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00:00 Death by hooker. Well, at least we're getting creative. Adam Curry, John C. Dvorak. It's Sunday, August 15th, 2010, time for your Gitmo Nation media assassination episode 226. This is no agenda. We're winning! Not a con trail in the sky for weeks! No more flying! Coming to you from the hilltop watchtower crackpot command center in Gitmo Nation West in the People's Republic of Southern California in the morning. I'm the former Soviet spy known as Adam Curry. I'm John C. Dvorak. Yeah, well I didn't ask for that. I did an awesome day. It is foggy and cold again. This is the worst summer in the history of northern Silicon Valley. It's been bad in Southern California as well, but today is another beautiful day. It's a, but last night it was cold. You know we, we went out to see. Oh brr, I bet you it was freezing. It was freezing. We had to. I spent as low as 60. We had to turn the fire pit on.

01:17 We went out to see Billy Idol with Bobby Eden. He's still alive? Dude, not only is he alive, the guy looks amazing. 54 and he's cut. He's probably sobered up. Oh yeah, oh no, he's got his shit together. But it was a great show at the Palladium, which is, I don't know, what was the Mickey, like 800 people maybe? Something like that, yeah. More? Yeah, how many people? No, not thousands. Did you sing Catch My Fall? Sorry? Never mind. I guess I miss that but you white wedding. Did you do white? Yeah, of course you did white wedding. You know was great as Steve Stevens Plays guitar with him and Steve Stevens is probably as big a superstar as Billy Idol and He was just amazing. I haven't been to a concert in a long time. I was like, I'll be wear ear protection

02:07 That's what I thought yeah, but anyway Bobby says hi and She's coming by to do a special daily source code This is a programming note special daily source code on Wednesday in the hot tub and she expects you to join John Yeah, I'll be right down She said we can get the booby prize Since the Netherlands lost from Perk, there's probably not a bad prize Yeah Yeah, so alright anyway that's a programming note that will be broadcast live on the noagenda stream.com and of course the party is always is at noagendachat.net and I have to tell you that Eric the shill is skyping you with the effing XLS.

02:57 So what is this different? I don't know because you don't have it the other one came up, so I'm fine. Okay. Well do we have any? Executive producers to thank for supporting the bunch actually oh, that's nice Let me read a few of them off here of course now. I'm getting another spreadsheet I don't know if it's any different, but let's start with Paul couture who's knighted himself Well, he was already Sir Paul Couture. Well, he's a double knight now. Maybe he's got, okay, well he was a, now he's a, let's make him, he was the Knights of the No Agenda Roundtable, so now he's in Order of the Mint. So he's got two different Sir Sir Paul Couture statuses. Sir Sir, yes. How does that work in England when you have the Order of the Bath or whatever it is? The Order of the Bath!

03:43 I think you get to blow Charles. Can you get two? I don't think you can get two. No, no, they have Order of the British Empire and then you have an Outstanding Citizen and then you have, there's a couple different ones. You can essentially. There's not just those three. No, there's a whole bunch of them, but there's a different level. Can you get more than one? Yes, of course, of course. You can start at the bottom with like an OBE and then you can work your way up. To an actual knighthood. To what? King? No, yeah, the king! Yeah, exactly. Basically with the way Paul Couture is going we're gonna have to give him the show. King Couture! Yeah that of course is from the noagendafans.com coin challenge and they're sold out all 500 gone.

04:32 Yeah, this is awesome. That's good news for everybody we also had anyway, so he's executive producer. We also have one two three four other executive producers Okay, I'm sorry no three Matthew Moss from Long Beach, California gave us 370 250 with like with a note cursing us For using PayPal and so how do I not use PayPal on my next donation? I sent him an email about how I can mail in a check. Right. Nobody steals the fees. Charles Jordan, Milwaukee, Wisconsin, 33333 is on his way to knighthood. I don't think he's achieved it yet. And then we have some people did mail in a check including Dave in Vegas. Wait a minute, hold on. Charles Jordan. Oh, I have a note here.

05:19 That is actually his third installment for knighthood and he wants to gift the knighthood to his wife Carol so she can be a dame of the roundtable. She's a huge fan. He says I owe her a ring and we need more women at the table. Hear hear! Hear hear. Yeah, we've always said that. So that will be Carol Jordan. uh... and then we have a uh... david vegas who sent in a check for four seventeen thirty three dave in vegas yeah david vegas which is what he wants because they've been vegas okay cool and that that includes a three thirty three uh... thirty three donation plus a six x amount of money for each show that we've done in the past that which came out the four seventeen thirty three so thank you david vegas and then uh... we have one two three

06:13 associates? Yeah, three associate executive producers and that includes Robert Majors from Lake Forest Park, Washington. I was an internet audio video communications director for the orchestral recording of The Spy Next Door with Jackie Chan. Will get my IMDB listing going with that plus the no agenda executive producer absolutely It's a real credit so you get on that IMDB you can throw all kinds of yeah But this is an important credit, and it's real very good one is I think I put it above the Jackie Chan I think in the order of things yes, I concur

06:52 Brian Kaufman, Tempe, Arizona, $200. This is Karma for myself. Today's my last day at my engineering job. I start law school at Arizona State ASU, party school. Next Thursday, the 19th, I'm now 600 over 1,000 for my knighthood. I'll try to finish before long, but the money might be tight. I would think so. Although Arizona State's a good place. And then finally, Mark Wilson of Glasgow, Scotland. I'm sorry, Mark? Wilson. Wilson, yeah. $200 of which also came in by by pigeon Fabulous. Well, that's very nice a couple of extra mentions some PR mentions briefly

07:37 After all of that crap that we went through, one of our other producers, Pedro Dos Santos, was able without a problem to get a no agenda... Oh man, my... everything's freaked out here. I feel like I've got a million things going off at the same time. Pedro Dos Santos, producer, was able to get a no agenda app in the Nokia Ovi store without any permission from us whatsoever. So yeah, yeah, this sounds like they got their act together doesn't it? Yeah, okay anyway, so it's in there and that'll work on if you go to the OV store And it actually comes up and it'll work on your phone, and there's a whole bunch of other stuff that they do so anyway Apparently they have some platforms that won't work on yeah, but on the newer phones. I guess it's gonna be okay And I guess one of the platforms that won't work on is what's the e900?

08:30 Which means that all five people that have that phone Won't be able to listen to the show. Yeah crap No agenda words comm is up and running as I already predicted on the previous show. That's great Entries so that's now in the links that rock and then I just I guess we have to give a giant shout out to the guy who caused us to receive the most email because he actually did us a favor this guy who Drove around the United States and pinpointed GPS points to create this read a and Rand Signal that shows up on on Google Earth, and I mean that much by the way heading out today By Ayn Rand

09:22 and you're gonna drive it? I'm heading out today to do the same thing but it's gonna spell out no agenda. But it'll only be in Berkeley. So no, I'm heading out. I'm gonna take off right after the show. and see how far I get. You know we could easily do this, we have producers in all 50 states. In fact we could do it across the entire globe if you think about it. And if people could coordinate that into like no agenda GPS bat signal dot com. I don't know, you know somebody's gonna have to work on the technology for that because here's the deal. that guy has a single you know his he he essentially it's his signal and so he would go and tag the GPS system in all these different spots to spell out the wordage. But you can't just have anybody I mean any because everybody's tagging the GPS system constantly to coordinate it so that so it actually spells something. It has to be the exact same phone or GPS device. No it doesn't have to be that way. There's no other way of having the Google Earth thing show up that way.

10:20 No, but it's just the KML file. Everyone can collect the coordinates and take pictures along their route and then someone else can just assemble it all and put it all together. That would work. I'd like to see that. That's not the way he did it. No, I know it's not the way he did it, but it's the way we could do it. We could have enough producers go to certain points, tag it, and then have it spell no agenda in the morning and have it circumvent the globe so we can top this guy. Well, we could the circumvention idea like so it's all over. Yeah, so it's all around the middle of the ocean So we would like to thank sir Paul couture in the order of the mint Matthew Moss Carol Jordan Dave in Vegas as our executive producers and our associate executive producers Robert majors Brian Kaufman and Mark Wilson This is a real credit you are now the producers and associate executive producer the executive producers and associate executive producers of no agenda

11:13 Episode 226 display it proudly. It's a real credit and we will vouch for you everybody else out there Including the chat room gotta go and propagate the formula formula is this We go out we hit people in the mouth And I apologize to some of the fans of the duck call. Yeah, where is the duck call? Because I seem to have misplaced the duck call. Did you leave it up north? No, I didn't take it out of the house. I put it down somewhere and now I don't know where it is. Speaking of up north, by the way, it looks like Bill Gates' dad is now on a crusade to get a 5% state income tax in Washington state.

12:10 this is going to go over to all of the people of the way he is because he's one of the few people who can afford it she had a lot of questions states one of the states that is a uh... personal income tax haven yeah that's why you're up there and income tax uh... we were taxed to death as it is so uh... this idiot wants to uh... add a personal income tax in the state of washington and hopefully they'll be rejected soundly by the public in anyone who votes for it and if in the legislature will vote these people out of office immediately Well, I don't know. He said he should be rebuked. It's easy for him to be able to pay an extra 5%. What does that mean, rebuked? It's a downturn if he hasn't noticed or maybe he hasn't. Wait a minute, rebuked. This is a good one for noagendawords.com. What does rebuked mean? Told to stuff it. Definition of rebuked. Told to stuff it. Nice.

13:05 Yeah, well I thought that was interesting because I know I'm sure you should be shunned Bain. He's Bain forever You know it's really interesting that these rich guys Especially with the multi-billionaire sons can you know? Demand more taxation on the rest of us and and think that they you know above everybody else It's unbelievable to me that I mean the nerve of the guy yeah, it's pretty amazing right and Yeah, it's pretty amazing. Yeah, why does he just shut up? Slave There's a picture of him in the Wall Street Journal, too. He looks just like Bill jr. Only only older bills actually looks starting to look more like him. Yeah Yeah, so it's a it's a old for rich people John. Don't worry about it 5% tax rate on incomes above $200,000 or 400,000 for married couples

14:00 and would climb to 9% That's not ultra-rich. Hey, if the government worker average pay is $125,000 bucks, get a clue. Yeah, you're pretty unhappy about that, aren't you? Unless you're making over half a million dollars a year, you're not making really much money. You're just getting by. I did not hear of the Dvorak Horowitz Unplugged show and maybe this news came out after you did it. Did you guys do one on Tuesday? No, we did it Wednesday. Okay. Did you get the Hindenburg Omen news in there? No. Do you know what this is about? No. Oh, well, I'm sure you guys will be talking about it.

14:41 This is now everywhere, Wall Street Journal, everyone's talking about this. This is the so-called Hindenburg Omen, named after the famous German airship that crashed in Lakers, New Jersey in 1937. It's a technical indicator that foreshadows not just a bear market but a stock market crash. And this was created by a blind mathematician, his name is Jim Mika. And this indicator is now predicting a market meltdown for September. And it's like there's five criteria that are supposed to be met for this Hindenburg Omen. See the daily number of the New York Stock Exchange new 52-week highs and the daily number of the 52-week lows both have to be greater than 2.2% of the total issues traded that day. It's all these technical things.

15:35 uh... small and and and i'm not and you can look at it in the show notes to see all these five indicators but includes like the mcclellan oscillator has to be made on the same things you know this is actually good news because every the more people come out talk about the thing correct collapsing the less likely it is to happen though that's what i was going to ask you get that's what i was gonna ask you and and but i just find the whole the whole association with the hindenburg So amazing because and John you you're old enough to remember this. Oh, yeah I remember the Hindenburg crashing. This is the 20. It's a famous. It's a famous piece of journalism history and listen to it Here comes Holdings

16:28 There it is. Oh, the humanity! There is a cleaned up version of that clip. Yeah, I'm sure. That you could actually understand. Well, it'll sound much better on the podcast than through Skype, okay? I'm wondering. By the way, you're going public. What, to Hindenburg? Yeah, no, Skype. Skype is filed to go public. Oh yeah, this is the beginning of the end. What are we gonna do? I don't know. I guess we'll have to get real tin cans. This is bad.

17:25 This is really, really bad. Yeah, you know, as soon as they go public, well actually, here's what my guess is. They're going to go public and then they're going to find some way to make it fee-based and if the fees are reasonable, it'll probably cut down on the number of users and maybe improve the quality. Well, I think we should look at if, I wonder if they've already filed their S-1. If they filed their S-1, then we can look at what the business case is going to be and how they're going to convince potential investors that this is a good deal. Meanwhile Rupert Murdoch is suing them. He says that they can't use the word sky Because sky is a part of the word Skype what? He has be sky be right that's his that's his his satellite Yes, guy services, and it's a yes, so he's he's in like the dish network again, so he's in a legal battle and

18:20 Claiming that he owns the sky part of the word Skype. It's good, right? What is he crazy? Who came up with that idea? I don't know He's probably really worried that there's gonna be some consumer confusion between B sky B and Skype. Yeah Besides that how can you copyright or trademark the word sky? Well, there's a lot of weird trade let's do a trademark on the word the Yeah, well, there's you know, uh triple what was it triple three peat? What was it? Uh, that was copyrighted There's a lot of words that are copyrighted. You can't use a lot of weird stuff. Hey, so they have filed their s1 Uh, but it's in the uh, it's the uh, it's in the european union So I wonder what they're gonna float it on. What's it? Will it be the london stock market? No, probably. I don't know. Hmm That could be like, you know, like a really dodgy ipo. It's not it may not be a real one one of those like pink slip things

19:23 Not sure. So what do we have for news this week? There's not a lot going on. No, there's tons of stuff going on. I got some kind of real news. And now, back to real news. A big flap about Dr. Laura. Who I've never listened to nor would I ever. I've listened to her numerous times because she's on the radio and I listen to everything to see what I keep in touch with the context in the American psyche. Well this was pointed out to me by my new friend Annie Duke, poker player extraordinaire. By the way, I think you'd like Dr. Laura and anyone who's ever listened to her will get it and think that's hilarious.

20:05 I think I actually might like her because there's this... well I have an audio clip and actually John I made clips for this episode. Oh so we don't have to listen to pre-rolls and stuff? No we don't have to listen to you complaining about pre-rolls. So she gets a phone call and this is going to turn into a national conversation you watch. She gets a phone call from a woman who is I think she's married to a black man, she's white. And the following conversation ensues. That was funny. How about the n-word? So the n-word's been thrown around. Black guys use it all the time. Turn on HBO, listen to a black comic and all you hear is nigger nigger nigger. I don't get it. If anybody, if anybody without enough melanin says it, it's a horrible thing. So that's how it starts off and then she goes to commercial break because of course, you know, this is mainstream media so how can you, how can you continue a thought? But she comes back and then it just goes from

21:22 One it just it just gets you the hole gets deeper. You're talking to Jade What did you think about during the break by the way? I'm a little caught back by the in word that you skewed out I have to be honest with you, but my point is race relations Oh, then I guess you don't watch HBO or listen any black comedians, but that doesn't make it right I mean race is my dear my daughter and a point I'm trying to make another level that's unacceptable Yeah, we got a black man as president and we have more complaining about racism than ever. I mean, I think that's hilarious So far I'm liking what she's saying. Yeah, and it's funny because you're right. I think she's she's saying some really Some stuff that's on a lot of people's minds today Yes, but I think honestly because there's more white people afraid of a black man taking over the name

22:11 the name of the free-to-be honest about it here they are all the time and only twelve percent of the population's black white hillary shannon it wasn't the other way people did it how can i get out there are a lot of chip on your shoulder i can't do much about that and i think you have too much sensitivity to a greater and not enough sense of humor but depends how it's sad it'll be a little katey say that worded ever okay it's not work it depends how it's sad Black guys talking to each other seem to think it's okay. But you're not black. They're not black. Oh, I see. So a word is restricted to race. Got it.

22:50 Can't do much about that. I can't believe someone like you is on the radio spewing out the nigger word and I hope everybody heard it. I didn't spew out the nigger word. Nigger, nigger, nigger. Right. I said that's what you hear. Everybody heard it. Yes they did. I hope everybody heard it. They did and I'll say it again. Nigger, nigger, nigger is what you hear on HB... Why don't you let me finish a sentence? It just goes on. She keeps saying it over and over again. And it's great, and by the way, niggers should definitely be in noagenderwords.com with the correct definition. And I gotta tell you, John, I agree with her. This has bothered me for a long time. People from outside the United States, and I deem myself to be somewhat of a Euro-American, don't understand how a word can be banned that way.

23:37 Well, you know, that's interesting because it became an issue with, and in fact I have a clip of all things. Schlesinger's got herself in trouble a number of times. And in fact, one of the times it got so bad that she basically was going to be taken completely off the air. And a woman who was a talk show host down in Southern California... And by the way, when I play this clip people are going to go, oh these guys are rehearsing the show. Which clip is it? the tammy bruce clip uh... so we're not rehearsing the show i have not with tammy bruce i have to say because just coincidence i have never clipped addresses there is no there's nothing called tammy bruce here so just saying that it's with the now clip ok so uh... tammy bruce was that one of the executives at now the national organization for women and she quit in a half

24:28 and that we we play some clips from this interview once before months and months ago but she quit in a half over two or three incidents that happened to her one was and she explains it in here and one of them involved laura schlesinger and her uh... wanting to do it with her free speech issues and i think it may be we should play that clip and we can see the world how this is a good evolving okay which spurred of course uh... my second book the death right wrong about a year and a half later Yeah, so talk radio up until now, left NOW, the National Organization for Women in 1997. How did you get though from NOW to being a conservative author? You know, it was really a fight within the National Organization for Women during the OJ Simpson trial.

25:16 I saw that, I think as most Americans did, and certainly as an activist feminist at the time about the importance of the issue of domestic violence, which is colorblind. Women don't notice the complexion of the fist heading toward their face. And it was an issue that had been really ignored because it wasn't sexy. It was difficult sometimes to find for the press the victim sympathetic. So we finally had a attention. And it started to move that it was an issue of race, which of course was obscene and was an insult to every woman who faces this at all. all races and ethnicities. And so that became an internal fight. And I realized that something had happened, that when I was being asked by the national office to retreat on that issue, that the issues of race were more important. You know, there's a lot of organizations that deal with race in the country, and that's an important issue. But my job was to deal with issues of women.

26:13 all women that fit within that envelope. And so that was a wake-up call. In addition to the attacks on Laura Schlesinger, I noticed an interesting trend to this demand for surrender and retreat, a demand in general socially for people not to speak up. And on my issues, you know, look, I think dealing with violence against women is nonpartisan. was always a little bit of a thorn in the side in now because my politics really where I thought we should organize ourselves out of business and another click for me was when I was told by my mentor now that it was important to rub salt into the wound so that we would always be needed. That wasn't my method. My method was success. So I realized I could do more

26:59 on the issues that matter to me by being outside of the organization, that I could be freer to speak my mind, and that certainly ended up being the case. So the Laura Schlesinger initial thing that she got involved with was apparently Schlesinger said something about gay women or something that got everybody worked up, very similar to the situation occurring now. And Tammy Bruce is a lesbian. She's a not, she's a, you know, she's a, she says she's a lesbian. She's, you know, she's not like a hidden lesbian. Is she hot? she's she's in kind of a uh... a lesbian kind of way. A Berkeley lesbian kind of way. She has unwashed hair. She's not a bad looking woman. So anyway, so she came out, so she had to, she defended Schlesinger because it's a free speech issue and this is going on, I mean this is again a free speech issue. Now that said,

27:56 You know, it's one of those things like the mosque in New York. It's just one of these things that's okay. It just triggers a lot of stuff. Schlesinger's in for a shitstorm here. Well, she already came out and apologized. She came out and said, oh, you know what? She'll get kicked off the air. The sponsors will close down her show. This is one of the problems of course with commercial broadcasting. Exactly. Which we talk about every so often. We can do whatever we want. I mean, if people, I mean we get a lot of nasty notes occasionally. Yeah, from time to time. How come they're always directed at me?

28:32 well that we're for good reason yeah the uh... the point is is that we you know don't have a sponsor that can pull the plug on the show we all we have to do is either ignore the nasty notes are we can apologize or we can say you know a lot of the and we don't need centrally the listeners are the sponsors and so if they say stuff they complain to us in their and their big their uh... big sponsors and others a they contribute a lot we tend to probably will apologize very quickly but it's not the same as apologizing to somebody who's selling cars or selling drugs. We have conversations all the time with our listeners one guy was offended about something I said about the apparently gay flight attendant who pulled the chute

29:17 And you know, what's interesting is you shoot him an email back and he's like, well, you know, hey, you got a point there and actually that'll come up later in our knighting of Dame Carol Jordan. He said, well, there's a couple of things I'd like to point out and then it usually turns out okay. People are reasonable. Yeah, well we do communicate with our listeners in a very common way. We don't get back to everybody but we get back to a heck of a lot more people than almost anybody else doing this kind of show. but anyway so that this is a kind of a interesting thing this cami bruce is a very interesting uh... which is an interesting person as a former now uh... i'm out lesbian uh... and a concert conservative talk show host a combination is good one is hard to argue against the good ones as it's like well you know your perspectives as is this a weird perspective to take a i think it might think on the conservative side and there's a lot more people that are uh... uh...

30:14 have reasonable discussion points than you see on the liberal side, which is very knee-jerk and the whole thing. It's very depressing to listen to Tom Hartman, for example. I mean, Thaum, sorry. Thaum Hartman is very hard to listen to because he makes you cringe that he's just going, you know, it's more than just talking points. It's like a litany. that they stick to and it's weird. Well there's some but there is something going on I guess on the conservative side which you know Glenn Beg you brought up the the mosque by the way this is very interesting how this is propagating throughout the United States of Europe people are emailing me and we talked about this a lot you know months ago I think when that when it first came to committee in New York to build this mosque slash community center. Yeah we talked about it immediately. Yeah and like oh whatever you know

31:05 This is crazy, but it's all right. But in Europe they're like, wow, we can't believe this. This is an outrage. You know, the place where the Muslims... and it's like, wow. I mean, it's one thing to say there are a bunch of terrorists, which of course we know it was all an inside job, but that doesn't matter. The story is it was a bunch of terrorists with box cutters who did amazing things with airplanes. But you know, but to say oh it's Muslims and what a slap in the face to have a mosque at ground zero. So Glenn Beck goes on the... What is the name of that show? It's like Red Light or something at night on Fox. It's like a talk show. It's on like after midnight. Yeah, nobody watches it. Nobody watches it except me. I do... You're staying up too late. Yeah, well I watch a billion... Well, you know... Can I play a little clip?

31:56 Yeah, play. Okay, this is uh... This is Beck? This is Beck with a guy from Red Eye, I think it's called. Did you get a recorder? Why are you having all these clips now? Because I was tired of myself. How are you doing it? Do you have a recorder? Yeah, it's called the iPhone. Did you get an H2 or what did you do? No, I just used the iPhone. The iPhone 4 is pretty outstanding when it comes to this stuff now. Thank you Steve Jobs. And the author of the Bible of unspeakable truths. I guess he... yeah, okay. Which you have to read. It's laugh out loud funny. Okay, so, Frank. Yes? Give me your proposal.

32:33 Well, you know, I was thinking, I went on to their website, the Cordoba House website. It's a lovely website and they talk about preaching tolerance and communication. And I thought, how interesting is it that they're preaching tolerance and communication to Americans? Wouldn't it be great to test their tolerance? So I figured, let's open an Islam-friendly gay bar next door to the mosque. That's my proposal. So that by itself is like, okay, ha ha ha. But then they go off, John, and they start coming up with names for the gay bar? It's just like, whoa. I'm sticking by it. I'm not a good businessman, and I'm a terrible activist, but this might be the greatest idea I've ever had. But you are very, very funny. Yeah. So are you... Am I joking? I mean, yeah, what I'm saying is, well, give me some of the names of the... Well, I like, um... I like G-Hot.

33:24 Jihad or g-hunk have an infidelicious Or turban cowboy cowboy My favorite what? Suspicious packages. Yes, that's a nice one. Yeah, that's funny shit, man That I mean they wrote they wrote some good stuff there There's a couple more Ramadam There are other ones that I don't think I should mention. You mecca me hot? Yes! I mean, it's like, so are we just out and out gonna go insult everybody now? We got niggers, we got gay Muslims, it's like, whoa, this is like, who wrote the memo and what exactly did it say? What are we supposed to be doing here?

34:09 I don't know, it's interesting that this would be going on. This has to do with the suppression of free speech and it's starting to crop up, the resistance to it is cropping up in all sorts of ways because essentially we've been... Butt bomber! I'm sorry, John, the chat room is doing some names. Butt bomber! G-Fabulous! That's crazy. Okay. The fact is we don't have a First Amendment anymore. You can't do this, you can't do that. You can't say this, you can't say that. In fact, they have another clip on there which has to do with this.

34:49 if I could figure out which one it is. Yeah, it's free speech I bet, right? Yeah, that would be it. We might as well just play that just to keep staying in the mood. The result of that would be you get five years for arson. And what is this? Where is this from? This is a guy talking about his book, which is... I don't know what the hell book it is, but it just mentions a friend of his who used to be an eco-terrorist and now he gets thrown in jail for just speaking. And is this on C-SPAN? Yeah, C-SPAN. The result of that would be you get five years for arson and under those current laws back at that time, he got caught and he did exactly five years for arson and he got out. It was a calculation on his part.

35:28 He didn't know that somewhere down the line there could be a terrorism enhancement on something like that that could put you in jail basically for life. But also he didn't know that about 15 years, 20 years later he was making a speech in San Diego and someone asked him a question about how he used to make his incendiaries. And this is a guy who now has two kids and he's kind of on a lecture circuit and he's doing his thing. And he answered the question and they got him for that. And they tried to get him for 18 years for terrorism for answering the question because it's now, you know, I guess you have to watch what you say. It was about a very little known law about teaching people to make incendiaries.

36:07 And they didn't get him for the 18 years, but they did get him to take a plea and he did a year and a day. So, you know, as far as how it's affecting people are really very confused because, you know, there may not be the political will to make some of these big changes that we talked about. There's plenty of political will to go after targeted people like anarchists and eco-radicals because it sends a message, you know, that these are not the ways that we should be doing these things. But we've got to be careful about how far that can be pushed. I want to point one thing out besides this situation with this guy who got thrown in jail for a year for just talking. And people go, well it's 9-11, it's the Patriot Act. This began way before 9-11. I remember, and you probably can recall this incident, that a

36:56 A Russian kid, speaking at one of the conferences around 98-99, came out and discussed, reverse-engineered some Adobe copy protection scheme and explained it to the audience. and he actually talked about it. I do remember this. All he did was talk about it and it resulted in him being arrested under some DMCA and he was thrown in jail for just talking about something and then he got out on bail and just headed out of the country and went to Russia and refused to return for good reason by the way anyone see what you here's a classic movie for the entertainment guys in their movie club I was a prisoner on a chain gang with Paul Muni in the 30s

37:49 And here's a guy, it's a great movie because it shows how the guy was railroaded and this Russian kid wasn't going to take any chances with this stupid system and he went back to Russia where he was safer than he would be here. Which is a disgusting concept. But the point is that all he did was talk. So our free speech is gone. People don't think so, they're crazy. Do you think maybe this is, here's just a wild theory. So we know that the Fairness Doctrine has been cropping up. the left, who of course, their talk shows and their radio, certainly on the radio, is just almost non-existent. And there's been a lot of talk, even from the White House, about, oh, we've got to put the fairness doctrine back into effect, which means you have to give equal air time on everything, literally everything you say, which is just ludicrous. I mean, you couldn't have a show anymore.

38:41 Do you think maybe the FCC ruling that essentially said, oh, you can use all kinds of expletive words after the watershed, which is after I think 10 p.m. Do you think they're trying to... Is it 10? I think it's 10 for generally, but it was always wide open after 11 or midnight. Yeah. Do you think maybe it's like, let them all go crazy. let them all say all these outrageous things and then you know then someone will you know it'll become public topic of discussion everyone's gonna be outraged by Dr. Laura saying nigger by this whole Glenn Beck you know gay thing which of course is patently offensive to homosexuals and Muslims alike and Muslims alike yeah yeah and and then we're gonna clamp down like this has gotten out of control we've got a we've got a put in regulation do you think that's possible

37:49 And here's a guy, it's a great movie because it shows how the guy was railroaded and this Russian kid wasn't going to take any chances with this stupid system and he went back to Russia where he was safer than he would be here. Which is a disgusting concept. But the point is that all he did was talk. So our free speech is gone. People don't think so, they're crazy. Do you think maybe this is, here's just a wild theory. So we know that the Fairness Doctrine has been cropping up. the left, who of course, their talk shows and their radio, certainly on the radio, is just almost non-existent. And there's been a lot of talk, even from the White House, about, oh, we've got to put the fairness doctrine back into effect, which means you have to give equal air time on everything, literally everything you say, which is just ludicrous. I mean, you couldn't have a show anymore.

38:41 Do you think maybe the FCC ruling that essentially said, oh, you can use all kinds of expletive words after the watershed, which is after I think 10 p.m. Do you think they're trying to... Is it 10? I think it's 10 for generally, but it was always wide open after 11 or midnight. Yeah. Do you think maybe it's like, let them all go crazy. let them all say all these outrageous things and then you know then someone will you know it'll become public topic of discussion everyone's gonna be outraged by Dr. Laura saying nigger by this whole Glenn Beck you know gay thing which of course is patently offensive to homosexuals and Muslims alike and Muslims alike yeah yeah and and then we're gonna clamp down like this has gotten out of control we've got a we've got a put in regulation do you think that's possible

39:32 I like it. And by the way, when people label me a conspiracy theorist, that's offensive to me too. You know, that has now become a bad word. So, you know, it's like everyone can be offended about something. Well, yeah, you can be offended about something. Everyone can. The conspiracy theorist thing has become a meme in the culture to marginalize anybody who has any thoughts that are outside of whatever's lockstep, what's in the checklist. And not just in our US culture. People in the Netherlands who I met in Bonaire said, oh you are a conspiracy theorist. I said yeah, that's what I am. So they already have the meme. It's spread worldwide. It's like, oh when you talk about things like, oh I don't know. Then you're a conspiracy theorist.

40:27 But you are. Well, alright, alright old man. I'll just be ageist on you. Old is what you are. Yeah, that's true. And you're an ageist too, you crumb. Yeah, that's what I just said. You wanna slam me? I'll slam you back. Ha! Puh! What are you slamming? You're not slamming... Oh, you're not... That's not... Yeah, when I say you're an old man? That's very rude. Let's put it this way. You're no Billy Idol, okay? So you have a crush on Billy Idol now is what you're telling me I have a crush on Steve Stevens He had this guitar that lit up. It was fucking awesome Never heard of the guy Steve Stevens. Oh my god. It's how he's a legend I've heard of Billy Idol of course Steve Stevens is amazing. He's a great guy. It was good, but and you've heard of Bobby Eden yeah She says some people were actually very angry

41:25 Very yeah, I was well. We're gonna talk about it in the hot tub on Wednesday. Yeah, so anyway. I have a just a fabulous little little ditty that I came across You filter that hot tub We cleansed it before we moved in I would cleanse it after if I were you so we go ahead so there's this the story on gizmodo Which actually was a rewrite of? from the Atlantic, the monthly magazine I guess. And so Gizmodo titled it, How Ankle Monitors Could Replace Prisons.

42:06 So it's like blah blah blah blah blah, you know all this stuff and they basically they just ripped off the Atlantic magazine which had an article called prison without walls which by the way shows you how lame Gizmodo is. They don't do their own reporting they just take someone else's reporting and Atlantic did some actual work here. Yeah it's called a blog. Yeah it's called a blog. There's another there's another swear word blogger you damn blogger it's like saying booger you damn blogger. So this is about the whole idea of ankle bracelets reducing and it's fantastic when you think about it John, when you think about the setup and then I'm gonna punch you, I'm gonna hit you right in the mouth with some great details. So of course we've got this prison system which is completely commercialized. It's you know it's great to throw people in jail because the jails get money per head but what if... And they also get to put people to work at no pay. This is slave labor. Yes well what if we could make it even a little bit better

43:03 And instead of having to go through the whole issue of taking care of these prisoners, these poor saps who are caught smoking weed. $20,000 a year typically. Yeah. But that's coming out of their bottom line. So why don't we just lock them up in their own home and use these bracelets for all these different crimes? Because this is not just about the scram bracelet. And so in this article, I find the name of the company, Buy Incorporated, which is just funny by itself, B-I. And they actually have the domain bi.com, which I can only imagine was a hot ticket to get buy.com. And you need to look at this website. Find company based in Colorado, I might point out.

43:50 These guys are amazing, John. They were incorporated in 1978 in Boulder, Colorado as an engineering and consulting firm and they make all these amazing products. I mean just their technology and treatment solutions page. Let's see, we've got the by Xacu Track 1, we've got the by HomeGuard 200, the by Voice ID, the by TAD, the by Total Access. The by Sobrieter, that's my favorite, it looks like a gun. Oh yeah, yeah. But look at the by Drive-By.

44:26 and it's spelled B-I drive B-I where you just drive by the slaves home to see if they're there. You know it registers just from outside the door. These guys are, they are the company. I wish I could invest in them. I think they're private. Is it a public company? You can't invest in it. No, I think it's private. But look at their partners. The change companies. Microsoft. Moral Recreation Therapy. Sprint. And then look at their associations. This is fantastic. American Correctional Association, American Prohibition and Parole Association, National Association of Counties, American Jail Association, Federal Probation and

45:09 Pre-trial Officers Association, International Community Corrections Association, National Association of Drug Court Professionals, National Association of Pre-trial Services Agencies, National Association of Probation Executives, National Sheriffs Association, The Washington Association of Sheriffs and Police Chiefs. The fix is in! You're not going to jail anymore, slave! You're at home! And you've got a buy bracelet on, you've got Gitmo jewelry draped from your wrists and your ankles. Now the only thing I thought is they do have a resellers page. I thought maybe we could become a qualified buy reseller in our area. I think we should. Some slight irony there. The buy reseller program connecting for success. This is an awesome, awesome company. But I don't think they're public. I think they're... No they're not. I tried to... There's no evidence they're public. They're private. But these are the guys... And they probably stay that way because there's some sort of underlying scam here.

46:09 And they can't probably reveal them if you're public you got to tell all and right well of course well the scam is is that they've basically they've got it all there they're working with all these associations the whole idea is the prisons are full screw it we'll just keep in your home slave shut up here's a bracelet kachunk done done Love this I you know this this is what what a what a gem of a find in Boulder, Colorado I give you a 10 on this one. Thank you. Yeah, but then now you've depressed everybody no Well, this does go along with With this new story, so why is Microsoft the partner? That's what I'd like to know do I do I really have to explain Come on. They're the technology partner of course they're creating all this stuff. It's already in your PC. I

47:02 It's already in Vista or Windows 7 or whatever it is. And this is why they're doing it. A Texas man convicted of DWI for the ninth time will be spending the rest of his life in prison. Last month a jury found 52-year-old Bobby Joe Stovall guilty of driving while intoxicated. A judge has now sentenced him to life in prison. In July of 2009, Stovall crashed his truck in Round Rock, Texas. A blood sample showed his blood alcohol level was .32, four times the legal limit in Texas. Stovall has half a dozen convictions for other crimes as well. So, you know... What other crimes? Oh, they don't tell you that. How can they only emphasize that? What's the deal? No, they don't tell you that. It doesn't matter. The whole point is... What's the guy's name again? Stovall? Yeah. I have to think of a webpage on it as well.

47:51 Let me see, ABC News, they might actually have information. Bobby Stovall, 54, same age as Billy Idol, was driving his truck in Round Rock, Texas early July. He weaved through several lanes of traffic, blah blah blah. Let's see if the other... Well, he was convicted nine times. The guy does not deserve to be on the road, obviously. No, he's a drunk. Yeah, but instead of... you know, they throw him in jail for life. So instead of doing that which is the pain in the ass you got to take care of this guy you got to feed him you know it's better to have the slave feeding himself in his own house and you can make him work you you can make him do all kinds of work call centers for lick envelopes yeah it could do all kinds of stuff in the comfort of his own home and if he drinks or sex lines anything if he drinks or anything like that you know

48:47 So this buy incorporated, these guys, I mean, they're going to clean house if they aren't already because it's an annuity. It's not just the bracelet, it's the service. I'm sure Microsoft is providing this service, the backend, the cloud. You're connected to the cloud slave. It's just a... This is why, you know, what's the name of the guy who had this conspiracy show and he was the governor of Minnesota for some reason. Jesse Ventura. Jesse Ventura was on something the other day. I think we played the clip. he actually lives in mexico now because he thinks it's a safer more freedom loving play yeah he's probably right that's pathetic well there's a ministry understand whether the public continues to put up with this well there's some minister character here's got issues this should put it into some sort of a treatment program there's a man there's a ministry of truth about mexico which i found to be very interesting uh... associated press and we know how

49:46 At least I think that we can safely say that they are often associated with information coming from the Central Intelligence Agency. Listen to this report, John, and you stop me when you... This is from AP, right? Mexico City. An anonymous 20-something blogger is giving Mexicans what they can't get elsewhere, an inside view of their country's raging drug war. Operating from behind a thick curtain of computer security. Do you want to stop me yet? Keep going. Blog del Narco in less than six months has become Mexico's go-to internet site at the time when mainstream media are feeling pressure and threats to stay away from the story. I'm telling you this thing is a complete CIA website. Many postings including warnings and a beheading appear to come directly from drug traffickers up here. Others depict crime scenes accessible only to military or police.

50:40 The mysterious blogger hides his identity behind an elaborate cyber screen. The Associated Press wrote to the blog's email address, hosted on Google I might point out, and the blogger called back from a disguised phone number. I mean this is like... You can just see the guys at the agency writing this up. Well, they've already field tested with the Wikileaks this type of thing. Yeah, he said he's a student in northern Mexico majoring in computer security. There we go, there's your cyber threat meme. That he launched the blog in March as a quote hobby, but it has now grown to hundreds of postings a day and three million hits a week. And so it goes on and on with all of this really elaborate language and at the very end here, just kind of funny.

51:24 He says mainstream media was stealing his content so he doesn't feel bad about stealing theirs until the National Millennial Television Network aired the Prison Warden video and credited Blog Del Narco. Its daily hits went up 30%. So apparently they know exactly what's going on with this blog which if you do a whois on lblogdelnarco.com it's registered by Protected Domain Services in Denver, Colorado. I hit the translate button and the translation, this is the giveaway to me that something's fishy. The translation is perfect. I know. It's beautiful, isn't it? Let me read the headline of the first posting. The Mexican army said that soldiers are not murderers. And then I'll read it. The commander of the fourth military region, Guillermo Serrano, Serrano, said Saturday that Mexican army soldiers are not murderers and only respond to the aggre-

52:31 aggressions of organized crime this is like it was written in english translated the spanish or would translate back perfectly and just put the button there just to make it look good it's fantastic this is uh... you're right and uh... i when i saw this unlike our ministry of truth completely yeah i know the translation is absolutely most of them are some scrutiny screws this is like perfect for the translation Register guys, you know trying to make it a little funkier. Yeah, I mean mess it up a little over the public's eyes So when you see that AP press release essentially with all these like shrouded in a veil of secrecy a secret phone number a secret email address the things hosted on Google they can track who this guy is no problem and

53:18 it's like Google's in on it, they're hosting it for him. Well you know they have, in Mexico for years now journalists couldn't do anything if they mentioned a guy as a drug cartel he'd be dead, he'd be dead, they'd shoot him. And this is a workaround to get the information out to both Americans and Mexicans without having to worry about something, you know, it's not going to stop up. So this comes right up this guy. And it comes right along with the following story Shooting in Monterey, four dead. This is from Gallup, which I, you know, who the hell knows about polls? In US, confidence in newspapers and TV news remains a rarity.

53:59 So I think if I look at this and this poll which you know I guess it was really important to do this poll and this trend they've been tracking it since 1990. People don't and which I think is a lie an out and outright lie people are saying they don't believe the news the mainstream news. I don't buy that for a second. I think people totally buy it. I believe that that what's going to happen is we're going to get a whole bunch of these Del Narco sites. They're proxy sites. Which is going to look like some anonymous blogger behind a shield, a screen of secrecy. But this is going to be the new information system. So they're going to tell you network news no good. It's no good. No one believes in it. You shouldn't be believing in this. And then they're going to start propagating all these blogs which will be the new version of the truth.

54:51 Yeah, and these things can be just complete, you know fronts. Well, I could can be that's what they're gonna be what they are That's what they are. That's what this is. Yeah But again, it's just they're just testing these things. Yeah. Oh, yeah, it's all beta right now, but it'll get there it'll get there I just all these photos come from here's a photo on the second page of this blog with 66 comments That is I've never heard of this. I've never heard of this thing in the hangar the photos official from somewhere Where'd you get where did the guy get the photo? Oh, it's only from military only military and police can get these photos That's what that's what the article says so how does he get him from the military and police of course? They handed it to him. They're writing it. We got to be on the lookout. We need a

55:40 Busted blog site or something so we can call this type of crap out when it happens because people will yeah well start believing in this shit Amazing though right yeah, good catch Meanwhile there's a video here of some woman doing something weird. Yeah, I'm not even the videos anymore. I bet he has pre-rolls Mostly yes, hey we might as well make some money on it as well. Oh Get some Google ads in there. This is good. This is really good. It's gonna rock. So we've talked for an hour already? Almost, yeah. Almost. We should go into our knighthood and compliment moment. Okay. I'm down with that. Let me bring up the L spreadsheet.

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1:04:35 We've got hookers and blow and hustlers and petris. Which is an outstanding cabernet. Also, I guess according to Eric, Paul Couture was not going to write it. No, no, that was for last week. I know. That's why I didn't do him. Stock symbol B-I-A-C. For by the coring that maybe it's a public company a nasdaq good by is a public company B IAC is the symbol. Let's check it out really. How's it doing? Is it on the upswing? well now if not after a BIA seals from Dvorak org slash na to support this show or channel Dvorak comm slash na and of course you can find the link to the support page

1:05:16 at noagendashow.com where you can also find all the show notes, hundreds of links in every single program. We have a stream that's running. We've got a new show coming onto the stream as well, John, that our friend Marcus Couch will be producing called The Earthquake Machine, which will be a hard rockin' show. Looking forward to that popping up on the stream pretty soon. B-I-A-C is not listed under anything. It's not the symbol. Generally speaking, most of these companies, if they're publicly listed, will have this symbol in their website and they'll have investor relations. They don't have any of that. So I doubt. It could be, who knows. I have an end of show clip, John. I just wanted to clear it with you.

1:06:07 Maybe we should end a little bit early not that we're ending now, but how long is this clip? It's 13 minutes and and maybe if I just play 30 seconds of the beginning of it. It's of David Ike you'll tell me if we should play it or not About 20 years ago now This by the way is Trafalgar Square in Gitmo Nation East, the 7th of August. So this is a brand new clip. To understand not just the scale of pedophilia and child abuse and child abduction and all the rest of it, but the people and the level, cesspit level, known as the elite level of our society which is driving it.

1:06:57 So he calls out President Bush, former prime ministers. It's an amazing piece about the pedo-bear amongst the elites. And I want to ask you if you thought it was okay if we played that as an end of show clip. I think it's too long. Too long? Then I'll just put it in the show notes. Okay. I think you should put a link and let people listen to it if they want to. Okay. Okay. Good. It's under pedo-bear, obviously. That's our general name. That's where you can find it. So, I'd like to give you a little bit more info about the Ted Stevens crash. Yeah. Some very interesting details. So first of all, they have, there's a NOTAM which has been posted, which is a notice to airmen and it's very interesting.

1:07:55 The, because of course you know, you see all these reports and you know, you had these, the idea you get is like this hill and you know, the mountain and they crashed into the mountain. So they have put up a 25 mile radius no-fly zone from the surface up to 5,000 feet. I'm sorry, a 20.7 nautical mile radius in Dillingham, Alaska. And it says effective immediately until further notice pursuant to CFR section blah blah blah. Temporary flight restrictions are in effect for downed aircraft investigation and then they give the coordinates. And I've actually, I went to Google Earth and I put these coordinates in. The terrain there is two meters above sea level for a hundred miles radius. It's right on the water, right near the bay.

1:08:49 And if this is where this aircraft went down, it sure as hell didn't fly into a mountain. And if that's not where the aircraft went down, why did they put up this no-fly zone there? It's it's very very weird, and then they had these stories coming out saying well Ted Stevens plane had a terrain warning system Well, they should not have flown in and well there was nothing to fly into if that's where there if that's where the no-fly Zone is for the downed aircraft There was nothing to fly there's hundreds of miles before you hit anything above a hundred meters. Yeah Have you seen the pictures though? It is the side of a hill But this is nowhere near where this no-fly zone is. So what are you trying to tell us? Well, that either... Something's fishy, we know that. Yes. Okay, so the couple of things. One...

1:09:37 the terrain warning didn't go off because there was no terrain to fly into. So I don't know, I have not seen this picture. Can you Skype me a link for this picture? I just saw it, I can't Skype you a link, it was played on the Fox. They showed the plane. Okay, so that's, there you go. Ministry of truth. It could have been CNN, but it doesn't make any difference, but they showed the plane crash there and it looks like a classic little small airplane, it was the side of a hill. Did it have floats on? Could you see if the plane had floats? No, you couldn't see floats and all you could see was the top. The bottom of the thing was gone. And it was smashed up. So it could have just been file footage. Who knows what it was. Well anyway, so this... I saw what they showed. So this aircraft, as are all aircraft, is outfitted with an ELT, emergency locator transmitter, which you cannot fly legally without this thing being up to date.

1:10:32 In fact, mine has to be... I have to get a new one because they expire before I can sell my aircraft. Yeah, more crap. There's always something. I'm telling you. Oh, it's so painful. The paperwork, I mean literally the paperwork to get this done. I got people who might want to buy it, but the paperwork is just not done yet. It's horrible. So the ELT didn't go now this ELT if you kick it in the airplane, it'll go off so when you when you when you hit something this thing is wired to Essentially go off and and send out an emergency beacon unless of course there's some kind of weird radio waves that would disable that but I'm gonna stay away from that so I took a picture of

1:11:16 of three points on the map in Alaska. I took a picture of this no-fly zone where there are no hills whatsoever, so if that's where the aircraft crashed, it's not on a hill. Is it like a big slope, John, or a little slope? What did it look like to you? It was a mild slope. It wasn't like the side of a mountain. It looked like a small hill. uh... that's what i was once my small but it's like the albany hill and uh... in the berkeley area it's a small hill about uh... maybe five hundred feet high i'm guessing because you can see too far down but it was a mild slope it wasn't like uh... you know was a nice it's that they did not it was by way grassy so if it's five hundred feet they didn't fly into it they crashed into it because you're not flying five hundred feet skype of course do you know anyway

1:12:02 So then I plotted the HAARP facility, which you can see on Google Earth. I mean this is just a huge array of antennas. And here's what was interesting. Then I plotted the site of the crash of Terry, the pilot's son's C-17. If you draw a line from the HAARP facility to Dillingham, Alaska right in the middle on the very same line is where the C-17 went down. So you've been spending a lot of time on Google Earth. Well, because you know you you berated me so so much I'm like how man you know I'm so confident that this has something to do with harp. There's just too much evidence or seemingly too much evidence pointing towards it that when you look at this picture you're just like wow that you know coincidence yeah maybe maybe not oh I got a picture of the plane crash here Mr. Oil just skyped it to me let me take a look

1:13:08 Let's see what this hill looks like. Right, the hill is in the distance. Let me see that picture. I'll see if it's the same thing I saw. Yeah, hold on. Bring up the Skype here. I'm also going to throw this into the chat room so people can play along at home. Yeah, the hill is way in the distance. This is just a slope. Yeah, this looks like the place where it happened. So they went down. They didn't crash. This is nothing like the shot I saw. Oh, well. This is not even... That little blump is must be where the plane is right? Yeah with the smoke. They had a close-up of the plane It's a it's an orange red colored thing Which you might want to check out if that's the case and it was a but that's like the yeah, that's probably the hill Yeah, that's it in the background. Yeah, so that that's a crappy picture that pictures useless. Yeah anyway, so I found the the coordinates of those three

1:14:04 Three waypoints rather rather interesting and we did get an email from a Alaskan who said this guy was an amazing pilot there's no freaking way and he also talked about Stevens being you know a target and and apparently the Sarah Palin group and Stevens group are out to get each other and and for some reason I don't know why and it was an interesting little email it kind of could he was totally convinced it was a hit so whether it was a hit by sabotage whether it was a hit by harp which I'm pretty convinced it was is that you know there's just too much going on with the C the Sun C17 etc regardless it's old-fashioned because there's a new way for two to the head and this just took place Colin Birch let me guess

1:14:53 Okay, oh by the way. I would be I would think twice about that hot tub thing you're thinking about Well listen to this the new way and This is from Australia is death by hooker Well at least they're getting creative here. It is Colin Burch 44 hanged himself from a tree days after he lost his job as an assistant vice president at Deutsche Bank in London and The women, Marie Laurent and Alex Sturley, both 35, thought he was playing a kinky sex game and wearing a safety harness. They hurled abuse at him, telling him he deserved to die while he stood on a wooden step with a noose around his neck. The girls believed, this is from the police report, the girls believed they were used to help kill him without realizing what they were doing. It was death by hooker.

1:15:43 Miss Lauren and Miss Sterling from Katie's lovely escort agency said that Mr. Birch, hold on a second, said that Mr. Birch had told them to meet them at a wood in Dartford Heath in Southeast England on July 30th and pose as his executioners. The women told police they left him only for a moment and that during that time he had killed himself. Yeah, I'm saying you know suicide let's not order hookers This is not good So I have this is some better. I just skyped you for the from the plane crash. Yeah, I'm looking at it right now It's loading and you can see it's just a side of a hill, but if you look in the background This is not that flat it is not as flat as you say, but what's he doing there is still another issue This thing is fishy. Yeah, this is not at all the same

1:16:37 picture It's you can't quite read out the the tail number. Can you see what it says four five five? I can't read the tail number and you can't see this may not even be the plane man. It's like in four five five something Yeah, I need a bush is right obscuring it for someone. You know I guess it's yeah, of course you know we'd so we Did anyone have to get this photoshopped? Whatever the case is a fishy deal as we're gonna leave it leave it at that, but the hooker thing yeah, that could be a problem For you in the kinky sex

1:17:13 Yeah, oh yeah. Not only do you not get killed but then you leave a legacy of being some sort of a weirdo. So let me just say, should I after this Wednesday's Daily Source Code with Bobby Eden mysteriously have pulled the lid over the hot tub and killed myself or have hung myself and she just looked away for a moment and she and Mickey were playing Scrabble or Words with Friends. I did not kill myself okay just so you know I'm saying it now. Damn. There are other ways to get you, Curry. This is creative though. You gotta hand it to him. It's creative. It's better than the two shots. It's creative. Alright, this one has to go now. All aboard! Train's good, plane's bad. Woo-hoo! Okay, two stories. Two amazing ditties. Outside of the runaway subway in London, which was funny.

1:18:12 You heard about that? The subway? Oh yeah, the subway running away. In fact, I'm starting to notice the trends. There's actually people taking sides. I'm thinking the New York Times is now on the side of planes. Well, yeah, and actually there's some more evidence that might corroborate that. But the most interesting... well, there's two stories about planes bad. And so Peggy Noonan, not a fan of Ms. Noonan's writing, She writes this whole essay or op-ed in the Wall Street Journal.

1:18:48 About you know it's basically it's a setup for the video on the page And I want to play the video on the page because this shows you It's it's it's absolutely amazing How this story was planted to show you how bad plane travel is we got off on a little a little track here a sidetrack of the guys a hero and quit your job and all that so the Wall Street Journal which of course is a part of the Murdoch Empire and We believe is Probably also run by Democrats. They really bring it back with their Wall Street Journal dot-com report This will slay you John when you Journal Wall Street Journal Midsommar Jesus Christ the one thing I didn't think I knew because I checked it and it didn't have a pre-roll

1:19:36 That's the one thing I didn't have a clip of and it has a pre-roll. I'm sorry. It's only IBM well together. Well, if you're consistent, yeah IBM slash engines a story this week about a folk hero Steven Slater the The flight attendant with JetBlue who made headlines and here to talk about it are my editorial board colleagues Jason So editorial board colleagues, that means the shills, right? Yeah, these are the guys who are paid to say whatever is the message. Riley and Matt Kaminsky, thanks for joining us. So the news from the news side of the Wall Street Journal this week is that Mr. Slater is looking like less and less of a hero.

1:20:14 people who were on the flight from Pittsburgh to New York earlier this week saying he was abusive, he may have had that cut on his head when he got on the flight. He was saying, let me get the quote here, saying, I have to, I need to take care of myself first, honey, when someone asked him for assistance with some coffee that had spilled. By the way, another gay reference there. They keep pulling that out, the honey thing. But so we're seeing a picture here emerging of a guy and I should say there's a question whether this woman who... You hear it? You hear the setup? He claims harassed him even exists but... They're saying that the woman didn't even exist is what they're saying now. That she didn't even exist, there was no woman with baggage.

1:21:02 Whether or not his story is true, Jason, you never really bought into the idea that this guy was a hero. Not at all. I mean, you have to keep in mind this started as a baggage dispute. A woman apparently brought two bags on board, was trying to put them in the overhead when this dispute broke out. And Slater is a self-described bag Nazi. Now... I mean, can it get much better with calling someone on a plane a Nazi? John, it's getting good. Okay, hold on. It's just amazing to me that the storyline has been to sympathize with the airline employee. Flights have gotten more expensive in recent years. They want you at the airport three hours ahead of time for a one hour flight, which is often delayed if not canceled, where you have little recourse. Flights are more expensive and they're serving less food, fewer snacks. You have to pay for them. You have to pay for bags that they often lose on the way.

1:21:57 airline personnel to me. How good is this? This guy is like he's getting the star merit award of honor for the trains. Yeah, he's like listing everything as bullcrap by the way. You don't have to be three hours. It's a lie. It's a total lie. It's a lie. The excuse is that from the journalistic perspective, well I'm just exaggerating a little bit just to make the point that you do have to be there earlier and they'd make a big deal out of it and all the rest of it and but it's like the laundry list of problem that gov complaints he's doing it and exaggerating them all to make it even worse which is actually shouldn't be doing but wait there's more john it doesn't end there oh no

1:22:38 is the problem with the world here on the other hand we don't want to make generalizations about airline personnel but matt this idea that this guy is a folk hero that that a lot of people seem to not identify with the passengers but with uh... with slater in this case uh... i think it did and then rush limbaugh he was saying you know maybe the guy was racing home to hear the limbaugh radio program that day i mean i think there's a clear reason why we all of us in some ways sympathize with him. He had a bad day at the office, he kinda lost it, he had his Howard Beale moment, you know, I'm mad as hell, I'm gonna pull the emergency slide and just shoot out of there with a beer in my hand. Don't worry, I'm not gonna start cursing here or... There's so much I wanna talk about.

1:23:26 But then, I think what we're realizing now is that actually it's us passengers who should have this Howard Beale moment. Here you go, so he takes, now the other guy's gonna pile jump and do another plane's bad thing. I think anyone who's flown domestic in this country must have a masochistic streak in them. It is one of the worst experiences, especially compared to ten years ago. My favorite is the fee for the extra piece of luggage, which happens to be your first piece of luggage that you want to check in. Matt, people would check for luggage if they thought it was going to arrive with them at their destination. It often does not.

1:24:03 I mean, in the name of safety in the past 10 years, in the name of safety, I think airline personnel has been on a power trip. And frankly, and they've made airline travel in a large, in many ways, miserable. And again, my sympathies have always been with this woman, whether she exists or not. All right, so you get the whole point, obviously. Yeah, but they don't bring the trains in, you know, so I'm not. Do they? Yeah, they don't need to bring the trains into... I know, I'm saying that, but at least they didn't do that. We had one other planes bad story about the 15 year olds who took their babysitting money and hopped on a Southwest flight. I'm sure you heard about this story, John.

1:24:58 Yep. Southwest Airlines is defending its policy on unaccompanied minors after three Jacksonville children bought plane tickets to Nashville and flew there without their parents even knowing about it. Listen to these kids, they're totally prepped. Three are 15, 13, and 11. NBC's Mark Potter reports. On a summer day in Jacksonville, Florida, 13-year-old Bobby Nolan was looking for something to do when 15-year-old Bridget Brown sent him a text message. I asked him today if he wanted to go to Nashville, Tennessee. Welcome to Dollywood! They decided to visit the Dollywood theme park using $700 Bridget saved from babysitting. Dude, I've babysat before. Have you ever saved $700 for babysitting?

1:25:45 Maybe she babysits a lot And without telling their parents Bridget her 11 year old brother Cody and Bobby then took a cab to the airport and bought tickets to Nashville anyway, I don't want this is a the clip is way too long, but They bring in the expert Who then says, oh there's a huge security hole because anyone under the age of 18, I think he even says, doesn't have to identify themselves because these kids went to the airport, they paid cash, they could have been terrorists. That's not true. This is what they're saying.

1:26:23 What's not true? I've looked into the TSA rules on this because I fly my daughter back and forth, you know, I usually fly with her and I always make sure she has her ID, but it turns out that if you're a parent and you have somebody under 21 or 18 or whatever it is, I guess it's 18, they don't have to have an ID. That is a security hole of sorts. The kids do not have to have IDs. That's if they're traveling with someone with someone well you want to hear the expert you have just three kids that did they have no ID do we know that for a fact that the older girl have ID well no they had no ID and nobody had ID no And this guy even, this guy gets into one whole ID thing, which like everyone has some form of ID. You've got a birth certificate, which by the way, it's not qualified as ID. It doesn't have your picture on it. It's not ID. It's ID. Well, listen to this guy. Teen are not required to show ID to fly.

1:27:13 All they need is a valid boarding pass before entering security. And Southwest Airlines says under its policies, a 12-year-old can travel alone. As for 11-year-old Cody, Southwest says he too was okay to fly because he was accompanied... Now listen to the expert who she brought in. This was within the rules then, specifically, but A lot of people are saying, does the gate agent, does the ticketing agent have any discretion when they're issuing these tickets, a child's paying cash, and could she have said, where's your mom and dad, do they know you're flying? So many alarm bells were going off here. First off, the age of the kids, especially the very young one, they're buying tickets with cash, they're buying one-way only tickets, there's no parents there, there's no ID. Any one of those things could have set this thing in motion. To ask for a supervisor who might come in and say, hey kids, do your folks know you're here?

1:28:03 Exactly, just to double check policy. Where it was common sense. That's the question people want to know. You mentioned Southwest Airlines and their statement. We actually have a specific statement. So... Okay, a couple things jump out. Yeah. First of all, a 15 year old kid can get on a bus. Yeah, exactly. They can get on a local bus, they can get on a Greyhound bus. They can go anywhere they want. So what difference does it make whether it's a bus or a plane? Well now they're trying to make it a security thing because we're going to have obviously 11 year olds going and loading up with bombs. And yeah, I guess that could happen in the Middle East, but it's not going to happen here. Let's face reality. This is a bunch of malarkey. It's baloney. They had one-way tickets. It's like, you know, you kids go in there and get to move there. I don't believe they had one-way tickets. It doesn't make any sense. I don't understand how they... TSA does not let you through. This just doesn't... The whole story sounds bogus to me. TSA checks your ID against your ticket

1:28:55 and you can't go through security unless you have that or and yeah sure maybe if you're with an adult and you're 15 you don't have to have the oldest girl must have had ID well they say she didn't They say she didn't. Well, something's wrong with the report. Well, the thing that's wrong with it, the only reason why it's a report is because planes are bad! Well, so, I'm not even sure that... See, the problem is, what, could they get on a train and go to Nashville? I mean, is that okay? I mean, this whole thing, this whole report is making me sick. Yes. Could you just reiterate briefly why we think this whole trains and planes thing is going on?

1:29:33 Yeah. You know, we have one of the greatest transportation systems in the world with our airline system. You can go anywhere you want and you can get there rather quickly. We're never going to move to trains, which really only works in a compact area like Europe or in places where you really, you know, you've got to control the people more like maybe China. But generally speaking, we're never going to take a high-speed rail from San Francisco to Chicago, or even San Francisco to Los Angeles for that matter. The idea though is to kind of promote the idea of high-speed rail so we can put in new track beds around the country which are falling apart and they're old-fashioned. These new tracks are made out of welded steel and on the cement beds are beautiful. Reared in metal.

1:30:17 They're absolutely fantastic and the idea is to set it up, make the taxpayers pick up the bill for upgrading the bed around the country so Burlington Northern can at some point say, hey you're not using this very well, nobody's taking your stupid high-speed rail, can we use it? Oh okay, well maybe we can make up, you know, we can get something out of these tracks and all the freight then goes on the high-speed rail and goes flying around without Burlington Northern having to pick up a nickel of it. It's a scam. Thank you. Thank you very much. I gotta shorten that speech up a little bit. No, that was much better. But you know, because new people listening to the show and like, why are you guys against trains? It's wonderful. We can get there in three times the amount of time. We can spend days on the train. And we got Wi-Fi. It's wonderful. The trains are good.

1:31:08 Get there even if it's a local like I said the other day I mean I can go take the train to Sacramento to go to the museum up there But I did cost more than it would cost me to drive I would get there maybe a little faster, but not much And I don't have a car when I'm there. I mean the whole thing is ridiculous It makes no logical sense. Maybe the TSA let him through like hey, we got three kids. We can look at him naked It was a bunch of bull crap. It's more like it. Yeah So I've got an interesting clip, we want to change the topic a bit, let's have more trains and planes things. No, but let me just close it out because we love playing the jingle so much. All aboard, trains good, planes bad. Wi-Fi and hot towels. So the, you know, I haven't heard an in the morning for a while.

1:31:57 So, that's not a bad combination. So Christopher Hitchens, the British writer who's a very interesting character in terms of his politics and his intellectualism as a journalist, is dying and he's probably going to be dead before the end of the year. What's he dying of? He had esophageal cancer which has metastasized everything. He's got it in his lungs and his lymph nodes and the whole thing. and uh... but he had a new charlie rose who were you were not not necessary big fans and had a pretty good interview with him a couple days ago what you mean uh... tell me about this sexuality in your dns that charlie rose yeah i was a little bit with the mail is a little different so uh... and i just get i was listening to the thing looking for some some clips in the only one i found it was kind of interesting was hitches on clinton

1:32:49 He they asked him about his feelings about Bill Clinton and I thought since we've been you know pounding Clinton since he's he still hasn't filed as you know anything on the charity of his he's stealing money for the Haitians and he's on the jet the Gulf Stream is we if anyone listen to last week show we documented a lot of interesting things about Wycliffe John. John Wycliffe John. Gulfstream jet he flies around in the same way. I have some more on him later by the way. Well play the Clinton on hit the Hitchens on Clinton thing I just think it's a really interesting clip from a guy who's really has nothing to lose. Has nothing to lose. Has time made you more or less admiring of Bill Clinton? Certainly not more.

1:33:31 I didn't I'm not sure it could have been a less really yes. He you had that much It's visceral if you like I just it is what is the business I've interviewed some of the women whose stories never quite made it you know who claimed that he forced himself on them I think they're telling the truth I thought that his... That's unimaginable to you, isn't it? Yes. I know, because... Yes, all that I'd have a friend who was a male figure. Yeah, exactly. I mean, it's unimaginable, because the idea that you have been so lucky and fortunate or successful... Well now, I'm not sure I saw that coming.

1:34:21 I've been looking for an opportunity to I think I had a better way, but I think even the most the hell is Rose doing Rose is I You know now that you mentioned I was gonna edit that part out because it was Rose being so friggin lame Tell me about this sexuality. It's in your DNA apparently about you know hitches and womanizing without having to be a masher But he couldn't bring himself to actually... So it became this kind of awkward moment in the interview and I found out I was gonna just cut it out and I forgot to. But it's just that the guy's a jerk. But anyway, so he gets back on topic here right after this. What's the equipped of men?

1:34:59 should get used to the idea that if they're going to enjoy a female company, it better be on their own merits. Yeah, exactly. So what's a visceral attitude about Clinton? I thought that George Stephanopoulos was essentially right when he realized that the man was sociopathic. Other people don't have a real existence in Clinton. He only cares about himself. I thought that was so obvious and so reptilian. And so damaging to politics. That seems to be, in the end, history is what fascinates you the most. The making of history. Yes, and having a sense of what goes into making that. Yeah, absolutely. And what you have said before is the idea that you influence history is the most intoxicating of things. Yeah.

1:35:48 So, I didn't really, did I must have missed the Stephanopoulos, I didn't know Stephanopoulos said that Clinton was a sociopath. I never heard it. It wasn't on Extra. It wasn't on CNN. It wasn't on Extra. So, I must have missed it. Wow. Yeah. So, a couple of nuggets there, eh? Yeah, I thought that I was very interested in that and he really but you know I knew somebody it was an agent who? Female that was mashed by him He apparently goes up to a lot of women that he's targeting and his first thing he starts doing she said creeps her out It starts you know you know these you've seen these guys they go up to a woman and they start rubbing them as rubbing the woman's shoulders or they're rubbing their arm as they're talking to him constantly yeah and

1:36:38 And apparently he does that kind of thing. And then again it moves, keeps moving in closer. You have to keep backing off until you hit a wall. And then you know, then he moves in. But the curious thing, Gore seems to be the same way. There you go. Alright. Well so speaking of Bill, the guy who pretty much single-handedly has helped the takeover of Haiti. A very interesting article in a Spanish article, let me bring up the original, I have the Google translation. In elcaribe.com.do from the Dominican Republic. Well it's interesting when you go to translate an article on Google and so you've copied the URL and then you go to Google and you click on language tools it already knows that you want to translate Spanish. Have you ever noticed that?

1:37:33 If you have a German article, it already has German pre-selected? No, I didn't notice that, but that's a very nice feature. Nice feature. So this is a scientific study of the earthquake in Haiti, which as you know, I believe was caused by the earthquake machine. So there is a fault in Haiti, and we know there is because there was an earthquake, was it 80 years ago or something? Yeah. And, but that was not this fault. So scientists are puzzled and are scratching their heads because it was not this fault. There must be a new fault somewhere. The absence of changes on the ground in the area is the first indication the fault was not responsible.

1:38:23 as the fault extends east to west, however part of the land bounced up and south to the north of the fault named Enriquillo, an indication of the existence of another fault, although still unknown in that area. So more credence to my theory that this was set off by a so-called earthquake machine. Intentionally so. And so then we get this douchebag Wyclef Jean, Who all of a sudden has got the Armani suit and is flying in the Gulfstream IV that Clinton uses and the oil guys are using because of course there's a complete oil takeover. And now, because he was a Fugee, a Fugee, and a former bandmate of his comes out and says,

1:39:13 Well this guy's a douchebag. He shouldn't be president of Haiti. This is Pras, his bandmate, Pras. A Haitian born musician says he will not back Wyclef Jean because he lacks a definitive plan to bring the island nation into the 21st century. It gets better here. You've got 1.2 million people living in Tent City right now. What are the plans to get these people out? Prost said of the survivors of the January 12th earthquake. Prost plans to support Jean's opponent, Michael Sweet Mickey Martelli. So we have a new player.

1:39:51 And... Hey, Martelli's running. This guy is... You're voting for him, you know what I mean? Michael Martelli has been heralded as a pioneer of a unique brand of compas music, a style of Haitian dance music. The only one who can zip it... I mean... Yeah, so they've got this... They've got the new Sweet Mickey. How do you spell his name? It is... Sweet Mickey is his nickname. And you spell the way my Mickey's name, M-I-C-K-Y. Michael Martelli, M-A-R-T-E-L-L-Y. And so now it's the battle of the musicians for the presidency of Haiti. But this guy, this sweet Mickey guy, he's perhaps even worse. He's worse. Outlandishly and outspoken, Martelli has been known to drink publicly while performing in wigs, costumes, diapers, and Scottish kilts, and occasionally remove his own attire while performing.

1:40:45 Well, arguably the most recognized and applauded musician and public personality in Haiti, Martelly's performance style has sometimes ignited controversy throughout the Haitian diaspora. He has finished school and has a degree in music. This is on reading from Wikipedia, so take that with a grain of salt. So, as late as August 6th, Michael Martelli is shown as M-I-C-H-E-L, the way I have it here, Martelli, and he was a bald, he was just a shaved head character, is his running mate of Wycliffe Jean. Really? Where did you have this? Is that also on the wiki? I got it on a website called lovelytea.com, which is apparently a music site or something that comes out of the area. Ha! Wycliffe's running mate Michael Martelli speaks. Ha! And there's an interview with him. Martelli's past and current friendships with members of Haiti's turbulent government and with U.S. diplomats has been met with mixed opinion and criticism by music fans and activists alike. They're both shills!

1:41:47 This this is the perfect way if you want to make sure you get the right outcome of the match You've got to own both sides. So they're like, okay, we got this Wyclef Jean. He's in we need someone to run against him Who it was the guy with the diapers? Yeah that guy but bring him in there's the link is there a video we can play No, well, yeah, maybe down further, but I don't trust it. I'll put this into the show notes as well. That is phenomenal phenomenal They just, they just... Something, let's put it this way, something's fishy. Yeah, and the answer of course to what are you gonna do with the 1.2 million in Ten City is they're gonna be your servants. They're gonna be serving your drinks, your mojito, and they're gonna be cleaning up your room, making your bed in the new Hilton Hotel, in the Clinton, Clinton Hilton Hotel complex.

1:42:41 It's a total ripoff of that country. I don't see any video on this page. Is there anything? No, it doesn't matter. And of course lots of people sent me the Ritz crackers spot that Y-Club Jean stars in. I guess he's now the spokesman for Ritz crackers. So what are we gonna do with this 1.2 million people? We're gonna let them eat Ritz crackers. Eat Ritz crackers and... Hot pockets! Sorry, Haiti. Nice knowing you. This is interesting. This from September 27, 2007, Michael Martelli and Wycliffe campaign video. They apparently have been running before in some way, shape or form. Wow. I can't believe this. Let me look at this again. This is on a form, so the date may be wrong. But John, this makes so much sense. If you want to win an election, you've got to own both sides. These two guys who apparently are friends,

1:43:36 They're just gonna be running against each other, but it doesn't matter who wins because they're both in the pocket of the corporations. Wow. Here's a Sunday August 8th posting from somebody who was apparently listening to some presentation. This is August Eighth, I have to admit Sweet Mickey presented himself better than Wycliffe in his video interview. So there's something out there we can look at. However, neither one of these should be a candidate. So this is where they're, I guess, facing off against each other. Clef was not delivering a speech. Clef was rapping. Mickey, on the other hand, was quite elegant in delivering his positions and ideas. Hmm. There's something... This is just totally fishy. Yeah, you think?

1:44:20 Here's some videos you I'm gonna give you this link, but we don't want to play these now But you should listen I'll put them in the show notes for sure good. You got any more clips. Yeah, I got a couple all right Let me see I'm sending you this Skype. I got it. I got it. I got it Oh, I love the internets. Thank you Skype. Too bad you're going public so it'll all suck from now on. We'll enjoy it while we can. I found a word that's a cool one to use. There's a 15 second ad called deodorant and it has a weird sound effect in the middle of it. See if you can pick up the sound effect. There's a 15 second ad for a deodorant and there's a usage in there that I think is just so cool. JC and I both spotted it as a word we should be using more. But see if you can find, first you're going to have to listen for the sound effect which is hilarious and then the word that we're looking for. And it's not panty waste?

1:45:14 No, that's a good one. If you feel you sweat more than average, you probably avoid getting close to people. Degree Clinical Protection. Its wetness protection is up to three times stronger than necessary. Dare to get much closer. Okay, I got the... Yeah. But I didn't hear the word. Clinical. Clinical. Let me hear that again. Yeah, that's a good we could use surgical too because you can also use like so what is it? clinical clinical about deodorant use the word clinical is if you're what you're just you're gonna find in the hospital Oh get her some clinical protection my god. He's sweating John get him some clinical protection immediately That's better than the ding on hot pockets Yeah, that bloop. We should get a bloop. We need to get that that's good

1:46:21 clinical I'm thinking that every product should have I've got a new clinical photography program I mean you know just throw it in just throw it but I think we should use surgical to surgical clinical I have a clinical story um female infants growing breasts yeah yeah I saw this is this in China something in the formula they're serving up yeah where do you think that comes from I don't know. I think they're just trying to tank the stock. I was looking at that stock, which is a publicly traded company, and it was as high as 25. And once this report came out, the stock tanked, went down to 12. I think the whole thing, if we can do the Horowitz show, I'm going to put it on my list of stocks to pick up because I think the whole thing's bogus.

1:47:12 Designed it because I think stock market manipulation is gonna is going on like rampantly in China I think this was done to tank the stock which it did yeah, and a killing can be made Okay, yeah that makes sense that oh very good very good, huh? Just a guess. No, no, I love listening to your tips on that show. Not that I have any money to put in anything. It's like the fees for buying stock are more than the actual amount of stock I can buy. Well, you buy a share. My money goes to paying bills. It doesn't go to anything else currently.

1:47:49 So I have kind of a funny clip. Oh good. The Letterman clip. Yeah. As we start to get near the end here. Might as well lighten things up. Don't worry, I'll bog you out at the end. Don't worry. Yeah, we tend to be... This show is getting depressing. So Letterman had Landon Donovan on the show and he was kind of an arrogant character. Who is he? He's a soccer player. He's an American soccer player who's on the American team. And he's, you know, big into soccer. And, you know, and he's and so Letterman kind of goes, he just kind of demeans him in some very peculiar way. Because I think it's because the guy's acting was a dick. And, and, you know, he's about soccer's the next big thing kind of thing. And let him has never been a soccer fan. He's like, you know, he doesn't get it. Right? No, he doesn't understand. He doesn't get it. What's there to get? Yeah. So anyway,

1:48:41 So this clip, so I listened to this and I just, I had to be highly amused by the way he dealt with this guy. Book up and get out and watch games live because when you watch it live you realize just how special it is. Now if you were to go to see a high school soccer team, a grade school soccer team, or a college or a pro, would you see the same level of play you see at the World Cup? I'd say it's highly unlikely. Are you going to watch high school games? I might now. You know what, it just looks like it's fun to run around on that huge green field. Is it fun? I wouldn't say it's fun all the time. I mean, you're chasing guys around. That's funny. I Was amused I like that that's pretty good I have a little clip from burn notice. Have you ever watched that show? You know, here's the problem I have with you know, I'd be other people have the same problem I'm gonna kind of discuss this issue. I have the entire first season of burn notice on DVD which I got from one of the guys that used to be on a Emmy

1:49:42 He's an Emmy guy so he gets all these DVDs and the entire first season was given out to the judges And I have it so I have the first season of burn notice that I've been itching to watch because I think the theory behind the show is kind of interesting but because I haven't watched those I refuse to watch anything since and I'm noticing people Doing this like some people won't watch a new episode of Mad Men because they haven't seen it from the beginning right This is becoming like an issue, a kind of a change in policies that people are adopting. Well it's kind of annoying because you have to kind of know what's gone on previously because a lot of these series are now tied in, they write it that way so it's not really a stand alone like Kung Fu used to be. Yeah, in fact somebody wrote us, both of us, bitching about the fact that we haven't talked about Rubicon which is kind of up our alley insofar as a

1:50:32 Conspiratorial love it's also an American movie channel right yeah, I see Scott right after Mad Men actually and When I've seen it for I've seen the first episode actually watched the first episode three times And I've seen all the episodes fourth episodes today And I'm totally convinced that if you haven't seen the first episode don't even bother I This is what's and this show's got no legs There's no way because it's so complicated that no one's gonna be able to follow it unless they've seen every episode From the beginning who produces is asking too much, and they don't have it online that my son was saying Why don't they put it online so people can catch up? This is the mistake AMC and these other guys are making it's well This is from Hulu so but this may be season four I think Who produces this?

1:51:18 I don't. I don't know. So listen to this little bit of dialogue, which of course is art imitating life. I thought Marines were all about teamwork. Bomb disposal unit, right? I know that tattoo. I was special forces. The court taught me anything. It's not to trust no one. Usually only career Marines get a moto-tat like that. You should be clearing roads in Iraq, not hunting FBI witnesses in Miami. Yeah? Tell that to my squad mates who spent their tour shipping drugs to the States. Whoa! Isn't that great? Oh brother. I love that. It's like, yeah, tell that to my squad mates who spend all their time over there shipping drugs to the States. Yeah, you know, it's so blatant now. And that's why I want to know who these producers are. Because either they're with us,

1:52:17 Or, or the whole show is just, you know, a setup to just like make it normal for us. Like, you know, I just tell them, just tell the slaves that we're shipping the drugs. Yeah, so they don't think anything suspicious is going on. No, it was on burn notice. Yeah, it was on burn notice. I already knew that. There's nothing new about that. That's normal. That's all cool. Yeah, I thought that was a nice little ditty. You got a couple more things I wouldn't mind hearing them before we cut out Yeah, unfortunately, where are they? You've got Zen quail. You've got AIDS

1:52:53 Not you, but you have a clip called AIDS. You have tort reform. Yeah, okay. This is a long clip. Let's do the AIDS one. Okay. Is this going to bum me out? I don't want to be bummed out. Well, what it is, is this like an early, you know, this is one of the things we do on the show. Why we like people to send us a support at no agenda show.com or dvork.org slash na just to throw an extra plug in is that we, since we'd watched C-SPAN to excess, Every once in a while you catch an early warning. We're like NORAD. We're the NORAD of media assassination. Yeah, so you can see stuff kind of being tested in the market or sometimes being discussed openly.

1:53:37 amongst them, you know, like a kind of amongst themselves but still shown on C-SPAN and that and you know 20 people watch some of this stuff at the most. But so I caught this this and I don't I had to I have the whole panel but I decided only to play the intro because it kind of says it all and I can kind of explain the rest faster than than they can. blabber about it. There's three people, one from the Council on Foreign Relations and there's this woman that runs some odd magazine I've never heard of, discussing the AIDS problem around the world. And there's a couple of interesting factoids that came up. 30 million people out there have AIDS. 20 million of them are in Africa.

1:54:14 And we are getting a lot of blowback because we haven't increased the amount of money we give to... And the United States, by the way, provides something like 80% of all the money to give people free drugs for AIDS. And the Africans are now getting mad because we're not giving more. And so it's becoming a political football. And from what I can tell, we're ready to pull the plug. everything. Good morning I'm Susan Dentzer, editor-in-chief of the health policy journal Health Affairs and I want to welcome you to this first in a series of debates on key global health issues and controversies. Thank you for joining us. The resolution we'll be debating today is this, resolve to

1:54:59 that the U.S. commitment to universal HIV AIDS treatment is unsustainable and decreases the U.S. leverage in the nation's foreign policy. Now let us begin by stating the obvious. This is a painful topic because lives are at stake, potentially millions of them. And understandably, the debate can get quite emotional. We will all agree that the group of eight's announcement in 2005 that member countries agreed to provide all those infected with HIV access to life-saving antiretroviral treatment was among the most noble of actions.

1:55:39 And what that meant, whether it was fully understood at the time or not, was keeping some 30 million people worldwide on ARV treatment for three or four decades, if not beyond. That was very noble, but five years later, that picture of nobility looks quite different. We all know that donor assistance in HIV AIDS is flat to falling. In 2009, the G8 countries disbursements for HIV were $7.6 billion. A year earlier they had been $7.7 billion. We also note that given the global economic situation, this trend is not likely to change any time soon. Although the Obama administration is working very hard to meet its other global health goals, such as maternal and child health and neglected tropical diseases,

1:56:33 It intends to keep its commitment to increase the number of patients receiving ARV treatment under PEPFAR to 4 million by 2014. It is, however, unclear if the U.S. Congress is going to go along with that. It's also clear that even if the US is somehow able and willing to deliver ever more increasing sums to global health and specifically to HIV AIDS, it is not at all clear that much of the rest of the world will go along. Now everybody can agree that these circumstances are unfortunate. Huh. Well, before you say anything I'd like to mention two things.

1:57:14 is the president's emergency plan for AIDS relief which I believe George Bush set up and he was actually heralded for setting that up. Yeah. But what's interesting is this has been Clinton's thing, the Clinton Health Access Initiative known as CHAI which was actually founded January 1st 2010, formerly known as the HIV AIDS initiative and I'm reading from the ClintonFoundation.org website This, the numbers don't add up. Since its inception, CHI has helped more than 2 million people access the medicines needed for treatment, which represents nearly half of all the people living with HIV and on treatment in developing countries. How does that work? I thought you said 30 million. It's gobbledygook. But so when these two guys show up, when these two guys are together in something... shysters show up and take advantage of people's goodwill and generosity. I don't trust it.

1:58:09 So you say a political football, I say a ripoff. I'm not sure how or why, but I just don't think these guys are genuine. Yeah, I'm not going to argue the point. I just, all I saw was a little NORAD action here. There's something going on. They're starting to pull the plug on this thing. Africa is going to be targeted. Largely has to do with the fact that the carping that's going on in Africa. One thing that I don't have in the clip, but they mentioned it, the Gates Foundation, it was actually Bill Gates that came out and said this is unsustainable. And they're thinking about, you know, stopping something. Oh, there's another one of our favorite guys. well i will never be able to be yeah the topic of conversation that with i'm sure for many a show uh... because of the

1:58:52 Gates Foundation issues. Well I think you're absolutely spot-on. Your douchebag radar is going off and when you see that Clinton just changed the HIV AIDS initiative to the CHI as of January 1st 2010 you know this is a setup. You know that something is coming so I think you're right. Oops wrong one. I think you're right and we got to keep our laser beam focused on him. And just some really good news to end up. The Postal Service, you know, there's a new law, you can't ship tobacco through the mail. This has now been changed. The Cigarette Trafficking Act, and of course changed so that starting August 27th, military care packages with tobacco can be sent using priority mail which ships to overseas military addresses.

1:58:09 So you say a political football, I say a ripoff. I'm not sure how or why, but I just don't think these guys are genuine. Yeah, I'm not going to argue the point. I just, all I saw was a little NORAD action here. There's something going on. They're starting to pull the plug on this thing. Africa is going to be targeted. Largely has to do with the fact that the carping that's going on in Africa. One thing that I don't have in the clip, but they mentioned it, the Gates Foundation, it was actually Bill Gates that came out and said this is unsustainable. And they're thinking about, you know, stopping something. Oh, there's another one of our favorite guys. well i will never be able to be yeah the topic of conversation that with i'm sure for many a show uh... because of the

1:58:52 Gates Foundation issues. Well I think you're absolutely spot-on. Your douchebag radar is going off and when you see that Clinton just changed the HIV AIDS initiative to the CHI as of January 1st 2010 you know this is a setup. You know that something is coming so I think you're right. Oops wrong one. I think you're right and we got to keep our laser beam focused on him. And just some really good news to end up. The Postal Service, you know, there's a new law, you can't ship tobacco through the mail. This has now been changed. The Cigarette Trafficking Act, and of course changed so that starting August 27th, military care packages with tobacco can be sent using priority mail which ships to overseas military addresses.

1:59:47 And according to this story, the US Postal Service initially said that you couldn't ship any products, but now as long as the sender and recipient are both adults and it is not for commercial purposes, then it's okay to send tobacco through the mail. We'll find out as I have some shipments coming from Gitmo Nation East from Mr. Oil of my favorite rolling tobacco. Good. Yeah, some good news for me. Yeah, well... Hey, support us. That's something. Yeah. Support our show, please. Dvorak.org slash NA channel Dvorak dot com slash NA and of course you can find all that at noagendashow.com. I'm Adam Curry coming to you from Gitmo Nation West. And from Gitmo Nation Silicon Valley North, I'm John C. Dvorak. We'll be back again on Thursday right here on No Agenda.