2:00:55 and he'd be like, he missed a paragraph or something. He had to go back. So the end of show clip then let's do Nigel Farage about the demise of the Euro and Europe in general Well, that's probably much more entertaining it is and he actually he says hey Germany You guys should pull out now while you still can get the Deutschmark back and you'll be groovy. He's right Yeah of course he's right yeah, then he's saying that you know Ireland Portugal pigs the pigs yeah this they're all going down and I get out well you can so
2:01:33 so we'll wrap it up. We will do that as the end of show clip anything else you have left over that we don't want to forget? well let's see, we got uh... no just this Bernie Sanders yeah its fun to listen to Bernie Sanders but is not important okay uh... I think thats all unless you wanna replay the Hawaii Five Oak Cliff ummm lemme think uh... NO! okay absolutely not were not going to any of that Instead, John let us sign off for this episode from Gitmo Nation on the west. How's the weather outside Miss Mickey? Is it 105 degrees? She has her headphones on so she has a 30 second delay which means that she'll turn to me in a few minutes and go... Oh yeah! So she is listening to the short stream instead of live? Yeah well she was out. She had an appointment. So you just got..she just walked back in
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2:03:30 Mr. Farage, when will the Euro break apart? If I knew the answer to that... ...I would go down to the bookmakers and place a very large bet and be a very rich man. I don't know when it's going to break apart! I suspect that between now and Christmas something big will break. And if you remember back in May this crisis was at its height over the course of summer it appeared to be a calmer quieter period and of course in Brussels everybody is in denial Huge debates about the EU happen and no one mentions the Euro. Well, apart from me of course I always do but if you look at the economic figures coming out of Ireland this week If you look what's been happening to bond markets in Portugal
2:04:09 And again in Greece, you realise that there are some huge problems here. If people in Germany think the Euro crisis is just about Greece I'm afraid I've got some bad news for you because you ain't seen nothing yet Portugal and Ireland's economies are possibly even in a worse state than Greece I think something may happen before Christmas, but when will it finally break to pieces? I can't say. But inevitably it will. It was just a huge cataclysmic error to force into a monetary union Germany and Greece and Portugal. It simply can't work." So what is your solution for this? Germany out of the Euro?" Well there are two solutions! There are two solutions. One
2:04:48 that Greece is forced out and Portugal probably in Ireland too, and they have to re-establish their own national currencies. And they'll probably need some help to do that as well. That's one solution I mean clearly Greece needs massive devaluation otherwise she simply can't cope at all the other more radical solution and it may appear to be off the agenda completely of the moment but the radical solution of course is that Germany says look We've actually proved since 1945 that we're rather good at managing our own currency. We're rather good at managing our own democracy, you know? I mean the Deutsche Mark was a currency that was globally respected and the Germans reputation for fiscal responsibility and sound money was something that we were all very jealous of
2:05:29 And the radical thing would be for Germany to say we are taking back the Deutschmark, we're taking back control of our lives. We don't do this in a spirit of being against anybody you know? We want to trade with our European neighbours, we want to cooperate with them, run our own lives and have our own currency that's the radical step and that is one I personally would like to see But do you think Brussels will like this? I mean we have a big huge democracy deficit there Well of course! The fundamental problem in democratic terms with the European Union has been since day one, that it is the European Commission. The bureaucracy, the civil service if you like they're the ones that have the sole right to initiate legislation They are the ones who have the sole ability to amend and change legislation So... You know..you read in newspapers that the European Parliament did this and the European Parliament did that but in effect what the European Parliament does It does the bidding
2:06:24 of the civil service. In a democracy it should be the other way around, it should be parliaments that make laws and civil servants that enact laws in Brussels its the other way round now the bigger democratic question is can the deficit be closed? Is there a means, is there a way of democratizing the European Union? And my answer to that is that right from the very word go this was never intended to be democratic. So it's intended to be undemocratic then? Absolutely! A kind of Runter then? Well from the start... I mean Jean Monnet was the father of this. Jean Monet really was the father of this project he hated democracy
2:07:03 It was terribly inconvenient because if a government gets elected and it goes in this direction for four years, then you get another government that goes off in a different direction. Now people like Monet with their great global views and with their unshakable belief that they know what is best, they know how we should live our lives... They don't want a system like that! They've got 10-, 20-50 year plans and democracy is highly inconvenient If, if there was anything truly democratic about this European Union then when they drafted a constitution that was the opportunity to make it democratic and I challenged them all the way through. Come on show me that you're Democrats! Make this Constitution a democratic framework for a European Union and they steadfastly refused to do so But so far we are closer to the former socialist republic than to a democracy Well great
2:07:51 A friend of mine and a man that I admire enormously is a former Soviet dissident called Vladimir Bukovsky, who now lives in Cambridge. He's been in England for about 30 years and Vladimir spent 12 years in and out of mental institutions in the former USSR categorized as being mad because he was opposed to the system. Interesting! I'm often called mad as well. And you know, Vladimir says that what he sees with the development of the European Union is something very unpleasant and he has a sort of chilling phrase. He says, I have lived in your future and I didn't like it Coming back to another issue concerning the EU is this climate hysteria. Where are the roots, where are the causes for this big big lie? Well it's so convenient isn't it you know that if politicians get a whiff that there is something happening where they can show the world what wonderful people they
2:08:45 then they all club together and they all agree. And so it's been with climate change, global warming call it what you will that this was their way of showing everybody what wonderful people they were firstly secondly they gave their failing European Union as they saw in some sense a purpose And anybody that was offering a sceptical voice, was absolutely vilified and derided. I remember doing a program about five years ago when this whole topic came up and I said well hang on you know, I may not be a scientist but i think there is another argument going on here that it's not definite that CO2 emissions are leading to increased temperatures. And I was on with the Labour politician British Labour politician and he sort of pointed at me and screamed denier! Deniers if I committed something like in the middle ages yes oh yeah witchcraft you know but I should have been burned at the stake for doing it now it's interesting because
2:09:43 I think people are beginning to wake up to this. Whether or not we are living through a period of global warming is open to question, but what I am certain of is the measures that supposedly to combat climate change are leading to yet another reduction of our democracy, are burdening the poorest people in society with unnecessary bills. And in terms of energy requirements we're heading down a road that is absolutely mad! I'm afraid Germany caught the disease before we did. There are 18,000 of these disgusting wind turbines all over Germany. It's all well and good when the wind blows but what happens in February? What happens in February when it is cold and we have fog and frost and a big anti-cyclone sitting over northern Europe not one of them turns or produces any electricity at all so you know what we've done in the name of climate change frankly is disastrous
2:10:41 Finally, your personal view on the developments in Brussels. I mean they are sticking to their power and I don't see any new developments in terms of a democratic development Quite the reverse! The next development... And watch this space because it's October Herman Van Rompuy, the President of Europe. The man who of course earns more than Obama but was never elected by anybody in October his task force will report and his task force is to set up a new economic governance of the European Union and one of his plans is that if any member state breaks the rules that he sets they will have their voting rights taken away from them That's democracy in the EU That's what's coming next But it reminds me more
2:11:30 to a dictatorship. Let the viewers make their own minds up, I basically believe that this project isn't undemocratic, i believe it is fundamentally anti-democratic But in a personal talk to me, you told me there is nevertheless some hope for the wider future. Of course there is! Look of course there is! What our career politicians are doing in all our member countries for their own self aggrandizement, for their own careers, for their own finances what they have done is nothing less than to betray our nations, to betray our democracies and do it against the tide of public opinion. The gap between the governors and governed is now a gaping chasm I am an optimist. I believe that gap can be filled through peaceful and democratic means. Many thanks for this interview. Thank you very much
2:12:24 We told you so, oh no I should die. We told you so! Ha!