2:08:59 Now let me ask you a different question. Okay, how come only RT seems to be the only network station that is covering the riots in Turkey? Because the Russians have an inherent interest in Turkey because all of their pipelines and the future trans-eurasian rail line which they're doing with the Chinese will run through turkey I do think... Do you think the russians want this Erdogan out Is there really a push in this, is it rising? I mean it's the top of the news on RT. Well this is a good question and I have two entries in the Turkey heading for The Show Notes
2:09:42 One is that the and this is from I think yes Associated Press. The quote rift with US-based cleric widens, is the title of this and this of course is the Gulen movement run by the guy who's in Pennsylvania placed there by the CIA and the State Department as if there's a difference Fethullah Gulen I have to think that the rubble that is being orchestrated, the rubble as you call it... ...is a CIA move because this guy is essentially causing this scandal. Which I don't think has to do with the riots per se. Tom, I would think the Russians they they don't want this rubble They wanted to be relatively stable. I don't think there on the causing crap sandwich side Do you?
2:10:34 Well, my consideration is the fact that the only people covering it and they're not covering it from a perspective like you mentioned that this character... Petula Guna. Yeah, that guy is behind or the US intelligence's behind here anybody else's behind it they're covering it like Like this guy, like the Erdogan's gotta go. I think it's Erdogan. Yeah, I'm sorry, Erdogan. The Erdogans is a missing name. Ah okay well this makes sense. No it's Erdogan. But I think you pronounced it Erdogan I think it's kind of the G becomes... Well, I'm going to find out while you tell me your thesis. I'm gonna put it in the name pronouncer which I have to use now and again. Okay have the name pronouncer pronounce your last name and then I'll believe the name pronouncer if it says Dvorak and not Dvorak. It will say Dvořák What does it say? For it won't say Dvořák forever again No no hadn't expected that. True
2:11:39 Okay, here we go. I've got pronounced names there's two of these things pronouncednames.com is one of them let me see oh yeah i can't write it because uh this is windows jack Oh you ran it? Yeah Dvorak on your site Jack or Jack yeah that's mispronounced well do Erdogan okay Erdogan Okay, so this thing sucks. Okay that's sucks you got to find the other one but anyway just beside the point somethings amiss that all I have to say okay here is what a miss The economic miracle that was Turkey which expanded 10% annual rate of GDP in 2011-2012 Yeah they were kicking ass to show about it They, the lira, its the lira Turkish Lira has collapsed This thing is collapsing
2:12:32 Now we can't discount the Chinese in all of this. Do we have any China news besides the fact that they're lending money and selling their missiles? I think it's two sides. What riots exactly are they showing? RT? They're showing some nasty riots, like although again if you remember the newsletter from a few weeks ago where they had that great photo showing the guy standing in front of a set of people that look like they're protesting... Remember that one? Yeah I mean, you don't know because of the way they shoot it. But there are some long distance shots that look like it was tens of thousands of people burning a place down making rubble and the way RT handles it... It's like I was beside myself because they're just as new especially now more than ever than the news arm of the Russians According to AP many believe the probe and this is the probe of several members of his cabinet who have had to resign or been fired
2:13:37 The probe was orchestrated by followers of Pennsylvania-based spiritual leader Fetullah Gulen, a moderate preacher whose network of Muslim believers command a global empire of business media and education interests. Well I think that sounds like Stavros Blofeld, sounds like a James Bond guy. It kind of sums it up as far as i'm concerned. Dvorak's ball sack Sorry, I don't know where that came from. Gulen was a government backer until recently but the power feud between Erdogan and Gulen has become increasingly public in recent weeks. Gulen has prayed that quote God bring fire to their houses this is a good article and Erdogan responded with a promise to quote go into their caves and expose them
2:14:30 Neither side has named each other directly, but they have left no doubt as to the target of their words. So this is pretty serious Bring he did the the moderate preacher wants to bring God to bring fire to their houses and that's fighting words Well there was a falling out and you can basically assume that there's some corruption involved on both sides Mm-hmm I mean, I don't buy this Gulen's guys story at all Let's see what it says in the Wikipedia about him Oh Do you have a half an hour? What, by Googling it? He looks like a sad sack. I never realized he's just... he's just a sorry looking guy. Doesn't look that moderate to me. He's running and father nobody wants him Of course! Of course he is not moderate but i don't know about sad sack You read the book of knowledge on this guy And we have
2:15:29 We have a producer Who is feeding me as much as possible about what's going on? That's where I get a lot of this information from and he's on top of this He's really investigating a lot of what's going on even. He is not quite sure but I'll ask him about the Russia connection But the only thing I can see geopolitically Is all of the gas pipes from well, not all but a majority of the gas pipes run through Turkey and and the Chinese are in there with their missiles and they want to have a railroad built which the Russians will also benefit from. So yeah, so here's the thing in the Wikipedia that is interesting views on contemporary issues Gulen has criticized laicism as politics rooted in a philosophy of reductionist materialism blah blah blah who cares? He has also argued that Islam and democracy are compatible and he encourages greater democracy within Turkey That's us
2:16:28 That's our approach to this. That's what we'd like to see because then we can manipulate it, right? He argues that a secular approach is not anti-religious and allows for freedom of religion which is of course Turks have always been secular at least since Ataturk According to Gulen Democratic Secular Countries 95% of Islamic principles are permissible and practically feasible there's no problem with them and the remaining 5% are not worth fighting for, which I mean is stoning people. So there's something fishy about this guy There's something fishy about the riots or something fishy about RT being the only real heavy duty coverage of the problem
2:17:08 I'm thinking that maybe the Russians are in bed with what's left of the military, which had mostly been rousted by Erdogan. And they're ready to take over the place with a military junta Now you're now...I think you're saying something very important because if i was If I were Russia and I was riding a horse with my shirt off shooting me some tigers I would be very happy with what the Yankee Doodles are doing It's kind of a reverse of what we do. So, we cause this stir with our shill and PA everything starts to fall apart Erdogan is looking bad the Russians like hey let's go in! And you're right maybe they and maybe part of that is the junta you said? Is that... Well there wouldn't be a junta it would just be military takeover yeah could be done in a lot of different ways but the military was hated this ever again to begin with he got rid of most of the main guys who would because Turkey has a history
2:18:06 of being secular by law and every time some creepy Islamist gets in there they would take over the country and kill the guy, and then do another election until they got somebody that liked him. And then the guy would stay in there this last time around because Erdogan was so popular he got to them before they got to him and their now kind of a reduced group They're not as powerful as they once were but it's possible that working with the Russians something might be going on Saturday, an estimated 4,000 people gathered in central Ankara for a protest organized by a quote civil servants union calling on the government to step down over scandal and chanting may the thieves hands be broken. No violence was immediately reported on Friday riot police use water cannons tear gas and plastic bullets to push back hundreds of protesters trying to reach Istanbul's main square
2:19:01 police also broke up a similar demonstration in Ankara, the number of protesters. You know I think there is just you know...I am so happy that Anderson Pooper talks about his mom's conilingus instead of this stuff because honestly i mean this is just so unimportant Yeah, who cares right let's talk about some Why does any why do these people live with themselves? You know the thing is I'm sure they would try to do a story or even try just discuss this So you know the American public doesn't care about what the hell is going on in Turkey get that crap off there We gotta sell some vitamins here