Spy in a Bag

00:02 Hit it. Adam Curry, John C. DeVore. It's Thursday November 14th 2013 time for your Gidmo Nation Media Assassination Episode 565! This is no agenda. Fishing for herring of the Rouge Coeur We are here at the Travis Heights Hideout in FEMA Region 6. Austin Tate House in the morning everybody, I'm Adam Curry. And from Northern Silicon Valley where it's finally gotten a little bit cold Lowe is expected to hit the 60s. Wow, wow John how about a precipitation report? So I thought it'd make people feel better. It's chilly here too I mean all of a sudden we got a cold front is just you know It's like Oh 40s during the day and it froze two days ago nice at night yeah

00:54 It is nice. Not the case out here, in fact this is the first time since... well there was 1890 there was a problem and but 1955 I think that's when we haven't had any rain at all which we usually have a little bit by now you know um I'm thinking I was gonna hold off on this but maybe since you started with uh you know with the historical stuff maybe I should just just hit you with it straight on Because I think, unless you already know about it. I personally am very very upset about this. Can i make a quick guess? Sure! You've become a warmest... No in fact we had dinner with some very famous Austin people who ran several restaurants but they ran Jeffrey's which is a famous Austin staple and they sold it like two years ago but they still own a piece and so

01:52 And these, you know they're like in their late 60s. At a certain point I'm just like... You know we're going towards global cooling don't ya? And it was cool because they were like, you know that doesn't sound too crazy because if you walk eastward long enough eventually your heading west! I'm like wow that's so deep. Makes somewhat sense but no that's not it John. Thom Hartmann What?! Thom Hartmann has stolen your idea And he has usurped you, and I'm upset. I'm upset because he's stolen the idea...I'm upset because we've been talking about your idea for five years and he came out with the cycle book!

02:40 Oh no, his book is missing too much information. Can we listen to a little clip of him with Amy? Oh, bragging about his cycles? His crash book! Here he is with Amy Goodman on Democracy Sometimes The title is the Crash Of 2016 Why 2016? Well, we're actually in this crash It really started in... I just want to hear your commentary because you're pissed. I know you're pissed that his book is out. ...when the housing market started falling apart, just like in 1927 when the housing market fell apart and that crash lasted... You see also when your book comes out John you've got to talk like that too. Well now the housing price... You gotta have that kind of like that snooty kind of talking with your teeth clenched thing Quite some time as Hoover did nothing

03:29 Now we have a situation where it's not just do nothing. Obama was successful in the first few months of his administration putting enough of a band-aid on that they're holding this back with bailing wire and bubble gum But Bush had hoped, he saw this coming. The Bush administration had hoped... This is actually what he says here is something interesting which I don't want to ask you about it sounds kind of like a like it could be possible that they could wait until November 2008 so would be after the election so wouldn't hurt the Republican candidates He was unsuccessful The Obama administration is now because they're not doing the real structural change necessary They're hoping they can push off to 2016 and that's why we chose that date

04:08 There's an enormous amount of effort in our government and the Fed to try to hold this off. Does that make sense, John? Well I mean if you're a cycle guy... And there are plenty of them in the goverment and I believe Bernanke is one of them You would have expected the whole thing to collapse in 2009 anyway So it was pushing itself off uh... the housing deal from two thousand early two thousands i mean that bubble and started to form very earlier on yeah and i think they did caught it i think the whole thing collapse on a car them off guard there what we were specifically he doesn't say this but what's specifically where they doing to kick the can down the road date work nothing do you can cite anything about his name he just make it is not because he hates bush well

04:59 I have to say he's out there, he cites all the previous you know... He cites the 40 years and 80 years without saying they're 40 years but i know the dates by now. I've heard you use them so often but the thing that that is wrong, and I don't think i have this clipped but Amy Goodman says so what can we do to avoid it? And he has all these answers and I'm like no no no. Understanding professor in the Nobel laureate Professor Dvorak the cycle comes just like the sun rises and sets you can't stop it Right. There's no stopping it? No, there are things you can do...there are band-aids like quantitative easing which does push it off but eventually the economy still falls apart

05:49 And yeah, no they think that you can do anything about this. I mean for one thing here's what gets me first you subscribe to the... This is what the problem with this book is if you subscribe to the cycle theory at all You subscribe to the cycle theory right and just as you said it's like the Sun coming up and down Yeah It's nothing you what can we do to prevent the Sun? Just being a native in Africa What are we gonna do to stop the sun don't look close your eyes you know that kind of thing. Well so what is nice though, what I liked to your benefit is that halfway through the interview then Tom Hartman goes completely insane about global warming and you've got it right this money this is so insane what he's about to say here I mean I've heard some crazy things but this one really really takes the cake. And what about the issue of climate change? That you also focus on and just make video about

06:45 how this fits into the coming crash of 2016. By the way, climate change is a part of the coming crash apparently. Oh absolutely! We have a cycle and somehow climate change gets involved. Yes exactly it's a part of it It's another stressor... John, it's just another stressor. It is a very significant stressor and the video that we just did last hour... He is promoting this video which you have to watch! Which is over at lasthours.org. It's over at our last hour you're done because you got to talk about like this is just the video was just dead it's over I tell your last hour dog your last out your last hour and that we point out its time with me the thing that the IPCC is not talking about right now and but

07:34 But the scientists are. People are hysterical about it. Scientists are hysterical about it! They're very concerned about is that there are trillions of tons of methane hydrate, methane frozen up in ice in the Arctic and around continental shelves. Okay now you got to listen this so he's saying there's the science at the IPC is not talking about this because you know I'm sure they don't want to scare anybody But the scientists... That's all they want to do. That's why it makes no sense. The problem is, is they can't... You know, like here's what he won't talk about because I don't know why Wait! You gotta hear him! Don't analyze him yet Well yeah you're gonna play for the audience I've already heard this by the way, this clip

08:12 Okay, I just want to play it because you're not surprising me because i watched this whole thing. Oh, I'm so disappointed well I'm sure the audience missed this fine democracy now interview. I'm sure they all missed it and so there's trillions of cubic tons of methane just waiting to erupt from underneath the polar caps if that melts Then there will be a sudden global warming. A sudden like all of the sudden we're gonna be burning up? When you look at the five past extinctions in planet Earth Oh John, he has now studied the five past extinctions I guess he has a DVD or something He reviewed every single one was triggered by one of these methane releases No what happened? What happened?

08:54 What happened to like the asteroid? I never heard this. Every single one of the five, can you name five previous extinctions? You have to go back millions of years. Now please... So every single one was triggered by these methane releases okay! Now he's just making it up as if now we say like acting like a 12 year old just throwing stuff out there making it up This is where it gets funny That is the worst case scenario were hopeful that How does Arctic drilling fit into that? Because of course the Greenpeace, the Arctic 30, the 28 Greenpeace activists and the two journalists who are now being shipped across Russia jailed. They were protesting Russia engaging in arctic drilling. Yeah yeah oh I'm sorry we forgot to mention the Arctic30 plus 2 journalists who were protesting drilling

09:45 Protesting Russian drilling? Yeah, maybe. But non-American drillings?! And we're also on the edge of doing that same thing and other countries are as well. NASA right now has an experiment called CARVE... John, have you heard of NASA's CARV experiment? Carv. Carv. Carbon Arctic Reservoir Vulnerability Experiment. We have a nice acronym called CARV. And in our video we have Charles Miller, the head researcher. Oh, Charles Miller! Nice! Glenn Miller's brother. What is he trying to win an award for? He's trying to... I'm at a Hummer contest. Is this guy trying to outdo Al Gore and make money on a movie?

10:26 Not only that he believes it John you can just see sitting there. Just like oh He pointed out to us that there's over they're quite sure as I've got Glenn Miller's brother doing this for a trillion tons of nothing in In the Arctic all right now here comes here is the kicker as we end this clip How are these trillions of tonnes of methane? Going to be let free The answer may surprise you on the next Inside Edition. That guy's unbelievable! He should have stuck with the crash 2016. He had me there, but then he took me down this path and... Yeah it's weird these guys are like so they're kind of brain damaged yeah you have that kinda they seem to be on the right track yeah and then they just go off the track into some you know these preconceived or I guess created

11:53 little worlds that just boggle their own, I mean again i've talked about this before. A lot of these people have their brains are short-circuited by contradictory information How can a cycle be stopped? It's a contradictory thought! Yeah it makes them go numb We had dinner what day is today Thursday so we had dinner Tuesday night with the Obama-bot friends of ours, the ones who won't have dinner with Republicans. So now this is the one that you always are interested in." I'm interested in all of them! Yeah but this... I live vicariously through your dinners. Fantastic dinners! Right so Mickey found this new place which was kind of like a big dance hall but it was interesting and then the food was actually quite nice But I discovered something new and I discovered

12:46 that if you go all in on the Obama bot about Hillary it makes them very uncomfortable and nervous. And here's how I did it, okay so never... So of course politics came up and so who do you think uh you know they're gonna run against uh Hillary? And I said-and I thought he was talking about Republicans! I'm like they got nobody there's nobody who can run against uh who can beat Hillary. No he said no no I mean from the Democratic Party. It's the Democratic Party Who can throw Biden in there? He's brained it, no one cares. Just anyone who will just be easy and he got really like no I think we need... I said Hillary is uniquely qualified to run our empire

13:25 This is this. This is what throws them off You've got to throw the Empire word in there, but if you say you cannot argue Hillary Clinton is uniquely Qualified to run our empire and it got well maybe we should bring in one of the Castro brothers What? What a cat near the Castro bro? You know where the Castro brothers are the Castro brothers from Cuba Well you have One of the Castro brothers is, I think he's the mayor of San Antonio. Oh so these are different Castro brothers? Yeah and his brother is also in politics and you watch because this guy is kind of on...I suspect him being a huge donor to the party more involved than he lets on, let's onto me at least. I think that they're probably going to be great to get a Latino Texan

14:20 the ticket with Hillary would be very interesting. That's an interesting ploy! The only problem with this guy apparently is he doesn't speak Spanish, like oh my god... Well he can take some Spanish lessons. He better start learning yeah but I thought that was it okay that's interesting um but that's an aside back to climate change for a minute okay well I have the one climate change clip As I cut it down as much as i could the guy in which they made a big deal They played this guy's entire five minute speech on Democracy now you know because they had we're gonna have thalmarn on yeah, this is the guy in The philippines who has decided to go on a hunger strike until people start to cough up green climate fund mm-hmm

15:11 Might give your start to contribute or do somebody now. I never heard of the Green Climate Fund He's in the Philly he said so he was part of the typhoon Yeah, as a typhoon survivor and he was talking too I guess they brought him to some I couldn't tell but they brought him to some other country and he was Testifying about the typhoon and this is kind of how it went we simply refused to Now mr.. President if you will allow me I wish to speak on a more personal note. Super Typhoon Haiyan, perhaps unknown to many here made landfall in my own family's hometown and the devastation is staggering these last two days

15:59 There are moments when I feel that I should rally behind climate advocates who peacefully confront those historically responsible for the current state of our climate. These selfless people who fight coal, expose themselves to freezing temperatures or block oil pipelines in fact we are seeing increasing frustration and thus more increased civil disobedience The next two weeks, these people and many around the world who serve as our conscience will again remind us of this enormous responsibility. To the youth here who constantly remind us that their future is in peril to the climate heroes who risked their life reputation personal liberties to stop drilling in polar regions into those communities standing up to unsustainable and climate disrupting." This guy ain't just your regular Filipino victim

16:50 if you don't mind. It doesn't seem like it, he's reading this by the way Is this over at COP19 in Warsaw? Is this where he was doing this or is he actually in Philippines This is only weak spot of this particular clip but wherever declared he was going to go on a fast until the green climate fund got some attention Well what's interesting is that this typhoon happened right in the middle of COP 19 Which is the big climate powwow. Yeah, this must be where he is. Let's just finish him off. We stand with them we cannot solve problems at the same level of awareness that created them as Dr Pachari alluded to Einstein earlier I even can pronounce Pachari his name! We cannot solve climate change when you seek to spew more emissions Sir President and I express this with all sincerity

17:47 In solidarity with my countrymen who are struggling to find food back home and with my brother who has not had food for the last three days, with all due respect Mr. President and I mean no disrespect for your kind hospitality, I will now commence a voluntary fasting for the climate This means that I will voluntarily refrain from eating during this COP , and that's a cop Okay, here's what I'm thinking. You know the Asians are so reticent to actually be critical mm-hmm Apparently the food at cop is so bad This is his way that's why he's apologizing so much. I'm so sorry but I just can't eat this crap This food is so bad in the commissary Yeah, this is his way then with all the apologies

18:51 Mr. President, I can't eat this food anymore. I'm going on a fast and that's the way he if it was an American who said hey the food stinks This is no you can't do that in Asia So so this whole thing happened In the Philippines And my mind immediately went when I when I realized this was taking place in the middle of COP 19 in Warsaw My mind immediately went to state-of-fear Michael Crichton's book like okay? This could be interesting and how we were just waiting for it, and of course people are now coming out saying well obviously this is due to climate change there's no two other ways about it. And we've got George Clooney who immediately threw in a meme which he has jacked up from 95% to 99%. Well its just a stupid argument whether or not this particular storm if you have 99% of doctors who tell you that your sick

19:48 and 1% that says, ah you're fine. You probably want to hang out with them... check it up for the 99%. The idea that we ignore it That we're in some way involved in climate change is ridiculous. What's the worst thing that happens? You know, we clean up the earth a little bit and you know and yeah I find this to be the most ridiculous argument ever. Yeah poor George because he really messed up what he was saying there He even said the idea where it have some climate change is ridiculous. He couldn't even get that out right but the metaphor is all wrong because if 99% of my doctors say I'm going to die

20:26 I'm gonna hang on to that 1% guy who says, man look i got this thing over here don't worry about it. I'm gonna be sitting on his doorstep every single day to give me hope So that is what used to be the 95%. And I've heard this literal meme if 95 percent of the doctors said you're sick You're gonna believe 5%? Well, I think the metaphor's wrong because yes, I'm going to believe the five percent Then we have of course the interesting case of... You know there's so many, just to interrupt you. There are so many Nobel Prizes and other, in fact there was one just recently I wish I could remember the details where one guy in a crowd, one lone physicist would say now that I think it's this way this is the way these things work and this situation ah you're full of crap!

21:14 And he just dogs on and next thing you know 25 years later He's proven right gets a standing ovation and the whole thing this is this you know unless There's never a consensus about any of this stuff, and that's what science does what makes science so interesting Science is in the science is never in. That's the thing you have to realize well You don't have to tell me that because you know I? Already All right now so when I find interesting is what is the first thing we do? And I had to go back and look at the map just to understand, it dawned on me immediately. Please if you're listening to this podcast and you have the opportunity... Go to maps.google.com and just look at the Philippines and tell me where it is! Then say hmm maybe that's why we sent our nuclear-powered United States ship George Washington aircraft carrier to go and help out

22:12 Yeah, how convenient that we're now in the sea of China. Japan wasn't close enough! We're a little bit closer... over there where the Chinese have been working on oil deals with Manila and this is not we're not sending an aircraft carrier to help. We're sending an aircraft carrier to guard to make sure that uh no one else weasels in Now here's the conspiracy theory which came out almost immediately and I thought was very interesting Although I'd looked at all the YouTube videos. Have you ever maybe someone sent you a link from this guy Dutch sense? I think is his name on YouTube Maybe and he has all these hmm Charts and graphs from God knows where yeah, I'm sure it did I'm sure it's all really really well researched any shows where the microwave blast caused the Cause the storm and he shows that on the map

23:13 And then he shows what microwaves look like on a radio spectrum, which that's where it fell apart for me because I'm looking at here at five you know 5 megahertz in the hand band. You're showing a software-defined radio from like sdrweb.com or something so that's where... full of crap! But the idea because we just couple weeks ago We were trying to get more bases in the Philippines and the Filipinos like no, we don't think you know I don't think that's so important that you have these bases Of course. We occupied the Philippines at one point and the Philippines very important You know we get what do we get from their semiconductors? What other stuff do we get from the Philippines John must be tons of stuff Well, the main thing nowadays is call centers well hey

24:00 Very important. I'm sure there's more than just call centers Yeah, that was not really that important to us. I thought semiconductors was really big No we can do without them We Malaysia is where most of those come from China Is it is there enough oil for to be interesting the China sure thoughts? You know I'm not seeing unless or something we don't know about but I haven't seen how much strategic geographic location at the Philippines III think you know if there were gonna go toward here is some sort of weather modification. No, no I'm actually debunking that because... Well that's in his case but it is possible there's a storm that forms and you want to make it bigger? Give it a little boost

24:41 You might want to drop a bunch of silver nitrite on it or whatever night as a nitro nitrate and you you know just to pump it up a little bit because It did go into it Passed through the Philippines like who cares and then it blasted and hit the Vietnam coast and went up into China Yeah, this is some pretty interesting areas So I don't know. I have no idea what what the point of this was there There's been these typhoons Here's what bothers me. These typhoons are common to this time of year in this part of the world and they've been going on forever I was in one, in Taiwan once and it is really astonishing how much rain comes down

25:24 I mean you can't, it's...you can't walk. It's- You can't believe how much rain comes down. Is this also the- If you take one step outside, you are soaked! Yeah is this the monsoon season? Is that what it is? Yeah the monsoon season. Yeah I've been in Thailand when that hit and that's That's pretty serious. I mean not with the wind yeah, it's very wet It's very wet and you can't you do nothing can stop stop through this water so And we've i'm trying to look up for example You go to the wikipedia and you look up typhoons in the philippines and you're trying to find some historic ones There was a monster in 1911 Uh there's another big one in 1967 So I mean these are all pretty

26:03 dated, but there has to be stuff that goes way before that and there's really no record. But you have to assume that this is not one-shot deal that's never had nothing like this ever happened before which is what always bothers me because we very rarely cover these typhoons that hit the Asia. Yeah but now we have the climate change vibe. But we got climate change now so every little thing that happens anywhere yeah it does focused on and then you use it as leverage for climate change. Here's what Aaron Burnett did on her show I found this to be quite bizarre

26:43 What she- and I cut it down to like a minute fifteen, because it was five minutes segment and they went to their 3D studio. You know, where that guy who's apparently the only one... They're still doing that? Oh yeah. He's the only guy who knows how to run the 3D studio I guess and he was showing us well this setup So what if a super typhoon like Haiyan hit the United States That's the question! That's what we need to know We don't care about the Filipinos When did America do it? I'm gonna stop for just one second Bring up a point Canadian news which i always listen to when I'm up north and Canadian news for decades when I started listening 10, 20 years ago was notorious for every news story was Oh San Francisco had an earthquake. What would it be like if it wasn't? What would it be like if it was here and I always said this is so lame they can't just report the news what happened they always have to bring it to Canada oh what would happen if it was in Canada we don't care

27:44 But this is but when you hear what they did on this one I mean it was like do we really have nothing else to say? I guess Anderson Cooper was still en route. To be boots on the ground or something. We couldn't get a Live shot or something, or just wasn't interesting enough to give you an idea As I showed you that was the superimposed image But when you're talking about some of these they're showing they're showing the east coast of America with With the with the radar image of the typhoon now off the East Coast of America wind speeds 235 miles an hour that is there's nothing but anything like that. That's a category five of epic proportions Katrina hit, of course much much weaker than I believe about 120 miles an hour Tom Forman is out front so he's out front in our stupid 3D studio. The question is the United States Is it prepared?

28:34 Is it prepared? No. That's the simple answer because it is almost impossible to imagine. But let's go, what are we going to compare this too? Imagine being prepared for something like this We've been trying to figure out the true scope of a storm like this all day long Just imagine if this had hit Florida down here Effectively stretching from one end to the other What might be affected mind happened john if it were florida can we scare these stupid slaves into something this is wreckage wreckage wreckages unbelievable the damage that would be done if this happened erin there's no question as much as you try to evacuate people there would be huge loss of life and even if you could get everybody out with that kind of damage you would end up with somewhere around add up these places alone just the counties that are completely underwater

29:22 and you'll have more than 11 million people with no homes, no businesses, no roads. Do you realize where he's taken us? We've gone from a typhoon on the other side of the world to having no businesses, no home, wreckage! Eleven million displaced Americans... And this would be a national catastrophe A national catastrophe What is the point? This has to be like during the Chernobyl thing, doing one of these stories where what if Chernobyl was in the middle of New York City. I mean this is bull crap! Yeah. Needless bull crap It's really sad

30:03 I mean the conditions aren't the same, we don't have the same tropical environment. It's a tropical area much more so than Florida. Our hookers are not as good looking. Ocean conditions it's the Pacific versus the Atlantic. The call centers suck in Florida. It was really not... They got work now. They mail order brides are no good in Florida In fact there might be a benefit Sorry sir get most slave I have some Floridians listening. Yeah, I know. So now that i'll wrap up my little segment here with another talking point and this is also on CNN because you know they aired the documentary the Pandora's Promise documentary and so once again they have the director on who of course is famously anti-nuclear now he's pro nuclear And here is the talking point which I don't understand why people don't just stand up and say hey That's bull crap

30:56 This is the talking point as to why and this is the guy talking. Is he owns a solar energy company? So he's a solar guy, and he hates nuclear It's the same thing that Van Johnson said that we played I think on Sunday or or the Thursday before That you work for a solar company. That's right. You're completely against nuclear well. I wish nuclear worked I wish it cost less I think the primary problem with nuclear power today is they cost twice as much as solar power So, the argument that I'm hearing now

31:49 against completely carbon-free energy is not even we're afraid of the 60 people who died in total of all nuclear catastrophes. And people can yell and scream and email me all you want, but really look at the world. I'm going to interrupt you for a second. Somebody brought up this point to me, I think it was Buzzkill Jr., because he's got a friend who is this nuke guy who is always just feeding him. Yeah! This is why its better. He said could you get the number for me asking me the question? I want the number of how many people died in the Fukushima disaster

32:29 disaster. I think it was like three guys or five guys who died during the actual explosion. There's numbers not available because i think the number is lower than anyone wants to discuss, but if you even go to the World Health Organization who would expect to be... To lie on the anti-nuke side for Chernobyl they'll say total was about 60 people And it's inconclusive if all of Europe has thyroid issues and they all died of throat cancer. It's inconclusive! We've talked about that enough, this is now come down to price You're gonna tell me that when you have all these other options of cap-and-trade and carbon tax

33:17 that why don't we just if it truly is going to fix it but its too expensive, why don't you take all that bull crap off the table and just do the expensive stuff? Why does no one say this. Oh its too expensive oh I guess fuck the planet! Wait a minute wait the world's gonna come to an end yeah fuck the planet It's too expensive We're all gonna die but this is too expensive Yes This what I dont understand how come no one says exactly what you said so its not worth it to you To spend more to save the earth. No, it's well we tried...we tried is too expensive it's twice as expensive as this great solar so I guess we'll have to use this." This is infuriating that no-I'm screaming at the television when I see this! Yeah, you know this is the-I have to say I kind of mentioned this in the newsletter. This kind of discrepancy

34:08 Our show seems to be the only one that ever discusses it. Well yeah because we're not getting any money from big oil, from big solar or Big Nuke! That's true That's why we discuss it. We're just sitting here bitching and on that note in the morning to you John C Dvorak Oh well in the morning do you Adam Curry and in the morning all the boots on the ground feet in the air subs in the water uh all the dames and knights out there and I think I left something out that's alright, I'd like to thank the human resources say in the morning to them they're in the chat room noagendastream.com noagendachat.net

40:20 Uh, from Elkins West Virginia. I don't have a note from him? No, I don't think so either... I should go over these notes. I'm going to double check... nope nope ummm Random mail Billy Tim, I have his email Well this is kind of the only thing you have to do You know i take a lot of these notes and then I forward them with the moniker N A Notes Yeah And by the time it was there's just a couple things By the time I start doing the clips, I just lose track of that part of it. But let me take a look at N.A., and then it's in subject and I just get all these notes. That's quite a few! I mean, I always hold on to everything...I have a little folder for stuff you tell me to say but its not any of these. No random hillbilly. We get a lot of notes from The N. A Show

41:19 Well, anyway. Okay. But now is our next one... Is that not an executive producer at that level? Well I think we had it... Well we'll give it to Nina but... Well but is it Elena or Nina? No actually Elena from Hamburg. I guess this just went through her other person's account. I always thought it was 333-33 was the cutoff. But it could be confusing. I'll go back and look on the support page We don't even know what level... We do know, it's on the support page Well, the support page It was like athletic supports? Warwick dot org slash NA is the support page You can read the next one and I'll check and see what uh What it says on the support page I don't see random hillbillies nail here No Well I don't see the other things here either Oh well

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46:38 Come on, come on! I can't get you to do it now? No no no. I'm gonna- I told ya' I have to make an alteration because they got two names. Gene Natuliev... Hey this is Sir Gene. He also wants to make it rain. He's also wanted a 2x bitches but he doesn't have any name for us which is okay Well he can put- he can send it to me through the back channel Well I don't want to have three, i guess i could do three. You're gonna have more because we have make it rain donations coming up! Yeah but we're not going to just keep doing that...I'm going to do the one announcement with all the women in it That's what I mean yeah Because we got destiny cut into the arcadics. We're gonna be at the gold club! A lot of stages... No, no, we will BE the gold club that's the plan hello? Dame Joan Dauterfree in Morgantown. Sir, sir, Dame Joan. Morgantown 200 bucks love you guys thank you so much for watching MSM for all of us so we don't have to and I think that's right oh by the way

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51:01 Retro phantasm film so this is at some theater idea and everybody's the new agenda thing that they're sponsored it don't you remember he donated any sponsored us with a do with like a movie donation oh yeah I remember about the credit so he's now okay so in any but the crazy people in the audience are applauding our show I don't know what they're not like him, but like a bunch of people. This is in North Carolina. We have more listeners than we think! Yeah that's what was so amazing and people are like woo! Oh I love the way he rolls out the logo No agenda woo! What? People actually have heard of our show?! I thought that was extremely cool So you can uh... That's in the show notes of course on the POS. I liked his little creation here with the fireball It's pretty

51:54 It's very pretty. I think it's good Well, thank you all very much This is indeed a good showing for today Thank you to our executive producers and associate executive producers for keeping the show on the road vorac org Slash n a and of course just like in the movie theaters We need you to go out and propagate our formula formula is this we go out? We hit people in the mouth I wouldn't mind going straight into

52:36 Let me see if I have it. This would definitely be, uh disappointingly the most emailed article that i received where um The British authorities say it is pretty much likely and probably an accident that that spy zipped himself in the bag, locked himself in the locker and died. In this tragic accident... And while you know so it's like look we know that does bullcrap obviously! It has become like a joke where would you say oh they're so crazy I can't believe they're saying that but meanwhile all this stuff is happening that no one's paying attention to particularly in The United Kingdom

53:36 And let me see, I might have a clip here. There is a shut up slave training exercise going on that is of just epic proportions that is now about to be... it's a proposed bill and the way I understand it from people who have helped me read this, and this is in Gitmo Nation East in the UK. It looks like its going to pass with very few if any amendments and pretty quickly which means then it goes to royal assent, I guess the Queen has to sign off on it And this is the new Antisocial Behaviour Crime & Policing Bill for 2013-2014

54:17 where we now are introduced to the IPNA. Now have you heard anything about this, John? The IPNA... The Injunctions To Prevent Nuisance And Annoyance No! You got me here This is- I can't believe that that people of Britannia are not on the streets rioting against this This gives the authorities this bill, actually I'll read you just the... they call it a bill in the UK too. Go figure! Makes provisions about anti-social behavior crime and disorder including provisions about recovery of possessions of dwelling houses so yeah they can kick you out of your house there's all these things they could do but essentially if you it's also precrime If you are a nuisance or annoying

55:11 The police can arrest you, they can throw you out of your house. They can throw your family out of their house if you are 10 years of age or older this is a change from the anti-social behavior orders where it was 18 but no and now a local authority can do this housing provider can use the chief officer of police for police area a constable of the transport police force like the tube cops the environment agency. The tube cops? Yeah, oh yeah! And when you read through this bill... Why did the British put up with this? Well because they're being tricked into laughing about the spy in the bag and anyone who was remotely 29 steps removed from the royal child that's all that the press is talking about over there apparently and me this thing is it is just sick

56:02 when you see... I mean, literally if you're a nuisance an annoyance or if you are going to be a nuisance then all these powers kick in and I am flabbergasted that this is not like the number one conversation in Gitmo Nation East because when this thing passes that's it. You're done I mean, how can you stop this? How can you then... You have no recourse. This is why we have guns in America! It's to stop this tyrannical behavior from the government and by the way a criminal behavior order that includes a requirement must specify the person A person may be an individual but can also be an organization So it's not just for individual persons it could be for your knitting club because they're an annoyance

56:58 And it can be from making noise. They can come on a public place and determine that you're a nuisance, and tell you to shove off go away from this public spot How can people stand for this? This is against human rights even. Well that's from our perspective, this is the reason we put the Bill of Rights in because we were sick of the British rule where they just you know hey a soldier's gonna stay in your place hey we're gonna come and look around and all that sort of thing even though we have a bunch of people now wanting to go back to that for obvious reasons yeah who No bots? But you know it is kind of like that. So first of all the problem really stems from the drinking and the drinking is because there's nothing to do for the kids, there are no jobs, there's no future I mean Christina's friends they're either growing weed in their basement and selling it or they're working for Dominoes and distributing weed in the Dominoes boxes

57:56 Or they're in Afghanistan shipping poppies back. And you know we got some information on that later on too, but these new laws where being annoying is going to be... I mean this show we could probably could not do this show in the United Kingdom because it would just be annoying! And we can be given an order to stop. We aren't doing it in the United Kingdom. Yeah, but... They can't come into our house those bastards! Not yet I'm just flabbergasted at these things so it's the uh You know and this is Cameron. Cameron the big libertarian yeah So I have links to the legislation in the show notes read through it I think I tweeted a link

58:45 I'm like, well this is nice. This is a model for Europe the UK setting the stage and then English people were like what section of the bill do you find so offensive? What section?! How about the whole bloody thing! It's just flabbergasting Flabbergasting yeah really really really flabbergasting And then when of course as part of that... You know this keeps things nice and quiet for the upper class Yeah, well that is really the truth. It's really all about this is law for the upper class because the riffraff are annoying me in my neighborhood. Yeah, oh these riffraff they're making too much noise

59:29 No, they're yelling at each other. Call the police! In Europe itself we had the Council of Europe which I'm still a little unclear what the Council of Europe does... Yeah you know i am too it comes and goes in the news cycle and it's like what? What this is different than the Legislative Europe, The Council of something else there are a million councils They've got a big website they've got a really big website It's like the Security Council of the United Nations I believe Well so they uh they're all over the hate speech thing which is another thing How can you distinguish freedom of speech from hate speech? This is again just not something that makes any sense in my mind. Students and human rights activists have discussed ways to stop the spread of hate speech at a conference in France Stop the spread like it's an ink fleck, ink spot. That was Dutch An ink spot just spreading... The spreading of hate speech What does that even mean?! I HATE YOU!

1:00:24 Hey man, that's unconstitutional. The Council of Europe held the three-day meeting in the eastern city of Strasbourg Dude a three day meeting about this stuff? In Strasbourg?! I hate you! You're ugly I don't like you look gay. I don't like you because of that is that hate speech is that is that? I don't know Hate speeches anything you want it to be now Thank You the conference attracted over 150 participants from 38 countries Hate speech has legally prohibited in many European countries But the regulations are not keeping up with the expansion of a number of internet users oh It's hate speech on the Internet, of course

1:01:06 some countries are considering... Wait, hang on a second. Back up that clip and I want to hear that again what's not keeping up with the number of users? The regulations... The law, the regulation is a regulation. It doesn't have to keep up it has to exist No! It doesn't have to change Oh there's twice as many people let's change the law What? I'm pretty sure it's about the anonymous hate speech John But still Regulations are not keeping up with the expansion of the number of internet users Some countries are considering imposing tougher penalties The participants discussed... You say I hate you and you blow up? What could a tougher penalty be? ...how to deal with hate messages posted on the internet. Don't hate me! One person proposed stepping up online monitoring and asking website operators to delete them Yes, this is a good concept It's called moderating More monitoring No we need monitoring from the government

1:02:06 Government will monitor you and we will ask you politely to remove the hate speech. If you do not remove the hate speech, your website will go poof! Another said schools should educate students not to use hate speech by showing them examples of it Oh that's... let's see... examples of porn I know it when I see it We eliminate hate speech but we can prevent it from taking root on young people Council staff member Rui Gomez said he welcomes imposing stricter regulations to draw people away from hate speech. I'm sorry, is there a definition? I should have looked this up. We do have a woman affected by hate speech. There's a live clip apparently glitch girl

1:02:55 Oh God, I clipped this and threw it out. I kept it? This is the one that was in the interview with her? Yes of course! Yeah Glitch Girl was interviewed on ABC and she decided that she was being bullied now the real story here is not... yeah this is the woman's face kind of a cute Columbia I think she's Colombian And by the way you're not saying it properly She is the face who was on the healthcare.gov website Right, the first face. And she's being interviewed and she has the exact same hairdo and earrings and makeup everything exactly the same so you can identify her as Glitch Girl

1:03:31 Glitz girl and apparently some people had you know made you know fun of her fun of her And they bullied her and she bitches about being bullied because they'd be a moved-her-eyes closer together I love those Photoshop jobs. Those were hilarious And so she felt really put upon so she had to come out and do this interview now the real interesting Factoid in this interview to me is none of this, I don't care. I think it's interesting today brought her two tears yes Which is what we had with this Philippine guy too. Bringing people to tears is what the networks like to do. Yeah, it's ratings! But I think there's a little tidbit in here and I want to see if you catch it...

1:04:09 Because this is what to me was the number one thing in this clip. The other side of the Obamacare rollout and the woman who became the face of the website fiasco plastered on the homepage of healthcare dot gov, the source of anger for so many and ABC's Amy Robach spoke to her in an ABC News exclusive great to see you Amy Thank you so much good morning Robin and her picture may be gone now from the website but the woman who actually has a name Adriana Says she is not completely over the sting of what she calls bullying It's the face that launched a frenzied hunt. That smiling lady! Have you seen the mystery girl?

1:04:46 As frustrations with the glitch plagued Obamacare website mounted, people turned their attention to the mystery woman on the homepage. And until now her identity remained a secret Why do you want to speak out now? Because I mean I deserve an chance to tell people who I am and not just let everybody else say whatever they want. I wanted her to say because i'm looking for a bit part I'd like a movie role or something, come on. She could have said stuff like that and they cut it out. Oh true So who is the woman who was in the face of the Obamacare website? I'm a mother and I'm wife And not professional model Adriana Who asked that we no use her last name Is from Colombia And not a US citizen Though she is eligible to apply for healthcare under permanent residence That was it It was commercial

1:05:37 At least that was my takeaway. Wrong? Well, that's not what I got out of it. Okay well let me continue then, I'm sorry. And while she says the picture was supposed to be a typical stock photo she says she never anticipated it would quickly become a laughingstock We signed the release and said it was possibly going to be used for material for promoting health care which is they know that it was gonna have negative impact You've been dubbed glitch girl, the most despised face on the planet. Did you ever anticipate this type of publicity scrutiny? No Adding insult to injury Adriana says she wasn't paid for the photo Have you ever experienced anything like this before in your life Well this is actually a reason why I wanted to be here because as a kid and never went through that

1:06:28 But now I am you know some it's a sort of bullying there. It is it is bullying money shot but at the same time You know, I thought I had to do this What did you hear? Okay They spent $100 million plus and they didn't maybe 600 million on this website She doesn't get a nickel They don't even give her a modeling what kind of greedy bastards are running this country Ron bloom That's funny. Yeah, I hadn't-I didn't look at it that way. That's the way I looked at it! Ha ha ha, that's funny

1:07:14 But you're right, I think there was a commercial aspect to it. Don't forget if you're an illegal you can tell us your...I guess she has a work permit. Here it is. Get in on this we gotta get our numbers up. Look this up for us hate speech is outside the law communication that vilifies a person or group based on discrimination against that person or group In law, hate speech is any speech gesture or conduct writing or display which is forbidden because it may incite violence or prejudicial action against or by a protected individual or group. Or because it disparages or intimidates a protected individual or group

1:07:55 The law may identify a protected individual or protected group by certain characteristics. In some countries, A victim of hate speech may seek redress under civil law criminal law or both. Oh this is important! A website that uses hate speech is called a hate site. Most of these sites contain internet forums and newsletters... That emphasize a particular viewpoint. It's us I don't want to say too much, but turn that mic up there. Mr DC Vorak... Critics have argued the term hate speech is contemporary example of newspeak used to silence critics of social policies that have been poorly implemented in a rush to appear politically correct Well yes! Hey i'm going to the Netherlands we're leaving tomorrow for a week

1:08:52 Let me see what the law is. The Dutch penal code prohibits both insulting a group and citing hatred, discrimination or violence. Wow! Here it is he who publicly orally in writing or graphically intentionally expresses himself insultingly regarding a group of people because of their race their religion or their life philosophy their heterosexual or homosexual orientation... I got a clip that makes fun of this. Right after you're done with this definition, we're gonna go to a hate speech clip. Okay let me finish up the definition Their heterosexual homosexual orientation or their physical physiological or mental disability shall be punished by imprisonment of no more than a year or a monetary penalty of the third category whatever that means so i can't say hey cripple

1:09:40 I always say that. You don't say that? Yes, all the time! The cripples like it they do either way i say it because this is...I've always done this you just bring out the obvious and then you make no big deal This is what I learned growing up in Amsterdam. This is a crazy thing. They say hey cripple how are you doing and then okay How are you feeling well except for the cancer that's killing me feel pretty good oh okay then we can move on and not have this cloud hanging over us at least that's my experience but I guess I could be now be arrested and thrown in jail for a year yes a year. And they by the way that will not yeah, i don't think they're going to give you a line so we can do the show where your in the slammer are you kidding me? In Holland uh...in the in the slammer get internet

1:10:25 Do you get high speed? Yeah, you get broadband. Absolutely. Well can you have your microphone and rig yeah I can have the ultimate podcast device also fine I'm not worried about the price of it's the monetary penalty. I'm worried about that's the part Also that wouldn't be able to get clips as easy. I don't think do you have the concern now let's play the clip okay now here's is a hate speed clip by this definition This is the hate speech clip I have. This is a clip on kale and obviously it's hate speech by definition because it mocks Kale and this book that just came out, it's mocking a book. Now this is Craig Ferguson in Late Night Guy and I had to clip this. I usually don't clip these guys but i clipped this one because I had looked his book up myself but he summarizes my feelings But this is pure hate speech. I was just waiting for the show to start you know getting myself ready for some quality entertainment

1:11:27 And I saw the book that Jeff was reading, what is it? Fifty Shades of Kale. This is a real book! Yeah yeah...I didn't know you were reading this It's a book uh..that I'm apparently plugging right about now but its a book which- I just readin' the little thing You know the thing on the inside kinda like the tweet or something It's the little blurb for the book, it says indulge savor satisfy. Now remember we're talking about kale here right? It says nothing is sexier than a sharp mind atop of lean healthy body well that's true yeah that's me okay

1:12:08 Few foods are able to deliver this promise like kale She is the ideal plant in many ways that first of all I reject the notion that a plan has agenda Yeah, that's very sexist. I look she she kale is the ideal plant many ways beautiful versatile nourishing and downright delicious like Am I eating something else when I eat kale? Because these people have turned kale into something interesting and tasty. I reject it, frankly! I think it's... I think it's hokum!" We've had two dinners since our last show

1:12:44 And in both, Mickey's getting pissed at me now. Because in both cases I'm like... Oh! I shall order the kale and you know when the server is asking me what I'd like because I'm convinced it tastes like crap no matter who makes it. This is hate speech! It's hate, I'm hating the kale and uh- In both cases so far total crap. It just sucks I'm reading from the book now, the inside thing that he was referring to. Yeah you have the book? Oh wow! I don't have the book...I have the Amazon look inside the book. Cliff Notes

1:13:22 Cliff notes in 50 shades of kale discover 50 enticing it's 15 crit there's the best they could do I by the way we're putting a book together for The No Agenda Show called The Kale Recipe Booker and have some name for it that won't be that's a working title. I want people to submit kale why don't you say I've only got six yeah thanks everybody, It's going to be a real thin book so we have we have and it's her as always the kale is referred to as a woman Interest a kale cheddar omelet get your hands little dirty with afternoon quickies. Oh, I'll get it oh Like zucchini and kale bites turn up the heat with chipotle flank steak with lime black beans and kale man or spicy mussels with kale and Surrender your most forbidden cravings with chocolate-chip kale cookies. I mean okay so

1:14:12 This is to me as hate speech what we're doing, attacking this vegetable. But I did some research on kale and it turns out that there's a Kale Institute type of operation running out of England with public relations support that has triggered this national movement to eating kale which if you ever look at i think its because They're trying to grow it as a cash crop that people will actually buy and want instead of chard or spinach, which are more problematic. And you can actually do a lot of hydroponics with the spinach and most of it's not even grown in the dirt anymore. And so kale is a crop that's resistant to bugs. You know? Even the insects won't eat it. And they're trying to promote this kale. The insect like, hey what does that get at this crap?

1:15:00 So this kale, there's a horrible kale which everyone defends especially the vegetarians have been sold. The bill of goods are all over it but again I were soliciting recipes and believe it is possible to make kale taste good under some circumstance you have my basic theory now as you'd have to parboil it for about 10 minutes and then you have to fry with a lot of garlic in oil until softens up and then you have put it in a food processor and puree it with something else. Yeah, like chocolate chip cookies or something. Speaking of crops John my favorite report came out once again and you know I always look forward to reading the report from the UNODC we've been tracking the UNODC reports for months since the show began I think

1:15:52 UNODC, of course is the United Nations Office on Drugs and Crime. And good news! Opium crops in Afghanistan all-time high!! This is so funny because in this report... I read this too, it's hilarious So actually have a report as always do. I've highlighted some bits for you It's in the show notes 565 dot NA show notes dot com Let me just read a few choice bits starting at the preface Opium poppy cultivation in Afghanistan reached a sobering record high in 2013. And we're not even done with 2013! I like the use of the word sobering. According to the 2013 Afghanistan opium survey, which by the way John you and I should be on the board of that, cultivation amounted to some two hundred nine thousand hectares

1:16:49 How many acres is that? Oh, let me get... I'll do the calculation while you read. Outstripping the earlier record in 2007 of 209 thousand hectares. Okay. Outstripping the earlier record in 2007 of 193 thousand hectare and representing a 36% increase over 2012! This is really, in fact let's say 516 450 acres. Yes! Parte! Moreover two provinces that had previously been declared poppy free Faria bin Balkh in northern Afghanistan lost this status but that's okay because you know what they gained?

1:17:41 All in all, opium production in 2013 went up to some 5.5 thousand tons! A 49% increase over 2012! Yeah! Very very good As we approach 2014 and the withdrawal of international forces from the country Afghanistan working with its many friends and allies in a spirit of shared responsibility must make some very serious choices about the future it desires and act accordingly Reining in the illicit economy, criminality and corruption is essential. So I went through this whole report for you people listening And a couple of other facts sheet here about the survey just some other numbers besides the acreage The current GDP or in 2012 the GDP of Afghanistan was 18.95 billion Thanks to the increase in the poppy trade that has now 21.04 billion so this good news

1:18:41 Total farm gate value of opium production in 2012 was 0.7 billion, we are now at 0.95 billion an increase of 4% of the entire GDP to the gross income from opium per hectare and that's a what was that number again you had John? You had the 516 450 acres time okay so but if we have to do the hectares so it was let me just get 209 thousand two hundred nine thousand hold on second Let me get the calculator. 209,12 thousand... Ah! Crap! Can't even do that. 209,123 times the value of each hectare per year is 4500 bucks That is a whopping- let me count to zeroes 1..2..3..1..2..3.. 9- that's a trillion dollars That's 940 million dollars A billion dollars I'm sorry, billion dollars That's just the raw stuff

1:19:41 That's just growing it. What's interesting about this report is nowhere, nowhere do they explain how it gets transported. Isn't that interesting? But the BBC, but the BBC ho-ho! That seems to be overlooked. How many? So five and a half thousand tons... You got five... Just mysterious... Yeah I don't know how that works out there's a map here which is really cool. Ten you've got lots of stuff to move gotta move it so they show the cultivation they have maps in this and you've got to look at it it's hilarious So they have Hohman province, Kandahar province, Uruzgan province. Where the bases are! You've heard these names in the news. Dutch people, Uruzgan, that's where the entire Dutch military are probably happy

1:20:34 Kandahar province. Hell, you've heard these names and this is where the largest increases have taken place it's on the map right where the bases are because we are protecting them and the BBC has this report oh well poppy is up in production but... And here's their video report here's what they lead us to believe about this 209 thousand hectares of five-and-a-half thousand tons of poppy As Afghanistan records its largest opium harvest, these graves tell a story as to just what the effect of that is on the people of this country. This is Ghulam Nabi and his friend Abdul Karim who were hanged in Iran for trying to cross the border smuggling sacks of opium. Five-and-a-half thousand tons apparently! The reward had they got to the other side would have been as little as $100, that's about £70

1:21:29 the penalty for them and other men whose bodies ended up in this graveyard was death. They came from the village down the hill which because of this rather curious trade that many of the men in the village have become involved in... Curious trade? You mean, this financial bonanza for everyone involved? ...is known locally as Widow's Village it changed its name profound effect on families in this part of Afghanistan, of this difficult and grim trade. This is one of the world's most unstable frontiers between Afghanistan and Iran over here behind the Y you can see Afghans who are coming home having been working in Iran or perhaps they've been to see relatives there are still many Afghan refugees over there

1:22:20 but you can see that the Iranian frontier is just about 50 yards, 50 meters behind me over there. President Karzai's picture on this side of the border and beyond that, the two ayatollahs mark the place where Iran begins. So now they show a whole bunch of trucks and like well maybe it's in those trucks? Now on this side is what the world is really concerned about these are hundreds of trucks that pass through at this frontier every day, most of them empty coming from Afghanistan going out into Iran and the local customs police border policeman here told me that he believes about ten of those trucks might have contraband drugs on them. Might be loaded with opium or heroin hidden in a compartment on the truck Yes five-and-a-half thousand tons of secret compartments Bull crap!

1:23:17 There's a couple of things that are obvious in this story. One is, for one thing it's the store... there was two guys who were freelancers obviously poached a couple of bags and stuff trying to get across the border. Interns! Not even freelance, some interns stole some bags Yeah they took a couple bags across the border on their own as if they're you know trying to get a few extra bucks because they're underpaid and they're not French enough to protest this So they made a big story out of that. Now the fact that this story exists because this is a small border incident in Iran someplace, that we shouldn't even know about unless it's sending a message so the only reason this was covered as a news story was to try and get it out far enough out there so these Afghanis who work at these opium places don't try and pull this crap

1:24:10 No, no. You're working for us! We're paying you! Yeah don't be stealing the sacks Don't be trying to do that because you'll wind up here in the grave and you'll be coming from that widow town Just load it on to the C-47 as we told you too And again please take note that we are no longer in American news during the longest war in our history have arrivals on television or any pictures whatsoever flag-draped coffins and please see the movie American Gangster to understand what might possibly be going on with these planes that come back. Right, an American gangster was a fascinating film is based on the real guy who's still alive and still tells this story it's not dramatized yes but it's it's the way it worked which was we're using coffins of

1:25:05 to put, store drugs and ship them all over the place. And I'm not blaming the military, I'm planting it squarely on the CIA that is what they do and... That's how they can maintain this budget of having every third person in the country working for them! And that's how the banks maintain their stature? Yes, well this is a basic no agenda thesis. Now of course we have the other drug trade which I think sometimes funnier, more interesting and certainly wildly profitable. And oh yes legal got a huge boost as we had a report come out and the minute i saw the headline i knew i had to follow up doctors say 33 million americans should be taking statin drugs well when the minute i hear the uh you know the magic number

1:25:55 Then you know that something's up and one of our producers Fantastic. He he was freaking out he said oh my god because I've no agenda I knew exactly what was going on? He collected for us not one Not two but three reports all chopped down here into 30 second size bites of the great new report about Lipitor, and I wonder I wonder what it could mean let's go to CBS and Segment one. Doctors used to rely on a specific cholesterol level to determine which patients needed the drugs known as statins, now new guidelines from the American Heart Association and the American College of Cardiology are recommending statins for four high-risk groups. The groups include patients with cardiovascular disease those with a bad cholesterol of 190 or higher patients between 40 and 75 with type 2 diabetes

1:26:46 and patients between 40 and 75 with a 10 year elevated risk of cardiovascular disease. We're trying to take the people who benefit most, and give them the therapies to start with that benefit most. I love it! Yes? I am between 40 and 120 years old, and have at least 10 years of some kind of precancerous pre-heart things level zero. Yeah you do! You better start taking this stuff now Let's go to CBS follow up report 2 To measure that risk the panel created a calculator that considers factors other than just cholesterol A calculator? John get out your calculator let's see if you need a statin I obviously do I've been in all those categories Including ethnicity

1:27:27 Oh, ethnicity! We don't have enough black people on this drug. It's a black and brown people. Come on that is huge market. I can't believe we are not selling to these people For example, A 50 year old white male with treated high blood pressure Total cholesterol of 220 And good cholesterol of 45 Has 10 years risk of cardiovascular disease of 5% Statin treatment may not be warranted, but for a man who is African-American, a group known to be at higher risk the exact same numbers give a risk of almost 9%, a level that meets the panel's criteria for treatment. Now what kind of racist crap is this? That was so racist and hate speech! How do you get to say a group that is known for higher risk? Why?! Because they're black!?

1:28:14 Is this something that I miss out on some great scientific discovery? Well, let's ask Sanjay Gupta over at CNN. What this basically means now is that if you go to your doctor and you meet one of these four criteria, heart disease, diabetes, a cholesterol over 190 or a heart risk greater than 7.5%, then you're probably going to be prescribed the statin drug And if you look at the projections they say about 35-36 million people are taking the drugs now It could literally double it could go to 70-76 million people within the next few years But they're not sure on... Did you hear that John? It's a bonanza. It can double, double, triple! Yes! Yes? So they you know it's generic now Lipitor there is a generic. These statins are all generic yes but the drug companies have bought the generic companies that make the generics and so they keep their prices the same so it's like a buck a pill or two bucks or something really expensive Pfizer has the um has Lipitor and Merck has the Zolocor I think Zolocor what did the generic version of

1:29:26 And these are six, seven billion dollar a year drugs. So these are all commercials and we were waiting for this to happen because pharma they need to advertise and these are advertisements to get you, to scare you because oh! You're black, go and get your statins Yeah, obviously the blacks have not been buying into this so they have to be scared better. And it's a commercial and I'm disgusted by it! And you should be... Not you but people listening should just be so disgusted by it Oh write down this John Katya and Nadia What about Tara and Robin? Well no the Katya and Nadia are Sir Gene's dancers Katya...Katya...Nadia Katya and Nadia

1:30:18 Well, whatever who's Taron and Robin now that's for uh that's for our other producer. That's for So we got Katya Nadia Tara Robin destiny in Hillary guess Anyway, so that is how the mainstream a couple of them in this champagne room This is no sex in the champagne room. This is how Mainstream media does it? And I'm glad that we have our producers out there, you know catching it and saying oh wow this is unbelievable. It's a bonanza! You just yeah you can wait for all the commercials to roll out and the media buy will be done based upon who did a good job on the role. I think CBS did well they had two segments and of course Sanjay Gupta he had he did a whole produce number. Did you hear the music? He was in green screen and everything going on

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1:38:58 The economic hitman thing in the newsletter. Yeah, I was editing it and editing it and then time was going by And I said I better ship this newsletter So I'm gonna put it on the Sunday newsletter so if anyone doesn't get the newsletters should subscribe today Okay, I was gonna call you out as an Indian giver but um oh Hold back, but I'm not from India for starters. I do have an Indian story though No home I saying we have a lot of stuff to do uh... so let me so i'd sold and said that i said it is a by the way less than we had us with this stop now stop we've got to thank this guy from cigar journal yes every show for the last year like hey we forgot to think that our guy at the top of the family who is the editor of cigar journal which is a really good magazine um... senescent selection of

1:39:52 what are I guess semi-famous or famous cigars that are now on the market. And with this cool little thing inside which was a, uh... A little pad of some sort of... The mini humidor thing yeah Yeah it's like an automatic so you can use anything and throw this little bag in there It's like an automatic humidor So i gotta tell you funny story about this Do remember when I ordered from the Silk Road? Before it went down? Did they have Cubanos on there? No but I was expecting my my order to come and I had no idea how it arrives, you know. And it says well we'll send it to you stealth whatever that meant and so this package shows up

1:40:34 with cigars in it, I'm like wow this is a great way to ship the drugs and i swear to god. It took me half an hour of going like well where's the drugs? To figure out that it was just cigars! That was if...I thought it was like wow this is really...of course the dogs will never sniff it like that Yeah, but it was actually just the cigars and his name is Ganley. I think I may have said gambling But anyway one of its highly appreciated man thing that is funny though I can just imagine you expecting because if that would be as stealth as a guest when did you? Would be attempted to tear into one of this It's got to be in here click not in this one No Actually, yeah, I smoked a couple of those cigars with I think one with Sir Gene and one with uh with Mike Yeah, Mikey producer Mike are they ain't

1:41:23 The ones we smoke were, you know... but I don't smoke anymore. So when we had a whiskey and then you have it, you know, so you have a smoke is nice of course it's like it's a whole ritual and these are good tasting cigars but it's been awhile since I've been smoking. Yeah, the Polly Cognac goes well with the good cigar. To 4ork dot org slash N A donate enough to be a knight someday All right, Jakov Kramitz congratulates his wife Anna celebrating on the 16th. That'll be on Saturday Dame Joanie Joan daughter Freya congratulates her husband Alex who celebrates today and bad mom

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1:41:23 The ones we smoke were, you know... but I don't smoke anymore. So when we had a whiskey and then you have it, you know, so you have a smoke is nice of course it's like it's a whole ritual and these are good tasting cigars but it's been awhile since I've been smoking. Yeah, the Polly Cognac goes well with the good cigar. To 4ork dot org slash N A donate enough to be a knight someday All right, Jakov Kramitz congratulates his wife Anna celebrating on the 16th. That'll be on Saturday Dame Joanie Joan daughter Freya congratulates her husband Alex who celebrates today and bad mom

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1:43:45 You can't have a popularity contest, you can in the People's Choice Awards of course that is what it is for. Everyone votes and you get the award that kind of what the Golden Globes I believe are that way but if your going to do the other ones they have to be judged by somebody who is a judge Your peers Yeah, or you know. Well no the whole thing is a popularity contest yeah but you have all of them as a popularity contest it's ludicrous because the guy with the best bot wins! John come on it's been going on for six years now and now all of sudden your questioning how they put together? No I'm not paying attention because I've been questioning this all along Oh I'm not paying attention But whoever has the best bot wins so should be just award for the best bot okay

1:44:33 I'm not gonna argue. So, i'm looking at msn dot com which still exists actually shows up once in a while. You know what? I helped launch that Yeah well thanks for nothing so all it is this the way the news and mainstream media's headed this way It's like let me just read you want to click on this stuff uh like let me just give you some here are the editors picks imma just gonna read ya the little headline Man guilty of 100 million dollar vets fraud Ooh! Click No. Depression speeds aging? Question mark? Death row organ donors fears. Yeah, click! The scrunchie makes a return Brother Andy Kaufman's alive Click! Sinkhole swallows backyard Oh man... Okay this is news News Yeah this is the news And as you go down to the photo news

1:45:33 Actu wants to expand racial profiling lawsuit. Shields to join Fox show is Chris Jenner ready-to-date? Have you seen the did you get the memo that Chris Jenner I mean that Bruce Jenner wants to transgender no He kinda has a womanish look. I know, but that... I think that look by the way stems from-I'm absolutely sure he had a vasectomy because there's a certain look. I want to explain it. Wait a minute! You're gonna tell me the guys who have a vasectomy get a certain look?

1:46:10 Yes, they do. And let me give you the premise for this thing. I had a book in my collection and it was printed around 1927 or to 1929 that era and it was the name of the book was Look Young Forever And it was a promotional book, typical weird shit that was going on in the 20's. This is the eugenics era. A promotional book for getting vasectomies as a youth... As a way to make men look younger when they're old and they shed the before and after pictures of all these men who had vasectomies which I guess was a new procedure back in the 20's

1:46:53 or whenever it came about is when this book came out. And I think the original purpose of the vasectomy was for this purpose, was for like a facelift and they showed us and every look of these guys always had this kind of plumper smoother definitely smoother kind of womanly face kind of like a female face And I started noticing people that actually had vasectomies with rare exceptions. Once in a while there's a guy that, that's an exception to the rule but most of them always have this kind of certain pasty kinda dough-ey face look That is totally Jenner yeah

1:47:33 That is a vasectomy look and Jenner is one of these guys that has that look. Although his look is really too... But I know guy who have had vasectomies and they don't have that look at all You do, you have not thought about it much And some guy say they've had a vasectomy for some reason or other No, no the guys on this like morning show here and I went on that morning show Yeah And uh.. One of their sponsors Is a doctor and I guess this what we have to do in morning radio This is really good. Hey, morning to you! I'll have a vasectomy!" And then of course he had to do it. Oh God... Yeah and he said it was like it sucked for a couple days but I don't know. It wasn't sucked anymore? Yes, let's move along please Okay anyway so that means saying this is the kind of news that's out there but no I don't know anything about Bruce Jenner wanting to have a... Of course after being on that show for awhile I can understand it So looking at...

1:48:34 looking at the exchanges, and I need to bring this up because people need to understand what's going on. There's a lot of Bitcoin news. Bitcoin now well into the 400s. We need a jingle for the Bitcoin report! Yeah we do and i'd like to explain to people how this works because in the... And I'm kind of flabbergasted John that no one really sees the scam for what it is When you run the exchange, you determine the price. This is not NASDAQ! This is not regulated by the SEC In fact there's so many exchanges now and this is where the money is If you look at the bid and ask if you want to sell your bitcoins You can get about $390 for them. If you want to buy them well Now you're at 440 that's called the spread and that's outrageous. That's too big. That's outrageous of course It's outrageous

1:49:28 And you see, and everyone's getting in on it now. In fact Circle Internet Financial just got a pretty heavy hitter they brought him onto the board of directors Raj Dat Date I think his name is They're gonna start an exchange You've got iBit Everyone's launching an exchange because that's where the money is! And you get to set the price and you get to rip everybody off this ice It's like this is such a beautiful scam It truly is so well thought out that I'm now thinking that the Bitcoin is actually, you know... There's not going to be any scam with the Bitcoin itself. Because that's solid, I guess. The cryptography and how it's done is solid but these exchanges—this thing's gonna go to a thousand! It'll be a thousand before the end of the year

1:50:18 and it'll go beyond that. There's no downside, and if you're trading on the exchange there's always a delay or like oh sorry you know the system is down yeah and then the system comes back up and that the price difference is 20 bucks guess who makes the money? I'm just astounded that people don't see what's going on here well the whole thing is a scam Right, but it's so well done. It is a psychological operation. What I like about it and what I really enjoy the most is how all the techies are all in. Well this is kind of where I wanted to take it because

1:50:58 Someone found out, and I think Bitcoin is probably the best example of it but the nuclear guys also know how to play the alternative media and the libertarians and the geeky people like us which we are To some degree in a word. We touch all those areas And are taking advantage of us in really almost disgusting way because you know The hardcore... Remember when with that hate we got about bitcoin at beginning when were laughing about it? You know, it's like you can't run a store with the prices changing every 10 minutes varying to $10 or 20. You can't do that! You can't be competitive! You can't be changing your prices all the time this is crazy this is not a monetary unit It is a great scam and I pretty much suspect Max Keiser of being behind... He sold his Hollywood exchange he has built exchanges he must be behind one of them Yeah no he has to be

1:51:57 And so it's the exact same software. I bet you if you can get to that code, Oh might be yeah You could find some some clues any forensic code tracker could probably figure out who wrote this thing Now something else happened yesterday which i think is also a psychological operation which hits exactly the same people and is actually very very smartly done So what happened is yesterday, WikiLeaks leaked and if you download the document it even says secret TPP treaty. Okay so now you know that I... We've talked about the TPP before? Well not we've talked about the TTIP

1:52:47 No, no we've talked about the TPP. And we have talked about it. I've talked about it because I talked about when Putin was having a meeting with these guys and all the rest of it We have discussed this operation. We didn't have the details though Right well we've had a draft version but here's what's interesting...We don't get the entire TPP! We get one chapter and we get the intellectual property quote-unquote internet freedoms and copyright chapter, which is the only thing people on the internet who are activists care about. And so this thing comes out and of course you know me I'm like oh great i'm gonna read this! And I'm going through it I'm like holy crap this is completely unusable

1:53:33 It is every single line, every single proposal has five to fifteen oppositions counter proposals by each country. So this is you know it's an ongoing conversation is what this is and here's the conversation... well America has copyright at 70 years after death and Mexico wants it to be a hundred but Venezuela or some other country who wants to be 95. It's like which, you know who gives a crap? But on cue! On cue! Everybody has their analysis ready so here is Electronic Frontier Foundation and I read this document really so here's how they... So they took one day to read it which is what took me TPP leak confirms the worst

1:54:32 US negotiators still trying to trade away internet freedoms! Alright, WikiLeaks is compromised and EFF is compromised and they're all working together. And the only thing I can find is this a red herring so everybody's focused on the wrong thing Do you think that copyright and Internet freedoms are important? You're gonna be running around like SOPA changing your icon. TPP, New World... What's happening is it's the gas you idiots! It's all about the gas to Japan and Asia and what they don't want you to do is see that the real negotiation, the 20 other chapters that Wikileaks couldn't get their hands on

1:55:19 That's where you're going to wind up with 50% of US gas production, which will frack you. Which will make your faucet burn and give you earthquakes from your super leftist Obot Green president! That is the part that is being covered up! You are focused in the wrong area! Of course it's a New World Order document but this is just to distract you and keep you busy and make you change your avatar This is not what is really important and this document, please trade away internet freedoms. Even the EFF couldn't point to much in the document they have all this here The leaked chapter features proposals for sending a new floor for copyright duration ranging from the already problematic US term of life of the author plus 70 years to an incredible life of the author plus 100 years proposed by Mexico

1:56:14 This is what you're worried about, by the way? What's wrong with that?! You have no copyrights! I don't mind holding on to my copyright a little bit longer. Oh no evil Disney we won't get to use the mouse... Why is that important? John am I missing something here? That's not such a big deal. Well I can give both sides- Please give me both sides. I have various feelings about this myself First of all the idea that copyrights were limited to 26 years from the date of creation not the day you die. So if you wrote something when, in your 20s and lived to be 100 this thing would be in copyright forever virtually The idea is that it was 26 years and then maybe renew it there That wasn't actually given... It wasn't the constitution essentially

1:57:06 You can renew it for another 26 years if you felt that the need to most people Did not feel the need to so after 20. The idea was that at 26 years art this applies to more than just writing art Cartoons would be included in phonograms as its constantly referred to in the document phonograms records of nether is music and also Writing would be pushed into the public domain so it could be enjoyed by everybody while it was still alive and It would influence the culture in a positive direction And so you want your copyrights to expire at even the guys should be able if you can't make your money in 26 to 52 years Renewing. If you can't make your money, your personal money for your creation in that period of time well Then you're a loser

1:57:57 Maybe your song just sucked. The copy, they figure well what can we do to make milk this? So the Disney guys are behind most of this is to change the law so they could keep their mouse and protect which they could do anyway with a trademark so it's not even that important but whatever the case was I didn't want people redistributing Sleeping Beauty on TV. Stop stop stop! Okay now Now, wait. Wait now on the other hand as a copyright or somebody who produces content I think it's kind of cool if i could...I own this forever and my kids can benefit from it after 100 years after I'm dead you know that's just good greedy perspective

1:58:44 Right. But it's not good for the society, it was this... The idea was that it's good for the society to incorporate public domain things into their into the structure of the future. Okay all right but let's move beyond this You know, but what I take... What I object to is first of all reporting like it's set in stone which is not. We're talking about things that have been hashed out for years 70 years 95 years you know okay but this not like this is a new debate This.. But the way this is being presented Is the New World Order is taking away our internet

1:59:24 And if you read the documents, it's kind of similar to what we have already. There are lots of fair use, there is talk about ISPs being... You can have like the DCMA So if you're just a vessel, you know? A carrier. Then you're not responsible for what's on there I mean it's all kind of the same stuff but this is being presented as You know this is what it's all about and and I'm seeing people literally Posting links... This is worth a read because we're being screwed! No, you're not! That was my link First of all you haven't read it

2:00:08 Because you want to slice your wrists halfway through. It's so boring and it's so repetitive. And yeah, you know sure there's some stuff in there about patents on drugs but it's not like it's anything new! The real deal here is oh so much bigger and it's going to wreck our earth! That's what makes me laugh that people don't understand that they're being tricked this is not a leak this is the purpose release Yeah, oh I'm sorry. Lady Gaga's album got leaked two days before it was supposed to come out! This is a PR move! Yeah no i'm not gonna argue with that because where's the rest of the document? What are they somehow glommed on to one thing?! And EFF is out the same day with this whole... and really they talk about all these things that are wrong with the patent system and copyright but they can't point to it in the document because it's really not there

2:01:09 That's what I'm... and then there is this, the agreement claims not to confine copyright limitations and exceptions further than earlier deals such as Berne Convention but early analysis from groups like Knowledge Ecology International. Now, Knowledge Ecology International who are these guys? They're funded by Rockefeller MacArthur Foundation The EFF was pointing to these guys seriously? MacArthur Grant And they also really can only... ... attending and mending the knowledge ecosystem. Knowledge Ecology International has obtained from WikiLeaks a complete copy of the consolidated negotiating text for the IP chapter of the Trans-Pacific Partnership, copy here on the WikiLeak site. The leaked text was distributed among their chief negotiators and then you know there's all kinds of background but then really it doesn't get into anything in the document itself

2:02:14 This is what I'm so interested in because the document is meh. I read it, John you know I read this you know I hate the new world order. You love reading this stuff! Yeah I hate these guys, I hate everything they stand for but when I read this I'm like how can you even make a report about this? It's a negotiation and everyone has it and you know everyone has a little thing in there Venezuela wants you know, wants it this way and Mexico wants it that way. And then we have... You know the just- It's crazy! It's not- You're being fooled please go ahead and read it. Read it then go and find all the things that these great analysis point to again the KEI guys 70 plus uh 70 years for natural persons and then oh it's like Mexico wants life plus 100 years

2:03:09 Whoo, that's just crazy talk. Really? This is what you're so upset about So I think it's a red herring and I think it's been set up by wikiLeaks Yeah, I think you made your point on the red herring part now I'm stuck on this knowledge ecology international site and I see what they're pointing to they're pointing to the kei analysis of WikiLeaks of TPP IPR text from August 30th 2013 so this has been This is the date is sketchy. There's a guy are you looking at the right thing? You're not looking Oh, oh yeah that is that is with it Yes That's guys that's when the tech the text is from august 30th But this they wrote this this has only just been leaked so this is why I know It just been leaked it was leaked on the 13th of november and then submitted And the guy who wrote the analysis that they're all point to is this guy I'm going To look him up now see if you can find anything about him james love

2:04:01 Really? James Love, NGO director. James Packard Love is the Director of Knowledge Ecology International formerly... oh wait a minute this is good. These guys are the New World Order! Formerly known as the Consumer Project on Technology Oh there you go. An NGO with offices in Washington DC and Geneva I'm telling you these guys are The New World Order and they're tricking you Let's look at their wiki At their Wikipedia entry Here. We are supported by grants from the Ford Foundation, the John D and Catherine T MacArthur Foundation, The Open Society Institute, the Rockefeller Foundation... Please! Don't you see what's going on? Don't take your analysis from these guys. Yeah talk about New World Order. Yeah Soros. It's like the laundry list.

2:04:55 Anyway, so before you go yelling and screaming about something have a read or just even just have a read of these We have a link to the show notes of several not just that but several of the Several of the analysis. So EFF Dan Gilmore then Gilmore This was in The Guardian I could do better than this Dan Gilmore writes his whole thing and he says well, I mean here The more you know about the odious Trans-Pacific Partnership, the less you'll like it. It's made for corporate intellectual property and profits! And then he has a picture of a woman with a SOPA sticker over her mouth... ...and then among the many betrayals of the Obama administration is its overall treatment of what many people refer to as intellectual property

2:05:48 And then again, he just really doesn't have anything new. No specifics? Nothing new and goes back to basically saying this is SOPA 2 or 3 or 9 or whatever! It's not it's just not it's a dumb document that has been dangled out there to get everyone all worked up Well, it seems to have worked. I'm worked up about it! Yeah you're more worked up than anyone but... We'll follow this, sounds like a...I think your dead on on this one This is just all be...you know some yeah It looks like PR. Everything's a PR stunt Bloomberg, I have a link to this Bloomberg article which is from earlier this year Getting Japan To Guzzle American Gas

2:06:29 And that's really, and it says... I said why so? Because Japan's non-tariff barriers protecting major sectors of the economy. The TPP aims to reduce all these barriers preferably to zero! Japan's inclusion in the trade pact will boost American exports create American jobs and make both economies more efficient now and well into the future." This is, and i had this conversation with Miss Mickey this morning, and this is the part that is weird coming out of my mouth but we really need this. I mean I don't want to live in a dead society. You know, America is not... well actually America's not a country! America is a business okay? Let's get that straight and that's why our president is called the Chief Executive and we have the Resource Extraction Unit which is the Pentagon And we have all these different- We're a business Get over yourself, we're a business An if you don't want to live in a dead broken bankrupt business then you want this thing to go through and you want us to essentially beat Russia at their own game

2:07:32 You want it to happen. We can start building from there, we really can but I have to say that we have to get this. Well here's what i see first of all these people complaining and tweeting and moaning and groaning accomplishes nothing they have no influence whatsoever its very rare that anything is ever accomplished like the SOPA thing keeps coming back If in one form or another if this isn't it it'll be something else and who cares the point is that there's a There is a lack of ability We're not the French the French when they see some sort of thing that they don't personally like

2:08:16 They do a little work, research on it. They don't just jump the gun and go crazy but then they do something. They burn trucks, they turn stuff over...they take action! We don't take any action whatsoever we just change our Twitter icon. You change your Twitter icon to green or purple or whatever it is Or black is my favorite one What's the point? Along with this comes an email that I received after our previous show Adam's gonna read his email on the No Agenda Show. And this is from, uh... I think Bridgette. Hi Adam! Whilst i love your show, I was shocked to hear that you are annoyed by homeless people holding up signs in the street

2:09:05 Now I would like to revisit and say that, I said i was annoyed by people holding up signs on the access roads to the highway that usually say, I'm not gonna lie. I need a beer! This is a matter very close to my heart and if you took the time to talk to one of these poor buggers you would find they did not choose to stand there They all have a very sad story to tell, and in the state they are in now filthy and depressed there is no way they can get a job unless someone helps them gives them a chance respects them. Not everyone has a talented musician worthy of your money! I do runs where I distribute food to homeless people and also stop and chat with them for 10 minutes or so when I have time it's much appreciated makes me feel good too you should try it!! Now

2:09:53 I need this beer get is that you think that was the voice that she had this woman, right? Yes She came back because I said you should listen again. This is my reply You should listen again what is on the sign Was it just a street or the entrance to the highway do I never give money Or do I just not give it under circuit certain circumstances and I give $5 standard to any musician above all this you are telling me you can't even spare five dollars for The No Agenda show look who's talking but she said she couldn't donate And then she comes back very defensive. Okay, so let me just say something...

2:10:49 Everybody, and this is so hypocrite. Everybody makes choices in their life you cannot tell me that you stop for every person who asks you money everyone makes a decision I am just not a hypocrite! I give my decisions up front and i help people who I want to and can help we're in a big play here everybody does have to play their role and everybody has your link in the chain Our link, what we do actually, what John and I do has been under attack for decades. You know just to open give you an honest analysis

2:11:27 and to help people understand what's going on. And that's what I decide to do on a daily basis, and if i decide only to give musicians then I hope someone else picks up the slack somewhere else but you come out and say that I'm mean or horrible for not giving money to everybody? Screw you! Everybody makes decisions... You just make it on the spur of the moment and you're embarrassed to say it Well, she got a nice job. Yeah. And then the thing that she doesn't even donate to our show ever is just galls me. That galls me. Yeah well she takes it... She's not really on board. She has...she's just looking for stuff to bitch about yeah? She's probably a miserable person. Well if not then I hope she is now

2:12:23 Hey, did you know... No. You will know this I was um Let me see did i find this in a It must have been an article? I'm going to read you the opening quote here from this article it was pretty good Uh let me just hold on let me tell you where the articles from first. It's the original NSA whistleblower and This is so typical of actually was in Gawker very surprising This is written by Adrian Chen title of the article, After 30 Years of Silence The Original NSA Whistleblower Looks Black. This is a guy named Perry Felwalk Have you ever heard this guy? No I thought...I knew all the whistleblowers but i guess not Check this out and this actually goes back to Bobby Inman which is kind of funny And there in 1972 was a rogue analyst some kid in his 20's describing the NSA business down to the colors of badges worn at its headquarters Winslow Peck which was his code name

2:13:21 Claimed that the NSA had broken all of the Soviets codes That the government's official account or the Vietnam War was a lie and that the agency was guilty of salacious corruption Quite a few people in the NSA are into illegal activities of one kind or another It's taken to be one of the fringe benefits of the job, you know enhancing your pocketbook smuggling People inside the NSA were even involved with the slave trade well Well, inside but the real money makers inside information. Of course! If I get to listen to all the phone calls I want to between like some hot shot let's say Carl Icahn or someone else and I get a heads up on something he is going to do next day Hey! I'm making money there were more there was more money made on 9-11

2:14:03 Oh yeah, that has never been... no one's ever uncovered how all these guys all of a sudden shorted all the airline stocks. No well conveniently all that information went down in building 7 Well Yeah This also goes into the Welch assassination Is any of this coming back? 72 is way too early for me I bet you were also a young man and probably doing other things at the time Right, it's led to believe that these other things were going to be beneficial. But this lead into the church committee Oh right the church committee which created the Congressional Oversight Committees which have sold out the American public Yes And I think Church was killed

2:14:50 Well it's a Welch assassination, I'm not familiar with this. The Welch assassination...I wrote some quotes here evidence of manipulation of the American press for the purpose of influencing events in the United States CIA successfully exploited the murder of one of its station chiefs to set back efforts to bring the CIA under constitutional control this was the outing of uh of CIA operatives this actually led to the law that you couldn't do that and he published uh... this uh... and uh... perry arms or what's his name period the roof crazy-named fell walk he published his account in rampart magazine does this mean anything to you yeah grandpa was the big guy the big kind of um... would you call it wasn't radical progressive who is

2:15:45 kind of the revolutionary, popular revolutionary magazine of its era. A lot of investigative or stuff it's kind of like devolved into what Mother Jones has become in fact I think part of it did become Mother Jones actually that could be whatever the case is not the same as it was it was pretty entertaining reading let me tell you so in 71-72 Felwod blew the whistle on Echelon that's what he uncovered The NSA at the time was a little-known organization, and amongst the most secretive of the US intelligence agencies. Felwalker revealed that it had significantly larger budget than the CIA and he was in turn motivated by Ellsberg's release of the Pentagon Papers. And so back in the day no one ever heard of SIGINT signals intelligence and this goes back to the five eyes So what's interesting is that none of this is really new This is... In fact it's almost like the same script is being played out

2:16:46 Maybe just with a different production team and maybe different financial backers Well, it seems like the same antagonists. The CIA not getting as much money as they want although they probably if you incorporate their drug money which we assume they use They probably have a huge budget but that is just still hurtful It seems yes that's the NSA a bunch of guys sitting at desks You know poking to you know typing in stuff it should be getting so much more money than then the agents That are supposedly running everything Well, the only thing I can say is that my god. I can't believe i didn't know this and all...I got a whole ton of links in the show notes about Perry Felwalk as the Rampart article which was titled US Electronic Espionage and Memoirs. And it's interesting because he didn't go to jail! He's still around you know there was no like come home and face the music. In fact that's probably the one thing

2:17:47 Edward Snowden, well he didn't do it wrong. I think he got jacked by Greenwald and buddies He got screwed That's why you know Well i think the laws were different then too they have been tough tightening and tightening this these the Senate and House committees have been passing all this you know this legislation on the side to tighten down because every time there's been a lot of whistleblowers I mean there was that guy then there's the guys that are more recent who, especially the one guy who got screwed by the FBI and they tried to throw him in jail forever. And every time a new guy comes along they tighten and tighten so if you say anything that's why we have every other document now done by government is security needs security clearance to read it when it's just a list of birthdays right I mean the whole thing has been screwed up So I think back in the day this guy could probably do more stuff now he can't do anything

2:18:42 But it's really interesting and I think it's almost required reading for anyone today just to understand where all of this comes from. So Bobby Inman He ran the NSA. This is what I mean... Yeah, and gee it seems to me that there's a guy living right down the street from him that could go knock on his door have a nice little conversation! And i'm gonna do that because i'm going to call Uncle Don who has mentioned that Inman is a very good friend of his and so here's what happened So Inman, okay? I think he left the NSA in a huff. He was pissed off because the Israelis bombed or

2:19:22 they blew up the ship that had NSA on it. What ship was that? It was... Liberty. Liberty, yes and he got really pissed off and he left now what's funny is that here in Austin I've mentioned Bobby Inman to several people and what always comes back is oh yeah so all the boys know Bobby Yeah And that's funny because if you read Perry Felwalk's article At the time when the NSA was recruiting people, and they were recruiting just smart kids. The only thing they were worried about was homosexuality that seemed to be really hung up on that for some reason So I don't know if that was in direct relation to Inman running it then or whatever it was but you know there's some crazy crap going on in all of these divisions And if you have kids let me tell you You have to teach your kids

2:20:19 how to run their own stuff and you've got to let them... understand how an operating system works and give them, let them mess around with Linux. Let them understand how the internet works and please educate them that it's not all these centralized services like Facebook and Twitter you've got to arm your children with some real knowledge of how stuff works because they won't survive if if they just continue on this trip that we're placing everybody on So we have to change your timeline. I'm just looking some stuff up while you're yakking, which is and let's face it That's all I'm doing here. You're yacking um now you're revealing interesting information But he was the director of the National Security Agency from 77 to 81 The USS Liberty that wasn't earlier 67 oh that can't be that and then after he quit the NSA He went to the CIA as a deputy director left there in he was angry. I remember he was angry

2:21:17 This is what Don told me. He said he was angry and he left because, he thought something was bullcrap It's not in his wiki page of course No I gotta meet with this guy it would have taken place in 82 And so I don't know what happened at age you maybe that was during the Reagan administration That's how old he's 82 now speaking of 82. I got to get to him quick Yeah geez man um But he was also on... Wait a minute. He might be a great guy to have a beer with! Oh, I'll bet he is It's just that i gotta find the right reason for the introduction You want to talk to him? Yeah it's true Just say you've always been a big fan Don't say that No People don't need to see fans We're not gonna say that That's not a good idea Big fan Hey, got a good Rick Perry rumor for ya Here in Texas everyone wants to know Is he gonna- Cause he's not gonna run for governor Ya know where his address

2:22:18 He is a cross-dresser, that is pretty much confirmed. So everyone wants to know now that he's not going to run for governor again of course will he run for president? And I heard that he has been offered the chairmanship of the NRA The National Rifle Association That's a good gig It could be interesting right From our Clooney files I've promised you more art is coming More art will be discovered until the release of the movie In fact, I can reveal to you that between 60 and 80 art pieces will be returned to their rightful owners at the premiere in Los Angeles and Berlin. Yeah! These guys are so smart this is such a great setup And...I might get invited to the premiere How are YOU gonna get invited to the premier? What do ya mean?!

2:23:18 Yeah! What do I mean? Because I keep talking, because I keep promoting the movie. What are you talking about? Hello?! Who's going to invite you to the premiere? The people who are helping Clooney find all of the art... ...are insiders. How else do I know this stuff? Hmm. Yeah no and so I'm gonna- Maybe have a little chat with George while your there and- That has been well I'm not gonna go if can't have a chat with George that's the whole point it was pretty good interview with him in uh I think its Esquire maybe

2:23:56 or Vanity Fair and it's funny because the whole, he comes across as a really nice gay guy. I mean it's just the thing that is not mentioned in there. No he seems like a nice enough guy yeah totally nice but you know global warming stooge oh well he's just that's just what he does now so okay yeah So I got a Five Eyes program clip The only people talking about Five Eyes besides you a minute ago, and you might want to explain what that is since we haven't really discussed it at all on the show. Or we can play this clip from Russia Today which obviously is prejudice about the whole thing but its kind of interesting

2:24:40 According to the Snowden leaks, UK intelligence was able to monitor up to 600 million communications every day. And they weren't the only ones who had access to them 850 thousand NSA employees and private US contractors could also dig into UK databases Now as Kanwichi Chan explains Britain wasn't alone either in helping Washington keep an eye on the world Intelligence services of five English-speaking countries have joined resources to spy on the whole world The US is the most resourceful. Its closest ties are with Britain's GCHQ, but Canada Australia and New Zealand are also contributing. Australia backs up Washington by keeping tabs on Asian countries from the documents leaked by Edward Snowden we learned that Australian embassies across Asia Pacific host this highly sensitive intelligence collection program as part of the Five Eyes network it's not just terrorists that the Five Eyes are looking for

2:25:37 A former Australian intelligence officer privy to the program said, the main focus is political diplomatic and economic intelligence. Oh yeah thank you very much! The main focus? So there's no terrorism angle to this? No it's all about keeping America safe... It's about economic well hold on that's all a matter of opinion I interpret that as keeping America safe by stealing other countries money Well, let's do that well. Yeah or sucker them into deals that we you know renege on and we have a lot of tricks when you hear about this stuff ask the American Indians what they think of our hard deals oh yeah no our deals even casinos eventually so they shouldn't be complaining anymore but when you so when I hear

2:26:26 when you hear congressmen and women talking about, you know the Chinese spying and it's true. For them it's really important they're not spying on you or I or oh shut up Don Raff we going to steal a Noah Jenner show! We make that just like them no but what they are stealing is... What was that? That was uh... Don Raff! Rojito from the 40s? Yeah anyway go on Not one of my best What they are stealing is technology, like the rockets that they're now selling to Turkey. You know that is essentially our stuff and so all of this... we are in the other camp! All the politicians, all the big captains of industry it's all about them and their stuff no one cares about us did you see? Now turkey this is funny

2:27:20 has asked NATO to extend the Patriot deployment near the Syrian border, I'd be like hey Turkey bitch go get your Chinese stuff. Put that to protect you! Yeah Turkey needs to be called out on that you're right and i figured out the Jimmy Kimmel thing why he was apologizing... first we thought it was for promotion he was apologizing about the uh the kids table kill everyone in China joke yeah ah I finally figured it out I didn't know we had anything to figure out here. Yeah, it just stumbled upon it so why he's had to apologize as you know the network has apologized its case see apologies everywhere why well what Network is Jimmy Kimmel on? He's on ABC which is what conglomerate Disney and What are we building in Shanghai Oh Disneyland Shanghai Disney World yep actually have an article oh let's make them Kowtow to us yeah

2:28:23 Yeah, because you know we don't want to mess that up. We don't want to mess it up No This is the despicable thing about the media nowadays is that there's all these little you can't do a joke or you did and somebody said oh You know we're gonna Let's let's get to see one get a better deal out of Disney by making a fuss over this Jimmy Kimmel kids Exactly and now they can be all acting in a huff cuz I'll tell you there was say the Chinese people holding up signs with ABC logos on it you know like the Chinese people in China are thick-skinned they have a superiority complex they don't think they can be very hard to insult, to be honest about if you go over there you can try and I remember one time i wrote a call for PC magazine where I took the I took the who's on first gag from Abbot Costello and did a thing of

2:29:17 because I just returned from Taiwan. So, I did a thing on Xi's on first which is Stan Xie the head of Acer and Hu Ho was on second at this kind of thing. The same joke with the Chinese names right? And it was actually quite well constructed it was very funny One of the editors said you're good. He said I'm gonna run this but you're gonna get in trouble They're gonna be nothing, but complaints about this because it's like racist or whatever they said right not one single person Said anything now? I'm going to record we're going to see uncle Don and Aunt Meg We have to do a trip to New York and its time You know these people are in their 80s

2:30:00 And I don't know, he's written his book but I think he is having trouble getting it published. So i'm going to have to work on him because I want to publish it God do I want to publish that book! But I am going to record him doing one of his Asian accents Oh god He was ambassador to Korea and does this thing about shitabajo which I can't do but I'm gonna record the shitabajo story He has so many of them and he doesn't care No, a lot of people don't care. I personally find it very offensive. Yeah...I fell across something and looked it up to figure out what was going on this was a State Department briefing you know how I love to watch them. Jen Psaki is back

2:30:52 Yay, yay. Let's see if I can crank this up loud enough so you can get the question clearly an anti Hillary move Device ProPublica has a story saying that it has asked the State Department to release the names of The so-called special government employees at the State Department these are people as State Department jobs who can also receive income from outside sources. Are you hearing this, what this is about? Yeah I hear it very well as a matter of fact he's asking the question about double dipping Yes these special government employees and as it turns out the State Department has 100 special government employees They can be on their government dole and they can also be on some corporate dole

2:31:44 Yes. Well, in fact if you look up the definition some ethics provisions that allow to executive branch employees apply differently to any employee who qualifies as a SGE special government employee this was this category was created in 1962 And as defined, SGE is an officer or employee who was retained designated appointed or employed to perform temporary duties with or without compensation for not more than 130 days during any period of 365 consecutive days. The SGE category should be distinguished from other categories of individuals who serve executive brands agencies. So this is basically saying that, you know someone may have a great job somewhere but we really need them in government they're really special really really special so we can bring them in for no more than 130 days on temporary basis This question by the way is about one special government employee in particular Uma Abedin

2:32:48 Ah, good. Because my next clip will be right in that same league. Perfect! So Uma Abedin was working for the huge consultancy that Bill Clinton was a part of at the same time she was the body man for Secretary of State Hillary Clinton I doubt she was only on the road 130 days of any 365 but this is... Not if it's Hillary, that's bull crap Exactly And I have a feeling that this is part of the, you know getting ready to do anything to stop Hillary Clinton vibe whoever is behind it. But that's why this of course is cropping up and you can look out for it now but we'll also find out there were at least 100 other special government employees and astounding that these waivers are made in government

2:33:40 that people can play both sides and essentially enrich themselves or their industries and their businesses with inside information. It should be stopped So, that's it? That was the clip? There is more to it but... Okay well let me play a couple clips I got here about one of the experts consultants said was on this was on Van Cat French TV And this is just some interesting discussions about what went wrong in the Middle East it starts with this one clip of how the USA sides with the Muslim Brotherhood and the reason it's interesting to me is because Uma Abedin who was a consultant to Hillary during this era where all that Arab Spring took place, has clear ties to the Muslim Brotherhood. And she is connected to the Muslim Brotherhood so let's just play a couple these clips. This by the way is part of

2:34:36 the Klipp Blitz. And that instead decided to support the Islamic fundamentalists or groups such as the Muslim Brotherhood it's really quite difficult to understand why Washington and European capitals would do something like that? That is an absolutely amazing question we are still trying to answer it not just one book I hope there will be other authors who will go investigate inside of governments both in France, United States and elsewhere In my view, the West in general made three mistakes. Number one we did not understand that civil society was ready for an uprising and at least we completely relied either on the regimes Mubarak on the one hand or Assad on the other hand and we did not partner except with Islamists so when the first cycle came in Egypt Libya Tunisia a little bit of Syria it was truly young people women minorities We saw them on TV

2:35:32 But immediately after that, the Islamists well organized very sophisticated took over. The massive mistake we made was what we concentrated everything on those Islamist our advisors both in Washington and Brussels told us the Islamist are an agent of reform and revolution but it took Washington a long time before they decided to push Mubarak out for example That time precisely I mentioned in my book as long as these were not the Islamists leading the movement and the Brotherhood were on their side, if you remember. Then the advisors in the White House and other places said let's wait and see when the Brotherhood moved in became in the center of Tahrir Square then Mr. Mubarak was called to leave which means, to me that the partnership between The Brotherhood and the advisors of the administration is a long one it's not just an ad hoc one Oh yeah has been going on for decades Yeah we're right bed with the guys who are supposedly protecting ourselves from And let's go to part two What what's the name of this guys book?

2:36:33 It's called Arab Spring Islamist Winter. Catchy title! Yeah, I thought so too. Alright this part two needs set up? I know, it's just a little more logic here. But it seems difficult to believe that as they say the United States would have such a policy what interest is it for the United States and Western Europe to have Islamist fundamentalists in power in the Middle East? Well actually today's opposition in the Arab world are counter-arguing so its not even the experts, the seculars in Egypt, the seculars in Tunisia if we hear what they're saying They will tell you we have no been received

2:37:11 even before the Arab Spring, I mean how many delegations were received in Washington? The State Department, National Security Council and the White House. Not speaking about the Congress but the Congress did try to receive they will tell you it's uniquely Muslim Brotherhood but within NGOs within other NGOs The real reason is that there was a theory that Islamists are well organized and that Islamists would eventually stop the Jihadists meaning work with moderates we have been told that Islamists are moderate they will be your real wall to stop the jihadists. We did not understand that it's one ideology, one with a weapon and one without. So then I use the word so...

2:37:52 what he's saying here and if you remember during this period it was true they only brought over people the only people they brought to talk to Washington which all the right-wing talk show guys went ballistic about but they didn't understand the mechanism were Muslim Brotherhood guys. They never brought anybody else over nobody was received as the guy says, and now the interesting little last little tidbit here is the part is the third part of this a little talk where he mentions that it was almost as if pulling out of Iraq when they pulled out, was to let the Iranians be able to cross Iraq. To go help the Syrians... The Assad regime or no I'm sorry to help the Syrian radicals you would just play this and you'll see it's just a weird coincidence right all this is just keeping these same problems in play. Coincidence? I think not!

2:38:50 Another point in your book, you say that President Obama missed an opportunity to fix the Syrian conflict before withdrawing troops from Iraq. In what way could he have fixed that given that it was out of the question then as it is now to send troops to Syria? Precisely we had the troops around and didn't have to send any more troops What I was arguing about when this Syrian opposition or the Syrian uprising began was in March of 2011 and President Obama wanted to withdraw all forces from Iraq by the end of 2011. So, to the east of Syria, to the east of President Assad's regime you had coalition forces and by the mere fact that we have separated Syria from Iran help was not coming to the Assad regime. We had our air bases in Iraq. We were present in Iraq

2:39:41 Turkey in the north, Jordan in the south. Six feet in the Mediterranean The Assad regime itself would have started to make significant concessions because this is geopolitics What does that mean? What he's saying is that it's almost as if we, if we would have helped Syria early like with the other operations where we just waited and waited until the Muslim Brotherhood took over. There was really...the opposition at that time was only consisting of you know true Syrians that were into democracy and they were secularists but But to allow the Iranians to meddle and also anyone else who wanted to get in, keep this thing going. He's suggesting that

2:40:25 Our goal is to put radical Islamists into these power spots. Not let Assad stay there, not let some normal people take over the place but only Islamist and so by pulling out of Iraq and letting the people flow from Iran across into Syria to screw things up more so it could be in a situation devolve into a situation similar to Egypt his basic thesis is that we're behind, I mean I've always thought it was just to create lots of rubble but we're apparently for some reason behind mostly Muslim Brotherhood types taking over the place and because supposedly we've been convinced that these people are not the same as the other bad Islamists.

2:41:17 and why do you think that is? Why do you think... I'm just thinking Uma Abedin. Right, but when you say... I think it's a corruption. I don't think that we know what we're doing! piece of impartial of the Muslim Brotherhood which was once a violent organization. These are Islamists just posing as peace lovers, but we saw this would happen when this guy got in there's a head of Egypt he immediately started trying to institute surreal law and change things on the books and cause nothing but trouble, make people wear head scarves and all the rest of it. It happened in Tunisia! Tunisia is even a better example. Well that's where it kind of started but I think here's the sad thing... Of course it's corruption, it's about money, it's about whatever

2:42:10 But that these people, and I'll say the Clintons, the Bushes and Obama... They don't understand the history. of these cultures, these religions, these regions. And I think they just have like man whatever we'll deal with it when it happens like we can always bomb them out of existence or whatever. I think it's a hubris that they really don't understand what these people are about. You're probably right because there so easily influenced by people with a clue and I would put Uma Abedin into that category she has a clue She's got a lot more But talking about

2:42:48 not understanding cultures, I think we should probably listen to this clip which is the India Justice Minister. Okay... This story came in from India the country's top law enforcement officer is under fire for saying this during a news conference about legalizing gambling of all topics central Bureau of Investigation chief Ranjit Sinha said and we quote If you can't prevent rape, you might as well enjoy it. He says he was talking about gambling and his comment was taken out of context. The comments caused immediate outrage across India not too long ago there were huge protests after the deadly gang rape of a young medical student on the New Delhi bus. Ah yes! The Curry-Dvorak Consulting Group's Crisis Management Division could be called to task for this one

2:43:40 They need to get that guy out of the country. What a dick, okay? What a dick! Clip blitz here is VJ44 the true president of the United States of America highest advisor to the President Valerie Jarrett as she dances around the healthcare website deadline at the end of November Oh the countdown clock yes healthcare dot gov You have a good memory unfortunately So clearly a lot of... You have good memory, unfortunately. I can't believe you're asking me that! Smart people in positions of power were highly focused on the idea of making sure the website worked and clearly it hasn't worked the way you or many people would hope What can you tell us now that would give us some confidence

2:44:24 the next few weeks will be different from the last few and that you guys have figured out how to fix it. It's a fair question I mean obviously there is no one more frustrated than the president that the website hasn't lived up to our expectations but he has taken immediate action of bringing in a team to help supplement the teams there. Jeff Zients, who has a lot of history in the business community starting up companies managing did an excellent job when he worked for the administration as performance officer and two stints ahead of the office budget management is over there now full time working with a team of innovators to try to correct the problems and we are seeing progress and it's complicated its challenging but

2:45:03 The president has made it very, very clear that we're going to just keep grinding away at it until we get it right. And uh... We are looking towards the end of the month to see substantial progress and Jeff feels comfortable that we are on target for that. Whoooooo! Screwed! Wait wait who? Who made her king?! Hello? She's always thinking. Tell me you're going to get objective reporting from any network when you hear a commercial like this on CBS, this is CBS. Help their loved ones that story is next This portion of the CBS Evening News is sponsored by Walmart where over 400 people are promoted every day That's the real Walmart Promoted to the death camp? What? They're promoted every day and that's the real Walmart Apparently it's just a promotion machine. I think we should end it right there John Okay, we can do that

2:45:59 That is, there you go. Your mainstream media just a promotion machine is getting worse by the minute You can only turn to the people that you trust the most which hopefully is us sometimes Well we certainly try and we really do We read, we analyze and we take no money from nobody but use guys and gals Thank you so much And will do it again on Sunday I've got some Euroland stuff Agenda 21 common core stuff kind of funny. This is what your kids will be dealing with in school unless we can stop to it and L and I'll be coming to you from Amsterdam hey, that's right leaving tomorrow even on a jet plane That's right so all things willing everything goes well We should be talking to you from Amsterdam And I think we have a like a 10-hour difference because they haven't changed in time zone there for daylight saving time yeah

2:47:03 It'd be fun. So I'll start at 7 p.m in the morning coming to you from FEMA region 6 here in Austin, Texas In the morning, I'm Adam Curry and from Northern Silicon Valley which is FEMA Region 9 Is that what we are? I don't know. I can't...I think so. Yeah it's depressing. I'm John C Dvorak We'll talk to you again on Sunday right here on The Best Podcasts in The Universe On No Agenda Adios mofo On the best podcast in the universe The best podcast in the universe Dvorak.org slash N-A-V-O-R-K