Episode 453 · Thursday, 18 October 2012

Haldol Dribbler

Presidential debate production failures and Benghazi fact-checks take center stage as global austerity protests and domestic terror stings reveal a world on the brink.

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The No Agenda Show · No. 453

About this episode

The second 2012 presidential debate between Barack Obama and Mitt Romney faced immediate scrutiny for its surreal production quality and a controversial live fact-check by moderator Candy Crowley. The dispute centered on the administration's framing of the Benghazi attack as an act of terror, while the Wall Street Journal simultaneously identified Ahmed Abu Khattala as a primary suspect. Critics suggest the event felt scripted, noting the set's resemblance to an auto showroom and the distracting vocal reactions from an invisible audience.

Global tensions rise as Israeli Ambassador Michael Oren warns of a potential world war during an appearance on The View, while a U.S. drone strike in Yemen reportedly kills eight Al-Qaeda operatives. In the UK, Home Secretary Theresa May blocked the extradition of hacker Gary McKinnon to the United States on human rights grounds. Domestically, the FBI arrested Kazi Nafis in a sting operation for a plot to bomb the Federal Reserve Bank in New York, an event some label as orchestrated entrapment. Meanwhile, the House Intelligence Committee issued warnings against Chinese telecom giant Huawei, citing national security risks and potential cyber warfare capabilities.

Personal stories and medical warnings round out the report, including a blind man in Lancashire being tasered after police mistook his cane for a samurai sword. A psychiatrist warns that the drug Haloperidol can turn patients into a zombie-like state, while the Wellcome Trust faces criticism for a report that appears to market Ritalin to children. The episode concludes with a knighting ceremony for Sir Toby Knotts as the show approaches its fifth anniversary of listener-supported broadcasting.


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CHAPTER 01 / 32 Discussion

California Earthquake Drill, Duck and Cover History

The Great Southeast Shakeout earthquake drill took place across California on October 18, 2012, involving millions of participants from schools and corporations like Walmart and Bank of America. The safety procedure "drop, cover, and hold on" is compared to the 1951 "Duck and Cover" civil defense film featuring Bert the Turtle. Skepticism is expressed regarding the effectiveness of these drills during major seismic events.

california· great southeast shakeout· bert the turtle· duck and cover· earthquake safety

00:00 Fighting a losing cause, my friend, a losing cause. Adam Curry, John C. DeVora. It's Thursday, October 18th, 2012. Time for your Get Monation Media assassination episode 453. This is no agenda. Inspired like a Bangladeshi lone wolf. Here, the drone star of state Austin Tejas. It's the Capitol in the morning, everybody. I'm Adam Curry. And from northern Silicon Valley where we await the fifth anniversary of the No Agenda Show, I'm John C. Dvorak. It's funny, I thought you were going to say where it is time once again for... Drop cover and hold on! The Great Southeast Shakeout. Is it 1018 your time today? Well, I don't know anything about this. Well, this is millions. I have the headline right here. Millions take part in the largest ever earthquake drill.

00:58 They can't it can't be millions taking part if you're not taking part 1018 today in California to be California what part of California? It's just California though where the earthquakes are that's the whole state, California my point I never heard this you've never heard of the the drop cover and hold on No. Well this is what you're supposed to do when you feel an earthquake you're supposed to drop, cover, and hold on. If it's a good earthquake it drops you. That's problem number one. Drop, cover, and hold on. And if it's a good earthquake, by the way the earthquake that will kill you, if it's a good earthquake you can't go do anything because you can't stand up.

01:38 More than half bouncing you around you're bouncing around on your butt boom boom boom you can't do anything and move 9 million California's even worked I've always found this to be so bogative Oh kids walk under they'll stand over here be in the bathroom go to the bathtub in a real whopper You can't move. Can you hear me at least I'm John just talking over you okay? What's confusing? I mean, it's okay if you're rude. I just need to know I Yeah, I'm rude. 9 million Californians are due to take part as students, schools, universities along the West Coast practice their safety procedures. Major corporations like Walmart, Target and Bank of America have also ordered their staff to participate in the drill. So I think I have to order all NOAA agenda staff that are in California to participate in the drill at 1018. Of course, these drills are usually a false flag, which means you're in for the big one today.

02:31 Can you imagine being at the Bank of America at 1018 and just gonna deposit something? Drop, cover, hold on! It's the stupidest thing, because of course this goes back to the little turtle dude from the atomic drills back in the day. What was it? Drop and cover. Wasn't that the song? I don't remember there ever being a song. I think it's bullcrap. Yeah, no, come on. Now you're just being... Trying to be mean to me you remember the turtle song you know I'm pretty old Yeah, but that I don't remember the turtle song maybe they didn't play it out here cuz we're too preoccupied with earthquakes Well hold on here. It is duck and cover from 1951 Wave yeah, I was a little baby. I wasn't even around I was born in 54 Here it comes. Let's see

03:26 When were you born? Here we go. Do you not remember the turtle named Bert? Everyone knows this duck and cover. Duck and cover. Really? You've never seen that, huh? Interesting. Nope. That's the first I've ever heard it right there. It hasn't been blogged. It's a classic. Well, it sounds like a classic. Bert the Turtle. It's a jingle. Yeah. Bert the Turtle, duck and cover. It's okay. Never mind. So don't participate. Fine. I was just trying to help. I thought, you know, you would be, if you want to take a little time out, it's probably in about, it's about an hour from now. You know, if you wanted to wait and just pause the show while you duck, cover and hold on as a good of your, you know, part of your good civic duty, it would be fine.

04:27 Well now I got a bunch of email from people. Gene Naftali of TEST. Scott Gillian. TEST. Hmm. I guess it's working then. Your email now. No, I still didn't get JC's spreadsheet. Really? But did you get mine? No. This is really weird. Oh no, here it is. I did get yours. Forward NA45. Okay, so it's not that weird. Alright, good. Anyway, I got the thing on a key now. I'm ready to go. I'm in business. Can we do a show now? Oh, hit it. In the morning to you, John C. Dvorak. In the morning to you, Adam Curry. In the morning to all ships at sea, all boots on the ground, subs in the water, feet in the air, and a happy good in the morning to everyone who is a knight. I think we have a good contingency that helps support this show in a big way. Yes, certainly do, and we highly appreciate that as we are on our way to our fifth anniversary of the No Agenda Show, also known as

CHAPTER 02 / 32 Discussion

Second Presidential Debate Production Criticism

The second 2012 presidential debate between Barack Obama and Mitt Romney is criticized for its poor production quality and surreal atmosphere. The set design is likened to an auto showroom, and the invisible audience's vocal reactions are noted as distracting. Claims are made that the event felt rigged or overly scripted rather than a spontaneous exchange.

barack obama· mitt romney· presidential debate· television production· candy crowley

05:26 the best podcast in the universe and thanks to Martin JJ once again with how long was our argument on the last episode about who's whose art we were going to choose and it's just I hate to say but Martin is just knocking it out of the park again every single time. I know it's getting actually I'm sure the other artists are getting disheartened although I do use other art for the newsletter. This is yeah this is true. So Was there anything going on? I think there was what was oh yeah there was a debate. Oh well I'm looking at the clips you sent me. I have too many clips. You do you have more than more than than usual. But they're short. That's the good news. Yeah mine are short too. Well why don't we start with the the the campaign debate. And I have to say something about this thing first of all before we get to any clips about it.

06:29 This was the most poorly produced piece of crap that I've ever seen. What is this? I mean, they had two car salesmen in an auto showroom with a red carpet and I guess to, um, woo, to confuse me, they switched tie colors. This was a big one. I had to think about that. My brain was hurting. And it was set up with people who couldn't remember their lines they had, it was everything was stacked and somewhere in the dark was either the the press corps or I don't know who it was there was this whole invisible audience that was hooting and hollering and clapping which was not allowed which we never saw it was it was the

07:20 Most surreal experience I've ever had in any... in any... really in any debate television production. It was so poorly done. It was just... the pits. Well, I didn't like the fact that it was rigged. What? You've got to be kidding me! Well, tell me how you thought it was rigged. But first, before we go into the rigged part, which is the Candy Crowley crap, which I found was annoying, there's a couple of things that have to be brought up immediately. In fact, this is one question I just couldn't... Play this one clip. Obama on females in the workplace.

CHAPTER 03 / 32 Discussion

Gender Pay Inequality, Workplace Discrimination Claims

A debate question regarding the 72 percent gender pay gap is dismissed as inaccurate and politically motivated. The framing of workplace inequality is viewed as a strategic move by the Obama administration to shift focus away from controversies surrounding the State Department. The questioning process is scrutinized for potential coordination between the network and the White House.

barack obama· workplace inequality· gender pay gap· cnn· 72 percent

07:57 Place yeah, okay In what new ways do you intend to rectify the inequalities in the workplace? Specifically regarding females making only 72% of what their male counterparts earn. Oh Catherine. This is a great question It's not a great question in any way It's not a great. It was also not true. I Exactly! But this was just, it was amazing. I think what happened is because CNN, they found the notebook, they knew from before it was even announced, they knew that this was a terrorist attack. They had the notebook in their hands and they were going after the State Department and going after the White House. And then my goodness, the clip we had on the other day with Sean, with

08:50 with the the seal's mom who was like these people were horrible and Obama just you know let me cry on his shoulder and just looked off in the distance. This was somehow meant to equal it out. They basically said well we'll give you all your questions. And we'll probably let you read them beforehand too. I mean, I don't... Well, she claims, she at the beginning claimed that there was no, they're the only ones that know about the questions. Her and her team. Yeah, her and her team. But then why, when you play the clip, Obama orders Crowley to get the transcript. This is the key to the whole event. No, no, no. I disagree with you. I disagree. And I went back and I looked at everything five times. I'll play the orders to get the transcript, but the setup

09:31 came in a different spot. No, the setup was a little before that. But what was the setup? What was the clue of the setup? Well, the clue was the setup where Obama is confronting him all the while and then in this situation he says, oh please continue. No, no, no, no, that wasn't the setup. Okay, then what was the setup? And that's why nobody's more interested in finding out exactly what happened. Hold on, that's not the one. That's the setup to him. Here is, here's the setup. Unraveling before our very eyes. Because we're closing in, I want to still get a lot of people in. I want to ask you something, Mr. President. Because... Now listen to what she's saying. Now here's the thing. Who was asking the questions during this entire debate? Who was asking the questions?

CHAPTER 04 / 32 Discussion

Benghazi Attack, Candy Crowley Fact-Check Controversy

Moderator Candy Crowley's live fact-check during the Benghazi discussion is analyzed as a breach of debate protocol. The dispute centers on whether President Obama referred to the Benghazi assault as an "act of terror" during his Rose Garden speech the day after the attack. Evidence suggests the Romney campaign was led into a "Jedi mind trick" regarding the administration's initial framing of the event.

benghazi· candy crowley· barack obama· mitt romney· rose garden

10:17 She was. No, the audience was asking the question. The audience is asking the question. The guy from Mineola, Long Island asked this specific question about Libya and Benghazi, which the question he asked was never answered. And then I think Romney actually did a pretty good job of saying, hey, this is his foreign policy. He didn't mention anything about the Rose Garden or any of that. And that's when Candy Crowley steps in and she asks a question which is specifically, if you read the 21 page document, not what she is allowed to do. She's not supposed to ask the question. Unraveling before our very eyes. And then listen to how she sets it up. She speaks in the most peculiar riddles. Listen.

11:00 Because we're closing in, I want to still get a lot of people in. I want to ask you... Because we're closing in, we want to get a lot of people in, I'm going to stop these people from coming in and I'm going to ask a scripted question. Do you hear what she's saying? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, you win on that. This is exactly what happened. But it gets better. Mr. President, then have the governor just quickly... And then we'll have the governor quickly, quickly, just quickly... This was mind-boggling to me. Your Secretary of State, as I'm sure you know, has said that she takes full responsibility. Now, he had already said the buck. He didn't even say that. He said, I take responsibility. Yes, she works for me. She works for me. And now Candy Crawley is coming back with a scripted question.

11:45 which was already answered by him. For the attack on the diplomatic mission in Benghazi, does the buck stop with your Secretary of State as far as what went on here? See, the question had already been answered and here's where it gets even more interesting. Secretary Clinton has done an extraordinary job, but she works for me. I'm the president. Okay, and then you're absolutely right and I got your clip here. Then Obama sets up Romney in a fabulous way and this can only be because the press corps or someone, there's a spy in the Romney camp and someone somehow said these guys really believe that you blamed it on the Muslim video in the Rose Garden. And honestly John, I believe that too.

12:28 You know and and it's tricky people I Seriously thought well yeah, he definitely blamed it on the on the video in the Rose Garden well actually on the Rose Garden He was vague the extremely vague and this is what this wouldn't I but he didn't blame it on terrorists if you Read if you parse what he said bitched about terrorism. Well. I am going to have to say that Romney was wrong in this case and because the first moment the video was really publicly brought into the conversation was at the when the flag-draped caskets were arriving and it was Hillary who mentioned it not the president. And I think why exactly and I think that Romney should have taken the cue from Obama because he went out of character and said please continue. Oh it was it was

13:19 It was such a setup. Well, let's listen to the setup. And that's why nobody's more interested in finding out exactly what happened than I did. The day after the attack. Now, when he says this, this is very smart NLP. He turns around and looks at Romney just when he talks about the Rose Garden, which is a beautiful setup because he's saying, oh, Romney, by the way, in the Rose Garden, and then he turns back to Crowley. The attack, Governor, I stood in the Rose Garden. And now he turns back. And I told the American people and the world that we are going to find out exactly what happened. That this was an act of terror. And I also said that we're going to hunt down those who committed this crime. Now, now I want you to listen to how Crowley sets up Romney for his response. Because I listened to this too, which is also quite amazing what she said. And grieving with the families. And the suggestion that anybody in my team, whether Secretary of State, our UN ambassador,

14:24 Anybody on my team would play politics or mislead when we've lost four of our own governor. Now he turns back. Is offensive. So he has now set up Romney to talk about the Rose Garden and whose responsibility. It was a brilliant, brilliant Jedi mind trick. I thought this came after the Rose Garden set up. Nope, this is the Rose Garden set up. Stand by. That's not what we do. That's not what I do as president. That's not what I do as commander in chief. Okay, so now he's quiet and now listen how Crowley brings him up. Governor if you want to reply quickly to this please. I think it's interesting the president just said something which is that on the day after the attack he went in the Rose Garden. See he was set up, he was told it was a Jedi mind trick, beautiful. And said that this was an act of terror.

15:16 That's what I said. You said in the Rose Garden, the day after the attack, it was an act of terror. Now, he literally used the words act of terror. So this is, Romney was set up, he had rehearsed this. And someone, a spy in his camp, I'm going to say someone in the media probably, spy, went to the Obama camp and said, they really truly are going to say you said it in the Rose Garden, you've got to set him up. And that's who's clapping by the way, is not the audience who was sitting there. It was not a spontaneous demonstration. Is that what you're saying? Please proceed, Governor.

16:12 It was, it was, he, at this point I think he's like, oh crap. When he said please proceed, I think Romney went, oh, fiddle sticks. I want to make sure we get that for the record because it took the president 14 days before he called the attack on Benghazi an act of terror. Get the transcript. He did in fact sir, so let me, let me... Okay, so he says get the transcript. He was really quick on that because this would set up, set up, 100% set up. Well, here's the... Here's what gets to me about this. He orders her to get the transcript. She's dealing with a transcript of anything. She's a moderator.

16:51 Well, because it was set up. Because it's a scam, that's the problem. She went out of her way at the beginning to say that this was, they didn't know anything about the questions or anything else. What is she doing with the transcript? Right. Okay, so hold on because I want you to hear what she says in this because this is, and I want you to hear the hooting and hollering too. This is very important. Go ahead. She also by the way when she when she starts to talk about the transcript that she apparently has and she agrees with Obama even though she's not supposed to be taking part in the I mean is she on this side in the debate? When she is she is extremely agitated and very nervous because she knows that this is not gonna look good on her resume It was a fact check a live fact check. She's awesome. Oh

17:39 She is moderating and doing a live fact check. I heard nothing but Jay Rosen. Jay Rosen like the... Jay Rosen like Mr. Journalism. He's tweeting, Kandi Crowley's awesome. She did a live fact check while moderating. Oh blow me, Jay Rosen. He's so stupid. Can you say that a little louder, Kandi? Can you say it louder? Now the press corps is laughing, John. I don't know who was behind all these people in this fake audience. But the press corps is laughing and hooting and hollering. He did call it an act of terror. It did as well take... Okay, now let's listen to... No one has actually listened to what he said on the Rose Garden. It's only a five-minute piece. I pulled out the two pieces that are relevant. Everyone's talking about the transcript. I have not seen a single news program play the actual video where he's there with Lucifer talking about this. Here's the start.

18:34 Our country is only as strong as the character of our people and the service of those both civilian and military who represent us around the globe. No acts of terror will ever shake the resolve of this great nation. So there's his acts of terror, he said no acts of terror. Alter that character or eclipse the light of the values that we stand for. So that's what he said in the very beginning and then later on he says Yesterday, four of these extraordinary Americans were killed in an attack on our diplomatic post in Benghazi. Among those killed was our ambassador, Chris Stevens, as well as Foreign Service Officer Sean Smith. We are still notifying the families of the others who were killed. And today, the American people stand united in holding the families of the four Americans in our thoughts and in our prayers.

19:31 The United States condemns in the strongest terms this outrageous and shocking attack. I think that also, you know, he's talking about an attack. I think the fact check was correct in this case. This was just... I also was mind-controlled into believing that he had literally mentioned the Muslim video on YouTube in the Rose Garden and not until I didn't read the transcript, screw that, I went to watch the whole video. I was surprised even. We're working with the government of Libya to secure our diplomats. I've also directed my administration to increase our security at diplomatic posts around the world. And make no mistake, we will work with the Libyan government to bring to justice the killers who attacked our people. Now here it comes. Since our founding, the United States has been a nation that respects all faiths. We reject all efforts to denigrate the religious beliefs of others.

20:25 But there is absolutely no justification to this type of senseless violence. Now this could have been anything. I don't even think they were thinking about the video at this point. This could have just been, is Muslims against Christians or whatever. No, I don't think so. I think that was a specific reference to the video because that's exactly what it was about denigrating. But he never said it. But it was vague enough that I think you're justified in what you say as an attorney. being something you can say yeah that's what it is. Yeah, you can take it either way but for sure I myself was really convinced that they had mentioned that video in the Rose Garden and I think that the denigration comment probably would make you think that but it didn't happen and they knew this and they knew that someone in the Romney camp was spying and said

21:12 Dude, trust me. They really truly believe it bring it up now listen how Crowley cuts off Romney and what she says specifically well Take two weeks or so For the whole idea of there being a riot out there about this tape to come out you're correct this the administration the administration another another illegal round of applause and clap indicated that this was a a reaction to a to a video and was a spontaneous reaction it took them a long time to say this was a terrorist act by a terrorist group and and to suggest it am i incorrect in that regard oh so dumb so dumb sunday the uh... that your your secretary

21:53 So stupid! Excuse me, the ambassador of the United Nations went on the Sunday television shows and spoke about how this was a spontaneous... Now listen to what she says. I'm happy to have a longer conversation about foreign policy. Absolutely, but I want to move you on and also people can go to the transcripts. I just want to make sure that all those wonderful folks are going to have a chance to get some of their questions answered. Because what I want to do... Is he taking over the place? Hold on a second, hold on, listen to what she says, listen to what she says. You talked right over it, hold on. We're gonna have a chance to get some their questions answer because what I want to do mr President is stand there for a second because I want to introduce you to Nina Gonzalez. That's not the one I was Crap, there's something I where she tells him to sit down. Yeah now whatever it the whole the whole thing it the point is

22:38 Big setup and Romney fell for it and they should be looking at what's going on. They have a spy amongst them. They have a mole. Yeah, but I'm thinking it's just the press. It's just the press. They were all so giddy about this. They loved it so much that there's no way, there's no way this could not have been a setup with a spy on the, yeah, a mole, exactly. Spy. They've got a spy. That's just unbelievable to me. I saw that and I was like, wow. Wow, wow, wow, wow, wow. Now here's well, you know, this is a problem with his with his staff more than it is with the fact that there's this and if and I'm sure that there's anyone who follows the campaign around enough as you know, could easily be one of their pals and then they went out really is a guy really thinks that he has he ever listened to the roast? No, I don't think he's ever seen it or even read the transcript.

CHAPTER 05 / 32 Discussion

Twitter Assassination Threats, Twitchy.com Reports

The website Twitchy.com compiled a series of tweets containing assassination threats against Mitt Romney following the presidential debate. The vitriol on social media includes users threatening violence if Romney were to win the election or alter food stamp programs. Questions are raised regarding the lack of law enforcement response to these public threats compared to other political speech.

twitter· mitt romney· twitchy.com· secret service· social media

23:31 And then that got back. I mean it's right and take a lot of hard work now Let me ask you a question if after this debate if you had gone on Twitter and said man if this Obama gets Gets reelected. I'm gonna have to assassinate him. What do you think what happened to you? I would have a knock at the door this website called twitchy.com Uh, which looks like a very, very radical right wing conservative bullcrap website. Twitchy? Dad, can I just spell it? Uh, Tango Whiskey India Tango Charlie Hotel Yankee. Twitchy, as in twitchy, like you know, when you get Tourette's, twitchy.

24:14 Hold on, I'm still spelling T-A-N-G-O. Twitchy. Anyway, so here's, they assembled a number of tweets. This looks like, right off by the way, just by the design, this looks like a Democrat template. Oh really? Yeah, go on. Well, so they assembled a number of tweets about Romney. I shall read a few. If Romney wins this election, he might as well wear a t-shirt that says, assassinate me, bitch. Y'all ready to assassinate Romney? Where's this? Yeah, it's one of their stories. Romney make me want to hop through the TV and just assassinate his ass. I'm gonna murder Romney right now. Somebody needs to assassinate this mofo, Romney. Good night, y'all. I'm getting ready to murder Romney.

24:59 I ain't gonna lie, food stamps the shit. I might assassinate Romney my damn self if he get elected. I fuck switch free 99 on the eats. If Romney gets elected and takes away my food stamps, I must send someone to murder his ass. I mean, is this okay? Is- Twitter allows this? And you think these people are getting a knock on their door? They better. Nah, I don't think so. There's not even a news story about it. Not a single, there is, interestingly enough, there is a new rule apparently in the RNC. You know, they put together their platform and the new rules that everyone voted on. There's a rule nine, which has shown up different from previous years. Shall I just read you rule number nine? Before you do that, I'm still on this other topic.

25:50 Well this is a part of the topic, but okay. Okay, well there's just about this, okay. Well go ahead, you're reading the tweets, go ahead. Well I'm looking at the lines and the website itself comments in between. And right here, the website says, meanwhile the left side of the Twitter thinks the secret server should focus on super serious threats. Super serious threats. And then they say, this is what makes me think he's a Democrat, or even more. Like tag Romney, and by the way who is their kid tag? Oh this is tag saying he wanted to go beat the president up and hit him in the face? He says like tag Romney, telling a radio host he wanted to take a swing at Obama during Tuesday night's debate. Yeah. But does that mean he was going to make a pass at him and try to get him into the sack?

CHAPTER 06 / 32 Discussion

RNC Rule Nine, Republican Candidate Vacancy Procedures

Rule Nine of the 2012 Republican National Committee rulebook outlines the process for filling vacancies in the event of a candidate's death or withdrawal. The rule empowers the RNC to name a replacement without reconvening a full national convention. Speculation is offered that figures like Jeb Bush could be positioned as alternatives under these specific administrative rules.

republican national committee· rnc rule 9· jeb bush· candidate vacancy· 2012 election

26:44 I'm gonna disconnect for a second. Just make sure this isn't me. Okay, give me one second here Really? I mean, I just want to make sure it's not me, but we all know the truth. Don't we? Hello you there? Yeah, I'm here. Okay. Yeah so Okay, so go on with you. Whatever you all right rule number nine in the 2012 Republican National Committee rule book filling vacancies in nominations I just want to see what happens if someone took him out. The Republican National Committee is hereby authorized and empowered to fill any and all vacancies which may occur by reason of death, declination or otherwise of the Republican candidate for President of the United States or the Republican candidate for Vice President of the United States as nominated by the National Convention. Or...

27:39 The Republican, this is that that is the new part or the Republican National Committee may can reconvene the National Convention for the purpose of filling any such vacancies. So if Romney gets taken out by one of these crazy people who are tweeting they're going to assassinate him then they can put anybody they want in without without doing a whole convention. Hello Jeb Bush. He's ready to go. I'm telling you, Jim Bush is warming up in the dugout. He's been ready to go since the year 2000. So I don't wish it on anybody, but I'm thinking, man, these tweets are no good. It's really no good. This isn't this is this is I can't believe that people just tweet that.

28:23 I don't believe it's a... I would say if it was an intelligence agency it wouldn't surprise me in the least. But if you go look at these tweets, you know, I just... It also could be a honeypot tweet, you know, you put it in there, see who jumps in, yeah, you're right! Well... I look... My God, your connection is so bad today, so incredibly bad. Huh. I looked at I looked at I picked like five of these tweets and I went and looked at their history You know see if they just joined or if they only had a couple of followers Not only did a lot of them have a lot of followers, but they also had You know other websites tumblers and if this was all

29:05 Think people really are this vindictive and nasty I I can totally see that being true It could you know it could just be very sophisticated intelligence work But they they certainly fooled me then which I think you have to get her pretty early to fool people like you and I on some of these Twitter accounts anyway, we do have fantastic news and And the news is that, uh... You know, as the president promised, we apparently do have a name that he's gonna go after. A what? A name that he's gonna go after. You mean a name? Oh, he's gonna bring someone to account. Oh, hello! Please. And bring who to account? The guy responsible for the attack.

CHAPTER 07 / 32 Discussion

Ahmed Abu Khattala, Benghazi Attack Suspect Identification

The Wall Street Journal identified Ahmed Abu Khattala as a primary organizer of the Benghazi attack through the group Ansar al-Sharia. Predictions are made that the U.S. government will use drone strikes to eliminate Khattala as a political "spiking of the football" before the election. The existence of the organization and its direct links to Al-Qaeda are questioned.

ahmed abu khattala· benghazi· ansar al-sharia· libya· wall street journal

30:04 Oh yeah, it's already out there in the... Right. No, it's not Sharpton. Yeah, I'll get you the guy's name. His name is... Katala. Yeah, Qatala, and it's a great name, I think we can all kind of remember it, K-H-A-T-T-A-L-A-H, the Wall Street Journal already published his name. Apparently Qatala organized the, let's see, Ansar al-Sharia into this attack, and he is now a hunted man. And of course, we need to hype him up a little bit. He's got to get some press, some face-to-face recognition. So I say probably a week. We got to be talking about the guy and we keep talking about Katala. Just wait, you can wait for it. We talk about Katala. I wonder if they're going to put him on that bogus list. Oh yeah, and by the time some of you hear this podcast, he'll already be dead.

31:03 You know, it takes some of you a while to catch up to our shows. They're going to drone the guy and it'll be a spiking of the football once again. It'll be Osama bin Laden too. They've just got to, you know, they've just got to kind of up it up a little bit. Just get it all ready. Hype this guy's name. So, Katala, wherever you are, you should probably lay low for a while. Might be a good idea. Well, let's make the assumption there is no such person. I'm sure we'll let me see if we have a picture of Katala yet. Let's see. Of course. I also don't think there's any such organization which is, you know, linked to Al-Qaeda or whatever. Let's see. Katala. Do we have any images of Katala? No, not yet. Not yet. We will. Katali. I got Katali. It's not the right Katala. It's funny. Katala and a picture of Angela Merkel shows up. That's kind of interesting.

CHAPTER 08 / 32 Discussion

No Agenda Producer Credits, Donation Logistics

Toby Knotts and Michael Baker are recognized as producers for episode 453. The show's donation structure is clarified, noting that contributions over $200 earn a producer credit, while those over $333 grant executive producer status. The hosts emphasize that these are legitimate credits unlike those found in traditional Hollywood media.

toby knotts· michael baker· executive producer· dvorak.org· donations

32:02 Not quite sure why that happened. So why don't we, do we have any producers to thank for? We have a very short list of producers. In fact, I'm surprised we have two, but they're all, they're low. I mean, Toby Knott's is from Kenilworth, Illinois, which we've talked about him before. Now he's becoming a knight as of today. Oh, nice. Perfect. He's an executive producer. He's in 32 cents. Which is under the 300, but he's high so he gets executive producership. He wants to kick us to kick in the panty. We checked it out. He looks good. Okay, no problem. We kicked that sound like a done. And then Michael Baker from Wuh-Wuh-Wuh-Wuh-Wuh-Wuh-Wuh-Wuh-Wuh-Wuh-Wuh-Wuh-Wuh-Wuh-Wuh-Wuh-Wuh-Wuh-Wuh-Wuh-Wuh-Wuh-Wuh-Wuh-Wuh-Wuh-Wuh-Wuh-Wuh-Wuh-Wuh-Wuh-Wuh-Wuh-Wuh-Wuh-Wuh-Wuh-Wuh-Wuh-Wuh-Wuh-Wuh-Wuh-Wuh-Wuh-Wuh-Wuh-Wuh-Wuh-Wuh-Wuh-Wuh-Wuh-Wuh-Wuh

32:54 We got nothing but time here apparently Baker E a ke are I don't remember anything from Michael Baker yeah We could be racing Baker Donation from Michael Baker and Helen O'Toole. Here's my donation of two says 250. Oh, this is from August now This is an old note from him so no he didn't send anything his son no comment. Okay. Well. That's fine. Oh, that's it oh Yeah. Oh, okay. I'm sorry. I'm like, uh, at least, you know, all right. Well, hey, uh, thank you. We do have a few 5555 well-wishers later in the show. That's cool. Okay, that's cool. Apparently nobody wanted to be the executive producer for 453 even though the numbers 3, 4, and 5 are all in that show title. So both Toby and Michael are associate executive producers. No, no, no. Toby is the executive producer. I got it. Okay. I'm so confused. All right. Well, thank you very much. A simple process. Anyone who donates over $200 gets a producership.

33:56 If they give over $333, they get executive producer automatically. Otherwise, the executive producership goes to the guy who gave the most over $200. It's very clear on the Dvorak.org slash NA page. I know. I just... I can't make it any clearer. I like how you get so pissed off every single time I pretend I don't know. I don't get pissed off. Thank you, Toby. Thank you, Michael. Unlike the douchebags in Hollywood, these are actual credits we will vouch for you. And of course, anyone else who would like to help us out, you can always do this. Propagate the formula. Our formula is this. We go out, we hit people in the mouth. Order. Order. Shut up. Hey now. Beautiful.

CHAPTER 09 / 32 Discussion

Cayman Islands Investments, Chinese Pension Holdings

During the debate, Mitt Romney challenged President Obama regarding his own pension fund's investments in Chinese companies and offshore accounts. Obama responded by stating his pension is smaller than Romney's and managed independently. The exchange highlights the political sensitivity of offshore tax havens and international business ties for both candidates.

mitt romney· barack obama· cayman islands· blind trust· chinese companies

34:52 Beautiful. By the way, I do have two clips from the debates that I want to bring in and then I'm done. First of all, I thought Romney was interesting to say the least. Play job Q&A Romney. Okey dokey. What plans do you have to put back and keep jobs here in the United States? Boy, great question and important question. That's not a great question! Damn, it's like Rick Rolling. He did it again. Wait, don't tell me it's gonna happen again. Okay, now I've got... Now the only thing that I liked in the whole debate was Romney getting in Obama's face and telling him that he has an investment in the Cayman Islands just like he does. Did you see those dust?

35:37 up and Obama tries to baa think and then Crowley tells him to shut up and sit down So which clip is that this would be Romney tries to clarify told to sit down. I have over the Mr. President, why don't you let me finish? I'm going to continue. Governor Romney, if you can make it short, see all these people, they've been waiting for you. Could you make it short? Just going to make a point. Any investments I have over the last eight years have been managed by a blind trust. And I understand they do include investments outside the United States, including in Chinese companies. Mr. President, have you looked at your pension? Candy, Candy, shut him up!

36:14 I got him off candy, candy, don't let him ask, don't let him say that! Have you looked at your pension? I've got to say. Mr. President, have you looked at your pension? You know, I don't look at my pension, it's not as big as yours. Good line, good line, I have to say, excellent line. Let me give you some advice. Actually, it was a good line, then he blew it and then he had to make up again. He said, I don't look at my pension. pension is not as big as yours and it doesn't take me as long which says he must be looking at it. So he stumbled through that and then he came up with a third line which was that, well I don't look at it very often, how he's finished. I don't think it was that, I think he blew that.

36:56 Look at your pension, you also have investments in Chinese companies, you also have investments outside the United States, you also have investments through Keynes Trust. We're sort of way off topic here, Governor Romney. We're way off topic here. Completely off the immigration. I thought we were talking about immigration. I do want to make sure that... If I could have you sit down, Governor Romney, thank you. I do want to make sure that we just understand something. Chefs! Romney, shut up! Shut... Ixnay on the Inachay! So I have another play which is apparently Obama goes off to deep and it keeps yacking and yacking about education. I thought, now if I'm I mistaken but don't you remember during the first debate, I said this is the first debate is going to be about the issues and the second debate was going to be about foreign policy. Do you remember this?

CHAPTER 10 / 32 Discussion

Education Policy, Third-Party Candidate Arrests

Green Party candidate Jill Stein and running mate Sherry Honkala were arrested while attempting to enter the presidential debate site. Meanwhile, President Obama's focus on education and manufacturing jobs is criticized as unrealistic for modern college graduates. The segment concludes with a "Rickroll" style critique of political rhetoric and the exclusion of third-party voices.

jill stein· green party· education· manufacturing jobs· debate arrests

37:43 Uh, yeah. Could you just reconnect, John? Let's see if that helps. I'm sorry. It's just... it's like... No, am I breaking up way too much? Way too much, yeah. It's really weird. We can always go back to Skype. Yeah, we might have to, but let's just try it again. Might as well. Okay, I'm gonna unhook and re-hook. Yeah, unhook and re-hook. Unhook and re-hook. Okay? Not yet. I hear ya. You hear me? Yeah, I hear you. Oh, okay. Alright, we'll see how that... I'll probably have to go in and change things. No, we'll see how that goes.

38:18 Well anyway, so yeah go ahead. So he goes up but it seemed to me that most almost every answer Obama gave always followed up with a bunch about how we have to improve education. And by the way this killed me what I loved is Obama was talking about education about Jeremy you know going to college and then he said because we need more manufacturing jobs like what you could you see Jeremy going dude I'm not going to college to be a factory worker. Okay. This is not going to happen. Did you catch that? It was like the way it was funny. It was really weird all right, so did you want to play one of these

38:56 Something else you wanted here. Well, I thought Obama. Okay, let's play this one This is Obama allowed to ramble off topic then he just criticized him for going off topic He goes off target topic and Crowley says this supposed to be you know, she tries to shut him up He won't shut up and he said she says this this top is supposed to be about guns Giving them access to higher education as I said We have made sure that millions of young people are able to get an education get an education that they weren't able to get before. Now... Mr. President, I have to move you along here. You said you wanted to hear these questions and we need to do it here. Just one second. Because this is important. This is part of the choice in this election. And when Governor Romney was asked whether teachers, hiring more teachers was important to growing our economy, Governor Romney said that doesn't grow our economy.

39:44 Now, the whole thing, it was horrible. It was funny because I was watching Ms. Mickey. And a lot of this was very subtle. I have to say she was tired. So we'd actually recorded it, we came back a half hour after it started, we immediately sat down, we had a prior engagement and we had a long drive, we had some shitty food. So she was tired and not entirely into it. But of course I was like, okay, let's, and I'm watching it with my no agenda eyes with the scales peeled back. And I'd say about,

40:38 20 let's say maybe 10 minutes before the end. She just had had it She couldn't stand and I don't think she could say exactly what it was, but it had gotten into her psyche But she was very clear to point out. She thought that Obama really Sounded much friendlier much better. And so this was pure an emotional response that she was having and and I think that that is certainly true and I have a feeling personally that when it came to just you know if you're sitting at home And you're one of the what now 30 million people how do we really have who aren't working John? 60 you have no idea it's got to be 50 or 60 million. I mean well it what okay well They're stuck. It's on all the net there on what all the networks have it. I mean everybody's playing this thing well yeah, no, but I think if you really

41:34 If you're sitting at home and you're and you're watching this you probably like Romney more I don't think I'm that's I don't think a lot of people were going who have no job. We're saying now, okay I'll give you four more years That yeah, you're right. No you About how many people are in play? I think about billion or something more than that. Probably if you really do the numbers correctly There's there's we did get a bunch of email, you know people, you know, our no agenda listeners are trying to help us. I with stuff and I think they missed it. There's a one point in the whole speech that I think they missed it. They were distracted by this little bit of

42:11 Flub that I don't think meant anything which you can play which is I'll end the war in Libya. Yeah, I know a lot of people caught that one Yeah, but I think it was just a I don't think it meant any no I don't think it meant anything either I said I'd end the war in Libya in Iraq and I did and I think by the way if if you at any point tweeted anything about a binder of women or about Big Bird, your citizenship is going to be taken away. We're coming in with helicopters and we're taking away your passport. So the point that I'm trying to make here, which is that that is a distraction to what actually was a key point that people missed. Buzzkill Jr. caught it immediately and then when I heard it, as soon as he said it, I thought, oh, geez, yes. And that's this comment here, which came just before the Libya clip, Obama means what he says.

43:10 Okie dokie, hold on. Yeah, when you go out of your way to say, I mean what I say about this, I mean what I say about this, it has all kinds of implications and nobody caught that except... That's like when someone says, oh, do you want me to tell you the truth? I usually say, no, no, please continue to bullshit me like you've been doing for the past 20 years of my life. And you hear that all the time, right? I'm going to tell you the truth now. I mean, honestly, when someone says that, honestly, and I'll have, I can't help but say, no, no, no, please, please give me the dishonest version like everything else you've been telling me. Don't give me honesty now. I don't like your honesty. That's exactly what that was.

44:13 Yeah, good catch by Buzzkill Jr. Good catch. Good catch. Okay, I'm kind of done. Yeah, I'm kind of done with this too. Unless you want a couple more Rick rolls now. You got more? They are good, I like it. Good. I thought it was kind of interesting though that Jill Stein, the candidate for the Green Party along with her running mate for VP, Sherry Honkala, tried to enter the debate and were arrested on the spot. Yay arrest everybody arrest the other candidates. I tell you arrest if you're from another party you shall be arrested I Thought that was great. That's that's just too far that got no press you noticed not a lot of people talking about that one

CHAPTER 11 / 32 Discussion

Gary McKinnon Extradition, UK House of Commons

UK Home Secretary Theresa May announced that hacker Gary McKinnon will not be extradited to the United States due to human rights concerns and suicide risk. McKinnon was accused of hacking into NASA and Pentagon systems in search of UFO evidence. The decision was met with "hear-hears" in the House of Commons, marking a significant legal victory for the defendant.

gary mckinnon· extradition· house of commons· nasa hack· theresa may

45:05 I thought that was hilarious. I'm still upset about the crowd control concepts that Crowley has hers at the beginning. I mean they all did on this debate. So I'm watching C-SPAN and there was a the Montana Senate debate and and then I hear this on there the Montana onerous debating rules free speech very short clip. Okay, hold on a minute to respond then a 30-second rebuttal will be allowed. Each candidate will have two minutes for a closing statement. Before we go to the questions, we all ask that you hold your applause until after the closing comments. Interruptions for applause, hoots and hollers will eat into the time allotted for each candidate's valuable responses. We're all here to listen to them, not to each other. Please respect them by holding your applause until the debate has ended. This is bullcrap.

46:05 It is why have an audience there. What is the point? That's what I'm why have an audience if the audience has to it Why don't you just strap them down and gag them and put them in the audience or handcuff to the seats? And there you go. That's essentially what you're doing. Yeah, well, I'm all for that as long as they got some cameras on him That's from you know where that's from That's from the house of the house of the House of Parliament. Yeah, very good. How did you know that? They have a very distinctive sound here's the full clip. This is about the hacker McKinnon who will not I almost had this clip it will not be extradited to the United States for hacking into the moon base the moon database Which of course shows that we we do have off-world?

46:57 Military as opposed to on world and he was looking around and he hacked into some NT 3.1 systems and he got this little list of stuff off of someone's desktop, but they're not gonna Extradite him because he might kill himself and I have taken extensive legal advice after careful consideration of all of the relevant material I I have concluded that Mr. McKinnon's extradition would give rise to such a high risk of him ending his life that a decision to extradite would be incompatible with Mr. McKinnon's human rights. I have therefore withdrawn the extradition order against Mr. McKinnon.

47:41 I just love it. We just have to use that from time to time. Yeah, it's serious. It's a bunch of low mumbling hear-hears. This is my favorite. This is the best one. That's the best. Just, you know, I think whenever you say that's not a great question, I'll be like... I think that's how we do it. You better keep it at the ready. Okay, seriously for this show even? Oh man. No, I'm good. Okay, good good good. Well, um, let's see. I know where we should jump to. Okay. Let's jump to the Libertarians in Bangladesh trying to blow up the Federal Reserve.

CHAPTER 12 / 32 Discussion

Federal Reserve Bomb Plot, FBI Sting Operation

Kazi Nafis, a 21-year-old Bangladeshi student, was arrested in a sting operation for attempting to bomb the Federal Reserve Bank in New York. The FBI provided Nafis with fake explosives and monitored his activities since his arrival in the U.S. in January 2012. Critics argue the plot was an orchestrated entrapment designed to link anti-Federal Reserve sentiment with terrorism.

federal reserve· kazi nafis· fbi sting· bangladesh· inspire magazine

48:20 Okay, I have several clips on this particular This particular event I have I have the BBC background clip if you want to run that for starters Yes, I would love to have the BBC background clip and then we'll hit the good stuff Let's turn now to developments in New York, where authorities announced they'd arrested a man they say was plotting to blow up the Federal Reserve building in Manhattan. Details are still coming in, but it appears the arrest was the result of a sting operation. Let's get more on this from our correspondent in New York, Barbara Platt. Barbara, what's the latest?

48:56 Well, we're told by the Justice Department that this plot had been in the progress for quite a long time. The department says that this Bangladeshi man arrived in America back in January with the intent of carrying out a terrorist attack here. But when he tried to recruit people to help him, he inadvertently contacted an FBI informer. Inadvertently! And from that point on, the FBI was monitoring him very closely. In fact, the police say that at no time was the public in any danger and also it was uh... an fbi agent in what was clearly a sting operation uh... who posed as a al-qaeda facilitator and supplied him with the materials that he thought were explosives that agent was with him this morning when he assembled what he thought was a thousand pound bomb in a van when he parked that van next to the federal reserve bank and then when he tried repeatedly to detonate it from a nearby hotel and he was arrested after that

49:49 I have to say a few things I have there's some new information that has come out just this morning John new information because if you did not think it was already good enough to have a self radicalized lone wolf out against the Federal Reserve which of course now puts a crosshair and a laser dot on anybody's head including mine who are against the Federal Reserve. I just love that part. That's true. I can see the good bit. I like it. But now it gets even better because just in time for Cybersecurity Awareness Month. We're starting to learn more.

50:25 more about the young man accused in the alleged plot to bomb the Federal Reserve Bank of New York. The 21-year-old Kazi Nafis from Bangladesh was in the United States on a student visa. He was majoring in cybersecurity at Southeast Missouri State University, where he studied from January through May of this year. Can it get any stupider? So now, I mean, it's like, just throw that in there. We got to add something to it. Let me say a couple of things. Well, no wait, before you... First of all, I like the BBC... Go ahead, go ahead. I like the BBC using they say. Oh yeah, oh yeah. As if it's all bull crap. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Because normally you'd report it as it's alleged, allegedly it was going to do this or that, but they say. They say. The other thing is...

51:12 And apparently since January 7th, so they've been... This is what bothers me. This is a ridiculous waste of the taxpayers money. There's a number of people involved. Essentially one guy full-time and who knows how many other agents they keep. One thousand New York agents. One thousand are looking out for these idiot terrorists, cyber punks. Why can't they just bring the you put to get take the guy's side and put a gun to his head and say hey We know what you're up to either leave the country or knock it off. I Think that would be a great idea, but no no and here's the other thing this is bullcrap what what when did the Bank the Federal Reserve branch in New York City be a target of anyone

52:05 I mean there's all kinds of things you can do if you're gonna blow stuff up and you wouldn't in Bangladesh you're gonna kill, you know that nerve needs to be blowed up. I heard Ron Paul mention about it. Yeah, but that's the subtlety of it, John. That is the subtlety. It's not so subtle. Well, now anyone including myself and I can probably implicate you who talks about the Federal Reserve, you are now automatically a terrorist. That's why this is exactly why this was done. And if you're also studying as to be a part of cybersecurity, but of course it did give us this wonderful little toss on CNN.

52:46 We begin the hour with breaking news. We're learning new details of an alleged terrorist plot to blow up the Federal Reserve Bank in New York City with a thousand pound bomb. An undercover FBI operation led to the arrest of this man, a 21-year-old man from Bangladesh who may have ties to Al-Qaeda. CNN's national correspondent Susan Kanyeati is working the story for us in New York. What's the latest you're picking up, Susan? Well the latest wolf is that he appears to be a lone wolf. There's nothing like thanking wolf and then saying he looks like a lone wolf. That just tickles me pink. Yeah apparently it does. Okay some of them. That was a long way. They don't all work. A long walk. So Ray Kelly is the commissioner

53:33 of the police commissioner, New York. Now he loves this, and of course he's entirely complicit. Did you hear any of his press conference? Nope. Okay, so let's listen to a little bit of it. And I love the press around him. The New York City Commissioner Ray Kelly is speaking to reporters right now. He's saying New York remains a terror target. He says this individual, this alleged terrorist was inspired by what's called Inspire Magazine. Inspired by Inspire Magazine. My goodness, the title is outstanding. Al Qaeda in the Arabian Peninsula, the Federal Reserve Bank remains he says has become an iconic target. Let's listen. Iconic target. John, are you, do you hear this? An iconic target. Iconic. What a, what a crock. No it's, no it's right on, it's on, it's totally on message. Get rid of these crazy people who are against the Federal Reserve.

54:27 I'm sorry? It wasn't a real bomb. Should we be that concerned? Well, clearly if you read the complaint, what it shows is this individual came here. for the purpose of doing a terrorist act. He came here in January of this year, he gets a student visa under the pretext of being a student in a college in Missouri. Throwback to, a call back to 9-11. We had the 9-11 hijackers who came here on student visas and were learning how to fly. And he comes here with again the avowed purpose of committing some sort of jihad here in the United States. He goes to the New York Stock Exchange, he sees that there's significant security there and he shifts his target to the Federal Reserve Bank. Can you tell us about the jihad chakra?

55:19 Can you tell us about the Jihad chat rooms? Oh, okay. I'm not going to say anything that's not in the, uh, in the complaint. Oh, come on. Give me the IRC address. It did say in the complaint that Facebook was used here. Oh, I think we need to crack down on Facebook. Facebook, yeah, gotta make sure everyone uses their real name. We gotta test you on Facebook. Are you guys talking about the health? Is security in New York changing at all as a result of this? Are you doing anything different? No, we always change our game plan a little bit, but as you know, we've devoted an awful lot of resources. to our counter-terrorism efforts. We have over a thousand police officers every day devoted to counter-terrorism. We think we're doing the right things. We also believe that we're doing more than any other city in America. Can you talk about the internet again, going back to that? I love this. Can you talk about the internet again? We need some more scary stuff about the internet. Please do some more internet stuff. Come on, come on, Ray. What was that in this undercover investigation?

56:18 Well it was significant and again Facebook was used, there was a site. This will all come out in the criminal proceedings. It may in fact come out the... Facebook yeah, if you're on Facebook you could be a terrorist. I love it. Cracking down on the Facebook, cracking down. Of course this Inspire magazine we have downloaded ourselves John. And we have a disgusting Spire magazine. Would you like to know about the actual article that inspired him from inspire magazine? Yeah. Well, a lucky of course was eliminated last year by drone. But what we know is that a lucky was a motivator for this person, not fees.

57:07 uh... inspire magazine which a lot he was the prime mover behind was magazine or this is the article that he read that justified to him the killing of uh... children killing of of women killing of children killing of of of women job i'd just heard it i heard right kelly said i can you imagine what the article's title was No, you don't know. It's alright. I'm not going to spoil it for you. Is it still published there? Is it still published? Well, it's available. And if you recall the case of Jose Pimentel, which we had last year, Pimentel used Inspire Magazine, used the article, How to Build a Bomb in the Kitchen of Your Mom. There you go. How to Build a Bomb in the Kitchen of Your Mom inspired this 21 Bangladeshi cyber security student

57:57 To kill children and women at the Federal Reserve! With a thousand pounds of... fake bomb. I mean, sorry, weapon of mass destruction. Why do we... I mean, please tell me that no one buys this anymore, please. Oh, they all buy it. What? We need to come up with something new. But this, I think this... Yeah. As long as it works, they'll keep playing the same script over and over. Meanwhile, all these so-called stings where the FBI comes in and basically coerces these stupid idiot kids into dialing a cell phone number to try and blow up some fake fertilizer. In Seattle, you'll recall we had a similar case.

58:46 That case is now getting thrown out. We're starting to learn more about the young man accused in the alleged plot to bomb the Federal Reserve Bank of New York. The 21-year-old Kazi Nafis from... I'm sorry, that's the wrong... I'm so sorry, wrong clip. What an idiot I am. No, here it is. This is the one. Lawyers for a man accused in a terror plot in Seattle want the case thrown out. They say a Seattle police detective purposely deleted evidence. Abu Khalid Abdul Latif and another man is accused of plotting an attack on the military processing center on East Marginal Way in July of last year. Abdul Latif's lawyers say a detective handling the case deleted hundreds of text messages from a paid informant. They're now asking a judge to throw out the indictment due to a lack of evidence. Yeah, stuff like, hey man, you want to blow something up? Hey, you want to be, you want some, lots of virgins?

CHAPTER 13 / 32 Discussion

Jennifer Livingston, Ellen DeGeneres Show Promotion

News anchor Jennifer Livingston appeared on the Ellen DeGeneres Show following a viral segment about a viewer's "fat-shaming" email. The appearance is analyzed as a highly produced commercial segment featuring product placements for CoverGirl, Marriott, and Matthew Perry's new sitcom. The hosts describe the segment as a "giant commercial" disguised as a human-interest story.

jennifer livingston· ellen degeneres· matthew perry· covergirl· marriott

59:41 Come on people you have to protest this type of reporting I really think we have to we have to protest these these out-and-out egregious hyped up reports of bullcrap yeah, yeah, it keeps the show going so you remember the the the news anchor who got bullied News anchor the one who came out and bullied the guy yeah, yeah, so the so she got bullied he sent her a Private note and said hey you may lose some weight, sweetie. Yeah, that's basically I don't he didn't even say sweetie He wasn't even that mean no, but it's what he said right so she went on Ellen's show now if you have this woman who works for She works in Ohio at a CBS affiliate, and she has a new show And you're on Ellen

1:00:38 Mean well, let's just put it this way if you are Ellen and you're the executive producer Let's move into our career devour our consulting mode for a moment. What could we do John? Yeah Hold on a second. Let's put on our hats. Let's put on our visors. There we go. I've got mine on you. You ready? You ready? Yeah, okay John, we can get Jen, the fat news anchor, we can get her on the show today. What can we do with this? Can we make something out of it? What should we do? Oh, well, she's got to do a book. We have to have a book or something for her to sell because otherwise it's a missed opportunity. No, we don't have time to wait for a book. We can always bring her back for the book. Maybe we can, I don't know, promote some CBS programming. What do you think?

1:01:19 Yeah, that's gonna be a fallback, but if that's it as long as we get paid I'll tell you what I'll also bring is it will do the house ads for CBS for our CBS shows and then we'll bring in Marriott for some kind of vacation destination So we'll get some money out of the deal does that sound good. That's not what I want, but it'll do much. I really do. And I just think more people should watch you. I'm sure that a lot of people do watch you, but I want more people to watch you. So I thought we should do a promo together for your show. So let's walk over here. You hear her insincere, oh, oh, I'm so surprised. Oh, really? What a great idea. Oh, and let's do a promo for your show. Okay. All right.

1:02:06 I think we're standing here. Is that right? Okay, good. All right, let me button my jacket. Okay, ready? Okay. Then I'll button mine too. Yeah. Okay. It's funny because she's fat and Ellen's not. Everyone's laughing. It's funny. Hi, I'm Ellen DeGeneres and when I visit La Crosse, Wisconsin, I wake up with Jen and Bill on News 8 this morning and then I go back to bed because a covergirl needs her beauty sleep. So hold on a second, we just got covergirl, we got the snuck in covergirl, because you know Ellen DeGeneres is also the spokesmodel for covergirl makeup. So that was kind of cool, we snuck that one in. Good one, John, good one. And now let's throw it over to Randy with sports.

1:02:46 Hello there, stepping in for Randy, I'm Matthew Perry. I don't want to talk about sports, I want to talk about Jen and Bill. You should watch them every weekday morning from 5 to 7 on News 8. Oh, and do I have time to mention my show? Go on. Tuesdays at 9, 8 central. Do I have time to mention? No, I'm sorry, Matthew, we don't have time for that. So please watch Jen and Bill every weekday morning on News 8 this morning. And watch the Ellen DeGeneres show every single day in La Crosse at 4pm. Tell them all the cities. In La Crosse and Eau Claire and in Nashville and Chattanooga at 4. In Houston at 2 o'clock. New York City is at 4.

1:03:24 Lake Charles at 1.30, Detroit at 10 o'clock, Anchorage... They just do the whole affiliate list. It's just an excuse to do the entire affiliate list of the Ellen Show. Is this the woman? This is the woman doing it. Well how does she remember all this if this was rehearsed? She's reading the prompter and then we get to the sponsor bit. After we've done the cover girl, we get to the sponsor. ...Honolulu at 3, Indianapolis at 2, Bowling Green is at 3. Alright, and one more thing for you to read. Sure. Right there. This is very exciting because the winters in Wisconsin can be so cold and Ellen thinks I deserve a little break and you are sending me to the Caribbean for a five night. Now I'm just disgusted. That was brought to you by Marriott. Ellen says it.

1:04:18 You can't hear it. Yeah, yeah. And the crowd goes wild! The fat girl gets to go on vacation! Woohoo! Yeah, lots of embedded, uh... This is making the... I mean, there's not enough advertising on television, so let's just embed a bunch of bullcrap while we're at it. But they had... Her show on the CBS affiliate they had the Ellen show on every affiliate all the new affiliates of course it was just a segment to cut you know when you have new affiliates for the show you want to thank them yeah it was a giant commercial giant commercial then for Matthew Perry show go on I like the show actually and then their sponsor Marriott you like the show you like that show yeah I do like that show actually yeah I do what yeah I'll be honest I like the show

1:05:02 Yeah, it's a I like a note. I like crazy people I Like it I like it when crazy when they make fun of crazy people and the and it's better when crazy people are making fun of crazy people and Especially if they're acting to be crazy. I like the whole thing I mean I identify with the the crazies if it feels good to me it does so why would someone name their kid tag? It must be Maybe it's from Tiger for Taggart tagger so there that's a is that a character in Atlas shrugged By I'm ran by Dagny Taggart correct you are the taggart real rail lines, so it could be it could be Named after a taggart rail dad would be crazy It would be pretty nuts, but it could be could be

CHAPTER 14 / 32 Discussion

Blind Man Tased, Samurai Sword Mistake

Police in Lancashire, England, tasered 61-year-old Colin Farmer, a blind man, after mistaking his white cane for a samurai sword. The incident occurred while officers were searching for a different individual reportedly armed with a blade. The police department issued a formal apology for the traumatic mishap, which Farmer described as a nightmare.

colin farmer· lancashire police· taser· white cane· samurai sword

1:05:56 Did you see the story where the British guys the British police tased some blind man? They thought his stick was a sword or something Somebody called in some joke calls the cops and says hey, there's a there's a guy running around with a samurai sword And so they see this blind guy clicking away, you know trying to move I guess he was seated for a while. He tased him and he yells I'm blind. I'm blind and he's in the guys I mean, this is unbelievable. I think the story is bogus. I Really? You think it's bogus? Oh, that's interesting. I can't believe that this would... It's not possible. Hold on, let me just take a look at the actual story. Colin Farmer, blind man. Let's see, a blind man from Lancashire, England was... Let's just read... It's a short report.

1:06:50 From Lancaster, England was tasered by police last Friday after law enforcement officers mistook his white cane for a samurai sword, reports say. This is not possible. Nobody's going to mistake a white cane, everyone knows what they look like, for a sword unless you're a complete idiot. The whole thing was like being trapped in a nightmare, he told the Guardian, it was the Guardian. Yeah, Communist paper of England, the record. The commie paper of record. Uh, I was absolutely terrified, I thought any second I'm going to take it and have another stroke. According to the Associated Press, that's AP, Lancashire police have expressed deep regrets over the horrible mishap. We have clearly put this man through a traumatic experience, we are extremely sorry for that. We've launched an urgent investigation to understand what lessons can be learned. Hmm... Oh, AP writes that a different man carrying a samurai sword was later arrested. Aha! Hmm... The old he-went-that-away trick.

CHAPTER 15 / 32 Discussion

Michael Oren, The View Appearance

Israeli Ambassador Michael Oren appeared on "The View" to warn American audiences about the threat of Iran's nuclear program. Oren claimed the situation could trigger a world war and set the Middle East on fire. The appearance is characterized as fear-mongering designed to influence U.S. foreign policy through daytime television.

michael oren· the view· israel· iran· nuclear program

1:07:49 Yeah, yeah, well, maybe it's just let the slaves know Don't you were don't you try to do anything? We're we are so badass. We'll tase an old blind man You think we're not gonna tase you shit is in hey Could it be that so baby here's another screwy thing so uh You know, you're familiar with the show The View. Yeah, I don't watch it. No, you don't have to watch it because it's terrible, but they've decided to kind of up the ante a little bit. Uh-huh. With, you know, better guests. Uh-huh.

1:08:24 So they brought in one of the some guy for the guy from Israel I guess and and play the this is this is what they use for the teaser to open the show with the crowd going wild. Who's the who's the guy from Israel? Who's? It was it wasn't Netanyahu was there some other guy. Israeli Ambassador Michael Oren has a grim warning to America about how Iran's nuclear program is aimed right at Israel and could drag the US into a world war that'll set the entire Middle East on fire. I love it. I love it. Hey everybody, we could be dying World War 3 might start at any moment. We've got Iran pointed right at Israel. Please welcome the ambassador! Fantastic.

1:09:05 That is like the Dvorak-Curry consulting company took over. That is exactly, you know, that is pretty much win, lose or drone without the... Without the jingle. Yeah, for those of you who have never heard it, it goes like this. Win, lose or drone! That's right, we welcome to The View the guy who's about to get up his butt! My friend, you're a loser on... Win, lose or drone! Here it comes! Woohoo! Something like that. Yeah, perfect. That's good. Well, there you go. Someone's listening to the show. So I only have one last offbeat clip. So there was a... I got suckered into a tease. Somebody said, what does it take to seduce a Victoria's Secret model?

CHAPTER 16 / 32 Discussion

Yemen Drone Strike, Daily Drone Report

A U.S. drone strike in Yemen reportedly killed eight suspected Al-Qaeda operatives, including a senior leader of Al-Qaeda in the Arabian Peninsula. The strike targeted a farmhouse and a vehicle in southern Yemen. The segment features a new "Daily Drone Report" jingle by Kevin Reeves, set to the melody of Gilbert O'Sullivan's "Alone Again (Naturally)."

yemen· drone strike· al-qaeda· daily drone report· kevin reeves

1:09:58 So they brought all these dingbats on yeah, and they just said the stupidest things to say except this one girl who says the who has a Little commentary and as soon as she said it said it I went oh my god this you want to run like the devil from this one a guy actually listens to What I have to say because I have a lot to say a lot of things that don't work And what she thinks is seduction is somebody who listens to what she says because she's got a lot. Hey lady, go write a book. You don't have a lot to say. That's right ladies and gentlemen. John C. Dvorak opens a binder full of women on the No Agenda podcast. Wow. I've got a lot to say. He has to listen. Oh, oh, oh, John, hold on a second.

1:10:53 And this just in to CNN, at least eight suspected Al-Qaeda operatives killed by a US drone strike in Yemen. Woohoo! That's your Daily Drone Report. Are we keeping up on the drone page? Yeah. Did you like the new jingle? Yeah, I love it. That sounds like a, like a Jeff Smith. No, it's not Jeff Smith. It's, uh, Kevin Reeves. No, it's really nice. Play it again. Now what I like about this is it's a classic melody. It's Gilbert O'Sullivan, Naturally is the song. But it is, he did very much like a Jeff Smith thing. This will stick in your head forever. You keep singing, a drone again.

1:11:45 Naturally, you will be pooping on the toilet and for no reason all of a sudden. That's right. It's like, hmm, just minding your own business. All of a sudden... Naturally. And whenever you see a report on television about us droning, and there must be something going on there in Yemen because we got another top operative. An attack taking place at a farmhouse in southern Yemen and according to Yemeni officials, a senior leader of Al-Qaeda in the Arabian Peninsula was one of those killed. We'll stay on that story meanwhile. We got another one.

1:12:24 Another top official good job some poor guy's farmhouse In the farmhouse they catch him on in his car leaving the farmhouse Got some cows and everything to go along with it love the jingle Kevin love the kid of the jingle Kevin. Thank you so much It's awesome. Really really love it just before we Now I showed this to Miss Mickey This morning and women don't find this funny. They do not find this funny at all In fact, I tweeted this out last night and I couldn't help but laugh when I saw this video and I've played it Several times and I just love it

CHAPTER 17 / 32 Discussion

Julia Gillard Faceplant, New Delhi Visit

Australian Prime Minister Julia Gillard suffered an embarrassing fall while visiting a memorial to Mahatma Gandhi in New Delhi, India. Gillard tripped when her high heel became stuck in soft grass, resulting in a faceplant caught on video. The footage gained viral attention, particularly for the reaction of a nearby official in a white robe.

julia gillard· australia· new delhi· mahatma gandhi· faceplant

1:13:05 Some tough times for the Australian Prime Minister Julia Gillard had an embarrassing moment this morning in New Delhi, India She was visiting a memorial to Mahatma Gandhi and she took a tumble later She said one of her heels got stuck in the soft grass. Did you see this? Did you see this video? No, I missed this. Oh good. Oh, just I don't you can even go helium just Google Gillard Falls And just look at the video. She falls on her face like face plant. She does a face plant? Oh yeah, boom. And then watch the guy in the white dress. He's turning around and he's laughing. He gets me every single time. Because the guy's laughing? Because he's like... I mean I can... If you want... I'm assuming find a YouTuber. YouTube. Yeah. So if you want I can put a...

1:14:01 Curry calm link on it if you I'm watched yeah, you're going healing. It's all it's worth it. You should watch it. It's really funny. You got it Do you see the guy laughing in the white dress he's cracking up? Hook yeah, all right, you're gonna have to reset your Reset your your USB thing there cuz you're all helium. It was worth it, but you're helium hello I guess he's doing that already. Yeah me now. Yeah, I got you. Can you hear me? Yeah? I hear you. Yeah, you sound like crap Wow so let me see that was pretty cool with Gillard, but women don't like it She didn't mind it. She was smiling after I think she minded

CHAPTER 18 / 32 Discussion

Hillary Clinton, European Union Nobel Peace Prize

Secretary of State Hillary Clinton congratulated the European Union on winning the Nobel Peace Prize, praising the continent's unity and peace. This statement is contrasted with footage of violent general strikes and firebombings in Athens, Greece. The disconnect between diplomatic rhetoric and the reality of European austerity protests is highlighted.

hillary clinton· european union· nobel peace prize· athens riots· greece

1:15:12 But she said we have to wait men get to wear flat shoes. Well, you can wear flat shoes I don't understand that like now all of a sudden as women have to wear this no well Hillary does so they all do yeah Oh, I'm glad you brought up Hillary. This is very very cool. So Clippity-clop actually I should get her jingle out. Hold on a second It wasn't a good Clippity by the way, they've moved the carpet. Oh In in her room there so now when the door is open she's almost on the carpet immediately So you can barely get a clippity-clop out of her oops. Sorry. I didn't want to play that one I wanted to play clippity-clop

1:15:51 The message is clear. Yo Clippity Clop! Okay, so here's Hillary with the Italian foreign minister doing one of her little Clippity Clop stand-ups. Our very strong commitment to making a difference in the world and beyond and on that point let me congratulate the European Union on its Nobel Peace Prize. Certainly it's quite remarkable to see how unified and peaceful Europe is. Oh, well let's switch over to the BBC. I want to talk about the general strike in Athens where it's kind of kicked off if you will. You can see, oh there's a firebomb. We've seen some tear gas being dropped of course. What is this?

1:16:43 What is it? The second, third, general... Oh, there you go! Yes, this is our peaceful Europe there, Hillary. Thanks! This is fantastic! Congratulations on your peace prize. Bus drivers, air traffic controllers, and of course the... There's nothing but explosions and firebombs going off in Athens. It's not just Athens. No. But this Athens is good. happen by coincidence. It happened because of the very hard work and dedication of leaders and citizens across Europe. So for us, it's a great validation. What planet are you on? Horrible woman.

CHAPTER 19 / 32 Discussion

Portugal Austerity Budget, Cultural Protests

Portuguese Finance Minister Vitor Gaspar unveiled a harsh austerity budget for 2013, including significant income tax hikes and cuts to public salaries and pensions. The average tax levy on wages is set to rise from 9.8% to over 13%. Thousands of artists and citizens held "cultural protests" in Lisbon to oppose the measures required by the 78 billion euro bailout program.

portugal· vitor gaspar· austerity· tax hikes· lisbon

1:17:43 Well, if you haven't noticed, they don't show any of this crap going on to the American audiences. So she's just playing to the American audience. And this was a mistake. I mean, this was supposed to be like a nice little morning chat show where they're just showing a top shot camera of the police and all of a sudden you see these Molotov cocktails flying through. And they're literally surprised like, oh, that's a firebomb. Oh, well, oh, my goodness. Oh, well, what should we do? Portugal, of course, is also They're clamping down. I don't think there's are there riots in Portugal. Have you seen anything yet? That's been pretty obscure

1:18:20 Hmm, I do have a report. Portugal is facing enormous tax increases next year according to finance minister Vitor Gaspar as he unveiled the harshest austerity budget seen by the country in living memory. The average levy on wages would rise from 9.8% to more than 13. A greater amount of people could end up paying more with the number of tax categories reduced from 8 to 5. Hikes in income and corporate taxes will make up almost three quarters of government revenue in 2013 as Lisbon tries to adhere to the 78 billion euro bailout program. Growth is expected to contract by 3% this year and 1% next.

1:19:02 The new budget sees over a thousand three hundred euros cut from public salaries and pensions and unemployment and health care benefits will also be slashed. On Saturday thousands of actors, singers and dancers were on the streets of the capital for a day of cultural protests against the austerity measures. Yeah, yeah, that'll help. Cultural protests. We'll do a little dance. Please don't cut my, my, any of my social security. And by the way, this is coming to your United States of Gitmo nation. No, make no qualms about it. You're going to all be bending over. It's all if, especially if Romney gets elected, he's going to make any difference who gets elected. Oh, you don't think? Oh, I think it'll just be quicker. Maybe that's better. I mean, he's going to do it immediately. You don't think it'll be quicker?

CHAPTER 20 / 32 Discussion

Fiscal Cliff, Stock Market Collapse Prediction

A prediction is made that the U.S. stock market will collapse to 6,000 or 9,000 points if the "fiscal cliff" is reached at the end of 2012. The fiscal cliff involves the expiration of payroll tax cuts and the Bush tax cuts, alongside automatic spending cuts to the military. The economic stagnation is attributed to political gridlock over tax hikes for high earners.

fiscal cliff· stock market· bush tax cuts· payroll tax· military spending

1:19:48 Well, right now there's a bunch of things going on with Obama essentially threatening the Congress over this financial cliff. Yeah. Saying that he's not going to sign anything unless they put in a tax hike for the people making over $250,000. Okay. So they're going to call his bluff. And what do you think it'll really mean though? I mean, what will it really come down to? The stock market's going to collapse. Really? Cool. I mean collapse like where what is it now at 29,000? I said 13,000 something. Okay. So what would it collapse be down to seven down to six? Really? And why and why will that happen?

1:20:37 Well, for one thing, it just will. I mean, I don't know why. Nobody knows why. I'm just telling you it's going to collapse. Hold on. Do you have this in the book, please? I want this one in the book because it's a good prediction. So when we hit the fiscal cliff, which I don't think actually is it does, it's not like January 1st, it all happens, is it? Or January 2nd, the stock market opens and it boom, it's down to six. Is that what you're saying? Well, it's gonna be, it'll ratchet down. Okay. Okay, I'll put it down. Ratchet down to 6,000. Cool. Yeah. And then what will happen to my gold? Your gold? The gold will not go down. I don't know if it's gonna go up though. But it will not go down. This is kind of a good thing though. Well, see here's the thing about the gold that's kind of irksome to me.

1:21:38 Apparently Soros is all in. Okay, what do you mean? Because he's buying gold, right? Yeah, big time. Yeah. Uh-huh. So he could be senile by now for all we know. Yeah, yeah. Blame it on the senile guy. I thought gold was actually going, wasn't gold and silver, weren't they going down just a little bit in the past few? They've been going up and down. Right now I think gold's at 17,000 something. It might go to 2,000 next year, possible. I don't know, let's find out. I mean if Obama, I don't know what's going to happen. All I know is that before the end of the year something has to take place and nobody's, there's no action. Right now it's stagnant. Right.

1:22:21 Um, fiscal cliff, but the fiscal cliff, let's just revisit that because I think a lot of people just hear this term fiscal cliff. They have no idea what it actually means. It means that a number of tax cuts for everyone, for everyone across the board are going to unwind and that means we'll be paying more tax. But what exactly are these taxes? I think we've done this before. I just can't really remember what they are, but it seems like you would know. Yeah, it would seem so wouldn't it? Well, let's take a look on the fiscal cliff website. Oh There's a fiscal cliff website

1:23:04 Among the law set to change at midnight on December 31st, end of last year's temporary payroll tax cuts, you remember that? Yeah. Which is going to increase everybody's payroll tax. The end of a certain tax breaks for businesses, in other words, the way you can deduct expenses is going to change. So now you have to pay everything. Shifts in the alternative minimum tax. the end of the tax cuts from the Bush tax cuts and the beginning of taxes related to Obama's health care law, that goes into play. But at the same time spending cuts agreed to as part of the debt ceiling deal of 2011 will begin to go into effect which means they're going to cut the military and over one hundred programs will be pulled off the table. I've been thinking about this. Cutting the military it would actually be very bad because that's the only business we have.

1:23:55 That's what I'm thinking. Yeah, because I mean that's the only thing that keeps people employed in this country is military and related industries. Yeah. So wait a minute, we're kind of taking our tax money and pumping that into machinery that kills people, preferably brown people who live in sandy areas, and that keeps our neighbors at work. It's kind of a cool system. Yeah, if you don't mind burying the dead. They're far away from me. I don't have to bury the guy in Yemen. Besides, he was Al-Qaeda. Al-Qaeda in the farmhouse peninsula. Okay, so well, all right. So then the market will not take this kindly. So it's going to collapse. Right. Okay. So my guarantee will be at least 9000. That'd be fun.

1:24:50 Interesting buying opportunity for you short sellers Yeah, yeah, I'll be doing that. I like I like Romney's whole idea if you can understand what he's saying He's Romney's Romney is saying that You'll get to deduct twenty four thousand dollars or twenty five thousand dollars just of anything you feel like right Something like they're not listening to me. You're talking to someone I know JC came in here. He's looking for the key for what key I Key the key yeah, well tell him not to bother you during the show left he's left So you get to what he's saying is you'll be able to deduct 25,000, but then you'll only pay 20% on your On your on on your taxes yeah, that's never gonna Bullcrap yeah, I would elect you man. I just want my 30,000 30 grand 30 cash money cash on the barrel

CHAPTER 21 / 32 Discussion

EU Banking Union, Single Supervisory Mechanism

European Commission President José Manuel Barroso is pushing for a "Single Supervisory Mechanism" (SSM) to centralize control of European banks in Brussels. This move is viewed as a step toward a full political and banking union within the EU. Critics argue this removes financial sovereignty from individual member states under the guise of crisis management.

european union· banking union· jose manuel barroso· ssm· brussels

1:25:47 Well, sticking with Euroland for a moment, of course, we have yet another summit taking place. And this is now, of course, all part of the original plan of having a crisis. And then when the crisis is in, then, of course, we need to start implementing the entire the real union, the political union, but not after we complete the banking union, which means all the banks will be basically put together and controlled by Brussels. And they have a great name for it, the SSU. M which is just great. It's SS of course as near the shouldn't stop a bullet say that's right the Hitler's secret police and SM as in sadomasochism and Barossa Worst yeah, and there's an SS troopers that are say sadomasochism Which is you know where they have the skull and here is Barosso hyping it up soon what I still expect is possible to do is to have an agreement and

1:26:41 until the end of this year on one very important element of the banking union is a single supervisory mechanism. As you know, the European Commission put forward a proposal and I expect the next European Council to agree on the main elements of this proposal. So I love this, so the European Commission puts the proposal together and then the European Council votes on it. How are you doing European slaves? Don't worry, we'll take care of that banking for you citizen. No worries. We got it all covered Unbelievable that the Europeans stand for and I've been talking to a lot of Europeans because of course they are following our campaign election You know, they love the show. They actually think it's all real and and I say, you know y'all are laughing about us and

CHAPTER 22 / 32 Discussion

Huawei Espionage Allegations, Cisco Competition

The House Intelligence Committee, led by Mike Rogers, warned American companies against using equipment from Chinese telecom giant Huawei due to national security risks. The committee alleges Huawei could use its routers to intercept communications or wage cyber warfare. The conflict is framed as a trade battle over 4G infrastructure contracts, potentially benefiting U.S. competitors like Cisco.

huawei· mike rogers· cisco· china· 4g infrastructure

1:27:32 Have you seen what's going on in your neck of the woods? Like, oh no man, we're Europe, EU baby. We got all covered. Yeah, not good. No. So there's one news, kind of a thread I was following, which I still think is kind of interesting. We mentioned it on the last show, but it's getting more, it's getting more interesting the more I listen to these, these congressional guys. which is what's happening with Huawei. Yeah, now bring us up to speed. This is the company from China that is making routers and they spy on us? Well, when you start reading between the lines of why we don't want them in the country, the picture becomes pretty clear that they can spy on us if they wanted to. And I have four clips, but let's start with, unfortunately, they all say they're the first clip.

1:28:34 Because I kept backing up. Oh, no, this is even better so I have Huawei clip zero which is like ground zero. Okay, here we go. We trust the Chinese if I were in American company today And I'll tell you this is the chairman of the house permanent select committee on intelligence and you were looking at Huawei I would find another vendor if you care about your intellectual property if you care about your consumers privacy and you care about the national security of the United States of America Republican Congressman Mike Rogers and the ranking Democrat on the House Intelligence Committee, Dutch Ruppersberger, believe that letting a Chinese company build and maintain critical communication infrastructure here would be a serious mistake.

1:29:21 Okay, so they're basically cutting them off at the knees and we're always kind of a bunch of douchebags anyway So it's not really bothering anybody but now play the clip that says play this first United States of America Republican Congressman Mike Rogers and the ranking Democrat on the House Intelligence Committee Dutch Ruppersberger believe believe that letting a Chinese company build and maintain critical communication infrastructure here would be a serious mistake. One of the main reasons we are having this investigation is to educate the citizens and business of the United States of America in the telecommunications world. Once you get the camel's nose in the tent, you can go anywhere. Their overriding concern is this.

1:30:04 that the Chinese government could exploit Huawei's presence on US networks to intercept high-level communications, gather intelligence, wage cyber war, and shut down or disrupt critical services in times of the national emergency. Okay, stop it there. Now, here's the question. If that's true, what are we doing? Well, what do you mean, what are we doing? If they, if the gear, if all these routers and this telecommunications gear, which we also make, Ericsson makes and Alcatel makes, those are the four companies in the world that do this stuff. Right.

1:30:39 And wouldn't our stuff be this, I mean if we would only know that you could do this sort of spying if our equipment did it right? Yeah well of course you're saying that we're not? No I'm saying we are but that's kind of the underlying message here that's being ignored by this whole discussion. What is, why is this discussion on, what is the contract that Huawei is out for? There's obviously a big fish And someone else is going for it, and I would say that someone else is probably Cisco. Well actually Cisco probably won't get this. This is the 4G stuff that Huawei makes and the big fish is all the telecom companies.

1:31:20 Okay, so it's all the 4G stuff is what you're saying? Yeah, and the only guys that really do it right is Huawei and Ericsson. Right, well Ericsson, don't they lose money on this stuff? I thought they really sucked. Yeah, they do and they still get an undercut. Yeah, interesting. Anyway, so this goes on and on. It's a very long piece and I don't want to play any more of the clips except the one. They do have some Stooge, that's his name's Plummer. He's a PR guy who's the only guy that Huawei will let anyone talk to. This company was started by some general from the Chinese army or something. He won't, he's never given an interview and it's very secretive. And this company now is the biggest in the world and everyone suspects the Chinese are the reason because they're just essentially China.

1:32:04 But so this this apologist comes on at the end and I have to say finally some even though there was easy pickings because the guy's a douchebag. They actually drill him with some some harsh you know kind of treatment which I thought was worthwhile listening to. Over the 10 years of explosive growth we were not as good as at communicating about ourselves as we could or should have been. But over the last couple of years, we've really stepped that up. You want to know more about us? We're an open book. Really? Yeah. Has Mr. Ren ever given an interview? Mr. Ren is not terribly well known for his getting out in front of the media. We requested interviews at various points along the way with company officials both in China and here.

1:32:55 And we got their most important spokesman and lobbyist here in the United States, but it's not like they swung open the doors and said, you know, we're an open book. Well, I think that... You allowed our camera crews in to your facilities in Shenzhen, and there was a big banner saying, welcome, 60 minutes, but we weren't allowed to talk to anybody. Well, I think that we... To speak to anybody. The goal of the visit to Shenzhen was to give a really rich and visual impression of the company. It is a company that has experienced a history of not fully balanced treatment by the media. And that's created a sense of wariness. Huawei is not going to like the treatment it receives from the House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence any better. Its final report is due tomorrow.

1:33:47 So when I am elected president in 2016 and I kick Hillary and Jeb Bush's ass as an independent, I am going to put tariffs on all Chinese manufactured electronics to a thousand percent. Just kick it all out. I mean, it's ridiculous. Just kick it all out. It's all crap. And you know, it's going to suck and you won't have your iPhone 7 or 8 at that point. And it's going to, you know, you're going to be And it'll take five years when I'm reelected for my second term and then we'll have American-made products Which will be very functional will work great and look ugly. Well, it's not that the Huawei stuff looks great No, but I'm just saying that as a part of that, you know, we have very little design sense in America, unfortunately So most of the stuff looks like crap

1:34:40 Yeah, Apple stuff will probably still look good. I mean the Apple stuff. Yeah, they'll look good We get but again. It's a Brit. You know Johnny eyes. I'm Johnny eyes. I design a beautiful man. I'm Johnny I'm Johnny eyes You're like the Johnny Ives puppet. If you ever saw Johnny Ives, wouldn't you just want to slap him? Is there something a little bit in you that just wants to slap the guy? I can't help myself. And you go, well, when we were deciding we wanted to make something really functional and beautiful. Blow me, Johnny Ives. I never heard of this guy before a couple of years ago. Yeah, well, you know what I mean? It's just a little too smug for me.

1:35:28 It is beautiful. It really is. But you know, there was a point when we all thought Bang & Olufsen was beautiful too. That went out of fashion. Yeah, well Bang & Olufsen stuff, the newer stuff, they still have the stores. I don't know, it's completely out of fashion. It's really expensive. When is the last time you saw a B&O set up in someone's house? I can't recall. I don't have friends rich enough probably. I don't think I've ever seen it. And I do have friends rich enough. Who's buying that crap then?

1:36:16 Well, I don't know. It seems to be for the apartment, rich apartment dweller. Well, I just don't under, I mean, this story has been on the books. Maybe it's a money laundering operation. B&O, they're just running drugs through the company and look at the CD player. Don't look over here. This whole Huawei story, which of course is, I have not seen reported really anywhere else in the tech press. Tech press doesn't understand what to do with this story. So I'm glad you're bringing it up. To me, it seems like we... Enough already. Can we just stop with the Chinese gadgetry? I mean, can we just stop? We can make this stuff in America. We have fabs in America. Wouldn't that be... Isn't that the solution to everything? Wouldn't that solve the whole economy if we all just become little Chinese factory workers? Actually, even in the Chinese factories, it's mostly robots now.

CHAPTER 23 / 32 Discussion

Unclaimed Property, MissingMoney.com Security Concerns

A discussion regarding state-held unclaimed property leads to an investigation of the website MissingMoney.com. Concerns are raised about the site's requirement for social security numbers to claim lost funds. Personal anecdotes describe how banks transfer inactive accounts to the state after short periods of dormancy, effectively seizing citizen assets.

missingmoney.com· new jersey· social security number· identity theft· bank accounts

1:37:13 It's the cost of doing business is really the problem. With the highest corporate tax rate in the world, in the United States, it's very difficult for anyone to start a factory and do anything. Right, but if there's no competition from outside, it'll be easier. Yeah, then you could jack up the prices and manage to make a living. Well, hold on a second. You have to remember, not only am I president in 2016, but you are my You're my running mate and I'm the Joe Biden. You are the Joe Biden. John C.O. Biden and you'll be handing out $30,000 everybody and have zero corporate tax rate and this is our plan isn't it? Yeah that would be fine then we'd be we'd be pumping it out. And then what else? Well of course by then that's all you need by the way that's the two things give everybody some dollars and drop the corporate tax rate to zero and the country's back on its feet. The question is

1:38:12 Will we ever have your connection fixed by that time? Probably not. I'm gonna show my salute by donating to No Agenda. Imagine all the people who could do that. Oh yeah, that'd be fab. As I break up here in the ether, we do have a few people who donated. James Chapko, Ground Point, Indiana, 155.55. Feel free to use my name on the show. No need for G. Been a boner since my last donation on episode 198. Adam suggested to check state's unclaimed money website for G. I think I'm the one who suggested that. Wow, John, just stop. Just stop. Just reconnect or something. Just do something, please. So let's just do James Chapko again for me. Let's see how we do. James Chapko in Crown Point, Indiana, 155.55.

1:39:11 No need for jingles. Been a boner since my last donation on episode 198 around episode 380 of your show. Adam suggested to check the state's unclaimed money website for free cash and there was $100 in his name. You deserve the money plus a magical, by the way everyone should do that, and not just in your state. I have some money sitting in the New York, or the state of New York. Yeah, I'm afraid to do that because I looked it up once and they said you know you have to send us all your information. No, no. Yeah, yeah. No. Yeah, we went through this whole conversation. But we're going through it again. You went to some scam site. Well, what's the site I need then? I don't know. Free money for me from the state. It should be a state.gov site. Okay. If it's anything else, it's a scam. Okay.

1:40:10 Black Knight Jan Purseel in Hamburg, H-A, Deutschland. He was in Hamburg. 1, 2, 3, 4, 5. It's been a nightmare. Just woke up from a dream last night in which I was listening to Noah Jenning. My donation could not be read out. Even worse, the show had to end because of it. And I was the one responsible. Well, since we are slowly closing in on the flu season and because of my subconscious half, aka the dark side of the night, gently reminding me of my knighthood duties, here is a karma boost. booster shot donation, which I urge everyone to consider if you do not want the show to come to an end. I'd love it for some trains, good planes, bad karma for you guys since you seem to travel more these days. And for Werner Bogula, in retrospective because he is the best meme preaching colleague one could ask for when going out there and propagating the formula to journalism students. Okay. What's this last thing?

1:41:10 Vietnam was a blast Werner keep up the good work. I think he wanted the code read out You can't just like leave that out of there. Okay. All right black knight. Yon here we go all aboard trains good planes bad You've got karma. There's your booster shot. Thank you so much No, no Yeah, a John Cosimo in White Plains, Maryland one two three four five. I don't have a note from him I think I did get one Austin Voss in Sir Austin Voss in Calgary, Alberta one one one one one happy fifth Which is a double 5555 Ashley Hurst in Seattle 6960 ups. Oh, hold on a second. Hold on that came way too quick Oh

1:42:06 That's not even the right one! It could be the last time, so here we go. 69! 69, dude! Don't wanna miss the opportunity. 69, 69's you got there. Oh, wow. A lot of them. Ashley Hurst in Seattle, 69, 69. David Eckersley in Yellingup. yelling up Western Australia 6969 let's keep some lucky swa's on enough streak going for all those Anita's I'm getting a little paid karma but for me can I have some Perth house selling karma absolutely here it comes you've got karma search

1:42:46 Charles Anderson at Columbus, Ohio 6969 gotta keep the swazzle enough going just how do you spell that anyway we actually had it as a show title PayPal cancelled my boarding pass subscription saying that you cancelled it bullcrap yeah I hate it when that happens and they always say that we did it it's beyond me hey so hold on a second state of New Jersey Adam C. Currie has the address where I lived And then it says reported by not disclosed amount not disclosed. Ooh, that's a big amount. That's what you said last time we went through this. And then you click on it. If you can answer yes to all these questions, you may be able to claim this item. Is this your name? Yes. Do you live or have you lived at the address listed? Yes. Do you have or have you lived in the state holding the property? Yes. Have you conducted business with the company listed in the reported by column? Well, I don't know because it says unreported.

1:43:42 So I just say yes I can claim and then it wants all of this information. Like what? All my information including my social security number. Not so happy at giving that to missingmoney.com. Oh you're at missingmoney.com? Go find the website run by the state of New Jersey. They link you through to missingmoney.com. No. Yes. Yes here it is. State of New Jersey, Department of the Treasury, Claimant information, reporting information, search for unclaimed property. And you click on that from the unclaimedproperty.nj.gov and it says, you are now leaving the state of New Jersey Department of the Treasury. Unclaimed property, administration website. To collect the property, make sure you're being redirected to missingmoney.com. UPA works on a daily basis with the missing money to reunite New Jersey residents with lost or abandoned property. Then I have to give my social security number to these guys? This is exactly what we went through last time.

1:44:40 And you refuse to do it and just contact them and tell them your concerns? Yeah, good luck with that. Well, it could be a million dollars. That would mean at one point I had a million dollars. A million dollars doesn't just show up. Alright, screw you. I'm gonna do it. I'm gonna fill it out. I'm gonna put in my... I'm just gonna do it. It's gonna be like five grand or something. Big dough. Yeah, you know, it's like what are they gonna steal from me anyway? Go ahead, take my identity. Good luck with it. Well, I don't think they're going to do that. All right. I just noticed this donation has to take up my total of 13378 magic numbers. Just show up. Please give me a shut up slave to do the head job hunting karma. I work for a very large financial institution. When it sounds like you're running after someone and us peons don't get massive bonuses. That's for the douchebag investment bankers on Wall Street.

1:45:35 And I got shifted over to a new position that's not really something that's my bag in the moral in the morning in the whole department. What? Oh, in the morale in the whole department is crap. So I'm going to be looking for something new soon. All right, here we go. You've got karma. Job hunting karma. There's something sick about that combination. Well, yeah. Yes, it is. Indeed. We love it. It's totally sick. We love it. Daniel Varg in Raleigh, North Carolina at 69.69. Keep up the good work. William Arcan, Black Knight Bill in Drackett, Drackett. Is it Drakett? Drackett. Mass of tax nuts. Yay, yay, yay.

1:46:22 I'll take a while to get onto that. 69, because I know how much you hate... Yeah, when you say it, yeah, it's kind of annoying. Massive tax and that's as good. I like it. Well, that was mine. That's why it was good. No, you said it and then I identified it. Okay, sure. 69, 69, Knute or Knute Matheson in No City. No cities, no city. No city. No state 6969 longtime droner first-time donor I've been listening to Noah Jenison's Adams journey into the pipelines. I just can't get enough of it. Oh nice I'd like a hey citizen to to the head yay the privacy reasons do not use my nest. Oh well. Thank you very much Good good work everybody. Oh a newt this is the ways for now the staff is doing great work, okay?

1:47:14 YAY! Karma. And just keep highlighting his name. That's really that really works. You see you wanted me to pronounce it. Brandon Savoie in Port Orchard, Washington 69 69. Geez. I hope the 69 69 donation streak never ends. By the way, we do not promote this.

1:47:55 No, in fact we think it's gonna end every single week. I think it's done. Congratulations! Nothing further is needed from you at this time. Your claim has been electronically forwarded to the state of New Jersey. Unclaimed Property Administration. If anything further is needed from you to process your claim, the UPA will contact you directly. Return to search for more missing money. Awesome. So these guys became outsource bullcrappers. And by the way, this whole missing money thing is annoying. Any bank account that you don't like dick with every so often, they just send it right to the state. They take the money, boom, it's gone. Really? Yeah, and you go back to the bank, hey, where's my money? Oh, we sent it to the state. Why? Why? Because you haven't been in for nine months. Huh. So what? Yeah, that is kind of weird.

1:48:46 I lost my bank account at the San Francisco, I had a nice account at the credit union, state employees credit union and I go there to do some work with them and boom, the money's all gone and the account's closed. Really? Yeah. Well we'll see what happens. I mean either my identity is now being used by some douche nut in Nigeria. Yeah, we'll find out soon enough. I hope you never say, okay. I hope you never play another Leon Panetta head clip ever again. Leon Panetta, Pinheada clip. Pinheada. No. The Leon Pinheada. Pinheada. I get it. Pinheada. Got it. Yeah, I get it. I haven't been properly lobotomized from having to stand on deck to listen to this speech a couple of months ago. So can I get an Italian mafia hit? Previously defined as little girl shot up a slave followed by two to the head.

1:49:44 Yes, we can give you that one. No problem. So I think- Yep. Hold on a second. Who? Uh, it's- Yeah, you did pretty well. Yonkolia Paina. I think that's correct. Ha! And he laughs. $69.69, small return for keeping me sane. He would like to get some too delicious MILF ITM karma. Jeez Louise, come on, too delicious MILF? Oh man, you keep me busy. It's almost too delicious to believe, my friend.

1:50:31 It's not like this is easy or anything, you know, you didn't you left out the ITM. Oh, no, I didn't Stephanie Herlinger in Rochester, New York Codex hometown 69 69 William T. Christman the fourth Baxter Kentucky 69 69 ITM longtime boner now from Harlan, Kentucky known for coal multi-generation welfare families and the show justified I've been here since John's comments on linguisa and cooking sous vide yuck I wrote Adam of an encounter with DHS FPS officers at a traffic stop and promised to donate I humbly request some f cancer karma for two new listeners my wonderful friend

1:51:23 uh, Shara and my mom Amy who is battling stage four lung and bone. D-douche me too. Thanks for all the... you guys do. Oh my goodness. Of course. You've been D-douched. You've got karma. I'm gonna have to count up these 69. 69 is it looks like we're getting close to the record of 22. Uh... Lauren sir Larry Froncheck in Lost Wages, Nevada. 69 69 Sir Larry here Dame Cara and I were listening to Sunday's show and we're shocked to hear this 69 69 donation by another Larry and Cara. Oh

1:52:09 Since the odds of this happening are almost 1, 17, 1, 2, oh he's from Las Vegas so he would know. 17 million to 1, we feel like it's a sure sign to donate to the best podcast in the universe. I think better is we should hook you guys up and you should have a foursome, like wife swapping or something. Yeah, they wouldn't have to worry about shouting out the wrong name. Well, unless it's Larry and Larry. Oh, Larry. Oh, Larry. Oh, Larry. Well, I'm thinking modern here, John. Not like you, old-fashioned, old-school. Random Hillbilly in Elkins, West Virginia, 69-69.

1:52:46 Like, uh, his delay is due to a continual IRS reaming which may be ending soon. Adam is right, we should never give Adderall to the kids. Why should they should be for us? Yeah! He's an old space cadet. It's the only way I can get through some weekdays. Yeah, keep that to us, man. Don't be giving that to your damn kids. Crazy. And again, I will sometimes mix it with the weed because speed plus weed is. Wait a minute. Speed plus weed is spweed! Sounds like a groovy combo. I wish I still did weed. I would definitely try it. Cool.

1:53:22 Where's Waldo or Waldo in Kalamazoo? Well, Waldo's in Kalamazoo, Michigan. We found him. 6969, your team has shown integrity not seen in the media. Adam admitted some negative accusations about Ron Paul were plausible and John conceded similarities between it can't happen here and Atlas shrugged. Keep analyzing the legislation and getting us the real news. Please give me some personal and professional karma. Also give horror with some karma for hiring Adam. Oh He didn't hire me. I did it for free It's like I do a little disclaimer at the end of his at the end of his podcast thingy Oh you do you do their little the rap? Yeah, of course I do you said would you do that for me? How much your voice over work? Yeah unpaid he said how much he's literally said how much should charge for that? I'm like I'm not gonna charge you money for that nuts

1:54:17 Anyone else with a podcast? Yeah, of course I'll charge them. You've got karma. Thank you for printing the claim inquiry from MissyMoney.com. The claim details are shown below. This is provided for your reference. Got it. Oh, it doesn't say what I have. It says, please not reply to this email address. It's only used to send claim inquiry notifications. So what did I get? I got nothing. I got an email. I got a freaking email. Get another email with the... maybe just get a check in the mail for a million dollars. And by the way, it went to spam. Thank you very much, of course. Hey, that closes the segment. Oh my goodness. 69! 69, dudes! Alright, well we'll see how we do on Sunday, but I'm...

CHAPTER 24 / 32 Discussion

Haloperidol Side Effects, Medical Warnings

A listener's father-in-law, a psychiatrist, warns against the recreational or experimental use of the antipsychotic drug Haloperidol (Haldol). He describes the drug's effects as turning a person into a "dribbling zombie" for several days, making it difficult to function or work. The drug is typically reserved for highly agitated patients or for use in extraordinary rendition scenarios.

haloperidol· haldol· psychiatry· side effects· zombie state

1:55:08 Well, I don't know. We did okay, so we'll see. I mean, it has to end eventually. I think we should... Well, we'll see. It's probably gonna... Come on, it's gotta end. Okay, now we have... This is a long note. I'm gonna read most of it. I've edited it down a bit from what you have. Matt Hyde in East Sussex, UK. 5969, which doesn't count. Last time I donated, I was having a new human resource with my super hot wife. It was seven months ago. However, now I feel more refreshed than I had in the kids, blah, blah, blah. I get more sleep than ever and he goes on and on. I should have cut this out too. I discussed the topic of Adam taking Haloperidol with my father-in-law who is an eminent psychiatrist. Oh wait a minute, hold on a second. We're talking about the Haldol which I've been dying to try and I have a line on it. I have a complete offer ready to go.

1:55:58 He recounted a story of how he too, he too was interested in the effects of some of these drugs since he was giving it to so many patients on a daily basis. Uh-huh. Seems right, right? Right. So he took a dose of Haldol to try it out and he described being in bed for two to three days and unable to go to work for around a week. It took him a significant time to feel normal again. While it is quick acting and hence used on a very agitated patient or victims who you tend to extraordinarily render across a hostile border, it lasts a very long time. It also means that you are a dribbling zombie for a very long time too.

1:56:39 The general advice is not to take it if you do not want to miss three to four shows. You really feel the need to lose control of all your bodily functions very quickly but return to service in time to do the next show then he recommends some other drug. So in other words, no, you should not even try it. Well I could do it if we had like a vacation week or something. It would be a crappy vacation. He didn't say that. It sounds like it. He needs a Huntsman hello everybody to the head karma. Huntsman hello everybody to the head karma. My goodness. Let me start that again. Hold on a second. Hello everybody! It's tough. Yeah, it wasn't your best. 5569 Sir James

CHAPTER 25 / 32 Discussion

Fifth Anniversary Donations, Listener Karma Requests

In anticipation of the show's fifth anniversary, listeners sent numerous "55.55" and "69.69" donations. Requests for "karma" cover various personal struggles, including job hunting, cancer battles, and house sales. A notable survivor of prostate cancer shares his story of five-year survivorship coinciding with the show's history.

saskatoon· 5555· karma· prostate cancer· job hunting

1:57:41 in Saskatoon, to Paris I might add, of Canada. Which we've been queried about, people having troubles with this categorization of Saskatoon. I got a bunch of emails and I mentioned to the guy, he said where'd you get this bull crap? And I said, who's a guy who's probably never been to Saskatoon of course, and I said I always wanted to go to Saskatoon and I was told by a Canadian with another Canadian standing next to him nodding his head in agreement that Saskatoon was the parent of Canada. Right. That's it. That's the story. I've been a deadbeat for too long, says Sir James. Time to donate. Plus I'm in need of some school, some job. Get laid, General Carmen, now that I'm done school. Done school. With, done with school. You need a lot. You need more school. I'm done with school. I've had an interview from my, by the way,

1:58:37 So there was this I've graduated college issue cropped up. I you know it's like that might complain about hospital He went hospital or whatever. I've got a two hospital you mean to hospital yeah to hospital I graduated college I haven't I'm Negotiating right now with it for an end of show clip for Sunday show which will explain why this is wrong. Oh, okay? Well, that should be interesting teaser. It's a teaser. Yeah, whoo I've had an interview for my dream job but I'm only shortlisted now so I need to find something in the interim. Great work with the show lately, doing my best to stay up and it makes great alternative to the bullshit going on with the US election. Shout out to the Roll SK and other Saskatoon slaves and toot it ahead to the douchebag Stephen Harper. Can you please send me some karma by way of the huntsman? Thanks and keep up the good work. He doesn't understand this situation.

1:59:34 You've got karma. Jeff Chapman in Kapunda, South Australia, 5555. Hope the show goes another five years. Sir Scott Hankel in Sunderland, California, 5555. Daniel Sains in Spring, Texas, 5555. Small token of my appreciation for your wonderful show. From your cellist friend, I would request a science

2:00:19 Sains and Karma. Thank you science what he just says is the thing CD when he hears science. He hears his last name, okay? You've got Karma like that 5555 from Montreal, Quebec. An anonymous donation. Ryan Couture in Billings, Montana. 5555 is another five years we will. Donating now because of John's plea via email. Maybe taking advantage of my overworked state. Today is my 33rd straight day of working. 12 hour night shifts. Must be a sign. Have another 10 or 15 more before I get a day off. Geez.

2:00:57 What do you do? Buildings in Montana, probably in a mine or mining or something. Natural resources. Hope for a little job karma that gets things better again. You've got karma. James Ganaway, or as it says on here, Ganaway James, which sounds like a bank robber. Burleson, Texas, 55, 55. My brother introduced me to the show two months ago and I've been listening ever since. Guess I need a de-douching and some getting laid karma would be nice. OK. You've been de-douched. You've got karma.

2:01:38 From Kranj, or parts unknown in Slovenia. I think it's Ratchko Tanchic, 5555. You can correct me later. Norman Lorraine in Edmonton, Alberta, where all the money is, 5555. Congratulations on five great years. I'll spare you the wood jokes. I don't get that either love the show keep it up. I guess that's a good joke. Oh keep it up. Oh Sir Ken O'Byrne and Frostburg Maryland 5555 Robert DeLong and port towns in Washington up the street 5555 a refugee from the US I'm glad someone is taking the BS on 1997 I lost everything I had to medical bills for my

2:02:29 deceased wife's cancer she was 44 and I had a 1 million dollar policy and I had to sell the house. I saw this note come in I was like oh my god. It got cantated here so give up on karma. But what he did is he hopped on someone's yacht and and just left everything behind and sailed away to Australia. Right. Which I think is very cool so we'll give you some some Aussie F cancer karma. You've got karma. He had a million dollar policy, his wife died of cancer and he lost everything? Yeah. But what? The million dollars doesn't cover it? Apparently not. Jeez. And this is not getting any better. Wend Miller, you need a two million dollar policy. Wend Miller, Medford, New Jersey, 55-55. Morgan Neck in Hershey, Pennsylvania.

2:03:21 Yum 55 55 years home the next five years are better pause for reaction from Adam Just kidding give yourself some karma for giving us the best podcast in the universe. I'm do a best podcast You've got karma just chat it up a bit there onward with more congratulatory donations from Jake Kenyon burp burpin Gary Queensland Australia they get some great names of places in Australia and In the morning, as my second donation for the best podcast in the universe, I'd like to call my dad out as a douchebag. Hey now! Douchebag! As he still hasn't donated and has been listening longer than I have. Happy 50th to you both. Keep up the excellent work deconstructing the world. Can I get a karma for everyone who listens with a WD7?

2:04:11 Think it means a WT seven maybe World Trade Center, right? Yeah, okay. Let me do that for a second here and we go You've got karma John Richard in New Orleans, Louisiana 55 55 Brent Dombrowski In Colorado Springs, 55. Greetings from the basement of the military industrial complex. This is all I can muster for now since I haven't been employed that long. What little karma this donation merits, I would like it sent to my girlfriend to help her find a job after following me to Colorado. Keep up the good work. I wish my commute was longer so I could listen to more of the show. Well, you just listen to more of the show. You've got karma. Just drive around aimlessly. Yeah, just drive around the block a couple times.

2:05:03 Dame Andrea and Rocky Mountain House, Alberta 5555 Dame Andrea and Sir Kelly are responding to the plea for the magical 5555 donation says all the money is here in Alberta We figured we should share. It's a fact fact about the great work We've still been listening since the beginning and we keep listening until the mothership arrives I would say it's Dame Andrea not an Andrea, but that's just me Andrea Andrea Andrea Joseph Stokes in Spring, Texas. That's the second we get Spring, Texas. With your help I continue to propagate the formula. You should hear my 17-year-old daughter's comments about her AP government class and classmates. The lights are on now and there's no turning back. The formula is working. He hit his daughter in the mouth. I guess so. Awesome. Archibald, I don't know, is a pretty dangerous podcast for students.

2:05:56 Archibald Kelly Niagara Falls, Ontario 5555 I'm not in need of karma today, but give us some to Adam for his exam on Saturday Here's to another five years of the best podcast in the universe. Thank you very much. Yeah two o'clock on Saturday I'm going for my exam. Oh, that's right. You've got karma You've missed two questions, that's my prediction. Two questions. Two questions? That's all? Yeah. John Degaudio. Degaudio. Massapequa Park. Massapequa. CQDX. CQDX. Practicing for my exam. 5555. Happy 5th. You get these PayPal messages. I appreciate some karma for the family, hoping that they all have the same luck, good fortune, blessings that I have enjoyed my entire life.

2:06:43 You've got karma. This is a long list. Well, how many times do you get to celebrate your fifth? Not that often. Mervin Isaac Hunt is next Friday, by the way, so we still have one more show, two more shows where we can get a few more of these. Mervin Isaac Hunt, go to Dvorak.org slash NA. Wayland, Ontario, 5555. First time donor, long time boner, keeping the great work, looking for some, looking for love, karma. You've got karma Wolfgang Mueller in Munich, München, Deutschland 5555 way overdue. Day is what he says. Damien Estevez in Isabella, Puerto Rico. Formerly a donor from Puerto Rico now of Columbus, Ohio. Thank you PayPal. Last time I donated I asked for karma for college which obviously worked because I graduated and am now employed with a great job. Hence the donation.

2:07:41 Thomas Gilbride in Waco, Texas 5555 you can call me Tom not Thomas and say hi to Nancy my smoking hot girlfriend who's going to be 70 in February and Thanks, just 99 miles up the road from crackpot at Austin's look send pictures Christopher gray in Palm Bay, Florida 5555 Noah Bratzel in st. Paul, Minnesota nuts 5555 happy verse anniversary of filthy animals Sir, Dennis Cruz in Beaverton, Oregon Wishing for the best for No Agenda and all involved. Give a shout out to hotcoffee.org, home of the No Agenda archives. Chris Witten, W-H-I-D-D-O-N in Huntersville, North Carolina. Robert Goschko, Sir Robert Goschko to you in Sherwood Park, another Alberta in, where all the money is. Greetings from Gitmo Nation back, Bacon, here it is to five years of the best podcast in the universe. Did another five years, keep hitting him in the mouth. Needs a karma shot. You've got karma.

2:08:43 Victor Greg Decatur Georgia 55-55 James Elworth Honolulu Hawaii nuts 55. Okay okay now it's now I've had enough. I knew you would do it. You can't have Hawaii nuts. Yeah I won't say that again. Honolulu best wishes from a fellow Berkeley grad Cal Firetetford. Did you graduate from Berkeley? Is that where you went to school? Yeah. Did you really go there? Yeah? What I'm doing I never learned behind Sir John Schumann Madison, Wisconsin 5555 sir Tim Tillman burr Mechanicsville, Virginia 5555 karma shot for the fellow Knights you go. You've got karma here we go and Janice Total Jen Bruns know ultan Bruns

2:09:45 Butch and Bruins in Hartford, South Dakota, 55. Miss Anonymous in Metair, or I think it's Metairie. Metairie. Yeah, you got to have the girl in the Metairie. Louisiana, 55, 55. I'll be in Austin at the end of the month for a triathlon. Request that the rain stick be locked in the closet. Also, please send some karma my way to help with my post-graduation job hunt. Hold on a second. So, she, it's a she. Yeah. She runs triathlons, has just graduated. Here's your karma, send pictures. You've got karma. Bill Rodas in Adelaide, South Australia. And I'll keep my stick in the closet. Yeah, yeah, you better do that.

2:10:35 Happy fifth home of the Australia Adelaide is home of the 12 2012 gender war started by our douchebag Prime Minister ducks ass gig Lard and I have a little girl shut up slave karma combo for my daughter Maya's sixth. Oh, yeah play it loud for her. She'll love it You've got karma Onward with the 5555 celebratory donations. Eric Roozeboom. Roseboom. Roseboom and crimping on the lake. Lick. Very good. I wanted to thank you for the karma you sent six months ago. It really worked. This time I'm asking for a big fuck the cancer karma for the grandfather of my son. His name is

2:11:21 Art on, Art on, I guess. Art and is fighting. Oh, okay. My former father-in-law needs the good luck and karma because he's up for the less possible chemo for John. I found a site www.dwotd.nl Or he can learn Dutch, a Dutch word every day. Oh, it's the Dutch word of the day. Hold on a second. Dutch word of the day dot NL. Perfect. Let's see what our Dutch word of the day is. Oh, John, oh fantastic. Here we go. It has audio. Vel over bin. There you go. This is your Dutch word of the day. Vel over bin. Or over bin. Vel over bin. Vel over bin.

2:12:16 literally translates to skin over bone. It applies to situations where people or animals are dying of hunger and literally only have skin left. However, it can also be used to say that somebody is very skinny or scrawny, basically emphasizing how skinny the person is. Once again, vel over bane. Or over Ben. Very good. So he finishes, Eric finishes with the groten uit, the polder bunker in crimpen on de leek. Very good. Let me give him that cancer. Wow. Crap. You've got karma. I think that definitely kicked the cancer karma out. That was loud. Howard Abraham in Wroch, another one in Rochester, Minnesota. 5555, my friends and family have started to give me that look when we discuss world events. I haven't even mentioned Harper the mothership yet. Please influence the universe with some just send cash karma as I try to sell my house.

2:13:14 We just need cash. I know a lot of people want to send blankets or water. Just send your cash. You've got karma. I can just imagine, you know, if you listen to the show and you understand some of the deconstructions and you bring it up at a conversation that everybody doesn't, you know, see the world that way. You know what's funny is that Miss Mickey, I have to stop her now because there'll be something like someone will tweet something about Oh, there was, okay, so there was a, like a 4.5 earthquake in Maine, right? And then she says, oh, I'm gonna tweet about HAARP. It's H-A-A-R-P, right? I said, no, honey, don't. Don't tweet that because people will not understand. Yeah, so yeah, it's true. You gotta calm people down. Kurt C. Anderson in New Hope, Minnesota. We got a lot of Minnesota-ins.

2:14:15 No Agenda and I will forever have a weird connection is on October 26, 2007 was your episode one and for me it was the day I was diagnosed with prostate cancer. I was 48 at the time and practicing prostate cancer prevention three to four times a week. What does that mean? I got some ideas. So let's both celebrate our five years of survivorship together. I have no sudden disease, but because of the side effects of treatment, I'll forever be a no boner. But at least I am now a donor to the best podcasting universe. That is possibly the most depressing note I have ever read. It's pretty, it's pretty... Well, look, first of all, yeah, I'm very, very happy you're a survivor. Totally.

2:14:59 Totally yeah, well, and so here's your let's just celebrate that with some karma. You've got it's all in the head. It's all in the head I'm telling you you can do it all in your head. Okay. Here's a name. That's a winner tune to tenel well No in Amsterdam now that would be I'm sorry no tone to to know tone to to know tone to to know I knew it Thank you for five years of the best podcast universe haven't donated before but since I just ended my newspaper and cable subscriptions a wise idea I might just send some money to say that I saved to you. Please send a toot of the head to my colleague Marrin Shriver Marraine Shriver

2:15:48 He's supposed to work at the Amsterdam local TV station AT5. The Red Atom work there, they'll burn it down. But he's about to leave this job for some douchebag magazine. So he wants a two to the head to his colleague and he wants some karma? Or just two to the head? Yeah, that's what he says. Alright, here you go. Michael Dunn in Bowling Green, Kentucky. Double the app that was the end of our 55 55s. This is 55 double niggles on the dime That means we're gonna be done here I took a figurative crap of total excitement in my pants when I heard my name mentioned at the very top of the show When I saw that John had retweeted my Obama Romney drone were screwed either way graphic. I thought awesome

2:16:40 I never would have thought it would be a garner a mention on the best podcast in the universe. However, that streaming pile of joy in my metaphorical jockeys quickly turned into a rotten mound of guilt as I have never donated to the show. I am too embarrassed to say how long I've been a boner but let's just say my financial support is long overdue. So with this donation I'd like to request a win-loser drone de-douching Karma. If that's not too much trouble, keep up with the good work, crackpot and buzzkill. Oh, and as of the time I am writing this, the image that has been retweeted exactly 33 times. What I'll do is, I think not, I'll give him the new jingle de-douching. That's, you know, because we're kind of enjoying the new song.

2:17:27 You've been de-douched. You've got karma. It's a nice combo by the way. It was very musical. Yes. Tom Bushey and St. Paul, Minnesota fit that one niggas on the dime. Hey Adam and JC, do you ever need some karma? I need the Hey Citizen, Science is in Karma. Okay. Hey Citizen, the science is in. You've got karma. And finally, without comment, Reboot Studio, Crescent City, California, 5245, that's where it floods all the time, Simon Horn in Carindale, Queensland, 50.

2:18:08 Sir Jason Burke in Richmond, Texas, 50. Sir Chris Slowinski in Sherwood Park, Alberta, again, 50. And thank you, Alberta. Kyle Bauer in Worcester, Ohio, 50. And that'll conclude our rather generous donors. Wishing us a happy 55th anniversary with a 55-55 donation. You can too by going to dvork.org. Please do so. It's your birthday, birthday! I'm so glad you're here! Only one on the list today. Phil Rodas congratulates his daughter, Maya. She turns six on the 16th, but of course we knew that according to his donation. So, Maya, happy birthday there! From your daddy and your buddies here at the No Agenda Show. It's your birthday, yeah!

CHAPTER 26 / 32 Discussion

Sir Toby Knighting Ceremony

Toby Knotts is officially knighted into the No Agenda Roundtable after reaching $1,000 in total donations. The ceremony includes the presentation of a ring and sealing wax. Sir Toby joins the exclusive group of supporters who have significantly contributed to the show's "Value for Value" model.

toby knotts· knighthood· no agenda roundtable· ring· sealing wax

2:18:57 And we've got to do Toby's knighting. Remember we kicked in the extra penny as he is now exactly $1,000 in total donations to the best podcast in the universe. I see you have your blade ready there, John. Thank you. Toby not step forward and you're in time my friend you shall be receiving a ring sealing wax in the handsome presentation don't box as a part of your knighthood and you join the roundtable I hereby pronounce thee the one and only Sir Toby night of the no general table for you sir we've got hookers and blow rent boys and chardonnay we've got geishas and sake we've got hot pants and booze we have all kinds

2:19:35 Congratulations on joining the exclusive club of the Knights and dames of the no agenda roundtable It's a good group. It's a great group kidding me. It was nice that we were talking about What was it how doll in the donation segment along with what else did we have? Adderall, Adderall, Adderall. Oh Adderall, we have a lot of drugs talked about today. Yeah because there's a new report came out and this is let me just read you this article here. A new report on ADHD has emerged. But instead of being a dry statistical evaluation of some clinical endpoint it's a lively representation of what children with ADHD themselves have to say about their condition. Well what do you know John the kids love it.

CHAPTER 27 / 32 Discussion

ADHD Voices, Ritalin Marketing to Children

The Wellcome Trust released a report titled "ADHD Voices," which uses colorful illustrations and child interviews to promote the benefits of Ritalin and other stimulants. Critics argue the report is a sophisticated marketing tool designed to normalize the drugging of children to improve academic performance. The history of the Wellcome Trust's ties to the pharmaceutical industry is examined.

adhd· ritalin· wellcome trust· glaxosmithkline· stimulants

2:20:40 They love the Ritalin! Yes, yes sir! This is a report from the Wellcome Foundation. Are you familiar with the Wellcome Foundation? No, but I'm not liking it already. Well, it's a very famous foundation. First, you should probably go to ADHD Voices. So it's ADHDvoices.com and you'll see it's a very happy looking site. Voices on identity, childhood ethics, and stimulants. Yes, join the debate everybody. They put out a 47 megabyte PDF of this report which is very colorful it's got all kinds of lovely illustrations and and you know little cartoon drawings and kids who are all happy on the riddling

2:21:25 Wow, this is unbelievable. This is a good one. This is an unbelievable find. The Wellcome Foundation, let me read you from the book of knowledge. The Wellcome Trust is originally where this comes from. The Wellcome Trust was established to administer the fortune of the American-born pharmaceutical magnate Sir Henry Wellcome. Its income was derived from what originally was called Burroughs Welcome, later renamed in the UK as the Welcome Foundation. In 1986, the trust sold 25% of Welcome PLC stock to the public. Overseen by incoming Director of Finance Ian McGregor, this marketed the beginning of a period of financial growth that saw the trust's value increase by almost 14%.

2:22:06 14 billion pounds in 14 years. As their interests moved beyond the bounds of the pharmaceutical industry, in 1995 the Trust divested itself of any interest in pharmaceuticals by selling all remaining stock to GlaxoPLC, the company's historic British rival, creating GlaxoWelcomePLC in 2000. the Wellcome name disappeared from the drug business altogether when GlaxoWellcome merged with SmithKlineBeecham to form GlaxoSmithKline. So it's a long stretch to say this is a pharmaceutical report. But when you see this PDF, and it's in the show notes of course, it's 453.nashownotes.com, which is another part of the service we bring you here at the Best Podcast in the Universe, you will be disgusted.

2:22:53 Because the kids are really saying, hey, you know, I love it because, you know, I used to get F's on my tests and now I get A's and B's. It's fantastic. And when you read this report, and I read it all, and this, I mean, this, it's, they literally interviewed children about how they thought it was going on that, on that riddle. And the kids, of course, are like, yeah, my mom doesn't bitch at me anymore. Like, okay. And I'm almost... I'm just reading this and I'm like, you know what? They're right. You should just drug your kids. Everyone seems to be much happier. The parents are happier, the kids are happier, the drug company's happy, the government's happy. I think we just go for it. Just drug them. You don't need to have your kids be happy just to take the test. You drug them up. They love it. And by the way, you should get an extra prescription. Just make up another kid and take it yourself. It's awesome. Uh.

2:23:55 You're looking at this voices- ADHD voices thing? I'm finding this to be slightly depressing. Well, if we got you in some Ritalin, John, everything would be just fine. Let's see. ADHD and Me, the trailer. It's a film. Let's play this. Come on. Come on, man. Don't be like that. This could be really good. ADHD and Me, the trailer. Let's see how this is. I haven't actually played this myself. It's a full-length feature film. No, it's a- this is a trailer. Yeah, for a full-length feature film I think it'd be Dynamite. Okay, let's see. How come it's not playing? Oh, here it comes. The children you hear in this film are real. Okay, cool. So, what's it like to have ADHD? Some people daydream or find it difficult to concentrate. Others feel angry. Sometimes I just want to go out and lash out at them. So do you feel like you can't pay attention very well? Only when I'm taking my test. I get distracted. I'm like...

2:24:52 Wait a minute, the kid is literally dreaming. This is- these are cartoons with real kid voices. The kid's dreaming of balloons flying around. We can't have that, kid! You can't be dreaming of balloons! Wow, this is great. schoolwork and like not being able to finish classwork before the other students. Who decides if somebody needs Ritalin? The final decision should be shared between parents, doctors, teachers and the child. grades it's really really hard for me to keep it out of B range so I've gotten C's usually went down to the C after I went off the medication. He always hits me, he bribes me, he takes money from me. Wow. What? You missed the there maybe well you didn't miss it.

2:25:44 That is, that's your messaging. What, if you get off the medication your grades go down? Yeah, this is the college student messaging because college students are taking Adderall and Ritalin for testing. I mean when I was a kid, you know, it used to be Benzedrine or Dexedrine or whatever you can get. Uppers, Bennies, Poppers, Downers. Yeah, Benny's. Did you take any? Have you done any illicit drugs ever? You've done some kind of drug. I have never taken a... I have... Don't even drink. Hold on a second. Pick myself up off the floor come on you can be honest with me. Have you ever done any you've done? I you know I smoke weed I don't do anything Come on in your life. Come on. Don't don't bullcrap me don't discuss these things. I think it's not discussable, okay? I think people listen and they're insurance companies, and they say oh that guy you something let's get jack up his price. Oh They cut off no

2:26:43 You just said something I just realized I'm always talking about doing Haldol and I'm gonna get screwed by the insurance company. Insurance companies are plugged into... People use drugs, and they're also plugged in especially when they admit to it and brag about it And then they they get plugged into I believe you want to be a little crackpot II those those store Accounts where you're at Safeway, and you get a five cents off or something if you have your card And so you check your card in and then it goes into a big database and the next thing you know that some insurance guys looking at us going huh this guy drinks a lot of beer for

2:27:22 You know, we better just jack up his rates. Yeah, no, I believe. Well, let's just listen to the last 30 seconds of this. This is fascinating. Anything to annoy me. He knows I'm easy to wind up. Children with ADHD and their doctors need to be talking to each other at every visit. Sometimes I daydream. Depends what teacher I get. Because sometimes I do it in mass with Miss. She's just shouting at people. Hell modes. Your stomach, a fireball, and it's like bursting and it wants to come out, but then it sort of like travels up to my head and then... Are they speaking English? Yeah, I think that's British kids. Sometimes I control it and sometimes I just don't. If children take responsibility for themselves, they get better at self-control. It just takes time. Wow. Wow. The children you hear in this film are real children who were interviewed as part of the Voices Research Study.

2:28:16 Wow. I cry for the children now. I think... I want to know which ones they left on the cutting room floor. I cry for the children. What does Ritalin do? Hold on a second. What does Ritalin do? This is really fascinating to me. This is so evil. What does Ritalin do? So, what exactly does Ritalin do? Makes you feel like you are groovy. It affects certain chemicals in the brain and... Oh God, John! John, is this... Am I in a movie? Is this real? ...help control some of the symptoms of ADHD. Is that a good thing? Can that really help? It helps people in different ways. It can help them to focus, to control their attention and

2:29:00 It can help them to stop and think before they act. Wow! Oh my god! This can't be... this is real! You know what? Just all of a sudden, all of the air and life went out of my body. That's really, really sad. So, I mean... We're fighting a losing cause, my friend. A losing cause. Yeah. Well, if you got kids, And your doctor's recommending this here's what here's what here's what Adam and John right? Oh, yeah, John's a pussy Here's what Adam recommends Adam recommends you get the prescription for the kid and you sell it on the black market Right and you and you take one you take one yourself once in a while just when you feel like yeah I mean before you have some sex or something Yeah, but just sell them on the black market and whatever you do Don't give them to your kid take one yourself and see what these things do I've had one I've had an Adderall

CHAPTER 28 / 32 Discussion

Gardasil HPV Vaccine, Kaiser Permanente Study

A study by Kaiser Permanente claims that the HPV vaccine Gardasil does not lead to increased sexual activity or promiscuity in preteen girls. The study monitored girls vaccinated at ages 11 and 12 for signs of sexual activity, such as birth control advice or STD testing. The reporting is viewed as a commercial for Merck's vaccine product.

gardasil· hpv vaccine· kaiser permanente· merck· promiscuity

2:30:02 I'd never done coke in my entire life, but this was it. I'm reliably informed. Oh, all right. While we're on children and evilness, my other favorite topic has to be the HPV shot Gardasil, fine Merck product. And there was some controversy about the shot, John, and luckily CBS News was in there to do a little reporting. I mean, to bring a commercial. Remember the debate just last year over giving the HPV vaccine to preteen girls. Critics said it could lead to promiscuity. Preteen girls now, John. Preteen girls. Promiscuity. A new study by Kaiser Permanente says girls who got...

2:30:43 There's a new study by Kaiser Permanente, the people who are selling it to you. I'd be calling the police on this one. Listen to this. A study by Kaiser Permanente says girls who got the vaccine are no more sexually active than unvaccinated girls. The HPV vaccine protects against cervical cancer, which is linked to the human papillomavirus, a sexually transmitted disease. The study asked girls if they had sought birth control advice, were tested for STDs or had had pregnancy tests. And very few of the girls who were vaccinated at age 11 or 12 had done any of those things. I mean, really? 11? 11? Unbelievable. You're right. Say that again about that whole we're fighting a losing battle thing. That was kind of cool. Say that again. We're fighting a losing battle.

2:31:34 Why do I even bother? Why do I even bother bringing it up anymore? The reason we do this show, and I think people appreciate this, is to make us, ourselves at least, feel that we can understand what's going on around us instead of having that short circuit problem that you have. Like I mentioned when I was having a, I met with some friend of mine and it was the, You know, you see the dead eyes and people are just walking zombies because of the kind of information that they're fed. It doesn't make sense. A lot of it's contradictory and it's very confusing. And I think people who are just subject to it, people watch too much TV and they watch the mainstream media and I think it eventually, I think it shorts them out, literally.

2:32:21 Because it doesn't make any sense. These stories don't make any sense. Yeah, I think you're right. I think it's because of the dichotomy of the terms that are used that you do create a short circuit. I think you're right. We should probably use some of that ourselves because when you create this short circuit in someone's head, then you can push all kinds of great information in. So here, let me try this. Let me see if I can try it. Well, maybe we just use that one again because it was only 30 seconds. Let's see. Remember the debate just last year over giving the HPV vaccine to preteen girls? Donate to no agenda. Critics said it could lead to promiscuity. Donate to no agenda. But a new study by Kaiser Permanente says girls who got the vaccine are no more sexually active than unvaccinated girls. Donate to no agenda. Dvorak.org slash N-A-V-A-C-I-N-E.

CHAPTER 29 / 32 Discussion

Rotterdam Art Heist, Movie Promotion Theory

A major art heist at the Kunsthal museum in Rotterdam involved the theft of works by Picasso, Matisse, Monet, and Gauguin. The theory is proposed that high-profile art thefts are often used as viral marketing for upcoming films like "Ocean's 14." Real art thieves typically avoid famous pieces because they are impossible to sell on the open market.

rotterdam· art theft· picasso· monet· matisse

2:33:14 I mean they do it for all the other commercial stuff maybe we should be trying that. Yeah, I mean we just might as well do that. I mean, it's pathetic. I have a little bit of homework for our producers, those of you who are relatively new to the program, our listeners, our producers. So we had this big art heist in Amsterdam, Rotterdam I'm sorry, where a Picasso, Matisse, Monet, Gauguin, Freud all stolen from the museum. Freud? It says a Freud yeah. A Freud? It says a Freud. How do they spell it? F-R-E-U-D.

2:33:52 I don't know, maybe he did a drawing. I've never heard of an artist named Freud. Maybe he, maybe he did. F-R-E-U-D. Maybe it was Sigmund Freud. Maybe there was a drawing by Sigmund Freud. I'm just reading. Okay, it's... It doesn't really matter for the story. It could be Lucian Freud. Lucian Freud, that's right. So one painting by Picasso, one from Matisse, two Monet's. Now I interviewed the author of the book Hot Art which you can find at BigBookShow.com and it's a fascinating book. It took him seven or eight years to write and after you read this book and certainly after I interviewed the author Joshua Nelman I think his name

2:34:30 You will know that real art thieves don't go for these pieces because you can't unload them. You can't sell these. The only thing you can wind up doing is holding them hostage and eventually someone will pay some money for the thief to give them back. Is that what he said? Because my understanding is a little different. Well, let me just continue. He literally wrote the book on art theft. Okay, and that true art thieves hate this kind of crime the real guys there they go after the hundred thousand dollar Painting you know maybe two hundred thousand. Yeah, the ones that they're under them. Yes, not the multi. They don't want press That's the point the real art thieves don't want the press so I'm thinking there's got to be a movie coming out

2:35:18 I mean we have Ocean's Eleven, Thomas Crown Affair, uh... I haven't found it. But someone is going to tell me what the movie is that's coming out because this- and these paintings will come back. These paintings will come back. So that is the homework for our producers, unless you happen to have an idea already, but you might not. I'll actually look into it too. I think you're probably right. Seems to me like it's a perfect opportunity for a movie promotion. I thought maybe Clooney was doing it, was Ocean's 13 or 14, what are we up to now? I think it's Ocean's 17. Ocean's 13. No, it should be Ocean's 13 by now, isn't it? No.

2:36:05 No, that was 2007. But they've done three. Oceans... 14? 11, 12, 13, 14. It would be 14, yes. Here's Jerry Weintraub saying no Oceans 14. Hmm. Hmm. He says don't expect Oceans 14. Hmm. Let's see. Let's check under news. Okay. We'll see. I'm waiting for it. It'll pop up. It'll pop up. Someone will know. Maybe the new Superman movie? Does that have art theft in it? Mmm, no. Okay, something. You're gonna see something happen. So my understanding is that there are art thieves that take high-profile pieces and then they're ferreted away by rich bankers in Switzerland in their basements.

CHAPTER 30 / 32 Discussion

Boy Scouts Abuse Files, Mormon Bishop Smear

The release of the Boy Scouts of America "perversion files" reveals decades of documented child abuse within the organization. The timing and framing of the news, specifically highlighting a Mormon bishop who failed to report abuse, is interpreted as a political smear against Mitt Romney. The files contain records of thousands of suspected molesters kicked out of the scouts.

boy scouts of america· perversion files· mormon· mitt romney· child abuse

2:36:56 Yeah, well you should watch the interview and see what the guy has to say about it. I'm gonna do that now. Yeah, it's a good interview. Joshua Nelman, it's bigbookshow.com, Hot Art is the title of the book. It was actually quite a nice book to read. So here's a report that I was wondering, why is this report coming out now? Why is this all over the news? Why is this happening? My favorite topic, Pete O'Bear. Once hidden records on Boy Scout leaders from the 60s, 70s and 80s. Men kicked out of the organization for suspected child molestation. So what you're looking at here may represent as many as 6 to 24,000 boys abused in Boy Scouting.

2:37:44 Scout executives at the headquarters in Texas began compiling the files nearly 100 years ago for good reason. Let's find the bad guys in our ranks, kick them out, and keep them out. But it was all a secret until now. For the first time ever, the public will actually see, not just hear about, but see what the Boy Scouts knew about child abuse in its midst, when the Boy Scouts knew it, and what they did and did not do about it. So this is of course a disturbing story about possibly tens of thousands of young boys being abused. And I'm trying to find what's the spin, what's the spin, what's the spin? And then I found it. Harry Lewis was abused in the early 80s by Assistant Scoutmaster Timert Dykes, seen here playing a video game with a young scout.

2:38:29 The abuse began a year after Timurt Dykes made a stunning admission to a top troop leader who was a Mormon bishop. That he had molested 17 other kids in the troop and the bishop did not go to the other parents. So, who else is a Mormon bishop? Ah, Mormon. They brought Mormon. Is there any famous Mormons that went as smear? Who's actually a bishop? I don't know that he is. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh, he's a bishop. Yes, he's a Mormon bishop. Absolutely. Well, there you go. That's the reason for the smear. That's the whole... I mean, this is a good one, by the way. I like this. It's very creative. Thank you. Thank you. I'm not talking about your deconstruction. I'm talking about the scam. Yeah, the scam is great. We have a real problem here.

2:39:14 So, but they go way out to bring, you know, it was the Mormon bishop who didn't say anything. Yeah, and it was important to say Mormon bishop, not just a religious leader or anything. Oh yeah, oh yeah, of course. That was a good one. I know, yeah. These guys will do anything, won't they? And that is why we do this show. Yeah, well there's one more I got for you. So annoying when they do this. More Agenda 21 crap for you coming up.

CHAPTER 31 / 32 Discussion

County Fairs, Agenda 21 Meat Regulations

County fairs are reportedly under attack through health scares involving Swine Flu and E. coli. These scares are viewed as a coordinated effort to discourage the public from purchasing "meat on the hoof" directly from farmers. This trend is linked to Agenda 21 goals of centralizing food production and eliminating independent butchering systems.

county fairs· e. coli· swine flu· agenda 21· meat processing

2:39:57 So this county fair thing, we've been tracking this for a while. Remember it was the new swine flu, the new bird flu. I actually went back and looked at our show notes. I just did a search on search.nashownotes.com and lo and behold, episode 433, the new swine flu, H3N2 was 16 cases. People picked it up at county fairs. They're trying to get rid of these county fairs. This is one of the things that almost every county fair for one thing you can buy meat on the hoof. Yeah, that's going to end.

2:40:35 So, that's going to, they hate that. They don't like you, anybody in the public, actually buying an animal and then going through the system of slaughtering and then the butchering system and then getting, you know, some really high quality hand raised meat for $2 and $3 a pound, which is what it amounts to when you're done. Which is about one third the price of the grass fed crap. So, that's got to go. Yep. Well, this is how they're gonna get rid of it. They're just gonna make it- So they already tried the swine flu bit, that didn't work. Now this is- this is how many episodes ago? We're at 53, so that's 20 episodes ago. So what is that, three months? Yeah. Something like that, three months ago? So that got no traction. So now it's like, oh no, the E. coli. Yeah, yeah, yeah. No, no, that's coming from county fairs. And a child died! Child died! It's amazing. Well, you know what that means, don't you?

2:41:33 Gotta think of the children child will die County fares are under attack. Sure. Everything's all our classic institutions except you know being a slave to some dork are under attack. The country's under attack, culturally. And I think it all relates to Agenda 21. I took my print out, I have a printout of Agenda 21. Yeah, it's pretty big. It's like the size of the room. Did you eat up a printer cartridge? A whole ink cartridge? You burn a cartridge into reams of paper. But the thing is dense with this weird stuff. Dense.

CHAPTER 32 / 32 Discussion

Executive Order Sanctions, Financial Account Freezes

A recent executive order regarding Iran sanctions grants the U.S. government broad powers to freeze the bank accounts of "sanctioned persons." The order prevents individuals from accessing funds through third parties, trusts, or corporations. New tax regulations also require the reporting of international PayPal accounts and foreign bank holdings to the federal government.

executive order· iran sanctions· bank freeze· paypal· treasury department

2:42:17 Yeah, I'm gonna do a special feature on agenda 21 not in a long-term way, but it was short-term bits I'm just gonna read sections of it every once in a while. Okay. Well that be after the scholastic special and it'll be right after the thing on education All right, so there's just one thing you know speaking of being messed up and I just you know I just want to mention it came out on the 9th I've noticed that the the Obama administration is no longer numbering the executive orders. Yes, they stopped doing that. I think that was genius. Yeah, because that way we can't count how many have come out. I think he's done a lot. So one came out on October 9th and it is called, because it does have a title, Executive Order from the President regarding authorizing the implementation of certain sanctions. And I think it's important that we hear about

2:43:13 this executive order. As this executive order gives the president the power to freeze all bank accounts and stop any related financial transactions from any sanctioned person in the name of the Iran sanctions. And this whole, of course you know how I love to read legislation, the entire executive order refers continuously back to executive order 12957 which is a Bill Clinton executive order from 1995, March 15th, 1995, which related to the Iran quote problem. So here's the language that I think is pertinent. The order says if an individual is declared by the president, the secretary of state, or the secretary of the treasury to be a sanctioned person, which I guess they can just make up,

2:44:10 he or she will be unable to obtain access to accounts, will be unable to process any loans or make loans, move them to any other financial institution inside or outside the United States. In other words, your financial resources are completely frozen. And this executive order expands authority by also not enabling the sanctioned person to make use of any third parties such as a partnership, association, trust, joint venture, corporation, subgroup, or any other organization that might help you to access your funds? Yeah, well this is pretty, yeah, this is the way it is. Right now, if you're just a plain old American citizen with mining your own business, you can, it's almost impossible to get an overseas bank account now. I'm just waiting until they cut mine off. Now I have one, which... What about your bank account?

2:45:10 So I have a Dutch bank account and it's like a thousand euros or something in there, which I've just kind of had, you know, if we go over to Holland, then we have some local money because they don't take credit cards and your debit card won't work. You have to have a Dutch pin card. And so we had that when we had our had our wedding but they have to report every single transaction to the United States federales and In fact, you know, I did my taxes last weekend Finally the October 16th deadline or whatever it is, and I don't know if Mimi told you this but you know now you have to Any accounts you have you have to list but they also have a special PayPal form. Did you know that? Yeah, I didn't know that

2:46:04 Yeah, yeah. Well, we're all doomed. Well, this is why the Riddler is a good idea. That's why you want to stay in the cash. Cash. Cash and Adderall. That's the ticket I say, my friend. Cash and Adderall. Alright everybody, we took the show a little bit long, but of course you deserve that after we had such a lovely birthday donation segment. Birthday, the fifth anniversary of the No Agenda show is on the 26th of October, so you can still get your Quad Five donations in. We haven't seen a fifth anniversary night yet, which would be $55,500. Just kidding. We know there's guys that can afford that, by the way. I'm sure they're smart enough to figure out that we'll take a two-month vacation if we... We're looking at you, Goldman Sachs. We know you're listening. I'd do it for free. I don't ever say that. I'd starve, but I'd still do it for free.

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