Lonely Crazies

00:00 It's going to create a nuclear winter. Adam Curry, John C. DeVore. Sunday, April 28th, 2013. Time for your Gitmo Nation media assassination episode 508. This is no agenda. See QDX for all stations worldwide from the Travis Heights hideout. In the capital of the drone star state, Austin Tatehouse in the morning everybody. I'm Adam Curry. And from northern Silicon Valley, 73, I'm John C. DeVore. Spoken like a true ham who doesn't do anything about it. Who has no idea what he's talking about. That's right, I don't know nothing. 73s. 73s. You might say that at the end of the show.

00:47 Saying it at the beginning is a little lame. Hey, dude, dude, dude, we missed an opportunity. We must remember to do this properly next year. Because I think it's like the third year in a row I'm probably saying this. Whenever they have the White House Correspondents Dinner in Washington, D.C., also known as What was it? It was like hashtag nerd prom? Hashtag douche fest. Douchepalooza. They were using douchefest as a hashtag for C-SPAN. But somehow they thought it was, C-SPAN thought it was cool to call it nerd prom. This is not nerd prom, douchepalooza. Yeah, but let's face it, that was sent down obviously by the group. They told C-SPAN to do that because that was the punchline

01:38 To that lame video that the operation put together. Wait a minute, which video is that? You mean their... It's a Kevin Spacey video. I didn't see the Kevin... How did I miss this? I missed the long introduction video and Ed Henry, the head of the organization that puts on this thing, he played, the guy's not funny by the way, he's a Fox guy. I think Fox people generally have no sense of humor. Let's just explain to people who do not, in fact most people have no idea what we're talking about except, you know, because who the heck cares? Who knows about this? So every year the White House correspondents, that would be the

02:21 The people who sit in the White House and ask questions or basically receive the script and then read it on their cable channels airwaves. They have a dinner and this dinner has progressed over the decades. into a total douche fest but of course it kind of I don't have a problem with it makes a lot of sense because you know you can only get a table if you're a news organization but then you'll have to buy the tables at $2,500 a pop per seat right not per table. Oh no, I thought it was perceived. You can't they explain you'd miss this to the guy went through long details about the menu the prices and all no I missed all of this this is annoying you told me you were watching for two hours when I was watching it for two hours and that was the red carpet which there was no Ryan Seacrest this is the mistake no but they had Claire Danes who I didn't realize it but apparently cannot walk in high heels

03:17 No, but I'm talking about I'm talking about the press so anyway, so you use $2,500 a table apparently which I think is cheap the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame is 10,000 a table for 10 seats Yeah, this is a very cheap but you can't not anyone can buy a table. It's exclusive in that regard. Right. Exactly. So you have to be a press organization and then you can invite whoever you want to invite. And of course, this has gotten a little more crazy over the years, although I don't think so, because this is these celebrities who are invited. They are the true bread and butter of the news industry. So to me, it makes total sense that they invite these people. I mean, I don't see any any issue with it at all.

03:59 But this has now become controversial. So, but typically this is kind of like a roast, if you will, also a very traditional American kind of thing where the president will make fun of the either a little bit of himself, a little bit of the relationship between him and the press, but then also, you know, just about whatever's going on at the moment, current events. You know, we've had President Obama say some pretty interesting things in the past. This is one of my favorites. I have two words for you.

04:41 predator drones. Which of course, you know, it's always hilarious. It's hilarious. And so I feel that, you know, the truth is often spoken and they bring in... I agree. And they bring in a, you know, a celebrity comedienne to, you know, to host the evening. So basically it's just who has You know, it's joke writers because both the president and in this case Conan O'Brien are just reading off the jokes. President I will say, very relaxed. I felt he did a good job. You know, it wasn't like, it weren't like knee slappers, you know, it was like okay, it was pretty, you know, it was okay. Then he was appropriate and you know how he toned it down because of the tragedy. But of course it really is a whole, you know, shut up and let them eat cake

05:25 Thing that's happening here and then nothing is more funny to me when you see Celebrities and new celebrities on the red carpet and they're waiting in line to walk the red carpet and you see how it's stupid you see how the women are turning and posing and what that needs John what that needs is you and I they're idiots it needs you and I you know doing a voiceover and talking about them I mean can't you just see how that would be perfect it'd be great and we could have miss Mickey for color when we don't remember who you know who's we don't know who someone is because I won't know who half of them are but no no I think we would look you know you probably would know more than me. No no I think no I think I mean it took me 10 minutes to figure out that her name was Kathleen Turner. I'm like who's that fat one? You know what I mean? No but I was like is it Sybil Shepherd? No it's like but but I think we could totally do it you know we could do let me see do we have a

06:24 Do we have a crowd thing? So what we need, what we actually, you know I'm thinking we should actually do this. We need the feed. I think we could get people watching. No, I think, no, it's just making fun of people. No, I think that what we can do next time, because it's live on the internet so anyone can listen, you know, so you can have like the simulcast, you could be watching the video and then have our voiceover. You know, because we'd be like, oh there's George Stephanopoulos, you know, and we could talk about how tiny he is. Oh wait, Conan did all those jokes already. But you know, it's like, it could be fun. I can see where that would be worthwhile. So my favorite thing... I'm not convincing you. Besides the red carpet, they also had a little photo shoot area that... With one of those backdrops. With a backdrop, but shooting away. So apparently it's CBS that brought in Claire Danes.

07:17 and so they, so who was her, who seemed to be her, I think her date. Oh, it was Bob Schieffer. Yeah. Oh wow, this guy, talking about perks for the job. Did you see him, did you see that shit eating grin he had on his face when he came in? He had a huge shit eating grin. And he had Claire days who couldn't stand up for the life of her. I mean she's just bopping all over the place. I didn't realize that she was, you know, a... Well let me, this leads right into two clips that I have. So the person who was made a stink about this thing, it started last year and this year, you know, oh there's that grump, in fact he is now the buzzkill of the news and entertainment industrial complex is Tom Brokaw. And Tom Brokaw, he actually gives a very good rundown of the history of this and how it changed into this Celebrity Fest and he pinpoints when it changed

08:10 So you're feeling really good when you hear him talk about this, but then it turns out he's just as full of shit as the rest of them. So listen to this. It was always a fun gathering, but work could be done. It was a mix of important Washington sources who were congressional committee chairmen, both parties would be represented, the administration would be represented. Supreme Court justices would come and the Washington Press Corps would go and we'd have a festive evening, a lot of kind of homegrown humor, not always bringing in an outsider. Very often they would get the very clever people who worked in Washington and they would do routines of some kind.

08:50 And it was at the end of the evening I always thought productive for both sides, for those who were public office holders or appointees of some kind in the press. We could get to know each other a little bit and talk about things in a more casual fashion. And then it began to evolve. It got larger. I remember in 74, 75 I think, it might have been 75, when the original cast of Saturday Night Live came down. And it was a big hit with good reason. It was Chevy and John Belushi and Lorne Michaels brought them in, and it was appropriate. They were doing a lot of political stuff, and it kind of raised, if you will, the profile of the White House Correspondents Center. Then somewhere along the line, it began to freewheel out of control the correspondent who brought Fawn Hall. Yeah.

09:42 Now Fawn Hall was Oliver North's secretary, right? I think so. Yeah, I think yeah, and she was very pretty she had kind of like gorgeous Farrah Fawcett hair and But she somehow messed up the the Iran-Contra thing a lot of it hinged on her. It was Oliver North's secretary I'm sorry Oliver North. Yeah, but a lot but it was a lot of the Iran-Contra hinged on her testimony of how she'd somehow deleted something while leaning left and made a wrong entry. You know, it was very key at the time. And of course, it was perfect to have a beautiful secretary involved in some political scandal. It really took it to a different level. Then it became more of a tabloid kind of dinner. And I watched and I was not censorious in any way. I took Lee Iacocca one year

10:34 But I was kind of embarrassed by the end of the evening because it was sophomoric humor and a lot of people were drinking way too much. And a lot of, can I have my picture taken with you? Can I get your autograph? Too cozy by half. So I just didn't go anymore. But I would watch on C-SPAN. And as I watched on C-SPAN, I would try to put myself kind of, if you will, in the person of an interested citizen in Kansas City or Little Rock. or in Spokane Washington which by the way the way he says that sounds so elitist by itself like oh you stupid hicks in there when I was a hick in Arkansas and I was watching this yeah I'd say these guys are douchebags exactly saying that's the Washington press corps I mean there was more dignity at my daughter's junior prom true than there is what I'm seeing on C-SPAN here true

11:33 Then we got to that point where everyone had to bring in whatever page six celebrity happened to be around. And for me, the breaking point was Lindsay Lohan. She became a big star at the White House Correspondents' Dinner. Give me a break. So, you know, I'm liking Broke Jaw when I hear him talk like this, but then at the end, here's a little 30 seconds where he ruins everything and it just shows that he's the same douchebag as all of them. Or Lindsey Lohan, someone who I've cited before. On the other hand, my friend Bob Schieffer immediately sent me a picture. of him sitting with Clare Danes and saying, sorry Broca, I'm not giving this up. I get that.

12:13 Claire Danes is not someone I'm talking about. She's a big deal. And you know, you should bring in George Clooney loves to come. There is a serious guy in Hollywood. That's fine. Clooney, Claire Danes. But it's gone down market in life. You're an asshole, broke jaw. And by the way. What difference does it make whether it's Lindsay Lohan or Claire Danes? She's a big deal, John. She's a big deal. She's a big deal. And Clooney's a serious guy in Hollywood. Yeah, but here's the question. What do you think? Say it again? You're not hearing this? I heard it but I couldn't understand it. Drunk or not drunk? Not drunk, not drunk. That's just the way he talks.

12:57 I've met him. I was always impressed by him, but that was like, what a disappointment from the say that. Oh Claire Dane, she's a big deal. That's okay. Shut up. No, it's bad. He blew it with that. Yeah, big time. Yeah, Lindsay Lohan. I don't like it. You talk it's just like a just he is the hick from Arkansas Yeah, I don't like that Lindsay Lohan, but that Claire Danes is pretty good looking good looking mighty pretty And who is that one with a big hooters from that family from the modern family show she's good. She's a big deal Yeah, yeah, so that just you know just proves the whole point it really really destroys his own yeah, but this is so that's exactly what is but this is what the The news and entertainment industrial complex is about they need the celebrities because turn on the news It's all about the celebrities. I mean, oh man. I saw Donnie Wahlberg the other day on CNN talking about Boston You know, it's like yes, just get more celebrities in make yeah, I

13:59 So I take it you didn't, no it was Donnie, sorry, not Mark, it was Donnie. This is what I'm talking about. It's ludicrous. But this, anyway, so the whole event was, you know, it was for one thing it's jammed. I listened to the, they read off the menu, it didn't sound that interesting. Everybody who was, all the publishers and all the mucky mucks were there. I saw Kramer from USA Today who I worked with over here at Market Watch. And then his editor, who used to be the editor here, was sitting next to him and they were just smiling. Did I see Pierce Morgan... It just seems like a huge waste of time for a major publication to be at this thing in Washington DC if they're not headquartered there. So two things, and I think you had some questions for me, but first of all, did I not see Pierce Morgan walk in with Jeff Zucker as his date? Wasn't that Jeff Zucker?

14:53 Jeff Zucker I saw him I think he was sitting with I believe it would I think he and Pierce came in as dates That's a possibility. It was just and I was I was thinking Katzenberg was with Spielberg. Yeah, no, no, no, I was there and oh, yeah, and then they had the whole Spielberg and they Lewis thing that was lame just lame and Oh, yeah, what is it with C-SPAN and BuzzFeed? What is it with BuzzFeed in general? I? Yeah, so C-SPAN's like, oh BuzzFeed couldn't buy a table, they've been excluded, they're doing their own party, well let's do a split screen now with a pub where BuzzFeed is doing their- and everyone's talking about BuzzFeed. What is this BuzzFeed they speaketh of? Well that is the spin-off of Politico. I thought it was- it's the spin-off of Huffington Post. Isn't it? No, no. Isn't the co-founder of Huffington Post?

15:47 Didn't he said he's the co-founder of Politico. No, I think you're wrong John. No, I don't think I'm wrong Yeah, I do think you're wrong. Look the guy's name up and you'll see okay, but what's the guy's name? I gotta look it up But you look at BuzzFeed it's like here. There's the home page of BuzzFeed 17 acapella covers of indie rock songs Can you get through this without shaking your butt? Celebrity fashion at the White House Correspondents Dinner. I mean, who gives a crap about this? Okay, here we go. I get it now. Alright, you're right, and I'm right. Oh. A rare occurrence. You're more right. Co-founded in 2006 by Jonah Peretti, who was the co-founder of the Huffington Post, but it's run by this guy who came over, Ben Smith, who was the guy who started Politico. Okay. And he runs it. Okay. So it's a combination of people. Okay.

16:42 But yeah, this is like heavily funded. So they had their own little party, which actually, who cares? Let's see what jobs they have. Can we get a job there? Job openings. Let me see what we have. Breaking news reporter. That means you have to have some flatulence. Business reporter. We can be a business reporter. Let's see. BuzzFeed is here. John, this is for you. BuzzFeed is hiring hungry, aggressive, fast and smart business reporters to help us build a new kind of business vertical for the social web. What do you do? Well, I'm building a new business vertical for the social web.

17:19 The successful candidates will have knowledge and sources in one of the following. Media and entertainment business, Wall Street, specifically the bulge bracket banks, M&A, private equity, hedge funds and venture capital. The technology industry, retail, particularly big brands of interest to a digitally native aud... You're gonna pick up a call in here. Listen to this. Listen to how stupid this is. Their English is even incorrect. Big brands of interest to a digitally native audiences. Okay, great, great. What? What? What? This is what it says. This is how bad it is. big brands of interest to a digitally native audiences or Another core industry beat as well as a native grasp of hot news works online. Oh how news works online. Sorry

18:01 The right candidate has the ability to turn earnings reports, SEC filings, macroeconomic data, and complex financial transactions into insightful and fun posts readers will want to share. This is a job for me! Yay! Guess what everybody? Apple's stocked down but that doesn't mean iPhone 6 won't be great! Share please my post it's gonna be great share it like like like responsibilities whoo responsibilities pitch and write stories daily oh man you mean I gotta work for this job Wow let's break news this is a responsibility you must break news hey you break any news yet I broke a story I broke it I just busted it up here we go develop sources

18:51 Oh, here we go. Have the capacity to pitch, report, and present stories in non-traditional ways. What does that even mean? And appear on radio and TV as necessary to promote the your and the team's work. I swear to God that's what it says. Let me read that again to you. This is BuzzFeed. This is the journalistic integrity of their checking their own job postings. Appear on radio and TV as necessary to promote the your and the team's work. Very good BuzzFeed What idiots Wow what a convoluted sentence requirements? Oh, well, it's not convoluted I think the word the they just left it in they this is a copy paste from something else and somehow that Because it should be appear on radio and TV as necessary to promote your and the team's work, but it's the your requirements business reporting experience I got that I think I qualify

19:47 Comfort dealing with financial data and high-level executives. Sure. Social media presence. John, with your 50,000 followers, you're way up there. I have 88. Be a team player. Oh, I'm so sorry. No haters. No haters, John. No haters. That's a requirement. Can you believe that? No haters? It says that? It says no haters, yes. What? It says no haters? Yes. I thought you were just kidding. No! No haters. Wow. That sounds like a boring publication. BuzzFeed is the most important publication online since the Huffington Post.

20:37 Politico which is owned by the Washington Post is it not isn't owned by someone? Don't be a hate now you had some questions about this for me, I believe yeah, I forgot already And we don't have any clips No, I was thinking you were going to get some clips. I couldn't really get any clips. There was a couple of clips that I'll just tell you what they were that I would have got. One is where Obama, and I think this was serious because as you say, truth does come out during these things. Oh, wait, let me guess. Where he said, I'm no longer the strapping young Muslim socialist that I was? No. Oh, because I thought that was like, oh, okay, that's true. Yeah, no, I agree. I agree.

21:23 That that was one of the possibilities, but no the one was I would have not run if Shelly Adelson had given me a hundred million dollars Yeah, and then he threw the through it to To the first lady and said Michelle thought about it. No. He says I thought about it. I know Michelle thought right right That's what it was. She's like laughing. Oh He basically put a price Yeah, he had a price. A hundred million bucks. And Albertson apparently spent more than that. He was being berated by the president, Adelson, Shelley. He basically said, you know, you wasted all your money. You just threw it away. You could have just given it to me and you'd been done with me and I'd be out of here and I'd be a happy camper. Yep. Essentially what he said. Yeah. Oh yeah, it was a joke. He was just kidding around.

22:08 He said he wasn't kidding around. He said he thought about it and his wife thought about it. I believe it. I totally believe it. Who wouldn't? But there was no offer of course. Just to make this aggravation? No, but there was no offer. No there wasn't, I mean, but he just said that's what he was scolding Adelson for not thinking clearly. You could have saved some money, got what you wanted. How come there's never like a bomb at those events? You know as they were milling out they had this nice camera at the end showing all these people coming out. He said, oh I didn't know she was there. Oh look who it is. Yeah. And all these people trying to trying to you know weasel their way out. And it was jammed. It was crowded. It was not a big room. Did you see the dogs? The sniffer dogs on the red carpet?

23:01 At a certain point, like this sniffer dog takes off after one of these women who's standing outside. It was just like, you know, the whole thing is bizarre, but it really it needs a Curry-Dvorak commentary, red carpet. Hi, George Stephanopoulos, who are you wearing? I mean, that's really... That's really what it was missing. Yeah, who are you wearing? It's a classic. Who are you wearing? Oh, hey, Newt Gingrich. By the way, Newt Gingrich will talk to anybody. Oh yeah. He just is like, what? And I interviewed him once. Case in point. Case in point. Exactly. Wow. Hey, let's boogie right on through and thank... No, wait.

23:45 Let me say in the morning to you John C. Devorah. Well in the morning to you Adam Curry, in the morning to all the ships at sea out there, and the boots on the ground, and the feet in the air, and the subs in the water, and the knights and dames out there. That's right, CQDX to all of you, and the chat room, noagendastream.com, noagendachat.net. Can you tell them getting excited about Hamvention? Ooh, Hamvention, are you gonna go? No. You're gonna have your device ready? I wish, nah I won't have it ready this year. The Hamvent, it's in, it's on, it's May 17th. It's like in two and a half weeks. I won't be ready. It's in Dayton, Ohio. I wish I could go though. It'd be kind of cool. It's funny when you look at the, at the website. It's like, you know, you can rent scooters, electric scooters.

24:31 It's like really bad. It's a bad image for the hamster. It's a horrible image. Yeah, I gotta get a scooter to go around. Hey, there's old Bob. It's literally what it is. There's big Bob. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Let us thank our producers. As you know, unlike the douchebag fest that we saw on television, we actually have producers for our show. Unlike C-SPAN who just think they can get away with it and you know there it goes it served serve nobody Just a couple of dudes like John and I sitting there laughing at all the idiots But when it comes to the no agenda show we have people who actually really support us and not just with finances, but also with information and

25:22 We have our sources. They won't take payments. They you know, we don't have commercials running so that we're compromised in any anyway shape or no no, but but if Shelly Allison want to analysis so you know, you can't buy analysis We have to do it ourselves. You do you do if Shelly Adelson would pay us a hundred million though. I do we'd be done. Yeah Hey boy, it wasn't Lindsay Lohan. Awesome Claire Dane rocks. We'd be right on board. I in a heartbeat. And a shot of Karma, it is creepy. It's like a little, yeah it's creepy. And a shot of Karma from my lovely wife Sherry. Keep up the great work. And he should have... He's on the list. He's on the list to get a nighting. That's right. MILF! That's one mother I like. You've got Karma. If I can just talk to the engine room for a minute. If we could turn on the air conditioning that would be helpful. Thank you.

26:37 Heinrich Jaeger, Heinrich Jaeger I guess in Fort Walton Florida, Fort 508. Been a boner, now a donor. I've took a, about time I took a moment to give back for all the value for value that I've gotten. I want to call out Jeff who I work with as a douchebag. Douchebag! For having listened for years and never donating, even though he is the one who hit me in the mouth. I have been listening since show 320-something. I've lost track now, but I've listened to every single show here and there while I drive or while I'm at work. My main love for the show is that when listening, I know that there's someone else out there who sees behind the curtain, that there are others who see the state that our world is in and where it's going and do not approve.

27:23 I've always felt outside of my peers, I could never understand why they accepted the bull crap that they were fed or why they bought into the marketing and the lies that were constantly shoved in their faces. But now I've definitely been exposed to a much wider spider web of lies and bull crap since I began listening and I'm still in the fence whether or not I am better off for it. So this he sent a very long email and I asked the buzzkill jr. To put it in the spreadsheet which he did and I just like to skip ahead to the part that I thought was very funny and he's a very knowledgeable guy and I can tell you where he works but he has a lot of information he knows that we're right on about a lot of things and here's what he said which I found interesting I've been wanting to donate for a long time now at least 100 episodes however something that you've always said Adam of course always stood in my way

28:15 On numerous occasions you have stated something to the effect of, it always sounds good and like they know what they are talking about until they get to a subject that you the listener actually know something about. Then their blatant ignorance makes you question everything else that they have just said. Unfortunately, there are a couple of occasions when you have fallen into that trap, and is always right when I am nearly on the verge of donating. Notable instances. What do you think is his example that I don't and I'm not knowledgeable about? The a cold fusion that would be incorrect I guess I guess How a NASCAR works its restarts Sorry, sorry, you're not even close Let's see one more okay

29:11 Baseball stats. Oh, I'm so sorry John that is incorrect. No the topic of furries apparently I am very unknowledgeable furries What and the people who dress up furry and yeah, I know furries in fact I have a whole when I went to the graduation of this is John C Dvorak who is now speaking and he is presumably very knowledgeable about the furries Well, my knowledge stems from Buzzkill Jr., who graduated from Evergreen, where people could at Evergreen when they have, which is one of the more famous colleges in the country for being wacky. So you go to the graduation, people can dress up any way they want. Some put a cap and gown on, some wear a stripper outfit, some of the girls... Wait, what school is this? Let me write this down. Evergreen. Evergreen, alright. There's a couple of the girls, it's like, wow! So anyway, and there's a number of furries that attend the school and they dress up as their character and they take their graduation, they grab their diploma, dressed up as a squirrel or a rabbit or whatever.

30:14 And so I was asking, I was taking pictures because my camera was just shooting shots all over the place. And I thought that these guys were just kind of funny. I didn't realize that they were, this was some sort of a sexual thing. Ah, but see this is what I said and apparently I was wrong and I think our executive producer here, Heinrich, you know, unfortunately Heinrich, You didn't send me like the correct information so I can... I believe... No, no, no. You weren't wrong. I believe our producer here is a furry and I'd like to know more about what's going on. I would love to hear for... In fact, I would love to interview him as a furry. If you have... Well, they would love to be interviewed, I'm sure. And generally speaking, if they're like... Whatever they furry... Whatever furry they are, it indicates some of their sexual

31:02 This is this was a nation. This was always my understanding, but yes, and so if you're a rabbit you like to screw a lot Especially the girls and you know so there'll be wrapped red rabbits and squirrels and they and they usually have sex in the outfit This is my understanding as well, but apparently apparently I I know why you here. Let me take a wild guess hmm you have a son who's a furry and And you get suspicious about his crazy activities and the people he's hanging out with and he gives you a cock and bull story about what it's all about. Oh, it's just a club where we read books and we go and we dance at the Ashkenash in Berkeley once a week. Ashkenash. And we jump around and I mean, my girlfriend, the rabbit, she likes to do the bunny hop. That's her favorite dance and that's why she wears that outfit. Bye, dad.

31:54 Hey Heinrich, thank you very much. Although it's spelled H-I-E which would be more Heinrich. Yeah. Another thing I'm not knowledgeable about. We have our last executive producer will be Barry Hanna in... Apparently somebody gets a huge kick out of me saying Akatox, Alberta. Kind of like Spuzzum in BC. But it's Akatox, Akatox, Alberta. 333 33 love the show keep of the great work Barry Hanna and finally we have one associate executive producer Robert Herbert harms in great Bend Kansas $200 checking in with some value for value just started 1212 per month subscription, and I encourage everyone else to do the same Love you guys. Thank you so much

32:44 Well, this is appreciated because you know, the Sunday shows are slow and as you'll see from our donation segment no change today, but good to see a couple of executive producers and one associate executive producer coming in and of course Heinrich so it is it's funny because it says Heinrich with an EI in the spreadsheet, but ie on his email I'm thinking it's Anyway, how would you pronounce it differently? Well Heinrich Heinrich Heinrich versus Heinrich Heinrich Jäger Anyway, he will also be the sole and exclusive member of the 508 Club, which is always nice. This is episode 508 and you can find all of these credits and more, including the credit for our artist who will be chosen as we go to the final production stage of the program. And we thank Thorin for coming in with... It was funny on 507. What was it? He had a funny one that we liked. We had... There was a lot of good art that came in.

33:46 Yeah, we had a deluge. Somehow, like, I think this thing gets clogged up. Dude, I'm getting in trouble here in Austin for the rain stick. So last night there was a house concert. Oh, by the way, before you go on with that, I want to remind people that you can still help us for the show, the Thursday show, Dvorak.org slash NA channel Dvorak.com slash NA no agenda show dot com and no agenda nation dot com. Both have donate buttons. Please go to one or all of them. OK, so he's in the chat room. How do I pronounce it? Can you pronounce it in the chat room? Heinrich. I think it's Heinrich and not Heinrich.

34:28 No, it'll take 20 seconds to figure it out. Here we go. That is... Of course, very important for every single one of you, whether you donate or not, to go out and propagate our formula. Our formula is this. We go out, we hit people in the mouth. Shut up, man. Well, so now Heinrich is all upset. He says, you know, he specifically asked me He says in the email, you know, I'm sure you won't read parts on this that will identify me. Are we identifying him with this furry thing? No.

35:09 If he has a son who's a furry. Well I hope he's not angry. I didn't say where he works. And by the way, the rain stick, I believe now I've been working on technique. I think you have to let those last little ones fall at the end if it sounds like drops. Can I just say, I'm getting in trouble here. So there was a house concert, a benefit concert yesterday. It was it was it was pretty cool actually Who's the guy who played Jerry Lewis on? I walk the line Yeah, as a young Jerry Lewis Was I walk the line I walked the line. What was the Johnny Cash? Yeah, yeah, I cast his name. I don't remember there being a Jerry Lewis in there. Oh, yeah, no he did yeah, yeah, I think was Waylett they go Waylon Payne

36:07 So he performed. It was good. It was very... it was interesting. Did he play Jerry Lewis? No. But his mom was, um... Oh, Sammy... what's her name? Uh, take the ribbon from my hair. Remember that song? This Before My Time. Sammy Smith. Sammy Smith. Very, very... you know that song, don't you? Nah. Oh, please! You don't know Take the Ribbon from My hair? Not really. Really? Wow, okay. Well, I may be hurt. It's not before your time. Anyway, so that's her song. He played that song. It was nice, but then it's rained! It's Texas, it's an outdoor concert. It's not good. And everyone's like, damn you, Curry. So please, let's go easy on the rain stick. Because it is our rain stick. It works. I get tweets now.

37:01 People saying it's we people saying curry we get it it works stop It's bad. It's superstition Yeah, um so thought maybe it would be fun to show how a little script works for people who are just checking into this program for the first time and you actually send out Like a personal email to everybody I saw yesterday about about this about how we could What exactly did you write? It was about... I said that we need some way of defining the show because this is not... I consider it like a post-modern radio show. But nobody knows what that means. You say, oh, it's post-modern art or it's post-modern comedy or it's post-modern... But nobody really... You know, you look it up and read... I have a book that just discusses this concept. And it's like, oh, jeez, I don't know what it means. I know less after reading the book.

37:59 but it means it's kind of like new and of in a weird way and um... so uh... but did it's not a thing you can sell yes it's a bit what this is a little agenda show it's post-modern democratic-syndrome here and i mean anything right some way of saying white what what's it what's different about the show cuz the show is totally different than anything else out there i mean there's nobody that does but also it with the explanation of what it is it has to enable people to see that you might need to give it two or three goes before you're really into it? That's the problem I described. We've known this for since within a year when we first really got the show formula, which was it takes people, for one thing, the beginning puts people off because it's a mockery of opening morning zoo type shows. And most of our noises and all the rest is a mockery

38:56 of the older way things were done which is again which is a postmodern idea and so we are a meta show in some ways but the other on the other end of it we do provide news analysis which is nothing new people been doing that forever but they do it in but their day it's essentially encapsulated in different forms I mean if you go back to the IF Stone newsletter or sell this the famous when you say I have stone 99.99% of all citizens have no idea what you're talking about. Right, I know, but I say these names, I have stolen and selled this as the other one, S-E-L-D-E-S, because in this era, people can be listening and they can say, well let me look him up on Wikipedia. So there's a couple of things. Now traditionally, if someone could say, well, you know, they won the Peabody Award,

39:48 You know, that's one way to get people to listen. You know, if there was some prestigious award. And I think you and I pretty much realize that we're never going to win an award for anything. We can't even get a podcast award. So there's a very... Right, and I'm working with the inventor or co-inventor or whatever you want of podcasts. Yeah, no, this is not, this does not work for you. This is not good enough. No. No, I have to, I don't know what to do. And what's worse is like there's, you know, I have this stigma clinging to me of the MTV guy. It makes it even worse. Right, you're still the MTV guy. Oh yeah, no. That's the guy from MTV. People say that to me when I bring up the show. Oh yeah, you should be listening. I always say Google No Agenda, which I think is one of the ways people can at least get a clue that it's not a

40:35 2-bit operation Google know a gen and see what you get word we're take over the whole thing for the first five six pages and That's still true. Yeah. Yeah, there's an interloper in there, but it's not worth discussing Okay, and I say yeah, I do this show with Adam Curry Adam Curry the MTV guy Forever until I'm dead. Yeah, no, that's never gonna last when were you on MTV last what year 1993? Oh, that's pretty recent 20 years ago. That's not recent John. That's not recent. My kid was two when I quit. Come on. It's not recent. It's not recent.

41:15 So the other way, I think there's another way and it's just to say, yeah, but that's not for you. I think the reverse psychology is, no, no, no, no, no, that's okay. I don't think the No Agenda show is for you. It's kind of an exclusive club. You familiar with Mensa? Okay, that's not it. You're not supposed to be in it. Trust me, this is not good for you. Something like that. You know that technique has its followers and I appreciate the way it works. I personally, it's not my style, but I personally, it's not my style because I don't think I could actually pull it off.

41:56 Really? Yeah, it's a sales pitch. Well how about this one then? But no, I think this one's still valid. It's in play. It's a good idea and it's partially true. It's in play. So we can also say, you can also say, did you see the Matrix? And say, red pill, blue pill. And then you say, oh so this is like a red pill. So no, it's like a kick in the groin. Just something, you know, just to like get them off balance. Is it a red pill show or a blue pill show? It's a kick in your nuts is what it is. Don't know it's there were a couple people at the party yesterday. I had in fact the exact same amount of people who said Wow, so you worked with Martha Quinn. I swear to God and swear to God I guess I don't even know who Martha Quinn is and As people who say wow, I really appreciate what you guys are doing this, you know, at least there's someone there who's you know, trying to you know, expose some truths and the bullcrap and

42:53 The makeup it's hard, you know, so the the one person was actually Who said this do you work with Martha Quinn? She comes from an intelligence family in DC and she's 48 I checked these things and the guy who said I really appreciate what you guys are doing and you know how you're deconstructing the media and no one is really doing anything that unique and Was a 35 year old? Gay garden designer, so you know it's like you can't pin it on any type of person very interesting garden designer All right, so I'd like to for the people who are now now you're sucked in I like okay. Well. What do you guys do I?

43:41 So on Thursday, we already kind of showed, no it was actually started on Sunday and then we took it all the way to Thursday, that the administration was trying to play out a script with this airplane apocalypse. In fact, we named the last episode airplane apocalypse and apparently they changed the name a little bit. They shouldn't have called it airplane apocalypse, it should have been airport apocalypse and then they went to airport Armageddon. So they didn't even have the name right. But the whole idea was to say, oh, the Ryan Seacrestration has ruined air travel, which it didn't. There were some delays because of weather. Yeah, I took a trip and it was... They chose wisely. And you can go on. What's the website? The website is... Hold on. Where's my Ryan Seacrestration node? Here it is. The website is...

44:35 Wow, it's like air air stats dotnet or something crap. I can't find thought I'd thought I'd listed it anyway, so first of all the whole thing is kind of bogative because the FAA is The FAA is funded by fees this is very clear in fact I got an email about it let me read this to you yeah we brought this up when the lawyer came in and talked about the fee-based services that the government provides and how can they be cutting back when it's based on fees and TSA was one of them yes so fuel-based taxes and seat taxes fully fund the FAA so it wasn't much of a big deal to

45:21 You know to patch things up which by the way has not been signed into law so nothing has taken place But all of a sudden everything has been has been saved So but let me just take you through the messaging and it got lost because we had you know Boston and you know It was lost in all kinds of bullcrap. So it didn't work, but they did try it and here is This is what's his name Martin Bashir. I think is on MSNBC listen to how he was yelling and at a representative of You're yelling at a Republican. He was yelling at someone, but what he said was quite bizarre. Ma'am, it's hardly surprising that the American people would rather contract gonorrhea or the Ebola virus rather than show any respect for Congress when it's perfectly obvious that members will only take action when it affects them. So the whole setup was, and by the way, that's just bizarre for him to say that.

46:21 So the whole setup was... He must have gonorrhea. That's exactly right. I think we missed something in the report before that. But the whole setup was, sequestration, Congress sucks, but oh they're standing in line now it's affecting them so then all of a sudden they can pass on and of course as Republicans then the Republicans can pass something really quick. That is that was the script And of course nothing happened. ABC sent guys out and they were like, well it wasn't all that bad except for weather delays and you can check yourself. Sure there's delays in the New York metro area, it happens from time to time. It's always delays in the New York metro area. It's not horrible.

47:09 And here's ABC touting the end of the Armageddon, even though it never really took place. That other big story, what could be the end of Airport Armageddon? So remember, it was airplane apocalypse, then it went to airplane Armageddon, and now it's airport Armageddon. They got everything wrong about this. and all those delays actions by now i think the script writer was too busy working on uh... on the the correspondence in his jokes daily only finishes happening on capitol hill to cut the furloughs of air traffic controllers that have caused flight delays coast to coast dot you know we say washington is dysfunctional but when members here complaints and it's going to affect them it's amazing how fast they can act at sea

47:50 Now, so of course... That's the meme. Okay, so that's the meme and now we've got to wind it up. And I look because this is the Senate Bill S853 and then a version of that passed the House which I have not seen but S853 is literally it is called the Federal Aviation... I'm sorry the reducing flight delays act of 2013 and all it says is you can take that money you have there and you can use it that's not being used as your money anyway and you can use it for anything you want I don't think that it was illegal for them to do this anyway but it you know but it made the president gave him the ability to do this Kyle everybody hi everybody

48:37 Our top priority as a nation must be growing the economy. Okay, that's our... He didn't say it's his top priority, so I will not buzz him off, but it's close. Creating good jobs and rebuilding opportunity for the middle class. Mac and cheese. But two months ago, Congress allowed a series of automatic budget cuts to fall across the federal government that would do the opposite. In Washington speak, these cuts were called the sequester. It was a bad idea then, and as the country saw this week, it's a bad idea now. And I think the Curry-Dvorak Consulting Group thinks it was a bad name to start with. You never should have called it sequestration because people can't even pronounce it. That's why no one cares about it. It's a failed, failed initiative. Because of these reckless cuts, there are parents whose kids just got kicked out of Head Start programs who right now are scrambling for a solution. And by the way, this is really bogative.

49:29 You know, it's like, oh, the kids are getting kicked out of Head Start programs and everything's falling apart. I just I'm not seeing it. There are seniors who depend on programs like Meals on Wheels, dependently, who are looking for help. There are military communities, families that have obviously already sacrificed enough, who are coping under new strains all because of these cuts. This week, the sequester hurt travelers who were stuck for hours in airports and on planes and are rightly frustrated by it. Now see, I'm sorry, I just didn't see it. That's not true. There was an ABC reporter who was caught for hours and hours and even admitted that it was mainly weather delays, but this is not true.

50:10 and maybe because they fly home each weekend the members of congress who insisted on these cuts finally realized that they actually apply to them too. Republicans claimed victory when the sequester first took effect and now they've decided... And I'm a little tired of the Republican thing It's okay you can never claimed victory no and by this bill by the way claimed victory this bill is a Republicans don't want the military cut This is a claiming victory. They want the military cut the Republicans don't want that have all things They don't want this bill is a complete bipartisan bill it is Here Senate Commerce Committee chairman John Jay Rockefeller the fourth and

50:54 who is a Democrat, John Thune, Republican, Susan Collins, Republican, and Mark Udall, Democrat. So it's completely bipartisan. Well, first they should look at their own budget. If the cuts they proposed were applied across the board... Okay, so now I just want to shuttle forward because he says something really funny. How are we doing, John? How do you think the economy is doing? How's the world doing in general? Well, let me take a look at the shadow stats. How's America doing? Yeah, you take a look, you look that up and I'll play this piece. ...causes further damage. A couple of weeks ago I put forward a budget that replaces the next several years of these dumb cuts with smarter cuts. Dumb cuts. I like that. Reforms our tax code to close wasteful special interest loopholes. And invest in things like education, research, and manufacturing that will create new jobs right now. So I hope members of Congress will find the same sense of urgency and bipartisan cooperation to help the families still in the crosshairs of these cuts.

51:57 Members of Congress may not feel the pain felt by kids kicked off a head start or the 750,000 Americans projected to lose their jobs because of these cuts or the long-term unemployed who will be further hurt by them. But that pain is real. The American people worked too hard for too long rebuilding from one economic crisis just to see your elected officials keep causing more. Our economy is growing and our deficits are shrinking. We're creating jobs on a consistent basis. Okay, can I just check that with you, John? Is our economy growing? No, actually, what depends. If you look at government stats, you might think it's growing and the stock market is doing well for various reasons. But is our economy growing? No. Okay. Are our deficits shrinking?

52:44 I don't have the deficit data but it seems unlikely. Are we creating jobs on a consistent basis? Well here's the jobs thing that's interesting. It's been interesting ever since the disparity took place and it looks like probably mid 2009. That's when the government started rejiggering things and that's when shadow stats has an interesting phenomenon that I've never seen before and I followed the site for years. And that is the U3 unemployment started to drop in the second or third quarter, second quarter 2009 it looks as.

53:20 then U6 which is another government number has started to drop and that's a kind of an old calculation and that was way up to about 17% unemployment which is a number they don't release anymore but that's still calculated and it was and it's closer to a true number 17% and shadow stats number which is created during the is the original way of determining unemployment which means if you're gave up and you're about to shoot yourself and you're bum in the street you're unemployed The government numbers say if you're a bum and you can't get a job and you're gonna shoot yourself and you're out on the street, you're not unemployed. Let me ask you a question. Do we count as employed?

53:59 I have no idea. I don't think we do. If you're not unemployed, if you're not on a payroll, aren't you just part of the gray mass? They have other ways of getting independent contractors. Whatever the case, the true number of unemployment, let's say that we'll take the U6, which is dropping below 15 percent down to about, let's say, 14 percent unemployment. The phony number that the government releases, which is seven, seven and a half percent, is bogus nobody cares, but the shadow stats number is going still going up and is approaching 25% that's sounds more like it it's what it feels like yeah well not here Austin is not the same Austin, Texas is a jumping place because they are your governor the mofo that's right that's why everyone laughs at him the audio is mofo but I'll tell you people seem pretty happy here they have money to give away in the rain in the rain I tell you

54:56 so nobody wants to talk about any of this they know it's you know that we're at their unemployment's going down it's not going down but anyway that is how the script works and it didn't work it didn't it didn't get any play mainly because everyone was way too busy getting their dress for the for the correspondence dinner but also I mean everyone is still on the street in Boston if I look Well, Fareed Zakaria is back in the studio and of course, who was on this morning? Chertoff. Again, Chertoff. Well, he was on the Candy Show. But they got everyone still on the streets in Boston. They haven't been back to the studio. This is like, they're still trying to milk this story for everything it's worth. Meanwhile, we've got hundreds of people dying in collapsing buildings around the world. We've got drone strikes killing women and children. You know, we've got earthquakes.

55:52 Yeah, but that oh no no this is your number one story, and it's it's getting to the absurd Although look all luckily yes, go ahead. Let's but I do want to get us back up to speed I have one of the latest rundowns because ABC who is the spokeshole for the government? Yeah, they have their latest version oh now this the thing that's interesting to me about this story is that And I think people should consider this. If you watch police shows or if you listen to police or if you know police theory or if you're a criminologist, one of the things they always try to do with criminals is to separate everybody and then get them to tell the story and then they can determine whether the story is scripted because they all say the exact same thing or they contradict each other and all these sorts of things. If we turn this idea around and look at the police the same way

56:46 We see contradictions, we see scripts, we see all the indicators of criminal activity. So they keep changing the story and here's the latest from ABC. Good morning, Robin. We're getting stunning new details that just came in. Tamerlan Zaniyat's mother said he called her during the firefight with police. He said, quote, they've started shooting at us. They're chasing us. Mama, I love you. Then the phone went dead. And now you'll see and hear how the intense standoff unfolded. We've got explosives being detonated. These are the dramatic moments heard on police scanners when Watertown authorities had the deadly confrontation with the most wanted men in America. Let me ask you a question. Why are they... did he mean to hit the bullhorn but he hit the radio instead?

57:46 I have no idea. Seriously, I mean he's not just talking to command, he's yelling at the guy like, but it's on the police scanner? This is very strange behavior. It doesn't make any sense. The suspects battled police with at least five homemade bombs in the fire fight. Three exploded including a pressure cooker bomb like the ones used in the assault on the Boston Marathon. Wait a minute. So they're saying that a pressure cooker bomb exploded during this firefight? Wow. Wait a minute, here's the better part. The cop comes on, I think they have the quote on here, he discusses, he says he thinks it was a pressure cooker bomb, wait a minute, let me get this straight. He thinks, they don't know how to gather evidence? It was a huge explosion and that was the, we believe that was the pressure cooker bomb that went off. Oh please, this is video of this whole firefight.

58:43 There was no huge explosion. There were some flash bangs. The Watertown police chief told ABC's Martha Raddatz. They brought the fight to us. ABC News has learned the older brother, Tamerlan Zania, allegedly stood with the smoke swirling around him, refusing to retreat, firing away at police. were being killed in the extinct. And of course the discrepancy here is that there's lots of eyewitnesses who are saying that the police ran over him and then shot him. I mean there's huge discrepancies in this story. Turns out that the Russian government was suspicious of Tamerlan back in 2011. Even though he had been living in the US for years after coming here from that country as a child with his parents. Russian authorities feared Tamerlan was going to travel from the US back to Russia to connect with Islamic radicals they had been fighting for years. They asked the FBI to investigate.

59:37 the FBI interviewed Tamalon who at that point appeared to be living the American dream. No, I'm just getting by! A gifted boxer who wanted to fight for America in the Olympics but after looking into his phone records, websites he had visited and associates, the FBI found no ties to terrorists. So what I'd like and I would just really appreciate some transparency in this information. Could you please just show, I mean you're giving it to the press Can you please show us these phone records? There's even funnier stuff, but yeah, I agree. It's annoying. There's even funnier stuff, but there's a little bit that comes up right after where you cut it, which is perfect. You stopped it right? So I can do a little intro. Listen carefully to the next pile of crap they deliver.

1:00:21 and associates the FBI found no ties to terrorists by law FBI officials said monitoring had to stop barring new negative information the FBI was no longer watching but after Tamerlan returned from a six-month trip to Russia a dark side began to emerge he was charged in Cambridge with beating a former girlfriend started uploading violent videos urging jihad to his YouTube channel and that's why we demonize as a terrorist authorities never saw this coming. Some investigators believe Tamerlan was the leader and convinced his younger brother to embrace jihad. I will point out that in those YouTube videos where it's claimed that it's him, he's wearing a Muslim Brotherhood t-shirt. I just want to point that out. No one is mentioning that at all.

1:01:09 that it's a Muslim Brotherhood t-shirt he has on. I got something even nuttier that I picked up from... Wait a minute, let's stop. I want to analyze this little piece about the FBI. Oh, they have to stop? Yeah, they had to stop. Well, they may have had to stop a wiretap, but they monitor people for decades. Who are we kidding? Us? This is not true, obviously. No, it's not true. Whoever handed this report to Martha Raddatz, big star last night at the event, whoever handed that to her, it's bullcrap. It's made up. Here's CNN, this one slipped in, I'm not sure who approved this going on the air. All of that as we are learning more details about this investigation.

1:01:54 In a shocking revelation sources now say Zohar Sarnaev had no weapon when he was hiding in a boat and a police officer injured during the operation appears an accidental victim of friendly fire. Who approved that? Wait, who let that slip through? I don't know! In fact, I think we called friendly fire on that shooting. Yes, yes. So, you know, but he's... Like a week ago. But remember he shot himself in the throat in an apparent suicide. But he did that without a gun. So, you know, it's okay. Okay, so obviously there's tons of people and tons of, you know, all kinds of theories and things going on about who, what, why, how. This may, by the way, may be a test of really just throwing out all kinds of weird crap and seeing how it comes back into the public domain based on all these wannabe analysts. Well, one interesting thing that came back that I found fascinating is

1:02:54 This, uh, you know the uncle who came out and said these boys are losers? Losers! So, uh, he was married to a high-ranking CIA official's daughter, Graham Fuller. He was married to Samantha Fuller. Up until I think 2000 or something and you know, and it's undeniable that this fuller is you know is was is linked to Chechnya to operations there and I think it's pretty well known that The United States, whether it's CIA or just call it the State Department, we love that whole region. We've got Georgia. The airport in Tbilisi is called the George W. Bush Airport. It's on George W. Bush Boulevard.

1:03:40 It's obvious. We love this region. We own it. And that's for commerce. It's for the pipelines coming over the Caucasus. It's surrounding Russia with a little bit there. You'll remember when it was literally Georgia Our consultants, US consultants who started the aggression against the Russians, it's not in the history books that way unless you really go and read and there's admission that that's what happened. Right, we did this about three years ago and then we went and found the websites and the designers and where they're hosted and it was just bogus. And if you take a look at the map, if you take a little bit of

1:04:23 a little bit of effort and you take a look at where Chechnya is and you look at where places like Dagestan etc. You can see that this is a very strategically important, the whole region is very important for Russia, for Gazprom, for gas, but just geographically, geopolitically speaking, It's very important to own pieces of that. And so, of course, for years we've been stoking up Chechen rebels to cause havoc on the Russians. I mean, this is just what we do. It's what we do. And so this Fuller guy, whose daughter was married to the uncle, I mean, you can't just say, you can't just overlook that.

1:05:08 Say well, that's just a coincidence. You know that hasn't that I mean that has nothing to do with what's going on here We've got to look into this connection with Chechnya Yeah, why don't you start with the uncle who was married to a CIA high-ranking officials daughter and who I think? Worked for USAID which is the State Department, which is all it's all basically funding for to start bullcrap so there could be a larger thing going on acres yeah, there could be a larger thing going on with uh... in with russia etc i'm not too sure about that it still seems like there's just a lot of uh... a lot of mistakes and confusion and you get these reports that are going out and people are essentially lying and we still have the governor of the state who has not seen the video of these guys putting their backpacks down this is like the bin laden photos i mean did it get put in the same draw? it's like, well we can't show this to the public please, we've seen the video this is how television works

1:06:05 We've seen the video of these guys walking around, you know, with a complete full view, not looking shady or hiding anything. And we're told that there's video of them dropping the backpacks and the explosion goes off and they're not worried at all. They're just moseying around. But the governor has not even seen this video. And I don't understand why we can't just see it. Just show me the video. Show me that video. Yeah, I mean, why can't we see it? I mean, exactly. The reason we can't see it is because there is no video. This is bull crap. But let me play a couple of clips. Good. One is the this one here, which is this is the short clip, which is just this group. It's like this is like, I guess, some sort of proof that the one guy was it was the bomber. This is the saw his face clip.

1:06:51 Can I just give this a little shot? Jeff Bauman, who while in the hospital with both of his legs blown off, described Tamerlan's face. The only man who wasn't smiling beforehand. Everyone was having a great time and just that one guy, you know, he didn't look like he was having a good time. Now man, Dworak, you better stay inside because if you're not looking like you got a good time, if you got your jollies on, you're in trouble. I, it's just like I've been to many events where I'm not having a good time. I mean you're telling me that everybody's happy-go-lucky at the Boston Marathon? You're not even having a good... How about the losers who actually hope to win the race? You're not even having a good time right now on this very show. Geez, I thought that was really weird. Now talking about somebody not seeing videos, here's the, here, play this clip. This is the kid escapes the mad killers clip and this is

1:07:43 This reinvents the story about how the kid got away. I didn't know he was Chinese for one thing and how he escaped these crazy killers, but he But he's not there to tell us the story. It's somebody else. The carjacking victim who helped to prevent more bloodshed. Oh yeah, thank you for reminding me of this. These are all these people who we heard about but had not seen interviewed yet. It's very, very interesting. Authorities say he might have prevented the alleged Boston bombers from targeting New York Times Square next. A young man from China, just 26 years old, who asked to be called simply Danny. The older brother reaches into the window, unlocks the door, gets in, points a silver handgun at Danny. He described the 90 terrifying minutes to the Boston Globe. Did Danny feel like he was going to die? He thought that he was going to die. In that car, he listened as the two brothers talked to each other about girls, their iPhones, music.

1:08:40 The whole time fearing he would be next, Danny was trying to figure out how he could escape. The car they chose to carjack, low on gas. They pull into the gas station. The younger brother went in to pay. The older brother puts his gun down and begins working the GPS in the car. And that was the moment. I did it very fast, Danny said, using my left hand and right hand simultaneously to open the door, unfasten my seatbelt, jump out and go. The victim said he ran at an angle so when the brother grabbed his gun, it would be harder to shoot him. He hid in the closet in the gas station across the street and then called 911. Meantime tonight, another voice. The guy with the hat and the glasses, the aviators and the five o'clock shadow. Hey, so I'm looking at the Boston Globe who, I will remind everybody, at one o'clock tweeted the police are going to have a controlled detonation across from the library, which is exactly the spot where the second bomb went off. Now that's just been washed away, that whole, you know, like, whoa, that's interesting they said that two hours before it happened.

1:09:42 But to the Boston Globe in their Metro section, here's a Globe reporter Eric Moskowitz describes his exclusive interview with Danny. Oh, what the hell? The man who survived an abduction by the Marathon Bomb suspects. Let's see if we can play this. Oh, there's a little Boston Globe jingle. Let's see what's going on. Nobody can ever imagine this happening to them. By the way, this guy is 12. Eric Moskowitz is, he looks like Rand Paul only 12 years old. He's still probably someone who's been in the country as an exchange student, gone back to China and then just come back and started work, just gotten this new car. I mean it tells you a lot about Danny that he had pulled over to the side of the road to respond to a text message. You know, he didn't do it while he was driving and that's what precipitated this. He was stopped and then he ends up getting carjacked and they take him and the car and his money on this 90 minute, you know, harrowing ordeal. Carjacking has occurred in Nixon's shell.

1:10:38 Why don't we see this guy? Why can't we see Danny? Isn't Danny a hero that he thwarted them from blowing up in Times Square? He's a Chinese spy and he doesn't want to be on the air. Yeah, this is okay. This is dubious. Dubious. Yes, at best. And by the way, according to the other report, the ABC by the way, most of my clips today are from ABC. He ran across to the Shell station and hid in the closet. Oh yeah? Is that what he did? That's what he said. You tell me where you can go running into a gas station, Chinese, you know, can't speak English, I got to hide in closet.

1:11:21 Yeah, what what what call the police on him? Yeah. Well, let's not get into logic here What I would like to do is look at the so we cause whatever effect this is interesting to me how it's being used Let's start off once again with our friend representative Congress douche Peter King And Peter King is on two committees. I think he's on the Homeland Security Committee and is he on the Department of Defense Committee? I mean, he's an important guy when it comes to money that is going to be spent on putting weapons of war into the hands of our police forces and Department of Homeland Security and creating the police state.

1:12:04 And you see, you have to listen to the guy and it's just appalling. That's why intelligence is so important, to be aggressive, to be out front. Be aggressive with the slaves, be out front. Yeah, show them who's boss. That's why it's important to people if they see something, say something. Oh yeah, see something, say something. If you see something, say something. Should be buying our jingle. Chairman of the House Committee on Homeland Security. There you go. And? Which is the big one. Okay. What are you doing buying that beauty product? I'm gonna report you, citizen! I think the police, as Commissioner Kelly does in New York, are out in the communities monitoring what's happening. I know they've been criticized for it. That's how you can head off this type of, hopefully head off this type of attack.

1:13:05 So I would say you probably see a certain tightening of security, but the main thing is to get more intelligence. And that's what has to be done. Are you satisfied so far with first response and with what the federal government is doing? The FBI obviously is the lead agency. Yeah, I certainly am. The Boston Police Department is an outstanding police department. FBI, Homeland Security, ATF, they're all working on this. The President is leading it. No, this is not a time for Democratic-Republican politics. I think the President is putting in place and putting in motion the counterterrorism and anti-terrorism units we have in our country that have been developed over the last 11 and a half years. All right, what does that mean? The President is putting what in place? Anti-terrorism units?

1:13:47 that's been in development? I'm not familiar with any of this. And they're going to do an outstanding job, I have no doubt of that whatsoever. Yeah, by terrorizing citizens. And Congressman, briefly, do you think that this will lead to more cameras? I know it's controversial. Here's meme one. We need more cameras. Privacy issues. Boston does have a lot of cameras. European cities led by London have the most. are americans going to have to get used to more surveillance on a daily basis i think we do because i think privacy involves being in a private location being out in the street there's not an expectation of privacy anyone can look at you can see you can watch what you're doing the camera just makes it more sophisticated but it's no different from your neighbor looking out the window or your police officer looking at you walking down the street so i think we do need more cameras we have to stay ahead of the terrorists and i do know in new york the

1:14:36 the low Manhattan security initiative which is based on cameras, the outstanding work that results from that. So yes, I do favor more cameras and they're a great law enforcement method and device and again it keeps us ahead of the terrorists who are constantly trying to kill us. constantly trying to kill us! How come they didn't see it though? There's cameras all over the bus. How come they didn't see the guy placing the bomb in the garbage can? That's because we... Where's that clip? No John, we don't have enough! You know why we don't have enough? Because we haven't... I'm gonna tell you, everybody out there, all you people, all the businessmen out there who are thinking about doing an M&A... Just imagine having a camera on you when you leave the office, get in the limo, follow you all the way to some other company that you're visiting for some unknown reason, so you can give these Congress people and the security people some heads up on the M&A so they can invest wisely. Very wisely.

1:15:30 So, you know this is leading to one thing and one thing only and this is why they had to bring it around to New York City which was, I mean, so you're telling me this kid who apparently but didn't really, he shot himself with an imaginary gun in the throat, he can't talk but he's writing down, yeah, And we were planning on going to blow everything up in Times Square with our elbow pipe bombs, which we still had. Oh, wait a minute. No, I don't know. We blew some of those up with the Mercedes that we carjacked, even though my older brother actually owned a Mercedes. But it doesn't matter. And we ran out of gas so we couldn't do it. No, this is not true, people. The only reason we're bringing this to New York

1:16:10 Bloomberg is the guy who only two months ago said he sees no difference between a drone over New York, eye in the sky, versus cameras. That's why it's been brought to Bloomberg. Bloomberg is the guy who's going to take it from the cameras hanging around the streets to the drones. This is the go-to guy. And this is the plan. I'm not saying it was set up for this, but that's what's going on right now. No, it wasn't. That's another indication of criminal activity because the event was scripted one way, goes another and then they started ad-libbing all this stuff about them. Yes. About the, you know, they're trying to piece together a narrative that makes some sense and they can't do it. Well, so... There's too many holes in the narrative. I mean, you yourself talk about why are we hearing about the kids running? Why don't we see the video? We see videos of everything else. Why is there no videos with cameras all over Boston of them stuffing the bomb in the garbage can? Exactly.

1:17:11 There's just one, there's just way too much, there's too many loose ends, it's poorly scripted. But? We don't know anything about this and it's just, but it's obvious that something's amiss. But that doesn't mean we can't have some more fun by playing some clips from now of course we're in Boston, MIT's backyard, we've got Sherry Turkle guess a professor of social studies or something? She's very famous? Yeah. She's an idiot, okay? That could be. She's an idiot. With two experts, our two guests, CNN's national security analyst Peter Bergen, also I'm joined here in Boston. Listen to her mess up the script. The host is going to try and bring her back to the script. She gives up and just gives up and goes to the other guy. By MIT professor of social studies of science and technology Sherry Turkle, thank you both for being here.

1:18:06 Sherry, let me begin with you. It is possible to be radicalized online. We've seen it happen before. But we also know that it is more rare, that often when we see radicalization, if that is the case among these two brothers, that it often requires face-to-face contact. What is your assessment on how prevalent solely online radicalization is? Now, can we just stop here for a second? Now it's obvious that, here's how the pre-interview went, Ms. Turkle, Professor Turkle, yeah we're going to tell you that people can be radicalized just from the internet and you're going to agree with it. I mean that's, she just spent 30... Well actually that's, let's be a little more honest about how this actually works. The way it works, because it happened to me just recently as a matter of fact.

1:18:57 they call you up for a, usually it's before the, it's not like at the show because these are usually remote, so they call you up at home or someplace and they start, they talk to you about what you can talk about and one of the things they'll do is they say well we've got a guy who's gonna say this sucks and we need somebody that that says it's great. What do you think of it? They never really tell you to say anything but they tell you, they ask you in advance what do you think and you say I think it's great and they say okay we'll have your book we'll be calling you at 11 or you say no you know what I think it sucks too Oh, okay. Oh, you know, uh... Yeah, we might call you next time. Yeah, and then they just don't call you. And they go to the next person to find somebody who's going to say, based on what they talked to him about earlier, the producer calls. And you have this long conversation, and then you actually sometimes end up writing the script. I've done this a few times because I'm on one side that they really like. And so they say, yeah, what else? And then you tell them all kinds of stuff. And then they steal it!

1:20:00 Usually the host steals the material. Of course, of course. And then they ask you, do you agree with this? Yeah, I agree with it because I wrote it. But you don't say that, of course, or you won't get rebooked. Now, so there's a couple of things here that are kind of interesting, but play the rest of this clip. Well, I actually I wanted to kind of interject in there So the last time I was ever asked to be on a mainstream television appearance was 2009 And you know what that was don't you John? Oh, this is a Michael Jackson thing yes, so I was yeah you you're done You've been black balls. Do we do you want to should we play that clip just so people could play Adams clip so Why do you think that's stupid or do you know I think it's great okay? So so I had the pre-interview and the other whole thing and they wanted to ask me about Michael Jackson And then I threw something in there just by the way let's do but go back up a little more this happened

1:20:58 Before anybody suspected foul play. Oh yeah, no this was even before the funeral. You were just supposed to go, oh the poor guy was great. No, no, yeah, I worked with him. He was awesome. He really broke through. You can hear the parts of the pre-interview coming through where, you know, he was the first black artist to get real play on MTV. That was what, this was supposed to be the MTV guy talking about Michael Jackson, the Wizard of Videos, music videos, and the man who broke through the racist policies of MTV. The crew and exactly 12 seconds showed up on air and I said some really good stuff. And so then MSNBC sends me an email, hey would you like to be on? It's like, yeah, okay, I'll do your show if you give me the title is Adam Curry, you can say XMTVVJ and just put in there presidentmevio.com.

1:21:53 And it was kind of funny because this was the day, I guess it was Thursday or Friday, when they announced the big tribute at the Nokia Theater at the Staples Arena, which they kept saying over and over and over again as if these guys had benefited almost. I know that's the real name of the arenas, but jeez, it just comes across kind of eerie. and uh... said they have a location shoot their outside this press conference which was a total died by the way you know i think here's the news we're not going to tell you anything about the concert nothing about the tribute uh... but here's the mayor to tell you about how cool they are controlling the crowds and uh... and there's no more information enjoy your look live shoot so they're just trying to fill up time because they got these need you know they get all the reporters out on the scene and so i'm on for about five minutes and play a little bit of the beginning

1:22:41 And then I'll play you the real zinger I got in there at the end. She's talking to the Chris. from MSNBC is talking to the councilwoman and acting mayor of Los Angeles. Councilwoman and acting mayor Jan Perry, it's really nice of you to come over. I know it's been a busy number of days. Oh, you're so cool. Thank you. It's so hard. It's so horrible all this work you're doing. So thanks so much. It helps to get the word out. Okay, thanks so much. Thank you very much. And the word, by the way, is if you don't have one of the 17,000 tickets, don't show up. Michael Jackson and MTV could either have become an American institution without the other.

1:23:17 The 1980s witnessed the birth of music television and the transformation of Michael Jackson from superstar to global sensation. Just two years after MTV's launch, Jackson released the 14-minute thriller video, and the music changed the world forever. Forever. Listen to how I come next. I'm prepared, right? I'm gonna really get... This is so meta, John. It's double meta. I wish you would just play the interview. Well, I just grabbed the thing offline. I mean, it's coming now. Here it comes. Some say Jackson desegregated MTV and ushered in the era of elaborate and high-tech music videos. Joining us now via Skype is Adam Curry, former MTV DJ. Adam is also president at Nebo.com.

1:24:06 How cool is that? You can't hear that music playing, you can't have that video playing without stopping what you're doing and watching. Talk about the impact on popular culture of that thriller video and even earlier Michael Jackson videos.

1:24:46 Well Chris, it was really tremendous and unfortunately there's hardly a channel that plays the video in its entirety anymore. It was about 14 minutes long which of course was completely groundbreaking for the format of music video. Now listen to what I say. She talks about desegregation but I just call it. It did more. It combined conceptual footage with dance, with performance. I

1:25:24 Black faces on MTV. This was groundbreaking at the time in the mid 80s MTV was kind of you know nice enough of that now listen to the end where I sneak in a little bit of no agenda to speak which I was quite proud of She sets me up with this stupid question because he's filling time this question And by the way, we want all our listeners to do this when given the opportunity what to call into MSNBC no no it's the you know the news game they they they were they waiting for somebody to show up or they're or they're trying to wait for somebody to say something to their ear and so one of the things are extremely adept at is what I'm doing now which is just yes thank you very much shatter here we go let's listen to her stupid setup question it's about she's saying oh well you know there's so

1:26:29 So many videos, wait until it comes out on video. Yeah, and can you imagine if they release some complete videos? Because we know that these rehearsals were done in high def. There's a clue right there by the way, the rehearsals were done in high def, so of course there'll be a video you douche. That would mean in terms of just viewership to places like MTV. I mean there seems to be an insatiable appetite for this. I think that is the most important thing.

1:27:06 I know that there is breaking news about some form of uh... medical additional drugs that were found in his home i'm not quite like that i think that no one is looking at a murder angle on that at this point the smoke coming out of her ears she's like the whole all up and you can just hear the producer going

1:27:47 And so they never called again. They hung up on me, literally. Yeah, well they should have. And boy, you know, we were interrupting clips too much. Yeah, too much, I agree, too much. Jeez, that took forever. Yeah. Well, I was excited about that. No, no, I remember the show, clip interruption was kind of a high priority. We backed off on it. I apologize, I apologize. But the but the apologize for what for bigger the show in 2009. Yeah, I apologize for that I apologize for having to drag you through that again Anyway, so we did all that to interrupt this clip and here is miss Turkle who you say is very famous And she's she's going to read the script becoming more prevalent because in this new age the internet is

1:28:31 serves as a community. People find their community and their places of contact and comfort on the internet. And so I think that you're going to be able to see the internet is a place where people do become radicalized. Where you can see hours and hours of... Hours and hours. That's where people go to find their home. This is what I found interesting. So she so the woman clearly Turkle gives a horrible response She's like, yeah Well, I think that you know It's where people find their comfort and their community and this is not what they want to hear Because in the script it said there's something like you're watching hours and hours of video you're getting indoctrinated That's why the CNN host says hours and hours and she says oh, yeah hours and hours They don't even say hours and hours of what?

1:29:18 Well, there's another aspect to this that you have to consider. How, when before, Turkle's been around forever. When have you seen her before? Never, I've never seen her before ever. You've never heard of her? No. Well now you know why. And then she goes, and this was a short clip, to her other expert, this is the CNN I guess, the terrorism expert, which I think is another Brit. And I'm sick and tired of the Brits all over our news. It does not make me believe the news anymore. or any less but this seems to be a apparently you know it's like if it's a britain the news is more serious sounding or something is really very strange with the thing that's gone in and out of vogue for years okay well it's back again and and he's essentially admitting that uh... inspire magazine is a honeypot for the cia you know peter i want to talk to you about what what uh... is on this online magazine inspire and also

1:30:17 There's been questions about how it's so widely circulated, not shut down, how closely it's monitored by US authorities. What can you tell us about that? What do we know about that? Well, shutting these things down is not particularly easy because you just shut it down. You know what I love so much about this? Never shut guys down left and right! But also it's not an online magazine, it's a PDF. It's just a PDF that people, you know, you can do a million things. But yeah, no, it's not but but it's not that we don't it's not, you know, it's hard to shut it down, but we wouldn't want to you see that it pops up somewhere else and some other jihadi forum. You know, 80% of the internet traffic in the world goes through the United States. Is that true?

1:31:06 Yeah, I'd go through those four. that this kind of tension between information gathering because you can monitor these jihadi forums uh... and also uh... you know the fact that they are clearly sometimes inspiring people well and he even uses the inspire word inspiring people and then uh... my final one here is just erin burnett who just wraps it all up in a nice little bundle because Twitter equals terror. Terrorists and Twitter. Now we all know the online forum is a place where you can follow the musings of anybody in 140 characters or less and there are some frankly disgusting and awful people on Twitter. Yeah, that's the real Dvorak.

1:31:59 There's all kinds of really disgusting people on Twitter. Disgusting, I'm telling you, disgusting people. The terror groups are increasingly using it and the question now is whether Twitter is helping self-radicalized people like this suspect Boston Bombers. The self-radicalizing thing is just killing me. It's a crucial question and Dan Rivers has an out front investigation tonight. Another Brit probably. Away from the physical battlefield, terrorists are creating a virtual one on Twitter. I'm done with this. This is too stupid. But you get the point. It's self-radicalization. It can be used at this point, but the real money is going to Homeland Security, putting weapons of war into the hands of our police forces, drones overhead flying with Gorgon Stare, which is outdated by now, Gorgon Stare. But if you haven't seen it, we've been talking about this for years. I mean, it's high, high, high resolution stuff.

1:32:56 uh... you know system this is the police states guy now whatever you want to call it sold fiction becomes reality it's just it's happening just get a grip get a hold is happening good luck with that double interesting stories can if again yet good luck with all of it yeah you know i will decided that uh... you know different people can have versions of the script of the have their their contacts and they don't know they're big being fed a script and they are but i guess in new york post uh... is uh... is, play this, this is the poor guy who was accused of being the bag man and it seems to me that, there's a long story about this guy, I'm only going to tell you a little bit about it but the big question is never asked, which seems to me to be the question that comes to mind. They're going to talk about who they're looking for and exactly where they are. Is this the New York Post off script? Yeah. Oh okay, play it.

1:33:49 Okay, I'll back it up. I have no idea what's wrong with it, but happens they're gonna talk about who they're looking for and And exactly where this investigation stands and we're gonna hold that carry that news conference live So nobody else gonna miss a single development in this case Janet Napolitano was talking today about all the various mistakes that have been made in reporting this story Well imagine being a 17 year old high school student and seeing your picture on the cover of the New York Post described as a bag man in an article about the marathon bombing. Salah Barun did. You saw the picture circled in red. It was also all over social media yesterday. But guess what? He didn't do it. Now the police have cleared his name, which by the way, didn't make his day any easier. Everywhere I go, just like I just don't want to look at people because when they look at me, they're going to be like, oh, you just did this. How could you do that? Why would you even do that?

1:34:49 Yeah, now, which is a little that little clip at the end by the way is a is a evergreen if you think about it. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Nobody ever asked if he's gonna sue the paper. Oh no, no, no, you can't do that. Big time. No, this is America. You can turn that around into a reality show. You cannot... That's the advice he's getting. The last clip I want to play, which is the railroading clip, is... I listened to this clip and one of the things, you know, we get... I think we've done a better job of this over the years in time, is you start to... you get the bigger picture from the clip You first should say this clip is this is terrible what they're doing to this woman. This is how they're there. They take the wife of Tamerlane

1:35:33 Who's smoking hot by the way. She's very pretty and they discuss what problems she might have in a legal sense and when I first heard the clip I said this is douchey. All we have is ABC, there's ABC again, which makes more sense when you think about the interpretation of this clip. ABC is going on what bad things can happen to her if she doesn't play ball. I realize that this is actually a warning shot over the over the bow to this woman specifically to to Not on that play ball the way they're talking about but play ball the way the script says ah And if you listen to this, this is the worst. This is the most threatening disgusting report I've heard on ABC for a long time they they run this woman and

1:36:23 as though she's a criminal. Now listen to this and think about how terrible it is that they're doing this. Meanwhile her lawyer told the Associated Press that she never suspected anything and that in fact she learned that he was a suspect by seeing it. yet on TV. Robin? Alright, Gio, thank you. For more we're going to bring back our GMA legal analyst Dan Abrams. What we know now about Katherine Russell is that she is not in custody. So what does that tell you how authorities view her? Nothing yet because let's even assume for a moment, we don't know this to be true, let's assume for a moment that the authorities are suspicious of her. They want to gather as much information as they can first. If they take her into custody, they then immediately have to read her Miranda rights, she becomes an official suspect, these kinds of rights kick in. No need to do that right now. They want to gather as much information as they can at this point before making any decisions. And there's been no evidence that she knew anything about the bombings?

1:37:14 If she did, what does she face? Knowledge alone typically wouldn't be a serious crime. In this case, the authorities would figure out a way. Either an accessory, aiding and abetting. At the very least, it is still a federal crime if you know about a felony. It's a crime that is almost never used. But they could charge her for actively concealing the crime if she knew about it. had nothing to do with it wasn't involved in it but concealed it they could charge her with that crime only faces up to three years in prison for something like that what about spousal privilege even though her husband is dead uh... she could still say uh... i'm not going to disclose confidential conversations that my husband and i had while he was alive and she's allowed to say that and she's allowed to not testify about those but i can assure you that if she says you know what

1:38:06 I'm going to invoke spousal privilege here. The next thing the authorities are going to say is, okay, no problem. Here are the list of crimes that we're considering charging you with. Aiding and abetting, accessory. They will then add a long series of crimes which could be very, very serious. Some of them as serious as the crimes he's facing. I think that these authorities are going to play a sort of no-nonsense with her if they get that kind of response. Absolutely. All right, Dan. Thanks, Paul. Absolutely, yeah absolutely. That's great. Okay guys, great analysis. That is disgusting. That was one of the most disgusting things I've heard on the media for probably the last two or three years. And it was a threat, it was onerous, it was, there were implications, it was a disgusting report. ABC should be ashamed of

1:38:56 of themselves for even running anything like that. And when you think about it... She's innocent until proven guilty. They just made her a guilty person on the show. But they could easily say, and I would really appreciate it if they did, if they said, you know, there's this podcast called The No Agenda Show. and these guys they predicted that something was going to happen so they could be accomplices they could be you know they had knowledge and they what if they knew something in advance Bill yes a federal well there could be all kinds of federal crime yeah that's right if they dare just to say that they're married if they dare try pulling that stunt oh no married stunt oh no she's in for big trouble

1:39:39 Oh man, anyway that message to her is this, I hear they play this and say look everyone's in on this. You better go along. You do what we tell you to do and everybody's happy. Exactly. So whatever we get from her is going to be meaningless. And they didn't use her Muslim name interestingly enough, which she supposedly has now. What is your Muslim name? I have no Muslim name. X. X. Hey, let's lighten the mood here a little bit. Adam's gonna read his email. Adam's gonna read his email. Adam's gonna read his email. On the No Agenda Show. Yeah, that's right. We never got the name of the school from the bullying email?

1:40:29 Oh yeah we did. Oh you did? Okay, well you look that up and I'll read the email. Actually I have a printout. Okay, I shall read the email. We're not reading his name because he asked specifically. Yeah, actually we're not gonna, he asked me if I was gonna say the name of the school. I'm gonna look into this a little more before I discuss the school. But I do have the school's name and everything. Okay. So I got most of that. Hello Adam and John. This was actually not just Adam's email, it's Adam and John's email. I'm 16 and we had asked, we had solicited this type of communication. Right, we'd like to have more by the way. Especially 16 year olds who listen to this program, this is a very, very good trend. We have one.

1:41:08 Hello Adam and John. This is a whole gap. We have like two-year-olds who love who love our see something say something jingles and milf. It's very disturbing. And there's a whole bunch of nothing. So 16 is kind of the sweet spot. Hello Adam and John. I'm 16 and at my school we have a day of silence for victims of bullying. We are asked to sign a contract to be silent for a whole day. We also have random drug testing every month and up until the last up until last every three months while class was going on we would have an order over the school intercom also known as the big void the giant voice system training to take our book bags and put them in front of our lockers. When we arrived back at class we were told by our principal over the intercom to go into a lockdown drill.

1:41:57 While we are hiding in the corner of our classrooms, our bags are being searched and sniffed by drug dogs. This is mind-boggling to me. That this is happening in America. This level of slave training is just beyond me. Well, there's another thing. I'm going to combine that. Do you have any more email you want to read? Yeah, I got a couple emails. Oh, okay. We'll finish that. But actually, before you do that, let me interrupt and add a little to what this guy said by playing this clip because then I have a little bit of analysis after you play the bulletproof backpacks clip. Okie dokie.

1:42:40 Well, since the Sandy Hook tragedy, keeping children safe from gun violence is top of mind for many communities. It's certainly understandable, but now there is a controversial new option for parents to consider, bulletproof backpacks for their kids. Here's 7 On Your Side's Michael Finney with more on this. This is really happening. Yeah, binders, pencils and rulers are on most back-to-school shopping lists. Now some parents are adding bulletproof backpacks. But is pint-sized armor going to fall? This is an ordinary school day for Dimitri Boykin and his four-year-old daughter, Jaliyah. So this is Superwoman's cape? Ordinary, except for this brand new backpack, which is bulletproof. Despite the girly pink fabric and pretty patterns adorning it, this backpack offers military-grade protection against bullets. It costs about $300 and is made in Colombia. If they were to come in your classroom with any guns, you put this on...

1:43:37 and this would stop the bullets. The Boykins live in Aurora, Colorado. Yeah, I remember this a big thing when that all happened. So we got the kid with the lockdown drills and all the rest of it at the 16 year old, the highest going, then we have terrorizing this little girl who's actually kind of blase about it. This is very much to me, I think an extension and I think it's been going on in different forms, but they, I think they're revisiting the fifties where they terrorize the kids with duck and cover. duck and cover and a bomb, air raids and they had the sirens going off. The siren still goes off every Friday in San Francisco, the air raid siren. Giant voice system. And the giant voice system. And all this is, and the giant voice system I think is part of the same argument. That they're putting the kids, the students especially, into a state of terror. Yes. The same way they did to, because it's a great control mechanism.

1:44:34 Although I think you know the results of the 50s of duck cover stuff turned out to be the 60s Which was the you know the protests and the anti-war and all the rest so they may be You know they may be barking up the wrong tree with this this this technique well, I think at some point people get I they see through it. But whatever the case is, this is a disgusting trend and this kid in this high school, our 16 year old contact, it's ridiculous and the fact that this isn't being discussed more is beyond me. Well this brings me to a very nice segue. Based upon your recommendation, and you only have to say it to me once, I read Michael Crichton's State of Fear

1:45:15 And the e-book of State of Fear, I purchased it on Kindle, has three transcripts of three of his speeches that he did at various universities. And these are so good, these speeches, where he literally refers to the duck and cover, because he was a child of the duck and cover era, or so he states. He was. Yeah. And so he talks about the nuclear winter that was supposed to kill us and you know the fires. Remember the fires of Kuwait and Iraq in the early 90s. Oh right, that's when Carl Sagan, our great... Carl Sagan, the great scientist, yes. He's confident it's going to create a nuclear winter because...

1:46:04 I remember watching this on television as Sagan went on with his bull crap, you know, the great Sagan, and he's supposedly a physicist, I guess, on top of his astronomy. Whatever the case was that... He's holy, John. He's holy. You cannot go... He's holy, holy, holy. It's true. You cannot go anywhere, like, you cannot go on This Week in Tech and say the guy was full of crap. You can't do that. You'll get banned. Yeah, you'll get a bunch of flack, which is the way this works. And then Crichton discusses this. So, let me finish this thing. So anyway, I watched this and then one of the news outlets brought on some real physicist with a computer model and the guy comes out and says this is total bullcrap. There's no way under any circumstances that that smoke can get to this level by anybody's calculations. He obviously doesn't know what he's talking about. And did this guy get scolded as an idiot, a denier, a pseudoscientist?

1:46:58 Nope. Okay. So this book is so good and it goes right into and I'm just going to spoil some of it for you right away just because it is you have when you don't have to read the book. In fact, when we have our little two-show vacation, we're not actually going to go on vacation, we are going to have some stuff for you. I'm going to do at least one reading of one of these Michael Crichton speeches because it is so powerful and so good. Michael Crichton is a hero to many science nerds, which of course is why they hated him so much when he came out with this book. And the book is great because

1:47:36 It has all the statistics and all of the graphs and all the charts that he refers to in this fictional story are the actual charts and is the actual data. He has footnotes to everything, you know, so it really is the true facts of the global warming slash climate change hoax, which is I mean, so this whole story even has these nut jobs exploding pieces of iceberg to get it to drop off at the moment of a an abrupt climate change conference. I mean, it's so beautifully done. No wonder they had to kill him in 2008. I mean, it's so obvious. And they did. And this is so good. I am that we so we have and I need to talk to you about this after the show. We have a dinner party here. So it's the brain scientist and his lovely wife.

1:48:27 and it's Lori Frick, the transhumanist, the transhumanist artist, and her husband Mark, and he's an accountant, but he's like a cool accountant, rock and roll accountant, and I have to cook. So, I'm gonna need some help with that because now I'm cooking for six people and I'm very worried. No, it's no big deal. Okay. But I'm thinking during dinner I'm gonna do a reading from the book because you know that these are all like Obama bots. This is perfect. I just like to do a little reading from Michael Crichton. You've heard of Michael Crichton? Did you enjoy Jurassic Park? Did you like that? Yeah, it was great. We're gonna see arms folded. It's my prediction. In one of the red books. Arms will be folded.

1:49:11 I've mentioned this to miss Mickey and she's like no, please no Do that because I like these they're very kind I like them a lot, but it's just like I think smoke will come out of their orifices Anyway, so yeah, you'll help me with with cooking for six people cuz I'm so worried about this I'm very worried. All right two more quick emails Dear Adam, I just finished listening to the last episode of No Agenda. I really liked your analysis overall, but I think you missed the most important point on the Forget Your Password initiative. The reason why the government is pushing it is they have all your biometrical information, of course, and I think we know that. When you get a new passport, for example, they say they have a biometrical picture in your fingerprints, at least here in Germany. This is from John Jacob from one of our German supporters. But here's the part that I wanted to read.

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1:50:53 And he has the hacienda there and like the... Oh right, right, right. He's got the hacienda. He's got the place we can go visit. Yeah, and so the X-Impulse in the chat room was saying, dude, this guy is 100% evil. He says you can't be accepting donation from him. In fact, he says, and this is why I wanted to read this, sorry Adam, but Gow, Robert Gow, he used to run Zapata, which was George W. Bush's fake oil company. So that's how, you know, this somehow, this, you know, this falk works for him, and therefore his money's no good.

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1:53:46 Hmm. Which tells you something. Something's up. But whatever the case is, the picture is captioned, Air Force Colonel Jonathan Ellis 307 Bomb Wing Commander Coins. Oh. Air crew prior to their leaving. Ah. Ortsdale Air Force Base. Ah. And I believe that most people who read this would say, what does that mean, coins? Well, we know. Apparently it gave them all a coin to commemorate this event. I'm looking at these challenge coins and there's four diamonds in it. Real diamonds? It could be diamonds. They're little stones? Yeah, if you google NSA challenge coin, it's the 60 years of excellence coin. It's also available on eBay. Yeah, defending our nation is in between two little diamond eeks and securing the future.

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2:02:01 Rock Center with Brian Williams had a one-minute piece with Chelsea Clinton interviewing the Geico gecko on the news. You're kidding. Here it is. Hi Gecko, thanks so much for answering our questions. Oh, thank you Chelsea. Look, sorry I couldn't be there in person, but I'm out on the road promoting my new book, You're Only Human. Shameless plug there. I completely understand. Now Gecko, do people recognize you on the street?

2:02:38 Actually, Chelsea, I mean people don't usually notice me on the street because I'm only 6.9 inches tall. I spend most of my time just trying not to get stepped on. But I do get better tables at restaurants than I used to. Is there a downside to all this fame? Well, it seems the more famous you are, the more likely someone is to dig up your old yearbook photos. And look what we dug up. Oh, you're showing this, aren't you? Seriously, Chelsea, I thought we were friends. Oh, no, I'm going to remember this. I just couldn't resist. Well, it's been great talking with you and I wish you the best of luck on your book tour. Oh, thank you, Chelsea. No, it's been great chatting with you. Cheers. Is that disgusting or what? All right, well, you have to assume that it was a paid advertisement. You think? One minute paid advertisement, which means Chelsea Clinton's already corrupt.

2:03:30 But it wasn't presented as such. It was presented as, I don't know if you can call it editorial, but it was presented as content. I think this is gonna because of the nature of what's happening to the media and the DVRs and the on-demand and the Netflix and all the rest I think this is all we're gonna see. I think they're just experimenting right now. I think the Taco Bell thing was that which was eight minutes. That was the most disgusting we've ever seen. That had to be paid for. Although I think it's still a make good based on the other thing, but it's one, it's an inch away from just being here's this check, give us a piece. So all these places are essentially corrupt already. I wish we'd been proving week after week for, I don't know, years. But that's terrible. So, you know, well, we could be doing that though. How did Brian come out of that? No, I don't have that. I think it went straight into commercial.

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2:06:07 And we have one knighting and a title. And the title is, this is from Sir Gene. He has chosen his title. Remember we had this whole conversation about the sheriff and everything, John, and you as a peerage officer have approved. So we have this title which he would respectfully wants it done properly. Sir Gene, Baron de Marriott, Sheriff Protector of Tejas. Sounds reasonable. He is the Baron of the Marriott, de Marriott. I think he stays at most of the Marriott's. He probably gets a lot of points. Maybe he gets some extra points. Well, remember when we were on the Hot Pockets tour, he put us up in the Marriott on his points. Oh, he's a points guy. There's a lot of people that just, they travel and they're just, they're real dedicated to these points. So they'll stay at one hotel chain. And the Marriott's one of the ones they stay at. They must have a good program. Yeah, they do. Worldwide, I'm sure it's pretty good.

2:07:04 Let's see. Actually if you go into... Oh never mind. Let's do this first and I'll tell you my story. Okay. John Harrison, step forward sir. Thank you very much. And your accounting checks out. We are very happy to welcome you to the roundtable. Do nice. And of course, you can always bring your lovely wife Sherry and have her hang out at the table if you want to. So in the... Here we go! We hereby pronounce thee Sir John Harrison Knight of the No Dinner Round Table. And for you sir, of course, hookers and blow, rep boys and chardonnay, hot pants and booze, long-haired heavy metal guys and scotch, wenches and beer, rubanesque women and rosé, gushes and sake, vodka and vanilla, bong hits and bourbon, sparkling cider and escorts, and if you are hungry, mutton and mead.

2:07:48 Lovely. Thank you so much for your support of the best podcast in the universe. It is highly appreciated and everyone else Please please please please help us out for Thursday show Devorah org slash na so the Marriott the Marriott Which is kind of like a middle in hotel chain. It seems to me in the US is like top drawer in Asia I mean if you go to the Marriott in Singapore or the JW Marriott in Singapore, these places that are in Asia, they're dynamite. They're building a new one here in Austin. It's going to be huge.

2:08:29 I mean they have that huge one that horrible looking one my favorite one which is the I think it's still a Marriott because you know these things are like trading cards now so these hotel chains buy and sell them amongst themselves I can manage it better okay here's manage it better as that big giant Marriott over in San Francisco that's got that funny looking top it looks like a giant jukebox yeah I've told this story before I'm gonna tell it again when they were building that thing I was with Mimi walking down the street that's the it was sixth or whatever that street is or fifth or fourth and there's a church there and there's a the building was was we're approaching the building and there was a broken sewer pipe between the buildings next to the oh I remember this story wow it's been years and the Marriott and we looked down in this sewer pipe and there were rats

2:09:22 Hundreds of rats running like crazy through the sewer pipe toward that that hotel. It was pretty gruesome I mean right I'm sure there's no rats in the hotel, but just saying yeah the first time you told it four years ago was a little better I'm not quite sure what you left You know these stories that get watered down in time I Maybe my storytelling is lacking lackluster. So I want to talk about Syria for a moment Because this will come back onto the radar and I think it'll be this week and it's been very interesting reading the official The official word coming out of the White House there was a you know there there is a real official document and it seems like the the White House really wants to do a Libya move they really want to have the UN they want the no-fly zone and

2:10:13 uh... and so it's being pushed very very hard by primarily that i think the washington post uh... and and was reporting on israel and so the way this is breaking down is israel is saying that they have proof that chemical weapons are being used i have a just a couple clips just to accentuate this and i have some thoughts on it and uh... some uh... inside information on uh... unreported information to say on troop movements david what evidence are the israelis offering that the syrians used chemical weapons Marcus, they've been a little bit vague about what the nature of their evidence is. Some of it is clearly photographic from what we were told today. They say they saw people frothing at the mouth and so forth, which can be a symptom of using sarin gas, but it can also be a symptom of other things.

2:11:15 they maintain that there was other evidence as well what they call direct evidence but they wouldn't say whether or not that meant that they had soil samples or they were able to do direct examination of some of the victims. This is all bull crap, there's nothing here in this report. And you know who this is? This is the New York Times, John. This is on their website. This is the New York Times. They gossip rag. Here's Dutch Ruppersberger, what is he? Is he a member of the house? I think so. Let's see what he has to say. Oh, this is very funny actually. So he comes out of his confidential meeting, I guess he chairs the committee, and Dana Bash

2:12:00 Who, uh, Dana Bash is like a really- She's like a really, really, really, really ugly Molly Wood. Because Molly Wood is- What? No, she's just a moron. and you know but he has eyes that big she's like you know she's like the reverse of Mollywood is cute and sexy and smoking and this is like Dana bash like looked at Molly said I want to look like that and tried to do it but can't pull it off because she's just I mean weird looking very very weird and so she's like CNN CNN over here see me and Rappaport he immediately is like CNN where's Fox I was supposed to do Fox you know these guys are such whores

2:12:42 Where's Fox? I was supposed to go on. Yeah, where's Fox? I was supposed to be on. Oh well, oh well, I'll have to do C. You guys got no ratings, but okay. Oh, how are you all? Hiya, how? Question, are you the... What are you learning? we do bring together the other countries we need to work as a team uh... like we did in libya and we brought the arab league involved and it was NATO involved it's the same situation here i would say though that you hear what he's saying you hear what he's saying? I think it's very important for us to

2:13:39 Continued to talk to Russia because I think Russia could really play it again. Oh, yeah No, he says it right there He says it right there and I can back that up with some inside Like we did in Libya and then we brought the Arab League involved in this nature involved. Oh, okay, so It's the same situation here. I would say though that I think it's very important for us to continue to talk to Russia because I think Russia could really make a difference in helping to resolve this serious, terrible situation where people are being killed every day. Yeah, okay. So a couple of things. First of all, I have on high authority that all the Patriot missiles in the Gulf are now being moved to Jordan. Jordan, of course, you know, we've been told 200, maybe 200 dudes will send a couple of troops out there. Now it's 20,000.

2:14:24 And the guy running the show in Jordan currently is retired US Major General Gary Harrell. And he has been training the King Abdullah II Special Operations for several years now. This is a huge operation, this is like Blackwater. And so the attack is going to come from Jordan and there'll be some provocation, but it's really our advisors or our consultants, because Russia is never going to go along with this. Russia will not go along with it. So there has to be some kind of, well, we can call it a false flag, but there has to be some kind of provocation where Jordan will have to attack Syria, but it's not really Jordan. It's really the United States.

2:15:12 Now here's the problem that I... it doesn't work in my mind and you don't agree with me on this John, but I don't understand being a child who grew up with the threat of the neutron bomb. Do you remember the neutron bomb? Yeah, the neutron bomb. What was the thing of the neutron bomb? Well, a neutron bomb is essentially a fusion device that produces, it doesn't produce a normal type of explosion, it releases mostly neutrons instead of gamma radiation, I think is what private bombs do. Right, well, the way I was taught. But anyway, it kills everybody but it doesn't destroy the buildings. Exactly, exactly.

2:15:55 And it was seen as something very scary, and of course everyone was going to have one. I remember there was a whole thing, we can't have neutron bombs. I don't understand the logic. I remember the era, it was a big stink. made about the neutron bomb mostly by the left saying that it was a terrible idea because it would encourage people to drop the bomb because it doesn't it's not destructive in the way it is destructive where it hits but it's not widely destructive like a regular... You see, this is what I don't understand and I'm gonna say it again and you're gonna go against it

2:16:32 I don't understand why things like the neutron bomb and chemical weapons are the red line. So let's just presume that it's true, because now the number is 80,000, that's what John McCain says, that the Assad regime has now killed, slaughtered 80,000 people. But look at the rubble. You know, I think it should be the other way around. You know, it's like, hey, you want to kill your own citizens with chemical weapons? Okay, you know, but if you're going to start ruining the place, that's really destructive. You know, killing people, whether you kill them with bombs that blow stuff up, or whether you kill them with chemical weapons, you're killing people.

2:17:17 I don't understand why chemical weapons all of a sudden is a red line, is so horrible. Can you explain to me why that is worse than blowing people's houses up? Can you explain that to me? Yeah, because chemical weapons, there's a number of the reasons you don't want to use them because you can't control them very easily. But is there a horrific way to go? No, it's like why don't we torture them first and then kill them essentially is what chemical weapons does. Well, what, so having, you know, being blown in half and dying slowly? You can dodge a bullet. You can take defense action if you have the chance. Have you seen the so-called YouTube videos from Syria? These are like car bombs, everything, people are blown to bits. Come on!

2:18:00 If you're blown to bits, at least you're not suffering. No, of course you're suffering. You don't die immediately. Everything's blown off and you're laying around. Now it's like the whole family will be gone together. Most of these arguments aren't very kosher either. I'm sorry. If you're killing people anyway... Well, that would be the logic of a Hitler. They're going to get killed anyway, so let's keep the property so we don't lose our property values. Yes! This is what I don't understand. It's like why you're it's a classic capitalistic dilemma. Why is it a red line? Why why is that the red line? Why is why? Doesn't have to be it just is no, but it is why are we said line draw a red line? I can allow this Yeah, but why do we settle for that as the red line isn't like killing people in general a red line if we're gonna be honest about it

2:18:55 Yeah, if you want to really be honest about that is absolutely true, but it's not that but it's not to kill people But you know but but with messier it's way too efficient about it. We just gamma-ray everybody Truck down the street with his with these devices and just whacked everyone who's done the streets you can do that This, anyway, it just makes no sense to me. I'm all for chemical weapons. I think if you're going to kill people, kill them with chemical weapons. And to me, it would be the opposite. I'm all for chemical weapons. Quote Adam Curry. Yes. And it's a booster and the neutron bomb. And, you know, if you're going to kill people anyway, don't make a mess of it. Don't make a mess of it. You have to actually listen to that in overall context and realize that it's it sounds like the ravings of an insane maniac.

2:19:46 Well, okay, I'm just calling it as it is. It makes no sense to me that this, oh, this is, oh, chemical weapons, oh, he's gonna kill people and they're gonna froth at the mouth, well, that's bad, instead of blowing them to bits. This is the hypocrisy that I don't understand. Like, oh, you know, we just keep on going like, oh, whatever. You know, it's 80,000, if you believe it, oh, 80,000 people are slaughtered. No one gives a crap here. Like, oh, but chemical weapons, well, no, this, oh, that's a red line. This is, it's hypocrisy to me. That's why I say it.

2:20:22 And you're just as hypocritical as the rest. No, no, it's not hypocritical at all. You think it's not targeted, generally speaking, if you shoot somebody, you're targeting them. So you're actually, you know, there's a bad guy, I'm going to shoot him. Chemical weapons just doesn't pay attention to any of that. It just kills everybody. Women, children. Right. And the bombs don't? The bombs are you know they do but it's always it RPGs IEDs, LMNOPs. I'm not saying that they don't, I'm just saying that in the scheme of things chemical weapons are worse than bombs in terms of just killing you know worse than what? Worse than what? This is my point. It's not targeted it's just killing people for the sake of killing them.

2:21:09 Well, isn't that what we've been told for two years? That Assad is just killing people for the sake of killing them? Yes, which is why we expect him to use chemical weapons, at least in the script. And I don't think he'll do it. I think it's, I think it is bogus. I think it's going to be us. Through the Jordanians. Or maybe there'll be... I don't know how they're going to work the Jordan thing out to make that work. I think it's a red line for a different reason. I agree with you. I think it's in play and I've been watching this. I've been watching a lot of overseas news broadcasts from mostly Australia and which is really stooge news if anybody has it.

2:21:50 and they actually I think they broke the because it was like last week or even when we did the last show or just before there were no uses of chemical weapons in Syria no no no everything intelligence guy said no the Syrians said no then all of a sudden I hear on the Australian news chemical weapons have been confirmed and the script was changed and then I turn on art and within a few hours it starts to show up here and I think why did they change the script all of a sudden to now chemical weapons have been used we think even though there's absolutely zero evidence of it so some videos. fire and so now it's like and now I hear this about Jordan which doesn't surprise me because there was ink that there was indications a week or two ago about Jordan having a military buildup so now I'm thinking what this is gonna be interesting I can't I don't see a script plot point going that way but well here's the lot here's the logical thing about chemical weapons in this case we lose out

2:22:54 There's no money to be made in chemical weapons. You gotta have the smaller stuff. It's a much bigger sale. And it's also better if you blow up the buildings because you have the construction companies. Contractors, thank you. The contractors, they gotta rebuild. Thank you. Now, I'll never speak of it again. And the other way, the nukes. No money. There's no money. It creates a bunch of rotting flesh everywhere. stinks yeah thank you we figured it out now I know now I know what's going on now I understand that makes total sense we can't have Brechtel and all these companies going in Bechtel we can't have them Brechtel it sounds like a new hair salon company no it's a it's a new play

2:23:42 No, we can't have Halliburton rebuilding everything. There's no rebuilding to be done. So this, now I understand why it's a red line. It's like, hey, you want to kill your people? Great. Blow them up so that we can come in and we can rebuild your entire country the way we want it with our companies. and we'll bring you that big check. The way we did Kuwait. But don't just like kill your people and just leave us like, oh we did like one bulldozer. This is no good. We can't make any money that way. Now I understand. How's this gonna play out that Jordan's gonna get some hop? Okay so all I know is that I got the this information about retired General, Major General Gary Harrell and the Patriot missiles being moved to Jordan. This is coming from one of our

2:24:31 military industrial complex contacts and he's been right on every about everything you know I'm talking I'm looking at the Supreme Headquarters Allied Powers Europe do you see the guy on the Segway no I haven't seen the Segway picture but I got a picture of this Alan character he just looks like an operator. Oh yeah, oh yeah. Well he's been training everyone. And here he is, he's hanging out with Jordanian Special Operations Forces Center Director Brigadier General Shane Katanai and he presents the Supreme Allied Commander Europe Admiral James Starvitas with a plaque after

2:25:14 Stavridis, Stavridis, Stavridis first visited the center and this has been going on since October 2010. It's a Jordanian connection in this guy. Yeah, oh yeah, so Jordan has been, this has been well planned. Oh yeah, now this has been going on. That means this is a beauty. And it's going to be big. But it's going to be totally, it's going to be Arab League, and then I think what will happen is you'll have a strife, you'll have something go on between Jordan and Syria, and then that'll be a reason for NATO to do the whole no-fly zone and everything, and they're just going to cut Russia out of the deal. Because it'll be true attacks and everything. Is Jordan in the United Nations, by the way? Sure. Yeah, makes sense, right? You sure?

2:26:00 Yeah, I don't know look. I'm just asking. I mean there's very few countries that aren't right So that's all you need all you need you don't even need a security resolution then at that point because then you go straight to article 5 and You know boom you're good to go. I don't think they need permission from from cast KSOTC, which I would think would be something to do with the over-the-counter market. King Abdullah Special Operations Training Center. A facility that specializes in latest counter-terrorism special ops and irregular warfare tactics. Oh yeah, that's like asymmetric. Irregular, asymmetric. It may or may not be.

2:26:40 Asymmetric is an overall style, it's not a tactic. Well I guess it is a tactic. It is, totally. It's located in Amman, Georgia. Georgia, Jordan. HRM condones vision for making Jordan home to the International Counterterrorism Training Center of Excellence. became a reality. It opened to stores in 2009, May 19th, which is a date to remember. And, uh, hmm. Okay. Well, this will be interesting. Put it in the book because... It's in the book. It's in the book. The chatter on my device has heated up. The chatter. I've got chatter and it has heated up. By the way, 11.750 I think is the frequency. 11.750 megahertz. No, 11.175 megahertz.

2:27:27 is where you can hear like the Air Force and stuff. There's all kinds of cool frequencies to listen to on USB. And you can hear them, you know, like positioning stuff in the Middle East if the conditions are right. It's pretty cool. That's not where I get the information from, but you know, I'm just... I did get that frequency from that. I'm just sitting in my shack pointing my antenna all over the place. Never stops. There's the information to be had nobody uses encryption well You know no one's talking about Jordan, but I so why just put it in there. They've been this been a no no no No one has said there will be some kind of attack against Jordan or something no one is saying that that's for us We are yeah, I have two things left, but I want to leave it open for you Let me do a segue here. Yeah

2:28:19 I got a kick out of this story. I think this is from the Midwest, maybe Montana. Oh, I have the same story. The cheerleader hit list? Oh no, no, that one I don't have. Oh, can I play it? The first thing that crossed my mind was going and dragging the kids out of school. It's a phone call Jim Bishop wasn't expecting. And they're calling you saying, you know, there's a hit list at the school. That's pretty scary. Fennel County investigators tell us two students, an eighth grader here at Walker Butte and a tenth grader at Poston Butte High, both cheerleaders, created a hit list of students they didn't like. And I have three kids in both schools. In total, nine students who attended Walker or Poston plus a teacher were named. They had notified

2:29:03 the parents of the kids on the hit list. Which definitely made Jim feel much better. Obviously my kids weren't on it. The school district was notified after a parent found a post on Instagram. That's pretty serious, you know, when you're threatening other kids. But the girls told investigators they never intended to harm anyone. They better take it seriously. In Pinell County, Navita Fergani, ABC 15 News. What is this? I mean, give me a break. This is dumb. This is what goes on in the Midwest. It's like these girls, a couple, and by the way that 16 year old's report about this high school is showing you where this is all headed. This is becoming a ridiculous situation in American schools. These girls are like any other dipshit cheerleaders, and there's plenty of them out there. She's not on our list. Probably among the elite, you know, popular girls who made a list of the dorks they don't like. Yeah.

2:29:57 And they made a list, they actually published it and showed up on Instagram. We don't like these people. And it probably did say something like hit list because you don't want to talk to them. And they made a stink out of it. It's just like kids, you know, these kids. But this is not just the Midwest, this is now in the Netherlands. Of course, everyone's all in jitters because we have the big abdication celebration coming up in two days, on the 30th of April. And so now we have the Queen stepping down on Queens Day, which is already crazy. And then we have our new Prince Pils, our beer prince, stepping in. He'll be drunk, no doubt. It'll be fun to watch. And so everyone's all like, ooh. And on 4chan, twice now, someone has said, oh, I'm going to go shoot up the school. And they're now doing lockdowns of Dutch schools.

2:30:49 And, uh, and, oh yeah, we don't have guns in Holland, by the way. I don't understand why everyone's so afraid because, you know, this is not America. You don't have no one that they're not like AR-15s all over the place. Oh, I'm sorry. No, they only have, uh, machine guns that the, uh, the criminals are shooting each other up with, but okay. But now instead of lone wolves for the 30th of April, now they're talking, they have a term now in the Netherlands, Gitmo nation lowlands called eenzaam gekke. Which translated directly means lonely crazies and that is there That is now that is their version of the lone wolf and they are expect they've talked to many people Already who they have to be lonely? Yes, lonely crazies, and they've got that's gonna include a lot of old maids in this country. Yeah, yeah, but they've gone out and there and it's basically pre-crime and

2:31:43 They're out there checking the lonely crazies. We've had discussions with several who we thought are crazy enough that they could just go and do something nuts. So we may have to lock a few up if we are suspicious of them. This is very, very bad. This is the way it goes. This is what's happening. Now my favorite clip of the week. Is the lesbians in the school that's the one I had to yeah, let's play that some red hook New York middle school parents are outraged after their daughters were forced to pretend to be lesbians in front of the classmates the Linden Avenue Middle School anti-bullying campaign focused

2:32:22 on homosexuality and gender identity. Parents say their daughters were embarrassed by the role-playing. Parent Mandy Kuhn told reporters, quote, she told me, mom, we all get teased and picked on enough. Now I'm going to be called a lesbian because I had to ask another girl if I could kiss her. Coon says parents were given no warning of the event and no choice to opt out. School administrators defended the workshop and say they're planning more. I want to opt out of the lesbianism please. So I looked into this a little bit. Can I just play my clip so it's a different report? Exact, exact, exact same words. Exact same words. I said to stop it.

2:33:06 Some red hook New York middle school parents are outraged after their daughters... Do you hear that? It's the exact same words, John. No, it's the exact same clip. No, it's not. Yeah. I don't think so. Yeah, it is. No. ...were forced to pretend to be lesbians in front of... Really? ...the classmates. Yeah. The Linden Avenue Middle School... Are you sure it is? Your clip is different than mine in this regard. For one thing, it's equalized differently. But you have that same little end of that guy, you didn't clip it off. Have the same thing they got the end before it the very I don't have a guy you got a little guys cut off It sounded different, I'm sorry yes equalized anyway you look you looked into it

2:33:48 So I looked into a little bit, and it's only a brouhaha between a bunch of Christian churches who got wind of this and the gay community. And so if you read both sides, apparently it was like an exercise where you're supposed to ask somebody to kiss you, but you don't have to, but you can if you want to. And I kept looking into this and the gays were saying, it's just showing that the Christians hate gays. And it went on and on with this back and forth. I found one deeper deconstruction or actually now I actually report a deeper reporting. It turns out that and here's my analysis. It turns out that this was a health class that was given as kind of a test of the high schoolers who were going to go come down to the grade schoolers and teach them a little bit about bullying and some other stuff. So it was high school it was high schoolers that were doing the class.

2:34:39 Oh, it was their idea? Yeah. No kidding! It's a couple of goofballs. Hey man, I got a great idea for social studies. Seriously. All indications are it's a couple of goofballs in high school that says, I've got a great idea. Let's have the girls kiss and we'll watch. Hey, I just like the whole idea of a lesbian opt-out. Mommy, I want a lesbian opt-out. Oh, that's too good. Of course this is exactly what... John, you and I could have made this one up ourselves. Like, I got a great idea for this class. Yeah, we got a great idea. Here's what we do. Yeah, so you... let's... we got to do like a roleplay.

2:35:22 I don't think I could do it with a straight face. So we really want to do some role play for this particular class and in this case we want to demonstrate how horrible bullying is. Now if you two, yeah, you from the cheerleaders, yeah, if you could just, if you could ask her if she's kiss you like and then you and I'll pretend I'm a bully. Hey you hot lesbians. That's funny. Now on the last show we did, we brought out a nightline clip showing how ABC News in general is spokes-hole for the government and also deteriorating. I think it's gotten a little worse and this is another nightline story, in this case plugging a book, but just have the intro of it and tell me you don't think this is really hitting the bottom of the barrel. Which one is it? Lead-in?

2:36:17 Nightline worsens. Oh, sorry. Here we go. Is it otherworldly or a synapse in the brain? Trapped in a car or caught up in a terror attack, it's those moments while fighting for survival that some people report an overwhelming sense of calm piercing through the panic. It's repeatedly described as spiritual, even divine. Could it be the work of guardian angels? ABC's Jay Shadler discovers some very surprising answers. This is news? This is Nightline, the big news show that used to be like Ted Koppel and... Yeah, those days are over. Yeah, that's awesome. That is awesome. Wow. So I'm just trying to think how I should leave because I think I can save most of this stuff for Thursday. It'll keep... Okay, are you doing Twit today?

2:37:08 Yeah, I am. Okay, good. Then I have to leave you with a couple of thoughts. Oh, God. Yeah, of course. So write this down, okay? Because this will be a topic on Twit, and you're going to say the following. Because I read your column. I liked your column a lot about you saying that the Google glasses... I don't call it Google glasses. Google glasses is what I call them. It's a hoax. And so this is going to come up. This column is going to come up. But you need to use the following term. Ready? Okay, glass holes I think you can slip it in Yeah, no, we're gonna talk about that for sure cuz I told him I'm coming on it to talk about it Yeah, so let me do one last thing. Well, don't want to talk about you Don't want to talk about this particular column because I think was really good

2:37:58 Yeah, okay, people should read it. It's on PC Magazine's Friday edition. And it's a column that says, looking at the evidence over time and the fact this is taking forever and that there's been a bunch of setups, you should read the column because it's got all the details. I think Google Glasses is a hoax. That column was one of the closest to no agenda deconstruction I've ever seen. And by the way, I retweeted it. People hate me. Because of course they think I'm endorsing it, which I do, but... You know, it's like, man... I got tons of retweets and no one complained about it. Well, that's because it's you. Most people said, I agree, this is obviously a hoax. Oh, really? I got a lot of, man, this is the best thing to happen to computing since the mouse. What kind of people are following you? I don't know. Glassholes.

2:38:48 Glassholes, exactly. I don't know if I made it up because I tried to get glassholes.com and it's taken. There's no website but I'm like, oh that's a bummer. That would have been cool. Before we leave I do want to mention these FBI raids. since we have a bunch of them in the show notes now. There is a bunch of stuff going on and I have a clip from the Oakland event which nobody really knows what it's about even though it's apparently busting some Mexican warlords or something in Oakland but there's been a bunch of this and JC, Buzzkill Jr. has mentioned that he actually has a friend who has disappeared from one of the previous FBA raids and no one's seen or heard of him since. What do you mean? People are just disappearing?

2:39:33 Multiple, and here, yes. And this is going on, this is all in advance of May Day, apparently a May Day, and this group called Black... Wait, wait, wait. Cinco de Mayo? No, that's May 5th. Oh, I'm sorry. At least two houses in Olympia and two in Seattle were visited this morning by the FBI looking for a few different people. At least one of the people is being sought because the FBI wants to interview them about May Day slash Black Block. Black block black block is a group out of Germany that came over here And they were largely responsible for most of the violence that's been taking place in a lot of these events And they're the ones who caused all the trouble at the WTO protests in Seattle We need to get on the black line thing to see exactly who they are right God knows at this point. It's possibly an intelligence operation gone a month run amok

2:40:27 You know, at this point it's unclear whether there are subpoenas for either of the people the FBI is looking for or whether they're trying a more informal approach. And apparently there's a lot of people that if the FBI comes, you're not supposed to talk to them anyway according to the guy that we had the whistleblower if you remember that clip that says don't talk to the FBI they're just not they're not trustworthy. Right, right. Was the apparently what's going on in Seattle they've got the word out that if the FBI comes a-knocking you tell them you don't want to talk to them and you close the door on them. They can, with the right kind of warrants, kick in the door. But apparently, what they've discovered is that kicking in the door, if you're fed,

2:41:11 involves all kinds of extra paperwork. How annoying. And so they don't do it. They don't kick in doors much. They wait for you to come outside and then they grab you or they do other things. They put a hood over your head. So you can close your door, you have a little better chance. Now the local police, they don't care. They'll just kick in your door. Right. But there's no paperwork involved for them and that's apparently a big, big issue because I guess people bitch and moan about all these doors being kicked in. And this goes way back and I've tracked it back to 2010 with some reports about when they were arresting 16 anonymous hacking suspects nationwide. But back in March 2013, nationwide FBA raids on activists were going on in Minneapolis, Chicago, Michigan, and North Carolina. And again, it was something that's all a prelude to this May Day thing which I don't know anything about.

2:42:04 Very weird. So how do we look into it? What is the clip you have here? What is this? The clip is the crazy event that just took place in Oakland. I think it was last night. And that breaking news is in West Oakland tonight. Good evening, I'm Dan Ashland. And I'm Carolyn Johnson. The FBI and Oakland police raided an apartment building late tonight near 7th Street and Linden. ABC 7 News reporter Alan Wong is live at police headquarters with the latest for us. Alan? Carolyn, flash bang, grenades went off, residents were forced from their homes and we are still waiting for the Oakland Police Department to tell us what is going on. Sounds like a typical case of rescuing to me, John. Isn't that how the police rescues people these days? Here's what we saw. Several FBI agents in tactical gear with fully automatic weapons

2:42:53 outside of the City Tower apartment building at 7th and Linden. Oakland police officers in uniform appeared to be assisting with traffic and the arrest of one man at this location. Witnesses say they raided two other apartment buildings in the City Tower complex and evacuated the residents. We saw them carry out one bag of evidence, but so far there's been no explanation and the residents are looking for answers. When I got to the lobby, there were so many police in the lobby that they put me up against the wall and asked me did I have any guns. Guns! They didn't ask for nothing else. Did I have any guns? I said no, I'm just looking for my kids. We don't know what's going on. They never told us what was going on. They just got us standing out here. I'm trying to get in the house with my kids. It's 10 o'clock. We've been out here since 7 o'clock.

2:43:36 Now, you've been rescued. Now, it's unusual to see local law enforcement and the FBI working a combined and coordinated operation like this one. They went in prepared for any type of resistance, but it looks like it was an incident-free night. Now, this was obviously a raid, but Again, the law enforcement has not been forthcoming in the details of this evening and we hope to bring you more information in our morning newscast beginning at 4.30 a.m. Reporting live at the Oakland Police Headquarters, I'm Alan Wong, ABC 7 News. Hmm now the report was it was a drug bust of some sort which seems unlikely considering the amount of armed arm they had armed trucks and I mean armored gear armored tanks not tanks but these crazy-looking things yeah and weapons of war weapons of war on the streets but if that was the case why wasn't it the DEA as opposed to the FBI

2:44:33 I don't know, John. It doesn't matter. It's gonna be our turn eventually. Let's hope we get to live a little bit longer before we get disappeared- I'm sorry, rescued. Rescued at the end of a gun. I'm sorry about Buzzkill Jr.'s friend. Yeah, he's disappeared. Is that his imaginary friend? No, no, he's a real friend. He's our friend. That sucks. Yeah, apparently he was just taken by the FBI and went and just disappeared. He hasn't been, no one can get a hold of him. Wow. Nobody knows where he is, nobody knows nothing. This is not good. Probably Gitmo. Yeah. Hey, a guy committed suicide in Gitmo. Oh crap, that's gonna screw up our count. Let's bring another guy in and just put him in here. One, two, three, yeah they're all here. Yep. Wow.

2:45:26 Okay, so congratulations Italia with your newly appointed Prime Minister good work Yeah, why do you even bother going to elections at all? This can appoint some guy so good luck on that Lowlands good luck with your lonely crazies on on the 30th. We'll be talking about that on Thursday. I'm sure and perhaps I can just play you out with the meme of the week Which will be coming up this week, depending on whatever terror we have, you know, terror inc strikes, you never know what can happen. But if we can just please get back to recruiting women to vote for the Democratic Party and not for Republicans, which of course is why we have this whole gun debate. I have the meme and it comes up at the end of this 45 second report. You ready?

2:46:19 to need to know. Thanks for joining us. The topic of gun control has been front and center ever since last December's elementary school mass shooting in Newtown, Connecticut. And that discussion inevitably leads to another one about the Second Amendment to the Constitution, a mere 27 words from 1791 that continue to inspire fierce debate more than two centuries later. A critical part of the Bill of Rights, the Second Amendment. Decade agenda to attack the Second Amendment. While preserving our Second Amendment rights. They all support the Second Amendment as do I. The Second Amendment is protected. There is a Second Amendment right to bear arms.

2:46:58 The term Second Amendment is tossed around all the time, but what do you really know about it? Who was behind it? What were its authors trying to achieve? And most importantly, how does it apply today when muskets have been replaced by semi-automatics? Joining us... That's it! Muskets is the meme of the week. I've seen that, I've heard that meme before, yeah, it's a classic. Oh yeah, it's coming. This, when they wrote that, they used muskets. They also had cannons in their backyards. Yeah, exactly. Cassius Clay, the brother of Henry Clare, or nephew or cousin. Not Muhammad Ali, yes.

2:47:36 Who's right who's visited actually Muhammad Ali? In this in that era had had to shoot because he was an abolitionist He had to load his cannon up with a bunch of broken glass and the rest of it and shoot it at the sheriff in the police Department that was coming in to kick the crap out of him and kill him and he used the cannon to protect himself Yeah, try doing that today anyway Well, I'm a little down. Even the lesbian story didn't pick me up, John. I mean, this is getting bad. Well, I tell you what, we knew it. The show clip is real shorty. It's a classic. It's uplifting because it's got an uplifting ending and it's a little bit by Diane Sawyer introducing a segment. You really have to. Is she drunk? I don't think so. Okay. All right. But she's a little, she may be on Valium. Oh, perfect.

2:48:30 In the morning, everybody, in the morning, Will Harris over there checking us out along with his weekend podcast listening. And in the morning to you, my friend, I'm Adam Curry here. Austin, Texas and from northern Silicon Valley and remind people to go to Dvorak org slash na when you get the chance I'm John C. Dvorak. We'll be back on Thursday with another thrilling episode the best podcast in universe No agenda show hit it Diane our instant index tonight begins with a piece of history We know a picture is worth a thousand words, but what about the camera? We all remember the iconic picture, a sailor, a nurse, a kiss for a lifetime in Times Square celebrating the end of World War II. Well, tonight, a mystery revealed about the camera and the cameraman behind the timeless shot. The camera was made in Germany. The photographer was Jewish, forced to flee Germany during the war. And look, there he is, his camera dangling by his side, and then his own embrace, his own version of that kiss.

2:49:34 And also tonight an incredible image and story of survival. They are calling him the miracle baby born amid the ruins in China after the devastating 7.0 earthquake. An army of doctors and volunteers coming together to bring the little boy into this world and their mother and child safe at last together. It is so great to have that ending. Adios, mofo. Best podcast in the universe! Dvorak.org slash N-A-W-R-A-K