Episode 611 · Thursday, 24 April 2014

Let's Get Social!

Federal agencies face a credibility crisis as the NYPD social media strategy implodes and the State Department relies on Instagram photos to track Russian troop movements.

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The No Agenda Show · No. 611

About this episode

The New York Police Department faces a digital backlash after its #myNYPD social media campaign was flooded with images of police brutality instead of the intended community harmony. Adam Curry and John C. Dvorak analyze the militarization of domestic law enforcement, citing high-production recruitment videos from Texas and Philadelphia that resemble action films. This shift toward tactical policing coincides with White House advisor Lisa Monaco’s proposal for a comprehensive prevention model that encourages citizens to monitor and report radicalized behavior in their own neighborhoods.

State Department spokesperson Jen Psaki faces intense questioning from reporter Matt Lee regarding the use of Twitter and Instagram photos as intelligence evidence for Russian military presence in Ukraine. Meanwhile, Professor Stephen Cohen warns of a potential balkanization of Ukraine as the Geneva Agreement falters and energy debts to Russia mount. In Asia, President Obama’s tour of Japan and the Philippines introduces the Asian Crimea meme to describe territorial tensions with China. Domestically, the IRS is under fire for awarding over $1 million in bonuses to employees who are themselves delinquent on federal taxes, while the FCC proposes new net neutrality rules that Dvorak argues are fundamentally misunderstood by the tech press.

Adam Curry recounts his personal history with armed IRS agents and explains why he has opted out of the traditional credit system to rent for life. John C. Dvorak mocks the technical ignorance of PC Magazine’s Jill Duffy during her recent appearance on This Week in Tech. The episode concludes with a look at Wyclef Jean’s failed Haiti charity and the bizarre decision by Portland officials to flush 38 million gallons of drinking water due to a single reservoir trespasser.


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CHAPTER 01 / 35 Discussion

Podcast Gear Upgrades and Travel Bandwidth Challenges

Adam Curry and John C. Dvorak open episode 611 of No Agenda from Austin, Texas, and Silicon Valley. They discuss recent travel to Mexico and the technical requirements for producing the show on the road. Curry notes that his custom gear builder, an Amazon employee, has stepped away from the project, necessitating a new portable "e-giblet" rig.

adam curry· john c. dvorak· silicon valley· austin· podcasting gear· wi-fi· bandwidth

00:00 I'm all wet. Adam Curry, John C. Dvorak. It's Thursday April 24th 2014 time again for your Gitmo Nation media assassination episode 611! This is no agenda. Back live here at the TV region six in Travis Heights hideout in Austin Texas center of the police state in the morning everybody I am Adam Curry and back in northern Silicon Valley where I'm testing microphones on John C. Dvorak. Testing testing one two one two I love this new microphone you have Thanks, it's custom and you know We were tested when did we didn't we test that before like last week?

00:45 Yeah, over... yeah. Privately. Yeah privately? And I was thinking wow man I gotta upgrade my stuff and i've been saving. Why you got a good mic? You sound like you got it great! The mic is good but uh I need to have a better road rig as I'm expecting travel. Yeah. And I have put something a new piece of gear came out Which will make it possible to you know, I'm still working on the ultimate podcast device my guy by the way like flaked out that my builder. Yeah exactly

01:22 So my builder flaked out and he's like, I can't do it. Why can't he do it? I don't know... He has a job, he works at Amazon. Oh yeah! He is working for a living Yeah, he has a job. I was paying him nothing. Uh.. you know, he has a young child and uh... I think he had some... Did they give him some points maybe Well actually he was very nice. You said, you know, I rescind everything I claim no ownership, give you everything back. I just can't finish it." Okay and actually he said that three months ago and i said why don't you sleep on it man? Why don't you think about it? I'll get back to you because when you have a good builder then anyway doesn't matter but there's this new piece of gear that came out and I believe I can put together really... It's not going to be cheap. I had to save for it but it will truly be an ultimate device

02:10 that all you need to add to that, to create a podcast equal to the best podcast in universe is talent. As long as you got some talent then you're good to go. Hey uh... Wait a minute before you leave me hanging what does this thing do or who makes it? What's the deal? No whoa I'm thinking this will be part of my giblet because i'm going to create an e-giblet And then people can replicate it. I'm not just gonna give all the secrets away, and don't think that's appropriate Now let me say something here John It is good that we traveled over our break and thank you everybody for allowing us to go That was incredibly important that we got a little bit of rest although i'll say The place where were staying had Wi-Fi all the way down to the beach

03:11 Wow. And good Wi-Fi and none of this login crap, you know it was just...you get a password and it worked everywhere So wait a minute so you're telling me that while actually lounging on the beach drinking margaritas Yes You could have actually been doing the podcast on the beach In fact we said if we had more money We could have stayed few extra days and I could've done the show from there The bandwidths were sufficient People have to understand that doing the show on the road, or anywhere really... It's not a matter of just the two and half hours we do this show. The preparations for this show if you don't have sufficient bandwidth

03:53 It takes hours longer. Maybe it can take a day longer and you wind up cooped up, and if there's no Wi-Fi then you're in the room sweating for hours catching up on emails and everything instead of a nice leisurely way I do it is the whole day I'm capturing information stories categorizing when we don't have real bandwidth its a problem people don't realize what difference that really makes even the difference between here and Los Angeles where we were before, it's incredible. But that's not what I wanted to talk about regarding our travel. I want to talk about the police state that is the United States of America because you really don't realize it until you've traveled abroad and we haven't been away in... What's it been now? Six months? And of course- No. Nah, I mean, well, I dunno. I dunno!

CHAPTER 02 / 35 Discussion

Mexico vs. US Airport Security and Customs Harassment

Adam Curry contrasts the relaxed security at Cancun International Airport with a hostile experience at Houston International Airport. His wife, Micky Hoogendijk, was allegedly harassed by Customs and Border Protection officers regarding her decision not to change her last name. Curry describes the Department of Homeland Security as a "black box" and expresses frustration with the aggressive behavior of federal agents toward legal residents and citizens.

cancun· houston international airport· tsa· department of homeland security· customs border patrol· micky hoogendijk

04:49 So we went to Mexico. I've never been to Mexico, I've had a huge personal issue with Mexico. I've always figured that you know i'm going to get kidnapped and gang raped no such luck yeah I noticed but let me tell you uh a little bit about the difference between uh Mexico and their police state and our police state upon return so first we arrive in in Mexico He's loving it. He's speaking Dutch or what you know some form of Dutch This Mexican guy and this is interesting, and you know and Mickey And I are at the desk together, and he's really nice and now here on vacation What you doing? And when I got you yeah, and he really had a couple of sentences there in Dutch So where'd you learn that he says oh from pornographic movies Okay This is the customs guy

05:54 Actually later the thought crossed my mind that maybe he somehow thought we were Bobby Eden and her husband or something, and he had seen some of her movies. He's like hey these two blonde people from Holland yeah there must be Bobby Eden in her husband. Porn stars! Yeah kind of like yes I learned from pornographic movies wink-wink-wink nudge-nudge okay So, but now the departure leaving Mexico on our way back home. Now of course you know that it is extremely likely that terrorists will try to hide bombs in their shoes and their bags and their laptops and their battery packs to blow up aircraft we flew United American aircraft over the United States

06:47 You know this is fact. Oh, they're falling out of the sky like it's unbelievable So here is the... I don't know if you've been to Mexico recently Here is the procedure at Cancun International Airport No show me your paper slave Just you got a ticket? All right get in line There's a sign that literally says please keep your shoes on This is very nice Please do not take your laptop out of your bag. It's on the sign and there's no slave scanner, it's just a... You're on TSA? No pre-check! There is no pre check line it's one line and it moves really fast okay And there's no one yelling at you, there's no one barking orders at you The guy who was operating the bag scanner didn't even have a uniform on he just had a shirt like a Hawaiian shirt

07:47 Yeah, it's just so please keep your shoes on. Just walk through the magnetometer No slave scanner keep your laptops in the bag everything is great now We arrive at Houston International Airport And I'd already been warned by one of our Austin based producers who said oh man You know I I just want you to know last time when he and his wife I guess they were on their honeymoon They came back from Cancun through Houston And he said that the customs guys were shouting at people, they were making college girls cry in line. Shouting stuff like you know... You get in line or I'll make sure you never get into the country! So of course I didn't tell Nikki this because as you know she has a flag on her profile and she's always asked to go sit in the little fish tank so we walk up to the Customs Border Patrol desk together

08:44 After someone has yelled at me. This line, this line! I'm American citizen... Yes but she has green card! This line, this line, this line!! And i'm not kidding..this is how- and it's an oriental guy It's whoo okay so and i'm already a little tense about this So the first thing the guy says is what are you friends? No we're married Oh well how come your last name's not Curry why did you- what is this your culture Is this your culture in your country where you don't change your last name? is that your culture?" This is the question she's getting. Now, what kind of question...is this your culture really why is that why didn't you change your name now Mickey has a huge problem with authority are you feeling it so she says uh well it's 2014 and modern women don't necessarily have to change their names

09:42 Okay. Yeah, they want to see you in the office." And I said well can i go with her? No no you can go back there and sit on a chair down by baggage claim and wait for her so...I know you love this! I do. This is great. So Mickey gave me the report and I am- I need to file an official complaint now oh yeah absolutely Now wait for this So she is escorted by and she now, she gets so mad that she you know. We have a connecting flight to Austin by the way in like an hour. Oh this is what they love to do make him miss your connection! Well check it out...so she says I mean she's been through this before and she had in Atlanta with the connecting flight and and I'm just going to describe the guy because she said the guy who all of this story is about behind in the little fish tank

10:39 was a big fat uh... hispanic guy. I'm just describing it so you understand. Yeah, he hates whites and so his colleague because he was the fattest Hispanic guy there just see his colleagues who will be listening they'll know that i'm coming for him So she says um I have a connecting flight You know what? He says as of right now you have nothing Can you believe that the police state of America has come to this? And Mickey speaks very good Spanish. Oh, she does! She lived in the Canary Islands for a number of years and so she's sitting there and now they're making her wait extra long... As of right now you have nothing lady! Shut up! Sit down! Shut up slave!

11:36 and two flight attendants walk in escorting someone else, and then in Spanish this guy goes to his colleague. Hey which one are you gonna fuck? Oh really oh yeah it's Spanish yeah Mickey of course understood that Mickey of course being the whitest blond woman ever from Holland yep uh so did she call him out no didn't she wouldn't know did she said that she considered it But she really, we were tired. We really wanted to go home and get on the flight This is the problem you see If you're gonna make the stand then you're gonna make the choice She didn't want me to make a choice without me She could have called him out and called his bluff and he would have released her Well I said next time just do it! I'll miss the flight for that

12:22 Screw these guys. So this police state that we are now in, it is despicable and makes me ashamed to be an American And of course this all happened when Customs Border Patrol changed from the State Department to Department of Homeland Security. Right, run by the... as we recall and we talked about on the show there was a huge amount of sexual harassment going on. Oh yes! Of the lesbian upper echelon harassing them in. Yeah I mean at this point you know it's just wow it would have been easier for us to creep into The Wheel well and drop out and apparently that's possible

13:05 So, you know... but I told Mickey next time this like because she walks out hurt. First thing she says to me is hate this country and she doesn't but she does and I hate it too! And i'm so sick and tired of what is happening. The edge. No no not that this is do you remember when Mickey got deported? due to a clerical error on my part, but she was deported. You know they walked her all the way to the plane just it was a horrible experience and I called my uncle who could who can speed dial three presidents and he said Adam get a lawyer I can't help you ever since this became Department of Homeland Security it's a black box their job is to make your life impossible they ought they sell no for an answer I'm sorry I can't help you

CHAPTER 03 / 35 Discussion

Police Department Recruitment Videos and Militarization

The discussion shifts to the perceived militarization of American domestic law enforcement, citing a series of viral police recruitment videos from towns in Texas and Philadelphia. These videos are described as high-production action clips featuring tactical gear and weaponry. Curry calls for voters to remove incumbents in the upcoming midterm elections to protest the growth of the "authoritarian police state."

police state· recruitment videos· militarization· starsky and hutch· civil disobedience· midterm elections

13:52 And of course, he can't help me because it would not be worth spending whatever remaining political credits he has for the rest of his life on that. Because of course he could have done something but no. He made a quick decision, No way I still want to hang out with some people before I'm dead! I wanna hang out and do some cool stuff. So not spending as political capital on that But what has happened Since 9-11 in this country and you can see it now everywhere there was in the show notes. It makes no sense to Play the audio because there's no voiceover or anything There's a web page with eight or nine police department recruitment videos

14:37 Have you seen this? It was kind of viraling around. And, you know it's for different towns and there is one in Texas and there is one in Philadelphia...and these are four or five to eight minute videos. It's like Starsky & Hutch meets Hill Street Blues meet CSI. You know they're dressed up in military garb they're shooting they're whacking people they're tazing people. Yeah join us yeah and people in general are not just regular Joes aren't smart you know they fall for this crap. And we've become, you know a police state and it's very upsetting I think Texas is about the only place i still kind of feel comfortable and I'm not even so sure about that then we get into the line for our flight from Houston to Austin which is a 27 minute flight and you know

15:32 But you gotta get in another line? You gotta go through another security check, oh yeah. Oh after you leave the customs area and a guy with an embroidered badge... Show me your passport! Well you really only have to show him the- technically I happen to know this. You only have to show him your customs form. Passports!! He's like hey uh oh could you please show me your pa- PASSPORTS!!! Yeah, okay. And he looks at you and looks at the picture and he looks at me He looks at Mickey, look at the picture, huh? Alright! Huh! You know just that like wave, like alright go on Like I really should bust you! Clearly smuggling something, you look evil This is how i feel...and then there ya are in the TSA We've just had this wonderful experience where we could have been a Mexican shoe bomber Where we didn't- please keep your shoes on Please keep your laptop in your bag

16:28 And there it is. And of course we both opt out, we didn't even want to do the can't raise my arms thing We just opted out, were just so mad There was a spinner? Are they one of those things? Oh yeah slave scanner of course Okay Yeah were not going through that and they immediately call for female assist and they let me wait for 20 minutes

17:08 Don't you love that? And the guys are looking at me and it's like, everyone is like yeah whatever. You and so somehow we've gotten to this point where you give someone a badge even if it's embroidered and they become asshole numero uno, and I'm sick and tired of it. And-and i'm going to continue... we have to say things now. You know? We need some.. It's not even civil disobedience but I've told Mickey next time this happens you make a scene! Then they come and get me or I'll bust in and I'm gonna make a scene This is bullshit! No, I'm sick and tired of it and if a TSA agent is yelling at me I'll say SHUT UP! YOU SHUT THE FUCK UP!! DON'T YELL AT ME!!!

17:58 We have to stop this idiocy. I'm not going to be intimidated by people like this anymore and we have an election coming up, a midterm election vote everybody out! Everybody if there's an incumbent just get rid of him i don't care just get rid of this person regardless People you are slipping into your own abyss And the whole point of The American Project If You Will The whole idea was that people, if left alone could kind of take care of themselves and would work stuff out. And if we had a couple of simple rules to abide by then everything would kind of you know it would work and it worked for a long time really until 9-11 is really where in my life were really just changed as such an idiotic degree and we became this mean

CHAPTER 04 / 35 Discussion

Lisa Monaco and the Comprehensive Prevention Model for Radicalization

White House counter-terrorism advisor Lisa Monaco appeared on PBS with Gwen Ifill to discuss identifying radicalized individuals within local communities. Monaco advocates for a "comprehensive prevention model" where parents, teachers, and religious leaders monitor children for behavioral changes. The hosts critique the proposal as a form of state-sponsored surveillance that encourages citizens to report their neighbors and family members to the government.

lisa monaco· gwen ifill· pbs· harvard kennedy school· counter-terrorism· radicalization· boston bombers

18:52 authoritarian police state run by lawyers and bankers, and I'm sick and tired of it. This really made me mad! And how this is being propagated... There was a speech done by Lisa Monaco, and Lisa Monaco essentially replaced John Brennan. John O. Brennan. Interesting her name is Lisa O. Monaco just to make it a little funnier I think she's of Dutch descent and if you look at her Wikipedia, there is no... it is very sparse. You know she went straight from college to summa cum laude right into politics and right into council on foreign relations and all this stuff but she has been a operative in counter-terrorism for a long time not just counter terrorism, she did the Department of Justice, she was lawyer of course

19:48 And she did this speech at, where was it? I think it was Harvard maybe. Of course probably got paid for it. Harvard Kennedy School and there were a number of things that she said including parents needing to keep an eye on their children because you know everyone's being radicalized And luckily she, now there's no video of that only a transcript. Luckily she was on PBS with Gwen Ifill I feel my heart with joy and i want you to listen to what she is saying the message essentially is people of America you need to keep an eye on that other guy because that other guy particularly that other guys kid could become a bomber

20:40 an al-Qaeda radicalized bomber like the Boston Bombers, which is why she was on the show. And they are employed... we know that they have already coopted a lot of preachers and a lot of church leaders. They're all in on this but also doctors teachers and ultimately yes parents. We all have to continuously be monitoring children and keep an eye on them, and report your child to the authorities if he starts changing behavior because you know a kid could clearly be radicalized and be the next

21:18 Al Qaeda bomber in the homeland. Well, I think what we've learned is that there are limits to what the federal government can do in terms of identifying individuals who are being drawn to violence We're not always going to be able to see the warning signs The government isn't best positioned To see that necessarily all the time In fact, we've crunched the data Should it be better? We've crunched the data Oh John We've crunched what data? Well, have no fear. In fact... Fact! We've crunched the data so we know what we're talking about The data the science is in. We have crunch it

21:55 We're not always going to be able to see the warning signs. The government isn't best positioned, uh... To see that necessarily all the time In fact we've crunched the data But should it be better positioned? Well I think we can be by working with the community By engaging more Uh..we've looked at- Hold on a second Instead of Eiffel asking that stupid question Why doesn't Eiffel say what do you mean crunched the data Crunched what data Because she's a hagiographer It's no her job to actually Oh i don't know Ask questions No, you have to have a podcast for that. In fact we've crunched the data- But should it be better positioned? Shouldn't be better positioned? Well I think we can by working with the community, by engaging more We've looked at this very hard What we should- Oh no! We've crunched the data and we've looked at it very hard

22:43 How can you look at something very hard? Is that proper even... What does that even mean? Oh, I looked at it hard. It's so hard! What we found from one study is that in 80% of the cases community members saw warning signs but they didn't see them as an indicator of a problem In 80% of the cases, what this is when someone commits a horrible atrocious crime. The news goes and interviews the neighbors and say Oh yeah, he was always a quiet guy. Kept to himself never noticed anything Is that your data that you crunched? Yeah it's the data Lisa Monaco Whether it was a teacher hearing from a student that they were interested in traveling abroad to fight whether it was a parent seeing a kid being more confrontational Ah! Has your kid been more confrontational recently John

23:41 I'm turning him into the police. We have to learn together and educate community members, entrusted community members who can come and intervene and point that usually use. Okay so we need to try...I am really dissecting this because this is the core a big, big problem. We need to trust community members to identify and be able go to a community member so you should go your preacher or your teacher or doctor and say little Johnny's been acting up a little bit I think we should probably take him downtown

24:18 You know, have someone talk to him a little bit and make sure he's not radicalized. To a different path? Is watching for signs...watching for behavior changes is that a little passive in the face of what's sadly and repeatedly a growing problem here? Well, it's not the only thing we're doing. We certainly need to make sure we as a community are poised to see those warning signs and see them as signs of trouble but our law enforcement needs to...and has been in fact Boston is a great example of this prepare for in advance Ah! Okay so not only do we have to keep an eye on these

25:00 Clearly potential terrorists. We have to prepare! We gotta be ready, ready for when they strike those kids so we can kill them! to understand how they're going to respond, how they're going to work together to respond to an act of violence. You mentioned in your speech in Cambridge a comprehensive prevention model what does that look like at the federal level? The state level? The local level? Ah here we go you writing this down John comprehension prevention... comprehensive prevention model I think we should write this down. Why did she even say that? Go back, back it up again. Was that Eiffel? Yeah so she is responding... Wasn't she given a script? Yeah the script was that she got the briefing from The White House It's the transcript of what Lisa Monaco said at Harvard

25:48 Okay, and so she's you know it's like just before the show. Here's the transcript here the questions You ask I feel comprehensive prevention model what does that look like at the federal level of a state level local? What it really means is Engaging with community members and not just on the security side whether its educators health professionals Religious leaders as well Educators, healthcare. Yeah everyone. The cops are already in on this so let's just go with it. Sharing best practices. What do we know? Sharing best practices. What is our expertise? I don't know. He isn't going to ask the question!

26:31 nationals, religious leaders as well. Sharing best practices what do we know? What is our expertise taught us about how somebody becomes radicalized? How can we share that information so people can understand to see these warning signs Is that a law enforcement response? I mean, the debate we always have when these things happen is whether it should be a law enforcement response. Whether it's a debate about gun control or whether it should be a mental health response or something else like that. Or are you talking about a combination of all these things? All of them. Of course! Leading the witness...

27:09 Or, I mean or maybe you're talking about a combination of all these things as i have written right here in front of me. This is despicable propaganda! A debate about gun control whether it should be a mental health response for something else like that? Are you talking about a combination of all these things? All of them. Emphasis on one or the other It can't be done in any one silo It is in part a law enforcement response because this is a public safety issue that we're talking about first and foremost. And law enforcement has a role to play, but so do teachers and so do parents and families. Yeah exactly! Now let me just show you a little bit of how this works So you have to make people feel important in this police state I just got this from the TSA blog Of course they have this pre-check system

CHAPTER 05 / 35 Discussion

TSA Pre-Check Expansion and Airport Security Randomization

The TSA is expanding its Pre-Check program to include all members of the U.S. military, the National Guard, and Department of Defense civilians. John C. Dvorak describes his experience with the "randomizer" at airport security, where passengers are arbitrarily assigned to either the standard or expedited screening lines. The hosts mock the inconsistent rules regarding footwear and electronics at different checkpoints.

tsa pre-check· department of defense· coast guard· airport security· magnetometer· randomization

27:56 Pre-check is now being extended to members, all members of the US military including reservists National Guard members as well as Department of Defense and Coast Guard civilians. That's interesting. Yeah, so you and of course you get these the TSA pre allows participants to keep their shoes belt and light jacket on and leave laptops and 3-1-1 compliant liquids in their carry-on bags when going through airport security And you should salute when you're allowed through. Salute! Hey hey colleague Howdy partner you and me we're on the inside. We can fuck those civilians I'm sorry my Tourette's is acting up today. I shouldn't know I have to chime in yeah, so I went out of Oakland to Seattle on and now let's get TSA pre for some reason And and and I think it's easy enough that you could have you could put it on any boarding pass It's a little just says something on the corner. You know they have a randomizer Did you see this?

28:55 I knew about the randomizer, but i didn't see it. So Mickey and I walk of course we walk into the premium line with our coach loser tickets Walk right up to the front Of course yeah We're not stupid slaves And the woman looks at us and then she's Name now you have to say your name Have you noticed this? What's your name? Oh yes his new what's your name uh Uh and then you got a John Adam Curry What Yeah and what's your name? Miriam Hugendyke What And then they have the big tablet and then they swipe the table open hit a button and then it goes Big green arrow left or big green arrow right? And so the the immigrant with the green card Gets that's Mickey my wife gets to go through pre-check. I get sent around to go through the loser line That's funny

29:53 randomize that didn't have anything to do with it anyway they had oakland i want to free and was like the last again longer than the way back i think in a priest i'd go to regular lines and i think they've got it personally i believe they've got slow The pre-line was getting bigger. I'm now convinced that they're going through slowdown, which is a technique used by unions when they are upset with the company to slow down the regular line and i was there two hours early because of the nature of the way it got to the Seattle airport so i didn't care And so they slowed down the line, but it was going notoriously slow. Mm hmm. And I think it's a good because the pre thing you have to sign up for it costs 100. But I think it's just a way to gouge

30:40 paying customers and once they get too many pre lines somebody will get through it with a bomb or some phony thing. They'll set something up and then, oh we can't have this anymore! And they've taken everyone's money right you know for this pre-thing yeah and now so its you know... Oh but not if your Coast Guard civilian just salute on your way in! Ready to go! It really says that you should salute each other? No that's what I'm saying you should do In fact, I'm gonna start doing that to all people in uniform at airports. I'm just gonna salute them and see if they salute back! I'll bet you they all do. And iIm just gonna say soldier! Like I'm a five-star general. In fact, I'm going get me some of those epaulets with stars on it

31:33 Yeah, as long as you're not... yeah. You can go so far without before you say well I'm a by company i'm a five star No! Well, I have a pilot shirt with four bars and I'm allowed to wear that I'm a pilot. I know, i'm allowed to wear a captain shirt and you know what? I'm gonna wear that through TS and I'm going to salute everybody Hey! How are ya doing? Anyway so there's this guy- There's one of these guys yelling and screaming at everybody coming through the line but it was a magnetometer only they had the other thing out of service So I didn't have to deal with that That's nice But they were pushing everyone through And then they hit If you got a red X

32:08 Give me the red X! If you have a boarding pass with the red x. Here's the scene, the guy is yelling about this Red X I never heard of this and he is on the other side at the magnetometer collecting anyone with a red X on their boarding pass so what do you think to read X might be for? You're terrorist? No The red X allows you to go through the magnetometer with your shoes on Oh. But you don't find that out... Until you've gone through? Yeah! This is like Russia. I don't know any of this... Do they have one with a yellow star by any chance? This is like Russia! It's like you can't do this right if you know about the red X, keep your shoes on in the first place maybe they tell you this someplace else and then you come with your shoes on and the guy yells at you and says I got a red x oh okay. I mean I don't know. Idiotic. Also when I salute them I go HURRAH

33:10 Like I'm a Marine? I bet you these people will fall for it. And, you know what, I guarantee if I just...I'm just gonna do that! I'm just gonna walk to the front of the line and if there's also on our way back... You could get to the front of the line. Boarding so and of course but we had upgraded Economy Plus, which they promptly screwed up and we were not sitting together and we were anything but Economy Plus even though he paid for it. And then I didn't want to get just...I don't want to get in. I'm tired of fighting with idiots. It was a short flight so now we're boarding Group 4 and you know so we're waiting and everyone's going through and then no one's moving and so from what we presume is group 3 and then we walk ahead

34:00 This is group four. I'm doing three this you're not your group for i'm doing three And this is the boarding agent Oh, who also and you put a uniform on an american? I hate to say it You put a uniform on american and they become an asshole And not necessarily when they're out there fighting for our freedom or I don't know uh protecting the poppies and you know dying because you've been brainwashed into that's what you're supposed to do Now luckily there's lots of things we can do and there is some, thank goodness. But we are pushing back a little bit on the hubris

CHAPTER 06 / 35 Discussion

NYPD Twitter Campaign Backfires with Police Brutality Photos

The New York Police Department's social media campaign using the hashtag #myNYPD resulted in a "bash tag" as users flooded the feed with images of alleged police brutality. While the department intended to show civic harmony, the public used the opportunity to catalog incidents of officers charging protesters and using force. The hosts speculate that the PR blunder may have originated from John Miller's office or a naive social media manager.

nypd· twitter· hashtag· mynypd· police brutality· john miller· bill bratton

34:42 on the hubris of the police state of America. I'm really, you can tell i'm really upset now this reminded me how stupid this is and it in and this customs thing happened in Texas. These guys were these yahoos! I'm coming for you fat idiot! I'm coming for you! I'm gonna find out who you are! I am going to make shit about this so luckily um...this happens in New York Presumably it seemed like a good idea at the time. A chance for law-abiding citizens here to demonstrate that they not only love New York, but its police department as well The photo published as a guide presented a tableau of civic harmony with a smiling citizen embracing two smiling cops But the social hashtag my NYPD quickly turned into a bash tag

35:33 Many of the pictures cataloged incidents of alleged police brutality. An officer charging a group of protesters, A man being pushed down on a car bonnet by the police What was intended as a campaign to show the positive face of the NYPD Instead revealed an uglier side Yeah I thought this is... If you look at Twitter right now This is great! No I've been following this it's hilarious and there are couple things that are interesting to me that we're talking about One is, hubris is the right word. And this is very reminiscent and you've had this experience where somebody says I'm gonna hire you guys and here's what I want you to do. I want you make a viral video and they literally think that you'd make a viral video. They don't know that a video goes viral

36:23 You can't make a viral video. Oh yeah, no in fact there are RFPs out there in the advertising world for someone to produce a viral video Yeah! There are So they don't understand the basics and so the cops or it was actually you I know it wasn't the cops, It was some idiot in the PR department at the police department. Well you know who... Or City Hall. You thought this was a great idea because it's social! Well listen who just went to the New York Police Department as um as the media guy who knows everything?

37:07 Andy Carvin? Oh, I wish. No! John Miller from CBS! Well that's right, Chuttin' Miller. Dimes to dollars which is about all we do these days...I'm gonna say that this was his idea. Oh, I find it hard to believe he's that stupid I believe this was some 20-something out of school dummy that was... Well, someone bought into it. Obviously Bratton or whoever bought into it like yeah! Yes if you look at the press conference he said hey you've just been tweeted kind of did like a Perry

37:52 Right, twittered. Been tweeter'd on the Twitter Do I have that somewhere? Yeah here this is what Perry said exactly Is this kind of... And you can always follow me on Twitter Yeah on Twitter and Tweeter Let me see John Miller... Miller's not the guy who was... You know I don't know! Who would be so naive to do something like that This is a dummy That came up with this idea Well somebody has to get fired I mean I can almost visualize what the dummy looks like and his or her, which I believe it probably is a woman age because there's an extreme amount of naivete involved in this. Yeah although at the same time the younger people would be aware of the craziness that can go on and it might have been just someone who's new to this. It reminds me of a PR woman I know who was just kind of out she was

38:49 executive at these big, one of these big giant agencies. And she was working in a lot of different places I'm not gonna tell you all because then you figure out who it is but didn't she decided like just a few years ago to get involved in social. Social yeah! I hear that social thing as really... It's all the rage and it was completely she had no clue as to the nature of this beast and which reminds me Know you're not gonna like this, but since you're on a rant I think I can I'm allowed to do this now. I have just the best part of the clip Hey Why are your clips in uppercase did someone else do your clips or? Are you now is it gotten to the at you with that age where you just do everything over case You know if you look at the Portland see Portland you can see where it happened You're beyond the age of all caps you're just out of control now

CHAPTER 07 / 35 Discussion

Silicon Valley TV Show Parody and Social Media Song

The hosts review the third episode of the HBO series "Silicon Valley," arguing that the real tech industry is already too absurd to effectively parody. They play a clip of a "social media song" featuring a rap segment from the show to illustrate the cringe-inducing nature of modern tech marketing culture.

silicon valley· hbo· social media· parody· rap· tech culture

39:49 yes put the Portland is that the P is not capitalized and the rest Orkland is very good. Is that the clip we're playing? No, we're playing the excerpt this deep into the whole I'm not playing this whole song oh no oh no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no Yes, okay. Hold on let me preface this properly so I'm watching episode 3 of Silicon Valley Yeah, I was very disappointed by two. Two was worse than one for me Three is worse than two So it's shit No here's what it is this clip shows you what the problem is Because Silicon Valley is stupid by itself You can't even make a parody of it as well. You can't make a parody of the idiocy yeah of Silicon Valley This was taken from the worldwide social networking conference that

40:49 that one of the guys who organized it and I guess his girlfriend were singing this song, and he had to come out about two-thirds of the way through the song and begin a rap which then she finishes up with... She reprises the song at the end. And then he goes woo! At the end. You listen to this and you say to yourself no we can't parody these people are completely nuts Now i want to say that John and I rarely speak or send mail to each other And when we do it's usually dumb. And of course I had already seen this, I had not watched the whole thing... ...I had to turn it off after 30 seconds and of course you had watched the whole thing and the rap at the end which were about to hear is indeed just glorious! Hey now y'all can we just get real? Do we really care about our fans or is this just another deal? Is that another way that we've lost our way?!

41:43 Social's about the people, remember? We are people. Do we really need another like, fan or share? Do we need another post to show up everywhere? I hope as we scatter that we never forget That our posts live forever even when we go to bed So connect with me and have some fun Let's show the world this can't stop Woo! Let's get social! I know this song Let's get social! Social! With social media! The best part is, it's catchy. It's a singer- it's like a Britney Spears. One, two... Let's get social! Social! So let's get social! Let's get social! Let's get social! Let's get social with social media!

42:42 Yes, everybody brought you by Mary McCoy give it up in the house bitches Yeah, well if you weren't stepping all over you would have heard that guy singing in the background I've heard him now. I believe ludicrous mix was perfect Believe me anyway when you hear that is like that kind of that woman can't sing on key He's an idiot and he put on a hat and sunglasses, a beret because that's what all the rappers are wearing I hear. Yeah so he took it comes out bald guy and puts on a beret and does this horrible whatever. But you are right John you nail it you're absolutely right

CHAPTER 08 / 35 Discussion

This Week in Tech Critique and Coachella Commentary

John C. Dvorak critiques a recent appearance by Jill Duffy of PC Magazine on the "This Week in Tech" podcast. He mocks her lack of familiarity with the Coachella music festival and her tendency to look directly into the camera lens rather than engaging with the host. The segment includes a brief, bizarre tangent regarding Duffy's physical appearance.

this week in tech· leo laporte· jill duffy· coachella· pc magazine· broadcasting

43:22 The Silicon Valley, it's not funny because these guys are you cannot parody stupidity by... It's already dumb and laugh worthy. Yeah I was watching You Weren't On It and so I missed it when like last night or yesterday after dinner before I continued my prepping I watched This Week in Tech which I hadn't watched because um you weren't on and I'm not gonna watch it on vacation And there is this woman on Oh, what's her name now? She works for PC Magazine. Jill Duffy. What was your last name? Duffy. And at a certain point she is like... Hey! What is all this Coachella thing I hear about? Is that the new music thing that the kids are into? Get off the show lady with your red hair! You got half of her hair red on top and in back. You're a poser woman

44:18 What is this Coachella I hear all the key? Is that like a burning man are you sure she wasn't just putting it no no no. It was not and of course, yeah she's a woman does She's a vagina so all the men on their show like oh honey let me tell you how to woo ya let me do it because the men on this show are morons Hey, you're not going to get on the show. Well you need to get on the show even it out we need some testosterone but you know the good kind that put women down in their place when they're stupid so she's no I can't help myself today

44:59 But seriously, it's like I watched a little bit of that. Couldn't watch much of that show but i watched a little bit of her. I didn't hear this part That was embarrassing but...I was wondering who would coached her because she would look when you do that show You're really not-you don't spend your time talking to the camera It's not a talking to the camera show Oh good point! She keeps looking at the camera Oh yes oh yeah Good point Looking straight into the lens. Yeah, she's instead of talking to you're on these shows You talk to the host a host says something say yeah And you talk to the person like a normal person? You know you don't say well Leo and then you turn to the camera and start giving your Your spiel you don't do that it looks weird nobody does it so she did that at one point and I did all the time I am very strange. I'm a strange man. I'm gonna say right up front

45:50 And of course I noticed this, you know I've been a television professional all my life and the only thing i could think of is what would it be like to french kiss her? Is that weird because she has no lips. She's got a pointy nose and her mouth kind of flows into her chin which was like...I wonder what it'd be like to french kiss her? Then I just weirded myself out and had to turn around You weirded out the audience just now! Are you watching somebody I do talking about Coachella and you're thinking about kissing her no, the Coachella thing made me mad It just made it just made me mad. And yeah, just like people talk about something that that people care about anyway Okay, so I do want to finalize just by saying two things and then we should thank some of our producers

CHAPTER 09 / 35 Discussion

Cliven Bundy Ranch Standoff and Federal Overreach

Adam Curry discusses the standoff between rancher Cliven Bundy and the Bureau of Land Management (BLM) in Nevada. While skeptical of how alternative media like InfoWars hyped the event, Curry uses the story to highlight his own past experience with armed IRS agents coming to his office to collect a tax bill. The discussion touches on the privatization of prisons and the use of third-party commercial companies for tax collection.

cliven bundy· bureau of land management· chris hayes· msnbc· irs· federal agents

46:41 that you are being played by this and and this will fold into this Bundyville thing, this rancher. Oh yeah, Bundy. So this rancher... This is people you're being played out and I'm looking at you InfoWars who were these are agents of change these are provocateurs to take a very unimportant issue and turn it into we're gonna kick the government's ass. Now of course, the United States...the population of the United States is armed in order to protect from you know enemies from outside and within but you're being set up

47:28 That was, if I've seen anything the way that was hyped to the way that was reported on but particularly the alternative media with very little factual information. That was a setup and you're being set up to pull a trigger one day And and we're all going to regret this now I'm the first to say I look at the video and I see a bunch of a-hole Federales coming in tasing people. Of course, this is wrong if it's no more or less wrong then well In fact that let me just play this little clip Because I do want to say something about this that people don't understand. This is Chris Hayes on MSNBC talking to assemble

48:15 What? You have a Chris Hayes clip. Well he's talking to assemblywoman Michelle Fiore, who is... she's either in on it or she's being misused But there's something she says here that I'd like to point out, that you don't need this Bundyville thing to understand what is really has been going on in the United States for a long time. Questioning the BLM and i'm also going to request either a resignation or termination of the person that had ordered this to be done but That's a distinct question! I mean...I understand your point You think that the way that the law has been enforced The BLM has been heavy-handed It's just a question from lines of legal authority I am just asking you simply yes or no questions Do you recognize the authority of federal government?

48:56 Oh, I recognize the authority that they believe that they have. I just question it So you do not...you agree with Cliven Bundy the federal government does not have authority over the land? No, I'm not saying I agree No Chris don't put words in my mouth. I am not saying I agree with Cliven Bundy What i'm saying is The way this was handled Is really suspicious When in the heck did we send our federal goverment With arms to collect a bill Okay, this is what I want to respond to. Whoa! What's happening here? The federal agents of the Internal Revenue Service came to collect a bill from me with their hands on their weapons and at place of my work So if you think this is bad that some Bureau of Land Management yahoos were all hyped up and jacked up with their uniforms on and their dogs in their tasers You think that's bad try not paying your taxes

49:52 They came to my office, and this is eight years ago with their hands on their guns. We've been looking for you! Where have you been? Have you ever tried Google? We've been looking for you! And I'm still...I am uncreditworthy because of that Even though everything was cleared up eventually, but they had their hands on their gun IRS agents armed IRS agents Yeah They come to collect and just to make it worse There's now a bill in Congress And they're gonna try it once again going to the bill would allow third-party commercial companies to go collect tax money

50:40 Oh no, they're giving that out. That's what they do with the parking meters in San Francisco so if you get a any of the meters no good and you get a ticket there is nothing you can do about it and this is what they've done with the prisons. Corrections Corporation of America one of the many operations that run private prisons and so they have lobbyists to make more laws to get those prisons filled so they can make more money yeah that sort of thing this privatization has completely got run amok And they get away and why the public doesn't put it say hey wait a minute this is not some private company shouldn't be running the prisons. Well these are the people you need to vote out of office, you need to vote... Nobody will do it! Oh there are guys okay everybody else's bad but their guys okay. We're doomed if we don't just vote everyone out I'm thinking Panama You know? Can you have can you have a gun in Panama can you have him can you be armed? Better look it up. I'm going too This is just not OK

CHAPTER 10 / 35 Discussion

IRS Identity Confusion and Credit Worthiness Issues

John C. Dvorak recounts a phone call from an IRS agent who confused him with a different John Dvorak living in Kansas City. Adam Curry shares his ongoing struggles with credit worthiness due to a tax lien and identity confusion with other men named Adam Curry in Oklahoma and New York. Curry states he has "opted out" of the system and intends to rent property for the rest of his life.

irs· identity theft· credit report· kansas city· tax lien· renting

51:37 You know I had a guy, an IRS guy about two years ago. A guy gets a call on the phone and says so-and-so of the IRS when are you going to pay your $4500? I said what? What you owe us is 4500 bucks we need payment immediately. And he starts reading me The Riot Act I don't, we pay our taxes. And 45 this is an offbeat number that just came out of the blue have you ever talked to us before? We've been sending notices blah blah he goes on and on and so then uh i listening to him

52:16 I said, you got the wrong guy. That's what i said and he says no you're John Dvorak! I said yeah I'm John Dvorak Hold on...I'm John C. Kapslok-Dvorak I just said you said that you're John Dvorak? Yeah And he says yeah and you live in Kansas City No This area code is not in Kansas City Sorry getting snarky What's my social security number Then he reads off some alien. I should have written it down by the way But he gave me some alien social security number said that's not me I said, and I gave my number He said you I don't know what your why your comment this is not even in Canada. I'm not even in Kansas City He says oh, and he knew who was he wasn't there was a lot of I keep track of all the John Dvorak's because he's we I think at The beginning he says you're a writer right but that's the climate guy

53:09 No, no the climate guys another one that there was a there was a reporter for the Kansas City Star like literally fashion reporter named John Dvorak and There's a metal metallurgist. There's a bunch of them and For some unknown reason And you know and he gagged it backed off in the apologized which I thought was nice if that said just hang up on me but this these it seems to me that with this, they could do like you said use Google. I mean how why were they calling this wrong? Why did he even get this number well because you know it's a you're a slave and you need to report for duty

53:47 I, you know my problems with the...I have no credit worthiness at all and that's because this lien that took place and it took me a year to get rid of it and a lot of money in legal fees. And at the end of day I owed them nothing. It just hadn't filled out the forms or my, at the time accountant hadn't because you still have to file if you don't live in America. Then when I start showing up on payroll at uh the company in California that's when they said hey! This guy is scamming us And so, you know but now if you pull my credit report you'll see there's an Adam Curry in Oklahoma. That is I think is the guy that got me barred from entering the country for three years. I thought that guy was in North Dakota? No, I think that was Oklahoma There's a an Adam Curry and upstate New York. There's an Adam Currie in Florida. That guys a douchebag! That guy gets me in a lot of trouble

54:39 What does he do? He's skirting on rent and all kinds of stuff, and it always shows up. I'm like...I'm lost! I can't....I've opted out of the system. See, I just don't participate. I'll rent until i'm dead. I won't have the American dream of owning a home being indebted and enslaved. You know, I'll be a renter until I'm dead or until I'm sleeping on the street and honestly we're you know three shows away from that. Anyway, i do want to thank you for your courage John C Dvorak and say in the morning to you J caps lock Dvorak! Oh in the morning of you Adam Curry in the morning all ships at sea boots on the ground feet in the air subs in the water all the dames and knights out there And in the mornings everyone in the chat room noagendastream.com noagendachat.net good to have y'all back and people were actually in the chat room during our

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No Agenda Producer Donations and Knighting Ceremony

The hosts conduct a lengthy segment thanking "producers" who donated to the show during their recent break. Notable donors include Arthur Kessler, Michael Leary from Norway, and Barry Hanna from Alberta. Several listeners are awarded knighthoods and peerage titles, including Sir Michael of Hemlock and the Black Knight Baron Barry Hanna. The segment reinforces the "value for value" funding model of the podcast.

value for value· knighthood· oslo· norway· canada· utah· donations

55:29 outstanding clip show that Ramsey put together for us a Clip Show 3 was the title of it and I checked in and people it's the only thing wrong People were very surprised the clip show started because they were streamed live as well. It started on time, right? So people were thrown off by that. What's the deal? Hey man! Podcast comes on time, makes no sense And thanks to Comic Strip Blogger who created a fun piece of artwork that we use for the album art and always looking forward to what we can find for our album art For this episode 611 at NoAgendaArtGenerator.com We have a combination of donations

56:15 for today, for people who donated for 610. And of course this was kind of the catch-up show and it worked a lot of people went oh you know I finally caught up and I already donated and now it's like you know I was caught up with my episodes and turns out Oh! It was a clip show but they still liked it yeah people just like to show Yeah Well that is because its valuable even though with the rants in the rest Although I love your rants. Your TSA material is timeless, it's beautiful! Well that's the sad part is its timeless... Because Mickey with a green card complicates things in ways that no other person can possibly relate to And luckily you know Mickey and you know you can just see her freaking out You could just see her getting ready to slug some guy Yeah and she could knock someone on their ass Oh yeah With a kick to the head

57:08 Elsewhere Okay, we do some people to thank for show 610 and 611 and they will be given double producers credit They'll be given credit for both shows. So I'm going back and putting no No on this show you're gonna put the executive producer for shows six ten slash six But I don't mind it's easy for me to go back in also We can't separate them out let's just put it that way. And I promised them all double credits in the newsletter if you read the newsletter, I added... Did you get the other sad picture we sent? I was gonna use that picture and then... Mickey was disappointed. She thought that was well worth it It was a good picture, i'll put in the next newsletter just to show but because it was well done but is still too sunny But that was literally next to our room

58:03 What, the vending machine? That was not a vending machine. What was it? You're eating Oreos! I'm eating an Oreo in ruins...in a ruin- like in the doorway that's- It was in ruins Oh Was the Oreo's not- that wasn't the problem No, it wasn't the... no. It was still I don't know. I'll look at it again and we'll see. Oreos are just as addictive as cocaine! I mean they're oreos man come on! Oh alright well a joke in there I didn't get what an idiot okay anyway let's thank a few people we got too many too many we never have to many to thank but we have a lot to be fooling around Arthur Kessler in Logan Utah came up with $1,000 in some sort of e-check which took forever to cash

58:46 and but he had no real comments to make or give him a night, instant night. No alcohol and keep on revealing all things is all he says. Okay well thank you Arthur and I appreciate that. And that short note is negated by Michael Leary in Oslo, Norway. Question question question if you do an e-check does someone get a VIG? Or is that... Do we get all the money? No it's the same as though they just went straight in its far as I can tell okay good I don't know. $750,000? I have to look at the numbers. All I know is that we pay a lot of money in fees to PayPal and checks are well worth getting. $751 from Michael Leary in Norway. I'm donating 751 for your joint broadcasting magnificence this should take me to the sword being laid upon the shoulder extra dollars for John so he can add to his impecunious collection

59:36 for another weird musical instrument how about a swazzle jcd? Swazzle. Yes there is such an instrument clue punchin judy assuming i'm awarded a knighthood the suggested title is sir michael of hemlock Whilst here I feel compelled to offer the following sentiment to those non-contributors who only take. I'm a 70 year old geezer who's done a thing or two so i'll say this, in this life you only get what you put in So yes...so you! Yes YOU! Stop being such a cheap bastard and pony up I'd like to request a karma call out specifically for those aforementioned freeloaders and hope this causes them to meditate and reflect on their ways, and see the depth of the flaw that lurks beneath. For those who continue to freeload in sneer, to do it

1:00:23 F in head who needs you in the boat anyway? Oh and Adam get on with that f'in book, please the audio books Fine. In fact better It's a terrific job you boys are doing and remember you could be as well saving souls among us wretches You could well be saving souls among us right first of all Michael you need to get your ham license You'd be perfect for the ham band This is the kind of guy I talked to. Already, yeah! I took my rig by the way and I did some Q-sos You know there's different laws in Mexico? Oh I know i was completely breaking all laws Okay as long as you don't... But I told people..I was actually on a pier so I'm like yeah I'm in the Gulf of Mexico not really in Mexico

1:01:11 Anyway, so he says he's an ex Brit in Oslo PS most facts usually turn out to be lies waiting to be found I'm gonna give this guy some karma. He needs some Thank you Scott car Mike you Michael and we will continue our joint broadcasting magnificence Yes magnificent indeed Barry Hanna sent a check-in for $500 and he's in Akatox Alberta, Canada where all the money is and the shale oil. And he's got I have to say you can't see this but i have to say He has got a magnificent signature. No! I don't say that ever no I've not heard you say that

1:01:48 He's got short notes, he's mostly accounting. He's actually contributed like a total of $3500 bucks so far. Wow! He says just as short note... Can I just say something about that? Yeah. I feel anything over twenty dollars should not be called bucks Okay, does this ever bother you and so it's only a hundred bucks. I'm like that's a lot of money 100 is just me it's just me I guess yeah It is just you okay? He's been a listener for since show one he's in he's enjoyed everyone I find that hard to believe well Three was really mediocre I have donated several times but my donations have been overlooked I blame myself for this of course And I should have notified you sooner

1:02:39 He's up to, you know so he is getting his... A baron? Isn't he a baron by now? He is a baron but there has been a night. So he is a black knight baron. A black baron! Well we don't do black barons Why not? No just dont I'll take it with the peerage committee. I think he can optionally call himself a black baron if he wants But anyway so we overlooked him and there he is Oh Black Baron Bam-ba-lam Ryan Beck in Rancho Cucamonga. Rancho Cucamonga! 34567, my favorite donation Thanks for No Agenda the best podcast universe all of us listeners truly appreciate your informative and entertaining unbiased coverage that can't be found anywhere else I would like to promote my friend Ron Boyd's outstanding no agenda karma generator and No Agenda album art in the iTunes store Yeah he's got said he's got the book He's got the album art book

1:03:37 Yeah, please give yourself some karma and throw in a Pelosi jobs jobs jobs for good measure. Not right. Jobs jobs jobs and jobs let's vote for jobs! You've got karma. Nick Aizmendi in Waterford Michigan 3333. Hopefully I got this in for show 611 indeed, I had to think about it until the last minute being a college student at Kettering University Wow The renamed General Motors Institute in Flint Michigan I don't really have a lot of money to part with I guess I'll finish the term eating nothing but mac and cheese This is not his whole note That's all I got Oh no he sent a drunk donation He did? Yeah

1:04:32 I have it hold on. It was actually well worth it This is what how does this happen in fact he sent his? Let me see if I have it, I would look it up he sent his message like five times Yeah, no I haven't a second if I go in here all right have it What's-his-name Nick yeah Nick Ah, here we go. I love mutt okay uh nothing mac and cheese and then it says don't read on the show yeah i got it but then drunk note uh i'm drunk can i do the drunk? oh yeah no every you know i allow everyone to be drunk. Drunk is a drunk donation there's no agenda show well not really but i'm fucking wasted i'm at Kettering University Kettering is a slave training school

1:05:28 We have co-ops at really companies like GM some other bullshit and Beaumont Health System. We work for three months, then we go to school for three months and we do 16 to 20 credited hours per semester this is compared as a usual school which does 12 credit hours A lot of people are balding the school because the stress We get stem, oop the ass. In my t-department... CS department they as in a student body dislike the arts and would like less because we have to take liberals My econ professor is an African tribesman and he is badass Oh gotta go love Nick Perfect Nick thank you

1:06:23 That was interesting. Now I don't have anything from him, at least not with that email address. Riley Kimball in San Tan Valley Arizona 3333... I have a note from Riley? I believe this is it. Is this it? Yeah. I'm making sure he doesn't say well it's too late now anyway 73s ITM and thank you for your courage I'm donating today after listening to John's rant on why the NA show is important and why I need to do my part Show 608 after the second donation segment. I'm really, i think it's because we had a bad day...I'm really not sure what I would do if the NA show went away! There is too much nonsense out there in the news It's almost impossible to get things straight or figure out what is really important you guys flat-out are flat out amazing and You make it look easy when it really is not. I am choosing to donate today due to the extreme value I receive from listening to your show

1:07:20 Wow, thank you. I have found a certain peace of mind after listening to the NA show and it's high time that I donated to your value for value model! I have recently found gainful employment like to share my newfound wealth with YouTube nice Please give me a de-douching if i fit the criteria? I would also like to call out Brandon Merck or Mintz M-E-N-C. Brandon, I don't know why he got Merck... Brandon Mentz who is a founding producer but has transitioned into a douchebag. He's the CTO of a media tech company so we all know he can afford to donate. He hit me in the mouth about a year ago and i have been an avid listener ever since. We both continue to propagate the firm but for

1:08:00 as of for now I'm the only one donating and will be doing more to achieve knighthood may please have two to the head George Clooney is a spy WT7 shut up slave and karma it would be in honor if John would solo over these clips with his harmonica. Hold on second, two to the head George Clooney is a spy WTC 7 and then Shut up slave in karma. Okay. Excellent job John You've got talent. He also sent a picture and he says this is on every phone at my work And it says it's a sticker on every phone that says in case of emergency dial three three Really Wow Wow all right Anonymous from Aurora, Colorado Sent in another note 3333 which I will have to read I was at the movie theater

1:09:22 Sorry? Bad joke. Yeah, yeah it's in the same area This is the fourth time I've contributed monetarily to the show and still hesitant and unwilling to allow my identity to be revealed on this show Okay So please keep my name anonymous on this show I get a feeling that two of you tire of these insistence Not at all but the conservatives in HR and security always frown upon my involvement in any public endeavor. No, we're fine with that it's cool As I have had to report all contact with foreign nationals where does this guy work? It's an Aurora And they keep...I think he is FBI or something They keep a very close watch on my website and probably all of my social media pronouncements They'd probably blow a gasket if my name was included as if they listen

1:10:12 Do your controversial show it's not controversial. Controversial? No, we're not a controversial show We do news deconstruction is pretty straightforward also if someone sent me this if you want to send us encrypted email there's an open source project called mailvelope and it is a plugin for your browser, they have it for Chrome but luckily they have it for Firefox. And it'll work with Gmail Yahoo Outlook and some other... basically everything right in the browser. I have to say that this is the first program I've seen that makes encryption

1:10:53 easier a lot well you can put them to show yes mail the lope dot com male army let me finish is he's got his good notes i want to read it up I believe in America believe in the constitution I believe in democracy for the people in short and another fan who works for the three-letter agency where suspicion favoritism and retribution rule today wow I know that the two of your answer verse over politically revolutionary that's for sure what are we fight We're not subversive or politically revolutionary. I think the show is subversive because it reveals truth. Submersive maybe, I don't know about submersion. If i thought you weren't actual patriots and had ditched the show long ago... ...I would like to thank you once again for providing the citizens with a modicum of truth

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1:13:26 And then he does some accounting, and he must be Sir Anonymous of the ADF. You know what's so funny? Of the what? The ADF being the Aerospace Data Facility in Aurora Colorado Some of your knowing alumni may recognize the ADF but please don't spell it out for those who might be listening Good work! It is true though on vacation I was just trying to keep my mind off of stuff very hard. And this morning, I was still kind of stuck...I said to Mickey can you believe that Jodie Foster married that dyke who was with Ellen DeGeneres? This must be just one of the Hollywood lesbian cabal! Oh they just passed her around? That's basically what I would say and Mickey gave me a look he's like I really hate you

1:14:18 She knows you're right. But she hated that I was gossiping like that, and I hated myself for it! What am i doing? Yeah, what are you doing? Pass her around... yeah thank you You're spot on the money as usual. She must be good at something. R F or do Eccatar What do you think? Can you do better than that?" Well, it's on behalf of Stephen Marsh in Moscow. So I think we just leave it at that. Okay and it said 32180... Looks like someone is... Stephen Marsh! Who was Stephen Marsh?! Do we know him? He's in Moscow doing something. I don't know this is another mysterious person. Geisha Liquor in Augsburg Germany 222

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CHAPTER 12 / 35 Discussion

Native Advertising History and Taco Bell News Segments

Adam Curry revisits a 2013 clip from ABC News that he now identifies as an early example of "native advertising." The segment featured a human-interest story about customers "screaming" for a new Taco Bell product. Curry argues that major news networks frequently integrate paid corporate promotions into their standard news broadcasts under the guise of reporting.

native advertising· taco bell· abc news· the five· fox news· marketing

1:17:56 Executive producers, associate executive producer. I want to remind people we do have another show on Sunday where you'll have to try and catch up even though this is for two shows actually it's been so long. And Dvorak dot org slash NA channel, dvorak dot com slash na the no agenda show dot com and noagenda nation dot com both have donate buttons you can click on those as you pass through. Yes! And remember again the only reason why we can bring you such outstanding informative information gathering bringing reporting broadcast donations is because you are supporting us. This is, this is a very simple model. Before we go to all the little stuff you're going off too I want to...I think that reminder needs to be pounded home and I've got an example. I had a last...I'm doing this every few shows I'm doing a retrospective of old clips from years ago here's where we...this over year-old this is a clip

1:18:47 uh... this the clip you can queue it up as Taco Bell. This is when we first discovered native advertising before I think it was even coined and we start to spot it coming out, we saw on The Five, the Fox show where they're all eating McDonald's Big Macs. Oh right! Yep yep yep. This is ABC News World news or just news? ABC world news Drive down any major thoroughfare in America and it won't be long before you spot a Taco Bell. The fast food mega franchise known for its iconic talking chihuahua commercials, and forays into dishes as daring as they are delectable In a country fueled by fast food reimaginations of classic cuisine ABC's John Schiffen gets a first-hand look at an American company causing quite the stir

1:19:35 They could be screaming for a boy band, but instead they're screaming for of all things a taco. Oh yeah and I remember we did a little back-and-forth about this that this was probably because either there was a make good that someone had screwed something up in sales or ad sales programming rotation Or they had just done a huge buy and this was more likely, and this is part of it. Yeah! Hey, it's John down here in sales listen We've got a five million like five can you count this five with six? Here we got a five million dollar buy from Taco Bell You know that's the Pepsi Corporation They have other brands as well This is Taco Bell we really

1:20:24 Really would appreciate it if you could like kick off the the sweep that they've bought With a little item about their new taco and how you know we can actually turn into a human interest story because yeah We got this stock footage. I sent over of girls going crazy just like it's new kids on the block remember them That's how hip we are here in the ad sales department. I remember having this discussion if every day there was a little skit on it, yeah! I am now more inclined to believe that this was a straight out native advertising buy as opposed to a combination deal. Oh you don't think it was just an add-on? No I think this is a straight up

1:21:02 early version of native advertising done straight up without any, because I didn't see a lot of Taco Bell advertising on ABC necessarily but i saw this and this is only part one. This was about a four minute piece it may have been on Nightline but it was on ABC whatever and so I'm changing my opinion of what this was how it came about knowing what I know now well regardless we don't do that quite honestly we wouldn't last the week Yeah, yeah. Yeah let me just uh... Yeah hello? Yeah Adam it's a... You said the F word a couple times? Yeah no Taco Bell is pulling out man that's not how they want to address their demographic By the way John before I end this all up please if you-I don't care what you do with your filters on your email but i have two things to say One

CHAPTER 13 / 35 Discussion

Email Server Issues and Keyword Blacklisting

John C. Dvorak discusses technical issues with his email server, including the mysterious deletion of his alias files. He also complains about aggressive spam filters that blacklisted the word "nipples," preventing a listener from sending a story about a "Dr. Oz" show producer's strange request for a guest.

email filters· squirrel mail· blacklisting· censorship· server administration

1:22:04 Noagenda at Dvorak.org is broken, JCDvorak at Dvorak.org is broken. Well then you've unbroken them... No let me explain what happened. Wait and if you I don't care what kind of filters you put on your system but if the word F-U-C-K is not isn't no it's flagged by your email system as porn then don't email me with that word in it because when I reply to you then it gets trapped. Yeah, well I don't think that should happen but the other thing... No kidding! Here's what happened though i've talked to Mark about this who is my sysop and he says that there's been something fishy going on with my aliases yeah the alias file gets erased yeah that that's exactly what happened your alias so the alias file was gone so you could only get ahold of me at john at dvorak dot org because that's the main that's the real email

1:23:01 And then he put it back and it got erased again. He puts it back, so you think maybe I should change my password because I could go in there and scroll through that. And he says does not have the earmarks of a hacker... So what's done is written a script, now when it gets erased it gets put back in and he thinks might be able to figure out what happened That's the way to do it! Let's not solve the problem with just writing a script that replaces every time But it was funny because one of our producers sent in an email about Dr. Oz and how a producer from Dr. Oz had called a girlfriend of his, and was trying to convince her

1:23:40 to go on the show and say that she had gotten her nipples sunburned, even though she had gotten them sunburned in a tanning booth but they wanted her say that it was outside and she wouldn't do it. So we sent this email and it got sent back because the word nipples is here... It says message contains blacklisted porn string 550. Nipples! Oh Gow turned that off. That was just when I was healing Really? That's ridiculous. Yes! Nipples Yeah, because nipples is not necessarily... it has nothing to do with porn ever No

1:24:17 So who made that, out of interest? What brilliant programmer made this... I believe either Mark has some little program he's running or it's part of Squirrel Mail's anti-spam filters. I'm not sure, i'll find out It's ridiculous Yeah That is ridiculous Anyway thank you all very much to vorac dot org slash n a And of course we need to continue going out and doing the important work of propagating the formula Our formula is this We go out, we hit people in the mouth. Order! Shut up, slave! SHUT UP! Well well well... Ummm... Grenn Greenwald is in America. Oh yeah I know, I thought he was afraid to come here and they gave him the go ahead He's so proud and happy of himself. He won a Pulitzer Prize and a Polk and he is happy

CHAPTER 14 / 35 Discussion

Glenn Greenwald, Pulitzer Prizes, and The Intercept

Glenn Greenwald returned to the United States after winning a Pulitzer Prize for his reporting on Edward Snowden. Adam Curry criticizes Greenwald for holding back information from the Snowden archives to include in his upcoming book, calling it an unethical attempt to "enrich and enfame" himself. The hosts also note the lack of new content on Greenwald's news venture, The Intercept.

glenn greenwald· pulitzer prize· edward snowden· the guardian· the intercept· pierre omidyar

1:25:29 He's happy. Well, that's it Glenn Grangrima! That's it? That your payoff boy? Now the way I understand his stance... I thought he had to share the Pulitzer Yeah yeah he shares with The Guardian so he is part of the team Yeah and thats a Team Pulitzer this is the latest thing they've been doing They get all these journalists Markov friend of mine at the Times When he was at Infoworld I was the editor and promised him that he would get a Pulitzer So he got one, but he got it as part of a team and I just think that cheapens it. And do you then have to send an extra $100 to get your own copy of the trophy? Probably... Yeah thats the way it usually works. How does he know if its a trophy or is it just a certificate? Let me look it up. Oh Im sure there's some kind of plaque or something. It should be a nice plaque. There it is!

1:26:28 Well, it's a trophy. It's a There's a bunch of different ones. It's a very weird looking thing well people can look it up on their own Here's I got news for you John we're never gonna get one no not gonna have possible anyway So yeah so they came in and Laura Poitras she's in because she is getting ready to do the snow job movie what she's doing for Skoll over there the inconvenient truth guy And there's a lot of interesting things going on at the same time and I want to move over to Ed Snowden. And our buddy over there, what's his name? That's him! But first, Gran Greenwald Now it was my understanding that Edward Snowden had specifically chosen Laura Poitras Barton Gelman Gran Greenwald

1:27:23 because it was the way he wanted the information to present, to be presented through mainstream publications and specifically not The New York Times. Because they weren't trustworthy or whatever I believe that this information belongs to us, to everybody I go back and forth because i really have no idea what it is. So, you know a huge document dump probably wouldn't be productive... ...I like the idea that its being vetted but don't necessarily like the people who are vetting it And I don't like the timeline of how they're doing this and when I heard this little interview with Glenn I had to cut out the gloating part about how his phone started ringing and buzzing and I'm all wet!

1:28:12 Left that out because it just makes me throw up in my mouth. I put a time put a time mark down Yes, sir okay When I heard this I'm upset at what's going on and i think that he is an a-hole. And I believe you have a book coming out very soon, it'll be coming out in May right? I do so that's one of the reasons why intend to come back to the US a lot but then I think the material in the book which includes a lot of new stories from The Snowden Archive

1:28:49 has a lot of impact for the United States and I want to be able to come back and talk with people most affected by that story, which are Americans. So that's... So i thought the book was mostly going to be about the reporting so far but you're saying it is also going to have new information from the documents? Yeah there are stories that I felt in the beginning really needed the length of a book to report on and do justice too. There's new documents, there's new revelations in the book that will help inform the debate even further This to me is disgusting You're telling me that you have held things back so that you can enrich and in fame yourself with new revelations that are important to the American people? That's not okay. Is there some journalistic thing I'm missing this doesn't seem okay to me It's an interesting ethical situation that you bring up

1:29:44 I'm trying to decide what i would well, I would do that too but you know that's me. Yeah he's this is going to be a huge best-selling book and maybe he's been Mr oh we're all about you know We can't do a document dump because this is what my source wanted did your source want you to write a book and keep some of that for yourself? Grenn Is that what your source wanted? I find that hard to believe Yeah, the problem I have with it is kind of what you're skirting which is not his information. Really the reporter here is Snowden in some funny way but in modern parlance the way we think about bloggers and everybody else as journalists Snowden is actually a journalist because he unearthed a bunch of things in his research He's the one who dug this stuff up

1:30:40 Yes, he what he didn't do was reveal. What would he did was write it up as articles and Didn't you know check with the State Department and a CIA journalist shouldn't do anyway, but in the NSA well they Admitted this is what they do now They do that because they otherwise I don't know they would get fired which is another reason that we should people should continue to support our show Because nobody can fire us I mean yeah the government guys, which i said well you're worried of the government? No the government listens to this show they enjoy Noah's Geneshow. They do! They don't support us but some do. This guy in Aurora is government. The government itself doesn't support us of course not um anyway so...I have mixed feelings about it and I think your right think I'm not gonna say your wrong in the way you feel about this

1:31:34 I, I... Maybe Greenwald's not full of it. Maybe, well I doubt it but is possible that what he says is true which is there was a couple of things like Matt Taibbi and I have a clip from him later who Needs a book to for some of these these outrageous situations that are complex. Maybe he's right He can't do it in a 2500 word article well I'm at a baby has been pages Matt Aebs articles are extremely long Right and very well researched and very and I love reading them yeah, no I mean I'm sorry I loved reading them because of course he is now also been put into the

1:32:12 the sinkhole known as the Pierre Drive My Car system. Intercept is a good name because they intercept all good information and suck it down into into a black hole of... So are there anything new on the intercept? Oh, there's nothing. There is not a single thing Nothing new posted since Easter Since that guy said they weren't going to post anything because... What was his lame reason again? We had a clip from him No we didn't have the clip I read a bit of what he posted Yeah he said you know we don't have time which were setting stuff up It doesn't take that long to set stuff up How does it intercept out what? Not comms

CHAPTER 15 / 35 Discussion

Edward Snowden's Question to Vladimir Putin

Edward Snowden participated in a televised Q&A with Russian President Vladimir Putin, asking about Russia's mass surveillance programs. While some viewed this as a staged propaganda move, Curry posits a theory that the event might reflect an ongoing feud between the CIA and the NSA, suggesting Putin's response about lacking NSA-level funding was a calculated jab at the American signals intelligence agency.

edward snowden· vladimir putin· russia· nsa· cia· mass surveillance

1:32:56 No, it's I don't know. It's the first under something else so you can keep talking? I'm sorry no just um I had a thought though You're sitting on the beach you thinking about stuff and I was thinking about About Snowden calling into Putin's Little TV show right which was Funny if nothing else well And and well this I read all this caused quite a bit of a stir hold on a second let me stop ya The Cuban Twitter scam, April 4th is the last thing they printed on this intercept with all these hot shots? Yeah. Still? Yeah! There's something wrong with my mic here... It was the 24th and we had 20 days with not one thing published?! Oh what is wrong with my microphone?? I'm sorry, I don't know there's something that was wrong in my mic alright. You sound fine. No it's not fine yeah so that's uh that's the last thing yeah it's dead. What I think payroll isn't going through

1:34:00 Hey, you know there's my check. Where's where who is the other Jay Rosen didn't he join that thing? Yeah He's not listed he said yeah, he's an advisor We've got all these baldies hot shots. Yeah, I don't know where they are. I'm sorry I don't know what's going on. I would have to say something fishy but okay So Snowden, he calls in and there's a lot of people who already thought he was an agent for the Russians. They said oh well see? There you go! His lawyer... I mean everyone was... all his advisors are dumbfounded by this And quite honestly He is a whistleblower You could call him a journalist but he is a whistleblower

1:34:54 He has no business questioning Vladimir Putin. He's got no documents on Putin, who does he think he is? I think this could be hubris... I'm Ed Snowden! Everyone's getting awards and I'm here, well crap, I'm gonna call into the show and stir something up and ask a- I'm gonna speak truth to power or something, maybe it was that however Here's what happened, and I just want to take it for what it is. And he even wrote an op-ed in The Guardian Did you read this thing? He got me on that Oh yeah no he had too because everyone was freaking out Let me see if I have it here On Thursday I questioned Russia's involvement in mass surveillance on live television Which by the way is a lie

1:35:40 It was a pre-recorded bit. It was not alive, this is... I don't think that a lot of people actually went and took the trouble to look at it because if you look at the video and anything about television this was a pre-recorded bit uh it was set up perfectly by the host it was rolled in and then they freeze framed him on the screen while Putin answered the question. It was not live! Not live! It was just not live I asked Russia's President Vladimir Putin a question that cannot credibly be answered in the negative by any leader who runs a modern intrusive surveillance program. Does filling your country here intercept, analyze or store millions of individual communications? I went on to challenge whether even if such a mass surveillance program were effectively and technically legal it could ever be morally justified

1:36:32 The question was intended to mirror the now infamous exchange in the US Senate Intelligence Committee hearings between Senator Ron Wyden and the Director of National Intelligence James Clapper about whether the NSA collected records on millions of Americans, and to invite either an important concession or a clear evasion. So this is how he's explaining what he did with Clapper's lie I'm dropping a piece here. Now, let me tell you what I am thinking happened here And just bear with me because if you look at it the way I look at it, It's very possible. So what does Vladimir Putin answer? He says first of all he says as a spy let me talk to you as a man in the spy business. I'm paraphrasing that's kind of what he said correct and then he said at the end we don't have the money that the NSA has correct yeah how about this when we listen to it we interpreted it

1:37:53 If we could, we would. Well I was thinking about it and sitting there on the beach and i'm thinking first of all do you recall the open mic gaffe? The open mic gaffe when President Obama leaned over to Dmitry Medvedev and said yeah yeah yeah you tell Putin this that I'll have more flexibility after I re-elected You recall this open mic gaffes Oh yea well there's a lot of open mic gaffes that was one of many Well that was good Now what if What if? Now the White House, the Obama administration their allegiance... Their guys are the CIA. They decide and they kill people! They kill people with drones wet work they've got secret budgets and the CIA as we know is very pissed off about the billions and billions of dollars the NSA has

1:38:47 Those bunch of techno weaning nerds have got all that money and they've got the goods on everybody because they're spying on everybody And we've got to stop them in their tracks We've always held a certain belief that this can be this Snowden affair can be a CIA versus NSA feud it's an NSA thesis what if Vladimir Putin as he says himself is an agent, but a CIA agent Bear with me Putin. Yeah Because he says, hey Snowden as a fellow CIA agent we don't have the money those NSA guys got. I'm curious to see if this response from Putin comes back into the money angle against the NSA and you've gotta wonder in general who Putin is really working for? I find it hard to believe that this guy

CHAPTER 16 / 35 Discussion

Ukraine Crisis and NATO Article 5 Rhetoric

The hosts analyze the escalating rhetoric regarding the Ukraine crisis, focusing on Representative Mike Rogers' calls for a more robust NATO presence in Eastern Europe. They critique the media's use of "Article 5" (collective defense) as a new propaganda meme and compare the current situation to the 2008 conflict in Georgia and South Ossetia.

ukraine· nato· mike rogers· cnn· cold war· article 5· south ossetia

1:39:49 is the crazy all about Russia that he's being portrayed as. I wish there was still a Soviet Union! In fact, let me grab real quick... Let me grab... where is he? Rogers on... Bad Dog Mike?! Yeah, that'll be his DJ name I guess huh? Okay, so CNN is going crazy about Ukraine now. And now the plane thing is really getting old Here's Mike Rogers who really just wants war with Russia and I don't think it's not real It's isolationism

1:40:34 And I think the White House is now actually saying isolationism, which means Cold War. But this Mike Rogers he's representative and we can't vote him out because he's leaving but don't listen to his radio show is the chairman of the house intelligence committee he's joining us now uh... good idea to have these exercises as they're called in poland estonia latvia lithuania all nato allies and this is a mccourse we'd be nice action play this the little cnn hype yeah wrong order it's a scene reminiscent of the cold war u.s troops landing in eastern europe to counter the threat with a marching band from russia

1:41:17 These paratroopers from the 173rd Airborne are the first of 600 soldiers to deploy for exercises in Poland, Latvia, Lithuania and Estonia. All NATO allies all nervous about where Russia could strike next. Nervous! They're striking! And it could be here... Tens of thousands of Russian troops conducting their own exercises today just across the border from eastern Ukraine. Which is not a NATO country, but okay! Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov appeared to lay the rhetorical groundwork for Russia to invade saying Russian citizens in Ukraine are under threat I don't see any other way but respond in full accordance with international law

1:41:59 Russian citizens being attacked is an attack against the Russian Federation. Okay, so I'm just gonna say this is all these guys are working together John This is a big play Everyone is now saying oh this is just like Georgia Just like Georgia, and I'd like to remind anyone who forgot even though the narrative is Russia attacked Georgia. No no no it is in fact very much the same where Georgia encroached on South Ossetia they started firing and Russia then protected its citizens this has been admitted It isn't history books this way but the narrative is

1:42:35 uh... russia attacked georgia now let's go back to do she bag rogers it's a great idea you've got a great idea need to reassure our allies that we will be there were not walking away from our nato commitments who it adroitly should be more robust i'd do do we think we could do larger exercises nato exercises u s lead nato exercise in a place like poland idu But this is a very good start and a very good sign to let Putin know that we won't tolerate, the United States won't tolerate any incursion into NATO states. And I also think an hope that we can get to a better position, US position in Ukraine. But Putin knows that an attack on a NATO ally whether Poland or these Baltic states, that's an attack on all NATO allies given Article 5 of NATO he is not going

1:43:23 reckless. This is beautiful, this is so... Can you stop just one second? There's something I don't think we pointed out the meme that I just noticed it but we've heard it over and over and over again this is the attack on one country article 5 and they go on in and this has been the meme they have made I don't remember a year ago anybody bringing this up and commenting attack on one countries attack on all countries! Have you isn't this new The harping, I'm talking about the harping. Oh no this is the meme! This is the entire idea... Is this article 5 NATO, NATO article five attack on one it's New World Order speak as what is. It's completely theater and I'm pretty sure Putin is in on it but its theater to meld your mind into this and this by the way

1:44:20 Are we seriously going to sit here? And a lot, well I know the answer but...I am not going to sit here and allow the media and the government and military and whoever else is involved in this theater uh..to hoax us into this again. I'm tired of Cold War lies and bull crap! I'm tired of attacking countries and war! I'm tired of it! I'm tired like Iraq You know, and we're so easy to say well it was just like Iraq. There's no consequence... Who went to jail for that? Did anyone go to jail for lying and get us into Iraq? No! Thousands hundreds of thousands of people have died I'm tired of your little theater

1:45:07 turn off your television people this is bull. Again we're not dealing with somebody who has the same rational thought process oh he's not rational? No! He's crazy! Look at the craziness that we may have thought even two years ago, now he's become crazy it must be the weed decisions based on what he thinks the position of both NATO and the US are No kidding, no one in Europe wants these sanctions Mike Rogers because they like heat and

1:45:50 They like gas to cook on, they like trade. They like selling things this is very important the only thing Europe is going to get Germany is in there trying to steal the mining industry from East Ukraine. Oh, that's happening! But no one really wants this Mike Rogers except you, you more war-mongering douchebag! Just take a douche bag! In Georgia they've walked away from the NATO talks with Georgia because of the Russian invasion in South Ossetia Well, hold on a second. I'm sorry that's incorrect and of course you'd expect the Brolf to say well no that's not exactly correct That's not the way it happened Georgia encroached on South Ossetia and the Russians retaliated That's fact And has been admitted by

1:46:36 the government is just that's not the story you're telling Mike Rogers wait you are the government, you lying sack of crap. The NATO talks with Georgia because of the Russian invasion in South Ossetia in Georgia That was back in 2008 Back in 2000 No that was back in 2000 thanks Brolf Great journalistic move! And they said they wouldn't be there long. They've built full-time bases for their FSB officers along the borders, big and I actually have been on the border and seen these sites. They have schools they have playgrounds... Oh you just send in a drone! Send in a drone let's kill some kids Rogers! These are not temporary facilities they're there for good and so I think all the indicators led Putin to believe

1:47:17 he can be more bold, he can be more aggressive. There's just not a lot that NATO and the US can do." Until he moves! Until he strikes until he attacks now the problem is so we had John O Brennan go into Kiev and of course but he was supposed to be there undercover and he got found out he got busted like oh crap what are we gonna do Well, there's normal course of business. That's why he was out there... No! What he said is get the tanks rolling you've got to in Eastern Ukraine Donetsk You have to provoke Putin and get him let's start this we gotta get this thing going already We got more the war machine is good to go The BBC I did find a report that gave us the actual facts of what happened so we had Yats, the Prime Minister

CHAPTER 17 / 35 Discussion

Geneva Agreement Failure and Ukraine Energy Debts

The April 17th Geneva Agreement intended to stabilize Ukraine is reportedly failing as both sides accuse the other of non-compliance. John Kerry and Sergei Lavrov remain at odds over the disarming of ultra-nationalist groups in Kiev. Meanwhile, the IMF is negotiating a $27 billion bailout for Ukraine, much of which is needed to cover energy debts owed to Russia.

geneva agreement· john kerry· sergei lavrov· imf· crimea· energy debt

1:48:10 He looks like a bass player from a bad 70s disco band, doesn't he? It's this prime... it doesn't look like a... he does not very Prime Minister presidential-y like. Like a bass guy and nothing against bass players but... Adam at Curry dot com Send the tanks! Send the tanks! The international deal to calm tensions in Ukraine backed by Russia and the West seems in danger of collapse. Ukraine's acting president has ordered the relaunch of military operations against pro-Russia militants, that is after two men one a local politician was found dead in the east of the country

1:48:46 In a separate development, the US is sending 600 military personnel to Poland and three Baltic states for what are officially labelled NATO exercises. Well, the BBC's Natalia Antelava is in the Donetsk mining region in eastern Ukraine and I asked her about the mood there after the announcement that the military campaign against protesters was going to resume The moods I think would be best described as sort of anxious, nervous everybody in the waiting for this second part of the anti-terrorist operation by the Ukrainian forces will entail. The first part that took place before Easter wasn't terribly successful we saw Ukrainian tanks roll in and very quickly some of them surrendered their

1:49:35 have their armed vehicles and in some cases weapons to pro-Russian demonstrators. So it was a very humiliating experience for the Ukrainian army I'm sure the government in Kiev will be trying to make sure it doesn't happen again." I didn't hear Brolf mention that, that the Kiev Army basically went, oh crap! I'm not gonna shoot you here take my tank they did just lay down arms like we're not gonna do that So that's why now we have NATO flexing its muscle in all of these NATO states and making a lot of noise because they couldn't get any fireworks to go. And I say send in Joe O'Biden, send in crazy old Joe. Shirley give him this tell him to say this. No nation has the right to simply grab land from another nation no nation has that right and we will never recognize

1:50:33 Russia's illegal occupation of Crimea and neither will the world. Yeah, thanks Joe! So he does that at the Ukrainian Parliament Now we have the Geneva Agreement This is the 17th April Geneva Agreement The document that calls for reciprocal actions to stabilize Ukraine Now, there's a disagreement between Watermelon Head Kerry and the man with the golden gun Lavrov about this agreement. Because what was supposed to happen is both sides that would be United States and Russia were supposed to... or Ukraine it's called Ukraine-the US to disarm of the ultra nationalists And this didn't happen in Kiev

1:51:28 The right-wing party, what is their name? Yes. Right Party or something like that... Yeah they're still occupying buildings and they're still in Kiev and they're still... essentially Ukraine and EU and US didn't keep up the end of the bargain! So this is falling apart and Kerry he's such a moron He's trying to do anything he can to keep this going. Of course, you know this is what the neocons want, the same people who took us into Iraq that's the same people I can't say it as often as you want and he does a speech with no chin monster Kathy Ashton The high representative of the EU By the way i found out she had to do her confirmation hearing twice because they didn't like it the first time

1:52:21 Did you know that? No. Yeah, he's such a moron she's dumb she's dumb as wood the wood that Carrie's head is made of and He's answering some questions and of course this is really only about one thing How the IMF or the troika of the IMF the European Central Bank You know going in to rape this country You watch the German steel industry will get done asks. They will get the mining the mining part They want the pipelines It's that the land and you know now the IMF is looking at 27 billion dollars of which 15 needs to go to Russia for back pay in Russia actually this before the my den euro my den Russia offered

1:53:10 a bailout of that 15 billion dollars of the money owed for back pay and gas. And now this is what was essentially rejected by the agreement between Ukraine and EU after the putsch And so now, yeah. Now Putin's law officer is like well we're not going to pay us! And finally did Russia make any commitment on you? This is the Q&A section of Vickery speech. Ukraine debt and the gas payments it says are overdue The answers are no commitments with respect to the debt No commitments with respect to the gas payments overdue but a commitment to engage

1:53:50 in a dialogue that Lady Ashton just described which will begin to tackle the whole question of energy. Yeah, in other words no not at all we did you know of course not and now the poor citizens of Ukraine will be paying double for their energy. Now this one Jen Psaki was here I watched the whole thing was that this little speech Catherine Ash has no business doing public speaking anyway And they, so you know how it's all scripted the Washington Post and AP and everybody. By the way is the beautiful girl from The Washington Post who asked questions? Have you ever seen this girl from The Washington Post? She like a... A beautiful girl from The Washington Post? Oh yeah I forget her name its hmm I wrote it in the show notes somewhere. They're all in Ukraine all the beautiful people are there

CHAPTER 18 / 35 Discussion

State Department Briefing on Crimea and Anti-Semitism Hoax

During a State Department briefing, spokesperson Jen Psaki was questioned about whether the West has effectively "given up" on Crimea. The discussion also covers a controversial pamphlet distributed in Donetsk requiring Jews to register with the government, which John Kerry cited as "grotesque" but was later exposed by various news outlets as a hoax.

jen psaki· john kerry· crimea· anti-semitism· donetsk· hoax

1:54:40 But they let it get away with the British guy from the British CNBC. I don't think this question was scripted and it kind of ends the news conference Thank you Steve Sedgwick CNBC. I'm amazed up until the last answer Secretary of State and Baroness Ashton that we haven't heard the word Crimea at all today Can I confirm now that the West and Ukraine have given up on Crimea? And that the whole sanctions process and escalation of sanctions or de-escalation of sanctions has now got nothing to do with Crimea anymore It's all about the south and east of remaining Ukrainian territory This is the guy who deserves a Polk Award

1:55:19 That's a very good question. You didn't mention Crimea at all in 40 minutes of babbling? No, you cannot confirm that and I'm amazed that you asked that question after the answer I just gave Maybe it was a question you really felt you had to ask and despite my prior answer you asked it anyway Off script! Yeah, of course! Telling him shut up slave because he went off script I'm a shoo-out at guy who asks the question. Yeah, I'm amazed you asked this idiotic question that was not in the script to anybody else Jim Saki is sleeping in the tent tonight Yeah, different on Crimea and I said it was illegal And I said we disagree with the basis on the Constitution of Ukraine as well as an international law. Just set it I just said no he didn't by the way addition to that The fact is that we just sanctioned them two days ago? I believe I'm gonna issue of Crimea what so the fact is but we have made it crystal clear that there is a significant difference over Crimea between

1:56:18 We are not, quote, given up. Today we didn't come here to talk about Crimea. No! We came here to talk about Jews All expressions of extremism racism and religious intolerance including anti-semitism Let me say a quick word about that. Yeah, this is the letter... This is the pamphlet that was handed out to... which has now been internationally recognized by Haaretz newspaper, by ThinkProgress, by Leslie Weiss as a hoax, as a fake! John Kerry is saying this just in the last couple of days

1:57:01 notices were sent to Jews in one city, indicating that they had to identify themselves as Jews. And obviously the accompanying threat implied is or threaten or suffer the consequences one way or another In 2014 after all of the miles traveled and all of the journey history This is not just intolerable, it's grotesque. Grotesque! It is beyond unacceptable. You can stop him I can't stand listening to this guy for too long So now of course what he's...this note backfires on him because the whole idea is to say oh yes anti-Semites they want to kill the Jews it's all about the Jews They wanna kill the Jews so this thing is exposed as a massive hoax

CHAPTER 19 / 35 Discussion

State Department Photo Evidence and Twitter Intelligence

Associated Press reporter Matt Lee grills Jen Psaki over the State Department's use of "photographic evidence" to prove Russian military presence in Ukraine. Lee points out that the photos were sourced from Twitter and Instagram, and one specific "soldier" identified in the photos appeared to be the same man from the 2008 Georgia conflict, leading to skepticism about the administration's intelligence gathering.

jen psaki· matt lee· state department· twitter· instagram· photo evidence

1:58:01 Now here, now on the NOAA Gender Show we get to do things that you just cannot get on regular newscasts because advertisers need don't want it. We got to hit the brake. We gotta do this news coming up at the top of there whatever Matt of uh he's Reuters I think right? Mat in the State Department. That was AP. He may have no idea he's Reuters okay. Matt and in a minute you'll hear Matt double teaming with Saeed but Matt Is having none of this bull crap and let's start first with the photo

1:58:38 Now the photos, which you by now have probably seen. Even the New York Times... I'm calling it PhotoGate actually The New York Times is now backpedaling on this They published photos and said hey this guy who has a non-uniform in Donetsk with the beard like the ZZ Top guy he was in Russia! In Georgia and he's a Russian soldier It's fact Russian solid soldiers, Russian Russia. It's the Russians! So Matt calls Jen Psaki on this and I've edited this down in just the most beautiful way. The stories and reports about these photographs is evidence that I've seen say that the administration endorses or

1:59:26 accepts that these are factual. By the way, these were taken from some guy's Instagram as it turns out Is that correct? Well a range of the photos that the Ukrainians have provided and to be fair a number of US officials have tweeted Oh! It has been tweeted! ...provided publicly are from publicly available photos either in international media or already on Twitter I love this now she is going to make the case that this is true because its been on Twitter and in international media. That show either individuals or signs of a connection between Russia and some of the armed militants in eastern Ukraine, so that as you know has long been what we have believed... It gets better! You know I concluded she was behind my NYPD

2:00:23 Well, with the stupid Twitter stuff. Yeah could be! Hey it works so well for the Ukrainians let's do it for the police! ...whether that's the secretary or the president or others um... So these are just further evidence of the connection between Russia and the armed militants How strong is the case? Do you think that these photographs make? Well, we've stated the case pretty strongly publicly before these photos were out there. Before we were talking about them in terms of our belief that there's a strong connection between Russia and the armed militants that we've seen in eastern Ukraine This is your American government failing at lying

2:01:05 about the fact that they have no proof whatsoever that these are Russian troops. And the other thing is, this guy you're telling me... when was Georgia? It was like four or five years ago? 2008. The guy hasn't shaved his beard or changed his look. Is it same exact guy?! His agent said don't change that man! This is good. This is a look I can get you work, I can make you famous! I can make you leave your wife famous dude if you keep the beard just watch. Crimea and other places so this is more uh... just further photographic evidence. Evidence? Right but how certain are you that these photographs show have links to Russia who were involved in Georgia 2008 and now are involved in Ukraine

2:01:48 2014. Well, what we see in the photos that have been again in international media on Twitter and... It's been on Twitter Matt! Shut up, it's been on Twitter. You know it's real! Publicly available is that there are individuals who visibly appear to be tied to Russia We've said that publicly a countless number of times I want you all draw the conclusions yourself as to whether these are individuals who look similar or not When we say so, its so and if it's on Twitter Six years ago he looks the same as today exactly The funny thing is I think these guys have been eating their own dog food

2:02:25 Because I they, I don't know you know this is like these my NYPD things that we brought up at the beginning of the show. Yes yes It's a State Department knows they can pull off this stupid crap for the press Turkey or the press for the press so outside the country but The United States you the typical idiot in the United States has been on social media since the beginning and is more likely to react to this kind of manipulation. I gotta disagree, I think that the typical United States citizen is all in! No but here's the yeah but it's a cycle of in you're in at the beginning

2:03:07 It cycles through the hoax notion, it comes back around as a negative thing. We don't just sit on it and then cause a revolution based on some scam, some phony baloney thing everybody eventually comes around to realizing its a hoax I mean this is what happens with all the hoaxes that go through Facebook and Twitter and all the rest. Oh it was a hoax, there's still a few complete idiots yes but i don't think its anything like outside the country. I'm telling you this just backfires always with the New York PD thing Have you so even The New York Times They have been hoaxed so often Well they...this is the newspaper of record

2:03:50 I mean, this is a black mark on the New York Times. Just one of many but have you ever seen a white guy and an Arab guy double team a redhead? Don't know what you mean by that, but what well here's Matt and Said going after Jen. Well she's a redhead We saw last night secretary Kerry in Geneva getting up and talking about this leaflet that was put out which? Regarding Jewish registration in Donetsk and it appears that this is just hoax This is not a real thing no note he saying it's a hoax This is a

2:04:35 representative of the media saying this is a hoax and he'll come back to the pictures again and just watch what happens, and listen to this woman trying to get out. Yet it was identified as something of major significance by the secretary and by others I'm just wondering given that and the apparent fact or what appears to have been a hoax got turned into something very much more major than it potentially, that it had the potential to be if these photographs could fall...if the Russians could point to these photographs as falling into the same category.

2:05:18 Well, Matt there's a range of details out there we've talked about that leads us to believe there is strong connection. We'll let people draw their own conclusions. Jen but you're saying you are making a case in this case? Let me finish I would point you what the secretary and president... all liars by the way, all liars. Susan Rice has said what we've all been saying for weeks about the strong connection this is not a new argument. Are you saying that the United States government with its great

2:05:55 tradition of intelligence gathering and sources and so on is now dependent on publicly traded photographs, on the internet and Twitter and so on? I think it's fair just to convey that we're looking at a fair share of classified and unclassified information. We're discussing both This is where she's in the corner, Matt is sharpening up the knife. But these are a range of photos and you've hit the point on the nail on the head that have been publicly available, that are on Twitter, they're international media and we'll let you draw your own conclusions No it isn't something that they appear to be, they look like

2:06:37 Are you saying that these photographs back up classified intelligence that you've gotten from them. No, I'm not saying that at all! I'm saying they back up the public argument we've been making for weeks They back up the bullcrap lies we've been making out Right but your argument is not just based on publicly available photographs like these ones correct? Obviously i'm not going to talk about classified information Well I'm just asking if it's fair... It is fair that we are having a range of conversations with our international partners

2:07:19 uh... and said these photos are butcher began publicly available just further evidence or further examples? I guess, I'm just not sure why you keep pointing out that they're publicly available. No one's saying they're not but just because they are publicly available doesn't...I don't see how that buttresses your argument one way or the other what i'm asking is whether these publicly available photographs mesh with back up anything any indications to your getting from non-public or Intel.

2:07:59 These are good questions. Yeah, you don't have to even ask that argument We've been making for weeks about would you make that public argument if you didn't have other reason to believe? I'm not sure then you're just Making it up. You have no we have no reason to believe Consistently made the same argument about the connection between we see between Russia and and between these armed militants. That's been consistent for weeks, these photos just show further examples of that connection but you wouldn't be making that argument am I correct? You wouldn't be making that argument if you didn't have other reasons to suspect this we feel confident in our argument i'm not gonna back it up

2:08:43 publicly available evidence, this publicly available evidence does actually support what we have gathered by other means. What we've stated for weeks? Do we have any more on this topic? Yeah I have one more question now the Russians are claiming that the Ukrainians are already you know they whatever you call it they're already violated in terms of their agreement in Geneva do you have any comment on that no no comment So I want to go back before we get too far off the field, to my favorite analyst which is Bald Herbert.

2:09:18 of France 24, Ban Kat who was in the Ukraine again and he's actually in the area where the Donetsk area where there is with a hoax Jewish thing was sent out. And I don't understand why it would even go there because these people are trying to renounce the right wingers that would be if anyone would send out that letter wouldn't be in this area and this...and this is the guy you recall his really clued us in on Crimea. Oh yes, that's this guy okay yeah great! This guy so he's now over there and he's going to give us a... I want you to contrast this with what you played earlier from the BBC which told us nothing

CHAPTER 20 / 35 Discussion

Professor Stephen Cohen on Ukrainian Civil War Risks

Professor Stephen Cohen warns on CNN that Ukraine is on the cusp of a civil war that could lead to the "balkanization" of the country. He notes that the Obama administration has reportedly adopted a new policy of "containment" toward Russia, signaling a formal return to Cold War-era diplomacy. The hosts argue that breaking Ukraine into smaller micro-states would benefit international arms dealers.

stephen cohen· cnn· balkanization· civil war· containment· new york times

2:08:43 publicly available evidence, this publicly available evidence does actually support what we have gathered by other means. What we've stated for weeks? Do we have any more on this topic? Yeah I have one more question now the Russians are claiming that the Ukrainians are already you know they whatever you call it they're already violated in terms of their agreement in Geneva do you have any comment on that no no comment So I want to go back before we get too far off the field, to my favorite analyst which is Bald Herbert.

2:09:18 of France 24, Ban Kat who was in the Ukraine again and he's actually in the area where the Donetsk area where there is with a hoax Jewish thing was sent out. And I don't understand why it would even go there because these people are trying to renounce the right wingers that would be if anyone would send out that letter wouldn't be in this area and this...and this is the guy you recall his really clued us in on Crimea. Oh yes, that's this guy okay yeah great! This guy so he's now over there and he's going to give us a... I want you to contrast this with what you played earlier from the BBC which told us nothing

2:09:58 This guy is going to now give us the rundown on what's going on in the eastern Ukraine and what is maybe worse headed. Fear that Geneva Accord is dead and buried essentially, those were words of Ukrainian interim president It's precisely because towns like Slovyansk Now I'm in Donetsk and Donetsk is officially the capital of the self-proclaimed People's Republic of Donetsk, the separatists' stronghold. Yet Sloviansk is a town that appears more hardcore, sort of taken over by more of a siege mentality than even Donetsk The Organization for Security and Cooperation in Europe has monitors on the grounds in this region, and they are ostensibly here to help implement and ease the implementation of the Geneva Accords. However they have said themselves that Sloviansk where I spent the entire day yesterday is essentially totally under control of armed groups And the siege mentality you really can't understate it wherever you go there's a sense that

2:10:57 The regime in Kiev are full of fascists. It's a junta, essentially that is out to get the East. The mayor of town held a press conference yesterday, Vyacheslav Ponomaryov. He is pro-Russian and self proclaimed mayor not recognized by anyone outside his own town or region and he basically sees American mercenaries everywhere or says he sees their presence. He see Ukrainian army about to strike his town Basically everyone here says they want a referendum, not just greater autonomy that Kiev is holding out as a possibility. They want to federalize state if not totally to break away from Ukraine and join Russia. They're not laying down their arms anytime soon and anyone who questions their motives or who questions their willingness to perhaps listen to other people suddenly becomes an enemy to them. They do not wanna hear any other version of the truth

2:11:50 Yeah, that makes total sense to me. And I like this guy. American mercenaries are probably their cause in trouble and these guys were found tortured who probably God knows what's going on with that but this is a serious situation and our fooling around is not gonna accomplish anything these guys are gonna do what they're gonna do. I got two quick clips from Professor Steve Cohen This is the guy that you turned us on to I think initially right like Cohen yeah, Cohen. No well I didn't think Cohn would ever get back and get asked back because he's making too much sense but he's on some Some overnight show on CNN now The two o'clock in the morning it here He is and but he says some interesting things that no agenda listeners will clue into we all remember what happened peaceful protests became violent in streets

2:12:43 He was overthrown, he fled. A new government was formed and then the focus shift to Eastern Ukraine which is largely pro-Russian that's what we're watching now The problem here is a lot of tales are wagging the dog The dog being East West relations and the possibility of war These violent episodes at checkpoints, snipers, young toughs wearing masks. We don't know who they are. Armed militia roaming the lands both in the east and the west and it's not clear that Russia can control these developments or that Kiev which is backed by the United States in Europe can control those developments in Western Ukraine so I think we're on the cusp of civil war in Ukraine regardless of what Russia and the United States might decide

2:13:30 And that is probably exactly what everybody wants. Let's balkanize that, let's break it up. Let's make it into a small micro-state. About three or four. Three of four yeah and he continues with what were the obvious Yeah and you can see how some of these provocations could spiral out of control I mean you talk about sort of harkening back to the Cold War to the Soviet Union one of the things we just heard from the Prime Minister of Ukraine was saying this is what Vladimir Putin wants He staging a return to the days in the USSR What do you make of that assertion? What do you think? I dismiss it as the propaganda on one side. Here's one of the problems we have, Russia is churning out its propaganda or misinformation Kiev its and Washington its Now listen to what The New York Times reported today on Sunday On the front page that Obama's administration has decided to write off Putin

2:14:24 as a leader and to go back to the old Cold War policy of containment. They use that word now if that report is accurate, didn't give any sources but it was on the front page in The New York Times that the Obama administration has decided on a new policy old policy of containment toward Russia That means that officially we are back in cold war We don't need the acting Prime Minister of Ukraine tell us that President Obama has told us that If The New York Times report is accurate I'm sure that the leaks to The New York Times are accurate because it is the mouthpiece of the new world order. Right, and what fun! Yeah yeah well i find the whole business disgusting and everyone's just lapping it up then just allowing our leaders to do this where... It's too bad

2:15:20 I make a plea, but as I know it's falling on deaf ears. We have lots of kids students listening and colleges supporting the show and your professors are also supporting the show but you need to someone needs this just Create a ruckus we need to protest riot this needs to stop Are we just gonna sit by and watch on TV as it unfolds, and then oh well there we go. It's another war! We're in it! How stupid is everybody? Well the civil war would be interesting because it would take you would be a balkanization which is something we seem to like... Yeah look at Yugoslavia or Bosnia Herzegovina. And busted up into a whole bunch of Czechoslovakia. And we shot cruise missiles

2:16:17 Didn't we go into Bosnia and Herzegovina? But it only killed the bad kind of people. Well, it does sell a lot of guns and weapons If you have three countries instead of one country they have to buy three times as much weaponry This is a fact! And so I think this is good for business Yeah well that that is what it seems to be We're slowly pulling out All other places, so I guess you know we need... Yeah we're gonna have to do something with our time. Now someone said all wars are bankers' wars and i'm beginning to think that's kind of true It could be So I have a couple clips Obama has gone to Asia Yes this is now he is also going to Malaysia because Malaysia is one of the holdouts on the TTP correct? I believe so

CHAPTER 21 / 35 Discussion

Obama's Asia Tour and the "Asian Crimea" Meme

President Obama's week-long tour of Asia includes stops in Japan and the Philippines to discuss defense alliances. The hosts highlight a new media meme suggesting that Asian nations fear an "Asian equivalent to Crimea" involving Chinese territorial claims. Obama is expected to sign an agreement granting the U.S. military greater access to Filipino bases for the first time in 20 years.

barack obama· japan· philippines· china· tpp· subic bay

2:17:13 But he's going there for reasons unknown to me. He did say, there is a lot of commentary on this on the international news shows that bitching out of the blue that he made a big deal about pivoting in Silicon Valley parlance pivoting toward Asia and then not doing anything because he hasn't pivoted toward anything but so now he is going there and of course the Japanese are irked that Michelle didn't show up with him She went to China even worse Yeah, right. So that's it there some sort of insult to the Japanese but I have these two clips and you're talking about you know The first device is it really the setup for the second clip so play a bomb in Asia's little background on Venkat President is en route to Japan at the first stop in a week-long Asian tour speaking to local media just before he headed off Barack Obama said the US would be ready to come to Japan

2:18:02 Japan's defense if needed to intervene in the dispute over islands in the East China Sea. A territorial row has been rumbling between China and Japan since Japan bought the islands off a private owner two years ago. Well, to tell us more about that on Obama's four-nation Asian visit Annette Young joins us now in studio. Annette how much How much is Obama's trip going to focus on defense? A lot. Because as we've just been seeing there in the Ukraine, there is a great deal of concern in Asia that they might be in danger of experiencing a similar scenario with the Chinese They don't want an Asian equivalent to Crimea What?!

2:18:40 Europe the Asian countries don't have a defense alliance like NATO which of course exists in Europe and also allows America to throw its weight around in this part of the world. Now, of course particularly Japan and South Korea are very concerned about an overly aggressive China on their doorstep. Hold on a second but what would be the Asian Crimea? They didn't say but they just said they're fearful that something would be Wow somehow this is what we missed Somewhere along the line a propaganda campaign must have begun that had put into the mind space, to use another Silicon Valley term of the Asian population that Crimea is imminent with China being equivalent Russia in the Asian sphere and the Van Kaap reporters picked up on this. I've never heard this before! I haven't heard this either

2:19:33 Now, it goes on with this other little piece of information and that's probably why I mentioned Three countries are better than one for like selling arms and armaments. Mm-hmm Now this little tidbit here on the Philippines is kind of interesting North Korea The other thing that which will be very interesting is on Monday He'll be signing this new agreement with a Filipino government Which will allow the Americans greater access to the Filipino Air Force bases and naval bases? Which is something quite extraordinary given that it's been 20 years since the Americans closed down that big naval installation of Subic Bay. Yeah, but didn't we create with HAARP? Didn't we create that typhoon and we wiped everything out and then we went in and brought our ships and were right off the coast there? Didn't that all happen? Yeah it's not the same as Subic bay which was this huge operation that they shut down I think they're gonna...I think this is something to do with

2:20:26 that little inlet that you pointed out, that runs along the Malacca Straits. The Malacca Straits and it put another base in the Philippines somehow we've We've scared these people. Again, I think we dropped the ball on something here Somehow we frightened them because the Filipinos don't want to deal with us. We're a pain in the ass and they didn't like it They're the ones who drove this Subic Bay thing out Hey listen, listen, they all work for our call centers What do you mean? They work for- we own them Well they liked that part But then again, I don't think...they didn't like this base because You know when you go into these places and all of a sudden there are...We have a bunch of drunken sailors And they wrecked the place

2:21:06 So they get tired of their women being accosted. What shall we do with the drunken sailor? We got bases everywhere! There's something going on that we're completely unaware of, Obama is going over there... I believe- There's a piece of information missing Well look what's happening i just saw out of the corner of my eye I saw the Malaysian prime minister on TV this is heating up Malaysia in order to create this TPP which by the way any I'm changing my own story now, but any shale gas if we have any. I'm not even sure we have that now Anything we do get to export it's not going to Europe That's just to speed it all along Let's just to get it going is all going Asia that that is blatantly clear to me And we need that TPP agreement then we need to push it through We need to hurry that up in Malaysia They are the one of the whole I think thee holdout this little crappy country

CHAPTER 22 / 35 Discussion

Elizabeth Warren's Potential Presidential Run

Adam Curry predicts that Senator Elizabeth Warren will be the Democratic candidate for president in 2016, potentially defeating Hillary Clinton. He plays clips of Warren on "Charlie Rose" discussing the need for "cops on the beat" for Wall Street and her platform on refinancing student loans. The hosts characterize her as "unctuous" and highly scripted.

elizabeth warren· charlie rose· capitalism· student loans· 2016 election

2:22:03 They're in for regime change and whether it's the flight 370 or Anything else I think you watch Regime changes coming in Malaysia put it in the book. We have it in the book, I think yes We haven't we talked about this week ago. Yeah, and I think you're right All right onward South Sudan's got some action we should talk about but first I want to get before the show gets too far not really good action It's not like hot girl on girl action as i'm going to make a prediction and I have the clip. Oh, very good Uh, I am now going to predict and putting it in the red book that elizabeth warren will be the democrat candidate for president oh my goodness I have two clips about her as well Well let's play the one where she's on charlie rose

2:22:51 explaining in some sort of, I don't know this was totally scripted about the evils of capitalism and how you need a cop on the beat and all this more regulation. And she's the one behind all that sort of thing She is very unctuous and reasonable Unctuous? He loves her What is unctuous? I dunno, unctuous is kinda like y'know you know, oh you're just like... You know, you kind of.. You're just so sincere. Hyper-sincere and logical. Oh! Like full of crap? Yeah full of crap that's her. Alright here she is on Charlie Rose Tell me about this sexuality it's in your DNA I'm sorry. The funny thing is the clip kinda starts with that. No we are not. When you look at this do you blame capitalism

2:23:36 Is the American brand of capitalism part of the problem? Do we need to have more regulation, do we need a hard look at what capitalism does and how it works in your judgement. We always need to have a hard look at all of our policies in this country. I'm not talking about Washington now, i am talking about the essential economic system that has brought the United States to the place of economic leadership. Wow! Is he talking about getting rid of the petrodollar? What is Charlie on an SDR trip? I don't know but yeah I thought he was completely off the deep end. Wow okay and again...a hard look

2:24:14 What does that mean? What is the etymology of a hard look. I don't know, i don't know. No but that in part are the rules in Washington that make the difference Charlie. You put a cop on the beat On Main Street, it means nobody steals your purse. You put a cop on the beat on Wall Street it means nobody steals your pension The decision about whether to have a cop on the beat will profoundly affect how much stealing goes on we've gotta have fair rules whether or not we invest in our schools will determine whether or not kids are gonna have real opportunities if we invest in infrastructure will determine whether or not small businesses had a chance to grow those policies are not divorce most people understand that building that investments, investments and infrastructure investments in scientific research investments in human resources

2:25:12 are essential to our competitive place in the world. So then the question becomes, so why are we cutting back on all of those? Think about that Charlie. Oh think about that Charlie! She is such a dick I really do not like this woman. I don't either and she's gonna beat Hillary because she is better than Hillary, and she has less baggage, and a great pitch on student loans She is outstanding in this regard Here's the...I have the student loan pitch which she laid down on... She has a book out. Okay, before you go there I want to say that I've got a couple of things to finish One, she's the one who says when a cop stops crime A cop on Wall Street prevents stealing your purse and stealing your pension right? This is bullcrap because we've already had cops

CHAPTER 23 / 35 Discussion

Abacus Bank Prosecution and Matt Taibbi's "The Divide"

Matt Taibbi discusses his book "The Divide," focusing on the prosecution of Abacus Federal Savings Bank in Manhattan's Chinatown. Despite being a small community bank, it was the only financial institution indicted in the wake of the 2008 mortgage crisis. Taibbi argues the case was a "photo op" for District Attorney Cyrus Vance Jr. while major Wall Street banks avoided criminal charges.

abacus bank· matt taibbi· cyrus vance jr· mortgage fraud· chinatown

2:26:02 all over the place on Wall Street. The SEC was supposed to stop the Madoff thing, they didn't do crap I want to play two clips then we get back to the educational thing this is Matt Taibbi on Democracy Now! talking about his new book and there's a clip of two parters about the Abacus Bank and this is your cop-on-the beat that does exist and this is the this is a disgusting a disgusting story first we get the background on the abacus bank which was busted last may and then we hear ty eb's takedown of that of the whole thing right american justice in the age of the wealth cap now uh... turning to the banks over the bank that was prosecuted abacus banca last may it became the first bank to be indicted in manhattan in over two decades manhattan district attorney cyrus fence junior announcing diamond

2:26:50 Today we are announcing the indictment. or guilty please, of 19 individuals on charges including mortgage fraud securities fraud and conspiracy as well as the indictment of Abacus Federal Savings Bank a federally chartered bank that has been catering to the Chinese immigrant community since 1984. Now these defendants, the bank and former employees and managers from its loan department are charged with engaging in a systematic scheme falsify and fabricate loan applications to the Federal National Mortgage Association, commonly known as Fannie Mae. So that borrowers who would otherwise not legally qualify for Fannie Mae's mortgages could obtain them unlawfully."

2:27:35 This is a large-scale mortgage fraud case that we estimate to include hundreds of millions of dollars worth of forcified loan applications. If we have learned anything from the recent mortgage crisis, it's that at some point these schemes unravel and taxpayers can be left holding the bag." Okay stop you stop it Now, now that sounds good kind of but then you realize this is bull crap. It's a little China bank. Here is Matt Taibbi talking about it and this all outlined in his book. That's Manhattan DA Cyrus Vance Jr., Matt Taibbi you were at the trial... You heard... That was also the guy who railroaded Dominique Strauss-Kahn by the way?

2:28:19 Yes, prosecutor Vance. They're suggesting some link here to the financial crisis but that wasn't the case so this is I mean it's almost humorous It's not humorous for the bank involved obviously but Here he is holding this grand press conference they actually had a chain gang where they chained 19 of the defendants together and hauled them into court for this exercise. All working for Abacus? All working for Abacus and these are working class Chinese immigrants basically, the highest ranking official in this entire case made $90,000 a year many of them didn't speak English This is a small bank wedged between two noodle shops in Chinatown

2:29:03 and this was the target they chose to go against as a symbol of the financial crisis. In the chain gang incident, actually three of the defendants had already been arraigned but they asked them to volunteer to come down to the courthouse for the photo op that day brought them in chain them up to the rest of the defendants so they could be rearranged for the benefit of the cameras. But, the point about this whole thing is that Abacus Federal Savings Bank which is a small community minority bank in Manhattan. This was the sole target of any reprisal by the government in the wake of a financial crisis, and they're a stone's throw from all these gigantic skyscrapers housing all these other major banks that committed crimes that were hundreds of times worse than Abacus was even accused of. Actually I read his article on this awhile back

2:30:02 And it's very funny, it is too bad that he has been shut up and bought up by Pure Drive My Car. Yeah, he won't stay there, he'll be smart enough to quit but this is your cop on the beat! Well Elizabeth Warren was the cop on the beat who was supposed to protect me from these credit card practices which I only did to repair my credit which is what I need according to our president where they're charging me interest on just for using the card. And someone sent me an email that the same bank was a credit one, he moved and then he got a note from Credit One this is someone who emailed this and said because you have moved your due date for your payment may change

2:30:54 Why? And the answer, that was the question and the answer was because you've changed zip codes. Of course the true answer is to make sure you miss a payment so we can then go to the 23% interest That's the reason Anything to get you to slip up once which is why you have this one bank commercial with The Twins where you get to slip up once the first time you miss a payment It's okay. Awesome sauce, no worries." Oh my goodness yes it's you know what I can't remember the Freedom Bank whatever the name of the bank is they're all horrible a-holes and Elizabeth Warren is in on it and her pitch here's her pitch on... And I agree by the way that she she's got her book out before Hillary although Hillary's got the pregnant kid this is good play

CHAPTER 24 / 35 Discussion

Elizabeth Warren vs. Hillary Clinton Punditry

The hosts compare the political viability of Elizabeth Warren and Hillary Clinton. While Warren publicly denies she is running for president, Mika Brzezinski and other pundits suggest there is significant excitement for her candidacy. Dvorak argues that Clinton's inability to manage personnel effectively makes her vulnerable to a challenge from the left.

elizabeth warren· hillary clinton· mika brzezinski· jon stewart· 2016 election

2:31:40 Here is... She'll have the dead husband. It's all in the book. Pregnant kid, dead husband I don't care she's not gonna cut it when they two of them go head-to-head in a debate Elizabeth Warren is gonna eat her lunch Well here is Warren on Jon Stewart with a very typical pitch about this college loans Kids who can afford to go... And she's so insincere She is so insincere. I just it-I have a people meter. Go to college, uh Their parents can't afford to just write him a check So they got to borrow money right the United States government says we will lend you the money to go to school Okay That's a good thing to do and then stop stop

2:32:25 I didn't clip this part of the Charlie Rose show but i'm telling you because I have a good memory for this. This is word-for-word... The same? The same! Oh, of course she is a robot. She's an android. Piles on to the interstates so that the government makes tens tens of billions of dollars in profits off the backs of kids who are trying to get an education. I think it is obscene for the government- It's a great thing. To make profits off of people like you. Now, what's her answer?

2:33:23 refinancing those student loans that are outstanding to bring down the interest rate, cut the interest rate on those student loans. In order to be able to do that we've got to find someplace else in the budget... Okay, do you remember what she says? Someplace else in the budget is the same as Charlie Rose's? Do you recall what she said there? I know, i don't find that money. My view is we ought to close a couple of those loopholes make billionaires pay just as much taxes their secretaries do. But here's what frustrating and this the old we gotta make them pay the same taxes as the secretaries she okay now now here's the here's the kicker if anybody knows how this stuff works it's Mika you know Mika? Mika Brzezinski daughter of the great grand chess game

2:34:11 elitist, Zbigniew Brzezinski. And they sent one of their reporters for the Morning Joe show out to interview Elizabeth Warren and Mika at the end of this piece tells you exactly how it works and how it's going down and why...and you'll hear Elizabeth Warren she does not say she's not running she says I'm not running now! You know? Now that she won't run ever for president but she said i'm not running, I'm not running. And she's insincere, she's skirting around it, she's a liar, she's a douchebag, she's done nothing but waste my time and energy as far as I'm concerned and you say that uh...she will eat Hillary's lunch? Well.... I've read a number of articles just within the last week and one of them is titled Hillary's Nightmare and they're talking about you

2:35:06 You know I don't get who writes these headlines or what they're about. Yeah, of course she writes it her campaign manager wrote that there's just kind of a pundit world out there Are you gonna run for president? I'm not running for president. There's nothing that could change your mind David Like I said, i'm not running for president. Performative And do you think Hillary Clinton would make a good President? I think Hillary Clinton is terrific We've got to stay focused on these issues right now Right now we've gotta... You know what? I'd be happy if she also became President because we have more fun as the empire falls to shit This woman can't run anything She can't run!

2:35:48 You know, I think she's not running. She doesn't say i'm not going to run exactly she says i'm not running and she's not she's Not running not right now. She's not lying Are you talking right? Now john are you talking? No, you're not but listen to mika mika has the analysis It's actually a no agenda analysis exactly Right exactly willie geist There is a pundit world out there and the water's so warm inside of it, isn't it? Come inside Senator Warren. The water's just fine. So you don't think there's any chance she runs to the left of Hillary Clinton or whoever the Democrat is?

2:36:28 I think people really want her to run and the people that i've talked to who are democrats seem really excited by her. There is no way she could have answered that question any other way. Are you Hillary's nightmare? Thanks David Muir, um... That's not very helpful if we wanna get an answer. Well, because... Not helpful to the war in cause! He's being a great journalist No, actually that's basically saying you're gonna get a no because the Hillary Clinton entire cabal would close in on her and get rid of her so quickly she has to say no. That's exactly right! Hillary Clinton will shoot you in the face

2:37:07 That's what she does. Yeah, yeah she's got a it's pretty obvious she's running and she'll beat Hillary up No no well she may beat her up I don't think...I mean Hillary is gonna have the dead husband the pregnant kid uh she's gonna look dynamite and she has she has you know she's got them she has the power man Warren's got no power she got no money I put it in the book. Yeah, well look... I'm gonna put in the book that you said no chance in hell No! I didn't say that. I didn't say no chance in hell. It's kind of what you indicate there You're putting words in my mouth. She got a gun she's got this assassin. I didn't say she had a gun I said she could shoot-she will shoot you in the face. I didn't say she had a gun That's okay. I implied that

2:37:51 Yeah, well Hillary Clinton... I'm sticking with this. Well if you want... Okay let's start wait let's do a fractal thing here Hillary really cannot campaign she puts idiots in charge she doesn't know she's not good at me you know there are some of the great things you notice when you noticed this is Silicon Valley why are some companies so successful because they have a guy who's really good at picking out personnel he gets the right people, he puts them all in place and you know he knows what he's doing in that regard. She has none of that skill and she can't find a person who does so she'll put together a crappy campaign like she did against Obama and anybody who comes along can blow it

2:38:31 part effortlessly and that's what Warren is going to do because a Warren we already know can really put together campaign to take out that Scott Brown guy like there was she got three times as she's gotten but we found this on an eclipse just a couple weeks ago. She is getting more money than anybody, she knows what she's doing well it will be a sad day for our country Well, let's hope the Republicans can come up with somebody. Oh they got nobody! Because I think this woman is easy picking. If i was a Republican and I had to run against Clinton versus Warren...I'd rather run against Hillary oh I'm sorry I'd rather run against Warren because I think you can pick her off Hillary is dangerous if she's at the top of the ticket You may fall down the stairs and have an unfortunate accident But Warren I think that Republicans could beat her because she's such a socialist Yeah but Elizabeth...if Elizabeth Warren

2:39:24 is elected. You know, it doesn't matter what am I even saying? Who cares? Now you're being crazy! Why do I even care about anything?! I gotta remind myself once in a while of what is this crazy talk? It doesn't matter, it doesn't matter but... They're all douchebags. But! I just want to say as we go into this little segment you need to stand up to the police state and tell people that they are rude inappropriate and above all they work for YOU Yeah. I pay you my taxes pay your salary No you don't say that you just say you work for me son

CHAPTER 25 / 35 Discussion

Listener Donations and Job Karma Requests

A second round of listener donations is acknowledged, featuring contributors from Israel, Australia, and the Netherlands. The hosts grant "job karma" to several listeners struggling with employment and "birthday karma" to others. The segment includes a story from a listener who mocked a DHS "active shooter" training video at his workplace.

value for value· ann arbor· israel· australia· netherlands· donations

2:40:15 What's he gonna do, tase you? Yeah. Alright I'll take that but doesn't matter you gotta say excuse me son you work for me alright Andrew Holcomb we want to thank a few people including Andrew Holcomb in Ann Arbor Michigan $144 and 45 cents and he is now going to be a knight Sir Andrew Protector of the Bound Books Nice Since he is getting his knighthood we can give him a Putin Karma Okay, we do have to kind of yeah. I know we're gonna move this along hold on a Putin karma

2:40:55 We'll stop for nights. You've got karma! We always, always want to stop for nights. Guy Boazee... Guy Boazee? Guy Boozey. Guy Boazee. Guy Boazee. Sorry. One two three dot four five one of my favorite donations he's in Israel. Eviny Kovalev. Eviny Kovalev in New York City 111 69 He wants some montage at one that I've got the thing. I'm gonna do one last Thing is coming up and you're not speaking English right now. I just mumbling away. I'm just saying words Sam Manor $111 11 cents Box Hill, South Victoria making it rain for John and Adam AJ hundred eleven dollars level says in One Tree Hill Australia Just call me AJ okay, so we did thank goodness

2:41:49 Damien Tamen in Perth. Australia $111.11 he wants a couple of Hillary Clinton and Christine Lagarde on the stage So are you gonna do this now? Yeah, it's coming up It's coming up is coming up I'm gonna definitely do it as going to be probably it's gonna be spectacular Chris Terhart in Abbotsford BC 104 dollars Dustin Kekta in Chandler Arizona 100 and he's relenting or is missing the fact that he hasn't donated for awhile WJB raps in Kirkrad, Limburg Netherlands. Kerkrade! Kerkrada! And he has a douchebag call out which for some reason wasn't listed Imad Ullod I guess is being called out as a douche bag. Two more times this year with bigger amounts of cents than the other producer of the show Imad Ullod hears this... Oh no oh no no He may cal me out on it. No no no i'm sorry i'm wrong you're wrong Sir Anonymous in Nowhere Oklahoma $100

2:42:52 Richard Olson in Ellensburg, Washington. $100 Dame Heather Aronson in San Francisco and I have to mention that she sent a kind of a cute little note but more importantly... A picture? No she didn't send the picture she should send the picture she didn't send the picture She sent me a copy of 50 Shades Of Kale The book And so we got this book and we thought it was going to be a parody like Fifty Shades of Chicken. And it's not a serious cookbook, but every recipe is like this. Roast beef with kale. Fried chicken with kale. Tacos with kale! I mean there are maybe two kale recipes and there is always the side dish. It's not a cookbook. In the healthy surprise box...I was so hungry the other day and Miki was out and she was going to grab some stuff for the grocery store we had nothing after coming back from vacation

2:43:50 The healthy surprise box, there was the kale chips or like the dried kale things. Outstanding. They're salty! They salt them and deep fat fry them I mean anything would be edible. Yes that's why i liked him That's why they were so good It was perfect You could have fried rats butt Dame Sam Menard He likes this show he is now... What is he doing here? Hi, the show's been tremendous. Keep them coming Adam there is a lingerie shoot going on in the house of dubious repute at the moment Gee the girls look great Okay, and this is Dame Samantha not name Sam manner says Samantha matter well Where's my picture Sam? Yeah? Where's the pictures I even I would I on eon whatever you call it he advertised Ian $50 80 dollars in Montreal Quebec

2:44:51 anonymous broke performing artist lesbian. Oh you have a note? Yeah it's a long note I think we'll save it for, I'm gonna keep it aside because... But she still hot for you right she'll still convert for you? Well let me just read part of the note then My pathetically small donation today is not entitled me to make any demands, blah blah blah. I share a few observations. Wants to share...I felt a few months ago when i revealed my crush on John that Adam seemed a little jealous. Don't worry Adam! You are definitely growing on me. I can't quite say that I have a crush on you yet but lately you have had quite a good few good rants eloquent analysis is pretty attractive one little tip though Adam keep it manly

2:45:35 When the delivery starts to get a little whiny I start to lose that tingly feeling. I'm so good at converting women into lesbians and this is of this is a new one for me reverse action. Don't think the donation being low it's correlation with the quality of the shows, the shows have been great. It doesn't...it just doesn't it just doesn't. Slaves are just broken lazy but they will come around in the end take it from me I'm really excellent at what I do, but because of the art I perform can only be appreciated if the audience makes the effort attending to it The vast majority people just can't be bothered What kind of performance does the anonymous broke performing artist lesbian do? He's never really explained it Well maybe she could do that next time Onward!

2:46:27 Heather Simkin, we have a lot of women today which I find very good. She's in Henley on Thames, Oxfordshire UK 77-77. And she says today I am marrying the gorgeous Charlie who was responsible for hitting me in the mouth three years ago so you are wholly responsible for showing us how much we have in common thank you karma would be awesome love Heather yes karma coming up in a minute send pictures Ryan Pollock in Overland, Missouri. Sure it's not Polak? Polack? It might be Polack. Polack, p-o-l-a-k 6970 which is 6969 with a penny

2:47:12 Kevin McLaughlin, Locust North Carolina 69-69. Richard Chow in Fullerton California 69-69 Cole Kalistra, North Attleboro Massachusetts Nuts 69-69 Mark Pugner 69-69 Not that guy! Douchebag I see him all over the internet Yeah he's a douche bag Corey Noonan 66-66 Los Angeles California Nuts uh... apparently his girlfriend who is he's been hitting in the mouth brian rogers can't connecticut sixty six sixty-six brian of our own sixty two bucks from los angeles another one from los angeles uh... alan simply must keyed and michigan sixty one ten jeffrey newell fifty six seventy eight why owned dot michigan on a mission going instead a my goal my yacht to go

2:48:04 My Tico in Milton, Ontario Canada and he's got a birthday coming up of some sort somebody's gonna shout out. Yep Erika Borden in Kentwood Michigan Thomas Erica said something interesting I was I felt it was necessary to make a donation after hearing the word stonation on the show Stonation so, I guess the 5420. Oh, it's 5 4 20 That's why for 254 20 stonation and I think that's a new that's a new number. I like that I'm liking it 50 40 stone nation. I'll put it on the next newsletter Thomas Dominicowski this is slave strong

2:48:43 Slaves from Poland. Enjoy our military! 53, yeah like the exercises. Take pictures. 53-33 search Kevin Payne in Richmond Virginia 5069 are only Virginian I think John Haller Missoula Montana 50 these are all $50 donors. I am 70 now and need birthday karma John Haller says wow well welcome. It's well why don't you put him on the birthday list? I don't know yeah, I don't know why he's not on there Well it's kind of vague Well, I'll put him on he needs birthday karma so I'll put them on the birthday list Yeah, I guess that will help can't Bradley lead in Fayetteville Arkansas these are all 50s Macy its stall out Wow ski doll Stalowski

2:49:32 And it's not Macy's May-May-May-something like that. Uh, no we have it, it's uh... May-Maychick? Maychick? Maychick? May something. We should figure this out man! We had it figured out He just puts it, he she I don't even know. This is just a Google, well Calgary where all the money is Eric Vogel Franklin Wisconsin Jason Daniels Dallas Texas is your 50 TB Abel a burg of field Berkshire UK Paul Webb twicken him Middlesex UK any good Max Turnquist in Boxford, Massachusetts. Eric Veit. Max is a poor college student who hasn't until now had much extra money to donate to the best podcasting universe having gotten three interviews out of 18 applications and 0 for 3rd place

2:50:21 O of three for interview successes, I could use some job karma. Also i'll be flying internationally soon so whatever karma that keeps you from getting six weeks cycle to be appreciated yes we'll do some uh job and karma for everybody Eric Veit Dublin California Conrado Gonzalez in Brownsville Texas Sir Dr Sharkey Jackson Tennessee Sir Brian Barrow Black Knight, Wooten Bassett UK 50 Craig Porter Niagara Falls slowly I turned and whoops! I'm afraid she just jumped out of the... Martijn van Galen Last in Beneden-Leeuwen you should try and pronounce that one. Martijn van Galen Last in Beneden-Leeuwen Onward Stacy St Amande in Kingston Ontario

2:51:13 Andrew Haverson, why is it 62 in yellow? Oh that's because that's where my cursor is. Rabinhurst Ontario! Sorry Michael Gates in Colorado Springs, Colorado David Trotsky or good old David Trotsky in Romeoville Illinois Benjamin Smith here we're here in Oakland California Oaktown Matt Mulligan Sparks Nevada and finally you have a note for Matt Mulligan Do I have a note? I think i do but, I don't know. Let's see where is Matt's note? Hold on... Here's my- Oh yeah! Yeah, I got a big giant note on a piece of paper that is so thick it's like.. It's hard to believe this is paper. Yeah, that's because there's a couple douchebag call outs in here. My co-worker Dave and I just sat through our work safety present- oh this is a good story Sat through a work safety presentation on active shooters Hey what is the opposite of an active shooter

2:52:10 I sit down and you have a hamburger. We have a hamburger shooter! You want to guess what video we watched? That's right, the ridiculous DHS active shooter video you two ripped apart over a year ago Of course Dave and I had already seen the video thanks to No Agenda so were quite prepared to mock this piece of scare propaganda Cool Remain Dave and I thank you for making Dave and I aware we prepared and have closed the DHS pamphlets They handed out plus a check for 50. I will be applying this 50 to my knighthood and not Dave's Please give him my co-workers in inventory of shut up slave for not listening Thanks, and keep her the great work okay?

2:52:52 And then we go to, lastly Kevin Hamilton in Plano Texas and finally Bogdan LeChandro in Irvine Texas. Those are our people who helped us giving $50 or more to show 610 and 611 combined. Double credit and a reminder that we always read everything from our executive and associate executive producers Everything over fifty dollars is mentioned with the amount It's called transparency dude And if you send a check into the P.O box with a note, you have a high likelihood of that being read We try to break for knights and dames but we really can't read everybody's note There is just too much show Too much show I tell ya

CHAPTER 26 / 35 Discussion

No Agenda Fiction Novel and Final Knighting

Listener Tom Kilbride has published a fictional novel titled "No Agenda: Saving America," featuring Adam Curry and John C. Dvorak as characters recruited by the CIA. The hosts conclude the knighting ceremony for the episode, elevating several producers to the "No Agenda Roundtable" and granting peerage titles to long-time supporters.

tom kilbride· amazon· saving america· knighthood· peerage

2:53:40 But all donations including our monthly's we've got people are sending in the magic 42s. We've got 33 33 12 12 11 11 so we've got all kinds of Support coming in everything is highly appreciated and here is a jobs karma for all whether you have a job need a job or want to upgrade your job Jobs, jobs and jobs let's vote for jobs You've got karma I want to also mention that Tom Kilbride, one of our many listener novelists has produced the No Agenda Saving America Shut Up Slaves novel. Oh! Which has the main characters Adam and myself and some other guy CIA or something mm-hmm and Mickey's in it

2:54:30 nice doesn't he makes a mistake of saying john devorah to the john c d'avor act this season for caps lock and uh... he goes ahead and he's got mickey's in their means in there all in this book and uh... what's it called is that is it a as a jubilee sundance is available on amazon he's going to give us a proceeds no agenda saving america shut up slaves by tom kill bride almost second He sent a picture of himself and his wife, his lovely wife or girlfriend. Girlfriend Nancy. Let's see... Please see that Adam gets this copy Here it is No Agenda Saving America It's $9 in paperback That's a good deal! That's a great deal Is it also on Kindle? Hey we're on the cover here with the... For more than 6 years media assassins crackpot Adam Curry And Buzz killed John C. Dvorak

2:55:30 have performed the twice-weekly podcast No Agenda Show, a discussion of current events or whatever they feel like talking about. From wine to chemtrails! We haven't talked about either very much lately... In this fictional account they are recruited by the CIA to help foil an evil plot to create turmoil in the American population by taking down the Internet's most popular site The story has adventure intrigue foreign travel spies and assassinations so shut up slaves and buy this book if not today in the morning Cute. Yeah, I like it. He's a dialogue guy he's got a lot of good dialogue. Perfect! Well thank you very much also reminder that we have a show on Sunday and today of course are going a little bit long because well you know value for value giving you as much as we can we got a lot of show to give

2:56:20 and we'd love to see your support for the upcoming program. Before I get into the birthdays, uh...I got a another note from Kirby and she sent me a picture of...and i'm pretty sure I did this um this birthday shout out? I'm not sure but just in case Says John Adam last Thursday, happily made my first donation to your show after one and a half years of douchebaggery. I was hoping my note would be good enough to get picked so you guys would read it for my boyfriend's birthday typically we do that as it would be much cooler coming from y'all than from me in an email however my note didn't make the cut even though I sent a picture! So I listened jealously is the funny notes have other donors were read on air as I tried not to feel like the ugly duckling which you're not Kirby

2:57:09 Also, unfortunately I had donated $69.69 Tuesday night but heard the last bit of the past Sunday show on Wednesday and found that the 69 streak had been broken as a result of my misfortune and due to the value for value concept in this show I thought to propose two options One if you would please pick one or two One read the following on the air I would like to make a donation to The Best Podcasting Universe on behalf of my wonderful boyfriend Carter Pelham He turned 26 years old on April 17th about six months ago I got him in the car where he couldn't get away and hit him in the mouth Let's just say I didn't need to hit him again. Wink wink! He absolutely loves it, and it's-I'm so happy to have finally taken the plunge to officially support your show keep the good work Option two say Kirby Wallace shut up slave and I will continue on as a happy donor then try again next time well we've done both of them uh here's what I'd like you to do when you've done both yeah well I want you to um make sure you make your man happy if you know

2:58:05 It's your birthday, birthday. I'm so glad you're here. So there you go Kirby Wallace says happy birthday 26 to Carter Fellon we just did that don't want to call me a boner for not helping out Sir Ray Jacobson says happy birthday to his nephew Peter Ninnitch and brother Ron Jacobson 19 and 50 respectively on the 21st Ben Smith son turns 2 on April 21st Michael Miyatiko's son Marco turns four on the 24th and John Haller is now 70. Whatever that means, happy birthday from your buddies here at The Best Podcast in the Universe! And we've got some nightings and some title changes so we have Barry Hanna I just want to... We will be nighting him because it's a black night but he is going straight into barrenhood and we have Dame Sam Menner becomes a baronet

2:59:02 And Sir Hank becomes Baron of Kew Gardens and Forest Hills. And that's it. Then we have our regular nighting, so I will just... A lot! Yeah, hello? I don't know if we can get through the music. We'll try. Arthur Kessler Michael Leary Andrew Holcomb Anonymous from Aurora Colorado Step forward along with Barry Hanna and kneel before the altar of The Best Podcast in Universe hereby pronounce thee all Knights of the Noah Jenner Roundtable Sir Arthur Sir Michael of Hemlock

2:59:38 Sir Andrew Protector of the Bound Books and Sir Anonymous of the ADF along with our Black Knight Barry Hanna. Wow, I didn't get- I did Whiskey & Wet Wipes! Kunalini Yoga and Jambo Bad Science and Perky Breasts Hookers & Blow Rent Boys in Chardonnay Or how about just some Mutton & Mead? Thank you all for your support of the best podcast in universe. Go to noagendanation.com slash rings Make sure you get all your information in and Eric the shill will hook you up so to speak, but I get everything here So, you know it was really great taking one show off One whole show But I always first I feel guilty Yeah, I just I feel super guilty and then there's so much to catch up on You know

CHAPTER 27 / 35 Discussion

Pearson Education Settlement and Common Core Branding

The Pearson Charitable Foundation agreed to a $7.7 million settlement with the New York Attorney General for using its non-profit status to develop commercial Common Core products. Additionally, parents have expressed outrage over prominent brand names like Nike and iPod appearing in standardized tests. A listener provides evidence of Pearson's "barcoded scrap paper" that must be returned to the company after testing.

pearson· common core· eric schneiderman· product placement· barcoded paper

3:00:32 Yeah. I don't think there's that much to catch up on, it's just like a continuum you just jump back on it's like surfing you jump back onto the next wave and you're on your way so you miss the wave There was some interesting common core stuff let me see what we had Oh yeah So two things One Pearson this is the With the Common Core state standards, there's a ton of these non-profits douchebag organizations. I really hate them and they are they're the ones that take the money from Bill & Melinda Gates you know and from The Dells and everybody is going to benefit ultimately from the transhumanization of your children

3:01:24 and put them into the pipeline till they'll be working for Motorola and Chevron. And this is a slave training pipeline program as they say themselves. Pearson is the publishing arm of this scam, and they all... Of course every good company like the Coca-Cola Company or Nike or whatever, They all have a foundation next to the commercial organization which is where they can do all their trickery And the Pearson Charitable Foundation, the non-profit arm of the educational publishing giant Pearson Inc., has agreed to pay a $7.7 million settlement to New York Attorney General Eric T Schneiderman I guess he gets a check himself? After he determined that the foundation had created Common Core products to generate tens of millions for its corporate sister. So there's a couple things that are bothersome about this

3:02:18 There's just some random fine that who knows where that goes. Does it go to the Attorney General? I mean, does it go into the pot? Yeah, does everyone...does someone going on vacation? As far as we know, it goes into general fund but I could be wrong. Well but why and why 7.7 million and why isn't someone going to jail? So what they had done is the investigation by attorney general examined Pearson's efforts since 2010 to develop a line of classroom materials and tests built around Common Core They are not allowed to do this. But this is a continuing problem with this Common Core as witnessed by the news report that brand names are featured prominently in the Common Core standardized English tests, you probably saw this news report. Brands including Barbie, iPod, Mug Root Beer from the Coca-Cola Corporation, Lifesavers Nike

3:03:23 showed up on the test more than a million students in grades three through eight took this month, leading to speculation it was some form of product placement. And I'm going to say yes and the reason why i say yes is if you look into these corporations like the Coca-Cola corporation and Nike corporation they all have foundations who are big supporters of Common Core on the side now they can say a million times that there's no connection But everything points to there's an air gap when the Nike Foundation gives money to another nonprofit that is involved in Common Core or any educational nonprofit which will have a relationship to another nonprofit of Common Core. It's a tit for tat and I don't know what your feeling is John but there's a lot of outrage by parents

3:04:27 about these brands being represented prominently in testing. What is your feeling? Sounds like native advertising to me! Even if it wasn't, does it belong in Does it belong in scholastic tests? Of course not, but I think you can probably rationalize it in some way shape or form by saying things like well you know this is common to the culture everybody knows Coca-Cola and so there's no reason not to mention them just for some political reason. Well what they say is that the writers of these tests um... they just write whatever and they're not questioned on their choices

3:05:09 That doesn't make any sense to me. No, it doesn't make any sense at all And I got a great email and I want you to go to scrap dot no agenda notes calm Adam, my students began their second round of state testing today. It's a computer-based test that was developed and sold by Pearson these are the douchebags who just paid that fine I have attached... Let me go what scrap? What?! I'll tell you in a moment. I have attached a piece of scrap paper that Pearson provides for the test Go to scrap dot no agenda notes dot com Each piece of scrap paper has a barcode on it and we need to count out the number of sheets we hand out, To ensure that we get the same number back. If a student writes anything on this sheet- This is scrap paper Even a couple scratch lines We need to mail it back to Pearson Each one has a barcode! I see the barcode So they're tracked What kind of scrap paper is this? Well... Someone's paying for this

3:06:10 So they're barcoding the... CMS, C-M-A-S scratch paper. Yeah. It says scratch paper and then at the bottom there's a barcode and it says something else which is blurry I can't read. But the point is that this publishing company who just had their nonprofit sister organization pay humongous fine for cheating on the whole deal is charging someone presumably The States money for scrap paper. Barcoded scrap paper that has to be sent back." What? Yeah! I'm reading it myself, he says if a student writes anything on the sheet even in a couple scratch lines we need to mail it back to Pearson so they can properly dispose of it. Oh yeah... This is what- What is this?! Common Core baby! Common Core. Common Core baby. It's the scam that is common core

CHAPTER 28 / 35 Discussion

Haiti Reconstruction Failures and Wyclef Jean Charity

Reports indicate that Wyclef Jean's Haiti charity has closed after millions in donations allegedly went to his family members. Furthermore, a USAID housing program in Haiti has only delivered a quarter of its planned homes at nearly double the estimated cost. The hosts question the disappearance of billions of dollars intended for post-earthquake reconstruction.

haiti· wyclef jean· usaid· earthquake· reconstruction· housing

3:07:20 Wyclef Jean's Haiti charity has now finally closed down after 16 millions in donations. Most of it went to him and his family members. Douchebag! Douchebag! Disgusting! Well, what did you expect? I just want to point it out New York Times reports... Haiti housing effort said to lag a post-earthquake housing program in Haiti financed by USAID has delivered only a quarter of the planned number of houses at nearly twice the estimated cost. Huh, wow! How much money was raised again for Haiti? We've lost track... Billions and billions. Well so this housing program is part of reconstruction efforts after Haiti endured devastating earthquake

3:08:20 The audit found that the development agency had severely underestimated the cost and complexity of building homes in Haiti. Or do you mean how much would be gouged by a-holes who were on the government nipple? The agency had planned to build as many as 4,000 new houses by December 2012 and provide 11,000 sites where new houses could be built But only 900 new houses have been completed and fewer than 6,000 sites have been prepared for construction. Meanwhile the budget jumped from 90 million to 90 million from 55 million. So they're nickel-and-diming us in reporting thanks New York Times about $90 million dollars yet where's the other six billion dollars? Where did that go?

CHAPTER 29 / 35 Discussion

Portland Reservoir Water Flush Incident

Portland city officials flushed 38 million gallons of treated drinking water after a 19-year-old man was caught urinating into a reservoir. Adam Curry calls the move a "slap in the face" to Californians currently suffering through a severe drought, noting that the water was likely safe despite the incident.

portland· reservoir· water conservation· california drought· urination

3:09:09 You know where it went? Yeah, into the Clinton library I presume. Or somewhere like that...I have a couple offbeat clips of course now we do know we have to keep up with the gassing another gas job was done in Syria by some guys they blame the government of course so we can do something about it but were not going to anything It was chlorine glass which is not even one of the stockpiled gases No and chlorine doesn't even kill you Well, yeah it does. High concentrations kills you easy. What if you drink it? No no no. Chlorine gas is not good. Oh sure can I quote you on that yes chlorine gas is not good play this one this is a clip that I believe we were trying to deconstruct just at the other house and it's basically slap in the face two Californians in their drought

3:09:59 play Portland P. Oh I'm sorry, I thought we were going to play the gas thing. Alright Portland P. Portland city officials are having to flush millions of gallons of treated reservoir water after a 19 year old man allegedly relieved himself in a non-traditional location it happened around one o'clock Wednesday morning as three teens snuck into portland's Reservoir 5 which holds some the city's drinking water this security footage reportedly shows one of the guys leaning against the fence and presumably urinating. Those three men were detained shortly after they were seen in the security footage, and hours later Portland City officials decided to take the 50-million gallon reservoir offline and flush 38 million gallons. The Portland Water Bureau says there's little risk to the public's health but bureau administrator David Schaff says

3:10:45 Our customers have an expectation that their water is not deliberately contaminated. We have the ability to meet that expectation." This kind of incident has happened once before, the city flushed 8 million gallons of water in 2011 after a 21-year old man urinated in another reservoir. You know chlorine gas is no good Well, chlorine will help take the pee out of it. But you know all the birds are crapping in this water and all the rest of it going on and they dump the water just as... This is just a slap in the face to California I'm telling ya. Sorry yeah 50 million who cares? Well how..I don't understand why is that a slap in the face to California? Because we don't have any water! And they're dumping it down the drain because they don't care Wasn't there a guy peed in the water well let's just dump 30 million gallons Because he peed in it

CHAPTER 30 / 35 Discussion

IRS Bonus Audit and Federal Worker Tax Delinquency

An audit of the Internal Revenue Service found that the agency paid $1 million in bonuses to over 1,100 employees who were behind on their own tax payments. The report also revealed bonuses paid to workers facing disciplinary action for misusing government credit cards. The hosts note the irony of the IRS rewarding staff who fail to follow the agency's primary mission.

irs· bonuses· tax delinquency· federal workers· audit

3:11:32 Wasn't there a plan? Now, I'm just... it popped in my head. It wasn't in the 60s. Wasn't there some plan that the environmentalists stopped to bring water down from Canada or maybe guess it was from Way up in northern Canada. They'd be bringing down from Oregon but they would be filled with pee. Yeah, you guys can have our water. We're pissing your water man! Wasn't there some plan in the 60s? Am I spacing on this? There probably was and somebody put a kibosh on it for one reason or another because it wasn't carrying oil Here's the story that we didn't get in the United States. You're gonna play this This is the bonus for tax man story that I've never heard this term. Maybe I just missed it a bonus for taxes

3:12:21 enhanced come with higher interest rates numeric cable will use the money to finance its purchase of the mobile network sfr what and finally steven a bonus for tax collectors who might not deserve it yes this is thanks to an audit of america's internal revenue service which found that it's paying a million dollars in bonuses to some 1100 staff who themselves are in fact behind on their tax payments. Now, on top of that it paid out another 1.8 million to workers who were facing disciplinary action for a whole range of issues including misusing government credit cards for travel and fraudulently claiming unemployment benefits. The Government Inspectorate carried out this report saying the bonuses were inconsistent unsurprisingly with the IRS mission which is to collect taxes

3:13:04 of course, but on the whole they're not the worst offenders. Just 1.1 percent of workers in this department of the American government are behind on their taxes overall federal workers committed about three percent but that's well behind the general population who are about eight percent of them are behind on their tax bill so not the worst offenders but perhaps a little bit inappropriate you know I'm um i saw this story i left it by the wayside i have not looked into it of course the coincidence of it being of it being released right around tax days is obvious. What was the point? This came out yesterday. Well, it's not that far after tax day Yeah but you're already too late But what what what's the point? Like we don't know... It's just a random clip We don't know that our government is not cheating Everybody's cheating! Everybody cheats when they can They're all cheating Not Elizabeth Warren Yeah she's the biggest cheater of them all She's an American Indian You can't say that about her And you know what I think she does When she checks into hotel

CHAPTER 31 / 35 Discussion

FCC Net Neutrality Debate and Technical Misconceptions

The FCC is proposing new rules regarding "net neutrality," which the media has characterized using analogies of "fast lanes" and "toll booths." John C. Dvorak argues these analogies are technically inaccurate and that the debate is actually about peering agreements and port fees. He criticizes tech journalists for failing to explain how the internet actually routes data.

fcc· net neutrality· tom wheeler· peering· transit· bandwidth

3:14:06 She pees in the sink. That's like, that's the kind of person she is. It's not an image I want to show you. She's a sink peer and look i know a sink peer when I see one. She's too lazy! You have to hop up on this thing...to do it. Seems like a lot of work. So in the tech news, I just wanted... what? Nothing. Oh, I thought you went... No! I didn't do anything it's a sound it must have been feedback. It's a new mic. The chairman of the FCC has said that he is going to open up some make some changes to regulation now there is no publication yet by the FCC

3:14:56 There's been no publication, okay? This is just hearsay what has been said and you know there's no actual document that you can read. Can I stop for a second and give you a halt to this activity which you do to me so i'm going to do it to you this time You are starting to drop in the word OK as you tell me stuff Oh! I am sorry Yeah I shall resume my sink peeing. Yes, please go Well how do i say okay? When do i say that you're saying yeah so they never said anything they haven't sent a document up okay? Okay well thank you for calling me on that that's bad Thank You What happens we have to break ourselves either both of us I tried To Do the other one this that and The Other it's very important oh This That And The Other Thing It's not any others Bad is Bad Totally agree

3:15:50 So is another one. Well, that's a toughie and it's very hard one to break what you will read everywhere now is And it is unacceptable unacceptable for any serious news organization and I will call out the New York Times again yes This is 2014. When you are reporting a story on internet, the functioning of the Internet it is now in my book no longer acceptable that you use these superhighway analogy of fast lanes and toll booths stop this! This is not reporting and if you see a tech reporter

3:16:50 talking about it this way, turn them off denounce them. I denounced the use of toll booths as an analogy to the internet! Yes yes this is no longer acceptable and also... Was it ever? In the very beginning, I think maybe. But we are now in an age where the technology of the internet and how it works and how the internet itself routes around or can route around issues of packet slowdown, packet segregation... It happens all the time by the way

3:17:32 It happens all the time. Transit and peering, and this is very complicated stuff how the internet has grown and how it works but here's I wanted to read this because i thought it was actually beautiful um see if i can find this...it was uh was actually hilarious let's see I was on pins and needles. Now, I feel bad! Where is it? Well you confused me well i think it was the New York Times where they were saying that this deal is so bad... You think now you went on a rant against the times and now you just think it was in New York Times?! No, I know what was The New York Times. Okay. I'm just trying to find the actual article maybe it was re-edited. No be quiet now I'm trying to find this

3:18:27 Oh man, this is... Well while you're looking for that let's play the clip Dope in Denmark. No I don't want to move away from this! I do not what people are complaining about. I can paraphrase it what people are complaining about okay is that the cost of okay so the idea that Disney and Netflix will pay more, this is the way it's being presented although there is no documentation no evidence and no technical explanation what they're talking about. Will pay more to get faster delivery onto certain networks like Time Warner which would soon be one big internet provider I guess And that the cost of these services will be passed on

3:19:15 the consumer making movies from Disney and Netflix more expensive, and it would make crappy startups with bull crap useless information. It might make it harder for them to deliver high quality content on these networks I believe neither of which are true however if it is true that's great! You mean, if people... If we've created the internet that the largest invention in the most important invention of our lifetime and people are worried about the cost of Disney and Netflix? You deserve to be shot slave!

3:20:04 Who cares? Well, first of all as a topic it is a bogus topic because none of this is going on. The Netflix deal which did happen and I talked to the CEO Roku about this Anthony Wood specifically because he was one of the hot shots at Netflix and he knows what's going on there, and he says the whole thing this payment and all this thing that was reported was bull crap. I've talked about this before it was bull crap it was just a peering agreement that they wanted to peer differently and it was gonna cost some money to go through this other route and that's where the payment was all about yes and that was it! It was just a peering deal Yes! It was blown out of proportions by media. Yes well no crazy analogy specifically

3:20:49 the technology media and I'm sick and tired of them. I'm sick and tired... Well you can thank yourself! No, what tech media I've said this before like me and corrupted. Yeah been corrupted It's nobody's right in and all the good tech writers are gone They're all doing something else on yeah in this show podcast yeah doing this podcast And they're all it's just a now write casually for PC magazine once a week Get around to where my fault go watch Leo show when I'm not there and you'll get to see what their general Well how is that my fault? You haven't bitched and moaned. I'm well, i'm i'm bitching and moaning now you were bitching at the TSA but you don't care about me? And I love you! I am so sick and tired of everyone's net neutrality... you know what net neutrality is a bull crap marketing term and it's just bull crap

3:21:43 The internet knows how to route around these issues and you're not going to, there's not gonna be like a... Like you won't be able to get NOAgenda. You will definitely be able to get NOAgenda! Here is the question on my mind about net neutrality When it first cropped up Andrew Orlowski who writes for The Register was the only guy out there writing and The Register still has good writers that write about tech And he was the first guy who said this is a bogus issue and it doesn't make any sense when you really think about it. And everyone would have thrown bricks at him. The argument that doesn't make any sense goes as does, here's the net neutrality if you want to boil it down I have a Comcast connection. I can pay extra for the business Comcast connection and get instead of my 30 megabytes down or whatever it is, I can get 100 if I pay more

3:22:37 Isn't that right there? The net neutrality argument in a nutshell. I pay more, I get faster speeds How come that should be illegal by the net neutrality concept? I should be able to get all speeds for the same price Well yes you're correct Net Neutrality is if anything it is being used exactly for that To sell you more But what annoys me Is that It has nothing to do with The actual way the internet works Just because you have 30 megabits or if you have a gigabit doesn't mean that You're going to get everything faster That it's that's all that. You're always going to get something from the other side of the world on a server somewhere in a faster manner It is absolutely not true. It is not how the internet works what any network with the net but also This I've heard Leo's argument about this

3:23:30 bandwidth should be one price and it shouldn't you I should not have to pay for more that I use. I'm like, you don't understand how it works the your connection goes through a router you know in a router of you talking these big Cisco machines or the you know there's a number of different brands When the ports fill up and that's really what these guys are selling is port fees But when the ports fill up and when these routers of big computers you have to buy a new router Because everyone sucking on the pipe and watching Netflix someone has to pay for that So this has nothing to do with oh, they're gonna only favor Disney movies. No no You had anyone who says I had no idea how the internet works now

CHAPTER 32 / 35 Discussion

Citizens Broadband Radio Service and Mesh Networks

The FCC has proposed the creation of a new "Citizens Broadband Radio Service" in the 3.5 GHz band. Dvorak explains that this frequency, similar to WiMAX, could allow for the development of true city-wide mesh networks that bypass traditional internet service providers. He expresses excitement about the potential for decentralized data networks in Texas.

fcc· 3.5 ghz· wimax· mesh networks· ham radio· broadband

3:24:15 Here's what I'm excited about. No one is talking about the real news today that came from the FCC, and the FCC is now proposing this comes out at the same time as not seen a single news article about this they finally have proposed the creation of the new citizens broadband radio service which will run it three-and-a-half gigahertz Now I bet you haven't even heard about this. Uh, no and the reason why...I think i have but I didn't Well I stumbled on it because I went to try and find anything about this so-called net neutrality outrage. Oh let's turn my twitter icon black! You watch what is going to happen morons And I found this notice that FCC has proposed three and a half gigahertz which will be similar to part 15 which means you can sell

3:25:10 transceivers in the 3.5 GHz frequency range with the same type of licensing as Wi-Fi, i.e., you have to have a test to make sure that your device is okay and then you can just sell it What's cool about 3.5 GHz? That is essentially the WiMAX frequency And this will give a total throughput based on my calculation as a licensed radio amateur professional contradiction terms 550 megabits per second and this with Wimax distance if you have the proper antenna. This is very exciting to me, and this will allow for true mesh networks across cities countries states etc

3:26:03 Now, it will not be available in a lot of the eastern and western seaboard regions because it's shared space with the Navy. But for instance, in Texas we'll be able to route around a lot of bull crap and create our own networks. And the name says that Citizens Band Broadband Radio Service and is essentially the same frequency as WIMAX. This is exciting to me! Why? Why? Because you get to router... Wow! Would I love to connect directly to, let's see maybe who is here. We have the biggest pipe available in the country all comes into Texas we have huge data centers why would we even deal with Time Warner? We can mesh a network straight to every home in Austin Well, I wish your luck You know

3:27:05 If we really run into trouble and we only have one provider of internet, I think it's highly... That'd be nice to have an alternative. Texas already has a huge amateur mesh network running on Linksys boxes That runs it really runs all over Texas now and what's it? It just for his voice. It's all voice though, right no No, its data Its all data you connect to it with your computer And you can see any device that's connected to the mesh but also it's connected to the internet at several points What kind of speed are we talking about oh this is tremendous speed yeah, what's wrong with using that I

3:27:46 Well, that is in a different band. That's amateur radio but essentially you can do the same thing with this. But this will be the three and half gigahertz it'll be arranged that is permitted for anybody to use I find that exciting! I'm not so worried about this so-called net neutrality change your Twitter icon to black because we have... all of this takes care of itself The one thing that cannot be stopped is the network And that's my technology rant for today. So that when you go and read some bullcrap in PC Magazine by Jane Kelly Doody, whatever her name is or Tech News Today or Tonight or whatever just bear in mind the people talking had no... even I struggle to understand how BGP really works

3:28:38 how these systems and peering and transit really works. But if you, if someone's giving you the fast lane toll booth analogy turn it off and send them a nasty email. Someone has to give the information. I'm liking the tollbooth analogy more and more! You should write a column on I should. I should take all the cornball cliches like that and put together a nice column that has them all Okay, here we go So the toll booth... what else can we do? Toll booth The fast lane Fast lane? Diamond Lane? HOV If you have more than three people in your household You get to use the fast service The fast lane Oh! We need the triple A

3:29:32 How about the passing lane? What can we do with it, what's a passing lane do? Passing lane would be like a boost. You get a extra some you know when you buy one of these services from a cloud supplier and then you can get inundated with requests and that they give you more bandwidth than they'd give you a little small fee. How about speed checked by aircraft? Yeah well, that's the Facebook and Google bullcrap Wi-Fi in the sky

3:30:08 Wi-Fi in the sky. Well, there you go I've come up with another one and not my past bypass to bypass route The short answers a bunch of these roads shortcut hot holes potholes potholes Potholes in the information superhighway an express lane I think they expressedly where you pass up a couple of expressly In fact everyone is express Lane would be like instead of balancing chat room helping the time Warner turnpike Good one, chat room. Very good. Yeah this is nice QOS is the passing lane quality of service Oh yeah good one Pull over on the shoulder pull over on the shoulder of the superhighway fastlane You know they said no shoulder Digital... soft shoulder Soft shoulder and no shoulder digital roadkill we haven't had that one in a while

3:31:10 Commuter lane if more than three people are watching Netflix. Well, we're not to prove you get pulled over for that No We probably could pull a couple of articles from 1994 how what is the VPN? A VPN is a tunnel It's a tunnel Oh bridge and tunnel people Yeah well there's tunnels that you have to go through To get from here to there so that's not a that's an obvious analogy yeah well but if you could say bridge-and-tunnel users of the superhighway

CHAPTER 33 / 35 Discussion

Camp Bastion Security Breach and Poppy Cultivation

A British parliamentary committee found that commanders were "complacent" during a 2012 Taliban attack on Camp Bastion in Afghanistan. A BBC report initially mentioned that poppy cultivation was allowed right up to the base's perimeter fence, though this detail was reportedly removed from subsequent broadcasts.

camp bastion· afghanistan· taliban· poppy cultivation· bbc

3:31:50 Packet loss would be flat tire. Flat tire, yeah? No you're just running out of gas you can run out of gas. The Tesla of the superhighway now we got to work on it Yeah no you can write some corny thing here this would be great BBC slipped up and one of our producers caught this report. The tag at the end of this story was left off of each subsequent report." A group of MP's has said that British commanders were guilty of complacency when guarding Camp Bastion in Afghanistan in 2012, when two American servicemen were shot dead by the Taliban

3:32:31 The defense select committee said that the senior officers had to bear a degree of responsibility for the breach of the base's perimeter as guard towers were unmanned and poppy cultivation was allowed right up to the fence. Gee! How does that work? So they left that tag part about the poppy culture off subsequent reports... Yeah, they took it off, yep. So just says the guard towers are unmanned period. Wow. Yeah, I love it! Hey thanks everybody for letting us know that you did have a chicken pox party as you were growing up with the kid hopefully you got some of those emails or did that... I got a couple of them and it was like way past..I'm still skeptical I think there's just in the minority yeah maybe there were a few It was long after I was like decade after anything that I experienced when I was a kid so I'm not I'm still sticking to my guns on that

CHAPTER 34 / 35 Discussion

Zohydro FDA Approval and Reverse Native Advertising

The FDA has approved Zohydro, a potent new painkiller that experts warn could be lethal in small doses. Adam Curry presents a theory of "reverse native advertising," suggesting that pharmaceutical companies might pay for news coverage highlighting a drug's danger to ensure it remains a controlled, high-value product on the market.

zohydro· fda· vicodin· richard besser· abc news· pharmaceutical marketing

3:33:26 I'm done. I have two drone clips if you're interested no drones today We did you know we did kill 55 me here's how it works oh Really, you think you can parade around you Taliban and you do a queue in the Peninsula You think you can put our YouTube video out there? Let's take that they killed 50 50 guys with a drone Yeah Yemen now They always say that there's 50, you know they only drone high value targets. Yeah I went to the Rewards for Justice website yeah those guys all the high-value targets are on that website You can't find 50

3:34:16 Well, who did they kill? I don't know. Maybe some noodle boys...I have no idea. They killed the bomb maker well they're sending the DNA off to see if it was the bomb maker. Oh, the bomb maker! That guy's been killed two or three times from what i can tell you. I have a good clip that we want to play something uh this is just part of a shtick that was on again ABC and I've realized again coming to the realization that native advertising can sometimes take them and you we talked about this a lot where they day plug in the case of this is so hydro well-off talk about this trip they plugged this thing in awkward way by telling how dangerous it is right and this ran on two different shows one was

3:35:07 I think it was on Good Morning America and the Nightly News. It was exact same report, the exact same guy and i'm now beginning to think because this was so long and they brought the expert in... my clip is only at the beginning of it They brought the expert in he went on and on and then next time they show pictures of pills that tell you how dangerous..I am now beginning to think and there's just something that's in the back of my mind Because of my change in attitude about native advertising The Taco Bell one in particular You mean your starting to like it? No, no I'm beginning to think that these they are promoting the drugs but i think that it's possible that these are actually native advertisers that are paid for by the drug companies. In other words and it goes...it would go like this we were..we want to pay you Wait a minute wait a minute wait a minute

3:35:56 Hello ABC ad department. Yeah, this is a Zoloft. Hey Zoloft yeah alright. Zohydro is what our new product is and it's just really we want to... That Zoloft stuff was no good you got anything new? Zohydro. What I do if you want to put a we wanna pay for yes Here's the other, just listen to me out. Hold on a second I have some avails for you in the uh...I've got in the news. Wait wait let me hear ya, they hear this. I got the A block what do- You got an idea? Okay you got an idea I'm listening. This is different than what you're used to hearing. I'm listening. Okay We want to pay for the reporting on this particular drug. We're bringing up because the drug is so dangerous That we will pay to get the word out about how dangerous it is It's kind of a reverse native advertising is not quite the same Because we're not just paying if to do some fluff, right? This is a dangerous product that and we want to make sure it stays on the market But we need we want to get these disclaimers out there So will paper where you also have a guide sheet and then they also have a bunch of

3:36:59 points, talking points that need to be in here. I don't think you guys... Do you have any experts you can bring in? We have one and we got a bunch of B-roll. You got b-roll, you got experts? And we can use your expert because he's worked with us before as a good man Who do you want who do you want to work on this? We have his name. We have our medical person would that be good? Yeah, we've got the... That guy He needs a limo and any needs hair and makeup for every location is it location shoot? The cost is no object Is it a location shoot No, no. This is all we want in studio. We want you to be in the studio. Oh okay well then he just needs a car from his house. Yeah yeah like I said cost is no object. Top dollar. Right okay so I do have to price this obviously at coverage value

3:37:52 So that would be number, so the share we have. We have a 15 share you're talking about the prime time slot yeah? Oh yeah! 15 share and we have to add a billboard fee to that because we're not going to do it but it would be in place of a billboard fee And of course the host endorsement for doing the actual piece. That'll be... Now that's an interesting point because there is no host endorsement involved here, this is a news story and the host is not endorsing it he's actually telling people NOT to use it! But do you want the hosts asking difficult questions or do you want them just follow your script?

3:38:28 Script. That is a SAG job, SAGAFTRA. The rate for that is $1500 per day so we do have to do a full-day rate for that? That's not a problem. Okay all right uh... So your total will be $175,000 dollars for the first run if you repeat at night will give you a deal and will do that for 35 thousand Okay, I'll get back to my people that sounds reasonable. Okay? All right Thanks for calling and now the result

3:39:05 Medical news and concern about a new painkiller that is 10 times more potent than Vicodin, and has said that it could kill with just two pills. Zohydro is set to hit the market early this month but drug experts addiction experts are worried that it could trigger a huge jump in overdoses and deaths they're urging the FDA to reconsider its approval so let's bring chief health and medical editor Dr Richard Besser in for more of this can you tell us more about this drug? And is it really as potent as these experts are warning? Did you see the piece? Yeah. How are sales? It looks good, things look good. We're actually we've got another piece that we want to do on how people are going to kind of maybe transition to heroin and we're getting that subsidized by the government, by the US government one of the agencies one of the three letter agencies You know what I'm talking about yeah Of course we know it's gonna help us out on that and so i'm gonna refer you to something else for future

CHAPTER 35 / 35 Discussion

Arnold Schwarzenegger and Climate Change Campaign

Arnold Schwarzenegger is featured in a Showtime series titled "Years of Living Dangerously," where he campaigns for green energy and climate change awareness. The hosts mock his "crusade" and his use of the catchphrase "terminate climate change," while speculating on the high appearance fees involved in such celebrity-driven environmental advocacy.

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3:40:01 Oh, well you know I'm happy to give you 5% for any referral of any new advertisers. Well I think your going to want to give these guys a bigger discount and that's all i can say right now im done with this campaign your gonna have to talk to them my secretary will send the name to you your secretary will take care of it Hi, is this Arnold Schwarzenegger's agent? Hello. Hello. Hello! Hello is this Arnold's agent? Hey Arnold's agent listen we've got this campaign going on but it's a Showtime thing and It's all about climate change so you know I could do you think the governor could... The Govenator

3:40:47 Do you call him Governor when you talk to him? Uh huh, yeah. Yeah do you think we could get them to do like a little piece for this years of living dangerously I mean he will profile and beautifully will package it up will have them hanging out with forest firefighters and he can promote his electric car does he have...he has Tesla doesn't he one of the original Teslas so he can promote that how much for like a one minute segment One minute let me take hold on second And for this sort of thing he's gonna want $50,000. 50? Wow that's quite a bargain! Oh yeah it's good deal is something he cares about and is that a buyout we don't know residuals no no always residual but its not a union gig

3:41:35 Showtime we have our own contract you have to sign it the residuals are 10% Okay, every time it's showing is $5,000 and can we get him to do at least one of the catchphrases from from one? Of his movies. Oh does he do all that? Can I do what I'll be back no wait now That's too hokey can he do uh can't do something like he'll like terminate something like terminate climate change or something Is that ten thousand you said 15 for that one really that's more than I'll be back I'll be back has been changed the rates now 15 for that too. They're all 50. All right, thank you. Governor, I've seen the tremendous changes over the last few years The amount of land that we have lost, the trees that we have lost The homes that we have lost lives that have been lost and it is due to the large extent to global warming

3:42:25 The only thing is that people don't pay that much attention to it yet because I think the environmental community has actually done a terrible job of selling that aspect of it. Right now we are going still through an economic crisis and people say, well jobs is the most important thing. The economy is the most important thing So what we have to do is with teach people if you are environmentally friendly You can actually save money. You can create jobs. You can create a green economy you can have all of those things that they're actually shooting for Each of you has an enormous opportunity to fight climate change. And I promise you, I will not stop fighting, I will not stop campaigning around the world and that would not give up until this crusade is successful. Join me together we can terminate climate change Wow! He really delivered that line Yeah, We got a bill here for ya

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