecaBox where they had ten people on the screen. Phenomenal. Then you know it's really important and he's like, oh stop everything let me turn up the volume. They've got the Octobox honey shh. The Octobox. It's bad enough.

02:50 is uh... the no pun intended because we're talking about how flatulence again and uh... sheep belching so there's a breaking aspect to it okay hit me apparently according all these articles as you showed up in fact in today's wall street journal turns out that she belching may account for twelve percent of man-made global warming Okay, this is in the Wall Street Journal you say? Yeah today's Wall Street Journal big story on sheep belching because the sheep apparently belch methane and then if I was looking this up a little bit and according to one story 12% of Australian greenhouse gases come from livestock flatulence.

03:35 Again, another breaking story. Meanwhile I'm looking at all these different stories and if you start scratching the surface of global warming or as they now call it climate change because the other word was getting rid of too much... It wasn't working anymore. Wasn't working but I like it. I still like it. Global warming sounds better So, if you scratch the surface of it you keep coming up with the same thing. Vegans with an agenda and vegetarians as though somebody came up with this neat idea some years ago that if you get on this global warming kick then you can attack livestock because at some point because they're belching and farting there's you could attribute global warming to them

04:22 And so I run into the newspaper in Ontario called The Standard, St. Catharines is the town, St. Catharine's Standard and i think they headline kind of like says it all and its about global warming but that the headline is we need to solve THE now quote marks meat problem. Ah yes! I have a meat problem that I need solving too you can email me This is unbelievable, but it makes so much sense. Because we know that this satellite failed to separate from the payload from the cone... How ironic! Yeah this was the big fail. This was the satellite that was actually going to measure the sheep belching and cow flatulence as a part of man-made climate change from space You know? It's out of control

05:18 I wonder what was going on during the era where the entire western plains were covered with millions and millions of bison. Well, surely you know that bison... They must have farted? No they don't fart man! By the way, I have done quite a bit of sheep shearing in my day when i was much younger we lived just south of Amsterdam in a small farming village and it was a lot of fun really, you know, the old-fashioned way with shears And I have held many a sheep between my legs. There's a great drop for you! I've held many a sheep between my legs, but I've never heard one belch ever. Have you? Well no actually we have a sheep and does he belch? I've never noticed it maybe when they go bah that's actually a belch well i think i can tie a couple things together sounds like a belch the meat problem i i like that that you've latched on to

06:18 Because I've it hit me earlier this week that the smart grid It's it has of course. It has to do with energy power But it has to do with a lot more and I started looking into it Into the smart grid now a lot of them money for the smart grid will be dished out by an outfit call I'm sure you've heard of them the Western Area Power Administration Have you heard of them? No, actually I haven't heard of them. Oh okay Wow well the Western Power a Western Area Power Administration I'll read I'm just reading from their website wapa.gov part of the government um as a part of the Recovery and Reinvestment Act 2009 which of course is

07:12 The big stimulus package. It grants the Western Area Power Administration the authority to borrow up to 3.25 billion from the US Treasury, it has a whole bunch of... basically they hand out the grants and so as I'm looking through you know just going down as deep as i can right? Any grants we can get? Well interesting So they're handing out a lot of money to GE and IBM. These are the two corporations who are going to receive most of this smart grid money, and IBM writes about... well here's a little piece from IBM as it pertains to their grant The world is becoming instrumented by 2010 there will be a billion transistors per human each one costing 1 ten millionth of a cent

08:07 The world is becoming interconnected with a trillion networked things. Cars, roadways, pipelines, appliances, pharmaceuticals and even livestock! The amount of information created by those interactions grows exponentially And as you look through it... A part of this smart grid will be tracking livestock So, of course how do you track livestock and also livestock feed I'm sure is going to be a part of it. When you track livestock it's very simple because even my pets are chipped they all have little chip inserted and that's RFID chip and they can track each individual piece of meat all apart of the meat problem

08:51 That is not far from embedding it into humans, John. Then we're very very close to a complete global matrix that just hovers around us being tracked everywhere So this smart grid, I think needs... People already have that with you but it's being done through your phone. Yeah exactly well yeah and because we talked about that about my Nokia and i'd installed Google Maps with latitude and by the way after the show battery has not run down It stopped Oh they probably disconnected it remotely And then I'm reading about Nokia Yeah, no I'm I got a lot of time between meetings. So I'm reading about Nokia Do you know that they got half a trillion? Was it 500? I'm sorry maybe right was five hundred million half a billion yeah They got a half a million Half a billion euro loan from the EIB

09:49 The European Investment Bank, who by the way whose charter is to help out small and medium enterprises. I don't think Nokia quite qualifies as a small and medium enterprise God! I wouldn't think so by the way EIB also stands for the Excellence in Broadcasting Network Rush Limbaugh So the EIB which you know god knows it's part of the European Union they're shareholder in this bank You know? They just hand out this money to Nokia well not handing out its alone But you know the implications I think are pretty severe when you think about, so what if the EU says hey Nokia here's this money but put this chip in instead of that one. Use our souped up version Who protects us from that? Who checks on that stuff is there a way to check can you log can see what your phone is doing? I have serious security concerns about this

10:43 I think in your case you should. Yeah, but in general it's not just me look...I'm sorry for saying that. I'm not worried let's be clear this is my new one and say to my wife now although no no its what I want to be very clear lets be clear now he said that a number of times he also said by the way that he one time during his speech which we're going into later Obama did go off camera off script and when he did his little ad lib was like 1 sentence ad-lib about something He actually did it twice. The other one was a joke about Joe Lieberman or Joe Biden, he said look Yeah One time he went off script. He had to say look I'm pretty sure that the Joe Biden quip was written in there It could have been yeah cuz III read the transcript which I think came out almost simultaneously Is that what does he hand this speech? To the Speaker of the House and the vice president when he comes in what's in the manila envelopes that he hands to them

11:40 Check for a million dollars. Shut up One of those big phony checks that unfolds here Joe I'm sorry, it's not just Joe Biden the vice president It is our stimulus czar Yeah stimulus are the guy who does he doesn't know what they how the internet works apparently we've discovered that Joe Biden I love this doesn't know what a website is now if this was a Republican administration They would be all over this I have it for you hold on I saved it, i saw you put on uh... on Dvorak dot- in fact I just cut into a Amivio today for tomorrow. It's so funny here comes this is Joe Biden being interviewed on CBS early show about uh... but by the way the journalist is a douchebag, is a douche! I mean listen to her that's so stupid By the way do you know the website? You know I'm embarrassed Do you know the website number? I should have it in front of me and I don't I am actually embarrassed

12:40 I'm going to call your office directly too and get it later. It is recovery dot gov, recovery dot gov Is that up and running already? So a couple observations here first of all maybe Joe's really smart he actually means the IP address you know maybe he was just tripping Oh that'll be all please Do you know the IP address of that website because he is a command-line hacker obviously but then they have the interviewer say is that up in running already Is she under a frickin' rock? He sat up and running on any house. Well, maybe she was trying to

13:17 Maybe she was doing her job trying to catch him saying I don't know when the fact of course has been running forever Well, and it's still stagnant. How long have I been looking at this thing for three weeks? No change Announcements last announcement was still February 18th It reflects the recovery itself But he keeps using this and it keeps being said on in showing up in conversations with people particularly on Twitter Say, well you know hey man that's transparency we got recovery.gov Yeah but they actually have to put something on it So yeah anyway so Biden by the way I saw you another thing that was kind of weird because i saw you use this on the show like yesterday or whenever is the new Broadway play

14:08 about Shrek the musical where it's just a lot of belching and farting talking about being thematic for today show apparently. What are they thinking? Do I want to go to a Broadway play to watch some weird looking fat guy farting with his girlfriend this doesn't sound like entertainment to me. Well, I think kids like it Yeah, I don't know shouldn't be encouraged to like that crap was cute. It was funny wasn't it wasn't funny at all You're a grumpy old man Maybe you don't like you don't fart yes like you don't fart My friend he's got nothing to do with them not gonna go do it on stage Depends on how much they pay you? Hold on a second Curry's gone there something here

15:05 So let's go over this speech unless you got something else to say. Oh, I've got tons of stuff but i'd love to go over the speech with you. Okay well I've got the speech play by play and I don't want to bore people stiff so I'm going to give myself a 10 minute time limit. Okay lemme just set it up for ya because we need a little bit of background It is highly unusual for a new president to address Congress this June. Joint session? Yeah, joint session isn't this normal... And why everybody called it a State of the Union speech what is with everybody? It wasn't! It wasn't a state of the union no. It was an address to joint sessions of congress but everybody newspapers and bloggers and everyone between here in there yeah yeah that wasn't and when I look at this through my European eyes

15:48 Man, it's no wonder people think we're dicks. I mean this is- It's absolutely an atrocious show! All it is is oh let's stand up and clap again Oh lets stand up and clap again We're gonna lead, oh lets stand up again Oh yeah its just like pfff Don't you feel that? Oh, it starts off... I thought i was watching an NFL game. For one thing it began late he was 15 minutes late on his delivery but that's beside the point and by the way I was watching on Fox initially and could barely take looking at Shepard Smith because if anybody has reptilian eyes its this guy. It's Shep Smith Studio B thats right we're going down to New Orleans

16:34 By the way, consumer confidence down to 25%, lowest since 1967 when the index was invented. Okay so Nancy Pelosi's up there she looks like Cher! Her hair is definitely somewhat out of control and she got a huge chest at least in that outfit she had on Yeah well it was probably stuff with Kleenex Anyway so... Wads of money So anyway, so it starts off and they bring in these guys and make an announcement. Then they bring in the Supreme Court who looks like they're bringing a football team with a bunch of people on either side leaning over high-fiving saying pointing da da da da da They come through you know These guys And there are plotting arm and they sit down and then they go on and on and on then they bring in Obama Who comes in like at a football game?

17:25 the quarterback and is all these guys leaning over shaking his hand pat him on the back high fives you know knuckle punches the whole thing goes on and on and on. Fisting, fisting! It's unbelievable and so they finally get in he's pointing by the way He is like Arsenio Hall kind of like hey man I see you over there how are ya doing? Hey hey hey he's pointin' he's pointin' he's pointin' and I'm thinking what is this bullshit? That's okay I'm okay with that it's okay to have a president who kind of in this century. Yeah, okay fine. Pointing is in the century and coming in high-fiving you to give a speech

18:00 So he goes up and does a standing ovation, big standing ovation. He's up there it begins...he gets up to about 610, he goes on for about five minutes before actually get started at 615 everyone is like Standing O! Standing O! Now he starts to make his intro and everybody jumps back up and gives him another standing O then they go down and then he mentions Michelle in the audience and they give her a standing ovation. So it was Speaker of the House, Vice President, members of Congress and I believe the First Lady is around here somewhere? It was slick dude come on that was slick. Why does she get a standing ovation what did she do? She's well...I'm not even going to say it but she's doing plenty so you think she deserves a standing ovation from Congress

18:50 Well, it just goes to show how lame it is. He'll sit down again and he uses the word we will rebuild standing ovation! Rebuild what? Our leadership of the world that's the message We will lead you The rest of the world we are in charge of you As he goes on he makes mention about how regulations were gutted implying that had to do with Bush administration most of the banking crisis stems from the Clinton administration. When he first got in office, the first thing he did when he got elected was change regulation against interstate banking

19:37 Bank of America, if it was in California it had to stay in California. You didn't have these national banks. You didn't have these competitive banks that were in every city around the country buying each other up because supposedly according to Clinton we needed this to be more competitive than the world banking market. The fact is that matter is we had three of the biggest banks in the world. with that old system in place. Then by the end of Clinton's term, he repealed the Glass-Steagall Act which was put in place by the Roosevelt administration to prevent an economic meltdown anyway and then of course the bankruptcy laws were changed thanks to Joe Biden as if he was one of the main guys on that so yeah but it's okay blame Bush for this It's fine The Republicans didn't do a very good job let's face

20:24 So it goes on and on with standing O after standing O, up and down up and down. You think you're in a Catholic church at midnight mass? So the next thing that happens is that finally he starts to get into some partisan stuff And so Dow all of a sudden only gets 1 half standing. Oh, the Republicans stay seated mm-hmm Which I thought was kind of interesting He brings up to save or create 3.5 million jobs you know with this bogus it by the way That number keeps changing now It's three point five million well it was it was three it was four and then yeah now I was fine. It was 2.5 But the BBC on their news ticker forgot to add the create part. So they were just saying Obama colon save 3 million jobs, so it's already morphing.

21:15 Then he keeps going, it's the same pretty much as a standard speech. It was very good I mean the guy is a great speaker especially compared to Bush. I heard that you know the kid who writes his speech I read in Financial Times He was standing in the corner with this Blackberry and he was literally mouthing the words You know like he was lip-syncing along with Obama because of course he wrote it This always reminds me when you do a TV shoot and you've got two people, one of them is an amateur and your walking off the prompter. And one person's talking while the other one's mouthing along with the words. That was kind of what it was in fact! One's reading off a teleprompter and the other ones not and he's mouthing along. Yeah well he wrote it... So then they also had this says something about nobody messes with Joe and he gets a standing ovation

22:04 And then, which I was like why? Can't you idiots sit down for a minute and just listen to the speech. Well because Joe is a mafia Don man he's a big big man on campus everyone wants to gotta show his respect to the don kiss the ring Lending... He got a standing O for saying lending fund whatever that means Meanwhile they put a camera shot on Joe Lieberman who was kind of rolling his eyes throughout this speech it was kind of humorous I was reminded right about this point of the, you know this thing where we're going to do this. We're gonna... You know they all these kind of threats against the executives Oh yeah! You can't get a nice little washroom no makeover forget your fancy jet because it doesn't compare to an 11 billion dollar helicopter fleet and so I'm always reminded that Jimmy Carter banishment of the three martini lunch

22:59 Similar kind of, you know... What are these people doing? They're drinking martinis at lunch. My God! By the way Hillary Clinton was wearing hot fuchsia. Somebody mentioned this before that once Hillary stopped running for office she could go back to the way she likes to dress which apparently is more like a neon sign than anything else And so she's wearing this hot fuchsia dress which is enough to blind you and I think it was actually illegal for NTSC television. It's out of the color scale, the spectrum. You know why she wears it? Politics! Show business for ugly people that's why she wants to make sure that you see her That your eye is drawn towards one of the oldest tricks in the book like The Red Tie or The Blue Tie

23:44 Exactly. So she's doing they pull back the camera you could see in Congress there was her in the front with this fuchsia dress, but you can see at least one other person possibly to also wearing the same gosh-awful color and then a third and fourth person wearing like red You know yeah in the middle of this kind of very dour looking group All right, what else anyway? What else uh Well I got the impression watching it that you know. I would like to Greek cut the speech and then instead of having all these standing ovations You cut two-way clip from a Betty Boop cartoon of that audience at that's clapping and Going crazy with the you know the hippo in the front and elephant and all this because I think it would fit right right in there He didn't mention the carbon cap

24:31 Yeah, the cap and trade scheme. Right? Yeah, cap and trade some bullshit And then that got a double standing ovation when Biden got up Well, but started clapping But the cap-and-trade is essentially a tax I did some reading on them see if i can find the link for it but essentially they expect it to fund a lot of the budget So that means its form of a tax Yeah, well everything's a form of attacks. They just come up with new way of making it you know sneaking it on the stupid public Somehow though I got a kick out of this he snuck in the word And I think this was you know This was a little bit of nobody notice didn't sneak an octamom diddy and no He snuck into dirt the term clean coal Mmm. Yeah, I did hear that

25:22 Yeah, he snuck that in and then of course he caught everybody off guard with the bogus pronouncement that we somehow invented the automobile. I love that! What? That's what I said when you said it But you'd be amazed John how many people believed that Oh i'm sure Whereas now... I'm sure even more believe it now that he said it Well the claim is of course Henry Ford invented the production assembly line. Yeah, and really the mass-produced vehicle but of course it was... Right, the Jeep Junker which is what we're still known for to this day Of course it was German guys like Benz and Daimler and Maybach who invented the automobile You know that Germans were way ahead of us on that I think they still are actually I think the Japanese are ahead of everybody

26:16 Sorry to tell you the bad news for the Germans, but I don't think anybody makes a better card in the Japanese And, you know they got the hybrids out and all this other stuff. They rolled out the hybrids? Well... They still make V8 engines that are unbelievable I mean that engine in a Lexus is a V8 The thing has got when i was a kid we used to have you know v8's used to be the big deal You had to have a V8 but you soup them up as best you can But you could never get one horsepower per cubic inch was like you had a race car essentially. I mean to get to that, it's just amazing. Yeah well these Japanese have gone way beyond that and the engines run smooth as glass It's just like how does that work? You have a 4 liter engine with 250 horsepower or 300 horsepower in newer versions They're using Wankel engines That's why

27:16 I'm not using nobody's the only one crappy wanker. Well, at least they tried it! I once had a model that i built of a wankel engine A plastic kit model yeah was cool and you know with little battery so It actually ran you could understand the principle of the Wankel but just like saying it Wankel Yeah, come over here baby sure you do touch my Wankel By the way, I got a meme out of this which i think you're going to run into it here and again. There's by the way game called Obama Bingo now how many times is he gonna say this and that? But this is the meme It's not a Democrat issue, its not a Republican issue, Its an American Issue! Yeah, I thought that was a good one yeah and uh... And it's the men women who sent me here Not the Americans, not the people

28:02 Now, you know this was a good speech. I didn't hear anything new. I mean i like to get down to the numbers most interesting of course is that amidst all of what has happened this week A bill was introduced that I think gets voted on today or tomorrow the Omnibus Bill Which is kind of under the radar, of course it's only 410 billion dollars so it's hardly worth mentioning. Nothing! Nothing! Are you familiar with the omnibus bill? No tell me The omnibus bill which is just being rammed right through no problema

28:44 Pelosi calls it all the stuff we had left over from the previous administration. So there's like eight and a half thousand basically earmarks all jammed into one bill which they call the omnibus bill. This is where they put the pork? Okay, this is... All the pork is here and I mean It's just outrageous when you read the stuff that's in here Hold on, I just have to bring it up. What's nice about all the transparency of course that we have these days is you can actually get all these documents and download them. Yeah, and the five people who do that... David Obey House Appropriations Chair wants to rebuild Carnegie Library building in Medford, reconstruct historic lighthouses

29:33 Let's see, perimeter fence around Roundtree Airport in Alabama. But you know $410 billion worth and no one is talking about it! No one is talking... It even has a cool name Omnibus. The news is not covering it and it gets a vote I believe today or tomorrow so now we've just completely lost track Other than the total number which actually was just announced the total The president this administration's budget 1.75 trillion dollars is Is the the total budget and I'm sure the 410 billion is a part of it, but it's just mind-boggling You know, it's just stuff that we don't need. I mean yeah, you mean come on Do the historic lighthouses in five years? They'll still be historic

30:26 Yeah, and there still be lighthouses. And I don't think we need another fence but anyway... I'm sure there's some really good stuff in there should plow through that myself. The links will be in the show notes. I've got the links for it Okay, you know as a part of this whole week was just amazing to watch Not to be outdone by the g20 which of course over here. There's and you know a lot of stuff going on in regards to To the financial crisis Europe is is you know totally? Preparing to launch something big they're all in cahoots And there and they're being real you know real hush-hush about it But when you'll coming out with

31:01 dumb statements, but not to be outdone the Obama administration had their own financial summit which just like appeared out of nowhere and I've been twittering. I've been searching nowhere could I find it? But again in the Financial Times there was a fantastic little piece there that said that Lawrence Summers who of course is the head of the President's Economic Advisory Board That he fell asleep on the podium And I'd kind of like the Japanese finance minister, wouldn't it be great to have those two guys in a video next to each other? No one has it apparently or its been embargoed. This guy apparently falls asleep alot! He's probably got narcolepsy Yeah they call him Lawrence of Absurdia

31:51 But yeah, let me just finish my little run down here sure sure swing get out of it So anyway I'm just this is a point where there's I think about two-thirds of the way through all of a sudden There it is. Here we come and we're gonna do some like make people feel good. There's Sully Oh right? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Oh my goodness. Yep, but he was Pelosi invited him well III you know what there is a reason John I'm so glad you brought this up so sullen Berg and the co-pilot His name evades me for a moment. I'll get to that We're at the house on this Yeah, on a special FAA meeting and it's just it's amazing the things that came out of that Out of that meeting which was on C-SPAN essentially Sullenberg Sully's message was

32:45 You know if we don't take care of the the pilots union and and all the other unions if you know If we don't, you know put our money where our mouth is and keep these people happily gainfully and properly Employed and properly compensated. You know, we just can't promise your safety that was essentially the message He's literally saying here well, there's gonna be new pilots who are less experienced and have been rushed through the system And basically, you know I guess he's on this was a Employ for the for the unions basically was saying you got to pay up or forget about it, or you'll just have no safety and of course then they can point to that flight in that one. That was mysteriously crashed with that 9-11 woman aboard what what was funny time in a flight? Yeah? Yeah? What was funny though is The co-pilot who was also there I'm looking for the

33:45 But the exact quote also the air traffic controller was there I mean though the whole trifecta And so they're talking about this bird strike. Now, I promise I wouldn't talk about it anymore but... It's highly unusual let's put it that way for both engines to be snuffed out by birds You can Google or look on YouTube you can see how they test these engines They actually shoot frozen turkeys into the engines and the engines are fine They don't stop Frozen turkeys okay? So these engines can handle some bird strike-age But normally, particularly if you went through a flock of geese which were so large that they snuffed out both engines there would have been other hull damage and you don't see any damage at all. And then the co-pilot says this was the biggest bird I've ever seen!

34:33 He says that in his statement like what is this big bird from Sesame Street flying through the air? You know if you're flying and yeah when you're driving along you put might have had a bird hit your windshield It's really hard to assess The size of the bird when it hits your windshield going 50 or 60 miles an hour so imagine Imagine going 150, and it's not against your windshield. It's apparently two these big birds in your engines I mean the whole thing just smells And it doesn't smell of rotting bird flesh which is what they also claim they could smell Well, it's possible that they hit a flock of pterodactyls. I'm thinking this is war going on between Airbus and Boeing And they're just bringing each other planes down at random just to prove that the other ones... You heard about this Turkish air flight that crashed at Schiphol airport yesterday? Yeah, I heard about it. Nine people dead at least. Now horrible scene but of course

35:26 There's two interesting things about this mishap, accident. One that I found out about it on Twitter before anything else hit and it was all the pictures that the cable outlets were showing were all twit pics and so... It kind of shows that we've built our own news network around the established media Which is interesting because you know literally just Twitter went crazy. You know there's enough interconnections with people you follow that and retweeting going on that it works And it was definitely well known to lots of people before it hit the mainstream media, and so ten minutes after this crash takes place I'm already over at live ATC net because they record all three frequencies

36:15 of Schiphol air traffic control. So they've got ground delivery, they've got approach and then they have the tower and so I start downloading... And they do it by half hour! You can just say give me this half-hour archive. It's eham1, 2 & 3 and i get 1&2 And so that's approach and ground. This is what you've been hearing on television, where the guy says we have a major emergency here airplane down etc., and you also hear the handoff from approach to the tower but the tower recordings offline 10 minutes after the incident not available I've been following all the news conferences they say no that's not going to be released until ready in and just looking at this accident John there

37:00 Very I can rule out a lot of stuff and I can tell you what. I think it is and actually I blogged about it But once again, you know why do these authorities always? Withhold certain bits of information, you know it's public. It was out its public airwaves just let us hear it Why don't you want why won't you let us hear what had what the tower said? What was said between the 10-mile the ten miles out and and The 2,000 feet from them from the threshold Why won't they let us here at it just really irritates me I we noticed so what is the what is your take on it fuel starvation

37:40 Fuel starvation. Yeah, so that means that they were out of fuel on upon on their final approach now This is I'm only saying this because I've heard this from sources who really Would are in the position to know who work? at people and And it's consistent with a lot of things like didn't know no fire you know upon Upon impact them in a whole bunch of things

38:16 And also these guys were really, they were really booking. They were going very very fast even you hear the approach controller say well you've gone pretty fast for that approach but within limits go ahead and turn 220 to 18 right and that's the last we have recording of But it is big deal because Turkish Airlines is state run company You can't just around making accusations obviously Right. But it's just, why would they pull that off line? And what are they going to say the reason is? Will they give us any reasonable explanation already saying well it could take a year to figure out... Let us just hear that one piece of audio maybe there's something in there Yeah like we're out of fuel! So what kind of plane was it? 737 Boeing 737-800 relatively new aircraft

39:10 So we have our Boeing down, Airbus down. So the Airbus will be next again? The Airbus will be next. I will say that very much like the Airbus which had problems the previous day or two days before this aircraft also had... actually they aborted a takeoff a day before with this aircraft because something unspecified as of yet what was wrong so anyway Was anybody interesting aboard that...? Well there were couple of Boeing engineers But I don't think that well of course every single person is interesting you know yeah, I know every human life is interesting and it's a horrible yes You're a banker on there with yes. Yes there was a banker on board. I saw the there were couple of reports be banker onboard Excuse me sir are you a banker up miss miss could I leave the aircraft? Oh my goodness oh

40:16 A horrible accident, but just really irritating that though and you still can't get to any of the tower archives for the entire day. So you know it's like and I don't know who runs live...I don't think it's the FAA or anybody who runs LiveATC.net? I'm not quite sure who runs it, but someone's taken something off for a reason Yeah, well just it just makes people more suspicious. I don't know why they bother doing that Precisely and when they're in to do this press conference of course I speak Dutch so I can you know follow a lot of the You know III can read the body language and the tone of voice And they're irritated that journalists are saying hey when are you gonna release The Tower audio? Well is part of an ongoing investigation Alright alright then hmm

41:09 Alright, so back to the... let me finish up my rundown of the speech. Yeah I'm just injecting some color into it so it doesn't get too boring No that's..I think its a great thing because if I did this straight-up it would suck! I've come up with the uh...it would you know because at this point now we're getting near the end of the speech where he pulls the Ronald Reagan and starts pointing people out in the audience Hey Sully Did this and that he didn't do the sully one, but he did this black girl in some marine and somebody else The girl whose school was falling apart Yeah, and she said we're not quitters. And you know she was sitting there and I've decided that you know since he's supposedly this is supposed to be his Reagan like speech and then they gonna You know there's these...I get this sense that he's kind of I think he's going to become the Steven Spielberg Of presidents where he like keeps stealing other people's ideas

42:01 to do a way presents this stuff. Then at the end, which is over now... At the end he's it takes him forever to get out of the hall because all these people want his autograph including all these members of Congress and I'm thinking if you're a member of Congress don't you see the president once maybe in two years? I mean at least for 2 seconds can she get the autograph then? I mean, it was like he looked like a rock star leaving the place with all these autographs. And of course they left that on for awhile on a couple of these networks and then we got the Republican, lame and pathetic Republican response to all this by who I have now consider an idiot Bobby Jindal, the governor of Louisiana who comes out and basically sucks

42:50 Reads from a teleprompter doesn't sound like even listen to Obama's speech because he's saying stuff in there We're not gonna do that. Obama never said the stuff He never even said it was like a comedy act It was a complete humiliation that they would have him be the representative of the Republican Party And he supposed to be the future of the party guys I don't think so this guy you know can't read from a prompter. He did was nervous He reminded his cadence Was exactly like The Beaver on leave into Beaver and I mean it was the same kind of weird, you know unnatural cadence because he apparently can't read very well. And he had to read from this piece-of-crap speech that somebody wrote for him He even said Baton Rouge No really? Yeah I got a lot of big letters Baton Rouge Oh that's funny

43:44 He also talked about government failures at Katrina and some of the bumps. He should have said Katrina, that would have been even better! Well actually Obama made a mistake off the prompter which indicated... typical prompter read let's see if I have it he uh there are certain things you will do if you're reading off a prompter You read words wrong that you would never actually say wrong Yeah yeah your cadence will be wrong It's just that anyway, I don't know. Somewhere you don't know what it is. So he goes on about this. And so meanwhile, I switch around and I go to MSNBC where they have the great apologist for all things Democrat.

44:22 Keith Olbermann, Rachel Maddow and Chris Matthews after the Jindal speech they couldn't even attack him. Basically their jaws were on the floor. They just dropped open right? Nothing left to say. Just rerun it! That's better than any commentary. Seriously... Oh here is the one for Obama said send instead of spend. Really did he correct himself? Yeah, no he did it was smooth. I just noticed it. Meanwhile so then I switched to CNN who apparently are now using Facebook as their polling mechanism. Oh scientific! And they so they polled 700 000 according to Erica Hill 700 000 uh facebook users about whether this makes them more hopeful or whatever but what I thought was cool is they brought one of the analysts on who

45:21 He found the mistakes that Obama made. He said, what is wrong with these guys? Don't they have the fact checkers and he brought up the car invention of the car which I said ah CNN rocks because you know they brought it up nobody else did and then he also said that Obama made this comment that we were now pumping more foreign oil than ever Which is not true. No, that's not true In fact, in the 70s we had a spike that was much more than we're pumping today. the reminder, and it really seems like a reinforced reminder the way it's delivered every single time. You know our reliance on foreign oil this has just got to stop we need cars that drive on batteries you know this is just reliance on foreign oil, reliance on foreign oil do you get any of that does it feel like that to you? Oh yeah absolutely in fact the joke of it as of course most of our foreign oil comes from Alberta Canada

46:18 So, um... anyway. Well you know what? That's right! We just need to stop doing business with Canada- Oh wait a minute I'm sorry. So that's the end of that. That's my rundown it i just thought the thing was uh weird but it was Jindal. Whatever Obama did wrong, this idiot Jindal comes out and botches the response to such an extreme non-conversational just to be a you know just everything was yeah it was rude ridiculous it was stupid he looked like a fool the Republicans look like idiots for choosing him in that they think is the future of their party therein for a surprise or maybe not

47:01 Well, they're setting up the fault guy for 2012 so that guy can lose and Obama can continue. I mean it's logical isn't it? Well from the perspective that is all fixed yes From my perspective from my walk of life So on February 25th they had on the junk news show Extra They had a Michelle Obama interview. She's gonna obviously start doing stuff with the junk news media You know extra the insider Oh really she's doing all that okay? Yeah, well I miss what looks like yeah yes So they did a thing with her

47:44 interviewed her or some softball thing wasn't very good but she did reveal that she has a She's starstruck over Will Smith and his girlfriend Jada. They want to meet them So I guess they'll be in the White House in no time Dude, if I was in the White House, I would be partying it up man. I'd have Erin Burnett over every day Talking about the Council on Foreign Relations? Yeah, of course. What do you mean I'd be a card-carrying member are you kidding me? We would have to be or we wouldn't get in so then they won apparently a Portuguese water dog for their... yeah yeah I heard about that That'll be important news that will keep the slaves happy as we just stare mindlessly at programs like Access Hollywood

48:41 Access Hollywood. People don't realize that those stories are mostly bought and paid for by publicists Well, some of them are even pre-edited and delivered on tape Yeah You don't have to do anything just drop it right in So I don't have a jingle yet for the... should we call it like the Old Boys Club or the Golden Boys Club? Someone else suggested Goldmember It's basically new people who're being brought into the administration who have interesting backgrounds And we have a new Assistant Attorney General who will be in charge of antitrust at the United States Department of Justice. She qualifies as a good old boy, Christine Varney.

49:27 You familiar with Christine Varney? I've heard her name. Probably in the context of Google is where you heard her name Is she from Google? No, there was a little wave meme out there earlier in the week about that she hates Google Oh, this is the Google hating woman. Yes that would be the one! That is Christine Varney and if you look at her a good launching point although rarely ever true completely on Wikipedia I love the first sentence Christine A Varney is an American lawyer lobbyist An internet policy expert. Wait, hold on a second. How could that be the case? I don't know. You know Obama is not going to put lobbyists in his administration So she has lobbied on behalf of Netscape versus Microsoft She's chairman of the board of directors at Trust E but i guess so she might have to resign that but in the past her clients have included eBay DoubleClick

50:30 AOL Netscape essentially in you know all enemies of Google right and she's bringing that Lobbyist past with her, and she's in charge of antitrust I mean it seems to be kind of a conflict doesn't it? I don't know. You're gonna have to ask Eric Schmidt who happens to be kind of in the periphery of the administration What does he think of this we should call him that you got his number surely oh My name's not Shirley and I don't necessarily. So while i was doing some of that research, you know the Rahm Emanuel has an interesting family which...and I'm sure people have heard of this but it just kind of fun to bring up from time-to-time so Rahm Emanuel um... of course his he was a the uh... what do you call it? The inspiration for that guy on the West Wing

51:30 Oh really? Yeah, this is pretty well known. I'm looking it up now You know I never liked watching West Wing. No, I kind of liked it also I like Commander-in-Chief when What's Her Face was present that was a guy was kinda hot Gina Davis Another movie another series I didn't care much for there's all just propagandistic crap so he was the The inspiration for Josh on the West Wing now his brother Ari Emanuel do you know who he is No. Ari Emanuel is the founder of the hottest talent agency in Hollywood, who is the model for Ari Gold on HBO's Entourage

52:13 Oh, interesting. Yeah and then you have Zeke and this guy's also I'm sorry so the way what you're saying to me as you continue on with this breakdown with his deconstruction of the family is that this is a family of people who don't sit around their ass watching TV all day no they make television man it's just it's really interesting now what's the last one do? What does the last one do okay Zeke Now they always say that he's bringing the family down because no TB character has been modeled on him yet. He is chair... He is the bum! Yeah, really? He's the Chair of Department of Bioethics at The National Institute Of Health Clinical Center Oh Jesus Lame But just it's interesting how you know, Rahm Emanuel I never heard of this guy ever Who knew that Josh was based on him

53:08 It's just, yeah it's interesting. Yeah, well the whole thing is getting more interesting by the minute. And our new Congress... Go ahead I'm just saying it hasn't what have we accomplished you know but he's only been a you know The thing that people that gets me but by the way is that you know He's only been in office 30 days and you have did you have two things going on simultaneously One is that the Democrats say they're Republicans Hey give the guy a break? He's only been an office thirty days yeah And then you have the Democrats themselves giving this guy standing ovations like he's done so much So much good for the country all ready Which is it? Save or create. You pick Anyway, go on Now we have a new commerce secretary which I just love So this is the third guy right This is uh It's a woman isn't it No no no no no Who was the woman that just showed up in the radar? That's the antitrust woman

54:05 No, somebody else too. Okay it was Gary Locke. Gary Locke you should know him he's from Washington Yeah, Gary Locke Governor from Washington Former governor So I love this choice so you need a guy for commerce Secretary of Commerce Now of course you have to think what does the secretary of commerce do His job is to foster, promote and develop the foreign and domestic commerce. So it only makes sense... I can just see him sitting around like crap man all the guys we wanted don't want to do it and you know tax evaders You know what? Let's get a Chinese-American guy yeah because we need to do commerce with China let's get that guy in! He seems like the perfect choice Yeah actually does seem kind of like the perfect choice

54:56 Doesn't mean he knows what he's doing. No, I don't remember his How he did as governor it wasn't too bad? I don't think no yeah He seems to have a pretty creepy governor in there now that just a horrible some woman all right from Gitmo nation east then a couple of Line items we should go through In the telegraph there is now talk of remote-controlled planes That are typically used in warfare if you've ever seen these they actually launch them by hand from the field. Those are those little ones? Yeah, little ones and they're completely remote controlled and they have heat-seeking equipment... They're not the big ones though there's these big giant ones It is a UAV but you know doesn't have a huge payload Actually I saw a bunch of these on display at some trade show These little ones you're talking about They were actually quite interesting Yeah it's like a remote controlled airplane only supercharged

55:50 Right, they go hundreds of miles. They're pretty amazing So Wacky Jackie our home office secretary here in the UK has suggested that hey You know what? This is cheaper than helicopters police could use these to gather evidence and track criminals without putting officers at risk So we're gonna have these planes buzzin overhead You know, of course in the United States that wouldn't work because we're armed to the teeth. Yeah and we shoot them out of the sky! Exactly. We shoot them out of the sky without worrying about it but... You won't be armed for the teeth long though my friend It's coming down now you know I'm sure you've heard about all these bills to take away guns. We'll see and so um.. I love it when you say that could you just say it more like pry this from my cold dead hands way? Like we'll see

56:36 Now the other thing is that it seems to me if you're going to use these remote control planes, these things would be ripe for hobbyists or anyone who... If you could throw a net over one of them. Capture one! And then strip the radio and camera out and turn it into your own device for your own use I like the idea of target practice though It comes another one, boom, pull I must say, you know helicopter traffic is pretty annoying over the city. There was quite a bit of it. Why? What kind of crime do they have cameras everywhere what do they need helicopters for? Well that's so they get the infrared and they want to know their tracking people down They've all show on it called helicopters sky cops or something like that All meant to condition you into thinking It's just fine and dandy. Yes Also we you know this it's almost impossible

57:38 keep track of all the deals. Oh, we do have our own website here that Gordon Brown launched so in the States of course we have... We're a little bit more advanced in the UK were a little bit further The agenda has been is probably five years ahead of the US and many areas So whereas in the U.S., we have recovery.gov Here we have getrealhelp.co or .gov.uk And it's amazing you should go to it Getrealhelp.co.uk, you're going to have a link to that? Yeah I think it's get... isn't real no RealHelpNow I think it is yeah I'm sorry RealHelpNow.gov.uk and so on the home of course we'll have links in the show notes on the homepage this is all about help so Real Help for Business, Real Help for People okay keeping your home and see go to that link on keeping your home its one click away from the homepage

58:35 It then gives you a link to housing advice from shelter. So it has like, here's how you can try and refinance your mortgage and here is the link to the shelter service. There is nothing in between homelessness find out where to go to help and check whether the council has to house you finding a place to live understanding the pros and cons of both temporary and permanent options so you're telling me some women for starters again this street is now homeless somehow he's going to find his way to real helps now dot yeah to the website of course sure because what on what because he took his wife I laptop with him when it got kicked out of that was how pushing shopping cart around

59:22 It's really, it's so sad. And you know the media buys into this... Hey but you know what? It's okay because we created a website for it and they for some reason are like oh okay well there is a website then somethings done and they'll go look at the website and be like I'm looking at the website Oh yeah he has got some stuff here on the website You know its just.. Its stupid Yeah no don't worry we fixed the problem We have a website I love that. Oh yeah, no problem has been resolved we have a website. Yeah got a website, no problem What else you got? Ummm... What else is on your list? Well then i'll give you another one Just for the UK stuff Because again it's amazing! I can almost predict what's going to happen in the United States just having observed four and half years of the UK Yes, its test center It really is

1:00:21 This is from, I don't know if this is from Reuters? Yahoo Press Association. They're talking here in the UK of the summer of rage According to a poll more than 1 third of voters believe that the army will have to be brought into deal with A summer of rage on British streets as the recession bites. This coming summer? Yeah Summer of Rachel, in other words what you can interpret here is that because they're already preconditioning people with this bullshit. That's exactly what it is yep. They are actually going to test...they are actually going to create

1:01:08 situation that makes the summer of rage actually happen. So they can see how they can respond to it and it will be like a real-world test of the domestic security apparatus so that you then in the United States know what to look forward too now if they actually have some sort of riots or whatever they're gonna do for I gotta make jingle. I felt I got a major angle of state charm We got to make jingles you like it like but really like love FM like coming to you from Kidmo nation east It's the summer of rage Get your loved one on the street for this summer of rage Summer of raid hey everybody, it's no agenda. It's AC DNA see in the market We get some tickets here for the summer Come on free tickets with us every up close and personal

1:02:05 It won't do much for the tourist business if they pull this stunt off unless it's, I mean they're going to have to deal with the backlash. They're probably not considering that. They haven't done much for tourists anyway they don't want people taking pictures anymore. No no please Gordon Brown spokesman said The Prime Minister view on this So this is all you're so right. It's a preconditioning Is that of course he understands people's concerns and he also understands that people are angry for example about the behavior of some of the banks That's why I was absolutely determined that the government does everything possible to deal with those concerns and help People and businesses get through what is a global recession? And remember we've got a website Just be at the end of every press release and

1:02:52 And we've solved this problem already with a website called realhelpnow.gov.uk It's just despicable, really I throw up in my mouth every morning just reading the news So yeah, well this stuff over there is really funny. You've been around John have you ever witnessed anything like this in political history or just in your lifetime? You know you've been through 1-2-3 80 year cycles... Hey hey hey! So you've been through a couple of downturns. Geez I think the 70's had a lot elements to this it was always a little different. I haven't seen so much as fascism

1:03:35 because last time there was a fascist thread, it was in the late 20's and early 30's which then of course evolved into Hitler. But you know fascism became as kind of...it was a good thing to really study it It was like a good thing not to me but to the intellectual class and the fascists of Italy, you know they managed to get the trains going on time people were happier and all this kind of thing. By the way talking about this kinda thing there is a re-this has fascinated me there is a reinvigoration of Stalinism in Russia with a number of events that are bringing Stalin back into the fold as a famous Russian now considered by some

1:04:35 pro-Stalinist types to be one of the greatest Russians who ever lived. And there's all these speeches and they're having all these events, and these Stalin conferences They're all over the place with all these old generals who come out. I was never anybody as good at Stalin Yeah it was tough if they had any tough And then they had, yeah. And all these youths, these young women and all these micro-garks or whatever they call them of rich people saying you know the way I saw it Stalin couldn't have been that bad a guy we needed someone tough or he wouldn't have gotten through World War II anyway and yeah he was brutal but it was brutality that was necessary and there's all this rationale It's like

1:05:16 Load of crap about Stalin that's almost obviously a prelude to letting Putin become the next Stalin You know what? The good news is though. They've got a website called Stalinist back dot are you and I'll give you some more this this is this was really the big news over here in the UK although it's already been buried because and it's really sad but David Cameron conservative leader the leader of the shadow government so the opposition his six-year old son died he had cerebral palsy and It's pretty messed up. And so, you know government actually shut down yesterday in in observation of this happening but it came one day on the heels of Jack straw the Justice secretary now in I think

1:06:08 A year ago? It was like a year ago the House of Lords, or I'm sorry. I'm not too familiar with the whole system Or it's the Commons and Lords but they decided there had to be your freedom for information policy And that they were going to open up transparency You know that putting up a website so that you can you know The Freedom of Information Act was a big deal and So Of course, what the Freedom of Information sleuths wanted is the cabinet minutes relating to the decision to invade Iraq. And Jack Straw comes out and says well we're not going to release that because... he says we're not gonna tell you that because the public interest in disclosure of the minutes could not supplant the public interest in maintaining the integrity of our system of government

1:07:03 It is a necessary decision to protect the public interest in effective cabinet government. And it's just blown everybody away! So, whatever it is... however this decision came down either was so lame that they would all be beheaded because people find out under what stupid reasoning we had they joined the coalition going into Iraq or The way he says it, perhaps we're under such enormous incredible threat that if we knew how severe it was We'd all be freaking out One or the other I mean how can it be in between? Right. It has to be the two I just want to read that again for myself Okay, I've read it I'll read out loud See you there thanks Yeah No but its like...it just blows me away that hes saying

1:08:01 The public interest in disclosure of minutes could not supplant the public interest in maintaining the integrity of our system of government. It's just weird, man! The integrity of the system of government... this makes me think that it was something lame Like illegal or some illegal move Or something negative and something that wasn't protecting the public from freaking out Yeah, because it was a lame-ass move right? Or there's some corruption involved of some sort. Who knows... But that's an actual veto from the Freedom of Information Act that he pulled first time he's polled it and of course It's on the one thing everybody really would like to know I mean you know The scientist who couldn't find the weapons of mass destruction He suicided himself Remember that yeah

1:08:57 Yeah, he fell a so he shot himself ten times in the suicide something like that. He shot himself twice on the head and Let me see I want to do some more There's another Oh Jackie Chan is pissed off about what well apparently they They auctioned off the contents of East East Saint Laurent French digs if someone Ron famous Couturier, fashion designer who passed away recently. So they auctioned off all his stuff and included in his stuff were a bronze rat and a bronze rabbit which the Chinese government says was stolen

1:09:42 And should be returned, but they were sold anyway and the French are now you know for the French said screw it We know we're protecting it this can be sold. It's turning into a minor international flap and Jackie Chan has come out Like well, Jackie Chan comes out. You know our website has to be next oh yeah, but it's Yes, you know I don't understand. You know the Western world relies heavily on China like I'd be delivering that you know with naked chicks here Here's your sculptures man no problem sorry about that and hey No hard feelings well most of this stolen art is pretty well documented either they and the French are pretty

1:10:20 into returning stolen art, I don't understand why they wouldn't return this unless the documentation was either BS or somebody just trying to make off with the things cheap. There's some back story here we don't know about. Maybe we should look into it. Yeah...I kind of glossed over the article and thought it was interesting that Jackie Chan was piping up there but Talking about piping up by the way. We do need some more people to donate to our Library so I can write and I'll have the slash library thing done this week The point is that it doesn't hurt, you know if you listen to this thing we do an hour and a half twice a week so three hours. So doing two dollars a month is like 25 cents for sure. There's no commercials there are no ads in here It's all dense. Yeah very dense. I don't think it would hurt go to Dvorak dot org slash NA And donate to the Curry-Dvorak library project

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1:12:25 Yeah, something that you found that is weird. Or just link to us! Just link to the show. That also helps. Oh right. Give us some Google Link juice baby. Hey we should maybe just touch on that briefly because I know your so anti-cloud and boy I was on your side the other morning when Gmail became GFail and it went down for about three hours Yeah, and these are the experts. I mean if Google can't maintain a cloud resource how is these other sketchy companies like Microsoft who fails all the time going to do it? Well, I will say that you know I do have pretty good backup system because i don't actually just have a gmail address but I have google apps and that went down as well

1:13:14 in my head yeah we had a gap in fact gmail proper was coming up before the apps they didn't know they gave me a 15 hour what they call at SLA credit or something like that so essentially getting money back I mean they're trying to make up it was a good job on the SLA bit which I was kind of concerned about But of course, what you really need to do is as long as you own your domain name and can access like a GoDaddy account. I have two mail records in there so if the first one fails then it'll go to a secondary and then i can pick up from their so yeah there's a lot of ways to get around being snuffed out by the cloud but boy! There was 100 million people were just not able to access their email that's interesting problems which

1:14:08 It got some ink here and there, but no one's really thinking about what that really means. I bet you there was a lot of productivity lost Yeah, I'm sure and this is I think the sixth time That thing has crapped out This was one of the bigger ones though yeah No, this lasted way too long it did that kind of baffling that they can't get this back up when there wasn't some... Nah, I read through whatever it was but Somehow they did something new and it activated what they called a dormant bug, and you know essentially overloaded their servers I don't know. It doesn't matter if you know that's mumbo-jumbo when the people who do that shit man They're amazing who fix that stuff You know like our guys have you ever called one of our guys in the middle of the night? Yeah? No, no, it's unbelievable yeah, then they come out of a dead sleep hello

1:15:01 Like hey, man. I'm sorry to wake up no man's okay was it well? I'm online where you was all right dude poor guys so Bank of Scotland That was the other big one had fourth quarter 10 billion pound loss Of course the Royal Bank of Scotland is now completely nationalized But what was interesting is that RBS and this would kind of make sense if you think of all the connections won the tender for doing all of the Dutch government's banking. Wow! So, all the internal revenue banking everything they do is a small country but they do a lot to 66 million transactions in state and Royal Bank Scotland going to be doing it is very confusing how these things fit together What does the Dutch think about this? Can't they do their own banking? They don't know about it. Why can't they go through Swiss?

1:16:03 No, everyone's pulling out of the Swiss. No one wants a Swiss bank account anymore UBS is in deep kinshay Well they screwed up I always thought the Swiss were the most conservative bankers but guess not But The Netherlands really is another three years ahead of The UK except for the camera part although that's gathering speed very quickly And those people are so... I mean, I love them dearly. You know? I lived there a long time but they're so hypnotized They've got Walter Bosch he's the finance minister and he just keeps saying He's like hey man it's fine no no ING It's not a problem though this is bad Meanwhile ING had to sell warrants To the state you know No one would buy any of their bonds or anything They're completely falling apart You got guys in The Financial Channel literally saying

1:16:52 that the Dutch finance minister, he would call a terminal cancer patient completely healthy. I mean that's pretty hefty little quote there but people disbelieve it and anyone talk to him how is it going? Well yeah we got the crisis but we're okay We're gonna be okay It was like damn man you guys really don't know He gets so screwed The whole country bought kitchens and patio furniture on second mortgages Oh! I feel so bad for him So somebody brought up the point, which I blogged by the way to ask you about what you think about the TSA trying to get involved in private aviation. Oh yeah where they want to have the same rules where you can't have more than 100 milliliters of liquid on a private plane because... On your own plane? Because oh it could be... weren't we just talking about this the other day

1:17:46 It's so easy, I mean of course you know. I could pack up my plane with explosives and fly it right into the heart of London You know? I'd be in there before they could even scramble a jet Of course! I mean it's simple but at the end of the day The threat is just not as big as its made out to be And this is... This could never f- This will go- I think you even wrote the quote This will go away the minute any one of these guys gets into their private plane They gotta through security and all this crap They'll end it Unless they get special exemptions Well, that wouldn't be good because then you'd have a fuss so we ran we ran something on the blog that makes us even more ludicrous The TSA this just is dot today by the way TSA says mule skinners need background checks to Mules can fit a federal anti-terror law that requires longshoremen truckers and others to submit two criminal background checks has ensnared another class of transportation worker the mule driver

1:18:42 Which is what a mule skinner's called. They must abide by federal law and apply for transportation worker identification credentials, TSA says. Yes the so-called mule skinners in this case seasonal workers who dress in colonial garb at an historic park in eastern Pennsylvania must apply for biometric transportation worker identification credentials I guess you could drive one of these mules into the Twin Towers And detonate it Detonate your mule cart. This clearly is a they're just trying to get at the Amish man That's what it's all about Damn, Amish man there dangerous. It's crazy somehow the Vegans are behind this I'm sure of it Are we just way tuned into this stuff or everyone else? Just way tuned out or Is nuts man what kind of world do we live in what's going on oh

1:19:35 I don't know, somebody obviously... the thing that's interesting about the internet is that this actually showed up on CNN.com as just one of the many stories unfortunately because you You know we don't have the newspapers are dying the San Francisco Chronicle by the way lost 50 million dollars He's losing a million dollars a week. They can't seem to stop bleeding didn't her say they were gonna shut it down They said if they don't sell it and they actually on January 9th I think was the ninth or the sixth of January They said that if they don't get The Seattle Post-Intelligencer, which is their other paper sold in 60 days

1:20:14 They're just going to shut it down. How long has that paper been around? 200 years? A long time, and the Chronicle which has been around since the 1800's they bought them from the other family because their examiner wasn't doing very well to say the least and it was losing money. And then they bought for this, I can't remember the name of the family that owned it but it was privately held. They bought, I think spent $600 million for the paper which of course...and now its costing them 50 million a year more just to keep the thing alive. I don't understand how you can...where's this money going?

1:20:57 I mean, it'd be interesting. I wish these people would open the books to the public so we could examine this just to see what's all the expense? Where is $50 million dollars? and a newspaper. First of all, paper is pretty outrageous when I mean you've seen these you've seen the roles at the printer i mean you look at that and then in the guy will say oh that's just for today's run like what this entire forest I see before me it's just for today's run so I think the paper is huge and ink is a huge expense and of course people but the real problem is on the income side Because this was basically a business that was being subsidized by classifieds and that's what the internet really usurped. The Internet doesn't necessarily have better news capabilities or it started now... I don't think this is good, which i think this Mule Skinner story is a good example of. I don't think that the Internet serves the public as well as a newspaper because there is no way of seeing ... you know these stories aren't put in perspective they're just million stories

1:21:59 And so with our blog we can take some of the stories that are more, you know we do mostly kind of weird little stories like this and we can kind of focus on that but if you're just going to run news feeds from Associated Press in a non-hierarchical manner I mean some of the best stories or some of them all the stories are buried. Which is exactly why this type of program is on fire because we're bringing up the buried stories trying to put some context around them just like two guys who've been around don't know really anything. We don't know nothing about much but that... No, but we've seen a lot and you can also spot the BS when because you know we both work in an industry thats filled with it Wasn't there another paper that filed for chapter 11?

1:22:50 Some other paper folded. I'm sure that there may be the Inquirer possibly, but we need... There's got to be a website and somebody could probably Twitter it to us or you know there's gotta be a website that has a newspaper death watch list. I mean it has to be. You know there are jerk journalists out there. I don't what these people are going do for work an ERC journalist who has put up a death watch site for all the different newspapers around the country. Because they're all doomed, I mean I was looking at the New York Times today as I was researching this sheep belching story which you started to show with and i'm looking

1:23:33 at this one page they had a thing on Brooklyn foodies and how there's a big trend in Brooklyn right now to do you know make just a bunch of people that are in Brooklyn doing you know the foodie thing. You know, they got special little restaurants and cool this and you know butcheries that are onsite at the actual place and stuff like And they had this picture of all these famous, I guess the superstar chefs and food people in Brooklyn. And there's a photo, big photo at the top of the story, great story very interesting if you're into this but instead of just having a list here is left to right, they have pictures about 10 people. You moused over the picture and every time the mouse hit that person head it would light up their name.

1:24:16 Which is fine. I think it's cool, there's nothing wrong with that but if you're a newspaper trying to cut costs what is the point of this? There is no way that this isn't like hand coded waste of time. There's not...I did know of no automated system that could do this Yeah, it's a hand-coded AJAX. And so somebody had to map these little figures by hand with the you know I mean sure maybe not taking a lot of time if you do it a lot but still time consuming and its pointless You could just have that let here is the picture left or right there blah blah blah and blah blah blah It actually kind more interesting because you can cut and paste that If you wanted save these people names you can't do that with this little AJAX roll over Less of the fancy stuff for us people putting show notes together please

1:25:04 Exactly. But the point is that here's a paper that's whining, another paper by the way The New York Times is whining and moaning and they want to do this and they want it all online Yeah... And then they do this crap which is needless yeah It's really neat I have to say it is cool but its stupid waste of time This costs money So newspaperdeathwatch.com would you believe it? Is that the name of it? Yep You'll like it This is a really detailed site Its got Yeah, it's got all kinds of... It's got the latest news and rumors. Here, SF Chronicle on life support Very funny they have Obama with we will recover on the cover that's funny That's pretty good We just got a couple more minutes John so I'll just run through The last bit in notes you don't have any more notes do ya? Nope! I'm done Okay So i was kind of amazed as the president said You know I've never had a helicopter before maybe I've been deprived

1:26:05 and I didn't know it. Boy oh boy, man! I know a bit about helicopters but if you have a budget... And of course this will be removed or changed or whatever Or maybe hidden and still go through? I don't know But for Fleet Of Helicopters Okay so It was originally 28 helicopters The original cost that Bush set up was $6 billion The project is now at 11.2 billion dollars You know, I just can't make the numbers work John for 28 helicopters. I just can't make it work! Even if it was a hundred million per helicopter you still cant get to 11 billion. Eleven billion dollars

1:26:50 Maybe it did with some of that money for the infrastructure or for the well usually what this is That includes maybe that includes all the salaries of all the pilots said, you know pushed out five years who knows? Well usually what this is is it's a great maintenance Fill her up Usually it means that they're essentially designing a whole new helicopter. You know, designing a new helicopter could easily cost $1 billion dollars but there's still 11 billion? I mean and... Yeah it sounds like cover for some money is going to be... You know what for 11 billion I want some stick time on that bad boy when its done That's what I want Give me a little bit of stick time This one caught my eye thought was pretty interesting

1:27:39 Antibodies protect against bird flu and more. Did you hear about this? Researchers have discovered human antibodies that neutralize not only H5N1, bird flu but other strains of influenza as well And they hope to develop them into life-saving treatments So what they're saying is hey You know what it could be one shot that fixes all flu including bird flu Yeah Do you believe in that Yeah, I read most of the briefings on this and they've discovered apparently over the years the flu vaccines are based on there's a sheath around the virus that keeps mutating every year and they can target that as a

1:28:26 something that they can make a vaccine for and kill the viruses that have whatever mutation is, and kind of predict it. Which ones are going to be successful? What's four? The way I read it there's something else discovered within the virus doesn't mutate it is a, it's fixed. It makes the flu what it is and there's nothing that changes with each iteration of the flu as it comes around and they now think they can target that with a vaccine of some sort and they've had early successes right away and if that's the case then the flu can be eradicated and that would include bird flu. Fascinating

1:29:12 Okay, well you know me. I'm not taking any shots yet...not for a long time If they have that shot and it comes through, I mean that shot I'd be lined up for. You're also going to be lined up for the FEMA camps John live from the FEMA camp! Yeah you know what? I think we'll have fair warning because...I'll be sending postcards is that what your saying? I'll be calling in Sunday morning and maybe your wife will come on and say, they took him away last night. I don't know that I can scurry up to Washington or do something. Or I got an exit that goes on the other side, it's like a mine under the house and takes me out and drops me off under Berkeley sewer system. You may want to leave sooner than you think man because just looking at the state of California, the drought which no one talks about anymore... Do they still mention in the news? They should because there are rain stars we had

1:30:08 over the last week or two have pretty much negated the drought. Is it gone for good now? It's a huge, one of these huge, it's like a big galvanized thing that you put tons of ice in and then you put beer in. And it is a big giant galvanized thing. It's about two feet high or maybe about foot and half. I went up to Washington. I came back this thing was dead empty when I left and we had this big storm last week and were having another one this weekend. It was full! I mean, that's about a foot and half of rain even though they said whatever how many eight inches they said or something like that. In China they do all this cloud seeding and they make it rain. Rain? How come they didn't- We used to do that. Oh yeah? Yeah then the environmentalists got bent out of shape with some silver salts aren't very good for you apparently

1:30:55 And then depending on how this, how the budget now plays out and how much bailout money California gets. The Los Angeles Sheriff is now saying hey I might have to let 4 000 inmates go I like that one. There's a threat Well now the other thing going on which i think applies to california more than anything else is the attempt by tom Ammiano and even though it was ridiculed by you know, I don't quite understand the libertarian republicans who are all less government less this less that more freedom they're so against this The guy's trying to legalize marijuana in the state of California And its actually being considered

1:31:32 And the reason for this consideration is because it could bring in a billion dollars in taxes right into the coffers. It changes the way we do incarceration, it saves billions that way, it changes the way we do law enforcement, it changes a whole bunch of things if you just legalize marijuana and everyone's up in arms – or the right wing is up and oh, you can't do that because it would be terrible! And, you know they did it in Amsterdam and now whatever happened in Amsterdam... No, it's being pulled away. Well they're not going to legalize it John I'll tell you why because the drug trade if it were completely illegal drug trade which of course look you're not sorry about that gosh hate when I say that let me be clear by making by taking let me be clear very clear by making marijuana legal the price will have to come down considerably

1:32:24 And the US government, and I'll just say it is in the drug trafficking trade. That's what Afghanistan is all about You know they're complicit in all of this stuff They do not want you on free or cheap drugs They want to get this big money that's what Wall Street was running on look at Stanford I mean This is all drug money how was...I had a lunch yesterday With a number of people was very proper English lunch and I was dressed in my pinstripes And it was at a real fancy restaurant right behind Harrod's and couple the guys are money managers for Saudi Royal family members

1:33:04 And, you know like princes and stuff. You know they manage billions of dollars and a couple of interesting things came out of that The first one was though complete agreement within seconds Of the topic being broached about what we're really doing in Afghanistan These guys said oh yeah it's all for the drugs That's why Like they knew... They were onto it immediately An then the other thing is They have hundreds of lawsuits right now Hundreds Because all these banks that or the insurance companies that provided insurance, you know basically a hedge on an investment so you take it investment in something and you buy insurance again. This is a lot of what these credit default options were swaps I'm sorry

1:33:49 So if it doesn't pay off the way you expected it, then you've paid a little bit each month relative of course what a little bit is and then you get to pay out so you never really lose your principal investment. That's kind of the idea of hedging your bets And the banks won't pay out, the insurers. And what they're doing is just waiting and sitting on it They are going to court system letting lawyers deal with it They are dragging all out because they know that either gonna get bailed out or something else will happen but not paying When you see these guys at that level we're talking hundreds of millions if no billions dollars No wonder this systems messed up The American public and British public and Europeans

1:34:32 They can't even print enough money to fix all of that problem. This whole thing has to go down, it has to change. Well that's why I probably would have been a good idea just let the insurance companies go bankrupt and you know these guys do so much for the credit default swaps So I don't know. Okay, well...I think we have another enlightening show but don't forget to vork.org slash NA go and help us out here and uh..we'll be back again on Sunday Yes! And i want to thank Rick Revolution on Twitter who has yet again put together beautiful piece of album art for us For this show You'l love this one John It's great I look forward to it It's in the same theme Yeah now this is...this ones hot

1:35:18 So yes, Dvorak.org slash NA for the donations to the Curry-Dvorak library We're looking to build something kind of like what Clinton has Yeah And Bush Doesn't Bush have a library he's putting together too? It's only comic books I understand Oh where is my rim shot Alright man So... Sunday? Yes Sunday looks good Okay Hey thanks for coming prepared That was kinda fun Yeah, I got my new...I bought one of these marble covered wide ruled composition notebook. And you carry it around? And I keep it over by the television so if ever turn the TV on and have this thing ready to go and write notes that says no agenda in front and thats all its for and I'll keep doing that and should make the show unfortunately made a little long today Nahh thats alright like I like the fact that you did the notes on the joint session

1:36:18 So we will talk to you again on Sunday, coming to you from the Crackpot Command Center in Southwest London located in Gitmo Nation East. I'm Adam Curry and I am here at the Buzzkill Center in Northern Silicon Valley. I am John C. Dvorak It's a buzz kill bunker actually. Oh, I like that buzz kill bunker We'll talk to you on Sunday right here on NOA Agenda Bye-bye everybody