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00:00 You like the redhead? Adam Curry, John C. Dvorak It's Thursday July 11th 2013 time for your Gitmo Nation Media Assassination Episode 529er! This is no agenda Not sponsored by Soros here at the Travis Heights hideout in Austin Texas capital of the drone star state In the morning everybody I'm Adam Curry and from northern Silicon Valley where it's a little earlier than usual i'm John C. Dvorak It's Crackpot and Buzzkill Right on no big big problems, but we're early and everything falls apart the whole infrastructure the entire network is Not in charge of all that so I think to the show No, yeah, I think we're uh So I don't believe were streaming live But now I would say the majority people hear this show on the podcast anyway, so yeah

00:57 So what are we doing? Why are we early. We're an hour earlier than normal, what's going on? I got a miss my daughter's birthday. Oh that's right How old is she wait a minute let me guess fine she 19 or 20 ah you hit it She's 19 or 20 Wow Huh? How fast it goes, John. Yeah... Yep! Now what?! I don't know. Don't worry for me it hasn't ended and my kid's gonna be 23 at the end of August and you know doesn't end

01:36 Are you charging these kids rent yet? She's getting pretty old. Who, Christina? Thanks So uh... Yeah Oh I don't charge the kids rent We should What do you think is an ogre? Paying rent or your getting out! Yeah that what my parents did and it took me three weeks Look at your parent. Well, I mean your dad just sitting by himself He'd probably like to have you having a around the house a little bit. I'm not so sure but he's not doing too well actually Yes, that's been the case since we started the show It's true. Yeah, no that's true but now he is really not doing so well. Why don't you go say hi to him? I'm gonna go say hi to him we're leaving... Yeah i'm coming back! I'm going to come and party with you guys You are NOT coming to party with us whatsoever Oh yeah! I am heading out! I kept getting tickets now Let me tell you what our schedule is everyone kind of knows

02:30 I think you should. So you can target me appropriately? Right, we should also mention yeah We've got a couple issues with a couple missing shows Will Well not really missing shows because they're going to fill them up with some outstanding content There's no doubt about it But we decided to take two shows off this year During the summer and wait a minute stop for second. I want to point out everybody Oh No! I want to point out to everybody That we've been doing the show for close to six years or six year anniversaries in October coming up and we've never taken one show off We did a clip show for Christmas a couple of years ago, and when I got married everyone gave me a show-off

03:11 Remember that yeah, what when would make it was just almost a year ago and Mickey night got married is that we did 200.5 or three I think that's when we did 300 I don't know I don't remember but And I don't know how many episodes yeah, but we actually get a show no No We still have a show yeah of course and will stay well It's not like we're gonna go dark right didn't we decide Didn't we decide to put the I'm gonna go? Dark So Friday after, so we have Thursday we have the show next week then Friday Miss Mickey and I haul off to Amsterdam. Then on Sunday, I do the show from Amsterdam using the new ultimate podcast device which is this would be a good field test Yeah So I'm all I've been on it for the past two shows and I'm still kind of working on all the fine-tuning Not the same as a feel not the same as a field test exactly then Tubes are in this thing zero. Okay? It's no But we are replicating tube design that's for sure with

04:12 With dual rail power. It has an AC power adapter. Will it do 220? Yeah, of course it'll do 220 with a separate adapter you can't... This is why all these companies do DC adapters because they're cheap but I've learned a lot You wind up doing a lot of balancing and biasing internally if you use DC power instead of having your own power on board so we've got dual rail. The whole thing is high-end. It's just going to be great once it's done which will be maybe Maybe sometime near Christmas. Who knows? What do you think it would sell for oh, it's gonna have to be $400 I can't do it for any less 399 99 no No, I think it's gonna be if in fact, I would even say it'd have to be 499 99 But you can do that You can replicate the best podcast in the universe with this thing. I mean it set up to do it and

05:02 Okay, it's a mixer. It's all your process if you had to buy all the elements individually it would be $1,000 All right well sounds like a deal any light weight and small yes? Oh yeah, well wait until you see this module. It's it's it's like a cigarette pack That's how small it is So on Monday tiny knobs Very tiny knobs but for you will make really giant knobs We'll make a special John system on Monday we go to the south of France to my dear friend Michelle the gangster Um, he uh... He's got a house down there in between. This is the elite of the elite Does he listen to the show? Oh! He's a huge fan of the show. He always- He's all over The Reptiles I haven't seen his donor nomenclature Michelle? Uh....I think he donates in other ways if you're looking for Latour

05:54 I've been looking for Latour. Yeah, but if you happen to be in the south of France and you're looking for Latour... That's where I'm going! Right exactly and from there we're gonna drive to Florence to visit Willow. Florence? Are you gonna do a meetup?! Yeah well sure! Come on, do a meet up! A tweet-ups meet up! I'll do a huge meet up in Florence. I'm sure there are tons of Noah Jenna listeners in Italy. Right. I think there is two. Willow and Willow And then after, let me see... I think four or three days in Florence we're gonna oh and of course Mickey's gonna miss Mickey is going to visit our brain professors friend at the university there you know to look at more brains or whatever. You know how that goes? I have Nixon's brain! I have had it on ice for a long time

06:46 And then we fly back to Amsterdam, we're there for five or six days. Now you do a meet up there? We could, I'm gonna visit my daughter of course and then we fly back so actually when were back in Amsterdam than I'd do another show So the only shows that were not doing on July 25th and July 28th and then there'll be two shows from Amsterdam both field tests with the new box The 28th may be the Indianapolis NASCAR event Oh really? I might just go down to that To see if anyone can, we have a contact within the organization not within the organization but it's in the publicity world surrounding NASCAR to use it. They get a no agenda sticker on one of these. Yeah how cool is that? I love it! Let me ask you a question John this hit me this morning as uh... as the news report started coming out why is it and I'm certainly not going to accept any longer why is it people except

07:44 courtroom sketches the way they are drawn. The whole concept of, okay we can't have cameras in the court... For whatever reason but then we're going to have a sketch and these sketches are always like like an artist interpretation There's plenty of people you go to Central Park. There's guys who can sketch you perfectly You look fantastic, it's like that's you they can do it caricature for all I care But the courtroom sketches that are being done It can only be to hide the fact that there's no court session going on this is nothing Have you seen reports about this about sir? Nayef

08:21 Now, yeah. Yeah the Shania stuff is quite interesting. The latest is that it may not be him It's not him! Of course its not. Why else would you not allow cameras in the courtroom? During this court proceeding Anderson he was looking around He kept touching his face, he was fidgeting And he was almost as if ignoring what was going on The judge was speaking to him and didn't look at her As the charges were read against him he did stand up and said not guilty to each of those charges Now hold on a second He confessed to everything. How can he now say not guilty? What's going on with that?" This makes no sense. So here we have the actual report saying it's not the same guy. He speaks with a Russian accent, never heard him do that before Now if you look at the broad scope of things right now and today Of course we have some breaking news happening now in the George Zimmerman trial Which who gives a crap? If you really look at the two... let's look at it face value

09:45 Here we have a divide and conquer trial, which is what that is all about. Which has been going on for weeks now... It seems like weeks but... Months? With Zimmerman? The trial itself yeah CNN has switched to an all new 24-7 Zimmerman format I mean this is now as format you can sell around the world This is the Zimmerman news format But if you look okay one guy dead Yeah huge implications perhaps But then over here we have the Boston bombing, which will have long resounding implications upon our security state. The crouch and cower all the thing you know martial law multiple people killed according to the same CNN 260 people wounded yet We have no cameras in the courtroom

10:35 And we only have one or two morons who are so-called victims who are being interviewed and this is the package that was on every single news station, the exact same package I will remind you. This morning after making his first court appearance since the deadly attacks in April Joe Harzar and I have pleading not guilty to terror charges and he repeated that not guilty seven times meantime dozens of bombing survivors they came face-to-face Dozens! Dozens came... You have to pay attention to words Dozens came face to face. However, we only got two outside the courtroom who didn't really seem like they could even talk. With this 19 year old accused terrorist... So people in the courtroom said that he almost smirked during the hearing on a... Some people said what is this?

11:22 This is an important trial and we can't see it? What determines, John when we can or cannot see something on television when it comes to a trial. Is this national security? Is there something going on that we can't judge this guy right but why what is the reasoning what does the judge what is the judges reasoning behind this I could not find it. There's no consistent play on this everybody every judge has his own theory they don't want to do it they don't turn into a carnival all they have a million excuses and they just refuse to do it. Some don't do it, some do I dunno. Emotionally packed? What does that even mean?! This is a lie! You know...I've stayed away from all this for a long time This report-this woman was not in the courtroom

12:19 I do not know anyone who was actually there except, well you'll hear the two boneheads she gets at the end of this report. We spoke with say they didn't expect much more from the alleged suspect Appearing in an orange jumpsuit his hair disheveled but his voice- Hello? His hair disheveled?! I think it's disheveled is it not? It's disheveled yeah He could be disheveled! He could be disheveled if he hit him on the head with a shovel Disheveled are you kidding me Appearing in an orange jumpsuit, his hair disheveled with his voice strong as he pled not guilty seven times. The public got their first look at the man accused of killing three people and destroying hundreds of lives on the day of the Boston Marathon. I don't know...I actually felt sick to my stomach It's very emotional for me. It was kind of eerie, kinda upsetting

13:13 But then again, I felt good that I was able to be there. Okay So those are the entire two people they have in this report if they're like two typical Man on the street for blank and they filmed them on the street There were 260 people claimed wounded multiple deaths Where are if this had happened to any even if my daughter had been slightly wounded I'd be there. Yeah, I'd be outside yelling at the cameras. I've been doing all kind of stuff They have these two people with fanny packs and sunglasses. I'm sorry. I'm just not buying it anymore And then and then we have the Zimmerman trial to give us some courtroom feel which is going on 24-7 This is a huge a huge mistake that we are witnessing right now

13:59 It really is. This is not okay Well, what's the mistake? The mistake is that we allow ourselves to be snookered into still looking at these stupid sketches and then believe that this is taking place I don't even think this is taking place John Prove it to me! Prove to me that there was a trial taking place Well you have...I can't That's the problem Right I mean I think there is but I can't prove it All I want is a little proof. I'll be with you on this one, all these cases should be televised. Should be telemised and why not? They're open to the public there's a gallery in there if you can get in early enough. Well apparently you cant. Why cant we watch it on television this is the 21st century and this is like a big time case... And why not a picture? Why not a regular picture?

14:52 with a stupid drawing. A photograph, yes why not a photograph? Why do we accept this? This is not 1892 where they had to go develop and every... No! There's no reason for this There is no reason that we can't have a photograph and why doesn't anyone? Well, one of the reasons for no photographs at some point this is by the way No longer valid was the shutters were distracting But and of course if you go to any even these press conferences with Clippity-clop or anybody else right here click click click Yes, but you there are plenty of cameras are totally silent.

15:37 you know, before there were cameras let's say in the 1800s. Yeah! And then when cameras came to be that they were huge clunkers there were these giant press cameras with a big flash and so then when they finally had short little cameras they made a lot of racket and still most of them do You're making my point for me of course And now of course you have cameras that make zero noise. Use an iPhone and get better... I was gonna say, there's not a single person who was able to sneak in if an iPhone or camera or something everyone went through a metal detector is that what happened? Did everyone go through a slave scanner? You can't be in there on the iPhone right well I'm just not accepting it anymore It is no longer acceptable in the 21st century

16:21 to not have at least a photograph of what is taking place in the courtroom. It invigorates conspiracy theory. Right, as we're witnessing with you! There is no trial it's not taking place! Stop it prove it to me and by the way everyone saying well the guy who we think is there who we have no evidence no video or photographic evidence He's not the guy. He's taller, he speaks with a Russian accent... That's why you think I'm guilty! Yeah of course he is not guilty it's not him! I didn't do anything what am i even doing here? I just woke up here and got a headache What going on?! There is so much craziness And this is just the tip of the iceberg I have been running into so many things I think I need to start off with The Snow Job

17:20 I found out some stuff that is really, really quite disturbing. Yeah, it's quite disturbing. Let me get the pen! Well first let me see what...I need to remind everyone...let's just go back to a couple shows ago when we had this is at The Charlie Rose Show and it's very important if you're new to this program You know we have to bring back these clips from time-to-time so you really understand how things work Edward Snowden did not Drop a file on his server, you know He didn't put out a bit torrent of all these documents have not been floating around the world In fact exactly like wiki leaks he went to two press organizations turns out He actually went to 1 3rd which will talk about in a moment. Which is where my surprise comes from

18:06 And those press outlets, they determine what is going to be published. They have made everything public right after consulting with the government and that is what I wanted to replay just so we are reminded that this is the editor of The Guardian talking about what she did and she is the editor at large I believe in her senior editor Albritt's of course is there on The Charlie Rose Show And they went to the government and they talked about what they wanted to publish. Do you believe national security of United States has been damaged? I do not, and we have consulted with authorities about everything that we have published... Which authorities? With NSA, White House, DNI

18:46 Is this damaging to national security and should we, is there any real reason we should not publish this? We've invited specific national security concerns about...We let them know what were going to publish. And you know to the specifics of which slide or which presentation on which document on which date and... Tell me how that happens because it's interesting to me It has come up before with other news organizations in the United States Do you go to NSA authorities whether it's General Alexander someone else and say this is what we're prepared to publish. What's the next part of the question?

19:22 Well, in this situation you're not really asking a question because you have the information. You say I'm going to publish this? What's your response? You're saying this is what we have... Do you have a specific national security concern that you would like to alert us too? That is a question. Yes! That is a question or we are inviting you to raise and then we don't guarantee that we will agree with their interpretation but what were saying is we'd like to hear that And you heard it Actually, we haven't heard specific national security concerns about any of that. They never expressed any national security-specific concerns? No! Okay so they never expressed any specific national security concerns because they want this to happen they wanted this to take place and I think i can put together a pretty good picture now of all the players involved now what has happened

20:15 So let's say this took place. Let's just well by the way I want to remind listeners that you do one element in there which we have to consider for all the analysis which is, they gave him the documents and said no problem. And then everybody made a fuss! Right in fact... So in other words a lot of acting is taking place. Let's take a look at three actors right now before we go to the best actor of all which will be our president here is as big new Brzezinski on the Fareed Zakaria program and he kind of sets it up Brzezinski was a big guy in the Bush one regime I believe. It was back to Nixon oh yes right now I'm sorry he was Nixon's wasn't he? I don't think it was ever Secretary of State but he was yeah anyway go on but Brzezinski and of course Brzezinski his daughter Mika she's on the morning Joe show so the Brzezinski Empire reaches

21:08 Well, think of Daniel Ellsberg. Now Daniel Ellsberg is important in this case because I'm not so sure that Daniel Ellsberg was entirely clean either Daniel Ellsberg took his it was kind of the same model if you look at it He took this so-called Pentagon papers to The New York Times. I believe right John Yep, he also there was no servers for him to upload it to at the time So that was kind of the way and I have a feeling The New York Times Also did something very similar and it might have benefited some people To release this information in the manner that it was released So now Ellsberg is brought in kind of as the granddaddy of doing this kind of stuff and it's interesting how he is portrayed versus Bradley Manning or Edward Snowden. He was against our policy in Vietnam, he revealed classified documents. He did that in the United States and was prepared to face music

22:01 He may have been misguided, but he certainly was patriotic. What did this guy do? He goes to China and then he goes to Russia both countries that would like to replace us on top of the global totem pole and Russia certain under Putin is far from being friendly to the United States So what are his motives who's here trying to appeal to who are his allies that He made his choice in other words. I'm very skeptical about his motivations Maybe he's psychologically mixed up, but he certainly no friend of the United States objectively and maybe even subjectively So here's Brzezinski basically saying the guy is a spy for China and or Russia so that's one way of looking at it now in the same show we have

22:47 We have Richard Haass, who is an elite douchebag from the Council on Foreign Relations. Machiavelli once said that you can tell somebody by the people he has around them well this character the countries that are potentially willing to take him are essentially outliers and that tells you something. They're really outside to the extent there even is an international community, they are not part of it this has turned into a farce but we should not forget wrapped around this farce is a tragedy Hold on a second You have to wind back a little bit because this guy's on a roll I was waiting for you to catch this yeah okay But wait a minute So they're outliers China and Russia are not part of the international community No, they are not everything we buy is from China. China is the most up-and-coming country in the world What do you mean there? What does this guy trying to pull yeah well This is this is the end for free should be called out as Rose call him out for being full enough crap It's for not rose. This is for Reed Zakaria Oh cigar never mind Do I need to say more

23:46 No, Zakaria won't call anyone out. He's sitting there agreeing... If anybody is an anti-American it's that guy! I think Zakaria is also on the Council of Foreign Relations, is he not? I have a feeling he is. He might be, he probably is but the point is... Well if they let Aaron Burnett in... Redoing the Constitution throwing it out and all the rest of that. Yeah exactly so this guy's short and then we'll get to the final one That tells you something they're really outside To the extent there even is an international community They are not There's not even an international community just so you know There's nothing really going on Part of it This has turned into a farce But we should not forget wrapped around this farce Is a tragedy This guy is not a whistleblower Wait isn't this guy Woody Allen?

24:23 lower he's a felon he committed treason and what he did not have fell in any didn't commit he's not been convicted of anything and it did not commit treason is the villain and he's not a traitor he's never these floating around this guy's full of crap easy you know If Snowden manages to squeak through this thing unscathed, this guy gets sued. That is total libel! Americans and others around the world less safe... So when I call Hillary Clinton a lying killing douchebag am i libelous? She's a public official you can call her anything you want. It would be fun at times to talk about him the way the media is

25:01 But this is serious stuff. People will be vulnerable because of the way that he has tipped off groups and individuals who want to do us severe harm, so wherever he ends up in an airport lounge or in Venezuela or wherever his legacy will be truly destructive." And this of course we know it not true because otherwise our national security apparatus would have said so to The Guardian prior to publishing Right, so these guys are essentially in there to do what they're supposed to which is slander the guy. We're not done yet! We still have the Wall Street Journal. They're going to slander him too. Brett Stevens? ...a government spy and we're realists also and all governments have intelligence agencies and they have legal controls which operate at the NSA under multiple administrations

25:50 both of these comments you know Martin Luther King wrote letter from a Birmingham jail what is Snowden going to write? Letter from Moscow transit lounge? Letter from a Venezuelan four-star hotel? Wait, wait first of all we had a false comparison here. He's comparing this guy to Martin Luther King who was not a whistleblower by any means! Not a whistleblower?! No What is this guy coming up with this? What is his name? the me recent die uh... the last interview that uh... greenwald did with him he's heat that we will publish to not we don't know if it green was doing interviews with anybody but has been well this is a great this was no that first interview you in hong kong yeah i'm getting there and all right let me take let me take you there and fast-paced these terrible things are happening i need to i need to reveal this out of the public at large one one comment though

27:04 We're holding Snowden, we want to hold Snowden morally accountable. Someone needs to ask how is it that after the Bradley Manning incident you can still have a 29 year old contractor not even working for the government itself essentially walking into the sanctum sanctorum of our American intelligence establishment and putting so much information on a zip drive or I assume this is... Well he seems to know everything! Zip drive, the Sanctum Sanctorum He's 29, he has all the talking points. Zip drive. Yes, seriously what you put hello 1980 calling You're right put it on a zip What thank you good point Good point do you have drivers for that will that work on Windows 8? Good point point well made one for Dvorak will mark up the large quantity of information

27:59 Someone within the intelligence establishment has to say, why do we let this happen again and again? It's funny because people used to always say that we need to share more intelligence. Government is too siloed you know... And now when you share intelligence it turns out the Bradley Mannings of the world and Edward Snowdens end up with too much intelligence happy median we got it okay the happy median that's what Fareed Zakaria is pushing towards and he saying that for a reason because he has personal meetings with the president, he goes to White House by himself you know little sit down little chat talk about the agenda this is well known well publicized I think that this was a very elaborate setup if you we go now This is from so i'm just gonna say that the guardian Just to give them, a little time but the guardian probably had this information around the beginning of may You know That you know because it just went on for a while and you know We can point to some specific dates so maybe they had this around the first or second week of may june 7th

28:57 so this is over a month ago here's what the president said when uh... snowden was not known yet um... but with the documents had been published in ship uh... absolutely certain that all the same birds are being properly observed having said all that you'll remember when i made that speech uh... couple weeks ago about of the need for us to shift out of a perpetual war mindset. I specifically said that one of the things we're going to have to discuss and debate is how are we striking this balance between the need to keep the American people safe, and our concerns about privacy? Because there are some trade-offs involved. Now, I welcome this debate

29:52 and I think it's healthy for our democracy. I think it is a sign of maturity because... So here he is saying, I welcome the debate and see? It appears to me that the debate was wanted all along He points back to the speech he had a couple weeks ago That was the May 23rd speech when he was interrupted by the so-called protester who interrupted him three times when he was talking mainly we thought about drones And I've always said you gotta be real careful with this guy because he's slick man, he puts stuff in and it comes back and says hey remember i told you that? I told you so! I did mention that. Let's go back to May 23rd and listen what he said about the balance between freedom and privacy when Snowden was not on the radar nothing had happened yet as far as we knew from the public eye Thwarting homegrown plots presents particular challenges in part because of our proud commitment to civil liberties for all

30:50 to but also build in privacy protections to prevent abuse. And what has happened since all this went down? We now have the new rat on your colleague program that the president has instated, so we're all... you know if we're government contractors were looking out at each other is this guy a crook? I mean this is totally..you know this is the way you start complete police state

31:35 But I looked at all the actors in this. Now we have the following people, we have Glenn Greenwald We have Ellsberg. He's involved, you know he's showing up in interviews. Oh yeah! Who are some of the other people that we find interesting? John Perry Barlow is out there with WikiLeaks we know I suspect him working for somebody. We have Jacob Assange. Yes, we have Jacob Applebaum who now all of a sudden is also a reporter. Now Jacob Applebaum who was credited with

32:19 I think doing the Onion Router or the Tor Network, but he is the guy that became a spokesperson for Julian Assange and he's the guy that tipped me off to...I keep forgetting her real name. I call her Leni Rufenstahl. That's not her name. Poitras? Laura Poitras! Now all of a sudden he's in Der Spiegel and he's been doing interviews with Snowden And he's the one that says, well I interviewed Snowden over encrypted communications channels. This is in The Indus Spiegel and he says that Snowden has admitted to him Jacob Applebaum that the NSA created Stuxnet and did it with the Israelis so this is now a big story So I'm looking at all these guys and then I read this story in Salon and I've got to read...this is an interview with Laura Poitras

33:11 And let me just pull this up for a second because what happened is Snowden went to her first according to her account. Why would he do that? Well, that was one of the questions I think This is kind of an oral interview, question and answer printed so it's very interesting How did this all begin? I was originally contacted in January anonymously This is how far back this goes By Edward Snowden? Well, I didn't know who it was. What was the format via email that said, I want to get your encryption key let's get on a secure channel and he didn't say what it was about no he just said that was the first and second was I have some information in the intelligence community and won't be waste of your time Do you get allot those kinds requests No I don't Did you immediately know what is best most secure protocol to go about actually I did Ok well stop there This is odd if you ask me

34:09 She's a documentary filmmaker and well then again she has a great backstory you know let me just remind people of her back story. Her backstory, we actually played some clips of her if you probably don't remember but it was over almost maybe couple years ago We played some clips of her when she was on Democracy Now! and being harassed by the government Yes like me she's been harassed and been held up at the border big deal This has happened to me many times. But she had a very worried look, she looked like she was about to cry during the whole thing She does look very...she has a great look Okay, go on. I said actually I did know how to go about it I've had lots of experience because i've been working with as you note in your thing I've done filming with wiki leaks I know Jacob Applebaum I've already had encryption keys but what he was asking for was beyond What I was using in terms of security and anonymity And how did it proceed from there? Well that's where I'm not going into a lot of details But sort of ongoing correspondence I didn't know I didn't have any biographical details or where he worked Had no idea

35:11 He made claims and said that he had documentation. At that point it was all completely theoretical Why do you think he contacted you? Well, I can't speak for him...I think he got a...uhh..what does it say?...He told me he contacted me because my border harassment meant that I'd be the person who had been selected To be selected and he went through a whole litany of things means everything you do every friend you have every purchase you make every street you cross means your being watched You probably don't like how the system works. I think you can tell the story." Now, this to me almost makes no sense. Laura Poitras is a filmmaker unless he wanted to have get a feature film role why would you contact her specifically if she know that she's being watched by everybody? But here's the thing that got me...that sent me into a tailspin

36:07 I can say from conversation that had with him after, that he had a suspicion of mainstream media and particularly what happened with the New York Times and the warrantless wiretapping story which as we know was shelved for a year. So we expressed... That to me but i think also in his choices of who he contacted, I didn't know if he was reaching out to Glenn at that point And here's the line that caught me off guard You and Glenn were already colleagues right? you sit on the board together! I'm like bored What board is that? That's not... okay. Uh-huh, look at the... This is a good catch! Oh no this is beyond. Look at the Freedom of the Press Foundation which you can find at freedompressfreedomfoundation.org

36:53 And here they are, ladies and gentlemen. The Board of Directors Daniel Ellsberg Glenn Greenwald John Cusack John Perry Barlow Josh Stearns Laura Poitras Rainey Reitman Trevor Tim Zenni Jardin Micah Lee Are you kidding me? So I'm like wait a minute! And you know me when it comes to any good foundation i'm all over it so i'm looking at for the 990's Freedom of the Press Foundation doesn't exist because they are not a real foundation. What they do though is they take 8% of all donations they bundle which they hand on to the organizations they benefit. The organizations are WikiLeaks, Bureau of Investigative Journalism, Center for Public Integrity Truthout, MuckRock News National Security Archive and The Uptake that's who their promoting this week and they say right there They take eight percent of all donations too I guess pay for their own salaries So who was really behind

37:55 The Freedom of the Press Foundation. Well, it says it right there on their website. The Freedom of the Press Foundation is made possible by the fiscal sponsorship of the Foundation for National Progress. Gee! What is that John? You tell me Adam. Mother Jones! Oh... The Foundation for National Progress is- they don't even have a website It's motherjones.com Who um so they are a non profit They had a nice $9 million income, not bad for a non-profit blog. Now I have to say they also publish...they've been publishing for a long time Very interesting history Michael Moore was their editor got into a huge fight he sued them for two million dollars they settled out of court

38:43 If you look at their reporting on 9-11, they are totally all in on the 9-11 commission report. They laugh about The Truth or Movies. They laugh about the truth of movement. They of course do not report who's donating this almost $10 million other than they break it up 2 million is from advertising 4 million is from programs they do where so they have specific I guess fund drives etc and then there's another four million, that's kind of how roughly how it split up. That comes from directly from donors who they by law do not have to mention but we do see that the George Soros Open Society Institute has donated at least $600,000 dollars to them this year alone so these guys they're not clean and they are funding directly funding

39:41 Greenwald, Poitras, Barlow, Jardin. Come on people! Come on! This is getting a little too obvious and Mike is in there to that kid yeah That's a good one. That's a good dig it but to me how can you have this freedom of the press foundation? It's not okay our mission Our mission is dedicated to helping defend and support aggressive public interest journalism focused on exposing mismanagement, corruption and law-breaking in government. We accept tax deductible donations to a variety of journalism organizations that push for government transparency and accountability." How it works? So what big news did they break that showed corruption in the government? Nothing!

40:37 Well they must have done something more than just have a couple of beers together and split up the 900,000. All they are is a front group for Mother Jones essentially just to go collect money and then they say that they're giving this money to WikiLeaks but they're not! They collect the money... They take 8% This Freedom Of The Press Foundation, they give 92% to Mother Jones And I guess Mother Jones then gives it to WikiLeaks, although I could find no evidence of that in their form 990. So I'm not so sure they do that. Maybe they do but this Freedom of the Press Foundation is not a real foundation at least they're not registered with the IRS as such or anything like that I can find But this group Zany Jardin? Oh man! I've suspected her for a long time now i'm sure This is a spook club...I'll say it That's pretty odd group Yeah

41:40 Sure, the only two people that were in the there aren't leaving having a wiki pages is Trevor Tim and Rainey Reitman I've heard the name rainy right man somewhere But I'm not sure in what context also affiliated according to the wiki with the electronic frontier foundation Which is also knee-deep into this. I also am and I have my suspicions about them if had my run ins that we're not so great I've had other people dead with similar complaints hmm it's an NGO Yeah, well then yeah NGO exactly so when I put all of this together and they look at all the pieces that are on the table it appears to me That this was a very elaborate setup And I'm not quite sure who's the patsy in all of this in fact? I will say that the freedom of the press foundation these guys are probably more patsy than even we realize they really believe That there did their great

42:39 I look at what Glenn Greenwald tweets all day. The guy, he's very full of what he is doing and by the way Glenn come back to America! You know everyone wants Snowden...I want Glenn Greenwald to come back to America why doesn't he live here? Throwing rocks from Brazil that easy no No, there's lots of patsies here and when you hear the president set it up... And by the way well yeah go on. Almost as a non sequitur in the conversation about drones and Muslim Americans and all of a sudden he says we need to have this conversation about the balance between security and privacy and then a few weeks later this comes out. Please I'm not buying the coincidence anymore I'm just not! He knew it was coming

43:29 Whether he was complicit in it or not, he knew it was coming. It WAS known within circles by this time because this goes back to January-February They had already been the Guardian had already been to the White House and to the Department of Defense Intelligence And to the NSA everyone knew what was going on. They also know this is good good to go No national security problem here This this good-to-go things a brisk problem number one The second problem which I do have a clip on and I want you to play it just tell me if you can identify this problem because this This is Glenn Greenwald and Democracy Now! with our friend Amy. And there's a big hole in the way that this is presented, and I think this probably helps you build your case. ...developments over the weekend...and then we'll go to your latest revelations about the countries that have offered Edward Snowden asylum what happened

44:24 to Evo Morales, the Bolivian president whose plane was forced down in Austria. Oh please! This makes me want to puke. Alright we'll keep going... Because it was believed Snowden was on board I think that the United States government has been its own worst enemy in this entire episode. The idea that they would pressure their European allies to block the plane carrying a president of a sovereign state from flying over their countries and force it to land rather dangerously in a country you had no intention of landing in simply because they wanted to deny Edward Snowden the international well-established right

45:01 is a really radical and extreme act. It just smacks of rogue nation status, and the kind of imperialism and colonialism that Latin America has long chafed at, I think that's the reason you're seeing so much support for Snowden in Latin American governments among the populations as well So for such a well-researched journalist, for someone who really does all his homework and is heralded as just a fantastic all round guy living in Brazil. Why does he not have a copy of the aircraft Foxtrot Alpha Bravo 001, the Falcon Trident? As it requests to land in Austria because they, which is a lie, a pilot's lie. Because they can't really tell how much fuel they have left I will remind you with the clip. Control, good evening, F-CBC01. F-CB001 good evening information Whiskey expect ILS runway 16. Information Whiskey, ILS runway 16, F-CBC01 Do you need any assistance?

46:06 Bravo 001, do you need any assistance upon landing? He says do you need any assistance and of course the what he should be saying is You are hereby forced to land. Land your aircraft immediately! We know you've got him on board. You will land here now?! ...need to land because we cannot get a correct indication of the fuel indication so as a precaution we need to land Okay... So there's the lie There's your forced landing. It was a forced landing! And these guys... Now everyone has gone with this meme, all these guys have gone with this meme and this gets to me because every time I watch the mainstream media or Democracy Now!, I mention this in the newsletter they're all in on this bull crap that wouldn't take very little work. We uncovered this reality How hard is it? Unless you're doing it on purpose and I think

47:03 And the funny thing is as more and more revelations come out we find that Portugal never blocked them from going over, they just blocked them from landing. Yeah they said we can't handle you right now which is not unusual which probably why he said... Okay, I'm a pilot so I get to say this with authority. When you want to change something of flight plan something's unplanned you have to communicate with air traffic control and if you know the guy or the gal you can say hey could you please give me some it actually they say for your consideration this is how you talk with air traffic control before your consideration when this is what I'd like to do but if you don't know the person

47:44 You have to say either, you can't declare an emergency. You cannot declare an emergency if you don't have one that can lose your license for good but you can say yeah we've got something going on here that we do not really like I've got a little fuel indication issue or i've got a sick passenger which you know I didn't say it heart attack could be puking could the air sick whatever these are the lies that you use remember that the Bolivian president had just come from Moscow so the whole thing was set up Hey, we'll make a landing. We'll make a big stink about it and do a press conference." That's what happened! And your great media, your guardians of reality there in Brazil and Democracy Now!, they're all in on it. Why can't anyone question this?

48:32 No, no one's questioned it. They've been forced down and then the plane was searched because they thought Snowden was on board And there was no... In the reality of it there was no thought that Snowden was on board They didn't know, but they gave the clearance to go all the way. I mean this whole thing...I think Putin's behind it Well no, Putin is certainly behind this part of it And here's what we want you guys to do You wanna have a say? The Bolivian guy because they're trade partners They've got 5 billion dollars in oil! Man, I've got a great idea Listen to this Now you don't have to do it if you don't want to But why don't you just float and go into

49:10 and head toward Europe, and then somehow land in Austria by just request. And you can do it a lot of different ways. And then we'll dream up this bullcrap story and see what happens." It's just amazing to me that this has not been... They haven't gone one little layer deeper. This whole thing, these people are just horrible! Why does anybody watch this news? Obviously they got hot chicks. Hello?! I watch it for the women. Yeah, even watch it for some of the guys! Ryan Williams? Here's the final paragraph that is a good this is a great interview It's in Salon by the way who are I think are complicit in this whole thing This where Glenn Greenwald came from you know salon is financed literally financed there were three million dollar-a-year deficit By the owner of Adobe not well the chairman the whole everyone's in on this

50:05 So how did it get to the point, the question is asked of Laura Poitras, filmmaker who Snowden reached out too because that's the person I'm going to go to. Yeah someone being constantly watched... yeah i'm gonna go to the person constantly watched who has no newspaper How did it get to the point where you knew was going to be a story and how did you decide where it was going to be published? so right here Salon is presuming in the questioning that she determined where it was going to be published. She's the handler of her story. Her answer, those are details I'm not going to go into! What? What I can say is that once I had a few pieces of correspondence... ...I said let me ask a couple people about this, people who have experience and I sat down with a couple of people one of whom was Bart Gelman

50:56 Bart Gelman at that point was not working for the Washington Post. You'll recall him saying that he was brought in as a consultant to publish this story, so he actually walked the story to The Washington Post! This thing it's its setup its club... It stinks of a cleansed out intestine So let's listen to a couple of things from this guy who was the really old, one of the oldest. I've never seen him before and never heard him before because when it comes to whistleblowers from the NSA... ...I've always been a fan of Binneys. Because Binney, I've seen them do public speaking We had clips of him and he seems genuinely annoyed Yeah but he is not dynamic though. Binney is kind of like the No he's not dynamic at all He's like the pissed off boring person He's like that guy with the red stapler

51:50 So let's... Right? I got my staple. If they make a mistake, I'm gonna burn the place down. They're gonna burn the place down. So uh.. Let's listen to this Tice character who is on Russia and this by way got most of the attention of the Twitterers and all the people that are somewhat... We've run Tice before right? Tice is the guy that said he even had eavesdrop on then-Senator Obama Yeah, because Tice had a thing on boiling frogs. He was interviewed yes yeah by Carb-A-Bear's B Smith who is an old fashioned guy? He's an old DJ type and he so every questions like this

52:28 Well, Adam. What else did you find out? In fact we're doing the thing now with the thing you just gave... Well Adam what else did you find out about John Perry Barlow? Well I found out that he is a former cattle rancher and one time lyricist for The Grateful Dead And can i ask another question? Yes please go ahead On the list of key people on The Freedom Of Press Foundation Why is John Cusack mentioned? I think probably because he has done many military industrial complex movies. You remember the one he did about the war in Iraq, you'll remember that this guy is a total shill and paid actor for the MIC

53:04 Oh, very good Adam. Very good report I will say! No my thanks goes to you Sir Dvorak. I'm always happy to be on your program So anyway so Carter B Smith is interviewing like that with Tice and it's just you can't keep but yeah he's almost like cracking up all the time because there not conversational which is really you know old-fashioned right? Let's listen to Tice though more recently where he actually brought out a couple of new little tidbits about...he was the guy who was Right, was involved with this spying on Obama in 2004. But I have... He's a whistleblower he is an NSA whistleblower Is he NSA or CIA? Yeah no no he was NSA How come he's not dead or in jail

53:47 Well, I think it was a good question. It doesn't qualify as a great question but it's worth noting. Worth noting but we'll play him anyway even though he seems like a nice enough guy But he has been out of the NSA for so long they can always just say what does he know? So let's play...I got three clips from Tice which have a couple little interesting items you may want to discuss Play one You've alleged that NSA abuses go far beyond what people are even talking about right now How far does it go Russ? Well, it goes very far because initially what I saw was They were targeting news organizations, they were targeting US companies that did international business. They were looking at financial institutions but they were also going after the State Department and Secretary of State Colin Powell at the time and they were going after high-ranking military generals and that was just with my space capabilities that I saw Now later when i got together with colleagues

54:47 and we started to put together the terrestrial side, that's the side that is being done with all those nodes all over the country with fiber optics and that sort of thing. Then we found out it got much worse because... And this was just a phone that we were looking at but it was also being done at the email level but that wasn't information I was getting. The information I was seeing were phone numbers they were being plugged into a system there was going after people's phone numbers and associated numbers. And a lot of numbers I wasn't even sure, but they went after law firms and lawyers."

55:24 They went after more generals. General Petraeus was one of the guys, it seemed like right about that three-star level they were going after admirals and generals. They went after the Supreme Court of which I held Judge Alito's paperwork in my hand numbers associated with Judge Alito that someone had put into this system that NSA used to spy on Judge Alito. And let's just break this down a little bit because these are explosive allegations right now that I have not heard anyone talk about before, that there were actually orders that you personally saw in your hands to wire tap Judge Alito, high-ranking intelligence officers David Treus and Barack Obama? Wannabe Senator Barack Obama at the time he wasn't even a senator. He had won his primary in Illinois

56:09 And I think maybe the catalyst, and I'm not sure was the fact that he had just done a big speech at the Democratic Convention. Alright hold on a second! Yeah it's not on PowerPoint but he is revealing information that enables Al Qaeda to circumvent all kinds of measures we have in place This... this.. He is a felon and a traitor And he's doing it with the Russians literally. He's on Russia funded state media Yeah, saying this and and the question you're asking me let me try to guess is what are you gonna? Say why isn't somebody making a fuss about this that would be one way of phrase especially those guys on Zakaria's yes, yes bag show yeah Do this is only to fuel The conversation this is too

56:58 Give the Abby Martins who I put in the same bracket as Alex Jones. She even talks the same way now Let's break this down. This is explosive news We watch her get fat watch it's gonna happen and she'll start selling seeds You watch you watch like a Vegan or you watch you watch you watch is all about to happen Well, we'll keep an eye on her Okay So let's move on with more of Tice Yeah Number two? Yeah, yeah. I guess the next question is who was administering the surveillance That's a good question. I don't know the answer to that It looked like the plugging in of these phone numbers was being done in the evenings at NSA

57:43 So almost it was like being done on the sly, even so that most NSA employees did not know what was going on. Now a high-level person at NSA told me this was being directed from the Vice President office That would be Vice President Dick Cheney I don't know that for sure but that's what i was told from a very senior person at NSA Oh please! So high level Bush administration official...I guess the next question is why? Why was it being done I mean, the first thing that comes to my mind is blackmail. I don't know the answer to that either What do you think? Based on your experience Russ... Russ! What could be reason B to- Yeah because we were hanging out at a bar having a drink earlier ...be wiretapping and spying on people like Obama, Judge Alito, Petraeus They should put him in the club In the Freedom of the Press Club It's not Olito it's Alito But I like Alito better

58:35 He's kind of doing what we do now. It's like making fun of people's names Yeah, so I hear you hit the word You know to me? I don't know for sure But that would be a means of control if you were to look and and be able to listen to everybody's conversation For years on end for a period of time you could probably find out perhaps some salacious information That could be used to control that individual yes salacious Salacious information did you say you said Abby steals Adams line what is this oh Abby steals Adam's line. It was a clip I see play it I can't trust anything. I mean all these political politicians just seem like actors, and then I called DC Hollywood for ugly people Tell what these people really think but I wanted to go into the media Oh, I call I called DC Hollywood for ugly people because I heard on the no agenda show Then I can't think of a single original thought myself Idiot alright, it's all right cuz we're we're raking her over the coals here That's fine. That's fair

59:34 Okay, tight ice three would you know what she should do here Abby Abby? Let me give you a tip. What really works if you come out of like a package okay with let's say someone is a real douchebag You go ahead and you say what a douche bag Say it I'm telling you your audience will love it Yeah They would I think you're right this is but I'm gonna told you now the tip is scolding you scolding me yeah why This is like free consulting. You're taking money out of the pockets... Of my child! ...of the Curry Dvorak Consulting Group by just giving it away. But you got a crush on the woman? I'm sorry, I don't know what i'm thinking Yes, I'm appropriately scolded All right, TICE 3 Well, I have two TICE 3 clips so can you tell me which one you want Intel or police

1:00:27 Okay, I think Intel that this by the way I'll set up the Intel one of it's funny. I'll set up to Intel when she is saying well if its not you they're saying well is it possible that its not Cheney although I actually like that better very funny It could be the upper echelons of intelligence community and he discusses that If say it's the intelligence community, I noticed that the intelligence community is not being hit with a sequester of the intelligence budget. Well how is that possible? Is there some kind of leverage that's being placed on our three branches of government to make sure that the intelligence community gets what they want in other words

1:01:06 Is the intelligence community running this country, not our government? And I guess that begs the question what is there some sort of shadow government at play. Are we talking about the military industrial complex... Wait wait can she say New World Order! Can she say it in the next 20 seconds?! What do you think as an insider and through all your research on people that you've talked to Who's running the show here, Russ? Well remember I don't know for sure. I just know that a whole lot of people got wiretapped but if i had to guess...I would say it's the upper echelon of the intelligence community that is running this show Yeah nice choice of words. Echelon always good to use throw that in and of course we know the CIA runs the show duh

1:01:51 And now we have the new douche from the FBI coming in, coming in from HSBC. The very people... Yeah well they gotta keep everything you know this drug, the back grounder is They're running drugs. That's why they don't want to legalize drugs in this country, despite what we've done... Nobody wants to talk about Portugal's experiment working just fine. What is it now? 14 years? I had clips which i haven't played but clips where these guys are on TV saying no! Portugal is a disaster and in Holland everybody strung out on heroin. We're all stoned man! Did you see Comey's

1:02:30 confirmation hearing? No, but play that after we get rid of this last clip. Tice, all right last tice. Tangible letter that goes to the post office they're taking a picture of everything they're looking at the return address and they're looking at... Oh come on John! The guy is just a promoter He's just out there to promote and he looks in the newspaper, goes okay I'll say that. And also all right yeah oh it's crazy look what they're doing this guy probably never even went inside the NSA who knows if you don't work for him. Who is mailing something and that is also being digitally stored so every means of communication in this country everything is being watched by the federal government and that is Orwellian and that is a trademark of a police state. Yeah okay

1:03:12 So the fact that he's going on second-rate shows like Abby Martin on RT. Break the set! Shows you, I mean there are no ratings on that. There is no one watching that except people who want to buy seeds and us yeah. And look at the ratings come on this is... You got it? You gotta be on Fox if you're not on Fox then you're not on news You can see an end works if you're on often enough because they might repeat it so if you're on pooper show maybe Certainly not Aaron Burnett place. So we have this guy Comey now call me was in the bush he called me 2012 That's right. Yeah close a movie made about him. Yeah, this is the guy exactly

1:03:59 Now a lot of people are looking at his history. Stek, by the way one of our producers is so deep on this guy and you know how the FBI runs Intel to get an edge on the financial markets which I'm sure is all true he's just... Stek is really deep into that I love seeing his research. Yeah once we mention what you mentioned in the show that the real key here is just switch it all around don't make it about spying on people at least just generally but make it about spying on people who are doing mergers and acquisitions, see what kind of deals you can get in on. These guys are walking out of... the guys who have this sort of insight they're going to a government job for $85-$125k or whatever they pay at this echelon They walk away with millions of dollars! How do you make so many good stock market trades when it's not your job? Here is what gets better with this guy

1:04:55 Now he was in the Bush administration, he also approved of waterboarding people. Okay we'll oversee that you know it's like well let that slip by yeah it's just a bunch of Arabs who cares no problem there were all good and his three hours of testimony was funny it was like a bar mitzvah I should have just given him presents. Just like, hey welcome to the club! Envelopes of money? Yes. Taped to his back. I'm sure he's used to it. Well... He is on the board of directors for HSBC. HSBC who just settled for a little under two billion dollars with no one going to jail for laundering drug money from Mexico

1:05:37 Which is what the economy is running on. So I'm also not against any of this, all power to you it's all great I'm fine with that. Keeps everything running and keeps everything afloat. And by the way I want to remind people out there if you want just make sure you have a little background on this get a grant or get off Netflix Cocaine Cowboys and see how the banks in South Florida blossomed and blew. There was hundreds of them making nothing but money until the whole scene dried up. MSNBC, no CNBC they played that movie a couple weeks ago you know they always have like yeah it's like a schizophrenic network yes it's like they celebrate so during the day they have the stock market and Maria Bartiromo and all the money honeys and then at night they celebrate with shows about hookers

1:06:28 Like, hey! This is our other job. Look at this." So HSBC who got this great settlement he's on the board of directors and the FBI's job is to literally stop this kind of fraud. This is what they're supposed to do so this guy's gonna be in charge of his former buddies anyway that's fine it makes so much sense to me But during this little confirmation, someone is asked about... he finally gets a question from a Democratic Senator. I forget her name. She actually...I don't have it on the clip but she says you know my dad's a reporter so i have to ask this question.

1:07:06 And I'm a co-sponsor of the Free Flow of Information Act. It was the first time it was introduced and am now to protect the freedom of the press. Can you talk about your views on how law enforcement should balance one of our nation's most cherished rights, that is freedom of the press and the investigations of classified information leaks? Excuse me, I bumped into you. With my billy club when we do those bumps. We have to understand we Essentially a bump you know bump is basically putting cocaine on the tip of your penis and inserting it anally into someone just so You know a comey next time you use that phrase, so what a remarkable country This is is that aggressive sometimes pain in the neck press there are great pain in the neck And so an enforcer has to keep both of those front-of-mind enforcer

1:08:03 And then in each case try to work it keeps using the phrase front in mind front in mind bump Enforcer this guy is gay, so you preserve both of those values You're gonna make mistakes But if you keep both front of mind I think in the main front of mine It's in the front of man get it right The front of mine is where you have a lobotomy, so I think that's probably why they need to keep it there so they can remove it surgically. And and I'm aware of the shield legislation. I testified about a different shield bill when I was still in government that didn't have a carve out for national security which was very concerning to us. I gather this is different? Yeah! Didn't have a carve out...a carve out...a carve out. He actually pointed out what we pointed out which

1:08:45 No, of course this is listen to nobody but us. But he pointed out what the problem was with his bull crap shield law and when the media goes oh there's gonna be a shield law Obama's idea There's a carve-out It's not a shield law And I just need to say it hold on a second What is that? First Amendment right yeah okay I just want to read it so people understand why this conversation by itself is unconstitutional I shall read for you again because people forget to do this. The text, wow Wikipedia why don't you just show the text here it is Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion or prohibiting the free exercise thereof or abridging the freedom of speech or of the press or the right of the people peaceably to assemble and to petition the government for a redress of grievances

1:09:47 Again, Congress shall make no law. So shield law is unconstitutional because it has the word law in it. Shield Law! Congress shall make NO LAW to abridge the freedom of the press. Done! And these people are sitting there with a straight face asking these questions and he's answering them that way? No one is going YO! Wait a minute!! blows my mind. I know it does, you love this. You love the fact that these guys are the worst boneheads! This is our Congress! Yeah yeah! I don't know if half of them have even read the Constitution? Here we are an hour into the show and we have not thanked our executive producers for the only reason this show was on air so let me say right now in the morning to you John C. Dvorak Well in the morning to you Adam Curry

1:10:47 And I wanted also say in the morning to all the ships at sea and all the boots on the ground and all the subs in the water, and the feet in the air. And also the dames and knights out there there so I'll pick it up because you're clearly opening the spreadsheet. I'd also like to thank all of our producers who showed up in the chat room Noah Jenna stream calm no agenda chat net an hour earlier today also Thank You Jack blood, I think There was some confusion. I'll take that on on me that I should have probably mentioned it to our crack stream team

1:11:23 apparently weren't listening to the show. Well people are busy everyone's got a real job John this is all you know they're just doing stuff for us you can't complain do not look I'm just give I'm chiding them chiding them okay anyway we appreciate it so will you preach because it's important to have the live audience what were doing their show it does make a difference, it feels different also thank you to our artists thank you too Patrick Baus who provided the artwork for No Agenda show episode 528. This is 529, can't wait to see what we get at noagendartgenerator.com and we have I believe one or two executive producers to thank today on the show yeah yeah yeah Mike, by way of a make good for Michael Miller, Timberline, we didn't credit him 7713 in last show IPay Solutions which supposedly has a note from Oklahoma City they came in with

1:12:18 Well, I have a blank thing here on mine but i think it's... Oh okay. There is something amiss with this for one thing I don't have a note from any IPA solutions that I can find in my inbox and the amount given here is like..is....I don't know But this will have to move on Is this just incorrect? This isn't something wrong on this record? We have to move IPA solutions to The Thursday Show to straighten this out So let's start with Sir Dwayne Mellon song. Holy moly, Sir Dwayne! The knights stepping up as usual. It came at $250-$252 and he of course is the Baron I guess he's becoming... $750 to $750.

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1:14:49 You've got karma. That's great. We're going to have to start drawing up maps for these guys. Yeah, we do! We don't want any internecine battles where the knights are fighting each other with armies Can you imagine? That would be horrible. Warren Carroll in Seattle Washington 3333 The No Agenda Show has taught me how to question what I see on TV which apparently Makes me question what I see on TV. Reading the news and hear from other people, yes which is a real problem by the way in the value for value world my donation does not balance with just keep when you talk to people about this don't they just say You know what? I've listened to the clip of the guy in the cockpit asking to land in Australia or Austria How is that being forced down when he asked to land Yeah that pretty much discredits every single news agency that there is yeah unless that yeah Every single one

1:15:42 Yeah, I don't get it. I'm gonna actually tweet Greenwald with a copy of the clip and say what are you talking about? What does this mean? What kind of crap are you trying to pull Glenn okay that will be the exact words and you will get blocked how fast Or do you think Glenn's just gonna block me oh yeah He's not pure I would do the same but you actually like to respond to someone You! You suck, blocked. I've seen it. Yeah i do that once in a while. I usually just block but sometimes I'd say blocked. I always look and if someone has like 100 followers...I don't even respond. I'm like screw you

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1:17:18 and I don't have a note from him if he has something. I lost it somehow in my mail, I didn't...don't remember seeing it passed..I try to pass the stuff on when I get it right to Eric but we'll get back to him whatever he wants Patrick Brennan Munich Germany Munich Deutschland $200 in the morning finishing my night Finishing my night with this payment after Eric confirmed ring still available if no one else from Munich has taken this I'd like to be dressed as sir munch nuts Curiously curiously nobody else's. I was thinking of making a t-shirt for myself, but okay

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1:19:41 Slash and a definitely go there and hook us up. Oops wrong one sorry about that so late in the show Hey propagate the formula will ya our formula is this We go out we hit people in the mouth I Would like to mention two quick things one There is the FCC has made you know it's funny because the

1:20:18 You know, the president put out an executive order which essentially says when time comes all your frequency belongs to me. Everything you've got that transmits receives blinks it's all mine and I can do with it whatever I want That's, I think pretty much a direct translation of the entire executive order. And while I was looking at the regulations of really what he can do and of course the president can do quite a lot it turns out that the FCC is making no one has really talked about this The FCC is making 1,000 low-power FM stations available to nonprofits and you can act... It's very simple that and I put a link in the show notes under PR

1:21:02 You can go to the FCC website. You have to be a non-profit, which is not that hard you just fill out some paperwork yeah just paperwork and then you can become A community radio station which of course would be perfect to do what? Oh, let me think Rebroadcast no agenda show broadcasts Noah Jenna show it would be fantastic imagine a thousand That could be 200 per state that would actually work John when you know we could and we couldn't you know 200 per state would be a lot more than... Yeah. No, what? 200 per state would be I know you're right that would be 10 thousand but you know it's the start yeah we'll get maybe five or six to do it Maybe! We were talking about all these journalists and there was an obituary that came through are you familiar with Austin Goodrich

1:22:00 That name rings a bell, but I can't doesn't...I don't know who it is. Austin Goodrich of Port Washington who just passed away Let me see who he wrote for. Was that in the General Hospital soap opera or something? Yeah sure He wrote for let me see let me just see here. He wrote for Boy how come i'm not finding this well. Let me just read the uh kind of headline Because no one bats an eye at this. Goodrich combined journalism with undercover service You never know who might be a CIA agent That was the case with Austin Goodrich of Port Washington While Goodrich was overseas during the Cold War, undercover as a CBS News freelance reporter and writer Almost everyone was in the dark about what he was really doing there Working for the US Central Intelligence Agency And recruiting disenchanted communists to help the other side

1:22:57 And no one says, hmm I wonder if there's more journalists who are working for the CIA. Instead, no hero and i'm not saying that he's not a hero yeah but you know well now you want to say is it here because then you encourage more people who work for the CIA because why not? Goodrich, a native of Battle Creek Michigan joined the CIA after graduating from the University of Michigan in 1949 That's when they recruit you His CIA career took him to Norway Sweden Finland The Netherlands There we go. Germany and Thailand? Yeah, okay just so you know how it works don't tell me that it's not happening Don't tell me that little freedom of the press club is not some kind of... I dunno who's buying the beers is my question I think one of the uh... I think its funded The beers are funded

1:23:59 So I still have this with this battle going on, which is somehow targeting Obama. Oh no, I think we are in agreement about that I'm still wondering, I still get the sense especially after listening to Tyson and these guys coming in at midnight you know come hey let's go over to NSA offices and run it run the thing on that hot redhead we saw. Yeah yeah let's run that lets right you know what not. That was funny. Cops and people in law enforcement generally will always run plates on the hotties Let's be honest. So would we, going on constantly.

1:24:45 So that's what you do. I mean if you had the access to the terminal at... What time? When is a good time to come in?! Anytime after midnight! Nobody is around!! Okay, so go in there and punch your butt. You with a couple of drunk buddies just got out of the bar. Hey, I know who want look up let's look up so-and-so and then you start listing here. Oh listen in hey There's a call when he does where his cook what is this one this he calls us his wife and then he calls this other number who is that? Michelle, oh that's interesting. Michelle what's her last name? Oh! Doesn't she work over at the agency yeah well let's listen to the call okay I mean come on people exactly exactly doing it so there and i'm sure the blackmailing is going on all arrested in the midst obvious to me that I mean if they were running these machines are running just listening in on Obama 2004

1:25:44 So what do you think they were doing with Ross Perot? This guy was yeah, he dropped out for no good reason right and he dropped out for some Something weird happened there but in fact just to remind people about the about the Angle the key or the blackmail angle let's play two clips that we played before One of them is, I got the holder clip as number two and the first one which is clapper says no way. I just want to remind people that this happened in front of Congress and nothing has come of it So what I wanted to see if you could give me a yes or no answer to the question does the NSA collect any type of data at all on millions or hundreds of millions of Americans? No sir It does not Not wittingly

1:26:38 There are cases where they could inadvertently, perhaps collect but not wittingly. You realize John this is a performative that's taking place here don't you? Yes but it still what's called even though there's performative is called perjury in most... Well that depends on how you look at it because the question is can you give me yes or no answer and his answer is No The question is not, can you give me a yes or no answer? He can come back and say yeah I answered the question. I could not give him the yes-or-no answer! And he did not...he gave him the wittingly answer

1:27:15 He did not, he said no to the yes or no question. I think it would have been better off without you throwing the wittingly in that kind of screws up his argument but that's okay. I think its ruined the word wittingly forever Well for one thing for sure In any normal sense if this was a baseball player talking about his steroid use which has been brought up a number of times The guy'd be held up on charges But now they're not even going to so what let him say what he wants Meanwhile of course Holder who is Much smarter guy in so far as he knows the law. He's a lawyer, he knows the law! Yeah. He's not saying anything about anything especially when he can't say yes or no I just want to ask could you assure us that uh... No phones inside the Capitol were monitored by members of Congress That would give future executive branch if they started pulling this kind of thing off Would give them unique leverage at the legislature

1:28:11 With all due respect senator, I don't think this is an appropriate setting for me to discuss that issue. I'd be more than glad to come back in a in an appropriate setting to discuss the issues that you have raised What does that mean? So we have to realize that were in a blackmail state yes whole country's being blackmailed by Anyone from the drunken goofballs who come in and hit the terminal and check out the redhead, find out where she lives. Maybe they can ruin their... maybe they could set it up so her husband dumps her by setting up some crazy idea to send a hooker over there? There's all kinds of things you could do if you want to get the redhead. And just not to gloss over it but these things, it is real! These things do happen look at Dominique Strauss-Kahn

1:29:03 Yeah, he was brought down as head of the IMF because of some scandal I mean these these things do happen and and you need that to end from time to time. You need that to happen yeah, and And to me all good personally. I think it's always funny It's like why does it matter who someone has sex with why does that even bother you under blackmail screw him? This is the thing that society, you know there's one thing to be killing people. Asexual little boys might have an issue, there may be an issue there. You know... No no no no hold on stop! No, where's the Catholic Church going to jail? No. We have no problem with that don't give me that John Where are all the priests going to jail oh no that happened years ago Just leave it out of that group and just move it over to England and look at all these crazy or boys town Or all this other stuff That's been going on so the answer is we don't give a rat's ass we all live in our own little universe And that's why they get blackmailed then they can didn't do what they're told Yeah well that's true

1:30:05 The more you have in the club, the better it is obviously. That's what you really want. So they put systems in place to do this and that's how it worked in East Germany Stasi and we're done. It was through. The country was over You sent me an email which is highly unusual as-is Or I mean if it's not some bonehead chick doing some stupid thing on YouTube which you seem to get a big kick out of sending me all the time. I really dislike that, you're like... Oh take a look at that! And i'm like what? and i'm waiting for something to happen like some guy to come in and chop her head off or something It's just like some dumb chick doing like uh... Back into the webcam Doing a Ze Frank thing, its horrible

1:30:53 It is horrible. We should make a collection of these and I should post them somewhere. No, we should not do that! That's not an outstanding product So you turn me on to something that actually just freaked me out and I think you probably got the same thing. I don't know why you sent it to me or if you felt it, and I don't see you have the clip so I'm glad that I can bring this up let's first go to San Diego and I know that you saw this because this was kind of weird This woman is Catherine Dvorak, who I'm sure is not related. She does not look like she's related to you. I thought it was Kim. Was it Kim or Catherine? Kim or Catherine but you don't know her right that just complete coincidence Yes a coincidence...I have actually do have this clip Are you going play the whole clip No I have a little piece of the clip. I have this clip but then I have more important clip Okay I would rather..I have the whole clip Do you really want....I have 1 minute 36 how long is yours

1:31:48 I don't know, take a look. Where is it? It's the Hastings Real Last Story. Let me see... Yours is... No that's not it! That's 13 seconds. Great Report from San Diego on Hastings 3.5 megs Oh, three minutes? No four minutes no I've got the pertinence to please that's too long okay well i'm telling you but i want this clip in the show notes then of course it's in the show notes but i think what i want the whole clip in the shows yes not the whole clip i'll even play at his end of show clip if you want if he has you decide that my piece is not pertinent to what is going on this woman

1:32:26 who is also, I'm not quite sure where she's coming from as she tends to pop up kind of like as a freelance reporter for the station whenever it comes to government corruption and weird stuff. And so she's reporting on the Michael Hastings he's the reporter who crashed into a tree and the car branding Mercedes-Benz exploded And so here's her report, but then I want to get to the real clip which you sent me. You wrote your first book, I Lost My Love in Baghdad... Hold on wrong one? Oops! Didn't mean to do that Here's the San Diego clip. What else stood out in your mind? Well, the fact that when you go to the LA Police Department and then you go to the Fire Department and then you go to different agencies they all said they couldn't comment And some of them said they were told not to comment on this story So that kind of stands out if we look at the NSA The government says if you have nothing to hide don't worry I think it kinda has a reverse role here

1:33:18 Now that I think we have video of the scene if we can show the video you Can see what were kind of give you an idea of what? We're talking about there is the actual scene. Okay, so I love this way her mics off as far as the accident goes and things that we do know. It was an extremely hot fire, and I've talked to military personnel who have said that this is a extremely hot fire." Now i do want to point out as I was listening to this you know it's...I have to be just as equally as fair as I am about reports about the Sarnoff trial You know, why don't you have a quote from a military personnel? I mean that's kind of bull crappy. That's just...I really want to believe it but it is bull crappy. This is not something you normally see with the car like this. This is 2013 Mercedes Benz and statement from Mercedes said that they are aware the accident and waiting to help the LAPD but they have not got the call from Los Angeles Police Department as yet so that intensity of fire is very concerning We're also we're just taking her word for it but I really do want to believe it

1:34:20 and also the placement of the engine and the drivetrain as we see here. They are completely between 150-250 feet from the accident, however the car was going south and the engine and drivetrain were behind it. And after I spoke with a couple university physics professors they said in an accident like this the engines and whatnot would go with the board's velocity of the... So what does your gut tell you in something like this? You've been on a lot of these stories. What are you looking at, and where are you going with this? Well I'm looking at all possibilities. He could have been drinking and driving that's

1:34:59 It's certainly something he could have done. He was near the clubs on Sunset Boulevard, so that is a possibility but I'm more inclined to believe there were absolutely zero skid marks so something else happened either the car malfunctioned or something was on the car that allowed it to trigger and blow up. Mercedes says their cars just don't blow up they take great care of themselves. It's a great line by the way. We take great care not to have our cars blow up for them not to do so you said something also very interesting that that cars can be remotely controlled is that you'd mentioned something to that effect absolutely and that came out of the University Southern Colorado or San Diego here they did a report in 2010 which they took like a basic car like a Nissan Sentra and using an iPad like we all have here on the desk they were able to hack into the car system

1:35:48 you know, operate the accelerator, the brakes windshield wipers lights steering so there are so many factors in play here. There's a lot more investigation that needs to be taken here and I will continue to follow it obviously if there is any kind of foul play involved we want to make sure that we get out to the public. Now i need to say that sounds like she someone who has been trolling the internet and listening to our show as one example And she has no... there's nothing there, it was just her saying stuff. It's kind of a collection of things that we've said. Yeah, you'd think she put a package together... No there was no package! And take a picture of a guy saying some of these things which is what you do on TV news commonly I thought that was very poor This is more like an editorial Yeah, I thought it was very very poor reporting although the facts I think will stand But I really don't know if the police have said to the fire department

1:36:49 specific who told the police not to say anything who told the fire department you know there's a lot of holes there now and you sent me actually you you told me I needed to watch something and you couldn't find the video and i went look for it because she said oh you have to watch this thing this Michael Hastings interview It's really worth it. I'm like, where was it? On television? Yeah somewhere! Thanks John really helpful you find me a link. Part of the Dvorak tradition as Catherine would point out to you. Exactly well you've held up the family honor so I go and I find this thing

1:37:26 And I, you really have to see the video to really truly appreciate what happens here. This is the guy...I forget his name who has a show on CNN and his wife sitting at the table interviewing Michael... Margaret Hoover by the way Who's that? That's his wife? If that's if use it I didn't know that was his wife but the woman sitting next to her is Margaret Hoover Yeah yeah its' his wife And he's sitting with Michael Hastings and his wife. I heard this interview, and you have to really take it into context...I think Michael Hastings has been managed by the CIA for many years

1:38:10 They've kept a very tight rein on what he has published. He's been completely handled and this bodes very, very poorly for me personally." You wrote your first book I Lost My Love in Baghdad about a girlfriend of yours at the time who was killed in the war How much have you spoken about that? I mean we've spoken about it a fair amount. I met him as a friend when he was going through the aftermath of this tragedy and i got to see just you know how horrible and just how sad you were. Okay now let me just set this up for you because this is how I view the world, and you may think I'm a disgusting prick

1:38:49 I know what you're gonna say too. Yeah, because this guy's wife- his girlfriend dies in a horrible way in Iraq and then all of sudden this hot blonde shows up to console him Okay, and he winds up marrying her. You know, we can have this sort of intellectual conversation about Iraq and I can throw these numbers out there but at the end of the day nothing that anyone is going to tell me really is going to change my mind about how I feel deeply about that war because of this sort of traumatic experience. To see what happened her family, her friends or loved ones... The name in the book I wrote in her honor was I Lost My Love In Baghdad because I didn't think I could love again. I feel very blessed and fortunate

1:39:50 you know, would have me. And I think the fact that she was able to sort of get past that is to me...I feel pretty lucky. One final note. It's been misreported that Michael was working on a piece about Jill Kelly at the time of his death In fact, his final unfinished story was about CIA Director John Brennan and Elise is now working on finishing that story on Michael's behalf Who is at least Jordan everybody well very interesting Now you may or may not know the New York Times published an obituary about Michael Hastings which caused a little bit of a ruckus in the press circles because they kind of discredited The work he had done on bringing down general McChrystal and I we had clips on that right? And as a response to this at least his new wife who he who shows up miraculously

1:40:48 in Iraq and he falls in love with, says that she personally transcribed all of the tapes that Michael did for the McChrystal piece. So she was intimately involved and she personally transcribed them which leaves a lot open to interpretation Now she is also going to personally finish the piece on Uh, former CIA... uhhhh.... Director. Brennan? No not Brennan. No! Not Brennan Who was it? Oh, Patreus! No no no Yes! The piece he's working on now is about Brennan. No! No play that clip again Pretty lucky One final note It has been misreported that Michael was working on a piece about Jill Kelly at the time of his death In fact His final unfinished story Was about CIA director John Brennan I'm sorry you're right Brennan

1:41:53 Regardless, she is going to finish the piece on Brennan. She is also a member of the Phillips Foundation which is not to be... let me read her bio. Elise Jordan's journalist and commentator whose writing on politics and foreign policy has been published in The Atlantic Newsweek Daily Beast Marie Claire blah blah Frequent guest on CNN Fox News MSNBC also commented on BBC Fox Oh, let's see. She worked with the State Department as a speechwriter to Condoleezza Rice in the White House Office of Presidential Speechwriting in 2007. She joined the National Security Council where she worked on press and communication strategy for Afghanistan-Iraq-Pakistan while at the White House, Elise worked for extended periods at the U.S. Embassy Baghdad and for the commanding general strategic advisory group at the International Security Assistance Force that is ISAF. She's on the board of UNICEF Next Generation

1:42:48 She's a graduate of Yale. Kind of sounds like, like a Bob Woodward story. She is... I believe she was Michael Hastings' handler and this bodes very poorly for me! Why? You think Mickey is your handler? Totally one bad oyster you guys have always talked about this oh yeah I go too far I go to the minute she starts taking an interest in cooking I'm done! I'm out no this is not good So did you see the you saw the interview? Did you see the look on her face when he when she was looking at him when he was talking about how She showed up it truly disturbing Truly truly disturbing. I really think that she was handling him well, whatever the case She's not handling him anymore of the that's true. I think III here's a way this should play out then based on this thesis and and I'm not gonna argue against the thesis because I've always thought the same thing

1:43:56 She'll win a Pulitzer or some journalistic award. That will be really high-end and for this probably the Brennan piece when she finishes it, and it will come out making Brennan look like a beleaguered hardworking son of a bitch. And you know have all kinds of... It will have a number of kill shots on people that whoever's running things now are trying to get maybe Obama Very, very possible. And so it looked like a revealing piece but it really won't have much to do with Brennan and it'll win some sort of an award or two maybe or she'll get something for something else that someone will have written for her although she probably can write and then she'll become very famous the next thing you know should be on the circuit You know? It'd be a sympathy vote for her She'll just like Bob Woodward doing these big books making lots of money

1:44:53 I was brought up, I think it was a bite log and stack who brought up this guy who he saw. I think it was Stack. This James Bamford Who is one of these characters that's either you know just the phony stooge or he's got a whole bunch of books about the NSA He purports to be this big NSA expert And so I started looking into this character and there was a couple of things in here that he's talking about. He does all these, he did two or three books on the NSA, just all smoke screens and he talks about how they're capturing everything including microwave transmissions

1:45:35 And that's the one that kind of got me in there. And he specifically goes on about how they do this. Okay, now microwave transmissions are point to point usually you see these things all over the place is one on the Bay Bridge just a good look around looks like it's like a small satellite dish round with a cover on yeah with like a dome or a pointy cover Right, and you pointed at another one of these transmitters. And they shoot... You can shoot maybe 40 miles if you're using long range. I think you can pretty much get until the curvature of the earth hits. If you have enough power because it's microwaved so your wavelength is very short. Yeah but you wouldn't be shooting it that far nobody would just a waste of energy. You tend to shoot it within... You could shoot it in someone's head and that wouldn't be a waste of energy! It would but the point is that they have limited distance

1:46:25 But he claims, he made this claim that the NSA has satellites that are in space and they pick up the transmissions from one microwave to another because the microwave will shoot at the receiver and then part of it will get past and go into space, into deep space. Yeah. This microwave... And there'll be coincidentally a satellite positioned in perfect spot to pick up the trend, not to say that there's not thousands of these little microwaves shooting every which way. And somehow this microwave transmission is going to get into space and then get picked up by the NSA and apparently without handshaking which is necessary for any sort of electronic communication it just not like throwing a bucket of water in another bucket of water There's a lot of transmission that goes back-and-forth to make sure you're getting it because you don't just send stuff

1:47:25 You have to do an act somewhere along the line. There is no way a satellite... Hold on, hold on let me push back just a little bit you if let's say a transmitter and receiver or two transceivers are communicating and they're sending an ACK that would be in an acknowledgement packet But if you go past that receiver into the curvature of the earth, into space so you're essentially behind it a little bit behind and a little bit above it You can still receive the transmission from the original sender. You're just intercepting while its acting with the other transceiver I don't know how much power is going on and how far it would travel but I'm not going to dismiss it right off the bat.

1:48:14 It's bullshit. I'm not so sure, I mean i've communicated with satellites with my little uh... with my little five watts here and you can do quite a bit. Is it microwaves? A little microwave thing? Directional microwave your using on your little 5 watts? Yeah! Its directional microwave Well im receiving directional microwave the sending is just... No not you're receiving a broadcast. No no. It's not directional its not beamed at you from a satellite? There's Adam over there in Austin, let's aim the satellite directional antenna at him and beam it to him. If you'd let me finish the satellite comes over it has a footprint it has a quite narrow footprint and you have about a five minute window to communicate with it so it's not specifically pointed at me but it is pointed at a... It has a footprint that it is sending down but that's sending down I'm sending up

1:49:08 Purely for non-directional antenna. I'm sending up from a vertical polarized antenna, and it's in its getting to me I mean there's a lot There's a lot about RF that you be careful. I know a lot about RF I know but our f2 And I know that this was bullcrap what they say? I've got a transmission from Union oil in San Francisco hitting a little spot over here over by the refinery and And that somehow, and by the way these things are like 40 feet above the ground. Somehow this thing is going to go all the way through Earth's atmosphere all the way past where curvature of Earth begins. Yeah that very possible. Into space where coincidentally there is a satellite waiting there to listen. It has somehow been positioned there if you're repositioning satellites to listen in on all this crap

1:49:51 These things are going to be dead in no time because they need little rockets to move them around. Well, first of all they have enough of them you know that the entire low earth orbiting satellite ring that was supposed to be that great phone sat phone system was bought up so you can easily use the low orbiting satellites for that there's enough of them And yeah, I mean I've communicated on yes a longer wavelength but i get around the earth with 200 milliwatts so yeah. Yeah and I have seen a lot of things that are possible and I'm not going to say it is impossible. It's just not. No, I think you're incorrect in this and I think I have more experience. I don't care about your experience! You're obviously completely oblivious

1:50:32 directional microwave of these repeaters that are flying around here. No, I'm not...I am very clued into it which is why i'm saying I think that you can get some scatter from the back end and I think it would be possible! I'm not ruling that out. I'm not saying you can do it with accuracy every single day. I'm not saying they will always work. It depends on a lot of factors which you don't know either including transmitted power. We'll get one of our experts out there as well. I AM an expert what are you talking about? You're not...you Let's get somebody who runs a satellite business. Watch me shut off your direct TV. It does the practicality of this bull crap! Alright, we can... I'm sure in the lab anything is possible. No, I am saying that i think it's possible but okay doesn't mean its irrelevant and don't even know why such a big deal? I just find it because we have another poser out there. Oh okay well they're all posers Okay I have the clip of the day then we'll just go to that.

1:51:37 I'm ready. All right, so here you we've talked about this on the show before do you remember in the radio days? They'd send you a record usually big transcription record and then a script Yeah And then you ask the questions and then you just basically cut in the answers So it sounds like you're doing I've done this on television You can do it live. Actually I've done it live. I'll just repeat it for people haven't heard it when I was doing the program countdown in The Netherlands This is 1984 83, 84. Janet Jackson sent out a press kit it was a big umatic tape where someone asked her questions and then they left little pause and she answered the questions and I timed...I cut together a tape of her answers and i timed my questions we even put a little bit satellite fuzz in there that was before digital like, oh Janet! We're losing you! And that was my satellite interview as promoted as such uh...in the Dutch newspapers

1:52:37 They said Adam Curry has a satellite interview tonight with Janet Jackson and the whole thing was fake. And you think they're doing this at Fox? No, I can't believe that! So here's a little tidbit with an interview with the substitute host for Hannity who i think picked up the wrong question and ran to Paul. And Rand Paul is not having any difficulty hearing, he's listening everything and there's not like a bad connection or in fact it's surprisingly tight satellite or whatever connection using ISD and whatever. Listen carefully to the question and listen carefully to the answer

1:53:23 Senator, let's talk about leadership very quickly. I don't have a lot of time before we move on. Secretary of State John Kerry was said to be yachting during this military coup going on and then two days later while the bloodshed was happening in Cairo President Obama hit the links at the golf course your thoughts Well, you know I've asked Secretary Kerry directly about this and I said-I ask him should foreign aid be dependent on behavior? And he said no. And if you're not going to make it dependent on behavior what kind of leverage do have with these countries if they think we're a sap and we're going to continue to give them money no matter what they do, they're just gonna laugh at us as they cash their check. And that's why I disagree with President Obama and Secretary Kerry that really if you're gonna give money at all which is probably not a good idea but if you're gonna give it should be dependent on behavior at the very least. Alright Senator quick question before we let you go Obamacare delayed to 2015 for the employer mandate.

1:54:20 That's good. Well, it's and that's a very nice transition I spent some time watching Jen Psaki which you spell PSA Ki But I've learned her name is Jen Psaki You know who Jen Psaki is don't Jen Psaki? That's our favorite not Psaki It's sake you don't say so whatever you want. I'm calling her Psaki Do you know anything about her? Yeah, she's never worked for living in her life Oh, oh, I think you're wrong Okay, you're wrong. She so this is very interesting Jen. No, I just saw who she is Well, I'm gonna I'm going to play a little clip here so you can hate her She is the spokeshole for the Secretary of State don't have anything at the top I imagine what made Owen our shots back too? What a day what a day? Oh, what a day a hole she is very condescending Jen sake Let's see sake sake

1:55:19 She worked for Kerry when he had his presidential run. Then she came, I'm looking for her, I have her wiki page somewhere... then she came back in to, uh, she was the President Obama's spokeshole on the road during his initial presidential campaign and then she left and went to the Global Strategy Group where her clients were! Oh gee let me see Oh, General Electric, Al Gore, GlaxoSmithKline, Goldman Sachs, Microsoft, Silverstein Partners, Starwood. She is a professional spokeshole who used her government contacts clearly to get this cushy gig over there at Global Strategy Group but she is having a very very hard time of late because not only is our buddy Matt teaming up on her

1:56:19 But also, the guy she just mentioned in that clip, Ashad Mohammed. She says oh you're here! Because she's afraid of these guys because these guys are taking new prisoners and I thought it was a very funny back-and-forth on this whole can we call it a coup or not? And there is reason why the administration does not want to call what has happened in Egypt a coup And that is because by law in the Foreign Assistance Act, I think... Is that what it's called? Let me see. It's called the foreign... No. I have it here somewhere. Foreign Assistance...I think it is Foreign Assistance Act which again on May 23rd was set up by the president This how slick this guy is So if there was a transition of power and what we would call a coup

1:57:20 then all foreign assistance, according to the United States law has to stop immediately. It has to be suspended at the very least because we're not dealing with the same people and here is her answer to that because running a democracy it's not just being chosen John you have to understand When are you, when is it determined if you're... what determines if you are a democratically chosen leader? If you really are good guy. I mean was that... Somebody voted! Is there anything else that could be a part of that? No. You sure there's nothing else

1:57:56 Well, you have to. Oh yeah, you have to do things democratically. Let's listen. So when you say that I'm sorry, said when you when you say that you're engaging them to accept the process towards a civilian change in the political so are you asking them to kind of abandon their fight to get more see back into power? or to accept his ouster, that's not a determination for us to make. We're asking them to engage in the process moving forward from here. They did engage in the process and their candidate won and now their candidate is not the winner. Now they are candidates is the loser because he was

1:58:41 There you go. it's not just if you were chosen. Exactly! This is how they think, oh it's not just about getting chosen Oh no It's about how you govern If your nice guy or not and Matt is having none of this its really funny Is Kerr also correct after he responded yes that continued aid is in the US national security interest so thats one number two is a coup deter- legal determination that a coup happened would require

1:59:35 a suspension or cutoff in all non-humanitarian assistance to Egypt, including the 1.3 billion in FMF? Is that correct? MS. PSAKIS Well, Matt, because we're not there we haven't made that determination. QUESTION I know but the – that determination would trigger a cutoff or suspension of the assistance. Again, I don't want to be analyzing what the legal options are here. That is being closely looked at there are a number of factors that are being closely looked at and we'll continue to talk about this in the days ahead but i'm not going to get ahead where we are right now. I am not asking you to get ahead anything if anything I'm asking you just it just to confirm what the law says which is that if there is determination

2:00:20 coup happened, that a democratically elected government was overthrown by unconstitutional means. That would require a suspension or cut off in assistance Well, that is... That is.. There's a broad legal definition. Don't you love this? I love how she like uh-uh-uh-uh well She's doing really well at this Please! Oh please This is funny I'm enjoying her Oh it was wonderful to watch and she had And she has red head which of course unfortunately means she has no soul But that doesn't matter She also wearing fire red jacket To go with It It's just really funny

2:01:00 in many cases, right Matt? But we're also looking at what happened here on the ground. There are millions of people on the ground who do not think it was a coup. So her explanation here is yeah sure the military came in and arrested him but you know we have lots of people on the ground who don't think that happened or something like that. We factor lots of factors in were in the analysis process right now and I'm not going to get ahead of where that may or may not go. Why does the fact that there are lots of people on the ground in Egypt who don't think it was a coup have any bearing on this? The determination is not being made by people on the ground in Egypt, the determination as Matt rightly points out is normally made by the legal advisor's office at the State Department And through an interagency process

2:01:45 are shot at of course take a lot of factors into play. She's fantastic, I think she is much better than Newland You can listen to all these clips that have been in the show notes this was kind of funny where there is like two little things here Matt is going to throw a zinger at her first One last thing, I want to ask you about the current president, the temporary president of Egypt Abdel Moussaoui He's coming, hold on. Just let me know when the flames of doubt and then she comes back later with this one. Is it your view that the law on law and suspending aid if a legal determination of coup is made, is able to be interpreted? That it can be... sorry interpretive's not the right word.. that there it is open to interpretation well that if a that if either it is possible under the law

2:02:58 that if a democratically elected president is removed by the military in an unconstitutional manner it might not meet the standard, the legal standards. Well Matt let me just be very clear that our focus is absolutely on abiding by the law uh...that is being analyzed and looked at right now there are also a number of other factors that go into our policy related to Egypt so I didn't want do one without the other okay but that just leads me to believe you're not particularly in this case, you said it's a case by case basis but in this case you're not particularly interested interpreting the law as it is written. You're interested trying to find a way to skirt the requirements of the law that has been written. I think the legal office is certainly determining and analyzing the law as it is written. Right so let us know what those hoops also get to on their own analysis and I'm not a lawyer and I am not aware that you are either but you never know. Do we have any more on Egypt?

2:03:54 This to me is humor. I mean, I watch this and like... I know you're not a lawyer but you never know. You could be a lawyer or I could be completely wrong. I may have misjudged that. This is so beautiful and then Carney, Spokeswoman Carney for the White House. He... he.. this guy has no shame. They should bump her up to Carney's job. Well here is Carney and he jumps through the hoops in a different way. Well you are correct that the President has been meeting regularly with his national security team about the situation in Egypt. You are also correct as I said yesterday that we

2:04:37 have not made a determination about what to call or label the events in Egypt that led to the change in government. He can't say coups, this is the thing, the minute he says coup then it's all over then all of the money dries up so he cant say it! What can we use? And I try to be very straightforward about the elephant in the room if you will by saying... I love it! I'm trying to be straight forward about the elephant in the room Just say coup! There's an elephant in the room here and it is in our national interest, the best interest of the United States. And the best interests in our view... Oh shut up. Here's McCain. McCain calls that as he sees it. Bluntly or simply was that a coup we saw last week?

2:05:25 It was a coup and it was the second time in two-and-a-half years. Alright, thank you John McCain. So you know that when McCain... McCain is always on the money side so there's something going on with this He calls it a coup but again I go back to May 23rd and our president slickest guy ever he's really slick willy can dry up and blow away because Obama is slick What did he say? I mean this was like such an you have to go back to these things all the time So the president was talking about mainly drone strikes He threw in the Snowden thing right as we heard earlier But he also threw this in out of the blue for no reason, but it will also require resources. I know that foreign aid is one of the least popular expenditures

2:06:20 that there is. I didn't understand why he was talking about this at the time, he just threw this in there we didn't even notice it when he was talking about foreign aid That's true for Democrats and Republicans i've seen the polling even though it amounts to less than one percent of the federal budget In fact a lot of folks think its 25% if you ask people on the streets Less than 1%. So here he is really setting up the importance of foreign aid, foreign assistance to mainly to Egypt and how we cannot have a strategy without this regardless of what happens. Still wildly unpopular but foreign assistance cannot be viewed as charity it is fundamental to our national security and its fundamental to any sensible long-term strategy to battle extremism

2:07:17 Moreover, foreign assistance is a tiny fraction of what we spend fighting wars that our assistance might ultimately prevent. He didn't segue into this? I don't remember! I had to go look it up... It just came out of the blue This guy-I'm telling you... I think somebody lost the page I'm telling you that everything that is happening and we're now like eight weeks later, he discussed in this speech. We've got the Snowden thing, we've got the Egypt thing... All of his stuff is just they set it up! It truly is a script unfolding right before our very eyes and I'm gonna go back again after the show today and I'm going to listen to the entire speech one more time and see what else I catch because you can almost predict what's gonna happen with this guy

2:08:07 he's like clairvoyant. It's crazy isn't it? Yeah, it is weird since this was all done beforehand and we were also very focused of course on the Code Pink Lady who stood up and was yelling I think as we discussed then all basically a part of it. Like uh... whatever we didn't talk about it missed it. Well its possible that the code pink lady was actually code for this is speech you should Pay attention, everything good is in here. Here's your year and really feels like that it really really feels like that well then if its possibly does one speech like that every year? Could be could be. And the idea to benefit from some or identifying it in some funny way there was one thing that came up in the I think was an Egyptian guy maybe was Mohammed Ashad Mohammed no he was

2:09:10 Yeah, I think it was the... No! No. I'm sorry Brazilian guy because there's a lot of foreign press now showing up at the State Department. I have no idea..I guess they're not let in to talk to Carney They only get to talk to Jen who and she's sweating she is sweating It's kind of funny just glistening glistening under the lights there And this is where I learned about three new pieces of software that have such great names there's no way you can Google it and find out about them but this came in from the Brazilian press. Could you confirm whether with or without the consent, or an agreement with the Brazilian government The United States Government has maintained a database of monitoring or a monitoring center in Brazilia Or have ever collected

2:09:55 data at the Embassy of Brazil in Washington or at the Embassy of Brazil in United Nations using physical devices installed on computers and using software such as Highland, Vagrant and Lifesaver. Highland, Vagrant and Lifesaver? How does the Brazilian guy know that we don't know? Well I did get a comment, an interesting observation from one our producers which is worth noting Brazil you know they say well the Latin American countries all up in arms. That's not true Colombia Regarding Snowden Columbia doesn't want him They've said so Paraguay doesn't want him Chile doesn't want him and Brazil above all Even though Greenwald's there, and maybe green walls behind that because he doesn't really wanna have to hang out with the guy He's like hey You know you're nice and all that but now I don't want you over at the house So

2:10:53 pointed out that there's been this movement, I think that this maybe leveraged the NSA using the internet to listen in all the stuff through all of various nodes. There has been this movement over the years and Brazil of all countries that is now totally irked by this snooping has been behind this movement along with Saudi Arabia, I think some countries in Africa, China I think to a lesser degree have been trying to get the United Nations to take over the Internet. Oh, okay yeah and so they're going to now leverage the abuse that our security agencies have heaped upon the world through the internet mostly because there's been a lot of this is all you know their email stealing from the communications that you do through Google and the Google...all this stuff

2:11:49 Through May West and May East, they have big boxes there that can pick up all the international traffic. And somebody once said I think this is pretty true 75 to 80 percent of all world traffic Yeah, it runs through those exchanges. Sure. It's one of the big US boxes? Absolutely! And so now the whole thing is like a setup and we have to consider that the possibility this entire thing is theater around this idea yeah of taking the internet away from the United States... ...and giving us Internet freedom. Exactly, there'll be Internet freedom and it'll be run by the United Nations. I love it! This is a good idea because we have to, well holy moly John here is Jen on just that Well we are deeply concerned about the new restrictive Singaporean policy requiring the licensing of news websites

2:12:42 We raise internet freedom regularly in bilateral and multilateral dialogues with foreign governments, including Singapore. We urge Singapore to ensure that freedom of expression is protected in accordance with its international obligations and commitments We closely monitor and often speak out, as you all know on both internet freedom and media freedom. Throughout the world this case is no different and we are concerned of course to see Singapore applying press restrictions to the online world Sure us that the reason that you push for internet freedom and that kind of thing in all these countries around the world isn't to make it easier for this government to listen in I just want to make sure that the AP and Reuters stories are available to all the people That's your media freedom right there Make sure that no agenda show shut them up and make sure the a P and Reuter stories are available To the slaves in Singapore

2:13:42 Yeah, that sounds about right to me. What do you think? Yeah yeah that's where we're headed. Ah yes Singapore they're licensed I guess you have to be uh well this conversation is now taking place in America i was watching some Fox crap which I didn't clip it was just too annoying but they were you know there's people on Fox News who are essentially actors reading a script who were there discussing what is real journalism and what is a journalist, and when do you get to be protected as a journalist. And it basically just puts a big target on our foreheads It's like...it's all over Eventually it will be over We will have to I mean, I don't know if we can You can probably get the license Can I operate under your license? Do you think? I'll probably only have an assistant Can I be your assistant then please? Yeah! Okay! Adam's gonna read his email

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2:34:00 That will be the clip you can download it. You can put it on your phone You could just have a link handy on your phone Yeah, and then somebody's yeah Can't give him dead eyes And he say hey listen to this and tell me how you interpret it yeah? And then you too, and then you know just my own city that plane does it forced down is that what happens at what everyone's reporting? It was like everything do like a Brian the dog where you start Just writing the guy or so Stewie that has that Stewie always writing Brian about his novel yes Yeah, so how you doing with that novel? So that's what you think. You think it was forced down. Where'd you hear that from? It was forced down. Oh everybody said it! Science is in! How do you explain this and then you play the clip To support us please remember

2:34:45 Oh boy! We got a couple big ones today for you. Celebrating her birthday today, 19 or 20 years old is Jay Dvorak Congratulations and a happy belated birthday to the one and only uber geek The OG of geektom and nerdness Nikola Tesla Happy Birthday from your buddies here at the best podcast in the universe He gets no props man. It's not Tesla was born on the 11th I think it was born a tenth and I think on one day that just briefly because then we got to go on we have a nighting to do

2:35:23 Here's what really irks me. Tesla, who arguably he invented the best transmission for electricity also in Currie. He built up there Niagara Falls. He was the first one to measure earth resonance and wireless electricity. Marconi came way after he was doing wireless transmissions all this stuff Why does a guy like Elon Musk get to use his name on his stupid-ass battery car? That is such an insult to everything that Nikola Tesla was about. How does he get to do that and does he have it trademarked, and can he use that forever in the name Tesla is just now on this lame ass Lotus with a battery in it? Tell me!

2:36:13 I don't know. No one questions this, everyone... so the next time someone's like Edon Musk is great he's the Tony Stark they modeled Tony Stark on him he's great you know what? He's a fucking thief! He took Tesla's name and stole it and put it on his battery car and he should be ashamed of himself. You think his public domain can steal public domain? But okay but I have a feeling this battery car is direct current and not alternating current. What do you think? Oh, that's a very interesting little take on it How do you get to use Tesla's name? Yeah yeah no it has to be a DC car It has to be Has to be a DC car so how do you get to do that No I make the ultimate podcast device with Mark Smith what do we use AC

2:37:00 Adam Curry Now, of course we make a DC later on but we have two rail power. I'm telling you This is a big deal. All right make goods We did the sir Dwayne Melancon? And he had got a double producership on July 4th went back changed the credits and show notes We do make good on these things especially because it already put it into his His LinkedIn profile which you should do if you're an executive or associate executive producer and Michael Miller I guess he was on the list for five to eight And we got him at the top of their top of the segment right? We thanked him so we may go down that okay You want to make sure we make good on these things then. We have some title changes we have

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2:38:18 And in our segment here today, John there was a note from somebody. We didn't read the note actually Let me see what was it? So who was it that said oh here it is. It was David Carey I've been listening for the past couple months after hearing the Texas abortion law rant, I decided I could no longer be a douchebag The time came to donate Adam your take was brilliant well Thank you, but brilliance But appreciated I have found out yet another piece of the puzzle That I want to share with us today. I mean all ears okay so my

2:39:10 general theory besides the rant that you know, I'm just like why is everyone Why don't we see these protests for other things which was what my rant was really about? Is I had this feeling that you look at this law which was clearly made up by Alec A-L-E-C Which was done on behalf of Republican lawmakers and they call it. There wasn't the pain law or something the the fetus pain law Which is clearly a red herring because three quarters of this bill, and if you haven't heard about it, this is big news in Texas taking place here in Austin. Women yelling at each other people saying the church sucks I'm amazed we haven't had fistfights yet It's very very tense

2:39:52 And it's obvious that there are large forces at work here and my take on it is that this is all about setting up the clinics to a certain standard so we can now start new clinics instead of charging $500 for an abortion they can charge five thousand dollars for an abortion. Did I summarize that well enough John? Is that pretty much the thesis that I had? Yeah! Guess what, Governor Perry's sister and her name is Mila Perry Jones is vice president of the United Surgical Partners International, a Texas company in Addison Texas that runs hospitals and surgery centers co-owned by doctors. This is... These are the guys! They are well known for helping doctors charge thousands of dollars for very simple procedures He's setting this up for them Yeah For his sister

2:40:56 Yeah, yeah. Pretty obvious you know the funny thing is this I think this whole movement... I may have the cart before the horse on that I may have backwards but This has happened, this is long since established as sort of a stepping stone that's gouging. It's all gouging based on the fact that the government ends up paying through our insurance companies pay in some sort of pool method. Which I need to point out, that's the final step and we've got to set it up, we have to make it really expensive then we have to have a way for the government to pay for which currently by federal law due to Roe versus Wade is forbidden Right, so we have this other mechanism that we're gonna create. Although it's done through insurance companies because Obamacare is really an insurance scam So the government is really not paying for but they are probably subsidizing insurance companies or some other angle But in some way they are paying for

2:41:47 But this happened to all the veterinarians around the country. They have taken every little shop now, it used to be just a nice little veterinarian and they'd have dog and cat on each door And you go in one side you got your cats, one side you've got your dogs It's small operation maybe five vets and it was very reasonable everything Now they've been taken over by these huge chains, these veterinary clinic chains essentially gouge you. Well they started with selling you insurance which, you really wanted to get your pet insurance remember that? Yep

2:42:24 And now you go to the vet, it's a thousand bucks. Yeah for mediocre service is not even as good as it used to be and then they give you a bunch of drugs They all know your animal You better get these drugs and so they give me all these packets of drugs for the poor animal that you're supposed to make him take and every and they have to go back for follow-up which is another, it costs as much as it would cost to go to a regular doctor. And this whole country is being scammed left and right by these large organizations and the legislatures that are passing these bills that encourage this sort of thing It's just unbelievable! The gouging that is going on from top-to-bottom of the American public is just outrageous. Yeah... No no, its worldwide not just the American public, all citizens

2:43:16 Well, we're all being gouged. And I think we do need to mention one of our producers actually done a lot of work on this and there's a whole bunch of links in the show notes under trains bad pipelines good now This is the accident at luck Meg antique Is that how you pronounce it? Lac-Mégantic? I'm not sure. This is the train that blew up in Canada. Oh, yeah! So it was a setup... It's very obvious they're gonna arrest these guys They're gonna arrest people for this because what happened is magically the pressurized brakes got disengaged which is not exactly That simple and probably at lie

2:43:58 And the next thing you see is everywhere, oh yeah we really need pipelines it's much safer than transporting oil via rail. And this of course is a setup to the XL pipeline! It's so obvious Yeah it is pretty obvious and then the joke is that moving oil by rail is not uncommon We have a bunch of them that go by here and it's been an old established way of doing it. It is safe, they don't blow up by the way. Thank you that my point these things are... If they hit a pole or something they just leak oil all over makes a mess. So Roadwolf who I think he's up there in Canada and I got to link to his blog post he's done all the work so I can claim any credit for this very difficult as we don't know that much about

2:44:42 Canadian culture and I have to say the Canadians in general are very sparse of giving us information. We could use a lot more of that, we could learn a lot more since you know you are the foreign oil we depend on and you know you are the ones who will be invading eventually And, you know these like the walls of these transport trains that carry the oil they're an inch thick steel. I mean there's no reason for it to blow up No and now you have but getting crude oil To blow up? Blow up! I don't know how you do it You have to have... It's used... Crude oil can be used to make a bomb

2:45:19 The same way, ammonium nitrate and fuel oil is what it is. It's ammonium nitrate packed together with fuel oil and you can make...and its used as a substitute for dynamite. It works very well. And crude oil could be... John hold on could you wait a second? Could you just really explain that in great detail? There's not much detail. That's the great thing about it. I just want to make sure... You take a volume of nitrate and mix it in with some oil. So, I just want to make sure everyone knows that the NSA has heard that we are telling people how you can make a bomb? Well, I'm not explaining the details because you do have to get it to explode In fact, to get that to explode takes more than a little work. It is what you can't take on match and put into that little... Do you think that a drone strike would've worked

2:46:04 A drone strike hitting the crude oil, yes that would work. Okay just a thought So what you're implying is that we just drone the damn thing. It's a possibility I'm telling you right now there's no way for one of those these things crash not commonly but when they do crash, i've never heard one exploding it's not possible and taking out like killing 20 people I mean this thing exploded and took out 60 homes or something. Yeah crude oil is not explosive product so either A there was something else that was being transported Which could be gasoline would explode regardless it was billed as oil and the headlines everywhere are You know we really pipelines much much safer much safe for XL pipeline much much safer. I don't see how a pipeline is safer It's not but we need this pipeline in place. It's certainly a lot easier

2:46:59 Seems to me it's a lot more economical than then especially if you can have the government pay for it because yeah We told us the governments gonna pay we don't want people dying That would make sense to me. To me that would make sense someone knocking. Yeah, I'm knocking on the door Mr. Borak! Hey No, it's different they don't call you DeVore they call you Jebediah So uh... That's all I got That's all you got? I'm done. Let me see if... I think i have ummm.... Let me see if I had anything, I had potential end of show clues. You've got some stuff on race baiting but we can do that later Yeah well yeah A lot of race baiting because we might as well put in the red book they're gonna get Zimmerman is getting off and the riots will ensue Ah! You know what? I was thinking about this I think no riots I think no riots And I'll tell you why So I've been following If you go to Twitter

2:48:05 And you type in that search box at the top, you type in Zimmerman. In fact let's do it right now okay? Then we'll end the show on this and then I'll tell-I'll tell ya my true thoughts so we type in Zimmerman and let's see...we do all You gotta make sure to do ALL because otherwise you get TOP which is lame Okay ALL Let's see BLOOD THEY FINA LET ZIMMERMAN WALK SWEAR Okay, that was the first one. Zimmerman won't be safe in jail! Zimmerman won't be safe outside of jail! F. Zimmerman! Zimmerman don't go to jail somebody gonna get him Look at that face nothing good I really want to know what's going through Zimmermans mind If dude was a white boy Zimmerman would not have cared Closing arguments begin in Zimmerman Zimmerman is innocent Only way he does times if judge allows prosecution to charge To aggravated assault So there someone trying to be smart

2:49:03 Let's see. So it's a lot of it is you know, I'm gonna kill him You know lock his ass up if he's not locked up. I'll kill him There's a lot of this and let me tell you these people are all icon changers The only thing that's gonna happen and this will be the proof. I really hope George Zimmerman gets off Regardless what? I think what happened I wanted to be completely free and clear so you can see That we are a nation of icon changers there will not be a single riot This is not night your 1990 America With Rodney King? This is not that America anymore. Everyone's gonna sit there and yell at each other on Twitter, Man! That sucks man! I'll mess him up baby! Now this is not your 1990 America anymore. I guarantee you no riots zero riots Well you get a dollar if thats true You mean the usual Mortimer Yeah the usual Mortimer Hate to say it but there will be an icon change campaign

2:50:03 You can bet on it. Take that to the bank! You could take it to the bank... I'm gonna go with there's going to be a riot No, no riots. No way is not gonna happen and if there are no riots that will be sadder than if they're all right but it will prove my point we are nation of icon changing couch potato hamburger-eatin' fat slobs of no worth It doubles.

2:51:03 Where things are just going slow and there'll be no riots here. I'm John C. Dvorak We will talk to you again on Sunday, please join us for another episode of No Agenda Holy shit! I just fell asleep and had this nightmare that you were talking about really boring shit Oh fuck it's happening! The best podcast in the universe! dvorak dot org slash n a