33:31 So just note that Tucker was there. Whenever something happened, Tucker was there! So this is a very adversarial interview but I found it fascinating. Thank you for having me. You are one of Donald Trump's most consistent and vocal supporters, you called on people to vote for him What happened? Yes what happened was the war with Iran which I don't believe serves the interests of United States I think it is destructive to the United States and to the world but mostly to the United States I'm American that is what I care about That's something he promised he wouldn't do. For 10 years, he argued against a war like this and then for a variety of reasons not all which I understand He embarked on it and so I can't support that My views did not change His did Do you generally believe Israel would try to harm you because of your opinion?
34:28 Do I believe Israel would try to harm me? Yes. Of course, I don't know...I hope not! I don't want to be harmed but my main interest is not Israel. I'm just asking you, you were implied of that when you spoke about your coming to Israel let's see that for a second. And they said okay i want to send you the flight information and I wanted to pass it on to the Israeli military You know, they don't mistake us for an Iranian drone or something. I mean not to be paranoid but again this is probably the most violent country in the world Israel so Israel is the most violent state in the world even more than Iran
35:09 Are you serious? No country, and I say this with sadness but no country has boasted more about killing its political opponents than Israel. Of course about its assassination programs the Prime Minister of Israel gave a golden pager to the President of United States. I was there! And that golden pager represented the pagers that Hezbollah leaders were killed by sure So yes, Israel brags about assassinating people and of course it does assassinate people. Many countries assassinate people but Israel makes a public relations campaign out of boasting about killing its opponents. Dude have you ever heard someone say Allah Akbar? I don't... Tucker he doesn't know what he said in the past Yes this is the most concerning part He doesn't remember anything he said in the past
36:10 And he's adamant about it. I never said that! But he also says, you know President Trump went to war in Iran which he promised he wouldn't do totally true For reasons I don't understand why, but it's not America first. Well maybe you should ask him why? Now the answer primarily will be because Iran can have a nuclear weapon Okay i'm pretty skeptical about that we've been hearing that for 10 years or maybe even longer I think there were definitely a lot of financial reasons and, look at this. These guys they control an area that apparently can put the whole world in peril just by them supposedly cutting it off or doing whatever so it seems like that is a problem that no one ever wanted to address
37:04 But let's go on because Trump obviously did not do this for America. He did it for Israel We all know this I mean, you know You accuse Nathanael of dragging Trump into an unnecessary war with Iran So let's think about what it actually means Do you really think that a foreign leader can pull the president of the United States? Into a war he didn't want and what does it tell us about Trump is he really that weak or Well, I don't think that could happen. I saw it happen. I was there and so that happened. He's always there but he seems to be like in Israel or somebody else's podcast or something... But somehow he is always there! He was there when Bibi Netanyahu forced Donald Trump to go to war with Iran. HE WAS THERE! The United States into a war it didn't want and what does it tell us
38:01 About Trump is he really that weak? Well, I don't think that that could happen. I saw it happened It was there and so that happened So the question is why and he says this a lot of notice I was there I was there Think he means he saw something on TV or you read the New York Times article Without pictures where they said that something happened in the war room, but he was there and I just want to be clear. I don't primarily blame The Israeli Prime Minister who I think is wrong? I think he's gravely hurt Israel. I think he's leading Israel toward destruction I think it's a very bad leader and a very unwise leader however I also believe
38:40 that Prime Minister Netanyahu is acting in what he thinks is his nation's best interest. So I give him credit for that and always have I don't blame him primarily, I blame Donald Trump for folding under the pressure from Benjamin Netanyahu and his many allies in the United States. Donors to Donald Trump people in the media class here were effectively working on behalf of the Israeli government and Donald Trump whose decision it was caved under that pressure but on February 28th the United States followed Israel into this war And the Secretary of State of the United States said we had no choice. They chose the time He didn't say, We had no choice? Israeli Prime Minister decided when this started Well that's The definition of control he had control over this war Hold on a second What is the definition of control let me just hear that again Half of the Israeli government and Donald Trump whose decision it was Caved under that pressure But on February 28th The United States followed Israel into this war
39:40 And the Secretary of State of the United States said we had no choice. They chose the time, the Israeli Prime Minister decided when this started well that's The definition of control he had control of this war That's an interesting way of looking at it even if you took Lubeo's statement at face value, it wasn't control he said because I know because we played the clip ad nauseum and pulled it apart. He said Israel was going to strike and that would mean that we would have strikes so we had to go but I don't think that's a definition of control is it?
40:17 Of course not. Okay, and so my question is... This is Tucker's simplification of things Well that's what he does. Well that's the definition of control He had control over this war And so my question is why did Donald Trump allow a nation of 9 million people to pull the United States A nation of 350 million people Not the way you jumped into it Wait, the logical inconsistency First he defines control to mean something he wants it to mean so that then make the assertion that how does a nation of nine million people control, I mean its trick. He uses trickery to make his point. Literary trickery yes literary trickery
41:03 Yeah, it's a trick and it's like okay well you if you didn't push back on the earlier assertion now he's got you this is like how a pathological liar works where they get get you to agree to one thing that they know that your now your cook because you've already agreed to the other things so everything at logical that logically stems from that must be true. Oh yeah, yeah there's... Well Tucker's very good at that But now he adds another 50 million people to our country, which I thought was interesting. When this started well that's the definition of control he had control over this war and so my question is why did Donald Trump allow a nation of 9 million people to pull the United States, a nation of 350 million people into a war that will change it? Are we at 350 now?
41:55 Yeah, we've always been. We've been at 350 for a while No we were 250 for awhile and then... You're listening to an old show It's future! And it is bad for the United States I can't answer that question You can't answer? I don't have an answer Uh-huh you want to hear more? A couple more I don't have an answer That's good Do you want to hear some more? Yes sure To imply that Donald Trump is so weak that a foreign leader can drag him into the war he doesn't want. Well, I'm not... First of all, you're hesitating that maybe... Now he's going to kind of walk it back. Well, now I never said that. You just said it! You implied that Donald Trump is so weak that a foreign leader can drag him into a war he doesn't want. Well, first of all, I'm not... But you are hesitant and may be afraid to say clearly that Donald Trump is weak
42:47 Let me say two things for one of course I'm not afraid or I wouldn't be doing this interview or talking about this at all But maybe you're wrong by not seeing what is very blunt truth that if the United States would cave in to Iran terror regime that controls now also the Hormuz Passway and their terror ring that it created in the Middle East maybe it would be even worse for any citizens in the world not only in Israel but also in the United States. And this is exactly what Donald Trump said he said that United States would have been in danger so you don't believe Donald Trump?
43:30 I don't believe Donald Trump and i also think as an Israeli you should pause before using the phrase terror regime since you live in a country that just murdered thousands of childrens in Gaza. We should all pull back on the rhetoric. Yes, well that's the rhetoric we should all pull back on the rhetoric after I just threw out some rhetoric Two more clips But the behavior of the Israeli government in Gaza is disgusting and immoral. And, of course Israel's not a democracy in any sense there are millions of people who live under Israeli control who cannot vote right? So if the West Bank Judea and Samaria and Gaza or whatever calling these places... Judea and Samaria What?
44:29 And no amount of recounting the legitimate atrocities of October 7th will ever get me to accept this behavior from the Israeli government, from the US government, from the Iranian government or any government. It's always wrong and Israel doesn't like to acknowledge existence of universal principles that apply to everyone equally That's why they're principles not preferences and Israel again which I've always liked as a country is a lot of civilized decent people living there to this day Has to acknowledge that principles are universal they apply to everyone even you even me My government your government every government, but you won't acknowledge that it's always like Oh Iran's bad Yeah, Iran is bad. But your behavior is bad too
45:12 Okay, I can't counter that. Lots of behavior is bad. There's stuff going on in Nigeria and everywhere but Israel seems to be the focus. And then we get the final question which you've all been waiting for... Anything? I don't think the United States should give Israel anything! We should stop all aid to Israel and special deals for Israel tomorrow. Mr. Carlson are you running for office? Do you consider running for office? I am not running for office. I have no plans to run for office. I'm starting to believe that the Republican Party does not serve the United States, and I certainly believe the Democratic Party does not serve the United States. And so I hope we have an option. I would like a democracy in the United States like one in Israel. So I move into color! Israel is not a democracy? The United States apparently is not a democracy either. Our government keeps doing things that people don't want. That's not democracy it's the opposite of democracy. And I want democracy very very much
46:06 I want democracy. Democracy? Democracy! It's a republic, you dumb shit he knows that But he wants democracy as you yelled in the background In Qatar Yes that is where you want to buy a house because you feel safe there in the democracy of Qatar With a king With a King It's just interesting He's doing this...I think he IS running I think he does have a plan Yeah, what do you mean? I think he really has thoughts and people are talking to him. We know people are talking to him your boy Kiriakou is talking to a boy called yeah Tucker You got it run man. You can win this thing even when this thing I am sure he's thinking about it Why else see these interviews do your podcast Do your podcast who cares Channel 13 in Israel It was a fluke that I got it