Strategic Patience

00:00 Throttle them. Let's throttle them! Let's throttle them! Adam Curry, John C. Dvorak It's Thursday November 13th 2014 time for your Gitmo Nation Media Assassination Episode 669-er This is no agenda Enjoying the cyclogenesis here in FEMA Region 6, in the capital of the drone star state Austin Tejas. In the morning everybody! I'm Adam Curry and from northern Silicon Valley where there's a strain li- strain? Ah never mind, I'm John C. Dvorak. Don't drink before the show, man. I drank water! What did you want to say? There's this strange liquid falling from the sky... Called snow?! I don't know what it is. It's raining as we speak. 34 degrees Fahrenheit here in Austin

00:51 Wow, nice. By the way the high in Denver was minus nine. This is the... well first of all this is global warming obviously no doubt about it and I was listening actually I was watching Michio Kaku Oh I hate that guy You don't really hate him he's entertaining because he's a goofy He's very goofy and he said full of himself at two years. Yes, that I don't know. I dislike well of course so he's always on the CBS morning show with Oprah's girlfriend and Charlie Rose who was drunk still. Yeah, Charlie. I think we should drink it. The guy is making so much money on that show. That's why he's drunk

01:36 He's just tired here's you gotta give her four in the morning to do that showing you earlier No, no You have to be there by 4 for his hair and makeup And I know he might not live in the city if he lives in the city. It's okay If it comes from outside but he's up at 2 minutes Okay, you gotta get up a 3-2 30 230 most people get up at 230 this is no life. I've done morning radio shows In the morning radio show, you can just fall out of bed. You don't have to do hair and makeup and I've smoked my first joint before I was in the studio but still it's a very challenging life because you really have to go to be at eight And I had to sleep in a separate bedroom Yeah! You can wake everybody up

02:20 All right, here's Kaku on talking about this Arctic blast. CBS News contributor Michio Kaku is with us He is a physics professor at the City University of New York Good morning Morning Tell us exactly what this is Well Superstorm Nori packs more energy than Hurricane Sandy Oh it was not a hurricane you A-hole Sandy was a superstorm. It was never classified as a hurricane, but this had more punch! Hell breaks loose. It's gonna collide with a jet stream pushing Arctic air all the way down perhaps as low as Florida Now remember the polar vortex of last year? Yes, you had to come up with a new bullcrap line Did he say said polar vortex and laughed does he think that's funny yes Because he knows that this is bull crap And they've just come up with a new name because you can't if you could if use a polar vortex again last time it was A mistake by the way I don't think all hell has broken loose

03:24 It's cold, but all hell has not broken loose. What kind of hell are we talking about? I think we're flying to New York tomorrow and no one is freaking out. No hell has broken...it's cold but hell hasn't broken loose. Well it's been cold before. Pushing arctic air all the way down perhaps as low as Florida! Now remember the polar vortex from last year? Yeah. Remember that bowl crash?! This is different there's a name for this. That's geek talk for when pressures suddenly drop, when you have hot air cold air colliding like what we're gonna see over Canada and the American Midwest plunging temperatures perhaps three degrees below normal. I looked this up this bombo genesis mumbo-jumbo yeah and it is really just a different new word for cyclogenesis

04:17 which is rapid or extreme... but they changed the word because they like the word funnier. Yes, it's funnier. It's funny well really it's rapid or extreme cyclogenesis which is characterized by barometric pressure drop of 24 millibars in a 24-hour period so what but he's he's the polar vortex was That word was an explanation of what happened with the jet stream and why the weather changed. Bombogenesis, or extreme cyclogenesis is not an explanation for why it's happening it's just a name for the result. You catch my drift? Yeah no he's just mixing his analysis... He can't actually... Just to sound good Well he can't actually give an explanation for it

05:08 I think that's what it is. This is what it is, it's called Bombogenesis but he can't actually tell us why and we know he can't use the polar vortex because that was an anomaly all part of climate change global warming man-made global warming Plunging temperatures perhaps three degrees below normal. Wow, so what are the best and worst case scenarios? Well in the best-case scenario it simply means take out your rubber boots and mufflers and just hunker down. In a worse case scenario... Shelter in place! It could mean a deep freeze. It means airlines cancelling flights left and right. They don't have to cancel a flight for cold weather

05:47 It means transportation being disrupted, train schedules being disrupted. People's schedules are being thrown a kilter so we're talking about a massive disruption which will peak around November 13th to November 15th. That's today John! It's peaking! But really? It's peaking?! I'm peaking! The rest of November. Wow, how long are we thinking this is going to last? She said three months. Alright, I am looking at the top stories today...I do not see transportation, I do not see airlines thrown off kilter, I see extreme storms of Uranus as a headline. Yeah they gotta get this guy off the air. It's just that well it makes you go UGHH

06:35 through the rest of the month and into December? Well it peaks mid week next week so expect several days a pretty miserable weather. Miserable! But then ripples, ripples will probably be with us for the end of the month. So does that mean that our winter is going to be horrific and we should just hide now Well, it means we're gonna have another episode of the polar vortex and you know used to it because Because it's going on here now It happened every year forever changing and it means that on average. We're gonna see more violent swings All right professor kaku with the bombo genesis So I'd of course is

07:17 It's all kinds of nutty stuff. This morning I must have gotten four clips off of CNN and this is a short one, and then i'll get off of this bull crap... So now we have a Republican-controlled Congress both the House and the Senate. That's the reason for the weather! Well today the House I think is debating the KeyXL pipeline. Now of course, you know this is what you want to do when you have pro pipeliners in the majority in both houses Well, they don't until January. True but this is just the conversation they're getting started No As far as I know that won't that woman that got that Mary Landrieu whose guy has a runoff coming Yeah She's decided to jump into the fray she sent her and she's the one who's pushing it in in The Senate because right now is only time all the only time they can block it Okay, God, okay make sense makes sense well Carol CNN

08:17 CNN.com slash CarolCNN Facebook dot com slash Carol C and N of course the woman I can never see again She had an end, you know anymore Yeah, right well she had Robert Zimmerman on who of course is a democratic strategist and Ron Christie yeah, I think he was an advisor to George W Bush so the typical left-right bullcrap But what I found interesting is listen to Carroll CNN, facebook.com slash carrollcnn when the 98 or actually global warming comes up and the Christie guy says that the earth has been cooling for the past decade which as far as i know from the evidence I've seen is true

09:05 It is at best a general stop in the rise in temperature, and we're talking very infinitesimal amounts. But everything I've seen says it's cooling. Is this the same you're seeing Professor Dvorak? Well if you look at the actual Here's what gets me. You get one group that has these numbers and the number show it schooling, and then the other group has different numbers. Can somebody decide on which numbers we're supposed to be looking at? But from what I can tell nothing is going on." Okay well regardless Carol's response is just as a journalist or news reader, a news model maybe we should call her that. The problem is Ron's friends in Congress the Republican members don't believe in climate change and for that matter they don't believe in science! The new energy... What? ...the new environmental chairman James Inhofe says God handles the climate it's not up to us get involved with that Well we believe in science but we don't believe in global climate change you're absolutely right because the planet has actually cooled over last decade now gotten warmer

10:06 I think we will agree on come on. Come on girl here we are now that we have 98 98% of scientists agree. Yeah, she's got more 97 out of 98. Oh yeah. 98% of scientists who are falling into 2%. I don't buy the 98%, figure at all. Who is your source Rush Limbaugh? Is this the argument they're throwing at us? Yes. Yeah, is this your source Rush Limbaugh? That's it well here's what's interesting to me is that you know I still would like to get into the bottom of the hole. Hold on who was your source Rush Limbaugh yeah

10:55 Here I'm listening to O'Reilly. Oh, who's your source? Can I say this? Who is your source O'Reilly? All right Well if my sources are Riley had been the wrong side of the argument Listen to this and tell me there's not a little subtle propaganda O'Reilly slips on this idiot He'll who's like you know presents he supposed to come on to analyze the Republican victories And he's from some red stays a blogger no excellent administration In China, President Obama has announced that the USA and the Chinese will work together to cut carbon emissions thought by many to provoke global warming. The president calls the agreement historic others say it's a huge con

11:36 Joining us now from Macon, Georgia Eric Erickson who runs a conservative blog redstate.com first of all are you a non-believer in global warming Mr. Erickson? Oh I think the world's been warming and cooling for several billion years so i would put myself in the natural phenomenon camp Alright so you feel it's a cycle of nature but carbon emissions have nothing to do with it if they have something to do with it in miniscule. Okay, now you know that runs counter to most scientific opinion and you know he is an opinion as I always say You can't prove it one way or the other nobody can prove this so it's foolish to get upset about it So here's what he does

12:14 He slips in this most scientist. The other guy who was obviously a dummy should have said, well are you familiar with the petition of 30 thousand actual climate scientists that say this is bull crap? The petition that was presented before Congress and ignored the position the petition that was discussed in that White House. The guy who ignored it. That's what he should have said, because there is no evidence. And then of course on our own show you showed that the 97% number was derived in a very bogus fashion from Rush Limbaugh

12:51 And this is what's going on. This is the discourse, the discourses there are 30,000 people that have signed... I think it's 31 by 30 or 32 thousand a lot? Well over thirty thousand let's say. Thirty thousand of these guys and then the other side which whose argument is Rush Limbaugh! And it's just beyond me, and then O'Reilly is in on this. Of course we've always questioned his real motives. Here it is. It is 31,487 American scientists including 9,029 with PhDs. Actually I'm going to read it to you have it right here We urge the United States government to reject the global warming agreement that was written in Kyoto Japan in December 1997 and any other similar protocols

13:39 The proposed limits on greenhouse gases would harm the environment, hinder the advance of science and technology and damage the health and welfare of mankind. There is no convincing scientific evidence that human release of carbon dioxide methane or other greenhouse gases in cause or will in the foreseeable future caused catastrophic heating of Earth's atmosphere and disruption to Earth's climate. Moreover There is substantial scientific evidence that increases in atmospheric carbon dioxide produce many beneficial effects upon the natural plant and animal environments of the Earth. That's pretty, pretty well written and it's the...and you can't. Well of course it was the oil companies that bought these guys off! Uh-uh uh-uh you got to say it right. KOOK BROTHERS!!! Right? The makeup of this let me see 3805 scientists trained in specialties directly related to the physical environments of the earth

14:38 Computer Mathematical Sciences, 935 of them who signed this. Physics and Aerospace Science 5812. Chemistry 4822. Biology and Agriculture 2965. This is interesting...and all the names are here petitionproject.org All right, so I'm sorry. Didn't mean to interrupt you but i don't think actually look that one up. That information? That's all good stuff! Making my point for me Rush Limbaugh It's astonishing to me that they allow this Well, it's astonishing that... Lack of debate and knee-jerk reaction. We have a number of listeners that every so often stop listening because we bring this up one too many times for their taste because they cannot get out of this way of thinking. No. They can't. You know open mindedness is just impossible. This is a good one. This is one of the best things I've ever seen. And I've never seen anything quite this effective. Something else happened thanks to Al Gore. Yeah well initially yeah

15:42 The Climate Science Legal Defense Fund has hired a new executive director. The Climate Science Legal Defense Fund is excited to announce the hiring of Lauren Kurtz as its first executive director and she is joining from Deckert LLP, top-tier law firm where she was a litigator There she served as project manager on a high-profile $3 billion litigation initiative. She represented commercial and individual clients on cases involving freedom of information FOIA requests. Hmm, she was hired by the board directors after a widely publicized summer fundraising campaign to grow the Climate Science Legal Defense Fund from an all volunteer organization to one with full time professional staff. Man there's gotta be Koch brothers again

16:39 Well, that's interesting. Well this brings us to the China agreement which Obama is... Yeah! Which was... I have a couple clips. Oh, I just wanted to read a quick email from one of our producers who is in Australia and this is relevant because everyone's going to Brisbane right after all this China stuff for the G20 And it's confusing and problematic for Tony Abbott, the prime minister who has just abolished all carbon tax and is very much against the climate change position from the 97% of all scientists. This G20 is not supposed to be about

17:30 just about climate change, but because of this so-called agreement the entire media in Australia is all like, oh it's historic we're going to be saved! But whoa we had the wrong guy running the ship. These things are never without reason you know? There's always something going on... So Obama goes to China and he makes an agreement with Ping who whose agreement apparently is, well actually we can play a clip that kind of explains it. Let's play the China climate deal doing nothing clip for starters. How significant is it when you put together today's deal on climate change and yesterday's deal on trade given the state of relations between the US and China?

18:21 Well, certainly I think yesterday's deal on tariffs on information products is very very important. This is going to affect American business in a very direct way and if it indeed is implemented in the WTO's Information Technology Agreement next year this is a major win! I'm not so sure about climate change deal though because China's commitment was pretty vague in the White House fact sheet, and also the Xinhua news agency in their release didn't talk about a climate cap in 2030. So I got to make sure we got to make sure that there really is a deal here and indeed doing nothing for 16 years as Mitch McConnell says—and I very rarely quote Mitch McConnell but you know doing nothing for 16 years is politically unsustainable not only in the United States but in other countries as well

19:11 Did the report say informational material? There was two, you're talking about that first degree. Yeah yeah That was the day before they agreed on some sort of IT information so we could do something about terrorist computers and stuff like that it was different And that, what he thought was good. The second thing which is the agreement with the climate change that Obama thinks is so great...is the Chinese...the agreement from the Chinese perspective we're not doing anything for 16 years and then they claim it will naturally start to drop. Meanwhile of course then we can't have any of this sort of debate. So let's bring in the hagiographer Glenn Eiffel.

19:55 with some guy from I love Princeton and now it would the backdrop we always have to remember the backdrop for the last. I would say close to 20 years Every year has been that last chance before we won't be you're gonna be irreversible I got it's gonna be irreversible We've been hearing this every year remember the yeah, remember the was at three was a 350 or 360 org Right two parts per million right so Gene, Sir Gene here in Austin. He has one of those online weather thingies and you can go on and you can see what the conditions are inside his house and outside his house. Inside his house? He's got like a thousand parts per million of CO2! I call him sometimes... Are you dead? No but he is ruining the climate just at this house. Yeah it's the snakes

20:48 That's funny. What are we playing? So we're playing a China Gwen and the apologist re climate change. Whoo, okay good Michael Oppenheimer is one of the many authors of the UN reports on climate change and a professor of geosciences And international affairs at the Woodrow Wilson School at Princeton University Welcome back to the news hour Thanks for having me how about How big a deal is this deal? This is huge as far as I'm concerned. Huge! And there are basically three reasons, one the science. The science tells us that to have it... a chance of avoiding the climate danger zone, we've got to get the world's emissions turned around. That is going down instead of going up sometime in the 2020-2030 time span. The Chinese benchmark here of 2030 is consistent with that objective." Allow me to read something just interject this... Climate Danger Zone? ...Climate Science Defense Fund hired this top lawyer. All right you've been looking at that stuff listening to my clips. No I'm listening your clip. Yeah go on

21:48 At least I'm not clipping my toenails. I don't never clip my toenails like I should Let me get this down. ClimateScienceDefenseFund? Yeah, dot org This organization was started to quote climate researchers are in need of immediate legal assistance to prevent their private correspondence from being exposed. Oh my god! A good catch. So yeah... This is about ClimateGate Yes They're worried sick that there's another smoking gun out there showing that this is a scam For the individual scientist... They put a top lawyer on it, so if anything happens you will be in court. The scientific method is designed around the belief that skepticism is good. Results should be subjected to the utmost scrutiny through the peer review process followed by close examination and replication by others in the scientific community Those whose ideas do not live up to the standards of rigorous science have instead chosen to litigate

22:48 For the individual scientists, these legal actions are a painful burden. Especially when it turns out you lied! Academic salaries were not designed to support ongoing legal expenses." Okay I get it yes protect through a strict legal framework... Yeah that is the smoke screen for what's going on which is... And they got a big ass lawyer to come in and do it okay good yeah and I'm sure that That lawyer will be able to do what's needed. And then you like they mentioned went from a volunteer organization to a bunch of pros, yeah? Yeah that is a big difference! Alright I'm sorry it didn't...it's important

23:27 to do. All right, so I think... We got Gwen. I'm not complaining. Okay what's next? Yeah so Gwen comes out with this guy who thinks everything is great and he goes on and on and says yeah well the Chinese won't be doing anything until 2030 but we're still within the climate change zone. Climate change zone! We're in the zone So meanwhile, other guys are going way this is crazy. You know we can't let the Chinese not do anything for 16 years and that's some sort of an agreement? And they're not even gonna do anything then! Anyone can agree to not do anything?! Yeah all right... That is a scam. Uh yeah well well deconstructed

24:04 There was some interesting other little things that came out of this, as people started analyzing the deals with China. The one that was interesting is this one I never knew this...this same guy This is the clip China internal strife. I don't know if we're familiar with this Yeah, it's going to be very important to see how China implements the agreements that it reached. And I actually think that the political system now is in distress. You know everyone says that Xi Jinping has quickly consolidated control in Beijing but there are too many symptoms of problems including the failure to dispose of the issue of Zhou Yongkang, the former securities are and also this continuing series of loyalty oaths on the part of flag officers which seem to be a symptom

24:50 disagreements in the People's Liberation Army. So, Xi Jinping I don't think has the consensus to be able to deal with the international community on an acceptable basis. And we saw this in that really deplorable handshake with Japanese Prime Minister Shinzo Abe, where Xi Jinping just breached one diplomatic protocol after another. I think that shows there's real problems in the Chinese political system that they can't deal with a neighbor in an acceptable fashion. Can we stay in the Asian region for a moment? Well, you might as well play my last clip which is the counterpoint to this guy. Which is some woman who used to be I guess on the George W or HW Bush staff as an internationalist of some sort. She's now professor at UC San Diego which is not the highest... It's the military. It's the farm team.

25:50 JV. This China ladies discussion, this is interesting she was really long-winded by it cut her down found something kind of interesting and that raises another interesting point but Susan Shirk I do want to get your sense of these internal pressures and how they're playing out on Xi and how you think this relationship moves forward between the US in China Well, I do think that Xi Jinping has been very much focused on domestic threats to his power and maintaining the Communist Party in power despite

26:28 the dramatic changes in society and economy over the last 30 years. So, you see this contrast between what looks like a very confident Xi Jinping and confident China on the world stage with a very nervous Xi Jinping in China about the potential for domestic unrest but I think she did well for himself by handling this meeting so well, looking like you know enhancing China's status as a responsible big power and that is going to resonate domestically as well. Just quickly... Posturing thus. Yes she did well for himself it was just a great sentence. She is a Clintonite from the Clinton administration

27:21 Oh, Clinton. Okay. You're right. Yeah I remember. Okay staying in Asia the first clip this is we on the previous program which we will discuss probably in our Christmas episode We did some live deconstruction as it hit me during while we were talking about the release of Bay and Miller from North Korea It hit me that this guy who I had seen just out of corner my eyes Sugarman David Sugarman And we actually researched it on the air, on the show. It turns out he's a sports agent and this kind of explained why he might have been involved in trying to get Kenneth Bae back. Now Kenneth Bae...

28:04 I'm learning a lot about this particular little thing that happened. He owns a travel company, and although the State Department and the officials here... Did you say the Straight Department? Yeah but that would be wrong! I think i said The State Department That would be wrong We'll just call it The Strait Department from now on he had organized the Dennis Rodman trip Oh, okay. You stayed on this idea? Yeah yeah no I stayed on it like a hot potato! I stayed on it for a reason got a big surprise got a really big one for you. I've got information man new shit has come to light! Got some good stuff for ya and Sugarman was along for the ride because he represents Kenny Anderson who went to North Korea with Dennis Rodman

28:57 And this guy, Bay organized the trip. But the straight department portrays him as a missionary who tried to overthrow the country by placing Bibles... something like that. Right, that was one of the things I believe it was...the other guy wasn't...one of the guys who's an out-and-out missionary, the other guy left The Bible. Well there is some new information on the other guy, the Miller Kid as we'll call him. So here is a quick report on Sugarman who says something very interesting that he feels that he is responsible for for the return or at least partially, he doesn't claim full responsibility. He believes he's partially responsible for the return of Bay as he had... well, he really did the rounds! He went to this straight department, he went to Hillary even Charlie Rangel I'm not quite sure what Rangel has to do with it but you know i don't know

29:52 And also, well listen to the report. For exactly two years now tour guide and missionary Kenneth Bay of Washington State has been imprisoned in the North Korean labor camp system suspected of trying to overthrow its government and for nine months New Jersey sports agent political activist David Sugarman has been pushing for his release after reaching out to Bae's family in meeting with them in New York today they told him ecstatic I mean, they can't wait for him to come home. Sugarman led a social media campaign on Twitter and Facebook today he could celebrate by posting we did it we did it we brought Kenneth Bay back I am in tears crying right now We did it! I can't believe it And the family statement this ordeal has been excruciating for the family but we are filled with joy right now our Thanksgiving celebration this year will be one we will never forget

30:40 Sugarman met with everyone from former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton to Jesse Jackson and Congressman Charlie Rangel. And he took this selfie with the North Korean ambassador to the UN who called him this morning... He said to say thank you And did you? I sure did, yes. No one can say for sure why Bae and the other Americans have been released though there is some speculation North Korea is worried about against it by the International Criminal Court says former US ambassador to South Korea Stephen Bosworth There are ways in which they can communicate with us largely through their mission to the UN in New York Which is referred to as The New York Channel

31:17 As for Sugarman, he says he may have been just one part of an effort by many to bring Bay back. Okay... Let's stop. The New York Channel? Bullshit! And you'll find out why But so this guy is saying there's the New York Channel Well wouldn't a New York channel be Don? and interestingly enough I received an email from Uncle Don who says, looking forward to seeing you guys on Monday. We're going to New York tomorrow and we'll go up to Armagh to see him on Monday, him and Meg. He says I was interviewed... As you know Don can't get he can't even walk on a set of any mainstream media news program because he's not onboard with the message And the message is evil frightening scary crazy

32:10 So he did this interview. It was some local public radio station, and I think so Don said I believe is what he said in his email? I believe you may be able to use some clips on your show Why's promoting himself for as a clip yes That's actually a step in the right direction Let me read it verbatim hold on a second. I'm gonna read his email really it was I was kind of blown away Um let's see what he says here Here it is Adam, this interview ran 20 minutes. It was excellent! I've already had a call from someone at UCLA who wants me to speak at a forum." You may find some use for this on your podcast in form of clips. Looking forward to seeing you here... He actually must listen to the podcast once an hour he wouldn't know about the clips. Looking forward to seeing you here at Three Ponds. Okay it's code. Code So i listened to this interview and I posted the full interview on The Show Notes so I pulled a couple clips from

33:19 And I started to understand a little better what had happened, and we have to go back to October 28th when the United Nations released their Human Rights Report. This is the—I believe as Don will tell us correctly this is the genesis of what happened—as the United Nations released a 372 page report detailing brainwashing, torture, starvation imprisonment for crimes such as questioning the system or trying to escape it or secret Christianity in North Korea. And they were and this report says we should call Kim Jong-un into account and we should haul him before the criminal court! It is Don's belief in some follow up emails that this

34:13 request for release came directly from Kim Jong-un. Let's just start with a little bit of background and these are all reasonably short, I try to make them as short as possible about the gulags and this Miller kid apparently the Miller Kid was a journalist I'm pretty sure he was a spy and he was there to document the gulags. Right? Yeah, good idea! So yeah so uh... He had to be taken... Well i think when we talked about this last show that we determined he was a spy Here's Don now Did he go to Berkeley by any chance? I don't know I think that the entire issue of the gulags and the prison camps is a matter of high sensitivity to the North Koreans.

35:01 Or I introduced Ambassador John Il-Hong of North Korea to the Council on Foreign Relations, where he spoke on the record about human rights in North Korea. He took a lot of flack from human rights activists there because he had been told what to say by Pyongyang and he could not really answer their questions to their satisfaction. But it was very clear that a matter of great sensitivity to them was the possibility that the UN might take action to try to indict Kim Jong-un for crimes against humanity due to the conditions in the gulags. So I don't know

35:43 anything about what the young man in North Korea was doing, but if they thought he was going to try and get into a camp that would be a matter of great sensitivity to them. So there's Don even before the report came out with the report that the ambassador was already trying to run interference for this report... Yeah they knew it was going on. Okay here is The New York Connection Which now a reminder that Don was the ambassador to South Korea, but he was also there during the Korean War Vietnam war. He's been around yeah over 100

36:20 I've made six trips to North Korea and in February, four of us all representing PCI went to North Korea and heard from them what their economic development plans are. and have heard from them that they needed help in developing these plans. So we've been trying to be helpful on that. And after the meeting on the 20th of October with Ambassador Jang, I took him to dinner and said you made it clear that the prisoners have nothing to do with the human rights issue in the North. I was glad to hear that. And I said this is absolutely the time to release those people

37:03 And so yesterday, when I heard they had been released, I sent him a note congratulating him. And he responded an hour later and said thank you very much. We talked about that, and I tried to do what you suggested." So that's the kind of communication we have. It's offline. I have no feedback whatsoever from the Obama administration, and I had none from the Bush administration. I've had no feedback from anybody in the White House since I started going to North Korea. But I think it's been worth doing. And PCI now, I think, is a fairly well-trusted entity by them, and I think they talk fairly freely to us.

37:43 Pretty off the Brooks. He's gone rogue Yeah, he is and the PCI that's a That says what is it? The project...that's the think tank he's in. Okay, so it's a NGO? No, it's not an NGO. It's a think- It's a front. It's a think tank but a business...it's a business front for sure. Sure. What's the...no, I'm saying it's a front. Yeah, it's a front. Project Concern International they changed the name to like Pacific something or other doesn't matter. But it's a front is what's... He's not doing this completely outside of the system. I don't believe...I mean just make sense. Well hold on!

38:24 I'm sure Obama's not, you know. But they got their own just street department. Okay let me skip ahead one he's going to talk about his trying to, I think he talks about the...well let me try this one first. So the question of course is why does a former CIA guy, why is he interested in going to North Korea? So Donald Gregg, I'm sure there are people in our audience who were wondering now why a former CIA officer would feel compelled To feel that there's a need to communicate with North Korea and to get beyond the demonization which seems to be very popular in all... You can already see why Don wanted do the interview of this guy. British accent, sounds official. No one will ever hear the show except people are gonna hear it through us exactly. Political and journalistic circles

39:24 What a wonderful question. That's that's a new, that's a variant by the way instead of great question. That's a wonderful question we should use that I love the fact you asked me that and the answer is very simple i'd rather talk to them than fight them. I was involved for four years in the war in Vietnam which we never should have fought And I've observed, you know, what happens when we do demonize foreign leaders. It costs us. And we certainly have demonized Kim Jong-un, calling him into question from the moment he appeared. The North Koreans think very highly of him. When I last went there in February this year they—a

40:05 The vice foreign minister of foreign affairs said the sky's the limit under Kim Jong-un. They think very highly of him. And I think this decision to release the prisoners comes directly from Kim Jong-un, and I think it's the kind of decision he's going to start making. He's going to be around for a long time. I think we need to help him understand us better, and I think we need to understand them better than we do. For more than a decade, I've called North Korea the longest-running failure in the history of American intelligence." And that's how you stay off CNN Don! This is not how you get on the news! "...and I feel like it applies to intelligence organizationally and also applies to us intellectually."

40:48 Now he's going to talk about the previous times he has gone to the White House, bearing a personal message from the leader of North Korea for the president. And this was George W Bush and Don was Republican. He converted to Democrat and voted for Obama. He is not very happy with his decision I don't think at least he's indicated that to me. Anything but John McCain! And yeah, so when you are Don Gregg and you have a message from the leader of North Korea... A handwritten note delivered to the president what do you think happens? With Bush?! Yeah W. By the way he was the national security advisor for W's dad for H. Right back in day.

41:40 What would he do? He'd probably table it, stick it in a folder and say I'll get back to you. It's worse. I've been particularly disappointed that Obama seems to have inherited some of the worst tendencies of the Bush administration for that reason. I hand carried to the White House in 2002 a written offer from North Korea from Kim Jong-il to restart talks and I was in and out of the White House in 20 minutes when Carmelita Rice's Deputy said, oh no we won't talk to them that would be rewarding bad behavior. He was kicked out by Condi's assistant. Assistant? Whoa! Nobody could help you get Mickey into the country he has been marginalized.

42:27 here. And we have now something called strategic patience, which is essentially the same thing. We're sort of hoping that North Korea will implode and they're not going to implode. And the longer we don't talk to them, the stronger their nuclear deterrent becomes. The North Koreans have made it very clear to me that they want to talk to us but that until we sit down and really talk to them without a lot of preconditions, they're going to continue to strengthen their nuclear deterrent And so I think the longer we wait to talk, the deeper the pit that will have to eventually climb out of. Nat Malkus Well, it's definitely an important clip and it tells me something else during the Bush administration and continuing because he does make the mention that this...whatever the policy is, I don't think he's aware of it. And I don't think we are either there is something going on there or some plot afoot

43:23 there is some scheme. It either has to do with the South Koreans, it has to do with oil, it has to do with the Russians, and something we aren't aware of...it's almost like hidden alien spaceships. A few people know what it is and nobody else does! And that's why he got sh- you know? We don't care what these guys say, we have something in mind that we're not talking about get out!" Well yeah so of course the Chinese don't want it to fall apart because they you know, a million North Koreans walking into China. I did see a note today that Lockheed and Raytheon are going to sell 1.4 billion dollars worth of missiles to South Korea so it's always good to

44:04 make the neighbor country afraid of... Right, so you can sell a lot of bull crap. Which y'all, it lasts about two years and then you gotta buy another couple billion worth. Now when we see North Korea portrayed on our mainstream news it's always nuclear power who have a crazy kid on the button. I think North Korea is walking around goose stepping. Yeah. Here's Don. I think North Korea is not a nuclear threat to anyone. They know that if they used a nuclear weapon, they would be obliterated but as you say if they get them others will be tempted too and there are right wingers in South Korea who are already talking about developing nuclear weapons something that I had a hand in stopping when I was chief of station there in the mid 70s. So this is part of the plan?

44:58 junk to South Korea. It's just making, make of me that it is keeping my, we don't want any peace." You know that is the simplest explanation which is usually the best explanation there's a lot of business to be done selling crap to South Korea and if they, if everything was funky dory between the two countries and they got away from the armistice you know they signed up actually finished the war and they would There's some... something else interesting that I'm reading. I think maybe that's all there is to it, except no! Well there's a timeline check this out The US is scheduled to hand over command of South Korea's wartime defenses in December 2015 so missile defense capabilities are vital

45:50 In June, Bloomberg reported PAC-3 and Lockheed's longer range terminal high altitude area defense system known as THAAD were among the missile systems that South Korea's military was eyeing. It's a sales job! It's a fucking sales job. We get out, you know we take-we're turning it over to you now YOU have to buy the gear! Yeah. Because until then we were buying our own gear right? That's what it seems like... yeah so we turn it over now we're gonna just doing ya a favor and then you have to buy the gear that we used to bring in for free but make sure yeah but make sure you really afraid of those guys up north with the crazy kid goose stepping around

46:27 It's a complete and total scam. Two more clips? And the public, by the way is all in on it. Well then we don't know any better because this is the guy who I trust more and...and the fact that he has been marginalized in the media is...his book! He's not getting on CNN or Promoter's Book like everybody else. Because they won't have to book him. Pot shards. He's probably on...well there's that. There's a uh..there's probably a blacklist Yeah And by the way us playing clips on our show is not helping his career

47:03 I don't think it's hurting it because nobody at CNN listens to the Noah Gent, the show. Let's play two more. There are probably a few lesser producers who do and then they sneak some of this stuff in but they won't admit it. It's like driving around listening let's bring back Rush Limbaugh if you put Rush Limbaugh on your radio and turn up you're not going through a drive-thru at McDonalds with that playing. No one is gonna do it now So what Don is... I like this, almost done this next bit. He does say that it's a totalitarian regime and he says... Singapore by the way! Yes we love Singapore

47:44 And he's explaining how you deal with them and how you make things change. And when people ask me why I keep fooling around with the North Koreans, I say not only I'd rather talk but fight. My experience is that totalitarian regimes and North Korean is a totalitarian regime, they change only when they see that it is in their interest to change. That happened after Nixon reached out to China and it also happened after George Herbert Walker Bush and Gorbachev worked together to bring down the Berlin Wall. And changes took place.

48:24 And I think changes need to start to take place in North Korea internally generated. So, these talks with the North Koreans about their human rights problem are very valuable if it translates into actions which they can take on their own volition within their society to make it less repressive." He said reprehensible. That's what he was going to say. Well, I'm going to ask him about this PCI thing. I want to find out what they're doing. Yeah, I think it's a business front and he wants to help businesses get into North Korea? Well here is what you got your pen? I have some questions. Oh, whoa hold on! This calls for an outline

49:09 I have like one question maybe two. You said a few questions, okay. Questions. They're leaving pretty soon so I have to get to three of my questions. All right shoot shoot shoot shoot. Well the one I really want to know is how serious is North Korea about creating a tourist destination? Yes well that was on my list too. Okay. Creating a tourist Destination which seems to be the businesses that are getting in okay, and that's question number one you are yep You're on the list too And I was they why he doesn't really go into much of an explanation about this character who were the two guys That were taken that would set subsequently released Why wasn't I can understand why they grabbed a spy uh-huh is it was just too obvious? Yeah, but why the other guy. He was responsible for the basketball thing good

49:57 Why, I mean it doesn't make sense because that guy would be seen as a good guy. He set up the basketball game with the Koreans versus the NBA players and all of that. Right right right. I mean, I'm almost imagining since it's a totalitarian state. Now this is just the comedic thing but i'm imagining they get the guy says you were very good bringing those basketball guys over You now work for us! Could be... I mean that does-I mean that's a movie script Yeah No, it's a James Bond story. But what I don't want to work for you? I have a wife and family back no no You work for us now you bring more basketball you stay here in you very luxurious hotel you stay you know I think I think you're right and probably It was done out of the goodness of someone's heart like hey our fearless leader likes his basketball crap Let's get me on let's get this guy on doing more of that

50:52 And that backfired. Yeah, why else? Why else was the guy grabbed? He's a known person friendly to the government right there was actually a subtle fear of mine if I could get in with Kim Jong-il yeah for the wine first and he said you're very good with wine you stay here recommend one on daily basis You label everything now give rating put down year of expiration. Now, as much as I like Don, the straight department and of course he was often listed as a civilian in the straight department they're all in on Putin being crazy revisionist Russia

51:37 And the last question was about Russia, particularly as President Obama was going to get his arm rubbed up by Putin there in China. Funny captions by the way if you look at my Twitter feed. Did you see that picture of Putin rubbing Obama's arm? No. Oh it's very cute kind of sexual in a way strange. I'm sorry they asked me... Never mind. It's a joke in there. Don't worry about it So the question I think was, hey what about China and Russia? Is everyone being played or Russia and China are now teaming up together. What's the word? At the conference that I attended in the UK a couple of weeks ago there were some very intelligent senior Russians

52:21 with whom I talked and I said, look. I fought you guys in CIA all through the Cold War but I have huge amount of respect for Russia. Can you imagine? He actually did! Hey, I'm sure he did. Motherfuckers! I fought you! And if this century is going to be any better than our last we have to find ways to work together on certain issues and they said well we would agree with that but you've got a very difficult situation with Putin who is totally in control and has reawakened the minds of the Russians their hope of sort of international clout and grandeur. And so we have a real problem coming there, and what role Xi is going to play will become clearer to us all I think after Obama sees him on this trip to Asia. Hmm...I actually like how he characterized that. I can believe that Putin has awakened something in the Russian people not necessarily revisionist Russia of days gone by but i can see where there's a patriotism

53:27 Well that brings me to an odd clip. Okay, that's all I got on Don Much. Oh! I've got a couple of Putin clips here about you know they had about Ukraine of course uh let's see if i can find it and unfortunately made too many clips. Uh... Russia? Ukraine playing in golf Ukraine Woodruff? I think it's this one This is the Al Jazeera's report on the Ukrainian situation where they bring on a guy who... this is a little different take on things. This is that the Russians are actually encroaching and they're lying about it only for the Russian audience, they don't give a crap what we think.

54:07 Moscow's position since the fighting began in eastern Ukraine is to insist that it has no military role in the conflict. So, the defence ministry has dismissed General Breedlove comments calling them alarmist and anti-Russian It's a message probably meant more for domestic ears than foreign ones Most Russians have no desire to see sons and brothers die fighting in Ukraine So pretending that there are no Russian soldiers, as long as the level of hostilities allows such a pretense. Well that's what Russia is going to be doing, we're going to deny it." With fighting intensifying in recent days, the ceasefire agreed in Minsk appears to be dead. Both the rebels and the Ukrainian army are preparing for increased hostilities. We're seeing more power coming into the hands of terrorist groups than Russia. We see all their movements, their positions and of course we're waiting for them to act. How can we react to their acts? I see it as my aim is to be ready to fight

55:09 Now this dovetails into a clip I have, but i have a question which is the one I ask consistently. Why would Russia do that? For what reason for to what end for what good? For what?! Well why would they come in? Yeah! Why would they send in... This and it's not just for the Russian audience CNN is all over this. Russia Russia Russia Russia Russia It's all you hear all day long Russia Russia Russia Why? Does anyone say why, what is the point of this stupid ass country which not really... They're only in a... If they're in. I think it's possible that they are in only to be as a defensive measure because the Ukrainian army is going to come again and start rubalizing the place which if we consider the fact that what they've been doing... It's defensible yes. Those two little outliers just those two areas

56:01 And because we're behind the entire Ukraine revolution, the pooch that we did. We screwed the pooch and we are Interrobalizing. The Russians may be there to set up some barriers that keep that from happening, they don't have any interest in seeing this happening right on their border." So in your clip they mentioned what Breedlove had said. Breedlove is the new... The allied commander. Colvin believes his co- and Professor Cohen who we use commonly on the show who believes it's just full of crap. Well wait until you hear this report now this is brawl I got this yesterday and then I'll follow it up with a clip from this morning

56:40 Because the word has gone out. Okay, ranch ramp it up ramp it up fuck Russia ramp it up ramp it up It's really really disgusting this Russian tanks and Russian troops are rolling across the border. Russia denies it, but now there's an ominous warning from Ukraine's defense minister talking about the Russian military moves that I'm quoting now expect Unexpected actions on their part. I think the main task is to prepare for fighting that okay, so let's just summarize Brolf says Russian tanks Russian troops

57:16 Russia denies it. They don't have proof, but Russian troops... and then they quote the Ukrainian defense minister newly appointed by the way he's got I'm sorry It's got a nice outfit. It has three stars, and a bunch of crazy looking things all over it. Who? The Ukrainian guys? Yeah. Okay well you're not talking about a Breedlove right? No no our defense guy the Ukrainian guys he's got scrambled eggs all over him. Oh nice! Nice nice nice. Alright here comes Breedlove. From the Ukrainian Defense Minister our Chief National Security Correspondent Jim Sciuto is working for us this is pretty alarming

57:54 what's going on over there right now. Alarming! Yes, no question I've spoken with Ukrainian officials in Kiev today Don't mention...no names never a name just that i spoke to some officials spoke to some dudes got some guys are where they're talking today there's tremendous alarm and you can say outrage at these Russian moves because remember yesterday there was another one of these humanitarian convoys that went across without inspection and both Ukrainian and Western officials say you know these need to be inspected before you go in now today you have the Russians brazenly openly sending it arms and we're talking about artillery tanks and NATO believes Russian forces. I spoke to an official in the Ukrainian foreign ministry who says that it's the belief of the foreign ministry that Russia is preparing for a major offensive by the pro-Russian separatists in eastern Ukraine." I want you listen, NATO Supreme Allied Commander General Philip Breedlove... We see forces that are capable of being nuclear that are being moved to Crimea.

58:45 Now, we see forces that are capable of being nuclear. Anything is capable! This is the point. A guy in a Jeep and on a box... So he's also saying Crimea which is where the Russians traditionally have had their port and they've had their base there and of course there was the illegal completely outrageous encroachment of all borders when then the Crimeans said yeah we want to be part of Russia okay I'm not gonna debate that but for this guy Breedlove, the head honcho, the copy-de-tooty copy, the dude of NATO forces to propagate such propaganda. It's like being pre cancer, precancerous. I'm also pre nuclear and this report really

59:36 It's just crazy, listen. We see forces that are capable of being nuclear that are being moved to Crimea whether they are or not we do not know but they do have the kind of equipment there that could support that mission if required What mission? What are they gonna do? The nuclear mission to fry everybody. To blow up the whole country?! Yeah, fry them! Fry and they basically do the annex that it's now part of Russia, but if they're moving nuclear military Equipment jump to the action doing it The remote possibility because it's capable now. Oh this this I see I'm glad I don't have CNN anymore It's good man military get all the CNN stuff you want some someone's got to watch it. I'll watch the blaze

1:00:31 or military equipment capable of using nuclear material that would be an ominous new development right there. No question, on a whole bunch of levels you can imagine this is based where... I'd say something? What? Yeah, I said... Oh! ...told on Russia moving in both MiG fighter aircraft as well as Tupolev bombers. Yeah airplanes are nuclear capable yes into Crimea which is as you say they and so that's what that's what there's that's what they mean by nuclear-capable machinery Anything, yeah. Well it could be a tank too they have these shells that you know can be a mini nuke stay with us Illegally It is not known that they have nuclear weapons on board haven't been observed by US satellites But we know that their nuclear capable and this has always been the Kim Kardashian's ass is nuclear capable

1:01:20 That's true as a matter of fact with the US in terms of monitoring these Russian moves They don't know what Russia intends to do now. They know what they're capable of doing But they don't know if they have the intent actually deployed so what you hear is and instigated by the United Nations war machine This, well it's capable. It could be not sure but capable could be nuke nuke nuke nuke nuke nuke nuke nuke nuke nuke nuke nuke nuke nuke nuke nuke nuke nuke nuke nuke nuke nuke nuke nuke nuke nuke nuke nuke nuke nuke nuke nuke nuke nuke nuke nuke nuke nuke nuke nuke nuke nuke nuke nuke nuke nuke nuke nuke nuke nuke nuke nuke nuke nuke nuke nuke nuke nuke nuke nuke nuke nuke nuke nuke nuke nuke nuke nuke nuke nuke nuke nuke nuke nuke nuke nuke nuke nuke nuke nuke nuke nuke nuke nuke nuke nuke nuke nuke nuke nuke nuke nuke nuke nuke nuke nuke nuke nuke nuke nuke nuke nuke nu This is what they believe is happening. The conventional forces going across the border into eastern Ukraine to prepare for a new offensive by pro-Russian separatists, these forces in Crimea meant to be something of a flanking move... Ah! ...to tell the Ukrainians we got you, in effect on two sides from the east and from the south and when you think in those terms Wolf there's... Now listen to Wolf, Rolf wrap it up No other word you can call this but a war

1:02:15 Right, I mean there's been talk of military action. War! It's a war! It's a war! Escalation etc... But there is really this- There is a war. This guy's business he's NATO he has nothing to do with these two countries He's WAR We're going on in Eastern Ukraine right now And to hear that NATO Supreme Allied Commander raise that possibility That they might even be bringing equipment that could use nuclear weapons Thats ominous question No question and it would violate half a dozen treaties Oh no Yeah, they're not NATO. Let's point that out Ukraine gave up its nuclear arsenal In order to get its independence if you will and if you will moved all those nuclear weapons out Russians promised at the time they would never undermine Ukrainian sovereignty How is that working out? How was that working out how does that work in our dr.. Fauci thanks so much as always for joining us meddling good to be here bros Good to be here old bro. Dr.. Fauci was on another show recently wait we'll get to that

1:03:07 Well, let's tell you what. Before we get to that I'd sure like to take a break here Okay, I just wanted...I wanted to wind it up with my last... Well then wind it up That's what I was gonna do Oh well no, you were going to talk about Dr. Fauci No! That was just the Brolf thing Okay I've wanted to play this morning's propaganda on CNN So what possibly could be funnier and not true than nuclear capable machinery being moved into Crimea? How about Russian bombers flying over the Gulf of Mexico. I think i've got a better version of the clip. All righty, tell me which one it is. Well it's up there...it says uh oh airplane in gulf here we go let's rule it now

1:03:58 Now Russia said it plans to send long-range bombers on flight patrols over North American waters including the Gulf of Mexico. The aim, it says is to secure the country's military presence over the West Atlantic Eastern Pacific and the Caribbean and Gulf of Mexico It comes just days after NATO singled out some Russian incursions into European airspace with some aircraft flying what they call provocative routes. The US though playing down Moscow's planned missions as routine training in international airspace. No, that's...that clip is actually too decent! That's not good! My clip has the punchline but go ahead and play your clip that is probably more sensational. Yeah we have to start off by this Russia you gotta this is how you start off the item Russia

1:04:49 Russia! Russia is flexing its military muscle, it would appear. It would appear? It is planning to send long-range bombers to patrol the Gulf of Mexico and the Caribbean that would bring the flights close to the US. Too comfort... too close rather for comfort some officials say. It's very close right here in the context here matters as well As if and they have the picture from Getty images. Yeah, some old bomber the tuple f-bomber black and white pictures in formation With prop they needed sound effects exactly hold on we need when you prop sounds do I have a problem? It's really really really it's nuts

1:05:32 Well, it comes after NATO warned Russia about moving combat troops into eastern Ukraine tensions very Very high. I want to bring tensions very very argument where you say There's bombers here This was right after as though there was a connection There's no connection and then they bring on some douche now You know the thing with CNN and I'm sure the blaze does it as well? lovely all of these a former retired guy, they're all consultants to companies that either directly manufacture

1:06:09 weaponry, or are think tanks that help manufacture...that help change legislation? Yeah no they're barely bringing a professor. Or somebody who's just studying this problem constantly. No it's always former colonels. They bring him on and they won't bring him on anything else because he's like, he's a negative Nelly! Not onboard! Or like Don, you know? Hey! Let me make a point about this. I just thought my clip was better because it said that nobody in the White House our own government said this is just a routine Flight over international airspace is a routine exercise, which is also we have the open skies agreement right? And then it's just a routine extra. We do this yes we fly over Russia It's part of the open skies agreement Yes and so you don't be so you put these you know This is just yeah trying to scare the American public too So they can be manipulated not only will I admit that your clip was better. I will also say oh

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1:17:51 Alright everybody, we still need you to go out there and do the very important work of propagating our formula. Our formula is this... We go out, we hit people in the mouth. Hey citizen! Shut up! And this just in at the very last moment before we started with the broadcast. After Matt Taibbi ejected himself from the 250 million dollar WordPress blog known as The Interest... Well, he wasn't there that long! He didn't even start! The editor-in-chief John Cook has left That guy came over and made a big deal about this Because he came from Gawker I think?

1:18:44 and he's going back to Gawker just like Tybee is going back to Rolling Stone. This tells me there's some bad poo-poo going on there that Pierre Drive... and we said yeah, we did! Everyone was like this is great this is fantastic big deal I'm like no this is bullcrap. Before we continue by the way and before we get into that a little more Uh, Joan Dauterfrais note. Oh please! She did request a couple of sound effects Okay um can I get my pen first for the birthdays? Get the pen. I got the pen we're good Here's let me read the note for the pen first Alright I'm such a douchebag again that I forgot to donate from my birthday For the birthday of my son Sir Max who turned 14 last Friday at 11-7

1:19:29 I got my terrible mom, please de-couch me for that she says. I think she meant deduce so she needs a deducing put that down and don't forget his birthday i just forgot to donate also my husband Alex is turning 50 this Friday That's tomorrow So wait a minute She forgot her son's birthday and her husbands birthday? No no her husbands tomorrow so she remembered that Oh the kid? oh poor kid Sir Max and Alex and Alex Anthony's even though he refuses to listen to the show I see your husband. Oh, there you go Not good. I still love him and would like to wish him a happy birthday Then again this really stupid my wedding anniversary Anniversary of the no agenda show fall on the same date October 26th And I didn't donate for that either I always mean too But then I lose my mind I count on you guys to remind me of my own wedding anniversary You follow through and then I dropped the ball It's the fault of hormones if you ask me

1:20:25 So you need Sir Max, Alex and then the herb. And her wedding on October 26th. Actually three things and here's what she wanted If it is not too late to read it could I please ask for a President Porky Pig and an Al Sharpton resist we much? Oh that's not that bad No It's like a confusing mess and then that'll finish in will have We got her all straightened out Okay and dedouching porky resist karma She doesn't ask for karma, but I'd give her some. Oh okay. You've been dedouched! That's how we roll? And that's the story. But resist... We must... We must... You've got karma. Okay Alright we're all caught up

1:21:23 Well back to this intercept thing. I do want to point out that we said from the get-go, this was stank! So who else needs... what's the guy's name? The hoity-toity professor douchebag who is also a blogger dude come on what's his name who was consulting for them, come on. It's like Jeff Jarvis and the other guy? What's the guy from NYU Rosen? Ah! Jeff Rosen Hey how is that working out for you? Jeff Rosen?! Jay Rosen No he's...from now on he's Jeff Rosen Okay, Jeff Rosen And Jay Jarvis

1:22:05 Sounds good. Yeah, I guess that didn't work out it whether here It is you know they're gonna have all this freedom and and this guy who comes in as the editor He says we're stopping right now on our tracks And we're going to get mr.. Guy that said we're going to celebrate the Sabbath or something The whole thing is whacked oh hey are you from the hood all of a sudden yeah James cook is with an e No, I think it was James Cook. Let me see what we have in... Here we go. And does he send an admissive out for us to read about why he quit? Making too much money?! This just came in so just before the show starts. So I don't know if there's any other news let me see no I don't have anything else What about the site itself they should have some announcement there Well okay That's IEB that's hilarious

1:23:03 Well, Tybee. What is it? What's it called first look at first look media or something like that have the crappiest I know they do. I think the guys just maybe there was no maybe the guy just did this on the cheap expecting you know they had their big grand going well they're building a safe room in The New York offices right yeah because we're gonna get it rated so but And by the way, I think that would make them... That goes beyond their mission. Oh important announcement! This is from the 28th. So this is the Matt Taibbi announcement from Pierre-Henri Dior Drive My Car

1:23:46 I regret to announce that after several weeks of discussions, Matt Taibbi has left First Look. We wish him well! Our differences were never about editorial independence... we have never wavered from our pledge that journalistic content is for the journalist who decides, period! We're disappointed by how things have turned out…I was excited by Mat's editorial vision and hoped to help him bring it to fruition Now we turn our focus to exploring next steps for the talented team that has worked to create Matt's publication I'd like to get the real story on this. Ty, it's one of those things...I'm reminded of an interview with the Hollywood guy Michael Bay who was on a show that is not on any longer but he was always discussing these little things with

1:24:28 Peter Goober and a couple of other guys. So it was all inside baseball about the movies, he said when he first got the Transformers gig you know he said well that sounds good because there's a lot of money involved in this and they wanted him to do it in Canada And he goes up to Canada and says this isn't right! There is something wrong here This is not good This is some sort of scam so he came back and says I'm doing it in Hollywood with my people Oh yeah but here it is Grand Greenwell don't rap so they had they pulled Glenn out to write the the obit want to hear it. Yeah John's our headline

1:25:04 Editor John Cook is leaving The Intercept to return to Gawker at the end of the year. Well, it's pretty much now. What? The Intercept's editor-in-chief John Cook who spent the year tripling our staff size and significantly increasing our daily journalistic output is leaving at the end of the year to return to Gawker Media! Deputy editor Ryan Tate will continue to work with John and the rest of the newsroom to effect a smooth transition until the search for Cook's permanent replacement already underway is completed Quote, working with my Intercept colleagues has been one of the most fulfilling things I've done in my career and my decision to leave was a painful one to make Cook said. But I feel comfortable leaving in the knowledge that it is now perfectly situated to become a powerful journalistic force under new editorial leadership." Oh he's a good guy! He's one of those guys who never says anything bad... doesn't won't burn bridges

1:25:52 Ah, blah blah. Let's get a quote from... Oh! John Cook did it tremendous job in getting the Intercept off the ground said Intercept co-founding editor Jeremy Scahill. This is great we got Greenwald interviewing his co-founding editor this is great he was the perfect person to lead us through the inevitable inevitably difficult first year of figuring out how we wanted to function and exactly what we want it to be We are now preparing to expand The Intercept coverage and bring on more journalists I thought he was fired for hiring too many people. He's probably breaking the bank. No, he wasn't. The guy saw it was going... he saw it's phony baloney. Well there is something that will...

1:26:36 Obviously drove him and Taibbi out. Well, Taibbi part of it was he was accused of being a dick He said yes, you stupid bitch or something to some woman there Oh No! Yeah But then she was just stupid bitch is that possible? They brought in independent investigators And they said oh there was no harm no foul but I guess like a newsroom where Yeah, newsroom. We go around and see stupid bitch you missed it whatever you could say bitch asshole to a guy whatever Hmm yeah that's it would go on yeah people yell at each other let's see what New York Times says if they they Okay, they are just they're just quoting Greenwald of course oh so they're talking about gawker media and their happy Mr.. Nick Denton

1:27:31 This is so funny. Doesn't Nick Denton do like gossip? Yeah, he's a gossip guy! In an interview Thursday he will do what he did best on Gawker bring great big scoops but across the eight sites. Oh okay... I have advice for these guys Bring in somebody from TMZ Exactly yeah more stories about Kim Kardashian's butt that'll work Man oh man. Oh, man you stupid bitch that's funny It's something like that I was reading the whole run down of it just Ridiculous and let me see oh okay Whoa yes? I was sorry go ahead. I'm sorry. I said the word so if okay So what did you want to say my son came back they were in Hawaii This is your son who I have a picture of where they lay around his neck yeah, I know mm-hmm

1:28:29 Apparently, the Hawaiians are all in on hating Obama. You know remember when Obama first became president? He would make this trip to Hawaii for the first couple years and then he never went again? So they have these mints... He brought some back. Some mints? Mints! Little boxes of mints. I've seen these things- Like peppermints? Yeah, peppermints and one of them says disappointments with a picture of Obama. And there's another one Lemon flavored eaves drops. And it's approved! Who makes these? Who produces these? That is a question that is up for grabs, I'm interested in this, this is great. The unemployed... he has something on the unemployed philosophers guild is what they call themselves and its on the back of each one. The unemployed philosophers guild and you know there are some gimmicks

1:29:19 But it's in all the trinket shops, apparently a lot of Obama stuff. That's all negative. Interesting. I just thought... Yeah, it was interesting. Why do we think this is happening? There's a huge backlash against Obama and it was all apparently orchestrated by the Republican Party and I have to give them credit for it. They had if you went to listen to The News Hour they had Debbie Wasserman Schultz Who is the, she's the head of the Democratic Party? The Democrat party committee. Whatever it is. Democrat National Committee. She's a... I have never... This is someone who I really don't like Yes! She is just an annoying person Totally Notice that I say person Now let me play two clips then Oh yes Just to annoy me

1:30:11 And of course she's going to be interviewed about the election by who do you think on the news hour might... That's not fair because I have your clip list. So, I can see it. Of course! The hagiographer. Let's play this one. Whoa whoa whoa! Chuck Hagel on TV live right now with a huge band-aid on his face? Oh somebody punched him out finally Wow! Oh you don't have CNN No, and I don't have a TV. When I do the show...I do the show. Oh no but somebody has to keep an eye on the end of the world! You know as far as i'm concerned you- I think it would be kind of cool to do this with 25 monitors there and you can keep looking around uh but it would be better for video anyway let's get back to this now get them out of the way so Gwen Ifill asks a specific question And what is the question?

1:31:03 Well, the question is, Nancy Pelosi said it was either an appetite or a disaster. She made some comment and Eiffel asks Debbie Wasserman Schultz what do you think of those two things that Pelosi said? Which is worse? And answer... What do you think the answer is? The answer is a Debbie Wasserman Schultz I don't care what you're asking me, i'm just going to talk and say whatever it feels like. And by the way, It would be funny to have General Dempsey introduce her. Nancy Pelosi said in an interview today that this was not a GOP wave but an ebb tide for the Democrats which is worse? Well what we're doing is looking beyond just this one election We felt certainly last Tuesday was a tough night for Democrats

1:31:57 You know, if you look at 2010 and the 2014 midterm elections clearly we know that the voters support our agenda. They consistently last Tuesday voted to increase the minimum wage, voted in a gun safety statewide initiative. Three states one state. Defeated personhood amendments She points out that Colorado tightened up its gun laws and Washington State did too. And so, that's a big movement that everyone is all in on with the Democrats. But anyway I found this is kind of an Ask Adam. I think this is the right clip for it. This is...I'm going to ask you. This is a clip of Debbie Wasserman Schultz very...it's not too long

1:32:37 And she's discussing this, the election disaster which was her fault. Uh-huh? And she has a new meme, a new term something I want to see if you can identify it in this clip. We have two electorates that it appears are are shaking themselves out. And we need to take a deep dive look and that's why I'm going to appoint a committee in the next few days, to really take a deep dive assessment There is a disconnect on them actually getting out and voting for our candidates in midterms We've got to take a really deep dive into what the problem is What do you think it is she's trying to say? How many times can I guess

1:33:18 Yes, once deep dive. That's a that is I that's what I'm thinking I know what I know when this is gonna take a deep dive at him this I've heard this used by management When they screwed something up for a customer now We're taking a really deep dive to find out what's going on will get to the bottom of this as we take the deep dive That's it means they screwed up big time did big time okay Chuck Hagel Okay He had a minor kitchen mishap. His wife went after him! He stood up quickly and scratched his cheek on an open cabinet door Oh, I did you know? I haven't scratched my cheek but i've come up under an open cabinet door And hit myself right in the head... And then blood trickles down your face. I've had that happen too as a kid Well, never had the blood. And you see stars Yeah, you have to be careful You gotta keep your cabinet doors closed people

1:34:19 But, you know... I put on a nice Donald Duck band-aid or something. This is one of these standards! Oh yeah it should be something funny. Something cute, funny, make fun of it. Yeah like smiley faces. No that's not possible. He's not a funny guy. Um, see it happened right after Monday? Yeah Monday. I was actually depressed Whoa! Yeah, for at least 24 hours. And I had drinks... actually four drinks. Wooo! You can't drink two drinks without getting plastered? Mm-hmm. You're lightweight. Drinks with something and rye. I don't know if it was rye. Well, rye's good. Yeah very good with Eric the constitutional lawyer. Did you have it in a highball glass what were you drinking out of? What kind like a tumbler I would say

1:35:19 Yeah, and there was an orange peel in there and some other stuff. Oh! Eric ordered it was a dynamite drink but I was definitely over served but i was emotional...and he's the only guy around here that I can just unload and say holy, holy, holy... So you were crying like a baby? Yeah, I was. Why?! After I read the proposed net neutrality rules from our president You had me walk right into that one. And it got worse, and you need to see this...I have set up a little URL for you to visit. Because you know this is the end of our show? Eventually! Well what Eric, the constitutional lawyer said he said isn't this like really great for your show I said yeah until its end He says oh there's that

1:36:12 Give me the URL. I need to set it up first so this is a video of the president made, and... And-and I was so outraged and sickened by the worthless A-hole propaganda at the beginning of this video Hmm. So I want to see if you can catch it John well actually you're gonna See it immediately ITM dot IM slash Buffer and take a look at the beginning of this video Again, it's coming up. What do you see? I'm just loading okay? What is this thing said what to pick that your Charlie probably the picture of him the video in a mic and a crowd play the video by the video The videos down here okay here We are he's in his studio with light out words where's gene played all this lighting played a video and tell me what You see at the beginning of the video Okay says buffer oh please

1:37:22 I'm outraged by this. This is disgusting! Now of course it's legal, as the Smith-Mundt Act has been overturned but to put up a fake buffering logo to accentuate the point here is the audio Hi everybody. Hi all Ever since the internet was created, it's been organized around basic principles of openness fairness and freedom That must be it! This will not stand Actually, the internet was created in a manner so that any piece of it could be blowed up and the rest of the network would continue to operate. That is the genesis! Those days are over... It was not for freedom and openness it was for defense communication. National security? Yes but you're right this must end

1:38:18 There are no gatekeepers deciding which sites you get to access. That must end too! We must stop this! There are no toll roads on the information superhighway. Ugh, hello 1986... we want our superhighway back This set of principles—the idea of net neutrality has unleashed the power of the internet and given innovators the chance to thrive Abandoning these principles would threaten to end the Internet as we know it. Oh bullcrap That's why I'm laying out a plan to keep the Internet free and open. And that is why I am urging the Federal Communications Commission to do everything they can to protect net neutrality for everyone. They should make it clear that whether you use a computer, phone or tablet, Internet providers have a legal obligation not to block or limit your access to a website

1:39:09 Cable companies can't decide which online stores you can shop at or which streaming services you can use. And they can't let any company pay for priority over its competitors To put these protections in place, I'm asking the FCC to reclassify internet service under Title II of a law known as the Telecommunications Act. In plain English, I am asking them to recognize that for most Americans The Internet has become an essential part of everyday communication and everyday life The FCC is an independent agency and ultimately this decision is theirs alone. But the public has already commented nearly four million times from all the lobbying groups which primarily are comprised of Google, eBay, Amazon... Asking the FCC to make sure that consumers not the cable company gets to decide which sites they use Why am I always a consumer? I'm not always a consumer!

1:40:06 When I'm using the internet, I can be a producer. I can be a communicator. I can be an academic. I can be someone who just wants to ping pong with somebody else Why is everything Everything on the Internet according to the president and all these morons and retards who run this country including Valerie F you biatch Jarrett? Why is everything in consumer Americans are making their voices heard and standing up for the principles that make the internet a powerful force for change As long as I'm president, that's what I'll be fighting for too. Yeah great You by the way my wife bitches about the term consumer. Yeah well She actually did document it went from citizen to something there's like about ten terms for the public the public

1:40:54 You know, there's a bunch of things that became only recently the consumer as though... Yeah. It is all that it is. That's what the complaint is I mean this consumerism assuming that all we're good here All the good we are just to buy crap off Amazon or by you know movies from Netflix and by the way Tom Wheeler The chairman was appointed by President Barack Obama How does that make him independent? Oh for God! Not like I'm voting for the guy I am not voting him in I will read to you from the president's plan. And he says, once again, the FCC is an independent agency ultimately this decision is theirs alone. True however the FCC can force urge manipulate pressure Congress into passing laws for this now.

1:41:49 The FCC should create a new set of rules protecting net neutrality and ensuring that neither the cable company nor the phone company will be able to act as a gatekeeper restricting what you can do or see online. The rules I am asking for... When have they done that by the way? I'm just going to continue, the rules i am asking for are simple common sense steps that reflect reflect the internet and you and reflect the internet you and I use every day, and that some ISPs already observe. These bright line rules include... Bright lines? And there's hyphens, hyphenated. Now again the first thing he says here is that no company will be able to act as a gatekeeper restricting what you can do or see online Who does that? Let me continue No company

1:42:44 can be act and act as a gatekeeper. The first rule the president proposes is no blocking if a consumer requests access to a website or service, and the content is legal your ISP should not be permitted to block it that way every player not just those commercially affiliated with an ISP, gets a fair shot at your business. You lowly moronic couch-surfing consumer! Now... So of course I say to Eric the constitutional lawyer, do you think Eric that under this Wikileaks publications would be considered legal? He says no How about

1:43:36 Snowden documents, would these be considered legal? He says no. Now I throw this out by chance in a discussion forum and I say you know who and what is going to be deemed as illegal content hate speech bullying there are already laws against hate speech in California so that will not be it would be illegal content and therefore should be blocked So let me just read one response which I think is actually a well-balanced response. But I think this is what we're going to be dealing with and it comes back to the question you kept asking me, where has this been done before? So this person KDS says let me get this right

1:44:21 You believe an ISP should be able to block your content whenever they want, whether it's legal or not? That is the position you're taking. That the ISP can block whatever they want from you—the subscriber for whatever reason they want! Is that okay with you?! You are all hung up on who will decide what is legal and illegal. That is already in place. Child pornography is illegal, has been for a while, for good reason, and will land you in jail today without new law. There are lots of other illegal content types. That does not change with the law Well, what the proposal does change that if the content is legal then the ISP will not be allowed to block you from getting it. Why do you want the ISP to retain what they do today? Block legal content from you however they want to why would you want this Wow! That's a good...I must say i have no answer There's no answer for this It's an illogical argument

1:45:17 It assumes, there's assumptions being made in that within the arguments like O'Reilly when I played that clip earlier where he makes assumptions. There are assumptions that this is going on I mean, give me an example of where they're blocking legal content or any content for that matter. They don't block the porn sites! They don't block the child porn! You want to go get it? Go get it and then get arrested!" And like he said people do get arrested. They just collect it and next thing you know they're in court What's worse...I will submit to you now this is the president's proposal all the proposals we've seen have not used the word illegal they used the word lawful

1:45:55 Then they've specifically unlawful unlawful content and quote unlawful network traffic Bit torrent ah I Figured it out. Okay encryption all right of course they've been trying to get rid of encryption forever Nice one, that's what you got two points You know yours got none What do you mean? How don't you you guys you've done great with the China? Put the harmonica, do something.

1:46:43 Yeah, no exactly right you're right all content has to be I'm sorry. What did you say? What did you say didn't hear it would you say I said is bad Oh You said that was right, so I'll make sure what I thought yeah, I forgot I can't remember one minute to the now that is the number one proposal from the president number two No throttling Nor should ISPs be able to intentionally slow down some content or speed up others through a process often called throttling based on the type of service or your ISP's preferences. Go! You should do that voice more often Yes, I shall

1:47:31 Well, did you want to respond to the throttling? Yeah I got things to say. Go! First of all are they doing this now? I don't know. Well, yes this is the what started it was the Netflix throttling and the buffering which of course got everybody all up in arms because holy crap! I can't see House Of Cards! And here's the thing about that and then they bought a peering agreement because they wouldn't use... let's go back we've talked about this before i'll talk about it again Netflix has these appliances that all the ISPs get for free, and you put them on your system at the home office. And now you got a direct access to the most popular stuff I think 100 terabytes with movies. I just want you know that when we started this conversation is exact moment our stream started...got interrupted

1:48:24 Yeah, by coincidence. It was on a Comcast. Comcast is just crappy that I mean let's get to that part that's beside the point so they have these appliances now the way net neutrality works the way i read it the way they're talking about this those appliances have got to go You can't have those, that's unfair. You have to have everything brought in across the pipe from Netflix Central and then fed out which would mean the service of...you think Netflix was bad? This will be terrible because now it's same if you have to go to Vudu to get their movies and then bring them in and send them out to the client

1:49:01 You have to do the same thing with Netflix. You can't have the Netflix box sitting there feeding stuff out, Comcast refused to use these boxes in fact Comcast was more net neutral at that point than anybody else and then they did a peering agreement then it became less net-neutral and that got everybody bent out of shape because of the peering agreement I guess everybody wanted Comcast to use the Netflix appliances but they didn't do that They'd had to have thousands and thousands of them to make it work right but that's beside the point This whole thing is completely misunderstood as a scam, it's ridiculous. Let's talk about throttling and what's going on. But hold on I want to jump in for a second...

1:49:43 The entire term was only introduced to get to this point of stopping encryption, stopping free speech. The term net neutrality is non-existent in the technical layers of the internet and how it works just briefly John I'll shut up The peering agreements is how the internet grew. Back in the day, if you couldn't get a peering agreement which meant I would send roughly the same amount of traffic to the peer point as you would send it to me that's why no money changed hands if you didn't have that kind of traffic, you would have to buy what was known as transit. Okay? And it was all... You said okay! Yes it's not neutral. It's never been neutral. It has nothing to do with border gateway protocols and how the internet really works. The term net neutrality made up by some professor is bullshit! No we actually know the guy who dreamed up the term is documented and he now reneges on it

1:50:45 it. But it doesn't matter, there's never been... You just said I'm just saying? And I said so! So wow okay right net neutrality has never existed in the network. It's never been there the internet was not built on that neutrality, it was built on a bunch of crazy networks strung together It expanded through peering. It was a lie! The president is lying! And in fact, the internet when it first started... If you said hey I'm a consumer looking to buy something people would yell at you and kick you off

1:51:25 I haven't forgotten that. The original network was running through these big giant government-run piers and universities, and then it turned out there was carriage costs because it cost so much money to go through some of these giant pipes And people said, well you know what if you and I hook up together because half of my traffic is going to your people and your traffic's coming to me. We don't have to go through this roundabout thing we can just talk to each other okay? Well sign that then they signed off on it. That's in the hearing room grew and then somebody got the wise idea Comcast and others, Time Warner said you know what we can do is we can have cable modems and then we can buy backbones. And then we could put these little guys out of business and now we have these giant networks that could be brought down by you know... I want to interject not entirely true um and this goes back to the level three in the earlier days of how were the guys who had the uh metropolitan fiber

1:52:28 They bought up and the smaller guys all sold out. DigX, you know all these guys who had little networks they went fuck it let's get rich to sell out so that's not entirely true that the big guys were evil this was a very typical capitalistic monopolistic way of growing. I'm not saying they were evil i never used the word evil It could come across as that people talk about the evil Comcast or the evil Tom Warner If Comcast can't get its act together with my connection I'm gonna be well they're evil about this. They're evil about that sure My connection on Comcast and I'm convinced of this, and I've actually discussed this on DH Unplugged. I'll discuss it again. I believe that Comcast once they set up business Comcast

1:53:09 They shape their traffic and send all the bandwidth to the businesses during the day. And then at five o'clock, when the businesses are shutting down, boom! It goes back to the users. The consumers you mean? I still stick with the word user three generations ago. So here's my bandwidth about 10 o'clock in the morning. You somehow you turn this net neutrality conversation into your own personal vendetta against Comcast? Yeah, okay two megabits per second throughout the day sometimes 500k like around just before lunch get off that hill

1:53:49 There's a bunch of slowdowns that take two megabits. And this is way out of bounds with what they're promising in their advertising, and I'm down like this oh it must be your router or it must be the wireless Oh! It must be this, it must be that these great experts out there telling me what's going on five o'clock. John we know you are on shared bandwidth That is just a shitty ISP that has nothing to do with net neutrality 5 o'clock, boom! 70 megabits per second. Midnight, 70 megabits per second. The whole thing is 70 megabits per second then here it goes again during the day It drops down to two or five hundred 500 K if I'm lucky half the pages won't load videos won't work nothing works. I can't podcast We've known that for a long time. All right, and then Comcast says well we'll send somebody over but you're just mad You're an angry consumer Yeah, whatever you have it we continue

1:54:51 Increase transparency. The connection between consumers and ISPs, I really hate you for saying this. Not you not you the president. Me? I know the president! Oh... So he's-the connection between consumers and the ISP we're not producers were not academics were not researchers were consumers i hate you for this The so-called last mile is not the only... I know. What year is he living in? Hello, 1993 calling! Last mile?! The last mile is not the only place some sites might get special treatment. By the way, the last mile is completely within the purview of the ISP to do whatever the hell they want

1:55:47 So, I am also asking the FCC... He didn't say so. It says so comma. No! Yes, so comma yes. I'm also asking the FCC to make full use of the transparency authorities the court recently upheld and if necessary to apply net neutrality rules to points of interconnection between ISPs and rest of the internet Which is peering. This is breaking the system! And the final one? No paid prioritization Simply put, no service should be stuck in a quote slow lane Because it does not pay a fee That kind of gatekeeping would undermine the level playing field essential to the internet's growth

1:56:43 So, comma. No! Yeah so, comma as I have before, comma... ...I am asking for an explicit ban on paid prioritization and any other restriction that has a similar effect Well then it looks like Comcast's gonna have to cut off Netflix with that peering arrangement Now Associated Press went deeper this is just the little blurby thing that the White House put out We have here is a comment, who is this talking? On Monday Obama weighed into the fray. This is the Associated Press gave a major boost to Internet activists by activists I guess we're not internet activist since we don't believe in it saying the FCC should explicitly ban any paid prioritization on the internet. Obama also suggested the FCC reclassify consumer broadband as a public utility under the 1934 Communications Act so there's no legal ambiguity that would mean title two

1:57:51 Quote, it is common sense the same philosophy should guide any servers that is based on the transmission of information Whether a phone call or a packet of data. He doesn't understand how this works You know packets don't go in one you know stream It's a package data I think he made your point about we does nobody's talking about but let's continue with three to read yeah Well the read I wanted to get Net neutrality is the idea here? It is uh-huh Now, who is fighting for this? First of all, this tectonic shift in national policy should it be adopted. The FBI would create devastating results. This is Powell who said this and chaired the FCC during the Bush administration. Consumer groups and content providers hailed Obama's move! These are people that represent us John. Consumer groups represent consumers because that's all we are. Hail Obama!

1:58:47 that actually did hail him. Consumer groups and content providers hailed Obama's move with Netflix posting to its Facebook page... how fucking sad is this? I'll read that again, with Netflix posting to its Facebook page that consumers should pick winners and losers on the internet not broadband gatekeepers The, oh my god. Okay net neutrality here this is Associated Press from the consumer groups who hail Obama. Net neutrality is the idea that internet service providers shouldn't block slow or manipulate data moving across its networks as long as content isn't against the law comma such as child pornography or pirated music

1:59:40 A file or video posted on one site will load generally at the same speed as a similarly sized file or video on another site. Okay, this is... bullshit! It's not...that's not true. There could be different routes, multiple hops. They will none...they will and that's what they have to say generally. Yeah, you're beating up what we already know I think the point you made about the encryption and then lawfulness unlawfulness is what this is really all about arguing the technology which you keep drifting into is fruitless

2:00:17 I just said, i'm not arguing the technology. I'm correcting the yes the fruitless Fruitless okay well apparently just looking from the comments it's fruitless to argue at all because clearly I'm just all in on the big guys and I must love Comcast and I'm paid by the That's right, and I dream and masturbate to you! I'm sorry. You're the Koch brothers stooge. That's...I'm waiting for that. It's so obvious. I'm waiting for that. It's big oil- Yeah? ...that's talking But then Ted Cruz is the biggest boob moron douchebag And i'll say it retard Is this news? Ted Cruz? You've hated Ted Cruz from the beginning of this show No Hit it I've never hated him Ted Cruz clip no I don't know it's a quote no clip

2:01:06 Net neutrality is Obamacare for the internet you dickhead you stupid stupid Stupid it's just stupid Stupid stupid man. We're your stupid Goldman Sachs acts dude, stupid wife You stupid people? Okay, I think your major point done. I'm done as you depressed and Yes, because I need to figure out a career in five years. I'll have no job. Five years? Oh yeah! Once this takes place and of course everyone's all in on it except about the number of people that see through it...I can count on one hand

2:01:47 And you only have three things. I'm sure a lot of our listeners are in agreement, but most of them probably still don't know what they're talking about and they may or may not care. But the people that I know sincerely understand that this is a lead into a disaster letting the government run the Internet which is what, of course, the government wants to do... And outlaw encryption. ...and what's great is that, to me, it's the way they've sold it which very much like the...I want to equate with global warming but they've sold it as a very nice and the narrative is dynamite. And they've sold everybody on it, and the term works so well...and you listen to these guys on these podcasts and go on about it because if we don't pass net neutrality there out of business somehow? I don't know how that works because what's changing? If we just dropped the whole argument dropped that idea

2:02:43 going to change? Is Comcast all of a sudden going to say, you know I don't like that guy's podcast. Let's throttle it! I don't see that they care. What would be the point?" No because people don't care about podcasts, they care about Netflix. The government wants to do this. The government wants to throttle stuff. The government wants to end encryption. I think you've made your point. Comcast doesn't care as far as they're concerned. Go ahead and download all the music you want just make sure you pay your bill Yeah, they don't care about downloading music. It's only because the government forces them to care about it There isn't always their concern is more work Why would they put themselves through doing more work? Oh let's find a couple of objectionable podcasts and throttle em Let's throttle um let's throttle him that's not gonna just why why would they do that have you no hair Have you cast your Koch brothers check yet I get it right here

2:03:38 $100,000 million. Folks don't even listen to our show! I've put an intro to distributed hash tables under the NA tech heading in the show notes people should read that that's where we're headed it's the only way to be able to maybe get to seven years You know, what I think is great is the way they've sold this because you know the FCC's...they see the future. The FCC, the broadcasting thing it a slow dying business. It's not dying tomorrow, it's not dying in 10 years but it's dying. There's gonna be more people broadcasting like we're doing over the internet using the internet as a transport vehicle because it's cheaper and more versatile that goes all over the world. So you can't do that with a radio transmitter. It's not possible and they cost a lot of money to run those things.

2:04:26 The FCC looks at this and say, well we got to regulate the damned radio and television. And we get to tell them that they can get a $350,000 fine for showing somebody's nipple or cussing once or twice... Let me give you let me give you a better analogy I am a FCC licensed amateur radio operator by as many spectrum than I may operate in up to 1500 watts I can't say fuck. I can't sell something, I can't broadcast... There's no free speech on Ham Radio! No

2:05:05 because the FCC licenses it. Right! So, hello? And we know for a fact if you start looking into the record they've been trying to get their little mitts around cable TV Oh yeah. You know is there some way we could get ahold of cable TV so we can regulate it and then course the real goal here's this charge for license as you have to pay... This very important what you're saying I need to stop you this is really important cable TV is not regulated by the FCC And this was always the problem. The cable companies...and the cable company used to be little guys who thought they were broadcast networks and they'd know, man, the Cable Ace Awards I had to schmooze with their ugly-ass wives for years at MTV because they were the gatekeepers. They determined if MTV was in the standard basic package or if it was a premium service. FCC has no regulation you see?

2:06:02 This is what is this is why? Classifying it as a title to service with all video moving slowly to internet protocol This is how when they when they do that then they actually have A real grip on the cable company. As you say, it's this is what they've been your right What does now 30 years they've been trying to do this yes Do you need old guys like us to be able to look into the history and tell you this people? They've been trying to do this forever, and they've been unsuccessful. Now this is their backdoor. This is a back door methodology to get ahold of all that stuff—the cable, all the cable programming because there's a lot of subversive stuff on cable TV. There's a lot of cussing. There's nudity. There are all these things that we don't want because some kid might see it in today's world by

2:06:55 you know, the virtue of the fact that they see a lot of nudity. They go so what? Oh there's a tit big deal! I mean in Europe that's been, you know, standard thing even on broadcasting is tits they're all over the place but oh god it's just fine-able because the FCC likes to find these things and are bunches stooges that are on the FCC. They're always a bunch of idiots if you listen... Go listen to some other events that they have some other meetings some other questions and answers horrible This is what they're up to, and the net neutrality thing. They must be just high-fiving constantly right now with the notion that or the fact that the public at large all the podcasters... All in! All in! Ha ha ha! They're stroking their white pussies with glee as it were yeah I will add to that this is a very unique American problem

2:07:52 in some regard, this is why it's starting here. Because and I'm generalizing so i will preface by saying in general Americans are so hung up over public display of body parts and sexuality and breasts yeah so it's funny Mickey the other day said Okay, she's wearing a sweater. She said do you like this way? We I'm very good at this I'd do the fashion show thing as in no try the other shoes and I'm good at this You know, huh? I'm actually I'm good at this I'm sure you are and so she's what do think of this sweater says Oh, I love this which is really great. Ah cuz I could take my bra off Well it what is the bra for does it say well till my nipples don't show oh

2:08:37 I said, oh do you wear a bra when you're in Amsterdam? She says no. Here in America all the guys like... Yes they do. Headlights! I'll see what happens. Sad sad That's just the way it is. And these guys reflect that and then they push it, and they make sure you don't have nipples showing or anything... Once they get a hold of the internet there are a lot of changes going to happen. A lot of nipples! Once they own the internet as a regulatory body under this bull crap once their in charge you watch what happens. Yeah its gonna be bad

2:09:31 That's why this video went viral. This is another example, another example now from an American perspective Oh-ho-ho! This is Megan Kelly introducing Mike Huckabee. Arkansas Governor Mike Huckabee who's the host of Fucka-of Huckabee right here on the Fox News Channel. She said fuck I'm there She must be fined. Oh no wait she's on paypal, nevermind. Won't somebody please think of the children? I'm gonna show my school by donating to No Agenda! Imagine all the people who could do that... oh yeah that'd be fab! I want to thank a few people. By the way, we both want to thank them obviously but i want to say...I hope we don't talk about net neutrality anymore! I think it's a done deal. We're on the outside looking in and that's just the way it is and I think beating a dead horse does not change anybody's mind. We're not changing anyone's mind. No well can we? The only thing I'd like to do maybe..I just wanted somewhere be in writing where said

2:10:37 Dear people of Earth like a like Yoko Ono. Yeah, I've written two or three pieces doing exactly what you suggest with the Referred it's Twitter guys Oh look at this he said this is I agree with him yeah He already agreed with me before I wrote it and the other guy says yeah I don't care whatever you think his bullcrap is Dvorak trying to get attention trolling And he's the guy that said cable modems would never work Sorry, there's that one. Yeah. You know what? At least they don't work by the way the way I'm getting my bandwidth is right by the way at least no one ever says anything about what I used to say well you didn't put in writing lots of interviews but that doesn't count now No, you can say anything you want over these it's interesting to me that in the broadcast medium It's like completely

2:11:34 It's set aside. Even transcripts don't get picked up, it is just a different thing than when you write a thoughtful essay. Okay well I'm not gonna do that anytime soon let's thank our producers here who are... Including Fabrice Schumey In Anaheim, 1-2-3-4-5. Favorite number He said the job karma really works he got his dream job building race cars for a living Did you see? Yeah he sent pictures I did see the picture Was he building races? You know we need it why should even be buying cars We should just get...we must have enough listeners out there that can put together a jalopy that's gotta be If someone puts together a jalopy i will drive it With a big engine

2:12:18 Like a hot with a blower on it on the front big blowers sitting on the top and you can put any Advertising you want on the side. I will drive it Yeah, I will dry I will do the same yeah And I wanted not to be able to fit in the garage. They got a parking on the street Yeah, a monster truck. Yeah... I'll drive it. Michael Supko in Belmar New Jersey, 1-2-3-4-5 Greg Passmore in Hallandale Beach Florida, never heard of that area, 1199 Brian Williams in Streamwood Illinois who's always coming in

2:12:59 73, 73. 73's to you Brian. I think he is a knight, I could be wrong. Sir Jimmy of Free Hollow Books 6969 we did get a few of these. Uh...I got a note from Carrie Shun by the way. Oh! She started the 6969 thing she hasn't but she stopped listening to this show now she's back on board That's all I know. She apparently been traveling for some reason and she doesn't explain it very well, so you know it's hard to podcast. I had an idea about that by the way remind me after the show have another one of our great business ideas. OK let me write this down that will never execute no that's what we do then we talk about him yeah but I want to talk about it with you first and then and then we can talk about how we should forget to talk about on the show okay? We'll do it will do that. I got it written down in the red book

2:13:50 And then we have... Jimmy, who's been around. He wants us to play a Bill and Ted 69. Oh wow! What? I don't even know what the jingle looks like It's just 6969 Those guys Yeah no it's Bill and Ted but i don't even know how to use that jingle Which makes sense in this little... No I understand but I uh it must've been here I got it I gotta get it I have it. Oh, here it is! 69! 69 dudes! Alright done That's the one we used to use and then we stopped using because the streak ended Sir Jim of Beverly Hills Zoo Cal what it says from obviously Beverly Hills I'd be lost without you guys 6969 Sir Patrick Coble Nashville Tennessee 6969 Eric

2:14:38 Osnes in Lawndale, California. Same 69-69 John Claude Schmidt in Costa Mesa. Karma to Andre and Kevin Oscar Nadal. Oscar Nadal? What is this a good tennis player 69, 69 Tijuana. I think we have a Steve in the Dallas also Mexico Mexico sir that is oh yeah go ahead sorry put sir herb of Salt Creek, Sugar Hill Georgia 6969. Sir James... I'm sorry he applies that to Tom's knighthood. Okay yeah sir James Cates in Virginia Beach Virginia 6969 Jeremiah Tribble tribal tribal tribble it's got to be tribal Longview Texas

2:15:32 6969 Michael Henderson, Peachtree Corners Georgia. I think that's everywhere in Georgia and that closes the 6969 segment now we got Chad Inman 66 dot 90 which is a one i kind of encouraged because it shows 669 and that would be right Los Angeles did you read his note? One other guy came in with that Joshua Theodorsen I believe his way in Hilton alright he's the one with the note Did you read his note He says just wanted to let you know that no agenda methodology scored me an 80 8.6 to 1 win in Australia's race that stops a nation the Melbourne Cup horse race Not only did the favorite come last and die of heart failure a German a German horse won

2:16:20 So that's why he is sharing some of his winnings with us. We should have been in on that one! The favorite horse died and a German horse won. We have ways of making favorite horses die. They die, they die. Their favorites will die. Stacy St- I'm sorry Christopher Davidson in Bella Vista Arkansas 6660 Stacey Saint-Amand, Kingston Ontario 6439 Nicole Martini in Stuyvesant.

2:16:57 Yes, when in New Yorker say Stuyvesant. Holy crap! Can I just interject for one moment? Yeah You know even though technology news is only about phones and apparently comet landings And it's just crap. I will say looking at this new CNN technology reporter, we're getting some dynamite-looking women doing that. You know you're just doing this because they don't get CNN anymore. Rachel Crane! Hello Rachel! Alright keep going i'm gonna look around. Let me write his name down here... Rachel Crane she may..I think she's the I think she's a new... I think the women on Al Jazeera are really... Oh, you're waiting to see Rachel Crane. She is a classic! Okay let's get on with it. My goodness. By the way there is a birthday involved with Nicole Martini. Keith Ryan Bloomfield Connecticut 5678 Radu Pertuk 5555 Sir JD in San Jose California 5510

2:17:54 I went back and forth with him over my following him on Twitter, which I did. And then he donated what he's always donating. Kevin Dill, Charlotte North Carolina, Sir Kevin Payne in Chantilly Virginia at 5069. These are all $50 donors which include Brandon Savoie. the Patricia Worthington in Miami, Mike Westerfield parts unknown. Jacob Wojciak I'm guessing North Vancouver. I would say Jacob it would be Jacob yeah Jakub Jakub Jakub. I'd say Jakub and i'd say Jakub okay Paul Groves in Wangaratta Victoria Australia Antonio McMullen

2:18:36 uh... parts and on paul vela in mhm milton keynes alexander schukovi in moscow patrick mac com in long island city terry wins in langley washington and finally vincent k hames indicator alabama have a note from mom terry all i want to say it erie when says not really know it but terry wens i wanna see if he sends this check But the whole envelope is some sort of mat and what do you call it when you bend paper? It's called Origami yeah origami so as he sent his huge origami thing with a seal on the back And it's like you take it off, and then it's like one sheet of paper With no check in that I just thought was the most dangerous envelope. I've ever seen okay

2:19:27 It was kind of cute though, but he didn't even say anything in there. Vincent K. Hames in Decatur Alabama just said that at 50 bucks and finally last and not least was Shane Piedin from parts... I don't know where he's from but it seems like he is from Atlanta. And he sent the long note complaining about his wife. He's a knight. And it also is the oldest daughter's sixth birthday, I don't know if that's on the list. No, I think you're confusing... Is that? Was that the note? Oh Eddie, you're right! You were complaining about his wife and its his daughter's sixth- Does she have a name? Lainey. Hold on, I do not think thats on the list actually. Yeah but give my daughter Lainey some birthday love. Hold on So thats Lainey from Shane Daddy Shane

2:20:23 Yes, and as to the rest of the note we're really not going to sit here and deal with domestic disputes. He rescinded that by the way in a follow-up note yeah Yeah but he definitely had a complaint to make it was probably legit but no Maybe if you instant... No, no. No. No. No. I'm instant acting. T'Borak! You are just a horrible man. That's really bad. Well okay light on both ends of it we will be doing a show on Sunday i'll be in New York so highly appreciate

2:21:03 Anything that we can be yeah, we do have a show coming up on Sunday 670 so think of us in the meantime Rachel crane joined CNN's the network's newest digital correspondent Okay where she covers pop culture and innovation. Oh Yeah, she's the area social Network uh-huh In this role She'll be creating original video content related to her beat to run across across CNN's platforms She comes to us from Bloomberg, where she was a technology and innovation correspondent who hosted and produced Blomberg's Brink. A show highlighting cutting-edge technology and new ideas." Well good hire I'd say! She really is...she looks great not in this picture but uh... She doesn't... she may be pretty, she maybe intelligent, she's not that photogenic although the in fact even if she was on the cover of Cosmo apparently

2:22:00 And yeah, I don't think you know okay whatever. Yeah? I can see where she's a Cosmos girl. Not being blown away by her photos But i just saw on TV...I'm only talking as a television producer! Okay. I'm not talking as a man, I'm talking about someone who has hired people before and this is the direction that technology reporting is going in pop culture and innovation that is-yeah That's it Yeah, there's a new Instagram service. Pop Culture and Innovation. Yeah. Forget tech! So her credits or credibility comes from covering pop culture innovation for several years by interviewing SpaceX and Tesla CEO Elon Musk, famed futurist and Google's director of engineering Ray Kurzweil, and NASA's William Gerstenmaier That did it she's good

2:22:51 Well, hold on. She has also traveled to Abu Dhabi to report on the pre-planned sustainable city Masdar. She's tasted wine made by robots in California's Napa Valley and covered the privatization of space at NASA's Kennedy Space Center and gone behind the bars of San Quentin prison to see how the institution taught inmates to make mini satellites Yeah, that sounds... yeah. Perfect! Great hire! Lisa should have hired her So what is the next thing you were going to say? I was going to say thank you all very much for the support of The No Agenda Show

2:23:43 And where we just left it off, ladies happy 6th birthday from your daddy Shane. He's very proud of you loves you very much. Nicole Martini happy birthday to the love her life John Agostino who turned 30 on November 19th. We have Dame Joan Daughterfrae who says, oh man I screwed up happy birthday to Sir Max who turned 14 last Friday happy birthday to her husband Alex who turns 50 tomorrow And a belated happy anniversary to husband Alex. It was the same date that we celebrated our seventh anniversary, October 26th so happy birthday to all of you from all of us here at The Best Podcast in the Universe! And then we have our knighting of Shane Peden and I think he had a name which is not on this...I gotta pull it out of the notes. I know he had a name for-here it is no?

2:24:46 I thought he had a special name. He wanted time looking at the note now It was me, I thought I saw that in email it could be wrong. Uh email I don't have that spreadsheet today is kind of a meridian but ah Okay, I just thought he had a special name. You wanted maybe I'm confused with somebody else does not matter because we still pull out our blades There's mine Hold on. By the way, before I pull mine out as it were... Yes? This woman Rachel Crane has no Wikipedia entry but she's listed prominently in IMDB No who is dating who Who is she dating She was dating this guy Elias

2:25:30 Kefaldis, who looks sketchy and then some Tom Cruise looking character that's named Robert Schwartzman but she stopped dating him in 2008. I think she's dating this other guy so that's good to know! Good to know yeah thank you That's why we are the best podcast in the universe Thank You it was about time you... Alright Shane Peaton come forward my friend and please step on up As we hereby proudly knight thee to join the round table of the knights and dames.

2:26:06 and call you sir Shane Keaton we have for you, uh and you may need them. Uh hookers and blow, red boys and chardonnay ass cream with bear fillings porn stars in pot opium and warm orange juice happy wendinkle bourbon served by oktoberfest fri lines wenches and beer bong hits and burden or maybe just some mutton and mead all for you please go to noagenda nation dot com slash rings I'll look again to see if I can find the email. I thought somewhere you had a special night name you want. By the way, this Rachel Crane is a different Rachel Crane. Oh okay. She's an actress. There is a rogue person! Yeah, Rogue is the same name as your showbiz. I don't know what's going on. You can fight that, you know?

2:26:47 I'll talk about it next show and put some on the stand so i don't have this This constant squeaking, I know what you mean. Because it would stop doing it so I didn't pay much attention. Now today... It's actually funny because a couple times during the show I would hear the sound and then thought that was text message or something coming out of my ear. And then I recalled, ah yes! It is really bad today. Yeah, it is worse than it has been. I'm going to write this down. What's it called? Ranch Hand or something like that. I'll get into name later. Ranch hand?! It's just very obscure lubricant that I saw.

2:27:31 Oh, no. I'm telling you for like a WD-40 and just any sort of it's synthetic oil so it's a very slippery product. Hey girls want to try some? Yeah. Ranch hand. Holy mackerel! Ranch hand... It's a little pricey be on the safe side that must not be it No, I know what you're talking about. I don't know just trying to be you're just trying to be Hey, what are you trying to do? Hey new entry in the DSM DSM is of course the Bible for okay all things crazy It really is just a sales tool for the pharmaceutical industry Okay Orthorexia nervosa have you heard of this would you like to hear about it no?

2:28:25 Would you like to hear about it? I'd break it down and say that it has something to do with the... Striving to eat healthy foods is a good thing, unless you take it too far. And increasingly experts are seeing people slide into an obsession with healthy eating that can be decidedly unhealthy and even lead to malnutrition. Here to tell us more about the condition some experts referred to as orthorexia is WSJ Health reporter Sumathi Reddy. Thanks so much for being here. Tell us about this condition is it officially recognized? So it's not, It's not in the DSM which is like the Bible of mental illness. But some experts will say that there are certain categories that could fall under and it's similar in some ways to anorexia but different than others correct yes so like the driving sort of motivation behind it is very different than anorexia because it's about quality of food not quantity And has nothing to do with body

2:29:15 issues. Exactly and trying to be thin exactly no these are people who really just are concerned about what they're putting into their body it has to be organic, it has to be you know vegan, it has a certain type of food from a certain grocery store that kind of thing but the same issues of control and denial can be at play, correct? Yes. So you do have a lot of similarities with obsessive compulsive disorder as well as like anorexia and sometimes it can lead to anorexia because these people end up not eating a lot of food. And it sounds like the kind of thing that can start very innocently with a positive idea of changing your lifestyle And then it's a slippery slope correct exactly so you know you get people who are like gluten-free and they're cutting out in their dairy free than Their sugar free carb-free, and there's so many major food groups There's not much that left that you can eat. I mean that's how you end up You know dying you can eat dust It was funny ahead we had Ron of our friends Ron and Peggy over um what was that?

2:30:11 Maybe Friday. You've discussed them before on the show, Ron and Peggy? No I...maybe! Ron and Peggy are born-and-bred Texans had been in Austin since early early 70s very famous for the restaurant Jeffreys which they sold um... Oh you have we have talked about this because of Jeffreys right And they're your age so i get along famously with him okay and what we were talking about What came up was DDT and I'm not quite sure in what... I already know where this is going.

2:30:51 Well, now these are Austinites. So they could be like hey what's your view on ISIS? One of their sons works for UNESCO is going to Tajikistan or something they're really worried I said and so yeah of course I laid into it that you know going to Tajikistan just a dick... That must be pleasant as hell for these people who come over for dinner they must be having the shakes when they leave your place Mickey actually, she said it's...she said do you think that they're really our friends or they just want to come over to laugh at us? No. I guarantee that's well, I'm sure there is a little of that with some of your other friends. Not these not Peggy and Earl. Where they shake their heads and go can you believe what that guy thinks? Yeah, I'm sure there's a little of that. They were actually worried about that. It just is more dangerous to drive to Houston than it is for your kid to go to Tajikistan. That's true. I bet you could come up with a stat that proves that

2:31:47 So we were talking about, and now I'm pissed off. I can't remember what is it? It must've been something that we... Anyway, you know, this is just like DDT which got taken off the market with all these lies that was creating cancer and killing eagles. And I said to the guy who invented it, of course millions of people died since because DDT is no longer allowed to be sold and now people have malaria And he said, it's funny you say that because when I was a kid... He did a, when I was a kid we weren't, like I said, well we were not rich. We lived in the cheap-ass neighborhood The DDT truck would come around and we would all be so happy and we'd be jumping around to get sprayed completely by it So we wouldn't get all kinds of fleas and ticks and crap! And I said, Ann are you dead? He said no

2:32:42 Which is to add to our- I never heard about the DDT truck. Oh, well that would be Texas That was great! I didn't look...I didn't do any uh Let me see DDT truck Texas. I didn't do any research on it. Oh! The fog truck! Oh they fog you with it? Yeah in San Antonio there It Is San Antonio huh and people the kids were so happy Yeah, you wouldn't have lice. I wonder why one it'll come know somebody that stockpiled Or their father's stockpile DDT because he thought the thing was something of a scam in Georgia somewhere and they had so many barrels of it that He keeps spraying his area and according to you can According to this person telling me the story you can from a satellite photo You can see that it's like this green lush

2:33:35 fantastic block of goodness in the middle of nowhere that's all dead. And, because this stuff is you know if you can get a hold of it it's like really great bug killer. But it doesn't include DDT anymore I presume? No this was DDT Oh! It was just straight DDT Anyway Yeah there was actually an interesting story I mean, the argument out here in California where a lot of this stuff began was that it was making the pelican eggs. It wasn't pelicans you're right, it wasn't eagles, it was pelicans. Yeah, it's pelicans. The eggs were getting thin and they blamed on DDT and I don't know how they documented that but that's what began the whole thing because we need our pelicans.

2:34:23 Which is a great bird by the way if you're driving around the San Francisco Bay Area and there's a lot of pelicans around, and you see them flying. If you can't put two-and-two together to see how the reptiles became birds then your oblivious in the obvious. Okay well I got something... Oh! There it is again. It's my style what I'm doing. I gotta guess the movie Oh, I have a couple complaints by the way for that. I'm gonna come out on this show I've been about me about me in particular not about things okay Do it do I want to start with one of the complaints? I thought we're doing guess them before well guess the movie after this okay This one I want you to get this will be another Adam guest something

2:35:07 This is what's wrong with this clip from American dad. Okay, so is this an ask Adam? Is this a well you know it's just not don't worry about and lastly the school's orangutan mascots been missing since last week if anyone sees it alert the new head of the zoology department oh There it is It would be zoology instead of zoo I'd like to know how a Seth MacFarlane has a huge staff of people. I don't want to beat this to death! I've been to a table reading, you know this right? Of... I think you mentioned it once before there's a huge number of people and that the table reading is a good example How many are at the table? Oh 20? 20 and they all read this script And then somebody says zoology and nobody says anything? No Okay well then you're dealing with idiots Seth has Tourette's by the way

2:35:59 Oh, that makes nothing but sense. Yeah he's got the same tics that I do Which is why i'm convinced he doesn't like to do interviews? oh That would explain it He's very rarely on an interview. I don't-I think i've seen him once ever All right time for guess the guess the movie yeah Guess The Movie And now its time for another episode of Guess That Movie Alrighty here we go everybody! Guess That Movies! The game show where I suck I have to warn you, I like a lot of... whatchamacallit? Foreplay. Is that enough? I guess so!

2:36:49 I got such a the scene so you can really get get because you don't seem to seem that You know what this is? But you don't even let me respond, but okay. Okay, no, but you need to set the scene go ahead. I'm listening She says I like foreplay grabs her breasts and then she says he says that's enough and boom They just wanted to make sure you had that part is um. I'll give you another hint okay Matthew Modine yes of course it is this is Ferris Bueller's day off You only get one guess. Oh, I can't do the break. Have a second guest at The Breakfast Club

2:37:31 What is it? Private school. Oh, I've never seen that one how could i know that? Why? I gotta get a better feeling for what kind of movies you like so I can... I can tell you what movie I watched last night with my wife! Okay, what? Uh uh uh uh what's her name uh Candace Cameron uh Cameron Diaz with the sex tape. Candice Cameron... Sex Tape was the name of it yeah is where she makes a sex tape with her husband and that's supposed to be a very funny movie. I have to tell you, we were sitting because i had done all my prep during the day okay and uh... and even ate my pizza during the preps around six so it was seven o'clock so done really tired and said well let's watch a movie and we're scanning through the netflix and then oh! We want this is going to be the dumbest movie ever

2:38:25 And it was really not... It was pretty good. Rob Lowe, perfect Rob Lowe character. Somebody could have cut some bits out of it Cameron a lot of Cameron naked very very sexy The premise of the movie is completely stupid But yeah I liked it! I would give it a 7 I'm just quite high on everything. Okay, fine. And you should become a reviewer on Rotten Tomatoes? And I said to Mickey...I said, I should have paid attention when Cameron's mom was pushing her onto me during Circus of the Stars Really?! Yeah! She was 13 so okay, ya know. Which she was kind of homely. 19? 15? 19-20? 19! She was kinda homely looking. Ehh, she needs makeup but she looks good. But she blossomed. Wooo!

2:39:21 Alright, well then I have only two more things. I don't know if mmm... I could save some of it. Umm..I think i should do the Ebola piece as predicted Sir Bob Geldof and Midge-urr Your buddy! Midge-urrr Of Ultravox Big announcement Big announcement, Band Aid 30 everybody. That's right releasing once again do they know it's Christmas time and this falls right in line with not only Facebook but Google both soliciting donations for Ebola so we're ratcheting this puppy up even though there's been no Ebola and Sierra Leone for 42 days more than 42 days now

2:40:21 I think adding credence to at least my thesis slash theorem that this is bullcrap to surround the oil, arm some rebels. The president finally released his... where is it? Released the... let me get it here Did we already do the fiscal year 2015 budget amendments? I think we did that, right? Perhaps. Okay but as Congress to consider includes enclosed fiscal year 2015 budget amendments for the Department of Defense this is to combat of course the cuts in the increases. Amendments will provide for 5.6 billion dollars oh that's for the degrade and ultimately defeat the Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant

2:41:14 $5 billion in addition to the 58.6 billion dollars bringing to 63.6 billion dollars for some more money? I'm sorry, the ISIL stuff is not in here... hmm okay oh the Ebola stuff So, can I go back to Ebola? Yeah hit it. So the two things are one...I find it very disturbing this Google and Facebook raising money for Ebola. I don't understand what why what do you mean why Why are they doing it? I said I don't understand They say because it's a bit I think is just ramping up hysteria

2:42:01 We do have a pandemic. The elections are over! Yeah, they just started this I think they missed a point. They didn't know this was all about the elections! We have Mali involved in this as well, you know? Mali now has... and we know our economic hitman said yes, Ebola. A 70 year old imam died from Ebola and the 24 year old nurse who was treating him. That's the way i want to go So this is coming back. We have Sir Bob and Midge Dewar, a little bit of their announcement... Bob Geldof he now he's been called by the UN This is what he does they pay him to do this They pay him and you know there's they've got all kinds of little companies It's all in the show notes if you're interested in looking at it we have the What was it called? The Wood Charm Limited which is

2:43:01 the company. that handles all the rights and licensing for Band-Aid, hashtag bandaid30. And you look at Harvey Goldsmith he's the big concert promoter who put on live aid... So this is Band Aid 30s for Ebola? It's for Ebola. You know this isn't gonna fly I'm telling you the Ebola thing was all about the elections The elections are over! Uh it's not all about the elections John it's about uh Africa and West Africa in particular This has been my thesis which is why its ongoing What's interesting about this is that if you look at the charter of Woodcharm Ltd. and Band-Aid 30, which has been renamed... Their charter has always been to feed the world and it continues. Some proceeds still, which is very low at this point have been going to help feed the world

2:43:56 but now all of a sudden, which is not the charter of the charity. They're going to feed Ebola or help Ebola because the UN has asked Bob Geldof to do this telling me again that remember the world food programs involved? You remember John, The Big Scam we talked about coming back to you? Yeah I know we talked about it quite a lot of pressure on Midge and myself too um, do it for, um, by suppose cultural reasons or whatever, documentaries and things. And neither of us are into nostalgia but about three weeks ago I got a call from the UN

2:44:32 saying that they required at least a 20% increase across the board in assistance and materials. So this is how it works, the UN's calling everybody. They're calling Geldof, they're calling Zuckerberg, they're calling Sergei or Eric or Larry or whatever we need twenty percent increase and personnel. They can't put a number on it, but they're very concerned that the situation in West Africa will either spiral beyond those borders sometime around the beginning or mid-December or will be contained." Sounds like we only have a couple weeks before it spirals out of control! I think what triggered it both for Midge and myself was the phenomenal bravery

2:45:22 of the national health workers, the nurses and doctors. This guy's boring! Okay so you don't want to hear it anymore? Do you want to hear the song? The song I... yeah. The songs not out yet. Well i'd be very interested when it comes out. Ebola, do they know it's Christmas time? That's the song. You know the song! Yeah you think they would know now now you're just now off to edge that's the song it's cool It's a remake They're gonna remake and use the word Ebola in this song Well you don't want to listen to Geldof So you would have found out I don't because it might as well stick pins in my eyes listening to that guy Yak

2:46:19 I just wanted to get one thing out of the way since we seem to be ignoring it to an extreme on the show. Which is that Mexico's on the borderline of having a revolution down there. It's not covered by us, it's not being covered by the mainstream media in the United States... ...it's being covered internationally! But they're burning down the place! That area where 43 students were murdered is now being burned to the ground and they are now in Mexico City burning down palaces. Tell me what- please tell me Well, let's play a couple of reports so we can at least catch up and then we could end. Start with France 24's report on this

2:46:57 To Mexico now, where protesters angry over the disappearance of 43 college students have set fire to a state congress building in Guero State. It's just the latest in a series of violent protests that have erupted since Friday when authorities said that a drug gang were responsible for the murders it's an official line the protesters refused to accept Oliver Farry has this report Relatives of the 43 missing students are angry and still in the dark. They met Tuesday night with independent Argentine investigators only to learn that the bodies found in a mass grave close to Iguala may not be those of the missing. The families are remaining cautious. In light of the evidence found in the bags, how it was found where it was found there is still no confirmation Now obviously genetic forensics have led us down a different route

2:47:58 The federal government had said last week that gang members confessed to the killing. But speaking to France Franc, Mexico's deputy foreign minister said the government was not rushing to conclusions. They are missing and they will remain so until we know exactly their identity of the remnants that were just sent to one specialized laboratory in Austria. Protesters on Tuesday held Guerrero State's deputy security chief for several hours before handing him over to a local human rights group

2:48:36 The ruling Institutional Revolutionary Party's regional headquarters were also torched. The demonstrators say they want justice for the 43 students who went missing in September. Amid the unrest, President Ernesto Peña Nieto has been criticized for traveling to China for a summit. The tragic Murky case has undermined his assurances that his security strategy was bearing fruit and reducing Mexico's infamous gang warfare. Okay. We have something to do with this, with our situation with the Sinaloa cartel but they never discussed any of that play there democracy now is another take on this these are all slightly different perspectives okay

2:49:20 Protests are continuing across Mexico after the apparent confession of gang members for the massacre of 43 college students in the southern state of Guerrero six weeks ago. On Friday, the Mexican attorney general said suspects in the case admitted to killing the students and incinerating their bodies, leading investigators to the remains. The students disappeared following a police ambush fueling public anger over government corruption and Mexico's endemic violence. On Saturday, a breakaway group of protesters set fire to the door of the presidential palace in Mexico City after a march that drew thousands of people. Mexican President Enrique Peña Nieto has drawn criticism for leaving Mexico to attend the APEC summit in China amidst the unrest.

2:50:09 A new report from a leading Mexican journalist says Peña Nieto lives in a private mansion owned by a contractor who received a lucrative government contract to build high-speed rail. We'll have more from Mexico after headlines. This is getting strange and then we have the last clip I have two more but I think one will do which is this Is the guy who's the head of the Mexican law journal? speaking and Discussing the possibility of a coup d'etat. Yeah, okay Which can happen at any moment apparently And this is them Mexico fancy ideas straight that national palace was burned by governor

2:50:48 provocateurs and a coordinated action. All of the sudden, a few hours later, Peña just goes—we say no to violence. We are in favor of peace. Violence is done by the Mexican state! We don't have to wait for Tlatelolco. This is a Tlatelolco massacre. It already happened!" And so that's where our word is coming from. Of course, hopefully there's not another one. But on Wednesday—and I know I'm taking up too much time. We can come back to it. On Monday, sorry, this Monday, the Mexican military—you mentioned Boca Nifaso? What happened in Burkina Faso? Cureta, on Monday—the Mexican military. Front page on Tuesday but on Monday the general, Cienfuegos said we are ready to intervene not only to combat organized crime but we are ready to intervene to defend Enrique Peña Nieto's political

2:51:34 political reforms, structural reforms economic reforms. This is a political agenda that the military is setting out there and this is very dangerous That's why it's very important that we're here in Paris And then there's a lot of international attention here because otherwise the Mexican military which historically has been very well disciplined might start to get fancy ideas and that would be dangerous Okay, can you break it down? I'm trying to now but is the thing is that we're not in I believe the United States's Is yet to get involved in this and that's why the news outlets. We don't discuss it when you look at the foreign This time this country's burning I would say that the reason why our news in America is not showing it as because of

2:52:20 No one is being offered for interviews by the, by the straight department. Cause that's typically how it happens. What are we going to do? Oh, I got a call in. Oh yeah. So talk to some guy. Okay. We don't know when there's no bookers going out there trying to find news talent bookers. Uh, so okay. Military coup d'etat is that the possibility although this guy Enrique Pena Netto uh, would be part of it. Whatever is going on, it seems to be a little off script from the normal stuff that we look at. It's right on our border which you'd think they would get more attention than it gets. Hello my border! Right down the street from you and this needs to be followed a little more closely because

2:53:15 Nobody else is discussing it. I mean, we had enough trouble trying to get anything going with the Venezuelan situation and we had people criticizing us for having... But yeah, for not being able to do anything because of lack of information? Yeah, we have no information, no insights. We got same situation here. I don't know how many…We have a couple of Mexican donors donors, maybe even a knight. That would be nice if we heard from them but this situation looks grim and it may be something that's been boiling over for some time which would account for all the people flocking across the border

2:53:53 Because this country is a mess. Because it's messed up, right? I mean you can play the last clip if you want which talks about impunity This is they put the Mexican military on trial or for a previous massacre that we've never discussed in the United States They are now trying seven or eight military officials in civilian courts This is a major advance in terms of justice but And they're doing it because of the international pressure. They are being tried not for this massacre, but for the previous massacre on June 30th in Tlatelaya which was absolutely and totally covered up by all levers of government in particular by the federal attorney general for three months until The Associated Press and independent witness came out

2:54:33 and made this international scandal. This was before Ayotzinapa, before this more recent massacre And that's what forced the Mexican government to now try these military Today with the new massacre in Iguala which is much worse once again the military and federal officials are being protected Well...I think one thing for sure there's drugs involved There's drugs involved and apparently there is a lot of disappearing going on in Mexico which is being discussed in the UN and some other centers of influence, mostly Europe. And so let me ask you a question... Should Miss Mickey go to Mexico City to discuss her art expo there? I don't see why not You said the country was on fire It is

2:55:22 Is Mexico City okay? She's got an escort. She's fine. She's gonna roam around, I mean... There are so many people that have disappeared they just keep disappearing! I mean there is a lot of kidnappings obviously that go on in Mexico and that has been a huge problem where even this has been going on for decades Hey Gringo let's kidnap the tall blonde one! I hear he can get lots of donations I, my experience in Mexico last time. I was in Mexico city was don't do this. Don't do that drive around and the richest of the rich drive around and bulletproof junkers nobody can drive around in a nice Mercedes or anything else because it gets because you looked like a target And that was like a decade or even longer ago. I mean, and it's been deteriorating so God knows what the heck is going on.

2:56:11 I don't think it's a place you can't visit if you're cautious, but it's not... And this is all taking place south of Mexico City even though Mexico City was where the riots were. They had some there and they tried to burn down one of the executive mansions but it was not the place he lives because he lives in a fancier place than they had the honcho, El Presidente. Okay so two things I've learned from this one we certainly need help from our Mexican producers I don't think i've received anything, any feedback info or whatever. We need some boots on the ground information Two! Second thing I've learned When you uh for the people who are making us jalopies to ride around with the big engines Bulletproof! I'd like them to be bulletproof Bulletproof jalopy with a big engine sticking out Alrighty Bulletproof yeah bulletproof so tomorrow morning er lie we fly to New York City

2:57:13 And if not everything has been disrupted by the peak of the... ...cyclogenesis. Which Kaku predicted, and I guess we'll see if we can change our strategy there on Syria by Sunday to put more boots on the ground and get them out and whatever Everyone's doing stuff at work and we are here to deconstruct it for you as best we can. We do our best, help us! Help me! Please remember us at the... We need some help for the Mexican stuff. And we always need your financial support dvorak.org slash NA Coming to you from FEMA Region 6 it's pretty chilly in the morning everybody I'm Adam Curry and from northern Silicon Valley where it was not chilly at all It was raining this morning but now its clearing up right now the California desert

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