Assume the Position

00:00 She is such a douche and an idiot. Adam Curry, John C. Dvorak. It's Thursday, August 15th, 2013. Time for your Gitmo Nation Media Assassination Episode 539-er. This is no agenda. Sink in my BM keys to my BT sink here in the Travis Heights hideout in the capital of the drone star state. Austin Tejas in the morning everybody, I'm Adam Curry. And from Northern Silicon Valley where I'm nine dog biscuits over five, I'm John C. Dvorak. That's because you're pumping out 35 whiskeys. I was not doing ham speak by the way. I was that what all the cool kids are now on the BM No, you were talking about did you know what I was talking about no? I'm sinking my BM keys to my BT sync. What does that even mean have you not followed along with a new? Bit message no oh my god

00:56 Oh, I'm sure I'm missing out. Yeah, this is you know, Molly would even wrote about it and and credited no agenda Which is like we invented this No, no, we did not invent it, but we're using it. We have a thriving community. So imagine Email bit torn email. Okay. I'm imagining it. Okay, that's what it is That's what it is So you got an email client and it's peer-to-peer and instead of... you don't get like John at Dvorak.org, you get a really long number which of course someone else can store in their own address book as Dvorak or whatever. Do I get a Bitcoin? In fact it works on the same principle as Bitcoin. I was trying to avoid that right off the bat so you wouldn't ridicule it without me getting at least to the crux of it.

01:54 But it's great. So it's email without any bullcrap email providers in the middle and you know because it's all encrypted it's secure. I mean although I'm not that I'm not interested in so much in the secure part as in you know there's like no Google in the middle. It's just it's like you can send stuff and you know you can use you can broadcast to people who subscribe to your address so it's like RSS And you can also kind of follow people like Twitter. It's phenomenal. And of course, the NoAgenda community jumps in with two hands, two feet at the same time. It's really working. It's cool. You have it on a thumb drive. You jam it into USB slot and there's your... So we're all spies now. Yeah.

02:42 It's really good. I'm switching to that. If you really want to say something to me, if you want to expect an answer, then you have to get on the bit message. And of course, you know, so you can also do channels. This goes through torrents or something. How does it work? Okay, so it's it's just like Bitcoin. So it's peer-to-peer. So it is like Bitcoin like I was right. Yeah, that's what I say. It's the same system the same idea the same except it has multiple streams and there's a couple of improvements over the original concept of do I have to mine to get my address? No, but what is nice is when you send someone a message an email

03:22 you have to, you know, there's a statement of work so yet you're doing some encryption so it's very unattractive for spammers. I would think. Yeah, so this is really, it's quite groovy. I'm sure it's very groovy. I would assume this would be actually great if you didn't still have to go to the legacy systems to actually get your mail from your mom. Well, but the whole idea is that if, you know, it kind of looks like email and if you just say here just use this The only thing that's different is you don't have a you at domain dot-com address. Although there's people already have set up gateways and stuff so you can use that. It kind of defeats the purpose. But the whole idea of sending email without an email provider or the email infrastructure in the middle, it's nice. I like it. And no spam.

04:18 And of course we have this channel because you can set up channels and you know there's everyone ever since you know I've been blogging about it and then Molly Wood wrote us an article that we got a lot of traction then people are showing up and of course question number three on the on the no agenda channel can you guess? How do I get a number? No! Is JCD here yet? Oh. You got to get on this thing you'll like it. I'm gonna love it Come on. Don't be so skeptical. This is this is not skeptical. I was I said I'm gonna love it. I'm pretend. I'm Dutch All right

04:59 If ever if you pretended I was Dutch then you wouldn't be able to criticize me for what you consider my sarcasm right because the Dutch always sound kind of sarcastic and and harsh, but they're not no they're all they just tell like it is but they have the sarcastic tone because they speak flat. Yeah, it's it is kind of annoying the way they drive people crazy when they first go there like why did the Dutch so kind of Why they hate me? That's what I say to Mickey every day. Why do you hate me? I did that too. There's a bar, there's this cute little bar that serves just elixirs in an old town in Amsterdam and it's only open on Fridays and Saturdays. What's the name of this place?

05:40 Can't remember I got photos so anyway. Yeah, I don't even know if it has a name But anyway you go in there places packed with a bunch of Dutch and this woman who runs the place she just seems so mean but she's She's the worst-case scenario for this and actually got him and I know it I understand it, but it got on my nerves so much I said why you so mean to all the Americans who come in here. She got very offended by that I am NOT mean I don't care what you say, you crazy American. I'm not mean to you. I love you from the bottom of my heart. And from my wife's bottom too. So anyway... There's a very funny book. It's for expats. I think the Dutch ambassador gave it to me. Something like that. But it's a book about all of the crazy things that Dutch expats say in America.

06:37 that are, you know, that just come across completely wrong. That's cool. Yeah, I can imagine. Hey, happy Virgin Mary teleported to heaven day, John. Is that right? Is this the day of the Virgin Mary? It's the, I'd never heard of this, Assumption of Mary Day. Oh the Assumption? This is the Assumption? Today's the Assumption? It's a major Catholic event. Yes, and in fact I think France, some of the financial markets may be closed because Trevor who usually sends me like this financial tip sheet He sends me a note, he says, oh you know, happy assumption of Mary day. You know, I don't have anything today. I'm like, Thursday, what's the problem? No, no, no, it's a big holiday. And this I guess is where God said, Mary, your job is done. Come on up. You know, I think that's what it is. It's possible. I don't know what the, I don't remember. I used to be a Catholic.

07:37 And why did you give it up? Well? I don't you know this is another mystery I've been I always want to try to remember what I'd last time. I went to a church to a Stopped into a church. I saw along the way God damn Okay, okay, I don't remember when I Quit wait a minute wait a minute. You know you never really quit according to the galley former This is new information yeah, were you raised a Catholic by your parents? Oh? No I chose to be a cat no wait what

08:18 This makes so much sense wait a minute when you were in third grade and at this point you're what nine I'm going to be a Catholic I say yeah, they probably said something exactly like that. They would have figured out Let me guess you you wretched here's here's that is a process like hey, what's this book hmm? Several hours later. Hey, this is pretty good. I think I'll become a Catholic I So interesting so the assumption of Mary into heaven informally known as the assumption according to beliefs of the Roman Catholic Church and parts of Anglicism it was the bodily taking up of the Virgin Mary into heaven at the end of her earthly life. All right so yeah I find it peculiar

09:09 Why? Well because everybody have been having supposedly they're just the souls and the spirits and they get some body up there some person wandering around I think it'd be annoying. Well that's not it's said the bodily taking is what it says right? You're right. Up she goes. a teleportation exactly what I said let's look at it. So then what is she gonna do now? She's like, she can't get around. I think you can move around a lot faster if you didn't have the body hooked to you. So according to the book of knowledge which you know this thing has like links in it and if you click on it and it takes you to another thing it's really quite amazing. So they have this link for the bodily taking up and you go you click on that it's amazing how this works and I get entering heaven alive

09:54 The concept of entering heaven alive, known as assumption, is a belief held by multiple religious and traditions. That's not quite English. Since death is generally considered the normal end to an individual's life on earth, entering heaven without dying first is considered exceptional and usually a sign of God's special recognition of the individual's pey-tee. Pey-tee? Piety. Piety. What is piety? Wait, it's linked. Piety. It's virtue. Wow. This Wikipedia thing is pretty cool. Yeah, I use it all the time. But there's something you can't quite rely on it. You mean it's not really fact? It's a lot of bogus information. But generally speaking. I don't think this one, the assumption of Mary Page has got too much bull crap. Anyway, so that's why anyway, and interesting to learn that that you were that and you were nine, you decided to be a Catholic.

10:52 Yes, it's a decision. My parents were, you know, my dad was a, they were Catholics I think when they were kids, but they were, they weren't the most religious people in the world, very skeptical. And especially my father who said, he says, whole side of the family quit going to church when they started, where you had to actually pay to get into the church, is one church apparently. Minnesota he said he had to pay so that that was it is that where you're from that's like in fact That's what we do at this show We don't you know most like if you want to go to a movie you have to get a pay up front You get a seat up front with that with just only reviews from Yelp we on this show Which I think is a much more Spiritual show than a typical movie. Thank you. You don't have to pay for

11:40 to listen to this podcast. I think we're on par with the Catholic Church, with spirituality. There you go. Well, we are working. We work a lot. We work on holidays and now we're working on the Assumption. We're working on the Lord's Day. We work on the Assumption. We work. I don't know what that says about us, but... It means we need money. We can't afford not to work. Well, there's certainly enough to talk about, once again. Yeah, there's quite a few things that went on. It was kind of kind of I had kind of like research days before we go into the news I let's just start right off the bat with something I think we should do just to kind of lighten things up since we're talking about religion I mean now you have to go shift gears. I have an ask Adam. Oh hold on a second I have an ask Adam jingle John C Devorah's got a burning question What should we do? Ask Adam

12:38 Yes, you have a burning question John. Okay, you tell me what this is. Is that my cue? Yeah, that was your cue. Zero Two Nine Eight Seven Seven Nine Two

13:19 Isn't he supposed to say I buried Paul It's it's out because this one of those number stations from the from the short waves, that's what you'd think yeah, it's not though apparently What is it? What is that? Aha? I don't know. Yeah you oh you've stumped me by golly again This is a capture oh Wow did you That's interesting. I've never I guess I never click on the little speaker icon exactly I always thought they were gonna read the what there was on the screen No, it that what you heard is a number is the speaker. Oh, oh, this is the capture version of making the letters almost in unintelligible yeah

14:05 and the funny thing is that the capture that's on the screen which is a bunch of screwed up, this was I think from Google, a bunch of screwed up letters, the capture that they play is different. They just don't read what is on the screen. That's interesting. How degenerate are we as a society to leave a comment? A comment people, just a comment, and even if it is, you suck. that you have to listen to that and the captures have to go. Who knows what it's telling you? Please enter this word, these letters in sequence and you know it's like yeah when you actually have to go to your wife like honey what letter do you think this is? It's defeating the purpose.

14:52 No, it's ridiculous. In fact, many of these things are unintelligible and you can't read them and you always get it wrong and so no wrong wrong and then there's the other one which I kind of... Wait a minute, wait a minute. Now if the website actually would would start talking, go, no, wrong, wrong. Then it would be entertaining. Then I would kind of, I would like it. More entertaining than it is. But then there's the other one that says 12 plus three equals. Yeah. Which I think is actually a better one. Although I guess you can beat that too by a machine. And, but this is, this is to combat spam. Yeah. Right. Yeah. And, and, and, uh, scrapers.

15:33 I was there you that you learn something today people don't read cuz I really I never clicked on I just think this thing kept coming up I could not read it for the life of me so I clicked on the little speak and what do you remember what you were trying to do we were trying to comment I was trying to say hi or something hey yes well very nice you know I do what we're kind of on on that track then let's let's ease something very very almost disturbing happened And you know, there's a lot of people well, there's two parts of the story I guess so a lot of people Are of course listen really to what we talk about on the show which on one hand is really nice and they say You know this whole thing this whole trip you're on about the president and his you know He's always saying his his number one priority is to protect the American people and like no and you know and we of course keep citing you know this the oath that he takes and you know that really his only job is to defend protect and uphold the Constitution and

16:34 And now people get in my face about it, John, which is a little annoying. And they're like, well, you know, it's he says as commander in chief. Yeah, okay, commander in chief. And then I usually just send them Article Two of the United States Constitution where, you know, it shows what his duties are. The commander-in-chief and have you ever looked at them his duties the president's duties as commander-in-chief supposed to be the commander-in-chief He's not supposed to do anything else. He just has meetings. He's supposed to take he's supposed to take their meetings Yeah, here here is the president shall be commander-in-chief of the army and Navy of the United States and of the militia of several states or whatever that means we should figure that one out and

17:14 When called into the actual service of the United States, he may require the opinion in writing of the principal officer in each of the executive departments. So he can solicit memos upon any subject relating to the duties of their respective offices. So he can say, hey, could you please write me a memo about how you're doing? And he shall have the power to grant reprieves and pardons for offenses against the United States except in cases of impeachment. And that's it. And that's it. So, you know, this whole thing, it's not true. Except in cases of impeachment. Yeah, so if he's being impeached, he can't pardon himself. I think that's the... Oh, what about if he... The way I read it, that means that Gerald Ford couldn't pardon Richard Nixon if he was... That could be... But he never got impeached, never mind. Well, that's interpretation. That's interpretation. Boy, you're almost taking this in a different direction. In fact, why don't we do that? Before I go anywhere, let's go to Holder then.

18:11 So this was a very interesting thing that happened and the analysis of it I think is pretty much incorrect just about everywhere. Attorney General Holder, he's the number one dude in the justice system in the United States of Gitmo Nation, and he does a speech at the ABA, the American Bar Association, which is the lawyer guild. It was right here. Yes, it was. It was in Moscone Center West. And Hillary Clinton, she got an award. She's a lawyer. So she got an award and her face looks great. It really does. It looks really, really good. As long as she doesn't smile too hard. And Holder starts off with, and I've always wondered about the profession of law.

19:02 I really love reading legal documents, trying to understand them. The internet has made it really easy to Google stuff and find out what things mean and look at case law and really get a handle on stuff. I think lawyers go to school for a number of years and they learn kind of a different language and then they can charge, if you can get a job as a lawyer, which seems to be harder, you can charge a lot of money for your services. It's kind of like an interpreter. But I found the thing that Holder was talking about, and I'm going to presume you didn't see it, it was kind of like, really? Do you really think that you're all that and a bag of chips? From its earliest days, our republic has been bound together by this system and by the values that define it. These values, equality,

19:51 opportunity and justice under law were first codified in the United States Constitution. So now listen very carefully what he's saying here. And this is something that bothers me enormously because I've always learned that our society here in the United States is based on the Constitution. Not on values. I've heard this values thing, you know, and you hear that a lot in Europe You know, what's the values of our society and no values are I mean if you want to call the Constitution values Okay, then so be it but that's it then then values equals Constitution there's not like some extra values thing that go that's going around then here he's saying well it started off with the Constitution but really you know you know that was just kind of like training wheels and you know you work well way before you go on with that let me finish it thought that thought

20:40 You know, what's interesting to me about this, and I do have a Holder clip too but it's a little different, is that this is the kind of thing that the Republicans began pushing. Yes. Which is values. Values, family values, family values. Bringing the church back into it and throwing all these extracurricular elements into the, what would normally be pretty straightforward constitutional stuff. Exactly. And using it to leverage voters. And so the Democrats always moaned about this. They constantly moaned about it. But now, the shoe is on the other foot. Yes, the shoe is on the other foot and in fact it is being used specifically for a group of voters. But let's listen to a bit more of what I consider to be hubris.

21:25 and they were renewed and reclaimed nearly a century later by this organization's earliest members. Now, if I'm hearing him correctly, he's saying a hundred years after the Constitution was written, a hundred years later, they were renewed Guess version 2.0, and I guess you know that the American Bar Association Now is the Constitution am I am I just overly sensitive? Am I overly sensitive or is that I think you are I don't I'm not so sure first codified in the United States to it again for a second and they were renewed and Reclaimed nearly a century later reclaimed the reclaimed. What does that reclaimed Rick? I guess they had fallen down

22:11 They were reclaimed. It's like a repo, man. Well, now the thing is a wreck. Let's reclaim it. We'll polish this up. By this bullcrap. Organization. ... earliest members. With the founding of the ABA in 1878, America's leading legal minds came together for the first time. to revolutionize there, to revolutionize our profession. Ooh, little gaff there. In the decades that followed, they created new standards for training and professional conduct, and they established the law as a clear and focused vocation at the heart of our country's identity. Now, throughout history, Americans of all backgrounds and walks of life have turned to our legal system to settle disputes

23:01 but also to hold accountable those who have done wrong and even to answer fundamental questions about who we are and who we aspire to be as a people. That's the first question I have whenever I meet a lawyer. Could you please help me? Who are we? Who are we as a people? You, you member of the ABA, you can help me. I don't like to harp on lawyers too much, but I think Holder gives lawyers a bad name. Particularly when you hear how he cannot read a teleprompter. Even as we see most crime rates decline, we need to examine new law enforcement strategies and better allocate resources to keep pace with today's continuing threats as violence spikes in some of our greatest citizens. How are your greatest citizens doing?

23:51 It's like, can't you just... Thank you, bros. I mean, seriously, can't you just... Can't you just say... I mean, cities? You just let that go? Citices. And no one... Citices. I live in one of the best citices in the world. Dr. Fauci, thanks so much as always for joining us. Good to be here, bros. Some of our greatest citices. Look, if you're reading it, we get to make fun of it. Okay, if you just flub because you're doing a big speech and it's a complicated topic. So what does he do is he comes up with this basically saying, we rule you slave, and we're going to throw you a bone. It is unworthy of our great country. It is unworthy of our great legal tradition.

24:45 And in response, I have today directed a group of U.S. attorneys to examine sentencing disparities and to develop recommendations on how we can address them. In this area, and in many others, in ways both large and small, we as a country must resolve to do better. The President and I agree that it's time to take a pragmatic approach. And that's why I'm proud to announce today that the Justice Department will take a series of significant actions to recalibrate America's federal criminal justice system. And this is very interesting because... They changed reboot to recalibrate. Yeah, reclaim. They're rebooting the reclaim. It is very interesting because by law we have minimum mandatory sentences for certain offenses, certainly in the drug arena.

25:36 And what is happening here is, there's not anything, nothing is changing in the law, but it's a policy change directed by Herr Holder himself, which he explains here. We will start by fundamentally rethinking the notion of mandatory minimum sentences for drug-related crimes. Why are they clapping? Are they all drug dealers? I have no idea. It makes no sense. Oh yes, oh yes, very good. Less work for us. No, I don't think that's what's going on is not less work. ...mandate inflexible sentences and this is regardless of the individual condom that is at issue in a particular case. Which typically a judge has the discretion to say well okay look in your particular case you know you did this you

26:29 yeah, I didn't really hurt anybody, but it was wrong. You knew it was wrong, but maybe you didn't. I'm going to give you, you know, I'm going to cut you a break and you're going to do this or maybe already time served, whatever. Mandatories. Right. Right. So that, well, that's what a judge should be able to do. These mandatories are there, but now here's what hair holders doing. Reduce the discretion available to prosecutors, judges, and to juries. Because they oftentimes generate unfairly long sentences, they breed disrespect for the system. When applied indiscriminately, they do not serve public safety. They, and let's be honest, some of the enforcement priorities that we have set have had a destabilizing effect on particular communities, largely poor and of color. And applied inappropriately, they are ultimately counterproductive. This is why I have today mandated a modification

27:22 of the Justice Department's charging policy so that certain low-level, non-violent drug offenders who have no ties to large-scale organizations, gangs or cartels will no longer be charged with offenses that impose draconian mandatory minimum sentences. Now, so the way I see this, essentially is, look, we're going to be able to make deals with people now. And whereas this was not necessarily possible, a prosecutor works for either the federal government or for the state, but I guess indirectly they all work for this guy. We'll be able to say, okay, hey look, Dvorak, we caught you man, we caught you with, you know, you're growing the weed in your basement, that's five years in the state penitentiary. But you know, if you want to like help us trap that curry guy, maybe we could reduce this to 90 days.

28:18 I think they do that now to some extent. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, because... Well, you know, before you... You're going to get more of this because I do have one other guy who comes in with a different theory. Let's hear the different theory. I'd love to hear that. Okay, this is the local news report, essentially, and there's Tony Serra, who's a very famous... I don't think he works that much anymore, but you've seen him before. Tony Sarah's his famous defense attorney. I think he lives in the Midwest and someplace and he's that long white haired Indian American. Yeah. Yeah. I remember when you're in San Francisco. I'd see him from time to time on the air. Yeah, he's a very mean mean defense attorney. Yeah, and he would just was like a just wins a lot. So they bring it they talk. This is the holder thing. This is the

29:07 uh... of the the local report about it and then sarah comes in and and blasts them and then they can wrap it up in the whole thing turns out to be just a bunch of bullcrap and san francisco's d a george gascon told reporters about his thinking of a statewide initiative that would reduce simple drug possession is a good misdemeanor no we are not that's what you can stop right there that's not what told her saying There's no, if only, if the laws were changing, but that's not what's happening. I think it's the right thing to do. Holder did not talk about the federal raids on Bay Area pot dispensaries or the fact that federal law contradicts the legalizing of medical marijuana.

29:49 Defense attorney and legalization advocate Tony Sarah told me he's delighted by holders position, but he suspects the motives It isn't a concept of justice is not a concept of you know giving I don't know a break You know to the low-level nonviolent criminal they can't afford the number of prisoners that they have incarcerated Holder did say that that while the nation's population has increased by a third since the 1980s, the prison population has increased by 800 percent and that black males are serving significantly longer sentences than white males convicted of similar crimes. You know, there was yet a third theory that Ms. Mickey kind of steered me towards. She said

30:35 Is this just a coincidence that Sanjay Gupta on CNN all of a sudden is pro-weed and weed is good and everything should be weed? And I'm like, maybe, maybe they just need more users. If you think about it... What did you find out about this weed stuff? It makes people pretty calm. We gotta do something to calm the public. We're gonna be rioting in the streets the way things are going. Besides calming them, we know that the banks, the entire economy runs on drug money. Maybe it's like you know how we can you know we want to taper off a little bit We don't want to you know be printing all this money all the time. We need some more drug money in the system You know well, then we got to get some users out hmm. I think it's possible is screwy about I agree when a holder comes in and gives the speech and And the thing that I thought was interesting I didn't have it on the clip, but it was on the clip at the beginning. They actually brought up the meme that we stumbled upon which was that

31:42 25% they put it on the screen as a graphic in a chyron 25% of the world's prisoners are in the United States and we only have 5% of the world's population. And that was like, that was up there and that's what, in the mainstream, I didn't expect to start seeing that on local news that people are starting to add to and to about this. And so I think Sarah and his idea that, you know, this is ridiculous, this prison situation, especially in California, where they're trying to privatize like they have in Texas largely. They got overcrowding and there's been a number of demands in fact it was it wasn't there a strike a hunger strike in california going on now it's not reported ah okay so now so now we're getting down to something i thought that hunger strike had ended

32:27 As far as I know the hunger strike is still going on. I think it's still going on in Gitmo too. That's where it started. Right. And yeah, no, there's a huge hunger strike. Let me see. Let me make sure that it's still like, because I don't, I have not heard anything. It was like 15,000 prisoners. It's so poorly reported. Why bother? That we don't know if it's over or not because nobody's reporting that it even exists. Lady Gaga weighs 60 pounds. Everyone knows that. She weighs more like 260. No, no, no. No, what happened is she we're not going there now. She looks anorexic. No, I was surprised from Yes, yes, yeah, this is just publicity stunts. She probably shot these you know, these things are so no No, let me search you for the truth about California's hunger strikes. I got a publicity stunt for you. Oh

33:18 Yeah? Yeah. Well you're searching for that. Alright, you're gonna be annoyed though. Okay, I got August 13th. Hundreds of strikers have now gone one month without food. This is still going on. In a stated effort to end the state's controversial solitary confinement practices. Yeah, they throw you in solitary for a week. Drop of a hat so I did so somehow the CCA the Corrections Corporation of America They messed it up or maybe that just you know whoever was from because we track this for years John We tracked how the juvenile system was you know shuttling kids in from school I get him and get him into the jail get him in the system It was you know for the white there was actually a judge in Pennsylvania bribes to send kids to send kids to jail Yeah, so it was sixty thousand dollars a year per

34:01 You know what, maybe this is what's going on. And I think it was Eisenhower who said, if you want total security and you want a roof over your head and three meals a day, prison is the place for you. Maybe remember Eisenhower saying this yeah, I think it was I can look it up. Oh, no, that's okay Yeah, not important, you know, so and then he ends up his quote by saying the only thing you don't have there is freedom You know which kind of relates to this whole balance between our you know, our freedom and our security So I think maybe people are saying screw it. I want to be in jail. I

34:43 Well, there's some evidence of that in some communities because a guy will get out of prison. No one will give an ex-con a job in California. Not because you couldn't train him or do something, but you can get somebody that's not an ex-con. There's so many jobs available. Exactly. I mean, there's jobs, you know, I'm sorry. It's a buyer's market for employers. We're in a depression, so you can get workers that aren't ex-cons to work for you, so there's no reason to resort to ex-cons because you can't take a chance. Jobs, jobs, jobs and jobs. Let's vote for jobs! So these guys get out, they can't get a job, and then they have to do some petty thievery or something. They get thrown back in.

35:33 The system is broken. If you get to release it, they don't do for go for rehabilitation. They don't teach prisoners JavaScript. If only. If they did, it would end the whole problem with you know. So they don't do any of that stuff. They just make them, you know, make license plates or birdhouses. And then and the next thing you know, they come out, they got nothing. They're still de-socialized from being in prison. It's just not working the way they have it set up. it's creating this problem and then they're all felons so they can't vote the idiots out. You can't vote anymore. That which makes zero sense to me. Seems to me you should be able to vote.

36:18 Yeah, do you lose your rights for good once you've been convicted of a felony or do you do they know you get back at some point and you can't use some way of petitioning who's having whose dick do you have to suck? Or is it just the thing that has to be white? Oh God Okay Seriously, no, I'm unfortunately I'm believing you but don't propagate the mean that America is racist. Please. This is not this is not the point. I No, no, it's not the point at all. But the system is not working and they're not training people. There used to be rehabilitation, now it's just long-term punishment. The punishment is too long term. They never, you know, throwing somebody in jail for a couple of weeks is not, you know, say you have a job someplace and you get thrown in jail for two weeks.

37:01 You're not going to get back to the, I mean, that's punishment enough. You don't have to put somebody, especially a marijuana smoker in jail for years. Dwight D Eisenhower said, if you want total security, go to prison there. You're fed, clothed, given medical care and so on. The only thing lacking is freedom. That's Eisenhower. That Eisenhower. Come on. That was good. You quote him every week. It's going to be the Eisenhower Memorial podcast. I like him. I like him. So I was gonna just just to get it off my chest because I heard this on NPR and Sometimes I think that you know as we get new listeners on board We have to go back to our earlier days what we take for granted and what the you know Like I have we have a whole chat room full of people who've been listening for years and they know all this stuff And but we still have to kind of help people understand how it works. So NPR is now if I'm not mistaken they're supposed to be funded by people like you and underwritten and

37:59 Right by corporations because you know this isn't this all really there's no profit motive. You're going back to the well to play the classic Well, maybe I'll play the classic why not okay move it on to money How are NPR is corporate underwriting revenues holding up in the recession and what about foundation grants? two different stories Underwriting is down. It's down for everybody. I mean, this is the area that is most down for us, is in sponsorship, underwriting, advertising, call it whatever you want. Call it whatever you want, exactly. So I hear this thing, and John and I, John, you and I have been in media for most of our professional lives, and we know how these things work, and either NPR is complicit,

38:49 Or they are stupid. Or both. Well it could be both. But when I heard this yesterday, I'm thinking to myself, can you really be that gullible? Or are you just in on the game? Well sticking with the music industry, let's move to a big story in the world of pop music. If it were up to Lady Gaga, we would not be able to play this song yet. So, nope, they're playing the song. On NPR that song is called applause it was supposed to be released on August 19th But it was leaked on the internet so Gaga and her record label decided to release it early That is a common occurrence these days for musicians and joining us to talk about it from the blue But listen so of course I'm like oh So they pretended that it was leaked so that it could be a story because no one cares except for the little monsters

39:44 And now they're playing this song on NPR. And we have Bloomberg Businessweek now! There's an interesting backstory here. Tell us what happened with Lady Gaga's release over the weekend. What happened? Well, so she has a new album coming out in November called Artpop. And please note, drop date, name, title of album, the promotion is right there! And on August 19th she was going to release the first single off of it called Applause, which you just heard. but it showed up on the internet over the weekend and so she tweeted some very angry things I think her main complaint was that as an artist she had sort of lost control over her work and now okay listen, she tweets as an artist she's lost control over work however it's not someone else's decision when to release her songs then her label decided that they would just push it out early so if I get this right

40:43 She said it's not anyone's decision when to release my songs and then her record company decided to do it early. Just the reporting alone should these people should be fired. Alright, yeah, no I'm looking at the gaga feed You subscribe to gaga no, I'm you can go look at the feed you just type her name is she's got 39 million followers I know I wish you'd just plug my How about no agenda dude what do you mean? Yeah, all right inside trackbook Oh, you know that'd be cool. If we had Lady Gaga as a no agenda listener Yeah, good luck with that

41:23 Yeah, she's not dead. So applause, all it is is like, this is the worst feed. Anyone who subscribes to the Lady Gaga feed has to listen to this same thing. I don't see her complaining. It must be deep. No, today's the 13th. I mean, it says the 13th. I don't see all this bitching. Because you could only imagine. I think this is... No, this is bullcrap. What she said is nonsense. UK monsters, thank you so much. I'm so happy to be climbing your charts again I can't wait to see you live kisses from across the pond the applause lyric video will be out at 12 PST today I don't see the complaining because because this is promotion is blatant promotion That's the point. There's not one thing in here where she's complaining the woman reported that she was complaining on Twitter Yes, so NPR are liars

42:18 This is unbelievable. I would challenge anyone to find anything more than maybe one, I can't find one, where she says she cares at all about this. Okay, well never mind. Alright, so that... There we got that done. Let me get all of the annoying things out now before, we might as well do it just so I can get it done. And this was annoying because I couldn't believe that I was agreeing with this person. This is kind of sad. This goes back to the presidential duties. So there was, this is actually a little clip from NBC talking about the president had an interview, you know, another fascistic interview because now he's in bed with Amazon and he had an interview with Kindle. Apparently Kindle now interviews people.

42:58 So, you know, this is, you know, he just spoke at Amazon, you know, it's like the whole thing, it's icky. It's very icky when you're doing interviews with Zillow, the real estate company, and, you know, not, you know, not a journalistic outfit, but just, you know, Kindle. He's being interviewed by Kindle and here's what he says. There's also been a shift in culture. We weren't exposed to the things we didn't have in the same way that kids are these days. There was not that window into the lifestyles of the rich and famous. Kids weren't monitoring every day what Kim Kardashian was wearing or where Kanye West was going on vacation and thinking that somehow that was the mark of success. Okay, so think of it what you may. To me it was a little, okay, hypocritical much but

43:43 The mother and mother-in-law of these two of Kim Kardashian and Kanye West Kris Kardashian has somehow used her daughter Publishing a sex tape with Ray J and whatever his name is into her own television talk show called Kris and and the I is a little heart and The dot in the eyes, the little heart, it's Chris. And so this, of course I don't watch this, but this clip was sent to me and I'm like, ah, why am I agreeing with this woman? And the president said, and I quote, the American dream involves some pretty basic stuff, a good job where you felt some security, a good education. I don't think people went around saying to themselves, I need to have a 10,000 square foot house.

44:31 Kids weren't monitoring every day what Kim Kardashian was wearing or where Kanye West was going on vacation and thinking that was somehow the mark of success. And interesting to note here that NBC did not read the entire quote and she did which you know it talks specifically about one of my major points, the president's rebranding of the American dream. So I read this and I thought wow I wasn't, I mean it's really great that people aspire to get a great job and I too wanted that when I was growing up and I graduated from high school and I really wanted to work hard and succeed. But I wasn't aware that you could only set the bar so high and that we could only dream so big. I was taught dream big, work hard and you could have whatever you wanted.

45:22 How sad is it in America when I'm now agreeing with Kim Kardashian's mom? Well, Kim Kardashian's mom is probably no dummy. And I think by the way that this is a little bit, I don't want to be completely cynical about this, But this may be a little bit off the rails for what the powers that be will accept. Because you know, the president has his new way of creating a reality. And she may be a short-lived talk show host if she keeps doing stuff like this. Oh, well, let me play her. She'll be asking for donations. Hi everybody, it's the Chris podcast. How you doing? Well, listen to her follow-up.

46:11 I thought was wow! The president has some friends with 10,000 square foot houses and you probably wouldn't mind going over there Mr. President while you were asking them to have a party for you when you were campaigning for you know dollars to run for president. I just I don't Kim Kardashian and Kanye West. Well, Kanye West first of all doesn't... Okay, there you go. That's enough. Yeah, it is enough, but... I'm glad you watch stuff like this. Well, no, I don't watch stuff like this, but it was sent to me and other people said the same thing. Can you believe that I'm agreeing with this woman? I'm like, yeah, yeah, I am. And... You know, just, I mean, these celebrity talking heads,

47:01 Say stuff occasionally that you'd have to agree. They it's not like everything they say is wrong No, but it's noticeable when this happens because typically all they're talking about is exactly that is about how awesome their house is and where the great vacation they went on and this is it is and these I would I would also say that these are Obama bots they certainly were all on the Obama by Republican to me that well I Okay, I don't know about her, but I'm pretty sure that Yeah, look. Yeah, the rest of them. Yeah, I agree. Ryan Seacrest produces this. Please. This is an Obama-bot production. Ooh, we gotta write that down. That's a good one. Yeah, Seacrest. Obama-bot production. An Obama-bot production. So something's happening. Something is really happening and it seems like there's... Sometimes I get the feeling, John, there's a concerted effort. And maybe the whole Glenn Greenwald-Snowden thing has something to do with it.

47:57 that it really is a force moving to move this, the current power base out. Do you ever get that feeling? We've discussed this before that, you know, they keep taking these runs at Obama and they do it in bursts. And they have been very unsuccessful. I think it's, I think the public at this point is so dumbed down and so fat butted sitting down kind of thing. I don't know how else to describe it. That they really can't be riled up. there's nobody out there to rile them. I mean there's not a Republican, let's right now it's a two-party system with a third various third parties out there like Gary what's his name so you have... Gary Huntsman. Gary so you have like Republican orators that just

48:44 are uninteresting and they're just as bad as the Obama. They get nothing to say. They don't rouse a crowd. They don't get anyone to stand up. They're working for the same people. Yeah, it's all the same. All working for insurance companies, big corporations, etc. etc. And so it's like they got nothing. They got no... They're set. It's another thing. They got no... inspiration. No game in the hunt. So they can't get anybody riled up, that's for sure. And then the third party guys, they're either nuts or they got some sort of stupid idea. Or stoned. Or they have a high-pitched voice.

49:22 I think Gary Johnson's voice stinks. He's not a guy who wants to get... Gary Johnson, and I talked to his campaign manager, I spoke with his campaign manager or his media campaign manager, whatever it was. Soft spoken. I said, yeah, the guy's got to get a little forceful and then they took it exactly the other way and he'd been like... It became like really ins- kind of like Alex Joni-like, you know, it was a little crazy. Yeah, no, you can't- his insincere screaming, you know, people can tell. They can tell when you're actually mad or when you're- unless you're the really great actor. I mean, that's why Reagan, I think, was so- did so well because he was- he could act. When he didn't really have a- oh God, I have- can't get a- you know, you can't- sometimes you can't get yourself motivated. Well, if you're an actor, you have a better shot at it. Well, I better go get those Iranians right now.

50:10 Yeah, I know that wasn't very good was it? Well, I know but we could recognize who you were trying to do. That was my John Wayne. John Huntsman, exactly. Yeah, well I find it noticeable that this happened. It's noticeable. It's noteworthy or as you would say noted. Noted. Noted. Alright, so we of course don't have cool little hearts over the eyes in our logo. I don't think we have an eye anywhere. Maybe we could have an umlaut, we could have two little hearts somewhere over Dvorak. Can Dvorak have an umlaut? There are some characters, and I don't know what they're called, they're Eastern European, that you put over Dvorak and it becomes a... Slavic. Dvorak. Dvorak, right.

50:59 We have a different model, so we don't get affiliate fees. Of course, we also don't get taken off cable systems like CBS and Showtime over some dispute, which is basically about you, about stealing money from you. That's all that it's about. What are you losing? Who knows, but you're not getting service and you're not seeing what you want to see or may want to see. We've chosen for a model where you actually do tell us what to do or what you like or don't like and you support us and if you don't then you'd been right but it's so distributed unless a lot of people say the same thing if we don't want to do it right

51:41 What does that mean? It's not like the suits call you upstairs. Oh yeah, yeah. Hey, now listen. Here's the deal. Yeah, you know you guys were talking. You know that jingle? Yeah. Oh, yeah. Are you paying attention? Yeah, oh yeah. Stop it. You know what we're talking about. Bitch, look it up, it's science. Yeah, we don't want you playing that jingle anymore, man. Because it is science. So we do have a couple, three actually, executive producers to thank for today's show. I want to thank them. And curiously, two of them are both, second show in a row where we have two members of the show number. And I might add, we had a 53833 and a 538 flat on the last show, and this is the same 53933 and 539 flat. Yeah, yeah, it's funny. And here's the third coincidence. They both came in one-two punch.

52:45 And they're from California. Well, we go on. Wait a minute. It might be a conspiracy. One is our hyperware technology guy, Sir David Foley, who is the Earl of Silicon Valley, who seems to be on a roll off of Los Gatos 539. In the morning, Oscar and Felix from the Earl of Silicon Valley. We're in a roll with the No Agenda We're on a roll with the no agenda karma continuing to work its magic so I'm sharing the wealth with the best podcast universe enclosed it's five three nine and 33 cents so you can continue to fill up the bunker with mac and cheese Which by the way, so I am gonna post this picture. I have I was at the this place called gross Grocery what the hell's it called grocery outlet. It's called referred to generally speaking as gross out and

53:38 Is that a California thing? I don't think we have it here. I think it's West Coast. There is one I know in Washington, a couple in Washington State, so it's just I think just a West Coast thing. And they had a there's a mac and cheese in a box. Yeah. And it says mac and cheese dinner. Does it have the word gourmet anywhere? No. No. But it says mac and cheese dinner and it's a box with you know you can shake it and there's some powder in there and some god knows what. I can't imagine what this is like. I should have bought it. Yeah what are you thinking? 39 cents. And how many servings does this provide? Well I didn't look on the back but I didn't really want to touch it. I can't believe you didn't buy that. Well I was thinking about it.

54:26 39 cents now is that a 39 cents for a mac and cheese dinner but is it but do you think it's one two servings or six or because it's for a family it's a little box so I would say that it's just one shot single shot I'll bet you now go back I'm gonna go back you got a pick me a bucket says two servings on it no no it'll say it'll say just think it'll say is that a dinner it'll say two to three servings You're eating alone. Is that a dinner? Yeah, of course a meal. It's a meal. So anyways Let me play the mac and cheese jingle for Macaroni and cheese cheddar melted together mac and cheese mac and cheese Mac and cheese by Ayn Rand and there's the thing that's uh, I

55:24 You know when I did that about the cheap cheddar, it's actually not even cheddar, it's just powder. It's just chemicals. It's sulfur. Anyway, so coming in also from Pleasant Hill, California is Robert Montoya, and I don't have a note from him I looked I searched on the on the email if he has something to tell us I have a feeling that once you keep going I Somehow I thought that I saw an email from him. Let me just okay. Well that could be he could come in with some funny name What is it like he might come in with something like Robert? Oh? No, well I just looked up Montoya. So I got here, I got a Robert, um, hello Adam and John, I believe this loving donation will elevate me to the prestigious ranks of the No Agenda Knights roundtable. Is that this Robert? I would think so, but I don't see him on the list. Well, hmm, what does he say, let's see, here's what his email is on the PayPal.

56:22 I guess I shouldn't give it out. Let me see. Is it Gmail? No, it's Yahoo. Is it Bob something? No, it's R. Alright, well then we'll have to fix it. Anything that's wrong we'll do on Sunday then. Yeah, and you get a black night. So Robert, get a hold of us. That's the way to go. Say you sent a note. And then not really send one so you can get a black knight. No, no, I've already discussed this with guys who tried to pull that. Oh, wait a minute. People have been trying to scam us for that? Well, I don't know why you want the black knight. I want to be a black knight. And I explained to him what it takes, you know, and it's like, oh.

57:04 When we genuinely make a mistake and it's an X and actually there's a whole back channel and there's like Arguments on email it used to involve Mimi. It's really not fun these black nights. It's not it's not a not a fun process We haven't had too many in the last six months. We're trying to get away from it so boss okay boss Bruin Nick's brining's brown eggs enforced came with $250. This is the second time in as many shows I think. I think Boss... Yeah, unless it's a mistake. But I didn't see a note from Boss. Boss, we need notes. There's a little box you can fill out. It's called... sometimes it says instructions.

57:49 Anyway, those are our three. We have two executive producers, one associate executive producer for show 539. Actually, the two guys came in late. We almost only had boss period. So, got lucky. That's all right. Well, it gives us more time to talk about stuff because we'll have a short donation segment as well. Just looking at the spreadsheet. Yeah, we didn't get a lot of... No, volumes down. Volumes down. Volumes down. Well, let me say in the morning to you, John C. Dvorak. Well in the morning to you Adam Curry and in the morning to all the ships at sea, boots on the ground, subs in the water, feet in the air, the dames and and the knights out there. Yes and of course to these fine executive producers, our two from California today and our associate executive producer from Gitmo Nation Lowlands. All of these credits are valid, you can put them anywhere you want, you can use them in job interviews unlike the phonies in Hollywood, we'll be happy to vouch for you.

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59:38 We hit people in the mouth. Reggie Love, are you familiar with the name Reggie Love? Oh God, this name we haven't heard it on the show for, you should might as well brief people on it, for what, over almost two years. Yeah, Reggie Love was just like Huma Abedin is Hillary Clinton's body man, Reggie Love

1:00:30 Is or was President Obama's body man, which means he pretty much does everything you call the president's suite in the morning He's gonna answer the phone. Of course, you know, there's always speculation about these types of body man You know, it's like, you know, could it be a little bit more you never know we do know that he complained incessantly about the president sitting in the in the beast in the presidential limousine that the president does not sweat and And then he'd turn off the air conditioner, remember that? And Reggie Love was like, man, the dude just like... I think he said he was like a reptile, didn't he? Or like a lizard? I thought it was just Hillary. I never noticed it. No, no, no, no. This was Reggie Love. One of his rare interviews and he said, oh man, this is crazy. The president cranks up the... turns off the AC and you're just sitting there but he doesn't sweat. Hillary doesn't sweat. Oh, gee. Coincidence? I think not! Hello, reptilians.

1:01:22 So Reggie Love is at some like one of these conferences and it's one of these conferences where you know you have a little riser and the audience is there and you know you get you like two chairs table in the middle but it's not the Clinton Global Initiative it's not Davo you know it's just it's like a little university thing it may have been Davos by the way. Did I say, what did I say? You said Davo. Oh well if you've been then you know how to say Davo. Davo. I've been to Davo. I've been to Davo many times. It's all about the breakfast. And Reggie Love is at some college thing and he's being interviewed and of course you know he's not really noticing the camera in the back I presume.

1:02:03 And he makes quite a stunning admission. Talk about the day that Osama Bin Laden was killed. Do you remember? Were you? Oh, yes. I mean, I remember, of course. Of course. I mean, I think it was a very long day. We actually, I spent the entire day at the White House. And probably, you know, typically like the weekends, he's like, he'll work like a half day. And this Sunday, I mean we worked the, I mean we were there until almost, I think he went on TV at midnight and almost midnight. And sat around in the private dining room kind of like, most people were like down in the situation room but he was like I'm not going to be down here, I can't watch this entire thing. So he, myself, Pete, Susan, the White House photographer, Marvin, we must have played 15 games of spades.

1:03:03 Wait a minute. You mean he wasn't there? That picture where everyone's like staring and we're all like, you know, it's intense. Yeah, Hillary's smelling her finger. Yeah. That picture. So he, that he just went in. He's sitting there intently. He went in for the photo op and then went and played spades with Reggie Love in the executive dining room all night? That's pretty good. I find that to be disturbing. I know you were hoping for a clip of the day. But I think clip of the day needs a little more surprise. Okay, well let's listen to I was hoping that was good Here's the problem. You know you you oversold it. Yeah, you're right because I Expected Reggie love to say something a little more interesting like and then I kiss presents a boring guy And then I kissed him and spade Now that would be clipper today

1:03:53 What is the game of spades? Is that like old main? It's a college game. It's not even a really great game. Let me think what kind of game this should be played. It's not a good game. I think Texas Hold'em would be in our sound test. Some sort of a good poker. Strip Texas Hold'em. Strip poker. I found the whole statement to be bizarre. A, that the president was supposed to be like, yeah, when we killed Osama Bin Laden, he wasn't even in the room. He's just up there playing spades.

1:04:42 I don't know. I found that to be disturbing. Well, at least he didn't say I was playing go fish. And then this other comment, which also does not jive at all with what we've heard in the past, which I also thought was kind of funny about his birth certificate. And also, I think this is about who the president trusts in the White House. Who does he most trust? And listen carefully, because I think words matter and emotions matter. Most trust? Definitely his wife. I think she's like a brilliant person. Brilliant person and... What is that? I was like, she's a brilliant person. What was... I'm thinking the same thing. Wasn't that weird?

1:05:39 You play it again, play it again. It's like he's thinking about something. He's thinking about something that cracked him up. No, but it's a nervous laugh. Does he most trust? Most trust? Definitely his wife. I think she's like a brilliant person. Brilliant person and... Maybe he's laughing about the brilliant person or like she's so... I don't know. I don't either. But he's not letting us in. We should keep that clip in abeyance. Something's gonna come out about that. Something's gonna come, yeah. Tough. She's tough. I think within the staff, I think probably either Pete Rouse or Bradley Jarrett, but probably one of those two. Did he say Pete Rouse?

1:06:33 That's I like. Yeah, that's his I think that's his staff right he's a head of staff and then Valerie Jarrett of course. I remember when he found he finally found his birth certificate. Mm-hmm and now this is interesting I remember when he finally found his birth certificate a little too long You come from yeah Your parents don't live together. They travel all over the world Documents get lost there really now So now I'm led to believe, and I have no reason to believe Reggie Love is lying. I really don't. But now I have to believe that this, I don't think we've heard this before, that the president had lost his birth certificate, that he couldn't find it. That's new information. And how do you get through all of this without ever having to, you know, because oh yeah, parents get divorced, documents get lost. Really? Yeah, I think that, I think it's accurate.

1:07:30 Well, yeah, you got a bunch of, you know, it's all over the place. Who's going to keep dragging this? You know, I guess I think he's right. I think he's dead on. I think it's actually very accurate. I just wanted to go at the birth certificates real or the birth certificate they lost in Sakinia on it. I mean, who knows? No. Well, I want to go on record with something I think I mentioned to you outside of the broadcast at one point. And there's been a number of books, movies and television episodes that I've seen recently that all end in they were twins. And this is the thing that keeps coming back to me is, you know, the two Obamas, which is your theory, and I'm pretty sure we had a switch in June and this is the other Obama. I'm thinking twins. I'm thinking it was, and that was the reason that the birth certificate was complicated because there was, you know, there were two.

1:08:25 just wanted to take birtherism to a whole new level. Yeah, I know you had the uh you have been making the off camera off camera. Yeah, yeah backstage. By the way, I think you should take a look at Pete Rouse, R-O-U-S-E. and ask yourself, look at his images, and ask yourself why Obama trusts this guy. I mean this guy looks like a kind of a... the guy looks like a real... Oh my God! I don't use this word lightly. He looks like a douchebag. He looks like a prick. Doesn't he? Where's he from? Let me guess, Chicago? Oh, he's known as... hold on. Wow. Where's he from? Capitol Hill, early life, New Haven, Connecticut. Okay.

1:09:11 The Japanese mother, interesting. London School of Economics, Harvard University, Capitol Hill. He was with Daschle. Yeah, he looks like a hard-ass. Yeah, totally. I wouldn't want this guy yelling at me. On the wiki page is a picture of him yelling at the president, actually. You're not doing it right! Yeah, but he's he's he looks like he's about five feet two. He's very short. He's well No, he's not good. I think Obama how tall is Obama six one or six two? Yeah, I think he's six two maybe higher. Hello Wikipedia people. Can we? Yeah, we want height on these on this guy. I'm guessing he's five nine five ten five nine Maybe he's got a five nine build. So there's a little guy for that business. Yeah

1:10:08 And he trusts him and Valerie Jarrett, of course, who's like unpaid staff or whatever she is. I don't know if she has a position. She is the president. What are you talking about? She is the actual president. Anyway, let's finish this up. And so he wanted to just have an impromptu press conference, just walk in to the press briefing room in the White House and just put the first 50 down on the podium. And everyone was like, That's a really bad idea. He was like very gung-ho about doing it. Why would that be a really bad idea? I don't know. That seems like a really good idea. Like here, bitches, here it is. What's your problem? That would have been a really good idea. Maybe the birth certificate needed some alterations. Some adjustments. Wait, wait, wait. Let's just photo... Hand me that, Barry. Let me photocopy that for a second. No, don't worry. So that's Reggie Love. I think Reggie Love is talking too much.

1:11:15 She's gonna have to be put down Wow That's pretty low. Yeah, yeah I found that to be You know, that's not the image I had of my president in either case that he had lost his birth certificate He plays spades all day if he just said hey look You know and my parents were divorced. It's it's lost. I mean, I got to get a copy whatever I'll figure it out That would have been so much more believable And then, oh, here it is. Very poorly handled. I found it. It's in the box in the basement of the White House right where I put it. Please. Mm-hmm. All right. It's okay. This is all what you want to believe. Let's see what we got. I have a... There's a couple things going on that I thought were interesting. One is, of course, you have to... Everyone has to monitor RT.

1:12:14 Because you know this is the last-ditch effort of slamming the administration on behalf of Putin. And I'm getting very tired of monitoring RT. Because they're really taking a tact which... They have the wrong attitude, you know what I mean? Well that's because you watch Abby. Oh no, no I can't watch it. You watch the Arch T channel? Yeah, no, I can't watch that. 24-7 RT? I turn it on, but it's just... You know, the hosts are poor. Abby doesn't work. The hosts are poor, they can't read Teleprompter. And that Tom Thumb guy, he's terrible.

1:12:51 And then they have Max Keiser screaming at you. Yeah. As though that was going... Max Keiser is so... I'll say it again. He watches the Kramer show, Fast Money, Loud Money, whatever it's called. And so he thinks that's the way you should act on anything which has anything to do with financials. And so he screams for no apparent reason. So he's an unwatchable and then they have these, I don't know. Here's the problem, I'm going to say it now and then here's the problem I have. They come up with the story and oftentimes it's things that we're looking at, but then the way they handle the story is they get some dude on Skype and he talks for 10 minutes. Yeah, this is like... Democracy Now does this. Yeah, it's like I'm not interested in that. Some guy, his mouth is going one way, something else is coming out. It's horrible.

1:13:47 But it's ten minutes and it's a horrible shot, it's not interesting to look at, and you don't know who the people are. Right, and they're unknown jokers. The Skype connection sucks and the guy doesn't even know how to set up a camera so it's like a homebrew. It's very amateurish. Exactly. Okay, there's my problem with it. Yeah, it's a big problem with democracy now too. I have the same problem with them. But let's say, so what they've decided to do is they're going to go after all our allies and anybody that, and make it look like all kinds of horrible things, because there's a nonsensical piece that RT did, a hit piece.

1:14:25 on the Saudis because they figure well let's embarrass Americans because we're in bed with the Saudis so this came out. In recent weeks Saudi Arabia has launched an offensive against anti-regime activists. Hold on a second, where did they get the English guy from? This is one of the many shows on RT and I'm annoyed by that too. The crackdown has even forced a member of the ruling family to defect. RT Arabic spoke exclusively to Saudi Prince Khaled bin Farhan al-Saoud, who accuses the monarchy of corruption and silencing all voices of dissent. Okay, stop right there, stop, stop. So they bring this guy on who's apparently a member of the family, and the royal family we have to remember is about 30,000 to 40,000 people.

1:15:22 and they all get a piece of the action. And so this guy, instead of wanting a piece of the action, decides to break away and bitch. And in the process he talks about anyone who does what he is now doing, they get killed. But there he is, there's no bubble over his head, there's no voice changer, there's nothing, he's just standing there yacking away. So this guy is obviously a shill. He probably is not a member of the family and to be honest about it, I don't think anybody in the family knows who's the member. He was probably with Skype in Hoboken. Well, that's a possibility too. But anyway, so we'll go on from there. The government is obviously scared of the Arab revolutions and they've responded as they usually do by resorting to oppression, violence, arbitrary law and arrest. The easiest thing they can do is deprive you of your salary or fire you altogether. The ruling regime is not guided by justice and this is especially true of the Ministry of Interior.

1:16:18 There is no independent judiciary, as both police and the prosecutor's office are accountable to the Interior Ministry. The Ministry's officials investigate crimes, they call them crimes, related to freedom of speech. So they fabricate evidence, don't allow people to have attorneys. Things like that happen all over the place. They even put people under arrest for an indefinite amount of time. Even if a court rules to release such a criminal, the Ministry of Interior keeps him in prison, even though there is a court order to release him. Alright, so I listen to this and thinking, well this is a hit piece on the Saudis. I realize that's not what they're up to. Being in the propaganda, the nation that's really done a very good job of propaganda, this is not about anything but us. Right. All the references are parallel.

1:17:08 And so what you do is you roll out these parallel references. First you create this boogeyman. Oh, these guys are horrible. And then you discuss how horrible they are. And so you discuss, oh, indefinite detention, court orders released, but they won't release them anyway. All this is what we're doing at Gitmo. Right. So this is an interesting thing that we start looking for when you're watching RT, which is that this parallel in other words you do this it's not the same as guilt by association, but it's a kind of a Which I got into a beef on Twitter about by the way, but you were this one guy there anyway the it's it's it's a it's a

1:17:47 Create a parallel universe and be very critical of it and have a rationale for it being horrible But what you describe is the United States. Let me ask you a question So very cute, but who are they trying to impress with this? Is are they trying to influence the American public because as a media professional You're not hitting the mark You're off with this who is this just a politicians that we got the the Russians going haha Watch this piece. They will hate it. You know what is the point? It's just a waste of bandwidth Well, you know I think your point is well taken as the term would be I think they're just practicing

1:18:29 I think that this whole RT thing is just a bunch of test marketing, see what sticks, see what catches on. They got a whole 24-7 to themselves. They put the weirdest stuff on. They just, I think they're testing and testing and testing because I think they're so old-fashioned by now, the Russians, that they have to experiment. Listen, okay, I've been thinking about this for a while because I've been I've been evaluating what Zucker's doing at CNN, which by CNN he's destroying it. He's doing everything exactly wrong. And these RT guys, they're doing... Now we gave them, early on we gave them some tips and they didn't follow that up. But now they've gone so far in the wrong direction that I think they should really turn up the Ruski angle. They should get a couple of... Remember what Brigitte Nielsen used to look like when she was young and she was really smoking hot?

1:19:22 and they need to put one of those russian hats on her you know like the with the like the bear hat with the military hat, the sable hat and you know and have the push-up bra and just have her with a russian accent just saying, God these pigs, these american scum pigs and really just turn it up you know because i would watch that I think you might be on to something in that. Here's let me relate one old story I think from 1996. So I'm first trip I took to Beijing with a group of people from PC computing. I'm there with Paul Summers and others and we go there we're kind of stunned because we've never been to China and this is the middle of it.

1:20:01 you know there's no we both of us actually competed on this because in 96 it was still red China and all the rest and we were looking for the bull you know the giant the giant what we have in our country the giant speaker system the giant voice system the giant voices and we're expecting that there's nothing like that in China if people were People are wearing Hawaiian shirts, they're not wearing the Mao thing, nothing. So we got to the point where we said, where? Can we get a poster of Mao Zedong or get one of those outfits, that crazy looking shirt they wear? And the person said, what are you nuts? Nobody wants that stuff. And all those shirts were rounded up and sent to the peasants near the border areas. And you're looking for souvenirs and you're insulting them now. Yes. And so we finally got somebody to go into the library and get us some Mao posters. We got some classics.

1:20:58 but we got some posters out of the country but I was always thinking to myself why aren't they milking it? I mean you could have, tourists are starting to come in, we were tourists and we're looking for Mao jackets and they had nothing, there was nothing. So now to this day they really aren't milking it the way they could. The Russians have a number of stereotypes. Which one is that? Is the hot Brazilian chicken? so they could they could take they could milk the Stereotypes I think in fact no stop stop. I stopped it. This is what we're gonna do I am now opening up the phone lines not opening up submissions for hot Russian chicks and We will write a story and we'll just do one story well in fact you know we'll know even better we will take the exact Russia today stories as they've written them and

1:21:56 and just have a hot Russian chick with a Russian accent just read it and you might embellish a little bit you know like let's see the imperialistic regime Obama you know that kind of stuff right that's what they should be doing yes and I would watch that I'd be like yeah yeah and you know they need to be confident this is why Fox is winning you see because Fox is not snide and they're not like neener neener no they're not you never watched Bill O'Reilly no but they're not he's he's beyond in yeah he's a different he really believes everything. So but they're not really like Neen or Neen. They're like you know hey here's the facts we're reporting on and by the way do I have some killer legs or what? Yeah no they got the leggy chick, they got the cutie, that little cute girl. Yes. Which administered Perino she's very pretty. And that's nailing it because so you need to take a real and by the way I think Fox News they do approach stories from a news angle and people

1:22:58 People are tired of it. They're tired of your newspapers that suck off politicians and that just kowtow. The New York Times is trying this now. They're trying a little bit. They're pushing a little bit against Hillary. But that's not the DNA of the New York Times. That's Mark Thompson. That's MI6 who they've let creep in. The British intelligence is now running this paper. British intelligence is running The Guardian. That's why people read these papers. British intelligence is running the Daily Mail and because of it they have a very can do journalistic attitude because they have nothing but the enemy in their sight. And I think a good journalistic outfit should see everybody, I think that's how I approach it, although I don't want to call myself a journalist, is you've got, you know, whoever is telling me something, you're the enemy just from the get-go. I have to look at the opposite of what you're saying all the time.

1:23:55 This is and this is how you will be successful because people want to see the other side if they just want to be jerked off You know, there's plenty of plenty of places for that and that's what CNN is now trying to do They're just doing more than trying to make it prettier and then Jeff Zucker. Oh, we have a new digital platform Listen, I've been around the internet for a long time Nothing I've ever seen called digital platform has ever been successful ever ever So I think we could do it and you know what Sir Gene, Baron of Demeriot, Sheriff of Texas, he knows hot Russian chicks. So I'm gonna have him recruit some. He knows all the hot chicks in Dallas, all the hot Russian chicks, and they speak Russian.

1:24:41 And they got the accent, and we're gonna do the whole thing. We're gonna put the hat on him. Shit, Mickey can do this. All he needs is a green screen to pull it off. I'm telling you, Mickey can do this. Mickey can look like Russian. I think we can make her Russian. What do you think? Well, we need to have real Russians. It's noticeable she's not Russian. Okay. Yeah, yeah, you're right. What am I thinking? We need real Russians. And just have this... And it's not like there's a paucity of them. And we'll do Russia tomorrow. No, I think we should write it down. It's not that hard. There's imperialistic pigs. Yes, imperialistic pigs. The pretender president Obama. And then, yeah, the pretender president, the fascistic, all these words, you just got to use it. Born in Kenya by Obama.

1:25:26 Yeah, it would be a great show. I would watch it. Yeah, they'd always call him Barry Sotero. Just always. President Barry Sotero. Barry Sotero, the president. That's what they should do and it would be hilarious and you'd watch it and I bet you you could actually get some real, and you could get people interested in giving you real information. And you could sneak in some real good propaganda. Yes. So on that, this Egypt thing. Yeah, these guys, you're right, these Russian Today guys are completely a lost cause. They get no numbers, nobody's watching this crap. The guys are boring. They're trying to, they're too intellectual and they got, you know, their best bet is Abby Martin who's just not in an awkward... She's from Oakland. She's from Oakland, I mean, come on. Comrade. You've got Russian chicks all over the country. They're all over the United States, there's tons of them. Many of them came over as brides. Yeah.

1:26:17 The capitalistic scum of Berio Sotero's administration. So what's your take on what's happening here in Egypt? Yeah, I've been trying, I didn't get any clips on this. I do have one, one lone clip that has something to do with it. I watched a lot, I've read a lot. It appears to, well first of all, it's not a clue. Wait, wait, I do have one clip I gotta get. It'll be a good little aside as we do it. This is play the detained and beaten clip part one which is just the one that says just no there's no number. Yeah I gotcha. Can I play it? Sorry. Officials declared a month-long state of emergency and imposed a nighttime curfew on Cairo and ten provinces. As night fell police announced they had taken complete control of the sit-in sites in Cairo.

1:27:08 I said earlier that President Morsi had been ousted in late June. It was actually early July. A short time ago, I spoke to Newsweek and Daily Business correspondent Mike Giglio covering the dispersal of a pro-Morsi site in Cairo today. He was temporarily detained and beaten by Egyptian security forces. And did they have him on? Did they have him on with the black eye? The casually detained and beaten thing kind of gets on me. Yeah, did he have a black eye? Well, they had him on an audio call, but play the second part and then I have a question as to the way they handled these reports. Mike Giglio, welcome to you. Describe what you saw today at the camp dispersal and what happened to you.

1:27:52 So I was at the camp at Rabat before the crackdown even started and I was there as the police vehicles rolled in and as the police opened fire on the crowd. I was standing on the police lines watching them shoot the tear gas at the protesters and also watching them shoot live rounds as you guys have described. And after about an hour or so, the police seemed to decide that they didn't want journalists, at least on that side of the So they rounded up me and a couple of other photographers and they beat us after we identified as being journalists and then they detained us for about four hours along with a number of protesters from the city. Was there any warning this morning before they came into the protest camp? There wasn't. I got there around 6am and there were a lot of people there. So the way it came across to me is like, are you a journalist? Yes!

1:28:48 No, here's the question that comes immediately to everybody's mind. What is his definition of beaten? Did he get punched in the face? Did he lose a tooth? Did he get hit with a baton? Was he beaten to death? Was he stomped and kicked on the ground? Was he punched in the gut? Was he knee to the groin? Was he slapped across the face? Was he given a throat chop? I mean, what happened? Did somebody flick his nose in that constituted beating? I don't know. Okay, so I think there's definitely something going on in Egypt, and I have some thoughts about it. This reporter, I think he might have been in his hotel. He sounds like he's full of shit. Sounds like he's lying, like he's just making up a story, and this is not beyond the mainstream media to do that. Oh no. I agree with, you know, admit- It's with the Daily Beast. Okay, well there you go. He's staying at the Sheraton.

1:29:46 He probably didn't leave his hotel room. It just doesn't sound like that because if I was there in the camp and the police come in and start beating me, I'd be pretty graphic. And I'd be tweeting pictures and all kinds of stuff. I'd be bitching about it. Yeah. What's the guy's name again? I don't know. I don't care. Well, I thought maybe there might be a picture of him. I've all beaten yeah, I'll look it up while you're okay, so Here's here's what I'm worried about Now clearly this is not well. We know that we're trying to bring in Ford now as our ambassador What's his name? Ambassador Ford who was ambassador to Syria

1:30:28 He's part of the Ford family, right? Yeah, pretty sure. Now this guy is Robert Ford. There were several cops punching and slapping me in the head. So I said, okay, this is the guy that reported in the Daily Beast. There was no picture of him. There's no picture of him. He's got a picture of his face beaten up. You'd think I just think that's what I would do. Maybe he thinks it's unjournalistic or something. I don't know whatever Okay, go on your story. Okay, sir. So the President Obama is trying to is attempting to have Robert Ford become the ambassador to Egypt now Robert Ford is pretty well known for his Who was the guy the original guy who had all the death squads and in like the early days?

1:31:22 It'll come to me in a minute. He's kind of a student of this idea of Policy by death squad. In fact, he was the ambassador to Syria and lo and behold what do we have in Syria? We've got you know the terroristic death squads that I would argue have been put in there by American intelligence services So they want him to be a part of of the Egyptian system what's going on and I'm worried because to me It feels like what's happening now is not the Americans and is not the Russians. It feels like it's either a third party which could be... if it's really some, you know, like some third banking party or something, you know, like just real high-level people who just want to screw up the Middle East, then I'm really worried about it.

1:32:15 What about the Brits? Yeah, I don't think they have that kind of power anymore. I don't think the Brits can do it, can get something like this started. But it's apparent. We've got ElBaradei, who was the vice president of something, he quit. Now we know he's an international crisis group guy, so you know, he's an American shill. He's out. Everybody's jumping the ship. And it could also be that this is truly, you know, what happens to countries when people have just had enough. Yeah, that does happen. The French Revolution was not caused by the CIA. Right, and you can look at this, look very closely, this could happen in America in maybe a different version, I'm not so sure about the military piece of it, but this kind of stuff could happen, you know. This is, one thing for sure, this is not good.

1:33:07 This region, anyone who, if this whole, if the Northern Africa and the Middle East, if all of that's destabilized, that's bad for everybody. It's really, that will result in no good. Well, I can understand Russian involvement with the help of the Chiners. Maybe, maybe, but it doesn't feel like it, John. Because it detracts, it takes a little pressure off the Syria situation. I mean, I don't think the Russians care much if all hell breaks loose in some country that we've essentially controlled for all time, or at least modern time, or post-World War II.

1:33:44 and the Russians, you know, the whole place goes to pot like Lebanon. The Russians could care, I don't think they care. Well, I think they have... But it does take the pressure off their problems in Syria because they're doing the proxy war there and it's like, hey, you guys want to play this way? We can do this. It seems like it would be to destabilize this region which houses a lot of the energy that the Texas-based companies depend on, really opens up for the Russians to do... you know, they just did a deal with Algeria... not Algeria... Boku, Azerbaijan. They just did an oil and gas deal. And this was our turf. This is the Hillary Clinton... we had the Eurovision Song Contest in Azerbaijan.

1:34:33 We're supposed to own that and now Putin walks in and he's done an oil and gas deal with them? I mean, we suck. Well, something else is going... The Russians have got some sales thing going on that we don't... It's not bad. Or at least the two of us don't have a clue as to what it is. Well, it seems very simple, John. It seems like they have all the other routes outside of the Middle East. They've got everything going through the Caucasus, through Georgia, the Black Sea, everything runs through Turkey. It's all Russia, Russia, Russia. Everything that comes south of Turkey from the Middle East, it's a mess.

1:35:12 It's a mess. The Mediterranean is gonna be a mess and that's where all our companies are. That's the way I see it. It's maybe simplistic. Maybe it's just it. It's just simplistic. I don't know. But if Egypt, if that doesn't calm down... Well, the Azerbaijan thing is kind of weird, I have to say. Wasn't that supposed to be ours? I would think. Yeah. I don't know. Well, this Egypt thing is, it should shake out to the point where we can figure it out. I mean, right now it looks like just random rioting everywhere. And if I see another CNN journalist ducking for cover on camera, I mean, come on. Do your story from the Sheraton and just give me some information. None of this like, well, it was really scary. I get it.

1:36:01 Putin's visit designed to discuss a wide range of bilateral issues including trade energy transportation and the Nagorno-Karabakh conflict Rajneff that's their company reported that it also agreed with the state oil company of Azerbaijan to jointly use pipelines and terminals to optimize supplies to consumers Yeah, that would be Europe. Hello. Hello consumers of Europe Consumers in Europe. Yeah. No that guy's smart. I That guy is very smart. So I found an interesting couple of clips talking about foreign stuff. John Kerry. The watermelon head. There's two stories that came up. One of them just typical Democracy Now! deadpan report. But the other one I thought was funny. This is my last RT clip.

1:36:51 Which is that these guys again are trying to do stuff by being coy and intellectual and cute. And I thought this was kind of cute, but this is the way, this was a longer report about Kerry and what he's up to by one of these, this is the fat bald guy that's on RT. And it's and he just throws this in as a descriptor, and I thought this was like okay. I'm getting this I get it I get it just the carry assumes a clip the massive NSA snooping revelations have cast a shadow over John Kerry's trip to Latin America his first visit there since he assumed the position of Secretary of State Assume the position of Secretary of State all right

1:37:39 That's funny, that's funny. Was that RT? Yeah. So imagine we've got this hot chick right and she's got the boobs and she's got the I think she has a fur coat with nothing on underneath it but it's close I mean it's close. I'd rather have her in some slinky silk. Okay, okay whenever it's slinky but I want the hat with the red star on the front. Carrie, who assumed the position of Secretary of State from that madwoman! Yeah, something like that. From Mr. Hillary Clinton, just say stuff like that. It would be funny. I'm telling you, ratings through the roof. There would be outrage. There would be congressional hearings about this. Oh yes, there would be congressional hearings. Can you imagine? NPR would be playing clips of RT. Why can't we get a gig consulting these people?

1:38:36 We should, I think we could make that network just sink. I mean, we know enough Russians. The Russians themselves are too... they haven't got the guts to actually be themselves. We can help. That's why they drink it all the time. Yeah, and then we can get all... we'll just get vodka sponsors the whole time. Just all vodka. Vodka and caviar. One after another. We have all vodka. We get like Jay-Z and Kanye and all these guys to have their own vodka brands promoting it and Diddy. Oh, are you kidding me? It'd be great. All right. Don't listen to me. Don't listen to me. I don't know what I'm talking about.

1:39:23 Okay, here we go. So meanwhile, here's a story that came out. This was on the report on democracy now, but John Kerry, the other Kerry clip, I just wanna, I can't believe when I heard this, I couldn't believe it because this is like, seems to me to be grounds for firing the staff because you can't run a department of state. When you hear this clip, you listen to it, you go, how screwed up is our government? The Bureau of Investigative Journalism says last month saw three U.S. drone strikes carried out in Pakistan, the highest number since January. Last week, Secretary of State John Kerry told Pakistanis in a TV interview President Obama had a very real timeline for ending the strikes.

1:40:10 but the State Department's own spokespeople quickly contradicted him. Jen Psaki said in a statement there was no exact timeline, while Marie Harf said, quote, in no way would we ever deprive ourselves of a tool to fight a threat if it arises. Who didn't read the memo? That is so humiliating for Kerry. He says something. You know, Chris is a blowhard, so who knows, he may have made it up. Yeah. Which I actually believe he might have just made it up. No, no, I'm convinced he's just talking out of his butthole and they're actually trying to cover up for their boss and make, you know, fix it. That has to be it because this is insubordination otherwise. Yeah. No, he's major, major insubordination. He should be happy. No, this guy is just, ugh.

1:41:00 I think he's an idiot. Yeah, well, I mean he's obviously not a super idiot, but I'm not sure of that. Yeah, I don't think he has the... I don't know. I don't know. He's over there playing nice. He's an actor. He's an actor. He looks the part. He's got the yacht, you know. He should have been president. This is his problem. That's why he still signs his name John F. Kerry. You know, he wanted to be president from the day he popped out of the womb. And it just didn't work out that way for him. It looks like a Kennedy. So just the last part of this, to follow up on that story, Demarcus Schnell went on with the drones and the double tap, which I just think I wanted to play just for informational purposes.

1:41:47 Yeah, the bureau has also released new evidence the CIA targeted rescuers last year at the scene of prior drone strikes in Pakistan Conducting so-called double tap strikes that in some cases may be considered war crimes. The reports are the latest sign There's been little change in the Obama administration's covert drone wars despite pledges in recent months for reforms including greater transparency Of course One of the reasons we want to keep secrets in this country is because I think these are war crimes. You can say company, it's okay. You can say corporation or company, it's the same thing. It's registered. And we've had other clips that indicate, you know, if you're in the CIA and you're driving a drone around and you're killing people, you're not protected by the same laws that protect the military. So you're subject to murder charges.

1:42:38 Yes, and I would be very I I think they should get out of that game out of the murdering game I've been asking about this for a long time. They should get out of the murder. I think this is not help the murdering It's a good idea John the murdering game now before we thank our relatively short list today of producers and supporters the program We have been kind of waiting for this to happen and it came through now. We've been looking at the media shield law and Which everyone seems to be on board with including? the guys from the freedom of the press foundation org Com slash whatever which is their paperwork, right? Yeah And you know, it's who is a Glenn Greenwald Zenny Jardin the Ellsberg but also Laura Poitras and Who's that other guy?

1:43:35 Yeah, your buddy. Yeah, my buddy. All my buddies are there. So, and of course the EFF guy. What's his name? Barlow. Yeah, Barlow. So, on the books is, and I believe we've read this. If not, I put a copy in the show notes just in case. Let me just bring it up here it is Where is it? I put it under Ministry of Truth. There we go Senate bill 987 and I'll just give you the title of it just so so, you know media shield law. And of course, we know that this is fundamentally unconstitutional because the First Amendment says Congress shall make no law

1:44:24 regarding the freedom of the press or freedom of speech. So having a law is unconstitutional. So this S-987 which was drafted by Chuck Schumer and Graham there. Oh, Lindsey? Yeah, Lindsey and Chuck. They introduced it in May and it is a bill to maintain the free flow of information to the public By providing conditions for the federally compelled disclosure of information by certain persons connected with the news media. This act may be cited as the free... let me do the echo... the Free Flow of Information Act of 2013. How Orwellian does that sound?

1:45:09 It's all Orwellian. These two creeps put together a horrible piece of legislation that everyone thinks is great. And so in this, well the worst part is the amendments that have now been put in, but in the original legislation, essentially, so we're not going to spy on you, we're going to let you go, or no wait a minute, we're not going to tell you we're spying on you unless whatever we think you're doing We might need to know about it to reasonably necessary stop, prevent or mitigate a specific case of death, kidnapping, substantial bodily harm or conduct that constitutes a criminal offense and a specific offense against the minor or if it's about national security.

1:45:57 So pretty much we're just going to continue to spy on you and we're not going to tell you and we're going to force you to give us your sources, etc. or we'll throw you in jail. Now all of this, the legislation is already crappy but then we have, you know, this is now going through committee and now we have your buddy out there in California, the People's Republic of Feinstein and Feinstein has added an amendment, John. And this ame... Did you have a meeting with her by any chance? No, she wouldn't have take a meeting with me. She added a couple of things. Feinstein's... I'll bet she did. Her amendment now provides three definitions of what a journalist is. Uh-oh. Open up the red book and cross this one off. Okay.

1:46:49 So, in order to be protected under the Media Shield Law, which by definition is unconstitutional, and this is coming from a disc jockey, hello, I'm a DJ, you can only be protected by the Media Shield for the free flow of information if you are working as a salaried employee, independent contractor, or agent of an entity that disseminates news or information. Which covers the CIA by the way. I love how they threw that in there. You know, there's a little gotcha in there too that's even more interesting. What's that? The word salaried. Salaried, yes. Most people are contractors or freelancers or whatever. That means nobody except the editors essentially. No, no, no, you didn't hear me. It said salaried employee, independent contractor or agent of an entity that disseminates news or information

1:47:48 This is your podcast license coming up. Okay, meeting the prior definition. Okay, you have to, in order to qualify as a journalist, John, you have to meet the prior definition for any continuous three-month period within the two years prior to the relevant date. By having substantially contributed as an author editor photographer or producer to a stanchion is a word. Yeah Significant number of articles stories programs against a word. Yeah, what do you guess? It's a word. What are you? What are you saying? Well, what if you just what if you wrote one long piece? No, that would I don't know one short piece. That was just dynamite I want to pull it sir, but you but that's not enough. That's no that's not significant. No, I

1:48:41 programs or publications by an entity within two years prior to the relevant date or if you're working as a student journalist participating in a journalistic publication at an institution of higher education. This is a... So you can be a student journalist and get to be covered by this bullcrap law which is useless anyway but you can't be a blogger? Correct. You're not a blogger no matter what their credentials is not a journalist. You can be a blogger but you won't be a journalist and therefore you will not be protected by the shield. Of course the shield doesn't protect you. You don't have the cloak. You don't have the cloak around you. Feinstein's cloak of protection so you can have free flow of information. Goebbels is smiling. She is such a douche and an idiot. I could tell my story again but I won't. Now let me ask you a question.

1:49:41 With all of this, with you know, with what this going on, but more importantly, what's going on with, you know, with the revelations about spying, etc. Where is the Electronic Frontier Foundation in all of this? Where are they? Are they out there yelling? Are they at press conferences? Are they suing the government? Are they really doing their job? Let me ask you, who do they really work for? I have no idea. Well, let me help you answer this because I pulled their... I think I'm going to write a column about this, by the way. Good. Well, let me give you some information and you can go to the show notes, John. Even though, no matter how many columns I write, even though I can write a column a day, which I've been doing... It will never be significant. It's never significant or substan... It's not enough because it's only one little percentage. Not significant. So I pulled their Form 990 of the EFF because I wanted to know. Now, of course, they're a 5013C corporation, so they don't have to list their donors, which is always fun.

1:50:41 And I got the list here. So how much money do you think they raised in 2011? More than we did. Yeah, just have a guess. 10 million dollars? No, not quite. Almost 8. 7,910,000 dollars. Okay, now you can contribute to the EFF by donating money. How much do you think they made on that? from donations? Yeah, well, so there's a different number. This is a subset of the first number. Yeah, so there's two numbers. So the three numbers that the $8 million 7.9 is their overall 2011, which by the way, is triple from three years ago. That is, that's their overall revenue.

1:51:30 So this number you're asking me for is a subset of that number? Correct. So I'm going to break it down into two separate numbers. One will be, because this is how they split it up, the amount of money they receive from members. So when you go on the website and say, hey, I want to donate to you because I think you're doing a great job, you become a member. And then they have grants and gifts which is from foundations and corporations. Not disclosed on their 990 because they don't have to by law so that's okay, they don't have to do it. So what do you think the breakdown is of that? Well because you are asking I'm assuming that the number of personal contributions is less than a million. No, it's a little over a million. Just a tad. It's around a million. It's just a tad over a million.

1:52:22 All the rest is gift and grants and They do not well they have their report from you know through 2010 when their revenues were about Less than half of what they are now And in that case they're saying well, you know, here's a couple of couple of foundations, etc, etc Let me see what they say corporate contributions 2010 was less than half a million and But so now it's in the millions of dollars and the question is who are they working for? Do they work for Apple? Do they work for Google? Do they work for the minority of people who donated to their cause? This is an Ask John question. I'm guessing, just so I don't have any idea, but I'm guessing, I'll bet you that if you dug into and found the big donors, I'll bet you Google's at the top of the list. I think you're right and I think they should disclose that by the way.

1:53:22 I'd like to know who they don't you know they're not really actually should why wouldn't they because I know I mean they don't think anyone's ever asked them but if they if you ask them I'd like to hear what their reasons for not doing it oh here let me give to you ask me I'm yes we're here at the pray to mr. Kerr you have a question yes I'd like to know Who do you what corporations it seems good is Google may be giving you a lot of money. Oh We do we have a policy of not disclosing the corporations because they've asked us not to and why is that why have they asked you not to? They are private and there are people who do not they respect your privacy and we respect their privacy Okay

1:54:11 Wow. Thanks. Hey, thanks for your press conference. That was great. Can I get now get out? Can I have my Google Glass now in my goodie bag? All right. All right. I got a little thing for you. And then we should thank our this lava bit thing. Yeah, no, I'm not. I don't like this because You know, there's these things are happening and whenever Glenn Greenwald is around, and by the way I'm not anti-Glenn Greenwald specifically, but I think that he's part of a cabal that is trying to make certainly the Obama administration look really, really bad. But I don't think he's doing it really in a journalistic fashion, he's just saying stuff.

1:54:59 You know like I spoke to Edward Snowden, and he said this Snowden told me this mr. Snowden said that you know there's a it's like you know Why doesn't Snowden like it's like a guy that using his wife my wife. Yeah, I can't go out exactly Yeah, you know what we can't don't want to go out so you blame it on your wife Why can't Snowden like, you know, write a blog or something, you know, or what, you know, whatever. Just why is it always Glenn Greenwald, his bitch? Apparently the Russians told him to shut up. Well, then that makes me even more suspicious. Makes me even more suspicious right okay, so so we and the main reason is when and there was actually a little Twitter thing going on that I got sucked into and I got out of where so you know It was it was about the lie that the Bolivian president's plane was forced down we have the

1:55:49 The audio they asked to land with a bogey of reason that their fuel indicator was off And then this you know, it's like this person on Twitter is like well then why did France and why did Spain apologize? First of all, it's like, you know, like the country put on its Facebook. We apologize now It's like some ambassador somewhere said well, we really apologize that something happened But they all spits in the reports from Reuters and AP and they all specifically say but they deny that they refused Entrance into the airspace. Yeah except for Portugal Well, I haven't read Portugal. Portugal says that they... somebody told them apparently US... that Snowden would be on board and it would cause some sort of a mess. I haven't seen that one. I haven't seen that one. But they apologize to him. Yeah, yeah, no. But in general, in general... It's funny that you know, this was a bull crap thing, you know, the plane was not forced down. Right. Okay, so... but these things get into the lexicon and they get into the alternative

1:56:53 Yeah, because no one trusts the mainstream media now, even though that's where most of this comes from. And then people are like, that's true, it's fact, Glenn Greenwald said it so. So you know the whole idea of this lava bit, so now we got this lava bit which shut down and the general consensus is it shut down because Edward Snowden was using it as his email and they got a national security letter to turn over the goods. That is if you ask anyone on if you go on Twitter right now and say why that's what they'll tell you. Yep. I think there's a different thing going on here

1:57:29 But the guy was on Democracy Now with his lawyer and this is two minutes, a little long on the clip here, but at a certain point the question is actually asked. NSA leaker Edward Snowden recently described your decision to shut down LavaBit as quote, inspiring. Now I want to say he did not say this as far as I know. He apparently told Glenn Greenwald this. I just want to make sure that we're on the level with who's saying what here or how things are coming into play. You know, for a journalist who lives in Brazil. He told the Guardian's Glenn Greenwald quote, America cannot succeed as a country where individuals like Mr. Levinson have to relocate their businesses abroad to be successful. And there was never any mention of relocating his business abroad, so I don't understand why he would say this.

1:58:23 very skeptical about the nature of this quote. Employees and leaders at Google, Facebook, Microsoft, Yahoo, Apple, and the rest of our internet titans must ask themselves why they aren't fighting for our interests the same way small businesses are. The defense they have offered to this point is that they were compelled by laws they do not agree with. But one day of downtime for the coalition of their services could achieve what a hundred lava bits could not. Snowden went on to say, quote, when Congress returns to session in September, let us take note of whether the internet industry statements and lobbyists, which were invisible in the lead up to the Kanye Zamash vote, emerge on the side of the free internet or the NSA and its intelligence committees in Congress. Yeah, this Snowden guy has a lot of time on his hands to formulate this.

1:59:13 There's a couple of things here one if it's a sing if it's a quote from a second-hand source and and it's and it wasn't Derived from a press conference or someplace where other people who have heard the quote. It's not a quote you have to say as Quoted to that's that's as she said she said she said she said He told Glenn Greenwald. That's what she said. She did at the beginning, but then these other quotes, I don't know. Okay, I'll let her slide on it. But not very far because I feel there's no questioning about this. You know, this guy, hey, the guy lives in Brazil, works for a British newspaper. Are we insane to believe everything that comes out? And by the way,

1:59:53 I think it's funny because I like the fact that this is anti-Google, anti-big Silicon Valley companies but I think we have to look a little bit further than just some do-gooder whistleblower. Yeah, just because we all, in fact I think most of the public gets a kick out of this. Yes, but... But it doesn't mean it's accurate, true or even something, or even positive in some bigger sense. It may not be. And I will take the other side for a moment and say we should be wary of other countries and journalists from other countries attacking us. Just, you know, we have to be aware of what's going on. Now let's continue. Lidar, you were the service provider for Edward Snowden. Now this, she's asking a rhetorical question almost because this is the meme.

2:00:44 I believe that's correct. Oh, okay. He doesn't even know. I didn't know him personally, but it's been widely reported. He was talked into it. Listen to what he says. Listen to what he says. You talked over it a little bit. Hold on. I'm just rolling back. That's okay. I do it all the time. This provider for Edward Snowden. I believe that's correct. Obviously I didn't know him personally, but it's been widely reported and there was an email account bearing his name on my system. Okay, is he dead? I don't think so. I didn't know him personally. Yeah? The way he's answering the question... I don't know him personally. Yeah, he says, I didn't know him personally when this ruse was set up. Has been made well aware of recently.

2:01:34 Okay, so read in is another way of putting it right now now listen to the questions here Glenn Greenwald also wrote what is particularly creepy about the lava bit self shutdown is that the company's gagged by law even from discussing the legal challenges It's mounted and the court proceeding. It's engaged in other words the American owner of the company believes his Constitutional rights and those of his customers are being violated by the US government, but he's not allowed to talk about Greenwald goes on to write, quote, just as is true for people who receive national security letters under the Patriot Act, Lavabit has been told they would face serious criminal sanctions if they publicly discuss what is being done to their company.

2:02:14 Okay, so now she's gone into a gray area where she is, I don't even know if she's quoting Snowden written by Greenwald or just Greenwald himself talking. So she sets this whole thing up, it's all about what the Guardian newspaper published about Lava Bit. What is the obvious question? Don't know what is the obvious questions is this true? Yeah, that's the obvious question. Yeah, it's obvious. Yeah. What is she? What does she ask Lador Levinson? Why did you start laugh a bit? What is that all about?

2:02:54 The whole thing that she sets this whole thing up and then why did you start love a bit? Why did you start love a bit? I'm giving you a clip of the day for that now. I won't accept it. I won't accept it It's a good class not good enough, but here here's the thing you need to know so this all happens in July. Oh And so the guy clearly has no idea if this is because of Snowden, but he's got all kinds of hassle. And if you actually dig into it, oh gee, man, it turns out that there's something else going on. On June 10th of 2013, a search warrant was executed against LavaBit user Joey006 at LavaBit.com for alleged possession of child pornography.

2:03:44 I'm thinking this guy, you know, he had to shut down because the whole thing was rife with pedo-bear crap. Yeah, it could be. And he had to shut it down and it's a handy excuse to say, oh well, you know, it's because Snowden... He never says for one minute that he knew that Snowden was on this thing. No. Greenwald's the one who said it and made this bullcrap connection. Yeah, the whole thing, this is a bogative story, complete... Yep. nonsense that no one's reporting on. You're probably right, makes sense. They've been going after pedo bears to an extreme. Yeah. And so they went in there with some, not may have not even been a national security letter, I mentioned that in some tweet Twitter and and Declan McCullough from CNET who covers all this stuff he says, now that's bullcrap it could be a number of things and he sends me this huge document of all these government documents

2:04:32 Doc these all these government subpoenas and other things that all have gag orders in them It's like right could be anything that they gave the guy right and it could have been a warrant and were information regarding pedophilia for all we know so don't know so this guy's ever said right now so this guy he's clearly being used for this clearly He seems like a nice guy, you know, he started something and you know 2004 with a couple of buddies and it grew into this now and they're like, you know, it's cool like a little service I'm all for you know, it's all good and it became a real hassle. He's like, oh man, I gotta shut this down But he's being misused and this is where I come back to I can I can feel it John I can feel that there are forces Really really working real hard and Glenn Greenwald is is

2:05:23 probably, willingly a part of this. And it's not, it's just not news reporting anymore. It's a full-on attack. I'm not sad because it's it's fun. You know it's great fun for us especially But I do want to point out that there's that something is going on here. This is no I'm not gonna argue that this is a good possibility Did you see that New York Times piece about Laura? Yes is hanging. Oh, no the piece was bad Yeah, cuz it was just it was a Paula. It was just terrible And but it did you did you could glean some cool stuff out of it like the fact that Poitras is in Brazil hanging out in her desk and looking like the Like a spook. Yeah, like a spook and that photo is totally a spook photo like his handler and then when you start deconstructing everything that's in that that story which is everyone can go read in the New York Times you start taking pieces out of it and

2:06:18 uh... because there's information in there i did see the whole thing sounds funny well and let me let me do i just follow that for a little bit you know and there's a great uh... read it thread about uh... portrait showing up she was embedded with some troops and then she disappeared off the radar and then also in the you know this uh... this unit got ambushed and but she was there with the camera means very very sketchy stuff but I was looking at her film production unit and it lists a number of donors to her documentary company and one of them is the Menschel Foundation. And you know me, I do... what is that work called again? Falling into a rabbit hole. Yes. That's it. I fell in the rabbit hole.

2:07:10 And so I look up the Menschel Foundation, which is essentially a just a front for a rich family's money. It even says, you know, like we you know, this is the managing their assets. But it says specifically, please note the foundation is not involved in any charitable activities. Its primary purpose is to support by contributions other organizations exempt others. Go to the top. It is it's the Robert and Joyce menschel foundation MENSHEL and So so she she says that she received a grant from them But they say they don't give out grants to directly to people They only do it through other foundations, and I can't find her as a non-profit foundation So it stinks just stinks

2:08:16 Well this takes us back to, okay, back to Egypt. What about Israeli intelligence? Well yeah, yeah I'm way down with that. You know when you see Egyptian police and they have gear that says police on it, which is not the Arabic word, where are they getting this from? Who are these jabronis? You gotta think that the money's coming, well we know a billion, hey, we send them a billion dollars a year, I think it totally could be Israeli intelligence. The Israelis could be totally responsible for this. Yeah, they saw where things were headed with this guy, this Morsi's wolf in sheep's clothing. Well, you know, helping him a little bit here and there, but as a long-term loser for the Israelis, they're always having to deal with these Palestinians already.

2:09:14 It decided to screw it screw the place up. They were there right next door They got better assets in place than we ever would you know and they go off the reservation all the time There's a sent to jets over Syria. We did I'm absolutely sure nobody in the American Services approved blowing up of a bunch of stuff inside totally agree So anyway, so kind of bring this all around it's very interesting to watch and It's clearly, um... Just be careful who you champion. You know, be careful who you're ca- Because, you know, before you know it, they'll turn around and they'll fuck you. Because it's just not so cut and dry to me.

2:09:59 Yeah, well this isn't it. Anyway, so that New York Times article I still think is worth really looking at and deconstructing and trying to figure out what information you can get out of it because it is kind of a puff piece but it's not a normal puff piece. It's long. It's a positioning piece. Yeah. And it's not that different from the piece that was written by... Let me see, who wrote this? I didn't check on that. Peter Moss. Let's see, who is this guy, Peter Moss? Is he a shill? I've reached my limit of 10 complimentary articles this month. Sorry can't read it now. Oh there goes the show Not gonna get a subscription Screw those guys propaganda Peter Moss author and journalist. Let's see. Is it the same Peter Moss? He wrote crude world love thy neighbor

2:10:56 Now this is this is this the Peter no the Peter Moss that was the great writer that were at Serpico the Vellace papers and all this died so he's dead so it has to be somebody. No that's not him this is this is the it's peter moss dot com double a double s I am right I am a writer publications I have written for include the New York Times Magazine, New Yorker, Foreign Policy and the New York Review of Books. I wonder I wonder what this guy is all about about a boot

2:11:34 Boot Peter my has the extra s on his name to differentiate him from the Peter no it's the extra s for savings For more P There'll be at least ten people in the audience. I'll get there. I know it really so he's been around he's he's been around He's done a lot of stuff. He's covered. He could be a spook by the way I Yeah, no it's always a pot. Well anyone can be a spook. Well listen he was writing for the New York Times International Herald Tribune covered NATO and the European Union, 87 moved to Seoul, South Korea. I could ask Don about this guy. Screw it, I bet you he worked for Don. I wrote primarily for the Washington Post. Totally. After three years in Asia I moved to Budapest to cover Eastern Europe and the Balkans. Wait is he independently wealthy?

2:12:31 Spokesman can't move around like this spend most of 92 and 93 covering the war in Bosnia It's funny that the giveaway for spooks is moving around. They're moving around too much They never put them in I mean except for a couple of these guys that are nuts. They're already noted as spooks would What's his name Woodward? Woodward is outed in that in that Bush book and And so they're already out of so they don't move them around much just put them in place and Crank out stuff here for us, and but these other guys are always there here, and it's always these hot spots You know they're so here's the here's one of the books. He wrote manhunt. Oh, no, that's the other Peter Moss Sorry, that's the wrong one. That's the that's the original novelist right oh

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2:26:00 But in New Zealand, they have a lot of... they've been bringing a new law onto the books. And it's... let me see what the exact name of it is. It's like the... it's basically a spy program. The spy program is called the GCSB which is like you know government crap spying Bureau I can't remember exactly what it is and New Zealand is small. I mean how many people live in New Zealand you know offhand John. It's not a lot I think it's like five million. It's pretty small. Let's look it up Okay, you consult the book of knowledge on that so the Prime Minister his name is John Key and

2:26:42 kind of under attack for this because you know just because there's a lot of sheep and there's only a few people they're really switched on down there and they're like hey hold on a second this is not okay what you're doing you can't just go spying on us and there's this or this lawyer 0.5 million 0.5 million so there's this legislation that's been written and now it's you know it's been changed and amended and essentially at The way I understand it the Prime Minister of New Zealand has hired one of his buddies as the judge who will determine if you can be spied on and then that judge determines if there's gonna be a warrant and it's cross-checked by the Prime Minister himself. So it's like the whole thing... It's like Obama and his death list. It's exactly what it sounds like. So there's a here's an interview and here's the here's the question about these warrants. Cyber security. Yeah, okay. So that under cyber security for Sadov

2:27:32 GCSB, A, has to get a warrant. From who? Okay, so the warrant, like all warrants, it's the same as the warrants for SIS. From who? Have to be signed by the Commissioner of Security Warrants, which is a retired High Court judge. Appointed by who? By me. And who was the other person who signs the warrants? Okay, me. So you and a person that you have appointed sign the warrants. Okay, so that was just a little warm-up. this guy, you think that Obama is bad? You think that the Republican leadership are a bunch of elitist pricks? We got nothing on the Prime Minister of New Zealand. Listen to this woman asking about this program and how he feels the population of New Zealand, Kiwis as they'll say themselves in this interview or press conference,

2:28:20 How low he thinks of them. The GCSB bill fundamentally and incredibly changes the powers of the GCSB within New Zealand. You may think that's a good idea, you may think that's a bad idea, but the Prime Minister suspects you don't actually care at all. That's what he told Rebecca Wright at the National Party Conference over the weekend. Prime Minister, we are doing a State of the Nation this week with regards to the GCSB bill. My advice is switch to SNAPR and more people will watch Campbell Live, but it's up to you. Well how do you think that Kiwis feel about the bill? I think they're much more interested in the SNAPR quota. Are you hearing what he's saying? Yeah. He's saying I think the people are much more interested in the SNAPR quota, i.e. how much SNAPR you can catch.

2:29:07 But I'm not talking about the Snap Equator, I'm talking about the GCSB bill. How do you think that they feel about the GCSB bill? Yeah, I think they're much more interested in the Snap Equator. Why? Because they like catching fish. As opposed to? Well, they can see that either A, they're fed a lot of information through information that they see, which is just incorrect. But most New Zealanders understand that actually there is the need for the GCSB. They accept the Government's perspective that there's a narrow focus to that, and they accept that this bill is improving oversight. But many of them will get a bit confused by experts that turn up on your show that aren't really experts and actually don't know what they're talking about. Will you turn up on our show and tell New Zealanders what you're talking about with regards to this bill on Monday week when we bring the results back? Probably not.

2:29:59 What a sanctimonious prick! And then, and now here's an explanation, okay, so we have to dumb it down because you know people only care about fishing in New Zealand. You stupid Kiwis with your snapper. Just go catch fish. Don't, don't, if you're on the internet don't worry, just catch fish. and the government is here to help you. So what happens under that provision is if the GCSB wanted to provide cyber security support to an agency, let's take IRD and its facility, okay? So that's the provision under which again they have to go through that process of getting a warrant by the inspector, by the commissioner, by me, subject to oversight of the commissioner, okay, the inspector, okay, fine. So that's the first thing, you have to get a warrant.

2:30:46 Do you know what happens under that? They cannot look at the content of anything in there. All they can do is protect you. So it's against malware or against a virus. So you have on your computer... Hold on, let me finish because it's really important people understand this. So on your computer at home, you almost certainly have Norton antivirus. Or you have some sort of antivirus thing that you've downloaded and paid money for. That is exactly what that is at a much higher level. I think we should adapt the same messaging. It's like Norton Antivirus, NSA, Norton's antivirus security agency, the disdain.

2:31:29 This guy is unbelievable. They should vote that guy out. Or does he... Well it's a parliamentary system so the public doesn't necessarily vote that guy in. Right, right, right. They vote a party in. They vote the party in and then the party puts... I would take that entire party who thinks this should be their leader and I would take... I don't know which party that is. But let's take a look and find out. What is this guy... What is... Key. John Key. You know what they should do? One guy should go up behind him and pretend like you're tying your shoe and then someone else should push him. That's what I'd be doing. What a dick. Sorry, y'all Kiwis down there. No one... You gotta be careful, man. I think the Kiwis can get rowdy. Well... I might get a little angry. I'd be careful. It's John Key.

2:32:17 Yeah, K-E-Y. Yeah, he is like, I'm looking at his picture, he looks like an idiot. Now, now, now, now, we don't make fun of appearances here on the No Agenda Show. We do all the time. Okay, then there's that. So this is the fifth national. It must be the something or other party. It's a bunch of parties that have combined because I guess they couldn't get a confidence and supply party with New Zealand party with the United Future Party with the Maori Party. He is in the town, he's a MP in a town called Hellensville. He's been in there since 2008. Wow, okay. Well, hey, you get the government you deserve. Let's see where Hellensville is. It's, you turn left at the sheep? Hellensville is in the middle of nowhere, looks like.

2:33:19 uses offices also shack he's got his electorate offices a shack yeah today well listen producers in new zealand keep fighting this guy keep fighting this because this is bull crap and and and and how this guy talks down he says that you're an idiot the public is in the national his party is the national party that's the party you vote against yeah uh... you uh... you fight against this guy By voting out the National Party. They're obviously, they think that he says himself, he thinks you're idiots. Yeah, you care more about fish and you're so stupid that you think that you should believe it's just like Norton Antivirus. He got 78% of the vote in the 2011 election in Annapolisville. Yeah, get that guy out. I have another little debunkerage that I wanted to bring in because it's irritating me.

2:34:10 Um, I don't know. Well, this is the news story and then this propagated all over the place. We have to meet in secret because if this nuclear worker was caught speaking to me, he'd pay a high price. If Tepco knew I was speaking with you, I'd be fired for sure. Speaking out is an act of suicide. Mr. Fujimoto works in the decontamination program at the Fukushima plant. He works 12-hour shifts for which he's paid just $10 an hour. And he's watched as TEPCO has failed repeatedly to stop the leak of radioactive groundwater, with 300 tons of it leaching into the Pacific every day. All right, so this is the meme. 300 tons of radioactive water leaking into the ocean every single day.

2:34:56 And so I see this story come up over and over and over again. And then it's here, naturalnews.com with Mike Adams, the health ranger. And now this is a really popular alternative news site. Right. And his headline, Fukushima now in state of emergency, leaking 300 tons of radioactive water into the ocean daily. I did something called, what is it called again? Math? Yeah, math. And I actually I'd sent an email to our knight, Sir Atomic Rod Adams and said, please help me understand. I feel like this is a meme because it's this 300 tons of radioactive water. You know, who's measured this? Where is this information coming from? Where are these facts coming from?

2:35:49 And I need some help on this. So, you know, I go to a source who actually drove around on subs in the water, atomic subs, and he works for an atomic energy company and he's a nuke guy. He says, well, here is the information for you on the highly radioactive groundwater. So the samples according to all the... It's the same story by the way. You can Google this, 300 tons radioactive water leaking into the ocean daily. It's the same story. And a single source has been propagating. Yes, which means it's propaganda. Okay, the quote is a select few samples have indicated strontium-90 at quote 30 times drinking water standards.

2:36:31 He says that sounds scary. 30 times drinking water standards. The standard for strontium-90 in drinking water is 0.3 picocurie per liter. Picocurie apparently is a B in a Q. I thought it was a B in a Q. Picocurie, curie as in Madame Curie. A person who drinks a liter per day of water contaminated to 9 picocurie, which is 30 times the standard, would receive an annual dose of 0.09 microserviettes. Normal background radiation is between 2.4 and 3.0 microserviette per year depending on the source of information. In other words, big deal. Not. So you're receiving up to 3 microserviettes per year of radiation just from the background

2:37:26 But if you drank a liter of this water, which you not because it's going into the ocean, but let's say you did, for an entire year, you would receive 0.09 microserviette. So it's not all that scary. They're making it sound scary by giving you information that is clear, but you don't know what it means. And the final conclusion you've drawn? Well, it's the same conclusion as always. You kind of drove the truck into the wall there. Yeah, well it's the same conclusion as always, is that this is propaganda to make you anti-nuclear when it is the definition of renewable energy. Yeah, no, I know that you harp on this more than I do. Yeah, but I want to point it out and that when you read this and these headlines from your alternative news service... Yeah, well, I'll tell you what bothers me.

2:38:27 And this has been going on, I think to start, remember when was Fukushima? Three years ago? Two years ago? Well right, it was non-stop this thing's gonna blow. This thing's gonna kill us all. And it was like, oh now it's gonna melt down. It's gonna do all the... This has been going on. Remember that one time when there was a bunch of memes floating around? Dude, you had a Geiger counter for your fish. Yeah, well... Don't deny it. Yeah, well there was there's fish around there and if it comes from Japan I'm skeptical of fish from Japan that's around there but it's not I don't care if the fishes come off the coast of California. So anyway, no I'm not talking about that I'm talking about the doomsday. Yeah, with the cloud was coming over we were all gonna die. Alex Jones was selling iodine.

2:39:20 He made a million bucks on iodine, I'll tell you that. We're idiots, we're stupid. We're stupid. We're stupid. It's because we don't jump on board, but if we did we'd probably be making some serious money. But anyway, and all the Twitter guys, oh you guys ought to cover this on no agenda. It's gonna blow! Cover it on no agenda because it's gonna blow! And it's like, it's not gonna blow and we're not covering it. And so now it just continues. Yeah. It does and and I and I remain by my theory that this was and we have all kinds remember that was the the Tsunami bombs that were tested we have you know evidence that there were that there was tons of tsunami bombs And you know this was a very very shallow Earthquake right you had this and I still I still think it was set up. Yes, sir. I'll get a new treats Yeah, well go read state of fear

2:40:15 Well, State of Fears tells us a lot. So talking about telling us a lot some of these books, there's a good book out there on Cornelius Vanderbilt, the first tycoon by a local writer named T.J. Stiles, and who's been on the speaking circuit for a while. He won a Pulitzer and a National Book Award for this piece of history. I've heard him speak a few times and the book is a must-read, especially for people who like biographies. But you have to, there's a little side note about this woman named Victoria Woodhall who is apparently the reason there was never a good biography of Vanderbilt's because all his stuff was scattered everywhere. He never kept a library or never created anything that would, so make, because he claims that most biographers and I think there's some truth to this, like to find a cache of material so they can sit on their butts and watch.

2:41:02 Place and write a biography they don't like to spend in his case six years combing the country for documents But I just thought that this was just a funny little clip I picked it off on one of his speeches talking about this woman And you'll see what the punchline is you understand why this is a clip if only I knew which clip it was it says victoria woodhull all that would be the last clip in the book question which is the issue of victoria woodhull and tennessee clathlin how did they factor into the definitely not part of the business side of of vanderbilt That's one of the many interesting side lights. A life this long intersected with a lot of famous and sometimes notorious people. Are people generally familiar with who Victoria Woodhull is? No? It's all right. Victoria Woodhull was one of those interesting kind of

2:41:55 footnote yet more than footnote characters in 19th century American history and she, her name came up during the last election because of Hillary's run for the presidency. She famously ran for president in 1872, the first woman to announce herself as a candidate. She was a really fascinating figure in part because I think she was in part a con artist. Wow, I didn't know this story. That's cool. I like that. I just saw the parallels. I gotta look at this now, this is interesting. I visited the Vanderbilt mansion.

2:42:34 one of many that are all done not by Cornelius but by Cornelius apparently was not a skinflint but he didn't believe in mansions and so it was William that who sired most of the family which was his son who cranked out all these mansions so that still knows this only it's one generation it's one group group removed from Cornelius. You'll never, I don't know if there's a house that has anything to do. He had, here's an interesting little factoid, comparing his wealth to Bill Gates, at the time of his maximum wealth, his total wealth amounted to $1.

2:43:12 in every $20 in circulation. Wow. Wow. Bill Gates is rich, but his wealth amounts to $1 in every $140 in circulation. Wow. Victoria Woodhull was an advocate of free love. That's my kind of girl. Yeah. She went from rags to riches twice. Watch your wallet. Her first fortune being made on the road as a highly successful magnetic healer. Nice. Yeah, there's a lot he talks about this actually I'll see if I can clip this out. Yeah get some of that for Sunday That's how that sounds like there was the magnetic healing thing is quite interesting and apparently Cornelius was into that too It says he says it was essentially deep massage therapy But there was a lot of seance and all kinds of stuff back to the back to the free love bit. Yeah It comes and goes uh-huh AIDS didn't help it, but don't get me started on that. Oh

2:44:11 No, no, no So so just one little thing American Airlines and and us air they they were gonna merge and then they killed it Yeah, and of course now they're whining because they proved all these other mergers But what happened was the Justice Department looked at what all these other mergers did and they said this is not it's not working out But I just got this one clip I think that is two of them. I think you know let's try the Yes, gotta be this one merger hurts competition clip. You got to listen to these two CEOs yucking it up when they when they when this deal first came about about six months ago and the comment that one CEO makes I just rolled my eyes

2:44:52 It was all smiles and backslaps six months ago as the airline's CEOs announced plans to merge. This really is about taking two airlines, putting them together and providing better service to customers. Our view is it increases competition, doesn't decrease competition. What bullcrap? This is about improving service and increasing competition by becoming a big one airline in the city. So in other words, in parts of the country, apparently Reagan International Airline, 75% of the airport would be devoted to this one new airline. Oh yeah, this is not a good idea. I mean, these, listen to these guys, why do they even, why doesn't somebody pie these guys? There's no way

2:45:34 This is going to increase competition or improve service. I've been in the airline industry and it's incredibly, at a very small scale, but I learned a lot about the business and it's incredibly difficult to make money with the unions. And it's not just the unions, at the airlines, it's everywhere. I mean, the whole business, it's basically a money losing business. It just is. It's just you can't make money with an airline. It's burning your money in the air. And it shows, you know, it shows where now they're moving your suitcase, you have to pay for your luggage and if it's over 40 pounds, you can't... it's just crazy. It's too bad. I'm telling you, I'm still waiting for the day and I suspect it will come where they weigh you. Yeah.

2:46:25 And you probably fly by the pound. This is the way to stop the weight, you know, to get weight loss in this country to take hold. Yeah. If you're going to pay for the pound and you're a big fat guy, you're going to probably lose some weight to save some money. Did you know that Delta now owns 49 percent of Virgin Atlantic? No, I didn't know that. Yeah. I learned that only by reading the In-Flight Magazine. Not a lot of people talk. They wanted to buy the whole thing. And I bet you that Branson wanted to sell the whole thing. Because he's looking at it too, going like, oh crap man, this is just like burning my money in the air. Even though he's just a front man, doesn't really do anything. A front man for who? For the real money guys. Yeah. These big hedge funds and stuff. Eh, come on man, come on. I could be Richard Branson.

2:47:15 You look like him. I do not look like him. So here's a story that came out in just in recent local story. Tell me this is a good idea. Play the clip Brown and the transgenders. It's about high schoolers. Governor Brown signed a groundbreaking bill into law today. It allows the state's transgender students to choose which bathrooms they use and on which sports teams they wish to participate. Yeah, whatever. I don't care. I just think it's gonna be a nightmare. I really don't care. And why do high school, how does a high school kid become a transgender so soon? Don't you want to be a little older before you make such a decision? No, unfortunately a lot of parents make decisions for these kids which I think is not necessarily a good idea and they make it early on. Yeah, the whole idea of men's bathroom, it's all like this Puritan thing. Well we could have a... People just used to... There are restaurants that have

2:48:15 Unisex shirt unisex tons of in Austin is very common very common. I think it's it's a good thing Well, if you did that that would be better. Why don't they just do that make it unisex? No, I agree this we've got we're so When I was growing up in Europe, the Europeans used to laugh about the prude Americans. Oh my gosh, you can't even talk about nipples or anything. You can't show anything. Oh my god, they're so prude. Which of course is true. You know, now we're in this weird situation where we're still in, we have this very prudish culture, yet we're trying to be really open and free. It's like, it's such a dichotomy. I think it's hurting people's brains, really. Well, I think it's designed to. Hey, you know, I'm looking at this general election in Helensville, I think I didn't notice this right away. There is a party in New Zealand called the Legalized Cannabis Party.

2:49:13 Yeah, I'd be voting for that. Yeah, they didn't get many votes. Because everyone was like, dude, let's vote. Oh man, you got any M&Ms? All right, it's all yours. I'm gonna see, I've got a kind of a fun clip. I'm following the New York mayoral election for one reason and one reason only, because I don't know any other candidate running but Anthony Weiner. And there's a chance he's going to win because that's how crazy it is. It's New York.

2:49:49 But he is he's he's insane and remember I know this guy I've interviewed this guy. He's a douchebag I knew him long when he was councilman and then I knew like oh, you're such an insincere prick and But now he's he's I'm not quite sure what is going on. You have to see the video It'll be in the show notes, but I have the audio he's so he shows up for some appearance on the street and this it seems like there's you know, like maybe ten journalists and nobody else and he's making fun of his entire appearance but worse there's a woman from ITN, the British news service and she's asking him questions and he's going off the deep end and I thought it might be fun to listen to it. Or it's American media from British media. Well whilst we're talking then, it seems we're walking along, how do you maintain such resilience in this campaign?

2:50:48 I can't, you want to be there, I'm sorry about that guys, I'm handing it to the wrong person. Laura? Yes, right here. Can I just take this? What do you mean? If you want to be the mayor of the city of New York, you got to work hard. And you got to fight. Okay. What about what's going on in your personal life? How do you deal with that when you're confronted and you've been so exposed, your family humiliated? Nice to see you. Thank you, brother. How do you carry on when what's going on in your personal life? I guess you must be under the impression this is supposed to be easy. It's not. I'm fighting for a tough job. It requires a lot of toughness when you're on the job. So this is the way I'd want it to be. Is it ambition? Is it a hunger for the big job, the power?

2:51:26 i think you seriously no i it's me it has to do with wanting to be mayor of the city of new york and one of the middle class in a struggling to make it what do you want to do for this is for the hunger for the big job uh... what you know what's at anthony weiner dot com on a fight for the middle class in the struggling to make it with anything stop here i just have a feeling i'd like stepped into a monty python bit i don't know what anything stop me what do you know what now is a rock and a fall ahead no nothing to stop me i'm gonna win this election What makes you so sure you're going to win this election? What can you give these people? I'm going to work hard for them. I've got better ideas, I come from a better place, I'm building a campaign on ideas for the middle class and those struggling to make it. And every single day I'm fighting to show them that I want their support. Look at me. When I started this campaign I was 6'9", 240 pounds is all that's left of me. By the time I'm done with this campaign I'm going to slide under the door at Gracie Mansion.

2:52:22 Anything else I can do for ITV? You want me to do the weather or something? If you can do the weather, you can do the weather for me. Where is it from? This is in England? You can do the weather here in New York if you like. No, no, no. Do yours instead. It's going to be raining, cloudy and grey. So, do what you can, guys. Try to keep your head up. Keep a stiff... What is it? Stiff upper lip? You know, I think he's being forced to do this, John. What a douche. But he doesn't want to do this. He's being forced into it. Middle class and those struggling to make it. Middle class and those struggling to make it. Yeah, they're forcing him to... I don't know what's going on. Well, who's they? The Clintons. It has to be the Clintons. Yeah, of course it's the Clintons. Duh. They own him. But, I mean, wow. This is... It's sad. It's just sad.

2:53:09 I think you know what this time I wind up killing himself. Oh Put it put that in the book. I'm putting in the red book. Just that in the book This is not this it's not not going well for him by the way if you want to take it to the next level He might he might appear to have killed himself. Well. Hello Clinton body count Google that Alright, I like a teenager nowadays Hello, please how easy is not that would not yeah, and I have Ted Koppel who was he was kind of funny these days. Yeah, he's a real Obama bot hit it

2:53:56 America's chronic overreaction to terrorism with the headline you wrote we have created an economy of fear an industry of fear a National psychology of fear al-qaeda could have never achieved that on its own. We have inflicted it on ourselves look Fundamentally there are two sets of questions that apply in the war against terrorism the one set of questions deals with the Where is it gonna? Where is it gonna happen? What's gonna happen? When is it gonna happen the? The other set of questions deals with what is it that our enemy, the terrorists, are trying to achieve? What are they trying to induce us to do? Take a look at what's been happening over the past week. With a conference call, Al-Qaeda has effectively shut down 20 US embassies around North Africa and the Middle East. I thought that was pretty funny. I think it was a video conference call, actually. He's right, though.

2:54:53 So the guy running that's ahead is this Bill de Blasio. He's leading with 30 percent. What are you talking about? I'm talking about the New York race. You said you don't know who is winning. Okay, you're back to that. Winner, I just went to look it up because I wanted to know and Wiener's down to 10 percent. Really? Oh, I had expected. Down from 16. Everyone in the chat room is saying he's, it's that this story, um, The wiener store, he is Peter from House of Cards. And I've seen House of Cards and wow, spot on. So here's how it happens. He kills himself, uh, asphyxiation in his car, um, after, uh, getting caught one more time.

2:55:44 Doing whatever he does and then but of course he's the way it happened was as he was He was drugged and they put him in this car in the garage and left the engine running and then he died yeah, so look for a an exhaust pipe suicided death for Anthony Weiner That could be, if it happened it wouldn't surprise me. If life imitates art. Especially if life imitates art and we've been doing this show long enough to know some of this stuff. It can actually happen. Yeah he shot himself twice in the head. With a gun in his left hand. You think it's crazy? Google it. Alright I'm gonna go read up on Victoria Woodhull. I think that there's stuff to be learned here about what we can expect from Hillary. Yeah.

2:56:30 She's a hillbilly when she was if she pictures are in college. She looks like a free love chick She looks a bit like Victoria Woodhull actually with the short hair. Huh check it out Yeah, let's sit black and white she had a big booty though. Well I will be back on Sunday And I'm sure there'll be a lot more for us to talk about there's some research that I've been doing on a couple other things There's more on the war on sugar some more magic numbers She has a Hillary vibe. Yes, she does. Coming to you here from the Travis Heights hideout in the capital of the drone star state in Austin, Texas. Proud to be your crackpot in the morning everybody. I'm Adam Curry. And from Northern Silicon Valley where I'm proud to be the buzzkill and seven dog biscuits over five. I'm John C. Dvorak. I'll raise you five whiskeys on that. We'll be back on Sunday right here on No Agenda.

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