Episode 63 · Saturday, 27 December 2008

Save This Polar Bear

A global freeze strands travelers and collapses retail giants while the CIA deploys unusual bribes in Afghanistan and the New York Times offloads sports assets.

By The No Agenda Show | 1h 51m listen | 42 chapters
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The No Agenda Show · No. 63

About this episode

A massive winter storm at Seattle-Tacoma International Airport has left thousands of passengers stranded in makeshift camps, sparking a heated debate between Adam Curry and John C. Dvorak over the irony of record snowfall during global warming cycles. Richard Branson faces criticism for the virtualization of Virgin America as the airline shifts toward a spreadsheet-driven model managed by Lufthansa and Menzies Aviation. The hosts analyze the decline of personality in the skies, contrasting the efficiency of Gatwick’s North Terminal with the lost era of Pacific Southwest Airlines and its iconic in-flight comedy.

Financial instability dominates the global landscape as the New York Times Company moves to sell its stake in the Boston Red Sox to cover a $400 million debt payment. In the UK, retail giant Woolworths enters liquidation, threatening 27,000 jobs while bookmaker William Hill struggles to refinance £1.4 billion. The Nobel Committee faces a bribery scandal involving AstraZeneca and the HPV vaccine, while the CIA reportedly utilizes Viagra as a strategic tool to secure loyalty from aging warlords in Afghanistan. Meanwhile, the Russian ruble has been devalued by 3% in response to plummeting oil revenues and shifting currency pegs.

John C. Dvorak recounts rescuing TechTV archives from a dumpster while Adam Curry details his wife Patricia Paay’s efforts to mislead Dutch tabloids with fake house photos. The segment on Hollywood history features Carrie Fisher’s anecdotes about Cary Grant’s LSD advocacy and Michael Bay’s vocal disdain for Canadian film subsidies. The program concludes with a look at the Vatican’s secret archives and the historical medicinal use of cannabis by Queen Victoria.


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CHAPTER 01 / 42 Discussion

Curry Manor, Weather, Washington Snowstorm Anecdote

Adam Curry and John C. Dvorak open the program from the United Kingdom and Northern Silicon Valley, respectively. Curry describes sub-zero temperatures in the UK while Dvorak recounts being snowed in during a recent trip to Washington. The hosts joke about global warming while discussing their holiday activities, including inner-tubing and snowball fights.

adam curry· john c. dvorak· curry manor· washington· snowstorm· global warming

00:01 Coming to you from the epicenter of global warming, where it is sub-zero temperatures in Gitmo Nation East, from the United Kingdom, still in the Curry Manor. I'm Adam Curry. I'm John C. Dvorak here in Northern Silicon Valley, California, where it's actually sunny. It'll probably be about 65. I hate you. 65, that's global warming right? Oh man, it is. The continent is like minus 5 centigrade. It is so cold and it's just hovering around freezing here. Well I spent the week up in Washington where we were snowed in.

00:40 That must have been cozy and fun and old-fashioned snowed in Christmas. It was okay, it was good. I get to throw snowballs. You know, we have a hill and we have actually from the driveway down. So we all drank a lot and went down the two inner tubes at midnight and bounced around a lot and made a mess. Wait a minute, let me just get a visual. Okay. I just see your fat white ass in a big black inner tube. Just a quick visual. and so uh... and then a few snowball fights and that was that uh... you know it's cold but the thing with those interesting was the trip up because i took a uh... again virgin america who should be sponsoring the show helia of flight

CHAPTER 03 / 42 Discussion

EasyJet, Southwest Airlines, PSA History, In-Flight Comedy

EasyJet and Southwest Airlines are compared regarding their "speedy boarding" models and operational efficiency. The history of Pacific Southwest Airlines (PSA) is explored, including its acquisition by US Airways and the subsequent removal of its iconic "smile" branding and in-flight comedy routines. The hosts reflect on the loss of personality in the airline industry as it transitioned into a spreadsheet-driven business.

easyjet· southwest airlines· pacific southwest airlines· us airways· airline deregulation

03:08 You know, really my most favorite airline has got to be EasyJet. I mean, that's the one that has just everything about it works, right down to speedy boarding. Do they have this on the low-cost airlines in the States, John, the concept of speedy boarding? Well, Southwest, you know, the originator of this whole type of operation was... Is Southwest, right? No, actually it was a company called PSA, Pacific Southwest Airlines. And they were bought by American or United or somebody and they were just, I think it was, I think they were bought by, no, they were bought by US West or USAir, I'm sorry, but they were bought by USAir and the first thing they had to do is, these airplanes that PSA flew had a smile on them. They painted a smile on them.

03:52 And the first thing that US Airways does is they take the smile off. And then the second thing they did was... Fuck the smile, get rid of that. Yeah, so that's gone. And then the second thing they did was on PSA they used to have these comedy acts Yeah, everybody's like in the unlikely event of a water landing, you know besides getting wet or some lame joke like that. Yeah, right. And if you're sitting next to a child or someone acting like a child, you know that. Put their mask on, put yours on first and then theirs. I remember once I heard a pilot do a spiel. Have you ever heard the pilot come on and do a good spiel?

04:31 No, no I never have. The one I liked, and it was in America, I can't remember, I was a kid with my parents, I remember we were being pushed back from the gate, so just before that happened the pilot gets on the intercom and he says, okay let's just put that in reverse, easy up on the clutch, there we go, ah yes we're backing up. It was very funny. And I've never forgotten that, like, ah that's a good joke. Well, I have a recorder on me usually and I'm always waiting to catch it because most of this is a folklore bit because the same gags have all been recycled and every once in a while somebody will come on, they'll do it on Southwest very rarely but once in a while, some guy will come out with the entire classic.

05:10 spiel with all the jokes of the jokes and you know you were really see the whole thing anyway so they got rid of that because you can have that because this probably you know they don't know why but this u s here is not the most fun loving company and so then they they had this uh... they took all their routes and then they could make any money on a man they folded it And then apparently the other, there was another one, Western Airlines, and there was a couple other ones that flew out here, and they got all bought up, and then these guys couldn't handle it. And all that's left now is United Express, which I think was Western or one of the other companies that they bought. And then Southwest cropped up. And Southwest, the guy who started Southwest, says he modeled the company after PSA, and that's why he named it Southwest, which is part of the PSA name.

CHAPTER 04 / 42 Discussion

Gatwick North Terminal, In-Seat Ordering, Airport Efficiency

Gatwick Airport's new North Terminal is praised for its efficiency and modern design, specifically the use of stairs instead of jetways to speed up passenger turnover. Virgin America's in-seat ordering system is highlighted as a superior feature that allows passengers to purchase items via touchscreens and credit card swipes. The discussion emphasizes how rapid boarding and deplaning are critical for airline profitability.

gatwick airport· amsterdam airport· virgin america· in-seat ordering· airport infrastructure

05:53 But he has his basic theory, and they have speedy boarding. He says that once these airlines, these carriers have to realize that a plane doesn't make any money sitting on the ground. He wants his planes in the air almost as much as, you know, he doesn't want them sitting around. They're flying. Yeah. That's the only, it's a spreadsheet business. That's absolutely the only way you make money. Right, so he's got those things, they land, they dump everybody out, and they load them up. You know what I like even better is now Amsterdam and London, Gatwick, which has a beautiful new North Terminal, it's been, you know, Gatwick always had a real seedy kind of connotation, but the new terminal is fantastic. They have their own kind of pier, their own wing, if you will, for

06:40 these short route, short hop flights and there's no jetway, it's all stairs. So boom, the plane rolls up, they've got the hold open before the plane, before they even have the chocks in, the bags are coming out, the new bags are going on, people just are right off the plane, you don't have to wait for that stupid jetway, they walk down front and back, which is great on a 737. So it empties out real quick and then everyone walks on. And with speedy boarding the only advantages for like I think it's 10 or 12 pounds extra, you are boarded first. So you can basically sit wherever you want. I like to sit kind of near the front so you can get off even quicker but it's fast. What I love about Virgin America, which I hope EasyJet will get, is the in-seat ordering. That just rocks so hard. I love that.

07:34 You just sit there and go on a little screen, boop boop, I'll have a Coke, I'll have some pretzels, because of course that's about all there is. You know, I want a little model airplane, a Virgin America model airplane. And then you swipe your credit card and the flight attendant comes by and hands it to you. Yeah, well Virgin America is the way to go. But anyway, so I go up to Seattle and I guess I landed up there and it was I guess a hub of a disaster. Alaskan cancelled all its flights, Northwest cancelled all its flights because especially Northwest had some issues. I don't know what was wrong with Alaska.

08:11 And so the airport was like being in Saigon, you know, when the fall of Vietnam took place. And there's people, they're walking around, I guess they have these, at the Seattle airport, they have these blue blankies. that they give out to people that are, I guess, stranded there so they don't freeze to death. The ones that are about big enough to cover half of your body? No, actually these are pretty big. But it was freezing because it was snowing, it was like a blizzard outside. And so there's a bunch of these people wandering around with these blankets on and it looked like the Bedouins or something. It just had a strange feeling to it.

CHAPTER 05 / 42 Discussion

Seattle-Tacoma International Airport, Winter Storm Disruptions, Global Warming

Seattle-Tacoma International Airport experienced significant disruptions due to a blizzard, leading to mass cancellations by Alaska Airlines and Northwest Airlines. Stranded passengers were reportedly provided with large blue blankets, creating a scene compared to a refugee camp. The hosts discuss the irony of severe ice storms and record snowfall occurring amidst ongoing global warming debates.

seattle· alaska airlines· northwest airlines· winter storm· airport stranding

07:34 You just sit there and go on a little screen, boop boop, I'll have a Coke, I'll have some pretzels, because of course that's about all there is. You know, I want a little model airplane, a Virgin America model airplane. And then you swipe your credit card and the flight attendant comes by and hands it to you. Yeah, well Virgin America is the way to go. But anyway, so I go up to Seattle and I guess I landed up there and it was I guess a hub of a disaster. Alaskan cancelled all its flights, Northwest cancelled all its flights because especially Northwest had some issues. I don't know what was wrong with Alaska.

08:11 And so the airport was like being in Saigon, you know, when the fall of Vietnam took place. And there's people, they're walking around, I guess they have these, at the Seattle airport, they have these blue blankies. that they give out to people that are, I guess, stranded there so they don't freeze to death. The ones that are about big enough to cover half of your body? No, actually these are pretty big. But it was freezing because it was snowing, it was like a blizzard outside. And so there's a bunch of these people wandering around with these blankets on and it looked like the Bedouins or something. It just had a strange feeling to it.

08:51 Anyway, it was pretty funny because I was taking a puddle jumper from there and I went down to Boeing Field to get that. And that wasn't really too bad there. I don't know what, it was a localized problem, I guess. I don't know. But whatever the case was, I guess some people were stranded in the United States because of this winter storm for, I don't know, three, four days in some of these airports. They couldn't get home. They're moaning and groaning on TV. you know they want to see their relatives and it's the same. Don't moan, don't moan. So I guess a lot of them just finally got out the other day. So I thought that was kind of interesting to experience. And then this is all part of the global warming of course which has struck America in I mean is it not so that there's still ice storms on the in the northeast and there's all kinds of weird weather right that's still ongoing since we spoke last week.

09:45 Yeah, yeah, it's been going on all week it looks like. And there's the snowfall we had up in Washington. I mean, getting all flying in. You know, I'm flying in looking down on Seattle. I have never seen Seattle like this. It was just white. The whole thing, it was just a mass of snow. Anyway, it was kind of pretty. So for the listeners who are hearing this on the podcast for the first time today, we're streaming the show live. Which was kind of funny because I was also trying to set up the phone bridge so we could take a call but Skype is... I mean this thing is so jerry-rigged. It's really held together with bailing wire and some chewing gum that I just couldn't get it to work. But I think people enjoyed me trying to configure it. A lot of swearing. So the big news here, I come back and I'm watching the ABC. It's still made off of it.

CHAPTER 06 / 42 Discussion

Homeland Security USA, Presidential Libraries, Digital Archiving

The ABC television show Homeland Security USA is introduced as a new media focus, though the hosts debate when it was first mentioned on the program. This leads to a discussion on the longevity of digital media and the potential for podcast episodes to be archived in presidential or congressional libraries. Concerns are raised about the fragility of servers and the likelihood of most digital content being lost to history.

homeland security usa· abc news· presidential library· digital archiving· mp3

10:43 No. Well, I mean, yeah, but to me the big news is a new show they're bringing out. Homeland Security USA? Yeah. Can you believe that? Homeland Security USA? John, what rock have you been... Oh, you were up in Seattle. This is like three weeks ago. Same thing. The Seattle rock. No, but this, uh, didn't we, didn't I mention this to you three weeks ago? No. Yeah, I'm pretty sure I did. Homeland Security USA. What was the timestamp on the mention? It was episode number six zero and the timestamp... Thanks, dick. This is what we always do. It's like, you know, I mentioned that. Oh yeah? What episode and what time code?

11:26 Yeah, that's the great thing about doing what you do is show us an hour and a half what you know once we can you if you've did it more you'll never find anything it's all this is all lost to posterity and some you know some future date when somebody takes and transcodes everything into some you know some way they could search it I wonder about that you know because I do keep a lot of stuff that I think is relevant and you know all of my my Dutch and American radio work is all online Nice guy in Australia, clogwog.net, he did that all for me. I always wonder if anyone will ever give a shit? Will it just be the server one day, someone will die, no one will pay a bill and then it's gone, right? It's just over. I think most stuff will be gone.

12:12 but it but people would uh... give a shit if they uh... if you know for talking about a hundred years from now someone's doing research of the era and there was some way of accessing some of this old material just to see what people are thinking you know we need to resist here's what he's really we need to get uh... a number of episodes of this show into a presidential library it's gotta be possible It would be funny to be in the Bush library. I think all the episodes should be in the presidential library. Damn straight, if not the congressional library. All the episodes as MP3s would go on one DVD, I mean what's the big deal? We should probably make a number of DVDs of all the episodes in MP3 format and then give them to a bunch of libraries all over the country. Yeah, see if they take them.

CHAPTER 07 / 42 Discussion

ZDTV, TechTV, Dell Murder Mysteries, Lost Media History

John C. Dvorak recounts his efforts to save his television archives from ZDTV and TechTV after the networks attempted to discard them. A similar anecdote involves book packager Bob McCoy rescuing original oil painting cover art for Dell murder mysteries from a dumpster. The segment highlights the frequent destruction of cultural and corporate history by accountants seeking to reduce storage costs.

zdtv· techtv· silicon spin· dell· bob mccoy· media preservation

13:05 I'm sorry? I'm saying they might. I mean, if I'm a librarian as a deviant, you know, they have a lot of these archival libraries like the Bancroft over here at the University of California, which just essentially collects all kinds of weird crap that's, you know, hundreds of years old, usually from family heirlooms. Well, I am in the Dutch Broadcast History Museum. Because I did all that stuff for public television, so I know that's been kept and it but it's always you know the same five clips Right, that's not the same as now complete episodic You know 60 70 100 and you know how many shows? Or yeah, I've got thousands. I've got thousands of shows

13:52 I have all my Silicon Spin shows, and of course they're in boxes scattered around the basement. And I also have actually the early stuff I did from CNET on big U-Matics. Those should probably be transcoded before the other stuff, before those things all blow up. It's all, I don't know. This is typical of any kind of small operation, but they at ZDTV, which became Tech TV, I went in the office once and there was a big giant box of all my two years of my shows. And I said, what is this box doing here? And they said, we're throwing it out.

14:42 you know you've told us a story and so i think i grabbed him and i made sure to get them to do that and as they came out i'd make sure to grab them when they're going to go into another process of throwing him out and reminds me of a friend of mine uh... who's in new york uh... the agent and and uh... book packager named bob mccoy he used to work at dell which was bought by i think uh... one of the other band term and then bought by somebody else in god knows who owns what now So he's going, he was apparently at one of the, someplace, one of their facilities to get something out of the archives. And he goes and he finds a dumpster filled to the brim with original art that was cover art for all those old Dell murder mysteries and all that kind of stuff. Oh no, you're kidding me. Oh, that's horrible.

15:34 Yeah, and he says, what's going on here? And the guy says, oh yeah, we're, you know, the accountants told us we had to get rid of this stuff so we could shrink the office, blah, blah, blah. So he grabbed whatever he could. Actually, I have four pieces that I got, and they're just really dynamite. They're oil paintings. And so he just grabbed as much as he could and filled his car. and you know because they were going to just burn it and I'm thinking you know what a bunch of boneheads I mean this could have gone on a really nice auction. I'll tell you though because we've just gone through this exercise cleaning out storage really decimating the amount of crap we have in this house for the move which starts on Monday, Tuesday we'll be in the new house and

CHAPTER 08 / 42 Discussion

Victorian Furniture Market, IKEA, Artist Rights, Newspaper Archives

High-quality Victorian furniture is reportedly difficult to sell or even give away as modern consumers prefer disposable flat-pack items from IKEA. The discussion touches on the legal complexities of artist rights and work-for-hire contracts, which often lead companies to destroy archives rather than risk litigation through auctions. The hosts predict that many local newspaper photographic archives will eventually vanish due to corporate mergers.

victorian furniture· ikea· ebay· intellectual property· newspaper archives

16:22 you know that everyone says okay i'll take this and i'll take this to the auction house we have some nice shit that we just don't want anymore you know you can't just throw it away, i'd much rather give it away which is what we're going to wind up doing because no one's buying anything there's auctions of smaller lower price items that aren't specialty antiques or real collectors items even ebay it's really tough people are not buying a lot and in fact when it comes to furniture I'm not talking about paintings when it comes to furniture The experience that these guys have is people would much rather go to IKEA buy some flat pack crap throw it together Instead of buying something we have a quality

17:03 late 1800s couch and two chairs. I'm talking big bombastic Victorian wood with gold trimmings. We had them completely reupholstered. These things, when we bought them, probably worth $9,000, maybe a little more. Couldn't give it away. No one wants it. They'd much rather have... Yeah, well I think there's actually, you know, this was in the 80s when he found this cache of art. But I think there's probably more to it. You know, there's probably the, I think the one element that I, you know, even though I express lament, there's probably the element of rights. You know, artists, they send their stuff in and they still own it.

17:49 And so you can't, they may have sold it as, there's probably like some of them were probably sold as work for hire and some of them were sold as one time North American rights. And there's probably a whole bunch of different deals that were done to get all this art. And they probably, if you put it on the auction market, you'd get sued by one of these artists who was seeing you ripping them off because they probably should have the piece back or who knows what. So they say screw it, we'll just throw it out. And what's the worst that can happen? and uh... i don't know but i i think that goes on a lot i think a lot of stuff is is a lot of history and a lot of i know you like photographic archives a lot of these newspapers is gonna end up gone because these newspapers are you know they're going to be buys another which buys another which was another day for so to check this out the new york times did you know that they own part of the red socks

CHAPTER 09 / 42 Discussion

New York Times, Boston Red Sox, Financial Liquidity

The New York Times Company is reportedly seeking to sell its $200 million stake in the Boston Red Sox to raise cash for an upcoming $400 million debt payment. While the ownership is technically through the Boston Globe, the move is seen as a sign of the financial strain facing major print media institutions.

new york times· boston red sox· boston globe· financial crisis· divestment

18:38 Yeah, I know isn't that funny we blogged that I mean how I mean where's the outrage on that that that's ridiculous So they have it like a four hundred million dollar payment coming due in February or March So they need to get some cash so you know now I mean I don't know if this is public knowledge But all of a sudden I read right there in the paper is like yeah We're selling our two hundred million dollar stake in the Red Sox, huh? In Boston, the rival town's team? Well, the New York Times owns the Boston Globe and I think that's a connection there. Yeah, that's true. But still, the headline was really weird. I'm like, whoa. Well, yeah, that's the way you'd want to play the headline to make a laughing stock out of New York. But in fact, it's the Boston Globe that's the real owner. Yeah, true.

CHAPTER 10 / 42 Discussion

CD-ROM Longevity, Scuzzy Burners, PlexStore Data Recovery

Early CD-ROM technology and the "scuzzy" interface are discussed in the context of data rot, as 20-year-old discs begin to lose information. Dvorak mentions a specific PlexStore drive known for its superior reading capabilities, which he uses to recover data from flaky legacy media. The hosts emphasize the necessity of redundant backups on multiple hard drives to prevent total data loss.

cd-rom· plexstore· data rot· scuzzy· digital backup

19:25 Yeah, so I think you know these so yeah these shows. There's a lot of stuff that you I mean I was thinking about this with the Generally, you know generally speaking that because I still have a bunch of you know I move some old CDs I had a CD-ROM burner like version one when they first came out they were 1x. Then it finalizes for three hours? Yeah, it was 1x, it was scuzzy. Oh, I love scuzzy. Old scuzzy CD-ROM burners, the first ones you get, the CD, the blank CDs I think were two or three dollars. And it was like a big deal. And then you'd burn it. And it was like only one out of two would take. They'd always crap out. The thing would blow up for some reason. It would be, nah, sorry, this one didn't work. So you'd have to do it again. So anyway, but some of those did, you know, you got a bunch of old ones. And so now some of them are actually losing data. I mean, they're not even that old, 20 years old maybe.

20:26 and there's already losing data, and so you have to find all your old CD-ROMs that you burned and move the data to a DVD or as fast as you can. And luckily I have a, there was one Plex Store model that I got a copy of that was considered by experts who analyze discs, to see how well they burn or whatever. The DVD itself? Yeah, there's a couple companies that look at, if you produce a CD-ROM burner, this was for a CD-ROM burner, they can tell you how well it did by looking at it under an electron microscope or something. And this guy who runs one of these companies, it's a testing company, he told me about this one particular Plex Store Dry, this is a few years ago, say the least,

21:25 that was absolutely perfect in every way. And it actually, I still have it, and it will read discs that, I've got 20 different readers, it will read a disc that none of these other readers will touch. But then I have to get it off that, obviously the disc itself is flaky. Anyway, it's a real problem. I think a lot of data and pictures and everything, people have to have two, you back up to hard drives now, Yeah, yeah, can't trust them and then you have to have a second one just in case yeah Well, I find just having a lot of copies everywhere Usually that's what I do. I have to I have like two three four Sometimes more copies of the same thing. It's like clutter. Yeah, I

CHAPTER 12 / 42 Discussion

The World According to Monsanto, Bernard Madoff, René-Thierry Magon de la Villehuchet

The French documentary "The World According to Monsanto" is recommended for its investigation into industrial food systems. The conversation shifts to the Bernard Madoff Ponzi scheme and the suicide of French financier René-Thierry Magon de la Villehuchet, who lost over $1 billion of client money. The hosts discuss the legal fallout for "feeder funds" and the potential clawback of commissions paid to brokers.

monsanto· bernard madoff· rené-thierry magon de la villehuchet· ponzi scheme· feeder funds

25:01 Are you still with me? I didn't bust you out there. No, I'm here. Okay, good. Yeah, you have to take a look at this. This is a French... It's on Google Movies? Yeah, it's on the Google Movie Channel where everything's available. It's on the Google where all your movies can come from. I got a great high-quality version of It's a Wonderful Life. I actually put that on MeVeo today, the little piece where George Bailey says well your money's not here. It's it's in your house is in his house And what do you want to get you're gonna foreclose? Thought it was so cool, but for 60 years for 60 years this movie has been warning us about about this very moment About what can actually happen every single year gets rolled out again Although I must say in the past five years since they actually started to do this to bankrupt everybody you don't see that movie around that much and

26:00 So that one guy committed suicide? From the Madoff... I saw them report this live on CNBC, it was fantastic. They went live to... They showed him killing himself? No, not quite that good. But they showed a reporter on the street corner and he's like, and it was so funny, I'm reading this off my Blackberry. He was literally reading like the ABC News website. I'm reading this off my Blackberry and that's why I'm on the corner here standing somewhere I guess near the guys... He could have been on any corner. and uh... he says i don't speak french Because the guy's name is Villa Penu or something like that I believe. Yeah, it's got this real aristocratic old French name. Yeah, here I'll look it up from the link that you just sent me. I guess he lost a billion dollars of his client's money. Yeah, and then he slid... He figured he had to kill himself before somebody killed him. Yeah, really. But he slid his wrist, which is an old-fashioned... That's old-fashioned. A very old school, yeah. René Thierry Magon de la Villa Chouchet. Fuck him, he should be dead with a name like that.

27:02 René Thierry Magon de la Villoucher. Darn. Yep. Well, every single day now there's new, what would be the right word to describe it? harshness coming out about this fund. I mean, the amount of people who were invested directly or probably worse indirectly through these so-called feeder funds, which were essentially a fund that you would, you know, you'd put your money into a fund and that fund would do nothing but basically feed the Madoff fund.

27:40 Yeah, how lazy can you be? Yeah, in fact... These guys were just front-loading. They were just like, you know, taking your money, charging you a commission and then giving it to somebody else to do... It's like outsourcing your investment. What cut out the middleman? Yeah, so yeah, they take a fee even before the money is invested. They were taking a fee. The writer of Forrest Gump, he's suing his broker. for investing his money indirectly, one of those feeder funds into Madoff. And this is what's crazy because now there's word that a lot of the fees and commissions that were taken will have to be paid back. So you've got schmucks out there who maybe got a $500,000, maybe a million dollar bonus, bought a house, a car, put their kids into college and now they've got to pay that money back. Yeah, well good. Yeah, hell yeah.

CHAPTER 13 / 42 Discussion

Elvis Presley Memorabilia, Council Worker Skimming, Media Portrayals

A British television movie dramatized the true story of a council worker who embezzled £200,000 to fund a massive Elvis Presley memorabilia collection. The hosts criticize the production for attempting to make the criminal appear sympathetic by focusing on her loneliness and personal tragedies.

elvis presley· theyworkforus.org· embezzlement· bbc· memorabilia

28:35 It was so cool, last night they had a movie on here, based on a true story. And it really shows you... I wonder if it was... It wasn't BBC, but it really shows you what they're trying to do, how they're trying to portray government workers. You know, the people from theyworkforus.org. This is a famous story, she was a council worker, and her job was to collect the parking meter money and then keep the accounts. And what she wound up doing is she wound up skimming, and she was skimming off the top and she was doing creative bookkeeping because she was very lonely. But she had an Elvis obsession, and in her attic she literally built a 200,000 pound Elvis Presley collection and shrine of memorabilia, which she bought at auctions.

29:22 with this 200,000 pounds. But they made it like she was a poor girl, you know, and she was a loner and no one had liked her, no one was nice to her, and so it's of course... No one liked her because she was a criminal. They were like, throw the... and I kept saying to Patricia, throw this bitch in jail now! Even though it was an actress, I'm yelling at the television. But they really twisted the story into making it nice. Oh, but yeah, I know she was obsessed and no one loved her and had an evil stepmom and her mom died. Fuck you! I don't care. Everyone's got it hard. Well, except for you. So now, hey, I forgot to mention this. I was on the, you know, when I went to Portugal, I watched a bunch of movies, obviously, on the plane, right? Coming and going. So I watched, believe it or not, I watched Mama Mia.

CHAPTER 14 / 42 Discussion

Mamma Mia Film, Meryl Streep, Pierce Brosnan, Joop van den Ende

The film adaptation of the musical "Mamma Mia" is criticized for its poor singing and nonsensical plot, specifically the performances of Meryl Streep and Pierce Brosnan. Curry mentions that his wife, Patricia Paay, turned down the lead role in the Dutch stage version because she disliked the 1970s-style bell-bottom costumes.

mamma mia· meryl streep· pierce brosnan· joop van den ende· endemol

30:12 Wow, that's uh... I would only watch that if I was certain I was getting laid. It was terrible. Of course it was terrible. I only watched it because it was like watching a train wreck. And Meryl Streep, who can't sing and admits it, is just bad. And then, the only reason I bring this up is because I'm watching a couple, you know, I'm watching some show on TV, they're raving about this film, and they're going on and on about how great it was, and she's great, what an actress, blah, blah, blah. The movie made no sense. It was stupid, the stories, and the singing was dreadful, and it was awkward, and it was like, what were these people thinking when they did that, and Pierce Brosnan?

30:57 Have you seen the musical? No. Sure the musical was fine on the stage, you know, if it was stage right and you had, you know, people who could belt out a tune for a theater audience, I'm sure it was acceptable. Not it. Well, I think I told you that Patricia was offered to do the Meryl Streep role in the Dutch version. Joop van den Ender called her personally. You know, he's one of the Endemol guys. And she said, no, I hate the outfits, the songs, you know, pfft, we all know them. But her big problem was the outfits. She doesn't like the bell bottoms. I'm like, I don't want to wear that. I was, but anyways, I ended up watching as much as I did. I think I saw most of it because I just couldn't, I was just, my jaw just dropped. You know, what is, what is this? Yeah, about how bad it was. Anyway, so you seen any good movies lately?

CHAPTER 15 / 42 Discussion

CIA Bribery, Afghanistan Warlords, Viagra, Network Latency

The CIA is reportedly using Viagra as a bribery tool to gain information and loyalty from aging Afghanistan warlords. During this discussion, the hosts troubleshoot technical issues with their Skype connection and stream latency. Curry analyzes his router's priority routing and bandwidth usage to determine why the audio quality is degrading.

cia· afghanistan· viagra· warlords· skype

31:59 Now we got the stream going, we got to be a little more topical. Yeah, although I'm just trying to figure out why you start... Are you downloading something? You really started to break up a little bit there. No, but let me go look... No, no. Oh, wait a minute. There's something going on in my other machine. Let me turn it off. Okay. Anyway, while you're doing that, here's... If you want to be topical, The CIA is now bribing Afghanistan warlords. Are you with me? Yeah. Do you know what they're bribing them with? No. Let's see, we have the choice of cash, that's always a good one. We have guns, another good one. But would you believe Viagra? Really? Yeah. Wow, we're the most creative group of people is the American CIA.

32:59 We really are fantastic that way. That's amazing. Hey man, you're still breaking up. It's really shitty. What the hell is that? Why did that start? It's nothing. I'm fine. You sound good. There's nothing going on. Okay. Alright. Nothing to see here. Just move on. It's just your ears. People on the streams. Well, hopefully when you get your new connection next week we'll have this resolved. But this is the thing, I believe, I was thinking about it last night, because look, what is this connection? It's 12, 12 kilobit, maybe it's a, okay, make it 100 kilobit per second up, 100 kilobit per second down, right? It can't be much more than that.

33:38 In fact, I can measure it right now. Hold on, I've got a monitor. And my router is set up to prioritize such things. Well, this, I believe, is the problem. So, right now I'm sending between 20... Yeah, of course, I'm sending the stream out, so 230 kilobits per second. And coming in, it's only, you know, it's like 1. Wait a minute. See, that makes no sense. Oh, that's kilobytes, so about 100. uh... hundred kilobits per second so that's not the entire pipe so i i immediately start thinking wait a minute that's got to be the priority routing and either a i have to change my router to prioritize skype packets or perhaps the i s p is uh... is doing nasty things you know like after after a while to just get bored of my packets and they start to mess with them so as you know i'm a big fan of one double a football

CHAPTER 16 / 42 Discussion

Richmond Spiders, Division 1 Football, Sports Fan Psychology

The Richmond Spiders' victory in the Division 1 football championship prompts a discussion on the visceral emotional response of sports fans. Dvorak admits to being a "bandwagon jumper" who only roots for winning teams, viewing sports as a commercial product rather than a source of regional loyalty. The hosts wonder if the passion people feel for sports could be harnessed for political engagement.

richmond spiders· division 1 football· appalachian state· sports psychology· bandwagon jumping

34:44 No, what is 1AA football? Well, it's now called Division 1, but you see 1AA. It's really, it's college football at its best because it's not, you know, commercialized. The guys, it's very creative. There's a lot of, you know, experimental play calling and they have a tournament at the end of the year, which everyone wants the big boys to do. and uh... so this team the richmond spiders won this year and i was rooting for us to see beat the team that i was rooting for before i'm a bandwagon jumper by the way uh... most of all sports fans uh... i'm on the winnings jimmy you know there's a study that was done that shows that the did the the the sports fan

35:27 has the same visceral response to winning and losing as the actual people playing the game. Really? You ever see this research? Yeah, so when you are rooting for the losing team and they lose, and you have the same kind of, you know, does the same kind of body chemistry stuff to you that it does to the, I can't believe it does it as bad, but does the same thing to you as it does to the losing team. And if you win, the same, you know, you feel elated and it's good for you. So this is interesting. And why does this take place? And is there a way to harness that and change it so that people get those feelings when politicians screw them out of their money?

36:08 Yeah, that would be good wouldn't it because what does you know when people lose in fact when people win? They go out and they trash the streets. They burn cars. They you know loot and Break shop windows, but when there's blatant stealing going on every single day in front of their faces like oh, okay I'll just go watch them one triple a football. That's cool. I like them So anyway, so the Richmond Spiders won and I, so now I have to find some way of getting a hoodie. Oh yes, of course. Because it's got the greatest logo. It's got this huge red spider on a blue background. It's really a cool looking logo for this team. But unlike Appalachian State, where there's a bunch of hippies and people that would listen to this kind of show, I don't think anybody at the University of Richmond

37:00 Has ever heard of no agenda and I really doubt you know you or the twit. Oh, dude We totally have the connect somewhere. I guarantee it. I guarantee it. Yeah, I guarantee it. Yeah, we got like 350 people on the stream right now. There's people out there if you take 350 people and Power of six or whatever whatever it is maybe someone knows someone somewhere but anyway if I get to ever get a hold of one of these things I Just a big spider. It's cool looking. But yeah, so I'm a bandwagon jumper and I always have the... In fact, I have... Like a Super Bowl game where there's two teams that I don't care much about either one or even if I do care about one, I'll switch sides in the middle of the game. In halftime. I do it. Oh man.

37:49 I know you will. I know you will. It drives everybody crazy. No, I love it. How can you do that? I have people saying, how can you do that? How can you be rooted in firm lead? Now you won't, you don't even, won't even talk about him. Just because they suck. The 49ers are a good example. Why should I be rooting for a team that can't win any games? It doesn't make any sense to me. It's called team spirit. It's called state spirit or city spirit of which you clearly have none. I have zero and I don't intend to have any. I don't see why. They put up... it's like a crappy product. If you, you know, what am I supposed to do? I go to, like, you get, say the milk goes sour three days early. Am I supposed to be rooting for it? I mean, oh, I used to like this milk 10 years ago. I don't, you know, I'm still gonna hope it doesn't go bad. I mean, it just doesn't make any sense. That's a bit of a stretch as an analogy, but I understand where you're coming from. You're coming from an unloyalist perspective. No, it's not unloyalist. This is a product

38:48 It's not anything more than that. Yeah, but we're trained differently. A basketball team is a product. And if the product sucks, I'm not rooting for it. Right, but it's supposed to be a localized product. Oh, it's just a marketing scambit. I can't fool you, can I? As hard as I try, I can't suck you into it. Hey man, I'm really excited. You know Mythbusters? I'm sure you've watched that show. Oh yeah. Mythbusters, now these are the guys, whenever I latch on to some kind of alternative... Isn't the English version slightly different? They have different people? No, it's the same guys. Okay. Yeah, they may have a different chick. No, I think it's all the same guys.

CHAPTER 17 / 42 Discussion

MythBusters, World Trade Center, 9/11 Conspiracy Theories

The television show MythBusters is reportedly planning a $25 million special to investigate the collapse of the World Trade Center towers. The production will involve building a one-third scale replica and using a model airplane donated by Boeing. The hosts express skepticism that the show will challenge official narratives regarding the free-fall speed of the buildings.

mythbusters· world trade center· 9/11· boeing· discovery channel

39:34 It's certainly, what's the name, Adam and... Yeah, okay, Adam and the other guy. Yeah, so it's the same ones. So whenever I latch on to like an alternative energy theory or whatever, you know, people are always jumping on me and say, well look, the MythBusters proved it wasn't true! I love it. Like the MythBusters, like these fucking jabronis are the absolute scientists of the world and they've got it all figured out. They make a TV show. Anyway, They have, I'll just read you a piece from the release, the Mythbusters have finally given in to the pressure the producers have been under for several years now. The show asked the viewers to send their favorites myth in, blahdy blahdy blah. So they're going to do a two hour special about the World Trade Center and they are going to prove or debunk that the towers came down in free fall based upon steel that melted because of jet fuel.

40:29 And the way they're doing this is they're building a one-third scale replica, which still seems pretty damn big to me. No, that doesn't sound right. It'll cost $7 million, that sounds kind of right. The whole production should be about $25 million. Boeing has donated a scale model airplane. They're really going to try and do this. And I'd say goodbye to Mythbusters as a show forever once they do that one. Because they'll never tell the true story, you know that. Well, let's see what happens when the executive producer winds up dead in an alley. Hell yeah. Who else died recently? Oh, you know, Eartha Kitt died, which kind of sucks.

CHAPTER 18 / 42 Discussion

Harold Pinter, Eartha Kitt, Top Gear, British Anti-Americanism

The deaths of Nobel laureate Harold Pinter and entertainer Eartha Kitt are discussed, with Pinter characterized as a frequent critic of American policy. This leads to a critique of the British show "Top Gear" and its portrayal of American stereotypes during a special filmed in the Southern United States. Curry notes that while British media is often anti-American, individual interactions remain friendly.

harold pinter· eartha kitt· top gear· bbc· anti-americanism

41:13 And I've gotten into the habit, which is a sure sign of old guy stuff, I read obituaries. Not the obituary page, but if I'm reading the Financial Times and they have an obituary, a playwright, Britain's Nobel laureate playwright. Harold Pinter died. Yeah. You know, they always die in three, so you had Eartha Kitt, Harold Pinter, and probably another one coming. I thought there was a third one. By the way, that three thing is actually appropriate considering random number theory. So it's not like a... So anyway, the Harold Pinter death, I've heard of him, but then I read his bio. Geez, I got to use hands. Wait a minute, you're like an obit guy too?

41:56 No, once in a while I click on one though. I say well, that's interesting so-and-so died at 90, you know, whatever I think let me just see if I can 91 or 92 and then they put of cancer. Well, yeah, you didn't have cancer He's pretty old. So I mean, I don't think you had the but no no, no, no, no, he didn't die of cancer He died of a heart attack heart heart failure Eartha Kitt died of colon cancer. Oh Okay, well that she's the one that doesn't I don't understand what you know some people they've mentioned something by the way If I die of colon cancer, please don't put that in the paper because then everyone's thinking of my ass I don't like that. I don't want people thinking of my anal cavity when I'm dead just you know Tell him I'm making no suicide like suicide by cop is what I want so anyway You may get it and thanks friend

42:47 So, um... It's right with the... Pinter, I guess he was just an American basher. He just blamed us for everything. Yeah. Like most British people. Is that right? Have you ever seen the Top Gear episode when they go to the United States? Even my wife was offended. And she's Dutch. Really? Yeah, oh yeah. It's totally every single stereotype. They go through the South. And at one point they even paint a white pickup truck with pink letters like I'm gay or something like that. Oh, I vaguely remember. Yeah, I may have seen this one. In fact, they were refused a license or a permit to do another documentary

43:26 ever again unless they had educational quality or value or whatever. But I have to tell you, it was so incredibly biased. And of course, all the stereotypes are there and it's all true. But it was offensive. It really was. Most Brits, they talk about America, they all start to laugh. For a little bit there, we were kind of cool because we had Obama and they're onto it here. They're like, oh, that sucks. But then when they meet you face to face, they fall in love with you. Yeah, well that's typical. People don't understand, you know, the way we talk and the way we come across as being really dumb, that's just the way we are. There's nothing wrong with it. Anyway, Pinter, I still can't find his obituary in the paper. Yeah, somewhere. Anyway, but Ertha Kitt was... You remember her when she was big back in the heyday? Yeah, back in the 1800s I remember her. She was born in 1927.

CHAPTER 19 / 42 Discussion

Martial Law, Educational Dumb-Down, University of California Tuition

A story from a former government worker suggests that the U.S. government abandoned plans for martial law in the 1960s in favor of "dumbing down" the public. Tactics allegedly included switching universities to the quarter system to keep students too busy for activism and introducing tuition at previously free institutions like the University of California. These changes are framed as a deliberate effort to create a more docile population.

lyndon johnson· ronald reagan· university of california· martial law· tuition

44:30 Yeah, hold on a second. Yeah, I'm recording hun. I'm recording. Can I help you? Yeah, but you're opening the door. She doesn't give a shit. She needs a foot rub. Yeah, she just got one the other day. All right, so I got this letter from some guy and I'm gonna publish it probably on my blog or maybe make a column out of it. It's kind of interesting.

45:11 He says that he used to work at the Cheyenne, Wyoming facility. They were building a Cheyenne mountain or whatever it's called for the government and he was working for this colonel that used to be on the White House staff. Wait a minute, didn't you do this last week? Did I do this last week? Yes. So I haven't done anything with this thing. I'm still trying to figure out what venue it is. It needs to be repeated and repeated. Well, repeat it again because then because I did like it and I like basically what you're saying. I don't have it. I only have it in front of me. I had it last week. I just read it. Well, you were going to tell the story. So tell the story again and then we'll repeat it. Yeah, the story is that, you know, the government decided they were going to do martial law during the Lyndon Johnson administration, but the Pentagon kept saying, no, we're not going to do that because it's like ridiculous because you're a wimp.

45:59 And they tried to get Marshall Law passed three times and they finally decided that the real problem in the United States was that we were getting back in the 60s. We were too smart. We're getting too smart. We're getting an educated public. And so they had to pull the plug on it. And they said, we're not going to be in the business of educating people anymore. Let's just dumb them down so we have like a population that is docile. Now do you remember we went through this whole thing and I said they've got New World Order in the history books? Well, the thing I forgot to mention was a couple other aspects. You know, to calm down the college kids during this era is when they developed the quarter as opposed to semester system. Really? Yeah, because they could keep the kids busier because they had more finals. They had three instead of two final exam periods and that would keep them, you know, from... That's a fact. That's fascinating. I didn't know that.

46:56 And then the other thing is if you go to the University of California, they decided to heck with it. You know, we're going to just raise the rent. And in fact, that's one of the things they did. And that's actually Ronald Reagan who decided to add tuition to what was a free school when I went there. You know, it's a state university paid for by the taxpayers. Why am I as a California citizen paying to go to my school? Right. And so they ended that in around 1969 or 1970. And then they cranked the tuition way up, so it's like really expensive. It's almost like what private schools used to be. At state university. at a university owned by the state. And so that keeps the riffraff out, or smart kids who would cause trouble. And then they said, well, let's up the ante one more time. I don't know if it's the majority, but there's an inordinate number of Chinese students

CHAPTER 20 / 42 Discussion

Flight Training, Asian Student Pilots, Hawaii Real Estate

Northern California flight schools are reportedly seeing a massive influx of Asian students, leading to heavy radio traffic with distinct accents. The hosts discuss how Hawaii became a hub for Japanese tourists and pilots, though real estate prices there suffered once long-range aircraft could bypass the islands on trans-Pacific flights.

flight school· cessna 206· hawaii· general aviation· real estate

47:47 who are mostly from, you know, from China and Hong Kong. There was always a lot of Hong Kong students even when I was there. But now they got so many it's almost like a completely Asian campus. And it's kept that way because these kids are, what are they gonna do? Cause trouble? They're gonna get shipped back. Should I tell you something interesting? When I was flying, remember when I flew down to Yosemite to go meet my buddy Lex? You don't remember. Yeah, I do because this is the guy that you meet every number of years and you do it in Yosemite. Right, exactly. So I was flying down in a Cessna 206 and the radio is filled with students, right? Because you know there's just a lot of people flying in California. All of them with Asian accents, almost unintelligible when it comes to their radio, you know, traffic what they're talking about. And I was like, dude, what is this? He says, no, they can't, they can't

48:43 learn how to fly in their hometown, or it's too expensive or whatever, so they all come over here. And throughout the California, the Northern California skies, most radio traffic for general aviation, Asian. Outrageous. Well that brings up a number of potential jokes. Well the jokes are made in the air, believe me, when you're just listening to these people trying to communicate. It's hard to understand what's happening, what pilots are saying anyway. Yeah, I'm reminded of a punchline to the air China catch phrase. You know you've seen us drive now watch us fly I like that that's good. Well. You know the also I know that in Hawaii They a lot of Japanese or you'll learn to fly there because you know Hawaii the Japanese think they own it and

49:37 And so they came, although now that they fly over it, it really screwed them in the real estate. Once the 747-700 or the big, I think it was the 300 or 400 series, the one that could fly, they used to have to stop in Hawaii to get to Asia. Right now they can just pass right over and go straight through. Now they just pass over, the real estate prices collapse there. But they like to come over and take flying lessons and go shooting. They have more gun ranges, indoor gun ranges where you can shoot almost anything you want. And if you look at the Japanese language pamphlets that are all over the place, you just see all the advertisements for all these gun shooting places, karaoke bars, escort services, and flying stuff. I think we need to do a no agenda road trip. We gotta go to Hawaii.

CHAPTER 21 / 42 Discussion

Russian Ruble Devaluation, Oil Revenue, Currency Pegs

Russia has devalued the ruble by approximately 3% in response to falling oil revenues. Dvorak explains the mechanics of currency devaluation and how it relates to oil deals typically conducted in U.S. dollars. The move is intended to maintain domestic revenue levels despite the drop in global commodity prices.

russia· ruble· oil prices· currency devaluation· exchange rates

50:27 Yeah, we should. Although there's a big swarm... Shoot some guns! Get us some bitches and shoot some guns! You know, we can shoot guns here. Yeah, but we want some bitches. There's bitches here too. I just wanted to hear you say it. Hey, let me ask you a question, John. Yes? Because I'm sure that you at one point have been an economic advisor to the government. How does... this just happened in Russia. They devalued the ruble. How do you devalue the money? How is that done? You make an announcement. You send out a press release on PRMarketWire.com. Then you peg it to a different figure. In other words, it was like if it was a one ruble

51:17 or let's say 20 rubles a dollar and you have it and it's indexed against the dollar you just say okay now it's 40. So that's kind of my question is is that always done against the dollar? Is Russia doing this against the dollar? Are other countries expected? It tends to be done against the major currencies which is the dollar, the yen and the euro and then the rest just fall in line. Well I think it's interesting that that's happening. Well it's a for you know isn't Yeah, I guess. Doesn't sound like a... you know, it's always a bad thing when it happens. Well, I understand that they say they're doing it because oil revenues are so much lower, so I guess then if you devalue the currency, then everything you sell... no, wait a minute.

52:10 Let's figure this out. Okay, so they literally said in the Times, literally said they devalue the currency because oil revenues were so low. So that means they have to make... Okay, right. So you're getting $60 a barrel, let's say. Yeah. And let's say the $60 translate, we're just going to do a one-to-one thing. Just to make it easy. The $60 translated to 60 rubles. Right. So now you're getting $30 a barrel. And so you want to still have it translate to 60 rubles, so you cut the currency in half. Well, they didn't do that. Makes sense. You just index it against... because you're doing the oil deals in dollars. Right, okay. Yeah, that's it. It's so that you can buy the... buy the... the peg currency cheaper. Is that right? Yeah. Okay. Well, 3% doesn't sound like a half, but I guess it means something. They only did it 3%? I think so.

CHAPTER 22 / 42 Discussion

William Hill Debt, Internet Filtering, UK Website Ratings

The UK bookmaker William Hill is reportedly struggling to refinance £1.4 billion in debt. Simultaneously, the UK Minister of Culture has proposed a rating system for websites to protect children from inappropriate content, such as bomb-making instructions. The hosts compare these moves to the internet filtering laws currently being debated in Australia.

william hill· internet filtering· uk culture minister· censorship· bookmakers

53:12 Well that's kind of silly. Interesting to see that William Hill, one of the big bookie chains here in the UK, they've got 1.4 billion pounds worth of debt they're trying to refinance. How does a bookie go into debt? I know! Aren't those guys supposed to be like making money off of this? They've got a huge 1.4 billion pound of debt? That doesn't sound right. Yeah. No, it says it right here.

54:03 Well, I'm sure it does. Yeah, well, it's the Financial Times. You've got to believe something at a certain point. And I guess really the big news, which is kind of the news that we'll be talking about for many years to come, is of course what's happening in Australia where they are about to start, or they want to put into law that they're going to filter the internet. So today the Minister of Culture in the United Kingdom came out and said we need ratings for websites. Ah, there you go. Ratings if it's inappropriate for children. And you know, there's thousands of websites that show you how to make a bomb. We have to stop this. Dude, there's thousands of libraries. Close the libraries. Burn the books.

CHAPTER 23 / 42 Discussion

Queen Elizabeth II, Christmas Speech, Pim Fortuyn Assassination

The Queen's annual Christmas speech is criticized for being cold and self-serving, particularly its focus on the charitable works of the Royal Family. Curry compares this to the behavior of the Dutch monarchy, noting that Queen Beatrix remained silent during the national crisis following the assassination of politician Pim Fortuyn.

queen elizabeth ii· christmas speech· pim fortuyn· netherlands· monarchy

54:56 It's fine. It's just out of control. And the news just... Well, the culture minister said we need ratings for the website. To protect the children. They have a culture minister in Australia? No, no, this is the culture minister of the United Kingdom. Oh, you have a culture minister? What's a culture minister? I thought the Queen was the culture minister. Oh man, she's the head reptile. You gotta hold her... Oh, oh dude, here's one for you. So a big cultural deal in the United Kingdom. On Christmas day at 3pm, the Queen's speech to the country. To her... what do you call them? Minions? Subjects. Subjects, that's it.

55:37 and uh... and and we i think we've missed it every single year because you know it's not a nice art is ours up in washington i think i thought they should be thinking broadcast on canadian and i'm sure they do because of course canada is controlled by the queen still and only beyond it's more than just uh... said dressing witness would just happen anyway that i don't want to get into that to get all the canadians pissed off again uh... so i'm like ready for this And so what she does is she starts off and she says, not a smile, right? And just horrible. It's just really cold and impersonal. And the Brits are like, oh, we love watching the Queen's speech. Okay, well watch the Queen's speech. So we're all ready. By the way, Top of the Pops came back for a special hour and a half show before that, which was pretty cool. Anyway.

56:27 She comes on, she says, well, you know, what I've learned is that when I work with people who help others in these trying times, that they truly are fulfilled, that they have fulfilled lives and they truly are happy. And then they switch to this ENG footage of her boys, you know, visiting poor kids and then there's Charles somewhere with African kids. And she's like, well, see this is my family, see how much they do for other people, that's what you should do, Merry Christmas. And that was it. And I'm like, it was absolutely, I was shocked. Yeah, I saw it, that's what I see, they showed the kids, they're always, you know, these... Yeah, but they have no jobs, no kidding! It's easy for them to go around doing good when you have endless...

57:13 Tax money to spend and no job and these are just obvious photo ops Yeah, the guys probably blew in there sat down. Okay took a couple shots, okay? Let me get out of here and there to wash up And I and I've been reading the papers like please tell me that some journalist somewhere some Editorial writer just said what the frig was that? Literally here's my family. They're so great. They help everybody you be all that she threw in a little bit of Jesus there, too You know, a little bit of God love, which is fine. But do you... I mean, I'm sitting there going, does the British public actually eat this shit up? I mean, it was offensive. You should be more like my family, because then you will truly be happy. Well, what can I say? There's still a lot of monarchists in that country. Think it's great to have a queen. I don't know any personally, to be quite honest.

58:14 I've run into a number of them over the years. I've always liked the idea of a monarch, but it really disappointed me in the Netherlands when we had one week before the national general election, the leading politician Pim Fortuyn was assassinated, was shot. And that was the moment when you'd expect the queen, because the whole country was frozen. It was like, wow, what just happened? It was like the scale of JFK. And everyone still knows where they were when Pym got shot. And the queen didn't say anything. I was like, this is a person, she should come out on TV and say, all right, whatever, just make people feel good, kind of like a motherly, matronly type thing. No way, cold, cold as ice.

CHAPTER 24 / 42 Discussion

Belgium Cabinet Collapse, European Parliament, Strasbourg

The Belgian government has collapsed, requiring the King to officially accept the cabinet's resignation. The hosts discuss the "phony" nature of Belgium as a buffer state and the inefficiency of the European Parliament, which rotates its operations between Brussels and Strasbourg at great taxpayer expense.

belgium· european union· brussels· strasbourg· european parliament

59:01 That's because they don't care. They don't love us. They don't love their subjects. Well, they're not supposed to. They're under no obligation. No, you're right. Their job is to fight wars and grab land. That's all they've done their entire lives. How's things going in Belgium, by the way? Have not heard a lot. The last I read is that the king of Belgium, he has to officially decide if he accepts the part because the cabinet fell. But he has to still accept, which is kind of weird, you know, it's like, okay, the cabinet fell, we don't want to work together anymore, and he still has to say, okay, that you're allowed, you're allowed to fall, you know. So he may, I don't know, maybe he has accepted it, but Belgium's a funny country, you won't hear anything about it. It doesn't exist.

59:52 Talking about Silicon Valley, you know, I mean it's like Belgium is a creation, it's a crack, you know, actually Wikipedia, even though I don't think it's a great resource for a lot of stuff, has a pretty good breakdown of it. It's kind of a green zone. It was a creation, it was like a phony baloney thing from the get-go. It was the French and the Dutch and they really didn't like each other and then we kind of got this middle bit, which is like a border, I guess, a really wide border. Yeah, it's a wide border. And isn't it ironic that the wide border called Belgium is actually now running the entire EU? Yeah, Brussels, I know. Only half the time though, because we have to be in Strasbourg, because the French wanted their little power center.

1:00:40 So the government, a lot of people don't know this, but the European Parliament actually moves. They'll be in Brussels one month and then they go to Strasbourg the next month. They've got duplicate offices. It's a huge expense. I would think. Yeah, a lot of travel. You have two offices, two everything, you gotta move back and forth and back and forth? Yeah, I mean... That's inconvenient? No, that's only reserved for people like me. That's ridiculous, well you never move, you're just always in England, you never come over here much. So that's not even true. I was over there for three weeks. That was the one big... No. Yeah, that's not the same as being one month there and then a month here and then a month there and a month here and a month there and a month here like they do with that crazy EU parliament. But you know what? If I was trying to really save the country, then I might consider it. Nah, I think you're overdue. Nah, no no no no man. I'm not coming until February maybe.

CHAPTER 25 / 42 Discussion

Queen's Day, Amsterdam, Gordon Brown, Economic Crisis

Curry plans to visit Amsterdam for Queen's Day on April 30th, a national holiday characterized by massive street parties and a country-wide tax-free flea market. The discussion briefly touches on UK Prime Minister Gordon Brown's role in the credit crisis and the current exchange rate of the British pound against the dollar.

queen's day· amsterdam· gordon brown· credit crisis· flea market

1:01:39 I am overdue for some food. You gotta come over and hang out with me. Yeah, it's just getting to the point where I can afford it. Yeah, it is. It's a dollar forty-six, I think now, for the pound. Oh, that's perfect. That's what it should be. Yeah, it's good. It's always been about a buck fifty, and you're right, that's what it should be. Yeah, it usually fluctuates between a buck 45 and a buck 55 usually. I mean that's what I've always seen and then all of a sudden it goes to two with the inflation you already have over there. Geez. Yeah, the inflation is pretty bad. But you know, Gordon Brown, the guy who was at the helm and steered us right into the credit crisis here in the UK, he's the guy running the show, he's going to save us. So he says,

1:02:30 So I'm going to go to Amsterdam, hopefully in April, and I'm going to go at the end of the month where they have this, what's it called? Queen's Day. Yeah, April 30th is the Queen's birthday. in the Netherlands, although it is not actually her birthday anymore. It is still observed on that day and the cool thing about it is it's a national... Wait, wait, wait, wait, it's not her birthday anymore? Did she change her birthday? I think it was her grandmother's birthday. Okay. But they just kept it on the same day. It's kind of a good day because 30th of April, it's not really cold, you know, everyone can still have hopes for a sunny day.

1:03:09 So the 29th, the evening before, particularly in Amsterdam is where you really want to be, it's just mayhem. And if the weather's nice, then it's crazy. Everyone's just, you know, bar crawling, just drunk off, just tits up drunk. And the next day, everybody can mark out their spot, lay out their little blanket and sell anything you want to sell. uh... no tax no sales tax no nothing so whatever you want it's like one huge flea market the whole country but amsterdam is is probably the best place to be uh... and there's great shit and lots of music and food and a lot of people choose to set up you know that they'll be cooking something and they'll sell that instead of their you know their old radios and you find the weirdest things and usually come home with just lots of other people's junk

CHAPTER 26 / 42 Discussion

Dutch Art, Patricia Paay, Celebrity Tabloids, Fake House Photos

The hosts discuss collecting Dutch art and the fame of Curry's wife, Patricia Paay, in the Netherlands. Curry recounts how Paay misled the tabloids by providing a fake photo of their new house to protect their privacy. They note that while Paay is a major celebrity in Holland, she prefers to avoid large crowds due to the constant public attention.

patricia paay· rembrandt· david bles· tabloids· amsterdam

1:03:57 It's like a recycling program. Yeah, it's a recycling program. Everyone passes on some junk to somebody else. It might be a good time to... I would be trying to scrounge old art. I would think that Amsterdam has a lot of, you know, art. I'll tell you, the old art, and I have a couple pieces, it's not selling. None of that stuff is selling. Good. Yeah, I mean, I'm not looking to sell them, but I do kind of pay attention from time to time to see if any category I have gets hot. It's pretty much like our global warming right now for everything I have. What do you have? I don't want those expensive Rembrandts that you've collected. No, I don't have Rembrandts, but I have a Rouillet, which is French. I have a David Bless, which is a pretty well-known Dutch Jewish painter.

1:04:55 That's significant because of the topics that he paints. And we have another semi-master. And they're just nice paintings. They're beautiful. We like them. We hang them up. We look at them. So if I go to Amsterdam, are you going to come over and be the celebrity friend of mine? Yes, of course. But you'd be like the swamp with people asking for your autograph. Because you're famous there. No, because I have an attitude and I'm six feet tall, no one bothers me. Really? They just stare and point? Yes. And giggle. Oh. Yeah. Why do they giggle? Okay, well maybe they're here. I don't know. I don't know what they're giggling about. Anything. What about Patricia? You want to drag her around? That would be something. No, she won't go because she's five foot...

1:05:42 and it's very, she gets very anxious in those situations because a lot of people, you know, when she's in a crowd of a lot of people, she's basically staring into their belly buttons and it's not a happy experience. She does not like, that's why we moved away. and my wife is so incredibly famous there particularly with all the shows she's doing no matter where she goes if she walks in the shop everyone's gonna look and watch what she's buying you know it's not nice you understand people like Britney Spears and Lindsay Lohan minus the the shaving of the head stuff. So can I come over, can I come visit the abode there in London, take a few shots of her and then sell it to the tabloids in Amsterdam, pick up some money, I'll split it with you. Yeah, you wouldn't be the first, sure, no problem. But we gotta have a story, you know, I mean I got those in's, no problem. You gotta have the right story though, you gotta, and then you, you know, you gotta stick the appropriate picture, you gotta snap the right one, so. Well, you know, you shoot a lot. But there's already been stories about our new house in

1:06:48 in the tabloids. Oh yeah, they'll come looking. They always do. That's why Patricia O'Reilly gave him a picture. Said, here's a picture of the house. Go public. Which it isn't, which is the funniest thing. She just got a picture off of the net somewhere that looks like our house. And she sent it to the journalists and he published it. This is our new house. It's so funny. Yeah, well, I'm sure after they listen to this, they won't be like, although they probably don't. Who listens to this show? Well... We have dedicated listeners, but I don't think the journalist that got the fake picture is one of them. No, they never listen. If they actually listen to any of my shows, man, they could be writing for hours. We got a lot of people, I think, listening on iPhones. You always see these singular.net. I know people listen to the streams on iPhone.

CHAPTER 27 / 42 Discussion

Missing UK Government Art, Swiss Collections, Art Theft

An audit of the UK Government Art Collection revealed that 50 paintings are missing and unaccounted for, with many presumed stolen. The hosts discuss how stolen masterpieces often end up in private Swiss collections because they are too famous to be sold on the open market. Dvorak notes that many museums only display a small fraction of their total holdings at any given time.

government art collection· uk· swiss banks· art theft· mona lisa

1:07:46 Hmm. Yeah, that's kind of cool. Speaking of paintings, at least 50 paintings from the Government Art Collection, which I didn't know existed, I presume something like that would exist, are missing and unaccounted for. What Government Art Collection? The one in England? Yes. Well, it's probably something like the National Gallery in Washington. They have, you know, they have at least a guy, I was walking around looking, I looked at a picture there, I was looking at this picture, I can't remember the artist's name, but it was just really fascinating. I never heard of this guy. He's kind of an American Impressionist or something from around 1820, or 1920, I mean. And I asked one of the guys that stand around to make sure you're not, you know, poking holes in it.

1:08:29 I said, well who is this guy? And I asked him, he said, I don't know, they probably brought that up from down below. They're always moving stuff up and down and up and down. He says, you know, he says only about a quarter of the collection is actually up here. Right, and they rotate it. Because someone's got to have a job. And so they rotate, I mean they keep the classics that everybody wants to see, but then they rotate all this other stuff. But I'm thinking, so three quarters of the paintings or down in the basement, they could, you know, I'm sure stuff could disappear effortlessly. We're talking thousands and thousands of paintings and they probably only inventory it once every few years. Well, of the 50s a lot. But those will show up. They got all these systems in place. No, listen to this, listen to this. So they just did an audit. 50 are unaccounted for. None of them were insured. Some are known to have been stolen, but more than half the total simply disappeared.

1:09:24 The whole collection worth about 100 million pounds, so I'm sure that there's some nice pieces that have walked out. Well, you know, the biggest, so they say in the art world, instigators of this sort of thing are the Swiss. Oh? Yeah, the paintings all end up in these Swiss collections that never go on the auction block, never show up in galleries, they're just in somebody's house. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. Because the Swiss are less likely, I mean, they apparently, you know, if you know, you can't steal a great painting and get away with it. And sell it. No, you can't sell it. No, you're stuck with it. So if you want, if you steal his painting... Like it's a horror movie, you're stuck with that frickin' Mona Lisa. I'm gonna slap that bitch's smile off her face one of these days.

1:10:13 Well, that was stolen by the way. I know. I don't mean stuck with it, but if it's a painting you don't like, you're stuck with it. But if it's a painting, yeah, you can put it up on your walls, claim it's... I'd have a piece like that and I'd say, yeah, I had it copied in China. This is a pretty no no no we're supposed to do is when you're sitting around with all your uh... illuminati brethren you sit there and you uh... pet your white pussy in you smoke your cuban cigar and you look at your stolen painting and you enjoy it because you are sophisticated much more sophisticated than the we people some more than you do but you have to i think if you're gonna do it that we have to push a button and then i'll let you know wall revolves right with with perfect lighting of course goes without saying and the the the dougie

CHAPTER 28 / 42 Discussion

Vatican Secret Archives, Marco Polo, Dutch Socialist Art

A story from a Vatican PR official describes the "bowels" of the Vatican's art collection, which allegedly contains secrets about the Illuminati and historical documents like Marco Polo's divorce decree. This is contrasted with a former Dutch socialist program where citizens could borrow art from the government on a rotating basis to display in their homes.

vatican· marco polo· illuminati· netherlands· art circulation

1:09:24 The whole collection worth about 100 million pounds, so I'm sure that there's some nice pieces that have walked out. Well, you know, the biggest, so they say in the art world, instigators of this sort of thing are the Swiss. Oh? Yeah, the paintings all end up in these Swiss collections that never go on the auction block, never show up in galleries, they're just in somebody's house. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. Because the Swiss are less likely, I mean, they apparently, you know, if you know, you can't steal a great painting and get away with it. And sell it. No, you can't sell it. No, you're stuck with it. So if you want, if you steal his painting... Like it's a horror movie, you're stuck with that frickin' Mona Lisa. I'm gonna slap that bitch's smile off her face one of these days.

1:10:13 Well, that was stolen by the way. I know. I don't mean stuck with it, but if it's a painting you don't like, you're stuck with it. But if it's a painting, yeah, you can put it up on your walls, claim it's... I'd have a piece like that and I'd say, yeah, I had it copied in China. This is a pretty no no no we're supposed to do is when you're sitting around with all your uh... illuminati brethren you sit there and you uh... pet your white pussy in you smoke your cuban cigar and you look at your stolen painting and you enjoy it because you are sophisticated much more sophisticated than the we people some more than you do but you have to i think if you're gonna do it that we have to push a button and then i'll let you know wall revolves right with with perfect lighting of course goes without saying and the the the dougie

1:10:59 Go ahead. I was going to say that the Dutch socialist system 20 years ago, I don't know if they still do it, there were lots of artists and artists can study art for free at school because it's a socialist system, unlike what we discussed with the US state government run institutions. But the deal was, all the art they made, you could actually go and on a rotating basis, you could pick up three or four paintings, maybe a sculpture, put it in your house for six months, and then after six months you bring it back and you get some other stuff that some students had made. They put it into circulation within society, which I always thought was kind of cool.

1:11:41 Well, you know, there's a bunch of museums that do that. The Oakland Museum has a collection that rotates around. The University of California has a pretty big art collection that they used to loan out. I think they had to take insurance out or something. I think that's it. Oh, I'm sure. Yeah. And anyway, so I mean, I don't think it's totally out of the... out of the ordinary. Now anyway, talking about these buried art collections, the reason I mentioned it, so I went to this, I had this event I went to in Korea and met the public relations guy. Did I tell you about this? The public relations guy from the Vatican. He's like the Pope's PR guy. This rings a bell, but I don't think it was on the show. I mean, please, tell me. So anyway, he says he invited me to go visit the Vatican when I get a chance.

1:12:29 and he'll take me into the bowels of the Vatican art collection and the collection of all this crazy stuff that they put down there, you know, the stuff about the Illuminati and all those secrets. So, he says, not too many people get down there, but he says, it's really interesting. And he says, he was roaming around down there recently, I just imagine the place, you know, dripping. And he says, and he found Marco Polo's Divorce decree excellent. I guess it was an annulment right but Fantastic, I thought that would be kind of a one-upsmanship thing to do. Oh, yeah, I have to actually do these things instead of just sitting here at home Yeah, I know what you mean. I dream a lot too according to the Swedish trade journal Dagen Medicina Nobel Media because we were talking about this last week, and I picked this story up Nobel Web

CHAPTER 29 / 42 Discussion

Nobel Prize Bribery, AstraZeneca, HPV Vaccine Controversy

AstraZeneca is accused of influencing the Nobel Committee to award the Prize for Medicine to Harald zur Hausen for his work on the HPV virus. The company holds patents for the Gardasil and Cervarix vaccines, leading to allegations that the prize was essentially purchased to validate the pharmaceutical product.

nobel prize· astrazeneca· hpv vaccine· gardasil· harald zur hausen

1:13:28 Some Nobel affiliated corporations are accused of taking many millions of dollars from AstraZeneca, who of course hold the patents for the HPV, that's the cervical cancer vaccine, Gardasil. and severics in Europe. You may recall, so we talked about the difference in Nobel prizes. A Nobel Prize for medicine was given to the German scientist, Harald Zurhauser, for the discovery of this so-called virus which is killing children, the vaccine at least. And he got a Nobel Prize and so now there's accusations that AstraZeneca, who of course makes this, you know, basically bought it.

1:14:12 Oh. Yeah. That's good. That's good. People should know the truth about these. Well, why? Well, it's good to know... You're right. Just let people sleep on. Yes, let them, you know, we don't need that, you know, these riots in the street. Yes, we do. Food riots. Food riots. When people are hungry, then we're gonna need them. Of course, of course we need that. As long as they don't tear down the deli. Yeah, oh boy I would take some precautions. Well, how many people live up there in Port Angeles? Not a lot. I think about 20,000 Okay, you could feed everyone maybe 15 you could feed everyone. Yeah. Well, you know, they got the Border Patrol, you know This is this homeland security USA They got these guys called Border Patrol now up there and because you know, they declared the border to be a hundred miles deep Yeah, that's the Constitution Free Zone as we call it, right?

CHAPTER 30 / 42 Discussion

Constitution Free Zone, Border Patrol Checkpoints, Posse Comitatus

The "Constitution Free Zone" is described as a 100-mile-deep area along the U.S. border where Fourth Amendment rights are curtailed. The website CheckpointUSA.org is highlighted for filming encounters with Border Patrol agents. The hosts express concern that military personnel returning from Iraq are being used for domestic law enforcement training, potentially violating the spirit of Posse Comitatus.

border patrol· constitution free zone· checkpointusa.org· civil liberties· military training

1:15:17 And according to my wife, she says that, you know, because she has to drive to another city every couple of days, she says these guys are, you know, they're pulling people over. Yeah, illegal search and seizure. Yeah, constantly. Yeah. And making them open their trunk and, you know, whatever. You can't say no. There's a guy who has a website, you gotta see it. It's checkpointusa.org. and he films every single, and it's great to see because he knows the very simple laws of the country and the Constitution and so they stop him and he's filming the whole thing and he keeps saying, am I being detained? Of course they won't say yes or no and they say, are you an American, all they're asking is, are you an American citizen? And he won't answer the question, because of course he doesn't have to. And he says, am I being detained? Answer the question. Am I being detained? And it goes on, it goes on for like 20 minutes!

1:16:12 and then pull over to secondary. Am I being detained? And they won't answer it, and so he just doesn't do it, and he just stands there. And eventually, every single video, they wind up letting him go because he just knows his rights and just sit there and said, I'm not gonna take this shit from you. And I think Mimi should do the same. She hasn't been pulled over yet. No, she will. Is she American? Is she an American citizen? Yeah. Yeah? Is she gonna tell them when they ask her? She's gonna probably... I don't know what she's gonna tell them. She could blow up. That would be not good. I didn't know your wife was an IED. She will give them lip. See that's the problem. If you try to do that, it never works. Well maybe she won't. Show her those videos. She drives a van. It's like they don't pull people over in big vans. Of course! Are you kidding me? Because they're expecting a hundred illegal immigrants to be in the back.

1:17:15 We're talking about what is the immigrants coming in from Canada from? Are these illegal Canadians? Yes! Damn it! Someone has to clean my toilet. Let the Canadians do it! Move these guys down to the south. It's unbelievable. There's something else going on. Oh, you think John, you think that this is exactly If you look at all these checkpoints, and you'll see it on that guy's blog, I'm just presuming the guy has his data right, it rings all around the United States. It's a hundred miles and it's called the Constitution Free Zone. And the entire outline of the 50 states of America now has all these checkpoints set up. And hell yeah, can't you see the net closing in? It's pretty obvious to me.

1:18:02 I think it's to keep people from leaving. Of course, that's exactly what it is. And it's to keep you away from the border and to keep you in fear. And pretty soon we'll have the military at these checkpoints. You know that's going to happen. Well, you know, there's already this discussion about the military, you know, helping out. It's called training. It's just a training exercise. These guys and gals were in Iraq. They're hardened. They're coming back and now they need training. What? How to be compassionate? Apparently they use these guys for a checkpoint, military guys, for a checkpoint down in Santa Barbara or someplace down there just as a kind of a, you know, let the military pull some drunks over. Yeah, DUI, yeah.

CHAPTER 31 / 42 Discussion

San Francisco Homelessness, Big Thinkers Hats, TechTV

John C. Dvorak describes his habit of handing out "Big Thinkers" hats from his time at TechTV to homeless people in the San Francisco Bay Area. The hosts discuss the increasing visibility of poverty in both California and London, noting that people in San Francisco have become jaded to the presence of beggars at freeway exits.

san francisco· homelessness· techtv· big thinkers· humanitarianism

1:18:55 It's against the law, right? Yes, it's illegal. We also talked about this last week, but I don't mind repeating it because it's a huge deal. I know I challenged you to give me the information about the Southern California thing. I sent it to you. You sent me a link, but I still haven't seen this. Like I said, if I saw it personally, I saw this. Yeah, I showed you video that wasn't good enough. It has to be, you have to actually, well why don't you get in your car, Get off your inner tube, put your butt in your car and go find one and tape it because it's gonna happen. You'll bump into it. If I find one, I'll tape it. I met a girl in the coffee shop right around the corner from the new house. She's from San Francisco. Cute girl. And I said, so what are you doing here? She says, going to school and I'm gonna work as hard as I can. I don't ever want to go back.

1:19:45 You bitter, so it's going to be shit in America. I don't want to be there anymore. So you think it's going to be any better here? Which I've also noticed. I think it will be worse there. I agree. I think it will be. And I'm seeing more and more people stop me on the street begging for money in London. In San Francisco, everyone's jaded and used to it. And I'm always a good target. People are always coming up to me. I guess I don't look threatening enough. They won't ask me for my autograph, but they'll try and bum a cigarette or a quarter off of me any day.

1:20:22 and I'm seeing more of that in London. So yeah. I like to, I like, especially guys on the freeway exits which are all over the place, you know, these guys are at every exit. Only in America, by the way, you don't see that in many other countries. Yeah, I know, it's weird, but actually mostly in the Bay Area, you don't see it in many other cities. But the, I always, I try to keep, and I haven't done it much recently, and I think I only have a few left, I try to keep a box of baseball caps in the car that were taken from tech TV years ago that say big thinkers.

1:20:59 And you hand that out to people asking you for money? Yeah. Well, most of them need a hat. And so I give them a big thinker's cap. And it's something, especially when the show was still being aired. John, you're such a humanitarian. I always found it highly amusing. And I think it brightened many people's days to see a guy with a sign begging for money with a hat that says big thinker. That wasn't cruel, was it? It pretty much borders on shooting kittens. No, it doesn't. The guy's got a nice hat. The guy wants to eat. He's got a nice hat. It's alright, don't worry about it. Obama's gonna save him. It's all good.

CHAPTER 32 / 42 Discussion

San Francisco Parking, California Bankruptcy, Bank Holding Companies

San Francisco is criticized for its aggressive parking enforcement and high meter rates, which the hosts view as a profit center rather than a traffic management tool. The discussion shifts to California's $46 billion budget deficit, with Dvorak suggesting the state should apply for TARP funds by declaring itself a bank holding company.

san francisco· arnold schwarzenegger· bankruptcy· tarp· parking meters

1:21:46 So anyway, yeah, no, I also, if I have food, I'll give them food. I usually don't carry a lot of money with me, you know, just to give away to people for my car. But the hat. The hat was thoughtful. How about that bag of quarters you're always toting around in your car? You need those quarters because you know a lot of people you know, it's 15 minutes traveling to San Francisco Let me give you some advice anyone that thinks you're gonna be a tourist do not go to San Francisco It's the worst place in the world Yes quaint. It's got a cable cars, you know, we got some hookers and but still Go look at the cable car, you know, go up and down the cable car and go look at the Golden Gate Bridge and drive around for a few minutes. Go down the world's crookedest street and take a trip to Alcatraz and then get out because it's a horrible place. There's bums and homeless and criminals everywhere. Everyone's on the cell phone talking to somebody and bumping into each other, it's very dangerous.

1:22:46 and the parking, like a metered parking meter, that's why I got this bag of quarters, it's five minutes for a quarter. Five? I thought it was 15. It's five? Five. So by the time you're done loading the quarters up, you've lost your first five minutes, you've got to put another quarter in. It's unbelievable. No wonder outcalls for hookers are so expensive. They've got to pay for all that parking. Anyway, it's like, you know, it's a profit center. Those parking meters are supposed to be instituted like they have them in France with the blue disc and, you know, you put the disc up there or... The parking was always supposed to be monitored to keep them moving. You wanted to have a timer that said, okay, you've been here that long. So, you know, they were all panties. They weren't supposed to be profit centers.

1:23:39 you know, to make money off of you. The city's supposed to encourage people to be there and have a good time and do whatever they want, but this city of San Francisco discourages people from coming to it. Certainly with a vehicle. So I would say, I would say don't go to San Francisco ever. What a great endorsement. You could be in one of those Schwarzenegger, come to California ads. You and Maria and Arnold would be great. California itself may be a questionable place to visit. Well, 46 billion dollars in the hole and looks like... it's going belly up I don't know how that works when when it when a state actually just goes bankrupt what happens? They don't pay anybody anything that they owe them. They're bankrupt. Right, so then does that mean the cops stop functioning? They just stop working and... Well you know they hope that they volunteer. Really? It'll really come down to that? You won't get some kind of... I mean can't it can't California become a bank holding company and qualify for some TARP?

1:24:40 Maybe. I mean, in fact, if I were Schwarzenegger, I'd be trying that. We're not going to, we're going to be a bank holding company, our state of California, and we're going to need some of that money. I don't know what they're going to do. All I know is that the state, the New York state's also in trouble and the city of New York is close to being bankrupt. Well, the city of New York took all the pension money. That's how they're solving it, is by literally taking, and they admit it, just that we're taking the pension money. Yeah, that's some solution isn't it you come over here man? You're not gonna want to go back. You're gonna want to stay because this is the epicenter right here, but your house No this country. It's still the British Empire. That's what's going on so I keep my enemies close Yeah, well there's some truth to that at least Certainly in the in the financial world there is you bet you kidding me. Oh, you know the Brits have always been the you know

CHAPTER 33 / 42 Discussion

Economic Devaluation, Asset Stripping, Global Wealth Transfer

The hosts argue that the current economic collapse is a deliberate "buying spree" for the elite. By blowing up a bubble and then crashing the currency, bankers can use their bonuses to buy up land, companies, and houses at deflated prices. This is framed as a massive transfer of wealth from the public to the financial class.

deflation· asset stripping· bankers· wealth transfer· economic bubble

1:25:44 the big shots in that arena, although they really screwed up on this last one, I have to say. Well, it got out of control and got way too big and everybody was way too greedy, but I'm still convinced that the bubble bursting is intended to happen. I see it in very simple terms. Blow it up, then steal the money, trillions of dollars and pounds and euros and whatever, that went straight to the bankers. They all paid themselves, they all got their bonuses and then so we know the first 120 billion went straight into bonuses. Take that money, you know, and then ride the wave of the devaluation and, you know, spread it out, maybe pounds, euros, yen, whatever, make sure you got something everywhere, and then go and then leave. And then you go on a buying spree.

1:26:31 Well, next is... If you devalue, I mean the whole deflation thing... Exactly. Then they buy up all of the assets. They've got all the companies cheap, buy all the land cheap, buy all the houses cheap. Absolutely. Yeah. Yeah. So first they needed to get the money. That just took place. Have you not received this thing circulating the internet? I've seen two versions of it. One is about acorns. The other is about monkeys. No, I've seen neither one. I don't get spam. It's not spam. My friends send it to me. And let me just read it to you because it's, if I can find it, it's essentially a simple way to understand what happened with the bailout and, oh man, see this is where we need like a commercial break or something so I can go and find it. Or you could just say something.

CHAPTER 34 / 42 Discussion

Calvin and Hobbes, Economic Subsidies, WordPress 2.7

A 15-year-old Calvin and Hobbes comic strip is cited as a perfect prediction of the modern bailout culture, featuring Calvin demanding subsidies for his failed lemonade stand. The hosts also briefly discuss technical issues with WordPress 2.7, which has reportedly caused their blog to crash repeatedly since the upgrade.

calvin and hobbies· wordpress· supply and demand· subsidies· lemonade stand

1:27:28 Well, you know, I was thinking that I had on the blog a very funny cartoon from Kelvin and Hobbes. It's apparently 15 years old, which more or less described the situation, I thought, in a cartoon form better than anything I've run into elsewhere. And can we share this with the listeners? Well, it's hard to because you can't see the cartoon. But let me, I'll tell you what, if the blog's running, which of course, we've had nothing but trouble since we upgraded to 2.7, turns out. Oh really? What kind of trouble? This is a WordPress thing? Well, this is what somebody on Twitter told us, said, you know, I've had nothing but trouble since I went to 2.7 and this is what you did. Because the blog's crashing, it's like a mess. I mean, right now it's up, I'm glad for that. There's some really screwy stuff on here. I'll find it, it's a cartoon just within a couple days, you get it.

1:28:25 It's a title, 15 year old cartoon predicts the future. It starts off with Calvin and this little girl whose name I can't remember. She goes up to him and he's got a lemonade stand and she says, 15 bucks a glass which it says, and he says, that's right, you want some? And she says, how do you justify charging $15? He says, supply and demand. She turns around, there's nobody there. She says, where's the demand? I don't see any demand. He says, there's lots of demand. Yeah, sure, as the sole stockholder in this enterprise, I demand monstrous profits on my investment. And as president and CEO of the company, I demand an exorbitant annual salary.

1:29:06 And, as my own employee, I demand a high hourly wage and all sorts of company benefits. Then there's overhead and actual production costs. She points at the lemonade and says, but it looks like you just threw a lemon in some sludge water. Well, I have to cut expenses somewhere if I want to stay competitive. Then she says, what if I got sick from that? And he says, caveat emptor is the motto we stand behind. I'd have to charge more if we followed health and environmental regulations. She walks off saying, you're out of your mind, I'm going home to drink something else. And he says, sure, put me out of a job, it's your anti-business types who ruin the economy. He sulks, goes over to his mom and says, I need to be subsidized. That's a good one.

CHAPTER 35 / 42 Discussion

Monkey Parable, Financial Bailout, Market Manipulation

Adam Curry recounts a parable about a man buying monkeys from a village at increasing prices to illustrate the mechanics of the financial bailout. In the story, an assistant sells the villagers their own monkeys back at a "discount" before both con artists disappear, leaving the villagers with worthless assets.

monkey parable· bailout· market manipulation· con artist· financial crisis

1:29:54 It is actually quite funny. Um, hold on, let me just, uh, Safari is fucking me up here. Oh boy. So I guess you, all that, I went through all that rigmarole and you still can't find it. That's okay, why don't we, you can do it next week. Hold on, yeah, um, the problem is, oh please, oh don't crash, please don't crash. Safari, oh man. Safari crashed. Yeah. And, uh, and it's like hosing out the entire computer. I'm trying, oh, I'm trying to quit it. Oh, please. Safari is taking down the show. Ah, okay. I was able to quit it. Oh, thank you Steve Jobs. You're fantastic. Okay, so the story is very simple. There was a village and one day a guy came to the... I'm doing this from memory, it's pretty simple. And one day a guy came to the village and said, I'll give you $20 for every monkey you can deliver to me. So the townspeople go out and they start getting some monkeys, they bring them back and he pays them 20 bucks for each monkey.

1:30:54 and then he comes back the next day and says, hey, you know what, monkeys are pretty hot now. I'll give you 25 bucks for every monkey. So, townspeople go out. It's a little bit harder, you know, because they've got a shitload of monkeys for 20 bucks. But they find some, they bring them back, and the guy pays them 25 bucks per monkey. Next day he comes back, he says, I'm going to give you 50 bucks for, the monkeys are so hot right now, I'll give you 50 bucks for every monkey you can deliver to me. And the townspeople are like, and his assistant came with him. because he had to leave and go back to the city. So his assistant stayed there and the townspeople, you know, they tried but they couldn't find any monkeys so the assistant says, hey look, listen, here's what I'll do. I got like a hundred monkeys. I'll sell them to you guys for 35 and then when he comes back, you sell it to him for 50. And of course he sells the $35 monkeys to the townspeople and neither of the guys come back and that is exactly what the bailout is all about.

CHAPTER 36 / 42 Discussion

Boxing Day, Woolworths Liquidation, Retail Collapse

Boxing Day in the UK saw thousands of shoppers storming stores like Selfridges for deep discounts as the retail sector faces a crisis. Woolworths is officially going out of business, resulting in 27,000 job losses and the liquidation of all store fixtures, including employee lockers. Analysts expect 15 more major retail chains to fail within the next six months.

boxing day· woolworths· retail crisis· liquidation· selfridges

1:31:53 That's funny. Yeah, but I like that because you know people can understand a story like that. That's exactly what happened. It's a con. Yes, thank you. Con, indeed. And not the kind of con that we like in the south of France. Alright, so, anything else? How was your Christmas by the way? We never talked about it. It was treeless. Oh? Yeah, we had no tree. We were in the middle of boxes. We knew this would happen. Do you guys have boxing day? Yeah, I'm not quite sure what Boxing Day actually is, other than a reason for 10,000 idiots to line up at Selfridges and storm down the doors at 7am.

1:32:38 Which is what happened. Well, it means, you know, when I first saw Boxing Day, which was in Canada, I was there, I guess... That's the Gift Exchange Day, isn't it? Yeah, but I never knew that. I thought it was like some day that it was the Boxer Rebellion or there was some match gonna be a boxing match. I had no idea what it meant. And then I feel somebody told me I was an idiot. Box your old gifts up and take them back. Oh, really? Well, all these stores are going out of business and retailers in battle at dawn is the headline in the Financial Times and literally 10,000 people rushing in to get all these deals before all these companies go out of business. They expect 15 retail chains to go in the next six months.

1:33:25 Really? Yeah, no, it's really bad and you know Woolworths went out of business. I told you that they're literally selling the lockers the employee lockers now at somebody's will come in handy Yeah for what I don't know people buy it how many stores have employee lockers Woolworths has been around for a long time. You know, they're old-fashioned old-school 27,000 employees out as of January 5th But I'm gonna get me a damn cheap set of TVs, that's for sure. Oh yeah, there should be some good deals on televisions. Oh, fantastic deals. What's a good deal there? Because we have right here in Costco, we have the 42-inch plasmas going for $6.79 or so.

CHAPTER 37 / 42 Discussion

Plasma TV Prices, Wine Cellars, Pacific Northwest Seepage

The hosts discuss the plummeting prices of 50-inch plasma TVs and the abundance of wine bargains resulting from the economic downturn. Dvorak describes his natural wine cellar in Port Angeles, Washington, and the challenges of maintaining constant temperatures and preventing seepage in the sandy soil of the Pacific Northwest.

plasma tv· wine cellar· costco· port angeles· humidity

1:34:14 And I thought that was a pretty good price, but now I'm starting to see 50 inchers going for like 700. Yeah, I saw a 50 inch plasma and it was marked at 425 pounds. Oh, that's good. So that's probably just a little bit under that price, not much. But yeah, it's like they're doing 70% off. I mean, it's been amazing. And we buy a bed, it was a $2,000 bed, 700 pounds. It's a... You know, there's better... Yeah, now's the time to spend more money. Yeah, I want to help the economy pump some money in. There's even wine bargains all over the place too, which is kind of problematic. Why is that problematic? Well, I've got so much wine in my cellar now because of all these deals that I... Oh, you don't have any place to store anything? Is that it? No, I got plenty of places. I got a whole basement, but it's like I don't, you know, I got a...

1:35:09 I know what my drinking process is. I drink a lot of mostly samples to decide what to buy and I can't keep buying stuff that... I just got too much, you can't drink fast enough. There's some people that have these wine cells with like 10,000 bottles in them. I think, what are you gonna do with this stuff? You can't get through it. Too much of it will go bad, because wine doesn't necessarily age, unless some wines do, but not all of them. What are you doing with a cellar this size?

1:35:44 Now do you have a drinking setup in your cellar so you can actually crack a bottle there and sit down and drink? In my cellar up in Port Angeles I do. Oh, that's hot. And it's humidified and it's got all the groovy rags. It's too cold in there to drink, believe me. Oh, so it's just cold? Yeah, it's all, the cellar up there, I mean this one here is a natural cellar, the one up there is cold actually. So I think it's probably a degree or two too cold. Oh, so you don't have a constant temperature? Should it be kept at some... It is a constant temperature, it's constantly cold. Constantly cold, I know, you know what I'm asking obviously. It's like, doesn't it have to be... No, I don't have all that gear. I have a natural cellar, I don't need it. You know, if I was living in Arizona, yeah, I'd probably have something like that. You're au naturel.

1:36:33 You slay me. The French have them, they're very common. But they're really cool because it's like above ground and it's like, because you don't, you really, cellars in the Pacific Northwest where we are is not, it's a sandy soil and it's just gonna have a lot of seepage. I mean, it's just not a good idea.

1:37:11 I mean, you have to have big thick cement walls. It's not worth doing. But a shea is really a good concept and you just walk in, you can set it up with a little tasting bar in there and you'd have all your stuff stacked up. It's kind of cool. It'll never happen. I was just going to say, why don't you crank up the digger? I'll be right over. On my way. Just need to rent a bulldozer. This is interesting. I just got an email from someone. Regular dropper, no agendist here. I'm guessing you've moved to bleep bleep by now and thought you might want to know what the nightlife's like there. Guy knows exactly where I'm moving. Huh. How does he know that? I think you must have mentioned it on one of your shows. No, I've never mentioned it. I've said SW4.

CHAPTER 38 / 42 Discussion

Hemp History, Levi Strauss, Spliffs 2, Marijuana Laws

The book "Spliffs 2" provides a history of hemp and marijuana, noting that 19th-century American farmers were once legally obligated to grow hemp for industrial use. The original Levi Strauss blue jeans and Henry Ford's experimental car were both made from hemp. The hosts discuss the plant's historical importance for rope and textiles before its prohibition.

hemp· levi strauss· marijuana· henry ford· spliffs 2

1:36:33 You slay me. The French have them, they're very common. But they're really cool because it's like above ground and it's like, because you don't, you really, cellars in the Pacific Northwest where we are is not, it's a sandy soil and it's just gonna have a lot of seepage. I mean, it's just not a good idea.

1:37:11 I mean, you have to have big thick cement walls. It's not worth doing. But a shea is really a good concept and you just walk in, you can set it up with a little tasting bar in there and you'd have all your stuff stacked up. It's kind of cool. It'll never happen. I was just going to say, why don't you crank up the digger? I'll be right over. On my way. Just need to rent a bulldozer. This is interesting. I just got an email from someone. Regular dropper, no agendist here. I'm guessing you've moved to bleep bleep by now and thought you might want to know what the nightlife's like there. Guy knows exactly where I'm moving. Huh. How does he know that? I think you must have mentioned it on one of your shows. No, I've never mentioned it. I've said SW4.

1:37:58 But he actually has the street. Oh, he's probably with MI6. Yeah, and he's giving me some tips on where to go get hammered. I did check though, I did a walk around today. Not a single, at least not that I could see, not a single CCTV camera in the square. I wish I was very happy. Oh, that's nice. Yeah, it's very nice to know you're not being spied upon by the government. Yeah, so yeah, that won't last for a while at least I hope oh man. Yeah They may be hidden. No, no, no, no. They don't bother? No, they don't do that yet. So anyway, Christmas was in between boxes. We're very low key, because we always... And this has been this way since Christina was a baby. Every day is Christmas with us. So it's not a... Patricia and I, or Patricia mainly, we'll cook a nice meal and we'll sit down and we have a good time and we'll watch a movie together.

1:38:57 But we generally, you know, there's always a gift exchange and it's more about the, you know, I always ask for books. So my daughter gave me the book Spliffs 2, which is the second volume of the history of marijuana and hemp, which is such a nice present. It's the gift that keeps on giving. Is it printed on hemp? I don't think so. That actually would have been, let me just check, that would have been Smart I guess. Oh, it'd be cool. Probably stink up the place though See Tim Pilcher wrote this course by the way now somebody's gonna write in you know it doesn't smell I use hemp I wear him clothes well There is and first of all it's kind of cool because it has a like a burn hole in the cover Which is intentional, but it is an actual hole

1:39:51 which anyone who is a spliffmeister will know. But yeah, it does go in quite a lot of detail. In fact, it has some interesting facts in here that in the mid to late 1800s, farmers in the United States were obligated by law to grow hemp. and they were paid for it, but they couldn't just grow anything else. They had to use a portion of their farmland for the growth of hemp because it was very important at the time. It was a great industrial thing. Yeah, rope and other things. Well, not just rope, well blue jeans, the original blue jeans of course were made of hemp. Levi Strauss. Is that right? Yes.

CHAPTER 39 / 42 Discussion

Famous Stoners, Bing Crosby, Queen Victoria, Cannabis Medicine

A list of famous historical figures who used cannabis includes Bing Crosby, who reportedly used it to maintain his mellow demeanor, and Queen Victoria, who used cannabis tinctures for medicinal purposes. The segment cites an 1890 article from The Lancet where the Queen's physician praised cannabis as a valuable medicine.

bing crosby· queen victoria· cannabis· medicine· the lancet

1:40:36 You didn't know that? Yeah, the original blue jeans from the Levi Strauss company, oops, I just lost the channel of my microphone, there we go, which is I think still based in San Francisco. Yeah. Yeah, the original blue jeans were made out of hemp. Henry Ford, we talked about that last week, Henry Ford made a hemp car, which was, there's a YouTube video of people actually banging the car with a crowbar, not dented. Yeah, yeah, we mentioned that last week. We're even now. But, you know, I'm just saying there's a mention of it. And what's cool is they have the top 50 stoners, all the people who were well-known smokers. Who are the top 50 stoners? I mean, give me a couple of the top five. Well, I'll give you a couple. How about Bing Crosby? Really? Well, according to the book, the King of Croon maintained his mellow demeanor thanks to a few tokes on the herb.

1:41:42 And you know what, I believe... Well, you know, musicians, I mean, you have to assume that most people in the music business are, you know... Yeah. Well, so I'll give you a couple more. Willie Nelson, of course we know about Willie. Whitney Houston, but she smoked a lot more than marijuana. The obvious, you know, Mick Jagger, Paul McCartney, Louis Armstrong, of course all the jazz guys, they sang about it in their songs in many different titles. Like, have any of you heard them sing about the Mez? No, give me some more surprise names like Crosby. Okay. Queen Victoria? Queen Victoria? Not an actual stoner as such. Old Vic used to neck back bottles of cannabis tincture to help her ease her savage period pains. Nicely put.

1:42:32 Her physician, Sir J. Russell Reynolds, reported in the first issue of the Lancet in 1890 that he had been prescribing cannabis for 30 years and he considered it, quote, one of the most valuable medicines we possess. This typical use of marijuana for medicinal purposes surely had her royalty high and most amused. Okay, that's cool. uh... williamsville highnesses of your dad the royalty high is the way he wrote a agree you should have edited this book uh... william shakespeare uh... newt gingrich well norman mailer no surprise allen ginsburg uh... may have hunter thompson yeah right uh... jay and silent bob now there's a shocker uh... larry hagman morgan freeman robert mitchell

CHAPTER 40 / 42 Discussion

Carrie Fisher, Cary Grant, LSD in Hollywood, Script Doctors

Carrie Fisher is highlighted for her career as a Hollywood "script doctor" and her humorous anecdotes about her parents, Debbie Reynolds and Eddie Fisher. She recounts a story where her mother sent her to Cary Grant for a lecture on drugs, only for Grant to spend the time praising the benefits of LSD.

carrie fisher· cary grant· lsd· debbie ryanolds· script doctor

1:43:27 Robert Altman, Jack Nicholson, Jane and Peter Fonda, Cary Grant, and Diane Cannon? Whoa. Kerry Grant was also a huge LSD promoter. Didn't he used to do Acid with Nicholson? I don't know. I wasn't there. It was before my time. No, it wasn't before your time. You just weren't there. Kerry Fisher was on the Shootout show with Peter Guber and Peter Bart. And she's actually quite funny. I didn't realize it. She's a script fixer. Kerry Fisher?

1:44:03 Yeah, the actress apparently yeah, yeah, wait a minute job is she's a writer. Oh, yeah, it's a huge job Yeah, no and in fact like a mercenary says that this category of writer are called the body and fender people in Hollywood And she then they showed her could the credits is she'd wrote on she fixed a lot of scripts and And she says, you know, you have to do it in the way she described how you had to do it. And she's always wanted to be a writer. She never wanted to be an actress anyway. And she's kind of chubbed out. But she was very funny, I thought. She had a lot of one-liners and she apparently writes humor into the scripts. But she talked about the fact that her mom, she was I guess having problems with drugs or something when she was young and her mom decided that she's gonna have her get a lecture from Cary Grant. Well, and we just have to say her mom of course is... Who didn't know? Debbie Reynolds is her mom of course.

1:44:56 Yeah, Debbie Reynolds is her mom and so she made Cary Grant and apparently Debbie Reynolds didn't know that Cary Grant was, you know, just a... LSD stoner. Excellent. A stoner. Yeah, we'll have Cary come over. All she got was these lectures about how great LSD was. Fantastic. I bet she did a lot. Could be. I don't know, she didn't say. Wow. Yeah, Eddie Fisher and Debbie Reynolds. or her parents. Yeah, so, uh, it was very amusing. The show, which is one of my favorite shows, and I have to look it up because I just watched it the last night before I went to bed, um, I guess they're taking it off of AMC and they're either killing the show or they're moving it someplace else. I've never seen it.

CHAPTER 41 / 42 Discussion

Shootout TV Show, Michael Bay, Canadian Film Subsidies

The AMC show "Shootout" (formerly "Sunday Morning Shootout") is praised for its inside-baseball look at the movie industry. A segment featuring director Michael Bay reveals his distaste for filming in Canada, which he characterized as a "scam" despite the tax incentives. Bay reportedly prefers working with his own Hollywood crews due to their higher productivity and familiarity with his intense filming style.

shootout· amc· michael bay· steven spielberg· film industry

1:45:46 It's a great show, I'll make a copy of the show. No, no, no, if you just tell me when it's on then I can log into the Slingbox, my choice, Detroit or Hawaii. And I can watch it live. Yeah, it's on at 8am on Sunday mornings and then they do a repeat showing some other time during the week which I don't know, but you can look it up on the AMC channel, a guide online. Yeah, cool. And it's called Shootout. It used to be called Sunday Morning Shootout and they changed it to Shootout. And it's, you know, they essentially, it's an inside baseball show. They have Bart and Goober and the two of them who are, and especially Goober is astonishing in terms of his just the stuff that he knows and all the stuff that he's done. But they have all these different people come on that are all these people that you'll, that will never show up on a talk show because they're just too shy or all they want to talk about is the business they're in or they're uncomfortable in most venues. But on this show, you got the, you know, the editor-in-chief of Variety and this superstar

1:46:39 executive producer type who's also a professor at UCLA and they're very relaxed with these two guys and you hear all these interesting inside baseball anecdotes about the movie industry and what's going on and trends and how people are losing money or what they're spending. They had the guy who did Transformers, that famous director who does these big films, I can't think of his name. The guy who was fighting against Blu-ray. He was? Yeah, I think it was in the HDVD camp. Or no, I think he was angry because his film wasn't coming out on Blu-ray. That guy. Yeah, that guy. Anyways, I can think of his name in a second or I can look it up or people out there can look it up.

1:47:23 He's he was really I mean he's got a really terrible reputation people don't like him But he was he was on the show and it was just it was so enlightening But the most interesting thing he said was when they tried to get him to do the movie and apparently was Steven Spielberg that Talked him into it because he didn't want to do it He says they wanted him to go to Canada instead of using his own crew and he works everybody to death. He does like two takes and something like 40 setups a day instead of the normal seven or eight. He says he goes to Canada and he took one look around, he says, there's something wrong here. This is a scam. He says, I'm going back to Hollywood and shoot this movie, you know, with my own people. And nobody ever followed up on this concept that he had. The whole thing was, the whole...

1:48:18 Canada deal which a lot of movies are made up there is some sort of a rigged, something's fishy about it. So it's all just a tax write-off and it's supposed to be cheaper, isn't that the whole deal? Yeah, it's a tax write-off, it's cheaper and the government up there supports some of it. Didn't like it like any any bit of it. I don't know why he never went into any details Probably probably the laborer. He has to use local labor. I think or something like yeah, maybe Makes a lot of sense yeah, it makes sense because I think Leo when he would go up to that does he say it doesn't still go up to Canada for that nutty cable show does he? I don't think so. Yeah, because I know that he would have Cali on and they couldn't pay her or whatever. I mean, I don't know, it was weird but it all had to do with regulations and having to be someone special if there wasn't a Canadian Cali Lewis available or some shit like that. Yeah, yeah, something like that. Which is very French.

CHAPTER 42 / 42 Discussion

Canadian Content Regulations, Skype Call-In, Outro

The hosts discuss Canadian broadcast regulations that require a certain percentage of music to be domestic. They plan to experiment with live Skype calls from listeners in future episodes. Adam Curry and John C. Dvorak sign off from the UK and Silicon Valley, respectively, concluding the episode of No Agenda.

canada· broadcast regulations· skype· podcasting· no agenda

1:49:23 You know, the French have... Yeah, no, it's absolutely... The French have got this crazy, you know, they... But I'm not against it in general. I like it. I like the fact that certainly in Canadian broadcast outlets, you know, certainly on the radio, an X amount or X percentage of the music must be Canadian produced at least. And I think that's a good thing. Well, they got enough music out there, they can do that. Yeah, but... You know what I mean. I think we're done. You looked at the clock where we're running at 150. Holy crap, we shouldn't be doing that. Hold on. Everything's crashing today. Play, bitch. There we go. Okay. So next week, do you want to try phone calls? Yeah, sure. Why not? What I was thinking, because I can identify where people are calling from. I thought it'd be kind of fun if we're talking about Canada. I could just say, okay,

1:50:25 Michael Bay, that's the director. Right. I could just say, hey, listener there in Canada, come on in and tell us what the story is, you know? You could try it. We have no one to screen the calls, which means that people would actually have to... Yeah, you suck and the guy's gonna hang up. No, that's... That would be okay, but it's... People go like, hey, how you doing? Or you just have nothing to say or on Skype. Skype headsets are the worst. It just is not... It doesn't work. If it's just a headset, And you're calling it, it sucks. It's absolutely horrible. Unlike our connection today. Okay, coming to you from Gitmo Nation East in the United Kingdom. My name's Adam Curry. And I'm at Git West here in Northern Silicon Valley, also known as the San Francisco Bay Area. We'll talk to you again next week. I'm John C. Dvorak. Let me get my name out. Do it again. I'm John C. Dvorak. And we'll talk to you again next week, right here on No Agenda.