A Pure Heart

00:00 The Chinese disaster of 2030, I don't know what we're gonna call it. The Chinese population disaster of 2030? 2030! Adam Curry, John C. DeVore Act. It's Thursday January 16th 2014 time for your Gitmo Nation media assassination episode 583 This is no agenda Well, maybe we should incorporate the Redbook into this brand new system I'm using.

00:44 Oh, yeah. No it's actually it can't be good no well that you heard me Mess up my opening because as I was as I was reading the line always write my opening what? Yeah, I always write my opening You know I right the oh so disappointed all right. I still mix it all live But but as I'm reading and I'm like wow It's so much easier to read have you ever had this way your read your actually written. I've had this with teleprompter Where you're reading something off the teleprompter and you're looking into the camera, but you're thinking something completely different. And it's smooth as silk? Except for yeah except this wasn't so smooth because I was thinking...I'm going counting down to the 20-30 arm again like my god look how beautiful this type font is! This looks really good and then i messed up taxes. I said taxes instead of Texas

01:36 Tax taxes. Well, there you have it. Get Monation no taxes! I remember the first when i used to do broadcasting when i was young in college and just after college and you'd read these PSAs and these different kinds of things they hand you And I remember the first time where i was reading it, where I actually felt like I was saying it without reading it. Yeah? I know what you know what I'm... Oh yeah no! It's really when you get to that level and I had that because MTV was almost eight years of this When you get to that level with where they can put like three lines and a one word and You can weave in and out of that and talk to people it really is it's like

02:20 It's like, um... it's great! It really is. It makes you feel very powerful Like whatever happens I... How about that? It always made me feel good I got this, I can handle this. If you sound natural with what I'm saying when you actually feel sounding natural and even though your reading yeah i think that's a kind of an interesting moment it is indeed as opposed to some people who just never get to that they're always reading it sounds like the reading because some people may I think an interesting reverse engineering version of this is to just make it sound like you're reading when you talk. Yeah! Hi honey, how are you doing today? How was your day? Hello dear... How was your day? Honey? How are you? I gotta try that. No but Dave Jones who's been working on the Freedom Controller with me for we've been doing this three years now i think

03:12 He delivered the kind of like the next generation. This thing, this software John it's almost... It's like a news show in a box thing. It takes you all the way from like a Pinterest for News all the way to Show Notes All the way through The No Agenda Show runs on this and it's... I just wrote that down on a piece of paper which will be lost to history because it is not in there anymore. Sorry, what did you write down Pinterest for news? Yeah. Yeah No I it's funny because I had that that came to me in the middle of the night and I emailed myself That like hey, that's pretty good actually that's a pitch. That's a pitch right there Oh yeah, no, it's a picture of some money Exactly think of it as Pinterest for news Now Pinterest for the Newsroom John for the News room is even better than that

04:06 Anyway, so just to start off I did not watch you on the Twitch shows live because of... Miss Mickey and I decided to watch The Golden Globes on Sunday from beginning to end. We actually watched the red carpet. I really needed to experience some entertainment in my life And you know luckily here in the west coast and this has been traditional for years because they start at five o'clock for the East Coasters, and then you get it I guess seven. Yeah seven o'clock They play it twice in a row Oh, right. So you get it live and they start over again? Right. They start over again at 8 so I didn't have to worry...I knew as you're gonna miss them because i'm doing the show but then I knew I'd just catch it that eight. So here's uh..I have no clips or anything um...it's not necessary because it was the experience in general

05:01 First of all, throughout the entire... every acceptance speech I'm like where is the political stuff? I don't care if it's pro or con. It doesn't matter Can somebody please say something about the state of the world on this incredible platform No, especially with the Golden Globes which are supposed to be fun and you can do whatever you want. And by the way it's The Hollywood Foreign Press It's about the entire world it's not just The United States is The Foreign Press You know that Golden Globes are actually solely owned by Peter Guber? I don't know... Is that a fact? As far as I know, yeah he used to do a show with Peter Bart on public TV and Bart kept needling him about that. Well they used to be completely corrupt and I guess they cleaned it up awhile ago but anyway so two things the main thing is after we were done and it was over at 10 it was on time and I turned off the tv and Mickey and I looked each other like I'm so depressed

06:05 Why? Because for three hours the television was telling me my family's not perfect, I don't look good. I have the wrong car...I mean I felt like assaulted by these ads and you know and i'm a sensitive guy in general yeah my family is not perfect but then you just see all these commercials with kids are all that kids and parents everything's great now love each other everything fabulous oh and then and the kid winds up being Olympic athlete And you just feel like a shit, like a stupid no-good lowlife parent who has the wrong car. I don't have a Cadillac." Oh... and I don't know what that is but... But I physically felt depressed so this is not healthy for you We never watch television or rarely So to really go through the whole thing No wonder people need all these antidepressants The television is depressing you

07:04 It was really, you know... it was like a grand experiment. Well I kind of sped watch it so I zoom past the commercials and then we kinda skipped around. Yeah. And I didn't even see..I probably watched about 1 third of it and it was...you know Tina Fey and her friend are funny to a point. Ah man! You know how many times is going to remain funny that these chicks are drunk and making out with superstars? How...and this not funny anymore. This just not It's not funny. And how many people understand who Harvey Weinstein is when you're doing inside jokes? No one knows who Harv- it was like some fathead dude there, I don't know who that is! Nah... That wasn't true. There's a little too much inside baseball The thing that kind of hit today and I believe it stems from a post hmmm.. It may have been from the Huffington Post You know, I'm sure they stole it from somewhere else or copied it

08:02 the gay community, the LGBTQQ&I are very outraged at Matthew McConaughey and Jared Leto. And it's funny this is just funny this is how lame the LGBTQQI community really is they feel that Matthew McConaughey and Jared Leto who both won awards for their starring role in supporting role in The Dallas Buyers Club which I thought was a very good movie except at the end there when they They kind of buckled to the pharmaceutical industry and undid the whole movie by saying, oh well you know really that drug AZT it once we gave people less of it more people lived. And the whole movies about that cancer drug killing AIDS patients HIV patients

08:54 They're all saying, in your acceptance speech you shouldn't have talked so much about Brazilian waxing. You should've talked about HIV AIDS and people dying man! I'm like did you watch the movie? The whole movie was a statement about this and then these guys win and then everyone's pissed off because they're talking about how much weight they had to lose or how hard it was to actually portray these characters This is sad It's sad, no it is. I missed that part. That was one of the Bs in the BBs. No, take it back. I saw Makani go up there The guy's a robot! He has zero charm he sounds like he does not seem like a person you could have a drink with Very robotic Stiff Everyone's drunk at this thing Well that could be but he wasn't drunk enough Anyway

09:48 So I'm just, but I got more about the gay community in general. I've got more to bitch about today. Uh oh! Oh yes... No it's very good Do you want to first start with the obvious? I have a clip that relates to the newsletter and of course The Red Book since you said its full do you have a clip about the DEA stuff because I have a clippage no I do not okay they claimed that there were as many as 50 this by the way is a very funny report from CNN with Brolf, and I say funny because even though we have completely... this goes back to July of 2011?

10:32 or 12, 11 maybe. I don't know that we were talking about... Well you know actually it may be 11 when we first picked up on it. I think it maybe eleven uh whatever the case is years ago yeah and he had in fact and the last newsletter right I think I put a link into the document that we yes the actual documents so on CNN of course this is now blowing up and I believe it's all part of Hillary 2016, now it's tit for tat. We're gonna make you Republicans look bad we'll make you Democrats look bad! We're gonna make YOU look bad! Oh yeah? Well look what I got! I got these documents from the DEA and of course CNN can't really make the president or the DEA or Holder anybody really look bad so they gotta discredit in a bit. They claim that there were as many as 50 meetings between the DEA and operatives from Mexican drug cartels

11:22 Before I continue with this, by the way. I love it when whenever there's something that has to do with drug cartels from Mexico bring in the Hispanic reporter please This is so obvious what they're doing over at CNN need to tell you exactly how they got their information Essentially they took a look at a case out of federal court in Chicago This is the deposition that they mainly based the report on and the deposition is... That wasn't a deposition. No, I know he's lying. He doesn't know what he's talking about. Meanwhile they're showing the documents and the court documents are scrolling by kind of really small on the screen

12:02 So they're discrediting the actual evidence from this court case which we've put in the show notes and we discussed. An attorney representing a Mexican drug lord in which he claims that he was... He wasn't a drug lord! We're never going to get through this clip. He was mediating between the leadership of the Sinaloa drug cartel and the DEA now it is really up for interpretation whether we want to believe what an attorney for a drug cartel says but let me read to you Wolf real quick what he told in deposition again this is under oath

12:42 He said, Mr. Loya Castro, this is the attorney that I'm telling you about stated that agents told him that In exchange for... The attorney wasn't under oath. Keep, keep it you I'm counting on you to debunk so keep talking Unbelievable. ...of a rival drug trafficking organizations the United States government agreed to dismiss the prosecution of the pending case against Mr. Loya Castro not to interfere with his drug trafficking activities and those of the Sinaloa cartel not to act You have to say it and those are the Sinaloa Cartel You have to talk like this when you're doing... Hey, Ralph! This is the Sinaloa Cartel. ...to prosecute him and listen to this... Prosecute him? Why can't they have Barbara Starrr? Why do they have to have THIS guy on? It's so obvious. Because he's the only one who understands.

13:29 I don't know, it's racist. Yes! Thank you. have no comment on this case and there's no Mexican official that has validated... This case was filed in 2010. ...this information so far Yeah, but we're on the ball now you see. 2010 it was filed! Now we're looking at 2014 and these guys at CNN are dragging it into the... Let's hear Brolf wrap it up Do we know anything else about these alleged arrangements including if there were actually any payoffs?

14:12 uh... the report doesn't specifically talk about payouts but it does is very specific like you let us run drugs throughout all of america give us all of chicago and i think that they're both thinking exchange of money I don't get why they would even come up in a conversation when there's a deal but okay. Yeah, he talks very specifically about the fact that an exchange for information the operative was going to essentially avoid any type of prosecution, benefiting the Mexican drug cartel known as the Sinaloa Cartel and providing information to US agents about rival drug cartels namely Los Zetas Cartels and the Gulf Cartel. Dr Fauci thanks so much as always for joining us

14:55 The guy's a doctor? Good to be here, Brolf. No I was just playing the Brolf. Playing the Brolf clip! Sorry. You stepped on it good work. Play it again come on come on. Good work there John. Dr Fauci thanks so much as always for joining us. Good to be here, Brolf. It's always funny. It's always good for your cheek labs. You may not think those girls making out with celebrities is funny but this is high level comedy Well, exactly. Do you want to just briefly explain since we had this in the Red Book? We had this in the book more than two years ago... We've discussed it ad nauseum on the show and I believe although I wouldn't know exactly where to look I believe in the show we actually said this will never come to light no one's ever gonna bring- that was actually a mistake because we didn't think we said that yeah I think we said there this will go nowhere I'm pretty sure we said something like that. I don't remember saying that

15:50 Whatever the case is, it didn't go anywhere essentially. Now it's cropped up again for whatever reason makes no sense to me at four years after that almost four years after the fact I think I think it's a tit-for-tat. I mean this is...I see this continue so first we slam Biden then we slam Christie you know then we've got to go back we gotta slam uh... you know that he is what's here's was interesting about it to me and then listening to that report nowhere do they mention which is in the document as s as i recall having looked at again is it mentioned on these news reports that fast and furious was a gun running operation which explains everything no now of course lost guns it explains the loss against because they were never lost they were literally given to the sinaloa cartel for some to kill the other guys whatever to kidnap take to get rid of the other gang members which was getting ready other gangs into that do that you know dividing conqueror something jc air buskill junior

16:45 You mentioned there's a video game that has this, or some book or novel that uses this model of just providing one Group amongst a lot of groups all the power until they wipe out the other groups And then you wipe them out which is the way it always ends, and I'm sure the Sinaloa guys think well We can we can avoid that Well do you think that was the plan all along was to get there to do that? And then to wind up wiping out the Sinaloa cartel what do you think that was the actual plan because yeah now that he mentions this storyline. I'm thinking That's probably one of these what do you think if bureaucrats who sit around reading all the time ago? Let's do this You know what

17:24 When we talked about this, a lot of people emailed about this storyline and I'm pretty sure the chat room will recall what it was. It was from a TV series not again...it wasn't that it was a tv series that had this exact storyline yeah well this is the storyline I think that they're trying to implement I don't think it's doable but I but the fact that CNN wouldn't mention The Fast and Furious thing which does explain The whole thing, I mean if you look at it as a gun running operation yeah okay now it makes sense that the guns are all over the place down there that we sent them and we're behind it and the agent got killed with a gun so they had to kind of change their story. They didn't want to admit they were doing this because the American public doesn't understand something is complicated as this

18:13 I'm sure it sounds great in the meetings. You know what? We're gonna do! I got a great idea, I saw this TV show...I got a great idea this is this will work It worked on TV Yeah exactly so I think but you know if they if someone just sat down with the American public and did a fireside chat I don't know um How about let Michelle do it you now at this point no one's gonna believe Barack Let Michelle do it sit down say look look listen here was the plan All we wanted to do was, we wanted to get rid of all the gangs. So we picked the guys who thought were the winners, the Sinaloa cartel We gave them guns and let them traffic some drugs but we needed money for the banks anyway Look! The whole economy is running on this drug money from Mexico And the money comes back into our country so that's all good for Barclays and USBC whatever... Then the idea was once those guys were there with you only ones left then we drone him

19:12 Then would then we'd be rid of the problem. Yeah, and if I think most America which it will go oh well okay? America yeah No no No, I don't think so that public has been you're ignoring the fact that after watching there's three hours a television the public is nullified It's its public as I lost it So there was something else that all of a sudden started happening And this is a... there is definitely the powers at play here. And I think I have a theory on where it's going, there is no doubt this is moving towards the 2000 well certainly 2014 but towards you know we need three years at least uh well it's gonna be two now

19:58 for the 2016 election. It's time to start, the TV networks need the ad revenue they want they need the controversy They need something to start so now stuff is coming out and of course one of the main things that may have gotten snowed under a little bit was this report about the military knowing within 15 minutes that the attack on a consulate in Benghazi was, in fact, a terror attack. A Senate panel report says the September 11th 2012 attack on a U.S diplomatic outpost in Benghazi Libya was preventable The attack killed the US ambassador to Libya Christopher Stevens and three other u.s government personnel but the State Department says there was no specific evidence to show that militants were preparing an attack Now here's the other report It goes to the heart of the Benghazi matter now newly declassified documents

20:51 I show that President Obama's closest military advisors knew within 15 minutes it was terrorism on September 11th. Now let me just remind you of the response from the president and Rose Garden at the United Nations, and from clippity-clop Hillary Clinton... We reject all efforts to denigrate the religious beliefs of others Some have sought to justify this vicious behavior along with the protest that took place at our embassy in Cairo yesterday as a response to inflammatory material posted on the internet. That is what we saw play out in the last two weeks, was a crude and disgusting video sparked outrage throughout the Muslim world

21:38 Now I have made it clear that the United States government had nothing to do with this video. It's so fun to listen to things in retrospect Nobody plays this stuff No, of course not now here is something...I think i have a theory and it ties into uh...this report I'm sure you read this and I didn't really look at its it's not so much about the truth in it or but it's Hitler's Mein Kampf the book is apparently exploding in e-book sales and I'm not quite sure... How do you get this data? Just Google it. Amazon, for some reason Hitler's Mein Kampf that is here ABC News Hitler's Mein Kampf surges in e-book sales! Hitler's anti-semitic political testament Mein Kampf Not so sure was only about... I don't think there was anyway

22:38 Whatever. This is written by someone who I don't think read it, is surging up electronic book bestseller lists now I don't think people are looking for a new Hitler necessary But I do think we need to be on the lookout for something else and we can just look at history And I think that this report kind of ties into that This was a little collection of what has happened to the military leadership in these United States. And this is only maybe a third of what's happened since Benghazi." A stunning chain of events today Michael Kerry, the two-star general responsible for the nation's three intercontinental ballistic missile wings fired from his command The reason? Personal misbehavior on a military business trip

23:27 This comes just 48 hours after President Obama himself relieved the number two in command over the nation's nuclear arsenal, over his suspected use of counterfeit poker chips. These follow an alarming string of general officers losing their jobs this year for inappropriate behavior, misconduct or lack of leadership. Two Marine Corps generals fired less than two weeks ago for not providing proper force protection in Afghanistan and Army Brigadier General relieved of duty for adultery and army to star general fired from groping a civilian and in March a Navy one-star removed four racially insensitive

24:07 comments and abusive leadership. Now of course we know that General Ham was removed, we have admirals being removed since Benghazi I think the this administration is very worried not about a new Hitler who would be in national nationalistic figure because that's what Hitler was and by the way it's pretty well documented who funded Hitler and it was without doubt America had a hand in that certainly the Bush family They're afraid of a new Napoleon. And Napoleon, of course was a lieutenant who rose through the ranks and I think they're trying to get rid of anybody who could stand up... You know the military is no friends with this administration or with this Congress you know cutting their promised benefits etc and the military pretty well they got to tanks weapons guns airplanes ships and uh..and i'm thinking that there still as a chance and and you may think I'm nuts

25:07 Yeah. That general, former General David Petraeus may move to the forefront as the Napoleon who needs to come and save the nation now that you know Christie's out of the way that's not gonna happen anymore I think there's a possibility that is why this purge is taking place anyone who has any type of power whatsoever get them out of the way quick if they're not loyal I don't think so personally. I just don't see this kind of action taking place. Petraeus, I'm sure would like to think that himself why people are reading Mein Kampf is probably because it's free i'm guessing on the ebooks It's a good read! I mean I've read it Yeah, I've read it too Here's what we should do We should... Is it public domain by now?

26:07 Well, I don't think Hitler's gonna sue you for copyright infringement. Well then we can release it... Technically he was done with it. It could be public domain yeah? So we could re-release it and then on the cover it would say, ''It's a good read John C. Dvorak.'' Yeah that's what I'd donate! I think we should re-edit it. That would be funnier! That would be very funny! It's a good read! Mind comedy comp! Yikes, with Hitler... It's probably been done. Mel Brooks of course did History Of The World which was great and he did a lot of that stuff in there Anyway, I had a stroke of genius Which is going to help us retire? I know you're always on the lookout for that

26:58 and it is also going to help everyone who is a part of the No Agenda production family start a business that will be very successful. Does this sound like a win-win to you? Well, doesn't sound like anything but hot air but go on! Okay what were the big Armageddon crises of our time I won't go back too far 2000 what was 2000? I don't know... Of course you know The millennial bug. Y2K! Alright, y2k And what was that basically? Bullshit Soaking the public there were billions of dollars made maybe hundreds of billions Right exactly Well you might as well have mentioned the dot-com collapse in 2001 No no this is simple because it was just a date All it was... I'm talking about just dates Okay if I am playing along As best I can Alright What was the next time this scam happened

28:02 9-11 no no a date that that people were afraid of. That's a date? No, no, no John you don't understand what 2012 the Mayan calendar end of the world all right right 2012 at the end of the world I remember that billions talking about this on this show because i went to a meeting with a bunch of these people that we're expecting the worst billions of dollars made on that Billions! We even made money on it with Mayan challenge coins. Exactly. Okay, so it's clear that... Great coin by the way. It was a beautiful coin. It's clear that the human psyche likes this and we like having some doomsday date that you know everyone lives forward to and of course you can make a tonne of money and you need about a decade

28:55 So that was, you know between this it was 12 years between the Y2K and then we had the 2000. And it was nothing but a date based upon some smorgasbord bullcrap Mayan dumb stuff and everyone bought into it and there's tons of money so my idea 2030 20th and in 2030 is going to be the next date and it's going to be Armageddon 2030 is the new 2012. In fact, I've registered The2030club.com so you can go there right now, The2030club.com and if you Google around for 2030 news stories it's already happening. Obesity apocalypse by 2030 says ABC News. I got 2030club.com that says welcome to WebEye affordable reliable web home. The!

29:50 Why don't you just get 2030 Club? Because it was taken by WebEye, whoever you just landed on. Hello! Don't you think I'm stupid?! The 2030 Club. Science is in! 2030 will see total Armageddon climate systems financial assistance food shortage yeah You got the okay... Are you with me? Now we gotta get our consulting meeting here First of all this all has to be centered the page. This is just a placeholder! It has to be centered and it has to have a black background with red fonts

30:28 Sorry you are so right yes with red letters. Yeah, I'm sorry and maximum font size Okay, I'm taking notes hold on all centered down the gut it has to go all the way to China It's gonna be a long that no cleaning those hold on hold on black background Red letters and then green and yellow letters flashing flashing blinking stuff no blinking Blinking so it goes all the way down, and then all these links are not links They're they're just for further down on the same page. So the pages really long Just one very long page okay

31:10 So here's the idea. By the way, if you want you can have a few animated gifs Yes and so You know we need to get your cycle book out And just 2030 is the date whatever is in there change it 2030 is the date We need T-shirts Everybody can get in on this and of course you could become a member of The 2030 Club starting as at the beginning of January and you'll be on this list See, Adam and John are there so if you donate a total of $20.30 then you're in the 20-30 club this is your website but if you donate seven dollars and thirty cents a month by 2030 you'll be a member of the 20-30 Club So there's a number of ways to get time yeah just as a number of ways to get there

31:56 My thinking is this is our retirement plan because everything in 16 years will want to retire. We'll be tired of it I think that's a good 2030, I think is a good number for you and I to end the show in 2030 And we just need to push the Armageddon. I'm not quite sure which one it's gonna be I have jobs apocalypse 2030 food apocalypse jobs pot I have food crisis 2030 climate crisis 2030 water water water Oh that might be a good one in water Let me write that down to water. So, I think we did We just need to own two twenty thirty whenever someone Googles 2030 Armageddon 2030 apocalypse we need to own that they need to show up on our black background with red letters and

32:40 Right, but we can have alternate sites. There's no reason to just have one site No of course not And all producers can get in on this because they can start 2030 businesses which will make money 2030 sites Yes and then you send us a little piece of the action and our promise is that we will propagate 2030 as the Armageddon year and we'll make 2030 the new 2012 and everybody else could start a business on it Now you said that there's an alternative ending to the Mayan calendar that was 2030? No, I didn't say that. Oh well you just did now... Oh! I'm sorry yes no i think that's too flimsy. I like the water... No it is just an element yeah but I know I like water because no one has really claimed that yet and it's so unprovable

33:32 And I'm sure tons of water is going to be somehow vanished from the face of the earth. It'll only be bottled water owned by Coca-Cola? No, well actually there's already some evidence that people are trying to buy up these huge water reservoirs. The bushes have an aquifer in Paraguay. So this is perfect! 2030 the2030club.com and we will I'm gonna change the background, i'll get the red letters going and it'll just be news about... And now..and I will maintain that! I am happy to do that with stories about how 2030 is just going to end everything's going to end I like the way you got this goes climate system financial food charges obesity crisis fact! Well hey this is only one half of the consulting group imagine when we do couple meetings on this yeah

34:24 You like? No, I do. And you've done that you've managed to come up with these crazy schemes on an occasional basis and they've always been successful. And so here are the news is what I'm going to post today or here it is study predicts obesity apocalypse By 2030 ABC News. Here's how they start off their article, rising sea- Obesopilic- Obese apocalypse Rising sea levels Flying cars Speculation about what the world will look like a quarter century from now are in no short supply But if new research released this week is correct We can at least be sure of one thing The forecast calls for fatness Where you getting that? ABC News Wow Released in the journal obesity

35:12 The study suggested by the year 2030 nearly every American will be overweight or obese. So that's one, then we have the apocalypse delayed until... this is CNET UK government... Every American will be obese? Yeah! We'll be retired but we'll be fat The UK government's chief scientist declares that 2030 will be the year in which food and energy shortages coupled with population explosion and climate change will create disaster. Do you need any more headline than that? No, it's a good one these guys are writing it for us Or a stray meteorite might smack into the world I like that beautiful

36:00 Beautiful. We're all doomed So I think we need so we'll maintain the 2030 club, the 2030club.com and you can certainly register domain names and point to this And we'll work on some more of the...I'm just gonna put stories there It needs to be the 2030 hub of information and will continue to propagate that so everyone else can build a business around it And oh, there's plenty of their seminars Webinars baby. What are you talking about webinars and seminars? It's crazy possibly get up there and they tell you how it's all gonna end webinar I went to this one over it was in Masonic or by the NARS that area San Francisco

36:51 uh... the the greens restaurant is whatever it is this a whistle or whole area and they had the big meeting there of all these twenty twelve p we were actually at their dinner in the week walk by and i went in and meanwhile you know my mom but me me and jayle hash still going on so i so i went in and the place was crawling with babes are really she has twenty twelve days what a benefit to what the heck Oh, check this out. Popsci, John! Oh my gosh this stuff is just writing itself! Popsci... Surely you've heard of pop sci? Popsci! M-I-T predicts world economy will collapse by 2030! Oh come on this is beautiful! You gotta get your book out!! I'm gonna put this link in the show notes This is fabulous Well you know what according to The Cycle uh what actually happens in 2030? It's probably really good stuff

37:49 We're done. It's all great actually nothing I didn't hear you say that okay well talking about that since you talk about the obesity thing so i'm watching this uh watching some television and see what clip is here it's uh it's just your copyright making available how about this my big clip bitcoin crashes 2030 yeah that's definitely going to happen here controversy over spinning Hold on a second. It's funny we were just talking about disappointed in this All right, we're gonna move on now to one of the hottest workout trends Does it make you bigger instead of smaller celebrity trainer Tracy Anderson landed in the hot seat after saying that spinning? bulks up the thought did you change

38:46 is a spinning fan she's here with the skinny on the exercise now as you know I am an expert in the in the whole line of spinning. I had no idea that spinning is nothing more than a bunch of people getting in a room on stationary bicycles and been pumping away like crazy! That is not true That's what it looks like to me. Right? Would you like me... You can get your own stationary bicycle in your house and do the same thing cheaper Yes, yes you can. Would you like me to tell you what it really is? No Okay Go ahead No, no, you're just gonna mock me I'm not my bigoted opinion on this Yeah, he's mocking you You're essentially in there with a bunch of women they are all pumping away, pumping away, pumping away and getting big thighs No Okay

39:38 There's multiple parts to this. One is for someone who is intimidated by going to a gym where there are bunch of guys walking around with huge abs and you know, like a sock in their crotch... Jesus! What exercise causes that? But they put a sock in the crotch or they're wearing something down there By the way before you continue let me say this Was under the impression that I didn't even know what spinning was. They didn't know it's just pumping away I thought it was some sort of like maybe some yoga-like thing where you're in a room spinning No, that's not what it is So the so it is for

40:25 And it's mainly for women, because it's women mainly who are there. But for guys, it's fabulous because 80% of the audience in the spin class are women who already look good and then you have the ones who need help and therefore to lose weight...and they're really nice! You can fraternize with them Easily, because they're like hey you know... You get to move the bicycle around? No. You're all in a row next to each other and these are very specific type of spin exercise bicycles and you can change the friction on the flywheel

41:11 I understand that but how can you fraternize with anybody except the one next to you? That's well, no. You fraternize as you're going in and coming out and with the person next to you And it is really a performance by The Trainer who puts together a playlist of songs that have specific rhythms It's not unlike going to a club In fact, you all get into the same vibe and there's exercises you do where you're moving up and down standing or using your core crunches. Exercising your obliques... I prefer the listeners to The No Agenda Show who bring their own iPod and listen to The No Agenda Show while they're at the gym. You are hurting the show with this! That is bullshit. This is a very ...I'm going to defend this

42:01 I'm going to, if you're going to the gym and running or working out yeah you should listen to NOAH Gender Show. This is a 45 minute that's all it is 45 minute high intensity workout and I have not seen a bunch of women walking around with huge thighs in fact I see nothing but really cute butts really toned arms really nice bodies most of them are tiny they're small for some reason spin class attracts tiny women And I myself have lost my entire, almost my entire gut. I have now a two-pack instead of one. I'm working towards six and My chest has expanded by an inch and a half and I feel really really good! My circulation is great... I went to the dentist he said well We won't have to rip all your teeth out like we thought because your circulation is really good in your gums Sex is good even at home Come on that was funny

43:00 And so yeah, but this all right okay. I'm done So this is just a what you're saying really is that this is actually just a publicity stunt. Yes for some spinning or the spinning operation who which is a commercial operation and they got some free publicity definitely and good for them definitely exactly, and this was on The Good Morning America or something I think which is perfect for this audience for that audience yeah You know there were two things because I got a couple clips from from The Morning Shows do you think so? You thought that was dumb How about this? This is Charlie Rose, ladies and gentlemen. Charlie Rose the journalist extraordinaire! And listen to this great piece we've got about the Smithsonian! Lady Michelle Obama is marking another fashion milestone The Smithsonian Institution decided two dresses are better than one! Jan Crawford is in Washington at the National Museum of American History. Jan good morning

43:58 Well, good morning Charlie Nora and Gail. Okay so the Smithsonian usually only exhibits the first gown that the First Lady would wear in her first inaugural ball. Oh shocker! Of course this white gown that we all remember Mrs Obama wore four years ago That's been on display here for the past few years but starting today The public will be able to see Mrs Obama's second inaugural ball gown Now Mrs. Obama's shoes also will be on display, but they're a little different than the shoes she wore four years ago They're by the same designer Jimmy Choo and they are red obviously to match the red dress But the big difference is the heel they're about half as tall As the one she wore in the first inaugural ball And we can't win an award for A podcast yet The Jimmy Choo shoes from the second inaugural ball are in the museum

44:49 Yeah. And by the way, Jimmy Choo is not a designer you idiot! Jimmy Choo was the brand- the woman who started that... Is a woman! Her name is not Jimmy ABC went one step further with your tax dollars. It's a very revealing People Magazine interview with First Lady Michelle Obama just before her 50th birthday, so honest on a range of topics... She already did the uptalk at birthdays it starting! Including her take on plastic surgery and Botox we've got an exclusive first look right here The big day is fast approaching. One thing we know for sure is that the president has already given an early gift while on the annual family vacation in Hawaii, taking the girls home to Washington leaving the first lady behind for an extra few days of vacay. Vacay!

45:41 with some of her close friends including Oprah. She looks so fantastic and just to be clear Mrs Obama says she doesn't imagine having plastic surgery but she's learned never say never. I thought she was going to say, just to be clear Mrs. Obama and Mr. Obama are paying for the extra plane ride and extra $80,000 a day out of their own pocket that's what i thought she was gonna say but instead no it you went back to the lead about the plastic surgery Well, if you go to your email I want you open up that little thing i sent you on Obama. Yeah and this is actually maybe actually happening it's actually it's actually actually actually this notice has been showing up in the National Enquirer which we know is actually a pretty good operation they paid for their stories about Obama and Michelle having uh... you know at the point of almost getting divorced and then having a big fight

46:36 Because Obama's fooling around somehow. And this reminds me, I have it in the PR links for today, producer Tim registered Obamadivorce.com for us Nice and if you click on if you go to obamadivorce.com it currently forwards to the No Agenda Show website Excellent, what timing. So go to your Google browser and click on the images to get to the image browser or just type in Obama titcomb hold on a second we need to keep up with this No, E. Just E. I'm not... no, no E's T-I-T C-O-M B. B. Alright Obama tit comb images This is his best buddy from high school in Hawaii supposedly Yeah this is the... isn't he a convicted felon? This guy? Oh he tried to pick up a whore supposedly He got convicted of that

47:33 Yeah, in 2011. By the way there was never a mention of whether the whore was male or female Can you say prostitute? I mean it's not really necessary to be so denigrating towards the oldest profession in the universe. I am sorry! He tried to pick up a prostitute which was a sting operation and its never really clear if it was a male or female Right And if you look at these photos with Obama hanging out with this guy That's who he is fooling around with Is that what your saying? I didn't say anything of this sort But I think the picture, if you had the same layout that I do you would have a picture with Obama's arm over the guy in a peculiar way. Yeah, yeah, I see that. Atop there and then there is another guy who shows up in their golfing this guys name is Martin Nesbit and he's a black guy who shows up on a lot of these shots. He looks like Kanye. A little bit.

48:29 There's something up. Well, and where is Reggie Love in all this? Because Reggie... That's what I'm wondering. I knew you'd bring that up because I can't find any connection between unless Reggie is the middleman or something like that. I have no idea but supposedly when they went on this December vacation to Hawaii You mean vacay! It was a blow-up The vacay the vacay, there was a huge blow up to the point where Mrs. Obama, you can find a lot of pictures of her glaring at Barack. Glaring! Uncool glaring. Ever since that little incident with the Danish woman

49:09 They've been arguing and when Obama came back on the 747 Michelle refused to be in the same plane with him supposedly according to that inquirer it And it sounds to me as though. It's the Secret Service Because I'm assuming The Inquirer isn't making this up because they have a great history of you know paying people off to tell them yeah, and not being sued successfully exactly They have been sued yeah, and once in a while they get for you know But it's usually minor stuff is like this saying somebody was drunk. Yeah when they weren't I'm gonna never been anything like this John Edwards thing I'm putting the lid off that yeah, I'm putting this into the show notes as well so they Supposedly there in a they're having and now now When this story comes out this kind of reaffirms which wasn't wasn't mentioned in the inquirer story but it reaffirms that That comment that apparently

50:05 Obama's or Mrs. Michelle made to Sarkozy his wife Remember yeah No, well the French guy vaguely yes And you mean French guy has this hot why the hot singer wife a Carla Bruni? Carla Bruni who used to bounce on Jagger Mick Jaggers there squeeze for a while around whatever the case was she I guess felt no obligation to keep a girl's secrets and came out in the media, this is like years ago obviously when Sarkozy was still in office. And said Mrs Obama's miserable in her marriage she hates every minute of it. Oh yes! Yes I do remember that yeah she told...yes! This was about four years ago? Yeah you're right

50:50 And it just seems to be falling into place, especially with all the glaring looks she gives and all this other stuff. And if you look at these pictures here on the Obama tit comb image thing... You'll see them three of them sitting together at a basketball game and you see sitcom, you know here and there. It just seems to me that this is a lot of stress on our relationship Yes This job And there are certain women that are cut out for it and certain women like Hillary who just put up with the bullcrap knowing she's got a lock on getting somewhere herself and ditching Bill But Michelle has no skin in the game She's not going to be running for president or anything She doesn't care No

51:32 So I think she's, I think something is up here. I think they may be onto something and it said somebody in the Secret Services is sick of it, I guess. She may not want to fly without the president too often Yeah but she wasn't that...she didn't..she took her own jet at the same time. She stayed behind You don't want to be flying on that Cessna Caravan island hopping there in Hawaii with anyone who might have been responsible for a birth certificate or something Yeah, no. I yeah actually that's she probably is under which he probably I doubt she has read the economic hitman Confessions of an economic hit man now Which discusses this this problem? Which just easiest way to assassinate somebody is to put him in a little plane and then you know What does it was the etymology of tit comb as a name do you think where does this is British? Yeah But even if his British what is what is it tit comb um

52:25 I don't know, maybe in those days the women in England had very hairy breasts. Wow really? You ask me...I mean it's the best thing that can come up with. Maybe we have it in the book of knowledge! Last Anglo-Saxon origin dialectal variant of local national name Tidcombe from a place called Tidcombe First record in Wilshire. First recorded the Doomsday Book as Tiddycombe, then Tid Frith." Okay so it's from a place all right got it oh good. So that's him there's nothing anyway this is I thought would fit kind of fits with what you were talking about a little bit. What you steered me towards is I have to defend my workout let me tell you something boy! I'm looking good! I'm looking great! I'm gonna be 50 this year and I feel really good okay well

53:28 Yeah, well that's gonna be... you'll be the hair will be alive when you're dead. Let's see Okay anyway so that's why I just wanted to get that in we keep an eye on this just keep an eye on Michelle glaring at Obama she glares at him and keep an eye on the obamadivorce.com website value That is going to go up with leaps and bounds i guarantee it Well anyway, thank you for your service. Thank you for your courage and in the morning to you John C Dvorak In the morning do Adam Curry in the morning all ships at sea boots on the ground feet in there subs in The water and all the dames and knights out there in in the morning to everyone in the chatroom know agenda stream calm no agenda chat net everybody up there and

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54:57 And the credits were, since I'm trying a new system instead of nashownotes.com we're trying something new maybe temporary we'll see what we do it's noagendanotes.com so todays episode show notes will be at 583.noagendanotes.com which i also think is easier to remember Are you going to have redundantly on the other site too? Yes of course duh...duh No agenda notes dot com And this is the new system that Dave Jones has helped me put together. Actually, he's done all the work I just say it doesn't work make it like this! I'm pretty good at that apparently Yeah, it's called supervising. Yeah, yeah supervising exactly so you know of course We don't have money to pay people like National Enquirer we don't get any money from advertisers That will help you remove your cellulite

55:55 No, but we follow all this stuff. It takes time and effort and we can follow the National Enquirer and then deconstruct what they have to say and then also add some analysis Correct And I also watch the entire testimony of the president's panel on the NSA. I have a couple of clips from that Oh good. Yeah, and I think a pretty big catch...I think i got a catch out of it so that's the kind of stuff we do you know? We watch and then there was the Ukraine panel with Victoria Nuland So all that stuff were able to do because of The support of our producers And we always love to credit our executive producers and associate executive producers at the top of the show Because they're the ones that really bring in the money just like Hollywood! You get the credit, the credits are in these brand new show notes

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58:35 Yeah, yeah. But and he got truncated short because most people like the one before was extremely long So I'm not absolutely sure what happened you know and since he's in here let me Let me go get that email Sorry have it yes. It's here. I gotta do a quick search Because I didn't think he thought it got truncated because he never because the donation didn't go through but not sure Go to hear Please, truncated. It's been a year since he goes on my father has always been a skeptic about global warming He worked for years for the California Department of Water Resources and later as a director for water and resource conservation For Butte County. He basically thought all weathermen were dummies And most climate scientists were bought and paid for by the government or big business

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1:03:39 Which we spoke about on a previous episode and again, thanks to producer Tim for registering and forwarding Obama divorce calm to the website for the best podcast in the universe Dvorak org slash and those are real credits people use them wisely And please help us propagate the formula is this We go out. We hit people in the mouth Is that a pepper mill or what is that? It's the marching soldiers. Oh, oh, actually what is it I'm doing? The jackboots That's what that is. Jack boots. This is a crystal geyser alpine spring water cheap plastic bottle Okay They're made of this cheap plastic When you squeeze it they make a noise I got a lot of feedback on the universal basic income

1:04:48 Yeah, also referred to by Nixon and others as the reverse income tax. Or as an experiment in Candanavia, Mincum. Mincum? Mincum yes there was a famous experiment in 1974 they took a town of I think it's 30,000 people in Candanavia and for a number of years gave everyone a standard mincum And it was only three years ago that someone discovered all the data from this test, which they never turned into a report. And of course immediately conspiracy theories come about and say well why didn't they do that? Well who is this woman who in 19... no 2004 Evelyn Forgette which is funny by itself Dr. Evelyn Forgette conducted analysis to program 2009

1:05:42 And here's what she found. Not only were new mothers and teenagers working substantially less, mothers with newborns stopped working because they wanted to stay at home longer with their babies, teenagers worked less, they weren't under as much pressure to support the families which resulted in more teenagers graduating In addition those who continued to work were given more opportunities to choose what type of work they did She found that in the period that MinKum was administered, hospital visits dropped 8.5%, fewer incidences of work-related injuries, fewer emergency room visits from car accidents and domestic abuse, a reduction in rates of psychiatric hospitalization, number of mental illness related consultations decreased

1:06:21 Working hours dropped 1% for men, 3% for women. In all the report says that it was very successful. What was your last name again? Forget. No no what was your last name you forgot or what is it? Switzerland... You really killing me here! You should have put yourself in with the three stooges on your newsletter because you'd fit right in There's a there's quite a number of people who think this is a very good idea and I don't think it's by accident that this is being discussed right now because of the resurgence of the war on poverty. Was it Roosevelt? The anniversary! Yes, was it Roosevelt who did this 40 years ago? Lyndon Johnson. Was it Johnson really? Yeah. The Austonian

1:07:19 Switzerland has something similar. Someone told me Norway had something like this, but I couldn't find any evidence of that and of course the European Union is trying on an individual level because they can't do it on a national level to get some kind of Minkum going and this has also been analyzed for the United States and the analysis that I've read says that we could give every man-woman child in the United States a MNCOM which means it would be enough for you to live on without doing anything, and it would only cost about 25% of the defense budget. Now all of this is just academic and I have no idea... You know? I'm just reading stuff. Umm..I have to say

1:08:06 if you really look at all the hassle, because of course everything would go away John. Social security unemployment benefits lots of bureaucracies would be shuttered. All bureaucracies which is why I think it'll never happen because who would want to give up the bonanza of being a part of the welfare system in providing welfare? That would be... It would shut down a lot of waste and I don't know. I can't really...I would love to see some real studies on this or why don't we just do it here and there? Why doesn't the state just do this and see what happens?"

1:08:43 Do you think I'm nuts? It would work. The structure of things so drastically we'd have less policing, we'd have less juvenile delinquency, we'd have better educated kids because now they could afford to have their teeth cleaned and on and on... And it wouldn't work the system, the corporate corporate system wouldn't really function the way we like it to function, which is to have a kind of crime-ridden scare the public. Yeah! Just more fun the way it is. Hey you know what? It would end our show but at least we could eat. It would end the show. The show would be over

1:09:25 I thought it was really, and of course the main thing is how do you pay for it? And this is where there's a couple ways. One would be your wealth tax idea which you've harped on for many years but the reason...I think the elites could, there is a way for them to buy into this by levying consumption tax and I would just say why don't you make it carbon tax so then you win, you know. You can stop the climate change bullcrap. Do you want the carbon tax? Here's your go! Here is a carbon tax to get people but everyone gets enough money to live and then the elites make out like crazy because they're stealing all the money from the carbon tax in the carbon exchange in whatever

1:10:07 But then everybody kind of, you know maybe we'll have... There will be lots of people doing podcasts painting making music. Is this a.. Do I sound like a crazy commie when i say this? Hello okay uh but that was it everybody John quit the show Okay did you hang up on me No, my computer did. Did Windows 8 finally reboot? I don't know it maybe but it was past the hour so what happened was a message came up on the big giant new blue screen of death and never seen before and its much better font

1:10:57 It says your PC has a problem and then it just killed it. Wow, well right now you sound... there's a new sound to your signal. Oh that's not good? No, it sounds like you got something... like your disc is corrupted or something It may straighten out because it was doing a recovery of a bunch of shit. It's still booting, so... Alright okay, I'll restate the question. No no you were... let me... Oh I see okay here it is there's a message

1:11:35 Your license to use this evaluation version of Windows has expired. Yeah, and... And your PC will restart- Why can't this happen during Dvorak Horowitz Unplugged? Why on this show? Your PC will restart in one hour and continue to restart every two hours Oh, do we get through the show easy then? Never mind. Yeah but you sound like crap This is congra- I don't think it's- The sound goes straight out Okay well congratulations You successfully ruined the show I can ruin this show. Let me reiterate what you were saying, which was that with this min...I don't like that word by the way. I'd rather have reverse income tax or guaranteed income or something like that. The universal basic wage or income seems to be the main... There'll be a lot more art! Yeah, art. There will be a lot more just art in general books music visual arts. The world will be a beautiful place unicorns rainbows it sounds utopian

1:12:30 I agree. In fact, this is the definition of utopia, I believe Oh... That's a drawback Hey you it's okay well It's your own fault so i don't care how you sound Well why don't you just call me? Call me This is not a Skype problem my friend this is an audio busing problem and I know the difference Okay let take a look what we got here for our Something screwy Anyway Call call technical info. Well, it's just no packet loss or anything No that's not it's something with your audio setup is with your USB audio set up I know what I'm talking about. Yeah, okay? I know you're doing the professional I am a Professional hold on so why don't you call me still probably still booty So why don't you just calm me back immediately and they'll see what happens okay? We're back yeah now I know this

1:13:27 The other day I was trying to call John to test his cable modem and then uh, and i keep getting rejected. I'm like well okay douche whatever you know it's-I get it you don't have time for me. And then again email from Mimi he says hey you know the Skype was ringing and so is you! I had no time for you! She didn't say she was in the middle of something that's exactly what she said yeah she said I had no time for that By the way, you were right. The sound went away so... Okay very good job! Good work all right so universal basic income yeah a very interesting idea I got Sir Gene the sheriff of Texas in the back channel says the minimum free pay would never work in a free society it only works in a prison happy to explain the economics of this on Saturday I was an economics major for awhile Oh please

1:14:18 I was an economics major! An economics major, so what? No offense Gene but... Let me see there's some guy in Switzerland and Miss Mickey heard him on NPR. Shut up with your fucking phone this is annoying man! And there he goes Mr. Tourette's Sorry it is the Tourette's What is that phone When you I thought it would be, you know You get Time Warner Cable and oh yeah. I'll take the phone from you And they immediately sell your name and number to everybody in the universe time warner cable or a holes Okay So this is an article from November 12 2013 Switzerland's proposal to pay people for being alive and The guy who? Is proposing this is a guy named Schmidt what's his uh What's his first name?

1:15:15 And by the way, that's very interesting. This kind of bigoted wording paying people to be alive That's not that's in New York Times. That's a New York Times headline. That's terrible It's not the way it should be presented. Yeah Taking responsibility for your own citizenry how is that far away presenting it? It seems to me that it would Was it reverse income tax very interesting Because if you look at all of the programs, all the things that are split out and by the way are being skimmed. You know just skimmed! The EBT cards... Just everything is being skimmed and scammed and people are lying in this stigma And it would probably cost us less

1:16:05 No, there's no doubt about it. But is that not the definition of a socialistic or Marxist system? Or does that not compare? It's different. Because we're kind of already doing it. We're just doing bits and pieces and it has a lot of overhead Yeah the overhead has got to go, that's the problem. Interesting. I'm going to keep my eye on it. How do you have free transportation while you are at it Uh, no I don't think we'd have that. That i think... No, I think we should! No, I think that should go away. You get your money and then you have to pay your own transportation but it wouldn't... Oh let that be free too Why? Now you're talking crazy now you're talking commies Of course not It's free in France

1:16:48 commies my case in point now but it's not really free in France but they don't have a universal to Venice let me get little travel tip my occasional travel tip so you go to Venice and there's these you get around Venice on these You can get a taxi, but most people get on these buses called Vaporettos. And they are just like a little ferry boat that holds about maybe 100 people I don't know how many it holds but its big and goes from bus stop to bus stop there's these bus stops on the water and you can buy a day pass if your tourist or have those tickets Or you could just get on off the thing

1:17:26 And you know, nobody ever... I've never seen anyone check. Well, I suppose once in a million years somebody comes on and checks for tickets but generally speaking, I've never seen it Just get on, get off. Yes John I understand but when you're giving people money to live that is the whole point then you make your choices and let someone else put together the transportation company and then your people can buy a ticket it's either minimum income basic wage or nothing It benefits everybody to have free public transport No it doesn't really doesn't I've lived in countries where so-called free...it's crap

1:18:04 And it's not just because there is not a min-cum country. I can't really say it that way... I need to move to a min-cum country! That has a slightly obscene sound to it. I like it, yeah, I'm kind of into it. Miss Mickey and I are thinking about maybe going to a European country for a month this summer? Maybe Spain or something? Yeah, Spain is great. If you don't mind the riots They have high speed internet. Everywhere in Spain? Well, where you'd be probably unless you're going to be out there... Well we were thinking maybe we could go one of the islands is actually what we were thinking Oh forget it! Forget what? High-speed Internet? Yeah I don't know It would be fun

1:18:56 Something else. Live it up in Barcelona! Maybe, we need to get out we need to go I think Europe is important for us to have boots on the ground this summer To feel what's going on Don't you agree? Yeah, you get a different feel for things I think is a good idea Barcelona is cool Go there Alright...I watched A very long session With the panel that made the 46-47 recommendations to the president. Is this the one that was the surveillance panel?

1:19:33 I don't think it was called the surveillance panel, no. Because i've watched a long panel too and it had all these same... The same.. It had did it have Richard Clark? Yes! Clark, Sunstein yes that's the panel I saw Morell so it was very long and most of it was about section 215 right and sunstein is the worst well I have some interesting clips that I pulled from this and I think I found something pretty big which was given away almost near the end of the two hours which I was happy because yeah, you know because i watched the whole thing and I'd like to remind everybody that we're all taught everyone's like oh it's ever since grand green well and Snowden and everyone's section 215 room metadata if you go to section 215.org You will see that this is a no agenda show website created May 28th 2011

1:20:30 So just I'd like to point out that your little no agenda show is all over this stuff from day one. So we so you know, we're on the ball and now all of a sudden for the past what? Ooh six months! The world knows about it?! Mike Morrell who's the outgoing number two in command at the CIA These guys... Yes. I want to mention, he had like the most mixed messages. Yes he did He came on and said well this is terrible these NSA guys are horrible people

1:21:09 and then he went on and said you know they're pretty good guys. And it was back-and-forth, it was like watching a tennis match with one guy playing himself. I found it very disturbing, almost like he had some electrodes hooked to him that had to change his story. Now Morrell is clearly MKUltra He also wrote an op ed And this was referred to several times throughout the session where he said had we had section 215 metadata storing then 9-11 would not have happened and you know I was like and everyone else on the panel was like yeah even Richard Clark But what's interesting is that these so-called recommendations which we have read for you. We've marked them up for you We've discussed them on the show. We told you if it does anything it makes it easier This is no slapdown of the NSA this is no, no penalty This is making it easier and this was confirmed general Alexander testified to us then in o9 The NSA this is very funny by the way Feinstein gets really

1:22:11 miffed here at the lady who was running a running the show i did in fact go to the fights of court and found that it took nine days not average ought to be able to collect information that was necessary are you aware of that well they've got st according to testimony by general alexander we also know my time is up is that what you're saying to me She looks at him like, my time is up? Is that what you're saying to me really really is that what you're saying to me My time is up. I saw this was disgusting let me finish course yeah, I really appreciate thank you Oh Thank You she's so insincere He can be very strict oh This is little tit-for-tat um II this was used after the fact in The Boston bombing but here's the difference

1:23:10 The Boston, they used emergency powers. Now listen to the point she's trying to make. She's trying to make the point that it took Alexander... Kaiser-Alexander says it took nine days to get approval from the FISA courts uh.. to get into the metadata That's too long and then she saying well but they use emergency for something after happened at Boston and then Morel is going to say something fascinating And they were able to get information quickly This is used to prevent an attack. So those of us that see it important to prevent another attack, I don't need to tell you terrorism is up groups have metastasized... Hold on! John did you know that terrorism is up?

1:23:53 Groups of no, I didn't know that metastasized. It's a cancer. I tell you become brain cancer We know they'll come after us if they can oh well hold on a second write that down we know they will come after Us the boogeyman is out to get you Feinstein says so there's a real litany here effect So the question comes do you not find? value substantial value in being able to prevent this attack and So I find substantial value in any tool that helps us prevent attacks. I believe that 215 carries the potential to prevent attacks and that's why, I think it needs to continue but one of the important issues is the question of efficacy for us did not really impact our view on the change in approach to the program

1:24:51 We do not believe that we're going to add a substantial burden to the government by making the changes we are suggesting. In fact, if something can't be done quicker than nine days then they need to make some changes to make that happen We also wrote into our report an emergency provision so that in an emergency situation, when the intelligence community knows they need to move quickly they'll be able to query the data without a court order going to the court after the fact. Alright this is exactly what we read in the documentation So essentially they made it easier!

1:25:29 It's easier. So hey, you know the court after afterwards go just go get the warrant later Don't worry about it shoot that guy and then go say I guess your mission Cass Sunstein, I got a clip for him. A Cass Sunstein professor married to Powers the current new ambassador to the United Nations who thank God for all of the evil he is at least is losing his hair and at least his looks are going because I hope this guy suffers somehow from being such an incredible shill and really just no good guy I've read his white papers where he says you should infiltrate online forums and chat rooms and podcasts, and basically commit co-intel pro. You're a evil man Sunstein! But as i was listening to him... And by the way he messes this up in this uh.. He says something that um who catches it? I'm not can't remember who catches what he says but his speech

1:26:31 He's really weird. It's like he's groaning the whole time, did you catch this? No. Listen to it Are you aware has the NSA ever done surveillance on members of Congress or other elected Americans? What? That's Mike Lee Yes, Mike Lee but Sunstein is going to answer that question with his neh-neh officials We are not aware of any such and one of the things we learned in our review is that there's no targeting by the NSA of people because their political views or religious convictions, or their political party. So in terms of concretely some details... You hear his voice... We may not have...

1:27:23 I'm not doing that by the way. It's like he has some kind of Tourette's Some details we May not have What is that John? Is that him? That sounds like you're doing no, that's him it's coming out of his throat Okay now just play a part of and don't say anything in terms of concretely some details we may not have... What? That's him?! Now you be quiet, because it doesn't stop. It keeps going! May not have precise questions that every one of which we have off the top of mind answers to but politics religion political views that's not what they're interested in I think whenever he is lying is when that happens

1:28:16 That is weird because I watched him testify and I did not, but I didn't clip it. Yeah Because I was still watching it eventually pull some clips myself probably for the next show But this is an example of we did you hear this when you were seeing him or only when you were after the clip? Only at when I saw...I saw this piece of testimony I rewound it because on cspan.gov com org net org foo And then I hit the recorder and then I played it, and I turned up the volume because you know the kitchen is right next door to my little studio here. To go get something to drink...and that's when i heard it! And I wasn't watching the video like holy crap but I'm also sensitive to ticks and stuff like that because you know I have Tourette so...I was like... It must be cause he's lying! That is very weird isn't?

1:29:07 Yeah, because I watched him. I didn't hear that but now that now i'm hearing it says creepy out now when I see him again I'll notice it right did you notice that for one thing he This is good because he bypassed the Mike Lee's question well He actually likely actually comes back and nails them on what he says Okay, well I do have a he did pull an interesting trick here. Which is kind of funny but go on let me There's about a minute here. I'm rewinding the bit so we can hear some of that and then listen to Lee catching him in what he said may not have precise questions which we have off top of mind answers too but

1:29:47 Politics, religion political views that's not what they're interested in. Now notice he says politics religion political views that that's not what the NSA is interested in oh really I thought from the kitchen where I'm getting my drink Oh really please somebody do something just one small thing and this is that little Weasley lawyer boy on the right And he of course is thinking like a lawyer, he's like oh hold on a second just so you know we're only talking about this administration not about the church committee and of course the CIA when they were basically really spying on everybody all the time. We're talking in recent years, we're not talking back in the 60s and 70s when there was a different history. What is he jumping it for? Because he's a lawyer and the question was if you recall did you spy on Congress

1:30:29 And of course it was happening in the 60s and 70s. And oh yes, I'm sorry it stopped after that because we had the Church Commission and yeah... We figured it all out no one went to jail nothing happened but we stopped all that so just so you know we know what happened then but it's not happening now. Intelligence agencies doing things they got exposed? No, no I mean in current years although I do want to clarify Professor Sunstein one thing you said about religious views I assume you would agree that a commitment to jihad would not qualify as a religious view and indeed, would be a political position an embrace of violence that merits very close scrutiny to prevent that violence from being carried out. Yes if... This is very interesting what happened here And i think this will at some point in the future maybe 10 years from now this will be discussed

1:31:31 Because what Sunstein clearly said is the NSA is not out to Find out about your political views your religious views and what Lee is saying is hold on a second crazy jihadist which is Radical Islam. It's a religion it's a religious belief He's saying well that doesn't count Oh, okay. I'm sorry only the crazy religious belief like is radical Islam doesn't count every other crazy one is okay? This is very critical what's happening here and no one's pointing this out. There's a reason to believe the person is threatening to the United States that would not fall within protected religious belief Oh, okay So you freedom of religion unless we think you're crazy? Right this would probably fall in it political too That's why I think Occupy was targeted Yes but they little interesting gotcha that Sunstein pulled here was

1:32:28 Instead of directly answering the question he said and I just wrote it down. There is no targeting of these political Congress or anybody else, no targeting by the NSA Oh yeah oh yeah No all that is so subtle and that's why the other guy jumped in just to cover their ass once again Right. So the NSA, the guys who have been already busted for tax evasion and other things using NSA data... The question should've been has anybody being targeted using NSA data? Yes exactly By any agency whatsoever that's the question Well so that's the big gotcha I'm going to get too

1:33:09 Now this whole thing was weird because they had votes going on at the same time and it was like a tag team wrestling match. And all of sudden... Right, that's when Feinstein came in late in the game and she didn't hear anything up to there she just came in there to boost the NSA and boost herself And by doing the old sales trick. Don't you, Adam don't you agree that Dianne Feinstein came at the last minute? Adam don't you agree that she can't...don't you agree this and don't you agree that? Well Al Franken did it took it one step higher all of a sudden he was in charge of the meeting

1:33:48 And he essentially says, I'm so happy to see that your recommendations are the same that i have in my transparency bill on the subcommittee that I chair. It was very strange where he's basically promoting, and I think it was smart actually because if anyone is going to... no one picks this stuff up except us but if anyone were to pick up a soundbite or his PR people could reuse it and say he's basically having the NSA panel confirm that Al Franken is a smart guy. Something like that and here's a bit of it

1:34:27 I'm gonna just continue to drill down. Oh, yeah It's funny because he asked a question and then he was going to move on but then someone put a piece of paper Down and then it says uh-uh i'm gonna continue to drill down on this. I think he's a teleprompter reader He may not actually Have a brain is what? I'm thinking that was very weird to see someone prompt him to do something under this first recommendation because it's different from what the administration has been saying and is saying. Your report calls for the government to say how many people have had their information collected, my bill calls for the government to say how many people have had their information collected yet last November representatives from

1:35:08 office of the director of national intelligence and the NSA came before the subcommittee on privacy technology in law which I chair and... See, he's a... this guy is a little... I don't know John. He's irritating me! You're saying i'm so glad you agree with me but no one else agrees with me? I dunno. Testify that it would be quote difficult if not impossible for the government to say how many people have had their information collected under these authorities Now listen through his questions Mr. Swire uh... did the administration communicate this concern to you if so why'd you find it on persuasive he knows the answer

1:35:48 Did they communicate this to you? If so, why did you find it unpersuasive?" He knows the answer already. What script is this?! Uh... thank you sir- I don't know but we know that these are scripted because we've already seen when somebody goes off script or doesn't read the script. Yeah. I'm gonna move forward a little bit in this thing too. Franken basically his message is protect Silicon Valley. Senator um- Let me just move forward a little bit. In some detail he administers a small number of customers for people who's being served security problems. Think when it comes to the uh... and people are one person so well you know i'm out of my time in as you can see where another vote so we will recess for five minutes for a vote before the fourth is first this commercial before we do it just want to mister sunscreen uh... reiterate this thing about the

1:36:37 uh... the company's their ability to disclose because it is hurting them and we had a uh... an analytics firm Forrester so the American cloud computing industry stands to lose up two hundred eighty billion dollars by 2016 as a result of increased distrust of their services particularly abroad so Yeah, but you're a bunch of... they give your data to everybody. Screw them! Screw them! I don't give a crap about them. Alright. I don't understand how anybody overseas in particular let alone Americans would use these services? Well they're not this is hello

1:37:28 This is the now, you know this is why Silicon Valley... Go long on Seagate. Drives! All right I have two more. This was not a recommendation consult your advisor. I have two more one is the big payoff which just blew me away and it took me it takes us back decades to what's really going on and it was I think it was a mistake It was not supposed to come out everyone was tired but first we have Senator Sessions And Sessions, this man needs to be voted out of office. You need to vote this guy out. What state is he from John? One of the southern states isn't it Arkansas or Alabama? Yeah Alabama. Ouch insult to book knowledge!

1:38:14 So he is talking with Stone, who is the constitutional law professor from Chicago. I like Stone by the way! I'm changing my stance on him...I think he's a pretty good guy. I didn't know you had a stance on him? I thought the whole panel were a bunch of yahoos and jagoffs but the stone guy.. I don't know I kind of like it now when you hear how the lack of knowledge of something as basic as cloud versus local where data is stored and what that really should mean constitutionally or even technically speaking sessions Jeff Sessions from Alabama douche session when you're comparing this to the metadata you're talking about this is stone out millions of Americans records swept up no spina swept up knows in this somewhere in a computer

1:39:08 No subpoena has ever been allowed to reach that breadth that happens under the metadata program. So I think the analogy is simply a flawed analogy. And looking at every record, uh, uh, that's there they have to have some sort of, uh, in this year that, uh, their sub is valid What is Sessions saying? Who's this? This is Session. He does this a couple times, he goes... And why is he defending them because oh no he's supposed to be querying them No! He's defending it this is why you have to vote him out but listen to his this is like a series of... He was supposed to be questioning not defending them Why doesn't he go sit at the table? He's going to defend it throughout this entire thing he's fighting it and

1:39:55 and but the way he's doing it is like he's going ee-ee-ee-foo-ee-ee sni-snit no subpoena has ever been allowed to reach that breadth that happens under the metadata program so I think that the analogy is simply a flawed analogy. And looking at every record uh, ah, that's there they have to have some sort of uh in this year that uh that sub is valid um valuable for an investigation. I agree! I agree with the distinguished gentleman from Alabama, whatever he said. He didn't even inquire into it... Yes but you were drawing an analogy to the subpoena and what i'm saying is that the subpoena traditionally has to be relatively narrowly drawn to particular information directly relevant to a particular inquiry

1:40:46 And the metadata program does in fact elicit vast amounts of data far beyond anything that any subpoena in the history of the world has been allowed to gather. I love Stone, this is Stone he's saying hey you know this is far beyond anything in the history of the world in the world of subpoenas so he's kind of a good guy now listen to sessions He's going to give us the techno the technological analysis of why stone clearly is full of crap, okay? Let's get this straight so the metadata comes in and it's The only difference is it was in the computers of the phone company but for easier access. It's put in the computer of the government oh Okay, let's get this straight

1:41:35 I hate to do a southern accent there, but this guy is really... So it was just for easier access because you know no one knows ever heard of an API or ODBC connection. We just copied it all over to the government system for easier access clearly that's what could go wrong somewhere and the inquiries only go to those records just like they would have gone to the phone company. The only difference is for convenience and computer access, it was... government can get it quicker because some of these issues are life and death. Okay so here's your senator. Hello Alabama!

1:42:19 Vote this guy out. His reasoning is it's okay to put private individual citizen data on government computer systems to be analyzed because It's life and death we have to get to these records quicker does this guy think it's like on a floppy disk or something? What this guys thinking as the Supreme Court five justices at least of the Supreme Court have explicitly recognized a year ago that There are limits that technology now has called into play about how far this doctrine, that if you disclose information to somebody else that you have no reasonable expectation of privacy in the information. So in the Jones case five justices including Justice Alito, in a very important opinion suggested

1:43:09 basic principle that as you say was around for a long time has to be called into question when you get into a world where technology allows. He's gonna go defend it again John. Excuse me? No he basically says no holding has been so held in other words that's not been proven or I guess there's no Supreme Court statement. No, and indeed nothing we say has anything to do with the Constitution. I don't see any difference really. No difference? You're accessing the same records whether you get them from on the phone company or whether in bulk. Bulk at Costco! Accessible account. Sadly here's Sunstein... Here comes Sunstein... And he is going to give away

1:43:55 What the whole idea is as we predicted on this show. Sunstein, go ahead! If this is helpful I think the direction you're going in is actually quite compatible with our recommendation so our recommendation is not that we eliminate the 215 program but that we have a program where the government doesn't have all of this stuff which the government doesn't in the cases you worked on as a prosecutor or district attorney. It doesn't just have it, it gets access to it on a certain showing and that's exactly the model that we're suggesting and what we suggest is that that model won't compromise any national security goal because in cases where time is of the essence human life is on the line you can get out like that

1:44:36 Because in cases where it isn't on the line, you go through the standard legal process. So the analogy from tradition to which you rightly refer that is actually what we're building on in our recommendation My time is up. I don't care, i was just here to tell you that i know anything about hard drives. Alright these clips are a little long- By the way Sessions full name which should be voted out for having his name no offense to the southern monarchs Jefferson Beauregard Sessions III Beauregard! Jefferson floppy disk Beauregard

1:45:13 Actually, I made a mistake. There was something that I wanted to mention in this hearing that cropped up once and it went like...I'm going to have to go re-listen to this and get a clip of it but one of the senators actually brought up and then they were basically shouted down by everybody What good is all this bullcrap when it didn't stop the Boston bomber? It didn't stop the guy in the Navy Yard guy. Yeah, yeah it did All these things have happened with all these programs in place and they couldn't stop these simple things that you know and the excuses well you know the boston bombers were in he didn't make a call no the boston bombers, that guy followed up with saying look these guys were in contact with the russians aren't we following? And then they brought it one they really got to was I wish I could remember his name wasn't mike lee but it was one of those guy's. I know exactly You know this shooting hospital shooting by doctor hassan or whatever his name was yeah The guy was in constant contact with al locky

1:46:12 communicating with him and nobody did a certain, nobody picked up on this? What good is this program?" Yeah. And I couldn't clip it because... Nobody answered that. No! And the whole question was five minutes and there was no answer in the Boston bombing. Hello do you not hear me hello hello hello I thought he couldn't hear me hello John do you hear me? It hasn't been an hour. Hello hello hello hello. I don't know what's going on so essentially on the Boston bombing Morel said they never called and then the senator who was asking the question, and I think it might have been Cruz actually. It was Cruz! And i gotta tell you I was impressed with Cruz's performance and and I don't know much...I looked up Cruz in The Book of Knowledge

1:47:06 This is no slouch. I mean, if you believe what everyone says... Oh that idiot from Texas! That crazy fuck! Right? I agree with you this guy he was solicitor general and he- I just do not believe he is presentable as a presidential candidate because he's got us weird look about him it well he's well that's racist because of course he's uh he's hispanic So the weird look about him just saying that would be could be deemed racist, okay? I'm so but you know But this is part of the thing so he's born in Canada a Canadia Calgary but then essentially grew up his dad is His dad like these people went through hell to you know working for 50 cents a week You know it's a real tear-jerking story and he went through He became

1:47:55 He went to Princeton, cum laude Harvard Law School. In fact he was so good on the debate team at Princeton they named a debate team prize after him this guy's no slouch! No I agree but he gets it you get some real bad rap and yet that he was asking some very good questions like that but of course he got no answers and he was also just kind of sitting in and then he's like all right time for me to go vote So i have the final blow up clip from Clark but first Grassley And I think this is an important clip because once again, this is Stone the constitutional lawyer from Chicago who essentially blows the lid off the importance of metadata.

1:48:38 So what we know about metadata is you know it you can find out what number called? What number and for how long well do you remember that the beginning of the whole hearing? That's X the CIA guy the second-in-command by morale yeah He essentially said that when he was a first guy they asked anything to or one of them And he says Oh metadata is everything. You can get everything from metadata It's not just some numbers. It's like I can do you got that you everything is connected to it Well, here's Stone really speaking in plain English which I think probably was a mistake. But no one watches this but us so it doesn't matter. Let me read the lead-in. One of the changes that your report recommends concerning the telephony metadata program is that a private third party or parties hold the metadata instead of the NSA

1:49:27 But we've seen many recent instances where companies like Target and Neiman Marcus have been unable to... Guess where Grassley doesn't shop? He doesn't shop at Neiman Marcus because it's Niamin Marcus. ...protect private data, my constituents would be very concerned about privacy issues So any one of you, but hopefully not all of you because I want to ask one more question. What was the group's assessment of the privacy risks associated with your recommendation that the metadata be stirred stored in certain hands and did you speak to the telephone companies to explore whether they are willing or able to hold them at a date. So maybe you're talking about the same bit here because this it wasn't Morel but this is Stone and he's going to tell us just what you can do with this, it's crazy when when he explains it

1:50:13 it? We did speak with the telephone companies about that and they obviously would rather not hold that data. Our judgment about the government holding the data is that the primary danger of the 215 telephony metadata program is not if it is used only in the way which its use is authorized, but that it leaves sitting out there a huge amount of information personal information about Americans that could be abused in awful ways. And the question is how to avoid that potential abuse? And one of the ways we decided it makes sense to avoid that is to take it out of the hands of government. The concern of the Fourth Amendment, the concern of our constitutional history, is that government can do far more harm if it abuses information in its possession than private entities can

1:51:03 And therefore our judgment was that the government should not have possession of this information, because if it does there's always the possibility of someone coming along down the road seeing this as a great opportunity to get political dirt on individuals on their activities, on their organizations, their associations and that that is a danger we want to avoid. On the other hand, we do believe that the data is useful and the idea was to find a way that would enable their government have access to the data but minimize risk that it could be abused in that way. And our judgment was keeping in private hands would still pose privacy risks but the privacy risks will be very different order and they would be much less than the sense of abuse historically were most concerned about with the goverment. What could possibly go wrong?

1:51:49 Put it in private hands. Nothing could go wrong, no abuse could ever take place there that could not happen! Alright here's the kicker this is the one that I don't think you saw because you probably bailed... It was right at the end and i was so close myself This is Clark who had been very quiet Richard Clark who has a big consultancy and he basically a seller of... He's gonna make out whatever the case Blew the lid off this and and all of a sudden. I'm like what section 215 is is Kindergarten ladies and gentlemen metadata kindergarten, this is this is kindergarten section 702 in section 215 And these are both sections about which there's been a lot of public debate discussion But the review group also recommends greater government disclosure about these end other surveillance authorities it possesses

1:52:43 but the report appropriately and understandably does not itself disclose any additional programs. What review, if any did the group make of undisclosed programs or could you at least comment about whether lessons learned from such review is in fact reflected in the report? Okay so let's just understand what the answer is going to be in the next 30 seconds. The question is did you only look at these two programs the 7-12 or 710 was it 7 10 12 to 702 700 the 700 something yeah, and now 7 a section 215 215 did you only look at these two or were there other things that of course? You know you can't you couldn't disclose That you also looked at other information gathering systems and Clark's answer was astounding

1:53:29 I think there's a great deal of metadata collected by the National Security Letter Program, and we do speak to that in the recommendations. There is also a great deal of communications-related information collected under the Executive Order 12333. Public attention is focused on 215 but 215 produces a small percentage of the overall data that's collected Thank you. Okay! Executive order 12333, executive order by Ronald Reagan Executive Order 12333, Section 2.3 Collection of Information Agencies within the intelligence community are authorized to collect retain or disseminate information concerning United States persons in accordance with procedures established by the head of the agency concerned and approved by the Attorney General consistent with authorities provided by Part 1 of this order Hello? Basically there's an executive order stemming from Ronald Reagan's time

1:54:37 that says you can go and collect anything you want as long as the head of the agency approves it. Those procedures shall permit collection, retention and dissemination of the following types of information Information that is publicly available or collected with the consent of the person concerned Oh hello Facebook Twitter Google It's right there. Yeah, and in the terms of service you've given consent? Yes, you're given consent And it may be interesting to note that it is possible that when you gave consent to Facebook You may have been giving blanket consent Oh most definitely Outside of Facebook Information content So when you sign up for Facebook you may have implicitly given I think a judge would say this Implicitly giving away everything all your secrets

1:55:23 according to this executive order as long as it is publicly available or has been collected with the consent of the person concerned. Of course, if you're giving it its being collected with the consent of the person concerned. B. Information constituting foreign intelligence or counterintelligence including such information concerning corporations or other commercial organizations there's your spying Collection within the United States of foreign intelligence not otherwise obtainable shall be undertaken by the FBI. And we know that the FBI walks around the offices of Facebook. C, information obtained in the course of lawful foreign intelligence counterintelligence intelligence narcotics or intelligence terrorism investigation Information needed to protect the safety of any persons or organizations including those who are targets victims or hostages

1:56:18 information needed to protect foreign intelligence. This thing, this is and this is what Clark is referring to...this executive order essentially says you can the... Anything you want as long as the head of the agency and the Attorney General approve it So here's the follow-up question that I didn't see the end of this but you're gonna tell me after I give you the follow up question You're gonna tell me yes that's exactly what they asked And this would be Feinstein She was already she should be at the table and it should be directed to her. So because the 702 and What 215 are just as tip of the iceberg? The real action is in the 12333 that means that all this has been going on since Reagan thus 9-11 Should have been prevented why wasn't it It's funny John

1:57:22 But no one asked that question. Oh, huh! It's the first question that comes to mind. This is... and Richard Clark of course he has based his entire career on this executive order and there are some collection techniques what can and cannot be done And it has the same wording. Agencies are not authorized to use such techniques as electronic surveillance, unconsented physical search, mail surveillance, physical surveillance or monitoring devices unless they are in accordance with procedures established by the head of the agency concerned and approved by the Attorney General! There you go! So essentially they're saying that you can't do it unless the head of the agency says yes and the attorney general says yes

1:58:18 which means two guys, two guys with the key CIA and Holder so you got two guys holding keys to the button Brennan and Holder. And it doesn't say here but essentially those two guys can also kill you with a drone because they're the ones that are doing it yeah and it says everywhere CIA is not allowed to search personal property of non-United States persons inside the United States or of United States person's inside the United States, that's when the FBI takes over. Which makes sense! That's what the FBI is for The FBI does all of that internally and they are subservient... well they're supposed to be subservient to the CIA which kind of explains this six week cycle because these guys have to show the boss all the time Yeah we're doing good boss We got some terrorists here Look at terrorist

1:59:07 Well, we got the cycle coming up on us. Today's the 16th... We're two weeks away. So jumping from that depressing little presentation we have Gates and his book and by the way what happened to him? As you recall he fell down the stairs and fractured his neck Okay Well that is the story So he's there with this weird thing around him. It is not a normal neck brace, it is a huge giant thing and he actually showing up on TV to plug his book. One of those things you put on a dog so that we can't bite himself. Yes, occasionally does try to bite himself and its weird to see. I have two clips where he showed up in the news hour

1:59:58 And I want to just play this clip, first clip which is Poole's verbal stunt. To point out a verbal stunt that we should all be listening for and again i'm watching it on television...I didn't catch it Dan this is really a problem but soon as I pulled the clip and started listening to it just sound only so obvious what he did here This is interesting. ...abroad over the National Security Agency's surveillance practices, especially since the Edward Snowden revelations. Do you think that the NSA in many of its programs and practices has gone too far? The question is whether NSA developed capabilities and applied those capabilities that went beyond the guidelines or the left-and-right curbs if you will

2:00:52 that the president and the Congress expected, and were briefed on. Yeah that's... I think we've probably discussed this trick before it's a very good one you just say ask me a question did you eat the cookies? The question is whether or not i like ice cream Yeah, that's how you do it. That is the hallmark of a professional ladies and gentlemen Now there are couple things about this whole report one was the timing of the answer in response

2:01:29 He was not on a satellite link or this was highly edited which I suspect it was because he would come in way too quick. You know you watch enough of this stuff, you know the timing...I cut a lot of these, I cut a lot of the sound missing, you know that the dead air out of these clips there was no dead air at all it wasn't he actually came in to quick. He was sitting in the studio He was either seated in the studio, which means this was a fraud. Possible Because he could have been seated right across from her because they do have guests sitting... They sit right there He could've done that but no But it was actually so tight even if it was in the studio It was too tight It was almost like it was clipped together and also they went back and forth between him and Judy And his blink rate

2:02:17 They would put the camera on her for 5-10 seconds, she would not blink. They'll put the camera on him for five to ten seconds at least a hundred blinks. Ah! Another giveaway another telltale sign of Many triple and quadruple blinks which would be very much Nixonian hmm And so he was blinking like a madman I noticed this is one good reason to see the video But in any cut back to her no blinks same period of time back to him Blink-blink-blink-blink-blink like a mad man, right? So it's oh He was stooging some way or full of crap or whatever and it ends. Oh here's the part two of the clip where

2:02:54 He goes on about, he slams Snowden which I suppose he had to do and then she asks him an interesting question which he weasels out of. And there was mixed analysis whether it was a pro-Hillary or anti-Hillary book Listen to all the analysis, it was definitely a Hillary hit job on Biden and some other things which we already determined. That's why I think that the White House review and the Congressional review are so important And if the program did go beyond those guidelines, did go beyond those limits To get it back within those limits

2:03:33 And if in fact there were people who knowingly went beyond what the president had approved, that they'd be held accountable. How much damage do you think these revelations have done? And and do you think Snowden is a traitor? By the way I'm just listening to that... That was an edit John so i'm thinking this was produced and cut down.. I could hear very specific audio edit there Alright, that confirms what I was thinking. Right? Okay let me just roll that back just a little bit and then i'll shut up and listen to it you can hear very clearly. ...revelations have done... Hold on, a little further That they be held accountable How much damage do you think these revelations have done And-and do you think Snowden is a traitor or hero? I think that the revelations have done alot of damage They sounds like they have the potential to do alot more

2:04:27 I think he's a traitor. We've spent 40 years building institutions of oversight for intelligence since the mid-1970s in the Congress, in the executive branch and in the judiciary There are multiple avenues for people who believe that the rules are being broken or that the law is being broken to pursue in order to bring those problems to authorities who can evaluate whether the somebody is breaking the law in the intelligence community. Yeah, yeah exactly. Tell that to William Binney and all these other guys who tried to go through channels and they got it ended up ruining their lives! Or as we've pointed out these so-called whistleblower paths at the president only that he had signed into law but were not enacted until nine months after Snowden

2:05:27 the so-called Snowden leaks. It was not available, it was not enacted yet these paths By the way I just wanted to... Just a quick call back to the CIA and FBI collecting all of your information That's the end of the clip? Yeah that's all there was yeah What is the other part? That's all there was bro Bro? No brah Well let me just put the other part out Let me say it so we can finish that section She asks him that she asked her. She says Patrick Moynihan once said that anyone who still That worked for an administration then writes a tell-all book during the administration is a low life How do you respond to that? Oh, and what he says it was mostly I was mostly critical of myself And he goes on and on any make some excuse and then he then he says that

2:06:21 And he named about eight books coming out from all these other guys that have all been in Obama-ites before the end of this thing. This is going to be very interesting to watch What's annoying me is that these people have not even read the book, so I now have a copy and I'm gonna read it One guy ran into who had read the book Well he just thought I mean, it can't summarize for him. I haven't read the book either but I was listening to Face The Nation or what's the show with Chip on it? Yeah Talk To The Press Whatever It's Called and one guy out of the whole group they're all pontificating about one thing or another and One guy had read the book some guy from Bloomberg And he says you know You kind of right you're kind of wrong about some of this stuff and what was the point of talking about if you haven't Read the damn Book

2:07:14 Anyway, go on. Well there's a couple things first I just wanted to just because i had it written down about the CIA and the FBI collect the under executive order collecting all of your publicly available information If you've ever wondered why Google continuously, and I think I'm pretty sure Facebook does this and Yahoo probably does it as well. They're always saying yeah why don't you give us your cell phone number so we can like have double verification? And text you if you ever lose your login These people are connecting your phone record to their database. Yeah, and you've voluntarily given it up. You're voluntarily giving it up exactly. Something else happened... Well Your Honor if he hadn't voluntarily given it up we wouldn't have used it! Something else happened which is interesting is Daniel Ellsberg from the Pentagon Papers

2:08:09 made a big deal and went on all the shows and New York Times article about them welcoming Edward Snowden to the board of directors of The Freedom Of The Press Foundation. Now I want to just remind everybody what the Freedom Of The Press foundation is this is co-founded by Laura Poitras, Gran Greenwald Daniel Ellsberg and what's the actor? John Cusack Barlow's in there somewhere. And I want to remind you that this is funded 100% by Mother Jones, all right? They say it on their website that they are... they only live by the good graces of and it's actually not doing business as Mother Jones hold on a second what does the

2:09:06 What is the name of the organization? Press Freedom Foundation. It says it right there on their website, which is just hilarious! Down at the bottom... The freedom of press foundation is made possible by the fiscal sponsorship of the Foundation for National Progress doing business as Mother Jones okay so mother jones is not you know they get a lot of money nine million dollars a year You know, this is not necessarily a neutral organization in my book. That just needs to be pointed out and what this is all good for I don't know. I don't understand it. Do you have any thoughts on this John? No none at all! I think we'd beat it to death already that there's something up with those guys and we don't know what it is necessarily except somebody making money at the end of the day

2:10:04 Well, they're probably gonna do some kind of I guess we'll be turning our icons dark pretty soon Are they gonna have a they're gonna have a meeting with Snowden? They gotta go all the rush. It sounds like they're going to do a boondoggle and also Russian Yeah, yeah something like that hey fun. Hey mother Jones give us some money We gotta go to Russia get up a party. I mean a meeting yeah Mother Jones I have Obviously I'm gonna have to do something about this Windows 8 thing because it keeps sending me messages. I found a new buzzword or something that I think the Republicans are going to try to tie to Hillary. Okay? I've never heard this before, okay It came right out of Rance Pribis' mouth He was on The Chip Show, Jim Gregory Yeah which is... Face the Nation, meet the press Sure! Meet the press, face the press Talk to the press

2:11:06 Now, he's going to talk a little bit about the book. The Gates book is going to talk a little bit about Hillary and after this clip is over I want you to tell me because it's pretty obvious what the new approach is gonna be especially the one single buzz term which she can't resist revealing Hillary Clinton, the Secretary of State told the president that her opposition to the 2007 surge in Iraq had been political because she was facing him in the Iowa primary. The President conceded vaguely that opposition to the Iraq surge had been political To hear the two of them making these admissions and in front of me was as surprising as it was dismaying Certainly progressive liberal Democrats may have an issue with her taking a position as reported by Robert Gates How do you view?

2:11:53 I think she's a political person and i think what this country is starving for are real authentic people that want to serve this country with their pure heart. And when they read these things about Hillary Clinton, when they examine her life they question it and I think that this is something that is going to be potentially on the ballot coming 2016 and surrounds Hillary Clinton wherever she goes Is she real? Is she authentic? Is she genuine? Does she wanna serve this country with her pure heart I think she's political and i think that Robert Gates book shows that once again. Wow! Is she real? Is she pure? Pure heart. Pure heart, yeah he said it twice He said it twice I think this is gonna be the way they're going to go after her as a phony and insincere phony who doesn't have a pure heart It's just like okay well let's see how this one works out for you guys Well I like the meme that flows on kind of on the back about her enemy hit list Yeah Right

2:12:57 Hillary... Do you have the hit list? Because I noticed that but didn't get around to pulling the article. Yeah, Hillary Clinton's 2008 presidential campaign kept a detailed list of party colleagues who staffers believe had betrayed her during the long and bitter primary battle with President Obama A new book reveals The list included rankings With those who were considered the most egregious traitors by Clinton loyalists This is very Nixonian Totally Then Senator John Kerry, who would ultimately succeed Clinton as Secretary of State in the Obama administration was among those who received the blackest of black marks. Yeah! I can just see a little scribble... That big-headed shit? Let's see... Who else...? Edward Kennedy... Well, of course he's dead Oh yeah, he turned on... He should be at the top of this list, he really turned on her Jay Rockefeller Bob Casey Patrick Leahy

2:13:56 As well as Chris Van Hollen, Democrat from Maryland. Rob Andrews, Barron Hill and this book HRC is scheduled to be published February 11th so that's another one of those books but you know you just see the reporting what is this other reporters from? Oh this is The Blaze which of course it totally right wing Hillary Clinton has secret hit list! So yeah we know there is a Clinton body count So this is nothing new. You probably don't want to be on any list that Hillary Clinton has on her person? No, I don't think so. What? I do not think you want to be on the list! No no...you can die with two- Unless your on a Friends of Hillary List, that would be good Two shots to the head with a gun in your left hand This is not a good list to be on This is very very bad. I'm gonna show my support by donating to KnowAgenda Imagine all the people who could deal with us Oh yeah, that'd be fab

2:14:57 I'd just like to start off John real quick with a quick thank you to Joe from HealthySurprise.com, we got another box did you get another box? No i didn't get a box for a while uh Adam thanks the last box i got was not good well we got something called kale nola in the new box kale nola I think i got K.L. Nolan in the old box which was weeks ago well Joe you gotta send me an email because you're still sending it to our old address, I gotta give... Oh! You just got the old box that's what happened thanks for continuing to deconstruct the news your value-for-value model really is the only way to provide unbiased coverage well at least the biases you bring are funny and are aligned with the citizens as opposed to this security state

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2:23:57 I'm an 1111 monthly donor have been for three years just donated a hundred dollars this was uh earlier in the week or Sunday due to John's newsletter the window lickers at PayPal didn't accept the note i wrote could you please call it uh Ewan, Ewan and Stacy as sponging donor douchebags. Marky boy from The Devil's Toilet Florida. Don't want to miss those douchebag call outs? No no I wanted to always want to try and get the call and then there was somebody I guess i forgot to write this down. Somebody pulled it made a joke on us with a name uh you know that it was like my cock is up Mike, Mike Ackazard. See more butts! Yeah Mike Ackazard yeah thanks yeah we're so busy like... I don't know how you managed to do that on PayPal but okay

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2:28:11 Let's see, what else did I... there was some other things that were going on. Oh yes! Russia. Ah, Russia. Russia, Russia, Russia. Now Brian our gay crusader who I have to say thank him for his courage because he is going He's gonna get himself in trouble. Yes, he's gonna get himself in trouble he realizes it but he is so mad about the continuous propagation of these lies about the particularly if you compare to how LGBTQI people are treated in other countries including these United States

2:28:49 and he's mad that his communities are being used for political reasons, and the people are all on board with it. So there's a couple of things that have happened in just this past week regarding the so-called gay laws! Gay hate in Russia! And the Netherlands is at the top of list right now as I think I told you the king the Queen along with the Prime Minister are all going to the Olympic Games and that Dutch are outraged. And the Russians they came right back and said, oh really Holland? Really what they probably said quietly is if you don't shut up we're gonna turn off your gas but they said Oh really Holland We have this little report This little report about human rights in the European Union I've put that I've taken the liberty of

2:29:46 putting a marked up copy of this report in the show notes, which you'll find at 583.noagendanotes.com Report on the human rights situation in the European Union A very interesting document They've taken it from publicly available sources This is the Russians retaliating saying the European Union continues to position itself as the main outposts and struggle for human rights in the world but its own legal activity in this area does not correspond to these claims In the European Union, space still remained for some unresolved issues concerning the implementation of the EU Charter on Fundamental Rights. This is a legal thing which I thought was interesting... The inclusion of the charter in the Lisbon Treaty has not changed its limited application. The charter applies only to the activities of the EU institutions and its member states in case they implement US legislation, which they haven't.

2:30:38 So Russia's basically saying, you know, you guys are a bunch of hypocrites. Shut up! And the Netherlands in particular was called out and every single... they have a little blurb on every country I only highlighted the Netherlands because the Russians basically made a big deal out of it Among the areas of concern in terms for respect for human rights in the Kingdom of the Netherlands attention is still drawn to the situation with illegal immigrants and asylum seekers You have to note the asylum seekers are all thrown into these little cabins which look like jails and people are committing suicide in them, and they're catching on fire. And 24 people are dying just because of... They're stuck in this little wooden box

2:31:21 And then they go into the Netherlands being pretty much open house for pedophiles and child pornography. They have, you know, open source information to back up their claims. So well worth reading if you check out the show notes! Here's the things that are interesting... Heineken is once again going to sponsor the Holland House at the Olympic Games in Sochi And they're getting a free pass for some reason. Heineken said, oh you know we talked to the COC which is the big gay organization in Holland and we were informed and we think we can still sponsor the Olympic Games in the Holland House. Of course not a single publication in The Netherlands is calling them to task because I don't know they're a huge advertiser here in The United States

2:32:19 We, of course continue to propagate the lie that there is some knew that some anti-gay regulation, kill all the gays you can't be gay you can talk it you can even think gay. You can even want to blowjob from a woman looks like a guy if your going to Russia and what we have done is we have the president as your call has put together team and what was this team John? This was known gays and lesbians to go to the Olympics to make a stand Was this your impression of what happened there? Yeah that's what I thought And on this was the Billie Jean King

2:32:55 a known lesbian and she's there to make a stand. And she was talking about this on one of the morning shows, and wouldn't you know it turns out maybe not so. As one of five members of the US presidential delegation Billy Jean King good morning Good morning great to be here This delegation includes three openly gay members Which is funny actually because Janet Napolitano is also in the delegation and she's not counted as one of the three Good catch. I don't know. But, uh... Probably not straight up sure they're all gay now that you mention it. Yeah, as a Nepalitan- As one of five members of the US presidential delegation Billy Jean King good morning Good morning! It's great to be here This delegation includes three openly gay members and of course A lot of people view it as a gesture to the Russian government which recently passed strict anti-gay laws Okay stop stop stop this makes me mad Did you hear what he said?

2:33:58 Yeah, they passed a bunch of anti-gay laws. Strict anti gay laws! The word gay is not even in the law And it is about propaganda of alternative lifestyle to minors. That's it! There's no word about gay, lesbian any LGBTQQI at all whatsoever this is a lie As one of five members of the US presidential delegation Billie Jean King good morning Good morning great to be here This delegation includes three openly gay members and of course a lot people view as a gesture to the Russian government which recently passed strict anti-gay laws. Did you... And she's going, mmhmm, mmhmm because she didn't read them You discussed that with the president in any way? No did not Oh wow! Gee wait a minute The President I thought he was pretty much taking credit for sending these people there

2:34:49 No, no. No it didn't talk about- not at all! Didn't even come up in conversation Not for a second Really now Did you discuss that with the president in any way? No did not We have not been told what to say and what not to say which is kind of nice actually So where do you see your role Les I think our first job is to represent our country and our president Yeah by the way Nice trip Free trip Yeah, to Sochi which is a nice part of the... Sochi? Awesome! Right on the Baltic Ocean I believe. This has got to be... These are the trips you want. Private planes, helicopters, limos food all the chicks she can bang And also our job is this is you know The Olympics are really first and foremost about the athletes

2:35:31 And I think, and I don't want anyone to lose sight of that because these athletes have worked so hard. When we spoke with you back in August we asked if athletes should protest and back then you said that's sort of the hard one What do you think now? And I would have to imagine Rule 50 which a lot people don't realize exists at the Olympics plays a big role Yes, I think probably came from When John Carlos and Tommy Smith raised their arms about civil rights, human rights back in 68. I think the rule of poverty is written after that Rule 50. Because it bans all political demonstrations. It bans them from protesting or demonstrating and if they do they can have their medals stripped and then be sent home Alright you know i'm one of those crazy people who goes and looks at Rule 50 Please! Rule 50

2:36:22 advertising, demonstrations and propaganda. The IOC executive board determines the principles and conditions under which any form of advertising or other publicity may be authorized no form of advertising or other publicity shall be allowed in and above the stadium venues another competition areas which are considered as part of the Olympic sites commercial installations and advertising signs shall not be allowed in this state." This is an advertising clause and then one line No kind of demonstration or political religious or racial propaganda is permitted in any Olympic sites venues Or other areas. It's pretty much the same as the Russian law against Propaganda to minors for alternative lifestyle you're not allowed to propagandize any alternative lifestyle did the same

2:37:12 And that's all, and the rest is all about advertising. What the logo can be? Where it can be displayed? How big it can go? No greater than 60 centimeters from you know 6 centimeters to 60 centimeters from the Olympic logo headgear cannot... It's all about advertising in this one little line your rule 50 is exactly the same as the Russian law no propaganda permitted for religious political or racial propaganda or any kind of demonstration And the president didn't even ask her to do anything in the first place. So you think this was a bunch of bull? Now let me just tell you what's happening in the United States, I'll just give you four headlines Arrest made and beating by man mob of 20 outside gay bar in Cleveland Man's nose broken at Capitol Hill gay bashing Gay man allegedly attacked by Cleveland mob in hate crime

2:38:05 You see the problem here, and if I could get a million of these for the Netherlands where the Moroccan immigrants have turned Amsterdam, the most gay-friendly city in the world to my knowledge into a place where people especially gay and lesbian couples don't even want to hold hands on the street anymore for fear of being beaten up. And this is a misdirected anger particularly from the LGBTQQI community who are so mad but they are directing their anger towards Russia improperly and not dealing with the stuff that is happening right next door. No, no you're having your anger directed Yeah I'm sorry you're right they are being direct but it's misdirected anger

2:38:48 Right, I agree. And look at what's happening in your own home and all this protest is because they're angry about what's happening to them personally and it's being directed towards Russia for completely real political reasons and i have to tell you I'm so tired of this Cold War! I grew up during the Cold War...I'm tired of it It's no fun And it's too bad it's kind of working again. How stupid are we? I'll never forget going to Moscow in 1988 or 89

2:39:29 before the wall came down for the Moscow Music Peace Festival and I was told about the KGB and And every hooker was KGB, and they'll be tapping my phone. It's all a police state and everything is horrible! I remember looking out of the 35 camera truck with a direct satellite phone connection to Long Island. I could pick up the phone had a Long Island dial tone and saw this little gray bus, Lada Bus which was the KGB thing with little curtains and I thought holy crap we thought these guys had some technology they got nothing. And it turns out... No they had nothing it's really funny because I was there on the same time and I was staying at The Mirror uh which is spelled M N backwards R and it was a diplomats hotel before they commercialize for the public

2:40:21 Even though it was still before the fall of communism. So there were all these maids, you know some woman at each floor you had to say hello too and all the rest but they had microphones planted in there and their clearly microphones but they were planted there god knows when and they have been painted over from like layers and you could chip the paint off and find that microphone but it was just like they don't care. It's just the whole thing was so shoddy, it had to feel bad I've said this before Ronald Reagan when he got elected made a big deal about the evil empire The evil empire! And he went on and on about it until he went to Russia

2:41:05 Yeah, right. Exactly! He went to Russia and never used that term again and he's the one who worked with Gorbachev to get things together. Bring the wall down there... He apparently went there and saw what was going on it was horrible yeah but this propaganda so we have this Dave Satter and he's been all over the news that this guy must be a CIA operative or something oh I got kicked out of Russia I'm a journalist I've been kicked out of Russia Well, we really and actually props to Brian. I'm not giving his last name because if he wants to use his last name on the report and everything that's up to him i don't want to be outing him the whole time so to speak uh... He did the research on this Dave Satter first of all the guy was working for Radio Free Europe radio liberty hello you know yeah and essentially he didn't get his visa in time

2:42:01 It expired November 20, uh before the 21st and the Russian authorities even said hey man you got to get your visa together. And he didn't and then he re-entered it they said get out! You know I know he's making a big deal oh they're kicking the journalists out shut up people shut up And then the Nobel laureates pen an open letter to Putin. Actor Ian McKellen and 27 Nobel laureates have written an open letter urging Russia's president to repeal an anti-gay law, which is not true ABC News! It's not an anti gay law... ...and expressing their solidarity with critics of the legislation. It tires me and ugh

2:42:52 You know, we do this sort of thing. We've been doing it forever and it's funny to see the old-fashioned versions of it here and there and you don't get to hear too much of it but the Iranians have done a deal with them and they come out until their people essentially blatant lies about how it came down but isn't really not that much different than what we do only is kind of funnier Because we think that you know, this isn't going on everywhere. But play my Iranian blowhard Clip and see as some other people doing this sort of lying today president Hassan Rouhani claimed his government won a victory with the landmark nuclear agreement Under the deal Iran is to scale back its nuclear enrichment in exchange for economic sanctions relief over the next six months Rouhani told supporters in the city of Ahwaz that the US and others cave to Iran's demands

2:43:50 The Geneva Agreement will be put into action within the next few days. Do you know what the Geneva Agreement means? It means the surrender of great international powers before the great nation of Iran. The Geneva Agreement means the breaking up the barrier sanctions that have been imposed wrongfully on this dear and peace-loving nation of Iran Iranian hardliners have criticized a deal arguing it infringes on Tehrans right to nuclear enrichment This is the thing Israel is so incredibly angry about They feel that they've been sold down the river, and I believe this part of this is why The minister of is it? Defense defense millin minister. What's his name hold on I have a duty His name is y'all own where he said John Kerry's Messianic things get this guy out of here yeah right He was the he's the anti-carry

2:44:44 Blowhard another blow. He's like why don't you give him once you give him a Nobel Peace Prize? So we can just that's all I get them out of here Messianic There he says, he doesn't know what he's doing yeah well. He doesn't well That's probably true but who does yeah Well and and I totally am on board that We were discounting this guy You got to think John Kerry wants to make a run as well for 2016 we haven't really looked at him carefully Well, it's a good point. We haven't considered him as a possible candidate because he is the kind of guy that his ego almost warrants it you know? So there was all kinds of things showing up in the Federal Register about Iran let see January 15th this notice to inform the public that the President of United States determined on November 29 2013

2:45:40 The NDAA, consistent with prior determination there's sufficient supply of petroleum and petroleum products from countries other than Iran to permit a significant reduction in the volume of petroleum and petroleum products purchased from Iran. But then right below it we have a determination from the Secretary of State that says As amended by the Iran Threat Reduction and Syria Human Rights Act, as of November 29th each of the following importers of oil from Iran has qualified for the 180-day exception. And I believe this is what Rouhani is celebrating

2:46:19 So for 180 days the following countries have an exception to purchase oil from Iran India, Malaysia The People's Republic of China The Republic of Korea That would be South Korea Singapore, South Africa Sri Lanka Taiwan and Turkey I guess that is kind of the win there. I guess And then there is a Iran-Russia deal that seems to be concerning Very small 1.5 billion dollars but it's... I don't know man I don't think it's...I think that things are fine. Although, you know the guy has to do the blowhard thing and it doesn't surprise me because when Kennedy forced them to pull the missiles out of Cuba, I was a kid then and I remember all this And we took all this credit for making them cruise shove back down Yeah In fact there was a quid pro quo They told us yeah we'll take the missile up but you gotta get those missiles out of Poland

2:47:20 Exactly. And so we pulled a bunch of missiles out and then we pulled the same stunt that this guy did which is take credit for the whole thing those Russians are you know they back down, they... We backed them down! This is nonsense we don't need. There's a funny little thing in Israel. Israel's Ministerial Committee for Legislation approved a bill on Sunday that would forbid the use of the word Nazi in any form as well as words with similar sounds for any reason Use of the word Nazi would be allowed only for educational purposes, documentation, historical or scientific research. Offenders face up to six months in prison and a fine of 100 000 shekels about 28 000 dollars if you use the word. The draft law also outlaws insulting someone by wishing or expressing hope that the Nazis' goals should be fulfilled as well as lamenting the fact that the Nazis failed to achieve their goals

2:48:17 You gotta write this down, man. We got to be very careful you can't call anyone a Nazi anymore However the bill does not prohibit calling actual Nazis Nazis Well there's your out This is what you know people I mean seriously What are you regulating here? History yeah free speech. I have one last clip because it caught me off guard The Chinese have relaxed the one-child rule and they've started to relax it some time ago by allowing only children to have two children. But then now, this is pretty much wide open and I was thinking because the Chinese love children so much

2:49:06 that they would go and just start having a bunch of kids, and it may not be true. In fact the situation because I think Chinese culture has actually changed just enough with all this capitalism that they've inserted The Chinese don't want to have more kids and this report kind of outlines some of it. Food safety standards in China are terrible In the supermarket I always go to the imported food section When my child was very young we used order milk powder, even nappies from Japan over the internet At that time a can of milk powder was more than 30 euros

2:49:48 China's birth rate is now below 1.5 children per woman, that's one of the lowest in the world Many experts like Zuo Xuejing say the one-child policy is now irrelevant Over the long term, the birth rate in China will be very low. Other Chinese communities like in Taiwan, Hong Kong and Macau have the lowest birth rates in the world And over there, they don't even have any birth control policies. The percentage of senior citizens in China will keep increasing in the future which will impact the sustainable economic development of our country so there will be big problems."

2:50:34 This aging demographic and a limited pension system have direct consequences on China's birth rates. Many young couples must sacrifice the money needed for a second child to financially help their elderly parents And you know what this all happens? Well 2030, 2030 baby! And what are we calling it? The Chinese disaster of 2030. I don't know what we're going to call it. The Chinese population disaster of 2030? Yeah, that would be good. Yeah, I think that's a good one. 2030! Uh...I have a different clip to play us out with and uh..we have not done Turkey but this is actually good because um.... I have a couple more things to stu- you know some real crazy crap is goin' down in Turkey as this uh...the Gulenist versus the

2:51:26 essentially versus Erdogan, now the Gulenist police force raided the Humanitarian Relief Foundation which is a Turkish non-governmental organization known as the IHH. These are the same guys who sent the flotilla to Gaza Right. And the Gulenists were against that to start with, so now it's you know the power play is getting pretty obvious but there's a couple more things that I'm looking into this is very very complicated because as a Westerner you know the culture of the understanding the Sunnis, the Shiites, the post of the Caliph, the caliphate all these...it's..I am becoming a student of this and I'm.... It's very very hard

2:52:12 to get a real grasp on all of it. And I still think it's got to be kind of our standard operating procedure, you know? It's like we need to have some form of control over this very important geographic area Because of the pipelines and the train tracks that will be going through it, and so we just create a storm internally And then you know then our guy stands up. I guess I think I did Yeah, that's way out of the way it works that or we just leave rubble yeah But it's too important. I don't think turkey can't be left in rubble now. Don't think is gonna Be left in Rubble however I do have a Nigel Farage clip from the European Union, and I don't even have to ask you I know you love listening to Nigel

2:53:00 Nigel. Making plans for Nigel and he, this is his welcome to the you know the presidency of the European Union changes and just add insult injury Greece is now maintains the presidency of the European Union and Nigel Farage is the kind of guy who welcomes everybody in with open arms Well I must congratulate you Mr Samaras for getting the Greek Presidency off such a cracking start your overnight successful negotiation in the trialogue on Mifid I'm sure will have them dancing in the streets of Athens. No matter that your country, very poorly advised by Goldman Sachs joined a currency that it was never suited to no matter the 30% are unemployed but 60 percent of youth are unemployed than a neo-nazi party is on the march but there was a terrorist attack on the German embassy don't worry about all that because the trialogue on Mifid has been a success

2:53:58 And in many ways it sums up the two Europe's. The Europe that is talked about in here by the dreamers who want to impose a new United States of Europe with an identity and currency, and the real world out there. You come her Mr Samaras and you tell us that you represent the sovereign will of the Greek people well I'm sorry but your not in charge of Greece and I suggest you rename and rebrand your party. It's called New Democracy, I suggest you call it No Democracy because Greece is now under foreign control! You can't make any decisions, you've been bailed out and you've surrendered democracy the thing your country invented in the first place and you can't admit

2:54:42 that joining the Euro was a mistake, because of course Mr Papandreou did that didn't he? He even said there should be a referendum in Greece and within 48 hours the unholy trinity that now run this European Union had him removed and replaced by an ex-Goldman Sachs employee puppet. We are run now by big business, big banks and in the shape of Mr Barroso, big bureaucrats. And actually that's what these European elections are really going to be all about It is going to be a battle of national democracy versus EU state bureaucracy Whatever you may say in this chamber, the people out there don't want a United States of Europe. They want a Europe of sovereign states trading and working together and I believe the European elections are going to mark a watershed

2:55:32 Up until now, everybody has thought much as they may not like the development of the European Union that it was inevitable. That myth of inevitability will be shattered by the European elections this year Thank you I love it that he brings up the Papandreas was replaced by a Goldman Sachs show within 48 hours Yeah! You forget these things We have to remember one of the precepts of our show is that this all leading to a great civil war Yes Which may start in Turkey. Well, it's gonna start somewhere Yeah That's why we want to go to Europe this summer and enjoy it while at last I think it's probably a good idea by the way You heard something in there which one of our producers caught and turned me on to the big this new big government Big whatever he was saying. I'm seeing this crop up in climate change conversation as well big heat big rain big wind

2:56:28 Yeah, keep your eye out on it. It's this is the new thing big we'll see lots of big heat Big Heat All right yes So I got my turkey stuff for Sunday Got some vaccine stuff with a swine flu which is interesting We have to talk more about car probably Central African Republic There are some good copyright stuff hearings at the unseaspan Which I picked a couple clips out of oh good good and It's very interesting some of the thinking. Yeah, oh I have some uh some good scholastic legislation from New York which will knock your socks off all right well good So we have stuff to look forward to and of course there's always something new that will crop up it's what We do till you don't have to just in time for the reboot eh? It's getting there

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