The King of Beers

00:01 You never can know exactly what to expect because, well quite frankly we have no agenda. And it's time once again for the program It is this week's No Agenda coming to you from the Curry Manor in United Kingdom I'm Adam Curry and i'm John C Dvorak up here in Northern California and we've got a new uh... This is something new for us John little test We reversed the roles for once Yeah, I'm up late. It's like 1 in the morning as we're doing this and You're just uh...I guess you just got up recently yeah, I've been out for a couple hours but it's about 10 past 9 in the morning and They just worked out this way. I think we might as well tell tell the audience right off the bat that We're doing this on what is it today say Thursday?

00:46 Yeah, Thursday. So probably I won't get this out until Friday so it's one day earlier but if you're wondering why some of the topics may be about older news like 24 hours old that's the reason We don't really talk about the news as much as we do about trends Oh that's true okay then let me start right off the bat with a trend which is huge protests in Europe over the price of gasoline and in particular diesel Have you followed this at all? But the diesel thing has fascinated me because even at the, even here. It started about a year ago I noticed this and I used to work as a petroleum chemist so you have to understand these things well i mean i kind of get part of it but there's a baffling aspect to it because this is not a normal situation but about a year ago the price of diesel started sneaking up and it became the same price

00:01 You never can know exactly what to expect because, well quite frankly we have no agenda. And it's time once again for the program It is this week's No Agenda coming to you from the Curry Manor in United Kingdom I'm Adam Curry and i'm John C Dvorak up here in Northern California and we've got a new uh... This is something new for us John little test We reversed the roles for once Yeah, I'm up late. It's like 1 in the morning as we're doing this and You're just uh...I guess you just got up recently yeah, I've been out for a couple hours but it's about 10 past 9 in the morning and They just worked out this way. I think we might as well tell tell the audience right off the bat that We're doing this on what is it today say Thursday?

00:46 Yeah, Thursday. So probably I won't get this out until Friday so it's one day earlier but if you're wondering why some of the topics may be about older news like 24 hours old that's the reason We don't really talk about the news as much as we do about trends Oh that's true okay then let me start right off the bat with a trend which is huge protests in Europe over the price of gasoline and in particular diesel Have you followed this at all? But the diesel thing has fascinated me because even at the, even here. It started about a year ago I noticed this and I used to work as a petroleum chemist so you have to understand these things well i mean i kind of get part of it but there's a baffling aspect to it because this is not a normal situation but about a year ago the price of diesel started sneaking up and it became the same price

01:46 as premium gasoline. Well, I've made a study and at least in Europe i know why it's happening Alright, go. So first of all you have a regular increase just in the raw materials so the price of a barrel of oil is going up but what all these governments have done and there was a big protest in the UK two days ago The French fishermen are protesting they're cutting off the Atlantic or whatever the hell Is that all these governments have put extra tax CO2 emission tax on diesel And it's an extra tax because, and of course I don't think this is true. Because they say well diesel engines you know they spew out much more CO2 which of course is related directly back to this global warming meme that is out there. And I think that...I don't know if that's the same in the States but in Europe that's exactly what happened That's why their price has been driven up so far. I don't know any increased taxes on diesel fuel in the US

02:40 The prices snuck up to the price of premium and then it started creeping above it. And now, its like 10 or 20 cents higher than premium gasoline and it makes absolutely no sense whatsoever in so far as the carbon footprint of diesel Which of course is probably not true. I mean, you get a lot of particulate from diesel fuel more than anything but it tends to be...I don't see that as producing more CO2 to be...I just don't see it. Um..I have to do a little reading and see what the heck's going on because it doesn't make any sense Well what is happening is making everyone's livelihood kind of hard Because when you get an increase like that in your basic

03:25 uh... you need the basics of your business if you're a if your trucker or if u uh... if you need diesel for any other reason than that and that's it that's a really problem that's straight to your bottom line well this past often the customers and so it's a real issue i think they'll let people benefit from this on starting notice this now and this is going to wear two there may be some connection ice-up by the end of the day yesterday as a matter of fact four For the railroads they've been advertising on the radio for a while, but now I'm seeing TV ads Bragging about how much you know they can carry like tons of stuff or a nickel You know and this like I was saying why is it? I've never seen. I have never seen in my life that I can think of

04:10 ads for railway transportation for you know me for products and just I'm watching this going hmm in fact if anything it's only been commercials are for transported people Well, here actually you don't see even that. I guess there's some Amtrak, occasional Amtrak commercials but no this was transporting cars in particular but you could tell what they were getting at. They were talking about how much does it cost per mile to move a ton and its like a lot cheaper than its with the truck So I don't know, there's something screwy going on. I'm sure it'll come out eventually. Well it's interesting that price of diesel though as you say that you don't think has anything to do with carbon emission taxes but Gordon Brown the Prime Minister in the UK is already under severe pressure people are calling for his head almost literally and in yesterdays Financial Times actually

05:04 The labor government here is saying, you know we just made back off of that two pence raise in gas taxes that's coming up in July because the truckers literally blocked off the West End. I mean within almost a hundred miles outside of London traffic was messed up they did a great job Good for them Yeah and finally It was like the French! Exactly finally finally and everyone's behind them You know everyone said because you know everyone else has these their own issue with the price of gas I'm just waiting for this to happen in the States Well, you know that it just hasn't happened. I mean we ever I think everyone's complaining about but I don't think has gotten to the end It is expensive. It's amazing. I feel sorry for the people who bought those diesel cars You know thinking they were gonna save money exactly exactly In fact it may be a ploy to eliminate the possibility of diesel cars becoming successful. No, we need John, you know what? We need Remember this

06:02 Yeah, unfortunately I do. Convoy! So talking about the craziness over there...I'm looking at this entry on the blog that we have here which i put up every adult in Britain should be forced to carry carbon ration cards say MPs. Have you read this story? No no carbon rations what's that yeah this guy is effected one guy particularly one of your Crackpot MPs member of Parliament I'm gonna tell you who it is. We have his picture, but he forgot to put his name up I don't want to surf today because the bandwidth is little no I'm gonna I'm gonna tell you who it is It's a Timmy yo even though he sounds like a Chinese guy's white MPS led by Tory Tim me oh why do you know conservative so? He's uh he's in the opposition

06:56 Say the scheme should be more effective at cutting greenhouse gas emissions than green taxes. You know, I'm tired of this man governments all over the world are using this co2 Emissions thing to tax the living daylights out of everything It's just an excuse they've jumped on the bandwagon when they somebody came up with the idea Hey We can now attack people and then of course at the end of this article is let me read you that how the scheme would work if I'm gonna list off the crap. Every adult in the UK would be given an annual carbon dioxide allowance, kilograms and a special carbon card. The scheme would cover road fuel flights and energy bills. Every time someone paid for road fuel flights or energy their carbon account would be docked

07:43 A liter of petrol would use up to 2.3 kilograms in carbon, while every 1.3 miles of airline flight would use another one kilogram. By the way you'd be paying a lot for your little private plane. When paying for petrol... There's only three more of these. When paying for petrol the card would need to be swiped at the till it would be illegal offense to buy petrol without using a card When paying, you think they were against it, which is like for rationing during World War II. When paying online or by direct debit the carbon account would be debited directly and anyone who doesn't use up their credit... This is the kicker here! Anyone who doesn't use up their credits in a year can sell them to someone who wants more credits. Trading would be done through specialist companies

08:31 You know what this is? I think this is two things. First of all, no it's three things first of all It's fucking stupid excuse my language because there's just not enough proof that- This is part of the Al Gore scheme Exactly! He runs one of these companies that trades carbon credits It's a crack of crap. It's a scam, it's like trying to create a new investment market or something so you can make money on trading carbon credits and I think it is also an underhand way of... there is another big debate going on here about the national ID card which, you know... I don't think the public wants it. Labor has been trying to bring that in so that basically all of your information is on a card so it just starts with carbon emissions and then you can attach anything to that card that you swipe through That's just a matter of adding another database to it It's unbelievable So anyway this thing is getting out of control

09:26 I mean it's not doing anything to stop anything and now you know there is a who is going to set these limits. It just the whole thing has become, they are completely blowing any possibility that we could actually cut emissions at all by just being jerks." I can see what happening if you go to public restroom and swipe your card because of course if you're doing number two well you know thats gonna be a couple of carbon credits there because you're emitting CO2 in a big way. I think every cow is going to have to have a barcode oh man, that's a trend i'm not liking

10:04 Somebody, I'm looking at the blog and somebody named Grimbo has a comment. Got a bunch of comments on this posting He says he's obviously in the UK or Europe He says isn't there anything happening in the USA worth writing about because you know... Tired of it We haven't gotten to this corny thing yet. I'm just trying to stave it off Yeah really Here is a book that I want to read man. I am sure you have heard about Scott McClellan's book Yeah, there's a lot of controversy. All the right-wing talk show guys are all worked up about this. Tell me about it. Let's just explain to the listeners maybe not everyone knows Scott McClellan was the

10:45 the White House Press Secretary, I believe? Yeah. He was the first one and he was the most nervous looking one up there and he was always like you know... Sweaty lip guy that's what I always called him. So it comes out with this tell-all I mean what is something fishy about this He's making money, first of all he made money telling the lies now he is making money telling the truth I guess. I don't know how other way to look at it. Explain to people what the book is about? So the book is about his tenure as press secretary between 2003-2006 and in particular he talks about

11:24 I haven't read the book, obviously. About how Condoleezza Rice is kind of like the Teflon dame Everything just glides right off her She deflects things to other people The importance of Rove How Dick Cheney is pulling on the strings behind the screens And then in particular how the Bush administration lied To the American public to get into Iraq Paraphrasing, of course, haven't read the book But that's what it is Yeah, that's what everybody says it is and Everybody is upset about the fact that this guy not because he's telling the truth But it's like where were you? You know when you needed to be telling the truth. I mean why would you be such a Stooge That you would you know go along with the program for such a long time And then because you need some money doing a book now you're doing this well I would say there's one other reason to do this I'd say the other reason is protection

12:16 You know, to protect himself. To go public with it. Protect himself from what? From getting killed! By who?! By evil forces you know... Yeah I mean no one wants this information out there and if everyone knows that he's kind of on the fence or whatever you know it could be one of these oops-he committed suicide type things Oh brother well I think thats a bit much I don't know man, look what's the difference between often one guy who might want to tell the truth about the lies about getting us into Iraq and actually lying and getting us into Iraq? Which one is worse? Well all I know is that no one has been killed yet. Well hold on there was... remember this kind of died in the press remember the guy this was in the UK wasn't it in the UK the scientist who actually

13:10 Oh, what was it? Crap. Right that scientist who had some something to say about the fact that the report was a crock of crap and they ended up dead in a field or something while hiking or some crazy thing like that One of those I don't think that just died i mean they harped on that thing as some sort of a screwy situation for months on end, didn't they? And then it just died. And then it just went away. Yeah because people get sick of listening to this stuff I mean there's a bunch of connections to you know like coincidental connections between Clinton and a bunch of...I mean there was a whole website devoted to crazy people that had died because of Foster that had died during the Clinton administration with implications that he was or had somebody killing him Right, that were the Whitewater stuff wasn't it

13:53 Yeah, a lot of that. I believe that happens. I believe in that kind of cloak and dagger stuff. I think it absolutely happens I think it's funny that you would say that. Not because maybe it does happen or doesn't happen, but because of the fact that when I mentioned that I thought it was a scam... ...that Marie Osmond fell to the deck on national TV as a publicity stunt You were completely no! That couldn't possibly be the case May I point out that I changed my position on that later after I thought about it? Yeah, no I did. you're normally kind of conservative with these kinds of thoughts and I've never heard you come off the wall with some of these. You wrote the book to protect himself from being killed! Well, there's quite a jump-jump between writing a book and not getting killed... By the way if it was a mob deal? If it was a mob deal, then you write that book, then you will be killed. Yeah well at least he got it out then yeah but Marie Osmond I saw her faint and I thought it looked pretty realistic no but I retracted. Except for the back of the hand

14:59 to the top of the forehead and it and the twisting fall You know, they were on Jonathan Ross which is our big weekly Friday night talk show here in the UK. Like seven of the Osmonds so it was and there's like two a million Osmonds of course but you have Donny Jimmy and Marie and then you have the three older guys and those brothers are like in their mid-60s and they're on tour now and they're selling out everywhere Oh God, yeah. In England? They're touring England? They did one small gig and now they are doing the O2 Arena and now they've set up a world tour it's pandemonium! It's selling out! The O2 arena for crazy horses but think about it you have Donny...they had a lot of hits John you can laugh about them but Donnie & Marie had massive hits and of course there is the one... Name One

15:57 Oh, okay. Donny Osmond, Puppy Love... Put Your Head on My Shoulder which of course Paul Anka classic. Donnie and Marie had several I can't name those off the top of my head but then- No you got one Puppy Love The big one here in the UK which was never hit in the States I don't think was Jimmy Osmond who had this song called I'll Be Your Long Haired Lover from Liverpool No, I've never heard of it. And he was number one all over Europe but particularly in the UK for months on end and you know so all these...and he was 13 at the time So his audience is now my age and there's nostalgia! You know these chicks love it

16:35 Oh brother. I'm telling you, I'll be your long-haired lover from Liverpool! You know i don't mind you know...I think there's something cool about seeing an old act and I went to see when they had the Venetian room here in San Francisco Francisco until recently. I would, myself and my wife and sometimes one of our kids we'd go to see these classic acts because it was a small venue it was a little expensive but it was worth going too so I got the see Lou Roll in a small venue. I got to see James Brown in the small venue and actually went up to see Cab Calloway, uh, wow! In the same room with his band it was actually... Is he still alive? No no he's dead now but he was alive then. Yeah. In fact we actually had drinks with him afterwards curiously enough gave me his tips on horse race betting and also cooking corn for barbecue anyway. Here is Cab Calloways Cobb recipe

17:36 No, there you have it. So uh but anyway the point is I don't mind that kind of a situation i mean It seems like a logical thing to do if you want to see Hold on a second John. I think I just lost you there are you there? Am I there? You're back, okay. There's been some problems with Skype over the past couple of days and i don't think it is just my bandwidth. I think that there is some kind of problem going on particularly if you talk really loudly not because you have a compressor and limiter set up but it seems to drop out. I've been seeing this alot. I haven't noticed it over here but I don't use it that much

18:17 It makes sense to me that you would go see some of these acts if you have an opportunity, especially if you get the same close up. But they're going to a big giant venue to listen to the Osmonds do nostalgia doing this dinosaur act from 25 years ago doesn't make any sense at all to me. Okay it's actually 30 years ago maybe even 35 but I will say the culture in the United Kingdom of big concerts and festivals is huge. So it's, you know... And it's almost like a football match and they all go there and they all sing the songs together and they drink beer which of course makes it worse. No! Please? Now you're just being cranky. No I'm just saying this that I don't want to go out with a bunch old drunks listening to some black from 35. 40 years old is not old. Give me a break. Forty is not old

19:08 Oh man. So the drunks in the audience probably are, it's unbelievable. Yeah I don't know it just doesn't sound right. If it makes people happy then its right John come on we need some happiness. Oh god what a cornball you've become. Once and awhile look I can bitch about carbon credits but I do love Jimmy Osmond I'm sorry So what else weird is going on over there? We have Sharon Stone over here telling the Chinese that there's bad karma. That's the reason they had their earthquake, which cracks me up. Oh really? What an idiot!

19:49 She's a total idiot. Bad karma? Is that what she said, where did she say this? Yeah she made a big stink about it! She says...she was at some event where she was actually talking to a Chinese delegation in public and made a big stink about his bad karma when you do bad things bad things happen to you like she's some sort of like a 12 year old speaking of drunks God really that's pretty messed up I'm trying to think. Well, there is a European Parliament thing that they're getting into now... There's discussions about

20:26 banning import into Europe of products that are a derivative of child labor. And so there's several countries that are saying, you know yeah we think we should warn them but we don't actually think we should stop the import of these products So there is something weird going on there which I'm sure is China related probably India related who knows maybe they're all brick countries That's going on in the European Parliament. Well, there was a new... I started watching Newsnight which i recommend to Americans if they get BBC America it comes on Friday nights and as I think they repeated on Sunday. Great show! It's from BBC 2 and so I quoted something from it on a blog and somebody I don't know I guess we're talking about something on no agenda and somebody sent me an email saying hey you know you shouldn't note that this is the most reputable show on the British air

21:16 And so I started watching it, and it's actually quite good. It's like a jazzed up or dramatized 60 Minutes is actually better in many ways but they had a thing on either last week or the week before that was emphatic... They took these people and these women that were fashion oriented British girls that didn't think much about wearing something once and throwing it away and took them to China Oh, and showed them how the shit was made huh? Well they made him work there. it was part of the job, they had to do some of these things. They had to do some sewing and all of them came back they were so amazingly disillusioned with the whole situation that it was actually quite entertaining to watch. That's a good thing and quite topical because at this very moment you know what the number one movie is going to be this weekend if isn't already in the states? It's going to be Sex In The City which of course is filled with nothing but

22:18 Brand name overpriced shoes handbags and clothing. I hope it's not number one Oh, it's it's gonna be box office bonanza this is this is the equivalent of For guys you know that like Debbie does Dallas in the 2008 version would be released in theaters You know that we love porn most guys love porn This is female porn that's plain and simple have you I don't know about your wife My wife has certainly She likes the porn, but she can't stand paying the prices for it. But in general I think...I see women who absolutely worship Blahnik whatever the...what the hell is name of those shoes? Milano, Mahalo... They worship these shoes! It's like $400 shoes which are two slabs of leather with a stick

23:14 Yeah, it's crazy. You know luckily my wife is not a shoe nut. How about handbags? That's another one that is just crazy! handbags, well there's actually websites dedicated to the handbags. Yeah you know you're right Sex and the City will have tons of that stuff but the thing is it's like such a chick flick from the get-go that its almost like a parody itself right from the beginning I don't even know if I'd watch it I'm definitely not gonna go see it but I don't know if I would even bother watching on DVD because you know I watched this series on and off and was kind of interesting because it was structured similarly to the Seinfeld show, where they had got themselves into these kind of weird situations that were kind of amusing. And it was well-written and it was... But again I think the parody of it

24:03 done on the Simpsons where one of the people in The Simpsons said, oh you mean that show where there was those four women sitting around the table acting like gay men? Well it's written by gay men. I don't know about the movie but the show is written by...I think the writers are gay men Okay, well that makes sense then. Makes sense doesn't it? Yeah So my daughter wanted to go last night so that was a Wednesday night It was sold out I do have a theory though why there's very little criticism of this And it's kind of the Obama theory. I think that because Carrie, whatever her name is... Her character is Carrie, Sarah Jessica Parker. I believe because she is living the dream of many journalists. Living your life writing about for a newspaper like The New York Times being kind of celebrated journalist. I have feeling that for some reason... Blogger! It's called a blogger

25:02 Yeah, so maybe that's why there is no criticism. I think people envy that type of lifestyle. I don't know... There is something with it. You know what? Commercially speaking great freaking idea! Congratulations power to you guys Whatever. I actually doubt that I'll even bother to watch it It's just guys I would I just need to know what the ending is and I'm done well look I think most of mr. Big get killed or cares all right no, I'd like to know because it wraps it up tonight at least I can have if I don't to deal with it okay so we'll get a spoiler out there but For the for the men listening to this show without a doubt is a guaranteed you'll get laid chick flick I'm not sure that Well let's do a poll

25:51 Okay, well yeah well I just not sure that's a get laid chick flick like I think if you take your girlfriend to this movie You're getting laid all right. Let's do it a test anybody out there listens to this show Email Adam with the results of the test. Yes I'll put up one of those Google Docs spreadsheets and no cheating We're gonna come and check on you No cheating none of this, you know get her drunk And then get like yeah You know no it has to be go to the movie and then your next thing you know? You're just having more sex than you could imagine okay, and I think it only counts if it's like somebody who hasn't had sex with a person before

26:35 Okay, well now you're putting all kinds of parameters and I think it's much. No okay Let's know let's make it any sort of sex, but I want to hear the details okay in other words is that your wife You know or is it someone else's? Somebody else's wife isn't somebody you have sex with every night anyway no Now you put too many parameters in for this now I just want to know that do you know you just say yes And no things not gonna work for me okay? I just don't think it's effective I think that whole thing's a myth I mean in the olden days when i was a kid, you know used to go to the drive-in theater and you could watch these movies that were supposedly get some action is real scary films. Not somebody that bring not a movie that brings the male two tears because it's got no tearjerker elements that are designed to make anyone who watches it cry which is like this pathetic

27:35 You know, I mean come on. Well look how many people got laid after watching Schindler's List? Okay you know it's like...I think you've got more chance with sex in the city that's what i'm just saying well yeah well maybe hey this is here's one for your John someone sent me you know I've been using this drop dot IO I know I showed it to have actually started using that No, I've looked. I've been watching it though Okay so there's still an alpha these guys gave me like because i was out of my one gig or whatever within a week and they gave me 20 gigs And people have just been stacking stuff up But there is this link to a YouTube clip It's Mary Kaptur She's a representative Democratic Representative from Ohio Its about 7 minutes

28:17 And in it she even holds up charts, she's talking about this super NAFTA thing which has been kind of rumored about for a while. Where apparently the Bush administration is quietly... You know about the highway? Yeah the highway yeah She showed that highway we blogged about that highway over a year ago That's NASCO you have to look it up It's like NASCO Highway or NASCO something dot to find the information. If you look it up on the blog, if you type in NASCO I think you'd find it there but we have the maps and all of the rest of it is not even a secret but the thing that's really cool is this video that floating around YouTube where they Manitoba

28:56 uh... guy who runs a manitoba and what they what is the governor i'm not sure but anyway he was talking about in great detail and then meanwhile there are scoring eating lou dobbs because he calls it the nafta highway when its really i think you just referring to in a generic sense instead of nasco the North American Super Corridor, or whatever it is organization. And this is not a secret by any means but the fact that they're trying to pretend that it is ridiculous and we've been documenting this thing for over a year I'm sure of it has been in effect the whole project's been going on for 15 years. So the recent developments and what kind came down too is that Ford is opening up a huge plant in Mexico

29:43 So, you know a lot of jobs are going to be...are going in Mexico and then there's these Mexican...I can't remember his name. Mexican billionaire who owns the like the Chicago Skyway which is part of this super highway project. There's another I'm looking at the map, but I don't see it going through Chicago. But anyway go ahead. It was one branch... you have to see the video and I'm sure Bubba will put a link to it in the show notes. It was just interesting because of how she brought it up. She had some really good points I thought. kind of hasn't really been admitted to or discussed.

30:36 I have to resuscitate me a while ago, because it's actually giving me an elaborate piece on how the powers that be are trying to ruin Lou Dobbs. Because he has... He is just not toeing the line and anyway so there is this... The Manitoba guy goes on about how what they're setting up is a port a seaport, essentially in Manitoba that has pre-clearances for the actual docking of the ships which will be in Mexico. And then they get cleared down there and then they're precleared and then go up this super corridor and then they get dropped off in Canada as though they were coming off of a ship. Oh okay I get it! If you start really looking into it this has a lot to do with the fact that Seattle

31:27 Oakland and Long Beach harbors that take in most of the stuff from China are gonna either start charging too much or they can get a better deal by dropping the stuff off down in Mexico on these super tankers. And lot of them cant take some of these bigger boats, I mean there's some huge ships being manufactured now that are so monstrous it is unbelievable And so this is part of that too, because you can save money if you go to Mexico. To one their ports. So let me answer your question outside of perhaps 40-50 thousand jobs being eliminated in the US and moving down to Mexico Is there anything bad about this idea?

32:12 Well, there's a couple... well depending on what you think is bad or what do you think is one. Bypassing I mean for one thing it's kind of weird that the uh... You have to drop stuff off in Mexico to get it to Canada when they have ports up in Vancouver which they could take the stuff but apparently you know there's taxes or who knows. Taxes, maybe quicker routes? There could be a number of reasons but I still don't see why that's necessarily bad if we're part of it and were making money from it. I don't know that were making any money from it except for the taxes on this big highway is going to go up and down its also gonna... You know.. It just have this... Its almost like having an easement

32:57 is the way I see it. And if you have some property and for some reason or another somebody wants to get to some other property behind your property, and they decide that they want a two lane road right through your property to get there in easement as it would be called here, it's annoying! It's like now all of sudden your properties cut in half So, why are we volunteering for this? And why don't we... I dunno. There's a lot of issues that need to be discussed more but it is not being discussed at all so We don't have any good arguments one way or the other One, you know having a bunch of Mexican trucks going up and down this road bringing in illegals could be drug trafficking problem

33:40 There's a job loss thing and why you know the Canadians used to have car plants up there Why are we making cars in Mexico to ship into Canada? I mean just okay great. I guess it makes them cheaper There's a lot of job loss issues. I don't know It's really all about China is really not that much to do with Mexico and the billionaires down there it's about China finding a cheap way to bring their cheap stuff over even cheaper through the mean through, Mexico Yeah, for Canada that is. Not for us I mean there's no benefit to us that i can see we just lose a bunch of business on some of our ports and the uh... which is routing everything in an awkward way to Canada which somehow is cheaper according to the way they do the numbers. I don't know it's weird

34:24 But the thing that's weirder about it is the fact that there's so much kind of, oh you want to talk about us? Cover our ears. Blah blah blah I can't hear ya! Can't hear ya! You know what kinda thing and its like somebody like Lou Dobbs brings it up and they calls it the NAFTA highway or whatever he calls it And then they just jump all over him and people... It's interesting to read the criticism There is no such thing as a NAFTA superhighway. There is no NAFTA corridor there he's full of crap, He's a liar! Who saying that? It's like you use their different term than the real term NASCO. Oh so that's why they're debunking it Or that's what they're using as a debunk, is saying there's nothing called that. Right! They're saying he's full of crap, he doesn't know what he's talking about... He's a liar and it's like really weird in this... And the weird thing is mostly left-wing media people that are doing this not even the Republicans I mean if that's the strangest thing about it It's like you'd expect exactly the opposite

35:21 Yeah, I know. It's like Media Matters and people like that who are all really pretty much left of center by a lot that are all over this thing And it's just like okay? I don't know there's something screwy going on is all I know it's like somebody sent out the word And then you have like hit pieces that have come out in both the Washington Post and there's this writer, Joe Klein who has come out with some negative piece. It almost looks like it was planted and just a hit dobs with this kind of information or with this criticism and linking to all the other people that were criticizing. A lot of it started with an article in Salon Magazine, the online salon. And they had a kind of academic nasty piece. It's really just like it all happened at once as though somebody said okay let's get him!

36:14 Which is probably exactly what happened. Yeah, I know that's what i'm thinking I have a thing that I like to do and I think people should All do this you have to assume and the funny thing was I mentioned this to you before And I think I talked about on the show but a friend of mine Well keep her name out of it for the moment Mentioned to me that she was You know offered a job with one of the major intelligence agencies when she got out of college and her job was to be To uh work at a newspaper and they'd get her, you know good position and she moved up the ladder over the years. And every so often she would be asked to drop in a piece of disinformation or a phony story or something

36:56 Not often, but once in a while. Well that's what the CIA does they have it That's that's one of the main things their agents do is and I am reasonably reliably informed Is that you know they put people in? They give them a front so you get like maybe it could even be a PR agency as an example And you're in a country and your working as PR or you may be a journalist And you're essentially on the payroll and your meant to influence the press Right, well usually you don't think the press itself is part of this. By the way and I think, I mentioned to my wife that we should start like some sort of a... This will really get everybody worked up by the way start some sort of a movement where members of the press need to take lie detector tests. To assure the public that they're not working for an intelligence agency. You know what, and we could do that with Jerry Springer with that new show of his to tell the truth! That's a perfect combination We put him on that okay? Do you work for an intelligence agency well they'd be like it would be funny

37:53 Anyway, so I even just to say to a journalist will you submit to a lie detector test could be quite telling what their answer is Oh, they go crazy. But anyway the point is that one of the things I like to do is try to figure out and I have my little lists of guys that I suspect are working for an intelligence agency based on the kind of articles they write and what they put out but one of the things you can do is reverse engineer a lot of this in one specific way is that book confessions of an economic hit man which i don't think went over well with you know anybody that was involved in the whole shit i love the book

38:33 Well, what you want to do is you want to look at everyone... You want to look at all the reviews of the book and find people who criticized it. Right yeah good point And then you find out what they said in their critique and then now that gives you a kind of top list that you can now check these people on What you do is you look at each one of their records in terms of what else have they written about? And you can quickly see which of the group and its not all of them but there's a good number of em are obviously working for an intelligence agency because they're putting out this kind of weird propaganda every so often and it's, and they do it consistently. And there are people that you should know who they are and you have to make your own lists and you should take what they say with a grain of salt or you could even go further and you should read what they write to see what the official line is

39:25 Because you can kind of, you can kinda determine it. You kinda reverse engineer it by just reading them So you've done this work and have a list I do all the time, I mean constantly when I'm suspicious of somebody else I'll do this because as a writer myself I don't mind putting out the party line when in agreement with it or when I think it's a good thing without being told, which is typically what everybody does. If you're working for a magazine and you're a writer for Time Life, you don't go writing negative pieces about your own company, for example.

40:03 pretty typical and that's why you don't see, you know pieces on television like one of the networks like on ABC for example that go into Disney hiring practices. It's just never gonna happen. You're not gonna see it on that network and you won't see it on other networks either because these are all run by giant corporations And if you're at NBC, which is owned by General Electric and you do a hit piece on Disney hiring practices they're gonna do a hit piece on you. It's a gentleman's agreement nobody does it so the corporations have taken over the media and no we hear nothing So I had this in smaller version of MTV is like You could not say anything critical bad or even make off color joke about any artist whatsoever

40:51 The only people who were allowed to do that were comedians. That's what interesting about the Lou Dobbs thing, it is actually his own company coming after him and when you see that then you get really suspicious. And that would be GE? No, no that's CNN Time Life. Oh time Warner. Time Warner I'm sorry Time Warner Time Life living in the past he had time warner they own CNN and one of the pieces i saw against him was in time so when i came to MTV so it was 1986-87 and I hadn't even gone on the air yet. This was sort of the first week, you know staying in a hotel supposed to go on Halloween is when i did my first appearance on MTV and so that...and I had no idea..I was very young for 22 or whatever but also very very green in this type of corporate US environment And they set me up with interview with TV Guide

41:44 which of course at the time was the largest publication. You can't do much better than to have a full page, even though it's small but a full page in TV Guide and the reporter was asking me questions And so I have you ever met Madonna's yeah, I've been her a couple times You know back in the early 80s and we did hash under a glass. I didn't say that but I'm telling the no agenda audience What do you think of it? Well, I didn't really like her, you know, I didn't think she was really nice She wasn't a very nice person boy Did the shit hit death over that one? And the press department hated me from that day on because I had ruined it. I had ruined their relationship with Madonna and now she may never perform on the Video Music Awards again, damnit! Yeah well that's the way it is Well you know the infamous Michael Jackson thing right?

42:36 No. So he was supposed to appear on the Video Music Awards in his big heyday and we were doing it as typically do a promotion around that so we had, the deal was we would debut his new video also get the exclusive if we did a Michael Jackson weekend and MTV is taped some programs are live but most of them are taped so what you do is on Thursday you tap for Saturday and Sunday, and on Friday you tape for Monday. So on Thursday we did what we call a 48's that meant a long day And we did this whole weekend it was the Michael Jackson weekend We all had to come back Friday and retape the entire weekend because... ...We did not specify as was agreed too with the Michael Jackson organization Every single time you said Michael Jackson it had to be followed by the words The King of Pop

43:25 That's hilarious. It was disgusting, so we all had to come back and we had to re-tape every single segment and when it was Michael Jackson the king of pop it was obligated by contract Who agreed with that idiocy? Probably Abby Conowich who later went on to run Maverick Records for Madonna or maybe Judah McGrath you know who knows a whole buncha people but thats how it worked MTV was totally the record companies bitch So meanwhile, that reminds me of when I was doing Silicon Spin a decade ago. We were gonna get Richard Stallman on. The open source dude? Open, no free software basically guy. Free software yeah yeah. So he would, and who I've known, I know the guy man, I've run into him a lot, chat with him, he's interesting and woulda been a good guest because he has things to say that are unique but he wouldn't do the show unless

44:21 Anytime we referred to Linux, we had to say GNU Linux. So he couldn't say Linux or anything like that it had to be GNU Linux and he wouldn't do the show unless we agreed to that. And I told him screw himself! Richard Stallman the king of GNU. He did write Emacs didn't he? Didn't he write Emacs? I don't know what he wrote anymore...I mean he's mostly just a guy who complains a lot I like him though. You need people like that. He's the one responsible for most of the newest aspects of the general public license and its onerous characteristics But still you need guys like that in every industry, you need colorful people like that it's important Well ya know i'm surprised he is so picky about like... Ya don't see him doing a lot of TV or anything because he has all these requirements! He's like a diva! He's somebody who thinks they're a Hollywood star and can make all these demands I'm surprised he isn't asking for special kinds of bottled water

45:20 And maybe he is. Maybe he is, we never got that far. Just sticking with the internet for a second this story pops up from time to time and just now some numbers were put to it I have no idea if its true comes from the register you know your buddies over here which I must say that I have in pretty high regard That now the European Commission is pushing very hard to switch at least 25% of the IP blocks that they either have indirect or direct control over to ipv6 because and here it comes They're saying that only 16 percent of the total Ipv4 numbers remain available. That seems pretty low

46:07 Did I lose you, John? No. I'm trying to think about this because my understanding was they were running out of IP4 numbers like a decade ago and then when they came up with this idea of rotating numbers... In other words, you go into one of the services and if you don't have a number, you get one so you get assigned numbers as they're needed That kind of staved off the problem with IP4 and limited number of numbers which you can figure out by just looking at an IP address. It's like, what? I don't know... Anyway the uh... Well it's actually not even an IP address isn't it the MAC addresses? Isn't that one level lower than IP addresses? No no I think its the IP address is the problem What is this 7324242 So you have like 1 2 You got I guess there's 100 million possible Something like that 4.3 billion total IPv4 numbers remain available

47:03 16% of the 4.3 billion total. Yeah, that's probably right So Vivian Redding is the EU's combative commissioner for information and society which boy I want that business card She says, in the short term businesses and public authorities might be tempted to try to squeeze their needs into the straight jacket of the old system. But this would mean Europe is badly placed to take advantage of the latest internet technology and could face a crisis when the old system runs out of addresses." You know what? This smells like bullshit to me. It smells like it to me too! When you got a bullshit title like combative commissioner for information society either she's poorly informed or there some lobby behind it

47:47 Oh, there's gotta be some something behind it. Yeah! Cisco! Come on, Cisco money and all the rest of these guys. I mean where are they gonna go? Everyone's got their routers and everything else and now they gotta go to IP6 you'd have to equip everything it would be worse than Y2K in terms of dropping all this money into the system so yeah It's gotta be a router company or all of them The growth of the internet in China and India is pressing the need to switch Has to be done by 2010. I'll look into it, you're probably right It doesn't have to be done but why does it have to be? What's the rush? Well because we're running out! How many percentage were left? 16%

48:37 16%, okay, so let's see. The internet has been really inactive since about 1995 even though it goes before that but with the web and all I think 1995 would be a good jumping off point. So we're talking about in 23 years? It's chewed up like 80% of the numbers in 23 years how many is that percentage on a year to year basis why would this thing all of sudden chew up 16% in the next year When it's only chewed up 80% in 23 years. Does that make sense to anybody? No Sounds like a scam Cisco, I think you're right. I'll look into that It's just stuff that I know is just another trend

49:25 So 100 nations have reached an agreement on a treaty which would ban the current designs of cluster bombs. You know this thing, this kills me! This is all over the news in Europe and everyone's so proud you know it's like we've done a good thing here I'm like... Cluster bomb? What the hell is that?! We've got enough bombs and shit to nuke out the whole world And now were all patting ourselves on the back because these inhumane bombs have been banned what the hell is that Have they banned landmines? No, of course not. Have they banned any other kind... Cluster bombs! All evening last night on the news here you see cluster bombs going off and it looks like reverse firecrackers right you know like reverse fireworks it drops and then you see boom-boom all these little explosions within the area where the bomblets yeah bomblets yeah

50:20 to hell, yeah good start. I'm looking at the BBC they got like pictures of how the cluster bomb works and... Why is that such a big deal? I don't get it. It's Cluster Bomb Week! That's right hey everybody it's cluster bomb week congratulations you get 35% off your milk in the supermarket at cluster bomb week oh you're right let's ban the landmines that would be a better star than cluster bombs land mines are killing children worldwide Yeah, once they're planted nobody you know these you know at least these things when they go off You dead or your nod. It's not like five years later by accident you step on one whatever the case is Britain's accused of cluster bombs Britain bans dumb cluster bombs We can only have a smart kind Tackling Tajikistan's cluster bombs Hezbollah denies cluster bomb use it's a lot of cluster bombs in the news

51:18 I wonder why. When i start seeing a flurry of one story, uh... I point this out when you do tech five by the way. Yes, you know you do it all the time which is at techfive.mevo.com and i have learned Here's how it works, and you know I'm doing this radio stuff over in the Netherlands. It is a very small country, very small community but it has really made me... First of all it has made me really sharp because I am talking early every morning and taking a lot what I have learned on this show and on Daily Source Code, dailysourcecode.com And I'm applying that to a whole... Thank You! I've learned that from you John. Good work! Ah yes Grasshopper, it is time to snatch the pebbles from my hand

52:00 I'm applying this to these formats and what i'm seeing is that here's how it basically works. The journalists of all the newspapers, what they do and by the way RSS has been fantastic in this regard They subscribe or they visit the European Union website In this case would be like the Dutch the Dutch government website and they have all these huge commitments to publish everything. So, everything you can imagine is online and at the EU website everything is online in 26 different languages And so these reports come out or initiatives and then what happens is journalists will pick it up that's their primary news source

52:47 and make an abstraction of whatever the story is. And that, of course gets copied by other things down the line before you know then it's the evening news but all kind of stems from this stuff that is coming out on websites at the governmental level. Then its just copy paste as far as I'm concerned so...I think that thats the way to flow these days every single thing you see like these cluster bombs a guarantee let me go to EU website I guarantee there's some initiative some committee that you know came out with a report or something like that and then all of the sudden it's top of the news. While your doing that I want to bring up another story which came out, which i kind of ended tech 5 with the other day even though I didn't go into any details Which seems to be another hot story monkeys brain controls robot arm

53:37 Monkeys have been able to control robotic limbs using only their thoughts, scientists report. Well yeah of course and I'm sure we could do the same! Well we can how do you think you move your hand now? Oh yeah... But this is a little more elaborate than that. I don't know they got the probe there's a probe in his brain or something it's like something disgusting about these stories Okay, it's Europa.eu by the way if you want to go to the European Union website. Europa.eu? Yeah and then I just did a search on cluster bombs

54:25 or cluster bomb. 41 matched, let's see commissions conflict prevention policy case study UXO... Look at all the languages they have to put on this menu! Yeah it's a lot isn't it? Well you know it's the EU dude. Line actions I don't see anything off that... This is a dull site looks like it was done in like the late 90s well yeah that's when they started The EU's been around for a while, John. Yeah but they could upgrade the site I mean it looks like something from...I've seen better sites in local...actually this looks like something you'd find in a small Iowa town with a crate Oh shit! Hold on Go to the EU is fun Well I got one that says Europe is fun Is that the one? Then you get little sound effect plays A set of brand new games on the Euro What the hell was that

55:26 If you have one... The Euro Kids Corner. Yeah, you're hearing all the sounds now Oh please oh stop You're killing me It's terrible yeah if you have one yellow one orange and one blue euro note how many euros do you have? I don't know A yellow note is 50 and what was the other one? An orange Wait a minute Orange?! And a blue Well shit let me take a look I've got uh What do i have here I got some euros So blue is 20 Orange is 50. What's the yellow? Red is 10. What's yellow? The yellow must be a thousand or something No, there's no I don't think there's only a 500 note by the way you can't spend anything over 50 euros in a shop anymore Why because of counterfeit their shops will not accept 100 euro notes or the five hundred for that matter

56:21 Really? I thought those things were impossible to counterfeit. They're pretty elaborate Oh, you'd be amazed This is new money You know there's a lot of counterfeiting going on New money is always subject to all kinds of counterfeit shit Well, I can't find anything about cluster bombs right off the bat unfortunately But I'm sure there's something there It just... it's just two cluster bombs Well, maybe the BBC is behind it all. No no because I'm seeing the same thing in Holland Germany Belgium Belgium by the way you probably caught that The Belgian... where the hell is it? Did we blog about that woman? No not about that one That crazy terrorist promoting women in Belgium We have a blog entry on her

57:15 And it's like the Belgians, and then the Belgians are suing. The Belgians are nuts! They're suing Google that's what I want to know. They're suing Google because they're getting unwanted links. You know people are going to their websites because of Google and they don't want that they don't want anyone showing up apparently why are they even on the internet? I complained about this bitterly on the Wednesday Tech 5 Well, you know look at Belgium has quite a number of problems of its own John. Besides the fact that it's not a real country... And right now there is well there has been a decade long rift between the French speaking part and the Flemish speaking part and now they're really really splitting apart in fact it was uh... The Dutch even this was story couple weeks ago said hey why don't you guys want to join back up with us? You can be a part of us again

58:05 To the Flemish yeah, and the Flemish said no. Thanks why not I think that's a good idea way They don't like the Dutch um I don't think they liked the way to the Dutch countries being run probably And you know conservative enough if you think there's a lot of animosity You know between between the two so you think it's gonna Do you think Belgium is gonna split into? I don't think the EU would put up with that It's embarrassing uh-uh I think it well. It's all effectively it kind of already is yeah, I think they're gonna split into Yeah for sure Not that anyone cares, other than the fact that InBev is about to buy Budweiser. Did you know that? I'm sorry? InBev i-n-b-e-v is a huge beer manufacturer they own Stella Artois, they own Duvel, they own a whole bunch of Belgian beers and now they're looking at I think a 50 billion dollar acquisition of Anheuser Busch

58:05 To the Flemish yeah, and the Flemish said no. Thanks why not I think that's a good idea way They don't like the Dutch um I don't think they liked the way to the Dutch countries being run probably And you know conservative enough if you think there's a lot of animosity You know between between the two so you think it's gonna Do you think Belgium is gonna split into? I don't think the EU would put up with that It's embarrassing uh-uh I think it well. It's all effectively it kind of already is yeah, I think they're gonna split into Yeah for sure Not that anyone cares, other than the fact that InBev is about to buy Budweiser. Did you know that? I'm sorry? InBev i-n-b-e-v is a huge beer manufacturer they own Stella Artois, they own Duvel, they own a whole bunch of Belgian beers and now they're looking at I think a 50 billion dollar acquisition of Anheuser Busch

59:06 You're kidding me. No, no I haven't heard this you're shitting me John come on Take a look take a look at I'm sure you can that'll be our Google News hold on just do Anheuser-Busch Wow That's a big deal. That's not news in the States. Ah Yeah, I think I would have noticed I mean maybe it is but not in I'm not so I'm looking at Google News It's not like he headlined anywhere uh I usually keep up with the beverage industry and Yeah, so you can see the stories here. 50 billion dollars? Well you know the funny thing is they'll probably improve the beer because they'll stop making it with rice. I'm always reminded of a story i heard years and years ago when uh... the German brewer that had lowenbrau

59:59 And Lohenbrau was introduced to the United States as an import and it got really popular. I think this is like in the late 70s or something like that, so one of the brewers, and I think it was either Miller or Budweiser, probably Miller decided to license it, which happens a lot with quality products from Europe. Dubonnet for example if you buy in the United States is not really made in France its made in the Central Valley created on those days anything like dubonnet. It's like Coca-Cola Well, Coca-Cola at least sticks with pretty much the same formula. You can't do that with wine. Right? That's true. So anyway... so they decided to license the Lone Brow brand and were going to make it here and so the Lone Brow people said to them well would you like to work with our brew masters so he can get it just the same? And then American company says no we know how to make beer!

1:00:58 And that was the end of it. So what you ended up with was just a bottle of American beer with a Lone Brow label on it and eventually, I never saw it after about five years of that crap people would say what am I paying extra for? I should just buy the cheap stuff. So I think this deal will happen and I'll tell you why. Now I know the Anheuser-Busch company pretty well they were one of our... In fact they were our first client in our previous business and we built Budweiser dot com you know, did a whole bunch of stuff for them. Really quite a bit of work and worked with Woody and Grinder as they're known which would be... Woody is August Bush the fourth and Grinder's third. Before we go on I did find this story and the best headline is the following Budweiser to be re-marketed as a paint remover. What the hell was that? Anyway, go ahead

1:01:51 So I spoke to my buddy over there, we were starting up Mevio at the time pod show. We actually got a nice note from Robert McCauley who was our guy, our main contact at the time he's moved up and into different part of the organization He was really running a lot of marketing And this is before they launched that failed project Bud TV and he said, you know we're really in trouble. Well he didn't actually say in trouble and I don't want to get him in trouble for saying what he said but it was clear what he was getting at because of all these Alco pops It's just not cool anymore to drink beer if you go look at their sales go look at the stock price I think its absolutely a right time for...I dont know if the price is right but I think it's the right time for them to sell because the beer market in general is just not as cool for young kids anymore to drink beer

1:02:40 you know, the Bacardi Breezers and all these vodka drinks. That's what kids are turned on to is no longer beer. David Prosser's outlook in The Independent says that ran on May 29th which is Thursday do not pay too... he thinks the whole thing as a crock. Just maybe to pump up the stock price? Well now they spook him Says in Bev might like the idea of spooking and Heiser would talk of a deal to leave the Budweiser on out of the cold This is another worsted for them to do something. They're gonna buy and heiser better now It's just a very interesting story, but it sounds like it's not going to happen from his perspective But as a speculation is an interesting idea

1:03:25 What amazes me is that this isn't all over the US press, you know? It's like... You know I'm just telling you. The thing is it apparently is because I think it's just buried though but I'm looking at although most of these are international articles but the number of articles that show up on the Google News site 791 redundant articles about this so it is floating around but Chicago Tribune has a story on it and let's see, and here is the image that just downplayed. It just ran today or March 29th. Flat beer sales lead to talk of mergers

1:04:11 Anheuser-Busch faces pressure. It's just a boring story, doesn't he? You know slow growth of beer and key markets coupled with an insatiable need to slash costs is sparking speculation about a new wave of brewing industry consolidation blah, blah, blah So no it's not. It's not a big story here the wave of the future consolidation Yeah, well is this big with my favorite company in that regard has got the right name constellation The Big Alcohol Company yeah Well the other big one over here of course is Diageo they own now a lot of the spirits and their UK company

1:04:53 This is an interesting article actually. It's, but again it's poo-pooing the concept I hate to say that sorry. I like it when you say poo-poo I'm okay with that Yeah I know but they kind of try to cut it back because of the complaints So, but anyway this guy's throwing a wet blanket on the story. Let's put it that way Yeah there was a really good conversation on Twit last week where I listened to that religiously It was one of the best shows i've ever heard You just listen to it because you complain? No! You thought that last week show is one of the best? I really enjoyed that show yeah The one with the Brewster? I liked uh...the orphan copyrights yeah I thought that was interesting Well I know that was an interesting part of it But ya know Of course it was a letter he got

1:04:53 This is an interesting article actually. It's, but again it's poo-pooing the concept I hate to say that sorry. I like it when you say poo-poo I'm okay with that Yeah I know but they kind of try to cut it back because of the complaints So, but anyway this guy's throwing a wet blanket on the story. Let's put it that way Yeah there was a really good conversation on Twit last week where I listened to that religiously It was one of the best shows i've ever heard You just listen to it because you complain? No! You thought that last week show is one of the best? I really enjoyed that show yeah The one with the Brewster? I liked uh...the orphan copyrights yeah I thought that was interesting Well I know that was an interesting part of it But ya know Of course it was a letter he got

1:05:36 the uh... all that i was interested in what's interesting there was a well and i admire him and i've known him for awhile but i admire him fridge sticking up for the you know most of us i think you know this situation so what do you need any given the guys knew whatever it was some guy's name i thought i'd be interested to have the interest of the idea i figured out who it was by the way That Adam Curry guy up in Iowa. No, Nebraska or... Or Nebraska that guy! Here's what I'm interested in and maybe you can ask Leo What kind of a what kind of reaction did he get to last week show in comparison to other ones? And it was it listened to more downloaded more because I'll bet ya that It had a much lower rating with the typical twit audience because you know I think people really tune into that to hear kind of the gossipy

1:06:26 News, tech news. Well it's like you know I'm sure they're like the Jason Calacanis shows are the ones that everyone oh well that was a fantastic show and yeah actually when you get I think is when Kevin Rose comes on this show you really get the... You get the dig audience showing up Yeah. Kevin Rose pretty smart guy he's pretty intelligent. He is. Anyway I just want to say I thought that was a good show you didn't mention me in not too bad uh... i'm sorry about that you know you're acting like baba and a little earlier always always it and i'm sure he's doing this on purpose always mispronounces all your show so you've got the take five and you've got to have to do right yet over at a take five in my view of the purpose of course is due on purpose since back and then so happens when you do twenty five hours a week if stuff used to happen spark gibberish

1:07:22 He's doing too much work. Yeah, I think so has he started those video things yet? I'm waiting for that to happen I've I'm so curious you really boy you need this is a go watch the Chris Pirillo show That's what I recommend yeah because that's it'll be Chris Pirillo only with Leo Essentially, I mean it's like you know Chris sitting at the computer just there he is. He still there has he moved nice typing something Okay, I'm noticing if you look at that if you look at the screen It says there's 300 people watching you go why? Exactly so I'm seeing this trend this whole ustream trend which is more and a you know and in conjunction with Twitter And so I'll see you like, you know. Hey! I'm streaming live! You know? It was like... I'm streaming live and I'm like who gives a shit?!

1:07:22 He's doing too much work. Yeah, I think so has he started those video things yet? I'm waiting for that to happen I've I'm so curious you really boy you need this is a go watch the Chris Pirillo show That's what I recommend yeah because that's it'll be Chris Pirillo only with Leo Essentially, I mean it's like you know Chris sitting at the computer just there he is. He still there has he moved nice typing something Okay, I'm noticing if you look at that if you look at the screen It says there's 300 people watching you go why? Exactly so I'm seeing this trend this whole ustream trend which is more and a you know and in conjunction with Twitter And so I'll see you like, you know. Hey! I'm streaming live! You know? It was like... I'm streaming live and I'm like who gives a shit?!

1:08:07 I've watched these things. Every once in a while, you see it on Twitter somebody says, I'm streaming live and they have link and it's the link to one of these streaming things comes off of a phone. And Callie Lewis did one in Texas she says we're having some sort of meet up as they like to say. A meet-up or mash-up or whatever of WordPress users in some...I guess it was like a barbecue place in Texas And so I clicked on it, and it's just a bunch of guys sitting around a table with their computers open. They're meeting up! They're not doing anything, from what I can tell. So just this... she's trying to liven it up by floating around you know saying stuff to them and they're like nonplussed about it This stuff is ruining things There's this blog It's called Girl With A One Track Mind Look it up girlwithawontrackmind.com And ummm..this girl was writing on her blog for several years every single one of her sexual experiences

1:09:10 And I mean really in graphic detail, but not in a dirty way. But really from her perspective and she's kind of like a guy you know just wants to fuck all the time and she got outed because he wrote a book yeah her blog was published as a book big hit here in the UK I'm not quite sure how it did in the States And so she kind of got outed and everyone figured out what her real name was. I followed her blog, thought it was really fascinating to read. Now she's kinda fallen into this... It's like well i'm doing a photo shoot tomorrow, I'll be streaming through quick make sure you check it! I'm like stop! You're fucking ruining it! Write about sex again! I'm not interested! So girlwithawontrackmind.com comes up as a Parker site. No hold on.. So it has to be something else?

1:10:02 Look at Abby Lee, I think is her pseudonym. See, I subscribe to it so... Well you're like a fan! Fanboy! Fanboy Adam! Yeah yeah. Abby Lee girl with uh well give it the whole Google thing. I thought it was girl maybe its .co.uk Maybe that's where I'm messing up. Girl With A One Track Mind? It should be girlwithaonetrackmind.com Well, it's not that's pissing me off. I typed it wrong Let me go look at my subscriptions which of course I don't see it coming up anywhere well the one is love reading dot co UK She's got that site hold on John. I'm gonna find this track now just about her book Hold on. I'll get it for you

1:11:05 This is the thing with it, it's almost like you don't know any phone numbers anymore because... GirlWithAOneTrackMind.blogspot.com Oh crap okay that's it yeah there you go girl with a one-track mind yeah Blogs by areas. Here's what you're complaining about Tuesday May 27th I thought it might be fun to try live streaming some video clips to explore What goes on behind the scenes at my photo shoot today? I'm off there shortly follow me on Twitter for updates or bookmark Mike quick She's like got all caught up in this crap I'm telling and she's in second life as she has an avatar, and she's doing yeah And actually I'm just looking at the I'm going back to October

1:11:49 I'm going back to October now almost and wait, okay so the one was... All right, March 11th of 2008. You know this is from South by Southwest which is another thing that's ruining everything you know how you're at the tumbler party drunkenly caning the free whiskey like there's no tomorrow and then a sick sexy geek boy sits down and starts chatting to you And before you know it your legs are up in the air Like so that's you know That's the last sexy thing she talked about you know? Now It's just all this blah blah blah I'm streaming come look at me! It's ruining everything...it really is For you. No, but I mean look...I'm just giving you one example right? But this is rampant and these companies are clearly going to go out of business there's no business model unless people have to pay for it i don't see how that sustainable at all So last time we had Scoble on the Cranky Geek Show crankygeeks.com He comes on and first thing he does is sticks his phone in my face and tells me he's streaming

1:12:49 And I'm thinking, yeah well that might be but and there's probably like it's just annoying because one thing is you should ask anyway. It's not rude to be streaming somebody but the other thing is who the heck is watching it anyway? Five people five really bored guys maybe 500 maybe a thousand maybe 2,000 but still I mean what is the value of that? It's just you know it's reducing our productivity as an economy as far as I'm concerned I think there's something wrong with it. And people ask me all the time, hey man you should put up a Ustream feed of when you do the Daily Source Code and like dailysourcecode.com but you don't understand this is all about theater of the mind! I want you to imagine where i am...I dont want you actually see that freaking piece of metal sticking out in my face that im talking into thats not cool You know its about the soundscape..its about the imagination

1:13:44 And, you know... and in fact my dad used to tell me the story about his father, my grandfather took him to see one of these radio plays when he was a kid. Took him to the radio station and it was Green Hornet or whatever the hell it was and he said he never got over the disappointment seeing how that was put together because they had this whole thing in his mind about you know with the actors and situations and scenarios It's just a bunch of ugly guys standing front of mics banging on pots and pans Yeah, no I know. In fact there are movies of those many productions but the weird thing to me about that is the radio play

1:14:25 which are available, you can download a lot of them. The key word by the way that you want to look for if you're going try and download stuff is OTR which is not a word it's three letters and means old time radio. And you can find a lot of stuff... If you Google something then type OTR in caps. Can I just put a little plug-in here? If you go to MeVeo dot com right there on the home page will see the Old Time Radio Network which this guy named Dennis puts together. It's just collections and collections of series of radio... Right, there is a lot of good stuff there and I'll second that

1:15:02 But anyway, they would show these things and these shows many of them would have an audience that was like what apparently your grandfather was watching. And then they would pack him in but it's just like why? I mean there is no action it's just all people going up to microphones and reading usually had a sheet of paper on their hands not like even memorize the lines They were just good at reading. And I don't know, it was entertaining at the time. Well this kind of brings me to another rant that i'm on because you know...I wrote a blog post about this 100 years ago which is probably no longer on the server but can be found on the Wayback Machine called The Copy Paste Culture

1:15:45 And I get a lot of comments from people, voicemail comments that I play on my show. And what happens is you know people will read... this is what the internet has become as far as I'm concerned People read an article that's online Of course you know what the sourcing of the article is probably dubious to start with and then people just start commenting on it in their blogs and it just propagates on and on and becomes a game of telephone It becomes completely worthless shit And things become truth at the end of the day. It's bad, we're not being very responsible one way or the other it just pisses me off

1:16:23 Well, it sounds like it's been pissing you off for a while. It just yeah there were things that say is all new this is not Gutenberg was around for a long time before they figured out how to make books work besides just the Bible I mean we're selling originally but then the publishing business didn't really begin right away so everyone's just playing around but I have to say some of these things are duds or bad ideas, or dead ends right from the get-go. And I would say this streaming everything you do from your cell phone is one of them it's just like...you know? I don't need this But of course in a way it's kind of training wheels for something else. There are things that this can be useful for and not quite sure what yet

1:17:11 and maybe I'm wrong but this is all just trying stuff out. All of this stuff is, there's Twitter, there's streaming... Well I do this thing on the blog which have done a number of uh... I started doing it with they roll out of the iPhone which is called just a walk-through and I have these little cameras that I have these little Kodak 705 or 703 whatever they are anyway they're just little bitty cameras that have really good video in a good microphone but they look like a little bitty just a little dinky camera. They don't look like a video camera at all. Like the flip, is that what you're talking about? No no it's the dual lens ones but anyway the thing is I turn the video recorder on and then I'll just go wandering...I walk with it and then through some scene like a trade show or down in aisle or something shoot about two to three minutes of this walking around

1:18:04 And I get a lot of positive comments. Like, I did one on Korea recently and I just walked down some street in Korea up to someplace that somebody mentioned was where all the hookers were and I kind of missed that, I guess. It's just like they're actually...and I look at it myself, I go eh, it's kinda interesting because you know, you get kinda feeling for the place and its slightly educational So I mean, I don't know. There's something to some of this kind of content-less or we wouldn't say it's content less but it's just kinda random video. The ones that I don't like is where there's nothing really interesting and then a lot of these things they don't post every one of them because most of them aren't very good and the problem with these things like Quick you start the thing up and its doing a live stream

1:18:58 You're, it's gonna be you know. It's you don't have a you can edit it so I don't know I think What are saying there like those little quick bits of Korea? So that comes back to something we talked about last week which by the way a lot of people misunderstood I got so much email from people saying they were idiots and that all this stuff already exists what we actually were specking out as The system was not quite the same as oh I have a camera that could geotag pictures yet duh You know, I know that's out there. But the idea that I could be in Korea and I could pick up or or I could not be in Korea. I could plan a trip I'm gonna make and I could then from somewhere in the magical cloud pick up some of your videos you know That would be interesting If we had stuff geo tagged like that right yeah because you would know where you were and all this other stuff So if you got complaints about what? I didn't get any email

1:19:53 No, I got your audience is different in mind. Thank God So what did they say to you? What did your crazy audience say oh well You know you what a what rock are you guys living under yeah this has been around for years And you know you don't have to wait around for years Well they misunderstood they think that we were talking about for years GPS chips inside cameras What camera has that and now geo tagging the geotagging of We're talking about GPS inside the cameras when you take a picture you get the geotagging built into the into the file Yeah, that's been around for at least two years what? Microsoft Mobile phone camera do can I go buy right now. That's a cheap little camera I can take movies with and look normal that has the GPS built into it camera or cell phone oh

1:20:40 Camera. Oh, I'm talking about cell phones with cameras We were talking about cameras when we're talking about GPS I mean, I don't want to go to curry and take a bunch of pictures with a cell phone I mean, I want to take but bring a good camera right? With a good lens and I shoot pictures that are you know professional grade in terms at least the megapixels in the quality Going around Europe or anywhere for that matter and taking pictures with my cell phone like an idiot Yeah, maybe there's some GPS stuff in some cell phones And there is but that's not what we're talking about I'm talking about having my collection of good photos being geo tagged automatically with the GPS built into the camera That was the premise of the discussion right even. I misunderstood it then there are cameras with GPS But they're high-end

1:21:28 They're high-end stuff. There's nothing really cheap there are a couple Rico has one I think Canon has one but those are more high end They're not they're not cheap cheap cameras, but of course you know a lot of these I have to say a lot Of these cell phones now. You know they got five megapixel cameras It's not but it still there's no zoom lens you can't you know it doesn't have any kind of really fancy Processing in it the quality that pictures are always mediocre and if you want to make it you know wall size print you know by doubling them

1:22:04 the lines with some software to get a big print out of it. You can't do it, I mean its not going to look very good. There's no depth of field there is no contrast and this is just... It's a joke! Let me look at my Gmail let see if I can find some of that probably not GPS camera? I must have gotten 10 or 15 emails but that doesn't matter Well, I just think it's ridiculous that people complain. We're just talking here. It's not a report. There is a lot of misunderstanding about what we are doing John believe me! Yeah there is couple guys who moan about it for some reason. So anyway the point that I still want to make if I had camera that would geotag automatically like good quality camera

1:22:57 or one of these things like the little video camera I would think it'd be a cool thing to have. Yeah, also by the way I did get an IMS I did get a couple of notes from people but they said that They were in agreement with me about the idea being a good one. Again, your audience... I was always thinking that it was a bad idea and I thought it was just a waste of money to put circuit in a camera that would have GPS capability The Ricoh Pro G3 digital camera This came out 2005 actually I'm just googling some shit here Digicam so that does video and pictures And has a GPS in it? Yeah Huh Kodak had one out ages ago. It even says in this article

1:23:42 So I guess it's lost favor. It's gone out of style! So much for my theory. What time you gotta get up, man? It's mostly a marketing thing, these things have to be marketed properly. Yeah it's getting late. Is it 2 30 where you are? Yes, two thirty in the morning. Oh shit man let's end this show hold on let me get the music and that's too late yeah you need your beauty sleep John Yes, I do. And actually I was going to fly at 1pm and taking my wife's bags over again to Holland because she refuses to fly with me and i gotta go because there is one storm front over the North Sea now that will end around 12 o'clock so I gotta get flying cause another one coming up from France. I take the channel but ok. Dude you'd be doing it all day to take the channel You don't want to take the channel

1:23:42 So I guess it's lost favor. It's gone out of style! So much for my theory. What time you gotta get up, man? It's mostly a marketing thing, these things have to be marketed properly. Yeah it's getting late. Is it 2 30 where you are? Yes, two thirty in the morning. Oh shit man let's end this show hold on let me get the music and that's too late yeah you need your beauty sleep John Yes, I do. And actually I was going to fly at 1pm and taking my wife's bags over again to Holland because she refuses to fly with me and i gotta go because there is one storm front over the North Sea now that will end around 12 o'clock so I gotta get flying cause another one coming up from France. I take the channel but ok. Dude you'd be doing it all day to take the channel You don't want to take the channel

1:24:37 Okay, hey I think I'm coming over in a couple weeks again. I can't wait we've got uh gotta set up another dinner date I hope you're not gonna be over here when I'm in Holland Oh crap no it wouldn't you're an August aren't you oh yeah right? No We got June we got July no no we're gonna hook up in Amsterdam for sure You bringing your family over right now. We were hoping to it depends on what the schedule is for my daughter She's got all these projects theater projects Now that and whatever. Oh well, it's good to hear how involved you are in your children, Chuck

1:25:12 It's always nice to hear a parent being proud of all the whatever the heck the kids are doing. I don't know what they're... yeah, their kids are doing all kinds of stuff! Alright everybody this is No Agenda for this week thank you very much for listening Don't send us any email we're just not interested Coming to you from The Curry Manor in United Kingdom I'm Adam Curry and i'm John C. Dvorak here in Northern California We'll talk again next week right here on NO AGENDA you