Pollen Tsunami

00:00 Eat bugs. And from Northern Silicon Valley in the Tower of Terror where I won't botch the opening Mother's Day, buddy You were so low on that if I had to ride the levels to just get you out of the mist Here I am. Yeah in the morning finally out of the mist of the mist in the terror with a tower of terror

00:48 Yeah, all right. I get kids and you know They walk around your house with a wide berth. It's the crazy walk around trying not to fall down It's a crazy guy there in the in the Tower of Terror. Don't look at don't look yeah Well, let's say a happy Mother's Day right off the bat. Happy Mother's Day to you mother. Happy Mother's Day mama Neither of our mothers are with us. No, this is true. Yeah, well in spirit perhaps I get melancholy melancholy on days like this I do, I really do. I mean, I would say no to that because of the number of listeners, producers and supporters who

01:33 Chimed in about Mother's Day zero. I know this is part of the melancholy you see She's like everyone who listens to the show hates their mom. Yeah No mom donations could zero Well to be fair your newsletter was about eating bugs It was a little bit, but I did the one before that was about the mothers and you got nothing So what is this bug thing? This is this is I think I've heard this for a while a couple years This has been bubbling under but now it was Was it Banky Moon who came out and said that we also... No, no, the other day, the more corrupt of the two, Kofi Annan. Oh, Kofi Annan. Oh, Mr. World Food Program. Yeah, that guy. That guy. Eat bugs. While I steal the food money. And he goes on, he says, three million people eat bugs. Why don't you? Why don't you, Westerners? Well, this is an appropriate question. I've eaten grasshoppers.

02:28 You do? You routinely eat grasshoppers? No, of course not, but I have. You serve them for dinner, for friends? No, I have. I'm just saying I have. I have. You've served them for dinner? No, I have eaten them. They've been served to me. I refuse to eat bugs. Screw it. Too old for this crap. Why don't we just scratch off that survivor episode they wanted you for? Okay. Fine. You're off the list. Anyway, by presidential proclamation, this is of course Mother's Day. The president has proclaimed it thus. But a little twist today. A little twist. This time it's a little chubby checker. You got a little twist. Each May, Americans dedicate a day to honor the remarkable women who strive and sacrifice all year to ensure ours is a nation where all things are possible.

03:18 Whether married or single, LGBT or straight, biological, adoptive or foster, mothers are the bedrocks of our lives and the foundation of our society. Very nice. They are our first friends and teachers. That's interesting. The president even got a little melancholy on this whole thing. I wonder why answer I don't know I said his mother's also gone isn't she yes of course of course no about that of course All right, can't rig the whole thing the way. They're doing it with the mom around No, so Let me see what you've been doing eating bugs I Went to I went to Swan Lake last night and

04:04 to the ballet. Yeah. Have you ever seen it? Have you ever been? Who took you? Yeah. Who took you to who? I got the tickets myself by the I saw it announced the Austin Ballet and I said, you know, so let me get this. I've never seen Swan Lake. I might as well do it now. Is that so strange? Oh my God, Swan Lake is playing. Let me get some tickets immediately. I knew you were going to be a dick about it. Oh yeah. Have you seen Swan Lake? Yeah. Apparently you thought it was no good. I thought it was a little slow moving. I kind of what I like the most it was over before you knew it. This I liked the way they have it set up here in the long center so you can just like Broadway you can take your drink in in a sippy cup.

04:50 which works great, sippy cup, and then you can prepay for the intermission and then your drink is sitting there waiting for you. And the intermission is like, you know, 35, 40 minutes, intermission, then another 20, and another 20, boom, we're done. It was nice, I liked it. I like Tchaikovsky. I'm glad to hear that. I already knew the music. Look, it was not Nureyev on stage, okay? I can tell you that. Some is this some fat guy. I mean Now come on did you see Nureyev dance versus anybody come on? Yeah? Well, that's true operation call for any of these guys. It's yeah Yeah, it was nice look listen. You have one of the best ballet companies in the world here in San Francisco. You know you do I know

05:33 All I the thing I really thought was cool is I've never seen it before and people in 1877 were watching this the same performance on stage. I think that's still watching It's kind of cool. Did you think that in 200 years people will be listening to the no agenda show? Let's hope not Hey, what's this thing USB stick? What the hell is that? USB would you look at these CDs? Well, that's the problem with doing topical material. What are these shiny discs? I've always found that to be disappointing. What? Topical material. It has no legs. You mean historical topical material? No, topical material like what we're doing. Well, we are recording... Who reads the London Times from 1840? Nobody. True. But, you know.

06:24 So you enjoy the show, who'd you take? And there's Tracy. Of course. She's my cultural attache. Hello. Does she enjoy it? Yeah. That's all I can. Oh yeah. Yeah, exactly. Hey, I liked it. How much did the tickets cost? Don't even get me started. Actually, they had tickets starting... To me, let me guess what they would be if I'm thinking... Let me try to think logically about this. You're in Austin, Texas, and that's a kind of a One of these capital towns, those capital city, you know, people were dressed up. There's gotta be a lot of pretense. People were dressed up. It's the long center, which is our big, you wear a tux. No, there were people with bow ties and all that stuff. Any tuxes? Sure. A couple. Yeah. And the women all dressed up all pretty. You look great in a tux. I do look good. Tall guy in a giant tux. I do look good in a tux. Armani.

07:18 By the way, it was Hugo Boss who... Yes, oh right, I wanted to do a mea culpa. Please, hit your mea culpa. Yes, it was not Armani who built or made the suits for the SS Waffen SS or anybody else in there. It was Hugo Boss. And they look cool, you gotta be honest. Yes, and Hugo Boss' stuff still looks good. Hey Hugo, can I have one of those armbands? I really like what you did there. The error in judgment. Oh man. All right, what do we have to talk about? Well, there's different things. Maybe you would like to start it off with...and I think you predicted it correctly, the election in the UK. And as you predicted, this is the whole media narrative of it being very close, too close to call, which is just to soak the parties and any money they can just to suck it up and soak it in, to take it.

08:16 But it didn't seem that close at all. Well, let's start with a couple of clips that reaffirm this problem that nobody in the media wants to identify for obvious reasons, because they would just be taking money out of their own pockets. That's the gig. So they're stunned by this sort of thing. So let's play a couple of these clips indicating that. Let's try Cameron's surprise win. This is on Deutsche Welle. All right, now to the other story here in Europe dominating the headlines, that dramatic outcome of the British general election. Dramatic. The polls predicted a dead heat between the Conservatives and the Labour Party. Prime Minister David Cameron pulled off a stunning and decisive victory. Cameron's stories won a clear mandate. Yeah, they'll now form a majority Conservative government, leaving all the major contenders in political freefall.

09:06 Yay, political freefall. Yeah. Here's another one. Cameron Wynn. This is the PBS. Joining me for more on the outcome is Robin Niblett. He's the director of Chatham House, an independent policy institute in London. Independent. Is this number two you're playing? I think it's number one. Let me check. Oh, I'm sorry. My mistake. No. They're both named. That's weird. The United Kingdom woke up on this day after national elections to find the same political party in charge, but with a message from voters that will take some sorting out.

09:49 In the end, it was a trouncing by the Tories, as Prime Minister David Cameron and his Conservative Party won an outright majority in Parliament. He'll return to No. 10 Downing Street for another five-year term after a bruising campaign. We must ensure that we bring our country together. I don't know what happened to that clip. Skip it! Go to the number two clip. Joining me for more on the outcome is Robin Niblett. He's the director of Chatham House, an independent policy institute in London. Robin Niblett, welcome. So how do you read these results? Well, they're remarkable in the sense that no one predicted them coming out quite the way they did. People thought the conservatives might be able to cobble together a majority, but an outlying majority was not expected. I think it tells us

10:36 that at some level the British people are still pretty cautious. Yeah, sure. And we might as well do one more, just to keep pounding this home, which is British arithmetic. Ah, yes, of course. Party leader Ed Miliband has now resigned. Britain needs a Labour party that can rebuild after this defeat so we can have a government that stands up for working people again. And now it's time for someone else to take forward the leadership of this party. Two other leaders have also quit. First, Nick Clegg of the Liberal Democrats, who was deputy prime minister in the previous coalition government. Then Nigel Farage of the Eurosceptic party UKIP. It attracted 13% of the vote, but only won one seat. A bitter pill for Farage, but that's British electoral arithmetic.

11:29 You know, there's a big thing going on. There's a bunch of protests that weren't covered by the media. Now, you know, I'm going to disagree with you right there because it was covered by the media. Well, I saw... Yes, by the BBC even. I saw it. Then I stand or sit, as it were, corrected. But let's talk about this PR thing, which is the proportional representation, which is a big...they're fussing about. Well, the losers are fussing about it for sure. Yeah, but look at this. I mean, here's I've got a list of these. Here's the percentage wins. It's the conservatives got 36% of the vote. Labor got 30% of the vote. And, you know, it's reflective.

12:07 The liberal Democrats got eight votes, the UKIP got one, the SNP, the Scots, they got 56 members in and others were 23. And if you look at the percentage, the vote percentage is 36 for the conservatives, 30 for the labor. The next group that comes after that is UKIP with 13%. They got 1%. Then under them is the liberal Democrats who got eight. people with 7.9% of the vote. The Scots only had 4.7% of the vote and they got 56 people in as though there's some giant revolution taking place, which I think is a mistake to think about. And then others, including the Green Party, had only 7% of the vote and they got 23 people. Not the Green Party didn't get 23, but other got 23. So UKIP is the third most popular group, obviously, in the country. They got one joker.

13:02 Well, we can't have them doing anything of any substance. Well, it's the style, the way the elections are. They have these little groups, they have like a small contingent. But is it really that different? I mean, of course it's different, but in fairness... We do it differently. ...with the electoral college? We do it with gerrymandering. Yeah, and bribery and hookers and blackmail. That's how we roll. Yeah, we do it much differently. And it's more fun for everybody, to be honest. You may lose, but did you see that, Hooger? The problem is, for me, is that Farage thinks he's going to quit now. He's not quitting. He's coming back in September. I've already seen this happening. He's going to come right back. September, October, Farage will be back. He's the one who got them up to 13%. I think almost single-handedly at least.

13:52 But whether you're ever gonna get enough, you know, to do it the right way to get 13% of the right groupings... Adam O'Reilly So is there an easy way to explain exactly how this happens with the UK system? So our producers at work or around the water cooler can speak with it some... Dr. Kahn Yeah, the easy way is that it's kind of the British version of gerrymandering. You get these...you can get...like, say you got, okay, they got 13% of the overall vote. But it was like just under in a bunch of different areas where they were trying to run people against very popular candidates. It's just an arithmetic thing. It's like you can't... Adam Chapnick Well, what is it based on? Is it based on area? Dr. John B. Hanlon If you run everywhere as a...you know, different all kinds of UCIP candidates run and they all lose, but they get a close number of votes to the guy who won, they... Adam Chapnick Ah, okay. Yeah. So they lose that particular district or area.

14:48 Yeah, but they got a lot of votes but didn't help. So what? You got a lot of votes. I mean, Gary Johnson ran as the Libertarian and got a million votes. So what? What does that accomplish? You got a million votes. He actually almost got two million votes. I voted for him, by the way. So there were some protests outside Parliament, I believe. BBC did cover it, despite the... It didn't take long, people tweeting me like, this is not being covered! Blackout! Media blackout! Blackout! Well, no, not... There were those... That wasn't me. No, it wasn't you. Traffic cones and smoke bombs were thrown at the police as they confronted demonstrators in Whitehall.

15:32 The police sent four of their officers and one civilian member of staff were injured. Two required hospital treatment. It started as a demonstration outside the gates of Downing Street against the election of a new Conservative government and what the protesters saw as five more years of austerity and welfare cuts. Yeah, bend over here comes again people. Yeah Now the problem I see it in England is going to be Brexit the Brexit. Well that is coming for that That's not gonna happen. Let's face it. They're gonna they're gonna manipulate that so that so they vote. Oh, we love the EU There's no way they're getting out but then but the conservatives now feel they have a mandate because they before they

16:21 They won the majority this time. The last election, they didn't have the majority, so they had to do a deal with the liberal Democrats, which I think cost the liberal Democrats all these seats. They lost like 50 of them or something because the liberal Democrats and the conservatives shouldn't be in bed together. It just doesn't make sense. And it looks like the liberal Democrats sold out. So now that the conservatives don't have to deal with these guys, these characters, they can now run roughshod over the country and I think that's what's going to happen. And of course, the minute we were done with the show on Thursday, I was watching, you know, I don't know. It's a boring process. At least we have hats and streamers and we got little whistles and stuff. Hats and streamers. They need hats. They do. You'd expect that they would know about hats and have that going for them. But no, no, no, no, no.

17:19 Well, I think it might make it more entertaining when they have that parliamentary thing they do every week, I guess, where they yell back and forth at each other. Oh, just in Parliament. When they have regular session, you mean? Yeah, the session where they come up and the guy asks questions. And the one guy, what is his name, Ed Balls, whoever it is. How unfortunate. He got voted out, but he was, they always liked, he always got called on because the head of the, whatever it's, the Parliament, the House of Commons, the head of it, who runs it, loves to yell out, Ed Balls. Well, of course.

17:59 It's too funny. Ed Balls! I have an update. One of our producers, I'm gonna see who sent me this, I think it was producer Alex. He's our guy in Panama and he said you overlooked something on the German wings preliminary report. This is the, you know, the suicide pilot. And of course I was surprised that they did ultimately find the the flight data recorder. By the way, in this report they say they found the whole data recorder and had to pry the memory module out of it. So that official report, and it was AP, and I'm sure I think it'd be everyone's reporting that the memory chip had popped out and they couldn't find it. So anyway, so now they, and this thing, they have a picture of it, you can't even, it's like a little blob of coal or something. And somehow they got the data off of it. But there's one little thing that I missed on page 28,

18:56 and I have it here in front of me. So I'll read the... this is a rundown of what they recorded with the cockpit voice recorder and the flight data recorder. Interphone sounded cockpit 4 minutes 40 after captain left. Three other calls on the interphone sounded the cockpit. None of the calls using the interphone elicited any answer. And then, this is 33 seconds before impact. Yeah, I can't make this shit up. An input on the right side stick was recorded for about 30 seconds, but was not enough to disengage the autopilot. So 33 seconds, which as we know is usually a little bit of code. 33 seconds. 33 seconds. Hello. The, uh, so the right side stick, that would be the first officer side, the co-pilot. And he was apparently a court, if you're going to believe their whole, um, uh, their whole report,

19:53 He was trying to put some kind of input into the side stick, but it wasn't enough to disengage the autopilot, which I don't know enough about that particular system. And yes, autopilot doesn't disengage if you just kind of tap a little bit or do something, or at least it shouldn't for accidental tappage. But this would, this could mean a couple of things. One, he had remorse at the last minute, but for some reason couldn't do anything about it. Two, he just keeled over and something touched the side stick. Or he was really trying to, so they give no data, they don't tell us how much pressure was, or input was actually recorded. And you know, there are numbers for that. He was trying to disengage, but perhaps the autopilot was uninterruptible.

20:43 That would be my final analysis. Yeah, if you're gonna stick with your theory. Yeah. He was trying to correct the problem. Yep. Didn't have time to do anything. Or it wouldn't have mattered how much input. I'd love to... we have a lot of Airbus airmen, and if they know anything about this, I'd love to hear from them. Because I know a lot about aviation, but I've never flown an Airbus. Nor would I, damn plastic airplane! I've flown a simulator Airbus. Yeah. We crashed it, of course. Yeah.

21:20 That's very hard. It's very, very hard. So in elections here in the United States is a new meme that is popping up and I actually got a story about it. I think NORAD put out a report regarding this but I have clips from three different people involved in the elections. Two who are running and one who's a douchebag who was covering the elections and the first one is presumably the front-running The GOP candidate Ted Cruz. That the day Iran acquired operational nuclear weapons, those weapons might well be used. The threat is unacceptable. They could be used, as some discussion has been had, to launch an EMP attack. Mm-hmm. EMP attack.

22:06 Then we just got news that NORAD is returning to Cheyenne. They'd moved out of the Cheyenne Mountain near Colorado Springs and now they're moving back in. Oh, I didn't know this. Yes, and they say, here it is, why? Because the enormous bunker in the hollowed out mountain built to survive a Cold War era nuclear conflict can also resist an electron electromagnetic pulse attack or an EMP. Here is... But they would know this before they moved out. It wasn't just discovered. Maybe they are more worried about one. Maybe they moved out so something screwy could be put in there.

22:45 Yeah, here is Michael Huckabee, also a hopeful for the Republican Party. We face not only the threats from terrorism, but also the threat of new kinds of dangers, from a cyber war that could shut down major financial markets to threats of an electromagnetic pulse from an exploded device. that can fry the entire electrical grid and take this country back to the Stone Age in a matter of minutes. Booyah! We can fry the grid and take this country back to the Stone Age in a matter of minutes, bitches. Vote for Mike! What the hell is that?

23:25 And then of course if you want to know what the agenda is being run by the Republican Party, you can listen to a couple of people. I'd suggest this guy. Iran is detonating missiles at exactly the altitude for an EMP. You've, what they're launching, and this is the head of their military. Since when? They keep launching these missiles and they keep blowing up at exactly... Yeah, they keep blowing up because they're pieces of crap. Wow, you're missing the whole point he's going to tell you. They keep blowing up... Exactly... They keep launching these missiles and they keep blowing up at exactly the same altitude. I don't know what it is, but let's just say it's, you know, 21,000 feet. Oh, great report. So it goes...

24:06 I don't know what it is. I don't know what it is. Let's say 21,000 feet. Sounds good. It goes up 21,000 feet, it blows up. And the press would say a failure of the missile. Next one, goes up 21,000 feet, blows up. Next one, 21,000 feet, blows up. They've done this now for several years and it keeps blowing up at exactly the same altitude. And this is why you have to keep doing it. Why do they have to keep doing it? They've done it for several years. Let's send it up. Boom. Send another one up. Let's do it again. What's the point? This is what the leader of their missile program said. They were asked, you know, what do you say about all these failures? And he said, failures? Failure can only be judged when you know exactly what you're trying to do. It's real! It's real! It's real!

25:01 So this will be...and I think we have this in the previous election cycle in the general election or maybe in 2008 when we had the EMP thing. Was that the last time we heard about it? Howard Glassman Well, I don't...I remember it was probably 2008 because I remember you were all in on it. And that's the... John Maher Oh, I still have a Faraday bag with the ham radio in it. Howard Glassman Well, you should have a Faraday bag. John Maher Yeah, of course. Howard Glassman You can wear it as a hat. What do you got on your head? A Faraday bag. Oh, okay, that's bare aluminum foil. Then we went to, when you were selling your little Cessna, we ran into some guy who was an engineer and he lectured us about this, about the impossibility of it. What was that? I can't remember. That was in the lounge at the airport.

25:48 There was this guy who just happened to be working. He worked for Lockheed or something. Oh, it's Oakland. Oakland Airport. Was that it? I think yeah. The Oakland Airport. I vaguely remember that. Well, I remember it and the guy went on and on about it and he discussed why this is bullcrap, this whole thing is just a bunch of nonsense. Well, for Huckabee and Cruz to say it, and Black Beck... It's exciting. And I think it's been on the TV shows quite a bit. They talk about it a ton. It's a threat. Well, luckily, if we need to know anything, regardless of who becomes president, if we want to know,

26:27 What is going on in the military slash military industrial complex? We have a new group and a new guy to go to and you'll never guess who it is. Well, it's not Bayer. Nope. And it's a guy so it's not a guy. He's no longer in politics. He retired. But he once was. He once was a, he was a congressman and he represented, he was the chairman of a... So it's not Lieberman because he was a senator. He was a chairman of a very important committee. Oh, the bonehead, the guy from Michigan? With the radio talk show him? That's the one! Mike Rogers! Yeah! And did the show ever go on the air? No, I think he, this was like a red herring or something. No, wait a minute.

27:12 His bio says he's a staple on radio. What does that even mean? A staple. A staple. I don't know. A staple like, you know, it's like bread. Ah. Yeah, Mike Rogers. Yeah, yeah. It's like bread. So he has this new outfit called APPS. I can just see them eating. APPS. Stands for Americans for Peace, Prosperity and Security. And when you think about it, that's a horrible name for radio. Because you're just going to plop in, Americans for Peace and Prosperity and Securities. He has a little video on his website to explain what he is. I took off the first 30 minutes of bullcrap. Apps. Apps, yeah. But the threat matrix facing America. Oh, let's just stop right there. Threat Matrix. Threat Matrix.

28:04 Are you ready for it? The Threat Matrix. It's a matrix, alright Mike. But the threat matrix facing America today has never been broader. From ISIS and radical Islam, nuclear Iran, to cyber hacking attempts to disrupt our very way of life. Our presidential leadership and emphasis on American security. Will that screw my ballet next time? The very way of life? Can I not go to the ballet because of cyber? From ISIS and radical Islam, nuclear Iran, to cyber hacking attempts to disrupt our very way of life. Our presidential leadership and emphasis on American security has never been more critical.

28:42 Hi, I'm Mike Rogers. Hey Mike. And I formed a new organization, Americans for Peace, Prosperity and Security, to ensure the next president is prepared to address today's threats on day one. We'll raise the level of debate by moving candidates beyond just rhetoric and talking points, and we'll inform and involve citizens in early presidential nominating states on national security issues. Yes. To help elect a president who supports American engagement and a strong foreign policy. By connecting top foreign policy and business leaders with grassroots activists, APPS will be the premier national security and foreign policy organization during the 2016 debate. We are going to make a difference and you can too. Join us. Contact APPS today. Learn more about our mission and help keep America safe and secure for your family and for the future generations of Americans.

29:30 Is this guy think he is well, did you see who's on his board? Oh god. Yeah, he's got it He's got it. He's gonna we're gonna be hearing from Mike Rogers. Let's hope not Greg Brown chairman CEO of Motorola a big deal John Coburn former commanding general US Army. Yeah, I Yeah, okay. Steve Hadley. The usual suspects, the guys who can make it happen. Not a bunch of guys he rounded up. I think that some of these people can make it happen. Name one, I haven't heard one yet. Okay, let me go to their team. Team. Team. So this is Mike. We have, I thought we had a guy from BEA Systems on there as well.

30:17 which would make sense if we're gonna go with airbusters. Now I hear people's names like Kissinger. Yeah, there's no one there. You're right. Yeah, that guy's a stooge. You don't think? I think what he did, he's saying, you know, the guy who's done the best job of making something out of nothing is this character Grover Norquist. And Grover Norquist, of course, shows up and he has this pledge. He makes all these Republican signs saying they won't raise taxes. The tax pledge. Personally, if I, with my representative, and it was, let's say it was a Republican, let's say I was a Republican.

30:56 and my representative signed off on this Grover Norquist pledge, I'd say, hey, my guy's supposed to be working for me, not for Grover Norquist. I would vote him out. And this was, I think, when Roger saw how well it worked, because everyone had to sign the pledge or they'd go after you. Oh, you're going to raise taxes. Let's vote him out. Let's bring in a conservative, some new guy, a neocon or something. So I believe, and I would also guess that Roger signed this thing. I would bet money on it. Probably.

31:32 He said, yeah, that's a great idea. I think I can do that because there's money to be made. He thinks he's going to become a multi-millionaire. I agree. And if you look, because of course I would have them on my calendar for the next Form 990 filing. Well, not so much. Contributions are not tax deductible for federal income tax purposes. So he's just asking for money to put in his pocket. He's not even a non-profit. He wouldn't even go through the trouble of doing the 501. No, I don't think he can. That does have restrictions with it, certainly if you're going to be working with Republicans, which he may be, I don't know. Well, he's probably going for the Koch brothers' money. Yes. Good luck. Apps. I thought it was funny, apps. It is funny, it's hilarious. Apps. Please, Mike Rogers.

32:26 And he doesn't seem like a guy who's really that sharp that he could... Jay Haynes He seems like a guy...well, he does a good read, reasonably good read in front of the camera, that works. Maybe he's seeing the Huckabee route. He's like, you know, let me get involved early, but I'll make my friends early, bring him on in, and this money-making exercise will be on the radio. And then maybe just like Mike, I can go and run for president one day. Jim Collins Yeah, I don't know. Well, we'll have to keep track of that. We have to get some copies of his show. I don't even know if it's on the air yet. It's gotta be. Mike Rogers, well let me guess, Mike Rogers Show. Oh yeah, it'd definitely be called the Mike Rogers Show. Oh, something to talk about. Is it with a D or not? No, no. It's something to talk about with Mike Rogers. And, hmm, when is it supposed to launch? It's a cumulus, right? This is the... The cumulus? Yeah.

33:25 Isn't that Limbaugh's guys? No, he's a VIB. Yeah, okay, but this is Westwood one Westwood one cumulus is a part of Westwood one or whatever I can't keep I don't think he's on the air yet John hmm strange. It's probably cuz he stinks Yeah, that could be a distinct possibility. I think it's supposed to be a daily show. And if he's going to do a real talk show, daily talk show, that's three hours a day and mostly you yakking because the days of the call-in have kind of slowly evolved into pontificating coming on. The best example of that would be show

34:10 Sean Hannity. This guy comes on and he just can't stop talking. And then he goes, then he does the TV thing. Well, once you're in that vibe, once you're really rolling on a regular schedule, it gets pretty, if you have people to help. Oh yeah, no, you have the writers, you have a lot of help. That's true. But this guy, this Hannity, I think even, I mean, Limbaugh does his radio show and he doesn't do anything else. Hannity does the radio show plus an hour a day. of TV, which is really, is just as difficult. I don't know how he even does it, but it's yak, yak, yak, a guy can't stop talking. And so Rogers goes from being kind of a dummy to this, it's not possible. Taking a lot of calls. We'll keep our eyes on him. I miss him, you know, he was always funny when he was talking about how we're all gonna die and ISIS is gonna kill you in your sleep.

35:07 He's a cumulus. Cumulus, yeah. And now, of course, we're seeing all the issues are starting to crop up because whatever happens, you know, you have to hate Republicans. They're obviously evil. Oh yeah. But there was a very strange show business news, actually, that to me immediately was apparent what was going on, but I have a clip from NBC and I have a clip from CNN where both times this guy is being interviewed and the obvious question really doesn't come up even though all of his talking points or memes are right in it. This is

35:44 Sophia Vagaria's ex-fiancé. Mike Rogers? Yes! No, his name is Lube. Lube? Nicholas Nick Lube. L-O-E-B. L-O-B-E? L-O-E-B. L-O-E-B. Oh, Lube. Yeah, I said Lube. I like Lube better. Now he is an elite. He is from the I think he's from... isn't he somehow deliberated to the Lehman Brothers family? He'd been around. Actually, he also worked for his uncle's film studio, Universal Studios, as an advisor. Oh yeah. Easy money. Primary colors. There he is. Here it is. Oh, he worked with Lehman Brothers. That's what it was.

36:39 Anyway, so he's an elite, and here's what happened. He and Sofia Vergaria froze two impregnated embryos. I know, this is why it's a fascinating story. And so they broke up. The way he tells the story, not in these clips, is, you know, they tried to... she wanted to have a surrogate, so they implanted two embryos into a surrogate. And one was rejected, the other was a miscarriage. It took him like four years and then eventually they broke up, as he says, because he really wanted kids and she didn't. They had frozen. She's got like the body to crank out kids. She's nuts. I mean, she is like, if you look at her... You don't know what her reasons are. That's not for you to say.

37:37 It's a ball actress a reason it's gonna ruin my girlish figure Screwball actress that's a reason ladies and gentlemen on no agenda you hear what everybody's actually thinking yeah screwball actress and by the way well actress by the way as we know never marry an actress a bad idea I mean Scarlett Johansson was pregnant had a couple of kids so far and she was pregnant during the filming of this movie So this guy is suing now before his two girls back. He says they're girls and he went almost it didn't name them, but he could have and So now the controversy which is clearly as the girls there in their frozen. Oh, you mean the only thing the girls are frozen Sophia Sophia has a new a new guy and he has he's I think he has a I don't know if he has new whatever

38:30 But he wants to have him back and he wants to raise the girls. He said, I want my bring my girls, but hashtag bring my girls back. But of course, they're not frozen eggs, then they're embryos. I said embryos. Yeah, you did say embryos, but I was not registering this. And so they were fertilized eggs. Yes. Well, how do they know they're girls? Or is he just wishful thinking? Well, this is exactly what the debate should be about but you know it's Hollywood so we're gonna this is going to spin up and then we have this obvious place this has to go. You each signed an agreement saying neither of you would bring this embryo to term without the other's consent. I mean it sort of seems like a dead issue at this point is it? Sofia Vergara, a beautiful actress she's about to get married she's starting this new life very successful she doesn't want to have a child with her ex.

39:20 You are perceived as the guy who cannot let go of a relationship. She wants to move on. We filed this back in October. This is not something that is new. This has nothing to do with this at all. This has to do with bigger, really moral, legal, ethical... concepts that are out there about lives we've already created and nothing to do with anything else. He's wrong. It's got a lot to do with something else. The movie with Sofia Vergara and Reese Witherspoon that's a dog, a turkey out there trying to get some attention. That's what it's about. I didn't know she had a movie out. Yes. Okay. Well, there's that. This timing is so weird. All right. The op-ed comes out. He also wrote an op-ed in the New York Times about this case, which of course, you know, if I write an op-ed, do you think the New York Times is going to publish it? No. Right at the very time. No, no, no, no, no. They won't even publish Uncle Don's op-eds anymore.

40:20 Well, there's reasons for that. by her team in the press and I felt that I needed to come out and correct the record. I submitted the op-ed to the New York Times a week before it even went out. I have no control of the New York Times prints their op-eds. Any financial motivation, Nick? Because I think people are going, why would he be doing this? She's asking anything but the important questions. What's the deal? Not only do I not have any financial motivation, I've offered her to waive all financial responsibilities.

41:00 I'll financially pay to raise this child, put her through college. I mean, I can give these children a wonderful life. I mean, and these girls will be raised knowing that they have a father who fought so hard for them that they'll know that they'll be loved so much. You can understand as a mother, as from Sophia's perspective. I can't help but laugh. How did we get to doing this story? Well, I just see these two embryos going, Daddy, we're so cold. We're so cold. Bring us up to life. Fight for us, Daddy. Fight for us. The right answer is, I know what the right answer is if you didn't do it, which was, it's Mother's Day. No, no, that's not it. I'll go to the CNN thing. You'll hear what it's about. This is for that damn movie. That's not for the movie. This is for political purposes. It's very important because you already asked groundwork for something that's going to have. Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes. This is about when does life begin?

42:00 This is always the big question, the big argument. And we know we have to...Hillary certainly will have to make Republicans look like a-holes over conception. But here we go with this guy sympathetic for these two embryos, which are apparently from his perspective was when life began. And if something bad happens to him, they blame the...of Gregoria as being a murderer or something. I don't know how this is going to end up. It's strange you don't see this. When it comes to Planned Parenthood, when it comes to abortion, when it comes to pro-life, pro-choice, the question is always at what point does this matter? At what point

42:44 No, I know they're always trying to move this like there's like a point. I'd say this is a pretty big move all the way to embryo. Yeah, they're moving right to the... Yes! Very, very beginning. And that's exactly what the pro-lifers... Yes. ...promote. Yes, that's why he calls them girls. That's why he talks as if they're already human beings. So you think he's a pro-life, a stooge for the pro-lifers? Totally! Okay. Creating new lives. This is from CNN. just to get it started because connecting any issue to Hollywood is fantastic. This is fantastic. Okay, let me back up a little bit and try to put my brain in the same gear yours seems to be in which would go like this. You back up and this is to promote the idea that Hollywood

43:33 in general are a bunch of douchebags. Yes, yes, yes, this is exactly right. He's a Republican. He wants his embryo so he can raise these beautiful girls. Yes, I want my embryos. To be, you know, have a wonderful life and Sophia is an Hollywood Democrat a-hole. Yes. Won't let him do it. So Hollywood is now associated with a-holes the way we try to do with the gun lovers being associated with the Republicans. So we're dealing with deep psychological Listen to what the guy says in the CNN interview, then you'll agree with me. Just listen to how he's framing the conversation. We had to go through the process again of creating new lives. When that happened, two more female lives. Right there! We went through the process again of creating new lives and then we had two female lives. That's what he's saying right here. We had to go through the process again of... I don't know how to get the female out of this, but okay.

44:30 creating new lives. When that happened, two more female lives were created again. Or saved or created, we're not sure. You use the term creating lives. Not everyone believes that embryos are lives. Why do you believe that you've already created a life? Well I've always believed that life begins at conception. How else would I define what two embryos are that happen to be female. I can't say that these are female property. These are lives, and they're on a journey and a pathway to being born. Okay, all right, all right. A journey and a pathway to being born. Now I see what you're up to.

45:08 Donna, yeah, the guy's okay. So American businessman son of Joseph Loeb jr. See us guy happy Mother's Day Sophia you heartless bitch You're not letting them go on their natural path to becoming found road roads and Lehman family founder of the Lehman Brothers Okay, so he's he's let me think from his financial background. He's a republic. I would think that would be correct Yes, yes, and so he's playing Yeah, he's playing this psychological strategy to make the Hollywood women, those actresses... And he's a handsome guy. He's a very good-looking guy. Well-spoken. He's pretty good-looking. And in his op-ed, he says, the second time the surrogate miscarriage felt crushed, a year later we tried again, creating two more embryos, both female. But as we began to discuss other potential surrogates... How did you make this female? I don't get that.

46:05 I can only read what the New York Times prints. We're not in control of when they print or what they print. A year later we tried again, creating two more embryos, both female. But as we began to discuss other potential surrogates, it became clear once more that parenthood was much less urgent for her than it was for me. We had been together for over four years. As I was coming on 40, I gave her an ultimatum. When she refused, we split up. By the way, you're an asshole. But okay. Then he said, a few months later, I asked her to let me have the embryos, offering to pay all expenses to carry our girls to term and raise them. She wants to keep them frozen indefinitely. Wait, is there a new Frozen movie coming up? That might be a side benefit to these guys. Could be. Yeah, could be. Some people are worth being frozen for.

46:55 Yeah, so this to me was pretty obvious. Do you want to hear more of the CNN thing? No, I'm done. I think you made your point. I think it was very good. It was very good because it was a triple whammy. You get the publicity for the movie, you get the publicity maybe pre-publicity for some other movie, this guy gets the pound, the Hollywood starlets as heartless bitches. Yeah, who are Democrats, of course. Yeah, who are all Democrats by stereotype. Republicans in Hollywood don't speak up unless they're executives and they rarely talk. Because they always claim, oh, I'm never going to get work again. They're always bitching. And there's probably as many Republicans just like any place else as there are Democrats in Hollywood, but they never say anything. Because they'll never get work again.

47:48 Anyway, we're gonna see more of these things. It was just a new twist I thought it was interesting how they slip that one slip that one in if we don't I mean, you know, I'm sure you are not following Vigaria news No, no, I'm not exactly that's my point. I think she's something of a fake At least I from my understanding people who are you know Mexicans? They say this accent of hers is bogus. Oh, oh really? I didn't know that yeah a couple of people said that hmm Exaggerated bullcrap. Yeah. Let's see. Where do you want to go? I have all kind of discombobulated little bits and pieces. Well, let's go with the NSA being rebuked finally. Somebody's— Yeah, yeah, yeah. Let's do that. That's good. Play. Here's the intro. You can talk about it. NSA rebuke. A federal appeals court has ruled the National Security Agency's bulk collection of millions of Americans' phone records illegal.

48:42 The program was exposed by NSA whistleblower Edward Snowden. The ACLU filed its lawsuit, based largely on Snowden's revelations. In a unanimous decision Thursday, a three-judge panel of the Second Circuit Court of Appeals in New York called the bulk phone records collection unprecedented and unwarranted. The ruling comes as Congress faces a June 1st deadline to renew the part of the Patriot Act that author authorizes the NSA's bulk data surveillance. Another measure, the USA Freedom Act, would reform some of the NSA's programs. Yeah, neither one of those. The USA Freedom Act is also not what we want. No, of course not. That's why you can tell by the name. Yeah. Let's put freedom in the title. They'll think it really gives them some freedom. Yeah, exactly.

49:26 And again, we have stories of Clapper explaining how he really misunderstood the question. He forgot when he was asked if there was bulk spying. He said, no, not wittingly, but he thought it was about Section 716. And they didn't know that question was going to be asked because, of course, all the questions are always sent over in advance for these little get-togethers on the Hill. So they're bringing that back in. But even when they do that, they still don't swear him in. Correct. And there was another, I wonder if I saved that article. Yes, Congress once again has told the court that it cannot be investigated under insider trading. This keeps on cropping up that even after the president signed the the Stock Act into law, lawyers

50:22 Well, didn't the Stock Act just require filing that paperwork that they bury down underneath the office? In the basement, yeah, where you can only get it if you make a copy. Yeah, you have to go... No, you can't even make a copy. I thought you could make a Xerox copy. I thought you had to hand write it out. In Braille. Yeah. Lawyers for the House of Representatives in a brief filed last summer claimed an SEC investigation of congressional insider trading needs to be blocked on principle because lawmakers and their staff are constitutionally protected from such inquiries given the nature of their work. It's great. It's a bonanza. But the SEC should have already sort of known this. And the fact that they are doing this is interesting by itself. It's harassment. Of course it's harassment. Some specific person. Yeah, we know that they don't actually do anything real. If we can figure out who the target of this was, we might be on to something else that might be fun. Well, let's see who screams the loudest about it. Right now it's Boehner. So, you know, that would be... That's who it is.

51:22 I've got it here. Brian Sutter, then a staffer for the House Ways and Means Committee, is that one of Boehner's committees? I don't think so. Maybe. Allegedly passed along information about an upcoming Medicare decision to a lobbyist who then shared the tip with other firms. Bleeding hedge funds used the insider tip to trade on health insurance stocks that were affected by the soon-to-be-announced Medicare decision. Yeah, and you know, We can talk about this now. Why don't we talk about it right now? Well, he got rousted because Brian Sutter... Oh, actually, I bet you got rousted for the cash. Look at this. Brian Sutter joined the Capitol Hill Consulting Group in 2015 as Senior Vice President. Okay. There you go. Hey, thanks. That was good work. Why don't you join the company? Yeah, here's a pile of money. Your office is ready. That's why they probably went after him after the fact, after he quit.

52:14 But probably everyone's afraid because they don't want anyone messing around in their little muddy waters there. No. So since we're just touching on healthcare, there was... So after our conversation about the ICD-10 codes, which is not really relevant at this point, but it's such a huge industry, pharmaceutical and the medical, you know, the keep people sick industry. And there's one conversation, one topic that we've been wanting to talk about for a bit, but I caught this other news report, and I believe it relates directly back to some of the information we've been receiving via email a lot from doctors, surgeons, dudes named Ben, everyone involved in how the new medical system works. Apparently, with Medicaid, certainly, there's a move towards the bundle payment. Have you heard about this?

53:16 So, the idea is that the insurer, whether that is Medicaid or a private insurer, would...and I think it's already happening, actually. Instead of going through every single, you know, code all the time and looking if they're going to reimburse, etc., for... John Maass Now, this is Medicaid, not Medicare or Obamacare? I don't have that answer. I think it's Medicaid. I think it's Medicaid. See, Medicaid is like for people who are broke. Yes, for people who are broke, correct. Poor people. And then they try to get whatever... There's also a scam aspect to where the government... If you have property, like say you're a woman living in a house and you have to use Medicaid because you've got no insurance and you've got no money and you've got a broken hip. They try to take your house from you.

54:07 at the end of the day. Sure, of course. Yeah. At the end of your life. At the end of your life, they try to take your house away. Take what we can. So the concept here is the bundled payment instead of, you know, okay, we'll approve 50,000 for the cat, you know, for this or 12,000 for the CAT scan, et cetera. They say here is per patient, here's an X amount of money over the lifetime of that patient or over for a year, I think it's probably a lifetime. And you over here, you determine how you're going to dole that out to somebody. Well, who's the you in this story? The recipient of the money. So it's the hospital or the doctor or if you're insured. If you're insured, you don't get medicated. No. But the insurance, the insurance companies are going to do the same. But to the facility that, okay, a bundle payment example would be someone is going in and they have this particular thing. You need new hips. Here is

55:08 $150,000 for the person's new hips, no matter how you do it. If you have them stay for a week, if they're, you know, if you kick them out after two days, if you screw it up, it doesn't matter. Everything is all included. And then you figure out how you're going to do that procedure. Yes, it is actually per these big, I'm sorry, it is per the big procedures, but it's part of the bundled payment system. And, of course, if you look at the cost of a hip, in some states, in some hospitals, it could be $50,000, whereas in others it could be $150,000. So you're going to see a lot of movement, a lot of things, people having to go to different places, I guess, different states to get the same procedure.

55:48 But as a part of this, I think we're seeing price changes and new price fixing going on in the market. And there was a report on Bloomberg about the prices of diabetes drugs, which by the way is outrageous just if you hear what it costs on an annual basis anyway. But how and they're not even saying it, I'll just say price fixing, but how the prices within a penny, within a few seconds will change and adjust so that they're all on parity. So there's really, in the United States that is, there's only one price for, and a very exorbitant price for these types of drugs. So pretty much now you can do anything you want, is I guess my point.

56:26 You can do anything you want in the pharmaceutical industry. There's no one looking over your shoulder. No one understands how it works. And this has changed how? Well, I think since the Affordable Care Act, I think the way insurance companies are now allowed to operate and doing these types of bundle payments and there's seemingly no oversight, you get stuff like this. It's very interesting, it's very curious, but we surveyed literally hundreds of big selling drugs to determine what was going on in the prices in the last five years and we found dozens of them whose prices have doubled in just five years at a time when inflation was very low and one of the most intriguing things we found with some of these competing drug categories, competition, seemed to drive the prices up.

57:09 And in fact, as you said, in diabetes and insulin market, we saw exact price matches for some of these competing drugs, literally sometimes down to the decimal points. The next day, the prices rise in tandem over a period of time. All the price increases are matched. So is this an antitrust violation? are

57:50 competitive violation. They're not colluding together, right? Yes, and the interesting thing about the insulin market is there's really only three companies in the insulin market. So it's a very small number of companies. I think the point's been made. This is nothing new. Well, the only thing that was on there later, well, yes, it is new. It's increased incredible amount in the past few years. Two years ago, a year ago, we've been talking about this. It's not new. This is not new. They've been gouging and they've been jacking up the prices. And when Obamacare came in, it went up higher. And it's just because they can get away with it because nobody cares. There's no oversight. I don't see what's new. I'm sorry, is this show only about new?

58:30 Well, no, you're beating a dead horse with this. It's not interesting. No offense. No offense taken. But it's not interesting. It's just like, okay, we got a new scam, kind of, but I don't even see that it is. It's just, you know, somebody's doling out money. This hasn't really shaken itself out. We don't know that this is a bad thing or good thing. It's just another thing. and there's an end to drugs are about a ripoff because they're fixed prices are fixing the government's doing nothing about it and and and this may be a huge if you'd look this into to war in elizabeth warren coming in to fix this you know she would probably complain about it to get votes uh... i would be more interested in the story but i i don't find this even remotely interesting i'm sorry to have bored you

59:16 At least I didn't say, oh, there's another five minutes of my life I'll never get back because it was 10 minutes. But no, that was not your best effort. Okay. I don't know. Maybe people would disagree. I'm waiting to see what you got, big boy. Well, you can threaten me all you want, but I do have this. I have to push these off now. I have a question. How come everybody in the world is celebrating VE Day but the United States? I don't know if you noticed this. We had a proclamation. What was it? That today is VE Day, but it's not really our celebration. Why? No. We were the ones that according to our own litany. You don't want to go spike the football. But it's not a celebration of spiking the football. Play this clip, WW2 versus our VE Day.

1:00:17 International commemorations to mark the anniversary were held in Poland where the Second World War started. UN Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon joined European leaders at a ceremony in Gdansk. Remembrance services have also been held in other countries to mark the end of the Second World War. A moment of reflection in Paris. French President François Hollande lays a wreath at the tomb of the unknown soldier. And veterans honor their fallen comrades. In the rest of the city, the mood is more upbeat. Military parades and music commemorate the French resistance against German occupation. May 8th is a day of celebration here.

1:01:12 The tone is very different in Poland, Germany's eastern neighbor. In Gdansk, a ceremony took place at the site where the first shots were fired on... Oh, John, it's just so fucking riveting. How can you make me stop? Here's the point. Why do... The Germans, I got this off a Deutsche Welle, the Germans call it the Germany Capitulation Day. And they celebrate... Well, when you're a loser, lose good. But why do we not even...we have a proclamation of presence, say, by the way, what is...why is this? Why is everybody all jacked up about the end of the war, the Russians in particular, and the Russians who claim that they won the war for everybody? And we're just like on the sidelines. It's just... Well, isn't...well, so you have two things going on, Victory Day, Victory of Europe Day, Victory in Europe Day, I should say, and then you have Soviet Victory Day.

1:02:05 So the so and maybe that's why we didn't participate. A lot of our Russian handlers emailed all kinds of things about that. Now the Soviets, they signed the German surrender documents on in Berlin. And the way I understand it, because of the time difference, it was already May 9th in Moscow. That's why they celebrate their victory day on the 9th of May as well. But, you know, and by definition, taking credit for the surrender of the Germans. Right. They do that.

1:02:46 And they have a kind of an argument because they lost so many people that they, you know, and they stopped the Germans from going into Russia. And we were just on the sidelines, at least on that front. But it just seems to me to be screwy when you start...when you read the Manchester book or any of these things about World War II and the outrageous productivity that we exhibited to get into the war, and then after the war becoming because of the...you know, we're the unscathed victors, even though we lost a lot of people. the world's policemen. We don't even acknowledge this, it seems to me, except from some presidential proclamation, I guess somebody showed up to throw a wreath somewhere. Well, here's one for you. Let me just dig into my bag of conspiracy tricks. As you know, World War II never officially ended, John.

1:03:37 Yes, we had never, it never, go ahead. I've read the documents. It's real. World War II never really ended. So for us to go and celebrate victory in Europe day and give the Russians, but there is something to be said for what's going on right now in Ukraine with US troops and Russian troops. and also the states, the NATO states that are Russia facing as witnessed by, and this was over time, see if I can get, see if I can scratch my way back into your favor. This is Kasparov, of course, big Putin hater, and I think he plays chess.

1:04:18 and he's on overtime with Bill Maher with a bunch of douchebags with Jane Harman and DGE squiggly, whatever his name is. It was a horrible show to watch. But then this little thing happened where Kasparov just ripped everybody. I think he ripped out a good one. We wind up vaporizing them. We vaporize them and their entire community. So you would agree with what I was just saying. It's because we're there. If we weren't there, No, should we be there? It depends how we're there. What's he what is Mar referring to? He's saying I'm sorry, I should have set that up better. They have a quick conversation about the US being an empire. He's saying we are an empire. We have troops all over the world bases all over the world and harm and of course, accepted fact, totally accepted.

1:05:07 one little difference though about Germany in particular. We don't have an empire. We don't have an empire? We're America before it's done. We have troops in like 150 different countries in the world. Are you crazy? We have like 760 bases around the world. I love how everyone's clapping in the ObamaBot audience. Yes, bases! Or they're saying that's yes, you recognize where shit heels what it was I think for I think they're clapping that's I Think they're clapping because the producer held up a clap sign. Oh well 50,000 troops in Germany, I think we got hit by you

1:05:53 By 2013, there was no single American tank. This is Kasparov now saying that, OK, you got all the troops, but no tanks in Europe. And by the way, if you were praising Obama's, you know, peace record because of this weak policy now, he had no choice but to bring American soldiers, a small detachment, 100 soldiers, 10 tanks at the Russian border. First time in my living memory, American troops are facing Russian troops in Estonia and Latvia because those small countries are NATO members. And by 2013 there were no American tanks in Europe at all. Wake me when he takes Poland. Anyway, um... I like that. That's pretty funny. Kasparov, he just, his head whipped around to look at Bill Maher. I mean, yes, we... Wait, listen to those a-holes in the audience. Ha ha ha ha, fuck the Poles. Ha ha ha ha ha. That was great.

1:06:45 I mean, yes, we moved a hundred... Are you making jokes about it? Yes, obviously that was a joke. Both suffered from... I hope not... It's a comedy show, Gary. We make jokes about everything. If I have to watch out... It's not about the Holocaust! You made it about the Holocaust. But for Poles it's tough. For Poles it's tough. Millions of Poles have been killed by Russians and Germans. Gary, shut up. This is a stupid thing to say. I'm sorry, I'm a big fan of yours. But to say that I was making a Holocaust joke when I said, wake me when Putin takes... You said you make jokes about everything. I thought it was a Holocaust joke. Kind of. Ha. Kind of.

1:07:26 Well, I didn't think it was when I heard it the first time, but in hindsight, I can see where that could be a yeah, yeah, Holocaust joke. But what Kasparov is saying, which is really not discussed here at all, is we indeed have troops now. I was looking for the, there's a name for that. I think it's, is it Operation Atlantic Resolve? I think maybe that's what it's called. Maybe. And this is the, what is casually known as the train and supply mission. But the, we, there's US troops, several hundred on the Ukrainian-Russian border. What about all the troops they sent into Ukraine to do training? Well, apparently they're all at the border now. I don't know what's going on. I think they're still, I think they're in.

1:08:15 I think they just went in. There's like a hundred or two hundred, three hundred maybe. Three or four hundred. Yeah. Right. But new training and they're in Ukraine. Yeah, but it's training means you're fighting alongside of them and saying, hey, watch me. No, no, no, no. Oh please, oh please. Don't say such things. Hey, I'll show you how to do it. Follow me. This is how you, this is how we roll here in America. That's right. Okay, here it is. This is Defense.gov's website. It says Operation Atlantic Resolve. It's demonstrating a continued... It says under the subhead is America's continued commitment to European security. Isn't this NATO's job? Yeah. Hello? Who's NATO? Isn't NATO a cooperative of a bunch of these countries? Oh, John. Yes. But of course, it's all our money.

1:09:05 And everybody had to pony up all these states. You remember President Obama went last year, he said, hey, you're not putting in your 2 or 3% of your GDP into military. Hello? Remember head of sales Barry calling? Hello, hello, hello. Time to pony up. Yeah, this is now we're putting it to good use. John McCain is loving it. You got to see this. You got to go to this site. It's got these recent US military events in Europe with a click Pins what oh I have it now. I have right here. This is the the defense.gov website Yeah, yeah, and there's a click pins like if you click if you put your little cursor on it kind of cool Doesn't let me give us a chat room air to air refueling missions in support of NATO That's in the great s in Great Britain and you go into looks like Poland. Mm-hmm

1:09:50 One of the clicks is request for military assistance. Don't click it. Oh, this is actually, uh, no, I'm not clicking. Oh, that's Ukraine. I see it here. Yeah, it's Ukraine. And it's also got, so they got a request. They got us Ukraine bilateral defense consultations. That's what's going on. 300,000 meals ready to eat, train and equip Ukraine's national guard. Yeah, nice. Yeah, this is we're all over the place, but this is real. Here's one exercise platinum eagle 14. Oh that doesn't beat Jade Helm 15 though, but what is it? I don't see it. I don't see it on this page in Bulgaria. I believe this area hmm, and there's a bunch of stuff in the ocean. Oh, yeah, the boats are here Wow yeah, they are the Taylor says Taylor the US cook

1:10:43 Yeah, the truck. I don't even know what that is. The truckston? The trucks in the Velik Gulf. They're all in the Black Sea. Yes, sitting there. This is terrible. They're surrounded. Hello Crimea. How you doing over there? Yeah. I think that's what Kasparov is trying to say. He's trying to say, you know, it's been a while in my lifetime, there's not even been tanks, but now you have the Operation Atlantic Resolve. Which by itself sounds pretty damn scary. I watched Susan Power for an hour on Charlie Rose trying to get a clip. It's impossible. You got my respect back. What with Atlantic Resolve that you know that you would put yourself through. I really tried an hour an hour. Charlie Rose and Susan Power. And the worst part is Charlie has his his you know his trademark white button down shirt on with the cuffs open and he is sporting a white banded Apple Watch.

1:11:46 No, yeah, it's a not a no Charlie. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah a white band And what does that's got to be product placement if anything, but I doubt it and white band I'm watching the twitch show and I don't want to plug them because it's not our show but They were talking about this watch and all of them, they said, does everyone have one of these watches? And everybody took their right arm or their left arm I guess and held it up with a fist and it was like a straight up, it looked like a salute. Heil watch! Did you see this? They're all holding a fist up. Oh yes, we got the watch. Heil Apple. Heil Apple. Heil Apple.

1:12:29 Thought it was disturbing No, I didn't watch and you say about me. I'll Apple. I'll Apple. Yeah, you know looks like and he's got one too and in I believe in Didn't we just have me? I don't have a clip of that I believe in There were two journalists, no not journalists, two people who were working for an NGO in Ukraine were arrested on suspicion of being spies. Yes, here we go, here we go. Ukraine rebels released two US aid workers and this gets really good. The two men are believed to have been working for the International Rescue Committee NGO in East Ukraine.

1:13:17 Now, do you think you can look at one more with me? Just go to rescue.org? I don't know. Did we ever talk about these guys? Or did I completely miss it? Oh, screw me. I pulled the Form 990 on these guys? Oh man. $450 million they've got in income for 2013 alone. Rescue.org. Mother's Day rescue gifts, but if you look at now look at the board and overseers tell me that's not the kind of company you want you want to be looking at Tim Geithner oh Yeah is in there. Who else do we have? Gordon Smith David Miliband yeah, David Miliband this is his operation you're right and then I said Miliband's brother so I pulled the form 9990 and

1:14:04 Okay, so these guys have two people who were accused of being spies in eastern Ukraine and they were working for this organization, which is a cash only organization. They just do cash in, cash out. $456 million in revenue in 2013. Sounds like a spy operation to me. I marked up this document so I'll tell you a little bit about what's going on. A lot of money, of course, going to the advertising, the higher Furman Roth advertising. They got half a million Accenture, got 600, they got a couple of, you know, everyone's like five, $600,000 here or there. Government grants, this is the bulk of their income, is $305 million.

1:14:53 So, what's nice about the Form 990 is you, if someone donates above $5,000 as a single entity, you have to report it. But first let's look- Can I stop you for a second? Yeah, sure. Is this the same Liv Ullman that's the actress? She's the vice chair international? It was just a coincidence. I don't know who Liv Ullman is. Liv Ullman, the actress? I don't know. Oh. Oh, no, Liv Tyler. She's a Norwegian actress and film director. She's one of the muses of England. Oh, maybe you're thinking Tracy Ullman? Well, that's probably what I'm thinking, but Liv Ullman is the name and she is an actress. Well, by coincidence then. And a famous one. You gotta... Okay, go on, I'm sorry. You're looking at the board of directors also. So you look at Goldman Sachs Healthcare Group, Evercore Partners, Internet Odyssey, there's Miliband, Morgan Stanley. So it's all banks and advertising BBDO worldwide.

1:15:52 Who else is on here? Anyway, for this non-governmental organization, quite a lineup. Even, let's see, well David Miliband takes no money. I guess he can't, but George Rupp, the CEO and president, 400... Why? Is he still in public office? And maybe he is. Well, this was 2013, so maybe he couldn't do it then. But the CEO gets 430 million, the CFO 300, a million, a thousand, the CFO 300,000. You know, everyone's making out like bandits. And of course I'm expecting to see the USAID at the top of the list of donors. No, no, no, no. They are, they are number four. $36 million went to this outfit in 2013 from USAID.

1:16:47 But the Office of Foreign Disaster Assistance, which I'd never heard of, 39 million. The Bureau of Population, Refugees and Migration, 59 million. And then the number one donor was the Department for International Development. This is the British version of the USAID, DFID, and they came in with 62 million dollars. Yeah. Yeah, I'm sure those guys were... and they just... They were spot... They were obviously... It's funny because there's, there must be 50 pages of payments and it just says cash assistance and it says who... And of course where most of the money is going to, only 18 million really went into Europe and then they have a couple errant millions for Russia and the newly independent states. Nothing for Russia actually. 252,000. Eat that Putin. But then the real money, 170 million, Sub-Sahara Africa, South Asia,

1:17:48 75 million. Surprise, Clooney's not on the list. This is some of these people on here. See, this is more like it. That other organization you mentioned earlier. Yeah, Mike's organization. Didn't have any heavy hitters. No, no, no. It's nothing like this. This is like ridiculous. We have We have the guy, the chairman of Penguin Group and executive director of Pearson, the Common Core company are on here. Kofi Annan is on here. Our friend. Madeline Albright is on this list. Eat bugs people, eat bugs. William Bennett, and you got Madeline, this is always the thing that bothers them. You got William Bennett, the big Republican who is also a gambling addict, I guess, phony, and then Madeline Albright in the same group with Kofi Annan in the drinking club called the Overseers. It's just like unbelievable. I wonder how much money they get. Those guys for being on the board?

1:18:45 Well, this is not the board, this is the overseers. They may not get anything, it's not reported. Let's put it that way. They've got to get something. Michael Blumenthal? He's not gonna... and his wife, Betsy? If this is the big club, man, then you know... Tom Brokaw? I could go on. It's a good list, isn't it? It's a great list. None of them have... I'm looking at the directors, trustees, none of them, let me see, I don't know if it's the same list. None. None, none, none. Unless it's going, you know, unless someone's billing some other way. I don't know about that, but... I think the Liv Ullman connection, I think it is the actress because she does a lot of work for the UN. Oh yeah. This is some scamp going on here. So anyway, yes. Andy Grove, the... Intel? Intel? Yeah.

1:19:35 So I'm thinking, I'm thinking these guys probably were spies. And as mentioned earlier, Henry Kissinger. There you go. Once you have Henry on board, this is a very good organization. It's very good. Ukrainian, very important. Yeah. Well, yeah, spies. And with that, I'd like to thank you for your courage and say in the morning to you, John C, where the C stands for continuity, Dvorak. Well, in the morning to you Adam Curry, in the morning all ships and sea boots on the ground, feet in the air, subs in the water, and all the dames and knights out there. In the morning everybody in the chat room, noagendastream.com, good to see you all participating. Yes, blitzed spies like us. In the morning to 20 Watt Bulb, brought us the artwork for episode 719, loved the state of Texas with the hidden guns in the artwork.

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1:29:47 Hmm, I'm worried to do anything now. I'm so bored. I'm gonna bore you. I don't know what I'll get off it A day where I don't make you laugh is just not a good show. Here's State Department and Clinton. Did you see this? Yeah, I did. About the, about them not doing something or anything? Yeah, this, that is boring. But you get a little idea of what's going on. It's no good without the women. They got this douchebag character. Yeah, and Matt does not have any kind of rapport with him. No, none at all. In fact, he seems a little cowed by the guy. Why not? I mean, why do you not? Again, we aren't aware of any actions. Well, I know you're not aware because you haven't looked into them, right? Well, but again, let's go back to what we did do during her tenure. Over the course of her tenure, we reviewed dozens of entities each year. The Clinton Foundation also is a charitable organization, so we would not have had the obligation to review their donation beyond what was committed to in the MOU.

1:31:10 But what they committed to in the MOU in terms of the listing the private donors, whether or not the State Department had to review them or was supposed to review them beforehand to see if they were okay or not, it would seem to me to make sense that if they didn't live up to their end of the MOU, you would at least go back and take a look at the private donations and see whether that might raise any questions. It goes on back and forth. It's almost like a circle. He'd say, oh, we didn't do that. And well, you didn't do that because you didn't want to do that. And it went back...this went on for about 10, 15 minutes, these two guys. And it got nowhere, of course. And Matt couldn't...he couldn't keep asking the same questions over again. No. And the only real takeaway I got from...and this whole exchange was maybe 10 minutes. He just kept on going and going.

1:32:03 There is another... And by the way, also, the guy pulled it from Matt at some point and went to another guy who continued asking the same questions and Matt came back into it. That's how it went on for, you're right, at least 10 minutes, maybe more. Right. They're protecting Hillary. Well, the new entity that we're not or does not being discussed is the Clinton Health Alliance initiative, this CHAI, C-H-A-I. And this is a black box. It's a sister or daughter organization.

1:32:39 But there's no filings on it. It's all neatly wrapped up in this little ball. They got the Canadian thing, they got the Clinton Health Alliance initiative. You can only imagine what kind of money is flowing into that, but there's no record of it. But at this point, really... What difference does it make? Nothing. No one hears this. No one gives a shit. We've been saying this is the problem for years. In 2008, the first time she ran, we said this is the real problem. No one cares. Yeah, it's a conduit for bribes. Yeah. And it's a beauty. Yeah, it really is quite good. Oh no, no, so it's a charitable organization. This reminds me of the way the Yakuza work in Japan. Now the Yakuza, the Japanese mob, they have a little gambit that they play. They were trying to do in the United States.

1:33:31 They tried to buy the Pebble Beach golf course, but the locals got irked about this. And the first thing they were gonna do is what they do, is they change the course fees to something outrageous, and you have to be a member, it costs $10,000. So the idea is you buy a golf course, they do this in Japan, you buy a golf course, you have outrageous, like, you know, 10,000 a year is minimum, sometimes it's 100,000, could be anything. It's ridiculous. And the idea is, if you're being extorted by the Yakuza, the way you pay your bill to them is not by giving them money. You have to take a membership out in one of these golf places that they own.

1:34:15 And they were trying to pull that...they're trying to bring that idea here to the United States by buying Pebble Beach, and they already talk about raising the fees. It was only just to, you know, to extort money. And there's no reason to believe that the Clintons haven't stumbled onto something very similar with this screwball operation they have. It seems like a good way to extort. Oh, you know, if you give some money to our charity, there's no reason for the Saudis. They get their own charities. Why are they giving him money? But the whole at the end of the year, John, at the end of my life, this is no one cares. I don't just absolutely nobody cares. Everybody's already all fine, all in, all OK with it being Hillary. Well, she's not the best, you know, but she's the one we need. She deserves it. She deserves it. That's right. She deserves it. Well, I still I pray still every single night. Yes. Let's do let's take a look at. Oh, I got the breaking news.

1:35:15 What kind of news real news no no breaking news Play the clip threat levels up Yeah. The threat level has been raised at U.S. military bases nationwide. That puts security at its highest level in nearly four years. Pentagon officials say there's been no specific threat. Instead, they cite general concerns since last weekend's attack on an exhibit and contest of Mohammed cartoons in Texas. Okay. All right. All right. Caused the threat levels to go up.

1:35:51 I thought we didn't do those anymore, the threat levels. I thought that was done. Well, let's talk about this for a moment. I caught another fine piece on MSNBC. And by the way, I'm the only person catching it because no one else really watches it. But still it's important because this is how memes get started, which we'll get to in a moment. This is, they have a terrorism expert. And remember now we're, we're looking and I have some more information on this. We're looking at how, Freedom of speech possibly or probably will be curtailed in these United States of Gitmo Nation, where we still have some of it. Forget you guys in EU, if you're interested, I'll tell you. By saying, holding a cartoon contest is provocation and therefore is not protected free speech. And I have, I think somewhere I have a, you know, the example of yelling fire in a crowded theater.

1:36:47 That actually, that never happened. No one was, there's no example of that happening. It was only used as an example in... I'll play this clip and then I'll look for this, look for the fire in a crowded theater thing. But this is the defense that it's going towards and you'll hear this terrorism expert I don't know what his name is, comparing these people to some very evil beings. This is not the first time that someone, a homegrown extremist, has looked to target someone like Geller for exactly this reason. And I would say to Geller, look, you have the right to do this, but you also have a responsibility. Freedom of speech is a very serious right and it comes with a responsibility. You have a responsibility to act in a way that is restrained according to fact.

1:37:29 and simply yelling at someone and saying terribly nasty things at someone. Look, and then to complain about the fact that someone reacts violently to that. To me, that's like lighting the Reichstag on fire and then complaining that your fingers got singed. You cannot infringe upon someone else. I'm sorry? No, it's not. There's no comp... That analogy he did is bullcrap. Yeah. Yes, yes gets worse upon someone else's freedom of expression You cannot infringe upon someone else's freedom of speech and then claim that is you who is the victim it does not work that way Wait a minute. He's he's very interesting. Yeah. Yeah, he's Coleman ko HLM a nn he's saying that that drawing a cartoon is infringing on someone else's

1:38:21 Free speech. I don't see how that works I don't see how that works and and and turning into Kristallnacht for the Reichstag is very interesting You cannot infringe upon someone else's freedom of speech and then claim that is you who is the victim It does not work that way. No one has the right to commit acts of violence in the name of faith no one has the right to commit acts of violence because someone says something offensive but And people that exercise the freedom of speech also have a responsibility to understand that words have meaning and that they can cause harm. And that's why we have... Hold on. No. Sticks and stones may break my bones, but words can cause harm.

1:39:04 This is, I find this very interesting that, and whoever the host is just agreeing, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, that's right. I hate these hosts. And that's why we have libel laws, that's why we have defamation laws, and that's why we have hate crime laws. Oh! And I would suggest that what Pamela Geller is doing comes in some cases quite close to what is normally defined as a hate crime. Wow. Hold on a second. How does he make this leap of faith? You got liable laws and you have hate crime laws. Let's assume that these are fine, even though we have our doubts. What's that got to do with having an exhibition of cartoons? It's a hate crime. That's what he's saying. He says it comes very near to a hate crime. How is that? I don't know. He's the expert. I don't know. But it's getting closer to, you know, the last time we looked at,

1:40:04 something from 1942, the shouting fire in a crowded theater. This is where they're driving towards. They're trying to position the First Amendment, which I would like to remind everybody, the First Amendment does not give anybody any rights. You already have the right to free speech. The First Amendment forbids the federal government, the US government, from infringing upon that right. That's pretty much what the Bill of Rights is. So don't get trapped into this, well you have this right because of the First Amendment. No, no, no. But if you go back even earlier... For some reason we have to continually remind everybody of this. Because the media won't do it.

1:40:45 So this, and there was a court decision, and I believe this was 1919. This is Wendell Jones versus, or the, was it 1919? Schenck versus United States. Here we go. This was a Supreme Court case. And out of this, out of this case came the phrase shouting fire in a crowded theater. So that never actually happened. This is one of the examples where free speech...

1:41:22 apparently according to the Supreme Court was not protected. He oversaw, printed and mailed more than 15,000 leaflets to men slated for conscription during World War I. The leaflets urged men not to submit to the draft saying, do not submit to intimidation, assert your rights. If you do not assert and support your rights, you are helping to deny or disparage rights, which is the solemn duty of all citizens and the residents of the United States to retain. And he urged them not to comply with the draft. Now, he was convicted Based on I think was a part of the espionage act and they fought this on First Amendment right, but he lost it was apparently If the if you create a clear and present danger, which is another one of those terms

1:42:06 Like, okay, now that has something to do with it. Then indeed, the most stringent protection of free speech would not protect, this is the Supreme Court, would not protect a man in falsely shouting fire in a theater and causing a panic. The question in every case is whether the words used are used in such circumstances and are of such a nature as to create a clear and present danger that they will bring about the substantive evils that Congress has a right to prevent. So you got this reference from something you read? What reference? The one you just gave us. The one that's... No, no, that is the opinion of the court. This is a... No, I know, but you didn't dig it up by digging through old documents. You... Yes, I... What do you think I do on Saturday nights? First I go to the ballet, then I get my parchments. I'll ask you if you want me to.

1:42:56 Because it sounds to me as though this is something somebody's trying to promote or you or is this? Did this just come out of your base? I want to know because I want to know whether this is something we have to be on the lookout. Yes. Yes. This is something you dug up. Well, this is something that goes back to the previous episode where they're saying that this type of free speech is not permitted under the First Amendment and they're moving it towards... Is anybody citing this particular case besides you? Not this particular one, no. Oh, okay. Well, that's interesting. Well, they will now. Well, if he says, listen to what he's talking about, how this is not protected. The guy's obviously not a lawyer, but it borders on hate speech, hate crimes, all things which are really very, very fuzzy. A crime is a crime, whether it's done out of hatred or not. But okay, I think what we'll see happen is if you

1:43:50 If you commit a hate crime, which an hate crime probably would then result in a clear and present danger to the citizens of the United States, then it is not protected under the First Amendment. I think that's where this is going. He doesn't even give any basis for his claim, but I got to presume this guy is just some shill dickhead who's saying whatever he's meant to say. Well, I'm still trying to get my head around the idea that having an art exhibition is any sort of hate crime. Well, as much as little as it's... And if a guy comes and starts gunning down people, I mean, it seems that the hate crime is committed by the offender, the guy with the gun, not the person with the gun. Sure, sure, sure. Passive. Congratulations. That's what everyone's doing. But they're using... And again, can they make... I think we're trying to get to here. Can they make the... The crime of... They're showing the art of provocation. Can they make...

1:44:50 Can they make anything that results in violence by some maniac, can they make that, the actual, that act provocation? And if that's the case, then it's that person's fault. And so the other person acted out of, because they were provoked and that lessened the crime that they committed if they tried to, you know, I mean, it's a good thing they shot these guys. They'd probably be making a federal case out of the whole thing. But this is not good any of it. No, no. But you remember this, CNN douchebags in the morning with Michaela, he was tweeting out saying, you know, it's not protected by the First Amendment. You should read the Constitution, understand what it says.

1:45:34 And so these are the only two cases that pop up whenever you try to look into when can some form of action, and this is why the shouting fire in a crowded theater comes up, which did not actually happen but was mentioned in the court's opinion about this guy who, and I think it's even, it's innocuous. Innocuous? No. What's the word? Innocuous. I don't know. Innocuous. Sounds good. Innocuous. It's innocuous. Innocuous, I believe, is something you put over your eyes when you see virtual reality. Innocuous Rift. They're trying to turn this type of act into a hate crime, and I guess this guy's spreading 15,000 leaflets because men wouldn't sign up, then it would be dangerous to the country, therefore it's a clear and present danger. It comes down to clear and present danger. How does the art exhibit, and I would be asking this question to this douchebag that was on MSNBC that you played earlier, how does this art exhibit as provocation

1:46:32 any different than the recently protected flag burning. That seems like more of a provocation than anything. You're burning the flag, which is going to annoy somebody, and they're going to come after you. How is that free speech? For the same reason that Life of Brian was okay, for the same reason that Book of Mormon is okay, because these religions don't jump up and down and start shooting people, and of course you know that these other people do. So you should know better, I guess is what it is. It's completely backwards. By the way, Norway has ended their blasphemy laws. They had blasphemy laws. They had them? They had them, yeah. Yeah. And now they've scrapped that. Said, no, you can do whatever you want. There should be no blasphemy laws in a modern society. A lot of Europe has a lot of these things on the books. I think that's, you know, you can't, you probably couldn't do any of this now in many European states. Oh, yeah.

1:47:35 So all I'm saying is let's keep our eye on it and remember, I have a feeling about this whole event being set up to prove a point. Now you can say it proves a point that crazy has come out of the woodworks or you can say here you go, this is what we're now going to prove. You cannot do this. It is not protected under free speech. Just like douchebag O'Donnell, Lawrence O'Donnell, He had a great segment on... listen to this... all right, no, no... You know, I'm gonna tell you something. I think you're spending way too much time, because you scolded me for this some time back.

1:48:12 You get addicted to watching MSNBC because your jaw drops constantly. That's true. You gotta get it like Sharpton, who's one of their top guys. I wasn't gonna play Sharpton. No, but I'm saying just to show you the kind of audience that MSNBC has, Sharpton is like the second most watched guy on there. Yeah, and the first most watched guy is Rachel Maddow. Right. She's the first most watched guy. Here's Lawrence O'Donnell explaining why the word thug is a racist word. Oh God. Yeah, this is fun. What would be the first word of choice for a virulent racist to use on your show about those people and know for certain that he or she- About those people? Yeah, I know, isn't that great? About those people? Yeah, I know. What a racist pig he is. Uh-huh. To use on your show about those people and know for certain that he or she could get away with using that word.

1:49:14 It would be thug. You know, it would be thug. What kind of mind control is this guy trying to pull? This is why I had to clip this, John. I'm just sitting there. He's going, you know, that word would be thug. You know, going to, listening to MSNBC is like shooting fish in a barrel. Yes. That's right, you know it would be the word thug. I just can't watch these guys that much. Even Rachel, I can't stand that smug up talk that she does. And African Americans know it would be thug. So now you have to ask yourself before you make your comments on national television, how many millions of African Americans, how many millions of African American kids are you willing to allow to suspect

1:50:01 that you might be racist. See, this is a reverse psychology. Now my head's spinning. So if I want to make sure African-American kids, better known as the kids of those people, Lawrence, but I don't want them to think I'm racist, which is, phew, if you are afraid of people thinking you're racist, you're racist right there. Okay, that may be too deep for Larry. So you don't want to use any word that could make people think you're a racist. How many? And here's what's so very nutty about this whole thing. You don't need to use that word that creates that suspicion. The word that so many people on television seem so eager to use. You want to hear him say the- You know, this is of sickness. I'm going to give a story. PC World used to have a bunch of these types of people. Very politically correct.

1:51:00 liberals, I think mostly lesbians. And so the guy ran into an engineer at Boeing who used to do some writing for him, and we were talking about some of the screwiness that's going on in the publishing business with some of these A-holes. And he told me this story about how he had submitted some copy, talking about some company, this and that, and he said, and then the company representative did this and that. And the copy came back because they were checking with people and they changed the word representative to spokesperson. And he said, why did you change the word representative to spokesperson? And the woman said, we don't use sexist language at PC World. And he said, and then he like logically said,

1:52:02 What's wrong with the word representative? It's gender neutral. She says the word spokesperson makes it clear to the reader that we don't use sexist language. Representative does not do that. That's the kind of screwiness. Yeah, that is permeating and that's what you just listened to that is this stupid kind of addled thinking that goes on in Everywhere no all throughout the media. Yes. I think it's more than that I think there's many people who think there's also insanity involved or something and pretty I would be shocked but yes, I Know of course there's insanity involved. It's crazy. I

1:52:46 And is this only...is this one of those depends on the context things where you can say thug in different variations or can you just not use the word at all? The way it's going, I see that no possible use of the word thug without being called out. And I would suspect that if you wrote it in today's one of these newspapers today and you just casually use it as the word thug, I would almost guarantee as of today that the editor would kick it back. Yeah, that's pretty sad. But in that context, if it was in the context of Baltimore and you used the word thug. But if you just use the word thug in general for some other group of people who are beating somebody... For any purpose whatsoever. Really? Let's listen to a little compilation of Mr. O'Donnell's work, considering the usage of the word thug. And no one was more shocked at being a loser than poor Scott Brown, who ran a Senate campaign that was worthy of the thugs in my Boston neighborhood a generation ago.

1:53:45 In Christie world in January that got him fired, but this thug email from Samson saying he's playing in traffic made a big mistake. I don't think O'Reilly wants to stop and frisk them. How many times does O'Reilly have to see Mark Zuckerberg in a hoodie to realize that the hoodie has become a completely culturally, economically neutral article of clothing that tells you virtually nothing about the wearer? Except possibly where the wearer went to school. But any thug can get his hands on a hoodie with any school name on it. I guess he didn't get the memo. Okay, where'd you get that?

1:54:32 We have producers. Yeah, well you did you add the little... I added the little sting to it. Yeah, you put a little, you produce it. I'll give you a clip of the day. I won't take it. No, it has to balance out with my huge... Okay, well then you're back to neutral. My huge canard. Another one like that, you'll get it. Okay, wait, wait, wait, wait. You challenged me? All right, you ready? You've challenged me now. Yeah. This is Senator now, Cory Booker. Cory Booker is now Senator and man, you know, Cory is a big tweeter. He's a real big tweeter. He's tweeting all day and some say he became a senator partially because of his tweeter-ness and his social media expertise.

1:55:12 So they're up there on the hill talking about stuff, and what do you think? He's like, hold on a second, we suck at social media. On this, there are easy tactics. I know them, as you said, from politics, how to get more voice and virality to messaging that we're not using as a government to get counter messages out there. You have, you know, I know something about memes, the data that you're presenting about Muslims killing Muslims, and this is a group that's killing more Muslims to get memes to go more viral. Just to review We're sucking, but we need to fight Isis. We need more memes to go viral that way will Stop Isis their fancy means compared to what we're not doing there's an obvious piece of legislation We need to start working out of our directed staff, but let's face it we invent the internet We invented these social network sites. We've got Hollywood. We've got the capabilities as mr. Shake was saying to blow a

1:56:06 These guys out of the water from standpoint of communication, so we need to work on that we need to work on that quickly Cory Booker Wow This is like the assholes are going to a company and say then you hire your door you're hiring somebody's okay? I wait. Here's what I want you to do. I want you to make some viral videos for us Do you have any idea if I had a company that could screw it we should just register an LLC and go for it Yeah, we know how to make viral viral videos for you. We'll get right on that and of course the

1:56:56 The sad part about it is all this ISIS and we're already doing it. That's the Hillary Clinton State Department experts. They're so good at it already. Every couple weeks I do a clip from NCIS which is about this. Those guys know how to do it. We got Hollywood, how come we're not doing this? Cory Booker. We are doing it. Mostly to propagandize the public, the United States public, we're doing it. And we're probably doing it over there too, or we got these little flyers which I've never scanned in, which I still have sitting here that, you know, they were thrown out the back of an airplane that say something, I don't know what, because I'm lax. We need... Yeah, we're doing it. That's all we do. We need more memes, better memes to go viral. What we do need is better memes. Your senator from the great state of New Jersey, Cory Booker. I thought Booker was from Massachusetts.

1:57:44 No, he's gotta be from New Jersey. He was in Newark. What am I thinking then? Who am I thinking of? Now, he's a big Twitter guy. He saved Newark with Twitter. Oh, I remember this guy now. Yeah. He's a Twitter guy. He's a Twitter guy. He's the senator from the land of Twitterdom. Twitter land. We need better memes. More memes. More memes. We do have a... we need more donors. Yeah, we do.

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2:05:54 OK? The 400 parts per million threshold has been an important marker in U.N. climate change negotiations, widely recognized as a dangerous level that could drastically worsen human-caused global warming. The environmentalist group 350.org takes its name after the 350 parts per million threshold that scientists say is the maximum atmospheric concentration of carbon dioxide for a safe planet.

2:06:35 That's right. We're way over it. What are these guys gonna do with their name? Grim fact. They gotta change it. I wonder if... Grim fact. It's all recorded history of mankind. This is the highest it's been for a sustained period. Isn't that something? It's a historic thing. Yes, we should be celebrating. Since you're laughing there, we're going to get to move on to another clip you might enjoy. Well, hold on. Can we stick with global warming for a moment? Or do you... You got global warming material? Yes, I do. I have some material for you. One, big news from down under. Texas? I'm sorry? Texas? No, down under. Mr. Abbott's chief business advisor

2:07:16 That would be Prime Minister Tony Abbott, Mr. Abbott. Let me see, what was this guy? This guy's name is Mr. Newman and he was his chief business advisor. He says, climate change is a United Nations hoax to end democracy. Oh, he's taking it one step beyond anything anyone else has done. Here it is. Wait, hold on a second. I'm going to read some of this. In 2006, when we were doing the show, were we running into material, the early material that was kind of indicating they wanted to set up global governance because of climate change? Yeah, first we have the climate change, the carbon exchange, and that would be the monetary part, and then yes, global governance, of course.

2:08:01 Well, he puts it, I guess he wrote a column which was published in the Australian. This is why, and I like that this has happened. No one has said that here yet like this. Under the SEDB subheading, the international body's real agenda is a new world order under its control, Mr. Newman wrote. This is not about facts or logic. It's about a new world order under the control of the United Nations. It's opposed to capitalism and freedom. It's about a new world order under the control of the UN. It's a well-kept secret. 95% of the climate models we are told prove the link between human CO2 emissions and catastrophic global warming have been found after nearly two decades of temperature stasis to be in error! Now this seems to me like it's so blatantly nutty and has so many... Although true, of course.

2:08:54 that it's just being put out there just to make naysayers and people who question the science sound nuttier. Yeah, that's the idea. Yeah. Yeah. And that's exactly what this is. They nailed it. That's exactly what this is. But there was another... And you know the editors are doing high five. Oh yeah, they're like, ha ha! Can we use, can we change a couple of the adjectives? Hey, we even got the No Agenda guys to talk about it. Yeah, this is great. Good work. There was, however, from University of Bristol a nice paper that came out. It's published by Science Daily, and it's a warning to people who are all in on the global warming, man-made global warming, thus climate change, how climate science denial affects the science community. This is very interesting. Oh, I get it already. This is, yeah, let me guess.

2:09:46 It's because of the bogativeness of this, what these guys are up to with the lies and the computer models and every, and the cover-ups, the climate gain, all the rest of it. It makes it, it makes, and then the deniers come out with maybe some logic and say, well, wait a minute, this doesn't make sense. And they get shouted down. The whole atmosphere becomes anti-science because the science people are bullies. They're thugs. I'll read from this article. Climate change denial in public, and this is a, like one of those official papers, because it comes from the university, so I guess it means something. Climate change denial in public discourse may encourage climate scientists to overemphasize scientific uncertainty

2:10:33 and is also affecting how they themselves speak and perhaps even think about their own research. This is the study from the University of Bristol in the United Kingdom. So what this is saying is that because they're, and they have a couple of terms for this, which I'm going to find here, because of this scientists are putting a lot of wiggle room into, you know, the IPCC report where they have somewhat likely, likely, extremely likely, boy we're so sure it's likely but not kind of likely. Which is because it's not really scientifically proven, it's only a model predicting something. But I love that it's gotten to the point where the study says climate scientists might even start thinking

2:11:23 that their research is incorrect. And according to the study, multiple lines of evidence indicate that global warming continues unabated, which implies that talk of a pause or a hiatus is misleading. So then they go into some explanation about, you know, well, this is not the first time it's slowed down, etc., etc. Why might scientists be affected by contrarian public discourse? The study argues that three recognized psychological mechanisms are at work. This is, you know, this is my favorite stuff. One is the stereotype threat. Have you ever heard of these? No, no. Stereotype threat refers to the emotional and behavior responses when a person is reminded of an adverse stereotype against a group to which they belong. Thus, when scientists are stereotyped as alarmists, a predicted response would be for them to try to avoid seeming alarmist by downplaying the degree of the threat. Oh, very bad, of course.

2:12:22 See, this is a big problem because of A-hole client science deniers, or let's just say climate deniers, which is what the president calls now. You deny climate. But because of that, the global warmists are afraid to ring the alarm, which is very bad. I haven't seen any evidence of this. Well, the University of Bristol disagrees. Then we have pluralistic ignorance. It's a good term. Pluralistic ignorance describes the phenomenon which arises when a minority opinion is given disproportionate prominence in public debate, resulting in the majority of people incorrectly assuming their opinion is marginalized. Wow, that's rich. Thus a public discourse... Read that one. You gotta start over. This is good.

2:13:12 Pluralistic ignorance describes the phenomenon which arises when a minority opinion is given disproportionate prominence in public debate, resulting in the majority of people incorrectly assuming their opinion is marginalized. Wow, that's flipping it on its head. So they're saying so many climate deniers are being given media time that the true climate scientists who are all in and all right feel marginalized. How about this for...how about turning that around? It's just the opposite. The majority of people don't believe in any of this and the climate warmists are getting lots of air time. And they're making the majority of people, which are the ones that are looking at this logically, feel like, well, maybe I'm wrong. And that's why some of these guys bail out at the end. You've seen these guys do it. They're all, this bullshit is bullshit. And then, okay, I'm in, I'm in, I'm in.

2:14:10 Well, the University of Bristol draws a different conclusion in their study. Thus, a public discourse that asserts that the IPCC has exaggerated the threat of climate change may cause scientists who disagree to think their views are in the minority and they may therefore feel inhibited from speaking out in public. I think that's... That's what I said, just said. I think that was what I tried to express. I think it's exactly the opposite of what you just said. No, no, I said that the majority of people are climate deniers and they get no airtime. And they start to lose faith in their own beliefs, and they've, because of the emphasis on the other guys. Oh, okay. So then the media, the media's, I mean, if you listen to the media, I've never seen anybody that just, in fact, they have these guys, we've had clips of these guys saying, well, you have to have more, more experts in the news, all news media should be twisted. So whatever the story is, it's because of climate change. Yeah. Remember? Yes.

2:15:09 And then the final one is the third-person effect. Research shows that people generally believe that persuasive communications exert a stronger effect on others than on themselves. This is known as the third-person effect. However, in actual fact, people tend to be more affected by persuasive messages than they think. Oh. This suggests the scientific community may be susceptible to arguments against climate change, even when they know them to be false. Oh, you bad scientist! Bad scientist! Bad, bad, bad, bad, bad! Science! But there's more. It's worse. Doesn't the line, know them to be false, kind of like twisted?

2:15:56 Well, this may be a way to back out. Like people, oh, I've got third-person problems. What was the other one? I like the other one better. Pluralistic ignorance. I'm sorry. I'm just filled with pluralistic ignorance today. I'm PI. But wait, as you know here in Austin, Texas, one of the things that is never advertised when you come to the great state, the great Lone Star State, you come to the fabulously hip town of Austin, Texas, what do they never tell you about? The weather the allergies. Oh, yeah, the allergies. Dr. Natalie Azar joins us right now to talk about this pollen tsunami sounds like we made it up. It's pollen tsunami. All right, there's your show title. Pollen tsunami. Sounds like we made it up, but this is real. It's a terrible allergy season. It's a terrible allergy season a couple reasons. One is that we had a really late winter so we're having a bunch of different pollens

2:16:49 Converging on us at the same time right now tree and grass another reason is climate change raises carbon dioxide levels You gotta just make climate change part of every argument And let me ask you this I don't want to give you a blowjob because of climate change Yeah, we got if we kind of come up with a better one. Yeah, that's well. That's not I just ate bugs No, that won't work it. Don't kiss me. I just ate bugs for climate change no The hurricanes, this report that came out, said it's ridiculous how few, since Katrina in 2004 or 2005, one of the two. It's nine years now, going on nine. Nine years of nothing. Yeah.

2:17:32 And now, there's two things that come to mind. You had the one you like to harp on, which was the commentary from these war ambassadors that, oh, the kids in England will never get to see snow again. Yes. Only in a snow globe. Only in a snow globe. And meanwhile, it snows more than ever in a couple of these years. And then the other one, and you heard it, I heard it, everyone listening to this show has heard it. Oh my God. It's gonna be decades of super storms and hurricanes of level 5, number of whatever that number is. Category 5. Category 5 horrible hurricanes will be pounding us and pounding us and there hasn't been jack. Yeah. Well luckily there's a site... At what point does the public say, hey, shut up.

2:18:20 They're also, there is luckily, there's a super typhoon on its way to, I think, the Philippines. Yeah, well that'll help. Happened before. Yeah, it'll help. Yeah, I guess they can maybe use that as well, you know, they're over here now. I find it distressing. But this study from the University of Bristol, to me, I don't know, the way they frame all of this, I'm thinking that their people just, they want to back out and, and you know, but this is either meant to help them ease them out. You know, I couldn't take, I was marginalized, you know, but I give up. Although I don't see how anyone would give up on the money because that's where it all is. Well, the money's being cut out. I don't know if I have the clip. Oh, well let me guess. Um, sequestration? No, no. It's a, um,

2:19:12 I don't think I took it. Let's see, charter school CO2, I think I left it. But the clip was on Democracy Now, and it was the new Republican, you know, it's always the Republicans' fault. They're gonna cut back a bunch of the funding that was going to happen. No, not the charter school one. This is different. I don't have the clip, but they're pulling a bunch of funds from these researchers that are just spending all their money on, you know, proving there's climate change going on when there's proving nothing. They're just taking the money. In fact, this money thing is because the charter schools thing is worth playing. Play this charter schools. I'm gonna stop this at some point because it's on Democracy Now! There's now some anti-charter school thing going on and play this. Where is this going on, this anti-charter school thing? On the left somewhere. I mean, they're really all over it on Democracy Now! Play charter schools.

2:20:10 Long intro. The report was released by the Center for Media and Democracy and is called, New Documents Show How Taxpayer Money Is Wasted by Charter Schools. According to the report, the federal government has spent more than $3 billion over the past two decades on the charter school industry.

2:20:46 But there is no comprehensive database showing how those funds are spent and what results they produce. She concludes that the anti-regulatory environment around charter schools, coupled with their lack of financial transparency, warrants a moratorium rather than increased charter funding. Well, for more, we go to Denver, Colorado, to Denver Open Media, where we're joined by Lisa G— This is a lot of groups that I hear in this here. Did you look up any of these groups, like Denver Open Media and—? Well, OK. This is the problem with this. Yeah. I mean, I'm not a big fan of charter schools, and I have reasons that are whatever they are.

2:21:31 This woman that's gonna come on and she's gonna yak for a while. And then there's a second clip which actually has her kind of being a little more concise. She's from this, these are all... Let's summarize by saying she's also one of the members or founders of the Stop the Coke Brothers. There is something like that. Coke and Coke. Coke Brothers! And they bring this up, I don't have the clip of it, but in there they're bitching about the Coke Brothers again as though they're behind the whole thing, the whole charter scam, because it's a bunch of money makers. Jeez! Okay. Wow. No. So that kind of screws up

2:22:11 I mean, I think the report is probably valid, but what's happened, it seems to me, is that the liberals who have always been kind of in, never all in, but kind of in on the charter school idea, if they can get their kids into them, and then now it's because the Koch brothers seem to be in on it. It's bad. It's bad. Hey, these guys are doing some good work, actually. If you want to get rid of something, just bring in Charles. Yeah, Charles in particular. Hey, Charles, come on in, man. Just sit on the board here so people can get the fuck out of here. We can end this. Yeah. More of the intro? Yeah, you can play a little bit. I'm interested. We're going to Denver. Graves, executive director of the Center for Media and Democracy. Maybe we should stop right now because I see this question coming up and we take it for granted.

2:22:56 We need to address what a charter school is. This is not a... this is a US term, a US phenomenon. Maybe it's important to just explain what it is. Okay, let's go to the book of knowledge. Let's go to the book of knowledge and get the official explanation. Paraphrasing, I'd say you can start a school, anybody can start a school. The government has money available for that for you to run the school. And that's how these schools are created and they are I believe, often profitable, if not ancillary profitable. Charter school is a school that receives public funding but operates independently of the established public school system in which it is located. So the school board has nothing to do with these things. And they are set up by proposals in some way, shape or form, and they send money...they ask the government for money to let them go. And then... Adam, haven't we discussed looking at this at one point, like maybe six or seven years ago?

2:23:55 about setting up a school, a charter school? Another great idea we had. Well, we have a lot of great ideas. There's a charter school in Albany that is in what I could only describe as a small storefront. That used to be a tennis racket stringing operation. And it's like, it's just like the thing has got like two desks. It's like, I don't know what they're up to, but it just screwy. Anyway, charter schools are an example of alternative education. These things... Is this state money or federal money? Mostly federal. Federal, right? Yeah. But I think, but state too, both of them. They get money from every which way.

2:24:36 I'll read some more. Minnesota wrote the first charter school law in the United States in 1991. As of 2011, they now have 149 registered charter schools with over 35,000 students attending. The first of these was Bluffview Montessori School, okay? Since then, 43 states and the District of Columbia have approved the formation of charter schools. So these are schools outside the system that are supposed to be better because they're privately run and they're operated with, you know, as a private sector. It's like a private school but it's a private school that gets government money. So the problem that these guys are having and this woman comes on, you don't have to play anymore of that clip. Go to the second clip because it summarizes a little better.

2:25:19 Well, Lisa, one of the things that your report highlights is this black hole of accountability when it comes to charter schools, that the federal government is not holding the states responsible for the money it gives to the states for charter schools. The states are not holding their own charter-authorizing agencies or even the individual charter schools accountable. And you conclude that this was not by accident. That's right. You know, one of the things we've seen over and over again are promises by the Department of Education to do more to hold charter schools accountable. But what you see on the ground, based on the audits, based on the inspector general's report, is a real lack of controls. You basically have the Department of Education's charter operation sort of encouraging the states to do more.

2:26:07 Meanwhile, you have audits that show that in many instances the states have no idea where the money was spent once it went into the charter school system. They don't know how many kids were really served. They don't know what happened to assets that were purchased through our tax dollars. And there's a recent report last week from the Center for Popular Democracy that shows, through looking through federal and state criminal fraud indictments, but there's been more than $200 million worth of fraud in the charter school industry. And so, this sort of circumstance calls for much greater control, much greater restraint, rather than the 50 percent increase that the administration has called for for charter school funding. Here's what's worrisome in the great state of Texas.

2:26:48 150 schools, charter schools, are a member, are part of the Harmony Schools Network. And we've discussed this. This is funded by and run by Fethullah Gulen. Right, the Turkish guy. The Turkish guy in Pennsylvania. He lives up on the hill under protection, who is always fighting with Erdogan in Turkey. And many of his schools in different parts of Europe, I can only speak to the ones in the Netherlands, were accused of being madrasas, i.e. where kids go to be indoctrinated with Islam and Sharia. Memorize the Quran. Memorize the Quran and sleep there and stay there and then you...anyway, they kick those out, they kick the schools out. But here in Texas, they're always trying to catch him on some brico sting, you know, with the FBI is always trying to get finances, but nothing ever comes out of it.

2:27:44 where really no one is looking at what these kids are being taught. And tons of administrators here in Texas are going on these cool little freebie trips to Turkey. Hey, you know, why don't you come take a look in Turkey? We'll have a little conversation about the Harmony Schools in Turkey. And they're all in, of course. They all go. Friend of mine's doing a documentary on this, that's why I know. Which should be good. It won't change anything. Well, it may be a chance. OK, well, it'll just be good and it will go all and it'll be like the oh, now I know. And then then nothing changes. Yeah.

2:28:21 Well, this goes on and on, and the Koch brothers are blamed. And then the weird thing, if you heard this part of it that you just listened to, they kind of scold the Department of Education for being incompetent boneheads. But because the Koch brothers and the conservatives, generally speaking, want to just dissolve the Department of Education because it's really pretty useless, that's what the rationale is. Why are we wasting our money on this? You know, the states can do all this stuff. But because the Koch brothers are part of that, All of a sudden, and I don't have a clip of it, but they turn around, even though they're bitching and moaning about these charter schools, to defend, because they're liberals, defend the Department of Education, saying how important it is. So the thing falls apart. But it's interesting that there's an attack going on.

2:29:05 That's what I thought was interesting. Right. Well, there's also the KIPP charter schools and I've actually heard very good things about, about the KIPP charter schools. So this, you know, this good and bad, the ones in Chicago, that's more interesting when, you know, you have 15 public schools taken out, you put 15 charter schools in and it's all a pipeline into Cisco who have a new office there. And they're not bashful about saying it. And the more I think about it, the more sense it makes. I mean, look, if we need robots, we need people to, you know, to, Do maintenance on the drones and other autonomous vessels. Yeah, well that was we came up with that on the show showing how it's a pipeline. Yeah, it's a complete pipeline. Pipeline to a robotic, you know, drone-like job where you can be replaced eventually by a real robot instead of these human robots which are not quite as good. And it's interesting to see how many people are so happy and think it's so incredibly cool. That's kind of the culture of course, the religion of technology about the autonomous trucks. And I, some people even, I made a joke on Twitter about this and

2:30:09 Some people say well, you know things change when your horse and buggy drivers were out of work when Yeah, but look at all the people if there's no more truck drivers, but you know why do you need a truck stop just have some Just some rails the cascade effect is yes, you don't need anyone with any food or those half our listeners Yeah, that's right. You just killed off our audience Truck drivers are dead and that's all that's all gone, but so much yeah the the what did you call it? Cascade effect cascade effect, right?

2:30:46 the cascade effect, the unintended consequences of cascading technology, technological revolutions. There you go. Of course, then we have this guy Kurzweil commenting on this. He's a complete maniac and he's talking about everything. This is just a... he was on NewsHour. Is this because of his article about us living in the matrix? I don't know what it was. I think it was more about his article that we're all doomed. This is the singularity crap. We're all going to be... Expand exponentially, they double in power roughly every year. So look at the Genome Project. It was a 15-year project. Halfway through the project, seven and a half years into it, 1% had been completed. So some people looked at it and said, well, 1%, we just barely got started.

2:31:34 I looked at it and said 1% well we're halfway through because 1% is only seven doublings from 100% and it doubled every year, seven years later it was finished. So from one perspective we're at an early stage in artificial intelligence but exponential start out slowly and then they take off. One such technology is a self-driving car. This is a misleading argument of his. He lost me at doubling. I didn't understand what he was saying. He's claiming that he for some reason projects the Moore's Law, which actually reminds me I've got to do another column on this. Moore's Law where the number of transistors on a square inch doubles every 18 months. Because he changed that to a year.

2:32:20 Because the number of transistors double every 18 months or so, you end up with this technological exponential growth. All of a sudden you got all these items are better and faster. Facebook gets faster. Facebook loads faster. Netflix loads faster. Everything's better, faster, cheaper, but this doesn't apply to everything. He says it applies to everything pretty much. So when the genome project was got no real technology aspect to it except computer used for analyzing the genetic structure, it went pretty quickly after the first 1% was done, according to him. I don't know that this is even true. Then he figured he was halfway there. So what he's claiming is however long it takes to get to 1%,

2:33:09 It's like if it takes five years, then in 10 years you'll be at the 100% mark when I would throw back at him. Take a look at character recognition or book reading or handwriting recognition. Well, we got to the 1% pretty quickly. Then we got to the 98% and then we haven't moved an inch. Hey Siri, stop. Hey Siri. Hello Google. Okay Google. Okay Google. Delete my calendar. Alexa, turn on the lights. Oh shoot, she actually does that. Sorry. Anyway, so it was just some dumb... Meanwhile, I was watching, there was a... I saw there was an event with the... just kind of the usual suspects. I don't know why Eric Schmidt is writing so many books, but he wrote another book. Oh no. And he was being interviewed at the... and I know you're a huge fan. A huge fan of Melissa Meyer. Well, I like Marissa. I don't know about Melissa. I like Marissa. Melissa, I meant Marissa. Even your clip says Melissa.

2:34:07 I'm a big fan of Marissa Meyer. I think she is a fantastic figurehead of a company. She's smoking hot. I'm a fan. I like what she does. I like what she says. Let me finish. So I want you to listen to her sultry voice and she has a fascinating laugh. No, no, no. Don't do this to me. This is like fascinating. Instant innie. No, no, no. This is that you appreciate. No, this is digital castration. This is not fair. Yeah, I can't use this. And I was really grateful as I watched my career and my compliment of being funny flash before my eyes that you had a sense of humor in that moment. How important is the sense of humor as an executive?

2:34:58 I could put my hand over her mouth Come on It's I thought you'd appreciate it now you have a little you know, but you know what this is this is where you're okay at least we also laugh about Jeff Bezos is Laugh. Very similar. It is, which is the hallmark of a great CEO. A crazy ass laugh. Must be. I think so. I've been reading the European Commission's report. It's now bubbling up to the top now that we have a couple things behind us. The digital single market. We've discussed this before.

2:35:48 And the idea is, and they have a huge website for it, all kinds of smart papers and stuff. And they're talking about making cross-border commerce easier. So, you know, they're going to simplify the VAT rules. Right now selling cross-border within the EU can, you know, you have all these compliance issues. It is a nightmare. But also they want to modernize copyright law. to ensure the right balance between creators and consumers' interests. And they also want to work with all stakeholders in... Stakeholders. Stakeholders, yes. In removing illegal content from the Internet. Oh yeah, we gotta do that. Yeah, and so this is always interesting to me, is what exactly is legal content.

2:36:40 And a lot of it really revolves around copyright law, of course, for Hollywood, etc. But when you see the most recent case in the European Court of Justice, it appears now that linking to copyrighted material is also going to be deemed infringing on someone's copyright. Yeah, yes Exactly. Yeah, so somebody links to my column in PC magazine it was in I'm all for this I mean no for now. That's not exactly it's not a piece. No. It's not exactly how it works Okay, if if someone had taken had copied your column and put it on WordPress like you know favorite columns at wordpress.com

2:37:36 And then someone links to the column there. Now I don't see why that's a good example because it would be better for, you know, pictures, movies, songs, etc. That's an easier to understand example. Just linking to it will get you in legal trouble. This is not gonna...this is a...well, this is... Well, they're pushing it, but I'm seeing this coming into play as part of the digital single market along with licensing. So if you actually wanna do...you're a journalist, you're a blogger, license, so you're recognized everywhere as a blogger. Meanwhile, you just got licensed to be a blogger. All of these things are...this truly is the boiling frog over there, man, in Europe.

2:38:24 Well, this isn't good. No. Then we have to expect. I've said it before. This is the we're living in the golden age of the Internet. We'll look back on this and say, well, used to be able to do everything you wanted to do. It was kind of cool. Daddy, was a granddad. Were they that you could actually go download things? Yes, you could. Yes, you could. And you can print whatever you wanted. You could just set up. You could just set up a website and put down and type whatever you wanted without a license. And you could. Yes. Yes, exactly. Well, another prediction coming true, unfortunately. Actually, it's a double whammy. We've talked about these trackers in cars and of course also your life trackers, your Fitbits and your slave jewelry from Apple, etc. This will become first, it'll be a good deal if you

2:39:12 If you use it because your insurance company will give you a break on your premium, then eventually it will become the norm and you'll just be penalized if you don't have some form of tracking on your body or on your... They're trying to do that with cars right now. Right, but check this out. This is phase three of the Meaningful Use Program. I received this from Scott, one of our producers. Beholden's physicians to prove they are using computers and collecting and sharing health data with other health care providers and patients, and it must be 15% of their patients that they do this for, and this includes Fitbits, etc. If they do not comply, they will lose some of the Medicaid reimbursements. What? Yes. Huh. Medicaid or Medicare? Medicaid.

2:40:15 Let's just stop a second. It makes more sense that it'd be Medicare, but if it's Medicaid... Let me double check. I'm reading. I'll tell you why it would make more sense. Medicaid... I'm sorry, you're right, Medicare. I'm sorry, cut in Medicare payments for services rendered. I'm sorry, you're right. I always get confused. Maybe you should explain it to me. What's the difference? Medicare is health insurance. Okay, and Medicaid is people who are poor. Medicaid is welfare. Welfare, okay. So this would be Medicare payments. So that makes more sense. The reason I was saying that didn't make sense is because these guys can't afford a FIDPAC. I agree, I agree.

2:40:51 Obligated to collect data from at least 15% of their patients or suffer a cut in Medicare payments for services rendered. And this is the meaningful use program. Wow, well that's interesting. You know what that means of course, 15% today. Yeah, then there's that part of it, yeah. But think about how smart Apple is. Oh, to jump in. Oh yeah. It may have jumped in prematurely. I think this has to be, this has to be implemented, but well, upon. So Hyal Apple. Good work everybody. Hyal. Hyal. Yes. Very nice. Huh? Well, the Fitbit guys are, well, the smart money is going to be, I mean people, Apple will have their device, but the Fitbit, which is cheap, they have the Costco. That's really it. Yeah. Is where the money is.

2:41:47 We'll see. Well, I don't know, the Apple thing is still up in the air. The death knell of the company, if you ask me. Well, my thinking, because I know Apple's a great short, and I don't want to give stock tips here or any ideas to anybody, but my thinking is always, well, when's it going to top? When's Apple, you know, it's going to go up and down. It's going to go down, it's going to collapse, it's not going to collapse. My thinking is when the first Apple store closes, That's when you start looking at it. Right now they're still opening more. But when the first one closes, and I don't mean like the one in Palo Alto that closed so they could build another one down the block. Like Kiev. Yeah, same thing. Apple Store Kiev. Yeah. Anyway. Okay.

2:42:39 What else you got? I do you know I know I have a bunch of tech news things, but really not anything like super tech news geeky stuff like I have some geeky stuff. You have tech news and we can do we can do I don't have tech news okay? Yeah, let me just run through a couple of these. I have a couple things I got a sexual assaults up or down. No no no not it. I don't want it this You wanna play Melissa Meyer again? No, at the end of the show, I'll play it. Okay. Also, I've got Nike BS. This is good. This would crack me up because you know, they're trying to push down this, everyone's throat. I don't know why they're keeping this TPP, whatever this trans-Pacific partnership, why are they keeping everything a secret? Do you have any clue on this? Because it's not agreed to yet because they're still in conversation. This isn't, nothing has been agreed to. Why can't it just be open for people to look at?

2:43:31 What difference does it make? Well, everyone has it. They keep leaking the draft documents. It's just, I don't know. All right, play the Nike BS in TPP. Footwear giant Nike has announced it will create 10,000 jobs in the United States if the controversial Trans-Pacific Partnership trade deal, or TPP, is approved. The 12-nation pact would encompass 40 percent of the global economy and is being negotiated in secret. Critics say the deal would hurt workers, undermine regulations and expand corporate power. Nike says the agreement would allow it to invest in U.S.-based production. The announcement coincides with President Obama's visit today to Nike headquarters in Oregon.

2:44:11 Obama's all in on this and meeting with Phil, the guy who runs Nike. How does this make any logical sense? The Trans-Pacific Partnership, why would it make it so all of a sudden out of the blue when he could never do it before, Knight, the guy who runs the place, can now open up shop here in the U.S. of A and hire 10,000 people. Unless you're slave labor, I mean, it doesn't make sense. I'll try and explain. The pros and cons are very simple. We do not have a free trade agreement, which means that certain products...I know candles, if you want to import candles from Europe, there's some crazy, or at least at one point, there was 40% import tax. Hold on a second.

2:44:54 Are you telling me that those candles around your bathtub, you're using so many of them, that you had to look into this to find out that importing candles, you're going to import them? Is that what it was? No. No. I'm going back to 1989 when my first wife was putting candles around the bathtub and said, wow, that's really expensive. And she said, yeah, candles are expensive here versus Europe where they're very cheap. then I said, well, maybe we should import candles for a business until I found out that there were huge import duties, taxes on candles. You may continue. Okay, thank you. So there's all kinds of restrictions also, of course, on petroleum products, all kinds of reasons to do this. But of course, what the naysayers, the counterpart, is saying, well, this is no good because then we will all have to adhere to trade practices and employment laws that will be

2:45:48 you know, slave-like. Because that's how we roll here. You know, we got nothing but slaves. And obviously this is truly what Abbott's buddy there is saying. This is how you create the New World Order. It would be a huge coming together of Europe or the EU, of the United States. Japan will be in on it. You know, so there's two documents, obviously, you know, we have the TTIP and the TPP. But once he gets the TSA, the Fast Track Authority, TPA, whatever it's called, then the president can go ahead and just move forward with it. I would like it to all move forward very quickly, please. Get it over with, rip the band-aid off, expose everybody so we can see what's really going on, and then maybe people will get pissed off enough to do something about it. Ah! You're not gonna get pissed off about anything.

2:46:39 It's abusing the word thug. Exactly. All right, then I'll do my little tech bits. Maybe not. Unintended consequences of technology. I don't know if we discussed that. That Google's or Waze, and Google as well I presume, that redirects traffic around back streets. That now in Los Angeles this is becoming a problem. People in the in the hills and other places where it was always quiet. And now you've got cars rushing through their streets during rush hour and everyone's pissed off about it. And they actually want to ask Google to, uh, you know, to change the recommended, the recommended routes during certain hours or that don't route it through people's neighborhood. Please. U S military starting with, uh, Fort Huachua. Is that how you pronounce it? I have no idea. In Arizona.

2:47:36 no longer will be teaching Morse code. Oh, well, this is good. It'll become encrypted technology. Yes, I guess it's like speaking Navajo. Yeah. And, uh, and some other ham radio, ham radio satellite satellite launch. That's a transponder with PSK 31. I'm actually kind of excited about that. So I can communicate digitally through this satellite and anyone within sight of the satellite can then receive it. It should be half the hemisphere. Yeah, I think that's kind of cool. Yeah, I should get back on the stick. You know, I've had my D-Star radio on almost every single day on channel 33. Well, it's been months since I heard anyone on there. Months.

2:48:27 Huh, nobody cares. Well, I'll go on. I keep my D star in the car. Really? Good. Yeah, just in case of emergency. The question is, do you have it in a Faraday bag? Uh, no. No. I don't. You should consider it. It's a good point. You should consider it. I think I'll make my glove box a Faraday cage. That would work. Producers worldwide, please think of us at Dvorak.org slash NA. And you know when you have those transponders for the bridge they can follow you around all over the San Francisco apparently just tracks you mm-hmm Yeah, you need a Faraday thing or aluminum foil work you do Thursday we will be at it once again And you never know what we'll discover. Oh yes very important today all the Fletcher fest Shouts are in the show notes and on Thursday we shall be knighting

2:49:27 Herr Fletcher for his great work. Does he have a Fletcher shout? Yeah, somewhere we've got that I'm sure. That he shouts his name? I think so. I think so. And several other things. Coming to you from FEMA Region 6 here in the capital of the drone star states, Crackpot Condo downtown Austin in the morning everybody, I'm Adam Curry. And from northern Silicon Valley where as I look out I see that the traffic for some unknown reason on a Sunday around noon is backed up I don't know why. I'm John C. Dvorak. We'll be back on Thursday right here on No Agenda. Amen! Fist bump!

2:50:17 And I was really grateful as I watched my career and my compliment of being funny flash before my eyes that you had a sense of humor in that moment. How important is a sense of humor as an executive? So ladies and gentlemen, that is how Google works. And a real life example of inciting debate has been such an honor. So when are you applying to work for us? Amen. Fist bump. Adios, mofo. The best podcast in the universe. Dvorak.org slash N-A-W-O-R-K.