Episode 657 · Friday, 3 October 2014

bio-hacking

Public health officials struggle with Ebola messaging as a Secret Service leadership crisis and the rapid rise of ISIS force a total recalibration of American national security.

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About this episode

CDC Director Dr. Thomas Frieden and the Obama administration face mounting scrutiny following the first confirmed domestic Ebola case in Dallas, Texas. While Frieden maintains the virus only spreads through direct contact, his contradictory closing remarks about the air we breathe have fueled public skepticism. The White House has responded with a digital media blitz across Instagram and Twitter, utilizing Dr. Sanjay Gupta to manage the domestic narrative as international aid efforts divide along colonial lines in West Africa.

National security tensions escalate as President Barack Obama attributes the rise of ISIS to an intelligence failure by Director of National Intelligence James Clapper. Senators John McCain and Joe Lieberman are advocating for the Counter Extremism Project to disrupt social media recruitment, while UK Home Secretary Theresa May proposes Extremism Disruption Orders to ban groups within legal limits. Meanwhile, Secret Service Director Julia Pierson resigned following a contentious hearing led by Jason Chaffetz regarding an armed intruder in the White House and a security breach involving an armed contractor in an elevator with the President.

A bizarre intersection of pop culture and policy emerges as Valerie Jarrett makes a cameo on The Good Wife and the CBS show Scorpion promotes scientifically impossible biohacking plots. In Pennsylvania, the manhunt for Eric Frein has placed Poconos residents under a three-week tactical lockdown, forcing families to sleep in cars while SWAT teams occupy private yards. The episode concludes with a knighting ceremony for executive producers Travis Benelli and Greg Worley, celebrating seven years of the value-for-value model.


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CHAPTER 01 / 27 Discussion

Ebola Virus Outbreak, Thomas Frieden CDC Press Conference

The first confirmed case of Ebola in the United States, located in Dallas, Texas, prompts a critical analysis of the public health response. Dr. Thomas Frieden, Director of the CDC, delivers a press conference where he emphasizes that the virus is only spread through direct contact with bodily fluids. Skepticism arises regarding Frieden's phrasing, specifically his use of the term "importation" and his closing remark about humanity being "connected by the air we breathe," which contradicts earlier statements about the virus not being airborne.

ebola· cdc· thomas frieden· texas· quarantine· pandemic· viral transmission

00:00 I can't jump in an F-16 and take off. Adam Curry, John C. Dvorak It's Thursday October 2nd 2014 time to get the nation media assassination episode 657 This is no agenda Sheltering in place cowering in the corner Ebola is real and it's here in FEMA region 6 In the capital of their own star state Austin Texas Good morning everybody! I'm Adam Curry And from northern Silicon Valley where there's no Ebola yet I'm John C. Dvorak Oh man. Drupal just minutes ago!

01:12 It's a fantastic opportunity and we are not taking advantage of it, John. Yeah, it's too late for us No! We're not taking advantage of it. We're not taking advantage of anything You know who is taking advantage of this? The way he knows how to do it properly Obama? No! But think about it...it's Ebola in Texas What are you going to do? Rick Perry? NO Oh, the seed seller? I'll tell you this. If Ebola breaks out in the United States... ...I'm going to quarantine myself wearing a mask. I've already got it in place for my family That's right! Buy our masks now! We gotta be selling masks John Seeds, masks everything all-in-one go

01:59 It's unbelievable Yes, it is rather unbelievable I would have to agree Man it's funny being here on the front line you're not even near Dallas how many miles is Dallas from Austin? Oh gosh state It's got to be 300 miles at least. No, no it is not that far. It is a good four and half hour drive. Well that is not 300 miles lost into Dallas distance. Okay I said 300 miles we are now going to see as John consult the book of knowledge. You said 400 miles? I said 300. Okay well whatever this 195. That what I meant close enough

02:51 Okay, it's 195 miles so that's from here to Reno for me. Yeah, this is like No the whole thing is ridiculous What is ridiculous? This is a complete bullcrap Setup I'm not even sure exactly what we're being set up with anymore You know, imagine for a moment John if you will. I don't think this was really that...I don't think it was planned because it was so...it was poorly executed. It was... Oh no! Never take a couple aspirin and go home. Exactly but never let a good crisis go to waste and that's what we're seeing here. We need to terrorize old ladies. And then we have to frighten the bejesus out of them

03:36 That is what is going on and it works. You know, you see how many people contact me because I'm in Texas? Hey are you okay man? Hey you can always stay at my place here in California if you want. It's just... Okay so I just wanna place you for a moment We're in a disaster movie. Okay, you with me? Yeah, right there we're in a contagion like disaster movie and And and right now we are Walking into a diner it's a dusty road out there You know we've rolled up in our in your old in your Lexus And we go in to grab a cup of coffee and then as we're chatting about how quiet it is around these parts these days, We look up and see on the television there's some breaking news. It looks like we have... Oh yes! It looks like the director of CDC is speaking to us

04:28 As you've been hearing from us, Ebola is a serious disease. Seriously listen to this it is exactly like the movie! It's only spread by direct contact with someone who's sick with the virus... Sick? And its only spread through body fluids The incubation period is 8-10 days after exposure can be as short as 2 days or as long as 21 days and then all of a sudden the guy behind the counter starts puking I watched this, this is Dr. Thomas Frieden from the CDC who we have had our eye on during this Ebola scare. Yep! For a number of reasons he holds some interesting patents on virology He is not without controversy His appointment was not without controversy

05:20 And he seems to...he is one of these guys who, again John the truth just wants to come out when people like this go on television and speak. I think he's really digging this. To me he is just I think he gets off on this position that he's in. Oh, he's having fun. He's not all it shows to let us listen. Let's listen very carefully and put the full speech in the show in a show notes on the clips there so you can listen to is about five minutes long. I picked out a few bites

05:58 That I found curious at best And you listen along tell me what you think of these little things where I believe the truth is just forcing its way through his lips whether he wants it or not. The bottom line here is that, I have no doubt that we...I like this No doubt When someone says I have no doubt That does not instill any confidence in me You know what I mean? Yeah, I know what you mean. Okay the bottom line here is that i have no doubt that we will control this importation or this case of... What? Importation?! Well it came from outside the country but then why does he correct himself

06:51 Oh. Importation or this case of Ebola. See what I'm saying? He corrects himself. Importation or this case of Ebola. Strange, okay next thing i noticed This is...I don't know why he wouldn't just stay with importation because it sounds better if it was like you know some fluke although I guess there's some messaging that they don't want to do anything about preventing airlines from coming and going freely Could be could be could be now this blasted blasted this was a very funny gaff that he made, and I'm not sure why he made it. We identify all people who may have had contact with the patient while he could have been infectious and remember Ebola does not spread from someone who's not infectious Okay... Ebola does not spread from someone who is not infectious

07:44 Yeah? It does not spread from someone who doesn't have fever and other symptoms. Isn't that an interesting mistake he makes there? Well, what was the mistake in your eyes? Well he corrects himself again... He says Ebola does not spread from someone who's not infectious well of course if you don't if you're not infected you can't spread it Right So why does he even say this? Well he meant to say He's reading, John. How does he make these mistakes? Yes! Of course he is reading! How can he make these mistakes?! Okay then again here is the no doubt but this is different than the no doubt that he throws out this time It is certainly possible that someone who had contact with his individual a family member or other individual could develop Ebola in the coming weeks But there is no doubt in my mind That we will stop it here

08:41 Now it's no doubt in his mind, even less confidence. And now my favorite one! This is the very end... Oh hold on a second. This guy needs some media training or something. Yeah, Curry Dvorak Consulting Group. Well yeah. What happened here? Why didn't this uh...? Aw man.... There's some copywriting looks like I somehow didn't clip this right. Let's go to the very end of this response Not only of CDC where we already have more than 130 people in the ceo says here But also throughout the US government The president has leaned forward to make sure that were acting very well Sandburg what? Cheryl Sandberg

09:25 Lean forward Yes, MSNBC is their lean forward campaign But now listen what he says Lee there and the Defense Department is on the ground already strengthening the response We're working with USAID in other parts of the US government as well as with a broad global coalition to confront the epidemic there Okay, but ultimately you are all connected by the air we breathe What? Why is he saying this? You cannot get Ebola through the air, but ultimately we are all connected through the air we breathe. And that was the end of his statement. It sounds like messaging to me! Well yes... you're the director of the CDC and trying to calm people and keep saying don't worry you can't get this from a toilet seat

10:19 You can't get it from the toilet seat. You can only get it from coming into contact with someone who has it and then he ends by saying... Global coalition to confront the epidemic there, but ultimately we are all connected by the air we breathe What? Big tall connected by the air we breathe Ultimately We Are you heard the man say it! We might be all connected by the water we drink Well that will be in the next speech. We can slip that one in Huh. That was just peculiar, I don't know what that was all about.

CHAPTER 02 / 27 Discussion

CNN Ebola Coverage, Sanjay Gupta and Social Media Messaging

CNN's coverage of the Ebola crisis features Dr. Sanjay Gupta and various experts answering viewer questions via social media. The White House utilizes Instagram and Twitter to disseminate facts intended to calm public fears, asserting that the virus cannot be contracted through air, water, or food in the U.S. Analysts observe the heavy reliance on digital messaging to manage the domestic narrative surrounding the infection risk.

cnn· sanjay gupta· white house· instagram· social media· public health

11:00 I have Erin. I have Erin too, but... I'm sure we don't have the same Erin she had just a million reports on this one She brought a bunch of experts on and they had nothing and they were gonna answer so here's that level of news analysis on CNN They got three experts on and they're gonna answer tweets. That this patient does not pose a risk Here is what he has to say It is our view that the medical infrastructure that is necessary to meet the, uh...to try and treat this individual that does have Ebola in a way that doesn't pose a significant risk to other patients in the hospital. To the doctors and nurses who will be caring for that individual. And certainly doesn't pose a significant risk to the broader community

11:51 In the meantime, the White House is using social media to spread the facts about Ebola. Officials have been tweeting... I have this clip believe me! I'm posting on Instagram this message and we can throw it up on screen it says... You can't get Ebola through air you can't get a Ebola through water but ultimately we all breathe these same air citizens. You can't get Ebola through food in the US adding later that the virus can only be spread through COVID contact with the blood or body fluids of people or animals sick with Ebola. But Aaron, despite these efforts to get the word out make no mistake this is something that The White House is watching very closely tonight. As they should be thank you very much Jim and now Dr Sanjay Gupta's back. Dr Ian Lipkin joins me director for the Center for Infection and Immunity he was also a consultant for the movie Contagion and Dr Sammy Asman former epidemiologist at CDC now medical writer for The Dallas Morning News I saw this

CHAPTER 03 / 27 Discussion

NPR Ebola Pronunciation, International Response Disparities

A montage of an NPR reporter's varied pronunciations of the word "Ebola" serves as a transition into a discussion on the geopolitical response to the outbreak in West Africa. The United States, France, and the United Kingdom have divided their aid efforts along historical colonial lines, with the U.S. focusing on Liberia, France on Guinea, and the UK on Sierra Leone. This division of labor raises questions about the role of the United Nations and the absence of other global powers like Germany or China in the primary response efforts.

npr· liberia· guinea· sierra leone· united nations· colonialism

12:45 And yeah, they're answering it's stupid tweet tweets. It's completely Moronic moronic I tell you it's bubonic Yeah Mike Kletcher producer Mike He no one has really come up with a conclusive answer as to where the NPR Ebola woman is from isn't that interesting What NBR, NPR Ebola woman? Ebola. Rebola. Ebola. Rebola. Rebolo. Rebolo. Oh that one! You're talking about the accent

13:24 Yeah, and he clipped a whole bunch. It's fun the way she says it is pretty Ebola Ebola Ebola that's my favorite That's what Ebola Ebola She has so many different ways of saying it to Ebola Ebola I like that one favorite that last night that one okay? Let me mark down you like the number one okay? I liked number This one I think is pretty good Ebola. That's a little too enthusiastic too much of everyone in the pool Let's go over there why we let's take a little little My trip here and different shoes one okay? Here, we got this is number 1 Ebola Okay, that's the one you like now. I like it number 2 3 bola now. No that's not good It's out remove that one. Here's number three ebola

14:14 Mmm has to anxious so no good. I don't like it you There's always a veto okay? Here's the next one or you pull like no that's just that's just completely wrong Here's the next one Ebola It's usable it's too nutty why I think Maybe if we just need it for some reason just pronounced differently every time keep it We'll keep that one around just in case three to choose no. We have two now when we jettisoned one We only have you limited native number three yeah, oh

14:51 No, yeah. I've done exactly what you wanted here's the next one people oh no that was nice below That's nothing it's nothing what is this? That's that was an outtake there was somebody with a bowl Might getting creative there all right almost again hmm This is I think the one I like Ebola It's kind of good Then we have this it is scary and wretched and miserable it is gross That's pretty good right that's a good one. Yes, we have to combine those all right so boo come on last person evergreen just to be used after like for example

15:38 Eleanor Holmes Norton speaks. Oh, yeah Ebola. Oh sorry it's a Rewind here we go Cuz I do have an Eleanor Holmes Norton comment okay? I'll have it queued up home Here's the last thing I had from her there has not been a lot of money coming in no Okay So to finalize we have three clips now that we are going to deem appropriate We have Ebola your favorites as my beer is a winner then mine Ebola Ebola Which is everyone in the pool, and then it's scary and wretched and miserable. It is gross Ebola Yeah By the way I know where she's from she She's not from Buffalo She's clearly a gray

16:24 It's not an actual human being she's an alien that could be yeah, we'll just go with that so it's One I'm just choosing the ones we need one and then the what is this planet money clip Ebola 5 Okay alright 1-5 and scary. Okay got it all right That in the pocket well there's also a little thing. I don't know I'm just gonna play this clip because it's It's as if the three powers that seem to be involved in this, the UK, the United States and France... And let's... Where is Germany? Where is China? Where are all these other countries on this deal. Why are these...? Oh it's coming! Don't worry, it's coming just as they've been circled through yet. Well you decide to start giving things up and this is the backdoor invasion clip

CHAPTER 04 / 27 Discussion

Ebola Hoax Theories, Lack of Visual Evidence

Skepticism regarding the severity of the Ebola outbreak grows as observers note a lack of graphic visual evidence, such as bodies in the streets or mass graves, compared to other international conflicts. Comparisons are drawn between the high-quality footage of Middle Eastern conflicts and the seemingly staged or low-budget appearance of Ebola response teams wearing basic rain gear instead of professional hazmat suits. The discussion questions whether the crisis is being exaggerated for psychological effect or political maneuvering.

ebola· media skepticism· hazmat suits· crisis management· propaganda

17:17 Is that your setup? Yeah, we should identify patients that are potentially developing a dreadful disease from those who once again only one half of the patients die. So that means you have minor That's not a minor onset of Ebola. By the way, that's right there that minor onset thing is interesting I want to talk about it and those don't require such a big Take care if i may say so. That brings us back to a point that Katerina Vitosi touched on a short while ago. Katarina you were talking a little bit about the fact that The UN has set up this command center

17:59 for West Africa, but what we're seeing on the ground is that Liberia which was founded by freed U.S slaves well they're getting the US military to come in The French are setting up field hospitals in Guinea a former French colony The British are helping out in Sierra Leone so projects such as these treatment centers I suppose they're not getting the same kind of voice according to which nation you're in Absolutely and I think what the UNMEA mission has set out to do is really act as an enabler. That means they're not going to go into these countries and set up and run treatment centres or community care centres but what they are going to do is provide even simple things like petrol so that

18:46 Hmm. I did not know that Liberia was set up by former slaves Oh, yeah That's why it was the Liberians like it was a liberty or something some derivative of the word What happened with them? Why did they what happened where'd they get the French from French don't they speak French in Liberia? I think they speak English mostly at it The French are most of Africa but I don't know that Liberia is one of those countries Okay But the French, they got their place in Guinea. And then the British took Sierra Leone and we got Liberia for no apparent reason I mean it was... We were allies for a long time but this seems to me that's like they're divvying up

19:27 Oh, it's a re-divification is what you're saying. Yeah, re-divifications going on... No I've noticed this too You guys take that part we'll take this part which can only mean the re-divification of the spoils of the country What about Germany? They'd be left out of this! Ya know Something's up with this. That's very telling to me that Germany is not mentioned in the same breath as these sorts of clips. But historically, in Africa, Germany has never had the stronghold. In fact we've gone down there and... No, no that's no true! We kicked Rommel's ass who got all those efforts out? No but they had a number of colonies before World War I Okay yes you're right 100 years ago Well when was our colony?!

20:18 Never. Have you taken a look at the we own everything right now? That's all ours colony colony We're too smart for that well, we were Johnny come lately as we would have done it if we could yeah Hmm I find the whole thing to be well Germany. Yeah, but did let's go over this little thing this guy said oh The Germany thing will shake out. There's different, you can get kind of a mild case of Ebola he is kind of hinting at now there are some thinking that there were two Americans who got it initially brought to Atlanta and the woman never had it in the first place all she had was malaria. I think she just had the vapors. So she's not... Stop John! We just went from 80 people to 100 people!

21:12 Oh, is there... did they change it to 100? We've gone to a hundred people now who could have been- Wow. ...who were doing the show It's in the... so people who have had contact with people who are three degrees removed from Kevin Bacon They can have Ebola and must be monitored! Okay we'll monitor them She may have had malaria and that whole thing was bogative Right We don't know for sure Or if it wasn't that, it had to be one of these mild cases because she says she never vomited and you have to... vomiting is very common. In fact, you wouldn't have Ebola without it because you're bleeding your stomach and throwing up the blood. It's one of the benefits of Ebola as you get to throw up.

21:52 I wasn't ready. Sorry, and then that's your cue? No, I said I'm sorry. I wasn't ready and I feel stupid now but i'll have it ready. I'll have it ready just during the whole show Now did I bring this up on election day? I'm sorry Yeah, I wanted to which is the third person that got a bow american Help help health care person got a bowl and they shipped him to buffalo or someplace. I'm not sure where uh Does anybody think it's kind of strange that these experts Getting it get out without getting catching the disease. I thought these are the experts John this is a I will just say as close to a hoax as we can get what I'm missing what I'm missing again Just like what we're doing with Isis ISIL IS You know yes, I see the jet fighter stock footage yeah, I see that the ICBM of the

22:48 I see the missiles, the cruise missiles from the ship. Yes, I keep seeing the uvex ski masks with the garbage bag hat not even real hazmat suits it's like your yellow rain slicker right? It's boots does not look you know, great at all. Certainly not for the hundreds of millions of dollars and thousands of combat troops who I also have no video...no pictures, no video! I've seen some kid and they're giving it water behind a fence Where is the footage? Where are the bodies dead in the street? Where are the graves? There's none of this It's just none of this This is now being created in your mind And I'm not seeing it

23:34 Am I rude or am I insensitive for asking to see a little bit of evidence? We can see Palestinian kids dead. Well, this is the...I think there is evidence that they're not showing and but the problem with my comment just right there They showed the Palestinian kids. So why are they showing that? Yes, show a bunch of dead kids in Palestine from the bombings from these evil Israelis but they don't show anything else I mean that's where you've got a stranglehold on the concept that you're trying to push Well Are we seeing one thing and not the other Yeah

CHAPTER 05 / 27 Discussion

Holly Williams CBS Report, ISIS Propaganda and Airstrikes

CBS News correspondent Holly Williams reports from the front lines in Syria, where Kurdish forces are engaged in combat with ISIS. The reporting is criticized for appearing staged, particularly a segment where Williams crouches behind a chicken-wire fence while the cameraman remains standing. The narrative emphasizes that U.S. airstrikes are insufficient and that Kurdish fighters, including female soldiers, urgently require heavy weaponry to prevent ISIS from targeting Europe and the United States.

holly williams· cbs news· isis· syria· kurdish forces· airstrikes· propaganda

24:20 But they're not saying, oh it's so horrific we can't show it to you. They just don't...there is no footage! The footage is no there! This is my problem." Well, we do get some sort of reports I do have if were gonna go right into that topic. Sure, but might as well deal with this now. I've got Holly Williams! We might as well deal with this now because I could be dead by Sunday It could happen yeah all over Texas. I'd be dead That'll change it into the red state Holly Williams, let's start with this. Holly Williams lays it on thick. The ISIS capital and a terrorist training camp. Holly Williams got inside Syria with Kurdish forces fighting ISIS on the ground. Wait a minute...this is about Ebola? No no I thought we're transitioning to the war in... Oh but i'm sorry okay yeah fine that's good that's good. Now set this up a little bit because you said she stopped it

25:19 So Holly Williams, who we were... I think is a jihad about this woman as the next Laura Logan or Lara Logan. Right you really like her butt and she shows it off in Arabic countries But i'm more concerned about these bogus reports. I mean I just see this all as fiction the way she's presenting stuff She used to be and I followed her did a little research She used to be at ABC as the foreign correspondent, but she never got any airtime. She was always with somebody else or doing...so they've given her the go-ahead to make up these stories and believe me you watch this and this is so...you remember when there were some flooding in the Midwest? And there's a great clip that went around YouTube where a guy is in a boat

26:08 Yeah, and some guy walks behind him. And a guy walks behind him? Yes of course yes. Well this is what I'm seeing with this woman. Ah okay hit it here? Yeah hit it. Williams got inside Syria with Kurdish forces fighting ISIS on the ground Let me ask you does she have a scarf on her head No, this time in this report she's wearing a bulletproof vest that actually doesn't look bulletproof. Does it look good on her? It looks good on her yeah she's not you know she's kind of flat but you know she's pretty and she has a helmet the funny thing about this helmet is like

26:50 It's like a World War I helmet. You know, it's kind of a half-helmet. Like a Kaiser Wilhelm? Yeah, it was kind of...it's like a helmet that is not...It's more stylish than helmet Nice of course yeah, I'm trying to see if I can find a picture of her wearing this helmet. That's funny I want to see that we crossed the river Tigris into Syria by any bus and in under an hour Our convoy came under fire Okay, stop. Our convoy came under fire. Another guy is the convoy and the cameraman and they have her and the other guy running with the camera man following and running footage so that he's catching all this there is not a gunshot five miles away she is not under fire John we are under fire just at this very moment this podcast is under fire

27:50 Okay, it sounds good. I hear a bird somewhere tweet do you hear the bird? They shot it Cars just came under fire as we were driving along that road now this way here This part of it, you should back up just a little bit because she's talking like this. She has to be quiet for some unknown reason. Well yeah she could get killed at any moment by ISIS. The cameraman by the way... Because of the eye levels that you could tell the camera was about 5 feet so the cameraman is standing up and shooting.

28:32 I'm sorry. And she is crouched down next to a fence that is chicken wire, the chicken wire fence so this fences are going to protect nobody from anything you know but she's protected chickens. So wait, so she's sheltering behind a chicken wire fence? Yes, she's all crouched down and the camera shooting her from above She's got the microphone, she goes, oh I gotta be quiet when i get this report because I can get killed. So of course this is how we analyze television The cameraman is standing there like a big target with a big thing on his shoulder

29:11 pointing down at her crouching behind the chicken wire. Okay, I've got it. I've got it. Our cars just came under fire as we were driving along that road over there. We've taken shelter in this village Mahmoudin ISIS positions are about a mile in that direction and they're trying to capture the village but commander Omran Hussain is still here and he led us to safety. Hussein has 40 soldiers. Stop for a second So since they don't want to have a lot of different shots and there's a vehicle that they obviously have to return to, they come running the two of them here her and this guy.

29:51 come running the same way and that same thing where they were running away from because they're under fire. Now, they're coming running back the other way is nonsense but anyway so she comes out and interviews the guy and now the rest of this in this the rest of this clip there's another clip which is the propaganda that apparently the US State Department has told them to put insert to insert it was a great week with you know I'd let me take this opportunity right now John To remind everybody, we are living in a world where the Smith-Mundt Act which was the law that forbade the American government from using propaganda on its own citizens was overturned.

30:30 And therefore, we are seeing this type of actual real propaganda gooblesque being bestowed upon. Gooblesque? It's like exactly what it is and I want to...I should let's mention the readers that Adam and I have talked about this and we've We're going to make it very clear that the Smith-Muntt Act is at play in all these stories because its so obvious when you take a look at the news reports, they are attempting to brainwash the public and I think they are doing a fair job of it with certain members of the public like the old women. Oh! They're doing a great job of it? Are you kidding me?!

31:13 Yeah, they're doing a good job. That's why the polls have switched so drastically for an invasion of this place But here's the propaganda here at B. The whole thing is propaganda piece, but yours I say one thing about this I had a guy over here the other day Surgeon used to be a neurosurgeon and then he got smart He does anesthesiology, but he did me he seen people bleed out. He seemed bloody some gore guts everything 20 years a surgeon And is a very, you know he's a decent guy. I said hey have you ever looked at these videos? The beheading videos like no, no, no...I don't want to go see that. He said shall i show it to you and here's the guy who was seeing blood and gore in the top of people heads exploded because of aneurysms No man I really don't want to see it This is how good it is Sorry He never watched? No! Nah, he wouldn't even believe me

32:09 Wow. Yeah, I know He'd have been irked if he watched! Yeah But he said they did discuss it in the OR the next day It's kind of funny Yeah nobody there watched either Can you imagine? If you've got an aneurysm and they're talking about Curry & Dvorak while they're operating on you This is not a good thing Okay, here comes the sales pitch. This is all propaganda but here's the pitch. The pitch begins with the rest of this clip and then the next clip. Ten of them are women some of them teenagers. It's not enough the commander told us but they're all I have Are your female soldiers good fighters?

32:50 difference between the men and the women, he said. Some of the women are better fighters than I am." At just 19 years old, Akina Akin is already battle-hardened. ISIS has kidnapped women we hear many reports of them raping women, of them forcing women to marry their commanders. Are you frightened about what might happen if your captured? I'm not afraid, she told us. I'll blow myself up before I let them catch me." The fighters in Mahmoudin are Kurdish Syrians like ISIS they're Muslims but they practice a very different version of Islam. That's not the real Islam she said. I am Muslim too and there is nothing in the Quran about killing children and women

33:39 There you go, so we have established that women and children are being killed by these butchers not just that John They're also being beheaded Beheading little children yeah This is all part of this messaging. The message I think is very well done, but here's the sales...this is THE sales pitch that they wanted to get out on CBS, the primetime news. Here it comes. We don't think they're right ones she said. They're not effective since the airstrikes began she told us ISIS has become more mobile and its fighters no longer gather in large groups. Back on the front line, Commander Hussein agrees that the airstrikes haven't achieved much so far. Tell America we need weapons he said if we can't defeat ISIS their next target will be Europe and the US

34:33 The Kurdish fighters are managing to hold off ISIS in northeastern Syria and they're doing so mainly with light arms while ISIS has artillery and armored vehicles that it captured from the Iraqi military just over the border. In contrast Scott, the only Kurdish armored vehicle we saw was a homemade one that had been improvised from an old Sorry, I don't know where that came from. The tally was up So here's the messaging the messaging is air strikes aren't enough That's right not gonna work Well we need to give them money for weapons which get at which John McCain has been saying all along well Yes He's such a smart man

CHAPTER 06 / 27 Discussion

John McCain and Joe Lieberman, Counter Extremism Project

Senators John McCain and Joe Lieberman appear on Hannity to discuss the ongoing threat of ISIS and the need for a more aggressive military strategy. Lieberman introduces his involvement with the Counter Extremism Project, a new NGO focused on social media and disrupting terrorist recruitment. The discussion highlights the political pressure on the Obama administration to arm the Syrian opposition and the legalistic hurdles surrounding the formal declaration of war.

john mccain· joe lieberman· sean hannity· counter extremism project· syria· ngo

35:26 Yeah, and so John McCain cropped up Oh, yeah. I said where is he? We're scouring for him. Where is he yes well he cropped up on Hannity and showed up with Joe Lieberman oh no who's back in action and so I took a clip of this and it's little bit the Lieberman McCain is the first part of this clip and it introduces McCain doesn't talk until his second clip and then you don't know he's like completely insane and you know what he's talking about but all has to do with money But play Lieberman McCain and get a little taste of this. I did edit it down as best i could. Joining me now Arizona Senator John McCain, as well as former Connecticut senator Joe Lieberman who is now an advisory board member for the counter-extremism project Thank you both This is our first time on television together Is that true? John and me we talk to each other all the time Isn't it John and I

36:17 Technically? Yeah, you can say either one in this day and age. The point that he says there is the first time we've been on TV together where we talk all the time. Uh-huh yeah. Television together Is that true? John and me We talked to each other all the time First time on television together since I left the Senate So this is...I don't know if it's quite like Simon & Garfunkel getting together again Finally! We're here And we're gonna kill ya'll They ask you senator Lieberman no shock and awe no boots on the ground. We're not at war with ISIS The Islamic State is not Islamic He was warned for a year about Isis misses his briefings for, you know 67% of the time by the way I'm pretty sure Sean Hannity is also talking all the time with both of them from the way it sounds yeah What do you make of this? Well, you know the statements you just citing Sean to me are really disappointing because they come after

37:13 a really pretty good strong speech by President Obama at the United Nations in which he took some positions that he had not taken for the previous years recognizing the broader threat of militant Islam, violent Islam coming from the Muslim community finally doing what John and I had been asking him to do for Three years which is to give weapons to the Syrian opposition to fight The butcher Assad in Damascus and talking about cutting off funding for the terrorist groups and developing social media to try to Convince young Muslims not to join them, which is what this counter extremism Extremism project that I'm involved with has got to do now So when he goes on there does a 60 minutes interview on some of the others wait this counter-extremism project

37:59 Yes, he's one of the advisors of this thing. Is it a non-profit? It's an NGO? Yeah I believe so. Let's take a look at it man. What is the name of it? Probably counterextremism dot org or it could be The Extremist Project Global Platform to Enhance Basin Analysis. This This group what's a very extreme? Extremism calm really and it is essentially to create a social media It's what Hillary was doing. Oh, techno experts? Yeah, techno experts. Let me see who is the leadership... Mark Wallace, Frances Townsend! Okay. And look at that Photoshop job she needs to talk to somebody. She actually is prettier than you. Yes I know it's horrible. Who else do we have here? Elliot Abrams. Frances Townsend That's your giveaway. Bing bing bing

38:59 We knew more about him, he's probably a bigger giveaway but we don't. Elliot Abrams? Lieberman... Let me just see do they have... Is it not-for-profit nonpartisan? Yeah The counter extremism project so the question is have they already filed that probably seems like this group would've been around for a long time already No I think there was Johnny come lately as they use the term twice now It's okay i'll let you slide on that People always ask me, where do you find... Do not go to the IRS to find a Form 990. They make it really impossible to find anything. Go to GuideStar.org and you need to have an account if you really want all the... Here it is! Wait a minute so The Counter Extremism Project

39:50 Hmm brings up the Institute for War and Peace reporting which... Oh, the Institute for War and Peace isn't that one of the Kagan operations? This can't be right. The counter why does it come up as that? That's very interesting Okay we'll have to look into this We'll find out Look into it This is a- I already like the website I like the leadership It's great Mission statement What do they do Usually the way to find you You hit donate Right This is a trick I use You go to donate And then you look for... if they don't have a PayPal, they're using PeerX the social giving platform. So every bit of your money goes to PeerX the social giving platform This is disgusting A-holes Okay I'll work on that and let's listen to the rest of this That's dumb

40:44 Well, sometimes when you go to the donate page is when you can find out where the money's going because it's not going directly. Because people should only get so many PayPal accounts until they run out of... Also often these are projects of some other foundation. Some other operation. Yeah, we can't really find this here your donation will rally... We've got to find out where this is coming from. And says some of the things you cite, it undercuts that and we are at war he himself said it's this is gonna last beyond... Why isn't it a session? I don't know maybe maybe he's concerned legalistically that if he says were in a war then what does legalistically? What is that? Ball craft words! Legalistically Beyond why isn't it a session? I don't know

41:33 Maybe he's concerned legalistically that if he says we're in a war, then the Congress has to authorize whatever it does. But you gotta... Yeah of course that what is... It's all about legality! That's the whole reason why he did not go into Syria We didn't I'm sorry WE did not go into Syria or bomb Syria previously because LEGALISTICALLY The President was advised against this As we know this is the number one thing brought out by John F Kerry He said, hey I don't care what else you're talking about. But we have the...legally we've got it all cleared away." That's what it's about legally does not need to go to Congress and they have some stuff about that in a moment but you've got your second McCain clip. All right let's skip to the second part of this which is McCain then McCain hasn't changed just the same old tub thumping about sending arms over to the Free Syrian whatever

42:30 It's a bigger problem. Get him to ISIS! I'm sorry? Yeah, get him to ISIS. It is a bigger problem here with this president This uh... The dog ate my homework routine is getting a little tiresome it started for six years with BIOB blame it on Bush and now the JV has turned into more than... has been turned in the Super Bowl contestants He does not fails to realize that it is his policies and decisions that led us where we are. When Ryan Crocker yesterday, the most respected diplomat that I know of said yes we could have left a stabilizing force behind these brave Americans had stabilized the situation in Iraq ISIS was nothing when the president United States announced that we were going to withdraw everybody from Iraq

43:21 And by the way, if he does what he says he's going to in Afghanistan you'll see the same movie and that is just disgraceful. Okay can I take the baton? Oh i wish you would okay so of course McCain is continuously politicizing this which someone needs to call him on But of course, that's really what these things are used for in many cases. Ben as far as we're concerned the end game of this minor amount of money this minor initially minor setup which of course is it's a big sales job... Setup is the right word

CHAPTER 07 / 27 Discussion

Theresa May, UK Extremism Disruption Orders

UK Home Secretary Theresa May proposes new "Extremism Disruption Orders" (EDOs) to grant the government power to ban groups that promote hatred, even if they stay within current legal limits. May warns that ISIL is attempting to establish a "terrorist state" within a few hours' flight of Britain and could eventually acquire chemical or nuclear weapons. Critics argue these measures represent a significant encroachment on freedom of speech and expression in the United Kingdom.

theresa may· united kingdom· isil· civil liberties· extremism disruption orders· terrorism

43:58 is to remove Assad from power, which was always the idea. Which is directly related to having a United Nations Security Council resolution which we now have, which we could never get before because the Russians vetoed and this is really about screwing Putin because of the port and the transit of resources through that port, which they own on the coast of Syria. The politicization of this is very interesting, particularly as it relates to Gitmo Nation East the United Kingdoms or United Kingdoms. The Home Secretary Theresa May has now spoken about new powers that need to come into play and this is very important we have these new power because of course there's a

44:55 There's a caliphate afoot. So the Home Secretary will be introducing banning orders for extremist groups which would make it a criminal offense to be a member of or raise funds for group that spreads and promotes hatred, the maximum sentence could be up to 10 years in prison and the new orders will part of the government's prevent strategy which tackles the ideology behind terrorist threats, the so-called hate preachers who currently stay just within the limits of terrorism legislation And it will be one of the banning orders. In fact, the actual term is Extremism Disruption Order, an EDO

45:33 and I have a sub analysis on what this will mean specifically, but it is a complete encroachment on the freedom to express and speak in the United Kingdom where already it has brought into question if watching the beheading videos by itself just the act of watching the videos could be deemed to be illegal. Oh! I like that... And I would like Uh, let you hear her little speech where she's riling everybody up. Getting all pumped up! She's good at it I will add and then i'll give you a little analysis of these orders which have not been put into place yet but that will come Yeah Unum is all about benefits What is this crap? I'm sorry somehow my... Sounded like a breakfast cereal commercial Now looks like I got the commercial and not just her Sorry about that how did that happen That was dumb

46:25 Uh, sometimes this is from the Telegraph website. That's why somehow yes we should stand up for human rights Yes We should support friendly states and moderate elements within other states Yes, we should provide humanitarian support when wars are fought But we have to disentangle our own national interest From the struggle that is going on in the Middle East and across the Muslim world That judgment will sometimes be difficult to make But in the case of ISIL, the danger is clear.

47:01 They have already murdered British and American citizens in the most brutal and cowardly manner possible. They have attracted tens of thousands of foreign fighters, including thousands of Europeans, Americans, Australians and British nationals." How did it go from 3 thousand to tens of thousand? Oh, it's 10... why not just say 50 or 100 thousand? It'll be a hundred thousand by the end of the month John! This is just bullcrap. And by the way I don't see any evidence of this. Where are the...I see 10, 20 guys in some trucks Doesn't matter Listen to her build up It's a good crescendo One of their terrorists has already struck in Europe when he murdered four innocent civilians outside the Jewish Museum in Brussels This is complete fabrication No evidence whatsoever This has just become a talking point meme

47:54 There is no actual connection that I have seen. No, there's no connection it was just a random nut job earlier this year and they have made clear that they want to go on attacking Western targets That is why it is right that we are part of the international coalition dedicated to ISIL's destruction If ISIL succeeded in firmly consolidating their grip on the land they occupy in Syria and Iraq we will see the world's first truly terrorist state established within a few hours flying time of our country. Which as we've discussed, John would be desirable because then we can say okay terrorist state your estate weird we declare war on you

48:45 I've said this a number of times on the show is that the big fear was...or the big complaint amongst the military strategists was asynchronous warfare, where you'd have these groups, stateless, stateless groups coming in from God knows where and then picking at it with small attacks now and again. A state-based terrorist group is exactly what you said? Identifiable? Declare warable? Just a couple hours flight from here. Couple hours flight, you don't even have to... We know where it is! Just one or two Passover... Yeah then we say... He has to give me the okay they will this time. Yeah be saying hey dudes don't threaten us we'll come and bomb your state all right but for some reason

49:32 No, this dangerous group which doesn't have a Navy. This dangerous group that not only doesn't have an Air Force but when they capture the airfield they can't fly they don't know how to you can just jump I can't jump in an F-16 and take off like could probably take off no trust me if you could not even take off now I betcha I could take all I bet she couldn't so I Don't think I could even take off with no training on f-16. No, no, that's No, it's not gonna happen. Just go! You don't even have to press- Where is the starter button? Nah you get that thing going and take off and then you're done. And just crash

50:09 Or maybe a crash at the end of the runway. Yeah, fine. Fine. But you know... Make the thing move? Let's listen to the rest of it! Whatever they can't even do that but there is some dangerous operation They're gonna come and kill everybody they're gonna attack Europe next like what was that last guy You know the guy that was in the propaganda piece from Holly Williams says oh, you know if we don't stop them now They're going to be attacking Europe and then you guys are the US you're gonna get you're gonna come over All right Onward with the, uh... I speak to no end. I goaded you into it that's what i wanted to hear We will see terrorists given the space to plot attacks against us train their men and women and devise new methods to kill indiscriminately New methods? Is there a method to kill indiscriminately? Well, there is new methods. I thought its just indiscriminate!

51:00 How do you, it seems to make no sense to have a method for indiscriminate. It doesn't make sense. Chopping people's heads off in public just on the street. Right down the street with a machete screaming? Yeah! Just hey everybody! Hey! On the rock bar! We will see the risk often prophesied but thank God not yet fulfilled that with the capability of a state behind them the terrorists could acquire chemical biological or even nuclear weapons Really lady you think you have any thoughts on the possibility that they have these meetings when they come up with this stuff Yeah, I'm going to tell you exactly what the meeting is in 38 seconds. Okay go pins to attack us This is not somebody else's battle They have made clear their ambitions and they have made us Their enemies and the lesson of history tells us that when our enemies say they want to attack us They mean it

CHAPTER 08 / 27 Discussion

CNN ISIS Recruitment Analysis, Social Media Tactics

CNN broadcasts a segment detailing how ISIS uses social media platforms like Ask.fm and Twitter to recruit Western youth by appearing "approachable." The report features a former Taliban recruiter who explains that militants post mundane photos of food and video games to normalize their lifestyle. Analysts question the authenticity of these reports, suggesting they may be part of a broader government-led propaganda effort to justify increased surveillance.

cnn· isis· recruitment· ask.fm· social media· propaganda

52:06 We must not flinch. We must not shy away from our responsibility, we must not drift towards danger and insecurity while we still have the chance...we MUST act to destroy ISIL! Yeah So Theresa May announced that she will push for extremist disruption orders if her party is re-elected You see this conservative. Yeah, so this is what they do is here's the meeting We got a real problem these UKIP guys This is just we've gotta put the hammer down and we gotta pee make people so afraid of this shit And let's you know, it's the old George Bush strategy Absolutely absolutely It worked but my thing in at the meeting is

53:06 That's the meaning. You have a bunch of people sitting around and one reasonable person says, The public is not going to buy this! The logic isn't there? There is no logic that these guys are going to attack us They can barely get out their own way they're driving Toyotas How did they even get over here to attack us? The public is not gonna believe a word of this John...John...Hello the public believes all of this. That's the point, I'm saying i'm the reasonable guy okay that would be my commentary well this is and everybody else they there's seven other guys they start laughing out loud get back to your podcast old man you don't know what you're talking about we don't have to do any of that work

53:46 No, no. In fact here is how it's done in the United States This is a CNN explaining how the recruitment works and by the way They have a guy who claims to be a former recruiter For the Taliban in America, in this piece... Oh yeah. This guy he's on a lot of stuff I know who it is Well but he's come on they're just showing web pages Of so-called forums which clearly this guy Is managing on behalf of the government He did and oh yes I found these forums And this is how they recruit because that's how I used to do It but I'm a whistleblower and I can Bullshit! Favorite dessert? Answer ice cream On top of a hot apple pie

54:28 How do you maintain your beard? Shampoo, scented oils and a comb. Have you ever fallen in love?" The day I embraced Islam." These are the questions posed to an alleged ISIS recruiter on Ask.fm, a site that's popular among teens. Approachable to the curious, accessible to the masses... His tagline—I'm just like you! CNN cannot independently verify the man's identity. Duh! But terrorism analysts... Then what is it doing on television? What are you doing reporting on it? Yes, I agree that then you should do should then the rules of journalism state that you really can't do much with with that except what you just did now and now of course they're going to extrapolate

55:13 CNN cannot independently verify the man's identity, but terrorism analysts Move and Shake confirmed this man is likely an ISIS recruiter based on his social media presence. Okay so this terrorism recruiter former terrorism recruiter alleges likely he's a recruiter who is putting himself out there to some kid who just might be trawling. Trawling? Looking to see if he can cash in also on this little jihadi adventure that they all think they're on Sheikh would know. He's a former recruiter for the Taliban who later defected to work with Canadian intelligence Are you kidding me? This is insulting my intelligence Over the last few years he has been tracking ISIS tactics on Western social networks And all of this tracking, it's Twitter could be anything anybody anywhere from anything any who anyhow anyways! This is no proof people From a variety of recruiters

56:10 Collecting Instagram pictures like this one before it was removed. Get the owner of the Instagram account, track his IP address and go arrest him! No... no that would be too logical we can only find people who are committing copyright infringement those people we know how to find We don't know how to find these people I'd liken the ISIS fight to the video game Call of Duty. Yes, of course! Propaganda posters full of heavy arms And here it comes Tweets telling readers to put down the chicken wings and come to Jihad bro Come to jihad...bro Yeah this is how recruitment works John Hey! Hello Akbar come to jihad bro And then they show Posts that make them look like average guys playing Xbox Pictures of what they ate for dinner Now what do you see in that picture? What they ate for dinner

56:58 I don't know what. A big bowl of mac and cheese? No! Yes, a big bowl of mac and cheese On Ask.fm curious readers inquire about ISIS married life Do they own a house or get paid? You know if i join the jihad can i get out of this squalor that i live in here In the United States Can i get a house do i get paid Answer they're paid $700 per wife Give me five of them This is good this jihad is good Another asks if he could join even if he doesn't speak Arabic no problem in some of those answers, bro. You'll see a kick username Encouraging users to message on a private app as the process continues Some users are directed to more secure sites like this password-protected jihadi web forum Okay I can't take it anymore this is so so just incredible Can't can't take it can't take Wow that was a good one oh

CHAPTER 09 / 27 Discussion

Rear Admiral John Kirby, Pentagon Media Criticism

Pentagon spokesperson Rear Admiral John Kirby criticizes the media and the "Twitterati" for having unrealistic expectations regarding the speed of the military campaign against ISIS. Kirby describes the conflict as a "complicated, difficult cultural, religious, and geographic struggle" that cannot be solved by airstrikes alone. He urges "strategic patience" and dismisses the "shrill" nature of current news coverage.

john kirby· pentagon· department of defense· media· twitterati· airstrikes

57:54 It was almost a clip of the day material. So, the president went on 60 Minutes... It's so insulting! Actually before I go to the President on 60 Minutes here is Rear Admiral Kirby he's the spokeshole for the Pentagon and he got a little bit in everybody's face about the press corps not following along with the program the way he wants it to be He feels that the media is shrill and they're being unrealistic about the timelines. Again, we have heard this that it's going to... We're in for the long haul people! This could take years and years and hundreds of billions of dollars of your money

58:37 Because, let's face it. We just sold 1.75 billion dollars worth of stuff and other to Saudi Arabia! Ha ha ha ha! The sales job is working! We sold some Patriot... uh... I am sorry- yeah some missile defense uh... Patriot missiles. Iron Dome That's right No one said this would be easy or quick and no one should be lulled into a false sense of security by accurate air strikes Don't be lulled into a false sense of security I want you to be afraid. We will not, we cannot bomb them into obscurity Even as we share this sense of urgency about this group, we must also share a sense of strategic patience about this entire effort. And I think some of that has been lacking." — You know, you criticize the media for being shrill and hyperbolic— were you criticizing the established mainstream media or the blog world? The Twitterati out there who don't have any— they can just tweet whatever they want… — Listen to the disdain and arrogance of the press corps.

59:36 You're talking about the- The blog world and the Twitterati. How about the Podcasterati? I'm looking at you, Aaron Burnett! There's this immediate nature in the information environment today, which I completely understand given how information and data flies around so fast. Social media and all of it—I get that. But there's also this expectation of omnipotence by the United States military. What does omnipotence mean? All seeing, all knowing. And omniscience quite frankly to your question. What did he say? Be all end all. Omniscience. Yes it is kind of like omnipotent

1:00:29 This is this he uses these words to trick the bloggers and Twitterati because they don't understand these words. This is speaking in code. The United States military, and omniscience quite frankly to your question. Good word! And nothing is ever that perfect...and this is a complicated difficult cultural religious geographic struggle Wow! A difficult cultural geographic religious struggle? Who is this guy? John Kirby. He is Rear Admiral John Kirby Is that who's talking? Yes! Yeah, he's the spokeshole for the Pentagon I thought it was a guy asking a question No, this whole time this has been the admiral answering the question

1:01:10 When he's the a-hole. Yeah, talking about the omnipotence. The omniscience and the bloggers and the Twitterati and all these other... Well, the question was the Twitterati but he's answering this question. Difficult cultural religious geographic... Sounds like a kid! Well, he is quite young in your eyes maybe. This is a complicated difficult cultural religious geographic struggle. A complicated, difficult religious geographic struggle that we're facing here in Iraq and Syria? We're facing it's not going to be solved overnight and it's not going to be solved through bombs And it's not gonna solve be solved through anything other than a lot of hard work and time and effort working with partners on the ground people who actually know the culture and I think That that's what I was expressing just that there's this sense that well you've been

1:02:05 Dropping all these bombs, how come you haven't defeated these guys in the course of—you know, low these two to three months with 300 bombs? It's not going to be that simple. You're criticizing a public discussion and public reaction. Not criticizing me… I'm not criticizing that there is a public discussion. Right. I'm just simply saying that some of the coverage, I think has been needlessly shrill and the expectations have been, inappropriately high on what can be accomplished just through military power alone. Needlessly high! Yeah, this is the old... These guys are just they boots on the ground thing they just keep did I'm wondering who's gonna finally drop that bomb and say we're gonna have to go in? Oh well of course it's going to be Well i think there are people so there are people meeting certain buses as we speak right now

CHAPTER 10 / 27 Discussion

Barack Obama 60 Minutes Interview, Islam and Terrorism

President Barack Obama sits down with Steve Kroft on 60 Minutes to discuss the strategy against ISIL, describing the group as a "hybrid" of a terrorist network and an army. Obama reiterates that the United States is not at war with Islam, characterizing the religion as peaceful while acknowledging a "cancer" of extremism within the Muslim world. The interview is analyzed for its use of metaphors like "whack-a-mole" and the President's referral to terrorists as "folks."

barack obama· 60 minutes· steve kroft· islam· isil· terrorism

1:02:55 And did you see the 60 Minutes interview with the president? I saw part of it, but I figured you were going to catch this. I'm so happy because I was actually worried that you would have the same clips I would have now. You know, I went in another direction because I have what we'll hear later in the show, because I have a morbid fascination with people being reamed by Congress. Oh yeah, I know where you're doing OK good. I'm glad you got on that train Yes. Here is the president being interviewed by CBS 60 Minutes, this is... The 60 minutes interview Is considered to be a journalistic pinnacle Would you agree?

1:03:38 Look, I'm not asking you to analyze if it's really a journalistic pinnacle but let's just look at people believe what they hear on 60 Minutes. Now we know it's completely bullcrap certainly when they have that interview with the former NSA guy interviewing the NSA... Oh yeah that one was a beauty! Or Laura Logan in her phony reports All of this stuff So, here is the president talking about this being a war or not. ISIL represents sort of a hybrid of not just a terrorist network but one with territorial ambitions and some of the strategy and tactics of an army. This is not America against ISIL. This is America leading the international community to assist a country with whom we have a security partnership with to make sure that they

1:04:25 Are able to take care of their business. Okay, so it's not a war this is this is us leading the rest of the world because that's what we do and The most important thing for you to remember about these people Is this is not what Islam is all about? Yes They say Islamic State but it's if this isn't this This is not Islam now The human mind has a hard time understanding Processing a negative and keeping it in its mind if you say don't forget to do this You're gonna forget to do this. If you say remember to do this, you'll remember if you say ISIL is not Islam You're gonna remember it's Islam and also the whole name I saw is all Islam there we go What also has not changed? The kind of violent ideologically driven

1:05:17 extremism that has taken root in too much of the Muslim world. This week, in my speech to the United Nations General Assembly I made very clear we are not at war against Islam. Islam is a religion that preaches peace and the overwhelming majority of Muslims are peaceful but The overwhelming majority... let me just roll that back a second. Let me just hear this. The overwhelming majority of Muslims are peaceful. The overwhelming majority, is that the same as the 97% of climate scientists who have consensus about global warming?

1:05:55 I don't know. Is that so does that mean there's 3%? How many what if it's overwhelming, I don't know. I wonder myself how overwhelming could be it seems to me If you take a vote and you get and 65% of the people vote yes, I think that's an overwhelming majority. I'm going to go crazy. I'm gonna say 97%. That is, I believe the overwhelming descriptor has been used for the 97% of climate change scientists That would mean 3% of the Muslim world is nuts? Which is a huge number. I don't know, of a billion Muslims... Is that 300 million? Do I have that right? No it'd be 30 million. Oh well then what are we worried about?! But in the Muslim world right now there is cancer Cancer! You better get some cancer drug! That has grown for too long

1:06:52 that suggests that it is acceptable to kill innocent people who worship a different god. That kind of extremism, unfortunately... means that we're gonna see for some time the possibility that in a whole bunch of different countries. Whole bunch of different countries? Whoa, what countries could it be my country could it be your country please tell us which country radical groups may spring up particularly in countries that are still relatively fragile like where you have sectarian tensions like what where you don't have a strong state security apparatus and That's why what we have

1:07:29 what we have to do is rather than play whack-a-mole and send you as troops. Whack a mole, and send you... This is the president of America speaking. Whack a mole! I'm getting a little annoyed with all these metaphors and similes at him. Boots on the ground, whack a mole. Dog ate my homework In Holland we call it Jip & Janneke Tal which means Jack and Jill language Because the public is so stupid, we have to give them these metaphors and they may not be incorrect. It is very possible that at this point the disease of ignorance and narcissism an involuntary social networking disorder has kicked in And people do need to be jarred by hearing these types of things. Whack-em all! What? I know that game

1:08:25 Okay. And US troops, wherever this occurs we have to build strong partnerships and we have to get the international community to recognize this is a problem. We've got to get Arab and Muslim leaders to say very clearly these folks do not represent us. All right so there's a couple things in this Arab and Muslim leaders that noticing Arab and Muslim leaders Need to denounce these people so this also means just I mean if you were alive Casey Kasem would have to do this on his show. You know it's It's it's a very tall order and I find it discouraging for Any president to say these things? And then was the last bit he said oh, these folks

1:09:15 Folks, come on man. How can the wire? Why is ISIL now folks I don't like you know stick to your metaphors the folks is I'm a folk Hey folks how you doing everybody and now it's now I saw his folks This kid this must stop this president needs an intervention leaders to say very clearly These folks do not represent us. And these folks This is crazy, they do not represent Islam and to speak out forcefully against them Okay now here's what I was going to get too earlier the I believe that someone got Someone met the bus

CHAPTER 11 / 27 Discussion

Intelligence Failures, James Clapper and ISIS Rise

During his 60 Minutes interview, President Obama attributes the rapid rise of ISIS to an intelligence failure, specifically citing Director of National Intelligence James Clapper. The President suggests the U.S. underestimated the situation in Syria while overestimating the capability of the Iraqi army to defend itself. This public finger-pointing highlights tensions between the White House and the intelligence community regarding accountability for the regional security collapse.

james clapper· barack obama· intelligence· syria· iraqi army

1:10:01 I don't like the expression thrown under the bus, but if ever... Met the bus. I liked he met the bus. Thrown under the bus we had to find a substitute for it. Well i like saying he met the bus Well, he met the bus means you could have gotten on the bus. He met the bus with his face! How's that? The bus may have been standing still... Well let's see who met the bus. How did they end up where they are in control of so much territory was that a complete surprise to you well I think our head of the intelligence community Jim Clapper has acknowledged it Wait a minute Did he just blame it on Clapper?! Oh yeah

1:10:44 Hello, clapper face meat bus! I think they underestimated what had been taking place in Syria. He didn't just say that we underestimated... Now this is interesting now Steve from CBS Comes to clappers defense in a way. I think CBS has turned to uh, I think they're Siding with the intelligence group in this little battle going on and this particular battle between Obama and whose fault is it? Yeah This is totally in and Steve is protecting Clapper and you'll hear the president go boy. Yeah, I noticed this too He didn't say that just say that

1:11:28 We underestimated ISIL. So the president said that Clapper said we underestimated all this and Steve is saying ho, ho, ho, ho That's not what he said Say that...we underestimated ISIL He said we overestimated the- In fact, he said the opposite! He said we overestimated... We overestimated the ability and will of our allies. The Iraqi army to fight That's true That's absolutely true I'm sorry I was trying to throw the guy under the bus which we needed another metaphor for Disgusting That the president and he's weak. He's weak is week there He was very weak because of this yes, I got me nailed him when you go up damn it busted You should have done that all you got me both. Yeah, if I really busted alright Of all the things we know about the extremists The aisles these folks

1:12:29 One of the main things we keep hearing over and over again is that they are recruited via social media, they have read what we heard the other day. Opened a newspaper, read the Quran...it seems pretty much they've all read the Quran They live and they live and kill and die by the Quran. They come over from this 10,000 just from Liverpool alone... Tens of thousands! Yet the president says- They have now created an environment in which young men are more concerned whether they're Shia or Sunni rather than whether they are getting a good education or whether they are able to you know have a good job

1:13:15 Many of them are poor, many of them are illiterate and therefore more subject to the... I'm sorry. Many of them are illiterate? But how do they read the Quran and how did they get recruited through social media and... Oh! How does that work? I'll give you a 10 on that catch. They all read the Quran and their illiterate! How does that work?! Wow, that was a good one And then of course oh shoot. Oh you're proud of yourself on that catch I am it happened again everything just did this quit thing just dropped dead on ya now, but it's still there You better check your machine now the machine is good and I think we're still streaming Let me just wait for a second to see if this comes back It was very strange how why that happens? I'm not sure it's all of a sudden well the system with edit didn't

CHAPTER 12 / 27 Discussion

American Exceptionalism, Obama's "That's How We Roll" Gaffe

President Obama asserts American global leadership by citing U.S. responses to disasters in Haiti and the Philippines, concluding with the phrase "That's how we roll." The White House later emphasized this phrase in a promotional email sent by Dan Pfeiffer. However, a review of the raw footage reveals the President initially stumbled, saying "That's how we go" before correcting himself, leading to a discussion on the use of "street" slang in presidential rhetoric.

barack obama· dan pfeiffer· exceptionalism· haiti· philippines· gaffe

1:14:05 What's that? A little analysis there. The system couldn't control it somehow, right here. Okay now my favorite bit which was even the subject of an email the White House they had the emails ready to go they were all set for this day where they were so like yes we're gonna put this in and everyone will America will be yeah And he flubbed the line. to the contact. It looks like once again we are leading the operation, we are carrying most of the West... Steve that's always the case. That's always the case. America leads! Yes We-We-We Are The Indispensable Nation The Indispensible Nation Write it down everybody when you see me You will think that man right there is an American He is from

1:15:13 The nation known as the indispensable nation. Don't try to get rid of us! We have capacity no one else has? We have capacity you cannot even touch?! Our military is the best in the history of the world. Forget the Romans, Hannibal any of those guys screw it Genghis Khan booyah! And when trouble comes up anywhere in the world they don't call Beijing Don't call Beijing They don't call Moscow Don't call Moscow They call us They call us That's that's that's the deal I mean it looks like we are doing 90% Steve? How about a Steve you sit back in your seat Steve

1:15:52 I'm gonna lay some smack on you, boy. There is not an issue... When there's a typhoon in the Philippines take a look at whose helping the Philippines So that China doesn't come in and take the turf? Deal with that situation when there was an earthquake in Haiti take a look at Who's leading the charge making sure Haiti can rebuild? And get cholera, and still be living in tents pooping their guts out. The Clintons have all these great hotels and we've got the tourism going and people are still dying in Haiti... Who is taking charge of that?! It's us baby! That's how we roll. That's how we roll! Finally yes! That's how we roll. That's how we roll.

1:16:42 Love it. And he flubs the line. That's how we roll. That's how we roll. Listen, do you think Ronald Reagan or John Wayne would go? We rolled you moron. The only thing you had to do that time, he wrote a little bit further But the whole... No, just where he says that's how we were all here just before that. Okay sure When there is an earthquake in Haiti take a look at Who's leading the charge making sure Haiti can rebuild? That's how we go. That's how we roll that's what you said, that's how we go I know but he flubbed the line Yeah, no says that's how we go and then he realized it was supposed to say that's how we rolled That's how we rolled. I know but a more didn't put that part in is you still didn't No, I'd know but I know I didn't put it in there. I like that part in there Okay Back it up. I didn't have that part of my in my out take that's how we roll Hold on

1:17:46 I could play the wrong one. I'm sorry here we go take a look at who's leading the charge making sure Haiti can rebuild that's how we go You're right, I'll reclip that for prosperity because that's dynamite That's how we go Personally yeah Now this is inside baseball for the listeners. No, no! This is very important I agree with you But personally I'd like to hear the whole flub Yeah Not just the stammering No, um...I understand what you're saying So hold on a second Because we're gonna be using this over and over again I believe that's the case Okay Hold on Let me just uh...so I'll go into my editing program

1:18:33 And it's here, I think. Who is leading the charge making sure Haiti can rebuild? That's how we go... That's how we roll. Okay. Terrible! Let me take this. Hold on let me take this In its entirety with the minute with a little flub at the beginning and then the stammering Yeah let me try again. In its entirety He must have lost sleep over this. He probably dropped about six points on his golf game This is, this is truly a mistake This is really not good Okay I think I've clipped it here let me see if I got it here That's how we go- that's how we roll Got it Nailed it So that is Yeah that's it exactly It's astonishing! I didn't see that And then and then we have this email that came out The title of the from Dan Pfeiffer Subject... THAT'S HOW WE ROLL

1:19:28 Hey, this is how they open up John. Hey last week at the United Nations President Obama laid out a forceful case yada yada yada yada The United States is leading an international coalition in the fight to degrade and ultimately destroy ISIL, to counter Russia... comma! To counter Russian aggression in Ukraine. But notice again putting Russia and ISIL at the same spot. And to contain and combat the Ebola epidemic in West Africa as the president said on Sunday night that's how we roll No no Dan uh I'm sorry Dan Pfeiffer

1:20:06 That is not actually what the president said. He said... That's how we go, that's how we roll! That's what he said. Now I want to give that little sub clip the Clip of The Day Well Okay Just have too. There's nothing better than that Uh okay no I don't know I know iIdon't have anything better so let's do a combo then Do a combo since it is Clip Of The Day We'll put it together and.. That's how we go uh that's how we roll And that's a true clip. It's not like just the clip, it's a clip. Not only is that a clip and that's the story. That's the story. So of course I cannot believe this guy is the president! There isn't need for rescue mission when world is threatened and needs help, he calls on America

1:21:10 And that's the story. That's how we roll He is the anti-hero, the anti superhero but this is not how our presidents are supposed to roll people And you shouldn't even... that term is borderline street art, Gott. But as you can tell- It's low end material! They're proud of it they put it in their newsletter they love so much Yes thats how we roll That is crap and not only that but its old That phrase is what? 10 years old Well I looked this up Its a douchebag phrase Well its also a call back to 9 11

1:21:49 Flight 93, let's roll. Believe me they were thinking this John...they were thinking this is how you show American heroism and because where else has I looked around? Where else has this come from that's how we roll term what i found in most recent memory was flight 93 where apparently the before it was before the plane had crashed the passengers were storming the cockpit and said, let's roll. You recall how that went? Yes I well supposedly yeah and then they were shot down. That's what Rumsfeld says. Rumsfeld said they were shot down. Yeah so he was quoting Rumsfeld i don't know what happened at all it could a whole thing could have been a fiction He was only the secretary of defense but what does he know

CHAPTER 13 / 27 Discussion

No Agenda Executive Producer Credits, Value for Value

The hosts acknowledge the financial support of the "No Agenda" community through the "Value for Value" model, reading notes from executive and associate executive producers. Significant donations from producers like Travis Benelli, Christopher Dolan, and David Foley are highlighted. The segment includes the "knighting" of new supporters and a discussion of the "Art Generator" tool used by listeners to create show covers.

donation· knighthood· value for value· karma· crowdfunding· podcasting

1:22:49 So I found this very, very disturbing and then I do want to read because another number that is just popping up continuously is this how many nations are in the coalition? Well the numbers now up to 60. Okay but strangely no one really ever talks about you know it's Arab nations and no one really explained exactly Who's doing what would you like a little rundown? I have no yeah, I've been all ears. I mean let's do it after its short a little segue to a greeting You mean something like In the morning to you John C. Dvorak well, I wasn't expected anything expecting anything so dramatic but

1:23:43 In the morning to you Adam, Curry also in the morning to all ships that see boots on the ground feeding air subs in the water and all of the dames and knights out there. And in the morning too all our human resources in the chat room yeah your right John thanks for calling me making do that it's time. NodeGenestream.com good to see everybody there we'll have more fun stuff for y'all thank you very much to Joe Wagner who brought us the artwork for episode 656 And I did want to mention that it's a little annoying that people are posting artwork in future episodes on the Art Generator, noagendaartgenerator.com because what invariably happens is other people come in they accidentally put their artwork into the future episode and its confusing and looks ugly and I'd like you all to stop it

1:24:35 What do you think, John? Yeah I know if you feel that way i'm fine with it. As far as I was concerned just gonna fix itself but... ...I don't see any evidence of that. I'm just thinking it would. Which is why I wanted to bring it up that it should fix itself and this yes you can do episode 666 for special anniversary things but really just put it in the current one yeah just 666 the only one should be an advanced you know what we're going to talk about No. In fact, you don't know what the news is going to be for that next... I could be dead by Sunday from Ebola! Yeah, it could be. It's possible. You're right there. You're right next of the epidemic. 200 miles away. It is scary and wretched and miserable. It is gross

1:25:19 Let's thank a few of the executive, associate executive producers. We do have a good group today because we have another... I think we're having a lot at the end-of-the year Insta nights. Yeah this is cool! And this is Travis Benelli who from Escondido California. He said he gave us 999.99, but I think you're supposed to throw in a penny if somebody does that. There it is! Big time! So that would make $1,000 dollars but he has... well let me read. Uh, I wanted it become an instant night but felt it more important to hear my favorite clip 9-9-9 as many times as Adam will play it. Would you play it again? Yeah of course I'll play it again! If 99.999 sufficed I'd like to be known as Sir Upper Decker

1:26:06 Sir Upperdecker. Yeah, Sir Upperdecker. Now which I think refers to a seating in a baseball game but not sure what he's referring to. Why don't you play it one more time? This is wonderful! Any of the Beatles number nine thing that'd be thrown in there? Number 9? Thank You Travis It was very nice and generous That's all I got. I actually was going to go look for the clip, it is in Revolution 9. It is at the very end of my buried poem. Number nine Christopher Dolan in Berlin Connecticut 34567 one of my all-time favorite donation numbers and it is

1:26:56 I'm sorry, let me go to the note. Thank you for your best podcast in the universe. You too provide a level of media analysis that cannot be obtained anywhere else. Please accept this contribution for value for value...of value for value as confirmation that you don't have to be a slave to advertisers." Like others it would also be much appreciated if you could give me a shot of karma as I'm hoping to move shortly Absolutely, and thank you Christopher. Yeah, that's true this is he must be at night by now They didn't say was I don't recall but okay And we definitely need you to alert us to your yes shot of karma Yes indeed You've got Karma and now

1:27:47 David Foley And again, 34567 from Los Gatos California in the morning. Gentlemen from Lost Wages after having a great meeting with another No Agenda producers I think either me, one guy or other Nora Jenner. Well, I hooked her up with Dame Angela in Vegas. You hooked him up? You hooked her up with him? Yes! Sorry. I was inspired to learn about the next generation of NOAA Gender listeners being hit in the mouth. Please credit the enclosed donation towards The Knighthood Of Jose Gonzalez of Las Vegas, I guess. Okay... So Jose has to keep track of all this stuff

1:28:46 Bras Bruininks in Voorst sent Noah from the Netherlands at 34567, by the way this is the first time we've had three of these. Yeah this is good! This is very good He has no note I couldn't find a note I looked him up I looked up his email address and did everything I could you have a note from him? I'm having a look right now and I do not see This is interesting. Hold on a second, how do I spell this? Is it with a B-R-U-I or Y? B R U I N I N People here we go boss Yes, I do have ah Here it is hi Adam can you tell John there's no note with my donation Perfect

1:29:37 That's that's that's getting punked right there. I was fine Good one boss Okay, good one. Yes the death the Dutch sense of humor In a nutshell gotta love them Joe Wagner 333 33 parts unknown you both have been on a roll these past few shows and I thoroughly enjoyed John's epic rant on the last Thursday show. I don't know what epic rant that was, I'll be needing some job karma and i'm hoping a producer credit will send...will sex up my LinkedIn profile a bit which it will oh yeah if it's not too much to ask can I get two to the head bingo boom shaka laka regular

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1:31:49 Are we dead yet from the Fukushima radiation because I just can't find any more news about it. I'm so dismayed that there's no more news and I had my iodine and everything, I'm ready to go is That's one mother I got it. You've got karma. He wants to eat me in the morning, God, it got it. Got it! That's a good one. That is a good one. I like it. Thanks for Richard Moffitt in Milwaukee, Wisconsin. He sent a check with no note but on the check, the twos on September 22nd which was what he dated it 2014 were all in boldface

1:32:33 It's code. There is some sort of code, whatever the case was Richard who has donated before I don't think he is a knight yet 22222 cutting edge solutions in Scotland and Glasgow 222 again only without the twenty two cents one question that would like discussed as why ISIS ISIL IS or whatever they've been called never attacked Israel I'm not a crazy conspiracy guy who tries to blame the Jews or damn evil Rothschild bankers, who don't even own the Central Bank of England despite all the ludicrous claims that they do. But this is a question that is troubling me! Maybe I am one of the crazy conspiracy guys after all, or I would not be asking the question." I'm putting you in the conspiracy corner my friend.

1:33:18 I think he makes a good point. Yeah, it's about time that they should be attacking Israel maybe it's because Israel has actual weapons yeah they might kill them yes it would be a problem or maybe who knows all right here we go with Howard Brown in Houston Texas who sent in a note Because we went back and forth, I mean we're going back and forth about Cranky Geeks. He sends me a note, you know, I want Cranky Geeks back." I said, We're not doing Cranky Geeks. Cranky Geeks was a money loser," And I said... We never get into it. A history of our careers John. I said it was a money loser. We had no support and we had no listener support. It wasn't very low.

1:34:03 There was no support. I said that's the same thing that could happen to No Agenda if we don't get support from people like you! Yeah Now, I was...you know, I don't normally solicit It was this-I saw the email it was not a-this is more like a This is not a solicitation email You were pissed off It was a guilt trip email. It was designed to get solicitations. I donated it to the show after that email and he sent it to money. It's not as though, you know...I have no...you know...I can't arouse people to help us so he donated after complaining and so he sends a complaint note. Clearly I'm slightly drunk considering the typos in previous emails. I did send $201 donation

1:34:48 And then he cusses me out. And then in the previous note, he says well such is life about not putting cranky geeks back on the air and it kind of plastered so I would slur a little bit. Plaster? Bleh! Yeah, I'll donate now nonetheless if this show cancels oh well you made a real impact in my life I appreciate your commentary at least I have to admit at the beginning of No Agenda, I did enjoy listening to you all's experience in life more than the political bullcrap. Not to say that it is not needed or appreciated but after a while it just began to get pissed at everything and how fucked up it is and I decided no longer wanted to pay attention. Stop! We have the half-brother of the Ebola victim now live on CNN

1:35:35 What's he got to do with anything? Obviously, it is not your fault. At the very least, I would like to let you know that what you say and not experience education opinion is highly valuable. And yes, I will donate even though it does end up...even if no agenda fails which it's not about the fail. It's likely to fail anymore. So you can donate and just help us along. We appreciate that. Yeah. And we appreciate the note. By the way, you should feel a lot better once you donate at especially $200 level because now your

1:36:11 Whatever we do you want to listen more now, and you were helping. You know get the truth out is essentially all I can say Just really really yeah, that's what I said Basingstoke. I have it marked down as a one Basingstoke UK I looked and looked and looked and looked and looked no note from Justin is GX2. Yeah, Justin GX. He's just happy with what we do I guess yeah No, he's happy with the product then he's long-term supporter long Very good guy Adrian sprung by the way I think we're hooking him up with thinking of with them with our Japanese contingent Oh cool believe he's taking his key gonna go to Japan and do this thing yeah with this kid? I think I don't know what's going on Anyway

1:37:02 Adriaan Spronk in Zwolle. You don't have to puke, just Adriaan Spronk in Zwolle. There you go! John asked for new donors. Here I am first time donating $200 Please de-douche bag me need some earth ship building karma Oh, all right He's building an Earthship very good will deduce and give you some time You've been D douched Finally, I can't... Hold on. Karma. Don't step on the karma. Slippery! Also, whoops also Glenn Malcolm in Singapore $200 and there's no note from him and if he wants to send a note in later. I looked and looked and looked now one of the things I want to mention that people when they don't send a note in for whatever reason I don't think everyone needs to send a note in

1:37:58 I do look to see if there's a note that came in through email, and I do it by looking up the PayPal account seeing what their email is because many times it doesn't include their name so I just can't look up Malcolm and find out what the email is and search that way. So we do work here at this show. Okay? That would conclude our... 657, which is an interesting number of donors segment for show 657. And I want to remind people we do have a show coming up on Sunday which will need support and it's Dvorak dot org slash NA channel Dvorak dot com slash NA no agenda show dot com and NoAgendaNation dot com both have buttons you can click on then get to a donate page which is backup page. We also have some PR mentions today be no agenda karma app has been updated received a note from the

1:38:49 the producer or the developer. I want to let you know, I made an update to the application that was known as No Agenda Karma Generator. Pleased to say it's a complete overhaul and while i'm sure there's plenty of room for improvement but I think this has moved in the right direction. I'd like to mention that Donna Hatton Donna Donna Donna Donna gave me a hand importing the no agenda search and I was pulling my hair out trying to get it to work seems like a good guy gave him credit in the app we love all of this particularly when developers are working together and Dave Jones our Our producer and developer of the Freedom Controller, he's coming up with something pretty interesting in the next few months. I'll just say months so he doesn't get freaked out but i think you should probably get it done sooner. Next week!

CHAPTER 14 / 27 Discussion

C-SPAN Caller Matt, Gardasil Vaccine Warning

A "No Agenda" producer named Matt successfully calls into C-SPAN's Washington Journal to promote the podcast and raise concerns about the Gardasil vaccine. Matt cites a former Merck doctor who predicted the vaccine would become a major medical scandal due to its alleged lack of effect on cervical cancer. The hosts praise the tactic of calling the "Democrat line" to bypass traditional screening and encourage other listeners to propagate the show's formula on public access television.

c-span· gardasil· merck· vaccine· cervical cancer· activism

1:39:31 Which I'm very excited about. We've been working on the Freedom Controller for a long time, and I think the next evolution may be interesting for the producers And then this note from producer Matt Hey Adam & John In the morning i can't always donate money but I can donate advertising space on C-SPAN I recently moved from Sparks, Reno Nevada to Boca Raton which now gives me the great opportunity and advantage to plug no agenda. Just this morning Wednesday October 1st at 9 58 a.m., i got through on the democrat line that talk about ex-merc doctor's opinion on Gardasil. I unfortunately forgot the IT admin stumbled around a bit but it felt like an amateur but...I'll get on top of it next time And of course I'd like uh like to play that for you This is We Need More Of This

1:40:15 And I really like the video of it, which you'll find in the show notes at 657.noagendanotes.com or from archive.noagendanotes.com. I love the hostess on this she's so cute and she looks so flummoxed when this happens. But there it is, and it was right before a congressional hearing. So we might have had 20 people watching. So in the Wall Street Journal you can take a look at that. Matt Boca Raton, Florida Democratic caller. Hi Matt! Hi I was calling to speak about how many lives are losing in nature and stuff but I was calling about the vaccines

1:40:55 comment and then you're talking about women's rights and We were talking about Merck there is an article from former Merck doctor that he was predicting Gardasil become the greatest medical scandal Listen to the no agenda show And she makes his fit like like complete vapid blank stare. What is this guy? Never heard of us and what are they talking about from what he understands that basically it's going to be one of the biggest scandals because they're gonna find out over time that this vaccine both technically and scientifically

1:41:32 has no absolute, there has absolutely no effect on cervical cancer. Okay we will have to leave it there our last for open comments this morning happening now up on Capitol Hill. All right so good job Matt and I would recommend... Sounds like a typical call-in guy for that C-SPAN So what he did right is he called the Democrat line because you know they never expect the kooks to come through on the Democrat or the Independent line So that's the right thing to do. It is just some tips, but I'm very happy thank you very much with some tips would be obviously start within the morning in the morning and you can write stuff down it may be helpful writing it down is not bad and probably

1:42:16 get right to the promo by saying, I was listening to the no agenda show with and you could then you could use our names if you want. It's not important to me, but I was listening to the Noah gender show best podcast in the universe. You could throw in there just for extra for extra points. And then you can also say have you heard of it? Or you can say, I think you listened to a two don't you yeah that would be even fun. That's good too and that's good sales. Yeah. And then after that it doesn't matter what you say In fact, it's better if you just go I'm sorry. I forgot what i was gonna say than just hang out that would be great All right Please remember to go out there and continue to do the one thing is propagate our formula on c-span Our formula is this We go out we hit people in the mouth And she will all surrender to them you pigs can hear me

CHAPTER 15 / 27 Discussion

Kurt Vonnegut's "Harrison Bergeron", Media Desensitization

A summary of Kurt Vonnegut's short story "Harrison Bergeron" serves as a metaphor for the current state of media and government control. The story depicts a future where the government enforces total equality by physically and mentally handicapping the gifted. The hosts argue that modern society is being "zapped" by constant media impulses, preventing people from reacting to the truth even when it is presented directly on television.

kurt vonnegut· harrison bergeron· equality· satire· media analysis

1:43:30 That's how we roll. Jeez, this is the most astonishing thing ever! Did you...you probably didn't but I'll ask anyway did you read the Vonnegut story that i talked about on the last show? No not yet no oh because it really shows and it's a five minute read for you it seriously is it really shows where we are right now just briefly i'll just give it away so you don't have to please don't even spend five minutes of your day it'll take me 30 seconds what's the name of it again You caught me it's a Harold the Bergeron or something Yeah, I think it's Harold the bergeron Read it on my yeah we live in a world

1:44:14 where everybody's equal and we are equal because the government forces smarter people to wear an earpiece that periodically will go to confuse your brain so you can't think and can't react. People who are nimble in sports, people they have to wear weight belts this world... It's like handicapping a horse race. Yes, and this world comes together in a televised performance of ballerinas and these ballerina have been you know they're trying to be ballerinas but they're wearing huge weight belts and they're clunky but of course there is some huge fat ballerina who doesn't need that so everybody is equal and then some radical guy comes in and he rips off his

1:44:56 his earpiece. Oh no! And he throws off his weight belt, this is kind of like a John Galt-esque type character and then one ballerina throws off her weight belt and they're so enlightened by everything they can actually fly up to the...they can jump so high that they jump up to the ceiling in their studio and they're embracing and saying look everybody, look And then the woman, like a Teresa May who's in charge of the home security comes in and with a double barrel shotgun shoots them both out of the sky. The story surrounds this husband and wife who are watching this at home while this takes place on television. The guy is wearing one these earpieces he gets a bzzz-bzzz-bzzz and his wife says well did something just happen on TV? He says I don't know it must

1:45:43 must have been good because they really zapped me good with the earpiece. So the moral of the story is this is where we're at right now, is you can... The truth can even be told on television and were being so zapped by so many different impulses and systems." Well that's I think what our show proves! Yes yes! We find these truthful things constantly they're all over the place and we bring them onto Podcasts we have the clips and they hear people telling the truth and correcting themselves And then we analyze things that were looking to the backgrounds of Websites that have all these onerous characters always the same kind of this usual Suspects, we do all that. Mm-hmm and you know a few people that listen to our show There's quite a few listening to our show but even they will drift away

1:46:34 like this fellow to hear that I sent a note in, he says. I was getting too depressed at the reality so I stopped listening and there you go and how's that work out for you? We're talking about food we used to talk more about mundane items but this is...we actually...I think... Well we also went through it once in awhile but don't you..I think this is more entertaining It's, I believe it's more...it's entertaining to use our life experience and just age. I think is very appropriate to look back at where things came from which yeah you know the cynical will say, oh man but these are interesting things for certainly people who are younger than us and then you can learn something

CHAPTER 16 / 27 Discussion

October Awareness Months, Cybersecurity and Health

The arrival of October brings a multitude of federally recognized awareness months, including National Breast Cancer Awareness, National Disability Employment Awareness, and National Substance Abuse Prevention. The hosts specifically highlight National Cybersecurity Awareness Month, noting the irony of having so many competing causes sharing the same thirty-day window.

october· breast cancer awareness· cybersecurity· disability employment· presidential proclamation

1:47:23 But yes, all of this is now taking place right before our very eyes and we are helping you see through all this. And I do want to go down the list of this month...we have a new month October. We have several presidential proclamations. This is one of our favorite topics on the show, I say. And I believe that we missed October 1st was a big deal! You mean Kale Month? Kale Day? Yes, Kale Day. But that was not by presidential proclamations! Oh that was just by the kale association... Yeah. Okay well that doesn't count. Well Rachel Ray did celebrate I'm screwed. I'm not going to play that clip up maybe if we have time left over, I'll play my kid. She's yeah it always sounds two sheets to the wind so there's a lot of things going on and whenever we have an uh um a month for awareness and of course as we've discovered it's you know no single issue gets the month

1:48:19 This is just... there's too many things going on in our world. They have to share the month of October, and October really is besides it being Oktoberfest It's also RUBRUBRUBRUBRUBRUBRUBRUBRUBRUBRUBRUBRUBRUBRUBRUBRUBRUBRUBRUBRUBRUBRUBRUBRUBRUBRUBRUBRUBRUBRUBRUBRUBRUBRUBRUBRUBRUBRUBRUBRUBRUBRUBRUBRUBRUBRUBRUBRUBRUBRUBRUBRUBRUBRUBRUBRUBRUBRUBRUBRUBRUB That came perfectly timed, didn't it? With our NFL... Yeah that's an odd coincidence. It happens! It is also National Disability Employment Awareness Month If you're disabled or out of job we are aware of you. We are aware of you! It is National Breast Cancer Awareness Month It is National Substance Abuse Prevention month

1:49:19 This is a big one. That should be its own month by itself, but I would think... Is National Arts and Humanities Month? We just shoved that in with everything else. Not even sure what it's about though. So I think STEM gets us a whole month but arts and humanities has to share with cripples and breast cancer. Thanks! And wife beaters and then finally in this of course my favorite it is national cyber security awareness month everybody yeah Cyber-cyber you know that could mean anything could happen at any moment, huh?

CHAPTER 17 / 27 Discussion

Syria Policy Retrospective, John Kerry's 2013 Gaffe

A retrospective look at the Obama administration's Syria policy focuses on the term "degrade" and a pivotal 2013 moment involving Secretary of State John Kerry. Kerry had offhandedly suggested that Bashar al-Assad could avoid airstrikes by turning over his chemical weapons, a "rhetorical" comment that was unexpectedly accepted by Russia and Syria. This sequence of events effectively stalled U.S. military intervention at the time, forcing a diplomatic cleanup by the State Department.

john kerry· syria· chemical weapons· bashar al-assad· russia· diplomacy

1:49:56 Did you still want to go through the coalition, uh whatever that what everyone's doing? Yeah first I wanted to play a kind of a side trip clip. Yeah sure man. I'm hearing Obama and Obama going on and on about degrading ISIS degrading ISIS and it always bugged me The degradation yeah they do well this is just a whole phrase so i start digging through the archives I love this. So over a year ago, over one year ago There's this and this is the clip blinkin part zero they hint mm-hmm We hear senators McCain and Graham saying in their conversation with the president he's talking about degrading the capability

1:50:35 the Assad regime. That's going a step farther, isn't it? What does that mean to degrade? So Judy there are two things going on here that are important understand first with regard to The underlying conflict in Syria There's been a civil war going on as you know And we've been working very hard to end that war and we think the best way to do it is through a negotiated transition That moves Assad out through a political process. In order to do that, we've got to get him to the negotiating table and that involves in part putting the pressure on him isolating him and building up uh...the opposition which we've been doing over the uh...in recent months." Slow clap on the green for that one Mr. Dvorak! How best from a year ago you said? It was from over a year ago. Good work! So it is indeed about Assad

1:51:26 That's why the word is on his brain, because they're going to degrade, degrade, degrade. Now they can't get rid of the word! But it's about Assad. Now if you want to go back to a walk down memory lane I have two more clips which are just personally find to be hilarious These are the two clips from again over a year ago where we're gonna degrade Assad but meanwhile this idiot Kerry comes up and makes a proposal just off the top of his head which everyone picks up on. This is where he suggested, well we probably wouldn't be this adamant if they'd just get rid of these chemical weapons remember this right?

1:52:06 No. This was over, this was in early part of September of 2013 and the clip here is the two clips in a row you want PBS litany regarding Carrie Part One and then PBS Part Three A Mess those are the two clips for this era During a stop in London, and he insisted any US action would be very small scale. We're not going to war. We will not have people at risk in that way That is exactly what we're talking about doing unbelievably small limited kind of effort. Kerry went on to say there is a way that Assad could prevent an attack

1:52:48 He can turn over every single bit of his chemical weapons to the international community in the next week. Turn it over, all of it! without delay and allow a full and total accounting for that. But he isn't about to do it." In short order, UN Secretary-General Ban Ki Moon joined in calling for Syria to hand over its chemical arsenal Russia, Syria's ally endorsed the idea as well Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov We also call on the Syrian leadership not only to put chemical weapons storage facilities under international control, but also to destroy them afterwards. And even Syria's foreign minister visiting Moscow quickly agreed

1:53:33 I declare that Syria welcomes the Russian proposal out of concern for the lives of the Syrian people, the security of our country and because it believes in the wisdom of the Russian leadership that seeks to avert American aggression against our people. In Washington, initially US officials past and present voiced interest and skepticism. Yeah that was kind of annoying that he actually did that Well this was his mistake And then of course the second clip here is they're trying to clean up the mess That Kerry made by just you know This is... The guys are like this They just said something stupid Just to be cute And next thing you know The whole thing falls apart We don't get to bomb them or anything But here's the cleanup

CHAPTER 18 / 27 Discussion

Global Coalition Against ISIS, International Contributions List

An examination of the 60-nation coalition against ISIS reveals a wide disparity in actual military contributions. While countries like Saudi Arabia and the UAE participate in airstrikes, others provide minimal aid, such as Estonia sending machine gun cartridges and the Netherlands providing 1,000 helmets. The list highlights Germany's contribution of paratroopers for training and the UK's "gift" of weapons, while questioning the inclusion of nations that are only providing small financial donations or humanitarian blankets.

coalition· isis· germany· france· saudi arabia· military aid

1:54:18 hours later a surprising clarification. A senior official traveling with Kerry said the secretary's remarks had been rhetorical and not intended as a serious proposal He's a moron. Yeah, love it. Anyway that was... I caught that while I was looking for the other one. That's good. So here is the list of these 60 which no one names all 60 and the president talks about Belgium big deal So I'll give you a list. Iraq, and so this is the allies and what they're providing. Iraq location of the fighting authorized France to use Iraqi airspace so they've authorized airspace and welcome the support from Obama this is very good the Iraqi government requested military airstrikes so that's all they're doing

1:55:11 This is from the Washington Post. Yeah, this is from direct on the State Department They're not fighting yet. So if you rock it's just saying yes their contribution is requesting us to do something they sent a memo they sent them okay into interoffice request Jordan has destroyed a number of Islamic State targets through air strikes in Syria, unspecified. And Jordan has also worked to cut off funding to extremist and terrorist organizations. Bahrain carried out air strikes against the Islamic State in Syria in tandem with the allies which meant I think they fly on the back seat...in tandem

1:55:53 That would be right. Saudi Arabia participated in airstrikes in Syria, Saudi Arabia has frequently condemned the Islamic State and donated $100 million to the United States Counterterrorism Center, 500 million in humanitarian assistance and as we know today they just purchased 1.75 billion dollars of other... Okay well those guys at least are doing something. Well they have too because they're on deck United Arab Emirates participated in airstrikes in Syria, whatever that means. The UAE has joined together with other Gulf nations to condemn the Islamic State and offer support to the coalition Those guys are no good!

1:56:34 France bombed a warehouse occupied by the Islamic State in Iraq last week. Wow, they bombed the warehouse! Good for them In Iraq One of the United States' key allies in the air The French Air Force has also carried out recon flights over Iraq and has vowed to take part in future air strikes if needed To date France sent 59 tons of humanitarian cargo to Erbil Really? Erbil is a huge, beautiful city. It's probably maids uniforms for the hotels We have the laundry French Laundry Germany! Here we go

1:57:19 Germany, have you asked John? Germany. Yes Has sent 40 paratroopers to Iraq Ooh 40 To provide weapons training to Kurdish fighters They're also sending 16 thousand assault rifles Are these German assault rifles By Rugers, maybe. Hundreds of anti-tank weapons and armored vehicles Some Kurdish fighters are also being trained in South Germany This is interesting That's actually doing something at least They will provide enough weapons to arm 4,000 Kurdish soldiers as well as 36 tons of humanitarian aid Canada

1:58:02 has deployed, quote, several dozen members of the... Thank you Canada! After all 36 of them. All in Canada has sent $15 million to support security measures in the region. What is that for? For backstage pass printing, 15 million dollars? Insult Canada! You're not really part of the coalition this way... Oh I'm sorry that was 10 million of non-lethal assistance and 5 million of humanitarian aid That seems like very little for Canada United Kingdom has supplied our arms to the Kurds and a Royal Air Force squadron has contributed to surveillance operations. They gifted, gifted 1.6 million dollars of weapons and ammunition! That's like five rockets which I will point out the brimstone missiles that are on the RAF jets are being highlighted everywhere. I believe they are the counterpart to the Hellfire

1:59:07 Yeah, they're using this as promotional. That was big time promotional and their jets as well. They've got the...what are they? Are they flying Harrier jets? The Harriers are not in production anymore as far as I know And while i'm on this let me ask you a question why is it that there is such outrage about the term redskins in the United States of America, where the patent trademark office has said this is no longer...you can no longer use this as a trademark. It's not protected. I believe the FCC was talking about perhaps making it a verboten word on the airwaves and of course the... Right while the N-word still okay?

1:59:52 That's one part, but I have more specifically they point to the fact that this term red skin was a bounty. The etymology of the origin of the word when if you had a red skin then you had skinned in Native American and taken his hide, and that was some bounty back in the Wild West. And they are outraged by this use of the term. There's nobody really out... no there is just a small group of people who are outraged making big fuss. A lot of this has to do with ownership of the team I don't want go down that path. I want ask you question Why is there no outrage over the militarization

2:00:37 of our American heritage by using tribe names for death machines. Apache, Blackhawk... Ooh I like it! Chinook! This is good, I like what you're doing here Come on! At what point is this okay? This-this is column material And and and then it's a real question It's a real question, I agree. What else do we have? A tomahawk! Oh yes, shooting a tamp tomahawk up your ass In other words our Native Americans are killers Killers I tell you

2:01:21 But nary a word is heard about this. If you're going to make people change the name of the team, then you should change the names all these killing machines The Blackhawk is not in use as a private helicopter To shuttle people to the Formula One racetrack No! It's a killing machine The Apache IS A GUNSHIP The Chinook is meant to carry killers IN ITS BELLY And the Tomahawk IS FIERY DEATH I'm sure there's more phrases we can think of if we spend a little time on it. Oh yeah, we'll come up with...

2:01:59 Huh, good one. Okay yeah but I digress on that yes you do but i liked it and as I took notes okay Australia has agreed to has agreed to deploy a military force to the region they've agreed they've also provided five million dollars Italy good old Italy 5 million Italy has sent 2.5 million of weaponry including machine guns and rocket propelled grenades thanks Italy The Czech Republic provided fighter jets and 500 tons of ammunition. Now, the Czech Republic is actually doing a lot it seems. Albania weapons and ammunition to Kurdish forces they will send 22 million rifle rounds very good The Netherlands 1,000 helmets! And 1000 bulletproof vests And they're gonna provide 6 F-16 fighter jets To strike the Islamic State in Iraq Not in Syria because that would anger the Russians who own the Dutch economy

2:02:55 Estonia a million machine gun cartridges. They send bullets, Estonia. Well they make bullets in some of these places yeah and $90,000 to support this split displaced Iraqis well that's 90 thousand dollars? That's a couple tenths Hungary, 7 million cartridges and thousands of mines and armored piercing shells. Oh that's great! Yeah put some landmines down people." Jeez nice work. And also a $90,000 aid package to Christians in Erbil Turkey President Erdogan has said he will quote give the necessary support to the operation more than 100 trucks... In other words nothing? Nothing 1.9 million dollars spent so far from Turkey

2:03:39 and they've also funded the construction of a camp for 20,000 Iraqi Turkmen. Belgium! The Ministry of Foreign Affairs has said we are positively inclined to contribute and we have the military capacity to do so. Belgium does have an interest to contribute. Hey Belgium you're not pulling your weight people Denmark provided a transport aircraft to support the international efforts I believe it was a Cessna 182 Lebanon The state will not send troops or weapons, but will receive military help to fight the organization through the army. Whatever that means... Then we have Sweden donated 13 million Kuwait donated 9.5 million to the United Nations Switzerland nine million Japan six million they got no money Austria sent 1.3 million New Zealand one million hey thanks New Zealand five eyes friend

2:04:35 Republic of Korea, 1 million. Ireland $300 000 to UNICEF Spain 640 000 dollars to the United Nations Human Rights Council They're not even fighting they're just sending money...just writing a check Slovakia 25 000 dollars to assist soldiers in the Kurdish region Norway did an aid drop 40 000 blankets Luxembourg you get the point there's not even 60 on this list They can't come up with 60 lies. Lies, I tell you it's all lies. That's what i wanted to hear is just lies! All right, I'm going to lead you into your clip bonanza and I'm going to do it with this news clip. The United States spends roughly 680 billion dollars on national security yet the federal department specifically calls

2:05:32 specifically created to prevent terrorist attacks is hemorrhaging employees, a mass exodus that seems to be compromising the country's ability to prevent emerging threats or cyberattacks. According to The Washington Post, the Department of Homeland Security is losing its staff due to a dysfunctional work environment, abysmal morale and the lure of private companies paying much more than the federal government." So how bad is the problem? Well, the department's terrorism intelligence arm has cycled through six directors during the Obama administration. Meanwhile, the DHS agency created to enhance airport security is reportedly losing so many senior and junior personnel at such a fast rate that high-level security at airports is being significantly compromised. The parade of

CHAPTER 19 / 27 Discussion

DHS Employee Exodus, Michael Chertoff's "Shadow DHS"

The Department of Homeland Security (DHS) is reportedly facing a "leadership vacuum" as high-level employees flee the agency due to low morale and better pay in the private sector. Many former officials are joining the Chertoff Group, a consultancy led by former Secretary Michael Chertoff, which has been nicknamed "Shadow DHS." This mass exodus is said to be stalling key initiatives in cybersecurity and border security.

dhs· homeland security· michael chertoff· cybersecurity· bureaucracy

2:04:35 Republic of Korea, 1 million. Ireland $300 000 to UNICEF Spain 640 000 dollars to the United Nations Human Rights Council They're not even fighting they're just sending money...just writing a check Slovakia 25 000 dollars to assist soldiers in the Kurdish region Norway did an aid drop 40 000 blankets Luxembourg you get the point there's not even 60 on this list They can't come up with 60 lies. Lies, I tell you it's all lies. That's what i wanted to hear is just lies! All right, I'm going to lead you into your clip bonanza and I'm going to do it with this news clip. The United States spends roughly 680 billion dollars on national security yet the federal department specifically calls

2:05:32 specifically created to prevent terrorist attacks is hemorrhaging employees, a mass exodus that seems to be compromising the country's ability to prevent emerging threats or cyberattacks. According to The Washington Post, the Department of Homeland Security is losing its staff due to a dysfunctional work environment, abysmal morale and the lure of private companies paying much more than the federal government." So how bad is the problem? Well, the department's terrorism intelligence arm has cycled through six directors during the Obama administration. Meanwhile, the DHS agency created to enhance airport security is reportedly losing so many senior and junior personnel at such a fast rate that high-level security at airports is being significantly compromised. The parade of

2:06:25 level departures at DHS has been referred to as a leadership vacuum of alarming proportions. As a result, it's reportedly affected the slow rollout of key cybersecurity initiatives and stalled initiatives related to border security. Some are fleeing DHS over backward bureaucracy and inefficiency but others are just being lured by bigger paychecks at private security companies. the chair of group a consultancy group led by former DHS secretary Michael Chertoff has stolen so many employees from the federal government that it's been nicknamed shadow DHS. The problem at Homeland Security has gotten so bad

2:07:08 that the agency has reportedly retained a consultancy firm to help develop recommendations on how to improve morale. Unfortunately, these challenges come at a time when the U.S claims to be facing a new batch of potential threats from ISIS, Al Qaeda and other extremist groups." And I take this as a lot of good news I believe that there are a lot of people inside these organizations going, this is f'ed up. This is bull crap! I'm not protecting anything. I'm not doing anything productive. This is a big bureaucracy of bull crap." I think during the Napolitano era when she hired all her lesbian pals that were harassing the males...

2:07:53 that there's court cases about this, they're trying to dismiss left and right which we talked about on the show before. I think the same thing happened over at the Secret Service when they...this woman comes in 2008. And although we have no proof and it's not in her Wikipedia page, whenever you put Ms on your little name sign in front of Congress Well, I don't know whether she would... We don't know if she's a lesbian. She does have that Holly Hunter Jodie Foster kind of way of... Yeah plus 300 pounds are you kidding me? This is not Jodie Foster or Holly Hunter this is ridiculous! No, I'm talking about the voice

2:08:35 Hello. Oh, sorry yes it's a voice that they talk funny kind of through their teeth kind of thing and that the Holly hunter. They have a cadence a certain kind of cadence this woman has the exact same cadence I don't know what you're thinking i was talking about? I thought you were going on looks I'm sorry I'm sorry. And anyway, so...but I don't know and I don't care because she was just obviously brought in 2008 by Valerie Jarrett or whoever to become the general manager of the Secret Service. If you listen to her she's an obvious bean counter. She doesn't know anything about anything. Now hold on, hold on, hold on. She worked her way up through the ranks. She did...she was on security detail for Clinton and Bush. It seems so but we don't know it in real detail.

CHAPTER 20 / 27 Discussion

Julia Pierson Secret Service Hearing, White House Security Lapses

Secret Service Director Julia Pierson faces a contentious Congressional hearing following a security breach where an intruder, Omar Gonzalez, jumped the White House fence and reached the Green Room. Representatives Jason Chaffetz and Stephen Lynch grill Pierson over the agency's failure to provide accurate information and its lack of transparency regarding the intruder being armed with a knife. The hearing ultimately leads to Pierson's resignation as both parties express a total loss of confidence in her leadership.

julia pierson· secret service· jason chaffetz· white house· security breach

2:09:20 I think... Well, you don't have to say it because Eleanor Holmes Norton says it four later. I wanted to say one... Let's do these clips because I like these grillings. This was the thematic one in my opinion. This is ISA. This is Pearson versus ISA and this is an example of when a bureaucrat gets into office now the problem that she had just in advance of listening to her on this particular clip and some other clips You are, if you... I'm going to stop you for one second. But just need to set it up so people understand that because of the lapse in security at the White House we had this fence jumper and he got very far... And it turns out there was more incidents than just that. Many more incidents guns on elevators all kinds of things happening this is why she was called to account and she wasn't indeed brought

2:10:10 to fix the Secret Service after the prostitution scandal in South America, after the drunken guys in hotel rooms in The Netherlands. And I need to say one more thing... The number one job of the Secret Service is to stop counterfeit American money! This is not their number 1 job That's true. Now let's listen to what she has to say and why she was booted out I have a couple of clips that the exact clip why she was booted out, she was fired after this hearing but when you are...I'm just a little tip for you out there who will eventually perhaps If your lesbian? Is this is tip for lesbians? No no it is a tip for people giving testimony Oh okay The lesbian thing doesn't...I don't know what does got to do with anything Nothing! I just had to say it But

2:11:04 And you find out that both the Democrats and Republicans, I mean Cummins, the guy who's usually the loggerheads with ISA are both hating on this. And I have a theory about that for you later Well when you find this out and your giving testimony your approach is not to do what you're going to hear in this ISA clip You learn from our mistakes. Your approach is to apologize and apologize, and take the blame and apologize and apologize not to do what she does that's why she got fired but here we go. We learned from our mistakes The second question your agency

2:11:42 previously had reported and an indictment against Mr. Gonzalez asserted that he was arrested in that entry area isn't it true that he actually penetrated the cross hall, the east room and in fact was arrested in the vicinity of the green room? Referring to your map on the wall yes as I have been briefed The Mr. Gonzalez entered the front double doors... Ma'am, I want a short answer. I have very little time Was he in fact- the federal complaint said that he was apprehended in one place Isn't it true that he was apprehended further into the White House? As Mr. Gonzales entered the door He knocked back the officer who was standing at the doorway The officer then engaged Mr. Gonzalez They crossed the east entrance hall together

2:12:31 made the left turn down the cross hall. They stepped momentarily into the East Room, another officer rendered aid and he was placed on the ground on the carpet and handcuffed on the cross wall just outside of the Green Room. There is no indication at this time... So in fact the federal complaint in the earlier reports were not accurate? Is that correct? Yes or no, please. I think in the original complaint is accurate that mr. Gonzales scaled the fence ma'am hold it I have very little time and i'm not The American people want to know if there is a president safe? I want to know if we can rely on reports from your agency Yeah, and not so good

2:13:17 So she's, this is her whole style which is to talk slow and take up a lot of time and get nowhere. Now she... Which I think she learned from the IRS dude Well, the IRS dude is different. He's confrontational she's not and she also...and the IRS dude never had both sides. See there Democrats don't want the IRS scandal to really go anywhere so he has allies. She's got none! So she's playing this completely wrong but let's listen to Shafitz who is one of our favorite guys because it was very quotable and let's play

2:13:54 Let's do Pearson Schaefetz on press release. The Secret Service put out a statement, according to the... talked to the Associated Press I should say they reported that on September 20th at 124 AM Eastern Time Donovan, spokesperson Ed Donovan said the man appeared to be unarmed officers who spotted him climbing the fence and his search of the subject turned up no weapon Why would he say that there's no weapon? I will have to ask Mr. Donovan that question You haven't done that since the incident happened? I know when Mr. Gonzalez was placed into custody he was found to have a folded knife in his right front pants pocket Do you consider that a weapon? That is a weapon Why would the Secret Service put out an official press release saying, or put out a statement to The Associated Press Did you ever correct The Associated Press? Did you call them back and say you got that wrong

2:14:56 I have no knowledge of that. So you just let it linger out there, that there was no weapon? That was wrong, it was inaccurate correct? I do know that there has been a lot of information in this case and thats why we are doing a robust review. I can't speak for conversations that I wasnot apart off or the press's interest Did you read the press release before it went out? Do you agree that the officers showed tremendous restraint and discipline? You agreed with that comment. I do think based on the totality of the circumstances, and from Mr. Gonzalez's arrest That these officers did use restraint in making a very difficult decision as to whether deploy lethal force or subdue and arrest him

2:15:46 Do you think they responded appropriately? I do not think the security plan was properly executed and that is why i'm conducting a robust investigation to ensure that we have a comprehensive review of what people were...that I have the facts, all of the facts so I can make an assessment of what the decisions were on that night. You know she..I realize now she's dumb She's dumb. I think she is done, but here's what now the only reason I made all these clips and I want to play a few more because it's pretty funny because I went before...I didn't see the hearing when it happened so I went watch it the next day

2:16:24 But I did go to CBS, ABC and NBC's websites and they all had clips from this hearing. And all the clips from the hearing were her saying we've got to change things and we're going to fix it and it's gonna be great. They showed...they had none of this! Oh, of course not! Really? And I found it to be reprehensible to be honest about it. This is gold So let's go on with Pearson grilled by Chaffetz. This is actually what I think this is kind of a lot and this is not the yeah, but play that that's kind of funny my question to you as don't do those officers have your Authority to use lethal force To prevent somebody from entering the White House Those officers do have the authority to use independent judgment Do you leverage lethal force when appropriate? Is that true when somebody's trying to get at the president?

2:17:16 That is always true. They are law enforcement officers. So it's always true when there somebody trying to penetrate the White House that they can use lethal force? As appropriate within the compounds of the law. Is somebody try... explain the details of that if somebody is approaching the White House has penetrated the security making a run for the White House no apparent weapon, can they take that person down The law requires that law enforcement officers ensure that they are in imminent danger or others are in imminent danger before they can leverage lethal force. So if the person's running at the White House but no apparent weapon, they can or cannot use lethal force? Those are going to be independent decisions made by the officer based on the totality of the circumstances

2:18:12 How does an officer know if they have an improvised explosive device or dirty bomb, or if it's terrorists? Ebola! How do they know that? Shouldn't they assume that this person has ill intention. Law enforcement officers are trained in observation skills and I would assess that they were constantly looking at people for ill intentions. I think it's confusing this is part of what they have to deal with, they make a split-second decision. I want it to be crystal clear you make a run and dash into the White House we're gonna take you down! I want overwhelming force would you disagree with me?

2:18:51 I do want our officers and agents to execute appropriate force for anyone attempting to challenge or breach the White House. We gotta explore this further. She just, this is her now so let's go over to a Democrat and see how they're dealing with this should have been I mean besides Cummings being essentially saying she should be fired on some other show that this is a guy This is the congressman from Boston And this is Pearson Boston rep part one This is disgraceful. This is absolutely disgraceful that this has happened and I'm not even going to mention the fact that it took us four days to figure out that somebody had shot seven rounds into The White House. What? This is beyond the pale, and I've listened to your testimony very deliberately here this morning And I wish to God you

2:19:45 You protected the White House like you're protecting your reputation here today. I wish you spent that time and that effort to protect the American president and his family, like i'm hearing people covering for-for the lapses of the Secret Service on these several occasions. I really do So what are we gonna do? And look this whole thing is The United States Secret Service versus one mentally challenged man. And I need to point out here that we're pretty convinced that this and perhaps other near misses that have happened in the past when the president wasn't home, people shooting into the White House appeared to be messaging from the warring factions within Washington because whenever this happens other things like...we start to strike Syria the next day

2:20:48 So, there's a lot of agendas that may be at play here. But I was thinking just looking at the people involved... We still have Hillary wanting to make a run at the White House and we know that...I've stated that I think there has been a purging of the Secret Service to remove the elements who dislike her to such a degree that they would discredit her and keep holding the lesbian thing over her head. I'm thinking just by coincidence, here's this presumably...just looking at this Pearson woman maybe they are...maybe the Democrats want this too so they can clean some stuff up and make it have a clear one runway for Hillary with no

2:21:41 no entanglement with Secret Service and just get rid of all these people who are annoying. That's a possibility because they're going to...heads will roll after this woman leaves. Yes, big time. Not just her many heads will roll. Now first why she got into this position is another question and she's as you say she's a dummy that they put into the job. Besides apparently working through the ranks as a detail officer and I don't think she would qualify anymore she just seems physically unfit for the job So I don't know how long she was no longer active or if you can be...I think she's overweight. She's O2 overweight for the job of security detail. I don't see any people of her ilk and size in the security details, I've seen cut fit men and women so yes you have to ask why she was brought into this." Well anyway so The Boston Guy goes on let's skip that rest of that and go to The Boston Guy Part 2 because i've never seen this happen before

CHAPTER 21 / 27 Discussion

Secret Service Elevator Incident, Julia Pierson Resignation

The final blow to Julia Pierson's tenure as Secret Service Director involves a previously undisclosed incident where an armed private security contractor with a criminal record was allowed into an elevator with President Obama. Congressman Jason Chaffetz reveals that Pierson failed to brief the President on this breach, leading to accusations that she either neglected her duty or lied to Congress. Pierson resigned shortly after the hearing as the White House withdrew its support.

julia pierson· secret service· barack obama· jason chaffetz· armed convict

2:22:37 The Boston guy goes off the deep end with his complaining and then she doesn't answer because everyone's out of time. And so Issa asked her to answer, and she says something stupid... So the Boston guy just jumps in of course ice is not stopping and when he could if it was you know If there was actually some partisanship going on, but he didn't any let's do busing guy. Just go off on her What clip is this because I should be the Boston to Pearson congressman from Boston too Why don't I see this? Oh, I'm sorry. Sorry got it

2:23:17 the end try and name them the same if it's a one and two or four for the lapses of The Secret Service on these several occasions. I really do So what are we gonna? Do and look this whole thing is the United States Secret Service versus one Mentally challenged man, one man with mental illness that you knew had mental illness This is this is The Secret Service against one individual with mental illness.

2:23:55 And you lost. You lost and you had three shots at this guy, three chances so he was a retard but had three shots and you still lost what's wrong with your lady? He got to the green room in the White House The green room in the White House where there is a black man! What happened? Haven't we have that yet? Is it when they're racial shit going on yet? I'm missing that No no When you have a sophisticated organization with nefarious intent and resources going up against the Secret Service. Oh? Hold on, what did he just say there?!

2:24:33 He says if a guy, mentally challenged guy can go all the way into the White House to the Green Room. What happens if you have Specter? James Bond's enemy or some group that knows what they're doing trying to get in. ISIL! Yeah, ISIL. What happens when you have a sophisticated organization with nefarious intent and resources going up against the Secret Service? What happens then? The gentleman's time has expired, I think. But if the gentlelady has any answers to any of his questions, I'd appreciate hearing them Hey the green room! I've never heard of the green room in the White House It's painted green that's why it's called a green room but is it the green room for the stage? No no its painted green Let me be clear...the United States Secret Service does not take any of these incidents lightly

2:25:37 They are all of the street with all due respect. That's my point if as a casual observer to what has happened here I don't think the Secret Service is taking it their duty To protect the American president and his family at the White House, I don't think you're taking it seriously That's exactly my point based on the evidence based on the evidence and the series of lapses, unfortunately that's the conclusion that I arrive at. That you're not taking your job seriously. I'm sorry! I hate to be critical but we got a lot at stake here We have a lot at stake and i know people are dancing around this issue But I gotta call it like it is...I have very low confidence in the Secret Service under your leadership. I'm throwing away my challenge coin

2:26:28 Meanwhile, let's go to Eleanor Holmes Norton quick. Go ahead, we'll go to Mr. Norton. You're recognized for five minutes. Thank you, Mr Chairman and I want to thank Director Pearson for her 30 years of service in the Secret Service for rising through the ranks to become the first woman director And I am aware of what she has inherited and of her many accomplishments. Director Pearson, I want to ask you about the rumors that have been out there about what the Secret Service may do when Pennsylvania Avenue was closed down after Oklahoma City, there was a kind

2:27:17 Anyway, she goes on with some off-the-wall questions after complimenting her. She's the only one by the way It is scary and wretched and miserable it is gross So I got two more clips so here is the press secretary in the morning of the firing Apparently being hung out to dry on Morning Joe are you telling me this morning that the president United States? And the first lady have confidence in Julia Pearson to run an agency that supposed to protect their two daughters daughters? Yes, Joe. They have confidence in them for I think the reasons that i laid out these are men and women who wake up every day professionals prepared to put their life on the line. Am not talking about the professionals. I think the professionals actually deserve better leadership than they have. This is obviously a responsibility that she takes very seriously. I can tell you that the White House staff and the president himself take this very seriously. The President himself has articulated he's concerned about security around his family as any parent would be

2:28:13 So this idiot had to eat these words like a few hours later. Now here's the last clip I'm going to run, which is why she got fired. This was on The Kelly Show and Shavitz is on the show discussing this and it includes the clip of the moment that Shavitz set her up which was again not discussed on any of the media shows I've ever seen. Chavitz sets her up to lie. if his personal security is in any way, shape or form been breached? Percent of the time. 100% of the time we would advise the president You would advise the president Yes In calendar year 2014 how many times has that happened I have not briefed him with exception on one occasion for September 19th incident So... The only time you've briefed the president

2:29:27 perimeter security, the president's personal security uh... first family security has been one time in two thousand fourteen. Here is what she is hearing him say That's correct. Utah Congressman Jason Chaffetz is with me now, congressman and so I assume you established that she neglected to inform him he was in a locked box with the man who is convicted felon holding a gun on him? I knew about that incident but it wasn't yet out in the public. I wanted to see if she was going to be open candid and honest. You tricked her!

2:30:03 Well, that's not fair. And I don't think she was and and i think it's time That she be fired by the president united states or that She resigned she either did not tell she did not either She did not tell the president of United States That a three-time convict with A gun was on It Was in An elevator With The President Secret Service Did Not know that he had A gun only found out after the fact And since that incident happened literally two weeks ago today, she either did not tell the president which she should have done or she did tell the president and lied to Congress. You can't have it both ways. The White House advance team has got some responsibility for that as well I assume. Has she demonstrated an incompetence? Can we fairly lay it all on this woman?

2:30:49 Look, she was hired originally as the chief of staff and then promoted to become the director more than a year ago because there's this severe morale problem here that has not been turned around. All right your conclusion? To wrap this up Mr. Dvorak Well apparently she didn't tell the president about this gun-toting character in it What I don't know why somebody in the elevator with the president in the first place, but that's another story. Well it just is... I don't really have anything, I don't have a deep thing, this is part of just the barrage of crap that is catching up to this administration and I don't know if its just to sweep out the Hillary anti-Hillary group which I think is all of them so I don't know if they're going to be able to do that

CHAPTER 22 / 27 Discussion

DHS Power Struggles, Potential Dismantling of the Agency

Internal power struggles within the U.S. national security apparatus suggest a potential move to dismantle or significantly reorganize the Department of Homeland Security. FBI Director James Comey is seen as competing for influence, while the Secret Service and Coast Guard's placement under DHS is questioned. There is speculation that functions like airport security could eventually be outsourced to private contractors like the Chertoff Group.

dhs· fbi· james comey· michael chertoff· bureaucracy

2:31:35 I FBI Director Comey, who has changed the department with some agreement from Congress which we still have no one is still been able to give this to me. So he is now directly competing with Department of Homeland Security and NSA and the NSA thank you and how exactly the Secret Service came to fall all under DHS I'm not sure

2:32:12 That, of course was not... Well so is the Coast Guard for some unknown reason. Yeah. So all of these there is power struggle going on and I believe this to be the reason Lucy got the hell out of there she knew it was coming down she knows it's a big rotten look any organization that is 10 years old that has 200 000 employees this is look at the big corporations of our time And look how hard it is for them to actually manage and create. Compare Department of Homeland Security to Microsoft, Windows that's what we have when you have DHS it's like Microsoft You get windows with all the bull crap that goes along with it. You don't want Windows 8 protecting your president? You don't want Windows Phone to be protecting your president

2:33:09 I think that's what you get. And now everyone who is coming in, the new people they're taking up jockeying for position...I have a feeling we are going to see this call to dismantle. Yes, I agree with that 100%. Going back to the clip that I had, Chertoff is the shadow DHS and we're going to outsource these things right to Chertoff. Church off so TSA will go away. Hey, man another rhyme well It would make sense if you think about it Well DSA of course that TSA was not there in the first place and when there's another organization That just as good a job except at one incident every airport every airport has the right to

2:33:51 to view what they want. Independent contractors, they don't have to use the team. Chertoff can make the argument that they could do it or they could organize it and Chertoff was at DHS running it he would... It's obvious that he saw the light of day while he was there and says oh my god this is a dysfunctional excuse me a dysfunctional creation That's not going to work I am going to start an independent group and just build it up make it lean and mean I'm bringing all the hot shots that i can get, the only people worth a powder that were at DHS and we'll just do it on our own and do it as a contractor because everyone's going with contractors anyway. Boots on the ground is a bunch of contractors. It's all contractors! That's right

CHAPTER 23 / 27 Discussion

Eric Frein Manhunt, Pennsylvania Community Lockdowns

A resident in the Poconos region of Pennsylvania provides a first-hand account of the intense manhunt for suspected cop-killer Eric Frein. The community has experienced three weeks of intermittent lockdowns, with SWAT teams stationed in private yards and residents being forced to sleep in their cars when blocked from their homes. The report criticizes the heavy-handed police response and the psychological toll on local families during the search for the "survivalist" suspect.

eric frein· pennsylvania· manhunt· swat· police state· lockdown

2:34:37 And what will be left will be a bunch of ninny, scared pussy boys shivering in their boots cowering in the corner sheltering in place. I got an email from one of our producers hold on a second and he is right in the middle that manhunt in Pennsylvania Let me- Goes on forever! I have to read this to you this is nuts I happen to live dead center in the middle of the manhunt for Eric Frein. His parents' house where he lived is in the community next to mine, perhaps a hundred yards away but never knew him or his family." I can attest that the fact that Manhunter's pretty crazy here. I live on the edge of the forest he thought to be hiding it We have hundreds of cops from various groups FBI ATF SWAT etc patrolling and doing sweeps through the area frequently as we head into week three of the search

2:35:28 We've been locked out of the community or inside if you were home intermittently as they closed the roads during the first 10 days. My wife got locked out once and had to sleep in her car! Another night she was not able to get home for 5 hours!! I was locked in with kids during these periods, I would try to keep their minds off it but we had to practice what-if scenarios on where to run hide etc... They are ok so far but some kids in the community are pretty frightened." The SWAT team set a sniper in my yard facing the house the first day the search led here." And then some information about local info, Eric was just a tweaked guy. Parents maybe weren't paying attention he was Asperger Z according to what people is everybody...what everyone's saying and then he had an update email they were trying to control the area and understand the logic behind it but

2:36:22 They should have set up some kind of chaperone system for the first couple of days or at least guided people into and out of their homes as they backed off the lockdowns after the first week. There's a class action suit being put together, I understand it. When my wife returned to the house one night to pick up stuff they escorted her in and did a room by room search of the house! I just heard the latest press briefing that now have two pipe bombs setup yay yay yay." So This is insane. Having to sleep in your car, you can't get into your house because of the manhunt? We used to put together a posse and the men would say don't worry woman I'll be back we're gonna go get him hop on your horse with your rifle now what is this so well have contractors doing all the killing for us and we just sit home pay attention to your smartphone watch the television it's very very pathetic

2:37:25 Really, really, really sad. This whole Pennsylvania thing to me was nuts from the beginning. The lockdowns... it's a murderer on the run! That's all it is why doesn't this happen in Oakland? There are plenty of murderers And it's not the first cop that has ever been shot in the United States. So, it is a cop shooter and murderer that guy in Los Angeles was causing at least had some... I could see guys getting worked up about even though that was another phony deal. I find this to be just depressing now this situation with you know, Secret Service. I think the idea of busting up Homeland Security and letting these agencies let the Secret Service be its own agency again instead of... Seems like the way to go! And let this Coast Guard go back to becoming part of the military which makes a lot more sense to me putting TSA, let the Chertoff group do that

CHAPTER 24 / 27 Discussion

Valerie Jarrett Cameo, "The Good Wife" Appearance

White House advisor Valerie Jarrett makes a cameo appearance on the television drama "The Good Wife," playing herself. In the scene, she encourages the lead character, Alicia Florrick, to run for State's Attorney. The appearance is criticized as an example of the "Hollywood-ization" of the Obama administration and Jarrett's significant behind-the-scenes power in Washington.

valerie jarrett· the good wife· cameo· television· political influence

2:38:17 and let them do other stuff, and get rid of this whole operation. It was a stupid idea to begin with! And I think they're gonna... With this situation that we're seeing with the Secret Service woman, I think it is going to start to ratchet up to the next level which is who picked her to take this job? Who picked her to put her as Chief of Staff in 2008 right during the first year of the Obama administration? Who put her in there?! It was obviously Valerie Jarrett or somebody at DHS. It probably was Napolitano I'm sorry, do you mean Valerie Jarrett from The Good Wife? Yeah, from The Good Wife. This is Alicia Florek? Yes, Alicia it's Valerie Jarrett how are you doing today? I'm... good Listen i just wanted to call and tell you that I have been an admirer of yours for many years now Did you see this uh this little sequence of Valerie Jarrett's cameo on The Good Wife? No. Good clip. Oh! You want to hear the whole thing? Yes She's trying to get the good wi- I don't watch the show so she's trying to get the good wife to run for office and she's

2:39:17 She's in her office and she has her advisor telling her what to say, which is pretty much the way this is. She's in a huge position of power right now and this being what business she has doing a cameo? Hey why doesn't Michelle do a cameo? Why not put Sasha Malia on TV? Everybody go Hollywood! You have... Yes yes the way you started your own business What does this say? Stop by your husband. I am not saying that And, I admire the way you've set your own course Oh well thank you Miss Jarrett Have we met before or... No we haven't but- But i heard that you were contemplating running for state's attorney No it's me What do you want me to say? Encouragements Do you think she has a reel That she is shopping to agents Well if she doesn't She can put one together now

CHAPTER 25 / 27 Discussion

CBS "Scorpion" Review, Biohacking Plot Absurdity

The CBS procedural "Scorpion" is ridiculed for a scientifically inaccurate plot involving "biohacking." In the episode, a hacker supposedly creates a custom computer virus that physically infects a child through a laptop. The hosts highlight the absurdity of the premise, noting it as a prime example of television content designed for a technologically illiterate audience.

scorpion· cbs· biohacking· television· computer virus

2:40:15 Can't even listen the rest of it, but horrible woman the true president of United States there everybody That is, uh... Well something's up I think. Yeah so we'll keep our eye on this. If you're gonna do this TV stuff, I got one! Okay, I'll give you one. This will be my only clip I have for TV. Oh really? Because the Scorpion show as you know it was my favorite- Okay, I watched- I couldn't watch all I could watch was- I watched episode 2 of The Scorpion Show and I have to say something Not only because my favorite actress Nanny McPhee is in there, whatever her name is. Who was in my other favorite show The Broadway musical show Oh your favorite old show it was called Smash! Smash She's in this show and she is the normal one I have to say this This is the A-Team 2014 I love this show

2:41:16 Here is the premise. Based on a true character? Oh yeah, the character's based on a true character. The premise is not based on anything! If people are missing this show you're gonna miss stuff like this... Did the virus just hit Hell on his computer? Anybody else in house sick? No You and your wife And your staff devolving into proximity yes, what are you getting at? He could have taken out the whole home network But he directed the computer virus that just your child I Don't think it's a coincidence than no one else but Ellen is ill What does this mean give me girls some cool air she's hot enough

2:41:58 You can't catch it none of us can the virus he placed on a computer is custom-built He did the same with your daughter or why is no one else ill you're saying? He custom built a virus that would make just this child sick. Yeah, you're hacking and more recently there's biohacking now whoever infected The computer also infected your daughter. Until we find that person and know exactly what biological agent he used, there's not gonna be any hope for a cure. Wait wait wait where are you going? You can't just drop a theory like that and leave! Governor the helplessness you feel will incline you to irrational behavior so please resist the temptation to do anything stupid like standing in my way

2:42:36 Let me do my job Riveted I tell you The worst show ever biohacking. I'm a fan. I am watching it now This is totally meant for the stupidity that is the American public and I think it will work in Europe, too I love it. Yeah, I'm not gonna argue. I'm not arguing that. I love McPhee she's sexy She just like the normal one. I enjoy watching her work. She's but come on. Yeah, let's thank a few people for show six five seven who helped us out for this show Six-five seven including Greg Worley from even I guess it's Evington Virginia one two three four five only one of his Show for that which is one of my favorites. Yep He does have some requests you want to drop him in at the end we he likes it would like to get a

CHAPTER 26 / 27 Discussion

Final Donor Credits, Knighthood Ceremony

The show concludes with a final round of donor acknowledgments and a formal knighting ceremony for three long-time supporters: Sir Upper Decker (Travis Benelli), Sir Sean Paulson, and Sir Greg Worley. The hosts thank the "No Agenda" community for their continued support through the seventh anniversary of the program and provide information on upcoming show times and the "Value for Value" model.

knighthood· donation· podcasting· community· value for value

2:43:45 Plains good and the Atlas shrugged in a mac and cheese Come on. This is not how it works at the end, but I everyone could be wanting things at the end now Okay Well we don't do them then It's up to you You're the clip Meister Andy Clements in Maine news County Kildare Ireland That's kind of nice And he has a ei3 KF which I think eI would be Ireland right so this is 73 Xandy oh? I'm sorry. I'm trying to do two things at once and it's very hard for me to do more than one thing at once So he's a ham in Ireland. So why don't you get the hold of him on the horn? Well, interestingly enough one of our hams is putting together a no agenda QSO party. Oh yes! No I read this. That's cool right? I liked the idea. Yeah, the letter came in and he thinks it's a great idea and yeah we'll be behind it. We'll back it up. Anyway James Kates Virginia Beach, Virginia $100

2:44:48 He's got a birthday coming up. Yeah, discovers executive order 12333 which we've been talking about for I don't know a year and a half two years maybe three years perhaps. And now it was Oh look can you believe it was a Reagan executive order that gave the NSA all these yeah how about listening to the no agenda show? You douchebags So I was thinking we'd get a lot of 1, 2, 3 dot 33 donations. We work on that and we should put that as the year. I think you're absolutely correct. The twelve triple three. That's that is a donation level that lots of people should be taking advantage of Joe, the dish slave in Stockton, California. A job.

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2:52:12 And he said, oh man. He said this is the month so what do you mean? People are freaking out panic all kinds of stuff and I laid down my involuntary social network disorder he said Oh yeah big part of it and then I told him about the Smith-Mundt Act he said oh no wonder He's seeing nothing but people who are freaking out. Oh really? Yeah, he says it really increased. He said September... I'm telling you this show of ours is helping more people not freak out! Yeah because we're also giving you something to laugh about yeah because if you really start deconstructing this stuff it's really funny and her head is gone. Devorak dot org slash n a

2:53:02 Well, real short and sweet today. James Cates says happy birthday to his ex-girlfriend's awesome son Andre Mickelson lover of ponies and unicorns September 14th is when he celebrated so we say happy birthday from all your friends here at the best podcast in the universe Then we have not one not two but three nightings today John Of course we have Okay before you get those can I read one of these notes? But apparently our Austrian friend, he says wish my sweetheart in Linh in Thailand a happy anniversary. It's the second one in a row where I can't be together with her. Only had one month together during the entire last year. That's Martin. Speaking of which Miss Mickey is in the country? She just landed! She had to fly back via Los Angeles she was flying yesterday and guess what

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CHAPTER 27 / 27 Discussion

Chicago FAA Fire, Hong Kong Protests, Show Sign-off

The hosts briefly discuss the intentional fire at an FAA facility in Aurora, Illinois, which caused massive flight disruptions, suggesting it may be used to push for the "NextGen" automated air traffic system. They also touch upon the "Umbrella Revolution" in Hong Kong and the suspicious death of a local police chief. The episode ends with a final warning about Ebola in "FEMA Region 6" and a reminder of the upcoming Sunday broadcast.

faa· aurora fire· hong kong· umbrella revolution· ebola· sign-off

2:55:27 Is it something you want to say John? No, no. Every breath I take... I'm gonna do that to you whenever you just say something It's not annoying at all You're not that rude. Yeah correct These this taking them years to get there then um I'm really completely delighted to have these folks in our in our midst As the knight of the No Agenda Roundtable. I have, um... Let's see, a couple things we don't have a lot of time left. I'm gonna save- okay got some stuff on Gitmo Lowlands that i wanted to save. Oh! The fires, just want to say the Chicago Fire?

2:56:17 Um, in Aurora. Yeah. So what I'm deducing from the information that's come in from the global intelligence network and other things that have happened is this guy who did this and then allegedly tried to kill himself to...he pretty much... I think he tried to behead himself actually. That should be our new one, try to behead himself. Worked for the Harris Corporation who were awarded $150 million last year for the FAA Next Gen Data Communications Program. What I believe is happening here whether it was intentional or not, the crisis is not going to waste as now I'm hearing all the rumblings of well

2:56:56 You know, if we had a next... If we had the NextGen system working which is this idea of planes talking to each other and it's all magical. It's like Google self-driving cars in the air which has some merit but I'm not all in on it nor are all the pilots I know They're saying well we need more budget to get this going and of course this problem wouldn't have happened Which is I believe an intentional slowdown I guess, I am accusing the FAA this being an intentional slowdown in order to up the ante. And there's going to be at least a billion and a half dollars to implement the next gen program. As you know we've been looking at this they've been trying to get this kickstarted for awhile using anything do you recall John it was can you trust the pilots? You know, whoa! I'd much rather have...you know..I don't want a human being who could make errors up there i don't want any of that though oh this is no good

2:57:55 Recall any of that oh yeah, and I'm trying to hear we here with cars too and this brings me to Something I heard on NPR Nick Carr. Do we know him Nick Carr? He's a writer Nick Correa, he's a writer for the New York Times if I'm not mistaken. And he has written a book...I'm sorry, I forget what the book was about actually it is not that important and I was kind of just listening to what he was saying and he is taking this position and it was very hard for this NPR interviewer, maybe Tom Ashbrook on point, very hard for him to accept

2:58:36 that this Nick Carr's point about automation of our lives and that it is really creating the opposite of what we wanted to create. I thought it was just interesting to listen to, uh... It reminded me a lot of things we already talked about and plays right into um...a lot of the things we oppose such as the incessant narcissistic involuntary network social disorder. There was an interesting study done back in the 80s, I think. And what arose from that is a concept called the paradox of work and essentially what the researchers found is that people desire to be freed from hard work, freed from labor, freed from effort

2:59:18 And yet, when you look at what makes them feel happiest and most satisfied and most fulfilled it's when they're working hard struggling with a hard problem facing the challenge exercising their skills expanding this their skill. So we have this kind of internal conflict or tension that sometimes called miswanting we want things that actually don't make us happy and vice versa in I think that explains Why we're so quick to why we fall in love with computers and automation. So quickly and kind of want Quickly hand over everything to them without even thinking about it because we I'm sorry he says quickly too much He also says essentially We think that this will either give us a life of leisure or free us up to have higher thoughts Or whatever, but actually it tends to have the the opposite effect. We become less satisfied and less fulfilled when were simply not doing anything when we're not challenged and

3:00:15 And to me that kind of gets at the nub beyond the economics beyond the issues of productivity Unfortunately, our bias is to simply hand things over to computers and only afterwards realize that cheap What what really makes me happy makes me fulfilled is actually figuring things out working hard engaging with the world Being able to use a compass in a map to figure out where I am. I heard you groaning So I guess I'll stop with these clips from him well This book is the glass cage. Uh-huh, I have not read it. It's kind of funny because it's part of the battle between Amazon and other companies because the Kindle price was $1299 instead of their much appreciated $999 price for a Kindle. $1299 is too expensive. I agree with Amazon. I don't hear anything new? No! For us its not new. I do think that it is of note

3:01:17 Well, I don't even think it's just for us. I mean Voltaire was talking about this exact same thing back hundreds of years ago so it's not new in a lot of different ways and he has made a book out of it saying that we're not going to be fulfilled after the robots take over. Yeah exactly! That is essentially what the books about. Yes exactly! Essentially yes I heard you say it. I'm not gonna saw your head off. It's okay. All right, we have closer. I'm getting closer I think we need to do a quick analysis smacking my lips as much we should discuss that for a second. Oh, I don't understand I realize what he's talking about it's not lips. It's in my tongue clock It's a little noise you can make sometimes before you say like yeah right there That's that

3:02:04 I'm trying not to do it. It's a Tsk, tsk thing is the TSK. It's not a good thing. No its stupid because you do before sentence that means your dismissive its a dismissive sound yes so im in agreement with this character whose bitching about it cause he's hypersensitive to it meaning his parents are probably always tsking him but... analysis of the umbrella revolution. Yeah, I love that umbrella idea! So there's a couple things that are happening...this is Hong Kong and at first i was looking at this going oh well this started on Sunday during the show when they started to get pepper sprayed or tear gassed or whatever um and I don't know if this was initially a U.S State Department

3:02:57 managed issue. The Chinese told us to butt out if you know, thinking it might be... Well here's Spokeshole Kerry and when he shows up now I'm sure that we at least have tried to co-opted the Occupy movement is involved and i have all these links this occupy hold on a second by the way this is all under the umbrella revolution oh and brand new Hong Kong police chief ...has committed suicide this morning. Oh, this I didn't know! Yes... Hong Kong's Eastern District Police Chief Inspector is thought to have committed suicide at his desk this morning He was found dead with? With?!

3:03:42 What? Two gunshots to the temple. Oh, they killed him because he wasn't doing his job! I love it when people think that someone can shoot themselves in the head twice just like Hillary's lover, the true father of her daughter So this is Occupy Central. They have a website, Occupy Central with love and peace. And then once they brought in the yellow umbrella, I'm like oh come on people! Do we have to be apart of everything?

3:04:18 So they've jumped in on this somehow with both feet and the proof is in Kerry's words. As China knows, we support universal suffrage in Hong Kong according to basic law and we believe that open society with the highest possible degree of autonomy governed by rule of law is essential for Hong Kong stability and prosperity We have high hopes that the Hong Kong authorities will exercise restraint and respect The protesters right to express their views briefly, right? And then the Chinese foreign minister who sounds a lot like a young woman speaking English said as China Sorry sounded a lot like Carrie there Secretary Kerry mentioned Hong Kong. The Chinese government has

3:05:09 very firmly and clearly stated its position. Hong Kong affairs are China's internal affairs, all countries should respect China's sovereignty and this is also a basic principle governing international relations I believe for any country for any society no one will allow those illegal acts that violate public order That's the situation in the United States And that's the same situation in Hong Kong Shut up, slave! That was a nice little slap back. I think we're going to encourage Hong Kong to go- try to become independent Oh definitely Definitely oh yeah And but yeah i'm not sure why the guy had to die the police chief Two shots to the temple How insulting The only thing that was more insulting was the guy who died in the hot tub with the lid down

3:06:06 That's the worst. No, no I'm sorry this is the most insulting Neil deGrasse Tyson your buddy if you don't believe in climate change you're an idiot I'll keep it I'll keep this around DeGrasse Tyson and keep this good one to keep this clip of you around for a long time but I'm gonna put it in my little My little evergreens there will see we'll see what happens evidence is mounting More and more evidence is mounting against this This insanity though. You just have to make up more and more laughter, please more laughter And I believe We just had we're out of time John and I got all kinds of stuff going yeah, we can move it on the Sunday Now we're gonna move the show by half an hour early on Sunday Just a half or is that enough for you? Is that gonna work? We can do a full hour if you want. I mean, okay Maybe I might be just makes me have to get up at 6

3:07:04 But, which I can do. Maybe we can make it an hour but... Is there a reason why we're doing this? Yes because i'm going down to Los Angeles, Los Angeles on an airplane This sounds fun You're flying on an airplane Yeah Are you not worried about the Ebola? Well I'm gonna just wear a mask Because I know that some guy's selling them So I'm gonna get one of them masks and take some iodine pills because I understand that's good against Ebola And I just keep to myself. Now, going down to the Adobe Max. That's what...I was waiting here what you're doing? Yeah, but go look at some new products and take a few lessons in more photo foolery. Some lessons!

3:07:49 Oh, nice. Yeah they have a lot of workshops I mean like it's really mostly workshops and they also roll out some stuff and they have a lot of demos and its very good if you're photoshop user its one of those things to get something out of it Okay fair enough Shall we get out of here then? Should we call it a day? Yeah let's do it! Okay I think we have delivered I've-I have some- We got the goods as usual I've some fantastic Energy pipeline stuff for Sunday that I'm gonna keep. People will love that, I know they're gonna like it, that's cool Stuff that Suratomic Rod sent to me Yo yo yo okay Miss Mickey coming home tonight? I'm very excited Tonight is the night Change the sheets Oh my! Thanks for reminding me John Have no fear, the seats are clean

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