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00:00 I gotta go see this guy. Who does he think he is? Oh, it's the mouse guy! Adam Curry John C Devorah It's Thursday October 16th 2014 time for your Gitmo Nation media assassination episode 661 This is no agenda Soon to be on the Do Not Bored List nationwide. Broadcasting from FEMA Region 6 in the capital of the drone star state, Austin Texas in the morning everybody! I'm Adam Curry and from Northern Silicon Valley I am John C. DeVore. I could have used that as the opening line, I suppose. No chance. It is a very important day today John! It's a great day for America. Oh wow was that Ronald Reagan who did the Great Day For America speech? That's what Craig Ferguson does on his show every day. No it is hashtag spiritday

01:05 Hashtag spirit day we must all go purple today That's right this is from the glad The glads that gay and lesbian alliance against dorks. What is glad a? Gay, and lesbian yeah gay and lesbian That's a good question not to mention. I don't know we wanted his either really Dee Dee what is Dee Dee? No, it's ad GL a gl a ad yeah gay and I don't get it It doesn't matter look at up this is funny that idea you think they would do anything We would know this yeah, yeah lesbian alliance against discrimination Let's see something like that

01:58 Yeah, we should know. This is quite disturbing. Well this is very... The joke of it but this is the difference between new media versus old media and new media like this where you say well let's just look at up or as we say While you're looking that up, this is the... Well let's see it's not here on the GLAAD website. So let's see what it might be under... Today is the day we all go purple and lesbian alliance against defamation! Defamation I was close enough okay today we all go purple which means you need to change your

02:38 Well, yes change your icon they have a little tool Glad spirit day tool to turn your profile picture purple and spread the word by posting to Twitter and Facebook This is because 8 out of 10 LGBT youth are bullied. Eight out of ten? Mm-hmm fact says it right here on the website I'm looking at it right now That's a lot. Yeah, yeah. Does that include those big guys who work out at the gym and beat the crap out of people who would even attempt to bully them? I guess so. Those guys? Yes, I'm sure there it is the number of LGBT youth report being bullied eight out of ten oh well they've been once in their life perhaps they would know

03:25 And what's bullying now? What's the definition it just keeps varying. I don't know, I am not changing my icon i've already changed It to blue and green once and really stayed with you really have ever seen my icon is blue in a screen Okay, but it wasn't participating any kind of any kind of day No, it was it was changed To be all purpose yeah Uh and an icon a true icon is not a picture or anything that's just these colors like they're kept them Well, you know... Important colors blue and green. As I will say right off the bat we have an issue with all these anti-bullying laws that are being put into place etc as they are completely a breach of free speech

04:11 It's the road to the end of free speech. We've been watching this since the beginning of our show and it just continues, it actually says we've been doing this show for almost seven years I want to remind people that. Yeah thats coming up in ten days! Seven years of wonderment and some bewilderment... We're still on air! It's so long it really is. Yeah, well this program I have to say there are so many facets to this show besides just the show itself if you really think about The artwork we have the infrastructure that we have that makes it all run which is completely outside of any mainstream system We have our own infrastructure

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05:38 And for people who have not subscribed to the newsletter, you are missing out on a big part of the show. And I realize this once again—of course whenever i read the newsletter it's... yeah, if think about these things but you had a dynamite newsletter where you really summed up that everything certainly what you see in the United States of Gitmo Nation but of course because of the vast expansive nature of our mainstream media, it flows into every other country in the Gitmos is that the main crises that you're seeing right now

06:19 If they are not being politicized, they were created for political reasons. And it's important to understand this right now there is believe me in the White House in the halls of government up on Capitol Hill and people are not talking about your safety. They're not talking about your health. They're talking about how they can stay in power and what do we need to do to get people devote for them in less than four weeks time. That's what it is! You have to rethink all news items within 60 to 90 days of an election day as possibly connected

07:02 Possibly. Wow! There was mention in this last newsletter, the following assertion which is one that we've been harping on which is these tricks the Democrats have been pulling to get Republican women to switch over and it's just very targeted toward Republican women by scaring them with guns and scaring them with this and that and Sandy Hook It seems possible that the Republicans weren't going to stay flat-footed on this, which it appeared they were. But now what triggered the thought in that newsletter was the Ebola bumper sticker. Yeah, now was this a real Ebola bumper sticker that you saw in the wild or is this one that's being sold? Me and he saw it in the wild and told me about it. So explain since we're at an audio meeting It's a bumper sticker that looks like Obama bumper sticker uses the Obama logo And says E-BOLA and the O is the Obama logo Which by the way is copyrighted This is an illegal bumper sticker Oh yeah! And in The Black Trunks weighing in over 3 thousand troops The ISIS of virus

08:04 The killer from Nigeria, Ibo! Yeah, and something...I noticed a couple of things. I don't know if you had something you wanted to start off with today? Well, I just wanted to make...I don't have a clip that relates specifically to this observation but what I wanted to say is that the Republicans when they were running George Bush, I realized that all their fear-mongering had to do with terrorism and outside things attacking inside the country in other words

08:43 outside forces that we had to protect everyone from, and that was the way to frighten. And I don't want to just blame this on the women men fall for this too as you know because you've seen frightened man tell me about killed by ISIS coming across the border. Yeah it's so Republicans have always used that is their leverage the big international threat And the Democrats have always gone short, been short. They've been you know the gun threat is a gun thread of shooting a black kid guns killing your kids and that's the thing and so it has they have kind of more narrow image about how to scare people

09:19 And the Republicans go for the big ones. And I realized that this is a whopper, this Ebola thing is just a whopper it's done to and everything's about embarrassing the president. It's his fault! And I think that I can show some of this politicization going on with some of the things that I've discovered and there's a big, a big whopper on the horizon which is a very interesting one Perhaps, I'll start off this way. The president was at Andrews Joint Base... What is it? Andrews Air Force Base. Some of those have a joint somewhere. They call it Joint something or other. Joe Manchin He's probably in the locker. With all these flags and all these other, you know generals who look like they came right out of Central Casting for Starfleet Command. Then he's sitting there doing a presser...a 10-minute presser mainly about ISIS but then he pulls out the Ebola card and I wanted to play that and then show you that

10:17 that the president and the Democrats in the White House are realizing, the danger that is upon them with this being blamed on him. And what I'm seeing the blame turning out to be is because of Obamacare, because of the cuts—this is what the Republicans are saying—this is why things are going wrong. This is why our system is ruined so he has to do whatever he can Combat this and then there's some other interesting things that are being done as well, but this one first What was that yeah, what kind of a press conference with that might as well play it now I

11:03 Sorry, it was cued up and I hit the wrong button. We have made enormous strides in just a few short weeks in standing up a US military operation in Western Africa Now listen very carefully about this military operation that apparently is necessary to fight Ebola. They can start building the kind of transport lines and supply lines to get workers, supplies medicine equipment Does this sound strange to you, John? This supply lines and what are they building? The all I see is a couple of tents. I have no idea if we have three and a half thousand combat troops. There's a number of mysterious things that have happened this week that are not necessarily explainable on the surface. And I think

11:55 I think it's gonna take a little more digging to figure out what's going on with some of this stuff and this may be one of them. ...into Liberia, Sierra Leone and Guinea... And the number of countries who are represented here are really stepping up in doing what is necessary in order for us to contain this epidemic but as I've said before and I'm gonna keep on repeating until we start seeing more progress Whenever he says this you have to pay attention Because he's trying to make a very big point and I think the point is If other countries don't participate in our supply lines or whatever we're doing We're gonna send some Ebola your way as the way it sounds The world as a whole is not doing enough. There are a number of countries that have capacity that have not yet stepped up

12:41 Those that have stepped up, all of us are going to have to do more because unless we contain this at the source this is going to continue to pose a threat to individual countries There's no place that is more than a couple of air flights away. And the transmission of this disease obviously directly threats all our populations, in addition we have not only humanitarian crisis in West Africa that threatens hundreds of thousands of lives, but we also have the secondary effects of destabilization economically and politically that could lead to more severe problems down the road. Or perhaps some freedom and democracy coming your way? That is possible now last night or maybe it was the night before I caught Anderson Pooper who seems to be in Texas outside the hospital just standing around. I can actually probably just drive up to Dallas and just say hi you know we go so far back

13:44 Then this cropped up and all of a sudden I went, oh okay now i know what is happening. the guidelines were constantly changing and quote there were no protocols. And that's just the beginning of their claims Dr Sanjay Gupta was just on that press call he is back with us now but what does this organization claiming happened inside this hospital? Now before we let to Sanjay Gupta in on the conversation, This is a union and this is what got my attention

14:25 of all the things we could hear, and it's gone from health care worker to nurses. Nurses, nurses, nurses, nurses and I'm pretty sure why but this kind of tipped me off and i wasn't hearing a lot about this until these guys brought it up at seeing lower thirds nurses may walk off the job so this is a union issue with this they are making some pretty startling claims as you mentioned from anonymous nurses within the hospital that do not wish to be identified But some of these things so important with regard to possible other infections. They say that Mr Duncan was left for several hours not in isolation but an area where other patients were present, up to seven patients they say and even after a nursing supervisor demanded that he be put into isolation they said it was met with opposition from hospital authorities I just want to remind you he said we heard from anonymous nurses which means nothing It could be made-up at this point

15:18 Also, the laboratory samples. The blood samples typically with patients who have a concern about infectious disease they are taken straight to the lab instead they say this was transported through the hospital tube system which is a tube system... It's like the internet! This tube system! All sorts of samples are spent A lot of people What is this about? Tube system? Apparently these hospitals old-fashionedly have those vacuum tubes Like at the bank Yeah, we like the bank used to have or actually the banks. I think a lot of banks still have that in the car drive That's where you want your ebola

15:55 Access to it and they worry that the entire system there could be potentially contaminated This was this one really it was quite quite so is also complete bogativeness The in the whole system might be contaminated. This is still making it up, but again It's coming from unconfirmed sources a container of Ebola blood which blew off into Was it leaking? I mean, it's surprising to me. Apparently nurses expressed concern about the fact that their necks were not covered taking care of a patient with Ebola. They were told to wrap medical tape. He goes on and on about this

16:33 And so we have... Sounds bogus. Yes, medical tape really? We have a nurse issue So the president of course wants to bring this to the forefront and say no it's all good I feel protected The nurses are good Nurses are okay as long as you follow the protocols I want to use myself as an example just so that people have a sense the science here. Oh, it's the science. There is a lot of science flying around yeah for sure. shook hands with, hugged and kissed. Not the doctors but a couple of the nurses." Not the doctors but a couple of the nurses! He hugged and kissed the nurses. He's kissing nurses now? What is wrong with this guy?! And he's repeating this everywhere! I want to use myself as an example just so that people have a sense of... She's looking for her cheap feel! The science here. I... Oh that's science

17:31 Don't interrupt for a minute. All right, come on. I just threw that in as a little ditty. Yeah, that's what you had to do. But then this one... Now this has not ...I have not seen any real news reports about this nurses union and we're talking about the National Nurses United here is a clip I was able to find ...I can't remember what this is from but well, it becomes apparent here. This is from July this year so this is a couple months ago. Kavabayans joined about 300 nurses and union representatives who gathered in front of the California Nurses Association building to slam their employer Kaiser Permanente of dismissing the importance of patient care which is alarming they say because Kaiser is the largest health insurer and hospital system in California

18:31 We had a rally today. We were supposed to have bargaining but our employer failed to show up so we went to them instead, So we rallied over at their offices and let them know that we were there and what our purpose was to be there The nurses say that despite the 1.1 billion dollar increase in Kaiser profits for the first quarter of 2014 Kaiser still allows chronic understaffing and continues to cut patient services Those cuts include hospital admission restrictions, holding patients in observation for over 72 hours and prematurely sending patients from Kaiser hospitals to other settings that include homes where the burden of providing care falls on the families. So there is a dispute and there's about 200,000 workers in this union

19:17 a dispute that I believe is being politicized with this Ebola. Yeah! And it's interesting that its Kaiser, so Kaiser is one of if not the largest health insurer... Right. Funny how you have the Kaiser Health Report on NPR and funny how there's not a lot of reporting on this issue between Kaiser and the nurses In fact, I don't see much coverage of it at all. Yeah and because the mainstream media again even if it's public NPR or PBS in this case is corrupt by this but

19:57 This will not stay under the radar. This is being pushed very, very hard when you have nurses walking off the job because they don't feel safe because they're going to assert or the Republican Party will assert it's because of Obamacare cuts and right now it's kind of covered up that all premiums are about to rise for workers covered at work so it was very nice and besides you know, why wouldn't you? You should pay more to be covered for Ebola. This is a huge problem for the administration. That's good. A huge problem and I think this that the...I'm just looking at this Bogative clipboard guy with the plane and letting you know taking the nurse to the hospital in Atlanta

20:49 I just don't believe it anymore. I'm not going to believe it." Here's another one for you then, and I think adds right into the basic thesis here... The second nurse that caught Ebola somehow out of Dallas jumps on an airplane after supposedly according to the New York Times calls the CDC says, "'I have a little temperature,' and I've been working on that guy that had Ebola.' Can I- is it okay for me to fly?" to go!" And so they said she's good to go because she is not 100.4 degrees, which is the earmark of our Ebola. She was only 99 point whatever. Oh but according to the literature if it's 101.5 that is the...which I have just pinching a loaf!

21:34 How did that get into the conversation? I just thought about that guy fixing the air conditioner. Oh, now anyway so she's now on an airplane floating around and this is just drawing more attention to both the nurses dilemma and the Ebola And I don't think the unions realize that they're playing kind of into Republican hands here. Well, maybe...who knows? The unions, I don't think the unions necessarily care who they're working with But I think the unions, they just want the power. Now NBC...just to prove how bogus all of this really is, NBC had a cameraman still as yet unexplained was he filming and touching people at the same time with his other hand? Did he slip and fall in some goo? Who knows how he received this Ebola but

22:27 But everyone who was on the crew was in quarantine and Nancy Snyderman, the NBC doctor who was there and also in quarantine just completely ignored it. She was walking around New Jersey at a restaurant. And our chief medical editor Dr. Nancy Snyderman has been on the news herself these past few days we spoke with Nancy earlier today during which time she said quote while I Under voluntary quarantine guidelines, which called for our team to avoid public contact for 21 days. Members of our group violated those guidelines and understand that our quarantine is now mandatory until 21 days have passed. We remain healthy and our temperatures are normal as a health professional I know that we have no symptoms and pose no risk to the public but i am deeply sorry for the concerns

23:13 this episode caused. We are thrilled that Ashoka is getting better and our thoughts continue to be with the thousands affected by Ebola whose stories we all went to cover. Everybody knows that this is just a bunch of fear-mongering, scary stuff for the elections. And Sneiderman knows that so he's like I'm not gonna sit in my house for three weeks! I'm gonna go get a pizza!" Well either that or Snyderman is a Republican operative. Well you know there's that possibility but let's just... This morning I clipped this off CNN this morning This is so crazy. Of course, we see last night we see or was last night the night before? We see this this airplane and we see the you know, the the so called second patient, the nurse in her yellow hat it's not a brain slicker it's not really a hazmat suit and then there's clipboard guy walking around

24:08 And this needs to be explained so CNN, you know they can't get an official answer from anybody. So they go to the next best thing which of course is ABC News because they're pretty much the spokes whole arm for the administration. This is Michaela by the way our friend Michaela. Michaela's on CNN? Yeah that's what I'm saying. Oh I think it says ABC. CNN couldn't get an official to talk about it. They got ABC to tell them what the truth was. That guy with clipboard in street clothes not wearing any sort of protective clothing. Is it?

24:43 Is this concerning, Elizabeth? I think to the untrained eye the optics of it are concerning. There's your optics again! The optics are concerning. You see four people taking great caution in taking care of a patient who is in the yellow hazmat suit. Right so optics are not always right. Optics are not always right, right?! Optics are not always right... This is a great sentence this one should be bumper sticker, right? Optics are not always right. We reached out to Phoenix Air the folks who were doing the transport we haven't gotten a hold of them but they did speak to ABC News and they had a very reasonable explanation I mean if ABC News says so then it just must be true which is that the guys in the suits have limited visibility and so you want someone out there to give them verbal directions not touch them

25:31 To say you know move here go here. You can't get your nut in this shot The guy was holding the script This was a rehearsal shot supervisor according to ABC So I know it might look a little bit funny, but yeah Look a little funny no attention to the funny-looking stuff You know at that distance he's not gonna you know, he's not right near her. He's not in contact with her bodily fluids I'm pleased to say that clipboard guy now has his own Twitter handle board though if anyone wants to tweet to him Let's distract people quickly with it with a Twitter to him be feeling a little yeah look now boy wait wait wait you're gonna love this

26:20 And for $500, John C. Dvorak, The Science Says! Three feet away you're safe. That's exactly right Good job, well let's play these little background clips then can I do my big reveal?

26:56 No. I'll reveal after these background clips. Give me some background clips. Okay, let's play the... There are two that I pulled down that I thought were in it. One is of course is the background clip on that second nurse flying around which was just an intro to this story itself and you can play that. Yeah, you need to tell me the name of it. That's Ebola New Case Flying Around. Oh! New case flying around. A second Texas healthcare worker has... I love Amy Goodman Did we have a clip where she said explosive diarrhea? Someone said we needed to clip that out. I don't have it, but it sounds like a winner. A second Texas health care worker has tested positive for Ebola in the United States after treating the first person diagnosed with the disease here on U.S soil. The unnamed worker follows the positive diagnosis of nurse Nina Pham

27:46 to It's interesting how the president and Frieden, all these guys after the first

28:27 nurse fell ill, where you know, oh follow the protocols. We can contain this." And then I believe that it's fake John. Nothing would be better than to have this happen. You embarrass the entire establishment, the entire administration. Yeah well that's long term...that's the goal I'm now beginning to believe. Let's listen to the bull crap Ebola analysis The problem is, is that much of our innovation is driven by the private sector. And from their point of view, Ebola was not a predictable disease and those who got Ebola were too poor to pay for it and so there's been a lack of investment Not only are we not enough doses of ZMapp but they weren't even tested They're only now

29:17 vaccines and others going through clinical testing. And so we really just don't have those things on the ground, I just want to make a very quick comment if i can about it We call ourselves the most advanced health system in the world Oh man! But what do you mean by that? I think what we mean by that is that we have the best of the best of the world but we also have a highly variable system So many different hospitals, so many different emergency rooms. We have over 3500 local health authorities." Wow these clips fit in perfectly you're so right! This is completely moving in the direction of Obamacare has failed us and wait for it I get put it in the book

30:04 Somewhere, some Republican is going to say death panels. Who gets the vaccine? Death panels! You watch, you watch it happen. They won't reuse the exact same phrase but it'll be similar. Why not?! Well, you could. The public is dumb! Why not? Put it in the book. Adam... Nah put it in the book Now I only have one more that can follow up when you do your big reveal because its just a little- It's about the nonsense of numbers we're getting Yeah, well we can play it. This is not this is this one? This is a I give you the kind of the Background because the short clip is Ebola 1 to 110 thousand They there everyone's going on about well We've had almost we have 9000 cases But it's gonna all of a sudden become 10,000 cases a week Have you heard this

30:58 It doesn't surprise me. We're all going to die. It's 8,914 cases are the number today. We will go over 9000 cases this week at this trend as you can see the number of reported deaths are 4447 as of this morning We anticipate the number of cases occurring per week by that time, it's going to be somewhere between 5 and 10 thousand a week. You know could be higher could be lower you know but it's gonna be somewhere in that ballpark. What happens if they're wrong? If they're wrong... Life as you know on earth ends. Catastrophe! Yeah

32:02 It works for a keeper now it works the other number they've been throwing out I don't know how they got this because the guy just gave the numbers there's 440 four thousand four hundred deaths not over 9,000 cases almost 10,000 cases. This is like job saved or set numbers come back Oh yeah, this is like jobs saved or created And the 70- I heard on NPR earlier this week that we have to keep it below the 70% mortality rate. That is the magic tipping point number and it's all just made up! It's made up! Show me the piles of dead people, show me! Show me the boils and the bleeding from the eyeballs, show me! I can handle it, I can handle dead Palestinian children Come on, show it to me, show it to me

32:47 Yeah, they do. We have to remind our listeners and producers that they have no qualms The mainstream media, the public broadcasters everybody have no qualms about showing us dead Palestinians in Gaza. Dead babies but they won't show us this. Yeah you can see it shows something wrapped up thrown in a hole. They've shown a couple of them once. Anybody bleeding from the eyes? No! You're supposed to bleed from the ears and the eyes and the mouth. And the only people I see in these tents where apparently there's lots of crews over there including Nancy Snyderman They're filming and all you see...you don't see people with boils and blisters, any other evidence of hemorrhagic fever. No! You see them drinking. Oh I'm going to drink some water, I am so sick from Ebola. We have a kid walking around then laying down on the ground for the CNN camera. Oh I'm an Ebola victim. Now here's the big reveal

33:44 Okay, to prove to you now this is you should need to see the video But I'll explain what it is and then more importantly who's behind this. This is Republican cuts kill from the agenda project Which is interesting in relation to our little show here and this video They're trying to make this go viral really pushing very hard And it is blaming the Ebola crisis on the cuts Republicans forced through Congress Washington actually can cut spending. The CDC says its discretionary funding has been cut by $585 million since 2010. Cut! Less government. Cut! Please be cautious. Cut! Our budget has been flat since 2003, responding to an emerging infectious disease threat this is particularly damaging. That was the left hook. The right cross was the sequestration.

34:38 The NIH saw its budget slashed by $446 million. Cut, cut, cut, cut There are outbreaks happening today that we're not able to recognize stop or prevent as effectively as we should be able to. Cut, cut, cut, cut, cut, cut, cut, cut, cut, make a cut So you see, oh there's some breathing cuts kill Republicans kill people. This is the counter attack. And here's the first thing that comes to mind when I hear this

35:17 The CDC had $585 million cut. How big is their budget? Yeah, well wait! The Agenda Project New York-based nonprofit organization founded by Erica Payne... Does this ring a bell? No. Erica Payne, well she has a Wiki page here let me read to you prior to joining the Here we go. Founder of the Agenda Project, monthly newsletter 10 000 political philanthropic leaders before joining the agenda project full-time Payne led the Tesseract Group a boutique consulting firm that provided strategy and communications served as a senior strategist for the Roosevelt Institute

36:00 There, she worked with George Soros, Elizabeth Warren, Simon Johnson. Other clients the Brennan Center for Justice, Citizens for Responsibility and Ethics and her early career she served as Deputy National Finance Director for the Democratic National Committee. This and so, you know she's making $300,000 a year off of this $900,000 a year grant that she gets in for this little non-profit of hers. Yeah, she's a Democrat operative Yes! Of which 150 thousand is for travel So it's pretty much a nice life for her And then she was told to go out there do something quick

36:42 And she threw together this video. That sounds quick! Cut, cut, cut... Just threw it together and so that to me is proof that they are scrambling trying to do anything to turn this around and possibly I mean i don't know how but someone's going to endear and embrace the nurses union and they better do it quick So either Obama who says he's out there hugging and kissing the nurses Which is, I mean how low will you stoop? It's like, what if someone says some of my best friends are black or gay. Well, I kissed some nurses! It's...I think that's a lousy thing to say. It's very pathetic. Yeah. It's not presidential either. No it's lousy. And now Bill Clinton said it and made more sense. Yeah, it's funnier yeah. And then I guess we're going to see the big

37:38 had the big benefit coming soon. The Zuckerbergs have donated... Tell me this, how much was cut from the CDC's budget? Half a billion you said? 585. Yeah 585. So right in line with the Zuckerbergs, they're now known as the Zuckerbergs. The zucks! have donated $25 million to the CDC, which as far as I know is not a philanthropic organization. It's a government agency. Yeah you don't donate them too... it's like what is it like? It's like well let me see government or something that's just beyond me this is from Atlanta the CEO of Facebook Mark Zuckerberg and his wife Priscilla Chan hey why shouldn't her name not Zuckerberg

38:30 No, because she is a vegan and she refuses to kowtow to societal norms where you might change your last name because it's beneath her as a woman and feminist. That's right! And I have the same as Mickey also has kept her name, her Hoogan Dyke name So that is a thing of the modern women. That's fine. Well, percentage of them but I'm not going to allow her to make a $25 million donation to the CDC Foundation. They have a foundation? Oh that's interesting let's do some research! Let's oh you know what we have to do here... To The Bat Cave! Alfred what did we find? CDC Foundation. I'm at GuideStar.org which is kind of my go-to and let's see if there is... That is interesting

39:20 Come on, GuideStar. What are we doing? Nonprofit that creates programs with the CDC so they're like a parallel...they're like a shadow government. Well there's two…okay this is interesting. So the CDC Foundation which is in Dallas Texas very very small $178,000 but you have the National Foundation for the Centers and Disease Control and Prevention Inc also known as CDC Foundation Atlanta, Georgia. I said that would be the one 27 million dollars they have in 25 of them from Zuckerberg and And this is from this is their 2013 filing. I'll bring that up real quick Oh, this is big oh my goodness 202 pages. I'll never get through it okay But I have to take I will take a look at this foundation

40:16 How does this work? That's very interesting. All right, we'll take a look at that for sure. Make-a-gift save a life! I'm looking at their web page. Their website yeah. Our story our board our staff let's take a look at the board oh boy This'll be fun. Charles Dominguez, Office of the Chairman and CEO of Cisco Systems. Oh yeah it's a big Silicon Valley hootenanny James W Down Mercer Management Consulting Matt James next generation out of San Francisco Can I just say something? Aspen Institute We are so in the wrong business my friends Turner Broadcasting we are really oh who is calling me now don't call me during this show

41:15 Turner Broadcasting, well he's fighting off the fans. Here is another one, John Rice as President and CEO of GE Technology Infrastructure. Oh yeah! Of course because those guys supply medical devices... a big corrupt organization. Here are the Emeritus Chairmen that used to be there. President of Pendleton Consulting Group United Parcel Service CEO Home Depot Georgia Pacific. Well, Georgia Pacific makes all kinds of paper products that also in hospitals... nappies and so on. Not sure what the deal is with this group? Well we'll look into that but... It's like a drinking club to me to be honest about it. Not with 26 million dollars. They can buy the good stuff if that's for sure. So I say wait for The Big Benefit Show

42:10 to save, you know, Africans and ourselves. It's too late for the elections. The elections are around the corner. They can't do it in time they can't set it up... I gotta take this call see who the hell is calling me now we had this guy and I'll continue with my spiel I don't know what was going on back there in Austin but uh we had this benefit recently that we talked about in the lawn of of the Central Park, New York which could have been leveraged into something like this. But that was it now we're done and we're not having any more benefits. This is a nightmare waiting to happen. I hate it when someone calls you and says, I want to speak to Adam Corey. And then I say who's calling? Yeah, I'm reaching out to Adam Corey. Who are you?

42:57 I know, you'd be- I never get these a call and I got like again. I'm on some list Yeah, you get on the list tell him to take you off the list well. I was doing I said I'm doing a podcast What oh my God? I'll call back what's a podcast Oh my god. I'll call back There's a...okay, well we'll finish this up because I wanted to talk about podcasting for a second. Okay so uh i think we're kind of done for the moment with with the Ebola stuff? You-I guarantee it will return to the fore. Ugh! But they're gonna ride this pony This is better than the ISIS pony which they've been riding but I think the ISIS pony is uh It's a little too

43:42 You know, the Democrats know how to do stuff that hits home. In other words happening in your backyard is actually happening. The ISIS thing nothing's happening it's bull crap and I don't think it's having the effect of needed effected this scaring a few people but I think this is much better this is really get people going yeah yeah does anybody mention by the way that there's what been what one death in the United States which is the African guy from Ebola and they'll be 40 000 deaths from the flu Does that mean anything, or 40,000 car accidents? There's relative statistics because these people are so science-oriented. They don't seem to care about their actual numbers. So this is the point either way and that's... Yes but I just want to bring it back to say good job on the newsletter because you certainly jarred me and we'll talk about you know the caliphate later

44:35 All you, everything you are seeing right now that is a crisis is just a political move to make you vote for one or the other party. Now you wanted to say something? You ever notice how many people, and I've just day after day you hear from somebody. The Republicans hate science and they don't like science and they're anti-science and all that? And the people saying this are usually people who graduated in social studies. None of them are scientists! There's 30,000 people that are scientists that have signed a petition saying this global warming thing needs to be reexamined. And nobody pays attention to that and they're actual scientists but it's like with Joy Behar you know these people many of them are high school dropouts

45:27 And they're all in on this so-called science that they don't know anything about. Science has never been a science, it's never worked in science... Science says! Science says! Science says! One clip to wrap it up just the show you the Chris Matthews who is see on MSNBC? Yes So he of course is onboard with the messaging He did something beautiful He went from Ebola to Republicans hate black people in one sentence. Wow! Yeah, it was really good here comes Good evening I'm Chris Mathews in Washington The nurse's name is Nina Fahm She took care of America's first Ebola case and now she's the second And a man-made virus called voter suppression this weekend in North Carolina I asked Kay Hagan whether Republicans are out to cut the Democratic vote or simply screw the black vote

46:15 Screw the black folk! Wow. You want it? There's 20, there's... The guy is a genius He goes right into this Here's her answer So is this based on racialism or racism or partisanship Why are they trying to screw the black voter to put it bluntly Is because they don't like blacks Or because they don't like Democrats I think that we're trying to suppress democratic turnout So its point and simple But African Americans think that their being targeted Because of their African Americans Not cause their democrats Well you know I tend to agree with them So it's both We hate the black people. Republicans hate the black people." My goodness! Yeah, they're shameless at MSNBC. Shameless and they're always playing the race card. They are the racists... But that John this is egregious behavior. This is calling half of the voting American public or yeah I would say close to half depending on however you want to count it

47:15 of the voting public, racist. Republicans hate black folks! Screw you! I mean i'm not a Republican and i'm not a Democrat but i'm an American...I'm offended by the whole notion of what he's saying that there is a political party in the United States who get together and talk about how much they want to screw the black folk my goodness luckily no one watches it Yeah, it's only the true believers watch MSNBC and they're already thinking that way. It doesn't really affect anyone Well with that I would like to thank you for your courage in the morning to you John C Devorak well in a morning of you and in the morning to all ships to see boots on The ground feet in the air subs in the water and all the dames and knights out there Yes And in the morning to all the human resources there in the chat room no agenda stream calm and to our artistes back with a vengeance

48:11 Nick the Rat on episode 660. It was good to see Nick with his submission and it was tough, we talked about a number of them. Yes we had a hard time with that last group but Nick the Rat was clearly I thought he had the best messaging it was nicely designed they have a good layout actually it was it was a good looking piece. It really was and the thing that's hard is sometimes The piece is right on, but we want to use the theme in the title and we've come up with some rule. I don't know why even...the rule is if the topic's in the title it can't be part of the artwork. I really don't know why we have this rule but…why is that? We decided? Yeah! We didn't like the idea of redundancy. No, I think what was there was a

49:06 I snapped slap my made that lip smacking sound. Yeah, I think it was we like to have a creative artwork that kind of expresses part of the show and then a title that expresses an overall part of the show That doesn't isn't reflected in...I don't know We just that's what we decide that's the way it is exactly We just decided one day and that was the meeting yeah And that's the model we use So let's thank some people that will the model we use truly is The value for value model where people give us? The amount they think is the value that they receive from the program and sometimes you look at look at your health care payment I think we're probably keeping you healthier than Obamacare Oh, absolutely. Your mental health is extremely important and we are helping you protect yourself against the onslaught of

49:58 of negative, frightening messaging that is... That is not healthy. Everybody knows it as distress-provoking and not healthy Correct and we show you that is probably in most 99% of the cases or I'm sure something happens once in a while That's accurate, but 99 percent as bogus created news. It's Exaggerated it's done to its Created to frighten you in this case too So your votes for a certain party at a certain time because you're fed up with the other party yep Because they're just there bad using you It's a it's a system is corrupt

50:40 All right, let's thank a few executive and associate executive producers for show 661 including Philip Zirin who came in with 86667 which matches his previous donation of 133. These are these came in as wire transfers he sends these in from I think Czechoslovakia, I haven't heard. Yeah, Czech Republic is what that was. Czech Republic? Okay it's different but there is no Czechoslovakia. The Hello1980 calling Czech Republic on the line for John C. Dvorak Here's his note. In the morning, gentlemen with this donation I'd like to thank you both for your excellent work and give value for value as i lately sat in my chair in the garden...I looked up at the stars while listening to your show surrounded by the darkness and thinking about all the crap that is happening and the ruthlessness of on our globe. I felt quite happy to know that you both are watching them."

51:35 Besides the giant amount of information you provide in your show, which I've used several times on my own blog, D-I-G-I Chonder.C-H-O-N-D-E-R dot C-H, which I believe is Switzerland. Digichonders? Digichonder single, D-I-G-I Chonder, C-H-O-N-D-E-R dot C-H. I wonder, yeah. See? I thought CH was Switzerland as well. Well he's... Yeah. He says it in any Swiss... No he is in Switzerland not the Czech Republic. Ah okay. Well it says Czech Republic on the spreadsheet

52:13 I don't see anything. Oh, oh, I probably put that there like an idiot. Uh...I enjoy it every time it's even bigger fun to listen to old episodes before I started listening earlier this year too see which of your predictions have come true all of them and if any and you ever come to Switzerland be my guest. Is he near Zug? I don't know where is he in Switzerland somewhere Although it's a small country, you can drive around pretty easily. I accept this donation to complete my knighthood from there on I want to be called Sir Philip Paladin of Common Sense Oh it makes let me make sure that is on the spread on the donation list He's in Grunwig night no wait. No winter hurt sir winter sir okay give it to me again Sir okay It's not on the thing sir Phillip yeah

53:05 Which is with an F. Yes, and one L? Paladin of Common Sense. Now I hope people will be able to hear me pronounce it with an F not a PH but i don't want to mess it up. They have interesting names Switzerland does go along with a lot of interesting names yeah like if a female name in Switzerland is Regula which I just think is just, you know, it's a Greek goddess or something. It's great and no, I've never heard of anyone outside of Switzerland with the name Regula. Well, I have to say Philip thank you so much for this fantastic donation support for the show and i very much look forward to the ceremony today igniting you good sir

53:55 Does he want any kind of what should we give him karma at least I think is that what he would want? Yeah, give us a I love handing out the karma. You've got Karma, so I got Sir Don Tommaso di Toronto came in again with three seven three seven three set three seven three seven seventy-threes Kettleby Ontario Canada just Some karma for the freeloading boners Remember, I don't know why we were giving karma to the freeloading boners But okay remember kids a guilty conscience increases the possibility of contracting Ebola by 33% All right Karma and I think actually should give him a little

54:35 It's it's an interesting number the three seven three seven three so I don't know if he's a ham or not We must be sir Don Tommaso D Toronto once you play that little Ebola jingle that new one That's a little song that ends with ebola. I think he Bob somebody should do the The old Calypso song Ebola That's a beauty who did that that is Paul I'm Paul did that outstanding outstanding Jason Berg in Portland, Oregon three-three

55:14 3-3 4 I finally decided on my knighthood name, and I would like to be the night of peacock Lane Oh wait a minute do we have this in the After so many years of listening since DSC, I would like to be de-douche'd and have a little girl don't eat me followed by shut up it's science. I've added my extra penny for the needy penny cup on the counter and hope for a little karma for everyone listening." Okay, so he wants de-douching? He wants Don't eat me Hillary. And then it's science and then karma, obviously. I think i can do that. You've been de-douche'd! Shut up already! Science! You've got karma. Nailed that one thank you Jason

56:09 Daniel Hochstein in Surprise, Arizona. 3333 John and Adam attached my first donation towards executive producership and knighthood this is his first donation why is he in blue? What is blue? Knighthood. Yeah knighthood. Wait that's his first donation! He says Well, he's even on the list. Let me see... I think Eric did a search for Knight who saw this and put him on the list. So he is not on the list. Eric needs to stop drinking!

56:48 Can't thank you, but he actually just... I'm sorry. Touchy subject? No he doesn't really drink that much. Can't thank you both enough for the great work you do keeping the thinking world informed on behind-the-scenes bullcrap that takes place everywhere on the planet! No agenda is the only rational source of information and insight on world events out there. I'm working diligently to spread the word, if you wouldn't mind i'd appreciate a mention of my tech business Media Technologies Consulting we provide consulting we provide a turnkey proprietary service called Dynamic Edge that helps restaurant bar owners increase sales

57:26 Everybody's this yeah, that sounds good. I wonder how I want them to add multimedia in-house promotional content to the same TV screens They already have showing live sports and news so they can promote their own products and services drink more Already at the door Buffalo Wings we provide everything the hardware and it goes on hey This is something that always has amazed me. But even in some of the classiest restaurants slash bars, I see sports on TVs it baffles me! Yes, at the bar usually not in a restaurant. But even if it's attached to a nice restaurant... I don't know but it's an American thing. You think it's low-end? I don't blame you for feeling that way. Thanks for bringing this up. I think is the same thing as people that used to always turn their cell phones off and not take calls in a restaurant now it's like everybody takes calls. Yeah true

58:22 Anyway, thanks for pretty good get digital science comm check it out Thanks for producing the most amazing and relevant podcast amazing in the universe keep up the good work sincerely Daniel Hochstein private private below knees got some little no give him a little bit of karma there for the business sounds like Do well God Karma. Hope he does well whoa? All right, now I have a disappointing anonymous note from PartsUnknown. It was given to me as a check at the Twitter place uh... and i want to say that i'm at by what is stuck around with this couple and chatted more was a little annoyed by the last clip of show but these are missing you copy this notice in one of our own so it's not somebody you met and it's a kind of a private note and i just wanna say is charted very nice couple blah husband wife and beautiful life and they're just a those good meeting both

59:21 And that's 333.33. You don't have to say it, I'll say it. But I think you were a true gentleman. You stood up and you called people out appropriately and I think you were very good on that last show. Well thank you! Thank you. I didn't see anybody else. Oh, I got a lot of notes about that. Teresa Huxley Far Hills New Jersey $333 flat from the wife of night Jim Morgan of steeplechase any no agenda listeners are welcome to come out to our spot at the steep steeple chase this year for brisket from Texas pulled pork and kava Wow

1:00:01 which I assume is the sparkling wine from Spain. I realized that i had not donated in a while when I kept seeing versions of the number 33 while on route to New York City, I saw 333 on a column on the path train and never seen it in eight years My exit is 33 in New Jersey. I just wish i could get some of the jingles out of my subconscious while we were visiting play that one, that little ebola one again? I just love that one! You really like that one huh? Play it again one more time. Yeah it's uh... got a jingle quality. I like it. Well, we were visiting friends in Barcelona they played me an ad and it must have been if you see something say something on the metro hold on hold on hold on while we're at it might as well yeah And yes I sang it out loud also thank you for paying playing Judge Jeanine's statement that America faces the sink biggest single threat in 200 years

1:01:05 Of course, she's a Republican operative now and it makes more sense doesn't it? Yes. I finally understand the idiotic ready dot gov commercials make up plan and the free heirloom season. Ebola is real people! Give her some karma shit. Thank you very much Teresa that was lovely say hi to your husband. You've got karma. The steeplechase. Okay, Todd Moss I have this is the note i lost ah Todd Todd's not listening uh Todd is off on a vacation and he had but I want to put him on the birthday list oh okay for the 15th but he wants to you know he wants this to be read on November 1st his note

1:01:48 And so I'm gonna move it to November 1st if i find it. Well do I put him on the birthday list or what? Yeah you might as well, it's the 15th is today! What and how old is he? Yesterday his birthday was yesterday How old is he? He didn't say Okay...He's on vacation though Yeah, he's not listening to this show or but I don't know why just to go back and pick the show up But he likes to listen like it's either live or right fine by III agree. I think people always say to me No, but there's things you know we need to listen to everything because they're things that you pick up on them We don't know what it is and it's very important and guys screw it skip it That's what I said. That's what I said You can get the juice you could be listening we could be dead And then you'll be like three episodes behind

1:02:30 And we'd be dead. Yeah, and then you wouldn't be able to show up for the funeral. Exactly! Stephen Olker in Jersey City New Jersey 24242. Nice! 24242 yeah that's true a long time listener first-time donor enough to get a call out on the show first time donating enough to get it called out on the show I've been on the $11.11 plan since April which everyone out there should be doing he puts an uppercase through And I had a $5-a-month plan throughout 2010, but it had to go on hiatus in between. Now in contemplating what to get my girlfriend Katie for her birthday this Saturday 1018," we got her on the list, finally conclude there'd be nothing better than a donation of the best podcast in the universe and subscription birthday shout out for her." We often spend many Denver dinner conversations debating current events thanks to you guys.

1:03:25 You're welcome. Yes, please send her a dose of job karma and how about a jobs jobs jobs? Let's vote for Ebola It's gross Is that what he wants? Bola oh Scary and wretched and miserable it is John Rose Jobs Jobs and Jobs Ebola There you go. The tough one, I think anyone's done the let's vote for Ebola yet and well in fact this is exactly what's happening let's vote for Ebola yes exactly he's kind of ahead unbeknownst to his subconscious mind he brought that out in his note that's right keep up the good work PSA donation amount reflects adding up Katie's birthday 10 18 14 equals 42 plus the minimum producer amount of 200 with the bonus 40 due to make it a palindrome if my accounting is right

1:04:22 I've already donated springs. He's up to 400 bucks That's not two four two four twos and is indeed a great power for 242 424 Adam Could you please add a P to the end of your LGTB? TTQ ia p4 poly, I'm sure me Katie and the other poly no agenda listeners are furious Oh polly isn't polyamorous I guess. Hey, Jersey! What's going on in Jersey? It's in the water. Jersey City baby it's in the water that's right Nicholas McFall and Herndon Virginia 23456 one of my all-time favorite donation numbers ITM John and Adam realize has been a while since they donated them a few episodes behind but since ISIL and Ebola are still in the news this show doesn't seem dated

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1:09:32 There is going to be a podcasting hall of fame at this year's Las Vegas New Media. Those guys will do anything to get me to Las Vegas, won't they? And now I never see... Yeah, I got it best produced. A hall of fame! Ladies and gentlemen the first winner of the podcasting hall of fame is Adam Curry Dave Weiner will tweet about that. That's bullshit. No, they'll induct him at the same time. You and Weiner and that's it! Well let's see why start a podcasting hall of fame? We've been talking about creating a podcasting hall... Because we can't get Adam Curry to come give us his speech With this being the 10th annual Podcast Awards. Ten?! Holy crap!

1:10:17 and the co-location with NAB show next year. It just felt like the time had come to start canonizing and celebrating the icons and pioneers of the podcasting community in a formal setting about the NAB show, the podcaster look I'm only coming if you caught my room and I want hookers and blow for my friend John. They have to comp your room at least eligible nominees would include podcasters technology innovators there's your curry and whiner right there and others who have pioneered the medium. Well, John you're in? No I haven't pi- I mean i've been around but You're a pioneer of the medium! Well yeah 25 years from now when people look back I'll look like one But enough about your wardrobe. Guys we've been doing this for a long time You wanted to say something about podcasting apparently That's why I brought this up Yeah well it was yeah I think I think you segued...I think you took care of it no I was there's here's what

1:11:14 I've noticed this because I've gotten calls, we need to talk to you about podcasting. And there you go! Because your a podcast pioneer and the go-to guy. Well i'm the analyst go-to guy maybe... And this is showing up from the New York Times, Washington Post. There's been a couple of articles written already and then you leave you out or they mentioned you and there was one I think in Fast Company or something like that. All these articles are very shallow. You set them straight But no, there's more of them coming. That's it they've triggered an avalanche because everybody wants to know what the heck is going on about pie. I'm gonna put together... If I can do it, maybe do it this afternoon. I normally don't do free speeches. I just don't like so bad policy but I may do one. There was one I used to do for the big photo expo they had in Vegas and

1:12:13 I used to do this speech, I did it for about five years called Film is Dead. And this was done during the era when film wasn't dead and now I'm thinking because I just wrote a column at PC Magazine and I don't know if it's up yet or not but I wrote one about broadcasting as dead and I'm thinking that NAB would be a perfect place to discuss my thoughts on how broadcasting old-fashioned terrestrial broadcasting is dead okay And I may just, so I may actually be in Vegas if it's at NAB. I would be there and I could probably go to this thing too if they're simultaneous. Has NAB asked you to do a speech? No no there is open competition as we speak. I know I can get a slot if I wanted one. Well yeah your John C. Dvorak podcasting pioneer hello! How hard can that be? They were like stop! We got a call from Dvorak podcasting pioneer! What does he want?!

1:13:12 Free yeah, bring on but I think I could do the same speech like on a you know a semi annual basis. Mm-hmm Broadcasting is dead while broadcasting still alive and it would draw that's funny. That's just I get to meet all kinds of guys Yeah, we don't quite agree. What's your thesis then? Because I don't typically like the... My thesis is my theory. Okay here's my thesis. Can I just say what I don't like? Okay. But I do not like the dot-dot-dot is dead because it of course wasn't a living thing you know not like it has no pulse. I'm glad you feel that way but..I don't like that meme. That's fine! I don't care what you think in this case because something as dead is a draw

1:13:55 Okay, when it's not dead all right wait a minute. It's not dead how could it be dad? I gotta go see this guy who does he think he is oh, it's the mouse guy huh Yeah, the mouse guy. Mouse is dead I should do that. The mouse is dead? Well it's true! It's all touch screen. Ultimately you were right. Took a while. Long time. 30 years but there you go and... Alright so you want to give us a bit of your speech? This is important. Here's the thing and this what I point out in the column is the difference, you know. The internet has snuck up on these technologies and it's snuck up on newspapers in a very... You know the newspaper guys will say to you honestly how come we didn't see this coming? And I've thought about this because they're the big prognosticators or the visionaries are the ones supposed that they're doing the news. They should see this coming. I mean that's what you'd think and so I used to harp about it as if these idiots didn't see it coming but the more I think about it they didn't see it coming because it didn't just come

1:14:57 it snuck up on them. And I would say, I recall going to Tribune there in Chicago? Tribune Media? Yeah that'd be Chicago and when i had my you know my big company was building websites for a million dollars for Reebok back in the good old days before FrontPage came out And, and they the so they had said Oh no we I would have a whole technology department was always you know in like in the meetings like oh we don't need you. We can take care of this management just wants us to talk to you but what they missed was Craigslist. That's really what killed newspapers. Well, I have the best story... Because that was the secret way they made money was classifieds. In the back door? Yeah! My best story was when you were at The Meeting it was at The Chronicle with

1:15:51 Phil Bernstein, and he said that Craig Newmark came marching in to talk to the Examiner Chronicle executives as he was developing Craigslist and as it was already available offering it to them. And the newspaper guys said, ha! What do we need you in the mix for? We know how to do classifieds. Was I in this meeting? Yes, sure. I must have been high. Yes, thank you. So he says so we threw him out and there you go.

1:16:29 But, again, you know it's...they didn't...these guys in the news business are not visionaries. And often they, you know, something could be handed to them on a silver platter and they won't take because they're arrogant. They're very arrogant. Thank you! That is the word. They are truly arrogant. Right? Because they think they control the world and they control policy, and then it snuck up on them. They don't! And now they have to admit that no one was taking ads for their news... You know? The money wasn't coming from their excellent reporting, their Peabody butts No! It was-the money was from classifieds which is indirectly related to their reporting, but when it comes down to people saying what is the value of that news? Nothing. Well anyway so I continue this argument and here's the difference between broadcasting and the newspapers and magazines with the newspapers and magazines going online you end up with

1:17:24 people taking their news differently. They take it off of the screen, they only look at a page or two, they don't have a newspaper anymore to thumb through. It's a different end result as they switch from newspapers to online. I personally think it's in many aspects a poorer product No, I agree too! I'm all-in on that but there is nothing you can do about it With the broadcasters... It's the same At the end of the day You have a show Let say one of things on Netflix and still on big TV screen You have not changed your experience at the end of the day My show was in the beginning of the day

1:18:06 And with the podcasting, it's essentially radio. And I use the word because it is the only word that's appropriate. It's radio that is transmitted over the internet instead of over an antenna but you have again the product When people set it up correctly, this non-trivial part. But you're still...it's like those people who listen to it on their car! That's what they used to do. They used to listen to the radio in their car now they listened to a podcast on their car so the end result is identical than that it used to be. That changes how this other delivery mechanism and how everything...I mean it changes the model at the beginning of the formula

1:18:48 Because we, little guys can produce a radio show the way we're doing it that sounds as good as anything produced on the radio itself and we have more freedom. Better results, and we don't have time constraints that say now you got a hard stop We don't have any of it. I take a break here. We got to weather on the 8th Let's go to our let's go to the channel for whether copter and let's see what's going on there Do we have fill our eye in the sky up there? Great now that was traffic. Let's take a look at the weather whether is weather

1:19:31 Yeah, well we figured something else out. We figured out the true model and it's... people can do Kickstarters and all this stuff sure but that is a one-time deal and it really doesn't hold the producer or programmer of the product to account. You know I got my money in my pocket now I just gotta make some stuff It's like Zay Frank That guy was the biggest disappointment to me Who? Ze Frank. Remember Ze Frank? No, I don't know what you're talking about. Ze Frank was this guy who did a video thing and he cut it up really tight and it was funny...really quick cuts. And most of the time it's just his head talking then he had a whole community and it was Ze Frank! Z-E Frank. Ze Frank. Okay well...I'll look him up. When you see it you'll remember

1:20:15 And he did a Kickstarter which was hugely successful because he wanted to do a whole year-long programming. I put my money into the Kickstarter and then, you know after like six months You got an agent they got other things to do though. Oh, I'm consulting here or there hey blow me say Frank So that was disappointing whereas yeah we live from paycheck to paycheck pretty much Yeah Then we suck then we know it's a show that is not available anywhere in any way, in any medium for people who appreciate this sort of analysis. And there seems to be enough of them to get us...keep this podcast going and we want to thank every one of them including the people that give lesser amounts every once in awhile somebody sends it a check for $5 or something like that and it's very appreciated. People are also five dollar monthly. We have some family I think is the guy I'm not sure who came with his but I always marvel at this

1:21:10 Somebody, like the way the bank sent out these automatic payments through the time payment plans to the show. There's somebody that does it by hand themselves and they have a little check. It's a very small check with an address and everything on it and it goes into a special envelope that's got a couple of holes in it you know glassine holes that have the mailing address and return address which is also on the cheque And there's 20 bucks every...it comes once a month It is the cutest thing I've ever seen. Cuter than the kittens in the newsletter? It is so cute, it's like oh look at this! It's like a miniature bank check and uh no no I get amused by these easiest simplest of things Breaking news John breaking news on The Hill Obama vows more aggressive Ebola response they are our government... He's drawing attention to himself Our representatives are up there grilling

1:22:03 People are so stupid, what a waste of time. Okay I had drinks last night with our ex-banker here in Austin you know the New Yorker the ex-banker for, you know... Right. ...Big Bank and who's retired with his kids, you know the kids we talk about? Right! And it's always good to get his perspective on the financial markets and they are in turmoil right now and there's some interest...and he said oh my god I can't believe one of the guys you hate is all on board with your theory. I said what was this? He says did you not see The New York Times? No i try to avoid that, you know it's like Ebola. Tom Friedman

1:22:43 who I just think is one of the premier douches of our era. He's also an agent in The New York Times, and this column said hey am i crazy or are the Saudi Arabians in... what is that word I'm looking for? Upon the command of the United States purposely screwing Russia by increasing output and lowering the price of oil And I thought it was interesting that Tom Friedman made this point. Yeah, and it also appears to be pretty true that this is taking place. But according to the banker, there's a much larger impact and really what is happening is Europe is so screwed then you're adding all of these market instabilities... In fact they call it what did the BBC called? The perfect storm

1:23:46 of the spread of Ebola, the dropping oil price. It's screwed up Greece's refi of the refi of their bonds. And ultimately, he came down to the thing that is the biggest problem in Europe and this is what gave me pause to think about what was really going on there because we talk a lot about immigration and the multi-culti society according to the numbers and stuff that he studies The EU unemployment, in particular the youth unemployment which is up to in some countries 40-50%... Spain. Yeah... The problem is a lot of these unemployed are immigrants who have no skills

1:24:34 to actually be employed in those countries where they have immigrated to. And by the way, why should they? Because the system in these countries and in the EU en masse gives them subsidy tonight not die and they get handouts. It is systematic. He says that the only way is inflation. They need inflation Which I just take as true for what he said. Well, they probably do but i don't think that's going to solve anything well I said why don't we just have Germany attack France which is what you always say and he laughed and says yeah war is good war would help like okay Yeah it would probably... They give this unemployable know-nothing something to do

1:25:20 But it was interesting, you said that they needed inflation. It's on the DHM Plug Show... Oh I missed it, I haven't heard of yet We looked at the oil is down to $80 from 100 and its falling, it's going to continue to fall along with gold and silver which is interesting in itself. Shouldn't that be true? These things aren't going as normal as they're supposed to. You know there's supposed to be like a teeter-totter one goes up another one goes down but it's not that way finally is heading south and it's down to I think a buck 26 maybe today it's lower. And so we're getting, cause I was predicting about 25 a couple of years ago.

1:26:00 to go visit Europe again without getting ripped off. Yeah, pay 30% premium on everything in an area that's the prices are already too high. It's all looking good for us as usual. Here is a quick ditty on this Russian-Saudi thing. Vice President of the Russian oil giant Rosneft has accused Saudi Arabia of manipulating the oil price for political reasons. Mikhail Ilyenkov's remarks come in reports that Saudi officials have given the green light to lowering oil prices

1:26:40 This is the organization of the petroleum exporting countries OPEC, is willing to accept prices as low as $80 a barrel for the next two years. The UNTF also described Riyadh's promise of big discounts as political manipulation saying that kingdom itself has been manipulated Moscow needs high oil prices to prop up its economy which has been hit by sanctions over Ukraine as well as a drop in domestic demand Russia favors an oil price of around $100 a barrel to cover Moscow's future spending. Gross and receipts, but they end up doing what other people do because it's now down to $80 is they pump more right so To get the same amount of money. We got a pump you know 20% more oil So we pump more and that forces the price lower I think it will go to 50. I hope so oh my goodness wouldn't that be great for us Yeah, oh man

1:27:49 It'll lower airfares because, you know, most of the airplane ticket is because of fuel. So we can travel a little bit without costing an arm and a leg... Everything will improve substantially if the price oil goes down to 50. And it could! Carrie did a solo little interview thingy, little speech about how important he is. Oh wait I had a jingle! We had a new jingle for him too hold on... Got all kinds of stuff going on here today where is uh yeah this one this is short version I think I kind of like it

1:28:27 Watermelon head Kerry. There you go, nice. Another kid. This is... I think Kerry thinks it's today but i believe its tomorrow in Italy big meeting we got Ukraine we got Russia we got Germany and but were not at the table yeah but were not at the table And, and you know this is the it started with the three way talk. Well yeah because Kerry's a douche! I can just see Putin going don't invite the douche we don't want to douche here. There is an agreement reached

1:29:04 in addition to the Minsk agreement. The Minsk Agreement is rarely discussed in this country, but this was the 12-point... it's actually the Minsk Protocol to be specific, the 15 point peace plan that has really been working between Russia and Ukraine You know, we're not copping to it. Of course we...it's really... We're losing out I think that Putin once again has done something very smart and is not working out the way the noodle-mans and the Kagans wanted to work out for Chevron. And they're gonna...Putin is going to strike a deal with the EU with Angola who was in there who was you know their two sides of the same coin and I think Kerry messed this one up

1:29:51 through further discussions between President Poroshenko and President Putin, where they've agreed on some timelines on some of these things. And there will be a further meeting this Thursday in Milan Italy at which President Poroshenko... Thanks for clarifying where Milan is. ...President Putin will be present together with President Hollande and Chancellor Merkel possibly others and they will then be reviewing these requirements as well as the gas deal and other things. So we're waiting to hear from that meeting, the results of that meeting where things stand at that point in time.

1:30:35 There you go, Mr. Kerry." And it has the biggest single reserves of either frackable or raw natural gas that this guy says we should go after so we can ship it straight to Europe. Oh, and I saw that in Texas...I think there was three or four shows ago, I put it in the show notes somewhere, there was a request to reverse the terminal and ship

1:31:18 a ship imported gas back out of the country. Interesting enough, the imported gas? Yeah in gas that we'd previously imported which I think is all it's just on spreadsheet stuff because yeah it was counting some papers and you got some here and some there. Just take that piece and move over there. Well around the topic of a little bit about Europe I want to play this France apparently is a big deal because I didn't...you know It's annoying when you go to Europe and you happen to be there on a Sunday or if you arrive on a Sunday. Why? Because everything is closed! Well, there is a lot of stuff closed unless... I mean, if you're in the big city yeah and you can get into hotels but generally speaking there are laws against being open actually in France You know, in The Netherlands stores are closed on Monday until noon or 1pm Why? Culture! It's probably some Protestant thing from 100 years ago that stuck

1:32:14 Is that possible? More than one hour a day working on Sundays in France exactly as we know from living him here in Paris Stewart It can be really difficult to find a supermarket or pharmacy anything open on a Sunday now These changes have been proposed by the economy minister Emmanuel Macron as way of showing that France is really trying to turn its economy around Remember this is coming in the context of the French budget which was submitted to Brussels yesterday And it's expected to be rejected, or at least sent back

1:32:58 because it doesn't comply with EU regulations. Macron says that deregulating some tightly controlled industries like pharmacies and allowing stores to stay open on Sundays would help boost economic growth by making it easier to do business and make the French working model more modern but it's a thorny issue here as Josh Fardy explains It's been a controversial topic in France for decades. Now, French Minister of the Economy Emmanuel Macron has promised to allow French shops to open on Sunday Contrary to existing ideas, French people already work on Sundays. I say this so everyone just calms down a bit. Almost 30% of all French people work on Sundays — some occasionally and some every week." Currently, French businesses can only open five Sundays a year. That limit would be raised to 12. Commercial hot spots will also be earmarked for Sunday opening—places like tourist sites, airports, railway stations or stadiums.

1:33:55 Yeah, get on the stick France. You're going down the tubes! Now there's two things that caught my attention about this little report one is that by law you can only be open to X number of Sundays I mean this seems a bit much... Well, this was back in the day when they were living high And then, yeah. But by law...you think if you had a business you'd open it when you felt like it? You know I wanna be able to build... These are socialist countries. Right and I realize that but the other one that struck me was that the budget The French budget is going to, it goes to Brussels and it's going to be rejected because it doesn't comply with EU regulations. Isn't this a bit of the sovereignty loss? Why do the French have to go along with the EU regulations?" Yeah this is the travesty that is the European Union!

1:34:44 This is exactly what it is. The loss of sovereignty through a monetary unit, which turns out wow how important this money when really comes down to it banking union the political union there's going to be all these unions and its just a bunch of technocrats unelected people sitting around in two different offices because they couldn't even decide where they wanted to have their headquarters at European Union Strasbourg or Brussels. No, it's ridiculous and the French are just waking up to this I was reading there's a guy John Ward who writes the slog blog He's a Brit retired used to be in the advertising business And he now lives in France and he's writing about this stuff

1:35:32 And you can't do anything without the appropriate paperwork. Everything is run by, what do you call them? Notary publics... everything has to be notarized to be official and everything's strange and everyone's worried that the government is going to change through it. They're in irons there, to use a nautical term. In irons! They don't know what to do. They truly don't And I would say the same for the Netherlands, which we know intimately. No one knows what to do or how to move and there's no trust in anything is ruined. Ruined, I think for 50 years before these countries come out of this crap conservatively speaking. Well you can play the second part of The France a short little bit

1:36:27 It means more profit, because there are tourists sometimes French people who come en masse at the weekend and this will create jobs. Jobs? Yeah! Under the proposal Sunday workers would do it voluntarily and be paid double. It's a policy employees of DIY shops have been asking for years However leaving Sundays as sacred day is an idea deeply ingrained in French culture and opinions are divided I thought Sunday was a day of rest In England everything is open. Everyone works." In Europe, France isn't as strict as Austria which forbids any shop opening on Sunday instead it's moving slowly towards the UK or Swedish model where shops can open when they want. Well they have to, they have to harmonize all regulation which is why you can't have weed legally anymore that's all going away in Amsterdam because you can't have one state where it's different this has all has to be the same

1:37:23 It's like, and we're getting that here too. We're getting a lot of that. What did the president... Well we are also getting marijuana laws changed in a couple states. True true but uh we had um you know the presidential proclamation two important week national school lunch week why do we need that? But more importantly presidential proclamation blind Americans equality day and I thought this was so much like that Vonnegut story that we talked about, the Bergeron, Harold Bergeron where in order to have blind Americans equality day we're going to poke out every American's eye. So they you know now at least were equal with the blind citizens and I looked into this and it used to be called something different it was white cane safety day but you can't say that anymore you see

1:38:19 Because that's discriminatory, whatever it is. It has to be equality day and I'm sorry... I like the white cane safety day. I like that too! People are aware of the white canes and when you see somebody poking around with one you drive carefully No but now we have to have equal...no look, we all have some handicap or some version not equal but i'd like being aware of our citizens We do as much as we can for screen readers. I mean boy, this has been a thing that... JavaScript by the way has wrecked if you want to talk about equality for the blind Outlaw Javascript it's very difficult for the screen readers to deal with that. I agree! I don't like javascript either Even though my son makes a living coding it now

1:39:13 So yeah, you know I've Quality equality. Yeah, I'm just gonna stick with white cane safety day and don't here's it Don't pet my dog safety day Well, I have a clip here that I want you which is kind of an equality situation This is the Kelly Atlas clip who's this what happened in San Francisco? Kelly Alice is a Animal rights activist and there was a new term in here. I want to see if you can find Find the term. It's a new term I actually clipped this for the story itself and then only heard the term when making the clip into a clip Andrea Well, Liz can specifically the meat and chicken they were eating this happened at a restaurant in San Francisco But this group says other restaurants can expect the same Imagine you're eating dinner and this happens

1:40:09 That's Kelly Atlas of Direct Action Everywhere speaking out on the plight of Snow, her chicken. The video was shot October 1st at Blue Stem Brasserie. Atlas and others want equal rights for all animals not just cats and dogs and other cute non-food species. We're so enraged when we hear about somebody hurting a dog or cat but But because of this speciesism in our minds, we don't think twice about a chicken being hurt or a pig or cow. Her chicken Snow was rescued from an egg ranch Atlas says when Snows egg production peaked I see the suffering that she faced and i'm so happy that I took her out there and want the same for every animal

1:40:55 The group, with its Bay Area hub in an Oakland apartment says it's not their first action on behalf of animals and won't be their last. And that they're always looking for new restaurants to spread their message Is there a concern? That while you're spreading your message and speaking out on behalf of snow... ...that it is having the opposite effect on people Instead of listening to you they are simply going to be ticked off by you So some people will Hmm I honestly did not hear one Speciesism. Oh, I didn't hear the word at all yeah no it was speciesism and this is a like sexism and racism and ageism Speciesism write that down Yeah, it's a classic Wow instant classic speciesism Yeah It's hard to say speciesism imagism

1:41:48 See what I mean? That's hard to say. Speciesism... Uncalled for, by the way. I'm sorry. Speciesism. Uncalled for. Yeah, I'm sorry. Speciesism yeah she said that when Kelly Ellis first came on Starziak and she says it should the chicken did by the way anyone owns burrs or has poultry chickens are the worst They're stupid and they...they're annoying, and everything. And of course she wants to rescue chickens since her chicken is Snow, the name of a chicken some white chicken that laid eggs someplace or other. And she has this chicken that's so glad she rescued. Come on! I see it differently when we go to the market every Saturday then Farmer Chris who loves his chickens and they all roam around.

1:42:35 very into the whole organic voodoo part of it with the moon and when it rains, and the grass and how they operate. And of course, the older they get you know, the bigger the eggs are...and we love big eggs, big gigantic eggs. At a certain point then its time for the chicken to move on. We appreciate the animal for this, for their eggs, but later for the chicken that we eat? You can respect But, you know...we can't not all be...the cycle works this way. If you want to be vegan-vegetarian fine that's okay but the cycle does work this way stop interrupting my dinner in a restaurant she is going into restaurants and doing this? Yeah she is going into restaurants with a group holding signs and then she yells everybody attention it's like the A holes that you run into on the New York subway

1:43:29 I haven't been on that in a long time. Ladies and gentlemen, I'm not here to beg for money. Oh yeah. Yeah, I know what you're talking about. Yeah pay no attention to me Yelling and this is what she does only she does it in a she's right? Yeah She's in there. She yells real loud. And she's you You know, I know what you're doing. You're eating chickens and let me tell you about my chicken snow. This chicken! You have no idea how loving she is and all the rest of it." And it's just like get out

1:44:16 We don't need this sort of aggravation. There's other, there's really important things going on that are much more important than her stupid chicken." Yeah well I think you know animal rights is or rights and um you know and it's important i like respecting animals and I have to say I think having dogs I think cats are a different story because the cat chooses you and shows up and whatever. But, I find dogs... just having a dog is cruel by its very nature! Having a dog on a leash and... come on time to shit now! Now poop now! I gotta get to work! Dogs enjoy this life. Yeah the dog doesn't really care i think you're right Did you see James Risen on The News Hour? I missed it

1:45:03 James Risen, I think he's... You know what it is funny because i wanted to see that because I knew he was showing up somewhere. Yeah as a new book out right and his New York Times journalist I believe? yeah He's the guy that they want to throw in jail for life! Yeah well he's going they may just kill him for this but I really appreciated this little ditty that they put on PBS no less next to the author of a new book on the costs and lives and treasure of The War On Terror The war on terror, the global war on terror has become essentially an endless war. It started with a search for justice and I think 13 years later it's become a hunt for cash

1:45:42 It's a stark conclusion James Risen has come to in the decade plus since September 11th. The veteran New York Times investigative journalist is best known for the explosive revelation that the Bush administration ordered the National Security Agency to eavesdrop on Americans without warrants after 9-11 But now he has compiled examples of what he sees as that hunt for cash, greed for power and lives wrecked in his new book. His new book The No Agenda Show is what it should be. Book Pay Any Price The title of the book comes from John F Kennedy's inaugural address when he said let every nation know That we shall pay any price bear any burden meet any hardship

1:46:33 support any friend, oppose any foe to assure the survival and the success of liberty. Your argument is that any price has been way too high a price? How so? Well we have had 13 years of war now A lot of people have gotten into the War on Terror in order make a lot of money or gain status or power both in government and outside the goverment Yeah this not good book I was impressed. Okay, and I'll definitely read your book and then he had brought in a term which i think is weak

1:47:13 But I understand why he chose it. And again, they go back and find some historical footage which I found interesting an interesting choice for the program maybe to somehow discredit him as old an old thinker or something? I'm not sure we built a huge infrastructure For what we call homeland security here at home. And so we've had an enormous just hundreds of billions of dollars poured into national security, homeland security and what I call the new Homeland Security Industrial Complex. That is a play on Dwight Eisenhower's famous phrase the military industrial complex coined amid the Cold War

1:47:58 Risen describes a new apparatus for a new war built in parallel and almost entirely in secret, but with a staggering price tag. There are estimates that the entire War on Terror if you count Iraq Afghanistan all of the other things we've done both domestically and internationally have cost about four trillion dollars And that is an enormous transfer of wealth into a new sector of the economy, which is security. Yeah and as we say... That's how we roll! Yes right that's how we roll. That's correct and that's why we can't just remove it because it is he correctly points out on a big sector of the economy And along with It seems very obvious to me that things were happening right now particularly with ISIS ISIL

1:48:48 is two-part. One, you never really want to change a team in time of war so when are you going to go vote and why would you want to upset everything and have Republicans come in and ruin everything? That's no good we're at war but also long term signaling to the military industrial complex all is well, all is good. We will continue to have war it's just going to be a war without boots on the ground at least not visible boots Academy Blackwater whatever you want to call them Z it'll be some missionary army

1:49:24 And this is the president going back to his Starfleet command setting there. He was sitting in front of flags that weren't even American, it was a very strange... Yeah I saw those flags, they were like regimental flags that the base had. Strange, strange I would say and he made it very clear long term At this stage some 60 nations are contributing to this coalition If you can name all sixty I'll give you $1,000 I can't. Including more than 20 coalition members who are represented here... And I don't think there are 60! No, it's a lie. Today among them Iraq Arab nations... Arab nations just... Arab nations Hey if you're an Arab nation raise your hand without talking Thank you Turkey Turkey NATO allies and partners from around the world

1:50:10 So this is a operation that involves the world against ISIL. It's the world! Hold on, you got more on that? I want to get to the long-term bit. Oh, okay 30 seconds so far we've seen some important successes Oh stopping ISIL's advance on Erbil saving many civilians from master right that's one on Mount Sinjar retaking the Mosul Dam destroying ISIL targets and fighters across Iraq and Syria Obviously, at this point we're also focused on the fighting that is taking place in Iraq's Anbar province. And we're deeply concerned about the situation in and around the Syrian town of Kobani which underscores the threat that ISIL poses in both Iraq and Syria. And coalition airstrikes will continue in both these areas. One of things that has emerged from the discussions

1:51:10 of behind this long-term effort. Long term, long term... Tell me how that jives with this clip because he mentioned Turkey just way up at the top of the thing tell me how it jives with this clip uh huh This issue of military bases in Turkey is an issue that continues to be discussed between American officials and Turkish officials

1:51:53 on that front? Well, I think it might be obvious from the public comments from both sides. But this is something that we continue to discuss with them. The Obama administration's pressure Turkey to take a more active role against ISIS while Turkey has requested a buffer zone along its border with Syria The dispute comes as Turkish warplanes have bombed one of the main groups fighting ISIS, the Kurdish Workers' Party or PKK. The Turkish military says it acted in retaliation to PKK attacks—the strikes are the first by Turkey against the PKK since a truce was reached in 2012." Yeah, this is very interesting. This is another one of these complete dichotomies that just—they have no way of explaining

1:52:37 And of course, Turkey has been killing and fighting the PKK in Kurdistan to northern Iraq for many, many years. And by killing them off there is not really helping with the overall mission." And there was...the Turkish government said, well you know we're not really going to do too much after Kerry had said it or I think maybe even the president had said- That was a president too! Yeah, Turkey's on board everybody and Kerry got this question It was, they only took two questions. This was the last question from I think the woman from Bloomberg which ties right into Turkey's participation or not and their NATO are they not?

1:53:18 Yeah, these guys they're not on board with the program That was Susan Rice she was she was talking about that yeah And Turkish officials have denied such an agreement was reached and also Turkish military has begun striking PKK targets which one could argue weakens the joint fight against ash so Can you clarify what understanding you have with the Turks regards to their role in the fight against Daesh and what is their policy on this and how tangible is it? And Kerry was, the whole time he's not happy with this question. For brevity I cut out a lot of his um uh pauses, his dramatic bull crap and went straight to this question. Turkey is a very valued member

1:54:13 coalition and has joined the coalition, is doing things in the coalition. It's committed to things in the coalition And as far as I know there is no discrepancy Oh! As far as I know? With respect to what was going on General Allen was there he had long meetings with them The meetings and his judgment helped him move the ball forward So I really think that Turkey obviously has a very important role to play in this process going forward. I'm confident that is going to be further defined by Turkey itself on their timetable as we go forward in assigning and undertaking responsibilities." How much waffling can you do? And his tongue is flipping out the whole time. Blah blah blah, bullshit! I'm lying, blah blah blah. Liar! Liar! You know what they're gonna do don't ya?!

1:55:12 They're activating for Tula Gulen. That's what's happening. Oh yeah, you watch! That would put the Turks back in Istanbul fighting riots. Yeah that's what they got to do. They've got to start causing a ruckus up there and I don't understand why do you think Erdogan is doing this John? Why is he not on board? Why is he not participating? What do you think? I mean I really am wracking my brain about this He seems to be supporting ISIS And I think it's very simple. Let's just take a look at the basics, okay? He is an Islamist Yes he would have been hung by his neck until dead under older circumstances in Turkey before the EU came around says you couldn't do this because it's a human rights violation and So they cowed turkey because the turkey wants to be in the EU desperately mm-hmm And so they left this guy in then he got rid of all the generals killed most of them we've got Just got changed the military completely so it's now very

1:56:11 Islamist and he's on board with them. He is an Islamist, and he hopes that at some point he can co-opt the ISIL ISIS group And be the big leader of the next giant caliphate I really think it's just...He is with them not against them That's why he killed these guys attacking him How does that fit in with his hatred for Assad? In Syria Assad is not an Islamist. He's one of these Westerners, who hangs out with Westerners dresses like one and all the rest he's beloved to get rid of that guy hmm I mean We have to remember that Erdogan is an Islamist He would be dead in there under older circumstances because it was illegal they have a nah You know he's not a secularist as far as he's concerned Why don't we go into Turkey and give them some freedom?

1:57:04 I think we tried that during the last round of riots in Turkey, where they had over the park. You remember? And it was all hell breaking loose and we had to ghoulenist behind a lot of that but that's essentially us. But yeah sure but the ghoulinists are kind of failing then what Erdogan has done is he kicked out everyone who... That's because everyone is a sharp operator! Yeah, this is the problem. And he knows the ropes and he has...and he knows that all his support comes from the hicks in the countryside that voted him in who are all a bunch of very stringent Muslims they're very fundamental and I think he's all-in with these with ISIS guys He's probably supplying it with stuff That's why shot all these guys Oh! It was because some previous beef That's why we interrupted this attack on ISIL army

1:57:56 I think it's just that simple. We don't know what to do about it." Daniel Cano Well, we need...I don't understand what is Turkey? Well, I guess maybe it's...hmmm. Yeah, Turkey being a NATO member is the problem. You can't really as an...NATO members don't typically attack each other although I'm sure we could figure out a way to make it work. John Cano I don't know how. It's, oh man. Okay it's a real problem it really is. No turkeys fly in the ointment. Yeah we always tried to screw their economy that didn't really work but whoever's running the show on this is just not doing a good job That's Kerry and then the State Department. It was better with Hillary You're right yeah I was better with Hillary here's the latest from

1:58:41 ISIL, very funny and I really implore everyone to watch this video link in the show notes of course. This is from CNN on the new ISIL training camp video Have you seen this thing? No It is beautiful. And they get some guy, and this is very meta when you listen to the report... They get some retired guy to comment on this video of a training video of ISIL. Recruits crawl through simulated barbed wire with trainers firing at them. They line up to have their torsos kicked The last man gets the honor of a knee to the body. A fighter drags a cloth mat with a rope fastened to it, To rescue a wounded comrade as they're pulled away they're fired at This is the stupidest thing and it looks like mash With all these tents and everything but everyone's in a big meeting in the middle But the tents all have

1:59:36 US stenciled on them. These are American army tents that they're in, which makes little sense when you hear the rest of this conversation and this report. This is the latest ISIS propaganda a video called Blood of Jihad showing fighters in basic training Is this anything that they would use in Anbar right now anywhere on the battlefield? Almost never This type of hand-to-hand fighting with automatic weapons mortars artillery vehicles almost never really occurs. Throughout this entire video, what you have is a stage set of exercises You look at them and this really isn't the training exercise it's a video exercise. It's propaganda Exactly This is the meta part It's only propaganda when... The mainstream media is showing it to scare you

2:00:27 So, yes it's propaganda and you CNN are propagandizing it. This is so obvious to me they're not reporting... You don't need to report on this by showing it if its propaganda- you are propagandizing! But somehow ISIS has captured most of Anbar province and come within just a few miles of Baghdad International Airport. What tactics have they deployed? Iraq combat veteran Douglas Olivant says on the battlefield ISIS has previously used what he calls a react to contact drill. Now listen to this, that means in a firefight they make initial contact against their enemy using the smallest number of fighters possible maybe three or four and then put down fire so that because those three or four guys can then keep 20 30 of the enemy focused on them Then Oliven says a larger group of ISIS fighters comes around flanking the enemy on one side finds a weakness attacks it

2:01:20 This is something that the US Army Ranger Regiment has really practiced for years. It's been their hallmark... Okay, so we have U.S. tents and we have tactics practiced by a U.S. army for years? What are you telling me?! What am I supposed to understand from this? Yeah! You're supposed to understand if you really paid attention that this is a U.S. operation Yes it is. And it's just...it's just disgusting Hegel went out there begging for some money to politicize all of this. He had some luncheon and, of course, ISIS is so frightening and ISIL... What is the whole point? What is part of what we need to do? We need sequestration! We need to turn back the clock! We need more money!" Now I want to ask something about before you say this. A sequestration which is the stoppage of it didn't really cut any budgets

2:02:18 It cut increases in budgets. Yes, correct and we always seem to forget that the military budget was X and they wanted it to be x plus 20. And sequestration didn't even cut the whole plus twenty, it made it like a plus ten. It's funny how the media is just not really reminding us of that simple fact...and Hagel doesn't do it either! Our soldiers deserve better than that. They deserve a stable and predictable budget that gives them and their families ...in the support they need. Why? They're not going into combat anymore! But despite temporary relief, sequestration remains the law of the land If Congress does not act it will return... Read Republicans suck In 2016 stunting and reversing the Army's readiness just as we've begun to recover We are so not ready. We just don't have enough military stuff going on John I think we need to get more money in there. We just don't have-we're not ready

2:03:20 and requiring even more dramatic reductions in force structure. That would be horrible! The military as a whole will face a similar readiness crisis if Congress does not accept the program cuts and compensation reforms we have proposed in our budgets." Most of his entire speech is all about, just need money when you've money when he moved more money anymore money And then of course we need to sell this still to the press corps who are Josh Earnest You know, before you go on with that I would just...a thought comes to mind. This guy, Obama's the one who wanted to cut the budget or cut the increases in the budget. Sequestration was a...was it not the president's idea? Yeah it was. Now this guy as far as I know works for the president. Hegel yeah.

2:04:08 Why does the president say this so this is very fishy to me? Why doesn't the president just tell him to shut up or take a walk I don't know. I don't know because I think Hagel is a good guy at heart He's dumb We know he's dumb, but dumb in the political sense. He is not politically savvy I mean his whole confirmation hearing had to do over and say oh i'm sorry we love Israel whatever his problem was screw that up And everyone would be like it was a mistake don't worry about it he's fixing its all good we wont talk about that anymore Now we have Josh Earnest, which is just a funny name. I always chuckle when I hear Josh Earnest. Yeah. Joshing is making jokes and earnestness in all sincerity and he has the perfect way to explain again what we're not seeing. All were seeing is stock footage of jets flying. We're seeing stock footage of rockets being fired from a ship and then we see some grainy black-and-white footage of a truck

2:05:14 And then the flash of light and the truck is gone. And we've done 700 sorties or whatever the number is... We're really seeing nothing, but he has the proof. But there doesn't seem to be a lot of evidence on the battlefield that ISIL is being degraded or destroyed what evidence can you provide that the campaign is effective? Well what I do is refer you to the Department of Defense they are conducting battle damage assessments of the air strikes and they have periodically conducted briefings to talk about the results of those air strikes. They're miles from the Baghdad airport not to mention what's going on in Syria

2:05:51 Aside from the individual number of airstrikes, you know we're dazzled by 700 sorties and things that numbers like that. But what hard evidence can you provide that people can see that the effect of this strategy is effective? Well again for to for a tactical assessment of the air strikes I'd refer you to the Department of Defense they're the ones that again they've conducted briefings a couple times with maps walking through exactly what the targets were and what impact the strikes had John They have maps. Wow! Maps to show you exactly what they've done. Maps, uh-huh? You better believe it now Well I have a clip here that i want to talk about for a second

2:06:34 And you earlier talked about there's no way of explaining the discrepancies. There are a lot of no ways of explaining certain things, but this discovery of chemical weapons in Iraq is the most interesting of no way of explaining because it just brings up a bunch...and again, there's probably political motivations here because it looks like something they're blaming on Bush. Why not? Because earlier we talked about something and they blamed it on Bush Because you know, you got to try and get that mean back. That's not going to work because Bush is... But I'm just trying to understand it's hilarious was it not the funniest thing to say at dinner parties with Obots that I've had?

2:07:14 Wow, they Bush and Cheney. They took us in on false pretenses there were no weapons of mass destruction oh crap! And now they're actually trying to say there were weapons of mass destruction and it's Bush's fault that we didn't get them? Well let's listen to two clips. A new report says the Bush administration concealed the discovery of chemical weapons in Iraq that had been developed with US support in 1980 That is hilarious I know we need a laugh track for this one Oh God, can we find some proof of something? We need proof! Anything. No now they concealed it. Oh yeah we got the proof we just didn't want to show it. We'll take all that- we'll go to International Criminal Court Wow Amy. And then denied medical care to the wounded American soldiers involved

2:07:58 According to The New York Times, U.S. troops secretly reported finding over 5,000 chemical warheads, shells or bombs after the 2003 invasion. All the chemical weaponry predated 1991—just a year after Saddam Hussein stopped being a U.S. ally and recipient of the Western military aid that helped build his arsenal. At least 17 American and six Iraqi troops were wounded in their handling of the munitions in six separate incidents between 2004 and 2011. The weapons' existence was kept from the troops entering those areas, and officials denied the victims the care they needed. One soldier talked about his health problems as a result of chemical exposure. Wow! I still have residual blisters every now and then. I still have a lot of trouble breathing.

2:08:46 I have a constant headache. Um, but I haven't not had a headache since 2008. The only thing i can think of is politics doesn't jive with the story they wanted Wow this is Agent Orange all over again Well, there's a couple of elements here that are unique. One all the weapons existed before 1991 and when they showed the stockpile which it could have been fake but they showed us stock pile it's... They were obviously American made! Well yeah we sold them thats what she said in the report kind of yes We sold him to them But he didn't say this angers me for a number of reasons I took off course I truly believe and has depleted uranium all kinds of things have gone on

2:09:30 And we have Sergeant Fred, who's one of our biggest supporters producers. He has all kinds of medical issues still from Agent Orange and there is no help! No help and now they're pinning this on Bush that... Oh what are they trying to turn the VA scandal around? Now this is disgusting I'm not sure what they're trying to do, but play those—part two is a very short clip. In addition to raising new questions about the neglect of soldiers' health and the Bush administration's false pretext for going to war, the disclosure also carries implications for Iraq's ongoing crisis.

2:10:05 The Islamic State now controls most of the territory where the chemical weapons were found. Nice double hit there, we got a hit on Bush which should turn some voters and then we have a hit on... Oh yeah! We found these in I guess around 2008 or sooner because that's what we're looking for to get our own chemical weapons out of Iraq. Yeah. And left them there for ISIS and ISIL? Yeah really?! Does this any of this story make any sense whatsoever? This story is completely bullcrap in every which way. And I would just like to see some actual video footage of what is really going on

2:10:45 And they don't have it. This is like Libya, we never saw any of the airstrikes on Libya I'm sure it happened. Oh and don't forget the handing out to Viagra so everybody could rape women my favorite part of that Libyan story What? There's this fabulous story from The Netherlands and this is so mind-bogglingly Dutch There's this motorcycle club called No Surrender. And, you know, in a motorcycle clubs slash gangs have always had a very interesting position in Dutch society and we had the Hells Angels when I was growing up and we had guys like Big Villum and yeah but I forget all their names but there was some kind of respect from the public because these guys were... Mickey said it, we're talking about

2:11:36 coffee this morning, the kind of like the police force of the underground. So kind of like in a way like The New York Guardian Angels but not really because they never really deal in the drugs directly or in the killing or anything but they're always somehow involved and uh... lot of these guys started this motorcycle club called No Surrender ummm..in 2013 And the Dutch also, there is a motorcycle culture. There's a lot of reasons why this is happening but in this one of the co-founders was Willem Holader he was...this may mean nothing to anybody but the Dutch He was the guy who convicted of kidnapping Freddie Heineken The guy, the Heineken guy we remember

2:12:20 And was it maybe 20 years ago? No. Well, Freddie Heineken was kidnapped and you know this to this day how the ransom was paid and who was involved in is very, very sketchy. So this guy was involved in I think the big villain guy whatever. They have now received from the interior minister he came out and said an approval because they were saying we're going to go to Syria and we're gonna go fight against ISIS And the interior minister said, well you know as long as they're not fighting against us then it's perfectly legal and they have my blessing. I'm paraphrasing...and now this motorcycle gang has become like the hero of The Dutch because they're gonna go over there and kick some ISIS ass! It is too bizarre for words

2:13:14 That's nuts. How are they managing to do this? Well, they're getting on their bikes and they're driving over there... With rifles on their bikes? Yeah! No just a knife and a compass I don't know what they're doing but then you know and and and the Dacha I'm looking at the tweets and that's why i asked Miki if she'd seen anything on Facebook about this which she hadn't but did you have to kind of know the no surrender name even the name no surrender And, you know the Dutch has an army. You know we have a couple of F-16s that are doing something never really mentioned and by the way they keep forgetting to put them on the list of the coalition it stops at M. The Netherlands is never on the list! So now with...we have the new heroes this is bizarre this truly bizarre. Yeah just to keep that story in the news

2:14:08 Well, it's working. Yeah, all this stuff... everything works! And then I have a thing here that was just blew me away of a native advertising bit then you tell me if you can fit this is Brawlf, you tell me if you can figure out this is a whole series on CNN Who is the, what is the native ad for? And it's more than just product placement. It truly is a native ad. At all weeks CNN has presented a special series Roots Our Journey Home. CNN journalists have traveled across continents finding hidden details of our family histories My own journey took me to Israel, to Poland and my hometown Buffalo New York Here's a preview

2:14:50 I feel like i've been robbed of an experience of having grandparents. Six million Jews were killed during the Holocaust and I saw the documentation there, place of extermination if you will whatever it was called Auschwitz that had really hit me in then I knew that's where I wanted to go So what is The Native Ad? Who is this an ad for? Well would either be for one of those websites that you can trace your heritage too which has got a lot of money Or Israel. Well, you had it right the first time. Ancestry dot com Yeah that's it! That's the one. Which is the Mormons It's huge, The Mormons and they have this new product called Ancestry DNA

2:15:32 where you do a DNA test. This is their new product, $99 and they're sponsoring this entire show so you see them do a little DNA test and they figure out who they are and then go trace their roots... And this is an ongoing series on CNN covered up as content Yeah, well that's what you do. Nobody can afford content anymore No! That's not what we do! No no WE don't do that of course! No we don't do that! I'm gonna show my support by donating to KnowAgenda Imagine all the people who could do that Oh yeah that'd be fab! On KnowAgenda! Morning! We not only DON'T DO it but we EXPOSE it when we find it

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2:31:04 Which is really quite disgusting. Well, I like meat but the mutton is not one of my favorites. Can I ask you a question about society in general? My favorite topic! Now what is the difference so far as the possibility let's say 20 years ago using maybe an early digital camera or a little compact film camera something like that Or even going back 50 years for all that matters. And taking an upskirt picture, which you might want to do and today doing the exact same thing 50 years ago today. What is the difference?

2:31:55 The difference in what way? In the end result, in the equality... You can take one 50 years ago. You can take one today. Is there a real change that is important enough to change all the laws in the country? Ah! Hmm. Well I would say and I did it now. The difference is... Yeah, I heard you. I did yeah. The difference is the shareability 50 years ago, you kind of could show it to your buddies and you couldn't replicate it all over the interwebs. Okay that would I guess be... But still would, but there was a period when I looked at upskirt websites and went huh! That's pretty rude? Yes very rude well let's listen to what Queen Latifah says on her show about this topic Wow Well I'll tell ya after... Video, cell phone

2:32:48 And what this judge was saying is you don't have a reasonable expectation of privacy when you're out in public places. So, when you're on the train or on the bus at Lincoln Memorial if your sitting with your skirt and legs exposed anyone can take your pictures and it's not illegal That does not feel right to me. Everything about that seems wrong Yeah, you know I think the judge got it wrong. I think the judge took this very narrow interpretation of this antiquated outdated law and didn't take into consideration that today with phones and smart technology

2:33:31 people's privacy. We're not private figures just because we're sitting out in a private place or public places, which I think is going to get very tricky because as technology advances and as everyone has a camera phone, cell phone or some sort of video recorder judges and legal experts you guys are gonna have to figure out How to adjust those, I'm not exactly sure how old that law is. But you're gonna constantly see these sort of cases coming around where judges have to adjust these laws to apply it today's America. Today's reality. Hold the phone for... Oh are you still there? Yes Okay i'm good. Hold the phone when I hear this I know that this has come up before on this show

2:34:22 I went to search.nashownotes.com during this clip and put in the word upskirt, episode 5-9 or 8 Massachusetts Supreme Court rules upskirt photos taken without permission are legal we have discussed this and this is now back? Yes! This is the war on photography. Let me...598 that's probably not into no agenda player so I couldn't find that that's too old huh So this, why is this back? And where was she talking about Massachusetts again or was there something else. I think it was a second case. I think it's another case that came up and the judge did the same exact thing based on the first case. This is a new case. Interesting. I have this video clip of something we played on 598 so give us a whirl and see what it was. Yeah just to...this is interesting that this happened. Lawmakers in Massachusett are looking for their own solution after the state highest court caused outrage

2:35:19 The justices ruled unanimously yesterday that a man accused of taking pictures underneath the woman's skirt on a commuter train did not, I repeat, not break the law. The practice is known as upskirting. CBS News legal analyst Ricky Klayman is the Massachusetts trial attorney. Good morning. Good morning. Okay how was this not illegal? Well, it's dreadful. It's creepy. It is something that none of us want to happen to ourselves or others but if you look at the language of the law in Massachusetts it's not illegal Why not? Well why not because the way the legislature had drafted this law

2:36:01 says that a woman has to be nude or partially nude and that she has to be in a place with the reasonable expectation of privacy. The law was about peeping Toms, you're in your bed." Yeah it was the Peeping Tom Law hmm I'm looking now at the show notes for FiveNinerHC if I can find any other supporting articles So, okay. So are the...this is just coming back then I guess? Is this it or we oh, I know what we're gonna do let's blame it on Republicans does that make any sense? That's a stretch. I don't know. Most of the Apple iPhone users to be honest about it are Democrats. Oh so here's what's interesting did you actually watch The Queen Latifah Show now I'm asking very specifically because

2:36:52 Now, you had told me we had a conversation a few weeks ago and you said Craig Ferguson is worth watching. Yes because he's on his way out and he's got this big payoff. He doesn't care. And I agree. I watched the show Dynamite hilarious. And even said ladies and gentlemen, you're watching a foreigner who doesn't give a crap. It was so true. After Ferguson The Queen Latifah Show comes on And this is, and she had... Oh I know why. I stayed watching because she had Lisa Ling on. Lisa Ling was no new show for whatever Lisa Ling. I thought maybe get some clips from it didn't really find anything right but she had this clip of this outfit called My Job Chart and do you mind if i just move towards this for a second? No that's fine! I don't really have any other point to make about this so well the Queen Latifah Show

2:37:46 It's one big native ad. And it started off... I don't like the Queen Latifah show, but a lot of these new shows that one horrible one which I can remember the name of it is the worst in the group but anyway go on the one horrible one that you can't remember. Okay, she starts off with a callback to this Dove campaign which I like which is how mothers influence their daughters about self-image and it was very revealing but it's a commercial for Dove and this is Dove as Unilever very smart they know how to do these things in there and they are the leaders of native advertising

2:38:26 But then this native ad comes up with a PR video of My Job Chart, and I'll play the PR video. This is the whole thing not from The Queen Latifah Show but from their website at myjobchart.com. Today more than ever parents are facing a serious problem consistently teaching kids the benefits of work and the value of $1 It is becoming increasingly difficult for our kids to get away from things like video games and TV It's harder and harder for parents to raise kids that know how to work and be responsible. Conscientious parents have tried everything from paper charts on the wall, reward cards, posters, stickers... you name it! It has been tried. Finally there is a solution for kids growing up in the digital age. MyJobChart dot com. MyJobChart dot com teaches kids to work in fun and productive way.

2:39:18 With my job chart calm kids love to log in with their own password Are you at my job chart comm I'm just sitting back listening to this bullcrap and while we're a little bit more of this list go to the products section and You'll see what this is. Okay, my job chart complete their chores They earn points. Points! These points can then be used to save, share or spend My job chart is revolutionizing the way parents teach children financial fundamentals Oh! With patented technology my job chart teaches kids to save, share and spend Now that goes on a little bit longer What was you going me to click on?

2:39:57 products in the top menu. This website... Myjobchart, is it how do you? I must... this can't be it. myjobchart dot com Oh chart okay but S So what this is you if this is teaching children how to be debt slaves so you get a mobile app and then make up your bed Do your chore. Myjobchart dot com I get no server not found oh wait does ww1 thing snuck in there let me get rid of that It's really hard It's just like you know this did have your notices a lot of the browsers now they kick back to the previous thing you typed in Yeah, browsers are inherently broken. Yeah true and here here I just erased The dot that I left on there And it put in and then I went to click on it and boom which shows up again? I didn't go back to the same dead side You know what that is its obvious He is screwing with your browser

2:40:54 So financial products for kids while you're got there. This is sponsored by and this is a front company for Capital One. So the kids get points and then with those points, they get right their product. But we have a little one featured debit cards for kids and then financial products. Thank you. This is your This is your find of the day. This is gross, it's gross ebola. Yeah exactly yeah myjobchart.com Disgusting scary and wretched and miserable It is gross Yes that this site My Job Chart

2:41:42 Wow. And, and you know when I was growing up we had something called Grit. I think we've talked about that before. And Grit was a newspaper and sign-up in and you deliver this newspaper which nobody read... No nobody. When I was a kid. Then you'd get points and could earn a bike which never earned it as a kid. X-ray glasses or something You could actually get a real job at a real company and buy a car when you're in high school Tell us about those days John Those must have been great. It was, I didn't realize until recently how great it was! It was wonderful. I knew a kid who bought a Corvette new while in high school. What did...I spent all my money on CB radios and stuff Oh we did that too. I remember one time i took two buses and a tram into Amsterdam to go to the army surplus store

2:42:41 to buy a gas mask. And to this day, I'm not quite sure why i did that It was lulup for the enanti. Because gas masks are cool! They were, it was kind of cool and I had in my room and then you know friends would come up with one case. Hey can i put the gas mask on? Yeah man sure go ahead give it a shot try the gas mask yeah that's strange so yeah this is this is The Queen Latifah Show one big native ad and yeah disgusting I really did not like that. Be interesting to see the books of that show because it's all native advertising

2:43:19 It started once in a while she talks about something like with this situation with the upskirting I couldn't find an ad in there, but... I'm not sure why that was that's being brought back. Maybe they just had a hole and needed to plug it with something maybe. I got two things yeah one more getting women to vote Democrat Yeah. This is from the White House and again I got two separate emails to the two different at curry dot com email addresses with different subject headers but the same body in the message they're doing lots of A B testing and this is the White House whiteboard so it's one of those things that we don't like if you're there during a be testing on here are the two headlines okay that I'd almost hold on White House will always be of interest to me yes I'm sorry I am

2:44:17 That was actually dumb that I didn't keep that. Let me see, I'm looking in my... I wonder... So there are almost a million dummies who have signed up for it? 779 thousand people have signed up for My Job Chart. Really?! Yeah! Okay so..I don't know if i have this one specifically but I do have here's an example from the White House, Jobs Day. This is when the numbers came out that was version A version B the jobs report de-wonkified as the alternative... One of them was just straight Jobs day? Uh huh capital J capital D Yeah that is not a good headline under any circumstance you don't test against crap

2:45:07 Anyway, okay. I just wanted to know how if there were if this were talented headline writers. Yeah, I'm sorry Now I know I have to keep them yes But I feel stupid because I should have even at least written it down So this is the whiteboard where you see a hand drawing With the voiceover. I hate that yeah me too and its overused and overdone And but they promise under two minutes which under two minutes? To explain the minimum wage benefit. The benefit to Americans having minimum wage, but wow does this make a turn almost from the beginning to

2:45:48 Say hello, women! Vote for us not for the other team. I've been hearing the president calling for an increase in the minimum wage How low is the minimum wage actually? Think about this Today the minimum wage buys you about 20% less than it did in 1981 when Ronald Reagan took office Meanwhile a subway fare's higher that was in the 80s So is a week of child care and so is college tuition Has your landlord been handing out rent decreases? Didn't think so So, who exactly is earning the minimum wage these days? The typical minimum wage worker probably isn't who you think she is. Probably isn't who you think she is... whaaat? More than half of those who would benefit from an increase are women. More than half of them work full time They're 35 years old on average and more than a quarter have children

2:46:36 Take Sarah, a wage earner in South Carolina. Here's what a 10-10 federal minimum wage would mean for her It would cover more than 24 months of groceries More than 7 months worth of rent More than 38 months of electricity More than 1700 gallons of gas Let's zoom out for a second ZOOM OUT! What does the big picture look like here? Raising the federal minimum wage right now Would lift 2 million Americans out of poverty 28 million American workers from all types of households Would see their wages go up Plus, it'd strengthen our economy and our businesses because consumers will have more money to spend and businesses will see higher product... Well you get the point. Wow! It's all about women not a single mention of men. And you're right this is everything we talked about on today's show can be hooked in somehow some way to moving votes from one party to the other

2:47:22 Both sides doing it. This is going to be, by the way a theme of every show we do until the election's over and then when the elections over We will all of a sudden see a whole different news profile that we have to deconstruct Oh yeah very different There was one that I'm surprised...a little surprised you didn't come up with this one This is your friend Thom Hartmann Are you ready for it? No, I'm always ready for Thumb. Christopher Columbus was the ISIS of his day. Okay, clip of the day for that! Stupidest thing i've ever heard anyone say Let me do a combo then in that show Wow! Christopher Columbus was the ISIS of his day. Wow wow

2:48:15 What is wrong with these people and he goes way into that way deep into that? Oh, I'm sure he does It's part of the left. There's a not a left-wing but progressive will call it kind of a litany that that wants to vilify Christopher Columbus and Indigenous Peoples Day and all the rest of his stems from this do you mean in the entire clip I mean, I know that we've made a shift on Christopher Columbus and...I don't know if I really care. The mail didn't come, the banks were closed but I still had stuff to do. Jay, actually when most stores were open it gave me a shot into San Francisco and back with no traffic. There must be some... By the way, I didn't realize because the track was so low and it was only federal people that were off working bankers

2:49:06 that most of the traffic in the Bay Area is from these people. Not tech workers, Steve! It's not high-tech doing well it's these bankers and federal workers clogging up the freeways. Do you know what the deal is? Why this has so been changed and Columbus is now a horrible guy? This is just a code for fellow travelers. This began in Berkeley area into California probably as long and far back as I can remember, probably the 70s. Maybe into the 60s it's been...it was a slow growth movement but it indicates you're part of that team that think in the right way like the Obama bots. You ask them they'll be there all in on this. And do we listen to Deconstruct or just leave it alone? We can leave it alone That's what I thought. Yeah, I don't want to have a repeat of the last show

2:49:56 You were right, by the way. You were right. Okay I'll save everything else. That was all Kerry's fault It was and then...I still think you know I do these Kerry clips and then I listen like ahhhh I'm gonna... I haven't tried it unless Kerry's got words. It's very hard. He never does because he's such a boring guy that I see I happen to have had a Kerry clip for I don't know months because there is nothing to clip Just droning on and on. I try every single time there is actually, there's one thing I do want to play because this is something I'm working on and uh... There's a very long video I have queued up for um... To look at for Sunday show so this is what I'll be working on Is it new term? I had not heard it but its been around I just didn't know what was going on with this And this is I think a...I don't know if this BBC or no

2:50:53 This may be BBC about war games going on in and around the Chinese Sea, and pretty much all around China that we are conducting. And here's a new term in this... We just saw that report from World War II days with these live military exercises off the coast of Guam Are we now seeing the full might of America so-called Asia pivot policy? Good morning I do believe we are A lot of things are taking place currently. We saw the USS Carl Vinson also there with the George Washington in terms of carrier strike group that was recently through Singapore, we've had a number of engagements in the region. The US Army is executing what's called Pacific Pathways this is a newer concept we had U.S. Army soldiers from Washington State they were training at Indonesia they went up to Malaysia and going to do an exercise in Japan so I think we are seeing this

2:51:36 There's still a bit more of it coming online. We're about halfway to the 2,500 Marines that are going to be stationed in Darwin or rotational presence through Darwin. That's still ongoing but we are seeing it and presence is very important you see that? Indeed presence is very important and the commitment of US President Barack Obama recently The Obama administration shifted in policy since the end of Vietnam War to begin selling Vietnam limited amounts of lethal arms This is dramatic. It's amazing to think 1975 at the end of that war was not that long ago, so we have seen a tremendous movement in that direction I think we still have a long way to go and obviously Vietnam has a multitude of concerns But this is a significant step forward Did you hear the term? No Pacific Pathways Oh okay And this as this guy said A relatively new term Um and from defense dot gov I found a page about it

2:52:32 Pacific Pathways increases readiness through partnership, and the concept is an innovative and experimental approach to increasing Army readiness through the partnership. The commander of...through partnership," the commander of US Army Pacific said yesterday."This is an innovation in large measure it's a new way of doing something we have been doing already We have already been participating in exercises around the region and I believe what this means is our exercises with Japan, with...in the Malacca Straits, Indonesia Malaysia and all of it intended clearly to tell the Chinas we're here.

2:53:18 Oh yeah. And there was a big conference about this with all of us... I'm now more convinced by the way than ever that this action taking place in Hong Kong is us! Totally! Well, okay and then i do have one final clip well then i have a final clip you want to do your final clip first or? This is the Hong Kong thing i want to play i have two clips one is the protester in china clip which i'm going to skip that and go to number 2 but wait let me i would like to do mine because Yours may be very, very short. It is eight seconds. I'm going to tell you what mine's about and then you can make a decision. Mine is about a man on the street in China asking around whether anyone knows about Hong Kong? No. This is...mine will be perfect to do first. Hold on. You have two or one?

2:54:04 I have two, but the one you want is part two. It says to China protest to... You don't wanna do the other one? Only that one? No, the other one is too long and it's not what the point I wanna make. So this is from, I think BBC and I was listening to NPR and I hear the same term over and over again when they're talking about The Umbrella Revolution which by itself means that US State Department when we name it Orange Revolution Rose Revolution Umbrella Revolution Hello to hundreds of Hong Kong police officers have clashed with pro-democracy protesters. Pro democracy protesters, this is such a loaded term to say pro democracy. It's not they have democracy they just don't like the way it's been set up but to say to blanketly say pro-democracy protestors I think is wrong

2:54:55 It serves its purpose. Alright, dude does this need setting up your clip? This is the Chinese... they can't seem to get our mistake here And I guess the Chinese skill is they've blocked this information from the mainland because they don't need this aggravation there to such an extreme that it's almost laughable. And what you're going to hear could happen here at any moment and may already be going on when we have our protesters like the Occupy groups that lose all their credibility, this fear has turned into paranoia Last Saturday in Beijing, some internet posts called on people to come to Tiananmen Square with open umbrellas. But after one hour we saw only one person carrying this symbol of the Hong Kong protest—a tourist surprised to be refused entry into the square. Other posts called for a rally at this McDonald's.

2:55:50 was there, except the police who filmed us and then blocked our cameras. But it's hard to imagine the Hong Kong protests spreading to mainland China. Beijing filters all information coming from Hong Even at this university, which was a center of the 1989 Tiananmen movement students seemed barely aware of the Hong Kong demonstrations. I haven't really paid much attention to this sorry Occupying central means occupying the centre of Hong Kong in order to force the government to do something. I think that's what it is. I think patriotism should be the most important issue here, I don't know what to say and I can't quite grasp what is going on

2:56:40 Okay, break it down. That's it. They've done such a great job so there's the our State Department which we'll assume has something to do with this just to give the Chinese the needle and It is their banking center Hong Kong oh yeah We can't...we have to find some new mechanism into the information into China because what we really want to do is kind of upset the apple cart there. But we're not even close! It's like a fail, it's like a complete fail. Huh yeah no it wouldn't...it's the State Department's fail. It is Kerry's state department and you can say what you want about her but Hillary when it came to screwing countries over she was the bomb Yeah

2:57:30 I mean it didn't work out with the, you know, actually made a bigger mess but if the goal is to rubbleize... The Chinese are just get the Chinese wall. Hello, it's always was called that and it's It's amusing to me that they can't in China and they have all these bypasses even we've even worked it out so the Iranians We had a clip where they have all kinds of mechanisms where they can bypass all those sensors China no No, even the college students don't have a clue and there are ones who would be this susceptible to being upset right

2:58:06 Yeah, this is going to be fun. But we're the Chinese are out matching us outwitting us. Well, we will have that and many more issues to discuss on the next episode of The Best Podcast in the Universe featuring future podcasting Hall-of-Fame inductees for our tireless work in promoting the medium Wouldn't be funny if we don't get inducted? Oh, it wouldn't be fun. I don't expect to be inductive. It'd be funny if you didn't. You're in! You are a pioneer A true pioneer of the medium yes, yes! Guess they can always play Tech Grouch and that would... Well, he will think as me Then I got something for the end sequence which is even better All right Yeah Alright good working with ya

2:59:06 I'm not gonna be a hall-of-famer. I Mean that sincerely coming to you from FEMA region 6 here in the capital of the drone star state in the morning everybody My name is Adam curry and from FEMA Region 9 also known as northern Silicon Valley where we are studying the possibility that were all species is I'm John C. Dvorak and we will be back right here on Sunday with more deconstruction remember dvorak dot org slash na and uh, we'll see you right here on no agenda in the month exactly i've got to get to the Long's drugs and get some toilet paper because the chinese are buying it up what happens if they're wrong If they're wrong

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