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00:01 It's another dark and rainy evening in Northern California. It's time once again for the show that has no jingles, no music, no commercials... No talent and no agenda! Coming to you from the Curry Condo I'm Adam Curry Yeah i'm John C. Dvorak In the fabulous Dvorak mansion in the mansion. Yeah, the work man she needs paint job Hey JC how you doing? Okay? I just got back from a president and CEO dinner at Sequoia capital yeah How was that it you know I gotta tell you for it was really nice It was at this place called Nola in

00:41 Palo Alto it's like a as in Nola as in northern Louisiana, so it's kind of Cajun actually no love Actually what? It really means is New Orleans, Louisiana. What did I say you said Northern? Oh now? I'm confused I meant exactly New Orleans, Louisiana There was actually a restaurant in new orleans new Orleans called Nola that's one of What's his name, the bang chef? The guy who... Emeril. It's one of Emeril's restaurants and it's really I've eaten there and it's outstanding but what's really impressive to me when you go to that place is that they have a wine list that has every price you can imagine for any kind of wine and you could throw a dart at that list and everything's just incredible winner. Everythings good so

01:36 About 20-20 guys, I think and anybody noteworthy. Well the guys you would know of course would be Mark Kwame Mike Moritz and God who's the guy from South Africa that did no from Okay that guy Who's gonna hate me now? He only gave us five million dollars. Ruloff, shut up, Ruloff. But you look around the room and you look at these companies they're pretty well invested in media companies I think that if we pulled all of our resources together

02:16 For towards advertisers, which of course we actually discussed. We could be a pretty big force You know this is very interesting companies what I found the most interesting two companies actually One is eHarmony The CEO was there that guy yeah harmony guy the white haired guy who's on the commercial? Believe it or not that's not this that's not the CEO Okay, so that's just some phoney guy Yeah That is definitely not him I mean that guy's creepy. No, no this is a very nice guy Also there was the CEO of ZhaZha are you familiar with ZhaZha? Never heard of it It's J-A-J-A-H dot com and it's... Why am I not surprised Well they're doing amazing business I've actually been a client That's why I was interesting to meet him I've been a client of the company for over two years

03:10 It's a it's a cheap phone service basically. Oh, yeah No I've heard of him okay right now He's he saving me like 400 pounds a month just between my wife calling her sister So he's got a pretty good service there. I'd say and otherwise it was all right You know there's how many would any media people there at all? From media companies, you know, I mean like, you know journalists that no. No, no Oh, no though this is a coin ever silence. Oh, no, no, no, no, no, no, no the cone of silence Hush-hush non disclosure. Yeah. You know, I'm sure there's all kinds of so yeah So I'll tell you all about it tomorrow back and forth by competitive companies. Oh, you don't want to have anybody secure Etsy It's the cartel

03:58 Sounds boring. No, it wasn't boring what was good about it It was short so they didn't there was no way could be boring Yes, it could have been boring. It could have been one of those really long drawn-out things now is like going on the table Hey are you doing? What's every just reintroduction or new people who we you know one guy their PUD Philip from Adbright he used to work for Ron and I say, you know this a pretty familiar room and And, you know we just give an update and see if there's anything we can do together. Then have a drink, have some food then fuck off it was pretty good! Was the food any good? Yes, the food was excellent I had the... They had a strip steak which they served around mashed potatoes with fried onion strips on top. Yeah it was nice and a garnish around the side. I'm trying to explain as best as possible because I know you care

04:52 But it was, yeah it was quite nice actually. So I was, while you were doing this. I was spending the day down in Half Moon Bay at the Ritz-Carlton at the Always On Conference with a bunch of venture capital guys and um... You know? I didn't get that much out but I did see a bunch people I needed to see and you know schmoozed The PR woman that runs the Ritz Carlton there used to be my booker at Tech TV Your hooker?! The Booker!

05:33 And she used to, and so I know her. She's been in fighting. You can spend the night, you have free whatever. I never go down there. Cool! Is she hot? She's a she's a nice woman. Okay, all right when you sound like one of these guys who's on the forum here You know she's not she's no I mean it John I say I say this to you at the office about women as they don't why should I be any different on this show? There's the evidence against you anyway so true She's a good-looking woman. I've always liked her. She's very pleasant and a great PR person She's really smart But I didn't know she was a mega foodie Oh Wow

06:11 And so she's starting her own agency and she is going to do wine and food PR. Well, excellent! Excellent because we have a whole fucking channel... But anyway I got the tour, I got to meet the chef when I get there for the place I did all this stuff you know what that was going on in had a bunch of free food down there. I don't know where this story was going. I had a point to make before you brought up this. I'm sorry. Unbelievable. So I, you know...I'm always scanning across all of the news shows. And I heard one thing very consistent this morning as also it was the first opportunity to listen to Twit124 and Buzz Out Loud and no one has any news in the technology world

06:54 Everyone's full of crap. That's what we'll take over on this show because we've got absolutely nothing Okay back to my story So anyway, so I'm talking to her and she knows all the gossip about what's going on in the restaurant scene around here And she's really it got great information But apparently there's this new spot She believes gonna be the next hotspot taking over for anyone from San Francisco knows these places myth has been sold to somebody else and The hotspot right now is Spruce But there's a new one she believes is going to be the next big thing. This conversation was very in-depth on this, and I now realize that she's stunning when it comes to being at this level of foodie. Orson is the name of the place. It's down there.

07:36 around fourth and Excellent Brandon so we can walk there finally have a place. We can have something cool, but they're probably of course won't be open for lunch So what there is isn't me? Oh I had I had dinner just to wrap up the food part of the show I had dinner at Spruce and gotta say I was well impressed How'd you get into spruce? I just called him up. He said don't you know who I am how did he get into spruce I Obviously I'm not buying that argument. I don't know Rosie made the reservation for me oh Rosie's got rosies got to pull in this town man. Be on the lookout for Rosie Yeah, not that talk to her about the portions were really really small at which which I don't like yeah You're like a throwback well those people appreciate that little bit

08:22 So that was, but the service was really... The presentation was great. Taste was great. Quality was great. But the service was really knowledgeable and yeah it was good! It was all around a great experience if you sit in the back room by the way because thats where you can actually have a conversation You cant really talk in that in that front mess hall. Oh, the mess hall up front is very noisy! Oh thats not good. Yeah but in the back its nice. The place was owned by a guy who did the woodside... or not the wood side but the village pub or village tavern whatever it gets called is on the woodside Which is a great restaurant that's kind of underrated and so they opened this place up in San Francisco I guess to get the reputation, but if you know you probably get the same food at the village pub or the village tavern whatever it's called In Woodside. So without having to deal with a long wait So anyway before we finish the food section of this show God no not more yeah

09:13 Yes, you're getting free tea. Oh yeah, we did a very short piece of few weeks ago about PG tips and whatever I got nothing by the way well I haven't received it arrived at the UK office and Carrie sent me an email to tell us who sent to you why Shall I see if i can find the actual email somewhere in here? The Yorkshire Tea Company themselves sent it over and they said they had heard the show And could not resist trying to bring me up to the real gold standard of Yorkshire instead of PG Tips. I was tickled, so...and there's a whole box apparently So I can't wait

08:22 So that was, but the service was really... The presentation was great. Taste was great. Quality was great. But the service was really knowledgeable and yeah it was good! It was all around a great experience if you sit in the back room by the way because thats where you can actually have a conversation You cant really talk in that in that front mess hall. Oh, the mess hall up front is very noisy! Oh thats not good. Yeah but in the back its nice. The place was owned by a guy who did the woodside... or not the wood side but the village pub or village tavern whatever it gets called is on the woodside Which is a great restaurant that's kind of underrated and so they opened this place up in San Francisco I guess to get the reputation, but if you know you probably get the same food at the village pub or the village tavern whatever it's called In Woodside. So without having to deal with a long wait So anyway before we finish the food section of this show God no not more yeah

09:13 Yes, you're getting free tea. Oh yeah, we did a very short piece of few weeks ago about PG tips and whatever I got nothing by the way well I haven't received it arrived at the UK office and Carrie sent me an email to tell us who sent to you why Shall I see if i can find the actual email somewhere in here? The Yorkshire Tea Company themselves sent it over and they said they had heard the show And could not resist trying to bring me up to the real gold standard of Yorkshire instead of PG Tips. I was tickled, so...and there's a whole box apparently So I can't wait

09:50 to get to the office which by the way Monday so I'm flying back tomorrow afternoon, Monday evening we have our pod show UK Christmas dinner. We're not doing a huge party but you know when you put staff together with spouses and some of our talent who work full-time for productions we're doing. You know, you're talking 25 to 30 people so of course Patricia and I were going to go the party What do you think shows up today in my email box? An invitation from Monday night starting at 6 o'clock for the Led Zeppelin one off reunion concert and party! And like oh my fucking god i feel so bad for the pod show people that won't be able to make it

10:39 You're gonna have to make a showing No, I'm of course. I've gone to the Christmas party the oh man. I don't know yeah That's Eppelin one off because those guys are so gone by now But it's like that or the Ahmed Ardigan Erdogan tribute And you know there's gonna be a whole everyone in the fucking world is going to be there So I went to the first Led Zeppelin concert when they did nicest They came out to the west coast and I would went luckily enough got to see him when they first showed up And it was really a pretty dynamite experience because no one had heard this type of sound before. Because they were, you know... It was a power trio with different twist and especially with Jimmy Page because at the time he's doing stuff with the guitar including playing... Yeah, playing it like a violin right? Yeah! With a bow string, I was like what the heck is that?! But curious thing so I was working part-time, I was working and going to college at same time

11:33 I would do that by the way. And so, uh...I was in the luncheon place talking to some guy who's like a big one of these guys who went to all those concerts like i used to do and I noticed there was one curious thing that happened at the concert that I thought was odd In the middle of their song which is one of songs had a break in it when they'd be singing and going crazy and have a break and then Jimmy Page ripped into a guitar solo At the moment of the break, somebody in the left-hand back corner let out a bloodcurdling shriek that matched beautifully. The timing and everything was perfect for the music and it really added dimension to the song. But actually got stabbed?

12:20 No, it was just somebody screeching. But it always stuck in my mind as like awkwardly perfect. And you miss on the record? I went to this guy and said what day did you go and he went some other day. Did you notice...and I pointed out specifically this blood curdling shriek at this one moment of song that left him back of room in a corner And he said, yeah I thought that was weird. I heard that too! So apparently they were ahead of their times with setting these shills into the audience. Oh cool Yeah it's what i was thinking but you know ever since then I think have been skeptical about everything It's called show business John

13:04 Yeah, show business. So I've been a... you got any stories you want to launch into? Well wait let me finish before we go on with the story. You're still not done? More food? The special blend PG tips that we were going to talk about and one thing that we didn't mention maybe get some of this for free because nobody says anything to me Lifeboat tea which i mentioned to you but we didn't get it on the air is really one of the more interesting British teas if people out there wanna like a tea with a real punch to it Lifeboat tea was supposedly used by the British Emergency Corps and their lifeboats so they could you know, it would give them an extra punch of Caffeine or whatever. And that's good stuff. Okay delicious actually says actually quite tasty All right. I'm done. So I've gone on Let me see we talked

13:57 Last time did we talk we talked about the military industrial complex. We maybe that was at the office I was showing you Eisenhower's yeah, you're like getting a little nutty about this stuff But yeah well someone sent me another Eisenhower quote Which I just got a read you back up and tell people okay if anybody's out there They want to you know go look up Eisenhower on YouTube And he has this really nice speech that he gave and I you know vaguely remembers hearing it over the years About but the dangers of the military industrial complex, and it's actually when you hear the speech which you have isolated I should put on the blog. It's actually quite quite Quite interesting.

14:45 So I'm telling you this guy is the Nostradamus of American politics. Listen to this, should any political party attempt to abolish Social Security unemployment insurance and eliminate labor laws and farm programs You would not hear that party again in our political history There's a tiny splinter group of course that believes you can do these things Among them are few Texas oil millionaires And occasional politician or businessmen from other areas Their number is negligible and they are stupid Isn't that a great quote? You know Eisenhower I think was underappreciated it the more we you know over time. I think people are starting to appreciate that guy more and more and more me guys He was a military You know yeah, he was a general right. Here's the hot boy. He's the one who organized it. You know the D-Day thing Yeah, he was them and

15:39 And he was always like, you know he didn't seem like a humorous guy by any means. He was kind of stiff business type as the president and he was despised by the Democrats because he was a Republican. But the fact of the matter is that looking back on it, he may have been one of the better presidents we've ever had. Surely you can recommend some literature to our listeners? I can't think of anything. Because I gotta find out more about this guy. Well, I think he wrote a couple books which would be worth reading He's probably got a, there are probably a few biographies. I'll look into it! Like everybody else, I've taken him for granted and maybe should rethink it. So, I'm on this tear now about how can we stop the military-industrial complex? Yeah, I know I am getting nutty but hear me out because actually have a really good idea. If I were to ask you what is the most powerful force in the American economy what would you say?

16:37 The most powerful force? Yeah. What is the most powerful force in the American economy? It's used all the time in financial reporting In financial reporting, I was going to say sex before you said that! In American economics Profit? No Consumers Right it's the American consumer that is the God Almighty power of this country Would you agree I think so, yeah. That's what makes the country a big market So i saw this really cute animation flash type real time video thing on a website called storyofstuff.com

17:22 And it's basically the story of how stuff is made, you know from and of course from a green vantage point So first we rape the earth then We then we create all this chemical toxic shit by creating stuff and then we package all this stuff up and then people take it home and Then it turns into garbage only 1% actually is recycled. You know one of those stories and But the thing that struck me is the whole part about the consumerism. And apparently there was an economist after the Second World War, his name escapes me for a second... and he came up with the idea of using the American people this consumer force to fuel the economy through something called obsolescence by design?

18:03 Or designed obsolescence, so products that are absolutely... Planned obsolescence. I'm sorry planned obsolescence thank you. So products that are designed to break after six months or that need an upgrade? It's Vabling you're talking about right? Yeah! That's it thank you oh John i love it man you are so fucking smart And then there's perceived obsolescence, which is basically the fashion industry. They had this great little graphic of so you work really hard all day and you come home and sit in front of television then television says You suck! You don't have the coolest shoes Then you go out to shop and get the coolest shoes and feel better Then you work twice as hard and take another job to be able to afford it Go home and rest and watch television and they tell you that you suck again because you've got yet the wrong bag It's this endless loop of perceived obsolescence

18:48 And I was thinking we should make, first of all if we want to protest as a country all we have to do is just stop consuming. Which is a great way to protest because it's easy to do and we save money so I really like the concept let's just not buy anything for awhile and maybe that'll wake someone up but then I thought how do you get that kind of awareness? What if we created a brand and I've come up with the perfect brand called Wrong So, instead of having the right Gucci bag or the exact right Chanel bag or the perfect shoes... ...or the right dress. You could walk in and you know how ladies are deathly afraid they walk into a party and have the wrong bag? It's like everyone has yet the new version. Oh I've got it wrong! She's got the wrong bag oh my gosh! Why don't we just create a brand called Wrong

19:43 You have these you know handbags and just like a Gucci logo It'll say wrong so that you can be proud by protesting By using the same bag not being the part of the perceived obsolescence by wearing and using the wrong brand I've already registered shop wrong calm and buy wrong calm in Yeah, I'm on the board. Okay thank you we're making t-shirts first that's our first order. The T-shirt has got to say wrong. But with a great logo so it really looks fashionable right just wrong. You know it doesn't Franklin Gothic will work you know, any good type font. So I'm kind of surprised this actually is an outstanding idea. Of course now we'll get some flyers like, you just say whatever Curry says because it's... No no no! You do not! And so I'm just saying this to the two or three guys out there who think we're... Anyway, so um..I think you should look into this further because I actually would be surprised if somebody else isn't doing something similar?

20:41 It's just too good of an idea. I was amazed that knowing that there is a place out there called ShopRight and Best Buy, that I could get shopwrongandbuyrong.com. I was blown away that those domain names were available! And of course I got them using my GoDaddy code DSC1 Speaking of perceived obsolescence... That's funny because I came up with an idea today too, which is something that I think I'm going to implement. It's called the Disclosure Project and I've got a PR woman that owes me a favor. I'm gonna have her promote this thing. She doesn't work at Half Moon Bay does she by any chance? No no actually I am going to work with her though she's on some food things you know when i do some other projects I'm gonna bring her on because she's... Yeah yeah get back to your disclosure project. She should be a restaurant critic

21:35 because we have a crappy one here in the Bay Area and something has to be done. Anyway, the disclosure project and the idea is I came up with the idea of...because my bloggers because they have like eight guys or so that blog for me and they also had the Dvorak cage match and the other dvorak.org slash blog and there's you know contribute but everybody else does too and they come up with a lot of great stuff. But I want to put a page up with every one these guys, of course I haven't cleared with these guys yet because i just thought about it today. I'm going to put a page and push as a project that all media outlets should do which is that I want a list the writers that are contributing and I wanna know what their political affiliation is

22:23 what the religious affiliation is and all the other things that would be interesting so you can re-evaluate what they have to say based on what they obviously have as a background. And now while I can see somebody saying, well I don't want to say who I voted for or whether I'm Republican or Democrat because it's private private private and I could see people moaning about the concept But the fact of the matter is if you're in the fifth estate, and you're providing information to the public and your digging into all kinds of things. I think that you have to make a sacrifice once in awhile and tell people where your coming from! And that's what I call The Disclosure Project. So when you read an article on The New York Times by so-and-so...I want to be able to click on that guys name

23:08 you know where he's coming from. Is he a Republican? Is he a Democrat? Is it part of the union is your freelancer? John, let me ask you question isn't that kind of where it's going to move eventually anyway where I would so yeah you're writer but I see you as a journalist If I want to know what John C. Dvorak is about, I go to johncdvorak.org and I can read about you and make up my own mind. It's not exactly disclosed in that manner but... No actually you don't know that much on the devore.org blog you'll get a short bio which I have listed, it's you know i wrote for here or won this award and done this and do that but i get insight into you you get very little it doesn't say is not the same as knowing that i'd you know they're like we talked about before like i've been done you know universal life church in a you know i've never really some agnostic in but i'm not an atheist like these other guys i got two or three atheists you know well

24:07 I think it's a really good idea, first of all. I doubt that any journalist will participate because i think you're right they're all going to say... Well, I think they could be forced-I think that if the public demanded it.. I know how! I know how you can force them make it a wiki Yeah, make it a wiki and if you know but they're allowed to change it I Like that. You know what? Alba that's what its gonna end up becoming because oh this is here it is so you send them an email Congratulations. You are now on the disclosure project a wiki page has been created for you anyone

24:44 can go in and put anything they want but if you register with these credentials, whatever then you have an admin so that you can change it to what you believe is true. In disclosure. But the changes will remain in place something like that That could be very cool! That would work God damn two million dollar ideas in one twenty five minutes We are rolling we are that good Actually, we had a guy I was doing cranky geeks the other day and guy comes up to conversation change to like an idea Oh boy And I have to kind of remember what it was but it was like a moneymaker You promptly forgot. We just do this. I mean come on

25:29 A lot of money making. This is a problem, by the way for people out there listening to this little area in the San Francisco Bay Area especially around the Silicon Valley milieu is essentially it's all you do all the time as you're just coming up with these idiotic ideas some are good some are stupid but there's just... The whole scene is nothing but just dreaming up concepts and ideas and trying to make some money or if nothing else just implementing or having fun It's really an odd place Yeah, I couldn't were you were you here in the 60s. Yeah? You were out here weren't you and I was just a youngster yeah Okay, sorry. I forgot but it hasn't this place always been like that

26:10 You know, I think it goes back to the gold mining era. Oh wow! You were around then too weren't you? Just a youngster but... Yeah, I was just a kid but i think really in the 18th once gold and then silver was discovered and all these borderline criminals came out here with their banks All of this guys became very famous bought this and they took advantage of the situation That group, I think is the progenitors of everything we've seen since even though people like to credit Silicon Valley with Stanford. But if you look at Stanford, Stanford himself the original Leland Stanford who goes back to that same era was a borderline crook and it's like the whole scene has really come from the gold rush and the scammers and everybody that came and went and it still exists in fact one time I was at a party

27:02 I won't say whose place, but it's one of these guys. Actually, I think it was the CEO's of Intuit and there is a big mansion, Scott. And so there was this party there and I was in one of the rooms talking to somebody and there's this very cynical guy making me look like a normal guy and we're talking about well you know there's a lot of you know I was actually promoting the valley thing as in a way that a lot of ideas and stuff are generated. And i don't why it was so uptempo. You were smoking the dope I was not smoking anything. In fact, it wasn't even drinking much maybe that's the problem but anyway whatever the case this guy says what are you talking about? He says this whole thing is just a big scam all these guys are just a bunch of salesmen selling crap to the public there's nothing to its shallow its just making money from making money sake and he went on and on and I walked away going you know what he's right

28:05 To a certain extent, absolutely. I notice over and over how weirdly out of place we are here in San Francisco Not you but Podshow as a company. I don't think that's out of place! I think were very out of place not from the engineering perspective but from... First of all what we're building a business that actually sells things to companies who gladly pay for it Yeah, well that's a little weird. We make money you know that's like wrong You shouldn't be doing that but I can tell sometimes like wow this is so out of place here But it also makes it fun So I think we cannot end the show as American citizens without briefly having touched on HR 1955

29:00 Yeah, go ahead. I know about this go ahead okay the violent radicalization and homegrown terrorism prevention act of 2007 yeah, you know I first saw this I think was somebody presented it on the blog And I looked at it when I first saw it. I think I thought it was a hoax It's not the exact same thing, but it's not this is already passed the House of Representatives. I looked it up It's on the government site as a real thing yeah, I'm looking at right now Okay, so this is a bill that Is and I'm? Actually they have a summary shall. I just read the summary They've done the damn website it should be understandable for all of us shouldn't okay introduced 419 2007

29:43 Homegrown Terrorism Prevention Act 2007 amends the Homeland Security Act of 2002 to add provisions concerning the prevention of homegrown terrorism, in parentheses terrorism by individuals born raised or based and operating primarily in the United States. It directs the Secretary of Homeland Security to 1. Establish a grant program to prevent... Hold on a second to prevent radicalization, which is defined as use of an extremist belief system for facilitating ideologically based violence and homegrown terrorism in the United States. And two, establish or designate a university-based center of excellence for the study of radicalization and homegrown terrorism in the United States. Three, conduct a survey of methodologies implemented by foreign nations... ...to prevent radicalization and homegrown terrorism

30:35 It prevents the Department of Homeland Security's efforts to prevent ideologically based violence and homegrown terrorism from violating the constitutional and civil rights and civil liberties of US citizens, and lawful permanent residents. And actually I think the summary doesn't... they omitted something very important in this summary, I believe. Let me just see if i can look at the full text. Well, I mean, I looked over this thing and one of the things that came out is like they could almost take the law off, you know, this thing has passed and it's not thrown out by a court which bound to happen if somebody goes after early. Yeah but 404 representatives voted in favor of this? Do they read this fucking shit?! This is the Roman Senate, these people are horrible and I'm gonna do a follow-up story after you're done with this with a 409 to 2 vote

31:25 on something just as stupid and dangerous as that thing you're talking about, which is ridiculous. And these guys just rubber stamp everything in this is supposed to be... This is why Congress by the way, if you follow the polls, the president has like this ridiculous low rating historically low under 30 percent approval rating but congress's like around 10% approval rating because these guys who had all these promises especially the Democrats And they did nothing and now they roll over on all these idiotic laws, and the one I'm going to talk about... Before you get there. Before you go on the rant let me just read definition number two, and I just want you to pick that apart because you are a wordsmith. Violent radicalization is determined as

32:14 The process of adopting or promoting an extremist belief system for the purpose of facilitating ideologically based violence to advance political, religious or social change. That cannot go into law! I know it's idiotic... It's crazy But there are some other aspects, apparently almost... I think there's one interpretation where even criticizing the president could wind up in... Yes! You can be deemed a homegrown terrorist. So what we just discussed, what i just discussed about slowing down the consumer engine of United States could most definitely be taken to task by this Can I have your job?

33:05 Of what? Sitting in jail with Bubba? After you get thrown into Gitmo, can I... Yes. Only if you promise to do a show every single day! Okay?! As long as you do the Daily Source Code everyday it's fine It'll be the John... it's Dvorak C...? Oh, DSC... No, it'd be The Daily Source Code with John C. Dvorak is not- I'm not gonna change much Okay, well I appreciate it That's nice That that's very cool Don't forget the Food Bar Fridays Wow, an homage to you once and awhile Yeah on Fridays that's all I ask So we, it'll go like this. Say well you know that's Friday show and of course you know Adam is in Gitmo and no one has heard from him. And I guess they're beating the crap out of him but hey... This is the way it goes. Electrocuting my testicles but otherwise everything's fine!

33:49 So obviously, call to action people. Please write to your congressman... What do we have to do John? You write your congress and what are you supposed to do? When the Congress rolls over like this, if you can write all you want it's not going to help But this can't go into law! This is an outrage We really have to stop this Hopefully the Supreme Court will not put up with it Let's follow-up with another ludicrous I'm gonna read it This is a post on the blog as a matter of fact. It's the SAFE Act, S-A-F-E Act. Oh yes I've read this one... Hold on a second let me... hold on one second John. Hey John can I call you right back? I'm just recording no agenda with the other John Okay I'll call right back man bye. Fernandez our financial dude he still at the office

34:46 of by a margin of 409 to 2 and by the way I'll bet you one of those two is Ron Paul. Yes, absolutely! You are right he is Ron Paul voted against it they passed the SAFE act which stands for securing adolescents from exploitation online act

35:25 You know, this is a great thing to couch things in. Anyway it goes on, while everyone, well most people are against terrorism and child porn this sweeping bill pits the operators of services such as Wi-Fi and social networks against its users and leaves the onus on the operator." And here's a quote from the article that was cited. The US House of Representatives on Wednesday overwhelmingly approved a bill saying that anyone offering an open Wi-Fi connection to the public must report illegal images, including obscene cartoons and drawings or face fines of up to $300,000. The broad definition would cover individuals' coffee shops, libraries, hotels and even some government agencies that provide Wi-Fi. It also

36:09 sweeps in social networking sites, domain name registrars internet service providers and email service providers such as hotmail and gmail. And they require that the complete contents of the user's account be retained for subsequent police inspection." Hello! Isn't that funny? So another one of these... four hundred ninety two it makes no sense and besides that is not possible to do what they demand so i think a lot of the second half possible is not technologically possible in the century everybody would use at the shutdowns on into the whole thing is idiotic is not going to go anywhere because it can't because they can work but nobody's gonna vote against cities more on the kind about kiddie porn and then also had me when it's not as really not about that all i know this is just was labeled yes label s issue

37:00 It's called censorship. And it's very easy to tack on a little bit of... Let's just combine these two. You know what? I think you should, while you're scanning for kiddie porn, I think you should also scan for Someone who is in the process of adopting or promoting an extremist belief system for the purpose of facilitating ideologically based violence to advance political religious and social change. Yeah, I think you should retain his account to make sure he's not doing that! I'm so going to The Slammer John Get Moe man. That's where your headed So uh... We're in trouble

37:42 I don't know. These things shake out in the wash. As long as we keep talking about it and people realize it, because there's some reports here and there but look at the timing, look at when this is coming out... The thing that gets me most, I mean I know these things aren't going to get very far because smart money just gonna sue against them. I mean the courts can put up with this yet But it's the 409 to 2. It's like what is wrong with Congress that they vote for this stuff? Because they're cowed into it by just the name of the act which has got nothing to do with anything I don't believe they even read it, I really don't No, no, I think somebody- They have big staffs Somebody's reading it Oh someone's reading it yeah and someone's reading it going ah shit another kiddie porn thing Yeah you should vote on that one Yeah you don't want to see

38:33 Meanwhile, the two guys with enough guts and balls to vote against it are the only people I have any respect for in Congress. It's BS! Just because you couch it about securing adolescents from online or whatever... Yeah that's great That's fine but thats not what its about at all Its got nothing to do with protecting anybody. It is actually trying to shut down things So this passed in the Senate right? No, that's a Congress thing at 492. I don't know what the Senate side of it is So is this now law? No, as far as I know... It's just an act Yeah so far and then usually the senators are little more you know they're because see the Congress will bring thing in the senate The senator will rewrite it if they change the name of it You know from safe to something else, you know the idiotic acts like censor all things on the internet They'll vote against

39:31 God bless Ron Paul. I hope that guy wins, that would make me so happy. Dude! If he wins...I am SO getting laid in the Lincoln bedroom. I am SOOO getting laid there. You know they've asked me to do an endorsement video for them which of course i'm going to do Sure So yeah and uh it's a...oh well We're doing our best and we'll try and do more of it next week unless you've got anything left John No, I think that's about it. We've got the tea plug in whatever so send us tea and don't send us to jail Get mo get Mo baby Punk coming to you from the curry condo I'm Adam Curry And I'm John C Dvorak in Northern California, and we'll talk to you next week

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