Battle of the Billionaires

00:01 Have you ever seen the Vagina Monologues? Adam Curry, John C. DeVore Act. It's Sunday, August 29th, 2010. Time for your Gitmo Nation Media Assassination Episode 230. This is no agenda. Coming to you from the Hilltop Watchtower, Crackpot, Command Center, Gitmo Nation West, and the People's Republic of Southern California. In the morning, I am the member of the Citizen Corps, known as Adam Curry. And from Northern Silicon Valley, where our weather's back to normal, which means it sucks, I'm John C. Dvorak. Yeah, it's actually cold this weekend here in in Southern California as well. Hmm. No, I mean cold is relative Of course, well cold not in the East Coast sense. No, no, no, not at all cold in the West Coast sense Yeah, people here like wow, we haven't had a summer. I'm you know, I like this is just fine for me

00:54 It's just fine. I'm okay. You'll have a summer in October for sure. Yeah, yesterday and today, actually yesterday was beautiful. And Mickey was like, hey let's go on a hike. Let's go on a nature walk. And I'm like, why? I don't feel like it. And then so there's these hills behind us and then she takes me through this path and says, have you ever been here before? She says no. And we wind up down at the reservoir And no one else is there. I think I think we were trespassing And and then we had to climb back up the hill. There's no gates. No, no No stairs, no nothing. Just just the hill falling apart under our feet. Hmm And it was and that was very warm very very warm, but it's cool to walk around these hills. I

01:42 It is? Yeah, it is. It's up in the hill, right? You're up on a side of a hill. But it's right by the water reservoir. I went down, there's this like station. Can you see the water reservoir from where you are? I went down to the water's edge. Yeah, I mean I could have... Did you poop? I could have thrown anything in there. Anything I want. I could have poisoned all of Los Angeles easily and they got like all kinds of cameras. I think they've done enough calculations on that. Well, they've got all these cameras hanging everywhere. You know, it's not like anyone came to arrest us or anything. Anyway, doesn't matter.

02:18 Well, they were gonna hope that maybe they were hoping that you'd start doing something cool Yeah, they were recording Pete O'Bear was watching. Hey do something cool. Come on guys do something cool. Come on. Come on. Oh well John We got a couple executive producers Mike muzzle get him away at the top of the show, okay? we've got uh... one executive producer and three associates and let's begin by and one and actually two of them have become will become nights today nice sean connelly from naperville illinois uh... he'll become a night troy walters uh... was already searched for a troy and then they reached on the history thirty three thirty three and then troy gave us uh... destroy also an exact

03:02 He's an associate exec. Associate exec, okay. And he's from Turack, Victoria, Australia. We have two Australian associate producers today. So Sir Troy gave us $250. George Tangin, I think it's pronounced Tangin. Or Tangin. No, Tangin, yeah, because it's pronounced like the... Like the breakfast drink he says, so it'd be tangin', George Tangin'. George is tangin' in there. Do you think they really drank that stuff when they went to the moon? Yeah. Oh, okay. What's in that? Powder. What's in that powder? It can't be good.

03:40 I don't know. Intergrove Heights, it was a popular drink for... I used to drink it all the time. As a kid, yeah, you'd mix it up. It distinctively tastes like Tang. Yeah, and your mom would say, listen, astronauts drink it, it's good for you. I had no idea if there were any redeeming qualities in Tang at all. It's possible, you don't know. It didn't kill you. Intergrove Heights, Minnesota. $250 Matthew Carey to soon be Sir Matthew Carey from Eastwood South Australia $200 Adam and John you inspired me when writing songs for my new musical. It's a dad's thing one character bemoans the fact that This is about kids on a leash

04:20 Yes, exactly. Says his wife and his young children haven't had the time or energy to fool around at night like they used to. Their solution, they now regularly do it in the morning. Hey, do I hear the train tooting a lot there? Yeah, there's a bunch of work going on down in the tracks so they're just honking like crazy. It's driving me nuts. Funded by hill and Nolton secretly somehow because all these subliminal train horns that come through all the time Yes, you know there's so many people who should be sending us money You're right. It's a good point absolutely Although I always moan about this thing did they don't good thing goes at 20 miles an hour. It's ludicrous and

05:04 Anyway, they're gonna do it in the morning. We premiered the show on Friday night and the song was a big hit with the audience Send us a copy man. Send me a copy of the song. I want to hear it Does he have what's happened? You know you say yeah, send us a Matthew sir Matthew send us Some stuff he's uh, he's not officially sir yet, but he will be he will be later and he's a playwright It seems and producer and songwriter. Oh cool Kenny Dan was that is that is that our that's our exact lineup Sean Troy George Matthew a couple of PR mentions

05:43 And if you saw this email John instead of forwarding you the email and then us both forgetting about it I thought I'd just bring it up here a note from Chris. It happens right? A note from Chris. Oh yeah, it's hilarious. I forwarded the email and I never hear it. Well whatever. Well I sent it to you, well I sent it back. It's in the ether. We need a meeting god damn it. So we don't need so Chris was inspired by the no agenda fans coin challenge and he Was wondering about making a pair of dice in the morning dice And he would want he wanted to he would want to do it in a similar fashion. He said it can be it can be a cheaper product

06:24 Now what he does say is that you know I want to have a picture of you and I on the six on each of the die. I don't know if I'd like that. I don't think we should use our faces for that. The show is so much bigger than us. So maybe we should just be in the morning or something. There's something kind of cute about having the two heads crop up though. Yeah but you know, okay but next it's bobble dolls and then it's... No no we're not doing bobble head dolls. Or capes. We're not doing capes. With a built-in bat signal. And then Enzo finally got his crap together.

07:00 and set up gotnoagenda.com here's the deal go to gotnoagenda.com you can get an email account which would be your name at gotnoagenda.com 2 gigs of storage for 2 years for $33.33 that works out to $1.39 a month the other option is to get a forwarding from gotnoagenda.com 2 years for $22.22 which is $0.93 a month and 66.6% of all revenue will go to the show. I think that's kind of cool. It sounds reasonable. Yeah, so I think that's a nice initiative. So we want to thank our executive producers for today's episode.

07:44 Actually executive producer Sean Connolly, it's highly appreciated associate executive producer sir Troy Walters George Tangen and the soon-to-be sir Matthew Carey. We really appreciate you guys Supporting the show this of course is an official credit you can if you have an IMDB listing you can add it right there I think you can actually call SAG and tell them to to add it to your list or after for that reason or any other guild, because it's a real credit. You actually are an executive producer. You did no less than anyone who's an executive producer on a movie. You actually help fund the show and we highly appreciate it. Everybody else out there, you know that we have one thing I want you all to go out and do is propagate the formula. Our formula is this. We go out, we hit people in the mouth. Morning everybody! Shut up, slave!

08:50 Hey, you didn't comment on the rings. What'd you think of Sir Paul Couture Lord of the Rings rings? I didn't get that email. Dude, I forwarded it to you because I knew you hadn't seen it because you didn't respond so I forwarded it to you. We'll have to look at it. He's got them man. He's got the design and everything. He's got the pricing. We'll just go with it. Well, I want you to check just to make sure of it. yes you're not sure if you're high on it he falls got good taste i want you to just check it just just to make it just to make sure of their it is oh gee i found all of the day i get a lot of emails and annoying and so do i man what are you talking about but uh... they're made of a reading steel which is great uh... but i think that would be all you have to see all you have to do is just hit a tuning fork in the reading steel turns in the powder thing to tang

09:43 I like them. I think they're good looking. And they come in like, we can do five different sizes. It's got a backwards, I mean it's got a right, it's got a signet ring. Yeah, exactly. It's got everything. Well I know but it's got two designs. Do you want the one on the top or the one... Oh, I don't know. We'll have to have a meeting later. We don't want a meeting. I don't know. I don't have it in front of me. I didn't know there were two designs. I think the top one is the way to go because it uses the word knight and the other one just looks like you're... it looks like some... you look like a dyslexic who just graduated from MIT. Well, the only thing is he says he wants to do a run of rings separately that aren't knight rings. I don't think that's a good idea. I think a ring is only if you're a knight. There should be no regular rings. Or do you think we should have regular rings? I am going to think about it. I do like the number three in the logo there. That's kind of cool.

10:31 You see that? It's got Latin for hit people in the mouth. It's got ITM, it's got night, it's got the little helm, helmet thing there. It's got the number three. I mean, it's complete. You hit someone in the mouth with that, it's leaving a lasting impression. Yeah. It's really, really nice. Anyway. Alright, it'll be great because everyone's waiting for him and the lots of all right. Well. Let's just uh all right. It's good. It's approved Let's go. Yeah, that's how we do meetings here. We know that's our meeting. That's our meeting and probably we're what is it? We're transparent we has this is what the Obama administration exactly what they do is it we in fact this was just on C-SPAN so we got some letter from some guy and

11:12 uh... to find it now you have it was from was about i think i sent it forwarded to you it's a the guy said these german guy do is what is our kids one of our uh... producers from last week we cities in frank work for ways actually in austria you see that one now that's because people said he was in frankfurt he never mentioned that he was in austria right but he says that his douchebag friend burger he's called a douchebag yeah says that we're he says as far as he says he always great grapes at him for listening to the show and he claims burger does that we're too we're a right-wing tag team oh yeah right yeah it was that work right wing tag team is because people hear what they want to hear

12:01 You know if you bitch about Rachel Madcow then all of a sudden you're a Fox News shill. I get those all the time. You guys are just shills for Fox News man. I said I wish. I wish. We slam Fox News as much as we slam, in fact I've got a clip today. Oh let's play it now then. Let's slam Fox News just to prove a point. Which by the way is run by the Democrats. Yes, that's the other thing we say yeah, which doesn't sound like right wing not a tag team to me But anyway, I found it offensive very offensive. Okay, what you got? But here's a word. This is Laura Laura Ingram took over for O'Reilly and a couple of shows this week. I don't like her

12:43 You don't like her? No, I don't like her. Yeah, I find her to be, well she's kind of whiny and she's a, to me, and I know this would be offensive if she ever heard this, she's an Ann Coulter wannabe. Girl pair, Laura. Because we know Ann Coulter is a transsexual. Well that's what you think, I don't think so. That's what I hope. She can be kind of hot as a tranny. No, it's got me there with you with the just about take a sip. There goes the mic. Yeah, almost a spit take. As a tranny I think Ann Coulter is pretty hot. So anyway, so Ingram has been used by the left-wing shows on MSNBC because she there's a clip of her from 2009

13:28 that has her talking to some woman who is a one of the heads of this mosque which is now by the way by some right wingers is being called the victory mosque. This is such a distraction from anything that is real that's going on. I know, it's just a real distraction. That's why I wanted to talk about it. But in this case I think he's mentioning and now I can kind of you know kind of a put a little deconstruction on Laura Ingraham, but anyway, Ingraham comes on in 2009, late last year and starts to tell, what a great idea, you know, to have this mosque. It's fantastic. And there's all clip after clip of her going on and on, fawning over this mosque. So now she comes on the show to talk about the mosque and she brings out, she does a clip of Bloomberg and Bloomberg mentions her as being all for the mosque. Circle jerk. Sorry? Circle jerk.

14:22 Well, she... No! Here's what's weird about it. She never once addresses it. Even though he mentions her in the clip? He mentions her and everybody knows that, well, she's got to say something because she is the one that's been all for the mosque until now. And so you just listen to this and it just goes on and on and she just completely avoids the topic. It's like, what? Hi everyone, I'm Laura Ingram in Tonight for Bill O'Reilly. Thanks for watching us. No time for talking points memo tonight, so let's get right to our top story. The left opens up a new line of attack against those opposed to the proposed mosque near Ground Zero. New York City Mayor Michael Bloomberg led the charge, demonizing mosque opponents by questioning their motives. Take a look.

15:15 The New York Times wrote about this mosque a year ago. Laura Ingraham did a show about it or mentioned on one of her shows and said she was in favor of it. This mosque has been operating for over a year. There's nothing new here. The difference is we're in the election season. And this whole issue, I think, will go away right after the next election. This is plain and simple people trying to stir up things to get publicity and trying to polarize people so that they can get some votes. And I don't think that most of these people who are yelling and screaming really care one way or another. The family members, they do care. And the family members that I've talked to, and I'm chairman of the board of the World Trade Center Memorial, 100% in favor of saying these people, if they want to build a mosque, can build a mosque.

15:59 Joining us now, Alit Shoubat, who's the author of the book For God or for Tyranny. And from Washington, Reverend Barry Lynn, the executive director of Americans United for Separation of Church and State. Now I thoroughly enjoyed watching the mayor on Stewart last night. We asked him to come on tonight, but he was golfing, I think, with President Obama, so he couldn't make it. Here's what I have to say about this, Reverend Lynn. We have the father of one of our great heroes on the United 93 flight, of course David Beamer, coming out against this mosque. Deborah Burlingame, her son, also on United 93, coming out vehemently against this mosque. People like Danny Pearl's dad against this mosque. You know, the idea that, oh, people are yelling and screaming, they don't care.

16:44 We do deeply care we happen to disagree Yeah, okay, she goes on and on now. She's apparently against the mosque. She never once addresses her situation Because it's all set up. This is bogus. Did she even listen to the clip? And I'm telling you, she's so on it. How many times do I have to tell you? When the clip is rolling, that's when the makeup comes in. You know, do I look good? Is my hair right? They're not paying any attention to that. And here's what's the worst part on this exact same show. Do you remember the way the show opens up? There's no time for talking points. Let's get right to it. Because it's really important. Later in the show, she actually says, well, as I said in the talking points earlier. What? Oh, she missed. The script was messed up.

17:25 Unbelievable. But she still has not addressed her own situation. This is, this is, to me this is like, why do we even watch this crap? It's funny because there's a, let me bring this up, someone sent me this link which relates to Relates to the mosque. This is a victory mosque. I'm sorry the victory mosque Bloomberg is right of course this this is all just a distraction, and it's about votes or whatever But this is a brand new website which actually goes full-on live September 1st

18:04 They have kind of a park page up with a YouTube video. I'm gonna play that for you. This is buildingwhat.org. I lost my son, my nephew, my uncle, my son on September 11th, 2001. Most people don't know that a third tower fell on September 11th. World Trade Center 7, a 47-story skyscraper was not hit by a plane. Although the official explanation is that fire brought down Building 7, over 1,200 architects and engineers have looked into the evidence and believe there is more to the story. justice to my son my uncle my nephew my son and thousands of others who died on September 11th go to building what org so this is building bullet what pull it pull it yeah pull it build

17:25 Unbelievable. But she still has not addressed her own situation. This is, this is, to me this is like, why do we even watch this crap? It's funny because there's a, let me bring this up, someone sent me this link which relates to Relates to the mosque. This is a victory mosque. I'm sorry the victory mosque Bloomberg is right of course this this is all just a distraction, and it's about votes or whatever But this is a brand new website which actually goes full-on live September 1st

18:04 They have kind of a park page up with a YouTube video. I'm gonna play that for you. This is buildingwhat.org. I lost my son, my nephew, my uncle, my son on September 11th, 2001. Most people don't know that a third tower fell on September 11th. World Trade Center 7, a 47-story skyscraper was not hit by a plane. Although the official explanation is that fire brought down Building 7, over 1,200 architects and engineers have looked into the evidence and believe there is more to the story. justice to my son my uncle my nephew my son and thousands of others who died on September 11th go to building what org so this is building bullet what pull it pull it yeah pull it build

18:53 building what.org which I and by the way they're airing those on television in New York these ads and so they're requesting for support in funds. The name of the website is derived from a statement that Judge Edward Lehner, New York's state Supreme Court judge said upon hearing the words building seven he apparently said building what What you're getting yeah building what this guy's not keeping up Building what so it's building what org yeah? Which of course was not mentioned in the 9-11 Commission report or anything like that. It's just Just kind of just kind of felt because they had burned it was burning I tell you it was fire in that a building fire fire our president came out with his weekly lies and

19:49 Which as you know I watch faithfully cruising through whitehouse.gov Guess what John guess what our president has done guess what he's doing. He went golfing again. No. He's stopping the war He's ending it the war is ending. He's ended the war the war is ended. Yes. It's over I thought we still had 50,000 troops there after more than seven years the United States of America will end its combat mission in Iraq and take an important step forward in responsibly ending the Iraq War responsibly ending the Iraq war. What started with Colin Powell holding up a vial of anthrax with weapons of mass destruction. It was actually uranium I think it was a yellow cake. Oh yeah yellow cake of course.

20:30 And we were looking for weapons of mass destruction. Saddam Hussein, bad guy, bad guy, gotta get him, gotta get him. Yeah, now we're responsibly ending it all. As a candidate for this office, I pledged I would end this war. Let's just hear what he said. Did he actually say that? Let me listen to what he said. I will promise you this, that if we have not gotten our troops out by the time I am president, It is the first thing I will do. I will get our troops home. We will bring an end to this war. You can take that to the bank. So he didn't. He didn't say he would end the war. He said he would bring his troops, bring the troops home. He's actually holding true to his promise. He's not ending the war. He's just bringing some troops home.

21:10 There's a difference, their words do matter. Yeah, but he also says it'll be the first thing he does. Yeah, well, that was of course a lie. But wait, also the first thing he does is close Gitmo and that's not gonna happen. Oh gee, I'd forgotten we haven't closed that yet, have we? There's a bunch of other problems. Weren't all bills supposed to be put online so the public could comment? Oh yeah, at least three days. That was like a big deal. Because everybody's corrupt, they're doing stuff behind closed doors. So we're gonna put these things online for a couple days and then people can comment. So what happened? Well, screw that. Shut up, slave. Shut up. Who are you? Shut up. Don't question things. What I'm doing. I've brought home more than 90,000 troops since I took office. We have closed or turned over to Iraq hundreds of bases.

21:54 That's like saved and created. Closed or turned over. I'm not quite sure what that is. In many parts of the country, Iraqis have already taken the lead for security. I guess we were there for just for security. We weren't there for weapons of mass destruction or for yellow cape. In the months ahead, our troops will continue to support and train Iraqi forces, partner with Iraqis in counterterrorism missions, and protect our civilians and military efforts. But the bottom line is this. The war is ending. Couple of links to the who I'm referring to as the James Bond of India. Yes I read any of that stuff. You know I started to read it and then my eyes glazed over but I do I It's heady stuff. This is it's under the CIA ISI cabal in the show notes yeah, and this is about a total collaboration between the Pakistan ISI and the United States CIA

23:15 Right well that and the Taliban I didn't catch that part. I didn't read that far you had to read the second of those two articles Well, tell me to tell it everyone's curious. It sounds like a corrupt mess Yeah, there are then we summarize. Yeah, that's what I'm waiting for yeah. It's a corrupt mess. Oh great It's funny because I was reading something else about Pakistan there are a number of Pakistani websites who are now accusing the CIA of causing Pakistan flooding. And of course they know as you and I do John that this is harp being used against Pakistan. How many minutes are we into the show? We're doing pretty good. This harp thing I'm telling you there's a lot of evidence of weather modification going on

24:05 And just look at what's going on around the world. The Russians are saying it. The Russians are saying that the harp is being used to heat up Russia. And now some Pakistanis are saying, and by the way, these are unpronounceable names, these websites. Check this out. PakistanKakudafits.com. Yeah, that's catchy. It's like, what? I can't remember that website. It's in the show notes though. Andrey Arezhev, that's the Russian scholar we talked about. He says that harp is being used to burn Russia. The flood disaster is more man-made than natural, says pakistankakhudayevs.com

24:45 The choice of starting point was perfect. All the flood is going in downstream from the Khyber Hills to Karachi. Designed to submerge all of Pakistan and produce the worst crisis and chaos ever. They know they can't win a war with nuclear-armed Pakistan. It would be mutual destruction, so they have other ways of doing it. We have ways of making you swim. Yeah, it's kind of interesting. But the... I just got... I'll get this out of the way right now. Happy... National Preparedness Month, John. I'm prepared. Are you really now? I used to be a Boy Scout, you know. Oh, be prepared is the Boy Scouts marching song. No, the president has proclaimed September, so I'm a little bit early, but we might as well get ready for being ready, as National Preparedness Month because of course, you know, we could have a bio-terror attack, a cyber attack, we could have an earthquake, we could have

25:44 A number of horrible, horrible things to hurt us. But there are so many cool websites that have popped up as a part of this presidential push. So we've got ready.gov. Please all fire up your browsers and go to ready.gov. That includes you, human resources in the chat room at noagendachat.net. Where of course you need to prepare, plan, and stay informed. And it's just hilarious. I mean, they've got some public service announcements that you will soon see. They will be airing everywhere. Actually, this is great because this is a really slow-mo shot of a family at home and all of a sudden they're flying through the air. Everything's flying. Tables are flying. The whole house is turning upside down, John. Oranges are floating in the air. Where are you seeing this? At Ready.gov. I'm looking at Ready.gov. Listen.

26:39 What if life as you know it has completely turned on its head? And they're doing backflips in the air now in slow motion. What if everything familiar becomes anything but? It's really sad before a disaster turns your family's world upside down. Oh, I see it now You to be ready be ready be prepared have a plan. They've been hit by a beam formed today It's cool Ready dot-gov so you got to go to ready dot-gov because they have this series of really really poorly acted eight eight part series of this family who clearly a public service advertisements and

27:28 Well, that's not where I am. I'm at, uh, no right now I'm at, uh... I'm looking at the... there's a whole video series. They're in there. Yeah, they're in... all the links are in the show notes as usual. And so they have the introduction, get informed, make a plan and this family which is model family, mom, dad, son, daughter. They've clearly never worked together. Dialogue is outrageous. But then they said he has a school project to talk about the important work FEMA is doing. And what's interesting is what keeps coming back is the possibility of a freight train derailing with toxic chemicals. This is a constant theme throughout these clips. But maybe just listen to a part of the ending.

28:15 Which is a the get involved part 8 which is just and by the way you've got to see the they've got like this minority report type Readiness room to recap the four steps of preparing for disaster are here we go getting for getting formed Make a plan. Make a plan. Assemble a kit. Get a kit. And maintain your plan and kit. Maintain the plan and kit. Being prepared can reduce fear, anxiety. He's showing his presentation for class. Sometimes avoid the disaster completely. Yes. Yes! Very nice, Zach. That's beautiful. Very, very good. That's great. Very proud of you, Zach. Now, you ready to do that in front of your class? This is dad. I think I'm ready. I think you are too. I think you are, son. Through our son's project, our family was able to take the steps necessary to prepare for disasters of any type. Oh, John, are you prepared for disasters of any kind at any time?

29:08 Yeah, you gotta have a tank of gas. Fortunately, we had lots of help along the way from those who work in the disaster field and from many publications that are available nationwide. The booklets that we used can be obtained through your local American Red Cross chapter. Oh, the Red Cross is involved. Since when is that a government organization? Yeah, since when? No, they're not. They're not a government organization. No, of course not. This is a scam. The total scam! They're also available from FEMA along with the Are You Ready Guide. You can contact the FEMA Distribution Center at 1-800-480-2520 for copies. John, let's go to our FEMA Distribution Center. I wonder what they... I want a copy now.

29:49 Every American can and should do their part to be better prepared and better protected. Hell yeah! And help their communities do the same. Yes. Absolutely. I mean our family just volunteered on our Community Emergency Response Team. Ah! Community Emergency Response Team. Certain yes, John. What could that be that's right? It's also known as search right now our team is learning how to provide immediate assistance to victims and we're learning how to Assemble information to give to first responders as soon as they arrive on right on Sir is a part of the citizen core program. Okay there you go citizen core program Citizen core program. Oh yes. Yeah, this is citizen core gov. No. It's endless these 18 million dollar websites

30:35 Citizen Corps is FEMA's grassroots strategy. Isn't that a dichotomy? How can it be FEMA's grassroots strategy? It makes no sense. It's an oxymoron. That's what it is, oxymoron. To bring together government and community leaders to involve citizens in all hazards, emergency preparedness and resilience. So this is essentially You're this is the what they call it. It's a waste of the taxpayers money It would be a waste of money is is one but this is these are the shills who are gonna be you know when FEMA comes marching to put you on the train your neighbors are gonna be guiding you

31:18 Move along now people and you can get certified, you can get badges, you can get special ID. I'm joining. Yeah, special IDs and stuff. Oh, I can use an ID. Yeah, they have special ID cards. Yeah, excuse me, I'm with CERT. I'm a member of the Citizen Corps. Well, you know, CERT is one of the major organizations that deals with computer disasters in terms of like giant worms that take over the DNS system and things like that. I think they should be irked about this. I think they've stolen their acronym. Yeah, they totally did. By the way, we have two days, 14 hours, 17 minutes and 42 seconds until National Preparedness Month begins, according to their website. So yeah, make sure you get your badges and your ID cards and maybe they'll even give you a cool vest that glows in the dark.

32:11 Register a council, find a nearby council. I'm gonna do, I think I'm gonna be the guy here. Can you just imagine? Hey, move along! Hey, hey, I'm from cert! Move along now! Shut up slave, get on the train! Goddammit, shut up! So I just found that to be somewhat abhorrent. I don't like it when you say we have a government-run grassroots campaign. I just don't like it. I'm looking at, they already have dozens of these things have already organized usually around, you know, they're probably the same guys who went door-to-door collecting for Obama, of course.

32:53 But yeah, please have a look at at ready.gov and enjoy all the videos where they continuously warn about a train running off the rails with toxic chemicals. This is an ongoing theme. So we could be on the lookout for that. There's kind of mixed messages here, you know, they got the and now that my latest thing with the trains good planes bad you might as well play the theme. Here we go. All aboard trains good planes bad. It's apparently California. Did you get this note? California is a great story. California is requiring if the French are going to go, obviously this whole phony baloney high speed rail in California is already in the bag for somebody because the French decided that they want to like bid on this thing.

33:41 And you know they got the... Were they Tejaveh? They have the best high-speed trains in the world. Yes. And they want to get in on this. It's like can we maybe... How about letting us in on this deal? Hey, we want another deal! Instead of a blank check to Siemens, your pals. Yeah, don't just handle it all to Germany. We hate those guys. So they're requiring the French, California, state of California, this is typical California, requiring the French to turn over all their documents about how much the French National Railway took Jews and shipped them to the concentration camps. Can you make it any more blatantly clear? It's basically it, yeah. We want to see all the documents, how much collaboration was going on, you Frenchies.

34:25 and so we want the records and the french that we were actually different apparently released the records to other countries before and it's there but they're just a good there have to be shaken their heads knowing this just harassment there's a a website uh... just on that briefly i think it's we will we will not be chipped dot com or dot org uh... with this new york times uh... reporter or four or had been a pro-world freelance the new york times that goes in-depth into by bm and their uh... uh... machines that were used by the by the nazis to uh... segregate juneau yeah the hill of third it was a killer of hillary's machine i think it's called hollerith hollerith right there's a good card sorters yet card sort of a dish near he actually shows all the different colors as i mentioned ten bucks is is that black yeah it was a black yeah is he where it blacks a friend of mine eliza of course he is so it is kind of a weird guy talks on the side of his mouth has like buggy eyes

35:23 Yeah, yeah, that's it. Dark. Great though, great story. Ed Black used to be the publisher and editor-in-chief of OS2 Magazine. Oh, he worked for IBM! No, he's actually a really good, he's like an unbelievably outstanding investigative reporter. He did a lot of things about modern slavery, for example. I mean actual slavery. This is exactly what the whole website is about, is about very chip. Who have changed their name now of course to hmm? What the hell is it? I'll come up with it And IBM how they're working together to essentially you know get everybody chipped And then they'll use great big IBM mainframes, and then they'll put us on the FEMA trains created sounds good Good work ed continued success. I think ed is doing great work. I really like it We the people will not be chipped. I think is that you can just google that but on the trains thing I

36:21 Another revolving California, the what is it the Center for Urban Infrastructure released a report and this is a California organization. It's called Thinking Ahead High-Speed Rail in California. They detail the benefits of building a mass intercity high-speed rail system for Southern California. So they essentially were given a a gig to write up a report about where this thing should run and what it should be doing. And this really, really shows that the plan is not to transport people, but to transport freight because they actually say, the writers of the report say, suggest that most of the money should be used to link Bakersfield and Fresno in Central California

37:09 Which of course is farmland. Yeah, I mean who's gonna go from Baker? What person who wants to go to either one of those towns? It's for freight. It's for corn and stuff like that. Yeah, you move stuff back and forth great. It's a great report. You should really read it. It's funny. They also talk about, you know, well we're gonna have a problem with parking at these terminals. Yeah, no kidding. So they're talking about air rights. Have you heard of air rights? No. Because that means the right to build up in the air or something? Oh, the bill of straight- Yeah, I have heard of that. So they're talking about towering parking structures and stuff and shut up slave, just walk around. Just park a mile away and then walk. That's kind of the...

37:48 Kind of the gist of that. You can take the little tram. But the funniest thing was on the high-speed tram. The funniest thing was on the Dvorak.org slash blog about this British Airways flight on its way to Hong Kong. Yeah, I love this story. And all of a sudden apparently a pre-recorded tape comes on telling everyone that they're going to make an emergency water landing. They're all gonna die. Yeah, and by the way, they were over the North Sea, not the ocean, I mean the North Sea, which is kind of crazy. I think we have an ABC News report here, which I don't know if it has a pre-roll. I'm sure it does. Let's see. There may be some cool audio on this. Let's see if they have a commercial. Come on. You know, Safari sucks.

38:46 Anyway, so screw that then but you know I'm sure we have some aviators in the audience I would like to know I I'm not aware of and I think this was a 747 I'm not aware of a pre-recorded message that you got that's what I asked in that posting that make that makes no sense to write it on tape and It makes no sense to me. Somebody bumps the machine, they walk by it, they bump it, next thing you know it's said, we're gonna crash! What I think it is, I think it's the in-flight video entertainment system that they probably have a number of emergency videos that in, like you'd have time, you know, like if you're descending at 2,000 feet a minute or whatever, like you have time to hit the button. I'm pretty sure they have something on the in-flight video entertainment. That's probably what it was. I don't think it was something triggered from the cockpit.

39:34 You know, so, oh here it is. Again, they've licensed video from airport. It's not cheap, these packages. people who are crying and shaking. We talked to Michelle today, one of 275 people on the flight in total darkness, 30,000 feet up when a terrifying automated announcement came. This is an emergency, the cabin speakers blared. We may shortly need to make an emergency landing on water. I didn't know whether to kind of, you know, see if I could use that sort of telephone thing in the back of the seat to contact my parents or to get

40:33 to get my life jacket on or you know what to do next. Somehow the warning message was triggered by mistake. British Airways is now apologizing to passengers on board the flight for causing them undue stress. I wish I was on that flight. I would sue them so bad. I'd be like, you've ruined my life. I have nightmares. Yeah, no, they're going to get sued a lot. But I just like to know about this. I don't understand. It makes no sense. You have to wonder. I mean, how about this for a concept? It was done on purpose. To do some sociological research. What happens if... Right. Well I know we've got a lot of big bird captains out there, so let us know if there is indeed this type of automatic system and how it's triggered and we'd just like to know. And they're showing pictures of a 747, so I'm going to presume that that's what this aircraft was. I'm sure what they're flying from Heathrow to Hong Kong, that's a 747. Yeah.

41:31 I think a 777 can make that trip too, but I think British Air is flying 47. A 777 can definitely make it. Yeah, but I don't think British Air, I think British Air uses mostly the 747 for that flight. But I'd just like to know. I would really like to know. And then there was all kinds of other train, plane stuff. There was a ghost hunter who was killed by a train in North Carolina. He was on the track. Yeah. Douche. A ghost hunter? Yeah. Oh yeah. Apparently in 1891 or something over this bridge, it's one of those real typical railway bridges that goes over like hundreds of feet in the air.

42:13 And 30 people died and apparently there's ghosts there so every year ghost hunters go out on the anniversary of this accident from the 1890s and they go hunting for ghosts. Well, there's an extra ghost now. Yeah, but actually a train came along. It's like yeah, okay, and so three of the five people were able to run before the train got him and then one guy pushed his girlfriend off the bridge and And she fell into the trees down below, was hurt but is alive and he unfortunately got killed. So don't mess with trains I think is the message there. But they were on a trestle? Yeah, trestle is what it is. Trestle, trestle, trestle. That's dumb. Yeah, jet blue...

43:00 Tires caught fire during a hard landing in Sacramento. Yeah. Yeah, that was big news Yeah, whoo the question on my mind is I didn't even know jet blue went to Sacramento That's why that's the airport. That's why they're letting you know hey we go out of Calcutta. Here's the meeting People to know let me think let me think what we can do I do have some excellent news, John. I received an email from one of our producers and he was bitching and moaning about something and it was kind of irrelevant but then he says, you know, hey, I'm a douchebag but I'm only making three bucks an hour and so I fire an email back and say, what douchebag company is paying you three bucks an hour? So that's illegal. And he comes back and he says, well, I live in Tijuana, Mexico. Yeah. Yeah, but check it out. He said the company I work for is owned by Carlos Slim

43:52 He uses the MF word for him actually the richest man in the world And what's happening is he's a computer systems engineer listen this guy's three bucks an hour computer systems engineer And he works it well I won't tell you the name of the company because I want to get him or anyone else in trouble But it was just purchased and there's like all this stuff in you know like Calderon's Son-in-law or someone you know owns that owns this company And so it's like all money going in and out of one pocket to the other But what this company is doing is creating the national ID card for get mo nation taco And he says to me he says but don't worry. We're putting loopholes in the system I'm like cool, and so I query I say what are the loopholes he says well I

44:42 The way we're doing it is we're putting in into the system a little web responder and if you know the URL then you fire off, you know, then you fire up a web page which will have like a question mark query and I guess your ID number and it will remove you from the system. No! How cool is that, huh? That's totally cool. You know, I bet you every system has this stuff. Well, and so this of course comes back to the, you know, sysadmins to the rescue. Although he does say here in his note, you know, we've been trying to implement it, but we've put it through a couple times and then it goes off to testers and it came back and the note was, unnecessary code must be deleted.

45:29 But they're trying so you know I think I truly believe that the goodness of sysadmins around the world are gonna save us from this crap Particularly unnecessary code must be delivered. There's ways around that. Yeah, of course. Well, I mean compress the code you can precompile it of course He's so he's not gonna tell or we've agreed I'm not gonna give it all away, but this this part I could certainly give away that the whole point is These systems are made by people and most people who grow up writing computer code I would have to say have have some crackpot buzzkill in them and

46:05 And if not, we can get to them. We can get to them. So that's all good news. But I like the idea. I like it, you know, where there's like a special URL and you just hit it and boom. So I wanted to talk about David or the Koch brothers this week because I kind of deconstructed a few things that I think are important. And also I think they should listen to our show. These guys who are billionaires should be sending us money. We'd make them... what can we make them? First of all, we'd make them automatic knights with rings. Well, they might not want to be mentioned.

46:42 It's okay, but we won't mention we'll still send them the rings, but we won't mention them just send us your cash coke brothers You're on our side Coke brothers so anyway, so they did a they did I know we mentioned this in passing last week. They did a hit piece in and the new yorker on them uh... called covert operations billionaire brothers who are waging a war against obama yet so i have i have a separate uh... heading in the show notes called party ties and uh... and and is basically too links in their one is about the coke brothers and then the other one is about the uh... the secret uh... meeting of all the

47:24 Progressives in 2004 to get Bush out of the White House just showing that all the millionaires by the same woman Jane Meyer that is called the money man and instead of like the waging a war it's can George Soros millions ensure that's not what you're in sure the defeat of president bush so you can see see immediately that mayor is of kind of compromised she's compromises she's a bit classic liberal uh... it by the way she is an outstanding writer of which makes it even more dangerous. Well, it's well written, yes, but she's still a douchebag. A douchebag. I mean, because she takes one side or the other. But meanwhile, everybody's been jumping on these guys, everyone on the left, because of one thing or another. And they turn out to... But what I want to talk about, and I think we'll do it after we mention the...

48:16 there are donors this week is that the because it's it's going to take a little more than usual time and i want to be too boring i want to go to snow or do you want to do donors to that one but what i want to talk about after the donors is is the idea is associate word association and how it's being used to kind of twist the way you think and and this comes up after a uh... a lunch that the company had as a going away lunch for nick and cari oh interesting and because somebody brought some up as soon as they did i say i looked and then i realize what what kind of method that would wouldn't gonna new trickery is going on that we have to be kind of aware of okay

48:56 Okay, I like it. I like it. Well, I'm very confused by the the support Mentions that we have because of course we had a big fail on Thursday. So a number of notes didn't get mentioned So we have we have some make do's here and then it was it's a it's a cluster F Yeah, me so so can I just I mean I have two things I want to make sure I do these and then also stay out of the way So we have this one from Chris do we have do we have a make-do on Chris that you know of? Is that the one that just came in? I don't know. He said I'd like to call out. This is from last week So I don't know what the what?

49:42 What the donation amounts were but I just want to make sure I do it Chris has like to call out the human resources department of my contract agency through which I'm employed as douchebags For compelling me to sign and agree to adhere to a policy that specifically defines any visible tattoo as harassing behavior Oh, yeah, we forgot to do that last week. I do not have any tattoos myself, but I find it abhorrent good use of the word Chris That they would define all tattoos, even those of Holocaust survivors, as harassment. Yeah, nice point. And this is Eric Gray? Who says we didn't read his $333.33 donation from last week. I thought we did. I would have remembered this.

50:29 Hello heroes, please read on air apologies for the late donation. I'd like to thank and make mention of Ara Der Darian host of HTTV and Home Repair Theater podcasts also a no agenda supporter Please call it my bro Andrew peace as a douchebag For not donating yet. I'd like to if any of you know agenda disciples on Xbox want to hit me up I'm the living easy e and And that was it. That's all I got. And I'll leave the rest up to you. I just want to make sure we get this. Okay, we also have a, we had a late donation. We have a couple of birthdays. I want you to just make a note when you do the birthdays. I'm doing everything on your cue today.

51:12 Okay, oh all right. Well. Do you have the birthday call out for do you want to do the birthday thing? No, no not necessarily. I just want let me give the numbers out first, and then we'll deal with it. Good idea. Okay, so we got $100 from John Smith sir John Smith actually from Alpharetta, Georgia's on this continuity of $100 a month and opt out of the mothership plan and As I've been living with mainstream media zombies for so long now, I'm not sure what I would do on a ship full of no agenda listeners. Wait a minute, so he's not, he's getting off the ship? Yeah, he's getting off the ship like I am. Alright, hey Sir John, you know, nice knowing ya.

51:52 Okay, he's gonna be that's okay. We can hang out in he's in Georgia. We can go just eat Pulled pork and then drink beer. You know you go do that you go do that. I will that's fine. You can buzz us Fly by we'll all be behind our windows waving. Hey see ya Michael Kearns Platte City, Missouri 6969 I'm doubling down on you guys and keeping up my patronage hope you guys keep up the great work we do our best yeah thank you awesome some new listeners Andrew Kerry from Leighton London London England Leighton where's Leighton's a district there I don't never heard of it 5555 hi guys Andrew from the Bahamas but living in Gitmo Nation East

52:42 Love the show, I've been listening for 1.5 months. He must be an engineer. Hoping for some good karma while I go through this new rigorous process of renewing my work permit under the new coalition government. Yeah, good luck with that. I'd also appreciate a de-douching if possible. Absolutely. You've been de-douched. Colin McCarthy. Wait, wait, here's a tip for Andrew. Go back to the Bahamas. Are you out of your mind? Are you just living in Gitmo Nation East? Get out! Get out! Bahamas is great! You can go to Bermuda. Colin McCarthy, Omaha, Nebraska, 55, double nickels on the dime, and Andrew Everett, Teagardens, New South Wales, double nickels on the dime. He sent an email about the Posse Comitatus Act. I think we read that or

53:34 Somebody did yeah, we've talked about the you know what's the problem is we talk about so much stuff And we get new listeners, and then you know we know that we've spoken about it, but they don't know so yeah the Posse comitatus act is essentially that the The US government may not put troops In action against its own people which of course is being done continuously at checkpoints do you I checkpoints Checkpoint, checkpoint, we're gonna check you son. And of course they're only there to help just in case you know someone gets stuck in their car or something but it's being violated continuously. uh... nicolas wallace to lead a whole high off his five three four two in the morning to you looking to get some house selling karma my job is letting me transfer to tennessee with a living is easy have that by the way they stayed there very good when you drive first driving into tennessee there's a huge billboard on one of the major roads that say we uh... enforce our speed limits

54:35 And by the way, they should do that for Washington State because I've said it before I'll say it again on the show to remind anybody traveling outside of the Seattle metro area into the anyplace else in Washington State they Make they don't do not have a personal income tax in Washington State. They make all their money from speeding tickets Yeah, and you should contest that you should go to court whenever you can because there's there's a good chance that the cop won't show up usually grounds for dismissal and Yeah, well not so much in Washington. Oh really? Because I think each cop does about $250,000 a year in speeding tickets up there. It's amazing. Yeah, that's what they do. You could go be a murderer and you'd be no problem. Yeah, it's like 150 bucks for what, five miles too fast and you get a hit on your insurance so it helps the insurance companies. It's a big scam.

55:24 So the advice is just drive the speed limit. If you don't have a cruise control in Washington state, you're gonna be sorry. You're gonna get it. And they always are down on the down slope of the hill. Have you ever noticed that? Oh, they always yeah. And they say at least they warn you that they're gonna change the speed limit. They say speed zone ahead. So you got about a quarter of a mile. Then when it goes from 55 or 60 to 40 or 30, Essentially you have to slam on the brakes. Yeah, you can't even crew you can't even slow down slow down to a cruise now so we also do I dash help calm and Barry Wilson are still hanging in there on their knighthood thing their layaway program layaway program right my thinking

56:10 Okay, yeah, if I have the birthdays here for a second. Yeah, okay, and now they're let you how many which ones do you have? I don't know I've got Rory stone who says happy birthday to his brother Cody J stone whose birthday was on the 25th and I've got To Happy birthday to Chris Advent from Carrie. Yay! Barely made it. Yeah, really. I thought that was a donut.

56:53 No, it's not. It's a double stinger. I can fire it up whenever I want to, duh. Yeah, but you can't end it whenever you want. Yes, I can. Oh, okay. See, I have this. Now I'm giving away the secrets of my trade. We're open. We're transparent. Completely transparent. People always wonder how you end when we do the intro. Who always seems to time perfectly with it's amazing how that works. It's only amazing. How does that work? It's just outrageous speaking of amazing Gx2 is amazing is the first release on no agenda records calm. Oh, yeah. There's a new project out there John

57:32 No agenda records comm releases music to iTunes and to Amazon so it's all legal and all proceeds I guess excluding some cost but might not even be that I don't think they have much cost goes to the show And the gx2 amazing track which by the way, I would love to hear that in a club It is truly amazing is the first release and it's on iTunes. That would be cool. Yeah, it's very cool So we have two nights. Yes, let me just Draw my sir. Can you draw yours out for a second everyone? Yeah, okay? Yeah? Okay, we would like Let me see Sean Connolly and Matthew Carey to step forward please we'll do Sean first Sean please kneel Yeah, that's good

58:22 Well, Sean, you've done it. You have completed your support of the No Agenda show in the amount of a minimum amount of $1,000. Therefore, we now proudly knight thee Sir Sean Connolly, Knight of the No Agenda Roundtable! Please step on over and enjoy our hookers and blow. Okay, I don't have the uh... We have another knight, John. Yeah. Yeah. Is it something you need to say before that? Well that's what I was going to talk about. He's a double knight I believe. Matthew? No, no, one of the ones you're going to bring. Sir Sean? I don't know, just go ahead. Yeah, please. Can you bring out the sword? This is a smaller one. Yeah, because that one is bloody. The other one was, jeez, I could break my back. Matthew Carey, step forward please. You two, Matthew, have completed your quest.

59:21 Amounts totaling up to $1,000 which means a ring will be on the way to you soon made of reared and steel but first we must officially knight the Sir Matthew Carey Knight of the No Agenda Roundtable Enjoy some hookers and blow which by the way is a meme now getting into the mainstream media as we listen to Gene Simmons speaking to his son Nick Simmons on the family jewels program look you're gonna have options and Doc McGee is your potential manager He's gonna make sure that all the labels who are interested in you are gonna come in and you know what they're all gonna say this label is like a family that we are well, yeah, but the other

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1:03:24 Public broadcasting is extremely indebted to sponsors to to then it's ridiculous. I'm completely all over sponsors the only and by the way I'm telling you we're moving into the into the the popular mainstream John I'm reading in the chat room that apparently John Stewart is now talking about So, you know he's listening no, I think he's what I think is a couple of writers his writers listen You know, so if there were his writer should send us some dough. Oh Those were cheap fighters. Yeah, we're giving them great material. We're giving them material. What do you mean? There's people without jobs who support this show. Yeah, I know and I appreciate that those guys the most. And we also appreciate everybody who's got a $5.33 subscription. It's a big deal. How's our 42 doing for the lucky 10-10-10 which is binary for 42? 42 of course is the answer to all questions in the universe. You want to set up the donation page for $42? Actually, I intend to have it up tonight. Okay, great.

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1:05:13 which is actually a what kind of a white paper on the Koch brothers and climate denial and it was done by Greenpeace and much of the information is taken from there but let me just give you some idea as to the objectivity. For one thing in this PDF file, they have photo after photo after photo, which are essentially smoking stacks and oil refineries on fire and all these things that get nothing to do with anything. This is all associative, which is what I want to talk about on this deconstruction. is an associative messaging which was brought to my attention at this luncheon but let's start by listening to a little bit of Meyer on the national treasure and there's some associative stuff in here. So this is NPR which is listener supported but not really. I'm firing this up from their website

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1:07:28 This is a lot of fun one more time okay, can I just get support from people say hello to the new NPR music app for the iPhone a music magazine for your ears read hear and experience okay? I think we've done it. I think now we've run their cat They've capped us so after a certain amount of times. They just don't serve you any new ads. Yeah, they've kept yeah I think that's a little bit of this gross thing in there all right We'll play the gross thing but I have to get listen to an ad for NPR comes from wick and invest committed to helping investors track their investing in retirement. When did they thank people for sending in their cash or at wick? They don't. They're liars. You're commercial, commercial bastards. This is Terry gross. This is fresh air. I'm Terry gross. You might not know their names, but brothers Charles and David Koch have quietly given more than a hundred million dollars to right wing causes underwriting a huge network of foundations, think tanks and political groups.

1:08:24 Jane Mayer reports on the Koch brothers in the current edition of the New Yorker, in an article titled, Covert Operations, the billionaire brothers who are waging a war against Obama. She says the Koch brothers have become the primary underwriters of hardline libertarian politics in America, and their views dovetail with their corporate interests. Charles, who is 74, and David, who is 70, own virtually all of Koch Industries, a conglomerate whose annual revenues are estimated to be $100 billion. The Kochs operate oil refineries in several states and control some 4,000 miles of pipelines.

1:09:03 Coke Industries owns Brawny Paper Towels, Dixie Cups, Georgia Pacific Lumber, Stainmaster Carpet and Lycra, and is ranked by Forbes as the second largest private company in the country after Cargill. Just to clarify, Coke is spelled K-O-C-H. Jane Mayer is a staff writer for The New Yorker. She writes about politics and the war on terror. Jane Mayer, welcome back to Fresh Air. Now you say that by giving money, fund political groups like Tea Party protesters, they've helped turn their private agenda into a mass movement. So before we get to who they've given money to, what do you consider to be the Koch brothers private agenda? Well, they are longtime, very hard line libertarians. So their private agenda is really the

1:09:57 eradication of the federal government in almost all of its forms other than the parts of it that protect personal rights. Like, isn't that like the Constitution? Yeah. You want more? So we don't have to play any more of that because I got too many questions. Can I play another ad? No, but I let you know they had that progressive ad. Yeah. And it's interesting because Meyer in her 2004 piece, she mentions the organ. That piece starts off about how they're having a secret meeting. This is all fine when the Democrats are doing it, by the way. But let me just read you the beginning of that article. It's called The Money Man about Soros on August 6th, a week after the Democratic Convention, the clandestine summit meeting took place in Aspen Institute in Colorado's Rocky Mountains. The participants all

1:10:44 democrats were sworn to secrecy in few of them will discuss the event one thing that is certain however is the guest formed a tablo that not many people associate with democrats party of the past five billionaires joined a half a dozen dozen liberal leaders in a lengthy conversation the future progressive politics in america on and on a secret meeting uh... no one was supposed to know about this is one person or in you know another and then it says this is interesting the meetings organizer was peter b lewis the seventy-year-old reclusive chairman of the progressive corporation which we just saw advertised all my goodness pushing an ad out on this npr show coincidence i think not and why she bitches and moans the uh... writer complains bitterly about the fact that the coke brothers won't talk to her because you know why should they

1:11:28 I should find that this guy's the same way he says the according to Lewis's friends he concluded it would be best to remain a shadow figure in the 2004 campaign he's declined all requests for interviews but she's not pissed at him no but anyway because he's good he's good he advertises on NPR he's helping the cause is a good guy. The irony to all this by the way is that the Koch brothers also give the NPR they're one of the main financers of the Nova show Really? And they also give to the ACLU which nobody seems to want to mention. Yeah, so they give money to the Democratic causes. They give money to everybody, anybody they can buy. How come we're getting screwed?

1:12:11 Dvorak.org slash NA. Dvorak.org slash NA. Come on Koch brothers. I only want them to do is listen to the show and then we won't even have to mention it because they're gonna say well these two guys the tag-team right-wingers are actually libertarians just like us. Yeah that's right. I mean I'm sure they're for you know the funny thing is about these crazy lefties and the crazy right-wing libertarians not the regular right-wingers The one and I don't even wouldn't call these two guys right wingers of the though all the reports all right wing billionaires, right? Party tea party. Well, anyway, there's an associative thing going on

1:12:47 that i want to get just jumped to a 19 to keep talking about this other stuff for it necessarily and that you heard it in the uh... terry gross report she says hardline libertarian and and then jane myer comes out and she says hardline libertarian what does that mean john but it doesn't mean anything but what it does is it takes a word hardline which is always associated with something bad and just puts it in your brain and here's what happened to me at the lunch I'm at the lunch and we're talking, I got Nick and Andrew are sitting there and they're the only two guys that listen to the show and everybody else you know is a bunch of Democrats probably and they listen to me go on and on, you know no one's going to say anything. Now wait a minute, tell me about this lunch, what was this for? It was a going away lunch for Nick and Carly. Oh okay right, at Mevio.

1:13:37 Yeah, they're at MeVio, but the lunch was at the ramp. In politics, according to Wikipedia, hardline refers to the doctrine, policy, and posturing of a government or political body as being absolutist and sometimes authoritarian. The hardline position is usually extremist and uncompromising. Right, it's all bad connotations. But we're going to go and look at some of the way this works. So we have a going away meeting for... I'm sitting there yakking to Nick and Andrew, and I bring up the fact that I'm going to talk about the Koch brothers and how they're getting, they're basically getting hit for one reason or another, most of it again is based on this Greenpeace document which I'm going to read a clip from.

1:14:21 and I go and we just start chatting and nobody, of course none of the other people want to say anything because they don't want to get into a political argument. No, I mean God forbid we have a discussion about politics. So Will Streeter chimes in. Ah, Will, our black friend from Pennsylvania, from Philly. He says, and he's gonna start asking, he's starting to ask a question I can't answer, I don't know the answer to that and I just kind of cut him off because it wasn't anything to do with anything. He said wait wait wait wait and he actually insists on finishing what he has to say because it's actually more of an announcement. He says aren't the Koch brothers the guys behind... Oh gosh. Aren't they the ones behind the Swift boat of John Kerry? Swift boating John Kerry?

1:15:05 Wow. And I said, what? I never heard you think this would have come up in the conversation. Yeah. And I said, so I didn't think much about it. I said, no, as far as I know, some guy in Texas, Harold, what's his name? I have his name somewhere that did that. And who's, you know, he's the Swift boat guy. He's got nothing to do with these guys. I mean, they may have contributed to a company or something somewhere, but there's no they're not connected to the Swift boat. So I thought I was thinking about this, I was listening to all this reporting and I realized that we're talking about association work here. And this is what a lot of people are doing in the propaganda community. And here's how it works. Go look up Koch Brothers and Swift Boat and you see a bunch of links.

1:15:49 The headlines in progressive journals mostly are the Koch brothers swift boating the climate movement. This is great. Swift boating the climate movement. That's great. I love it. Over and over in the headlines the words Koch brothers or Charles Koch and David Koch are either mentioned with the word, associative word, in the same headline swift boat. Huh. So that's how the association comes up that they were behind the Swift boat. Exactly, and it was just so obvious to me that this is going on to an extreme and these guys are subject to it and I mean just the general public is going to be subject to this. If Will Streeter all of a sudden out of the blue tells me that there's, you know, I don't know what he's reading but apparently he's following the headlines. Will who is a very smart, very reasonable East Coast guy I have to say. Yeah.

1:16:40 So, I'm looking at the, I'm looking at some of the stuff in the Terry Gross report that you started. I'm going to give you some of the associative words that are just thrown in by these two. All they do is they stick in your brain and now you as you would in an attempt to get you to associate these words with these guys in a negative connotation sense and here's I just wrote them down as they were coming out private agenda mm-hmm war criminal war criminal front groups under a rock nice fellow travelers oh That's a good one astro turf rednecks

1:17:23 manufacture public opinion beautiful launder economics now one of the things and those are the kinds of things that those words were used in context so you so you know just casually listening you're only gonna you know you think of you these are all bad words I mean, astroturf's a bad manufacturer. Public opinion comes from manufacturing, which is Chomsky's book, Manufacturing Consent, which is a negative connotation. It makes it sound as you know, as this corruption, as some evil thing going on. I also got a big kick out of Mayer, who was... And this is all used just in like passing words, just like, oh yeah, you know, he manufactures consent. This is neurolingual programming.

1:18:06 Totally. Yeah, well, it's about time that people start realizing that your brains are being programmed. I mean, come on. This is why we do this show, to assassinate this crap. so that's i got the biggest kick out of uh... mayor she says she'd be actually documents that the the the brothers have have uh... funded thirty-four organizations yet the number right down thirty four dot no one of us five or ten minutes later into the discussion she says they funded a tremendous amount thirty four organizations tremendous cd i got the exact quote tremendous amount

1:18:42 But wait a minute, it was 34. Is that a tremendous amount? I don't know, maybe. So I go back to the document that she used to pretty much dig up most of the dirt on these guys, which was this report, which I'll link to the show note. No, it's a Greenpeace report called Koch Industry. Koch is the way I pronounce it. Koch Industry secretly funding climate change machine. Oh, wait a minute. They've got the weather machine switch. Cool. Yeah, cool. So they had it's a really good article. I mean, because it's you can it's just completely lopsided and they go on and on with all the stuff that they're that's in this in the New Yorker article.

1:19:25 But I got the biggest kick out of the lack of the... besides these photos that are throughout the piece which have nothing to do with anything, these photos come from everywhere. They're essentially clip art but it's all again... Getty Images. ...the same kind of associative. You see a... you're reading about the Koch brothers here and then you're seeing a refinery smokestacks belching black smoke next to the reading. This is another thing that people don't realize is when you read these articles and you just kind of know the picture you may not even really pay attention to it but and I think it is mainly Getty images that they use but this is all very associative and it really it melds into your mind and sets the tone I mean this is it really does matter what you're seeing.

1:20:07 So they have the list of all the major stuff that the Koch boys have invested in, including like the Cato Institute. By the way, and I, no matter what anyone thinks of my politics, I think the Cato Institute does some of the best work for all the think tanks in the country. I've read a lot of their books and they're just an outstanding operation. Apparently, according to the report here, the Cato Institute, if you listen to Mayer and others, the Koch brothers started the Cato Institute, but if you look at their actual funding, they only received a million dollars from the Koch Foundation from 2005 to 2008 which is what $300,000 a year that's not enough to make this place operate let me tell you. We can't we'll be nice to run this show off of that if we could make it.

1:20:54 You would be I take it I take it. Come on to listen first then we can take on coke brothers Someone must know the code, you know, what? Oh, who am I kidding? We can't even get to Mel Gibson Yeah, we couldn't get the well Mel Gibson may be harder to get to the coke brothers Yeah, he might be anyway. Okay, let's let me here's the way these guys this is the way this this thing reads I'm gonna just read a segment they have all these foundations of Koch, it says Koch foundations and climate denial. This is all about the climate aspect of things. I'm just going to read from their report about their description of, for example, one of the groups that the Koch brothers fund is the Heritage Foundation, which is a major conservative think tank that everybody knows about. But here's what they say. The Heritage Foundation is a conservative think tank that misinterprets science and policy regarding the climate. No. Well, hold on a second.

1:21:58 The science is in! Science! And uses their conclusions to argue against action on global warming. Now, wait a minute, you're telling me, seriously, that this group, its job is to misinterpret? What are we going to do today, Bill? Let's misinterpret some data! There's a couple of reports here we need to misinterpret. Are you kidding me? Why don't you just come out and say it? That's what they say! They didn't come out and say it! The Heritage Foundation is a conservative think tank that misinterprets science! Yeah, that's right! Bastards!

1:22:35 Anyway, every one of these things is slanted to this. This report is so sick that it's like ridiculous that it's used as the document that is pretty much the foundations for this New Yorker article. And I mean, she did some other work too, but this thing here is just an incredible, it's an out and out laugh. It's a laugh riot. There's actually a great article just while we're on the science In this Sunday the get my nation East Sunday Times called super freakonomics everything you know about global warming is wrong and it's It's about merv old never merv old Nathan merv old from oh yeah, Nathan's a genius. Oh, she's total genius and he has this little this little group of

1:23:22 uh... and they're actually laughing about uh... so you know that so they had what they're saying is long story short you have to read it in the show notes no agenda show dot com is uh... yeah there may be some global warming but uh... it's actually because of water vapor that's that that's the worst uh... that greenhouse gas there is a nice idea water i e clouds and uh... but they're sitting there a lot so marveled at certified genius who study with stephen hawkins uh... You know, they're saying is CO2 is actually really good. It's total bullcrap. It's all for cap and trade. These are real scientists here and they're actually members of IPCC which kind of blows me away. And when the reporter mentions Al Gore, they all go, oh brother. It's literally there in the article. They all like groan, oh brother. So that's a good read that some real scientists are not buying into this bullcrap.

1:24:18 So anyway, yeah, well we're obviously in the minority on this argument. But here's what's interesting, anyway, this hit piece goes on and on and on. But what became interesting was in the discussions, and I have a bunch of clips, maybe we should play a couple of them before I... have to put a stop to this because I just I got too deep into it. Let's play some clips, that's good. What do we got? Well we got a bunch of clips from Democracy Now! They really went for it. You know this guy... Wait a minute, wait a minute. So first we had NPR, now we have Democracy Now! So apparently there was a memo somewhere that said let's go get the Koch brothers. Yeah. Okay, just so I understand this is a media hit? Totally. Okay, got it.

1:25:00 So play the intro and I'll go open up the file and see what else we got. Well, I'm going to talk about another piece now, Chuck. Chuck Lewis, you're quoted in this major article in the latest issue of the New Yorker magazine by Jane Mayer that profiles billionaire brothers Charles and David Koch who have quietly given more than a hundred million dollars to right-wing causes. Jane Mayer writes, quote, in Washington, David Koch is best known as part of a family that's repeatedly funded stealth attacks on the federal government and the Obama administration in particular. With his brother Charles, who's 74, David Koch owns virtually all of Koch Industries, a conglomerate headquartered in Wichita, Kansas, whose annual revenues are estimated to be $100 billion. The Kochs operate oil refineries in Alaska, Texas, and Minnesota and control some 4,000 miles of pipeline.

1:25:51 Coke Industries owns brawny paper towels, Dixie cups, Georgia Pacific lumber, stain master carpet and Lycra among other products. We already heard all that. It was boring. Yeah, but did you notice something interesting? It's the exact same exact same. litany of information that was given by Terry Gross. Oh totally, totally and I love the way he goes, a hundred billion dollars! Well the difference between her and Terry Gross is that she will emphasize things that she thinks is you know negative information. A hundred billion dollars! Well play clip two. Okay. Here we go. Goes on to write, quote, indeed the brothers have funded opposition campaigns against so many Obama administration policies from health care reform to the economic stimulus program that in political circles their ideological network as no is known as the coctopus.

1:26:42 I never heard this. The what? I've never heard this anywhere. The coke what? Coke-tipus. The coke-tipus? Like octopus. They must be worried about these guys if they're pulling this all-in-all-out hit on them. I think so. Yeah, they must be doing something good. Well, they figured out that, you know, I don't think they're worried so much about the Coke Brothers as trying to get him to back off. I think there were, I think the progressives are worried sick about the libertarian, not just libertarians, about the Tea Partiers and in fact again Will Streeter chimed in about the Tea Partiers being some sort of crazy corrupt group that is going to ruin the country and they're all racist pigs. Yeah, that's right. Alright, can we get off of this because it's getting tedious. Okay, well let me give you one more that you got to get for sure. Play clip eight. Okay.

1:27:34 I can already see the title is already turning me on. Theater building which now bears its name, David Koch's name. He's given $20 million to the American Museum of Natural History whose dinosaur wing is named for him. This spring after noticing... What a horrible guy! He donated to the dinosaur museum! Ah, what a bastard. It's all part of a scheme. In the decrepit state of fountains outside the Metropolitan Museum of Art he pledged $10 million to... Oh no, he's giving money to arts! This is bad! The government is the only one who can give money to art. Renovate them. And he serves on the board of Memorial Sloan Kettering Cancer Center, where after he donated more than $40 million, an endowed chair and research center were named for him. Now, later in the piece, it's very interesting because it talks about the fact that Koch Industries became a major producer of formaldehyde.

1:28:25 after it bought Georgia Pacific, the paper and wood products company, for $21 billion. So Jane Mayer asked James Huff, an associate director at the National Institute for Environmental Health Sciences, a division of the NIH, about this. He said it was disgusting for Koch to be serving on the National Cancer Advisory Board. Huff said it's just not good for public health. Vested interests should not be on the board. He went on, those boards are very important. They're very influential as to whether NCI goes into formaldehyde or not. Billions of dollars are involved. in formaldehyde. What a C word. Isn't it unbelievable? So the guy is, is, is the way I grew up in America, you didn't wait for the government to help you out. You know, if you had a cause, you went to your community bank, your community bank would give money to anybody by the way, before they were bought up, they would always shell out money for the community. You went around and if you were really wealthy, you build hospital wings and then stuff for cancer.

1:29:26 And then they'll do, oh, well it's clearly to get his formaldehyde business going. Yes, it is. That's the only thing they could hang all that on, by the way. They, you know, this is a company, there's a hundred, how many, they don't even sell a billion dollars worth of formaldehyde. I mean, it's ridiculous. Okay, I'm done with this. I just, I just want to finish it by playing One more commercial from NPR and then we're done with this. Yeah, that's much funnier. Actually I got it. I got another be quiet now first I don't want to play another clip. I know I want to play a commercial from NPR Let's see what we get support for NPR comes from chase. Okay, we already had that one. Okay now no no no turn is over No one more thing

1:30:05 I turn is over. You've hogged the last 20 minutes about these Koch brothers who you clearly have a hard-on for. Yeah, wait, one more thing. Apparently these guys were against the SO2 cap-and-trade scheme that came up years ago that everyone uses. Well, the reason that we can do cap-and-trade and why it would work is because it worked with SO2 and acid rain. Remember that? Yeah, but that was cap not trade. No, it was cap and trade. There was a cap and trade scheme. Okay. I have a link in the show notes from a left-wing site called Green Left.

1:30:42 That claims now that the cap and trading scheme for sulfur dioxide was bullcrap. Nothing's been done about sulfur dioxide and that might explain the fact that the oceans supposedly are getting more acidic is because this whole sulfur dioxide thing has been swept under the carpet. Scam. Scam. It's alright. Oh boy. Uh, gee. Now I gotta pull something out really quickly that just can put everybody into a different mode. I've got a comedic thing we can switch gears. Well how about this? There's been a flurry of sightings of a UFO. In fact one even crashed in Fresno. And there's a crash site, there's pictures of the smoking wreckage, military forces apparently immediately on the scene for this triangular craft.

1:31:42 and lots of pictures and video in the show notes, noagendershow.com and this happened on the 22nd of August, the crash was on the 24th of August but there's been tons of... Oh, you're sending me this link. There's been tons of sightings around Fresno, there in the hills of USOs. It's the high-speed rail people. Yeah, right. And I wanted to... Let me see, well there's a couple of things. I wanted to introduce a new meme, eutricity. This fits in perfectly with our human resources theme as now chemistry post-doctorates Shanwen Tao and Rong Lan at the Harriet Watt University School of Engineering have discovered a way to turn urine into electricity and clean water and they've dubbed it eutricity.

1:32:44 That's not gonna catch on It'll be good though. Just pee in your tank right like yeah, I think that would be great. I'd love it. I love it. Tricity Eutricity you watch, but that's all we're gonna be good for we're only gonna be good for power power generation. That's what it is So there's a show on that people have ever so often somebody says well you guys haven't talked about this It's just right up your alley It's a new drama that that's on before or after Mad Men on AMC called Rubicon And I think it's a great that I'm still trying to get over the hump whether this thing's gonna sustain I don't think so because you have to definitely watch the episodes from the beginning. It's gonna be a great DVD set

1:33:34 It's about a super agency, a spy agency that contracts to other spy agencies and they're part of the government but nobody knows what they do. It's a spice. A lot of people have been emailing about this show. Well, I got a clip from it. That has nothing to do with the show itself, but it seemed to me that there's some spy people involved in the production of this show some spooks along the way and Within the right within the middle of the context of the show one of the characters one of the main evil characters Who's a super spy gives advice on what kind of briefcase to buy?

1:34:13 Okay, let's listen. And I'm watching this and I'm saying, wait a minute, this is actually good advice! What kind of briefcase to buy? So if you're going to buy a briefcase, if anybody out there wants to be like, you know, look kind of like a government, like a spook. You got to have the right equipment. You have to have the right briefcase and it's not one of those square things that have the two locks on it, it's one of those old funky looking things with the one bolt. the middle but let let him explain briefcase that to people out there who want to know if you're gonna go out buy a briefcase get one of these or if you want to identify your neighborhood spook they'll be walking around with one of these exactly you really could use a good briefcase nothing I can't of course but something that lets people take you seriously I've attached to the one I have there's no handle

1:35:02 For security tether what? handcuffs Avoid anything that announces its newness its cost or its distinctiveness You need one that locks preferably with a key combinations of a nasty habit of locking themselves at the worst moments clasps no zippers and none of those spring-loaded closures that announced to the whole world you're opening the store and I prefer a single clasp, something that allows a file to go in without stopping or using two hands.

1:35:45 Yeah, well what's interesting is that is a disinformation because I happen to be in possession of a spook briefcase And that's not the way it looks so that's bullcrap I like the idea of having it you can put it he shows the Demonstrates how you can put a file in it so quickly I was impressed by that yeah But it's bullcrap because that is not an official spy briefcase is one of those boring brown ones It does have a handle and has two spring-loaded clasps, and it has a secret document carrier inside just saying oh Okay, don't ask. I know what you're talking about right, but I'm just saying I think for people who I don't know I don't know if this is a bad idea Maybe this is a lecture to people who use the other and I don't know you're just right in the middle of the show There's this lecture about what kind of a briefcase to buy and I'm thinking well

1:36:32 Cruising around Gitmo Nation from the news, a judge sentenced a former Faulkner University student to join the military and perform community service for a post he had made on Facebook that led to a campus lockdown. I'm not quite sure how this works, but this 23-year-old had done some weird post on Facebook and everyone got freaked out and so they closed down the campus. And then Montgomery County Circuit Judge Tracy McCooey Said, uh, well, I'm gonna make you join the military. It'll be good for you, son. How does that work? How can you force someone to join the military? Gunpoint? Yeah, it's weird, isn't it? Yeah. I just thought that was kind of strange. I think they finally figured out a way to get rid of our guns. This is a good one, by the way, because if you can't get rid of the guns, what's the obvious thing to do?

1:37:35 Concentration camps? No, get rid of the bullets. Oh yeah, the bullets. And the EPA, the Environmental Protection Agency, our friend Lisa Jackson has decided that lead shot, lead bullets, along with lead fishing sinkers violate the 1976 Toxic Substance Control Act. So you can have bullets as long as they're not made of lead. Yeah, and they cost like three times as much. I guess depleted uranium would be good. That would be the stuff. But that's, it's like wow, okay. And so, but they're actually moving ahead with this. They're really trying to, you know, it falls under the Toxic Substance Control Act and can and will be banned by the Environmental Protection Agency. It's kind of weird. In Cleveland,

1:38:37 The green police have actually come into action just like in get Monation East the beta testing grounds for all of gitmo nation They're now putting RFID tags into the garbage bins And they'll be tracking whether you move these bins enough So you have to move them at least once a week to put it out at the curb if you don't you're gonna get a little knock at the door I'm gonna come see what if you're not recycling bad person so gear sir gear sent us an email, I think you must have it there, discussing the fact that that bogus thing that we saw on... Yeah, the making oil from plastic. Making oil from plastics. It failed to note a couple of problems.

1:39:20 One of them is that, and there's a good article in the wiki page by the way, called, you look at, here's what you look at. So what we're talking about here, I realize as soon as you said this, ah, this is not a new technology, this is old, it's called depolymerization. Yeah, it's been around for like four or five years, right? No, no, decades. decades even. Ever since the invention of plastic it was developed. Okay so this reversible process and this is the Japanese video from the United Nations University who are supposed to like make us all hot and horny and remind us that everything in our world is made of oil. Yes, totally bogus totally bogus can't be the problem has always been that it's a break There's a break-even problem takes more energy to make this reverse That's what I thought unless you use like microwave But it will be really difficult because it produces combustible gas and all kinds of rice But apparently if you read the wiki page and approach that exceeded break-even than others you could actually do it was developed by Illinois

1:40:16 back microbiologist Paul Baskis in the in the 1980s and refined over the next 15 years. He's got a million patents. This guy's never mentioned of course by the United Nations because it has to be some Asian I would think because they're smarter than we are. Anyway, there's a whole bunch of these things but the problem that Gere points out and has to be taken into account Is that when you push the plastic back into a petroleum product you you get the whole range of petroleum products? Which includes some you know oil and a lot of gas yeah explosive stuff? Which blows which could like blow you up? Yeah, no, but it doesn't matter because it's a meme now. It's out there, and I was like oh, this is great

1:41:01 We were talking about women and how advertising is completely messing with their heads. Because it's not just used for political motives like you were talking with the Koch brothers, but advertising is used to really mess with your head. And poor women, beautiful creatures of this earth, they really get screwed. There's this, the ad has been pulled at this point. Really get screwed. Yeah, they do get screwed because... I'm just saying, it's just like a pun. Go on. Yeah, well, thank you. Summer's Eve, which of course is fine maker of douchebag products, has an ad and he's a beautiful, smart-looking blonde woman. She's stunningly beautiful. Looks a bit like Nikki actually. And is wearing a business jacket.

1:41:51 And it says, confidence at work, says the ad. How to ask for a raise? Well, you've got to feel fresh down there. They've literally said if you want to get a raise, if you're going into your boss to ask for a raise, you have to clean your vagina. That is what this ad is saying. It was in Women's Day magazine. Yeah, and we got a couple of links to that thing. Cleanliness of privates plays a pivotal role in whether or not women will get a raise at work. How do you feel? You know, you should burn Women's Day. They've pulled the ad, of course. Oh, we're sorry. We did. You took it the wrong way. Oh my God. Why don't they just have it like that old, remember those old, you probably, this may be... Well, before you go there, before you go there,

1:42:45 Have you ever seen the vagina monologues? You know, I couldn't watch them. Well, um, Mickey has done a scene from the vagina. I have never seen it, but she, for some whatever, workshop, whatever, she did a scene from the vagina monologues and it was about douching. And the whole thing is, you know, it's crazy. The names of these products are like summer rain and, you know, and then fluffy lavender. It's like, you know, that's not the way vagina is supposed to smell. And who made this up and why does it have to smell like that and where did that come from? And it's a very good piece actually from the vagina monologues. You just like saying the word vagina. I'm not convinced of it. Well, you know, in fact in that monologue it goes like when I order some fish I want it to smell like fish. That's literally part of the monologue. But it is. It's kind of we're out of whack. We're totally out of whack and I feel bad for women. Yeah, we don't have that. Do you have any... well there is a ball washing product actually.

1:43:44 There is yeah, yeah, there's a serious one. Are you sure that's not on the golf course? No, it there's a real ball washing product I can find it for you somewhere if it's like clean my balls calm or something But but you know for guys it's like funny right but for women Let me see. Yeah, we Take a shower, dude Ball cleaning products, let me see Just bar soap Yeah, but it's just it's sad that women have to go through that and no one questions it well men have to go through it too apparently with a ball-washing probably pay less attention to it. It's ball smell I'm surprised they don't go more blatant with these commercials. I mean there was this years ago Whatever happened to bad breath?

1:44:31 They had, used to have these commercials, don't broadcast bad breath. And they had a, you know, kind of a cartoon character with this, these radio waves coming out of their mouth. People dropping. I wish I, I wish I remembered what the hell, it was, they had a whole website. This, oh man, I can't remember what it's called. I'll find it somewhere and then I'll put it in the show notes because I know you're just pining to get some. Okay, enough of that. The London Telegraph cranks up the Ministry of Truth, Terror, Frighten You, or Ass Machine. Michael Clarke, former government advisor and the head of the Royal United Services Institute, says he believes the security services could struggle to cope with a new generation of extremists seeking to carry out lone wolf attacks.

1:45:23 A report published today, Professor Clark says over the next five to ten years, 800 prisoners in jail for non-terrorism offenses, and by the way, we have a picture here of a dude with a towel on his head and a beard, will be released to the streets having been radicalized in jail. They'll be joined by convicted terrorists serving short sentences who once freed are likely to be just as committed to the cause of jihad as before. Therefore, terror alert in the United Kingdom is on severe. We've got a new wave coming people. New wave of terror attacks. And they'll be targeting aircraft, trains, hotels and sporting events. Be afraid, be very afraid. My nation east, you need to be protected. Homegrown terror is in the streets. Be afraid.

1:46:14 Listen to your government, it's all good! And this was kind of funny from Gitmo Nation Great White North, total propaganda piece in the Ottawa Sun. There were men being charged with a homegrown, there it is again, a terrorist cell. We spotted this meme a year ago. Yeah, but this one brings in another meme and it gets quite funny. So they're plotting to bomb Parliament Hill and the Montreal subway. The allegedly planned, the systematic attacks using Ottawa Public Library computers communicating over the interwebs.

1:46:54 They were sending coded messages according to Canada's communication security establishment. But they were very easy to crack these coded messages. And they were using all kinds of key words that our systems picked up on like Al-Qaeda and IED. Can you imagine these guys? Actually, you're in a public library and you're sending messages back to home base because we need to be financed. Yes. Hello. Hello, Mohammed. We are planning an IED attack. It's like, yeah, so it literally says here police said that so of course no no explosive devices found But they did find 50 electronic circuit boards that can be used to remotely detonate so-called improvised explosive devices Police said the suspects had schematics video drawings instructions books and electrical components to build IEDs so this is This is a group of Islamist homegrown terrorists clearly, but what's interesting is

1:47:52 One of these guys, Khurram Sher. Yeah, shows up on Canadian Idol. Canadian Idol! And he sings like... Did you see that? Did you see the clip? Yeah, he's singing like Avril Lavigne. But I think they changed his voice in the clip for some reason. It comes through really weird. By the way, I love it. He's got the Taliban hat on. He's got the beard, he's wearing the dress, he's like completely, like, I'm amazed that no one was ducking under the table. Oh my god, he's got an IED strapped to his chest, he's gonna blow America, Canada, and the United States to bits! Hi, I'm Greg, how are you? Good, good. So you're on heels from Pakistan, eh? That's right, I'm a terrorist. How long have you been here? I've been here for a couple of years, I came in 2k5, so it's been about... I came in to blow everything up. Okay, so what song are you gonna sing for us? If I can sing like, uh...

1:48:46 I love the added bits here. Anyway, so you can watch that video. It's quite funny. He looks like a Taliban! I'm amazed that the judge didn't go, you look like a Taliban. I don't know, I don't get it. It's just gotten out of control. It's probably, there's probably, it's probably not politically correct in Canada to suggest that somebody who looks just like a Taliban is a Taliban. But it's a joke, the whole thing is a joke. So this guy... Well they got a lot of publicity for guess what show? Yeah for Canadian Idol of course, everyone's like wow, we should be screening all these candidates.

1:49:37 And how do we know that guy was actually the same guy? I mean the whole thing could have been shilled together. Canadian Idol should be taken off the air because it is clearly a breeding ground for terrorists. And while you're at it, take American Idol off the air as well. Take them all off the air. It's a breeding ground for terrorists, I tell ya. Love this it's like how stupid do you do it are we? Because we are retards all of us when we actually like oh, well gee I'm glad they got that clue boy. They really got We ducked a bullet. They're gonna blow up everything We dodged a stainless steel bullet so this guy comes into the country he uses public library computers which you can't even get no agenda on the public library computers and

1:50:22 Of course, you know, it's like the stupidest, you know, go to an internet cafe but don't go to the public library and use their computer. And then he's like, you know what, while I'm building this IED, I'm gonna go on Canadian Idol. This is a great idea. Let's see if I can win us some money, then we don't have to email for some financing from Pakistan. It's like, how stupid are we that we buy into this? Idiots. We're also this part of a campaign to, I mean everything is anti-Pakistan nowadays. Yeah. It's actually getting quite amusing. And then the thing that, the story, I'm sure you saw this about the BP subpoena power for the government investigation. Did you see any of this, John? No, I missed that one completely. So apparently the House of Representatives passed a bill

1:51:15 like 290 to 1 or what how many congressmen are there? I should know this. Well what does it take to pass a bill? Well anyway it was like 290, this is a very interesting clip, 290 to 1 and then it goes to the Senate. Hey darling. And then the Senate. There's 50 in there. Right so the Senate and this is about giving the giving Congress subpoena power to investigate BP. and Transocean everything else and they invoked the finally you're seeing the rule invoked which is the big joke of the American government so the way it works if you want to bring a bill to the floor

1:51:54 Both sides have to agree and and all the and so if the Democrats bring a bill to the floor and the Republicans want to block it this is what everyone's talking about they're using you know procedural measures procedures and block legislation all they have to do is say We object and then it doesn't come to the floor both both sides have to agree so the Democrats can do this as well obviously when they've done it and Of course they've done it. It's kind of a ridiculous thing. One guy representing the entire Republican Party can say we object and the bill does not come to the floor. So this bill which passed the House is brought to the floor of the Senate and well have a listen.

1:52:33 Madam President, I ask unanimous consent that the Judiciary Committee be discharged of S. 3462, a bill to provide subpoena power to the National Commission on the British Petroleum Oil Spill in the Gulf of Mexico, and that the Senate then proceed to its consideration. Is there objection? On behalf of other members of the Republican Conference, I object. So that's it, that's all he has to say. Denied, it doesn't come to the floor. So she tries another one. Objection is heard. Madam President, I ask unanimous consent the Senate proceed to the immediate consideration of calendar number 442HR5481, a bill to give subpoena power to the National Commission on the BP Deepwater Horizon Oil Spill and Offshore Drilling. That the bill be read a third time and passed, and the motion to consider be laid upon the table with no intervening action or debate. This is legislation that passed the House

1:53:32 420 to 1. Is there objection? On behalf of other members of the Republican conference, I object. And now she goes ballistic. Objection is heard. Now she goes crazy. Madam President, I... The senator from New Hampshire. I don't understand what is so objectionable. In the House, 169 Republicans voted in favor of giving the Presidential Commission subpoena power. They understand how important that is because this commission begins their investigation in the next few weeks. This should not be a partisan issue. I don't understand why my colleagues on the other side of the aisle are... So this is what's interesting.

1:54:16 Immediately it's turned in, it's like a script. I swear to God it's like a script. It's like someone said, okay we've got to make everyone pissed off again so why don't we do this? Why don't we have this bill introduced, have the Republicans deny it and then come out and say the Republicans are with the big oil companies. It's like a script and literally it follows that script and by the way I don't understand why would anyone object besides the fact that everyone who objects to oil companies gets killed like Ted Stevens which might be the message. Maybe these Republicans are going holy crap, I don't want to be a part of that. I can't fly anymore if I vote for this thing. Turning this into a partisan issue. I find it unbelievable that

1:54:59 that after everything the people of the Gulf region have endured and that this entire country has witnessed for over two months now, that anyone is still standing with the oil company that caused this disaster instead of the victims who are suffering from it. I hope the American people understand If this is a... Now she brings in some other dude and it just goes on and on. And he's just like, what are they hiding? And I don't understand it myself. Why would they kill? Why would they kill the subpoena power? Why do they do that? Besides... There's something else in there we have to go do some research to find out now. By the way, it's 435. We should always know that number. Yes, we should know that number. Of House of Representatives and 100 obviously from 50 states in the Senate. In the Senate, yeah. 435. We should just have it. I don't know why we don't know that.

1:55:47 dumb yes it is so uh... anyway the point is is that yeah yeah i know that this is a big bitch and moan that this obama and other blocking everything you know they can change the rules in a heartbeat all we have to do is just say let's change the rules yeah because they you know you know i don't think you need sixty to change the rules i think it which is another rule they can change but they won't do it because they're both sides are being that the whole operations corrupt but it would be nice if they explained it Yeah, no they don't. It's just... I don't know. I mean it's possible that they think that somebody's just gonna go nuts with subpoenas. Yeah, but still, you know, it seems like bad PR to do this. Yeah, I know, it does seem like bad PR and I'm not absolutely sure what the deal is. I mean it could be your theory that they're afraid of getting killed, but... Well, they seem to... People who object to the oil companies do have a habit of dying.

1:56:49 Yeah, yes, it's definitely a possible. Can I just say Steve Jobs? I hate your safari 5.1. It sucks monkey balls Are they washed monkey balls? I still can't find that commercial. I really wish I could it was funny It was like some doctor and it was a real product, but but now my web browser I was on it and they ran on April 1st, right? No, no, no, it was real product. But my I had other stories I had stories about the egg safety org Maybe I can open it up But Safari is like just totally freaking out. Yeah, egg safety dot org. Go there John because this of course is brought to you by the United Egg Producers and it's really nice and United Egg Producers are basically a bunch of guys who are pretending to be small farmers but when you go look at their farms, there's no pictures of the of the of the hens. They just it's a story of a family

1:57:47 You're like, hi, we've been raising chickens for a hundred years. Yeah, because the beaks are cut off, the chickens are jammed and shitting on each other. It's terrible. That's right. The beaks are cut off. You're right. That's absolutely right. And they have, they've got videos about how good they are. And it just becomes so incredibly clear that this is all about pushing the little farmers out and moving the big chicken producers in. Let me see. There was some video. Farm to table. United Egg Producers are certified! And it's like they got... Look at these two jabronis. Hello, I'm Bob Krause and this is my wife Sally. Fifth generation egg farmers. ...to our family egg farm in the upper Midwest. Our family's been farming in this community since 1875. You gotta see this video because... So they set it all up, you know, it's like, what is it, Ezra and what's the Pitchfork duo? Yeah, the American Gothic? Yes, exactly.

1:58:43 And they set it up and it's just like, oh, we're a little family here. And then you see these chickens all in cages and... Oh, but they've got ventilation. You see a big fan blowing. And they've got sufficient sunlight. You see a window. It's really, really sad. And it's just like, oh, UEPC certified. You need to have the good eggs. You can't have eggs that have poop on them. That would be bad. Everybody go ahead and learn about egg safety. Yeah, we're going to end up with a situation and you out there who listen to this show in rural communities, you're not going to be hearing this on anybody else's show by the way, you out there in rural communities, there's going to be some USDA or some other creep in the government driving down the street saying eggs for sale? Who pulls in and says you don't have a license to sell that dozen eggs from your own chickens? This picture you sent me of the poor chicken with his beak cut off which they do to combat cannibalism.

1:59:46 It says here, they even say it, they have a whole thing in their FAQs. Well you know these chickens, they're really nuts man, they're trying to eat each other. So we gotta chop their beaks off. It's sad, it's just sad. The whole thing is to break down the little guy, he was exactly right, screw him. and they talk about here's a another photo we gotta send a link to i don't want to show the this is a photo of one of the farms this one has one two three four five six seven layers at least that i can see uh... of chickens

2:00:27 on essentially on top of each other laying eggs on a conveyor belt and pooping on each other. Yeah, you know this is just disgusting. What is beak trimming? UEP certified guidelines recommend beak trimming for cage and cage free production. only when necessary to prevent feather pecking and cannibalism and only when carried out by properly trained and monitored personnel. Some of the advantages of beak trimming include reduced pecking, reduced feather pulling, reduced cannibalism, better feather condition, less fearfulness, less nervousness, less chronic stress and decreased mortality. It gives you better eggs. It's unbelievable. Cannibalism. Why do you think they're eating each other? Because they're freaking out.

2:01:11 That and the sick of the food they're getting fed. You ever see American eggs are the worst in the world. The yolks are so tasteless and light-colored, they've actually gotten to the point where they've tried to educate the public. I have had people say, oh, there's something wrong with that eggs, the yolks are too dark. That's actually what you want. You want a dark egg? Yeah, totally. If you get a really light yellow egg, that's because they're fed all kinds of crap. Right, it's just not even producing that thing. You can even hatch that egg if you wanted to. Anyway, it's all part of the Codex Alimentarius. Enjoy. I made a bearnaise sauce yesterday with a couple of course and you know real chicken eggs Of course you did the the difference I did the difference between a bearnaise sauce and made with French butter and real chicken eggs and the ones that you would make from some Safeway eggs It's like night and day day. Absolutely, John. I where our time is up I do want to get out of here and I want to do it with some

2:02:15 And now, back to Real News. But it makes me even happier when I know that Playboy model Carissa Shannon has confirmed she has a sex tape with her and Heidi Montag and Vivid Entertainment is now in negotiations to release that. That is going to be one hot video. I'm very happy about that. It just makes me smile. I'm glad. Thank you entertainment industry for doing something good. More good work. It's just two girls going at it. There's nothing like it.

2:03:03 With a camera on them and of course they're not hamming it up at all no no no no and they've douched with summer's Eve It makes me happy makes me happy remind everybody Dvorak org slash na take part in our show become a producer Support the show where you're our only hope To continue now. Did you have a comedic clip you wanted to end with now the can eat the comedic clip was the briefcase? That was oh sorry ha ha ha ha ha I do want to remind everyone who's listening live at noagendastream.com which by the way is on 24 hours a day. It has the Dvorak interludes. Time for a new one, John. It has a Dvorak Horowitz unplugged daily source code which is an average of three hours each program for the FUBAR Friday. We play some of the greatest music and good clips of other stuff and people seem to be enjoying that. That's all part of the support or

2:03:58 The support that you give us helps towards sustaining the stream. So if you're listening live, I will be on Twit today, which is in no small part thanks to you, John, as well as the producers who incessantly hounded Leo to let me be on. It's going to be an interesting show. We've got Kevin Rose will be on, I'll be on, and Scoble will be on. Oops. All we needed was Jason Calacanis and it would have been complete. So, uh... Rose has a tendency to bail out. He might, he might. But I think it's going to be really... I've got some interesting... Well, you'll be doing all the talking because Kevin won't say anything about anything anymore. Well, I've learned that, you know, especially with a Twit audience, you want to hold back a little bit. You don't want to be hogging the mic. So, I'll just hang back. But I've got some interesting takes on, for instance, the Paul Allen lawsuit. So, I will look out for that. I have a contrarian view.

2:05:01 also you're not gonna bring it on our show and you're gonna do use it on twit you want me to you want me to know that you're going to do it you know it's about later you it's probably inaccurate anyway it's a really good given away the store to the other shows the problem do you want me to do it here i'll be happy to know i'm just a this is the kind of crap i have to take from you when i do this show but i'm asking you honestly would you like me to say to tell you now i want to hear i would be surprised i want to hear what the reaction of these guys I'm sure it'd be interesting. Because the reason why I wanted to do it, see if I, I think Leo listens to the show so I don't want him to be to be prepared and what I was thinking was you know I'd lay out this... He's now dogging the article he shouldn't have said anything. No no he won't, no that's impossible you can't dog that's the that's the top news of the week you can't dog that. Top news of the week.

2:05:51 But my whole plan was... You're getting a lot of flack for it, I can tell you that. So my whole plan is I set up this contrarian view and then I say, you know, these are the kinds of things you'll hear on no agenda. And I think we'll pick up two people. I think anybody who listens to Twit that's not listening to No Agenda, I mean, for one thing, we're only going to pick up people with a certain... We're not going to get all these, you know, these kind of progressives. Very few of them listen to our show. Well, it's worth it. It has a huge audience and I get lots of email from people saying, you know, I heard John talking about No Agenda on Twit and now I'm a fan. So it does work. But I think we've got all we can get.

2:06:31 We'll see we'll see I'll keep a close eye on the numbers knock them dead as I said well. I'll do my best righto so Coming to you from the hilltop watchtower crackpot command center and get mo nation west in the People's Republic of Southern, California I am a member of the Citizen Corps. My name is Adam Curry. He was a former Soviet spy too, but he seems to have forgotten. And I'm coming from Northern Silicon Valley and want to remind everybody to go to noagendashow.com, dvorak.org, slash NA and channeldvorak.com, slash NA and give us some support this week. I'm John C. Dvorak. We will talk to you again on Thursday right here on No Agenda.

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