Episode 344 · Sunday, 2 October 2011

Cyber Master

A drone strike on an American citizen tests the limits of executive power while global markets brace for a manufactured debt spiral and revolutionary cycles.

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About this episode

The reported killing of U.S. citizen Anwar al-Awlaki by a Yemen drone strike has ignited a debate over sovereign immunity and the legality of targeted executions. While White House Press Secretary Jay Carney refuses to provide proof of al-Awlaki's operational involvement in terrorism, the media narrative has shifted to label the American-born cleric a cyber master to justify the strike. This event follows a historical pattern of federal force seen at Ruby Ridge, where the government protected its agents from state prosecution after the deaths of the Weaver family.

Global economic instability looms as the Cato Institute warns of international contagion stemming from a deep recession in Europe. In New York, Mayor Michael Bloomberg defends the financial sector against Occupy Wall Street protesters, claiming bankers earn modest salaries and should not be blamed for the mortgage crisis. Meanwhile, the European Stability Mechanism Treaty reveals a move toward total fiscal takeover, granting directors tax-free status and legal immunity while allowing them to make unlimited cash calls to Eurozone member states. Domestic issues also surface as the U.S. Postal Service faces a manufactured financial crisis due to a congressional mandate to pre-fund 75 years of retiree health benefits.

Cultural conditioning continues through television propaganda as NCIS and Blue Bloods reinforce the See Something, Say Something meme. Adam Curry and John C. Dvorak break down the New Silk Road geopolitical narrative while mocking the staged nature of Michelle Obama's shopping trip to Target. The show concludes with a look at the McGurk Effect and the technical failure of the No Agenda servers following a massive traffic surge from LewRockwell.com.


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CHAPTER 01 / 37 Discussion

LewRockwell.com Referral Crashes No Agenda Server

Adam Curry and John C. Dvorak open the show by discussing a traffic surge from LewRockwell.com that crashed their server. The referral was linked to a clip of John Stewart omitting Ron Paul from an interview. They discuss the technical limitations of their current Squarespace site and the "rinky-dink" nature of their independent operation.

lew rockwell· server crash· squarespace· ron paul· john stewart

00:00 She has hooves, man! I'm telling you. That's like the Budweiser wagon car. I'm telling you she got hooves. Clippity-clop, clippity-clop. Adam Curry John C. Devorah Sunday October 2nd 2011 Time for your Gidmonation Media Assassination Episode 344 This is no agenda Coordinating the new casting call from the Hilltop Watchtower, Crackpot Command Center and People's Republic of Southern California. In the morning from your new Chief External Organizer I'm Adam Curry And from foggy northern Silicon Valley where it's um let me think foggy I'm John C. Dvorak. We always enjoy a weather report on the podcast. There's nothing quite like it, it is great! That way people can feel better about themselves Hey three weeks ago was foggy Please, it's a podcast John It's one of those People are listening on the fly Yeah that's true and I saw in the spreadsheet that we probably have about 1.7% donating to $10 at the end of show so I'm moving up

01:08 Oh, I didn't look at the $10 thing. That's all i look at! Hey you didn't have to scroll that far. Well it's true yeah... In the morning to you John in the morning to you Adam and then in the morning all ships at sea and boots on the ground if any of them are listening also feet in the air which I'm sure you're not And if you came to us as a LewRockwell.com reader of his site, in the morning to you this is The No Agenda Show the best podcast in the universe now we got a link from LewRockwell.com yesterday. Oh yeah? Did it result in any love? Yeah resulted in crashing the server I was up until like 1230 trying to keep thing running

01:49 I don't know. You got the rinky-dink operation that you're running over there? Yeah, well case in point! That's what it is, rinky dink operations just me Yeah, they're going to this... Why weren't they just linking directly to the... Where did the link go? It was linking into the NA show notes. Into the asset archive. NoAgendaShow.com is a Squarespace site right? Well what I would have done if i had known about it earlier Is that I would have made little YouTube video of the clip when we were talking about

02:25 John Stewart omitting Ron Paul's the best part of the Ron Paul interview And I would have done a little YouTube video, and it would have been it would have redirected to that Which would have been great? But you know the rinky-dink operation It's what it is and Of course in the morning to all these human resources who are charged up this morning ready to go on the chat room with no agenda stream calm no agenda chat net good to see y'all and I think that we should probably start today with Occupy Wall Street. John? Well, there's been a bunch of people arrested finally because they had to basically stop the traffic on the Brooklyn Bridge. Please arrest me! Arrest me! This is very interesting We of course started basically pre-promoting this three weeks ago then there was no coverage and

CHAPTER 02 / 37 Discussion

Occupy Wall Street Media Coverage and Marginalization

The hosts analyze mainstream media coverage of the Occupy Wall Street protests following mass arrests on the Brooklyn Bridge. They critique an NBC report by Michelle Franzen for framing the movement as disorganized and leaderless. Dvorak notes that similar protests in Greece, Spain, and Israel are treated with more gravity than the American demonstrations.

occupy wall street· brooklyn bridge· corporate greed· nypd· social media

03:24 Now, as predicted the mainstream media is all over it in two ways. One is gee we don't really know what's about. What do they want? It's kind of confusing And the other one is of course that these shills are showing up, which I have a couple of horrible examples and I think i have some advice for our Occupy Wall Streeters because of course people are just pissed off. Listen to this NBC report... news report about how this is being told to the masses because CNN and Fox News, that's a very small percentage that watches that. I think PBS and NBC is where most of the big masses will get their news from that. What began with a small disorganized protest on Wall Street in lower Manhattan here in New York has grown today to demonstrations nationwide against corporate greed

04:25 From New York to LA even up in Maine people took to the streets to express their anger and make sure their message is heard But what exactly is their message? Oh nice setup. We sent NBC's Michelle Franzen to find out by the way, Michelle Franzen Do you know her no smoking Two weeks and counting, several hundred faithful protesters continue to camp out at a park near Wall Street. Their numbers grow each day fueled by the power of social media. So they're showing like hippies sitting around banging on drums A few scuffles with NYPD and the common... A scuffle? It's just a scuffle when you get maced in uh... Threat of discontent over high unemployment

05:10 and distrust of government and corporations. There's something unjust going on right now in this economy, in this society... John Abitbol drove from Connecticut to speak out. Now listen to the people- This is always very important so now this guy of course he's not a representative of the movement but they put him on TV So this is what the movement is being represented by as far as everybody- The public is concerned. ...for big expensive lobbyists to work for what we want The sit-in has turned into a small community, complete with the food kitchen and media center. But by design there is no one leader of this group and no organized set of demands. We're each doing our own thing but we're doing it together. We are coming together and saying things need to be changed how are you going to do this? Protesters may still be working to define their message but the complaints of corporate greed and social inequality are resonating far beyond the streets in New York

06:06 In Los Angeles today, protesters took to the streets to show solidarity. I can't travel to DC and New York so it's great that we are doing this in cities across the United States Even in Portland Maine a hundred people turned out the movement labor experts say is also gaining the attention of high-profile activists like Michael Moore and union leaders backing that could elevate the conversation to the political stage this is a liberal version of the Tea Party, especially with young people who are getting mobilized and expressing their grievances I think this could potentially carry over into the 2012 elections and get people to the polls so uh...

06:48 More or less as we predicted this is now being marginalized by making it so completely un-understood, not understood by the smart people who are on television. And it's amazing that when you have exactly the same protests going on in Greece or in Spain or past two days even in France That's Israel. Well, Israel but of course the Arab Spring then it's understood well Of course is you know? Of course these people are getting screwed But here it's like I don't understand what he said. Don't we live in the greatest country in the world? I just don't understand it You know you know I should mention that there's apparently a Similar event taking place in San Francisco which is getting zero coverage by all our media so everything's a fractal and

07:34 So the San Francisco event is not discussed at all by anyone, just like the rest of it. Then it will be discussed unless it peters out. Well here's the warning I have to people who are participating in this and of course I encourage...I think its a great idea Although I would much rather see media hacking going on because you're now being hacked by the media That's what's happening and it's really sad So either we have to get to a point where the National Guard comes out And then we really have like a square type of event, but now they've brought out the shills and and please I beg You if Michael Moore shows up again stand in front of him with a V for vendetta mask and say corporate shill Corporate shill that's what you have to do Russell Simmons

CHAPTER 03 / 37 Discussion

Russell Simmons and White House Jobs Bill Promotion

An interview with Russell Simmons on MSNBC is deconstructed to show alleged coaching by producers via his earpiece. The hosts claim Simmons is acting as a "corporate shill" for the Obama administration to attach the President's jobs bill to the Occupy Wall Street movement. They mock Simmons' claims about his tax payments and his "eat the rich" rhetoric.

russell simmons· msnbc· class warfare· barack obama· jobs bill

08:20 Russell Simmons, who is a hundred millionaire. He actually on his blog or website he says... Oral corporate shill! He says please raise my taxes and he goes and sits down there in New York now I have an interview with him. You know by the way you should remind me that you can voluntarily pay any taxes? Yes, yeah there's little checkbox on your return. I won't be taking advantage of that this year. You can help to pay down the national debt sure So Russell Simmons is on I think MSNBC and he has an IFB in, an earpiece. And you can see it because he's fumbling with it at the beginning of the interview and they're talking to him. And I want you to pay attention to what happens because they clearly... The minute he goes a little off the reservation because he's there essentially to propagate another hijack which

09:13 the president's message. So this is now being hijacked on multiple sides, Russell Simmons being flown in from direct from the White House to get the jobs bill up in front and attach the jobs bill to this act and you can actually...you could almost hear the producer yelling in his ear and listen to the shillage that that this guy is spewing. I think we need some adjustments and i think the protesters represent a lot, a growing number of Americans who feel that there it is a class warfare Class warfare? Good talking point! A great war on the middle-class and working class and poor Americans that are suffering. I think that corporate control over government

10:01 I think corporate control of our government and you could the producer goes Did I did I say something wrong today, did it did I do something wrong play that back? Yeah. Well, I'll play all the way through you can hear him backpedal on it. It's corporate control of our government is undo and... Oh, it's undo. Okay that's the word they whispered to him? Just say undo! Undo that! Who feel that there is a class warfare and the rich are waging a great war on on the middle-class in working class. Who's this guy kidding?! Now listen again here comes the bit where they're yelling in his ear And poor Americans that are suffering I think that corporate control over our government

10:45 I do something wrong? It's strict. Corporate control of our government is undue and... He's literally holding his hand up to his ear Did i do something wrong? Oh, I'm sorry did it oh I shouldn't have said that corporate oh I'm sorry it's um undo because you know someone said undo that whatever you said undo it undo and also all special interests and I believe that we need to do something about that. I think that's one of the first steps, i think we should be very careful protect our social programs and-and I think they're making Republicans mostly have personal opinion, the Republicans who are receiving 10 to 15 times more special interest money than us. It's the Republicans!

11:28 the guy on the republicans what i do a lot of things that you should go and russell money have to have uh... be exposed me if it is justice and national stage and this business as small ceded could grow into a great movement was going to ask you that he decided to join this process to your businessman but you're also a citizen you heard may michael bloomberg say last week that if this disparity of wealth wasn't reduced we're gonna see riots in the streets of course you know that poor have nothing to eat they next thing they can eat is their rich. Eat the rich! There it is!

12:07 Russell you're doing great now. Russell, you're doing great. Eat the rich. It's really... it's getting worse I got a hundred million dollar check I gave away ten million or so all my employees every single one paid more taxes than i did Yay! What? All his employees he got $100 million cheque from Obama He gave away $10 million to all his employees and they paid more taxes than he did. Collectively, maybe? It's a lie! And the guy is in there only... Bullcrap this guy is on that same ship that Buffett's on which is the ship of bull crap Yeah

CHAPTER 04 / 37 Discussion

Michael Bloomberg Defends Wall Street Banking Sector

New York City Mayor Michael Bloomberg defends the financial sector during a radio appearance, claiming Wall Street workers only earn $40,000 to $50,000 annually. Bloomberg argues that the country should stop blaming banks for the mortgage crisis and instead focus on encouraging them to make loans. He suggests that threats of jail time for bankers are preventing economic recovery.

michael bloomberg· wall street· goldman sachs· freddie mac· fannie mae

12:54 You know, floating like a turd in the toilet. Give me a break! So Michael Bloomberg was raised there once again and this of course is an older interview from several weeks ago where he says... excuse me... you know riots on the streets but listen to Michael Bloomberg these past few days morning radio show in New York City The protesters are protesting against People who make $40,000-$50,000 a year and are struggling to make ends meet. That's the bottom line Those are the people that work on Wall Street or in the finance sector What planet is this guy from? The people who work on Wall Street make 40-50 grand a year Really? Are you talking about the janitors? Probably at Goldman Sachs they're probably doing better but there's more

13:47 We need the banks. If the banks don't go out and make loans, we will not come out of our economic problems. We will not have jobs and so anything to responsibly help the banks do that, encourage them to do that is what we need. I think we spend much too much time in this country worrying about why we got into problems as opposed to how we go forward also we always tend to blame the wrong people, we blame the banks they were part of this but so was Freddie Mac and Fannie Mae in Congress

14:25 They were just part of it. I mean, we're blaming the wrong people! Stop looking back to look at history... Move forward! Eat the rich! And here's the kicker This was some live interview in New York this past week Well, nobody has any confidence. If you're a bank and you have money would you make a loan when people are talking about putting you in jail for what happened to the mortgage crisis three four years ago? You hunker down! Hey if you want a loan stop trying to put me in jail isn't that what loan sharks do? Man I'll give your loan as long as you don't turn me into the federales

CHAPTER 05 / 37 Discussion

Cato Institute Economic Warning and Global Inflation Risks

An economic expert from the Cato Institute warns of significant negative risks to the American economy, including potential stagflation. The analysis highlights rising prices in Spain and Britain despite high unemployment. The segment concludes with a warning that a deep recession in Europe could trigger an international contagion and a downward spiral of debt in the United States.

cato institute· inflation· unemployment· european debt· recession

15:11 Well I don't know how Bloomberg's expecting the banks to do anything here. Play the depressing clip of the week, I think summarizes a situation where banks aren't going to loan anybody anything. Oh it's kind of early to get depressed but let's rock it! Currency like the Japanese yen that the most recent inflation number was 3.8 percent well above the Fed's target So, I don't buy the argument that in a weak economy you don't get inflation. You gave the example of Germany Spain at the moment has 20% unemployment prices are rising Britain has a high unemployment rate prices are rising So, you just there are other sources other than the labor market to give you inflation and we're going to get them. All right Mr Edwards? There's these gigantic negative risks out there that something big and bad is going to happen to the American economy and we don't know what it is. If you go back and look at January 2008 CBO projection they didn't project a recession. They said well maybe recession would happen but they actually projected growth would be strengthening in coming years

16:13 So we're going to be surprised by how the next big recession or negative factor, if you look at CBO projections I mean there's no recessions in their 10-year outlook but what if we have a gigantic recession a few years from now another major recession? You know tax revenues would plunge again. Unemployment comp costs would soar. A lot of policy makers who want to do another giant stimulus and we'd be in this sort of spiral downwards of debt and poor economic growth You know, we've got to start planning now. The risk factors are all on the negative side. European countries have this horrible demographic problem worse than ours. Their debt loads are going up and there's a you know so the higher their debt loads

16:55 become and the higher ours becomes, the more risk of an international sort of a contagion. The more we're all at sort of a tipping point and if Europe can go into another deep recession it would cause a deep recession here. So you know the risks are all on the ugly side I think. Okay in my last 15 seconds any of you want to comment on the thing? You weren't singing along. That was good! Yeah

CHAPTER 06 / 37 Discussion

European Revolutions of 1848 and 40-Year Cycles

John C. Dvorak applies his 40-year cycle theory to the current global unrest, comparing it to the European Revolutions of 1848, also known as the "Spring of Nations." He traces a pattern of revolutionary fervor and market crashes through 1888, 1928, 1968, and 2008. The hosts suggest the "Arab Spring" terminology is a scripted fractal of these historical events.

1848 revolutions· spring of nations· cycle theory· market crash· 1968

17:43 So, was it someone sent me a note which I thought was kind of interesting in relation to all of this and you just mentioned yourself that we are essentially witnessing a fractal. You being the cycle man and lord of fractals. Fractalmania! This Sunday 1340 burning nitro funny cars. Fractalmania John C. Dvorak's Lexus, the old one. In 1848 there were revolutions do you recall the revolutions of 1848? Well I think there was a French Revolution for starters okay and what was that about

18:30 It was about eating the rich. Yeah? I don't know, I wasn't there actually...I just missed it! Are you sure?! The European Revolutions of 1848 known in some countries as, you'll love this, the Spring of Nations, Springtime of the Peoples. Spring time for Hitler! And that's what i thought too So this whole spring thing is even a fractal. It's just, this is the script and we should probably... I'm kind of counting on you to go back and take a look at 1848 over 50 countries were affected but there was no coordination or cooperation amongst the revolutionaries in the different countries five factors were involved widespread dissatisfaction with political leadership The demand for more participation and democracy

19:24 the demands of the working classes, the upsurge of nationalism and finally... ...the regrouping of reactionary forces based in royalty, aristocracy, army and peasants. So here's what I suggest If you are put on camera which-and probably won't be if your smart and have something intelligent to say because it will put a chick with finger symbols on TV. Oh yes! Yes hello hello we're all 99% If someone says, what is this about? You just have to say exactly the same thing as the Arab Spring. We want regime change and we want the evil dictator removed!

20:05 Let me mention this to people out there who follow my cycles theory. Mm-hmm let's take a look at 1848 which was a moment in history and go through the 40 year cycle we go from 1848 to 1888, which it was just the beginning before we had the 818 93 dead on crash which mimics 1928, which is another 40 years later. Which was again a moment in history just before a crash Then we had 1968 which of course had the same kind of revolutionary

20:41 fervor with the hippies and all the rest, 1968 just before a crash which happened the next year. And then another 40 years of that we had 2008 which had the housing crash so this is all like just like luck to me this is all lockstep predictable stuff. So what I said well this is good because Lois our PR expert has said we need to predict stuff so that she can then go tell mainstream media how great we are So what is next in your fractal theory John? What is the next step? The clip that you heard of the gloom and doom guy was at the end, it was the Keito Institute character. And I think what's next is more of the same... this is just a beginning That's not a prediction! That's no good enough

CHAPTER 07 / 37 Discussion

Housing Market Collapse and Hyperinflation Theory

The hosts debate the mechanics of inflation and its impact on the housing market. They discuss whether devaluing the dollar allows individuals to pay off debts with "cheaper money," though they note that wages are not rising to match costs. Dvorak predicts a massive slowdown in Europe and a two-year economic "toilet" period for the global economy.

housing market· hyperinflation· dollar devaluation· debt· interest rates

21:33 Well, what am I supposed to do? Okay. Somebody's gonna get shot. No no very good. I like that one Michael Moore well Probably not. Anderson Cooper? Anyway, what's gonna happen of course we're gonna have a huge you know another downturn because it's already shaping up yeah unemployment is going to go above 10% probably for the first time in awhile and so I have a question always wanted to ask you bogus by the way cuz unemployment is actually about 22 percent right now I want to ask you a question about this So if you have inflation right and let's say we have kind of like big inflation how many percent would that be like runaway inflation. Well, runaway inflation is ridiculous I mean it was in Brazil during its era of runaway inflation where you have hyperinflation we've never experienced that and I don't think that's going to happen. Okay well let's just say... 5 or 6 percent maybe. Okay so is the case then that lets say you think the market on housing for instance has or anything a car

22:31 No, let's go with houses. Stay with housing as far as I can see. The reason the banks aren't loaning money is because they expect the housing market to collapse further right so why would they loan money? So if it collapses further let's just say instead of at a bottom and you buy a house from I'm just gonna say $100,000 just to make it simple and then inflation kicks in Isn't it then cheaper for you to pay off that house because the house was $100,000 but the price was already set. It doesn't go up to say a hundred and five or 110 or 120 thousand?

23:06 And you have, you should eventually have more cash to pay that off or am I just being total disc jockey here? No. I think there's a basic theory that if you can run up the devalue of the dollar through inflation then you get to pay off your debts in cheaper money which is what the US government is doing but that assumes you do get more money but the way things have been going it has been kept from people If we are the canary in the coal mine and that ain't happening We ain't getting more money. We're only getting less. There's so many variables in this and you never really know what's gonna happen except all you can tell for sure is that there's gonna be a massive slowdown, Europe is going to fall apart we've been predicting that since day one I have a different opinion on it And then we are going to be in the toilet about two years. You know one of the things that's interesting about this cycle that I keep promoting Is that in... Wait a minute! Are you promoting this? Would you stop?!

24:00 Maybe you're the problem. In 1890, there was it should have been like a market crash in 1889 like 29 and the rest of these years but there wasn't and they was actually a boom in 19 or I'm sorry 1892 that was like a mini-boom which would match next year if we somehow Obama could cranked economy up for about a year and make everybody happy run the market up and then they had massive depression in 1893 huge And I don't think, we're going to have the depression part of it but we're not gonna have any benefits in the front end. It's just gonna be a mess." No that's not true because as you and I both know what really increases during every single downturn and depression? Hookers! Yeah hookers get better looking...and uh..the music and movies are higher quality So thats good! That's good for you if your investing in a movie Or in hookers

CHAPTER 09 / 37 Discussion

Andrew Bolt Racial Discrimination Case and McGurk Effect

A listener report from Australia details a federal court decision against columnist Andrew Bolt for breaching the Racial Discrimination Act. The segment transitions into a discussion of the "McGurk Effect," a perceptual phenomenon where visual cues override auditory information. The hosts relate this to the propaganda techniques used in television dramas like Law & Order.

andrew bolt· australia· racial discrimination act· mcgurk effect· bbc

28:46 Give a nation down under, Adam and John we've registered AndrewBoltEatCock.com to 420noagendashow.com The reason why we chose the name of Andrew Bolt Eat Cock is because of the recent federal court decision in Australia that Andrew Bolt breached the Racial Discrimination Act in a series of opinion columns published in Australia's News Corp publication papers online as well. Andrew Bolt did no research on these people's backgrounds and was trying to vilify them because they are fair-skinned aboriginals Creamies I think they're called Anyway, I have attached the article of the full details and there's a wiki page as well So that's a local story that we need to look into further Fireworks in furs calm our business. We can open the doors John. We've got our website. Yeah, we just need a shack in Idaho McGurk an effect comm if you don't know what the McGurkin effect is Google that that's You know the McGurkin effect is John no tell me the BBC had this thing

29:44 and it apparently has been around for a while, they show you a guy and it's video going bah-bah-bah like a sheep. And then they show you the same guy and when you look at him it sounds like he is going fa-fa-fa with an F but when you close your eyes he actually saying bah-bah-bah because you're looking in his mouth your brain automatically turns into an F It's amazing to watch and you can't get away from it unless you literally close your eyes And then you hear that it is exactly the same as the first clip. That's called the McGurkin effect Yeah, shows you the power of television also yeah You have pointed this out from the get-go when we were starting to do clips and I kept bringing in these clips from The various Law & Order episodes Once you turned off the video just listen to them try to act

30:40 It was pathetic. I mean, you could just see all kinds of... You could hear the innuendos and you can hear the propaganda and all this stuff came out In fact we've done clips on this show numerous times where until we played a clip itself one or the other of us would say what did you notice that he did this? We didn't even notice ourselves And I've actually started to not watch videos when i'm recording sound bits To make sure I don't miss anything Actually I caught one today which is pretty funny A couple more domains here, BiodiversityNow.org forwarding to our KnowAgendaShow.com as well as BiodiversityInitiatives.com I may get a little bit of love here or there so I might stumble across it Oh! Here's one for you John theFactofthematter.org There ya go! I could use that Don't worry You will I'm sure before the show is over AdamCurry2016.com and here's probably one of the best ones InTheMorningJoe.com

CHAPTER 10 / 37 Discussion

No Agenda Mission Statement and Regime Change Meme

Adam Curry reiterates the show's "formula" and provides instructions for listeners participating in Occupy Wall Street. He encourages protesters to use the language of the Arab Spring, specifically demanding "regime change" and a "NATO no-fly zone" to highlight the absurdity of foreign policy rhetoric when applied domestically.

mission statement· arab spring· regime change· nato· no-fly zone

31:35 I like that. For those of you who don't know, there's a show here called Morning Joe with a couple of shills on it. So we highly appreciate that and, of course thanks to our executive producer Boris Marinoff Sir Marinoff to you and I And our associate executive producer He's also the sole member of the 344 club and our associate executive producers Shuttle Experts Thank you so much again unlike the phonies in Hollywood We will vouch for your someone needs know if this is indeed an official credit Everyone else out there You have a mission your mission is to go out and propagate our formula Our formula Is this? We go out We hit people in the mouth. Come on, you know it by heart now! Shut up slaves So once again to those of you occupying Wall Street if you were interviewed by the mainstream media tell them we want exactly The same as our brothers and sisters in the Arab Spring. We want regime change And we want democracy and we want this evil dictator removed It's that simple

32:43 Yeah, and also request a no-fly zone. A NATO no fly zone... we need to write this down. A NATO no fly zone? We want this evil dictator removed and we want regime change! Perfect that's all you have to do so of course everyone is waiting to hear our take on the alleged droning of Anwar al-Awlaki What?! who I am now calling Anwar al-Akhtari. What? What happened?! He got droned! No... By the way, you can go to GotDroned.com tracking droning of US citizens since 2011 and it was two actually according to the news not just Anwar Al-Awlaki but also Shamir Khan who published the awesome magazine Inspire

CHAPTER 11 / 37 Discussion

Anwar al-Awlaki Drone Strike and CIA Extraction Theory

The hosts discuss the reported killing of U.S. citizen Anwar al-Awlaki by a drone strike in Yemen. Dvorak posits that al-Awlaki was an actor (referring to him as "Terry Greenberg") and that the event was a CIA extraction rather than a killing. They analyze White House Press Secretary Jay Carney's refusal to provide proof of al-Awlaki's operational involvement in terrorism.

anwar al-awlaki· samir khan· drone strike· cia· jake tapper

33:50 And I don't know, I think you're missing the guys like the real pronunciation of the guy's last name that makes a lot more sense than your interpretation which is Al-Alaki. I thought it was Ak-Tori? I think Alaki is better because it actually is spelled Alaki or Ah-Laki Do you have a take on this what is your take? No give me yours It never happened, the guy is an actor always has been an actor. The whole thing is bogus and fake Yeah well it's same as mine basically I knew it! I knew it would be exactly the same Well I mean its obvious...I don't think he was a real person though Oh yeah no his name is Terry Greenberg And I think that it was an extraction

34:38 Of course you always think the whole thing's bullshit. I always think it's an extraction You and I basically well, so here's what I understand it was actually Samir Khan the guy who Published inspire magazine a great glossy magazine that changed his backstory by the way now he's the co-founder Oh echo founder Great. So he was the one that came out just last week and said to Ahmadinejad, hey stop blaming the American government! That was us! That was Al Qaeda! Stop! Stop! So they got rid of that guy or maybe I'll go with the extraction story because of course they're both CIA but here's what i'm missing. I'm missing interviews with Anwar al-Akhtari's flock

35:35 He was an imam in America. Where are the interviews with the people who followed him? Or were those just extras? I'm just not buying it, Terry Greenberg... I believe he's in Falls Church Virginia by the way Yes! They got lots of- there is a lot of acting work in Falls Church Virginia No, to me the guy was always an actor and they trumped him up. And now of course that they're not denying everything not saying a single thing I mean did you see Carney? The spokeshole That I did not see, or maybe I did. So you have Jake who is with the compromised ABC News organization, compromised because the new president of ABC News his sister is a personal advisor to the President and Jake has this script

36:28 And Jake's mission in this is to grill Spokeswole Carney and all I mean, and it's good. He does a good job but it really is only meant to make you feel like someone who's on your side You said that, um, Alaki was demonstrably and provably involved in operations. Do you plan on demonstrating? I should step back. He is clearly, I mean provably may be a legal term, I think it has been well established and it has certainly been the position of this administration and the previous administration uh... that he

37:06 a leader in, was a leader in AQAP. That AQAP was a definite threat, was operational planned and carried out terrorist attacks that fortunately did not succeed but were extremely serious including the one specifically that I mentioned in terms of the would be Christmas Day bombing in 2009 and the attempt to bomb numerous cargo planes headed for the United States. It's just solidifying the script, I think. I don't actually recall any proof being shown No they don't have any proof This whole thing seems to be kind of... I think this is like folded and folded upon itself First of all immediately when the president put out the kill order on this guy Two years ago The killing of an American citizen And the last president that actually did that would be Clinton

CHAPTER 12 / 37 Discussion

Ruby Ridge History and Sovereign Immunity

The discussion shifts to the 1992 Ruby Ridge standoff as a historical precedent for the federal government killing American citizens. They detail the roles of Janet Reno and the FBI in the death of Gary Weaver's family. The hosts explain "sovereign immunity," noting how the federal government protected the sniper involved from state prosecution.

ruby ridge· gary weaver· fbi· janet reno· sovereign immunity

38:12 and although I don't know that you can trace it right to him but the FBI definitely, people should if you haven't done this people out there should definitely go to the Wikipedia look up Ruby Ridge and read that story is quite interesting. And that was Janet Reno right? This was in the 90's and it was Reno and the FBI and they had gone to pick up...this backstory is this guy Gary Weaver was in a beef with the neighbor, see something say something neighbor who lost the lawsuit against Weaver and then he started calling the FBI up saying weavers threatened to kill the Pope. He's threatening to kill the president is threatening to do this and that so they have to be I started following this guy around it was a little nutty and they went into arrest him but he's in his compound and So did kind of gets out of control And next thing you know some sniper under orders kills his wife In front of them in front of him kills his kid

39:07 in front of him and then shoot, and the dog gets shot somewhere along the way. Now that's going too far! The guy gets indicted... they know who the shooter is at the very last minute before the statute limitations even though they didn't know murder was a statue limitation situation in Idaho They decide to indict the guy And then the feds say no you can do that we'll take the case and they took the case immediately let the guy go under sovereign immunity which is a very sketchy... Sovereign immunity? Yeah, sovereign immunity is the fact that you can't sue the federal government for certain things and I guess murder would be one of them. Hey man if the government kills you can't sue them! You can do that! So the government has already done this and it didn't get much they played it up to the public as this guy was a nutball he's a tax avoider and all the rest complete lunatic

39:59 so nothing came of it in terms of public outcry. Now this is, this situation's occurred and there's been some complaining about it very little generally speaking I the thing that I thought was the interesting coincidence as soon as they supposedly killed a Lockie the ice I immediately put my VCR on to the Napolitano show on Fox because in the Palitano has been bitching about this This kill order since it ever since it was implemented Napolitano show has not been on the air since Yeah, that's pretty funny everyone is propagating this message and Excuse me. I went to two

CHAPTER 14 / 37 Discussion

Executive Order 12333 and the War on Al-Qaeda

The hosts examine Executive Order 12333, signed by Ronald Reagan, which prohibits government-sanctioned assassinations. They play clips from The McLaughlin Group debating the legality of the al-Awlaki strike. Pat Buchanan notes a fundamental shift in rhetoric from the "War on Terror" to a specific "War on Al-Qaeda" to provide legal cover for targeted killings.

ronald reagan· assassination ban· pat buchanan· 9/11· foreign policy

44:00 Because McLaughlin was actually the only guy who was kind of questioning what was going on. But besides the fact that this is phony, it's meant to spark a debate and it's meant... I mean what's better than having drones shoot you as an American citizen? Is being afraid of drone shooting you without actually having spent any ammo. By the way, I want to mention that people should note this The McLaughlin report, we talked about this show in detail and deconstructed it some time ago. We included with some people that used to produce the show. The show is scripted to the letter...to every nth degree. It's scripted. Oh I appreciate your point now. That's not a bunch of guys ad-libbing. That's very good of you to point that out So there's executive order and catch this 1 2 3 3 3 Which i didn't realize until I was listening this morning say oh of course

44:47 Executive Order 12333 written by former President Ronald Reagan. President Reagan in 1981 issued executive order 12333 Buchanan was there working for him, otherwise known as the assassination ban Here is the language of the law of the land. No person employed by or acting on behalf of the United States government shall engage in, or conspire to engage in assassination. No agency of the intelligence community shall participate in or request any person to undertake activities forbidden by this order." Unquote. Question? Was it legal I ask you

45:31 Liz for President Obama to order the assassination of an American citizen So now that instead of Tony Blakely who I kind of liked always on the show, so he's off they have this Not-so-milfy woman which is young and I think she writes for a blog or something. I'm not quite sure um I you'd have to look it up. I'm not sure what I can tell by our voice Yeah, well, I think the White House would tell you that they derived their legal authority for any operation like this from The what Congress passed in the wake of 9-11 basically authorizing the united states to defend itself against the al-qaeda network and so they think they have plenty of uh... legal cover for this type of operation and i think if you look at where the american public stands at large what do you think the american public stands at large john

46:20 I think we all think it's great, don't you? Oh that's fantastic. Yeah! uh... combating al-qaeda and on near foreign policy in general it's now foreign policy that's what this is falls under foreign policy um... why isn't the president getting more credit for this and you know some democrats actually in the wake of what happened at today saying maybe yet more credit

46:57 America, fuck yeah! Here to save the motherfucking day now. I think the White House needs to start doing a little more chest thumping in the manner of George W Bush perhaps or at least drawing a little more attention to the fact- Bush has done nothing like this you can shut her off. Can i have a couple of- Well I'd like you to listen to Well, Buchanan says something really interesting. Okay He's coming right up and then I mean just a couple things this is what we do John we have to deconstruct that they've actually had a run of real success on the foreign policy front. Mark

47:34 Well, I mean whatever else you want to say about it. There certainly is a moral justification for going after somebody like this and we are involved in a totally different kind of warfare than we've ever experienced before where here comes Buchanan's gonna shoot it in involve with the group but terrorism who use any means to disrupt whatever they can in the United States so I have no qualms about what the fact that we did it and I think it's wonderful that we're taking out some leadership and I hope that this keeps them suppressed and on-the-run instead of attacking us I think it's absolutely justified. That's the number one issue on everybody's mind. I do wish you know that uh Lockheed was an American citizen yeah he is an American well he was inciting terror against American citizens John but here's the thing i do wish the president doesn't say this is a war on terror

48:37 but yes he does. He doesn't put it under that category, no he does not. No he says the war against Al Qaeda. The war on al-Qaeda but I do wish that the United States had formally declared war on the al-qaeda network Okay so thats what is is its a shift from the War On Terror to the War On Al Qaeda That's what the fundamental shift is. Remember now that the brand new director of the agency, The Bureau of Counterterrorism is a lawyer We've tracked this guy all the way back He's a lawyer and this is down to legality because it's the war on Al-Qaeda And here is PBS propagating their meme in their 6 o'clock news There you go It's the war on al Qaeda John! That's the change here

CHAPTER 15 / 37 Discussion

Samir Khan and the Legality of Killing Americans

The hosts discuss Samir Khan, the American editor of Inspire magazine who was also killed in the Yemen drone strike. They question why his family hasn't filed a wrongful death suit. Dvorak predicts that Obama may face legal issues in the International Criminal Court in the future and questions when drones will be used in Mexico or against domestic protesters.

samir khan· inspire magazine· justice department· international criminal court· mexico

49:24 And that's why it's okay. So how come Samir Khan shows up in the news as one of the, another American by the way that's killed and I would think that if he was actually killed that his family which still resides in United States would have a wrongful death suit on their hands. That they could throw at the USR to get the government to CIA or whoever did it really won't say who did this but I thought there was interesting The New York Times had

50:12 Mentioned they talked about this con guy and they and they kept over and over again. This mean keeps cropping up Let me just read this is also in the government security news it shows up It says In his magazine July 2010 he has run how-to articles on terror techniques including one called quote How to make a bomb in the kitchen with your mom That's sexy. This was highlighted in the New York Times and what's curious about it is has exactly 30 letters And it was, and the exact same thing was run three times on the same page of The Times. It was running an article about him it was run as a pull quote and it was running in the article above about a Lockie! I just think that there's code here that says hey this guy is either not dead or don't pay too much attention to this story or whatever Well its the magical 3! That's the magic number...

51:13 And also they're using Kaida rather than Al-Qaeda which also means something. But anyway so this but now the problem I think that's developing here that has to that nobody is addressing because there was a number of articles describing the legality of killing Americans by fiat right Right. Everybody that I read, and there's articles again in all the national media where apparently everybody in the Justice Department and most of the government workers all said that this was totally legal because it was self-defense Oh yeah! The guy was clearly attacking us planning attacks with a rubber knife and a compass

51:57 So I'm thinking, and now they're going to make the war on al-Qaeda. The war on this one that so now it's been we've been given the go ahead and by the way This is gonna be very interesting in the years ahead when Obama tries to travel to Europe Because this is not getting past a world criminal court I can assure you or international criminal court which we don't recognize guys never gonna get out of the country there I was telling you This is like that's a prediction so I'm sorry. Well anyway, so when do we start using drones in Mexico and taking out the drug lords? When do we start? What are you talking about?

CHAPTER 16 / 37 Discussion

Autonomous Drones and Public Execution Reality Shows

The discussion moves to the future of "autonomous drones" that use facial recognition and bio-data to identify targets without human intervention. Adam Curry references a CNN report by Nick Robertson on the technology. The hosts jokingly suggest that drone strikes and public executions should be turned into interactive reality TV shows where the public votes via text.

autonomous drones· skynet· facial recognition· nick robertson· reality tv

52:33 It's been going on forever. This is this is only just the beginning, this is just the beginning of drone nation I want to see more and more of these drone attacks When do we start with having drones over San Francisco or Boston and taking out protesters? Oh! Any day now You have to remember that in the 60s, and of course I did the timeline earlier. That just at this point in history, I believe within a few years the National Guard shot a bunch of students at Kent State So the idea of killing Americans by our federal government is nothing new. We had the weaver thing more recently, but we had the killing 40 years ago at Kent State and so I suspect there are going to be some deaths coming up here big ones

53:22 And nobody's gonna say crap about it because everyone has already gone along with this remote control kit. No, no it is good! We like it and in fact... Everybody thinks its great, its fantastic! I saw Nick Robertson... The interest man had to go. I saw Nick Robertson the former satellite engineer who now is a senior correspondent at CNN he used to point the satellite dish He did a whole report talking about autonomous drones So autonomous drones, this is crazy. Robocop! Yeah Skynet so autonomous drones fly around they have bio data on you from when you go through the body scanner and stuff like that to have your profile their facial recognition and then if you're one of the lucky 420 thousand on the list because that's how big the list is apparently

54:14 then you'll just be taken out. Autonomously, no one has to fly it and say go ahead and shoot the drone will know! It's great that we have the next gen aviation system on the way so these drones can do anything they need to do by the way it is kind of a minor coincidence I think not! That The Underwear Bombers trial is starting next week Kind of convenient to have these guys out of the way. Another actor who we've never... These guys, you know it's I don't believe any of it anymore!

54:54 And to have spokeshole Carney say, well you know we're not talking about how he was killed or whatever. In fact if they are not talking about how he was killed why was it ever even announced? To be awesome and to frighten the world... Why didn't they just shoot the... If this is all true let's assume that the scenario is accurate and this happened what what is the point of telling us I know people who used to work on the drones CIS admins And part of their job would be they'd get a request and the request would be we need pictures uh, of some person that we droned. An this person actually left that job an was lucky to get out because this person was getting physically ill of retrieving the pictures from the server of people blown to bits But they have that! It exists for every single drone strike it's high def its great footage Quite honestly I would invest money into turning that into a reality show

55:54 I've been saying this for a while. It would go over big with the American public, the way they bloodthirst the American public! I think we have the autonomous drone and then it's flying around and then it sees a dude and then we get to text message vote whether we kill him or not whether he gets droned And it's all live. We've said on this very show many, many times that we should have public executions! That should be a reality show! We should be broadcasting that live! You'd make a lot more money producing that show. No kidding and I see nothing morally wrong with it. We're killing people who gives a crap Anyway actors Terry Greenberg Google him. By the way I'm gonna ask you a question not quite an Ask Adam

CHAPTER 17 / 37 Discussion

Fox and Friends Cyber Master Narrative

The hosts mock Fox & Friends for their coverage of Anwar al-Awlaki, specifically the description of him as a "cyber master." They deconstruct the narrative linking al-Awlaki to the 9/11 hijackers of Flight 77 and various "homegrown" terror plots. They argue the media is casting al-Awlaki as a "mastermind" to justify the drone program.

fox and friends· cyber master· flight 77· khalid sheikh mohammed· homegrown terrorism

56:37 Because I don't want to listen to the theme. You hate the jingles, yeah When did the CIA become part of the military? When Leon Panetta joined! It was a flop switch swat pshh it's perfect! Ah come on man How come how come the Air Force isn't doing these drone attacks Yeah because uh the Air Force actually- They're not pilots No the air force actually wants to fly these are just kids with Xbox 360 experience and the air force hates the drones they hate them they think it's wrong And, you know it's like having as they say some guy looking through a straw flying that thing. No no no no no Just for laughs though because this of course is what the American public is being told and consumes You have to listen to Fox & Friends about this because its

57:27 It's it just if you don't laugh then that'll be two minutes of your life. You never get back again, and I apologize Okay So go the reports and this target was finally was finally taken out the question remains what happened to his remains How is he? Taken out who are those people with him when they died And if it was such a room so important to do these so-called right thing with bin Laden's body Isn't it equally important to do the right thing with what's left of his body? Uh, well that'll remain to be seen. However the most important fact is that he's dead and uh this- let's just talk about how far reaching his tentacles are You know what I love this woman by the way It's just important that he's dead alright That's cool He's dead, that's important Because specifically he was an expert I think he was described earlier this morning as a cyber master Yes! I'm a Cyber Masterrrr

58:18 Where was that described? I never heard it. The president should have said that he was a cyber master He was a cyber master. I'm Fox and friends getting this who cares it's hilarious, and I can see up her skirt expert on the internet And we all he's an expert on the Internet is a techno expert on the Internet know that that is the place where so many young people were being radicalized specifically in English-speaking nations right here at home America one of our guests was talking about Canada Britain Australia and And let's talk about the links that Al-Awlaki had all the way back to 9-11. Apparently two of the hijackers went to hear him.

58:56 In a mosque in San Diego, in 2000 before the September 11th attack. So he's been up to this for quite some time I'd never heard of this guy until they cast him a couple years ago This is totally bullcrap It's just like remember that? Yeah...I guess so Quite sometime then he had the connection to the Times Square bomber Then he had the connection to the Fort Hood shooter Then he had the connection to the underwear bomber So will this now end some of those homegrown attacks that we've been seeing at least here and also in Great Britain or all those continue since he seemed to be the mastermind of many of them. Mastermind, mastermind! He is home grown here in the United States This particular guy Made in the USA That's what it should be Al Qaeda made in the USA Homegrown right here Often referred to as the American terrorist He was born in New Mexico In 1971 And Khalid Sheikh Mohammed

59:49 and he contacted those two guys, he had contact with the two pilots uh... the hijackers from flight 77. Do you remember any of that? Flight 77? This is all You know, this is like bull crap. But that's why here final 30 seconds. He also sees the word inspire Steve I believe that was the name of his magazine Listen, oh! The Inspire Magazine Oh for those who haven't downloaded the PDF please kind of milfy not so hot looking woman whose skirt i'm intended to look up Please tell me about Inspire Magazine That he had out on the internet I remember we did interviews when it first came out and many people were so concerned

CHAPTER 18 / 37 Discussion

FBI Footnote Discrepancies and Al-Awlaki's Background

A Fox News investigative report is analyzed regarding FBI Special Agent Wade Ammerman and missing documents related to Anwar al-Awlaki's 2002 entry into the U.S. The FBI reportedly claimed "herculean efforts" to find a document cited in the 9/11 Commission Report, only to later withhold it. The hosts suggest al-Awlaki may have been a "flipped" asset.

fbi· 9/11 commission report· wade ammerman· foia· passport file

1:00:29 about the fact that this thing looked high-tech and it was glossy and is gonna attract so many people to go there. Hey, remember that? John how high tech and glossy look at PDF? It's sad... Who watches this show? Oh you'd be amazed! Idiots People still watch The Today Show That's where should get your clips not from these idiots Okay where is your today show clip I don't have one So uh I got a couple of funny clips though on this. They had, I thought there was a lot of interesting mixed messages coming out of this assassination

1:01:07 They had Christina Amanpoura, who's been compromised now that she works for ABC. She makes the comment that now we're safer but that was in direct conflict with all the sudden emergence of oh we're not safe! We were more danger than ever because they're gonna make up... He's martyred he's been martyred Meanwhile, she- I play the safer or not safer clip because she has a- She has the most unusual pronunciation for his name. Much better than an actor or a lackey The president said it is a major blow to Al-Qaeda operations. What will the reaction be from the Muslim world and also, is the US safer? I would say that the U.S. is safer as the President says this deals with very significant blow to al Qaeda American jihadis were big problem according to intelligence officials here and Al-Alki was a major inspiration and motivator of American jihadis so this is a big deal from all way over... Alky? Al-Alkey? Al-Alkey!

1:02:07 He's an alcoholic? Apparently. Pretty crazy man, it's like really you got to turn off your TV because this is and what I found interesting on this morning's news shows which always have a little bit of time to have that on the background they're not talking about this at all it's all about the elections It's almost like the memo went out and said, okay now that we have... Chris Christie. Yeah Chris Christie exactly Now that the memo is out you know let's all talk about something else I don't know it was kind of crazy. I think they got..I think this there's they have all kinds of problems They don't know what to do about by the way There was a Fox did a special report on Al-Alaki Alky? Al-Aktar? Alky? Al-Alki? Alcoholic

1:02:57 where they actually discussed whether or not he was a flipped as it were and back after 9-11 because he was a speaker at the Pentagon. He was a speaker and then the funny thing was I they showed these memos that day and that they highlighted stuff but luckily with HD, I could stop the subject recording and look and read these memos that he weren't really reading. This guy got a degree at Colorado State, got a master's degree at San Diego State then he was getting his PhD at George Washington University and this was in 2002 I guess where he got recruited And yeah, because he was in the Virginia area. Yeah it's where he got recruited but they try to discuss this a little bit they don't go you know they talk about one of his visits and the fact that he came into the country and then he went to uh... the mosque in London It might be worth playing this clip cause there are some tidbits in here Because apparently there is a cover up going on This report ran over the weekend at some weird hour So very few people get to see it But I thought it was revealing

1:04:00 young American Muslims to go join the Jihad and that Tamimi sent him out of the house and sent him away. FBI agent Wade Ammerman, what role did he play in the case? Wade Ammerman was the number two or lead guide in Ali Tamimi's case The very same Wade Ammerman who was first called when Alaki arrived at JFK. I mean there are a lot of things once again that seem like a very strange coincidence Whether there was ever an operational relationship with people like Al-Aki, I think are questions that others in the government can answer...I just don't know Good questions.

1:04:53 You know, to travel around maybe go shopping is preposterous to me. I don't know if Lockheed has flipped him out Does this look like he was flipped? It's possible We filed Freedom of Information Act requests with the State Department To get Ray Fournier a Lockheed passport file And with the FBI for October 8th 2002 electronic communication It is cited as footnote 33 on page 517 from the 9-11 commission report we wanted to see If it is connected The FBI lawyers told us is that they couldn't find it. And then when we pushed them on this particular document, they then said well sometimes the commission report the footnotes are not always accurate. Have you had a lot of problems with the footnotes in the commission report? We had a site checking team that actually pulled all the documents referenced in our footnotes and made sure that they connected to those assertions that were in the text

1:05:47 FBI Special Agent Wade Ammerman declined to speak with us. In a series of conversations with Fox News, the FBI's FOIA attorneys over four-week period cited herculean efforts to find the document they were hitting quote brick walls we're trying to follow up on leads on May 17th they told us they found it but we can't have it pending review because other agencies may be involved Then, sometime in late 2002, a lock he mysteriously slips out of the country once again. This time to England Yeah that whole 9-11 commission report pretty good stuff So they finally found this document supposedly that they lost and then they said they couldn't give it to him because of other agencies? Yeah with three letters who shall go unnamed exactly

CHAPTER 19 / 37 Discussion

Demos Think Tank and Digital Judgment Lessons

The hosts critique a report from the UK think tank Demos, which advocates for "digital judgment lessons" in schools to combat internet conspiracy theories. The report claims 48% of teachers have argued with students about misinformation. Curry and Dvorak characterize this as the creation of a "Ministry of Truth" involving Google and Yahoo to control the narrative in classrooms.

demos· bbc· conspiracy theories· ministry of truth· digital literacy

1:06:38 Yeah, and you know the six commissioners on the 9-11 Commission have come out and said it was full of holes And there was no good and compromise and crap basically that's not yeah. It's not reported No one cares I have figured it out though. I figured out what this is all about this Anwar al-Alki so he first saw he went to Colorado State then he went to George Washington University, and who's getting his PhD where? No, he was- he went to Colorado State then San Diego State then he was getting his PhD at George Washington. Oh I know the problem! He didn't pay back a student loan so the president's loaned him. That's what we're doing. Boom! Okay there he is. Send a message. Credit The Purple Sage on that one I have to say. Uh yeah send- That's your typical chat room humor? Yeah I like it though This is where big countries come too by the way Chat Room Humor

1:07:35 That's what it is. Let's go across the ocean to Gitmo Nation East, a very interesting Development based upon a survey which and a study from a think tank, which I have a copy of of course The BBC broadcast this report about something new that shall be held in classrooms called digital judgment lessons information on how we get it so you have trust on one side and give distrust than the other side Two school sessions in which Demos explore pupils online abilities, in Liverpool. I was searching on Google and believed the first answer that came up to be honest! I know I shouldn't do it but Google's like a trusted website And in East London where conspiracy theories are quickly raised There was a documentary about this guy he does his own research finding out that By the way listen to this idiot trying to explain 9-11 but uh... He doesn't know what is called

1:08:36 In one of the FBI, you know the building that got hit by a bomb... plane. Apparently it was not a plane it was a missile from the army Some pupils are internet savvy others fall foul to problems think tank says are common Demos brought together existing research and surveyed 500 teachers across England and Wales Teachers are increasingly finding that their pupils are bringing into the classroom conspiracy theories, misinformation propaganda that they found on the internet. And what I think that means is young people aren't really being taught enough about how to critically assess and evaluate the information they're finding online So,

1:09:34 I looked up their website, Demos which is just demos but they call it Demos and i found there a research paper in the show notes as well in the assets section and its very interesting now of course im all for educating your own children about how to look at things and question things. In fact question everything but what they're asserting certainly in this survey is that everything on the internet is a conspiracy theory Everything! And if you even look at their executive summary There are children are unable to recognize what's the URL of this thing it's a second I'm looking at the bring it up for you demos.co.uk Demos

1:10:24 Uhh... As a result, children are too often influenced by information they should probably discard. This makes them vulnerable to the pitfalls and rabbit holes of ignorance, falsehoods, cons and scams! Inaccurate content online misinformation and conspiracy theories such as those which surround the death of Osama Bin Laden are appearing in the classroom That's pretty egregious Ooh Misinformation, propaganda and conspiracy theories are being brought into the classroom. 47% of teachers surveyed report having encountered arguments within lessons or submitted schoolwork good work kids that contain inaccurate internet-based content they regard as deliberately packaged by the producers to be misleading or deceitful for example Holocaust denial packages radical historical revisionism bring in the Jew thing that always works well on a survey

1:11:17 18% report this happens on at least a monthly basis. Perhaps more surprisingly, 48% of teachers surveyed report having had arguments in class with pupils about conspiracy theories! More than one in five reported this happen on a monthly basis so here's kids questioning I don't know if they're arguing per se but they're certainly questioning things The answer is quite simple the Department of Education should join forces with the private sector and third sector to create... what's a third sector? What's the third sector it says yeah CIA? The Department for Education should join forces with the private sector and third sector to create a set of teacher resources ah Ministry of Truth both the Department for Education and internet companies such as Google in Yahoo Should create materials that can be used in the classroom, and we're possible teaching assistants

1:12:11 Bespoke web presence should be created to provide an overarching context for digital fluency teaching This is the start of your digital internet license Yes, well want to remind people we do have podcasting licenses available for $33 now here's it now I feel as a personal PR fail that we were not mentioned in this document and But at least we got this kind of on the sideline. Misinformation often thrives because it is more attractively packaged and disseminated as shareable, social media-friendly products. Teaching resources must use the same techniques to teach as young people use—YouTube videos, webinars, interactive tasks and podcasts."

CHAPTER 20 / 37 Discussion

WTC7 and the Financial Times Connection

The hosts examine the staff of the Demos think tank, noting connections to The Financial Times. They criticize the Demos report for dismissing the film "Loose Change" and 9/11 skepticism without addressing specific anomalies like the collapse of World Trade Center 7. They argue the initiative is a "money grab" to fund government-approved curriculum.

world trade center 7· loose change· cass sunstein· financial times· ministry of truth

1:12:56 So did you look at the people that are involved with this? They're all government shills, the whole thing. Well did you see a picture of Jake Chapman what do you think he's all about? No hold on second under people I see staff Jake Chapman Lego robot Jake has been a demos associates since 2002 and is working on the legal highs project. I'm the guy's stone You couldn't show for picture day apparently that's just crazy, so this is uh there you go oh Also the use of imagery really this is amazing they are

1:13:43 Totally with that I'll just read it with YouTube Vimeo Flickr and other social media sites hosting visual content image manipulation techniques are increasingly allowing misinformation to be powerfully and attractively package by the government The conspiracy film Loose Change, which claims that 9-11 was a false flag attack perpetrated by elements of the US intelligence became an internet sensation attracting millions of views. The litany of errors misattributions vague insinuations subtle misquotes and outright falsehoods were masked by a cool soundtrack by DJ Schooley atmospheric narration and mesmerizing video editing

1:14:25 So, these guys just in one little paragraph say the whole thing was bullcrap. Did they explain World Trade Center 7? No. Oh well then...no. It has to be taken with a grain of salt. But then they do go into quote Cass Sunstein so it's beautiful things. WTC7 won't go away! So I see that the director is one your pals at The Financial Times. Oh really? That doesn't surprise me who's married to another person at the Financial Times. Of course, this is ministry of truth and but to say we have to have these teachings on how not to get duped on the internet in the classroom is highly annoying

1:15:18 Well, people do get duped a lot on the internet. Let's face it. Sure but it is one thing to say you get duped but how about not getting duped by the news? Now here's the joke of it The news itself, the news media people have been duped over and over again themselves So how does this help? No, it doesn't of course Well, I think you're making a mountain out of a molehill with this thing. It's just the money grab Well we'll see if it gets implemented and if your kids have internet judgment lessons on the curriculum I like the internet judgment lesson How do you think will do? Internet Judgment Lesson Of The Day Adam Curry and John C. Dvorak are not to be trusted Not a single thing they say is true ever

CHAPTER 21 / 37 Discussion

Jimmy Kimmel Unnecessary Censorship and Bleeping Humor

Adam Curry plays a clip from Jimmy Kimmel's "Unnecessary Censorship" segment, where harmless words are bleeped to sound like profanity. He suggests using this technique on political figures like Nancy Pelosi to highlight the absurdity of their speeches. Dvorak remains skeptical of the humor, preferring unedited television.

jimmy kimmel· fcc· censorship· bleeping· nancy pelosi

1:16:14 So you can, talking about twisting there is a little feature that Jimmy Kimmel does on his show and I've always wanted to tape it a couple of times but i did tape at this time where he uh... and i think we should start. The only reason why i want to run this because i think something we should think doing Okay, which is that if you when somebody says things if you just bleep it know that It's funnier and you bring attention to it. Well no You make it sound like they're cussing or you are you just yeah exactly you be made? It's this combination of things but these bleeps that he does are legitimate bleeps I mean they're taken you get the right word like Like you say this it's a fake picture. You know use you make us a fuck you

1:16:58 You have the F and the K in there, it sounds like he's saying a fuck picture. And it would be very humorous to do with a Nancy... What's her name? A speaker of the house Pelosi speech To just bleep the crap out of it But play this so you can see what I'm talking about It's Thursday night time for our weekly tribute to the FCC where we bleep and blur things whether they need or not is This Week In Unnecessary Censorship The president tonight was trying to raise his poll numbers, replenish his campaign coffers and f*** up his supporters again. Tonight I remember my parents by giving food to the hungry clothing to the needy and s**t for the homeless. So we come here at delicious d*** just in time for the weekend What has been the craziest fan experience that you've had? A man pulled down his pants and I f**** him Michael Jackson literally put his

1:18:00 in the hands of Conrad Murray. I need the c*** in the butt, I need that! What does your wife scream during an orgasm? Oh God! And she responds... Oh big b****! I certainly don't want my children to read the internet and go mommy's a tramp so mommy f**ked America and I do not want that. Convicted murderer George Wright escaped from a New Jersey prison reportedly by s**ting the warden's c**k I do real estate during the day and recently my partner and i have opened the city's premier blowjob bar and vanity lounge. You don't want to be late for your eight o'clock appointment sir! You're easily amused aren't you? You know, what is funny is that how someone can actually listen to these clips and get those and figure those out on-the-fly Yeah yeah...I find just regular television without the beeps funnier quite honestly Okay go on

CHAPTER 22 / 37 Discussion

Michelle Obama Target Shopping Trip Publicity

The hosts deconstruct a "secret" shopping trip by First Lady Michelle Obama to a Target store in Virginia. They argue the event was a staged PR stunt and a "money grab" for campaign contributions. They note the timing coincides with Target's efforts to fight unionization among its employees, suggesting a political quid pro quo.

michelle obama· target· union busting· pr stunt· first lady

1:19:01 I'm trying to lighten the show up once in a while and this is the response i get. What no, I thought it was funny! I'll give you that we can do this one for you haven't done this in awhile. And now back to real news. Oh my god Real News! Mrs Obama has said she likes to do normal things that aren't part of her White House life but those trips have been pretty much a secret until now It turns out the first lady's to-do list included this Virginia shopping center Check this out behind those dark glasses tucked under that Nike cap one of the world's most famous women Yes, that is the first lady of the United States at Target. Yeah That was awesome I mean how stupid do they think we really are apparently very stupid Wow you didn't see what a great plug for target yeah And I think she was wearing an old Navy blouse actually isn't this illegal?

1:19:59 Yeah. What? Plug it in... I mean, that's basically an advertisement for Target! It's like the government is approving people shopping at Target. Well they've got a union- Who was the PR person for Target?! Well they've got a union right and maybe the- No, I don't think so. No, I think they do. I don't think so. Maybe they need a union Well, I don't think that's what the reason for this is. Looks like somebody said... This is a money grab! My wife will go to Target but we need a little more contribution to the election campaign. Now you watch if you look this up, I betcha' the guy who was CEO of Targets just coughed up a buncha' money Can someone please investigate that right now? That's a good one It wouldn't surprise me Or maybe it went the other way around

1:20:47 Hey, Barack. Barry! Barry listen up Barry. You know I need some support for this election. August 17th 2011 Target fires worker who sought union. Target workers say no to Union There's no union there Okay Now if i was a union person I would say what's the deal? Here is another one Cranes New York Business This year target fires pro-union employee Target workers reject union. Union cries foul Hmm so maybe there is Obama. What side of the fence is he on with the Union thing? No, but that's kind of coincidental that there's union stuff with Target going on only just a month before this happens I don't know But it's certainly a promotion for target There's no doubt about that oh yeah, and now she a Tarzana and now she's like the Easter egg hey man Let's go to target maybe Michelle will be there. It's cool Did you see the new United States Postal Service ad?

CHAPTER 23 / 37 Discussion

United States Postal Service Privatization Scam

The hosts discuss the financial crisis at the U.S. Postal Service, arguing it is a manufactured "scam" to force privatization. They explain that Congress mandated the USPS to pre-fund 75 years of retiree health benefits over a decade, which is the primary cause of their reported losses. They suggest lobbyists for FedEx and UPS are behind the move.

usps· federal express· ups· retirement funding· privatization

1:21:51 Their new television campaign? No, what now. Okay here's how- I thought they were broke! How can they afford this?! Here's how the meeting went Yeah dude what uh... What can we do to like uh.. How can we differentiate ourselves from email? I know! We'll call it secure! A refrigerator has never been hacked An online virus has never attacked a cork board Give your customers the added feeling of security a printed statement or receipt provides With mail It's good for your business

1:22:30 and even better for your customers. For safe and secure ways to stay connected, visit usps.com slash mail. Your refrigerator's never been hacked therefore... Yeah yet! The postal service is- They're trying to put all our appliances on IP addresses and it will be hacked I can assure you. I just thought that was kind of interesting that that's the best they could come up with? It's like well we're secure You know? I have on the other hand waited weeks for a check to come You know, I have had stuff get lost in the mail. I don't know...I'm just saying. Well the attack on the post office is pretty funny because they're obviously trying to...if you think it's bad now wait until they privatize it Yeah Which is what their trying to do And by the way did you know that the number of packages going through the post office is actually higher than ever Oh is that a fact?

1:23:32 And the amount of money they're making is more than, I mean within the last five years is more than ever. How does it work that they're broke then? Because they were told to fully fund the next 75 years of projected retirements over the next decade so they have to fund seven years in advance every year and its breaking them! It's a scam So they're not really broke, it's they have the money is just in a separate account? It's been screwed out of it. They've been told to do you could definitely this is all over the place. The post office is doing just fine we've talked about this before they are being scammed probably by the forces of Federal Express and UPS and various lobbyists to put these guys out of business even though its in the Constitution might be a problem but

1:24:17 But to put these guys out of business, privatize it do something. So how are they going to do that? They came up with this scheme to force the post office to fund fully fund the next 75 years worth of retirements over the next 10 years so in other words seven seven years in advance every year which you can't afford It's not possible. It's all the profits and everything if you didn't, if they weren't doing this they'd be making lots of money So I haven't had...I just couldn't bring it up in myself to watch some of those hearings on television on C-SPAN about it because I thought I would die of boredom

1:24:56 Did this ever come up in any of those? I don't recall. This has come up a number of times, we had a clip once before one of the guys who's talking about this is a massive scam the public is being taken for a ride so they're gonna close a bunch of offices and then fire a bunch of people and then they're gonna still have problems because they basically stealing the money from the post office The post office is being scammed And the public doesn't seem to either care or know or whatever and that Congress is going along with it And then the next thing you're going to have instead of being able to mail a letter for 44 cents, it's gonna cost ya $5 and it's gonna go on a FedEx truck. I'm looking for the clip that we played of the post office. Well I have a post office clip from Democracy Now! that I sent last week

CHAPTER 24 / 37 Discussion

European Stability Mechanism and the ESM Treaty

Adam Curry presents a "smoking gun" document regarding the European Stability Mechanism (ESM) Treaty. He details how the treaty grants the ESM and its directors total legal immunity, tax-free status, and the power to make "cash calls" to Eurozone member states. He warns that this unelected body in Luxembourg represents a total takeover of European taxation and sovereignty.

esm treaty· eurozone· luxembourg· immunity· financial stability

1:25:44 You want to define that one? Well, I have one here which is the Hold on a second history of post office ripoffs. Would that be something? I don't know find but play it We'll see now hold on a second Do you want me to get the the one from last week? The one from last week kind of explains the fact that they're making money The last show hold on a second let me check for ya That's well worth it now that we're talking about it so before three four Right. Oh, you know I now I probably deleted it because when we don't use a clip by delete it I'm sorry what should be in your inbox Yeah Hey everyone wants just go do something for yourself while Adam parses his email before you got this great program You keep bragging about Forget about it European Union I have come across the smoking gun

1:26:42 and I've done some work for you all, those of you that live in the United States or Europe. This is about the European Stability Mechanism and this is something you have not heard of although it was there... There is a picture of I believe 20 finance ministers from the Eurozone which does not include Gitmo Nation East UK because they don't use the euro But it's the Kingdom of Belgium, the Federal Republic of Germany. These are the official titles actually The Kingdom of Spain, The Kingdom of Netherlands, The Republic of Austria etc., etc And I'm looking through this document It was signed on July 11th 2011 and so its done Its a done deal but now has to be ratified before December 31st of this year

1:27:35 And it's a very interesting document and basically for those of you living in Europe, here is how you're going to get raped. You want to just go through this for a second John? You might find this interesting. Go! Committed to ensuring the financial stability of the euro area, recalling the conclusions of the European Council adopted on 25th March as for the establishment of a European Stability Mechanism. Everyone's talking about this EFSF or whatever it is but that's actually not under you know that's the thing they show in the headlines and under the cover this fund they're going to put together the fund will be 700 billion euros. 700 billion! The ESM will cooperate very closely with the International Monetary Fund in providing financial assistance to any of the eurozone countries that should need money from this seven hundred billion euro fund as very interesting

1:28:36 Because there's a couple of provisions, you know I like to read these documents. Here it is... Like the IMF ESM will provide financial assistance to an ESM member when its regular access to market financing is impaired so essentially this is what they're going to do with Italy and Portugal in Spain By the way the PDF is all highlighted in the show notes If you can't... So that there can be calls so they can call for more money and you have to pay. So above the 700 billion, you have to pay extra if there's a cash call If any ESM member fails to pay any part of the amount due in respect to its obligations then you basically dilute in your shares and your exercise voting rights. Then...if your country can't pay then you're screwed shut up! You can say anything anymore Then we have

1:29:37 The interesting bits... hold on, I've just got to scroll down here. There's the capital calls bit. The ESM has its seat in principal office in Luxembourg of course where all the shills are Here it goes. The ESM, its property funding and assets wherever located and by whomever held shall enjoy immunity from every form of judicial process except to the extent that the ESM expressly waives its immunity for the purpose of any proceedings by the terms of any contract including the documentation of the funding instruments. The property funding and assets of the ESM shall where ever located and by whomever be held immune from search

1:30:22 requisition, confiscation expropriation or any form of seizure taking or foreclosure by executive judicial administrative or legal action. In other words fuck you whatever we do is up to us the archives at the ESM and all documents belong to ESM were held by it shall be inviolable in other words you can't go into their building you can look at the documents then the directors are the premises have the ESM shall be inviolable To the extent necessary to carry out the activities provided in this treaty, all property funding and assets shall be free from restrictions regulations control and moratoria of any nature. Nothing shall be taxed And in the interest of the ESM, the chairperson of the Board of Governors, governors alternate governor's director, alternate directors as well as a managing director other staff members shall be immune from legal proceedings with respect to acts performed by them In their official capacity so enjoy inviolability in respect of their official papers and documents

1:31:21 This is despicable. So a group of douchebags got together and said we're gonna take 700 billion euros from all the countries who are in the eurozone We're going to manage it however, we feel fit You can't say anything about it and you can't come after us in any way whatsoever This is the start of what I predicted and what was that? That all the taxation, taxation of every single Euro country and then you have nothing to say about it. And then Brussels will have all the power they're taking everyone's money 700 billion euros John! It's a trillion dollars But right here in the document says if we need more money than we make a cash call if you can't pay you dilute and you have no voting rights so guess who is going win? Germany

1:32:13 Well, this is a little less violent than the Hitler approach. I'm telling you Hitler's going, ahoy! I should have known didn't have to kill all those people but it's the smoking gun and just be on the lookout in your eurozone country or member state beyond the look out for the ratification of this document and see if there's any press coverage over at all anything What's the name of the document again? It's about the ESM, The European Stability... Is there a name for the document or has it got a number or something? Hold on. It's the ESM Treaty that's what it's called I mean has a really long title hold on uh it's just the ESM treaty establishing the european stability mechanism between and then it gives all the countries is the ESM treaty and it was already signed by unelected people

CHAPTER 25 / 37 Discussion

NPR Caller Questions Ron Paul Media Blackout

A caller on NPR challenges the host about the lack of coverage for Ron Paul, despite his success in straw polls and military support. The hosts use this to highlight the "fixed" nature of political debates and the media's role in selecting frontrunners like Rick Perry and Mitt Romney while ignoring Paul.

npr· ron paul· straw polls· media bias· mitt romney

1:33:16 They just signed it. Well, I had a good job if you can get...I think we should work to try to get a job with these people. Wouldn't it be great? We could certainly do a little bit on their PR. It's just that sucks! Before we get into our thanking some producers uh I want to remind you that most of the news that you are hearing is completely controlled by corporations and It was a fun call on the NPR the other day by what could have been in no agenda listener except he forgot to throw an in-the-morning or best podcast in the universe calm but at least he made a little bit of fun of The uber lords that control the puppets on the microphones. Let's go next to Wes and West is on the line from Naples in Florida

1:34:01 My big question is, this thing is fixed. If it were a prize fight they would put the referee in jail! Every time we have a debate you put two guys up there, Perry and Romney. The lightingís good, the rest of them get about six minutes on the debates, those two And the same thing is true today. Ron Paul got carried California on the straw poll, I haven't heard him mentioned by you guys! He's leading the nation in straw polls. I haven't heard you mention that. The military is behind him almost 100%. I haven't heard you mention that. Most military people are behind him. You just leave him out as if he weren't even there.

1:34:49 Is someone from up in the top telling you guys to do that or are you doing it on your own? I'm just curious. We have you on the radio telling us, so thanks very much for the phone call. In fairness, I'm a big voice aren't I! And then ended up with best podcasting universe.com in the morning I'm gonna show my support by donating to no agenda imagine all the people who could do that. Oh, yeah Not a lot of donations by the way for this show but we do have a few John Critchley and Forch

CHAPTER 26 / 37 Discussion

Ham Radio Rigs and USB Toothbrushes

Adam Curry discusses his new ham radio "rig" and a USB toothbrush sent by Sir Birch. The hosts exchange banter about radio licenses and medical procedures, offering "karma" to a listener's father undergoing an angiogram. They also wish a happy 9th birthday to Nathan Vanderhorst, son of Black Knight Sir George Vanderhorst.

ham radio· transceiver· usb toothbrush· sir birch· angiogram

1:39:49 because a lot of people don't like the idea of PayPal and I don't either. And you can just send it check in the mail. And you can also allow your brain to be programmed. Devorak dot org slash N A Also want to thank KJ for sending me that transceiver so i'm wired now, not licensed but i'm wired John Oh your wired? Well you've been wired for some time Yeah but uh... But I got a rig now! In case a rig you call it. Yeah, what do you call your ham radio? Equipment it's a rig yeah What kind of reason that I actually have a license so I can call it a rig License to call it a rig calm You know as some I'm like all right listen to this thing oh here's Spanish dudes the whole time no actual No one's actually on this

1:40:44 You probably listen to the CB. Can I give one could you give me a karma for? For Donnie B Bain actually for his dad he was wondering if you request some car first dad who's going in for an angiogram To get a stent okay, absolutely we'll give you some time off of that it's not too bad. It's got karma from what I understand it feels weird and But it's not too bad a procedure, from what I understand. But karma for sure! Hey also...I got that uh... Who is our sir dentist up there near you in Washington? Sir Birch. Sir Birch. He lives in Washington and his name is named after a tree Yes. I got my USB toothbrush That thing is awesome Oh really? Yeah. It's funny because you get the toothbrush and I never got my CIA challenge coin

1:41:40 Well, you know do you really want the RFID chip that provides for tracking for the drones? If you wanted I mean i'll send you mine. I'm sure it works No no no no All right, I would put in the microwave though just to be safe Thanks everybody uh It's beautiful to see all of you coming in and supporting the program There is no other way that we make any revenues in our lives except for a couple columns John writes But he doesn't give me any of that So if you want us to continue the work that we're doing, if you think it's valuable please consider us. Value for value is our motto one more time. It's at devorak.org slash n-a

1:42:21 And we say happy birthday to Paul Gabrielson. He is congratulating himself, he celebrates tomorrow on the 3rd. Also Black Knight Sir George Vanderhorst congratulates his son Nathan who turns 9 tomorrow Happy Birthday from all your buddies here at The No Agenda Show! I'm just, i need more of the slide whistle. I really do all right why don't you grab your blade because we do have a uh We have a knighting today Keith Edwards step forward my friend

CHAPTER 27 / 37 Discussion

Moon Rising Documentary and NASA Photo Manipulation

Adam Curry recommends the documentary "Moon Rising," which claims to show colorized NASA photos revealing moon bases and light disks. The film argues that NASA has systematically manipulated lunar photography to hide extraterrestrial structures. Dvorak remains skeptical of the "space elevator" and moon base claims.

nasa· moon bases· hubble telescope· space elevator· documentary

1:43:05 Wonderful to see that you have supported the No Agenda show, the best podcast in the universe. With up to $1,000 in support it's critically important for us to continue this work therefore we proudly present thee with the honor of Sir Keith Edwards Knight at The No Agenda Roundtable and extend that ring finger You've got a knight-ring coming my friend Join us over here for the hot pants and booze Good to see ya Excellente. By the way, I saw this awesome movie, this documentary Moon Rising which is now in its second version and you can see it on YouTube it's in the show notes link and what they did was colorize all the NASA pictures of the moon because they're all black-and-white which have always found kind of strange even the Hubble telescope everything's always in black-and-white but...which..I don't think the moon is just gray

1:44:07 So they took earth tones and coordinated that to the moon pictures, and it's unbelievable because then you really see the moon bases. And they're big! It's really, really big. The moon bases? Yeah! Oh yeah the moon bases there are light disks hovering above different sections they show you how they've manipulated all of the NASA photographs I think it's called... the subtitle of the movie is uh... The Biggest Lie Never Told or something like that it's really phenomenal just an outstanding documentary and goes all the way to the Moon elevator space elevators pretty cool

CHAPTER 28 / 37 Discussion

Governing Through Crime and NCIS Propaganda

The hosts discuss the book "Governing Through Crime" by Jonathan Simon, which explores how the war on crime has transformed American democracy. They analyze an episode of NCIS as propaganda designed to reinforce the idea that "once a con, always a con," discouraging the hiring of former inmates and supporting the prison-industrial complex.

jonathan simon· ncis· prison industrial complex· propaganda· ex-cons

1:44:52 Yeah, the space elevator. Have you ever heard that joke? Well okay I You know me um I don't always Discredit it right off the bat so have a book to recommend for our book club Oh good governing through crime how the war on crime transformed American democracy and created a culture of fear came out in 2007 is by Jonathan Simon huh And I was looking at this book and also the stats on, you know we've talked about this before. The prisoners in this country started in 1980 just cranked way up because it's become a way of making money by enslaving... You know we have regular slave system but then we need these slaves in jail to work for 10 cents a day and so that's where any were trying to privatize as many of the jails as we can yeah and so I was thinking about this when I was watching for propaganda on TV

1:45:52 And I was and then it just dawned on me that there was an interesting episode the last episode of NCIS in a new season. Mm-hmm, and it was called restless episode and it was about an ex-con, it was about some girl who's abused as a child. It turns out that the owner who is an ex con of a restaurant uh...was the bad guy and that whole restaurant was still doing criminal activity even though this guy was running a legitimate business which was to give us the meme that once a con always a con And to drive this home I thought the most interesting kind of subtext was when they went to visit the guy for first time

1:46:31 this restaurant that he owned, it's supposed to be legitimate. The line was out the door! That meant that the restaurant was obviously hyper successful and despite that... He was still a crook. Of course and what is the point of that propaganda? The point is to make sure that people realize that criminals should never be hired. They're always going to be criminals and the criminal class is exactly what it is, they're dangerous or out there all the time they should probably be in jail working working for 10 cents a day

CHAPTER 29 / 37 Discussion

Blue Bloods See-and-Say Propaganda

A clip from the show "Blue Bloods" featuring Tom Selleck is used to illustrate the "See Something, Say Something" meme in popular media. The hosts link this cultural conditioning back to the Ruby Ridge incident, where a neighbor's report led to a federal standoff. They remind listeners of the See-and-Say Gallery website.

blue bloods· tom selleck· see something say something· mta· ruby ridge

1:47:09 Someone else caught a little propagation on blue bloods. Have you ever watched that show? Is that the show with Tom Selleck? I can't watch it, i find the pacing of the thing just unwatchable It's also really bad acting as referenced in this clip. There's a girl, young in her twenties. What's her name? I'm not good with names. I call them all honey But i thought i heard fighting coming from there when i was having my dinner last night And what did you do It was dinner When it was finished and already stopped You know the signs! You see something to say something You know the signs See something say something Takes us right back to your Ruby Ridge thing Actually somebody sent uh has a website now

1:48:00 where they're collecting, initially they are collecting pictures. This guy I think is in New York he's just collecting photos we'll post this and... Where were you during the opening of the show? Where i actually gave the name of the website Oh! I was in the bathroom oh okay Anyway, I suggested to the guy that he open this up for everybody It's opened?! I can't believe it when I do the PR mentions are you just clipping your nails No, I'm in the bathroom. Oh okay because it's seeandsaygallery.org! I had this whole long rap about it you're hurting me now... oh well

CHAPTER 30 / 37 Discussion

US Ambassador Robert Ford Pelted in Syria

The hosts analyze reports of U.S. Ambassador Robert Ford being pelted with eggs and tomatoes by supporters of President Bashar al-Assad in Damascus. They question whether the Syrian people are actually rejecting U.S. interference. Dvorak notes that The New York Times is using questionable photos of lone protesters to maintain the anti-Syrian narrative.

robert ford· damascus· bashar al-assad· euronews· new york times

1:48:37 I think we've been married too long, honey. You're just making listening noises now. You're not even paying attention to me! Let's talk about Syria back on the radar with a very interesting report from Euronews Who I kind of like they do kind of just spell it out pretty plain and simple and not with too much We know it's no sound effects, and the really slow edits as the ambassador US Ambassador Ford was pelted with eggs and tomatoes in In Damascus And they actually you know when I listen to the report, and I want a have your opinion John so listen please It sounds like

1:49:29 Well, you tell me what you hear. The US has condemned Thursday's attack on a convoy carrying their ambassador whilst he visited opposition members in Syria Robert Ford was in the capital Damascus when a crowd of President Bashar al-Assad supporters threw rocks eggs and tomatoes at the vehicles Earlier he'd had to wait for help from Syrian security though no one was injured and number of embassy cars were damaged The crackdown on pro-democracy protesters continues with Assad blaming the unrest on foreign incitement. The government claims seven soldiers have been killed fighting terrorists in the central town of Rashtan, which has mounted armed resistance after months of peaceful demonstrations. So here's what my takeaway from this report and I want to hear your opinion. Uh the governments there says look there's foreign actors in here that they're causing a big ruckus, they're making us stink it's not us

1:50:21 Then the US comes to talk to the so-called opposition party, which will be a new national transitional committee and The people there say boo. We're throwing eggs And I you only see pictures of eggs and tomatoes no rocks But apparently they threw rocks too So it aren't the people of Syria saying USA get out You are the ones causing this problem or am i misreading this? You know, they're also I still don't see the return to the anti-Syrian memes in The New York Times. They had a picture on the front page of maybe it was today's or yesterday's paper

1:51:03 where they had it said Syrian protester holding you know as this was some person with a mask on like I just wrapped in a you know like a headdress and holding up what looked like a big heart and it's supposedly said something like freedom now or something like that. And, it was one lone person in the middle of the street there was nobody else there! Yeah yeah One lone person. And this to me is the message that there's nothing going on, I think Syria is off the table. Well Lucifer came out...I have a couple of clippity-clop clips from her and this is not the clippity-clop we'll do that in a second unrelated topic

CHAPTER 31 / 37 Discussion

Hillary Clinton Condemns Syrian Intimidation Campaign

Secretary of State Hillary Clinton addresses the attack on Ambassador Robert Ford, calling it an "inexcusable assault" and part of a campaign of intimidation by the Assad regime. She cites the Vienna Convention's requirement for host countries to protect diplomats. The hosts mock her rhetoric and the scripted nature of the press conference.

hillary clinton· vienna convention· syria· intimidation· diplomacy

1:51:43 Well, she's there with the foreign minister of Egypt I believe. And you know that there is about to be a script presented when Jill from CNN wants to ask a question and of course Hillary and Jill are best buddies and they're laughing it up and Jill is scripted to ask a question about Syria. Violations...and just one other question. I represent a lot of journalists. Maybe one is optional? I'm not going to say it. Well, Jill, if I can remember them... Jill the shill! The first one with respect to Ambassador Ford we've raised this ugly unfortunate incident at the highest levels of the Syrian government We are demanding that the Syrian government take all necessary steps to protect our embassy, to protect our diplomats in accordance

1:52:41 with the international obligations that every country must abide by. And this is absolutely required, the Vienna Convention requires that host countries protect property and persons of diplomatic missions and I must say that this inexcusable assault is clearly part of an ongoing campaign of intimidation. Intimidation! aimed at not only American diplomats, but diplomats from other countries, foreign observers who are raising questions about what's going on inside Syria. It reflects an intolerance on the part of the regime and its supporters, and it is deeply regrettable that we have the Assad regime continuing its

1:53:31 campaign of violence against its own people. So I hope that first and foremost, our property are the persons that serve in our mission will be protected along with every other diplomat from every other country but secondly we continue to call for an end to the violence continue to speak out and i think ambassador ford's courage in clarity uh... is uh... you know making the point that uh... united states cannot and will not stand idly by when this kind of violence continues new who then spiking words we can and will not spec hate that bitch by the way some looking at this moon rising site but bull crap okay okay

CHAPTER 32 / 37 Discussion

Obama Jonas Brothers Predator Drone Joke

The hosts revisit a joke made by President Obama at the White House Correspondents' Dinner where he threatened the Jonas Brothers with "Predator drones" if they got ideas about his daughters. They contrast the "humorous" use of the technology with the actual killing of American citizens, noting the "bloodthirsty" reaction from some right-wing commentators.

barack obama· jonas brothers· predator drones· white house correspondents dinner· brian sussman

1:54:26 You don't have to watch it. I like this one, Apollo 17 Earthrise photo was featured on the cover of Life magazine they have this little arrow pointing says it says the earth should be behind the moon surface and they've got a photographic anomaly in fact that only even see them yes thats unbelievable bad so meanwhile Libya just because we've got Anwar al-Aqdari shot by drone Doesn't mean that there isn't stuff going on in the world. By the way, the bloodthirsty right-wingers... We got some guy out here that got on one of the big good national shows named Brian Sussman This guy he said is going on and on about how great it was we killed this guy He says then he heard the story that apparently they missed with the first shot So the guy was running in the desert in fear And then they nailed him and this is just great because he knew he was like you know I don't understand his mentality

1:55:24 Do you remember the president, I should have pulled that clip. Remember he said to the Jonas Brothers? I got two words for you Predator drone No Yeah Don't you remember that What?! Yeah when it was a... Oh i don't remember that! oh my god I can't believe you don't remember that hold on a second Well I don't remember play the clip yeah like like I had the clip on hand hold on a second It was during the um you know that uh the press thing You know what he does every single year Yeah, oh you mean are you talking about the the Correspondence the correspondence did their dinner right so he's doing his humor Exactly it was talking as a humorous as an item of humor. Yeah sick hold on a second Obama Jonas Brothers

1:56:14 Predator drone. Oh, if that doesn't find it... Here it is! I love the interwebs but don't trust anything you find on Google because you know it's probably Jonas Brothers are here They're out there somewhere Sasha and Malia are huge fans But boys don't get any ideas I have two words for ya Predator drones There you go Very funny Obama Yeah, because it turns out he'll actually do it. Two words I'll actually F you up boy So John McCain Lindsey Graham and I forget who the third douchebag is they're all in Libya Why? They're there with PepsiCo What's the business of dealing with them must be some business action going on It's only about business and their what are they getting in on it

CHAPTER 33 / 37 Discussion

John McCain and Lindsey Graham Visit Libya

Senators John McCain and Lindsey Graham visit Libya to meet with the Transitional National Committee (TNC). The hosts argue the visit is primarily about business interests, including oil and companies like PepsiCo. Lindsey Graham is heard comparing the Libyan conflict to the American Revolution of 1776 while advocating for similar action in Syria.

john mccain· lindsey graham· libya· pepsico· oil

1:57:09 Well, remember that these are the guys... He's retiring shortly. These are the guys that were all for the no-fly zone and removing Gaddafi and they were out front and center! They're part of the Defense Committee or whatever it is so why were they out there? Of course, they were the CEOs of PepsiCo, the oil companies and I have to give Shep Smith Studio briefs from it. I got to give him a little props because he slipped in a little funny while he's talking To Lindsey Graham who is a total douchebag? He is actually slamming Lindsey Graham on the air while he's talking to him So they've left Libya now and they had this whole thing They're all hanging out with the TNC which by the way, and the UK has called the NTC they can't even get their branding straight and

1:58:00 So they're hanging out with the transitional national committee members who are saying, oh it's going to be months until we get the government all together. Of course Gaddafi is still fighting in CERT and it's not done yet but no reporting necessary please we don't need to know what's going on because you have Russell Simmons and Wall Street And Chef Smith talks with Lindsey, he's in Malta now. He is out of Libya and Chef Smith did a pretty good job! Well I listened to you speak on there and that sounded all peachy keen and hunky dory but the problem is for 40 years Muammar Gaddafi hasn't allowed anybody to organize so there are no organized groups There's no way to form a government They don't have any idea what freedom is has been will be...I mean..and the not war is still going on in a Not War Way It just sounds like the not war That's pretty good

1:58:48 sort of pie in the sky stuff with an opportunity for people to go in there and make a little money, not much more. Well, you know he described us in 1776. They've got a lot of challenges your dad right their economy is crippled but they've got a lot of oil it's an all rich nation they got 134 billion dollars identified that so that what this is really about right senator well to me it's not it's about having people in a region who align themselves with democratic principles and not bring down Pan Am flight with Americans on I think this is in our national security interest to replace Gaddafi with people who could live in peace with us and we can do business with. I'm a big believer that democracies don't go to war with each other, where you can find people willing to embrace the rule of law and democracy and fight extremists if you are to help them. That sounds right so about time to get over into Syria huh?

1:59:44 Well, Syria is a different problem but that day is coming where the Syrian people... You know they had 25 thousand Libyans killed 60 thousand wounded 3 thousand maimed These are tough people I mean we can't really relate in our lifetime to living In a police state But the folks in Syria keep coming They keep sending in tanks They keep sending in helicopters This idea of charting your own destiny and having a better life for your children Is pretty contagious I hope we'll push Assad out. I hope we'll do more embargoes, arms embargoes and will speak up louder You can't put troops into every place on the planet but you sure can stand up for values like Ronald Reagan did during the Cold War Valid Senator Lindsey Graham in the Malta just after being over there in the not war territory in Libya Senator it's nice to speak with you thank you very much

CHAPTER 34 / 37 Discussion

The New Silk Road and Afghanistan Transition

The hosts identify a new geopolitical meme: "The New Silk Road." They play clips of Susan Rice and Hillary Clinton discussing a regional trade network centered in Afghanistan involving highways, rail, and energy pipelines. They suggest the project is a massive "money grab" designed to benefit industrialists and secure CIA interests in the region.

silk road· uzbekistan· hillary clinton· susan rice· pipelines

2:00:32 I kind of liked it. He's off the reservation! Well, he is one of the 50 most powerful gay men in the universe That's what they say. So i like that kind of not war thing and its all about oil and then for Lindsey Graham well sure hope we get Syria because I got me some buddies here we gotta go on a trip field trip you've gotta go to Syria I hope we get Syria really do just like 1776 What? Idiot what an idiot so I here's my clippity-clop clip, so I am always looking for a clippety-clop clip from Lucifer who has hooves and She walks out through the big double doors And she's walking out with the foreign minister of Uzbekistan the uzbek foreign minister

2:01:18 And by the way, it's the shortest press conference they've ever done. She says something he says something through an interpreter which is where they can write it off Yeah Which I'm not gonna play But well first of all let's just listen to clipety-clock because that's always fun here listen On the rug now and off the road I'm delighted to welcome her. She has hooves, man! It's like the Budweiser wagon company. I'm telling you she's got hooves! Clippity-clop, clippity-clop and here she is. Foreign Minister Ghanian here to Washington we are working well and closely together with Uzbekistan on a number of issues uh this gives us an opportunity to discuss

2:02:06 So that's all she said. And I'm like, why is she hanging out with a dude from Uzbekistan? and I had to search around, and i found it. For me its a new meme maybe something we should have been tracking or maybe I just missed it or whatever but Susan Rice my other favorite woman from the State Department who was the United States Ambassador to The United Nations kind of gave away in The United Nations Council meeting. As we move towards 2014 transition We know that government alone

2:02:47 cannot grow Afghanistan's economy. So we must all continue to work to create an environment that attracts private sector investment Last week, Foreign Minister Rasool German Foreign Minister Westerwelle and Secretary of State Clinton met with 27 of Afghanistan's neighbors and partners To advance their shared vision Of a new Silk Road The New Silk Road is an Afghan-led venture a rallying point for securing Afghan regional and international commitments to support Afghanistan's transition, and develop a sustainable Afghan economy that will benefit the whole region. So this is about the new Silk Road and of course Uzbekistan is an important country bordering on Afghanistan

2:03:42 Perhaps we should go look back into history and understand what the original Silk Road was, and I thought you would be the right guy to ask. Well, you throw this stuff at me out of the blue! The Silk Road... well first of all if you go to China and float around there's a bunch of silk roads more than one but the main one was to move silk from China across to the in I don't know okay I mean I don't know about the Silk Road well you've heard of it haven't you surely you've been on the Silk Road once you can sell trading route is a very famous but there's if you look into it you find that this this is called the silk road that's called the silk road you know. The ancient Silk Road

2:04:32 had Afghanistan at its heart of lucrative trade routes between Asia and the West. The new Silk Road will involve modern highways, rail links and energy pipelines." So this is the new thing? Clinton met with 27 neighbors! Can you even name 27 countries around Afghanistan?! 27? I think it was like four. So the way this works is we go in, we let the CIA guard the poppies so they can sell it and make their money to go drone people, drone American citizens. The army does the work Yeah but the CIA is selling it yeah yeah there's an army protects the the poppies so the CIA can go sell it and drone people because they need money for their drones

2:05:20 And then meanwhile we're building a new Silk Road right through Afghanistan and you know that they were there with all the big industrialists. So this whole thing was... it's why does no one even report a little bit on this? This is not from a news report, this is from the United Nations video feed which has real video! This takes actual work to get it Well, what do you think? Yeah well it's not happening but watch for this meme the new Silk Road to keep popping up. We'll be talking about it more and more and how great it is and this is what's going to end... Why do we need a silk road in a day of aviation?! Oh no no no John I-I do I really have to tell you that? You know that that's just... All aboard trains good planes bad

CHAPTER 35 / 37 Discussion

European High-Speed Rail and UK Train Failures

President Nicolas Sarkozy's visit to Morocco to kick off a French-funded high-speed rail line is discussed. In contrast, the hosts share a story from Ipswich, UK, where a train broke down because it was 70 degrees and the driver had to ask passengers for bottled water to use as engine coolant.

high-speed rail· nicolas sarkozy· morocco· ipswich· coolant

2:06:10 Come on, you know better than to ask that. I'd like to see some trains running through those Afghani mountains yeah well it's gonna happen it's definitely gonna happen what you're saying is that this is just a big money grab waste of money Yeah! Well not waste of money It's going to be good for somebody Not for us President Sarkozy by the way was in Tangier Casablanca To kick off the new high-speed rail line there Which France is paying for with 4.1 billion dollars Well that's a waste of money Someone must think it's good I love this story about trains in Gitmo Nation East The National Express East Anglia train ground to a halt under the baking midday sun outside of Ipswich in Suffolk after coolant levels dropped causing the engine to cut out It was a whopping 70 degrees Passengers

2:07:11 bemused passengers, the report says sitting in these stuffy carriages heard a desperate plea over the Tannoy from the driver for bottled water. So apparently people had to bring their bottled water to put it into the engine as coolant because that great trains in in the United Kingdom crap out at 70 degrees! It was so hot! Unbelievable No believe it just believe it I wish this train thing would end. It's kind of ended in this country, except for California of course we're still moving ahead with a project that will never be finished Well it's still in the Jobs Act, it's in the AJ, in the American Jobs Act Yeah well then we already know thats not going to pass so... Oh some parts of it may you don't know Alright let see do you have anything else? Let me see here

CHAPTER 36 / 37 Discussion

Swine Flu Narcolepsy and Methyl Iodide Ban

The hosts discuss reports from Northern Ireland linking the swine flu vaccine to narcolepsy. They also mock a California politician's "better safe than sorry" justification for banning the pesticide methyl iodide, comparing it to the FAA's baseless ban on laptop use during flights in the early days of computing.

swine flu· narcolepsy· methyl iodide· pesticides· better safe than sorry

2:08:17 I do have the BBC saying that in Northern Ireland they're now also linking the swine flu vaccine to narcolepsy and they're blaming it all on pandremics. Pandemrics, I'm sorry, pandemics. Really? Yeah so that appears to actually there's appears to be some truth to it they can't get around it Well I thought it was an internet rumor! I thought it was bullcrap No no is not apparently it's true But you can't trust the internet for that kind of stuff. You have to ask your teacher if it's okay I have an odd clip, and I don't know quite what to do with it What I know what I'm gonna do is I'm going to clip out this guy's voice And use it in the Clip Show which is where this guy says better safe than sorry It's probably one of the most whimpish sounding men In the world saying better safe than sorry They're trying to ban some fairly safe

2:09:18 actually it's a soil, what kind of a soil conditioner fumigant methyl iodide which has been proven safe and they're trying to replace it. It is an agricultural story they're trying to replace methyl bromide with this stuff because methyl bromides get quite toxic And so there's some guy out of the blue, who is obviously corrupt. He was trying to pass some law but just play this and listen to this guys voice and tell me that he isn't a keeper. Reports the pesticide has caused any illnesses while no grower in Monterey or Santa Cruz County has requested using the pesticide Monning doesn't want to wait until that happens Better safe than sorry let's be methodical lets review the science

2:10:06 So far methyl iodide is approved in all 50 states. Who's that jabroni? So here's a product that hasn't been approved, nobody is using it. Nobody is going to use it as its illegal everywhere but he wants to ban it for some unknown reason and he says better safe than sorry which to me is the classic you know asshole saying better safety... You can say that about anything I mean we were when I was the editor of InfoWorld we used to do in the early days of laptop computers The FAA was banning their use on airplanes under all circumstances. And there's documentation that shows that there was no reason to do this and the common thing, you start asking around about this and the common thing they keep throwing back at ya well yeah there is no evidence they'd do anything but it better be safe than sorry. Better be safe then sorry? I find it highly annoying whenever I hear somebody say that I just get irked

CHAPTER 37 / 37 Discussion

Obama Ethics Class and Speechwriter Jon Lovett

The show concludes with a clip of President Obama admitting he didn't like his 8th-grade ethics class. The hosts discuss Obama's former speechwriter, Jon Lovett, who left the White House to pursue a career as a Hollywood screenwriter. Adam Curry announces he is traveling to Austin before the next show on Thursday.

barack obama· ethics· jon lovett· david axelrod· hollywood

2:11:12 Alright, my last clip is from the president. I could be when i was in high school and certainly not when i was in middle school um... I did not love every class I took I wasn't always paying attention the way I should have uh.. I remember when I was in eighth grade I had to take a class called ethics now ethics is about right and wrong but if you'd ask me what my favorite subject was back in 8th grade it was basketball I don't think Ethics would have made it on the list. No kidding! Don't say... Yeah, every right-wing talk show pulled that one out of the blue Really? See, I don't listen to any of that crap Yeah well i do But it was actually interesting because he goes on for another 10 minutes about what ethics really are or really is and uh.. I kind of pulled a right wing talk show move here on you because if you really listened to the clip and just play that piece its way out of context

2:12:14 Yeah, but still funny. I'm sure it was! It's funny...I agree it is funny But I don't understand where his speech writers are coming from anymore When he was doing speeches early in 2008 they had this superstar kid that was doing all the speeches supposedly Remember this guy? Yeah yeah sure Whatever happened to him?! He's now a writer on Hollywood Something yeah, no. No he's not working there anymore. Yeah, he left to go right for TV shows is this right? Yeah hold on a second what was the guys name it was Obama speech writer He's like Hollywood teen or something as a kid guys in little older now Let me see John love it here It is award-winning comedian and an obama speechwriter

2:13:04 Has is escaping the White House for the glitz and glam of the Inland Empire where he hopes to make a name for himself as A Hollywood screenwriter, what's his name John love it? Yeah J-o-n L O V E TT and It stinks yeah true It's always been a dream of mine to write comedy and be creative, said the 29 year old. So he is 29 now? Is that the same guy? Seems a little old... Yeah probably! He was a wunderkind. Well they blew it by losing him Oh yeah. Lovett has warmed his comedy chops in DC writing roasts for Hillary Clinton early in his career and going into something his former boss David Axelrod called Comedy Overdrive for Obama's White House Correspondents Dinner. Oh he probably wrote The Jonas Brothers joke

2:13:54 Good job late good. Yeah, tasteless yeah alright everybody hey I'm off to Austin tonight always tonight the night yep We're gonna go for a three day actually two days flying back early Wednesday morning very early weather in Texas right now During the day about 90 degrees Sun sunny It's slightly warm with I think you're getting see any storms in LA from that Mexican thing Yeah, the Mexican I had last night is causing storms Hey We will be back again on Thursday right here. Please remember to support the program, we need all the help we can get. In the morning everybody my name is Adam Curry and from northern Silicon Valley John C Dvorak Talked again on Thursday right here On NO Agenda