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00:00 Because if you think there's a problem, you cap. Adam Curry, John C. DeVora. It's Thursday, May 2nd, 2013. Time for your Gitmo Nation Media Assassination Episode 409-er. This is no agenda. at the bottom of the ranking of six here in the Travis Heights hideout where SoCo meets MoFo in Austin, Texas. In the morning everybody, I'm Adam Curry. And from northern Silicon Valley where I'm reading the tweets of Shannon Bream. I'm John C. Dvorak. It's crackpot and buzzkill. Shannon Bream is who? Shannon Bream. Well she just showed up on my feed here. She's one of the Fox girls. Oh, and you're following her.

00:45 Creepy yep, you are so creepy. She must be cute if she's one of the Fox girls She has actually pretty good tweets We're on a verdict watch. Is this about the three saps who got picked up in Boston? No, she's following some other case. Oh, I know it's the Kermit doctor. Yeah, Kermit the Frog. That's a pretty weird thing though. I guess that's the abortion doctor who would babies would do late-term abortions and he'd kill them if they were still breathing yeah and it's you know it's an interesting topic which of course you know that there's no there's there's no winner or losers in that conversation when you really think about okay you know when is it okay to kill to kill the unborn child

01:40 It's an interesting conversation. It's funny we never talk about this sort of thing on the show here. We have better things to do. Neither of us have the equipment. We're not equipped to talk about giving birth. We don't have the standing if you were in the court of law. We don't have standing to talk about it. That's true. We have zero standing. Let the gals talk about it. Hey, right off the bat, John, I would like to wish you, oh my goodness, it's a very busy month. Are you ready for it? Ready for the rundown? I'd like to wish you a very happy National Mental Health Awareness Month. Oh, okay. Very happy National Foster Care Month. Okay. A very happy National Physical Fitness and Sports Month. A very happy Asian American and Pacific Islander Heritage Month.

02:27 A very happy Jewish American Heritage Month. I mean, why did the Jews have to share with the Chinks and the Islanders? A very happy National Building Safety Month. And if that wasn't enough, John, yes, very happy Older Americans Month. Oh. I mean, it's going to be one non-stop party. It sounds like it. This Happy Older Americans Month is kind of like celebrating Tuna a la King. Not getting that, but okay. Well, it's like, you know, you're old and... You're old! Get out of the way! The president says we're finding new ways to make sure seniors live with dignity as full members of their communities. Getting you Medicare and Social Security and

03:27 All good stuff. It's like when 65 I guess your life is over. Isn't that when you're officially a senior when you're 65? It's a... it depends. It keeps changing. They're gonna move it to 70. Oh and John, today, Happy Bin Laden Disappearance Day. It's an anniversary. That's right. It's not something that was noted in the Congress. It was noted in official intelligence briefings. I can, I have the briefing here as May 2nd, here it is, this is the second anniversary of Osama bin Laden death. This is, and I love it where the... Is this the Osama or the Osama? This is the Osama. Osama, Osama, Osama, Osama, hey originator DoD army organizations USAITA Alaract release. I'm not familiar with this. This is one of these cables.

04:25 Subject, second anniversary of Osama Bin Laden death, 2nd of May 2013, HQOA, Anti-Terrorism Awareness Advisory. Alert! Alert! So it could be a day of terror, fear. Well that's an everyday in America. every day in America every day is a day of fear are you afraid of fear so we had we had our our dinner party on Monday night And and right we talked a little bit about this on the show we did not much we talked most of it after the show well and this is one of those rare occasions where we actually had a an off-topic discussion after the show which I would say lasted for about 45 minutes quite a record for us and we had already spoken for over two and a half hours shower up afterwards

05:21 And mainly because I was now cooking for a total of six people and these are our friends here in Austin. We have Russell the brain scientist, we have his lovely wife Jennifer the architect, we have Lori the artist, and her husband Mark the rock and roller who also does investments and accounting. and they're all Obama bots. Oh, they're total Obama bots. And Mickey and I concluded after the evening, which it wasn't until past midnight. It was a good evening. We concluded that we are probably their wacky friends. Those two, wow. Have you ever been to their house? You gotta go hang out. They're unbelievable. What they say is crazy, crazy. I gotta tell you. So first of all, I had asked you for advice. I said, what am I going to cook? Six people? I don't think I can do this. And you went, you were so lovely. You went, this is easy. No problem. You're doing beef bourguignon.

06:23 I'm like, what? And so first of all, I did not sell this as beef bourguignon. I wrote it down. I wrote down exactly how you told me to do this. Yeah. And which is quite funny. In fact, I will give you just the first few lines. And I named it something different because they said, oh, what are we having for dinner? I said, we're having double dip recession slave stew. Yes, you actually got it right, which I think is a great name for this dish. It is. And here's how you said it. You get five pounds of meat, chuck steaks, one and a half inch cubes, and this is the cheapest meat you can find. I mean, I'm talking cheap, cheap, cheap. Then you get your cast iron pot. You make this thing hot. I mean, fucking hot. You're going to put the meat in there, and it's just going to be like, it's going to be smoking. It's outrageous. You're going to have to open the doors and the windows. This is nuts. It's caramelizing. Don't touch it. That's kind of how you told me to do it.

07:17 Yeah, kinda. And so I had to make an investment and... Makes a lot of smoke. The investment was... If done right. Yeah, oh yeah. Well the investment was getting a Dutch oven which I didn't have. So we went to Bed Bath & Beyond after you and I... Those are not true Dutch ovens, but go on. Well, no, I... But you went to bed, did you buy the one that we saw on the online? You know what? There were three different kinds and the one that we saw online, there was kind of a... There were two other choices. One was the French kind, which like $300. Yeah, they're a little pricey. What and how much... Because they're enameled. They were all enameled. Maybe a different... Oh, okay. Well, you know, I always go with the...

08:00 The one I use is real, is American cast iron. It's the big heavy duty cast iron, cast iron that needs to be cured. Yeah, so I got the one that Emeril sells. I liked it, yeah. So it's six quarts. That's perfect. We needed... It was all purpose. You can cook a lot of meals in that thing. Now, and I'm really going to get into this because this was a dynamite thing to do. I followed your instructions, although I did something really stupid which I think may have contributed to the success of the meal. Because, you know, what you do, the whole secret really is you're throwing in a bottle of wine and that's really the secret to it. And that's just going to, although you have a secret ingredient which is the cooking sake, I thought that was a, that's a very cool thing to do kind of after your second hour. But I had also asked you what wine I should serve at the meal and you had said, you had suggested a Cote d'Uron 2009, but 2010 or 2011 would do.

09:04 And so I'd found a Cote d'Uron and I think it was not cheap, it was like 17 bucks or something. It's expensive for Cote d'Uron but yeah. Well so the mistake is I wound up pouring that into the stew. You know, technically, beef bourguignon, of course, is a variation on stew. The French version is made in Burgundy and it's technically supposed to be made with a Burgundy wine and I suggested a Pinot. Yeah. And you used instead a Syrah or actually a Grenache Syrah blend, whatever it's in. Nobody knows what's in it. They have to go to their own. So that would move, it would shift the flavor profile substantially. But it worked! Well yeah, and actually any wine will work. I've cooked those things up with white wine.

09:52 But and and what's great about this is the kitchen is clean when everyone shows up. It's just clean Yeah, everything's all the messes cleared the thing sitting there. It's just bubbling along John They could not believe they're like you're you're they're like you're full of crap. You've cooked before you've done this before I said no no never first time and I gave you full credit. They all know who you are Of course, I gave you full credit For coaching ya. No, I said it's it's I said no I said right down to buying the Dutch oven today So I was honest about it But I didn't say it was birth beef bourguignon. I just said it was double-dip recession slave stew

10:31 Yeah, that's good. Yeah, so but anyway, he's working it is a slave student be honest about it She's got a fancy name at a certain point. You know there is a Point in the evening where they'll say to me okay, Adam, so we're here for our reality check Like what are you afraid of? See what am I afraid of and nothing? I'm not afraid of a single thing and then Mickey bless her heart. He's like yeah, cuz we got guns. I'm like oh I And the heads whips like what do you mean you have a gun? He's like I got a gun in my car And then I said and I have an ar-15 that semi-automatic with big scary high-capacity magazines It was just it there was like it was that was the moment that was the turning point and like No, no nothing to do

11:30 people like you. No, I think they find it fascinating because they I can see they're really in fact one of the women said you know yeah Mickey's explaining and we got to tone this down because you know people in Austin don't get it. They're not in Texas. Well of course you know people here in Austin enjoy what Austin is and I believe part of what makes Austin Austin is because of it being in Texas and you know there's a lot of things I think benefits that come along with that and one of them is there's relatively low crime because and I believe that is attributable in large part to the fact that everyone's armed. Certain types of crime for sure are much lower than other populations, populated areas because you know you don't want to just carjack someone you know like Mickey could be in the car and shoot you

12:21 You don't want to like try and break into someone's house because you can get shot now it still happens of course and people are stupid But you know the conversation kind of turned to one of the women saying Yeah, you know the other day. I honked at someone in traffic, and I was like oh my god. He might shoot me You know so so people are people are kind of afraid and it was interesting just to see how Yeah, just to hear the conversation, you know, and of course at some point someone said, you know, like, oh, like that idiot Sarah Palin. You know, I can't stand that, right? You know, I just can't, I can't take it. I'm like, well, did you read her book? Ha! You mean the one her ghostwriter wrote? Which is like... It's like knee jerks. Yeah, and of course what I could have said, which I didn't, was... It's all scripted. Yeah, it's like, you know, unlike Obama's script writers, you know, speech writers or ghost writer, whatever, but I didn't say that.

13:19 You're a better man. Well, but here's what's interesting. And I said, you know, because the women were really vocal about this. And actually the professor chimed in saying, well she's an idiot. I'm like wow that's empirical evidence right there for you, Kruff. She's an idiot. Proof! Because she can see Russia from her door. But I said, I can't believe the misogyny against Sarah Palin. You are women, what are you doing? And here's the line that got me. They felt that there was more hate for Hillary Clinton than Sarah Palin. They said that? Yeah.

13:55 I'm like, what are you talking about? Where's the evidence of that? I mean, what are you talking about? And then of course, you know, it's like... She's not even running for president. She's polling higher than everyone. How's that? Where's the... Where is the... Where's the hate? Where's the hate? Where's the hate? I was just blown away. I'm like, how can you're sitting here saying she's an idiot? You don't know the woman. You haven't read her book. You know, you there's all these. I know enough. It's what the media has told you about it. You have no idea. She ran a pretty big state and people seem pretty happy with their oil money. that she fought for, the people got their money. Yeah, which is unusual in this country. Yeah, not like Texas is handing out the oil money to everybody. Yeah, the big boys keep it. I didn't see no check anywhere. Anyway, so that's okay.

14:43 But you know from there it just kind of disintegrated into... Name calling. Basic name calling. And then I did pull out and it worked really really well. And this is great for those of you who will get into the conversation. You know, when so you know we're talking about gun control and you know I said and of course I rolled out my look you can't really legislate crazy. You know what point you know are you deemed medically what was it? mentally un... what's the word John? Dismissed? Unhinged. Unhinged, off the wall that you can't, you know, have a gun and then you know where does it go from there you can't be around kids and you shouldn't be within a hundred yards of a school you know where does it end but then I said but really your... I said your Democratic leaders I love saying that because if they say oh I can always say I just I didn't say that you're a Democrat I said your Democratic leaders

15:43 They don't give a rat's ass about you. All they care about, and they don't care about the legislation either. It doesn't matter if it passes or not. All they want is to keep this conversation going because that will bring all the Democrat, all the women will never ever ever vote Republican again. You know, that's our theme as to, you know, our thesis that we've come up with as to why this is such a big deal. And they were smart. They went, oh, well, that's really working, isn't it? I said, yep. And that was so that you know when you get someone who's willing to listen even an Obama bot Yeah, and I don't need I don't know what they voted for. I'm just presuming I have no please

16:24 You don't know. They didn't vote for Gary Johnson. I think Jennifer asked, don't you have a hero? I said no. No. That's sad. You said your mom. No, that's really corny. Totally. That's corny. I wouldn't have done that. So anyway, it was a big hit. Really, really big hit. So what did you serve for wine since you dumped the expensive Cote d'Aron into the pot? They brought over a 2010 Shiraz, which was... That would match the meat. Yeah, it did. That would make the beef bourguignon cooked with the Shiraz-Granache blend a better combination with the wine.

17:10 Now there is something that goes along with... What did you have for a vegetable? Did you cook the spinach? Yeah, and we tried the way you suggested the spinach the day before. It didn't work? Yeah, but I like our way better. Okay. Yeah, your way was okay, just in the water and everything and then throw the butter in, but I kind of like the... I don't know. No, it didn't work for us. It just it was fine, but it didn't work for us And then we also did a goat cheese and pear salad which I'm Mickey actually did that was the presentation of that when you get the presentation Right of that kind of salad dynamite doesn't matter how it tastes. Okay, so not do they invite you over? Is that the deal is like the discreet charm of the bourgeoisie you go? It's the brains it's the brain professor next who by the way agreed with us about that remember the

18:04 The brain guy on NPR who was talking about he can predict if someone's gonna be a criminal or a repeat criminal with his little test. If you have to hit, if a Y pops up, you hit the button. If an X pops up, you hit the button, then you're clearly a criminal. Yeah, right. You're a pathological murderer. Right. So the guy said, and I said, that guy's a douchebag. And he agreed. He said, oh yeah, he's not only is a douchebag, he runs, he goes around the country with a mobile brain scanner to, you know, to show his theories. He says the guy's a total... There's a lot of animosity in this brain business. And that whole Obama hundred million dollar thing, he says it's kind of bullcrap because 40 million of it was already appropriated by DARPA. So he was like, you know, it wasn't really all new money and everyone thought it was kind of weird. Even the brain guys don't quite get it. I'm paraphrasing, but that's what I was left with, so explain it better next time. Because they're listening.

19:04 And they're on guard too. I think that's a part of it. Are you gonna use this for the show? Yeah, they're all listening now. Oh, yeah Exactly exactly But but I did know like at least a fun Conversational group not about a bunch of dummies. Oh, no, totally totally and you know and and Laurie is really she's an artist and she's she's really into the whole What do you call it? You know the Art no no no the all the techno gadgets and what's the transhuman transhumanization? Oh God yeah, she's probably to have a visit at Singularity University She'll probably be there with the Google glasses next I Could totally see her with the Google glasses

20:01 And, um... You know, Natalie Del Conte's doing something like this. Oh, no. She's heading in this direction. Oh, no. Tell me it's not so. Yeah, I know she was when she did the Twitter thing some about a month ago. She was talking about she's she's got herself all rigged up So she knows her heartbeat at all the times. It's like some sort of self-reflective thing So you're constantly your blood pressure is in monitor. Oh, yeah But you can get work with this stuff you so you can get gigs. I'm telling you people gigs doing what oh so Laurie is artist in residence at University of Texas and

20:38 Doing all this stuff and with the brain people. That's how they know each other you see uh-huh Yeah, you can get good gigs wiring yourself up You can get invited to conferences and all you get free airfare and all kinds of stuff. It's good. You know just you the bull Just wear it whatever it is just wear it I keep see I can't stand this wearable computing stuff anyway, but but I did feel something sure man It's the future yeah for real I did feel something kind there is a shift and it was and and I kind of figured out where it's coming from I think with the Conspiracy theories and how this is talked about now in mainstream We've already noticed this a couple of times and I'm going to say right up front again. I am fully convinced now that Alex Jones is an agent of

21:34 of change and is playing his part in being an idiot on mainstream television or at least projecting himself in such a way that it's easy to portray him as an idiot to really classify anyone who has an alternative idea. Marginalization technique. Complete, yes, marginalization. Thank you. Is that a Nazi thing? Must be. No, I don't think it was the Nazis that came up. I think it's a straight out and out public relations effect, maybe specialized or developed by Bernays. Oh yeah, that could be. It's a possibility. And I've also, I think I've figured out why, because really does the mainstream media, is it really that important for them to say, oh, we have to knock these alternative news people down a peg?

22:30 And if it really was true, then they would come after us which they're not because it just no one matters I mean, it's so small on the big media scale even what Alex Jones has it's so incredibly small small So it has to be about something else. I think I figured it out and oh, oh, yeah Yeah, it's not that hard but they're they're giving that a couple of people who are telegraphing it and giving it away now the first time I really This was a couple days ago right after the White House Correspondents Dinner. When I heard this, I'm like, hmm, wait a minute. There's something going on here. uh... chuck todd who's with uh... he's with uh... with the n nbc i think he's an indian you know what what i wonder how many people realize that the and when he did his you know there's always this part at the end where they get serious for a minute which is a department president say you know i think that press has a good job to do and i just want to do it instead that he wasn't very complimentary of the person we all can do better was it did seem i thought his pot shots

23:30 joke-wise and then the serious stuff about the internet. the rise of the internet media and social media and all that stuff. He hates it, okay? He hates this part of the media. He really thinks that the sort of the buzzification, this isn't just about BuzzFeed or Politico and all this stuff, but he thinks that sort of coverage of political media has hurt political discourse. He hates it and I think he was trying to make that clear last night. So I'm not so sure that you know that that's entirely true, but I think it's a signal to mainstream like we're going after the crazies and we're going to classify them as such and there is a benefit to which I think does fit in with the president's next or upcoming mission and really where all the money is because if you're not following the money then who then no one cares but first I need to bring in MSNBC's Martin Bashir

24:23 and Martin we saw the creep this guy is very creepy actually I don't watch his show but someone alerted me to what was going on and there was this whole segment he had on and so and I pulled out as much of it as possible because it's all they're really taking Alex Jones to task and like why why do these guys care I mean who gives a crap about you know what what Alex Jones does, why would they care at all and why would they make such a big deal out of it and well here's a couple of just interesting clips that I pulled which kind of gives you an idea of what's going on here. In the early 2000s... I'm sorry he has a guest on one guy is selling a book and another guy is from the Huffington Post

25:08 And I think this is the Huffington Post guy. It's a free country. It's interesting that the Huffington Post decided that they wouldn't do that. First Amendment is a big internet, go ahead and create your own WordPress blog and write whatever you want about it, but you're not going to talk about that here. The right did not do that. uh... when it came to birthers and so all the sudden you had this this this uh... this combination of of them not believing the quote-unquote liberal media you know that they don't trust to the media as an institution a lot of don't trust the government either the way i was ruby richard all that stuff right now but why would we trust the government after we go and who's original that's really

26:00 After Waco and Ruby Ridge, they don't trust the government. Nobody was indicted. They didn't know who was the sniper who killed the poor guy's wife. It's interesting though that... And dog and nobody does anything about it when somebody, you know, sneezes while there's a burglary and you're part of the conspiracy. It's interesting though when the way he says it and the way Bashir agrees, it's like they're both saying, yeah, how could you even think about the government being wrong in those cases? That was so justified. I mean, listen to it. believing the quote-unquote liberal media. They don't trust the media as an institution. A lot of them don't trust the government either. Waco and Ruby Ridge and all that stuff. So you get that toxic combination, and then you get establishment figures in the Republican Party backing up this birtherism, and then you have these email chains that are whipping around the country, and they would use as validation, they would say, you haven't seen this on the mainstream media, therefore it's true. The fact

26:56 that the media would not validate it, to them, validates it. The fact that the media would not validate it, to them, validates it. Incredible. Incredible. Incredible. Just incredibly stupid. And so they also attack Beck, which I think is probably justified. But then this is really funny. Listen to the discrepancy. And here's the douchebag who's not the Huffington Post douchebag, some other guy or whatever. But you'll hear it's really funny what happens in this 50 seconds. Earlier we played some sound of Glenn Beck linking what happened in Boston disgracefully to Auschwitz. And let me show everyone a picture of that. There you can see Beck, a picture of Boston.

27:49 And in the bottom right corner, his new book on the truth about gun control. In the end, this is all just about peddling books and amortizing their brand, isn't it? Of course. And, you know, eventually it got fired even from Fox because they started to lose advertisers. And in my book, which isn't out yet, but it's coming out... I find this fantastic. Hold on a second! Isn't that great? Are you trying to get clip of the day? Didn't you like that? It's like, it's disgraceful Glenn Beck is selling a book, but in my book, which is coming out next month... What are you kidding me? In my book, which is not out yet, but it's coming out in a month, I explain how at one point Steve Jobs, the late Steve Jobs, heard that Glenn Beck had called Obama a racist.

28:42 and he ordered all Apple ads off of Fox and he said no it can't wait till Monday this was on a Friday that it happened and they had to go out to a transmission facility and pull out a digital file to make sure that all Apple ads were off Fox not long after that Beck was fired. So here he is with the revelation that Glenn Beck was fired because Steve Jobs made it so which I find an interesting connection So, you know, let's see, you know, that it may or may not be true. I it's a possibility because he was very fickle and Jobs is a huge Democrat. Yeah. Clinton over his house and he was and he was a neoliberal Democrat. Yeah. Anybody out there. And so I could see him doing like all rich Americans. He was a Democrat.

29:32 Like the true wealthy in America, he was a Democrat. Yeah, like the super rich or the ultra rich, with very few exceptions, or almost all Democrats. Because the idea that the party wants to keep people in their place. Yes. And so if you're in your place and you're up at the top, great. So anyway, that makes sense. Well, so bear with me now. By the way, which brings us back to our model, Well before we get into that because it is important is an important part of our model because this guy I did I have more because when I want to play that he literally is saying the way we have to get rid of these crazy fringe people Although Glenn Beck is arguably fringe. He's making a lot of money with his radio show Is by going after their advertisers, so he keeps saying go after the advertisers go after the advertisers This is how you bring them down and that's really what this conversation is about now on the heels of this is

30:28 We've had a lot of articles. Salon is out front, but you'll see more of this. And the article that came out today is Alex Jones Conspiracy Inc. And so they show you, and there's a cool picture of him with just big wads of cash all around his head. And it shows how they break down quite in detail. And I'm not sure if it's right or not, but in detail, They break down how much money he must be making and there's a guess somewhere between six and eight million dollars a year with all the stuff. Seeds. Sounds reasonable. Between six and eight million probably.

31:14 You know, and let's see, and it, how does it end up, you know, of course it talks about, you know, crazy conspiracy theories and the whole idea is that these are conspiracy entrepreneurs. Unless we yeah Yeah conspiracy, so that's what they call it. Yeah conspiracy entrepreneurs conspiracy Inc and And this is what everyone's trying to be pigeonholed in is the the an Alex Jones up front He's doing a very good job of that. I have to say he's a leader. He's the leader He's really hurting everybody else really is hurting them with his insane cuz he is insane. It's the insane behavior When he makes it to me just isn't he's insane just seeds

31:53 and my face. It's hurting, it's hurting because then you get this kind of stuff and the marginalization is beginning. And then you have to yell a lot louder because then we get... Which makes you sound insane. Yeah, well, yes it does. Of course it makes me, it's certainly, the only thing that makes this show work is you. I'm so down to earth. You are. That's right. And I can cook a stew. So then there are two other articles. One was republished in Salon, How Conspiracists Think, but it comes from Scientific American. Now, Scientific American, you think this would be kind of

32:33 scientific wouldn't you of course unless you've actually followed the fact that scientific American went off the rails science yeah probably 15 years ago when they essentially became war they essentially threw themselves through themselves under the bus of pop science and became pretty useless. Right, well but it's just as much about science as the Federal Reserve is a part of the government. Let's put it that way. Alright? It works though. People think Federal Reserve, that's part of the government. People think Scientific American, that's real science.

33:10 This is written by Sander van der Linden, who seems like a Dutch guy, but he may be of Dutch heritage, but that's not clear in his bio. The title here is, Moon Landing Faked! Why People Believe in Conspiracy Theories! And here it is, new psychological research helps explain why some see intricate government conspiracies behind events like 9-11 or the Boston bombing. And right off the bat he telegraphs what his article is really about. Did NASA fake the moon landing? Is the government hiding Martians in Area 51? Is global warming a hoax? And what about the Boston Marathon bombing? An inside job perhaps?

33:51 And then he promotes this book, The Empire of Conspiracy, and it really doesn't go into anything at all, but he does bring it around back to global warming. And I'll just skip to the end. All these articles, of course, are in the show notes, even with archived versions. It's 509.nashownotes.com. So since a number of studies have shown that belief in conspiracy theories is associated with feelings of powerlessness, uncertainty and a general lack of agency and control, a likely purpose of this bias is to help people make sense of the world by providing simple explanations for complex social events, restoring a sense of control and predictability. A good example of that is climate change.

34:33 You know what's interesting to interrupt you there, I like the way he uses his adjectives to say a simple explanation. The anti-warmists, the people who believe global warming is not what it's purported to be, those explanations they have are anything but simple. Like the guy I sent you a link to one of this studies of this guy who's a actual title expert. I put it in here. The problem is that these computer models are bullcrap and he's gone out. I'm gonna let you get to all of that because that's where we're headed but I need to make the bridge so people understand what's going on what's happening right now and why this conspiracy theory stuff is taking place. So he brings this around

35:18 And I'll skip to the very end here. A good example of that is climate change. While the most recent International Scientific Assessment Report, receiving input from over two and a half thousand independent scientists from more than a hundred countries, science is in, concluded with 90% certainty that human-induced global warming is occurring. The severe consequences and implications of climate change are often too distressing and overwhelming for people to deal with, both cognitively as well as emotionally. Resorting to easier explanations that simply discount global warming as a hoax is then of course much more comforting and convenient psychologically. Yet, as Al Gore famously pointed out, unfortunately the truth is not always convenient.

36:03 So I'm like, who is this douchebag? Here he is, and this is what led me down the path. Sander van der Linde is a doctoral candidate in social environmental psychology at the London School of Economics and Political Science, and currently a visiting research scholar with the Yale Project on Climate Change Communication at Yale University. His research focuses on behavioral change, the psychology of communication, and the construction of human risk perception. I think Goebbels is one of his professors. Because this thing at Yale, and you've got to take a look at this. This is the Yale project. It's often called the Yale project on climate change, but it's not really that. It's the Yale project on climate change communication. And they have come out with a number of reports. The most recent report, Extreme Weather and Climate Change in the American Mind. This is a report from April 2013. But the one that interests me the most

37:04 is the one from December 2012, Global Warming 6 Americas. Because there are six type of Americas, John. Can you believe it? There's the kind of America that totally believes in global warming, all the way down to the dismissives. We're all gonna die. No, the dismissives. We are the dismissives. And this guy shows up on Bill Moyers, which is a part of PBS. Right? And Bill Moyers does an hour-long interview with him. I mean an hour-long interview. Is this the ending that's silence on climate change with Bill Moyers? I'm sorry? No, it's a different one. The guy's name is Leserowitz. Where are you getting this December date? I can't find it on the site. Oh, look in the right hand side.

38:03 2012 six America's report. What are you looking at the Yale climate change? Communication site bridging science and technology. Yeah. Hey you see on the right. Okay, there it is. Okay. All right And it's really boring. It's just a whole bunch of graphs and crap. Find out which of the six Americans you... Wait, don't click on that! I'm gonna do the quiz with you. Don't do it now. Don't click. I won't not click. Promise you won't click? Because it's so much fun. I clicked on the PDF, but I didn't click on the test. Okay, don't click on the test. Please, please, please. Okay, okay. So let's just listen to... This morning at the breakfast table with Ms. Mickey, I had to clip a couple things. So here is... This is the spokeshole.

38:42 and uh... the first of all let's find out about this science you know because it he's going to break it down for six plain how this science is correct and what is the role of religious faith in answering it what do you say to the secularist i say let's engage on the science let me hear what your arguments are and then let's respond to them and that i would ask in turn that you listen to what the scientific community has to say. Are you ready? Do you think you can explain it, what the scientific community has to say? John, are you ready for it? They never listen. Well, stand by. It's perfectly fine to have a great conversation with many people about the science itself. Because the science is so robust at this point. I mean, we have basically known for

39:26 Over 20 years now. I just heard they've shouted down everybody listen the science is robust stand by Be quiet now otherwise you won't you can miss it it and it actually boils down for all the complexities of science It's really quite simple. It's real for all its complexity it's real okay shut up is real climate change is real it is mostly human caused this time mostly climate change this time changes over many millions of years in the past that had nothing to do with human beings that's a little piece of propaganda oh yeah oh yeah oh yeah shut up already science it's mostly well okay go on yeah let me go on being caused by our activities

40:12 Third, it's going to be bad. In fact, it's bad now and it's going to get worse. It's going to be bad. Fourth, there's hope that there are lots of solutions already on the table. All right. So now he's going to explain it. Explain what this means. You know, this this rising of the temperature. What do you mean? What is this? What is the best? Remember, this is a professor in climate change communication. He runs the whole department at Yale. He's a PR guy. Duh. What do you think? What do you what analogy Could you use that would work with stupid slaves who are going to buy into this? I don't know. Just use a simple analogy because people often will say well, you know, four or five degrees that doesn't sound like very much. I mean, I see the temperature change more from night to day, but it's the wrong way to think about it. I mean, think about when you get sick and you get a fever. Your body is usually at 98.7 degrees. If your temperature rises by one degree,

41:12 you feel a little off, but you can still go to work, you're fine. It rises by 2 degrees and you're now feeling sick. In fact, you're probably going to take the day off because you definitely don't feel good. And in fact, you're getting everything from hot flashes to cold chills. Oh, I love it. At 3 degrees, you're starting to get really sick. And at 4 degrees and 5 degrees, your brain is actually slipping into a coma. You're close to death. The Earth has a fever! It's going to die! the are slipping into a coma guys wasn't this the same group that as we were reading earlier bitch about the the the people who are uh... ok anti warmest as being simple yes is the most simple minded analogy that means nothing okay so now let's find out about the six americans somebody did i think the comeback to that if the if lawyers but more is that there is no well yeah that could be true but the but the

42:11 The range of temperatures that the human body can endure is minimal. The range of temperatures on Earth at any given time starts at minus 30 or minus 50 degrees and goes up to 120. But the Earth has a fever, John. John, Mother Earth has a fever. She's not feeling good. Two last groups. One is what we call the doubtful. It's about 13% of the public. Doubtful. These are people who say, well, I don't think it's happening, but if it is, it's natural. Nothing humans had anything to do with and therefore nothing we can do anything about. So they don't pay that much attention, but they're predisposed to say not a problem.

43:05 And then last but not least, 8% of Americans are what we call the dismissive. And these are people who are firmly convinced it's not happening, it's not human caused, it's not a serious problem, and many are what we would lovingly call conspiracy theorists. lovingly called conspiracy theorists. Oh, this is even better. It's a hoax. They had a meeting to use that one. Oh yeah. It's scientists making up data. It's a UN plot to take away American sovereignty and so on. Uncle Phil and he's the nicest guy. He's a little nutty. He's been, you know, a poor man. He gets lost if he goes outside. But we love Uncle Phil. He's really a deeply, deeply nice, nice person.

43:46 Here we go. Okay, so here's I love how he says okay after every sentence. It's like it's almost so Silicon Valley I was good the guys go I go right so you have the transmogrified Google Glass which is perfect for everyone wants one right and then you know this guy saying okay, okay

44:22 He says a real soft okay. Of course, know the audience. You have to understand though, John, this very small group, who are the loudest. You know why they're loud, don't you? You know why. You know why? Like us. I mean, you and I clearly, clearly were financed by horrible polluting companies. Oil companies. Yeah, we get a check every week. I just get, it's just like, it's wheelbarrows coming in. Wheelbarrows of cash. In fact, even the environment as a category never gets above, say, one or at most two percent of total news coverage. But it's not just the amount of media coverage.

45:18 It's also the fact that there's been a very active disinformation campaign. Disinformation campaign! So this guy only listens to Fox, I guess. Yeah. That's been going on for many years. It's very well documented. Very well documented? Do you have cancelled checks to show or something? Barely. Certainly... Originally, and still to this day, driven by fossil fuel company interests, who are the world's most profitable companies. And get ready for it. I mean, they're very happy, thank you very much, with the status quo. And so what are they saying in this disinformation campaign? Well historically, this has been the key strategy all along. And here's something that Michael Crichton was talking about in 2005. In fact it's a strategy that was lifted explicitly directly out of the tobacco wars, which is make people think that the science is still unsettled. And if my perception is that the experts are still arguing over whether the problem exists,

46:15 as a layperson my tendency is to say well you know I'll let them figure it out and you know I'll take this as much more seriously once they've reached their conclusion. So this of course is you know people who said that you know it's like basically they're equating the tobacco industry to the fossil fuel industry. Yeah that's a really good way to go. throw a couple of things in. Unless you're still in this you're right on the spot. Well I want to give you two more things because I figure you're just going to go off and I have a question for you and I think we should do the test. The climate. The climate. Okay this interruption won't change anything. Please go. But the this idea of the oil companies, the oil companies are money makers there's no doubt about it but what they do is they

47:05 drill holes and make money from what it comes out and then they own the generally own the product when it should be shared in some instances like it is in Alaska and Ecuador and places like that but they've managed that their evil if anything is the fact that they don't share the wealth. They are nothing like the tobacco companies who were in front of Congress lying. In fact, the oil companies having worked for one and then was an air pollution inspector at another one for the government. I can say honestly that they're not like that at all. When I was working for Union Oil, they were all in on peak oil. Yeah. And they were discussing openly the issues that, you know, what we're going to do in the future if things, you know, crap out.

47:48 They were not sitting around like these tobacco guys were and it was only the tobacco executives that were you know ditching reports. There's no reports that they're hiding. This is bullcrap is what I'm saying. Go on. I want to take the test real quick with you. Don't worry because based upon your answers it won't be very long. So this is the test that they actually used to come up with this 8% number which is why I thought it was interesting to take it. So, I have your age as 61, your gender male, what's your zip code? Is 94107, is that close enough? It's good enough. You can use any number. Next question. Okay. Recently you may have noticed that global warming has been getting some attention in the news. Global warming refers to the idea. This by the way is KQED. This is PBS. Oh, our boys over here in San Francisco. Yeah, this is your public media online helping them with this bogativeness.

48:39 Okay, global warming refers to the idea that the world's average temperature has been increasing over the past 150 years, may be increasing more in the future, and the world's climate may change as a result. What do you think? Do you think that global warming is happening? Answers yes, no, don't know. I think it is. I would put yes on that because I think it's a cycle. I'm a cycle guy. Yeah, good. Because of your last answer, you do not need to answer anything here. Please skip ahead to the next question. Oh, don't worry, next question. Hold on. Don't have to do four. Okay. If global warming is happening, do you think it is, one, caused mostly by human activities, two, caused mostly by natural changes in the environment, three, other, or four, none of the above because global warming isn't happening? I would say two.

49:28 Natural changes to the environment. Okay, next question. How worried are you about global warming? Very worried, somewhat worried, not very worried, not at all worried. Not at all. Not at all worried. Okay, here we go. Because we're going to determine your category. How much do you think global warming will harm you personally? A great deal, a moderate amount, not at all, don't know. What? Read those again. So how much do you think global warming will harm you personally? A great deal, a moderate amount, not at all, or don't know. Not at all. Okay. What do you think, when do you think global warming will start to harm people in the United States? So you see how they're leading you down a path now? You can't get out of it. Oh yeah, now they've changed. I've said it's not going to harm me, but they're just like the EU having to re-vote on it. Here we go. Let's try you again on that question. Well, you do have some answers. They are being harmed now in 10 years, 25 years, 50 years, 100 years or never.

50:28 Well, I would say never, but I could also say they're being harmed now by the propaganda. Yeah, but you know that's not the right answer. So I'll say never. No, it's specifically global warming, not the global warming propaganda. That would be a derivative of the global warming. We'll go to the next question. How much do you think global warming will harm future generations of people? See, you can't get out. How many times do I have to answer the same question? A great deal, a moderate amount, not at all, or don't know? Not at all, I would presume, right? That's fine. I don't know either one. Okay. How much had you thought about global warming before today? A lot, some, a little, or not at all? Not at all. Well, no, some. Some. Because we talked about it. Yeah, we talked about it. That's what I answered too. How important is the issue of global warming to you personally? Extremely important? Very important? Somewhat important? Not too important? Not at all important?

51:19 Well, because we discuss it so much in the show, it's somewhat important. I answered this the same way. I answered honestly. I could easily change my mind about global warming. Strongly agree, somewhat agree, somewhat disagree, strongly disagree. Easily is the operative word there. The operative adverb, I think. I would say, read them again. Strongly agree, somewhat agree, somewhat disagree, strongly disagree. I don't know that I somewhat disagree. We're almost done. How many of your fringe share your views on global warming? None, a few, some, most or all? Some? Are you sure it's not a few? What's the difference between some and a few? I think it's more a few than some. You're in Berkeley. What are you talking about? Yeah, I'm in the right. If I was in Kansas City, I'd be like... Who's calling me? Go away, you crazy.

52:22 Global warm up which of the following statements comes closest to your view. This is a big one Global warming isn't happening humans can't reduce global warming even if it is happening Humans could reduce global warming, but people aren't willing to change their behavior. So they're not going to Humans could reduce global warming, but it's unclear at this point whether we will do what's needed or humans could reduce global warming and we're going to do so successfully I would have that second answer. Humans can't do crap. Okay, even if it's happening. Okay, good. Got it. Do you think citizens themselves should be doing more or less to address global warming? Much more, more, doing the right amount, less or much less? This is also a trick question. I would say less. Less. Okay.

53:09 I wonder what category you're going to be in. We're about to find out. Over the past 12 months, how many times have you punished companies that were opposing steps to reduce global warming by not buying their products? Oh, that is disgusting. So you can do say never once, a few times, several times, many times, or don't know. Isn't that a horrible question? Actually, why don't you ask the opposite question? Well, not many times have you punished companies that promote the global warmest agenda. Is that on there? Let me see. Is that question on there? Let me see. Do you think global warming should be a low, medium, high or very high priority for the President and Congress? Low. Low. And the final question. People disagree whether the United States should reduce greenhouse gas emissions on its own or make reductions only if other countries do too.

54:01 Which of the following statements comes closest to your own point of view? The United States should reduce its greenhouse gas emissions regardless of what other countries do, only if other industrialized countries such as England, Germany and Japan reduce their emissions, only if other industrialized countries developing countries such as China, India and Brazil reduce their emissions, not at all or don't know. Well, it doesn't hurt, but I'd say not at all in so far as that question is concerned. Okay, not at all. And here we go. Your climate profile. Ha ha! Guess what? What? John C. Dvorak! You are... a dismissive! How can I be a dismissive? That's right. You're- you wanna- would you like to know what this means?

54:47 Because if I'm a dismissive, those earlier questions that I answered ambiguously don't count for anything. In the United States, the dismissives are mostly white, male, conservative, and Republican. They are politically active, strongly religious, and the group most likely identify themselves as born-again or evangelical Christians. Oh, what a crotch that is. That doesn't apply to me in the least. It's alright, I'm the same. You came out as a dismissive? Duh! Amen my brother. I can tell you what the answer should be for a dismissive. I think it's all bullshit. People in the dismissive group believe that global warming is not happening and if it is, it is caused by natural changes in the environment. Most believe there is a lot of scientific disagreement about the issue. Let me just say something about this. Consensus is not science.

55:40 Science is not consensus. Science is empirical fact with repeatable processes, not a model that predicts something like, you know, the children of Britain will never see snow except in a snow globe. Okay? Science is not consensus. Am I wrong about this, John? No, it has to be repeatable and observable. And you can't, and everything like, in fact we have it in the show notes, we had one of our listeners, oh you guys are idiots for thinking that the world's not coming to an end. Yeah. And he went on about it and you know, I found it very insulting because of the way he phrases, but then again email is naturally insulting. I could be wrong, but I blew up. Yeah, you did. That was funny. Yeah, I know you get the biggest kick when I do that.

56:28 So I do it about once a month I get on some poor guy's case. But there is an upside to all this. But let me finish. The one thing that... we have in the show notes is the guy who went out and actually checked the tides. He says you can talk all you want about these computer models and by the way we had a big fiasco recently about computer models and the world's economies because somebody had the wrong formula in an Excel spreadsheet. This happens all the time. Or how about the volcanic ash that erupted? All airplanes had to stop. No flying! We had to stop flying because the planes are going to be crashing everywhere. It was the most beautiful flying weather ever. Remember that? We had pilots emailing me. Like, this is crazy. It's fantastic here. Because they predicted where the cloud was going and they were wrong.

57:24 Yeah, they can't even predict that. And so we have these problems and of course, so the guy goes out and measures all the ties that are supposed to have gone up and down and the rest and he finds a lot of them are gone down and the title differences and he doesn't see it. He says, I went out and looked. I went from, you know, he's a big shot in this. He goes around the world and he says, I'm not seeing anything that they're talking about. There's no evidence. Well, there may be some reverse evidence. Yeah, well, there could be the global cooling. No, there's a resolution in Congress. Now, resolution is not a law, but I guess it's to make everyone feel good so they can have a drink and say, well, good job, Joe. Good day at the office. The resolution in Congress says that climate change is forcing women into prostitution.

58:17 I love this one. There's an upside to everything. So here it is, the resolution. Whereas women will disproportionately face harmful impacts from climate change. Insecure women with limited socioeconomic resources may be vulnerable to situations such as sex work, transactional sex, which by the way is called marriage. Okay, let me just define that for you. And early marriage to put them at risk of HIV. Oh. You're gonna be a whore and have AIDS because of climate change. This is insane. Okay, this is just insane. I love this thing. I'm glad you brought it up because I forgot about it. Yeah, you're gonna be a whore with AIDS thanks to global warming.

59:00 Now, okay, so let's just follow the money for a moment. And this is I think where this guy messes up because I think he's lying and I believe because you you are much more involved at the time because of course what this really the way I see it is The whole climate change thing is not about saving the earth. No one gives a crap about you or the earth. These guys don't care. It's about taking your money in the form of a tax, a carbon tax, and it will be for everything. Like, oh, you talk too much. We'll have to tax that. Australia now has this. So it's an actual tax. And from what I understand, the idea is to take that money and then go help the poor black children in Africa.

59:41 But of course we do that with our American companies. We're not going to give them the big giant check like, congratulations kids, here's your check, here's your money. No, no, no. You give it to American companies like Halliburton and Bechtel and you give it to all the big guys. This is what we do. We have war for the same reason. Okay, we go and shoot up Iraq. Why? Because we can go rebuild it. Yay, good work everybody. So here's where this guy screws up. And there's actually a historical precedent. We used to have a huge acid rain problem in this country. We created essentially a cap and trade system. Is that true? We had a cap and trade system for acid rain? Yeah. Where we capped the amount of sulfur dioxide being emitted from these smokestacks, brought that cap down over years, and allowed companies to sell their emission rights between each other. So a company that was really good at reducing their emissions could sell that remaining block to another company that needed more time.

1:00:34 It was one of the most successful programs in American history. It was put on the table and passed by a Republican president, the first George Bush, Bush Sr. And it solved the problem or it largely solved the problem at a cost far below what even the best estimates at the time were. So you're the expert here, John. How is this cap and trade not the same cap and trade that is being discussed where I believe all the money is and what this whole thing is about. Now there's evidence that the whole acid rain thing was a hoax. No, you don't say! It was everything 60 minutes reports and they would show they would show some old statue in Italy with it's just the face was dissolved like from acid rain and the buildings were all falling apart from acid rain. Wait I gotta find that statue in Italy face eaten off acid rain. I'm sure it's on Google. And so they put the cap and trade in all these stories and the success of the whole thing was to get this in place

1:01:39 and then became systemized. I think right now because there's such resistance, 8% is a lot of people that are, apparently if I'm categorizing it, to get the number up to 8% by putting me in the dismissive category instead of the, it indicates that they're freaked. Here's what the goal is. You get the cap and trade, you get the carbon tax, you get all that in, nothing really changes. And we point this out, we've pointed it out before and it should be pointed out the same thing with acid rain. Cap and trade is an insincere version of a solution because if you think there's a problem, you cap, you don't trade.

1:02:23 You just say, we got too much of this, too much of that, we can't do it anymore. You cap it. That's what air pollution laws did. No, you're getting fined if this comes out of that smokestack. You can't trade the pollution for some other place that's not polluting. The general pollution laws don't have cap and trade. Cap and trade doesn't change anything. It just creates a new system of passing money around. The idea, it seems to me, is to get a cap and trade in place and then you just stop talking about it and then 10 years down the road you say, man that cap and trade worked like a champ, the global warming is over. Yeah and okay and so I'll pile on with you and I'll say the reason why they need to do it now

1:03:06 is because we're going into a little mini ice age. We are going into a true global cooling and they need to do it now before... otherwise you can't do that. You can't claim victory in a couple of years. No, you have to get this done. Here's the true climate change right here. This thing is making climate change happen in Austin, Texas. I'll tell you that. This rain stick today, again 65 degrees, rain, fantastic. Awesome gonna be washed down the road. Are you on a hill? Are you high enough that the floods won't? Yeah, we're good Yeah, we're totally good. We're good here

1:03:43 So I think that there is a concerted effort to categorize all alternative media as crazy conspiracy theory, conspiracy industry. You guys are just like... The Alex Jones got a seed guy. You know, I listen to Alex... We get these letters. I listen to Alex Jones. You guys are like Alex Jones, aren't you? How come you don't mention Alex Jones? Why don't you play some Alex Jones clips? We're like playing an Alex Jones clip. And so it's like... But we also get letters that say, you know, I've listened to you guys and I listen to Alex Jones and I don't listen to Alex Jones anymore. Luckily we get more of those, I'll say. Luckily we get more of those. And the reason why we can have this conversation like this

1:04:27 And the reason why we're not profiled as morons is A. We're not morons. 2. This is... The Best Podcast in the Universe! And 3. We have our value for value model, which means people who like listening to our analysis, who do not want to be... who know that we're not compromised by disinfo campaign from big polluters, because if we were, I'd be rich! Think about it. Can we get- Oh yeah, no, we'd be rolling in dough. Then we are the perfect guys. You wouldn't be bitching about your used car. No. No, I would not. Did you see that tweet?

1:05:12 Which one? So, okay. So I finally got it together. Wait a minute, let me get this. Let's use that as the beginning of the show. Did you see that tweet? Did you see that tweet? Please! Okay, well here's what happened. So I, uh, I guess it didn't work last time, but finally I figured out I did the online thing to get rid of the Range Rover, which is, you know, the tires are now square. You know, it's under the oak tree, it's filled with goop. You know it won't start anymore, you know, it's got lemon. Cars don't take long to start to fall apart if you just leave them alone. Yeah, well I wrote lemon on the side as you suggested to see if Range Rover USA would do something. They didn't. Of course, they didn't see it because you get the thing under an oak tree. And so you complete the process and I did it with Make-A-Wish Foundation. Lemon.

1:06:04 What is your suggestion? No, it's a really good idea, but you're supposed to drive it around. Oh, well, so I did it. I donated it to the Make-A-Wish Foundation. I've worked with them before. I think they're a pretty good organization. You know me, I check all those forms and everything, so you have like total a-holes. And I've done stuff for, you know, it's like kids who are dying who have a wish. Come on. And so I complete the process and, you know, it's like one of those things where you click the last button and that actually sends out a tweet. Which I didn't really, you know, it's like okay, whatever. And so it sends out a tweet. I donated my car to Wheels for Wishes to help make a wish come true for a local child. I'm like, ugh, okay. But then I get this tweet from LoveLuckLiberty. You got your pathetic $1,500 deduction but loaded up more debt for the poor to make up for it. Clap, clap, clap. Like, what the hell is that?

1:07:03 That's hilarious. How in the world does my tax deduction of $1,500 load up more debt for the poor? You bastard! You a-hole! How does that work, John? Please, what did I not... what am I doing wrong? What did I not... What you're doing wrong is having assholes like that and paying attention to them. Wow! Yeah, so that really hurts. I'm like, oh, humanity is gone. It's just, this is not good, this human, it's over. Yeah, that's my big $1500 deduction, woo. Look out everybody, here I come. Yeah, the country's going down the tubes because of that. Yeah. Let's thank a few producers. Yes, we do. Oh, and I'd like to, I want to read a quick note from

1:07:53 Sir Dr. Sharky. Okay. And he says, I've listed my executive producer status on my LinkedIn page and he wants us to know he's gotten more messages asking about that credit than anything else. So this is good information. That's great information. Because we always tell people that these are real credits, you can put them on your IMDB, on your wiki page, you can put it on your business card, but put it on your LinkedIn profile and apparently you get a lot of heat for, a lot of action, and this guy is a successful doctor. Oh, okay. I think everyone out there who's got a LinkedIn account should do that. Yeah, it's a very good idea. And I think there's a way... Don't we have a no agenda LinkedIn thing so we can all LinkedIn to the... There is a link. There is a club, yeah. Yeah, okay. So LinkedIn to the club. I'm on, but I never look at it, so... Well, yeah, but you put it on your bio. That's where you put the credit. Yeah, exactly. Exactly. So we have a number of executive producers, one with an extremely long note, which I feel obliged to read. Oh, very good.

1:08:55 And this is Thomas Badrick in New Jersey who sent in 48350. And this note to me is highly entertaining. It's a little long, but here we go. Dear Jordan in Albania, I'm sorry to admit that it's been a while since I've dropped a donation. I was considering giving you guys a cut of my tax break this year, but PayPal doesn't take kindly to negative integers. Suffice it to say, I've been a bit reluctant, but after a short comment, I have a sense he talks like this. Suffice it to say, I've had a bit... I've been a bit reluctant, but after a short conversation in the barber's chair this morning, I was reminded that despite all the unconventional and sometimes off-kilter ideas that sometimes get fired around on the best podcasts in the universe, the news the general public swallows is batshit insane. In fact, I thought I'd share. Here's the Boston incident in a nutshell according to my barber. Okay, this will be good. Here we go.

1:09:48 The younger brother and the older brother, names not given, lived with their mother and grew up on welfare. They received free food, free education, and a free ride through college with straight A's because that's what affirmative action does. They were all illegal immigrants and had been on the terrorist watch list since birth. Yes, birth. Let's write that one down. After the bombing, which was likely some sort of depleted uranium dirty bomb, the police chased them through town, gunned down one and ran him over twice to make sure he was dead. Then the other brother killed two cops, stole a police car, then hid in a boat while he tried to build more bombs with the boat engine.

1:10:33 That tried to kill himself via bullet to the head, but he didn't know where his brain was So he shot himself in the throat and after some of the best health care in the world He's now in good health and boxing in an amateur circuit with the pseudonym cornflake Also, the mother does not wish to bury her dead son because the state won't cover the funeral expenses so she will probably donate his body to science and On the bright side of all this crazy, my haircut came out just fine. Yeah, I believe by the way that that sort of thing is exactly what I'm amazed that Thomas didn't send him send us like his entire life savings after that The most entertaining thing he's heard for this may be his life savings by the way, what am I saying? I'm sorry. Yeah, you need some karma if you would. Yeah. Thank you so much What a great note to you've got karma. He's actually kind of from my old stomping grounds there in Jersey makes sense Jersey guys. They got their heads on straight. Just got to remind him where it is from time to time. I

1:11:38 William Owen, Sir Doug in floating around the military. I'd like to thank you guys for the great shows. I have one complaint. My karma didn't work. It took an extra week getting back from Afghanistan, which I didn't get to spend with my wife as she used her leave days. Oh, crap. They saw this. They saw the computer and said, hey, look at this. Yeah. Hey, let's see. This Doug guy, this Doug, he's Sir William. He's going to meet up with his wife. You can see, look, look here on the computer. And what did they do then? You know what happens? You know what happens to them, man? You know what happens then? They do porn pop-ups. Oh yeah. It's like all kinds of porn advertising when they do that to you.

1:12:18 Which I didn't get to spend with my wife, she used her leave days. We had to stay in Manas, a military version of Purgatory. The only reason I can think of is that my name was incorrectly spelled as Onis, O-W-N-E-S. Did I do that? Oh, I'm sorry. I'm an a-hole. So perhaps it went to the wrong person. Yeah, probably. Coincidentally, this is what my wife sings instead of Mrs. Jones in Billy Paul's Me and Mrs. Jones. So I, sir, I don't understand the sentence, but I, sir, Doug, that once called upon, once called upon, once called a sand sailor, which apparently the Navy is a term in the Navy.

1:12:55 People called Navy guys request a human resource creation karma as well as the site unseen house buying karma May I ask time permitting will Griggs from freedom in our time? works on your same value for value Principle documenting the rising police state and need support check him out and support Griggs, okay I guess Our Time is a podcast. Okay, so I don't know. And then he's got some ring sizes. Alright, so first of all, first of all. I feel very bad about this, so I'm gonna give you both some extra karma that's coming and I will sing... Me and Mrs. Owens! Mrs. Owens, Mrs. Owens, Mrs. Owens! You've got karma. There you go. I'm so sorry. We'll do it properly this time in the end. But he already is a... He already is a knight. Yes, Sir Doug, of course he already is a knight. Alright, cool.

1:13:54 And now we've got, do we have his wife for the birthday? Double check, double check, double check. No. No. Jennifer. Let's see. No. Or do we? Where does it say that in there? I didn't see it. It says, please wish my wife, Ariel, a happy birthday. Oh, there it is at the end. Yeah. Okay. Well, she's on now. Well, she is now. Well, we caught it. Okay. Because we have... this is the first time that Jennifer is doing the... Jessie, Jennifer, Jessie. Jessie's doing the show notes. Well actually, JC is training her because he's going to be at some hack fest or something next week. I like Jessie already. A hackathon. I like had Jessie already. That's the future Mrs. Buzzkill Jr.

1:14:44 That's what everyone assumes. It's what they say. Right. Foolish kids. I like her already because she has a nicer font. Did you notice that? No. She's got a nicer font in the spreadsheet. Now we go to associate executive producers. We've got three, including Melody Mann, who is parts unknown. Alf Morgan. This is a call out for Jim Mann's birthday tomorrow. We'll probably celebrate with a lovely mac and cheese, but since we listen to the best podcast in the universe, we won't drink the Kool-Aid. Ha ha! Adam, could you please do your hilarious German accent? It cracks Jim up. Do it now or when I congratulate him? You'll just do it when you feel like it. Yeah. I'll do the German thing when I congratulate him. Okay.

1:15:37 Make a note note in German accent, okay? Steven van der have sir Steven to you and me in Belle Haven, North Carolina 28495 interesting numbers today I think we have a note from him, but y'all dig it. It was late. You're really you know today You're really crappy am I yeah? Why you're like in and out oh? Oh, you're talking about the connection? Yeah. No, no, no. I would never say that to you just like that, honey. I would never say that. You want me to reconnect? Yeah, I want it. Call me back. Call me back, will ya? Suck. Meanwhile, I'll look up Stephen van der Haaf's message, which I have right here.

1:16:27 I got Steven's note. In the morning, sending you some cash in lieu of blankets and water. Sorry for not donating as often, but with the tax increases since January 1st, over $100 of Vanna's from my paycheck and put it in the government coffers. Will strive to continue to just get by and whatever extra dollars I have on hand will be sent to you. And it looks like he will be a count today. Are you with me, John? Yeah, I mean, you know, I just witnessed what you're always talking about. Helium? No, no, no. The helium is some... that's an anomaly we haven't had for a while. No, where you started off sounding like you're an AM radio disc jockey. Which I am! And it ratcheted. It went up a little better, a little better, and now you're clear as a bell. Yeah, well, but I am an AM disc jockey. Yeah, well, that's the irony. Okay. Was Van Der Hoef the one who wants to be the count?

1:17:27 Yeah, he wants to be the Count de Monnet. Right. And as we all groaned at dinner last night, we said, well, it was bound to happen sooner or later. Sooner better than later. So he's going to be the Count de Monnet. Count de Monnet. Would someone in our chat room please just go in and just kick a whole bunch of a-holes out? Just kick them out. Just kick him out. Be more like Twit. Be more like Leo. Kick him out. Kick, kick, kick. John Hwee Foo from Singapore, 2-20-44. Thanks for the excellent show and he needs some karma. Yeah, absolutely. Coming your way. You've got karma. And that will be our executive and associate executive producers for show 509. Go to Dvorak.org slash NA. Chow.

1:18:28 Sorry. What? No, I said sorry. I have things to say. Sorry. ChannelDevArc.com's NOAgenda show has a button and so does NOAgendaNation.com. And we have been very light on Sundays and we'd appreciate anybody who helps us out in the next couple days. And a special thanks to all of our artists again coming in with fantastic art at noagendaartgenerator.com. Sir Paul Couture has been working diligently to get people cleared to post on the site. It's because of course, you know, it's one of those no agenda sites. So we'll know it gets hammered with spam. All of our sites, by the way, just get hammered. Just, you know, whether it's DDoS or China bots, I mean, we get hammered. It's part of being successful, I guess. So it's and of course, you know, you had the

1:19:15 emails don't show up but he's trying to do what he can special thanks to Melissa Schultz Jones for the artwork on episode 508 couple of PR mentions I have my new box did you get the box John I got the the no agenda CDs are out the new one no I haven't got that yet and I did I do want to mention that I don't know what the value is but I forgot to put the name down of the jerky company In Michigan that sent me some cheese and beef jerky. Oh, I didn't get any cheese. I guess it's for mac and cheese It had a mac and cheese style

1:19:53 So you can go to noagendacd.com and you can download the digital copies along with the artwork. Nice artwork by the way. As we requested, no date. Don't say like this is the March update or anything. It just says free, take one. It has mac and cheese on it, it has hookers with Bitcoin. and has, uh, what is that? Uh, bookers with Bitcoin. And take the red pill. Uh, noagendershow.com. Really good. Really appreciate that. Miss Mickey loves that. She, you know, she just takes a stack of them and is handing them out everywhere. She's, she has no shame. Like, I'm going to the dentist for my cleaning. I'm taking some CDs.

1:20:35 Awesome. And this weekend... Why should you have... there's nothing to be ashamed about handing out discs. No. In fact, you're giving people free stuff. You give them free stuff and they can listen to the disc and then they have a disc holder as a bonus. Or a coaster. Either way, it's great. Andrew Gardner, who is the NOAA Gender Racing team, will be racing this weekend. He'll be racing New Jersey Motorsports Park. If anyone's in the area, it'll be good to hear a few in the mornings while he's out on the track with the new faster bike He is extremely strapped for cash right now, but he loves some karma for a good race weekend. Of course, he's always propagating the formula. And it's best when he crashes because we're also on the bottom of the bike so you really see it then. So we don't want you to crash. We want him to win. Also when he does a wheelie is when you can see it really well. The wheelie works and also in a full turning mode where you're leaned way over and your knee is bouncing off the asphalt. Yeah, when you're rubbing the guard.

1:21:34 Alright, so please as John said Sundays are very slow for us, but we're still there. We're still working for you We're still the dissecting everything and and doing doing what you expect us to do here on the podcast Devorah org slash and a and of course we always have one thing everyone should go out and do and that is Formula is this we go out we hit people in the mouth Shut up, Steve. And I almost forgot to say in the morning to you, John C. Good morning. In the morning to you, Adam Curry. In the morning to all ships at sea, boots on the ground, feet in the water, subs in the air, and all the knights and dames out there. Yes, indeed. And I'm not saying in the morning to the chatroom, because it's douche day. They're acting like the douche. It's douche day in the chatroom, Mike. God knows. God knows what's going on.

1:22:31 Can we do a little break here and talk a little bit about the EU? Oh, please. We've got to deconstruct some stuff going on with the Boston bomb rush. Well, hold on a second. Or maybe we need to do this one. I'd forgotten about that one. That's a good one. Yeah, there you go. That's why the way before we go into anything. We have no advertisers I have a problem. I got it resolve it. Oh, can I help I have? You see there's a musical song on here the

1:23:15 This song here, Frankie Avalon's Dee Dee Dinah. Yes. And here's what's happened. But this started about two weeks ago. I'd either wake up in the morning or I'd start to hear this song in my head. Not like I'm hearing it. I just started. It's one of those things, you keep hearing the tune and you can't get out of your brain. Yes. And I thought that about, I don't know, five or six days ago. It disappeared. And then it came back again today. I don't know if they're beaming at me or what the deal is. It's not a big, you know, it's a song from the 50s and it's a stupid song. Wait a minute, wait a minute. So you're now going to do the courtesy of putting this stupid song in everyone else's head? Is that the idea? I just want to know if anyone else has, will ever, if this is some recurrent, I don't know why it even showed up in my brain. I do. You guessed it right, brother. That's right.

1:24:11 Oh my god, your brain is mush. This is what this is what you wake up singing in your head? Sorry Because you know so I think I mentioned this after sometime midway I know actually I remember exactly where it was we were in Moab in Utah on the on the last Hot Pockets tour this started happening to me I've never had this in my life where I couldn't get stuff out of it. And, uh, it's... What it started with was this. And you know, and I'm not quite sure why, but I'd be, you know, I'd be like getting the trailer unhitched or whatever, and I just couldn't like... It would... And I'd have to like stop and take a deep breath, or here's what I'd usually do if you have a song stuck in your head. And by the way, it happens every day to me now. Every day I wake up with a song in my head.

1:25:12 Every single day, but it's not this You want to hear the song that that I woke up with this morning, yeah, okay? Right on What's the matter y'all? That's what I woke up with. How can you even have that song in your head? Well, there's no hook. Well, the hook is cocaine running around my brain, but I had that in my head because of Boston.

1:25:51 I'm not getting that connection because I can't understand the lyrics of the song but that's just me. Okay so it's uh how do you spell New York Jim and the guy goes N-E-W-Y-O-R-K. He said no man no Jim I tell you how you spell New York man a knife a fork a bottle and a cork that's the way you spell New York right on. See that's Dillinger cocaine around my brain and the reason why is because we had this Danny, Danny the secret Chinaman who I think is the same guy who was Syrian as Danny, now being interviewed as the guy who the extremists carjacked. Did you see this? They've interviewed him now. Does that make any sense when he wanted to really pretty much remain anonymous and be called Danny? Well, they've interviewed... This is the new journalism. The way you do it is you get the silhouette and then you turn a vocoder on his voice. So now everything is like,

1:26:50 So this is the new journalism And he, and so, so the reason why this was stuck in my head, and here we can play it. You want to listen to a little bit of this interview with Danny? Yeah, play a little bit. This is CBS News, the Tiffany Network, who now gets someone, a silhouette who talks like this. And that is now your witness, because of course everyone knows you have to protect the guy who was carjacked. Why? Good evening. You're about to hear for the first time from a man who got caught up in the terror in Boston two weeks ago and helped bring it to an end. An immigrant from China, he was carjacked by the suspects, but he escaped and tipped off the police.

1:27:40 He worries even now for his safety, so we concealed his identity and altered his voice. Why is he afraid for his safety? This is what I don't understand. This sounds bogative. Why do you think he's afraid for his safety? I have no idea. I mean, I'm asking. I really don't understand. I don't know why he's afraid of his safety. I mean, people... It just makes zero sense. But... I mean, he's... Yeah, but he's gonna have to testify at a certain point. He's gonna have to say, yeah, they carjacked me. They took my car, my brand new 2013 Mercedes SUV. I have a technology company. I'm a China man. John Miller has the interview.

1:28:26 This 26 year old Chinese entrepreneur who calls himself Danny had just pulled over in his new Mercedes on this Boston Street to send a text message when a man I think the guy's Smuggling horse or something. He's not an entrepreneur. He's drug dealer Mercedes if I'm not mistaken so lock when you when you put it and drive and start driving Not the 2013 model, it doesn't. I bet you $10 it does. Dude, I bought Mickey a car from 2005 it has that. It's a Ford, please. I swear it's just a robbery, you know. A lobbily. So you can't jump in a Mercedes. No, it's bullcrap. You can't jump in the backseat of Mercedes. Are you already ruining the whole interview just because, you know, it can't happen that way?

1:29:14 took out his gun, pointed to me, said to me like, you know, I'm serious. Why does he have a German accent? What is the point? Let's listen to that again. Hold on a second. This Boston street to send a text message when a man jumped in. Wait a minute, wait a minute. He stopped. Let me check. The guy just jumped in, in the locked Mercedes. This Boston street to send a text message when a man jumped in. I thought it was just a robbery, you know. Lobberly. So, but he took out his gun, pointed to me, said to me like, you know, I'm serious. Don't be stupid. But Danny quickly realized this was more than just a robbery. He asked me a question like, do you know the Boston explosion on Monday? I said, yes. And then, you know, I get that and I just killed a policeman in Cambridge. The gunman was Tamerlan Sarnia. This is exactly the guy. He jumped into the locked Mercedes.

1:30:10 and said, hey, you know the Boston bombing? I did that and I killed some cops too. He and his younger brother, Joe Har, loaded their remaining bombs into Danny's car. The two men spoke to each other. Pop the trunk, will you, Danny? I gotta load some bombs in your car. So are they lugging these bombs around? And this is like the next night they've been lugging Yeah! In no agenda shopping bags I think. They had the... so they you know they had the... Bag 33 coming out soon. Yes, they had the four elbow pipe bombs and a pressure cooker. In Russian. Do you understand any of the words in their conversation? I only heard one word. It's a Manhattan. So this is why I woke up with it.

1:30:52 Because they're talking in Russian, this guy's Chinese, and apparently he heard them say Manhattan. Which of course, no one says Manhattan! The only- no one says- he says I'm going to New York City. You don't say I'm going to Manhattan. Nobody says Manhattan. Nope. Manhattanites don't say Manhattan. It's the city. So this is lies? Manhattan, yeah. Did it seem like they were going there? Yes, it seemed like they were going to New York. Because he asked me a lot of questions. In route to a gas station, Danny's phone rang. It was his roommate who wondered why he wasn't home. Tamerlan... Yeah, okay, his roommate. That's a gay Chinese entrepreneur now. Pulled the gun out. If you don't want me to pick up the phone, I want to pick it up. I want to say anything.

1:31:49 He told me that you have to answer his phone, but if you say any single word in Chinese, I will kill you right now. Sounds like a Chinese guy. He is Chinese. So when your roommate hears you speaking in English, does he answer in English? He answered in Chinese. Saying what? He was like... Why? Why are you speaking English? Are you okay? Why are you speaking English? You okay? Everything okay? Or do you have a gun to your head maybe? By Russians who are going to Manhattan I think maybe. You okay? Okay. And I just told him I'm gonna sleep over in some of my friend's place tonight. What happens then? So after I hung up the phone

1:32:32 Tamlin was very happy, I said, good job, good boy. Good job, good boy! So at some point, you start thinking, I need... And why does he call him Tamlin at that point? Why is he... doesn't he say the guy or the hijacker or the carjacker or the killer? He says, Tamlin was happy, he said, good job, good boy. That's weird. I get it. I was looking at my list of stuff and I was listening to that clip at the same time. Why did he call his roommate? No, his roommate called him because he was worried he wasn't home. Why didn't he just put it to voicemail? Because he said, you want me to answer the phone? The guy said, yeah, you answer the phone, but if you're talking Chinese, I'll blow your brains out. So I'm just going to force this. It doesn't sound right. John, it's the whole thing is bogus. It gets even worse. Exit strategy here. Yeah. I need to figure out a way, you know.

1:33:23 to save myself. I have a lot of things to do. I have to unlock the door, I have to unfasten my seatbelt. See, he's thinking next, but now of course the door is locked. He says, to get out I have to unlock the door, unfasten my seatbelt, because the doors lock automatically when you're driving. I have to pull the handle on the door. At the gas station, Johar left the car to pay. Tamerlan was fiddling with the GPS. I thought they shot up the gas station. Isn't that how they found him? He was like shooting up the gas station? No, no, I never heard that before. And he knew this might be his last chance. How do you do that in your head? Do you say, one, two, three? Ah! Do you say one, two, three, John? What do you think? Do you say one, two, three? No. What do you say? I would point at the other... I don't know how you get out of a car. You say one, two, three, you unlock car, pull handle, and fasten zipper.

1:32:32 Tamlin was very happy, I said, good job, good boy. Good job, good boy! So at some point, you start thinking, I need... And why does he call him Tamlin at that point? Why is he... doesn't he say the guy or the hijacker or the carjacker or the killer? He says, Tamlin was happy, he said, good job, good boy. That's weird. I get it. I was looking at my list of stuff and I was listening to that clip at the same time. Why did he call his roommate? No, his roommate called him because he was worried he wasn't home. Why didn't he just put it to voicemail? Because he said, you want me to answer the phone? The guy said, yeah, you answer the phone, but if you're talking Chinese, I'll blow your brains out. So I'm just going to force this. It doesn't sound right. John, it's the whole thing is bogus. It gets even worse. Exit strategy here. Yeah. I need to figure out a way, you know.

1:33:23 to save myself. I have a lot of things to do. I have to unlock the door, I have to unfasten my seatbelt. See, he's thinking next, but now of course the door is locked. He says, to get out I have to unlock the door, unfasten my seatbelt, because the doors lock automatically when you're driving. I have to pull the handle on the door. At the gas station, Johar left the car to pay. Tamerlan was fiddling with the GPS. I thought they shot up the gas station. Isn't that how they found him? He was like shooting up the gas station? No, no, I never heard that before. And he knew this might be his last chance. How do you do that in your head? Do you say, one, two, three? Ah! Do you say one, two, three, John? What do you think? Do you say one, two, three? No. What do you say? I would point at the other... I don't know how you get out of a car. You say one, two, three, you unlock car, pull handle, and fasten zipper.

1:34:20 First you have to unlock the car which is a little... I guess you let the other guy out so the car's unlocked. Give him the break on that. No, he said you have to unlock the car. It's bullcrap. You pull the handle it opens. I mean cars... No, no, that's not always true. In a Mercedes, you pull the handle the door is unlocked. He's driving. Oh no, I thought you were talking about while he's in the gas station. No, he's talking about he has to get out. No, the... The Tomilar, Jokar Tomilar, whatever, he's out of the- he went to pay. The other guy's still in the car. Yeah, but you said he's still driving, but he stopped at the gas station. Yes. Joker got out. At that point, he unlocked the door so Joker could get out. He just said, I'm thinking I have to unlock door, undo seatbelt, pull handle. It has to have been a- Pull handle! But listen, he doesn't count to three. Uh-uh.

1:35:17 Our Chinese friend is very smart. I was counting, I was counting, 1, 2, 3, 4. Ah, 1, 2, 3, 4. Okay. Strategy. This is the ancient art of Chinese strategy. I just do it. Do it. 1, 2, 3, 4. And I had fear. Tamerlan was trying to grab me. So you're going, he's reaching out. And now you're running. I was running, I was just going as fast as I could. He ran across the street and the guy didn't shoot him or anything. You know, he's shooting cops, he's blowing up people, but he didn't shoot him.

1:35:53 They were in the clock he ran across the street to this station and pleaded with the clerk to call 9-1-1 I Love that now they put that in this proof. You know like that happened, but they changed the story because closet yeah, no no hello Hello? Why are you buzzkilling everything? You're not allowed to do this. This is... You can't break the story like that. This is... This is the real guy, Donnie. That's his real name. And he count 1, 2, 3, 4. You hadn't escaped, called 911, and put police on the trail of these bombers.

1:36:41 that bad things would have happened. I mean you are a hero in this story. I don't think I'm a hero, you know, because what I was trying to do is just trying to save myself. Yeah, I did something, probably did something good. And I think the police, they are the hero. They exchange the gunfires with those bad guys. I think they are the heroes. Now listen to how this report ends up. It is... This is really... To me it was a big like wink wink, nudge nudge, this is all bullcrap guys. So Danny felt lucky to get out of this alive and in one piece.

1:37:21 His car, the 2013 Mercedes SUV was not so lucky Scott. Police used its GPS to track it to where they cornered them. In the shootout it sustained 32 bullet holes so the Daimler leasing company says a month and a half into the deal Danny's car is a total loss. And you know what? He's okay with that. Yeah. Really? He's okay with that. Some people will do anything to get out of a lease won't they? It's crazy. He's okay with that. They should have said 33 bullet holes though. That was a little disappointing. So there you go. That's the new journalism people is you get a guy and then you throw in some cop sounds. We got a guy at the mobile station. So what's your what's the what's the license plate on your car on your new car that when you just bought the license plate you want the real license plate just off the top of your head what is it? BYC 177 1703 I know it's like 7103 something like that.

1:38:24 Why? Because I'm wondering how they got- they knew where the GPS was on this car. They had full crap, they have no idea. They reverse tracked the GPS. Sure. Sure they did. Yeah. And the only reason I know the plates is because I had to put them on. They came in the mail yesterday. I can never remember my plates. No, it's 7301. Yeah, it's BYC 7301. Okay, you can come shoot me if you want. Go ahead. I'll be ready for you. Where's she going now? Well, it's Mickey's car. Where is she going now? What? Where is she going there? That's weird. He's going to some weird place. Why is he getting his nails done? He must be a faggot. Oh, wait a minute. It says here in the Intel sheet he's bicurious. Which, by the way,

1:39:14 I'm upset. How come the president doesn't come back and restart news conferences when I come out as bi-curious? No, no, no. When some basketball player has to say he's gay, then it's like a big deal? What is going on with the world? What kind of distraction is this? Am I missing something here? Who gives a crap? It's all a plot to get Obama to admit it. And to get Obama what? To admit he's gay. Listen to this. This is Spike Lee and Anderson Cooper. Our gay, known gay players play professional sports. And I think that what Jason Collins did is give them maybe the same courage for them to do the same thing. So I would say in the coming next few months, Jason Collins will not be the only one who will step forward and say how he's living.

1:40:03 The tide of history is moving forward. The tide of history is moving forward. So Collins he says, yeah I see a bunch of people, half the basketball, he's looking around, the way he says about half the basketball players are gay. So he comes down he says, I'm, that's all admitted. So he says, so I look around and no one's doing anything, so I say, I admit it. And so then he says, then he looks around again, and he says, nobody's still nobody wants to come out. That's funny. He felt like an idiot. You know he has a twin brother who was also a ball player. Yeah, I didn't know this. Jason has a brother Jaron who wasn't as successful. And I thought maybe it's like the ball, Jason played for the Celtics, but he's like a free agent. He's like, he's no one cares about him. He's not like a star player.

1:40:52 And who cares? Who cares? Why is this a big deal? Why do we all care all of a sudden? It's so courageous and the tide of history is moving forward. What? The tide of history. Yeah, Anderson Cooper who refused to come out. Took forever. And still kind of, you know, only because he was doing a talk show. They did that and then the talk show failed. He's probably regretting it. It's like, why do we... I don't understand why we care. Well, let's get back to the topic of Boston since we've got a few questions. You're right. I got a lot of Boston crap. Well, let me go. I wanted to do Europe, but we'll do Europe after Boston. You want to do Europe? We can do Europe. No, I don't want to. I want to stay on this thread. Okay. Because everyone's going to think... Here's the one that got me the most. The FBI, I was looking for the clip. I couldn't find it, but I'll... Maybe I have it.

1:41:39 No, it's the clip from a couple weeks ago that I had from the whistleblower whose first advice to anybody who's going to become a whistleblower is don't talk to the FBI. Yeah, right. Because they just set you up because it's easier on them to find. So they got the, because it looks good on their numbers, so they got these three, what some would aptly describe as knuckleheads. who ditched the bag. And here's the clip I have here, students and their visa moment clip. And this is the one I didn't realize, this is the only report I heard where they actually explained the visa violation, which was just bogus. Now this is the kids who have been arrested, these three additional? Yeah, the three kids that have been arrested were all students at Dartmouth and they had apparently friends with

1:42:26 the joker and they went to his place because he told him to go there and take whatever they wanted him which who knows that could have been code but we don't know. In some cases they grabbed his laptop and his backpack which had supposedly the backpack had a bunch of fireworks in it which I don't know who carries a backpack with that but anyway that's a story. In the moments after these hearings end Brian, let me just ask you quickly. I think it's just important as people are tuning in just to reset exactly how authorities were tipped off that these three, I don't want to say involved, but have information regarding after these bombs went off here on Boylston Street. We know they were taken in, they were questioned, there were some student visa issues and then now facing federal charges. Take me back to the very beginning, if you will.

1:43:17 Well, at the very beginning, Brooke, they were rounded up on April 19th, which was the day that Jihar Tsarnaev was captured. They were rounded up from their residence near the UMass Dartmouth campus in New Bedford. It was the two suspects, the first two suspects, the Kazakhstan students and another person were rounded up. They were brought in for questioning. They were then released that night because of a lack of evidence. They were then taken into custody again over that weekend, either on the 20th or the 21st. And the two Kazakhstan students, Dias Katurbayev and Azamat Taziakov, were were arrested and charged with visa violations. They allegedly violated their student visas by not going to class. Now they have been held since that time and they had an immigration hearing even this morning after which they were detained. So we have always gotten the impression since they were taken into custody on those charges, the visa immigration charges, that

1:44:15 The investigators at the very least wanted to know more from these people. And now we know from this criminal complaint that again accuses them of conspiring to obstruct justice and making false statements that the initial statements that they gave to investigators either on April 19th or over that subsequent weekend just did not sit well with investigators for some reason. You know, I now happen to know a lot about visas actually. And because you don't go to class, that's not a violation. If you drop... It's ridiculous, Dave. First they bring these guys in for questioning and then they get all freaked out and they don't go... then they don't go to class. That's the way I saw it. Yeah, but even that's not a violation of your student visa. Not going to class is not a violation. No, it sounds bogus to me. It sounds bogus. Yeah, it is. But they was an excuse to pick him up because that's what they're gonna do. And then they said for some reason, and when he said that, that's why I took this clip,

1:45:08 That's when the Aaron Burnett clip that you have comes into play. What was the some reason for some reason? Well, maybe it's because they had to retroactively tap their phones, which apparently is going on all the time. And Tim, is there any way? Now, obviously it was a voicemail. They could they could try to get the the phone companies to give that up at this point. But it was not a voicemail. It's just a conversation. There's no way they actually can find out what happened, right? Unless she tells him. No, there is a way. We certainly have ways in national security investigations to find out exactly what was said in that conversation. It's not necessarily something that the FBI is going to want to present in court, but it may help lead the investigation and or lead the questioning of her. So somewhere it's being digitized or they can actually get that. Because people were saying, look, that wouldn't be possible. It's pretty incredible what you're saying. No, welcome. Welcome to America. All of that stuff is being captured as we speak, whether we know it or like it or not.

1:46:06 Note to self, as Deb Farrick just said here. I had an idea. When I heard this, this is very interesting that Aaron Burnett doesn't realize that everything you do, all your conversations are all being drag netted and sucked up and all stored and can totally be retrieved. But I was thinking, if I was the US government, I would turn this into a benefit. Imagine, John. If you and I, instead of doing the show like this, we just have a phone conversation and then we call the FBI and say, okay, podcast it. And then it just sends it out. Everyone's phone rings and the podcast starts playing. You can make money that way. Of course people, but you get everyone wins. The phone companies win for air minutes, bandwidth. I mean, it's great. We don't have to do it. All we have to do is just talk. We can do it from anywhere we want.

1:47:00 You know, just jack it into my podcaster box there and you're good to go. No RSS problems, no internet crap, and people would pay for that. Build it into your monthly subscription. Hey, buy the new No Agenda iPhone. Comes with No Agenda built in. Come on, it's a great idea. So the guy is essentially saying for anyone who didn't quite get the clip, that they, and we know this, they have a facility over in San Francisco, they're essentially routing all the phone calls, cell phone calls and landline I assume. Skype, the Skype call. And the Skype calls. And they're routing them into a giant bucket. A bucket of calls, everybody's done.

1:47:45 I think that with me, that I, and I think it's probably coded, the files are coded in such a way that you, there's a number of, I'm guessing, I have no idea how to do it. I bet it's salted hash. So they have like your phone number, the first they find out what your number is and they want to get retrieve all your calls for the last let's say 30 days. Years, yeah. Well they could do it but they're gonna be selected because it's a reverse, it's essentially a reverse, I think they legally, yeah I think they're doing this, it's a reverse tap. So you're not, because nobody's listening to these calls. They're just being stored. And so now they think you've done something, I've done something, or these creeps have done something, or these knuckleheads, let's do it right, have done something. So they get an order from one of those secret courts that they have. Here's the number, we need the phone calls from these guys for the last three weeks, or two weeks, or the last week. And so they go into the database, they register,

1:48:46 Retroactively pulled as though you're now being tapped in in Like in the past, you know, I'm so high. I'm so proud to be working with such an engineering genius So they pull out the past three weeks of conversation from the... Okay, but you're missing it. That's not what they do. Then they're like, okay, what else is attached? Oh, look at this. He's got, he's like this show. Okay, let's go pull up the podcast. Oh, there's the Skype call. Oh, there's the emails. Oh, wait a minute. We can't get in because he's got his own server. Oh, crap. We can't get any Gmail. Oh, well, it doesn't matter. He's got a chat room. Ah, look at these assholes.

1:49:28 Let's pick up a couple of them. Yeah, well that's, no, oh there is that element which is not discussed, which is like let's just since we're just grabbing crap, yeah, the past we can listen to the old, you know, I mean that's why I still think, but John, but John, bring insider training, hello John, John, Aaron Burnett said something very astute which is Exactly the way the American people should be thinking about this and about cameras everywhere. Plus, surveillance cameras have provided key information during the investigation. Should we just give up our privacy in this country? Because after all, if you're not doing anything bad, why do you care if they're watching you? Exactly. What's your problem? You're not doing anything bad. Why do you care?

1:50:09 Well, she says when the toilet... Like I say, I did this on another show we talked about. Yeah, the Twitch show. Put him in the bathroom. I have said, if you're gonna do this cameras, because everyone on that show seems to be really hot on cameras everywhere. Yeah. So I'm saying, okay, then you put the cameras. You want more cameras. Oh, maybe we need more cameras. They had cameras on those. I want a camera that shows me Lisa bouncing up and down on Leo's belly. That's the camera I want. You have to have cameras everywhere. You have to put the cameras in the bathrooms. Yes. Because that's where most of the criminal activity takes place. Put cameras in the bathrooms, put cameras everywhere. That's right. And put a camera in your house. Yeah. I think there should be some people that are qualified. You look at their record or they're doing like a podcast.

1:50:56 and you don't like it, you don't like the podcast, they're not doing anything wrong, but you don't like the podcast because it says maybe call somebody a douchebag. Turn on his camera. Put a camera in their house. Turn it on. By law, you could actually, I bet you within the next decade there will be cameras put in houses by the courts in your house. But this is nothing new, you look at England, they put cameras in the trash bins, they put cameras in people's homes to see, Child Protective Services by the way are the ones that are going to do this, because you might be abusing your child, you know, by telling it to shut up and go take out the trash.

1:51:38 Yeah, say shut up and do your chores. You know, here's the thing about people that are you all can't we need more cameras? We have already too many and and you know, you could be followed around quite easily people always say well you're in the public here, you know, you're so what you're you could be seen by them Okay, let's put the cameras in the house And and use the argument I'm gonna use this argument. I'm gonna go with this one Aaron's argument. Look there's a camera in your house and But you're not doing anything wrong, so what difference does it make? Yeah, exactly. What's your problem? What's your problem? Are you plotting something? Are you making bombs in your house? What are you worried about? That's what this Google Glass is going to be great for. I think the government, just like in some countries, everyone got a gas mask. I think our government should do a deal with Google, another deal with Google, and give everyone Google Glass.

1:52:31 And just walk around all day long wearing your glass and just videotaping everything. This is great! And you can get the poor man's version which is essentially a GoPro strapped to your head with Velcro. Because that's really what it is. I mean, it's a GoPro for twice the money with half the resolution. Good job, Google. So I got, I got, nice work, boys. I have three clips from, from Aminamaminamapore. Uh, she brings in Eric Schmidt. Wait a minute, the Google guy? Play the clip, Emin Porosyan brings in Schmidt. As the Boston investigation deepens, an important question is raised. Is the Internet a terrorist's most dangerous weapon? Despite today's arrest, the brothers Sarnaev seem to have planned the attacks themselves without a support organization, although they are continuing investigations into actually whether there was one back in Russia.

1:53:26 The younger surviving brother has reportedly told authorities that he and his older brother use the internet to learn how to build a bomb. The internet is terrorist tool? Is it avoidable, policeable, preventable? I can think of no better person to ask than Eric Schmidt. You could have called Adam Curry, John C. Dvorak, lots of people, Molly Wood, lots of people. Chairman of Google, the Internet Titan, and forum for so much of our information sharing. Schmidt has just written a new book about the promises and the perils of this medium. It's called The New Digital Age, Reshaping the Future of Peoples, Nations, and Business. John, we have to write a book, okay? You and I have to write a book, and it's... Be a Terrorist Online! Now, with free self-radicalization DVD!

1:54:13 Jesus Christ, this is nuts. Okay, we got more of this. She brings in she brings in Schmidt and another guy who you're gonna love Oh wait, he's the ghost writer He's the other writer. Of course, cause Schmidt really hasn't got time to write But when you find out who he is you're gonna die play Amon Poir and Schmidt. Uh, is this two? That's the, yeah, two. He joins me now with Jared Cohen, who is his co-author and... And I looked this guy up. Who as a former State Department advisor on digital diplomacy is now what sounds like, also now you have a fascinating new title which is... Handler. Is director of Google Ideas. Gentlemen, thank you very much for joining me. I know... Stop this show! This is, this is a new level.

1:54:58 and if you donate ten thousand dollars to no agenda you become the no agenda director of ideas and you get to come to my house you are on book tour you've talked a lot about a lot of aspects of your book and it is all fascinating but in light of what's happened i really do need to ask you is there any way for something as powerful as youtube as this whole google empire to actually police what's going on You know, the day after the bombings, all we did was go online. Does she ever stop? Does she just ask one long question? She is a chatterbox. And she is... This interview, by the way, I only have this small clip. It was the worst. She is the worst interviewer. Is this book on Amazon? Amazon, Eric, Sean.

1:55:49 I gotta read this book. This is too funny Eric Schmidt. You know it's written by Cohen We know that so it's got some State Department bullcrap of course But what is the name of the book the new digital age is that what it's called. Yeah, that's it reshaping the future of people nations and business Did you look at the reviews yet? Were there all kinds of shill reviews in Oh first review? This is the most important and fascinating book yet written about how the digital age will affect our world. Wow, the shills are in, eh? You think that's a shill review? Yeah, I don't know man, I'm not sure. I'm not sure. Let me listen to the rest of it on Empore. We went to YouTube, we went to the Russian equivalent of Facebook, and we saw on YouTube a terrorist playlist. It said that. So in this particular case, we saw an almost perfect collaboration between the police and citizenry that ultimately found these two people and perhaps some others.

1:56:44 You had over and over again crowdsourcing people trying to figure out who these people were. You had a whole community on Reddit and others that eventually found the right people. And based on the story that you reported today, it looks to me like they got pretty spooked with that. When you've got a million people looking at you on a social network, you're going to be found. Oh, wait, I get, oh brother. Alright, and this and of course we had all this you know all of this great Crowdsourcing work, and we still have yet to see the video of them actually doing it when do you have that on YouTube? Do you have the video of them actually putting? Those Japanese guys who do the animations all right do you have another one because I got some Obama? This is the gym. This is kind of a meta gym. This is the one says Jared from state. Oh

1:57:33 a meta-gem yeah here's why you were we I fact that if I had just a little more time this morning I probably would have tried to dig up that clip with those that the idiot CTO you know these those two guys who talked about talking in cobalt and skip logic skip logic Vivek Kundra yeah Vivek Kundra well do you want me to find him real quick I can probably find him you can play that that would be a nice prelude because when you hear Jared Cohen you realize it's a style Because Cohen has this thing and you listen to it, and you it's like the same kind of total horse crap That that Vivek Kundra had with his talking in cobalt and skip logic Just give me one second to see if I can actually find it that would be would be kind of cool It was the I don't know if I can find it that quick this now we're talking about

1:58:29 How many years ago? Four? Four years ago, roughly? Yeah. It was during the first Obama term, so it was probably 2009. Yeah. Don't worry about it. Everyone has heard it. We'll play it again and see if we can find it. So here's Jared. who is sounds like Vivek Kundra just blabbing on about who knows what. You're in the State Department, you had to deal with this kind of stuff. Well, I think our conclusion about terrorism in the future is that future terrorists are going to have to opt into technology if they want to be relevant. So by them using social media, by them accessing the Internet with tremendous frequency, by putting their social networks online, the room for error goes up significantly.

1:59:14 any professional mistake, any social mistake, and they increase the likelihood that the whole plot comes unraveled. And then it becomes easy to get the SIM card and see who's working with them. It becomes easy to get, not if you're on Verizon it doesn't, because they don't have SIM cards, A-hole. Geez. Yeah, they gotta opt in. They gotta opt in. Why? Why do they have to be on the social networks to be relevant? What? Welcome to America like Aaron said no it was a guy. The dude said that. Wow. I'm a little miffed that I can't find the Vivek Kundra stuff because that's that stuff is pretty genius. So the president did a sticking with Boston the president came out and did a little ditty he said it was he did a press conference and this is an honor of the guy who's leaving

2:00:13 the White House Correspondents President. Which made no sense to me, but okay. And he just answered... They were only in there for one term. One year, yeah. Yeah, so what? So what would you do? You know it's dumb. So the president came out and he answered a whole bunch of questions. I thought his answer, this was not as rehearsed as usual. So there were some very... I just... maybe he's just feeling good. I mean, he doesn't give a crap, I guess. And words matter to me. So tell me what you think is weird about what he says here. ...the ability to detect a potential attack. And we won't know that until that review is completed. We won't know that until the investigation of the actual crime is fully completed, and that's still ongoing. Uh-huh. The crime is still ongoing. I mean, he did say that.

2:01:08 Yeah, play that again. The crime is still ongoing. The crime is not done yet. We won't know that until the investigation of the actual crime is fully completed and that's still ongoing. It's not completed yet. The crime is not completed yet, just so you know. I had a suspicion. Yes, now he is doing something that I feel is dangerous. He's taking a, there's a new word entering the lexicon. And the word is a new word for terrorist. As obviously we're proud of the people of Boston and all the first responders and the medical personnel that helped save lives. What we also know is that the Russian intelligence services had alerted US intelligence about the older brother as well as the mother indicating that they might be sympathizers to extremists.

2:02:06 The FBI investigated that older brother. It's not as if the FBI did nothing. They not only investigated the older brother, they interviewed the older brother. They concluded that there were no signs that he was engaging in extremist activity. Right, so it's happening now a lot. He's talking about extremist activity and they might be extreme extremists we're talking about extremism and This is a dangerous term that is entering our lexicon from the from the dictionary extremist one who advocates or resorts to measures beyond the norm especially in politics and

2:02:50 So that does not, a bomber maketh in my book. Extremism, an ideology or political act far outside the perceived political center of a society. But it doesn't, extremism is a new word. I mean you could say that we're extremists. That would put us in that category because of the way we answered the quiz at KQED. Now what's even crazier And by the way, it also puts everybody who's been marginalized in podcast radio into the same bag because they're trying to push the, they make a Jones the poster boy for extremists. Yeah, exactly. Extremists. So it's not no longer terrorists, but extremists. And what's very scary and I'm blown away that no one is, I mean, the president sat there, stood there and said this, that extremism is on the rise in America and it's our own fault.

2:03:42 Because of largely his current policies and he's saying it like it's just hey, this is what it is bitches But this is hard stuff and and I've said from for quite some time. He said it for quite some time now Okay, what he's about to say is it should not come as a surprise to you people that because of the pressure that we put on Al-Qaeda core. Al-Qaeda core. Because of the pressure that we put on these networks that are well financed and more sophisticated and can engage in and project transnational threats against the United States. One of the dangers that we now face are self radicalized individuals. What? Who are already here in the United States. Are you insane? Well then stop doing what you're doing. Immediately.

2:04:37 I'm sorry, but this blows me away, John. Because of our pressure on Al-Qaeda core, because of that, because we're bombing people in Yemen, Somalia, Afghanistan, Pakistan, Iraqistan, Pakistan, people are, extremists are self-radicalizing here in the United States. And he's been saying this for quite a while now. This is insane. This needs to stop immediately. We should have Prime Minister questions or Queen's throne talk or whatever. Whatever he wants to hear, this has to stop. In some cases may not be part of any kind of network. Not even part of a network, just people going like, I hate you.

2:05:29 because of whatever warped, twisted ideas they may have. Like conspiracy theories. May decide to carry out an attack. And those are in some ways more difficult to prevent. And so what I've... Oh, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa! I think we need to pour some money on the problem. Done for months now is to indicate to our entire counterterrorism team what more can we do on that threat that is looming on the horizon. Are there more things that we can do whether it's engaging in communities where there's a potential for self-radicalization of this sort? Is there work that can be done? I need t-shirts. I just want a t-shirt that says self-radicalized and proud of it. And then I want another t-shirt. I want a t-shirt for Miki that says I'm with self-radicalized and arrow.

2:06:26 And then on the back, extremist. This is nuts. This is completely, completely crazy. And what's going to happen, here's the prediction. Put this in your book. My friends, my dinner party friends will have me arrested. They love me, but they're gonna have me arrested. Oh, yeah. No, this is for your own good. It's clearly for my own good Because you know it's what oh I forgot to tell you at one point Mickey said, you know She's talking about the gun in her in her glove compartment She said now all I have to do is work on my anger management issues now what that was that was good line She was brave for saying it My wife she got a laugh

2:07:11 She did for me. I'm like, holy crap at a certain point both women said whatever Mickey's drinking We'd like some of that please cuz yeah, yeah, we do need to need to catch up Adams gonna read his email Adams gonna read his email Adams gonna read his email On the No Agenda Show This is a big hit, John. This email segment is a big, big hit. People really like it. It should be. So I thought we'd read just a few emails before we go thank some of our producers. And of course, there's always tons more to do. So we were talking about BuzzFeed. Adam, my brother, works for BuzzFeed. He writes about music and has done for many years now.

2:08:03 I won't mention his name because I'm not sure if that's appropriate in this case. But he said, I want to give you the inside scoop on BuzzFeed. We were trying to figure out what this thing is. BuzzFeed offers very high paying jobs with significantly above average benefits and a relaxed work environment. Remember this is the place that doesn't want to hire anyone who's a hater. No haters. They built their name by sniping writers from all over. My brother came from Rolling Stone along with a large contingent of their staff. Others came from Spin, New York Times, you name it. They offered more money and a better work environment in an effort to skim the top talent from the industry Whether or not it worked is another story that I don't want to get into since it's largely irrelevant Well, see I don't think it's irrelevant. I think that this is you know, if you look this is another Silicon Valley Venture-backed thing where they're all like, you know what? Let's start a newspaper and all we need is money and we can do great reporting and then pretty soon it turns into NASCAR and

2:09:02 It's like, oh, well, you know, we have no money coming in and we need some ads. And then before you know it, just you got Martha Stewart pretending that she's on match.com. Did you see this? Yeah, it's hilarious. I mean, it's like, oh yeah, that's right. Martha Stewart. It was not a payoff at all. She just decided all of a sudden that she wanted to be on. Yeah, with a pseudonym so you could get, you might get lucky or unlucky. Vic Thompson writes, Adam, lately you've been looking for a description for No Agenda. This is based upon our conversation about how we help people understand what it is. Sorry, but I can't help you with that and there is no way that I would help fund you even though I have been downloading No Agenda for about a year now. If you disappear tomorrow, I would not give a rat's ass. Why? Well, Adam, you're a pain to listen to.

2:09:53 Sure, the facts may be relevant and even accurate, but your over-laughing and random loud protestations make me cringe, and I wonder if this is a compensation for something smaller. The very poor conversion of some words. Small dick Adam. E.g. Shittisons do not support the extremely intelligent examinations of which you are obviously capable, so I mainly use No Agenda for sleep assistance. In all, you seem to be relatively well supported, so you don't need me anyway. So why do I bother at all? Because you have some content of interest, and it's long enough that I can usually drop off to sleep at some point.

2:10:34 Thank you. Yeah, I'll give that guy a douchebag And this one I really this one is very nice this is from Blair Slavin Los Angeles, California came in this morning dear Adam I have found the perfect show for you to listen to and learn how to properly utilize a soundboard I'm like wow wow you know it's I've been in radio for a Ever. 30, 35 years, whatever. And the soundboard is, you know, the thing that we have all of these jingles lined up for. Says, please listen to this. This show enhances, oh, this show enhances and makes the show fun instead of annoying and tired like some lowbrow Morning Zoo style. Which is what we do. So I'm like, you know, I'm always willing to learn.

2:11:25 Right? I mean, I'm not... Oh, you are... that's your hallmark. I'm not above saying, okay, that's my hallmark. Yes, I want self-radicalized and willing to learn on my t-shirt. So I'm like, why don't I go listen to this show? And see, because this guy clearly has some tips. Would you like to hear the show that was pointed out as the perfect way to do it? To do a soundboard, yeah. Coming up on a spatially inconsistent episode of the Morning Stream. Movies with twin plots are weird. Free comic book day just got a whole lot more free-ish. The Webbys! Seems like it's enough for us anymore. Women... It's so sad the way you said it. Women are the ones that need to stop smoking.

2:12:05 Bad advice from the famous! Hero movies are gonna burst their bubble. Recommentals. Tom's Tech Time. More Kate Upton thoughts. Thank goodness, Glenn Beck's sight made some sense today. And more on this episode of The Morning Stream. Pick out any three people. Take three glasses. And you're just about ready for this one. Pepsi-Cola half quarts. This is not edited, this is the actual show. Pepsi value that pours three big servings. Now wait for it. For three big thirsts. You see where so-called king-size colas run dry? Just about here. Pepsi half-pours keep right on pouring.

2:12:55 The Morning Stream! Into daring rescue action! Good morning everybody, good morning. Boy, it'll teach me to dance. Wow, John, do you know how to do it now? Is it just that over-modulated? Yeah, oh, the show's over-modulated and he's like yelling over, the Morning Stream! And that's how I should be doing it. Okay, Blair, Blair Schlaven. Hit yourself in the face right now. Hard thank you. It's unbelievable people send me this So you should use the sound and Yeah, that's how you should do it now. We're busy guys. We're recording I mean I I usually have about a hundred clips for each show we only use maybe 10 15 But you never know so I'm recording. I've got stuff. I'm reading stuff. I'm looking at legislation I'm marking up PDFs and you're taking

2:14:00 My time I'm willing to learn and you're sending this to me like I have to watch this Was it was it a video podcast? No, my god. No, it's a great the morning stream morning stream Which is a pea plan on taking him. Yeah, which I think is awesome. So hilarious. So awesome G. That's your show should never be a Kind of a pun that is lewd. No, it's just not not good. It's this bit bad form. I Here's another bit. Here's a, uh, just as an aside. Oh, never mind. I'll do this later. Let's get, uh... What? Let's take a break. I'm gonna show my support by donating to No Agenda. Imagine all the people who could do that. Oh yeah, that'd be fab. On No Agenda!

2:14:53 Welcome to the morning stream. That's right. Oh, it's blowing here in the studio. And I've got a sidekick here who will just talk about me whenever I want to say something. He'll go, yeah, that's all right. The morning stream. So they'll clip that and put it on their show and show you how to use a soundboard. Kyle Kiz Kidnzill in Green Bay, Wisconsin, home of the Packers, came in with $191.87. He'd have a note. It says, for me, no agenda is confirmation. There are other people out there who don't believe all the information fed to us by the government and the mass media and relief.

2:15:30 and relief that you have backed up deconstructions with logical reasonable analysis and not just talking points that get shouted out while people are trying to sell seeds or gold. However, we do not know how to use a soundboard. Idiots. Thank you for making me feel like... I think the way you take personal offense When you use the soundboard it's amazing, you're actually quite good with it. You're like one of the best soundboard guys ever. It's just, when someone does that it's just... You could probably run a cart machine. Aha! Stop now before I kill again. John White in Jackson, Tennessee $189.95. He just tells us to his excellent Boston bombing coverage. I'm hitting many people in the mouth as possible, please. He needs an in the morning karma if you... Absolutely. You've got karma. Kathy Beauchamp. Step on the karma? Step on the karma. Kathy Beauchamp or Beauchamp. Beauchamp. Beauchamp.

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2:17:31 Leon he sent me a note. I'm baron Sam baron Sam baron Sam. He's a baron Yeah, he sent us eighty three dollars and fifty cents with his pronunciation was neighbors Leon Leon Leon Leon, but I pronounce it Leo. Yeah, but that's wrong. He's a baron. It's wrong and he says it's hilarious You know whenever whenever you say something loud whenever you modulate loud the Skype cuts out so you just pipe down just pipe down and How do I sound now? Charles C. Walters in Schaumburg, Illinois, 6969. Andrew Cox in Lincoln, Nebraska, 6616. A spare tax return money because of John's Mayday newsletter. He says the newsletters work. Yeah, excellent. Well, thank goodness. Something's gotta work. Allen Chung in Bellevue, Washington.

2:18:24 Uh, 6660, that's original home base. Hey, wait a minute. I'm sorry, John. Whoa. Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. We skipped over the extremely obvious that there was only one, one... 69! 69, dudes! Which was Charles Walters. That was the only one. I don't think so. I'm looking at the spreadsheet right now. Yeah, I'm gonna have to talk to the spreadsheet people about this because I recall these three coming in they will be Mentioned anyone who sent in 69 69 will get their comeuppance comeuppance You're gonna get emails about that John can't speak right I Can't use a soundboard

2:19:12 That's not right. Are you on the 56k modem today? Is that what you're dialing in with? Is it coming in bad? Andrew Cox, Lincoln, Nebraska 6616, Andrew Chung, Bellevue, Washington, 60s. Are we going on? I'm sure Michael Miller and Tiburon 6616. What is this 6616? I don't know. Oh, I know what happened. Wow. It's a miracle the 6969 stayed in. Why? With our, with the, as JC's training, these are the nets. She deducted the, she deducted the PayPal. This is what we actually get. So you think you're giving us... The Walters one came in as a check.

2:19:51 Oh wow. So these are all 66, 69, 69. Oh thank goodness. In other words, Cox, Chong and Miller. That's why the numbers were so weird. I'm like, these are really weird numbers. What are people, are people on drugs? Like I know, I'm gonna send 65, 46. What, what, what, what? I know, I know, I'm gonna send 56, 95. I'm gonna send 47, 40. So wait a minute, so on a $50, Uh, donation. We get $47.45? Welcome to life. Holy crap, that's not- that's not okay. I always thought you were- I always- I always thought you were just shortchanging me. I'm like, you know, well, it doesn't seem like the right amount, but I like him, and I might, you know- It's okay if he's skimming, he's got kids in college and stuff, whatever. Not skimming.

2:20:46 Hit the 69 jingle okay, well thank these guys. Oh wow this is a good work. Yeah buzzkill jr. 69 69 So we want to thank Walters, Cox, Chung and Miller. They're all in the 6969 club and hit it again. 6969 dudes! Now everybody gets to hear what we actually get from them when they use PayPal instead of using your bank to do time payment which is the real great way to do it. which is what Charles Walters does. That came through one of the time payment system. He pays 69.69 every so often. I don't know what the frequency is. Kenneth. Ryan Jones, Capital of June, North Carolina, 58.85. Amir Makar in Mountainville, Pennsylvania, 56.95. Eric Ojebo, Oyebo, I'm guessing, in some place I've never heard of. Gitmo Nation Smorgasbord, so that must be Norway or Sweden.

2:21:49 Or Raybo? I don't know. That's one of the two. It's up there. Scandinavian, Nordic. 53, 32. It's cold. It's cold. It's cold. It's cold. Dodge, Gaskill in Pensacola, Florida. 52, 72. Daniel, Kelvin, Mackinac Island. 52, 72. That's probably double nickels on the dime. Could be. 52, 29 might be too. You know what? This is a disaster. This could screw up the karmic universe and who would all these new numbers I mean you know this could this could change things. None of these numbers have ever been heard on this show. We and we are putting them out there that who knows what this could really and by the way not necessarily bad this could change things in in ways we can't even imagine. Well so the $50 donors include a hollow Walker and

2:22:37 Spring Texas which comes in at 47 45 Mike Mataloni in Chicago Greg Brunsell in Kenosha and Adam Mori in Middletown, Maryland and then we have The next one I think is probably $49 and so is... Yeah, don't do it just in case because we don't want to... Yeah, we can always give her a shout out later. So those are our donors for today's show 509 and then you understand the net. If you can help us for the Sunday show... And what did PayPal really... ...go back to the old methodology? Hold on, what did PayPal really do to take all those dollars from us? Nothing. They did the... yeah, they did well... Shuffled some bits around.

2:23:19 Yeah, they did a machine thing, a thing came in and then they took the money from a credit card or something and then they passed it to a banking system and then they gave us what was left over. That's what they do. Wow, wow. And well, okay. Bitcoin's not good. Well, it's not 10% at least. I'm glad we didn't do Bitcoin because if you had sent us Bitcoin on Monday, we would have lost like 30%. people don't seem to understand that they still say, hey man why'd you take bitcoin? because I need to eat. Why don't we just put our money in the sports book in Vegas? Speaking of which I got an email about that. I guess here the what's coming up one of our Jennifer one of our dames, I don't know if she's a dame, hi John and Adam I'll be attending the Kentucky Oaks and Derby this weekend as a 40th damehood instead of

2:24:14 Instead, as it would have saved a bunch of money, I'm less than $200 away on my 40th birthday gift from my husband. I'm sorry. Too bad he didn't finish off my day. That's what she's saying. Because I'm only $200 away. Anyway, I'm writing to see if you have any ideas on which horses might be profitable this weekend. And of course, I will share any earned wealth with the best podcast in the universe. Since your theory is that all major sporting events are fixed, I wondered if you had any thoughts on the Derby. Now she brought this up in her email, which I like the idea. She said, last night 60 Minutes profiled a female jockey who will be running Saturday. So of course she's high on my list. And I thought that might be a pretty good bet, you know, considering the war on men, since we're all horrible and, you know, and...

2:25:01 I would say there's no chance in hell she's gonna win. Okay. But she could come in third because you want to have at least, you know, some profile. Can you still make money on a third place? Yeah, win place and show. There's three bets you can make. You can make a bet on all three or one. Okay. And as a show, win place and show, as a show bet, it's a possibility. I'm guessing she comes in fifth. But, you know, I have got a horse track across from where I live. I can see the track from here. And I have, and they have, you know, a betting in there that you can bet on this. I can go over there and bet on the Kentucky Derby. And so I have been, I started doing this, I don't know, maybe, I used to go to the track, I just gave up on it. But I've gone and tried to beat the Derby because they, the one thing to look for is the following.

2:25:51 You have a big winner of a horse that's gonna just sweep, it looks like you're gonna get a triple crown. And then some horse from the Middle East. Comes in for one of the second either the second the Preakness or the Belmont comes in out of the blue and is entered It's got good times and everything that is the horse to bet on Because it's a sleeper, and they do that I've seen this happen numerous times chills But then the one where I gave up on it was there was a horse It was obviously a triple crown winner was a number couple years ago. It was gonna. Just win everything and So I said, okay, I'll go down and put a hundred bucks on this thing. So I went, I think it was either the Belmont or the Preakness. I'm not sure which of the two races, but if people will remember this, if you, if you remember this horse, it was Ruby Rubico or Rubion or something like that. Rubicon? It wasn't Rubicon. It might've been. But anyway, so I go down there and I bet on the horse and I watched the race and it goes like this. This horse was a favorite to kick. You know, it was an easy bet to win. You're not going to make that. We make 140 bucks.

2:26:55 And so the horses are in the gate. His gate opens by itself out of the blue. Oops. How does that happen? The horse runs for it and then they have to stop the horse. The horse comes up lame. Yeah, of course. The horse finally broke in with a broken leg and they had to shoot it. Shoot it on the track. I mean, this was like, okay, I am not betting. These races are fixed. But we're not in on the fix, and it's not predictable, so we can't help you with this race. That's a long story short. Okay, so in other words, third in show on the Chick Jockey. That's about the best we can do. As a long shot. As a long shot. Okay. Thank you all very much for your support of the Best Podcasting Universe. You can see how we get raped by PayPal. Those guys, by the way, Elon Musk and everyone, they're all flying jets.

2:27:50 Thanks guys! Yeah, I'd take $2.10 or maybe every one of our listeners. But here's the good news. No one can ever accuse us of taking money from guys who are part of Conspiracy Inc. We're not selling you seeds, we're not selling you gold or water filters or anything. All we're asking for is that you support the program if you like what we're doing and so far in our sixth year seems to be okay. Yeah, and so you should remember that we are in competition not with the seed sellers but we're in competition with the movie industry. You spend so much money to go to a film, think about was this a movie you could have better watched at home and give us the 50 bucks that you spent going to the theater with one member of the family and

2:28:38 box of $10 covered with some weird grease that'll make you sick as a dog. Goop. Or the multitude of you who sent me the link to the Sirius documentary which caught which a lot of you spent $9.99 on so let's just call it 10 bucks. Are you insane? Did you see this movie John? This is like they found a little six-inch high alien. I mean I know this movie it's called it's called Alien Autopsy. I know the guy who did that too, Ray Santelli. I hung out with him a bit in England. This is a scam. Have you seen this movie, John? Have you not received an email like, you gotta see this documentary, it's cool. They're withholding power from us. Yeah, I know that. I know they're holding energy sources, but then you bring in the six-inch high alien.

2:29:33 I'll do the birthdays, John, you take a look at Sirius documentary. Please take a look at the pictures of the six inch tall alien that they're taking DNA from. Please, please. Because even I mean, I got a problem with moon landings, but I don't have a problem calling this bull crap out. Anyway, the point is you could have spent that money perhaps a little wiser and Probably gotten more truth out of the deal. And Sir Doug says happy birthday to Ariel. Glad we got that one. And Melody Man says happy birthday to Jim Mann celebrating tomorrow. Yes, he wanted a German accent.

2:30:26 And we have our title that we're going to be putting in the credits as well, Sir Stephen van der Haaf now becomes Count de Monnaie. Count de Monnaie. Very nice and no nightings, of course nothing else happening today since we didn't do all that well but we appreciate what we got and remember to put your Executive producer or associate executive producer credit right up there on your LinkedIn page. That seems to work really well Did you see it

2:31:23 Did you see the alien? Yeah, it's bullcrap. Who cares? I can't believe that. And people are like, hey man, I'll get it for free. For free? You don't have to pay for this. I got a ripped version. I say, I'm not... I have no time. I have no time to spend on this. I mean, I'm the first guy who would be like, yeah, well, you know, we gotta make sure we... But this, no! I'll be meeting with him next week. I got a couple of clips from the EU thing I want to do. Hold on a second. Hold on a second. EU thing. Oh yeah, yeah. Gives me a chance to do this. So I found, I got the clip from VanCat, the French outlet.

2:32:09 which is essentially the first indications of the European Civil War. Oh, finally. Finally, it's about time. And it's all kind of, this is actually a long boring report that you have to read, listen to the subtext and you realize, and this was a little thing that took place I think about a week ago, when they were exchanging nasty Twitters between Germany and France, which is going to be where they started the Civil War. Those two again, it's always the same. These idiots. This is the furthest it's gotten. This is the point we're going to mark it in the book. This is when the war began. Throwing tensions between France and Germany, the two allies and strongmen of Europe are exchanging harsh words. Did you record this off your telescreen? Was this the George Orwell news? This is great.

2:33:00 This came from a feed that's on the internet and it just has the sound sucked. Sounds, oh I love it, no it sounds really authoritarian like oh. Well, it still sucks. At least in the press. It all started with an interview published last week where a Francis Parliament speaker advocated a more head-on approach with Berlin. Oliver Ferry reports. Well, French President Francois Hollande called it friendly tension with Germany. The vocabulary used in a draft document from his socialist party was far from amicable, calling German Chancellor Angela Merkel selfish and obsessed with Germany's economy and her own political career.

2:33:39 French Speaker of the National Assembly Claude Barthelon even raised a prospect of a confrontation with Merkel to better put things into perspective. Now the Elysée is trying to put out the flames before they spread. Prime Minister Jean-Marc Ayrault took to Twitter, in German no less, saying that Europe's problems will not be solved without an intense and sincere dialogue between Paris and Berlin. And other high-ranking French ministers now are also criticizing the criticism of Merkel. The debate, yes, there are questions that need to be asked that need to be put to Germany, but belligerence, no. And that's what you're alluding to. It's inappropriate to criticize individual leaders like this. Merlin has also tried to play down tension, saying it is not the words of parties that count, but rather the actions of governments, though not all share the sentiment.

2:34:29 It's insolence from the French socialists. Germany cannot be held responsible for the state of the French economy. I'm angry that our closest ally would criticize us like this. And while Bartholome may be sending a message counter to the Elysée, it does position him well should Hollande choose to change direction and look for a new prime minister. A move that the French opposition would surely welcome since it would underline a severely divided Socialist Party. And it was very obvious that the third world war started on May the 2nd of 2013 when the German Chancellor said in a tweet saying, fuck you, you frog, bitch, I'm gonna fuck your whole economy down. Something like that. So a follow up, yeah, it is a funny sound. The follow up is, this was a compilation of Nigel Farage's comments at the Sovereign Man Conference. Oh boy.

2:35:38 Which was done by these guys who want people to buy their books about how you can get a second passport and stuff like that. There's a couple of cuts in here that I think are awkward, but generally speaking it's a good Farage rant, including some inside information that we have not heard yet. My fear is that in the end what will break up the Euro isn't the economics of it, it will be wholesale, violent, possibly even revolution that we see in the Mediterranean. And what I hate about this is that it's all so unnecessary. Five countries, five of the 17 have now been bailed out and you heard it here first, the next is Slovenia. Slovenia will be bailed out within the next two to three months, okay? You heard it here first. And given that the French of course now have a new president, who I think actually in the modern day pantheon of idiots that are running countries around the world,

2:36:37 I think Monsieur Hollande is absolutely the number one. His third act was to introduce a hate tax of 75% for any successful entrepreneur and with the last one, please leave the country immediately. This has become a religion. the idea that we must abolish the individual nation states and you know they've got a new flag, they've even got an anthem. You know they've taken part of Beethoven's 5th and it's the anthem and every two months in the European Parliament they raise the flag and they play the anthem. Do you think I stand to attention? Do I, hell! But they've sunk to this level because Merkel is terrified because she has an election coming up in September. So she has to show the German people she's tough and stealing money is her means of doing so. And I repeat the advice I gave this morning. If you have investments, if you have money,

2:37:34 based with eurozone banks, then my advice to you is get your money out of those banks in those jurisdictions as quickly as you can because next when the next phase of this disaster comes they will come for you. So that could be the Netherlands by the way. For what? Next bailout? Oh yeah. Yeah. Well he says it's gonna be Slovenia. That wasn't even on our radar. What was this thing about Beethoven? Is that the the European Apparently it is stolen from Beethoven. That's interesting. Do you have the national anthem there? Of course, I have it every morning. It's Ode to Joy. I guess, I don't know. Yeah, I'm looking at the Book of Knowledge here. Oh, it says it. Ode to Joy is the anthem of the European Union and the Council of Europe, Starfleet Command. Both of which refer to it as the European anthem.

2:38:37 What a rip they stole it and they renamed it yeah, oh, yeah, it's a good. It's a good tune Maybe we should rap to it Well maybe not so there's a couple things in there that also should be pointed out because I went to the I was in San Francisco yesterday for an event and then I stopped at one of the wine stores I frequent. What was the event? Can you tell us? Yeah, the Lexus rollout of the new IS. So you're scamming cars again? Not scamming anything. I'm reporting. I'm a reporter on this. Did you have your little portable recorder, your podcast? You go like, hi, I do a podcast. Can I sit in the car?

2:39:31 No, but I did, here's a little, this is an aside, but let me make sure that I get back to this point. So I'm talking with, there's a lot of writers there and this guy from Glam. And he's a really nice guy, I liked him. But he had a, we were talking about splits with a lot of these publications nowadays. They find a bunch of bloggers, they put them online. Forbes is doing this. Forbes is doing it, ZDNet's doing it, they're all doing it. So they put a bunch of bloggers online and then they do a revenue split if the blogger attracts enough attention that they actually get revenue. Oh, well, so this of course means you make up all kinds of bull crap.

2:40:16 Oh yeah, a lot of these blogs are garbage. So anyway, so the thing is, and Forbes has got plenty of them, but anyway, the thing is that he says there's been kind of a problem because there's been a huge fall off in advertising revenue as people are shifting back to television, these big advertisers. Really? And he told me that Federated Media laid off 90 people. That's a bad sign. He says, because I said, well I expect this is a cyclical thing and this advertising thing is going to cave and it's going to take Google with it, it's going to take Yahoo with it, it's going to really make a mess. Well, okay, okay, so this is really important. I think you and I have discussed on this show multiple times that the whole internet advertising thing is a scam.

2:41:03 It's a big scam. This is- it's bots, it's botnets, it's uh- it's entire um, aircraft hangars full of Indians. clicking on stuff, looking at scripts, Pakistanis... Pakistan has a group of these and the Philippines has a big crowd in the states. Philippines is huge. This is internet advertising, of course somewhere, and I think search advertising, we know that's a scam, duh. But this click thing, this banners, it's scams, it's a huge scam. At the end of the month when it's time for the board meeting, you go and spend $10,000 and you'll make $13,000.

2:41:42 And there's 3,000 in the middle. It's called arbitrage, which is the word you don't believe exists. But this is what the internet has become. And I'm glad. I'm glad this is falling apart. It needs to fall apart so we can have less crap. Yeah, well he says that he's noticing it. When he told me about the Federated Media layoff, that's where he worked before. He was one of the guys laid off and he went to work as a writer over at Glam. So I thought that was very interesting. Is this something recent, these layoffs? Apparently. Let's see. What's going on in the Federated Media? The way he says it, this is a building phenomenon. And he's noticing it and he's apparently watching it.

2:42:26 I'm not, I'm seeing November. I'm not seeing... Last year? Yeah, I'm not seeing... That would probably be it. November. So what's going on at Federated Media? Shutters, standard direct sales business, announces layoffs. This is, when was this? Oh, that's 2009. No, no, no. No, no. Something more recent. I'm seeing, I'm seeing November 23rd, 2012. Why Federated Media has to reinvent online. Blah, blah, blah. Yeah, they probably keep it quiet. You know, they probably, they have this. Well, who's reports this crap? I mean when the internet goes down in the whole state nobody even writes about it. Well, they're offline. The Royal Canadian Mint has been pushing forward... I'm sorry, do you want to finish up your thing about Europe? Yeah, I want to finish what I was saying. I can put a little arrow. So I'm at the wine store.

2:43:18 and the guy, we're talking about some winemaker that's in Bordeaux and I said, you know this guy, he wants to get a better vapilation and we're just gossiping about the guy and he said, well you know this guy needs to move here. And the one guy who knows him well, he says, yeah, that's what he's thinking. I said, what do you mean? He said, he's thinking of moving here because of the taxes. In France, there's 75% on his winery. He says, you can't make any money. He says, what are they, crazy? So there is a tax of 75% on small businesses and I guess some wineries. It's crazy! You know, in 1972 when we moved to the Netherlands, income tax was 72 or 73% and the slaves loved it.

2:44:10 Now at the time of course you had government television, government radio, and you had government health care. I mean really paid for by everybody and if you broke a toenail it's like, oh stay home don't worry about it, it's okay, we'll take care of you, here's some money, here's a check. And of course everyone just massively was taking advantage of the system. Neighbors hating each other like he's staying home. He's getting paid stay home. I don't believe he has a her His back really hurts. It's a horrible system. It's a bad bad system. I've lived in it It doesn't work and this is the socialist French. Yeah, so the French are just gonna get all pissed off They're already pissed off because the whole country is has been hijacked with a Muslim invasion

2:44:56 They're very angry about this. It's it's you know, but they don't really they just you know, they drink a little more But they are angry and it's brewing inside and when you get the French angry, huh? Be careful. They tend to chop heads off these guys The French are nasty. I mean, people always like to ridicule them for not being fighters because of what happened in World War II. No, no, no. But the French personality is just the opposite. You know, they are... In fact, you find this with the French Canadians. No, how about... Those little French Canadian guys, that's where all the boxers from Canada always come from. tough and mean. So Sebastian at the market, so he lost his kitchen license which you know we don't know why but so he can't make his murgache and he can't make his duck confit so he's just selling the raw you know the animals and I'm not interested in a duck you know I want his duck confit I want his sausage I want his murgache and you know I'll even take some of his

2:45:52 What do you call the stuff that's illegal now in California? The goose foie gras. But he's not allowed to do that anymore, because I'm sure because he's an arrogant French prick and he got someone pissed someone off and I said well screw you with your license. And so I haven't been shopping because I don't want his stuff. And I went up to him the other day and said, you lose points you know? You lose points you know? You don't come here no more. You lose points with me. What are you talking about? You don't buy from me no more. I want your stuff. I have my license soon. You lose points with me. This is the French. And by the way, how many French fuckers donate to the show? None. Exactly. Zero.

2:46:43 No, they're socialists, but they're mean. The French are mean underneath it all. I love going to France and I know how to deal with the French so I don't worry about the meanness, but underneath the French there's a mean streak. When they get worked up, they're the ones when they have strikes constantly. And they're the guys who pulled over, there used to be a big wine thing going on in the south. They pull over a truck filled with Algerian wine, and they turn the truck over, dump the wine down the sewer, and beat the crap out of the truck driver. Yeah. I mean, but let's be honest. They still insist on speaking French. Come on, get with it. Modernize people. Modernize already. Okay, I need to do two things. Are you done with Europe? Pretty much. I like that though. Put it in May 2nd, 2013, start of the European war.

2:47:39 And of course the beginning of the war with Eurasia and Oceania against Eurasia So we have a new FCC chairman coming in yeah lobbyist You know cut out the middleman. It's it's what the lobbyist in charge It's funny you say this because it turns out that he is indeed he was a a lobbyist not for one but for two trade groups and And so he did lobby the government.

2:48:14 And so now he is in charge of the FCC, which means he'll be in charge of cell phone, broadband, radio, ham radio, really everything and gets to set policy. But here's what I don't understand. I went to C-SPAN and I got some clips. You know, C-SPAN is pretty, if you go to c-spanvideo.org, there's a whole archive system you can search. And I was sure that I heard the president had done this, but yeah, it's true. to know that there are rules on the books to keep it that way. They deserve a government that is truly of, by and for the people. As I often said during the campaign, we need to make the White House the people's house. And we need to close the revolving door that lets lobbyists come into government freely and lets them use their time in public service as a way to promote their own interests over the interests of the American people when they leave.

2:49:08 So today we are taking a major step towards fulfilling this campaign promise. The executive order on ethics I will sign shortly represents a clean break from business as usual. As of today, lobbyists will be subject to stricter limits than under any under any other administration in history. He can't even read it, he's so full of crap. If you are a lobbyist entering my administration, you will not be able to work on matters you lobbied on. Whoa! Well how can he work? He can't do this. It's in the executive order. It's breaking the president's own rule. So, let me just back that up. I heard that properly, didn't I? If you come into my administration

2:49:54 As a lobbyist you cannot work on things that you lobbied the government for. Well he lobbied for this. He was a lobbyist for the cable and for the wireless industry. The work on matters you lobbied on or in the agencies you lobbied during the previous two years. Or even two years. Well we know the guy lobbied the FCC in two years. This is outrageous. When you leave government you will not be able to lobby my administration for as long as I am president. And there will be a ban on gifts by lobbyists to anyone serving in the administration as well. And I remember, because we talked about this and then I pulled another clip, and this is all 2009 stuff, new rules. If you are enlisting in government service.

2:50:40 You will have to commit in writing to rules limiting your role for two years in matters involving people you used to work with and barring you from any attempt to influence your former government colleagues for two years after you leave. Sounds like a bad deal to me, my friend. I wouldn't be, I would not accept this position, Mr. Wheeler. He's at work with guys like Chertoff. Well the two years have already gone. Yeah now it has but he went right into them and most of these guys go right into the business right immediately. Hayden, come on Hayden the CIA guy. He's working for Chertoff. Yeah it's cool the way that works but no one ever calls anyone no one ever says anything about it it's like oh some of the press corps say something. Why would they? They're the ones they want gifts, they want free cell phones, they want broadband, they want Google Fiber.

2:51:35 I'm not going to do anything like that. And then this one, this one really killed me. So the firm Perini-Zachary Parsons received the business from the state of California of $985,142,530 to build the first section of the high speed rail Yeah. And do you know who's in that consortium? I believe Dianne Feinstein's husband. That would be correct. That would be correct. Her husband gets to build a railroad that costs $35 million per mile. I thought it was only $32 million per mile. Inflation. Last time we talked about it, it's gone up a little bit. And then we have... Yeah, it's a billion dollar contract from Feinstein, for Feinstein's husband.

2:52:36 And then we have Benghazi, and this is very interesting. So apparently several of the other people who were in the consulate at Benghazi, and we know there are about 30 of them who were whisked off to Germany after the ambassador was killed and three other service members were killed, I think one CIA, one SEAL, two other dudes, all selling arms, whatever they were doing. So now they want to testify later this month. Daryl Issa, of course, is putting this all together. And it sounds like the administration in the White House is denying or is trying to stop really these people from talking. Now we thought that it was possible they had received national security letters which basically says if you talk about this, we're going to lock you up forever.

2:53:31 We put you in jail and you know, the NSL, National Security Letters are used all the time, certainly by this administration to shut people up. And so now there's this one attorney who I do question. But she's making a lot of trouble. Here's her partner, and I think her husband Victoria tensing my partner has just been retained by one of the Department of State whistleblowers who are going to appear before the ICA committee on April 26th Congressman Isis sent a letter to the new Secretary of State to

2:54:16 and other people who want to represent the whistleblowers in an attempt to prevent the testimony. There's going to be a constitutional showdown here. Congress is going to win. The administration's effort to cover up what happened at Benghazi is going to fail. It's taken a long time, but Boehner and company have finally gotten their act together and have decided that they must get the answers. But right now, the Department of State is refusing to give security clearances to people like Victoria so they can represent the whistleblowers. The whistleblowers are out there, these are great Americans, they are heroes, they were on the ground in Benghazi, they want to tell their story and the administration is going to do everything it can to stop them

2:54:57 from testifying under oath in public and they want to protect Hillary and the president. That's what this is all about. So this, so one of these lawyers or maybe the lawyer, Victoria Toonsing is all over, she's on Fox News and she's like, hey, they're covering up their, I just wanted to say that this woman has a beef, certainly with the Clintons back in the Monica Lewinsky days, they were on television all the time. She and her husband, I think this was her husband, Toensing, T-O-E-N-S-I-N-G. And she was in the Reagan administration as a deputy assistant attorney general, headed up the terrorism unit. But she also defended the government with the TWA 847 hijacking a Pan Am Flight 103. So she's not a good actor.

2:55:49 Because Pan Am 103, clearly CIA job, well known, they blame it on the schmuck from Libya which of course was later misused by this current administration. So I'm not thinking she's such a great person and certainly her beef against Hillary Clinton. But it's not like this is unknown, it's not like it's unknown that we're trying to get people to testify. And this question did come up in the impromptu press conference with the president, and his answer was pretty funny. I know pieces of this story have been litigated and you've been asked about it. But there are people in your own State Department saying they've been blocked from coming forward.

2:56:27 that they survived the terror attack and they want to tell their story. Will you help them come forward and just say it once and for all? Ed, I'm not familiar with this notion that anybody's been blocked from testifying. So what I'll do is I will find out what exactly you're referring to. What I've been very clear about from the start is that our job with respect to Benghazi has been to find out exactly what happened. to make sure that US embassies not just in the Middle East but around the world are safe and secure and to bring those who carried it out to justice but I'll find out what exactly you're referring to. They hired an attorney because they're saying that they've been blocked from coming forward. I'm not familiar with it. What? I don't know. I never heard of it. Now Carney, Spokeswoman Carney. By the way she looks like Mel Torme.

2:57:22 Spokesall Carney, his answer was even better. So, okay, so we want to, clearly we want to avoid the whole Benghazi thing. Ixnay on the N'Gazi Bay because, you know, we know that was a botched kidnapping that was set up to make the president look good and make him a hero. And by the way, there's a lot of information about what really happened. Chris, what was his name? What? From what? Chris. Chris. I almost said Chris Anderson. But no, the ambassador. Chris. Chris Matthews. The ambassador. No, not Chris Matthews. Oh, they made Chris Matthews. The ambassador.

2:58:04 He didn't just die of smoke inhalation, okay? Stevenson, wasn't it? They raped him with a broom handle and dragged him naked through the streets. There's pictures of this. Yeah, it's disgusting. I mean, they effed the guy up big time and none of this is like, oh, he died of smoke inhalation. No, no, I'm sorry. They raped him with a broom handle, okay? This is no joke what happened here. This went incredibly wrong. Things with this administration are going wrong. They're so arrogant. This is what I think happened with Boston. Something went wrong. Maybe not. Anyway, I don't want to get into that because before you know it, I'm selling you seeds.

2:58:41 But here is spokesman for the Department of Defense, Carl Carney, and how he says, shut up. If someone were to come forward, if they just haven't technically told their superior or something, if they were to come forward, is the White House willing to let them test? Well, again, I mean, that's a hypothetical. But let's be clear. Benghazi happened a long time ago.

2:59:19 That's my favorite! It happened a long... It happened a long... It was... That's so long, man! Really! I mean... He's reading. Let's be clear. It happened a long time ago, man. It's like, really? Man, it's like a long time ago, man. Seriously. Huh? A long time ago. I could go on forever, but we can't. We can't go on forever. We have to stop this show here. What do you think? Should we stop here? Geez, what a time it is. I know! How did we wind up doing this? I don't know. Oh, so we got off to a late start. Yeah, we also- but we went long. You should have stopped me. I was on a roll. I was glad that you were here. I still have one more thing. Let's do one more thing. Stop this. Stop this. Whoa, whoa. Really? You're gonna stop the show for one more thing? Yeah. Wow, okay.

3:00:26 Uh, this was a kind of a weird... Is this gonna kill the whole show? Is this gonna be like a total downer? It's gonna kill the whole show. Actually what's gonna kill the show is that people are gonna start thinking Dee Dee Dina. She's not mine now. Wait, wait, let's do it. You can mix this into... Everybody talking about the bird. Oh, I'll do that. Yeah, you can mix it right in. Get everybody, make everyone crazy. Uh... Nah. We'll do the other one. Yeah, okay, wow. Cliffhanger! A cliffhanger, ladies and gentlemen. Woo! That was scary. A cliffhanger, I tell ya. Now I have an end of show clip of Eleanor Clift. She is the douchette on the McLaughlin group. Okay. In its entirety.

3:01:31 It's only two minutes. She's a minor by the way. I was worried about this thing and what they wouldn't let a song like this be played anymore She's a minor. No. It says he's she's a minor. How about how about teen angel? Teen angel can you hear me? We'll see we'll see we'll see what happens if people you start hearing this song in their brain yeah, all right I will turn on the transmitter All right, everybody, please support this program for Sunday. It's always tough to get the support we need for our twice a week, but we know you're going to come through. And as always, you can sign up for one of our monthly support systems. Go to Dvorak.org slash NA. Coming to you from the capital of the drone star state,

3:02:19 Where I'm an extremist! In the morning everybody, I'm Adam Curry. And from northern Silicon Valley, plain and simple, I'm John C. Dvorak. Talk to you again on Sunday, right here on No Agenda. You call it amnesty. I don't call it amnesty if you have to pay back taxes, you have to pay some pretty hefty fees, and it's 13 years before you can become a citizen. But this does legalize people, gets them out of the shadows, and strengthens our defenses, frankly, if you know who is in the country as opposed to just having people in this shadowy position. And I would also ask you, John, let's call them undocumented immigrants.

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