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00:00 You're an automatic chick magnet. Adam Curry, John C. Dvorak. It's Sunday, December 14th, 2014 time for your Gitmo Nation media assassination episode 678. This is no agenda. Celebrating sequential and unique numerical patterns in FEMA Region 6, the capital of the drone star states, Austin, Texas. In the morning, everybody. I'm Adam Curry. And from northern Silicon Valley where everybody's slipping and sliding. I'm John C. Dvorak. You got freeze no, I just thought I'd say that Wow, they really don't report the weather anywhere else do that it's freezing and Frosty Wow, all right

00:50 So we start off with some legislation right off the bat, John, just to get it going, just so everyone can get into the mood. Oh, let me pull up my Greenpeace stuff first. I've got plaster all over the house. Your Greenpeace stuff? Yeah, you know, familiar with the story, I guess. Yeah, I'm very familiar with the story, but I... Well, I've decided to put those signs everywhere. I wanted to... I wanted to read a little piece of legislation while everyone was paying attention to what we're paying attention to. Oh yes, we had the torture report. What else did we have? We had the never-ending torture report. The spending bill. We had a little spending bill that I guess last night they

01:28 They decided, okay, good to go. We'll sign off on that. After a long theater like charade. Well, of course, charade. A charade. There was also another act that passed that didn't get a lot of attention. This is Bill 4681 passed the, I believe this is now passed the House and the Senate. Is it a House Bill 4681? Let me check. Yes, it is. And this is, the short title is the Intelligence Authorization Act for Fiscal Year 2015. Ah, this sounds good already. Yeah. And there is a, you know, there's a couple of things in there, you know, increasing employee compensation, benefits, let's see, software licensing. I got to make sure everyone's paid. But then section 309,

02:23 Which in the final bill this bill in the final version of the bill is actually titled correctly It was mistitled up until this final version. I'm wondering if I have the the mistitle was actually funny That's why I think it escaped a lot of people's attention Let me see if I happen to be able to Find the mistitle it was very cute I can't find it offhand. Doesn't matter. It is now correctly titled procedures for the retention of incidentally acquired communications. Already a winner. It's incidental. This of course you will find marked up in your show notes at 678.noagendanotes.com. The best place to find all the show notes is archive.noagendanotes.com. Section 309 procedures for the retention of incidentally

03:16 Acquired communications. We need some definitions first, John, as you know. This is how legal documents work and as a legal groupie I fawn over this stuff. Definitions in this section. Covered communication. So this is the communication section 309 is going to be talking about. The term covered communication means any non-public telephone or electronic communication acquired without the consent of a person who is a party to the communication, including communications in electronic storage. I think that pretty much covers everything, doesn't it? Sounds pretty good. Sounds pretty comprehensive. Right down to electronic storage. I think that is known as the cloud.

04:01 Then we have another definition, head of an element of the intelligence community. This is the people who are allowed to authorize this. That can be the head of the intelligence community or the head of the department or agency containing such elements. So again, pretty much everybody. Another definition, United States person. Now of course we know what a United States person is. This term is relatable to the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act of 1978. So a United States person is any person, but also any company, any entity that is a legal entity in the United States. And then we have the procedures for the covered communications. Here's where it gets interesting. The application of the procedure shall apply to any intelligence collection activity not otherwise authorized by court order.

04:54 So, when I saw this jumped out at me, this is part of my Tourette's superpowers. These words just, what? So if there's no court order, no warrant for a surveillance or intelligence collection, as they call it here, that would fall under the not otherwise authorized. I guess that would also be like emails between you and I if there was no warrant. Yeah. Then they just happened to stumble on him somehow by accident by looking at him. It's even better than that. Let's see. So, not otherwise authorized by any of these processes that is reasonably anticipated to result in the acquisition of a covered communication to or from a United States person and shall permit the acquisition, acquisition, retention, and dissemination of covered communication subject to the limitation in paragraph B. So, this is for any communication outside of court orders.

05:53 And this permits the acquisition. So going to, for instance, Google and saying, hey, here is the law that has been signed. It hasn't been signed yet, but we're expecting the president to sign this into law. I have it written here. I can acquire and retain and disseminate this communication because it falls under the definitions of covered communications. Give that to me. And the limitation on retention is five years. However, you can do longer than five years, and this is my favorite, retention is necessary to protect against imminent threat to human life, in which case both the nature of the threat and the information to be retained shall be reported to the Congressional Intelligence Committee. It's not later than 30 days after the date such retention is extended under this clause. Now we know what imminent means these days.

06:53 Do you remember? Yeah, it means just about anything. It doesn't mean anything is what it really means. It doesn't... Imminent means it doesn't even have to be a provable threat. It's just if it's assumed... Like the 16-year-old kid, American citizen, gunned down by a drone in a public cafe. Imminent threat. You never know what he was doing. Yeah, he could have been... Imminent threat. Who knows what. And so they can do all this and then don't even have to report on it until 30 days after the fact. And that's section 309 everybody. So what do you think is new about this that makes it so important? It legitimizes... Wow, okay.

07:32 It legitimizes acquisition and retention of communications between United States persons. United States persons. It's a cover your ass law because they're doing this anyway. Well, okay. You can see it as such. Yes. But this is exactly the piece that has always been debated. We don't collect anything if there's a US person involved and if it's US persons, if there's no foreign actor. Well, they never said that. They usually say on purpose. Well, now it has this is for anything, for any communication not otherwise authorized. So then now the end can be United States personally does not have to have a foreigner involved in the covered communication. So I think it is new. Ten bucks just doesn't pass.

08:21 Well, it's passed. All it has to do now is be signed by the president. He's going to line item veto this or something? This is passed. You see, they're not going to sign it. I don't know if the Senate's looked at it. Yes. No, I'm pretty sure. Hold on a second. Let me take a look. Yeah, I am pretty sure that this is passed both houses. I don't think so. Okay, I could be wrong. What is this password? What is this bull crap? Want to look at a password or stickers let me see what I'm I thought it passed both houses John's Looking here. I'm looking mm-hmm HR 4681 no no no gov track yeah exactly four six eight one. What do we have?

09:04 I'm going in there as well. Barbara Lee voted no. Wow, must have been no money in it for her. Yes, passed House, passed Senate. They're resolving differences, which I think is the one I just read to you. Prognosis on the GovTrack is 31% chance of being enacted. Well, it has passed both houses, so that gives it a good chance regardless. Our representatives pass this they don't care. They don't care about the public yeah We even knew this was going on as she was came. This is Mike Rogers. Yes. I know it's his bill isn't that great? One more before I become a DJ this guy's living in a dream world he can probably go on there Hey, everybody's Mike Rogers here on the premier radio networks. Yes. I am the author of HR 4681 screw you bubba loo

10:07 Okay, the last day okay, but yeah this thing doesn't keep up with things. There's been going on most of the year mm-hmm I had what this was in committee I guess a lot which makes sense and the committees of course would be Was in committee on May in May and it's getting kicked out, and it was in Senate committee in July so it's taking forever Yeah, but here it is all right. I just thought it was just just a warm. It's a cover your ass bill It's just he said which is the same thing with the I do have a couple of last minute annoyances about the stupid spy gate. Should I call it that? Oh, I call it the rectal rehydration gate. Rectal rehydration? No, the rehydration was only one. It's the feeding that was the one where they stuck the hummus up the guy. Rectal feeding. Oh, you guys like hummus? Oh, you Arab, you like hummus?

11:00 Can I play one clip before you get into it? This is Hayden on Jake Tapper. Let's first of all, let's differentiate if we can for the sake of this conversation between the abuses, the things that were not... The unauthorized... The unauthorized, such as the rectal rehydration. No, stop. That was a medical procedure. That was done because of detainee health. This gets so good. This is so good. Wait till you hear what Tapper says. Always a winner. Medical procedure. The people responsible there for the health of these detainees saw that they were becoming dehydrated. They had limited options in which to go do this.

11:38 It was intravenous with needles, which would be dangerous with a non-cooperative detainee. It was through the nasal passage. It was during hummus and pine nuts and... Jake, I'm not a doctor and neither are you, but what I am told is this is... I'm not a doctor, David! Wait, wait, wait. ...is one of the ways that the body is rehydrated. These were medical procedures. And to give you a sense... Are you really defending rectal rehydration? What I'm defending is history. It's not rectal rehydration, it's history! I thought that was the best exchanges I've ever seen on television. Yeah, that's actually borderline clip of the day. Well, you don't have to give it to me if you don't feel like it. I'm not. Okay. I thought that was just great. Hummus and pine nuts.

12:21 You're dehydrated son. You need some hummus and pine nuts. I'm not a doctor and neither are you. I'm not a doctor Jim. You gotta pull that little segment out. Was it I'm not a doctor and neither are you? Is that what I think it was? Play that part again. That's good but I already cleaned it up. Hold on a second let me get it back. It's okay it'll just take a moment. Let's first of all let's differentiate. Come here. I'm becoming a Jake Tapper.

13:00 that the people responsible... You don't look so good, son. ...there for the health of these... You like hummus, you A-Rab? ...detainees saw that they were becoming dehydrated. They had limited options in which to go do this. See, we can isolate it. It was intravenous with needles, which would be dangerous with a non-cooperative detainee. It was through the nasal passage... It was durain, hummus, and pine nuts, and... Jake, I'm not a doctor and neither are you, but what I can tell you is... That's it. Jake, I'm not a doctor and neither are you. It sounds like the old Star Trek show. It does. I'm a doctor, Jim. I'll see if I can spice them together. There is one floating around the internet where he, where he, he goes, McCoy goes, uh, the whole of them. He apparently throughout the seasons, he would say, I'm not a this, I'm an engineer. I'm not a doctor, not a psychiatrist or something. And neither are you.

13:57 Dude, are you? Yeah. Well, so I'm watching the I tried watching the tail end of this and I finally got fed up and I decided to pull my clip which I left out of the last show because I had to go find it and then I had to cut it and I had to produce it because it was a it was and I can tell that you were irritated. You know how I can tell? No. All caps. I can see if I look at the timeline home and look so I had the clips in alphabetical order But if I if I look at them in by creation date, let me see them. No, hold on a second. This is good I said, I don't know if I should keep going these all caps. He's gonna call me out on it. I Just won a dollar bet With yourself. Yes

14:40 Okay, which one is it all right? I got actually I got a four shorties because shields and Brooks I figured at least met one of these two guys weren't gonna be apologists for and now these are the chill is this what is this on? News our there's a commentators that come on mark shield some bees are liberal does either one of them have a bowtie No, but shields should okay all right And actually, both of them should. They'd both have bow ties, it would make sense. And then Brooks, the columnist for the New York Times. And then I was so disappointed that neither one of them, again, both on the same side of the debate. Oh, and the thing that keeps cropping up, even though I don't know if these clips contain it, I know the next one does.

15:20 is all they knew there and I got sick of it because Rodriguez and all these oh they were brief 65 times. The Senate knew the Senate knew what was going on. They knew what was going on they knew what was going on they keep a harping on this so this got on my nerves so place Shields and Brooks one for starters to show where they're coming from. Drones killing is probably worse than torture those moral calculus does not be legalized except for in extreme cases in my view. Just very quickly to both of you the CIA comes out of this how? The CIA comes out of it, I think damaged and wounded. I think that's what John Brennan is trying to do. What? What? He's trying to damage him and wound him? That's what he said. Yeah. I wonder if that's just the Freudian slip or... It's a Freudian slip. Oh, okay. Okay, slip damage. You would say, I'm not so sure about that.

16:08 So let's try I Would it were me you would count that you I would do the same thing. Yes, I would yeah shields and Brooks to this This started this is where I started to get annoyed the grading of the human beings who do that every day and do it Well, it wasn't just a CIA. It was the whole country. I mean, there was a lot of people Hey, hey, hey Dvorak. Were you rectally hydrating with hummus political chain? A lot of people in Congress a lot of people in the public And so we're trying to rediscover our moral center. Oh, yes, trying to rediscover a moral center It's just the public that did this. Yes. It was all your fault. All right, so then I go I said, oh, that's hopeless These guys are sold out. Yeah, just blaming the public and all the rest of it And so then I decide well, that's Al Jazeera definitely is not going to be like this, but was I wrong? Yes, it's Woolsey

16:54 The excellent of the ex-CIA guys standing up for his buddies the threesome that were in charge during this period. Who was Woolsey again? Woolsey was a CIA director. He was a director. He was one that came later, I believe. He was short. I don't think he was in very long, was he? He was a short-timer. Took one look and got out. Report from Woolsey. Woolsey on report. Final question for you. One of the big parts of this report was accusing the CIA of misleading Congress and civilians. The CIA by nature, it's clandestine, has clandestine operations. It needs to hide things that are going on. But does it need to hide things from Congress and from the American public?

17:35 I take at their word the three former directors who signed the letter to the Wall Street Journal today, along with some of their other senior colleagues, that they had fully informed the Congress. And I think that it would be ridiculous of them not to inform the Congress of some major step like this. I could not conceive of their not having done so. But only the people who spoke and the people who were spoken to know. Again, it is really extraordinary that the people who put this democratic

18:16 majority report together for the Congress did not talk to a single person inside the government in the CIA or anywhere else who was involved in pulling this program together. They decided to edit things the way they wanted so it would say what they wanted it to say and that He's extraordinarily deceptive as far as I'm concerned. Well, that seems like that's what happened to me, too. That seems... Yeah, makes sense. You know the reason why people don't care about these kinds of reports? Because they don't give a shit. No, it's not produced properly. If you want to get people's attention, here's how the report should sound. Final question for you. Oh, Slay Bill Sanna, what? Accusing the CIA of misleading... That's how you get people's attention.

18:59 Meanwhile, of course, to him and everybody else that's throwing the committee under the bus, that's throwing, Feinstein got, who established long-term supporter of the CIA thrown under the bus, all the rest of them. And but meanwhile, I keep hearing this nonsense about, oh, they were fully informed. They knew what was going on. They knew this. They knew that. We already had the, the, staff guy from a powerful column pals uh... right of the first team is that saying they've got that tenet george tennis is the liar but okay let's just ignore that so let's let's listen to the the uh... The Senate committee's vice chair, Jay Rockefeller, this is clipped down a little bit because he went on for an hour. But here is an example of how well informed they were. Now, do you want the summary or the... Yes, summary, the summary one. Sorry, that was... Very hard fight to get to this point.

19:54 Especially in the early years of the CIA's detention program, it was a struggle for the committee to get the most basic information or any information at all about the program. One of the profound ways that the breakdown happened was through the active subversion of meaningful congressional oversight. They further refused to notify the full committee about the program's existence. You remember, there was always the gang of four, the gang of six, or the gang of eight. They'd take the chairman and vice chairman, take them down to the White House, give them a flip chart, 45 minutes with the vice president, and off we'd go.

20:32 Senator Roberts and I went down like... I can just see this flip chart. Then here's your pine nuts, and here's your hummus, and here's your rectum. The flip chart showed nothing. And here's your tube. ...and we're instructed we couldn't talk to each other on the way back from one of those meetings. It was absurd. They further refused to notify the full committee about the program's existence. You remember, there was always the gang of four, the gang of six, or the gang of eight. They'd take the chairman and vice chairman, take them down to the White House, give them a flip chart. Didn't he just say that? That double up or something? I must have screwed up. That's okay. Play it out. 45 minutes with the vice president, off we go. Senator Roberts and I went down by car and were instructed we couldn't talk to each other on the way back from one of those meetings. It was absurd.

21:17 search. Which of course we didn't do. Question, question. It seems now that it's very hard for anyone to really get to a central focus of this. We have one is what is torture, what is not torture? Two, who authorized, who did not authorize? Three, who Who lied to whom? Was it effective? And is this our the moral compass? I think there's too many things. No one can focus on one thing, except the media now is saying, Hey, turns out CIA, they had shills giving us false information. Wow. When, when the Pentagon calls and says, we have a guy we'd like you to put on as an expert, didn't that ring a bell anywhere? Is that, is this really what the media is now claiming? Yeah. Yes. It's astonishing. Can't believe it. But the thing that I keep coming back to John,

22:15 This is now where the NSA was a year ago. Here's where the CIA is. And I have people who disagree with me about this NSA-CIA fight, but it seems so obvious. This is counter-strike. It makes sense that it is. So let's play the rest of that and then we'll... Well, this ended. I have a Rockefeller testimony clip. I'm sorry, it's just... There was a piece of it that it should be... Well, he does... We don't have to go any further, but you get the idea. The committee was not informed. They obfuscated. They wouldn't let people talk to each other in the full committee. It was never informed. So these guys didn't know anything. And they couldn't get any information. He goes on to discuss it. They asked for this, they asked for that.

23:02 It's annoying that this is the wrong clip. Well, do you want to listen to the testimony clip? Maybe it's in there. Very hard fight to get to this point, especially in the early years of the CIA's detention program. It was a struggle for the committee to get the most basic information or any information at all about the program. The committee's study of the detention program is not just the story of the brutal and ill-conceived program itself. The study is also the story of the breakdown in our system, Madam President, of governance that allowed a country to deviate in such a significant and horrific way from our core principles.

23:53 One of the profound ways that the breakdown happened was through the active subversion of meaningful congressional oversight. A theme mirrored in the Bush administration's warrantless wiretapping program during that period. I first learned about some aspects of the CIA's attention interrogation program in 2003. When I became vice chair of the committee at that point and for years after, the CIA refused to provide me or anybody else with any additional information about the program. They further refused to notify the full committee about the program's existence. You remember there was always the gang of four, the gang of six, or the gang of eight. They'd take the chairman and vice chairman, take them down to the White House, give them a flip chart, 45 minutes with the vice president, and off we'd go.

24:45 Senator Roberts and I went down by car and were instructed we couldn't talk to each other on the way back from one of those meetings. It was absurd. They refused to do anything to be of assistance. The briefings I received received little or no insight into the CIA's program. Questions or follow-up requests were rejected and at times I was not allowed to consult with my counsel. All right, that's good enough. It goes on and on. Indicating of course that if the media listened to his testimony, they would maybe be a little more...

25:22 uh, less lean as well. They were informed. They, we knew, they knew everything. We briefed them hundreds of times. It's not like he didn't actually say this in public that it was on C-SPAN or anything. Like you could, you know, kind of hear him say that or read even a transcript of what he said. Right. Yeah. Well, oh, okay. So you're surprised is what you're saying. I'm stunned. Don, Uncle Don, now known to the uncle formerly known as Uncle Don. wrote a... he sent me an email. Do you think I should write a letter to the editor of the New York Times? And I think I probably fucked up. What did you do? Well, I said, yeah, but... No! You should have said no! That's what I said. I said, no, I don't think it'll make any difference. I think the New York Times is all in on everything. Yeah, they're not gonna write his letter. Well, they did. Oh, no! They did. What did he say?

24:45 Senator Roberts and I went down by car and were instructed we couldn't talk to each other on the way back from one of those meetings. It was absurd. They refused to do anything to be of assistance. The briefings I received received little or no insight into the CIA's program. Questions or follow-up requests were rejected and at times I was not allowed to consult with my counsel. All right, that's good enough. It goes on and on. Indicating of course that if the media listened to his testimony, they would maybe be a little more...

25:22 uh, less lean as well. They were informed. They, we knew, they knew everything. We briefed them hundreds of times. It's not like he didn't actually say this in public that it was on C-SPAN or anything. Like you could, you know, kind of hear him say that or read even a transcript of what he said. Right. Yeah. Well, oh, okay. So you're surprised is what you're saying. I'm stunned. Don, Uncle Don, now known to the uncle formerly known as Uncle Don. wrote a... he sent me an email. Do you think I should write a letter to the editor of the New York Times? And I think I probably fucked up. What did you do? Well, I said, yeah, but... No! You should have said no! That's what I said. I said, no, I don't think it'll make any difference. I think the New York Times is all in on everything. Yeah, they're not gonna write his letter. Well, they did. Oh, no! They did. What did he say?

26:13 Would you like me to read it to you? It's not that long. You're gonna tease me, keep teasing me all day the whole show. To the editor regarding CIA director rebuts report calling interrogators patriots. Front page December 12th. As someone who spent 31 years as a Central Intelligence Agency Operations Officer, 1951 to 1982, I speak in support of what John O. Brennan, the CIA Director, tried to do on Thursday. He reminded us that the CIA works for the... notice he's saying the CIA... works for the executive branch of the government and that the agency had been ordered by President George W. Bush to become both jailkeeper and interrogator of suspected terrorists, things it had never done before.

26:50 In addition, the Bush administration's Attorney General, Albert R. Gonzalez, aided by the Justice Department lawyer John C. Hugh, constructed a legal framework, that's my favorite word, allowing quote enhanced interrogation techniques to be applied to selected prisoners and asserting that these techniques including waterboarding did not amount to torture. Mr. Brennan's remarks raised the question of why the CIA was ordered to do these things in the first place. So you hear where he's going, right? During my career, including service in wartime Vietnam, the agency worked against torture and I personally saw repeated evidence that humane interrogation produced far better results than torture, which sowed only confusion, shattered lives, and bitter feelings. I will say when I read this paragraph,

27:34 If he's telling me that he personally saw repeated evidence that humane interrogation produced far better results than torture, that means he must have witnessed the results of torture. You could infer that. The painful answer to the question of why is that President Bush and Vice President Dick Cheney, having failed to prevent 9-11 in the first place, lost faith in America's ability to deal traditionally with the crisis that occurred on their watch and ordered actions to be taken that are alien to the basic nature of our country. The question must be asked, why did we lose faith in ourselves and what can be done to prevent that from happening again?

28:12 Donald P. Gregg, writer's former United States ambassador to South Korea. And I told him, don't write it. First of all, who reads the letters to the editor? Other letter writers. Yeah. And the editor, presumably. Presumably. Maybe. But it is true that... Well, it got approved by the agency to go into the New York Times. There you go. So if nothing else, he did get the CIA guys currently operating it. So he's doing two things. He's saying he's got his attention and maybe he can push a little bit for that North Korea thing. Well, he's saying two things. One is Bush W. We hated and hates and Cheney.

28:57 I don't think highly of him either. I haven't done that. No, he does not think highly of him. But the question he asked, I think there is, this is, although we can give him the answer, why did we lose faith in ourselves and what can be done to prevent that from happening? We don't care. We watch movies where we're the badass. We got football games with military halftime and starts and flyovers, flybys. And we are a sadistic militaristic Jabronis! And what can be done about it? I don't think it can be turned back.

29:34 But anyway, so I told him don't do it and then he did it and I have a feeling that he's... John Maass Well, I'm glad that he takes your advice. There's the podcaster's influence on policy, everybody. John Maass Anyway, my point is that I'm sick of these guys with this...and I'm so disappointed in Al Jazeera. I mean, I thought they...and they were all in on attacking Feinstein in the report and they had Woolsey on. I don't know whether they dug him up, but they did. And he was... Adam Baum What do you expect Al Jazeera to be doing? Well, I thought they do. I mean, they do promote themselves as a little more newsy than the regular outlets. Oh, please. Okay. Okay. The only one that seems to be actually... Newsy. That's it. Hey, that's actually a great way to do it. Al Jazeera, we're more newsy. They are, or they were. Or at least, well, anyway, I've dropped down on my estimation.

30:28 Meanwhile, if you go to some of these, here play this one. Did you know this? I mean, there's all these different numbers flying around, but play, this is an analyst and of course this guy shows up on RT and they're not playing the game because they're a bunch of prop, that is for Russia. They're newsy. Well, they're actually not very newsy at all. They're propy. But they have, This little guy comes on, I think he's Irish or something, he's got a very strange accent because he can't pronounce certain things. But he comes on, he's an analyst for a human rights guy, he plays 60 countries. 60 countries, okie dokie, you don't know who he is? I like to look these people up.

31:12 We knew already, you know, that we have done a global study together for the United Nations in 2010. And we have days of making them talk. On secret detention in the fight against terrorism. And we identified 66 states around the world that have been using secret detention, and that means usually also torture, in the fight against terrorism. And of course, many of those states were closely related and cooperated with the United States of America. Yes, you must understand that we are truly, we have control of everybody in two times 33 countries.

31:50 It sounds like it's Austrian. 66. So it's like, why even bother covering? Can you name 66 countries? I probably, yeah. It would take a while if you want me to do it. It's okay. It's okay. I'm just, I'm just surprised. I'm pretty sure I can come up with 66. Well, you mean, just tying into this, unless you have some other big reveal you want to do. No, I'm done. I've had it. The president every year has to inform Congress, the entire Congress, I guess he, maybe it is just the House of Representatives, about, you know, the War Powers Resolution, how he's using the war powers, which again is a resolution. Hey, remember you said, go ahead and you can all do, you know, you can do some stuff a little bit, your authorized use of military force. So he has to do this report.

32:42 a six-month consolidated war powers resolution report. Man, we are in some great places. You want a little overview of what we're doing here? Yeah, I'd love to know where we are. This is good. Okay, Afghanistan, we currently have, I'm summarizing obviously, we have 15,000 people stationed. The drawdown should take us to about 9,000 At the end of 2015. Oh, can I interrupt you? Yeah, sure Did you notice you know we talked about on the last or the show before? About how now Afghanistan is like producing 95% of the world's heroin and 100 I thought it was over like 120% increase and they're doing everything it's way up. Yeah. Yeah

33:21 You think that's coincidental with what we observed earlier about the one guy they swapped Bergdahl for? Oh, yeah. He was the runner. He's a... The superstar? Yeah. The Taliban poppy superstar. Yeah. He's a superstar. They bring him in, they bring him in. Boom, sales are up. We should just call him a pop star. Pop star. Yeah. So approximately 15,000 US forces in Afghanistan. We are on track to draw down to a force management level. I'm not quite sure what that means. 9,800 by early 2015. But this may, you know, over, it may fluctuate, overlap because we're rotating in or out and fine, okay. We have a memorandum of understanding with the government to stay in there, hang out and we'll be there for a while. Iraq and Syria.

34:08 3,100 personnel and these of course are only providing training, communication support, intelligence support. The training means that you have a gun, you're standing next to the guy and you're saying, watch how I do this. That's about right. Somalia, let's see, a small contingent. Squeeze, don't pull. Squeeze, don't pull. Hold your breath. So we have some special operations forces who work to counter the terrorist threat posed by Al-Qaeda. Oh, that'll be al-Shabaab, of course. Yemen, he's not giving numbers at this point. He's only just saying, yeah, we got, we've been working closely with the government of Yemen to operationally dismantle and ultimately eliminate the terrorist threat posed by Al-Qaeda in the Arabian Peninsula.

35:00 I love how that Al-Qaeda group is just, you know, so decimated. Cuba, of course that would be Guantanamo Bay, where we still have 142 detainees. That was going to be closed, Gitmo thing. Niger. We have Niger, where we continue to provide support for intelligence collection and facilitate intelligence sharing with French forces conducting operations. We have in Chad, is that how you pronounce it? Chad? Chad? Chad. You say Chad really? Doesn't sound right. What did I say? Intelligence, surveillance, reconnaissance operations. Oh, of course, the Lord's Resistance Army. You'll recall that the Kony 2012, the video that went so bogota viral, everybody was talking about it. We've got Ospreys in there. We have 300 guys. We can't catch that guy Kony. 300, because it's not about Kony. But okay, yes, it's all about the LRA affected areas.

35:58 So we have two Ospreys, we've got 300 troops in there who of course are only working to partner with the Ugandan forces. Egypt, 700 military personnel, but I think they're pretty much just to receive the sales shipments. It's just a sales office, I think, in Egypt. Hey, we got the new stuff in you guys, order. Jordan. 1700 US military personnel. They will remain in Jordan in full coordination with the government of Jordan until the security situation becomes such they are no longer needed. Well, that would be pretty much never. Kosovo. We are still in Kosovo. Since 19... Wow, when did that end? The Kosovo theater? I'm not sure. We have four, almost 5,000 people there. Wow. Cool. For KFOR.

36:51 The Kosovo... We got interests that gotta be protected. And then let's see we have Yemen, he's gonna send more people to Yemen. We have Libya of course, we've got to have more security in Libya. Central Africa, well as I noted, embassy personnel, US forces supporting their security were relocated outside Libya to support the safe departure of the embassy staff. So is for extraction purposes. And also we need, oh, that'll be a overland through Tunisia. So we have US military aircraft and additional military personnel and those forces will eventually leave. But I don't see that happening very soon. It feels like it's not everything. There's no mention of Japan or I think we still have the base in Germany.

37:40 Oh, yeah. No, we got time. We have a lot of people in Germany. Why did...I guess that doesn't have to be in the report. This is only based upon the authorized use of military force. This is not the historical stuff that we had laying around. Right. This has to be...I guess this report only referred to since that authorization for military force went through. This is the result. Germany is not the result of this. It's been there. Right. Yeah. As some say, the war would never officially ended. That's the thing that's been going around for a while. There was no war the Second World War there was no actual Document that said okay, it's all over. Yeah, there was I'm just telling what's going around If you search around you'll see that there's some theory about this if you search around you'll see that the aliens won the war And how only the reptilians obviously on the Queen She's actually the ruler of the world yeah, oh, yeah

38:43 Oh man, well today is an interesting date and we knew, well actually yesterday was an interesting date 12, 13, 14. This is not only does this happen once in a century that is of course by the American date depiction system if you are in other parts of the world it would be 13, 12, 14 doesn't quite work But it's also the date... And there's no 13, 14, 15 coming up because you don't have... it's just no good. It also is compiled of only the numbers 1, 2, 3, and 4, which apparently also is some other... which... It's a special date, and we decided to make use of this, and it kind of worked. Well, we got four takers. Well, then let me thank you for your courage and say in the morning to you, John C. Dvorak!

39:43 Well in the morning to you Adam Curry, in the morning to all ships that see boots on the ground, feet in the air, subs in the water and all the dames and knights out there. I wonder if any subs in the water are listening anymore. Well not when they're in the water unless they've got the periscope. Download and submerge. In the morning to all of our human resources there in the chat room listening on the stream, noagendastream.com is where you want to be. Thank you to our artists. We had the fake Sal Lizard, fake Sal Lizard who came in with the artwork for 677 and comic strip blogger gets credit for the newsletter he was on that that maybe took down earlier that oh cool yes yeah mm-hmm and this I have decided to start thanking them because I've been using that's a good idea to art and that's a good idea which one did he put in the news did you have of his in the newsletter just a generic one oh cool and yet this is the one on 677 was a oh yeah Hayden as a

40:42 With the the warm bugs bugs bunny. Yeah, yeah, we're talking about it We tortured some which of course I think I get to play the I get to play the clip then just so we have that And that's the story now what was the deal with this special one two one three one four? Before I explain that, I want to say something about Hayden. I don't know, I remember he was with Rodriguez about a year ago. He clipped us. He was at some meeting and the two of them were defending all this with their, with the, oh it works, you know, it's great, we got good intelligence, got Bin Laden, all the rest.

41:26 And I saw him and watched him talk, and I saw him on a couple other things about a year ago. Then I saw him like right yesterday kind of thing. He was on some show and he was there. He doesn't look...he looks unhealthy. His face has gotten really fat. And he's got all these ticks and all this twitching. He must be a wreck. He must really be worried. Why do you think they sent him out? Why is he the punching bag for all this? Why is he the defender? I think he was at the peak of it. I think when they did the feeding, the hummus up the butt stuff, that was all his doing. I mean, Tennant seems to... Let me stop you right there. That was a medical procedure, John. Tennant was... Hey, baby, I got a medical... You're not a doctor? I'm not a doctor. I got a medical procedure for you. I've got an injection.

40:42 With the the warm bugs bugs bunny. Yeah, yeah, we're talking about it We tortured some which of course I think I get to play the I get to play the clip then just so we have that And that's the story now what was the deal with this special one two one three one four? Before I explain that, I want to say something about Hayden. I don't know, I remember he was with Rodriguez about a year ago. He clipped us. He was at some meeting and the two of them were defending all this with their, with the, oh it works, you know, it's great, we got good intelligence, got Bin Laden, all the rest.

41:26 And I saw him and watched him talk, and I saw him on a couple other things about a year ago. Then I saw him like right yesterday kind of thing. He was on some show and he was there. He doesn't look...he looks unhealthy. His face has gotten really fat. And he's got all these ticks and all this twitching. He must be a wreck. He must really be worried. Why do you think they sent him out? Why is he the punching bag for all this? Why is he the defender? I think he was at the peak of it. I think when they did the feeding, the hummus up the butt stuff, that was all his doing. I mean, Tennant seems to... Let me stop you right there. That was a medical procedure, John. Tennant was... Hey, baby, I got a medical... You're not a doctor? I'm not a doctor. I got a medical procedure for you. I've got an injection.

42:13 You're gonna like it. Just a tip. Tenet set it up and he was just a liar. And then I think it was the short-termer that came in after that, and then Hayden. I think he was the third in the group. And I think it was his responsibility to clean up the mess. Well, of course, the crazy thing is he was also NSA. He was NSA and CIA. So it's possible... Yeah, he was like a career spy. ...that you have the NSA saying, you better not say this, or you better say that, and the CIA going, you better not say that. Maybe that's he's just torn, being ripped to shreds by two competing camps. That's a possibility.

42:50 I don't know what it is. Whatever the case is, he doesn't look like he feels...it looks like something's up with him. Maybe he's worried they got a gun pointed at his head. I don't know. Maybe he had tickets for a nice European holiday and he's thinking, you know, that's such a good idea. I would think twice about those European holidays. Can you imagine? not being being worried about traveling outside the US for fear of being arrested and by the International Criminal Court. Can you imagine being George Bush and not giving a damn? Oh yeah, easy. That's easy. I don't know. Screw it. I don't like traveling anywhere. What's wrong with just like my mother? I like that. Why are you going overseas? There's good things to see here. Go to the Alamo. I've been to the Alamo. I've been to the Alamo.

43:40 I like yellow. I hear corpus is lovely this time of year. The Alamo is actually worth checking out. And they have a... And what's interesting about the Alamo to me is it's so small. You know Phil Collins has an entire collection of Alamo memorabilia on display at the Alamo? What? Oh, at the Alamo? Yeah, yeah. He donated all these. I don't know if it's on loan or permanent loan. He has an entire Alamo collection. Phil Collins. Phil Collins? Yeah. I know, strange. All right, and more useless trivia right here on your no agenda show with traffic and weather on the eights talked about is that the we have four people that came up with the one two one three one four donation and right so they will be at the they will be named it would be the first one that came in as far as I can tell and that's what we're gonna put right away and then the other ones will follow was Sir David Foley be sir David Foley presents name of this name of the show and

44:40 And that so we have four people that will get that that special credit. But wouldn't it be his son just looking at the at the donation? I think he made his son London. It's a nice honor. He gave donation in. Let me look at it. Yeah. Well, let's thank everybody first. Then we'll decide. Does this go for the next X amount of episodes? We do this every day for episodes. Oh, great. Love it. Sir Don Tommaso di Toronto came in from Kettleby, Ontario Canada 141213. Kind of a backass version of what we're trying to do here. Here's a John's Date challenge but in proper ANSI format. Yeah! What are you gonna do? And with this he becomes a Duke. Yeah, he's a Duke. I'm way past Dukedom, maybe I should get a ring. He doesn't have a ring?

45:32 Karma for you. Sir Don, no agenda nation slash rings. I am. I'm not sure what's going on with that. Well, he did probably didn't go in and fill out the form. No, I think he did, but I'm not sure. I'm not. I don't know. I really, really don't know. Whatever the case. But it's also possible that the Canadian Postal Service keeps stealing them. This does. He needs karma. That's what he wants. For the donors. You've got karma. Very nice. Meanwhile, Sir Thomas Nussbaum Hey, who's up there in rankings? 1, 2, 1, 3, 1, 4, Virginia Beach, Virginia. Finally some donors in Virginia. Happy holidays to the whole NOAA agenda. Entourage hugs and kisses to Adam and Mickey, John and Mimi from Baron Nussbaum, St. Nicole and Dame Sid. Sequential numbers do not come along often, if ever at all.

46:32 Let me read that right. Sequential numbers do not come along often, if ever at all, to those thinking it's 13, 12, 14, which would be the European thing. Fuck off, you're wrong. That was a quote. Yeah, exactly. I want to... hugs and kisses, but let's hand the karma back to him and Saint Nicole. I think that would be appropriate. You've got karma great now who was okay? You already told me next we have a reish Meister a one two one three one four which is I'd like my name and location with hell, okay? He's he should be known as sir reish Meister of divide by zero I've been a lister since June I've made no agenda major part of my life and to keep listening without making any contribution I feel very bad about it

47:25 I'll admit when I started listening to your show, I was completely lost. The two of you kept talking about people I've never heard of. Flippity-clop. Don't worry, you'll know about her soon enough. It's all coming back again. Marie Harve this, Jen Saki that, a guy named Haiku, not Japanese, and what's a noodleman? This, of course, being the result of the mainstream media keeping me ignorant. Exactly. Bingo. I want to thank the two of you for providing news analysis that's not found in the mainstream media. You both worked very hard in providing us this information, which is why I feel bad if I continued listening without making a contribution. I think that I have to say getting my news from Adam Curry is a bit surreal. When I was a kid, I used to watch Adam on MTV and he was my favorite VJ.

48:19 He was my favorite VJ. Media personalities come and go, but having Adam in my life by being a no agenda listener is as if I'm bringing back a part of my childhood I thought was gone. I don't know how to explain it, but it's pretty cool. I could use some job karma. I haven't had a stable career since September 2008. I'd like to get some job security starting in the new year. By the way, I'm Indian. Am I the first Indian to be knighted? Well, I don't think it counts if you're living in California. You have to be in or something in India India. Yeah, I know you're less Indian than You're not that you just don't talking about No

49:01 We're talking about the 700 million in a democracy, I guess maybe a billion by now, half of which probably speak good English or good enough English to listen to the show, and probably a third of them do listen to the show. They never donate, they never contribute except one guy ever. You don't think he means Native American, do you? You think it really means Indian, Indian Indian, that's from India. I don't know if what Indian he means. Native Americans usually don't call themselves Indians. I don't think so. Well, except Pocahontas. Well, Pocahontas does. There's another name people go, who is Pocahontas? Pocahontas, what are they talking about? We will be knighting you, Sir Risha Meister of Divide by Zero later during the ceremony and very much looking forward to that. Jobs, jobs, jobs and jobs. Let's vote for jobs. You've got karma.

49:54 Our Grand Duke All right, ITM gentlemen, enclosed please find an instant night special donation. I would like to apply this. This is a Grand Duke Sir David Foley. I would like to apply this for my son London's knighthood to ensure that the generation carry on propagating the formula. Please have some root beer and pepperoni pizza at the round table. All righty then, if we must.

50:32 I got that. Well, this is cool. But I think he needs karma. We think we should definitely do that. Does he need karma? Well, he's a kid. All kids today need karma. Yeah, but for reasons. Yeah. Special reasons, if you know what I mean. Yeah, I hear you. Six. You've got karma. Nice. All right. Now we had that was our group and we have to say that was our group of super producers. And I from what I can tell, I don't know. I never thought of asking Foley. Maybe I can send him a note and see what he... What's the question? The question is, is Sir David Foley presents this show? Oh, no, no. It's Sir... No, I don't think so. It's Sir London Foley presents this show. Okay. We'll do that if he wants it. We can change it. We'll always change it if it's not possible. Well, no.

51:30 Pain in the ass, but it's not impossible. No well. I know but for Foley we go to the way you want a testicle here you go Foley Okay, let's see if big Lin actually sent something in Big Lin hmm do I need to check yes, just in case okay? Let me see Donation note for show 678 there you go. I got it too. Oh Gentlemen, thank you for your courage. John, please editorialize my note for the show as you see fit. Okay, then I can read it as...well, it's not that long. But Henry Biglin from Kew Gardens, New York, $678.90. Note for the show, please accept my 678. So he's a 678 club member. Donation of the best cast in the universe for 678.90 as a contribution to my previous donation of 1, 2, 3, 4, 5. This is my share of the NYC Police Civil Rights Violation Settlement Tax that I think can be better spent.

52:24 Yeah. Holding on my end of the value for value model during the holiday season, this donation should bring me to Viscount. Oh, all right. Let me just make sure I have that reflected in the accounting link below. I would claim Queens, New York for my expanded lands with all its rights and privileges. Thank you for your excellent deconstructions of all the news with a sense of humor that keeps me sane. Now he wanted what? He want Queens? Queens. Queens and all its what? I would claim Queens, New York for my expanded lands with all its rights and privileges. I just like saying that. I shall give you Queens, New York with all its rights, lands, and privileges. Nice. All right. The jingle. Can I have a JCD dealer's choice followed by, and her head is gone, which is what I would have picked, karma. So let me think. What would be a good one that we haven't done for a while?

53:24 How about the, you know what we haven't heard for a long time is the little, is the theme, the musical theme, Clippity Clop. Clippity Clop? Yeah, Clippity Clop. Yeah, no, I, oh, did you hear that? No, what? I did a yeah, no. Oh, I didn't hear. I really am sorry, because I should be getting all those. All right, Clippity-Clop, and then her head is gone in that order with the Karma to... the Karma Chaser? Yeah. It's Clippity-Clop. The message is clear. Just Clippity-Clop. And her head is gone. You've got Karma. That worked out. They worked nicely together. I like that. All right, onward. As I click around.

54:09 So, a Sir Otaku in Louisville, Texas, 67890. Holy cow! A second member of the 678 Club. And a special 6789 sequential number bonanza. Yeah, 67890. Who knew? I never even thought of this. We should have put that, suggested it to people. Two guys picked it out of the smart two knights. Obviously. Decided, look at this. Uh-oh, Otaku's drunk. Perfect. Yes, I'm drunk. Otherwise, I wouldn't donate so much. But you guys deserve every penny. You're always on the money about the media and how it's screwing us over with its misdirection. I think you deserve more. But I'm a mere slave and can only give up so much before I have to give blood to get you some more pennies. I would ask you to give me a birthday shout-out on December 31st, but you will forget

55:03 So far down the road. So give me a birthday love now, put him on the list. Okay. Birthday love now and I will hold onto it till I get another year older. Also, don't forget coming up at the end of January, we will be in the first annual NOAgenda show QSOO party. We will not be able to get both of you and Adam on the air, so everyone can get their points for the elusive creator credits. If not, there will be a bunch of us producers that will be on the airwaves to help boost the points. Please keep up the good work in the best podcast in the universe and send some mac and cheese karma because I need to buy more grain to brew a couple more beers. If you ever make it to the Dallas area, the beer and barbecue is on me. Sir Otaku KF5SVR. The QSO party's gonna be fun. You know how it works, right?

56:04 Yeah, so there will be points for the it will have the bonus points will be if someone can do a QSO with you or I Oh! Alright. So the way it works, you get points for making contact with other people participating in the contest. And then you get extra points for, like if it's a Sir, if it's a Knight, or if it's a Dame, you get extra points. Extra points for different modes, like Morse code CW would be extra points. You know, for uh... Wow, that's- how geeky is that? You're pretty geeky. That's worse than Dungeons & Dragons, man. You've got karma. Man, oh man. Makes- I think it makes me sound pretty damn pathetic. No. And I'm all into that. No, no, no.

57:05 No, I mean how many chicks are going whoo QSO party now zero one zero No, hi, especially not the one here Eye rolling. Women love this because it gives them plenty of exercise for their eyeballs. They spin them around, spin them around, and it actually improves your visions very slightly. So you're doing the female gender a favor. Pusso parties give you facial exercise. Yes. Oh, nice. Alright, I do not have and cannot find a Christopher Dolan note. Ah, let me check from Berlin. Oh, they Berlin Connecticut Let me see if I've got a Christopher Dole and he came in Christopher Dolan came it with three four five six seven Berlin, Connecticut and He's a sir if I'm not mistaken and he's doesn't like maybe doesn't like to he doesn't care. Hmm. I don't have I don't have anything I

58:08 Okay, Mark Lay at anyway three four five six seven from Christopher sir Christopher Mark Lay along Eaton Derbyshire UK three four five another computer commuter contribution from Derbyshire UK cannot believe some of the reports and legislation you cover that our news me doesn't seem to feel should be covered. Can I have a trains good, jobs karma, also a bit of info I heard early in 2004 relating to the price of gas increasing in the United States. If exports of LPG tankers begins due to the world market price of gas being higher than the local market. Just another bit of speculation in the energy market merry-go-round. Okay? I'm not quite sure what that meant. He was thinking... Well, if you remember this, there was a big...

58:55 kind of a push that, oh, we're gonna start sending, because liquid natural gas is expensive, the Russians are gonna come off, and we need to send our gas from the United States to Europe, and that's gonna jack up our prices, and it turns out just the opposite happened. All aboard, trains good, planes bad. Jobs, jobs, jobs and jobs. Let's vote for jobs! You've got karma. Can you do a two-line description? Don't they remember the Alamo? You're supposed to remember the Alamo, gosh darn it. Can you help us out here? It was a fort in Texas on the border at the time with Mexico. Actually, it was in Mexican territory, I believe. But then the Texans were taking over. The Republic of Texas was taking over the place with a bunch of punks running out to Mexicans and the Mexican military was screwed up.

59:58 and there was a big fight over the Alamo, what was noteworthy about it, they had all these very famous people that later became Disney characters, that's the most important thing, like Daniel Boone was in the Alamo and the Mexicans surrounded the place, they had him outnumbered and they killed everybody, all of them, everybody in the Alamo was killed by Mexicans. No, the Americans were all killed. Oh, okay, good. The Mexicans won. Ah, you made it sound so true. And then we came back, we came, did a comeback and rousted the Mexicans eventually and made Texas what it is. Kind of. And it was Sam Austin and these famous people and... Wait, was that Yosemite Sam, another character? Yosemite Sam Austin. And then you end up with the phrase, because of the Alamo, remember the Alamo where all these people were butchered by these horrible Mexicans.

1:00:46 And now, of course, the state is mostly Mexicans anyway, so it didn't work out. But whatever the case, that's the Alamo. Thank you. That's good. And I think because of the Disney movies, I think that's really why people still remember the Alamo. The Disney movies is the reason this whole thing, anyone makes... Yeah. Yeah. In fact, that's why the phrase exists. Remember the Alamo, Disney. Yeah, probably. It's subliminal. Patrick from someplace in Washington, 33333, we haven't seen that for a while. Hey John and Adam, this donation should put me over into knighthood category. I'd like this opportunity to propose a new order of pseudonymous knights. And he wants to call it the Order of Pugner.

1:01:28 This probably is the guy who sends in the Mark Pugner donations. Could be. Somebody does. But you know what they do is they send in like a post office mail order thing, usually for $69.69, and in the corner of the aisle it says, Mark Pugner, parts unknown. Right. That's good. That's funny. It helps. Now how do we deal with this pseudonymous Knights The Order of Pugner. The Order of Pugner. Pseudonymous Knights. I think, well, he called these the Order... I think he suggested the Order of the Pugner. So he's a Sir Patrick Order of the Pugner. Order of the Pugner. Got it. I got it. It's on the list too. We're good. Sir Norman McDonough in Woodstock, Ontario came up with $300. This should be taking me to my second... I want to thank all these people, by the way, for coming up on this show, which... because we were very short last time. Yeah, it really helps. This should take me to my second knighthood. Is that a baronet? Yes.

1:02:21 fell away from contributing and even listening. This is a problem we have. But I try to make up this year and I'm back as an avid listener. I lost my way thanks to the media. I do love your show. May I have anything from Reverend Al and a stuttering Obama porky pig? That's how we roll. Okay, and he wants an owl? An owl, stuttering, and how we roll. Okay, I'm sorry. There was something that just came in on the email from one of our knights. I'm trying to do double duty. There's no real conflict! That's how we roll. And that's the story. You've got karma. Oh, this is interesting. Please credit donationist Sir Hank.

1:03:17 That tells me nothing. Forget it. It's all good. I got it. Sir Hank, I'm good to go. I'm just looking at... I'm doing the news wire. I'm doing the... I'm the receptionist. Yeah, you're plugged in, man. Plugged in. I'm the producer of the show. I produce the technical director. I don't know how you do it. I'm the receptionist. I'm the... Trevor Mudge from Ann Arbor, Michigan. $300. I listen to your show when traveling. I'm about to go blighty for a week. So here's something to cover my coming travels. Thanks for the show. He's going too blighty. Too blighty. It's the UK. Blighty is in the UK? That is the UK. It's slang for the UK. Blighty. I'm going to Blighty and that means he's going to the UK? Yes it does. Huh. You didn't know? He's from Michigan, from Ann Arbor. How would he know this phrase? Maybe he's from Blighty. Mudge. Mudge would seem a bit... Mudge. Yes, Mudge. Mr. Mudge. Mr. Mudge. Trevor Mudge in attendance. Stan Salisbury.

1:04:15 272.75 Gainesville, Florida. Special numbers day for me and the best podcast in universe on this day, on this last sequential date of this century, 12, 13, 14, which is true. I hereby declare my having freely reached no agenda knighthood on show 678. It's taken me five years, but I finally made it. I love these stories. I appreciate all the dedication and hard work from John and Adam Gibson, the NOAA Agenda Show, in making it a quality product. I'm proud to be one of the NOAA Agenda producers of show 678. For my knighting, you can name me Sir Stan of Kingswood.

1:04:53 To all the NOAgenda listeners, please have a Merry Christmas and keep on shopping. Oh, I'm sorry. Keep on supporting the show. Keep on supporting the show. Sincerely, Stan Salisbury, Gainesville, Florida. Richard Moffitt. And I could not find a note from...I don't think...wait a minute. Two...oh, no, no. This came in the mail. Richard might be a right it did I think Richard Moffett never sits in his notes. He just sends the checks, okay, Richard Moffett 253 16 Milwaukee, Wisconsin Sir, Alan bows in Langley British Columbia. Langley, British Columbia. $250. Morning, gentlemen. Here's one more. You haven't gotten any donations from Langley, Virginia? I don't think we have. Here's one more installment towards my upgrade to Baron. I'm now only a few dollars away. Did you have him down there as Baron? Only a few dollars away, I would be... It would sound good to be the Baron of British Columbia. Okay. The Baron of British Columbia. I don't think we have... Okay, this is...

1:05:54 Let me just write down Richard Moffat. No, I'm sorry. Who are we doing? Sir Alan Bowes. And it's interesting why he's not on the list. Yeah, who knows. That's okay. Let me just write it down. What does he become? The Baron of British Columbia. Of course. I believe that covering an area of 365,000 square miles is going to where? My old Lincoln. I implore some more BCers to help out and share the responsibility. The whole province is up for grabs. I just want part of the lower mainland. I don't need the province. The challenge, the glove has been thrown down. Yeah, yeah. Have a great Christmas and keep up the excellent deconstruction and entertainment. Thank you, sir.

1:06:38 Sir Chris Spears in Austin, Texas, robbed the road from you. 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, one of my favorites. Hi, John and Adam, as always, I hope this small bit of Value for Value finds you well. I was compelled to donate with my birthday falling on 12-13-14. As a knight, I assume it my divine right to call other listeners out. You bet. I would like to single out Benjamin F. Fields. Douchebag! Not donating at a level appropriate for a man of means. I'd like to thank Patrick F. Hamilton for becoming a producer. Nice. All right. Dame Astrid 23456 and she did send a email which I don't have a master of well, she's Viscount Viscount Astrid Tokyo, but still I think you still call it Dame. I have the note if you did yes play the note

1:07:29 Shall I play the note? You even replied to the note with a smiley face. Dear John, dear Adam, being an addicted NOAA gender listener and having done my homework by reading Sinclair Lewis's book It Can't Happen Here, I am more than saddened to report that despite unusually wide protests, albeit not as vociferous as the Umbrella Revolution, The new state secret law has been enforced in Japan last week. We are now one step closer to a true shut up slavedom. What are we to do? I can't hit people in the mouth around me. My daughter and her peers in... I can't hit the people around me, my daughter and her peers in the mouth fast enough to bring them to their senses. This is when John the C stands for Chick Magnet Dvorak.

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1:13:56 computing age, I mean your commercials are filled with Cisco will be bringing you the Internet of everything and your tennis shoes will when they're worn out they'll report back to home base and Cisco is gonna help you get new tennis shoes that are designed for the way you use them and all of this stuff. We need to have actual reporting on the issues at hand. And as you know, one of my biggest pet peeve in all reporting, particularly when it comes to technology and I'll say technology reporting, not tech because tech equals phones. Tech equals phones. A lifestyle. That's tech reporting today is really lifestyle reporting. Um, the, of course my biggest pet peeve is the use of the word glitch.

1:14:43 It is not a technical term. It does not, it is not appropriate in today's world for news organizations such as Associated Press, such as The Guardian, anyone to use the word glitch as an explanation for what went wrong. It's just not. It's not a like it. I'm gonna use it to extreme. There was a glitch in London, the UK I should say, on Friday. Of course, Friday is very busy time. Oh yeah, yeah. I was hoping you were gonna give us a discussion of this. Yeah. The glitch. And the glitch, what happened is it really fouled up the Friday travel. But the way you may have heard this report or read about it, John,

1:15:30 I think the way it came across is, you know, oh air traffic control went down, you know, planes were gonna crash into each other. It was just horrible. And that is like nothing could be further from the truth. And it's even more cool when this is when these glitches, you know, are about aviation because of course I know some of that as a, I'm a licensed aviator. This is regarding the NATS. This is the, And I've used the NATS. In general, it is for filing flight plans and manages flight plans for UK aviation. It does connect into, of course, Eurocontrol, but it's not the guys, the controllers talking to planes. It's not the radar system. In fact, if you've ever been in, have you ever been in a tower, John? Have you ever? Yes, I have. And you know, you've probably heard of the term slots.

1:16:31 Yeah, I know the term slots. Okay. You put yourself in your plane, you're in a slot, you're gonna land at a certain point. Or take off. Take off or land. You're in a slot. And if you've ever been in a tower, and I believe pretty much every tower still has this, they should, it may even be regulation, they have a board with a whole bunch of rectangular wooden sticks And, and with, and there's a gaffer, or there'll be a little masking tape on them and they'll write down flight numbers and they can slide these, these sticks up and down into a sequence. So you know who's next for landing, who's, who's, who was supposed to be coming next. Is this the World War II tower you were at? I think all towers still basically have this. In fact, they resorted back to this, I'm pretty sure.

1:17:20 when this glitch took place. And what happened is, a system went down. Now this is big mainframe, this is IBM S390. And this kind of hardware, I would say, you would know more about that than I do. That hardware, unless it really blows up, it just grinds forever. This is mainframe stuff. And of course, you know, lots of things. The whole aviation industry probably runs still mostly on that. Which is why when you get a ticket, if you put your name and you do a reservation, your ticket comes back with all caps. You've noticed this? That's because you're going into a mainframe. The mainframe doesn't know upper or lower case for a lot of these procedures.

1:18:06 So something went wrong with it had to be the software since these hardware things don't go down and What really happened is the flight plans became unavailable to the system, to the crew system, so to the air traffic control. So at a certain point, they have to resort back to the old way of doing things. They can still see everybody, no one's going to go crashing down, but that does mean they have to slow stuff down and delay things after, I think it's an eight or 10 minute delay. And really, you know, there's something that went wrong. And I'm going to assert that the technology being put in place

1:18:44 and there's a lot we're looking at here in the United States, certainly the next gen, where really we'd be flying without pilots or whatever, that we are being duped into spending more money on systems that probably aren't going to work very well. And I found two things. I found what I believe to be the real problem. And remember, you're talking about a mainframe which takes very, very specific instructions and it can be sent into a spin. You can screw it up. You can confuse the system if the data you enter somehow... the code is not written to reject incorrect entry.

1:19:24 And what I got from a pretty obscure message board with who I believe is an insider at the NAT system, there was a not one but two flight plans were entered and probably through the internet gateway, which is now kind of jerry-rigged onto this thing. were entered incorrectly at the same time. And the system just shut down, but it had already spun off its data dump to the backup system. So it had the exact same problem and they had to go resort to the manual slot system and the papers. I think that there's still probably printouts of a lot of these flight plans. But here's the CEO of the company that runs this, Richard Deacon.

1:20:03 And this is a public-private partnership. So this is why I don't like it. So there's profit making, but it's a non-compete kind of contract. It's a very typical system for government with private enterprise. And I don't think it's very good, but he really took it to a level that was just so funny. And of course he has no idea what's going on and he's now going to explain to us to take it beyond the glitch. And I think this is a model for CEOs in the future as things do come crashing down. This is how you're going to explain it away. So the problem was, as your report described, when we had additional terminals brought into use and we had a software problem that we haven't seen before which resulted in the computer that looks after the flight plans effectively going offline.

1:20:51 Okay, but on this particular problem, have you actually identified what the software issue was? Is it fixed? Yes we have. There are about 50 different systems at Swanwick, our main operations centre, and over 4 million lines of code. So we've found the... See, this is supposed to impress you. There were four million lines of code, please. This is a lot. Go ahead and write some lines of code. Line of code that caused the problem. That's effectively been rectified and I can assure your viewers that this particular problem is not going to reoccur. So how long has that line of code been sitting there? I mean, like a sort of ticking time bomb.

1:21:33 The line of code was just sitting there, like a ticking time bomb waiting to be activated. Well, some of the systems, as you say, are fairly elderly. They don't really go back to the 1960s. The system that we had a problem with last night has code that was written in the early 90s. Having said that, we are investing a huge amount of new technology. Here it comes. Be very afraid when you hear what's happening now. So we typically invest around 140 million pounds per annum. Send them more! Five years we're spending another 575 million pounds to bring our systems up to date with the latest single European SKIES program which has just been launched last week. And wait for it! And the UK has very much a leading role in that. So over the next five years we're going to be moving more towards internet-based systems which are very modern, much more resilient than the systems that we currently use. I knew you'd like that!

1:22:32 Do not move your- to an internet-based system. It will not be more resilient. Holy moly. Yeah. Yeah. Now, of course, I still don't really have... Howard Baetjer That's... Michael Strautmanis ...hacked immediately. John Gallon Yeah. I still don't have any real information, but I think someone needs to step up and there needs to be a way for reporters to go, okay, so I'll buy your one line of code in millions. So, you know, some... Howard Baetjer Oh, that's nonsense. Who cares? You know, yeah, there's a line of code that took the data in wrong or something. What difference does it make? That's always gonna happen. That's never gonna end. That's just the way it is. So what? So that's not even newsworthy. But the idea that they're going to put everything into an internet-based system, I mean, why don't you just shoot yourself? I love how he says it. We're moving towards an internet-based system for resilience. Oh yeah.

1:23:24 Reminds me of many a story. Well, you want to hit me with one? I think it took too long to get to the point. You should have just put that right up front and we could have moaned and groaned. That was, I didn't realize it was so banal. Yeah. One line of code. Well. Yeah, I thought it would maybe something more interesting than that. That's boring, but that internet thing is, that's pretty outrageous. I mean, what are they thinking? You know it's going to be hacked. In fact, it's going to be such a great target. Well, again, this is why it's a private-public partnership. This guy's raising money. He's just raising money. You go on and on and on and on with all these guys. We heard a million hours of testimony, oh, cyber this, cyber that, and we have all these guys that don't really know anything about cyber. I think they also passed the cyber bill.

1:24:14 Yeah, yeah, I resisted me. This is Hillary would say what difference does it make well? This is the can't stop these hackers. This is this is the Homeland, the cybersecurity critical infrastructure protection bill. That means it doesn't protect anything? Correct. One. This is the I think this is actually just a bonanza for guys like Richard, what's his name and all these other so called experts that are going to Richard Clark. Yeah. And all these tech experts that were in Congress, they don't know anything about how you can turn on a computer and they're going to be running certain consulting operations. Make a fortune. If you're interested, yes. If you're interested, I can give you a quick rundown. This was the National Cybersecurity and Critical Infrastructure Protection Act of 2014. And this is what we've been looking at for a while now. This is the cyber sharing, the sharing of information, if you recall.

1:25:15 And this all falls under Subtitle C, cybersecurity information sharing. So the government will be sharing with private industry in the following sectors. Chemical, commercial facilities, which is not defined. I guess commercial facilities could be anything. Communications, critical manufacturing, dams, defense, industrial base, emergency services, energy, which is pretty much everything else. Financial services, so the government now will be sharing information with your bank more than they do already. Food and agriculture, government facilities, healthcare and public health, information technology, nuclear reactors, materials and waste, transportation systems, which the bus, water and wastewater systems, and such other sectors as the secretary determines appropriate. So just pretty much everything.

1:26:06 And each sector specific agency shall recognize at least one, this is what we got to pay attention to, information sharing and analysis center. So this is what we're going to be building. Information and analysis centers, which will be these I guess centers of excellence. You know, we've got this road out here, Highway 880, that goes through Oakland. Oh no, it's not the potholes. There's potholes all over the place and Oakland's a joke. If you drive through Oakland on the, I guess it's the 880 that goes down there through Oakland, you might as well have your ball joints replaced every time you take a trip down here. Why aren't they fixing these highways?

1:26:54 And when I was in Los Angeles the last time, I didn't realize that Los Angeles is worse. And some of the ritziest parts of town are just a wreck. Horrible. It's horrible, I know. Horrible, crappy roads. But oh, we're going to build a bunch of bull crap for no good reason? This is like up in Port Angeles, there's a big, giant Homeland Security headquarters because of all the Mexicans coming down from Canada. And they got these guys and they got overstaffed, the building costs a lot of money. I'm just not seeing that they're spending their money wisely. Adam, Section 205 is the only piece I wanted to pull out and just discuss with you. I think the language is interesting. So in all this information sharing between these sectors, which is pretty much everything, and the government.

1:27:40 Section 205 is the prohibition on collection activities to track individuals personally identifiable information. So this is what there would not be allowed to occur. Nothing in this act shall permit the Department of Homeland Security to engage in the monitoring, surveillance, exfiltration, or other collection activities for the purpose of tracking an individual's personally identifiable information. And I think you can look at the purpose, the word purpose, and maybe just tracking. So you can still look at something, someone's individual person identifiable information, but you can't track it. Why not? Because... What's the point of this?

1:28:30 They're tracking us in every other way and all these other laws that we read. Now what's the point of this? I think what it actually does is gives them... So you have a criminal, a known criminal roaming around and you can't track him. Is that what this law says? No. No. You cannot collect specifically to track individuals personally identifying... Why not? That's what it says. It doesn't say why not. It says, oh, note to John C. Dvorak, here's why not. I don't know. It's for your privacy, I guess. I think... They don't seem to care about it in any other dimension of the law. I think it does exactly the opposite. I think it says you can collect and look at anything, you just can't use it for tracking.

1:29:16 That's what I think it says. I think it's a reverse whammy. That would make more sense. That's the way I read it. So you can collect and you can exfiltrate and you can monitor but you can't do that to track an individual's personally identifiable information. That's not even a person. You can track a person just not their personally identifiable information. I don't like the way it's written. I think it's nefarious. All right. I don't know. There's much to discuss. It just sounds like another bogus law. They're writing too many laws. People always complain. I've always said this. They're not right. These are passing. This is being passed. There's no... There's a do-nothing Congress. If you ever say it's a do-nothing Congress, it's actually a do-nothing Congress. Nothing could be better. Well, that's interesting you bring that up. There's nothing better than a do-nothing Congress. Oh, they're log-jammed. Fine. It's interesting you bring that up. I want to talk about this. There is a report that came out

1:30:17 called the well the people are calling it the Gillens flatline and this is a report done by two let me see if I have it here This is two professors, Martin Gillins and Benjamin Page. And they've been written up in several publications, New Yorker, you know, quasi serious, serious publications. And what they've discovered with this, with this research they've done over 10 years is that if you look at the financial elites, which I think, first of all, it's everybody in Congress, but you know, the financial elites, everyone who's, it's not you and I, let's put it that way. And then everybody else,

1:31:00 They charted the graph when the financial elites really want something, 90 to 100% of what they wanted gets done. And then the flatline graph is everybody else, whether nobody wants certain legislation passed or everybody wants certain legislation passed, the amount is still 30% of what those people wanted. So really what this shows is whatever... Now, what are you looking at? This is the Martin Giles, Gillens, G-I-L-E-N-S chart. I have to look at this. Yes, G-I-L-E-N-S. Well, they both appeared on the Jon Stewart show a couple months back and

1:31:45 And this is kind of what led me into looking at these guys. Here's a quick clip of what they talked about. How do you quantify something like that? What metrics do you use? We looked at a couple thousand potential policy changes in the United States over 25 years, and we measured what ordinary citizens wanted, whether they favored or opposed them, what elites, economic elites wanted, and where interest groups fell. And by having measures of all those things, we could put them into a statistical model that would assess the influence of each of those sets of actors. Is the variable enough from what the non-elite public wants to what the elite wants? Did you find a large spread between their aims?

1:32:28 Yes. Yeah, there are some very important issues including social security, deficits, economic regulation, taxes. What can we do about the differential then? What can we do about it? That sounds scripted. I think that's important. Krugman wrote a column and he said, you know, this study is okay but it's going to discourage people and that's bad. And I think there's something to that, that this is a solvable problem. I think it takes a a very big social movement. I think it takes bipartisan leadership and it actually takes some wealthy people on the same side to make it happen. Nothing seems to happen in American politics of any importance. Right, I was going to say, do you know of a country where that could happen? Is there anything? Well, the United States at the beginning of the 20th century, the progressive period. And I think it's really worth looking back to that and learning some lessons. All right.

1:33:22 So you understand what the general premise is of this? Yes. And I do want to mention something just kind of in passing. That was a clip from the Jon Stewart show and you played it. Yes. Oh yeah, I did. I did. It wasn't a particularly funny one. I was just surprised that these guys were on the Jon Stewart show. And I agree it was scripted because he hasn't, it, Stewart was way out of his depth and he tried to do some funny joke. I cut all the stupid jokery out. Now, what's interesting about this is there's a guy from MIT, I think, James D'Angelo, and he has a theory that, it's like an hour and a half long YouTube video, which I don't think is, you know, I couldn't really pull any clips from it, but he looked at this so-called, they call it the Gillens Flatline. So again, what this research says is that when the people want something,

1:34:09 100, but they really want it all the way, only 30% of what they want gets done. If they don't want something done, only 30, still 30%. So what the people want in our Congress to do doesn't matter. What does matter is the financial elites. And what he came across is a change that this really started to change dramatically in 1970. This is when the flatline of the Gillens chart started to take place. And this guy, I really thought that was interesting. He brings it back to the Legislative Reorganization Act of 1970. This is interesting. And thank God, I've been striking out with you all day. I hope not. I'm really worried. I hope he likes this. But it's interesting to me. Okay.

1:34:55 So the Legislative Reorganization Act of 1970 was an act to, quote, improve the operation of the legislative branch of the federal government, and for other purposes, of course. And it did the following. This would be Nixon, by the way, for anyone keeping score. Is that 1970 was Nixon, right? Well, a lot of things happened in the 70s, including the petrodollar and all that stuff. Well, yeah, that's because it was the beginning of a 40-year depression. So the provisions of this bill required that reports on a measure be made available three days before floor vote, and here I think is the one that's important, established procedures or recorded votes in the House Committee of the Whole and led to the installment of electronic voting machines. And the Committee of the Whole, which I didn't know much about, I have here, hold on, this is all from the Book of Knowledge, so I'm going to presume it's kind of okay.

1:35:51 United States House of Representatives, the Committee of the Whole, short for Committee of the Whole House on the State of the Union, is a parliamentary device in which the House of Representatives is considered one large congressional committee. The presiding officer is chosen by the Speaker of the House, who's normally a member of the majority party, who does not hold the chair of a long-standing committee. So it's about a super committee. So what changed is the votes of this House Committee of the Whole And it led to the installation of electronic voting machines in Congress. So really where a lot of these votes were all in favor say aye, all opposed say nay, the ayes have it. But it really you didn't have a hey this guy voted for this, this guy voted for that. And there's a couple other things that we're seeing.

1:36:42 similar pieces of changes that were established in this legislative reorganization act. And what happened after this is a whole bunch of things started to come into play, mainly lobbying groups and groups like ALEC and the Heritage Foundation. and the huge lobbying group, Cassidy and Associates. And of course, I don't really remember too much about it, but there was the big Abramoff scandal. He was a lobbyist for Indian reservations. No, that was long after the recent... Yeah, but just to show you how the lobbying groups came in and what this guy asserts, this MIT guy, he says voting in the United States

1:37:29 When you and I go to vote and we go to vote, whatever elections it is, we go into the voting booth, we draw a curtain around us, and nobody knows what I voted. And I don't get a receipt that says that I voted for anything because if you did that, then it would be easy for me to sell my vote because I could say, oh, I voted for this because it's public record or here's a receipt, here's who I voted for, and it would be too easy to commit fraud. And we are taught from... You mean like with internet voting? Yeah, internet voting would be a very, very bad idea. And if you think about it, we're taught from a very young age, even in school, you put your votes in a cardboard box and then the ballots are counted. It's always done in secret, except in Congress, which is exactly why the system is inherently built to be rigged.

1:38:23 because you can just sit there, your vote is public, you can swap votes with other guys, you can sell this to lobbyists. Lobbyists are giving people millions of dollars for their re-election campaigns and it really started in this Legislative Reorganization Act of 1970 that these votes, not only the House of the Committee votes were now recorded and public, but they installed the electronic voting machines in the House of Representatives and the Senate. And it's now published within seconds so you can see if your guy, your boy, your gal, whoever is doing what they promised and if you need to send them money or not.

1:38:58 And what I thought was interesting about this D'Angelo character is he said, we could solve everything, not the way the two researchers of the report say, you know, by millions of dollars and everybody getting together and a huge movement. No, we could just say, why don't we just go back to anonymous votes in the House and the Senate? Okay, well, this is bullshit. Why? For one thing, that's nonsense. Anytime there was a really important vote, you can find the voting records of people back before the 1970s. If there was something important, they do it today. They do a yay or nay and then somebody say anybody can go out because he's trying to vote. I'd like a recorded vote and they do it.

1:39:33 I agree. And they used to do it. They've always done it. I don't believe any of this stuff this MIT guy says. I think it all sounds dubious. It's not enough to it. There's something I'm looking at the chart right now on a good size, mike.com, m-i-c.com. They got all this stuff on there. And they've got this chart, one of the charts. They have the flatline charts. They have all of them. But they have this one chart called income gains widely shared in early post-war decades, but not since then. And you can see very clearly from 1950, to 1970, just what he said, there was a one-to-one, the 95th percentile of people, the median and the bottom people all gained income on the same exact curve, going straight up. 1970 flattens out a little bit because there was a depression anyway. 1975 is actually where it starts to diverge.

1:40:26 And it starts to diverge and diverge and diverge, and it never stops. And the big divergence is the 95, the top people, the 1%, 5%, whatever they're called. they start making a lot more money and everybody else kind of like dwindles on the vine. They kind of, and it starts to separate in all ways. So something did happen in the seventies, but I don't believe it was because of the way they voted in Congress. And you couldn't point out that this guy voted the wrong way. What would that tell? How does that going to affect income distribution? I just don't see it. There's something else. I didn't say it. I didn't find it. I didn't say it affected income distribution.

1:41:04 I didn't say that. I said it affected what the people wanted en masse and what they got and what the financial elites wanted and what they got. I never said anything about income... But it boils down to that. No, it does not. It does to me. What the people want is more money. Okay, so and all their interests are about money. Yes, they didn't get as much influence than you're and also the implications about Lobbyists is also very dubious. It is a lot more money going around is a lot I think it has to do with I Like to find out when that law was passed that you don't if you're a congressman you can invest on insight You can do insider trading. I think that that date would be could I have you just for one moment just breathe

1:41:49 and listen to the idea, the concept of having... just the concept. That's all I really want to discuss here. If the votes that... and there's a whole discussion to be had about my representative. I presume that we are vote representatives to go represent us. And of course the downside is you don't know what your guy voted for, but you vote someone because you think that they know all the angles and they're going to be working on your behalf, otherwise you vote them out. But it's very hard to vote somebody out when their votes are public and they're selling their votes. They're essentially selling their votes, not just for the insider trading deals they do that are hidden in the basement. Everybody's selling their vote. You give me this much money. I want to know what they voted on. Right? I'm asking you to, for a moment, step back and think about what would happen. Would it change? Because that's the central point that this guy is making. If we had those votes,

1:42:47 not be public attributed to each individual representative. Would that change the money that is being put into these coffers for votes? No. Why not? Because I'm a guy working with some of these one lobbyists about mining and I want my state to be mined out. And so the vote comes up for this and it starts to be defeated. Meanwhile, I'm getting a lot of money from these guys to get this thing passed. So I call for a roll call vote. I wouldn't let it pass. I wouldn't let this, oh yes, no, I mean yeah fine they can do that for most laws. But if it's something important to me in my state and I'm a stooge for a lobbyist, I'm calling for a roll call vote. And I'm saying, this is what I'm saying. What if, just what if,

1:43:35 You made that no longer possible. No roll call vote. That would be a major change in the way things work. Yes, of course it's a major change. But I... The problem with... And again, there's a problem because then you'd be watching C-SPAN and they'd be doing these votes and you'd be here, everybody in favor say aye. Aye. Everybody in oppose say nay. Nay, nay, nay. And the ayes have it. It would be scandalous. And you've seen this happen in Congress. You watch C-SPAN and every so often they pull one of these things off and nobody says yes and they say yes has it. This is bull crap. You are so stuck on just saying bull crap, you're not really listening to what I'm... I am listening to the argument. I think it's nonsense. I'm not arguing, I'm asking, I'm asking. So forget that eyes and the nays. What if we had secret vote? Just secret vote, a cardboard box, you put your vote in there, then they go in the open up and they say here's... It's the way they do elections.

1:44:31 Here's all the secret votes that people voted in secret for our president or for your representative. Why is that not open? Why don't we just have that open? No, no, no, I'm going to say this. Open that up. Let's have the same rights as Congress so I can sell my vote. Because you're voting for representatives. It's different than voting for laws. It's not as though you're voting for a law. If you're voting for a law, I'd like to know if you voted yes or no. That's why it's open. You can't have a bunch of secret crack. You want the Congress to be running in a secret in the back room? Here's the mistake you make with me. I don't want anything. I'm putting a debate out there. You attack it like I'm some fucking moron. No, no, no. I'm attacking the MIT guy. It's a bogus argument.

1:45:21 It's funny, I don't, I see it as, I think it has some validity. I'm just... There's no validity to a seat. This is like, yeah, I'm sure the Politburo in Russia and Moscow would do it that way. That's fine. That's not the way we operate. We like to know what our people are voting on and why are they voting yes or are they voting no? I think if you... I want to know. I think if you look at, who was the French guy, the Toucault, the guy who wrote the Democracy in America? Alex is the Tocqueville. Yeah, that guy, the Tocqueville. I'm gonna go back and read that. I believe that there are examples of governments that function very well where this part of the process is not open the way it is now because I'm just saying when you have

1:46:15 Here's the only one thing I really agree with. I know that if we have a little group and there's 10 guys and we're going to vote, and we all know what each other votes, there's a lot of stuff that comes into play because, oh, if he votes that, I don't want to vote that. Whereas if you really want it to be your conscience or what the people that you are supposedly representing, and for it not to be something that you can necessarily sell with proof that you voted some way, it's interesting to think about it. And I don't think that necessarily means you're immediately in Nazi Germany or in deep red Russia. I think it's interesting to explore since not only does it not seem that there's any way of stopping the money that is controlling politics,

1:46:59 The limits of contributions were just raised tenfold with this new bill that was passed. So, clearly, the path we're on is not working. Well, we know that the...well, there's a lot of reasons for that, but do we...we do know that who voted yes and no on this particular thing that allows you to bring in even more money. It's...to turn the whole thing into a secret society that just kind of votes on the back, I think is even more corruptible. Because everyone, I didn't vote for that. No, I don't know who did. I'm the one guy who said no. Would we be worse off? Yeah, I think we'd be way worse off. These guys would be just taking money hand over fist.

1:47:41 Well, they do it anyway. It's easier now because they can prove that they voted the way they were paid. It's easier now because the public is irresponsible and doesn't look at these guys and say, this guy's a crook. Let's get him out of here. All he's doing is taking lobbyist money, which you can now easily identify. The guy votes for something and the lobbyist, you know, is the guy behind it. It's a bad law. We're part of that group. There's a flat line. We don't have any influence. Get some influence vote these guys out. Ah, okay Well, that's not gonna happen. It is one thing that's not gonna happen. Well, it's not gonna happen. It can't happen Oh, oh, that's the in one our super pack going to the vorac curtain curry to vorac super pack All right. You got me Eric's gonna set it up by the way. Oh

1:48:35 What the hell does that mean? Do I make any money with the SuperPAC? You're going to pay, you're going to be a paid consultant. How to explain that? Forget this. How do I make money off of the broken system we have now? I don't give a shit about trying to fix it. I think what we're doing, I think everybody got a lot of these flaws and I think it could be part of the SuperPAC. How does that work? The SuperPAC? I don't know. I have no idea. Okay, well, then there's lots of power behind one if you can believe that. I don't want power. Who the hell wants power? I do.

1:56:36 No, I don't want to do that. I think that's the lowest of the low. Well, hello? Scamming the public? What's a super PAC then? No, a super PAC does good. I was in the chat room and they said, hey, when you have power, you get, you know, it's an aphrodisiac. Yeah, you're an automatic chick magnet. Jing me. Well meanwhile the other real news that is buzzing around no one in Hollywood can talk about anything else but this. In the wake of the cyber attack the Hollywood giant Cyber attack! Damage control every day facing new revelations like the email exchange between Sony co-chairman Amy Pascal and movie producer Scott Rudin. I can't get enough of this. This is actually highly entertaining. I love it. By BuzzFeed.

1:57:17 I love that BuzzFeed, again BuzzFeed, they are very good at doing this stuff. I love this. The views held and represented in the No Agenda show are not necessarily representative of who I am. Except for what I wrote in an email. I'm deeply sorry.

1:58:00 No one says racist cocksuckers and racist about the president. It's Hollywood. And the irony is, of course, Holly was all in on the Democrats and the president. I think both of them are big donors to the Democratic Party. Yeah. And they just made a racially insensitive, though it is an insensitive joke. It's crazy how they're being protected in this. This should have been a Republican or someone from the South or someone from Texas. Yeah, some somebody text hard and feathered and hung up. Oh, no, this just shows we need. What are they calling it? We need more diversification. What's the word? What's the word? Yeah, we need more. We need to diversify Hollywood. Good luck. It's it. Who needs it anyway? Let Hollywood be what it is. It's funnier. We had

1:58:57 I like to have the salaries in there. They got all kinds of good stuff coming out. Tons of good stuff. I think this should be done more often. I admire the guys who cracked Sony and put a whole thing out there as public domain. And I think that... Raise the curtain! Raise the veil of secrecy on all companies. They're trying to bring it back to, there was a horrible crime perpetrated on our company. This is what we should be talking about. No, no, this is really good what's going on here. This is really, really good. This is Sony being taken down by someone. By who? I don't know, a competitor. Could be anybody. By who? Microsoft? It's not North Korea. No, it's definitely not North Korea. What's the point? I'd be looking at... I'd look at Microsoft. They're the ones with the big... against the Xbox and PlayStation. Hmm, interesting.

1:59:53 could be one of the other movie companies. Well, that's what I was thinking. That would be the way to go. So they went after the movie database more than anything else. They already hacked away at their games site. That would happen like a number of years back. Right. And it was probably Sony's crisis management who went to blame it on North Korea. Do something. Yeah, I think that was a blunder. I think it was. All it did is, well, it does promote the Seth Rogen movie, but that's not really going to help when you get the executives talking like that. No, it could have been China. Nah. Well, yeah, China. Yeah, that's possible I mean China trying to know China put a big studio space they have a bunch of what three billion dollars and some studios and I think north of Beijing or south of Beijing a bunch of studios and they opened it up and everyone went there and yeah a bunch of guys Filming there, even though the Chinese government has an oversight, which is not a good idea for but anything artistic

2:00:49 And, uh, I don't know, maybe Sony, I don't know. Well, it's definitely PR for the Rogan movie. It's PR for the Rogan movie for sure. And all the other stuff is just crap. It's not even good PR. Because all they do is show clips of the Rogan. Every when you see clips of that movie, do you want to actually want to go see the movie? Oh, it's stupid. I think enough people will be, Hey, that looks cool, man. You hear that was part of the, it's Christmas day opening. Yeah, it'll work. No, it won't. I think it's going to be a flop. I had drinks on Thursday night after our show, which I don't typically do. As you know, I'm pretty much like, I'm done. I got to rest. It's like running a marathon. Man, I am pooped. I had drinks with my ex big time banker from New York. You remember this is the guy who I asked about some of the suicides and he knew some of the guys. Yes, you brought him up a couple of shows ago. Right.

2:01:50 And I got two drinks in him and I said, wow, man, what do you think about this? This derivatives and FDIC thing, this turning back of Dodd-Frank. This is really, this is something. And he said, this is the best thing that could ever happen to America." Right, exactly. Exactly. Ex-banker. I said, well, why don't you explain? Explain, please. He says, this is the last thing that we need to do to completely destroy Barclays, Societe Generale, and UBS.

2:02:36 He says, if this goes through, which I guess it's now gone through, the president will have to sign it. And the president said he wasn't a fan of it, but he was going to put it in there. He says, this is so good for the United States economy. He said, this is going to make our banking industry rule the world. And he tried to explain to me all the ins and outs of how it worked with the swaps. And he says, really, When the next crisis could not if you said when the next crisis come when it's coming up Which means you know the guys being real with me when the next crisis come he says just so you know The IMF is a joke. They have no power you Keep saying that you really have to get off this IMF thing if Fifi Lagarde is worthless It's just it's a distraction to what the US banks in particular Bank of American Citibank the power they will have with

2:03:31 these derivatives being able to be kept in separate entities, so that if something collapses, then they will have to be bailed in, bailed out, whatever you want to call it. He says, when it goes down, the system will be stable, but yes, one bank will be completely wiped out. And that's whoever is, you know, odd man out in the musical chairs at the time. He says, this is going to be so good for us. And I thought it was refreshing to hear that. Well, I've always been under the...and as you know, I've always been under the impression and of the opinion... That we should be pumping 100 times more money into the economy right now. Well, that, yes, that's one of the points I continually make over and over. But the other one is that somehow in these financial games, we always win.

2:04:22 Somehow, we always win. I mean, that's what...we only do...of all the countries in the world, we're the only ones that think, talk business, that's all we do, and also military stuff, as Eric was pointing out the other day, he was saying, how would...you know, we're talking about the warthog getting refunded. It's like, what other country would citizens just roaming around, just aimless everyday citizens even know what the warthog was? We all know what it is. Everybody, you know, because that's what we do. The complete lost slaves that are doing nothing more than watching honey boo boo stuff. And even that's canceled. That are already in, or clued in.

2:05:02 know about the war in Hawaii, know about all this stuff. And it seems to me that we always win these battles. Now, I forgot a couple of things. We have to at least discuss this. This is the clip here is India and Russia. Russia, of course, is still somewhat baffling to me why we've just taken such a dislike to Russia, Putin, I mean there's a lot of people that hate him. Putin! But none of it seems to be working. So Russia has, and I think this has always been a mistake. I don't see any reason why we can't continually

2:04:22 Somehow, we always win. I mean, that's what...we only do...of all the countries in the world, we're the only ones that think, talk business, that's all we do, and also military stuff, as Eric was pointing out the other day, he was saying, how would...you know, we're talking about the warthog getting refunded. It's like, what other country would citizens just roaming around, just aimless everyday citizens even know what the warthog was? We all know what it is. Everybody, you know, because that's what we do. The complete lost slaves that are doing nothing more than watching honey boo boo stuff. And even that's canceled. That are already in, or clued in.

2:05:02 know about the war in Hawaii, know about all this stuff. And it seems to me that we always win these battles. Now, I forgot a couple of things. We have to at least discuss this. This is the clip here is India and Russia. Russia, of course, is still somewhat baffling to me why we've just taken such a dislike to Russia, Putin, I mean there's a lot of people that hate him. Putin! But none of it seems to be working. So Russia has, and I think this has always been a mistake. I don't see any reason why we can't continually

2:05:38 do business with Russia and we're the bad guys in the Ukraine situation. We do continue to do business with Russia, but just on our terms, which is under 90 day financing. But they don't like the sanctions and the rest of it. So you know the deal with the play the India and Russia clip so we can catch up to what the Russians have been up to. India and Russia agreed to significantly boost energy cooperation this week. During Vladimir Putin's visit to Delhi, the sides signed a number of ambitious agreements worth about $100 billion. First of all, Russia has agreed to supply India with 1 million tons of oil annually. By 2017, India will start receiving 2.5 million tons of liquefied gas per year. However, it's India's atomic sector that will get the most impressive boost as Russia will build up to 24 nuclear power stations in the country.

2:06:30 On top of that, the Indian Prime Minister reiterated that Russia remains its most important partner in the defense sphere. However, the dean of India's Jindal School of International Affairs believes it's high time for the countries to diversify their cooperation further. They're doing the same in Turkey. Russia is also going to build a reactor in Turkey. Right. If you play RT analysis on Russia sanctions, you get that part of it. Russia's isolated. That's the message Western politicians and media are sending, but I'm not so sure. Today for instance, they clinched a huge atomic deal with India to build 12 nuclear reactors in 20 years. Plus, Russia will be shipping oil to India.

2:07:11 That's not enough to prove Russia has friends, I know. But what about Turkey? Moscow and Ankara agreed to build a major pipeline connecting both countries as an alternative to South Stream, plus deliveries via already existing Blue Stream pipeline are going to be expanded. And let's not forget about China. $400 billion gas deal by the Bear and Dragon was sealed back in May. The deal was boosted just a couple of weeks ago. Right. Which is why I always say, I think the United States elites and Putin are playing on the same team and they're all invested in, this is the way to China and India and whatever. It's... It could be. It almost seems that way. I'm not going to say that's not a possibility. Yeah. But this Ukraine thing is completely out of control in terms of the politics of it. They have this thing going on now called lustration.

2:08:07 And this isn't reported at all in American media that I can spot. But lustration is the... In fact, here, play the lustration clip number one, just lustration. The EU was branded as very bad. A new law in Ukraine that bans former officials from power. European constitutional experts said it shouldn't become a tool of revenge over political opponents. Ukraine now has three months to review it. Here's Murad Gazdiev. Lustration, noun, a policy of cleansing a new regime from the remnants of the past and Ukraine has taken to it with abandon.

2:08:48 In September, Kiev adopted a new law which all but declares open season on former officials, police, elected representatives, and even clerics. It reportedly bans more than a million Ukrainians from ever holding a government job. However, if you're an American and you've been running a hedge fund for USAID, we'll give you a passport and you can be the finance minister. Bingo, boom, shakalaka. So, they showed in this clip, they showed like some poor guy who happened to be in the old government. He was talking to some news reporter and a whole bunch of gang thugs grabbed him and started beating him up and they threw all these guys in a trash dump. You never see that. I saw the pictures. That was a while ago, but you never see that on TV.

2:09:36 the media here barely funny yeah they threw me the trash dump and they like a dumpster and then they close the lid and pound on the thing and then they throw tip it over Or set the thing on fire. I don't know if he was killed because the thing is burning. I'm pretty sure he got out. This is all going on as we speak. Leaving them prey to mobs and vigilantes. The street violence is scared even Kiev with the interior minister. urging people to restrain themselves. A few more lynchings and broken faces, and I fear Europe and America will turn away from us. Don't behave like savages. Ukraine is a European country. No, it's not. And he was right to be worried. Alarm bells are ringing in Europe. It's reached all the way up to the European Commission for Democracy through Law, which has issued a scathing condemnation.

2:10:36 According to a leaked transcript, it says lustration may only be practiced if guilt is established individually. Wow. How can we screw this one up even? This is... Well, we didn't. There's this lack of realization that Ukrainians are crazy. There are a lot of Nazis. They were the ones on the German side in World War II. It's a corrupt country. I think some of our State Department representatives colluded with the crazies. That, I think, is true. Yeah, maybe. But dumb, stupid. And this is crazy what's going on. Did you notice the lynchings? They're hanging these guys. So part of this or a large portion is the money that is...this country is about to go seriously, seriously broke. They can't pay back anything. They can't pay back the IMF. There's no way for them to pay

2:11:33 Gazprom. The whole thing is collapsing and the EU said, oh yeah, well, okay, we gave, I guess the United States gave them a Ukraine a billion dollars a note or whatever it was, which I'm sure went straight to Gazprom. But there's nothing, there's no money. This place is in a complete and utter meltdown. And I think we, I'll just say we, the elitists of the State Department, Kerry and Newland and the Kagan's, they're walking away from it. They don't care anymore. Now it's Turkey. Screw that. And by the way, did you hear what happened just last night? No. Erdogan shut down, he's shutting down any press

2:12:21 that he doesn't like, let's put it that way. Anything that he feels is related to Gulen, Fertella Gulen, our CIA guy who's living in exile, and they're arresting journalists and they're shutting down the television stations. And this is a preemptive strike. We've had things happen before, but now he's just going in and arresting the news people. Well, the Ukraines are too. In fact, I switched to France 24 to get some balance here, so I have everything on RT. And play this clip. This is Ukraine censorship and this guy is on the... there's a show called... we have one station that's all France VanCat.

2:13:01 And there's one thing called the debate and they have this one guy's getting grilled and it's a pretty good level of grilling that you won't hear in the United States but play Ukraine's censorship story. Machine by Russia. So we have to counter this influence. Oh stop stop. We talked about this on Thursday by the way. Yeah we did. This is a good clip though. This is the ambassador from the Ukraine to France. our view about the situation. But why don't you trust Ukrainian journalists to tell the truth? Why do you need a so-called Ministry of Truth to check whether what is being said is indeed true? We trust Ukrainian journalists, many of them are professional, but definitely their effort to project our view of the situation on the ground is to

2:13:59 be given up, supported by the government resources. It's not a matter of control. It's the matter of making this message more efficient, making sure that it reaches the ears and the eyes of Ukrainians and people in the West. I'd like to ask you, what did he even say? Well, we have to make sure it's a good message. Yeah, well, of course. And I just want to get this last clip out of the way, which is this is the same guy, I believe. And this is the thing that I think has got everyone worried. This is the NATO. Oh, yeah. The intentions of these new these, I don't know what to call them, Nazis that took over Ukraine thanks to us.

2:14:49 I think they're living in a complete dream world because this is never gonna happen, this NATO, joining NATO. But they think it is and this is the NATO-Ukraine clip. One last word on NATO. The president of Ukraine recently declared that he wants his country to join the alliance by the end of the decade. He says there will be a referendum, of course. Now you know that Germany is against the idea, France is against the idea and this is an red line for Moscow. Aren't you shooting yourself in the foot when you're making such declarations? Not at all. It's easy for me to talk because I have been consistently pro-NATO sort of person. I think that NATO is with all deficiencies, difficulties

2:15:33 confronted by the alliance is the best collective security organization in the world and the only one which can guarantee Ukraine's territorial integrity and real sovereignty. At the same time, when people speak about irritating Russia, irritating the bear, they actually do—they quite often now forget the situation cannot be worse than now. Okay, I want to lay a couple more pieces on the table and I want to ask you a question about this. So Ukraine is clearly a set up for a battleground. I think that it would be a good place to do it. No one cares.

2:16:15 I hate saying it that way, but just well then I think that some of Europe cares because so much gas goes through Ukraine from Russia. So that's where we get to the second piece, which is Turkey. Now, the thing about Turkey, which is not really. discussed much is how they are not participating in the so-called war against the degradation of IS, IS, IS, IS, whatever you want to call it. In fact, quite the opposite. They are flowing fighters through to go into, because they hate the Kurds, the PKK, which is also part of what Syria has always, Syria has always been their issue.

2:16:56 This is a very fertile ground for something really to take place and what I want to ask you is there a comparable situation to what we're seeing now with Turkey, with perhaps with Ukraine, but certainly with Russia and the EU and the US, to previous large-scale conflagrations such as First and Second World War. Is there anything that comes close to it? And what would the trigger mechanism be that we should be looking out for? A Prince Ferdinand? A guy like that, showing up, getting randomly killed? Oh really? That's all it would take?

2:17:37 Well, the way things are going, you don't know what it's going to take. I mean, they've been lynching guys, they've been killing people. The Ukrainian situation is completely out of control. We don't get any reports of it in the United States, even though we were the ones behind it, essentially, and I said the word. Yeah, something could trigger it. I don't know what. I think we're still in the process of rebelization. I think we've pretty much just made Ukraine horrible. And I think Turkey, we tried already once and maybe, I don't know if we can, what are we going to do there? I don't know. I, there's these things when they happen, it's like, ah, should have spotted that. I think it's one of those things that's so obfuscated by all the crap going on and you know, the oil and the gas and the

2:18:22 phony sanctions and all the rest of it. I don't know. It makes, I think it's, I think it's a smoke screen. We probably should be able to identify it in advance. Well, we, the two of us should be able to identify this trigger mechanism in advance. Okay. I think the trigger mechanism is assassination of Erdogan, which you said is pretty much the only thing left that would trigger something. And depending on who pops in or we have some kind of military takeover, that would, that would be the one I'd think. Well, it would definitely cause a problem. Yeah, there's that. I'm going to show my support by donating to KnowAgenda. Imagine all the people who could do that. Oh yeah, that'd be fab. On KnowAgenda. On in. By the way, I think that was already in the red book. We're just waiting. Ray, I want to thank a few people for helping us on Show 678, including Ray Metz of Aquarium Services in San Diego, California with a 1-2-3-4-5.

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2:25:12 So, we got our birthday list here. Let me just roll it out for you. Sir Chris Spears, he'll be celebrating, we celebrated yesterday. Happy birthday to him. Jack Schroeder says happy birthday to his son Eric, turned 16 today. And Sir Otaku, way to go! in advance. Congratulations to you, sir, on December 31st from all your buddies here at the best podcast in the universe. Okay, we have a couple title changes, sir. Don Tommaso di Toronto becomes a Duke today. This of course will all be in the Peerage map, itm.im slash peerage. Sir, Norman McDonough becomes Baronet. McDonough? Did I say that right? McDonough?

2:24:15 I want to thank all these folks and remind you we do a show on Thursday. Hopefully we can even out our donations a little bit. That'll be show 679. Of course, we also have a lot of people donating under $50, some for anonymity, lots of them on monthly programs. I wanted to read this quick little note from Ryan and Moki. Today we donated $39 because it's 12 plus 13 plus 14. We don't quite have a grand for us or anyone else, but we appreciate the hell out of your work. Love from Ryan and Moki. P.S. And your head is gone. I don't like that, thank you. I appreciate that. Ah, good list and we have a lot to take care of. We've got one, what do we have? One, two, four nightings today. This is great. When it rains, it pours, John. Yes. Dvorak.org slash N-A. It's your birthday, birthday. On Noah's birthday.

2:25:12 So, we got our birthday list here. Let me just roll it out for you. Sir Chris Spears, he'll be celebrating, we celebrated yesterday. Happy birthday to him. Jack Schroeder says happy birthday to his son Eric, turned 16 today. And Sir Otaku, way to go! in advance. Congratulations to you, sir, on December 31st from all your buddies here at the best podcast in the universe. Okay, we have a couple title changes, sir. Don Tommaso di Toronto becomes a Duke today. This of course will all be in the Peerage map, itm.im slash peerage. Sir, Norman McDonough becomes Baronet. McDonough? Did I say that right? McDonough?

2:25:52 McDonough, McDonough? Yeah, McDonough, McDonough. Sir Hank becomes Viscount of Queens, New York along with all its rights, lands and privileges and Sir Alan Bowes becomes Baron of British Columbia. Thank you all very much for your courage and for supporting the work here which we do with great pleasure. Okay, one, two, three, four, my goodness, bring out the big blade. I got mine today. There you go. All right, London Foley, step forward! Patrick, come on down! Rieschmeister along with Stan Salisbury, all of you now become knights of the Noah Dinner Roundtable and I'm happy to pronounce thee Sir London, Sir Patrick Order of Pugner.

2:26:33 Sir Reishmeier of Divide by Zero and Sir Stan of Kingswood, for you gentlemen I have Root Beer and Pepperoni's Pizza, Okra's and Blow Rampoids and Chardonnay, Das Eckes and Dutch Dominatrix, Pornstars and Pot, Bad Science and Perky Breasts. We got Hot Pants and Booze, Bong Hits and Bourbon, or Sparkling Cider and Escorts with Mutton and Mead. Please go to noagendanation.com slash rings. It's possible that you may not get a confirmation email immediately, But I think Eric is working on that and we did put the big order in for replenishing all the different sizes. So once you do that, then it'll be on its way to you. Thank you. This is a great way to head towards Christmas. Great to see all these new faces at the round table, especially Sir London now.

2:27:18 at the round table of the knights and the dames. Fantastic. Let me, I've got to do one thing which is the karma, a couple of special requests for everybody else who was on the list there. Oh my god, that is amazing! Jobs, jobs, jobs, and jobs. Let's vote for jobs! You've got karma. There you go. Rolling out the karma. Let me see. Have you seen all the latest ISIS bull crap? My God, these people are relentless. It just doesn't quit. That's because they're social media experts. Now they have... I just caught this on CNN. They have a rape and sex slave manual.

2:28:10 And whenever you want to go and find this stuff, this is all found by sight. You recall this group that we analyzed? The ones who do make these things up. Yeah, as far as I'm concerned, they are indeed the ones that do this stuff. So, because when they say, oh, we found this on some ISIS, you know, jihadi websites. I can never find the jihadi website. Don't they put the link in there? No. And they're so incredibly good at social media. Well, it's hard for me to see anything that's really out there. But OK, I guess I'm wrong. Now here is the report on this, and this whole thing is so bogative, but they, and this is kind of the new thing now is whatever happened, of course we don't have footage of, you know, two Ospreys landing and a hundred team, team, SEAL Team 6 guys going to get the hostages and them getting found out by a guard peeing against the wall. No, we do animations of everything.

2:29:09 Everything's animated. We've got everything. And so now we have this guide, which is... They should have that Japanese group do it. You know, sometimes it looks like that Japanese group that does the Steve Jobs stuff so well. All the joke things. Yeah, all the joke things. Yeah, jokes. So this is now, we're not looking at a website. We're not looking at a document someone is holding. We're looking at an animated page turning thing that is in Arabic and I guess that means it's the manual. ISIS militants have released a guidebook on how to use young girls as sex slaves. In it, ISIS justifies child rape, it offers tips on capturing and punishing young girls. Tips!

2:29:51 This is an S&M club? Tips! What is this? Tips! Just yesterday, armed men handed out this pamphlet that they call Questions and Answers on Female Slaves and Their Freedom. Hey John, do you have a- I have a couple of questions about female slaves and their freedom. Do you have any tips? Not yet. After sunset prayers in Mosul, our Ian Lee has more. This isn't really a surprise. We've known this has been going on for quite some time. But what this gives us is another window into the ISIS organization. The ISIS organization? I guess they have these in the back of the Toyotas. This 27 point brochure really just details the rules for rape and abhorrent things like raping prepubescent girls. And really my impression from this is that

2:30:35 that these fighters, these people do not view their captives as human beings. They are property to be dealt with, to be used and abused however they like. One of them was lucky enough to escape and talk to our Ivan Watson a while back. Take a listen. Okay, so now they have a... you can't really see if it's a girl or a woman. The whole face is blurred out. It's really... You really can't see anything. She's speaking and you can't hear because there's a voiceover. And this is now going to be the proof of what is going on to accentuate the, I guess, the reality of this brochure with tips. They came to the room and looked around at the girls, and if they liked one, they chose her and took her. If the girls cried and didn't want to leave, they beat the girl. The guy who chose me was 70 years old, and he took me to his house.

2:31:25 There were four Yazidi girls there already. I didn't know that ISIS had 70-year-old guys. I haven't seen those in the Toyotas anywhere. I have not seen any of those in the Toyotas. They hit us, and they didn't give us enough to eat or drink. They told us we were infidels. He put me in a room and put a gun to my head and I was on the ground and he said I will kill you because you won't convert to Islam. That night they came. That seems to be the common theme everywhere, doesn't it? If you don't convert to Islam, we'll chop your head off, we're going to rape you. This is the continuous message. He came and took an 11-year-old girl away and when she came back, she told me they raped her.

2:32:05 Reading that pamphlet also there was another point and it said that the greatest sin for one of these slaves is to escape from their master sending a very dire warning and to get an idea of the kind of people who are buying them take a look at this video this shows a room full of ISIS fighters they are getting ready you're literally seeing a handy cam footage for a bunch of guys going the that these female slaves are living through. So I, of course, assert that this is all propaganda. I have seen no evidence, no evidence of this being. And another piece came out, which was, this is one of these things that only really works when you are making an audio clip of it. And I was like, oh, of course. So there's a new report, new video of an ISIS drone flying above Kobani.

2:33:10 and showing that they are in control. And then the drone zooms down and then we're following some, apparently some ISIS guys. They have the, you know, they have the clean, very clean camos on, you know, not dirty at all because it's all brand new material, brand new stuff. They're wearing the balaclavas. So that's all kind of par for the course, but we're in baklava's balaclavas. What is it? I didn't say that at balaclavas. Okay. Usually I say baklava that not today And what you're seeing is just three different sequences. One guy shooting a bazooka or an RPG, what we used to call a bazooka, now it's an RPG. One guy just standing in the open shooting and of course we're pretty much parallel to him with the camera. It's not a good place to be if some guy is actually shooting at someone who's shooting back. You're not going to be standing right next to him with the camera, but okay.

2:34:05 Then we have a guy inside a building with a huge tripod mounted machine gun, a .50 caliber, and he's just shooting through the wall. This is just people shooting. We see no anything coming back or whatever. You always see these guys. However, they have sweetened this video throughout the whole thing with this sequence. Listen to it. So you hear this machine gun fire in the background with a ricochet. And one ricochet. And one... pew! So it's literally... It's a ricochet kind of thing. These are all stone things. Now this is... I don't... This to me is a sound effect you can probably find on some sound effects CDs. Yeah, I'm sure you can. Now if you listen to this whole 45... 45 second... um... report, which is not a report, it's just video, starts up in the so-called drone. You're hearing this thing over and over again in the background.

2:34:59 Just to spice it up in between all of the staged firings. Oops, there it is. Let's ricochet. Pew! Another ricochet. Rerack the loop. It's the same loop over and over again. Yeah, the same ricochet. Yeah, now you got the firing in between, but listen. In the background, continuously the same loop. This whole thing is produced from beginning to end.

2:36:05 And they're playing this on television like, oh my goodness look they've got a drone. And this is, this was really... Endless crap that were fed by these people. It's horrible. Well, there's a new outfit, which is very interesting. And this is some, another business... Where did you get that clip? That, well, it's, it's online, but it's been played by everybody. I've seen every, every CNN, MSNBC, everyone's been playing it because it starts with a drone shot or who knows why they think it's so cool, but it's produced. It's clearly produced with sweetened audio. Here's something that showed up on CNN, just a story, a random story, but it was very interesting for a number of reasons, not just the analysis but also the group that did this analysis.

2:36:52 The title is ISIS brutal beheading video search for clues. It was a killing choreographed for maximum brutality. The simultaneous beheading of 22 Syrian captives held by ISIS. This was a part of the larger video of the most recent so-called beheading of who was the guy that I think that was not Foley. Now the last guy I can't remember. Yeah, I don't remember. It'll show up here. In November, ISIS released a propaganda video titled, Though the Unbelievers Despise It. It featured the apparent murder of an American hostage, Peter Kasich. Very good. Peter Kasich, known as Abdul Rahman Kasich, after his conversion to Islam. Of course, we tied him back to USAID through all of these different non-profits. And he was a badass. He was a ranger. And the mass killing of what appeared to be nearly two dozen Syrian soldiers.

2:37:45 The US-based terrorism research organization TRAC, Terrorism Research and Analysis Consortium, and UK-based counter-extremism think tank Quilliam have analyzed the footage frame by frame to understand the video's production techniques, the identity of the hostages and their killers, and the visual significance of such calculated brutality. This is actually very good because we have said this, but they went a step further. Here are some of their findings. The video would have cost at least $200,000 to produce according to TRAC. Similar to a feature film, the video features multiple takes using high-definition cameras to create images of a professional quality.

2:38:27 Nearly all the killers appear unmasked and are clearly identifiable. There are 22 ISIS fighters of varying ethnicities and nationalities, all wearing the same camouflage uniforms, which are spotless, I might point out. They are led by the militant known to be in the British press as Jihadi John, the masked fighter with the British accent. Only one of the killers had been identified. A Muslim convert for France. Here we go. Lighting and shadows reveal the video was shot over a four to six hour period. The video was shot in multiple takes and contained several inconsistencies. The order of the killers and prisoners in the lineup switched in several places in certain frames. Fighters are seen chatting with one another, apparently passing time between takes. Two of the ISIS fighters wear clip-on microphones but their audio is not recorded. It's possible their recorded messages were either cut out or have been saved for a future release. Yes, for the director's cut.

2:39:21 Three of the killers have been edited out of the video, seen only in transitional sequences. This includes a fighter in a balaclava, the only mass militant other than Jihadi John. Track believes the second mass militant may be acting as a body double for Jihadi John, someone who acts as a decoy in case of an airstrike." And this was a very good analysis because we looked at this video and it is truly of Hollywood epic proportions, which of course now can be done if you have $200,000. You can certainly create something that looks really scary and of real high quality. And... I was hoping you could do it cheaper. Oh, we could do it cheaper. We got lots of people. You know, it's just the... It's catering. That's... that gets expensive. It's the craft services. That's the word I was looking for. Craft services. I'm sorry. Craft services. So I went to look at this track outfit.

2:40:16 These guys are pretty interesting. I have a promotional video which I'd like to play of what they're all about. You ready? I'm all ears. The world of political violence and terrorism studies is constantly evolving. Groups and their leaders rise to power and fall. Alliances are formed and destroyed. Tactics change and motives shift. When you're studying a subject that changes this fast, you need reliable expert sources, concise analyses, breaking news updates, and one place to find it all. You need track. How good is this? Wow.

2:41:07 as well as expert scholars, government and defense personnel, and media professionals. Track researches and archives difficult to find resources that Google and other search engines fail to recognize. Group profiles act as nerve centers of information, continuously monitored and updated to reflect changes such as new selves, factions and groups as they emerge from this ever-evolving arena of political violence. that puts all these things together and they sell it to CNN, obviously, and probably to some governments and think tanks. But wow, these guys are making assumptions and putting stuff in here. And this is run by the Beecham Group. Are you familiar with Walter Beecham? No, no, keep going. The Beecham Group.

2:41:59 And they say they have 2,800 experts who live and report from terrorism hotspots worldwide. And then it just lists pretty much everywhere. It's an intelligence gathering organization, probably financed by MI6. Founded as Beachum Publishing, the company's acclaimed title spanned the impact of climate change with Beachum's Guide to Endangered Species and Beachum's Guide to Environmental Issues to topical issues in literature to important societal concerns with the Encyclopedia of Social Change. Eyes on these guys! Well, you lost me. No, I was listening to see if you had anything to say. Oh, no I just got an internet connection thing crap. Oh It works. Okay, so you have to repeat the question. Oh, there was no question I was just I read the other things they were doing. Did you hear about the the beach? Okay. Yeah, they're Seem to be pretty broad-based. Well very focused on social change climate change terrorism Each profile doesn't make any sense

2:43:10 Well, it is if it's going to be touted as a reliable source and is going to be used by the media and think tanks. It's a source of bull crap in, bull crap out. I think these guys are taking over from the site group. I think we have to probably the same. We have to look into this a little deeper. Something's up with these guys. Yeah. Well, the Beachum publishing, that's about as deep as I could get. on who they are. The other names don't mean anything to me. The individual names. Well, it's definitely not the usual suspects that we see in these US groups. No, no. Completely new. But Walton Beach, Walton Beacham. And then we have Arabinda Akaria. These may be Indians. Who's Varian Khan? I mean, the editorial director. Let's say guys first, what's Beacham's name? Walton. Walton. Walton.

2:44:11 Hmm. Uh, you, you know, uh, Varian Khan. Is there a wiki entry on this guy? I don't know. LinkedIn. Yeah, I see a lot of, they're all on LinkedIn actually. That's interesting in itself. Here's Varian Khan. We'll get the Varian Khan. This is a woman. Oh, wow. She looks badass. I'm looking at Beachum in the Wikipedia or the LinkedIn. Yeah, what is there? He has funny pictures He's off to the side and back lit came from the Georgia Institute of Technology, Georgia Tech Huh president of the beachroom group LLC, Florida area publishing. Is that a publishing company? Hold on a second that other outfit was also from from Georgia the guys who financed

2:44:57 the academics for peace who financed the Peter Kasich outfit, also Georgia. Interesting. He's been, this Beeson group has been around for 30 years, since 85. Specialized in encyclopedic scoped, scoped, scoped, I don't know what that means. Reference books and databases, databases, is what you said. George Institute of Technology terrorism forum. He's on the terrorism forum on LinkedIn. I should join that Yeah, join it. Let's see if I can get in I'll play the rest of this video while you're getting in includes a snapshot of key figures names and aliases areas of operation ideologies targets and tactics

2:45:48 quickly and easily linked to articles of associated activities, targeted regions, related groups and more. And TRAC goes further, providing risk assessment and counter-terrorism strategies for 92 countries that are most vulnerable to terrorist attacks. TRAC's intuitive search function lets you find the information you need faster and easier. Filter your results by information type. This is good. This is good. This is really good. All right. Well, it's another just another thing. Just another one of those popping up. Terrorism group. You're requested to join the terrorism group has been received. You can adjust your settings here. You adjust your settings. Hey, Pocahontas is now being touted as the superstar.

2:46:35 Night, you know, this is was all predicted over a year ago by us. That's well by you specifically. I'll play me You were not arguing about it two clips here from probably all NBC or MSNBC But the liberal wings newest star senator Elizabeth Warren was pushing back to this is not about partisanship This is about fairness. All right, that's That was NBC, here's Chris Matthews, hardball. Let me finish tonight with this revolution in the Democratic Party that we're witnessing tonight. Revolution. If Senator Elizabeth Warren is able to whip the party in defeating this monstrous spending bill, if she is seen as the key crusader against Wall Street in this grand test of power, it will set the course for the months and years ahead.

2:47:20 And that didn't happen. No, of course not. It's just a lot of talk. I've noticed this with Elizabeth Warren. She's a big talker, but she doesn't accomplish anything. Big talker. She's a big...oh, consumer...oh, student loans. Here's our big topics. Student loans. These poor students are getting ripped off. So what? Nothing changes. Oh, consumer protection. Oh, it's horrible nowadays. It's horrible. Nothing changes. No. Oh, this bill's no good. Nothing changes. She's, she's a light. She doesn't do, I don't think she even tries to do anything. I think she's just a populist. trying to get votes. She creates great sound bites. Yeah. She creates great sound bites though. They make for good sound bites. Yeah. Euroland for a moment, lots of stuff happening in the Euroland zone. I actually had a couple things here just to mention. Here we go. What do we have? Ah yes, big protests in Italy, anti-austerity measures, of course. People are broke and hungry.

2:48:22 Norway now requiring ID at border crossings with its neighboring Scandinavian countries because we have to be afraid of, obviously, of the Islamic State. And Spain now telling people to shut up. The Spanish parliament has approved a highly contentious bill that puts major restrictions on citizens' right to protest. The law limits protests to authorized rallies. It makes all unauthorized gatherings punishable by fines of up to $745,000. The measure has been fiercely criticized by opposition politicians and activist groups.

2:49:02 Several lawmakers tied up their mouths in protest as MPs debated the bill. Opponents say the legislation violates the right to protest, limits the freedom of expression and gives more power to police. They say the measure simply undermines democracy. Spain has been hit by a wave of demonstrations and strikes over the past months against the government's austerity measures. Yeah. Because people have nothing to eat. In Italy, 43% unemployment amongst the working capable group. Of course, a lot of those... Italy's a mess. Yeah. Well, if Italy goes down, then there's a lot... we're going to have a lot of problems in the EU. It's just... I don't know. Well, that's why they're drawing attention to Greece. To Greece? Yeah. Greece has fallen apart. So all they're doing is looking at Greece right now to distract people from Italy. Oh, you mean... Okay.

2:50:03 Yeah, Greece bought to go bankrupt and now they're back on track for thinking about getting out of the euro. The whole thing is a reset, a complete reset right to where they were when we started talking about them like over a year ago. In Hungary? There's something screwy about Hungary. It keeps cropping up in the news. It's not like I didn't predict this. It's in the book. We've talked about Hungary being on... What did you say? Where's the book? I don't have the book in front of me. I'm not gonna start thumbing through the book. Just tell us what you said. It said, look for regime change in Hungary. Oh, yeah. Yeah, I remember. And Viktor Orban, he is the president or prime minister, I think, president. He has now called for

2:50:46 Prime Minister, here's the report. The Hungarian Prime Minister who has vowed to remake his country into a quote non-liberal state. I don't know why anyone would say that. I want it to be non-liberal. Of course he's a... What does that even mean? Cozying up to Russia as the AP reports here. Oh, okay. They're doomed. Called Friday for a mandatory drug testing of politicians and journalists. It's been... That's great. Interesting. And then this was the Tor blog had funny, very strange posting. So Tor of course is what we believe to be a completely compromised so-called identity concealing system. Obviously we know who it's financed by which is a lot of from the US government.

2:51:46 And they posted a solidarity against online harassment statement, which I found to be very strange coming from Tor who you would think they're all about free speech no matter what it is. Speech is free and you should be allowed to say what you want to say. That would be the idea. Here's what the... It's a long post, I'll just read the opening. One of our colleagues has been the target of a sustained campaign of harassment for the past several months. We have decided to publish this statement to publicly declare our support for her, for every member of our organization, and for every member of our community who experiences this harassment. She is not alone and her experience has catalyzed us to action. This statement is a start.

2:52:28 And then... We will no longer hold back out of fear of uncertainty from an opportunity to defend a member of our community online. We write tools to provide online freedom, but we don't endorse online or offline abuse. How can you... How can Tor be saying this? They've been compromised. Well, people need to really understand this. We know that online harassment is one small piece of a larger struggle that women, people of color, and others face against sexism, racism, homophobia, and other bigotry. Isn't the whole point of TOR is so that free speech can continue? It may not be nice speech, but it's supposed to be. It's not about nice speech, it's about free speech. Big difference. So this is the real compromise. I think this is very, very, very

2:53:21 Telling. Maybe it's code. What do you mean maybe it's code? Maybe it's code for something else. We're just reading what it says, but maybe it says something deeper. I don't think so. I think, okay. Well, I don't think so either. I'm just saying maybe it's code. I'm just giving him the benefit of the doubt. We work on anonymity technology because we believe in empowering people. This empowerment is the beginning and the means, not the end of the discussion. Each person who has power to speak freely on the net also has the power to hurt and harm. Oh, you hurt me. You said something nasty to me. Hey, Sticks and Stones might break my bones. Yeah. Remember that with the politician from, was it New Jersey? Said, Sticks and Stone, you have names calling does hurt.

2:54:08 Merely because one is free to say a thing does not mean that it should be tolerated or considered reasonable This is tor that is odd. I think that's a screwball thing you found right ran into well. It's on okay It's not it's on the tour blog. It's there. I'm just saying I think it's screwy. It doesn't make sense the whole thing isn't is it's Makes you wonder and they have it on what the hell's going on with you guys And they have a huge list of everyone who has signed on to this statement must be a couple hundred names here I guess all people who are somehow involved with Tor. Well, I wouldn't be using Tor if you expect- I wouldn't be using it. We already know you shouldn't be using Tor anyway. I have only one last clip to play, so I have whatever you have. I don't know if you have anything. I have two. Good. Good. Let me play mine, then you play yours, and I'll play- I'll finish. Ooh, big finish.

2:54:59 Alright, let's start and let's get this out of the way. I think we should at least report it for people driving around in their trucks and you know, listening to the show. We should at least bring them up to speed on the Greenpeace fiasco. Greenpeace, whose mission is to protect the environment. has been accused of desecrating it. It's over a stunt that involves leaving a large message next to a giant set of land sprawlings in a desert in Peru. They show you the site in question right here. It's almost 2,000 years old. The 93 meter long depiction of a hummingbird which is considered very sacred in Peru. According to some researchers the A mystic, gigantic image could have been created for religious or astronomical purposes by ancient artists. However, it looked rather different after Greenpeace activists left a message beside it. It says, time for change, the future is renewable, but the message ended up backfiring. Access to the ancient area is strictly prohibited. Not even the president is allowed to set foot there without permission.

2:55:57 And Peru's culture minister called the stunt a true slap in the face of everything that Peruvians consider sacred. In fact, the authorities are so angry they've filed charges of quote attacking archaeological monuments, a crime that carries up to six years in prison. Yeah, they mean well. I hope they have the nerve to put those people in prison. They mean well. I mean, they're mean they're idiots. I mean well. Yeah, next thing their next target is the Stonehenge They're gonna knock all the things if they can get past the barricades and the fences back in the day man You could just lean up against the Stonehenge take a photo. Yeah, it was fun. Yeah, all right. You're up Oh, I thought you were gonna do it two in a row I did want to mention I just saw the quarter in my eye the lower third chiron on CNN Sony hackers promise a Christmas gift

2:56:51 This is great. We're getting a Christmas gift. I can't wait for the Christmas gift. People must be shitting themselves. Oh, what do you think? Oh, no. You're right. They're freaked. Oh, man. What are we going to do? This is from NPR. The drone operators, a lot of them are millennials. who are running drones and these are two-man teams. NPR had a very long profile of a female. She didn't fly the drone, but she operated all the stuff on board. And I just thought it would be interesting if you get bored of it. I only have like, it's like minute 47.

2:57:38 I cut it way down as far as possible. Listen, if you think this is interesting, just to hear a millennial talking about her job of killing people and how she deals with it. And I know a couple of people who have gone through this, who listened to this program, but this was just kind of, I don't know, nothing hugely revealing other than, oh, wow, crap. Taylor greets me at her suburban home. She's pretty. She wears makeup and eyeliner, peach nail polish. She has dove tattoos on the inside of each wrist. And though you might think someone who bombs places by remote control is like a gamer or something, video games actually make her sick. Those first-person shooter type things, I get kind of motion sickness. I always wanted to be an FBI profiler, so I joined... Don't you love the up-talking? The airport. They're flying the drones, man. ...into the intelligence portion. It was 2003, around the start of the Iraq War.

2:58:33 She was assigned to what was then a small Air Force program, just about 50 young men and women who learned to analyze images gathered by predator drones and act on them. So yeah, I had no idea what I was getting into. There was no press about them really. There was just what you heard word of mouth through the community. The military drone has two operators, a pilot who flies the thing by remote control and a sensor operator who manipulates the cameras in the missiles. Taylor trained as a sensor operator for six months at a base near Las Vegas and then just like that she was running missions. It was intense because you're these 19 year old kids who've never had any experience in war or anything like that and you're getting trained how to

2:59:20 you know, blow things up and be responsible for million-dollar equipment flying over countries that you've never even heard of. Is this a great country or what, John? We got 19-year-olds running the show. This is fantastic. They're not even protected by military law if anyone decided to go after them. The stress of even just practicing doing it was It was a little overwhelming, you know, worrying that you're going to mess something up and, you know, messing something up could mean blowing up the wrong house, targeting the wrong individuals, following the wrong cars, you know, things like that can make huge mistakes. And wait, because of course we know this is, you know, we had the killing Tuesday meetings where the president sits with his little team there and decide who they're going to kill today with the drone.

3:00:10 And they terrorize these kids with that same fact. When it comes to gathering intelligence and things like that. Higher-ups were watching. They decided who to follow and when to pull the trigger. But still, the stress was immense. You would have people saying, all right, the president is looking at what you're doing right now, so don't mess up. Oh man! You know, I actually believe it. I believe the president is sitting there watching the killing. There are some other people that believe this too. This is almost over of course. How do these millennials deal with it? Seriously. They would tell you stuff like that. So a typical workday, maybe Taylor's snooping on insurgents in Nigeria or bombing terrorists in Afghanistan and then

3:00:51 Her shift ends. She walks out of the control station and she's in Nevada ready to go home or go grocery shopping or as Taylor says turn the beer light on. We would all kind of drink because you can't talk to anybody else you know everything you're doing is classified and you know whether you did something that you were really proud of or you just did something that is leaving you walking around with the you know, a thousand yard stare. You can't talk to anyone except for the people that you just did everything with, like your crew. So you kind of bind together and drink a lot and yeah, that's pretty much how you deal with it. It's going to be a great generation. They're all, they're drunk anyway. This is so sad. I know it's really sad. Yeah. And when we were bitching about rectal rehydration,

3:01:45 Man, what's gonna become of these kids? Our kids! The only last thing I have is apparently one of the MPs was caught playing Candy Crush during one of the meetings where, you know, this is Miliband in Parliament, where they go... Yeah, and Cameron are yacking at each other and they're screaming, and everyone's like, yeah, yeah, yeah, here, here, here, here. And this guy, like a lot of... Like that? And that was going on and so this guy's playing candy crush and for two hours apparently and somebody took a picture of it and other guys in deep shit until of course they started thinking well maybe this guy's okay and what we should do is look into the guy who took the picture. All right, of course. Very funny story. Well the shamed MP won't face any action but the person who took this picture could lose their job.

3:02:40 The House of Commons has launched an investigation because taking such photos breaches parliamentary rules. Although some MPs say holding an inquiry is pointless and nonsense. In any case, media commentator Neil Wallace says MPs should be focusing on the more vital issues at hand. I think you can laugh at this. and many will but there is an underlying serious point isn't it? This is a guy who's been elected to Parliament, he's been paid a lot of money, he's sitting in a very important committee actually and I'm afraid if you can't go into a debate in the Houses of Parliament and actually sit and listen, if instead you're playing computer games, well

3:03:20 You don't really deserve to be there. What disturbed me far more is that the idea that instead of kicking him off the committee, they're trying to find the person who told the rest of us how this guy is taking our money, taxpayers' money, to sit there and play computer games. Exactly! Yeah. You sure it wasn't a native ad for Candy Crush? Ha ha! If it was, it got me. It was a good one. Got me. Ah, Thursday I've got... Let me see... Project Maelstrom. Working on looking at that. And it's always fun, you know, the rest of the media will be into their lists, year-end lists. Oh yeah, yeah. We're at the end of the year now, it's gonna be all Christmas stuff. Right, and we will have original content.

3:04:10 Content like for the only ones who do this we try Actually will point out probably a couple more native ads that you're gonna all be suckered into because I was kind almost suckered into that toys-r-us thing and then and I yeah, yeah, yeah suckers saved yourself Yeah, yeah, you're doing to it today, right? Yes. I am good. I'll be fun. They can long drive. Yeah, I Okay, everybody. I hope you derived some value from today's show. We've got a lot for you. Show notes at 678.noagendanotes.com. All the archives, archive.noagendanotes.com. Coming to you from FEMA Region 6 where we honor the sequential numbers. In the morning, everybody, I'm Adam Curry. And from Northern Silicon Valley where we're slipping and sliding, peeping and hiding, I'm John C. Dvorak. We'll be back on Thursday right here on No Agenda.

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