Episode 174 · Sunday, 14 February 2010

Gung Ho!! Fat Choy!

Military maneuvers in Marjah protect global opium interests while domestic policy shifts toward executive orders and the rebranding of synthetic sweeteners under the guise of natural health.

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The No Agenda Show · No. 174

About this episode

Operation Moshtarak in Marjah, Afghanistan, serves as a strategic maneuver to secure poppy fields rather than protect civilians, according to claims by Adam Curry and John C. Dvorak. The hosts argue that the advance notice given to the Taliban was intended to safeguard the opium crop, which functions as a primary funding mechanism for intelligence agencies and global financial markets. This military offensive is contrasted with the historical concept of the Olympic truce as the 2010 Winter Games begin in Vancouver.

Professor Amy Bishop faces scrutiny following a fatal shooting at the University of Alabama in Huntsville, revealing a 1986 incident in Massachusetts where she killed her brother. In Poland, authorities recovered 11 tons of stolen human blood plasma belonging to Baxter International, a firm previously linked to H1N1 vaccine contamination. Meanwhile, the Department of Justice is under fire for a job listing seeking trial attorneys with targeted disabilities, including mental retardation. Economic advisor Christina Romer and Vice President Joe Biden are criticized for their recent public defenses of administration policy, while Microsoft executive Craig Mundy suggests a licensing regime for independent bloggers.

Technical glitches and media blunders take center stage as a Polish newspaper accidentally publishes the Pedobear meme as an official Vancouver mascot. David Letterman is caught in a clumsy post-production audio edit regarding a Survivor promo, and the U.S. Air Force successfully tests a Boeing 747-mounted airborne laser. Adam Curry updates his earthquake machine theory, shifting the focus from Iran to the Canary Islands as a potential site for a mega-tsunami.


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CHAPTER 01 / 36 Discussion

Adam Curry and John C. Dvorak, Episode 174 Introduction

Adam Curry and John C. Dvorak open episode 174 of the No Agenda podcast on February 14, 2010. Curry broadcasts from his new "Hilltop Watchtower" in Southern California, while Dvorak joins from Northern Silicon Valley. The hosts acknowledge Valentine's Day and the Chinese New Year before discussing Curry's recent move and improved 64 kbps broadcast stream.

adam curry· john c. dvorak· gitmo nation· southern california· silicon valley· valentine's day· chinese new year

00:01 You have to get my stapler. I'm gonna have to get my stapler. I'm gonna have to in the morning. I'm gonna blow, I'm gonna burn the place down. That's what I'm gonna do. Adam Curry. John C. DeVora. It's February 14, 2010, time for your Gitmo Nation Media Assassination Episode 174. This is no agenda. Now in high fidelity. And coming to you live from the SoCal Southern Hilltop Watchtower Crackpot Command Center in Gitmo Nation West. In the morning everyone, I'm Adam Curry. And it's a foggy Valentine's Day here in Northern Silicon Valley. I'm John C. Dvorak. It's Crackpot and Buzzkill! In the morning! In the morning to you, my friend. Same to you. Say it. In the morning! Yes, happy Valentine's Day. Yeah, Valentine's Day it is. And also the Chinese New Year, I'm reliably informed. Gung-ho fat joy. Yes, and I'd like some of that please, with an egg roll. Yeah, well... You know, I uh, luckily now that I've uh, so first, first things first.

01:01 We have a real connection now. I only had to move to Los Angeles to get it, but we are now broadcasting in 64 kilobits per second on the stream and John you sound wonderful. Huh? Yeah. That's weird because apparently from your perspective it was always my fault. It's always your connection. But the good news is I no longer have to say minimum. Because I'm not in the minimum security containment cell. You're in a maximum security containment cell? No, I'm in the hilltop watchtower now. So I'm overlooking everything. But it's too bad because I finally got a jingle because I couldn't pronounce minimum. So this is what came in. Minimum. Minimum. Minimum.

01:57 I said minimum. Okay. Minimum. It's cute, right? Yeah, it's cute. Yeah. Yeah, well, you don't have to say it anymore, so you're lucky. No. No. I'm, uh... Have no fear. I'm overlooking all of Southern California for you. So you could be lobbing grenades from where you are. Dude, it's the perfect place. Now, we've downsized a little bit. It's not quite as big as the minimum security containment cell, but you can't beat the view. It looked pretty big to me. Oh, no, no, no. Square footage-wise? No.

02:34 Now the other place was much bigger. Yeah, but the other place was just kind of useless square footage. It was like a bowling alley in there. Well, if you're a bowler, it's not useless. Well, you need the pins and the machine. All right. Well, anyway, I'm real happy, man, because now we're kind of on equal footing. I can hear you. There's almost no delay. Did you send out a tweet? No, of course not. Of course you didn't. Let me go do that. So anyway, so we're on Time Warner cable while you're doing that. And it's pretty good. We have 12 megabits down and 1 megabit up. And we're going to do it. Today's show is a full-on, full-bore test. I've even asked Mickey to upload some porn to see if that breaks the connection. Are you really going for broke here? Oh yeah, we're going all out, brother.

03:26 It's nice that ADSL, how much crap was that? It was horrible. This is so nice. We could even do video. Yeah, we were practicing on this thing the other day and you could do video. Yeah, it was pretty good. Something we're not going to be doing, ladies and gentlemen. No, please. Don't be asking for it. You do not want to see me. I can't speak on behalf of my partner in crime, John, but I have a feeling you don't want to see him in the morning either. I would say that's true. Yes. Okay, you've tweeted, right? No, I'm typing it out now. For someone who writes for a living, you write pretty slow. Well, I'm sitting here with a microphone on my face and this thing down on my lap. I'm not going to be speed typing. I usually type, my writing is usually takes place with my legs up into the, on the desk, the keyboard on my lap, and I use one of those ones with the trackpad. And your pants around your ankles.

04:24 That would be uncomfortable. And then I just type away, but when I have to, when I'm like, you know, I gotta, this is going to be slow typing. Really? So you lean back with your feet on the desk and you have the keyboard on your lap? That's how, that's how you type normally? Yeah. That's the way I, when I first got a computer before there were mice, there were, you know, that's the way you would do it. And it's actually very comfortable. And so then when the mouse came along, it was like, Oh no, up and down, up and down. So then, that thing will never catch on. Save the bacon. That's true. So when it came with a trackpad keyboard or you know or any or even the ones with the other pad I could do this I could keep doing that and then and also it gets you way back from the monitor I'm like I don't know four or five feet away from the monitor and so you have to like really exercise your eyeballs to be able to read anything on the screen. Have you considered what are those things called? My eyesight has improved. Oh sure.

05:19 But have you considered, it's a new device, it's called a laptop? How am I going to leave with a laptop? It'd be heavy and hot, forget it. You know, this is exactly why they developed them. They developed them as a cheap substitute for a desktop and space saving. And you know, for people who didn't want to actually have a real laptop. You can't type with a laptop in that position. Yeah, of course you can. No, they're perfect for that. All right. John. But you need something that's stable. You don't need that awkward screen. Anyway, that's just what I do. John.

CHAPTER 02 / 36 Discussion

Executive Producer Credits, Robert B. Lee and Global Donors

Robert B. Lee is named the lead executive producer for this episode following a significant donation. Other associate executive producers recognized include Indira Hoffman, Paul Rudkin from the UK, Lucas Hulkinson from Manitoba, and China Neals from Hong Kong. The hosts emphasize the value-for-value model and the global reach of their production team.

robert b. lee· indira hoffman· paul rudkin· dylan rebolo· eric hritha· china neals· 12vpn

06:05 Please tell us who is or are the executive producers for episode 174 of this fine program known as Noah's Desert. We actually went over the top here this week with a bunch of executive producers, but our top guy, the executive producer, is Robert B. Lee. Robert, Brent and Lee. Hey John and Adam, my wife has donated several times and has convinced me to contribute resources as well. We love the show and would like to support the stream as my wife has. Thanks for all you do. $444.40. Whoa! Clinton, North Carolina. Ah, that's awesome. Thank you so much, Robert B. Lee and your wife.

06:41 The North Carolina, by the way, is I believe will become one of the great wine growing areas of the country. It's interesting, last night on HBO, Bill Maher had his stand up. And I think that was from, I think he was in North Carolina. North Carolina's a great place. Then we have our associate executive producers, Ian Schemes.com, Schemes, S-H-E-M-E-S.com from Pomeranian, Netherlands. Yeah. What? It's Ian, not Eon. I mean Ian, yeah, right. Eon.

07:17 Give us to be 258 and he keeps coming in then we have Nelson Ferreira from New Rochelle, New York who's crediting $210 on behalf of his wife and she's the one who's going to be the executive producer Indira Hoffman. Okay, so do we put both of them in or just Indira? No, no, she wants it for her. Okay, hold on Indira Hoffman, right? Oh, wow. Yeah, we'll get all the spelling later. $200 from Paul Rudkin from Buckingham, Bucks UK. Yeah, Bucks. That's near Buckinghamshire. $202.02, a palindrome from Lucas Hulkinson from Selkirk, Manitoba.

08:05 216 from a Dylan rebel. Oh Last name's pronounced rebel. Oh, here's part of my tax return you guys I was gonna say because there's a lot of executive producers But very few Americans and of course we we pleaded that you think of us when you receive your tax return check So Dylan is the first one or do you think Robert had something to do with that? I don't know but he's in his in Cincinnati gorgeous town $201.95 from Eric Hritha, Coral Gables, Florida, and finally out of Hong Kong.

08:42 China Neal's and IELS it's what he was referred to and I tray he has a China neal's calm I believe is a website. Yeah, we're at 12 VPN commas. Well, that's right. Yeah. Yeah 12 VPN not mention him last week and he's living out of Hong Kong apparently Anderson limited anyway, that's our group. Well, you know what that's that's a great group and it's a very nice Valentine's gift It's highly appreciated as I I certainly have had some additional costs and I would think. You had to move everything you had, you owned in San Francisco, you moved it down there. Yeah. And really the thing I was most excited about was the connection. I swear to God, I was like, I'm going to get a really blast in the... And look at it, we've upgraded everything. The stream connection is upgraded. What were you running the stream at before? 32.

09:32 Oh. Yeah, I mean still if I go on the road I'm still gonna have to keep it down to 32 kilobits because of hotel connections and stuff. But for here at the Hilltop Watchtower, fantastic. You sound great. I mean, who knew you had a voice? I did. I listen to the Horowitz Show. Which you can hear on noagendastream.com. So thank you very much to our executive producers. Robert B. Lee is our executive producer with his wife. Then we have associate executive producers Ian Seamus from ianseamus.com, Indira Hoffman, Paul Rudkin, Luca Hawkinson, Dylan Rebolo,

10:18 Eric, Kurtha and China Niels, all of you are producers for episode 174 of No Agenda, executive producers I should say. Please feel free to list that on your resume, we'll vouch for you. And once you become a knight by the way, then you get phone numbers, right? And we'll actually do reference calls and stuff. I do have to put it up to a vote of the round table. I think the Knights will be okay with it. It's kind of good. We'll find out. But it has been proven to get you jobs. Yeah, actually I had a couple letters somebody was talking about that. We got a note in the email by the guy, our friend who was from New Zealand came out and saw us at the MeVeo offices, gave us some contribution and found $30 on his way home.

CHAPTER 03 / 36 Discussion

PR Associates, Hendrik Smit and Maynard from ABC Radio

Hendrik Smit is credited as a PR associate for promoting the show at a Dutch symposium on conspiracy theories. Additionally, Maynard from ABC Radio in Australia is highlighted for subconsciously using the "In the Morning" catchphrase during a live broadcast. The hosts discuss the growth of the show's memes and the importance of listener-driven promotion.

hendrik smit· maynard· abc radio· netherlands· australia· in the morning· conspiracy theories

11:05 I know, don't you love that? Crack me up. I mean how often do you find 30 bucks on the street? Never. Never. We also have some PR associates for this morning. Oh! Yeah, so the first one is mainly in Dutch but it's short. It's Hendrik Smit who was at a symposium where they were talking about conspiracy theories and he was actually arguing with I think the editor of the Volkskrant which is probably the most respected leftist, it's kind of like the Guardian I would say of the Netherlands. So a bit of a commie thing but they've been around forever.

11:49 And he was saying, hey, you guys just don't write about stuff that you deem to be a conspiracy theory. And of course he worked us in. So listen to it. Our Dutch listeners will appreciate this. The problem is that besides good websites that give good, convincing comments, there are a lot of There it is. That's pretty cool. Yeah, I know. It's awesome. And our buddy Maynard from Australia, he sent me a note. He says it's unbelievable what's happened with the in the morning meme. He's even doing it without being conscious of it. So he's being tossed to by one of his colleagues on ABC Radio, Australian broadcasting company.

12:44 And yeah, he said he actually had to go back to the what they call the logger which is this You know, it's a machine essentially that just law that's just recording everything. It takes it picks up the stream and puts on a cassette Yeah, well, I don't think whatever on a disk nowadays. Yeah, and I think the whole point is it's actually logged by hours So if you want to go You know, fast forward to a certain clip, you just kind of log into a little database. So here's what he found himself doing. He says it was completely subconsciously, but I find that hard to believe. I mean, well, let's listen to it and then I'll give you my opinion. The bassoon that indicates it's time for Planet Maynard. That's what we're doing here, grooving slowly. We are very slow groovers. Now look, I've been driving around the Hunter. I was up at Scone this morning, in the morning, and then before that I was... Before you? At Scone? Yeah, and then I went to Beresfield for a while. You know, do you think the guy is like in bed with his girlfriend going, oh yeah baby, oh that's it, in the morning, oh yeah. It's possible. It is possible, but like whoa.

13:47 So Hendrik Smit and our buddy Maynard from ABC, both PR associates for this episode of No Agenda. It's appreciated because that is as good as a donation often. Yeah, what we need is more listeners because to get the word out is important. And it's a very simple formula. First of all, just to get the word out is important. Second of all, it really helps us because we know that approximately 1.5% of all listeners donate to the show. So if we have more listeners, then that obviously is going to help.

14:24 Oh, this is funny. I just got a tweet saying I misspelled no agenda stream dot com and I have to go put this back in. Meanwhile, let me tell everyone about our formula. It is so elegant. It is very simple. Our formula is this. We go out, we hit people in the mouth. That's right. And we do it twice a week. You can take that to the bank. So, you know, there's a bunch of murder stories this week.

CHAPTER 04 / 36 Discussion

Jordan Brown Murder Case, Juvenile Mugshots and Gun Control

A legal case involving 11-year-old Jordan Brown, who was charged with killing his father's pregnant fiancée, is analyzed. The hosts question the public release of a minor's mugshot and the circumstances surrounding the child's access to a shotgun. They suggest the media framing of the event serves as propaganda for the anti-gun lobby.

jordan brown· pennsylvania· homicide· shotgun· mugshot· second amendment· gun control

15:02 Really? Well first of all you start off with the one that they got my attention about this trend I mean first there's some guy shot up a plus some Restaurant and then there's this crazy star which I have a clip of which is kind of gross. This is the 11 year old Yeah, going to play that yeah Yeah, play it. Let's check in again with our legal guys. We're going to begin with a pretty disturbing case involving an 11-year-old who is believed to have shot and killed his father's fiancé. The child is now 12. Our legal guys are back with us. Avery Friedman is a civil rights attorney and law professor joining us from Cleveland. And Richard Herman is a New York criminal defense attorney and law professor joining us from Las Vegas. We're looking

15:45 at the images right now of the crime scene and there was also the mugshot of this now 12 year old Jordan Brown. What? A mugshot of I mean you can't do that of a minor. Apparently. That's crazy. So Richard what is the charge that is being considered? Is it first-degree murder? It's two counts for this homicide, Fred. For not only the woman, but for the eight-month-old fetus. It's a classic circumstantial case. He got a shotgun for Christmas. It was the gun that was in the house. The ballistics matched the gun. The seven-year-old daughter of the dead woman said, this boy did it. That's the testimony they have. Wait a minute.

16:28 So, the story as I understand it is this 11 year old got a shotgun for Christmas. Yeah. So we go right into the anti-gun thing. So he got a shotgun for Christmas. Apparently he was jealous about this woman who was dating her, his dad. And I guess he hated her. And so he, uh, I guess late in the night or whenever she was sleeping in bed and he put the shotgun up against her head and blew her head off. And, uh, we have a mugshot of the kid, but we do, we have a picture of that. No, no, I don't think we want to see. I have a hard time believing this. I mean, I'm,

17:11 This sounds so much like a plant for the anti-gun lobby. I mean, look at all these beautiful pieces that fit together. And first of all, what father gives his 11-year-old a shotgun in Nevada, I might remind you. Nevada. This is not like Montana. And doesn't have it secured and locked up properly and under supervision. That just makes no sense. I mean, yeah, it's okay. I mean, if you're given your first firearm, parents are supposed to supervise children. You can't just say, oh, here it is. Be careful, kid. That's ludicrous. Now, the other weird story, there's a couple miscellaneous shootings here and there, but the other weird one, which I don't have a clip for, I did have it, I don't know where it went, but a professor at the University of Alabama

CHAPTER 05 / 36 Discussion

Amy Bishop University of Alabama Shooting, Past Criminal History

Professor Amy Bishop is identified as the suspect in a shooting at the University of Alabama in Huntsville after being denied tenure. The discussion highlights reports that Bishop previously shot and killed her brother in Massachusetts in 1986, an incident originally ruled accidental. The hosts examine how such a history allowed her to remain in academia and later acquire a firearm.

amy bishop· university of alabama· huntsville· tenure· mass shooting· massachusetts· braintree

18:02 walked into a meeting, a female sociology professor, armed I guess to the teeth with a 9mm, and they didn't grant her tenure, so she shot six people in the meeting, killed three of them. Again, you know, guns. But this is an interesting story because this goes back, apparently the Fox had turned up the fact that she'd already killed her brother some years earlier with a shotgun. The story goes as follows. she uh... would have shot didn't do whoever is witnessing this for a first it was a shotgun blast in their in the bedroom and then argument ensued between her and her brother then she shot gunned him in the chest and then apparently before leaving and running off she blew his head off with another blast and she got off

18:55 an accidental shooting because the former Police chief of I was Boston or some town some little town in Massachusetts. This is a Massachusetts Just dropped the case She ends up in Alabama with the you know with a nine and shoots three kills three people Yeah, this is like a crazy story. Yeah I mean, I don't know. I mean, there's there's a lot of there's a lot of A lot of pieces to that story. I think the Nevada story is just so much more interesting. An 11 year old with a shotgun in the house, unsupervised. It just makes no sense. Yeah, there's some... well, all these stories are cropping up now and again. And I'm noticing, you know, there's two things that are going on. One is the anti-gun lobby is doing what it can to, you know, just basically disarm the public.

CHAPTER 06 / 36 Discussion

Operation Moshtarak, Marjah Poppy Fields and CIA Funding

The U.S. military offensive in Marjah, Afghanistan, known as Operation Moshtarak, is characterized as a strategic move to secure poppy fields. The hosts argue that the advance notice given to the Taliban was intended to protect the opium crop rather than civilians. They claim the Afghan drug trade serves as a funding mechanism for intelligence agencies and global financial markets.

operation moshtarak· marjah· helmand province· afghanistan· poppy harvest· opium· cia

19:51 And at the same time we're getting a whole bunch of, we're getting more military coverage. Well yeah, actually I was going to say, have we really gotten more military coverage because there was a massive, massive pre-communicated attack on the Helmand province in Afghanistan That you know that it's very interesting to read about this. You know about this huge surge they did? I have a clip. Oh nice, because I have a theory about it. So where's the... Well I think the clip may solve the... will have your theory in it. Okay, so let me just... let's just get some of the facts here. 15,000 soldiers strong, which was not just US but apparently also UK operatives.

20:43 and it concentrated on the town of Marja, which in most stories you'll see mentioned as a Taliban stronghold, but there is something else going on with Marja. Yes, and my clip will reveal it. Because the people of Marjah were already preparing for this surge up to almost three weeks ago, February 4th I have articles of people in Marjah saying, hey, we know they're coming, we're getting ready for them. And perhaps you could explain. Well, we supposedly told them that we were coming in advance to separate the wheat from the chaff, as it were.

21:21 They figured that, well you know, well anyway, the clip kind of says, basically anyone who listens to our show for a while and they hear this clip, they're gonna all go, okay. Yeah, here it comes. Too early in an operation. Taking a look at a map, Marjah is in southern Afghanistan about 360 miles southwest of Kabul. It is also a key area for drug traffickers. Helmand Province is known for producing two-thirds of Afghanistan's poppy crop needed to make heroin, which is also also financing the insurgency. A White House spokesman says President Obama has received multiple updates from the White House Situation Room on the operation in Marjah and is due to speak with National Security Advisor Jim Jones tonight about this operation. Well, there you go. So, of course, they had to announce and say, hey, we're coming because we're coming for those poppy fields, so don't burn them down.

22:15 Protect them. I got some great pictures from Marja of, you know, I got like 12 year old kids sitting peacefully amongst the poppy fields. I bet. It's just like... No shotguns for them. It's like how... and by the way they're in bloom. So once they're in bloom, isn't that too late then? You know, I read, we did this about four months ago before they were gonna do the October, because October's one of the, you harvest those things, I think, twice a year. So I think that one of the harvest times is like the first of November, and I think there's another one in first of March or April. Yeah, check this picture I just Skyped to you. But, you know, the trouble is I don't remember all the details now, but I'm not sure that it, it's that bulb underneath the flower that, wow.

23:06 Beautiful, isn't it? Oh, these are the white ones. I saw there was a couple, occasionally you'll see in the... They're red ones, aren't they? Yeah, the red ones you see in the United States. And there was a stunning plant. No, it's beautiful. I remember, I mean, poppies kind of can grow anywhere, right? Oh yeah, you can, in fact, until recently, they had their radiator do something because when you bought poppy seeds from the spice shop for your poppy seed rolls, those are those poppies. Were the good ones. Yeah, so you could take the box of the poppy seeds and throw them out in your backyard and you have a bunch of opium poppies. So how come we don't grow opium stateside? Why does it all have to be in Afghanistan? I think it has to do with the... I think maybe it optimizes there or maybe you can set up the facilities to make the heroin easier. Oops, you still there John? Oh wow, what just happened? Okay, we're talking about poppy seeds and the connection just broke. Do you have a connection Mick? Did you kick something? Did something...

24:17 He's back, hold on. Hold on John. You there? I swear to God we start talking about the poppies and my connection went down. I'm not kidding. Well it's just... It's a coincidence. Coincidence? I think not! That's crazy man. The minute we start talking about, you know, can't you just grow poppies anywhere? So, um,

25:11 Anyway, you used to be able to just grow them. The problem is it's a heavy labor intensive process. I don't think it's trivial to make the, I mean, there were some poppies growing in a lavender field in Squim, Washington that I saw. I was looking around, I actually took pictures I should post them. It's like what are these poppies because the answer these look like opium poppies and by the way, they're very tall But you're still not answering the question is can we actually I mean why why don't we just grow them everywhere? Because it's illegal. Oh, hello? Yeah, but so is marijuana. I mean, and we don't have a problem growing that. Can you grow them indoors? Can you do them under lights? Poppy, you know, if you had a big poppy field instead of a marijuana field, you'd lose money on the deal. Oh, really? The one thing, the marijuana field, you just pull down the plants and start selling chunks of it. You don't have to do any work. Just smoke it.

26:03 I'm sorry, I'm sorry. It's work. No, no, you're right. I'm sorry. It's work. What am I thinking? It's work. Oh, those people are specialists back there. So let me just say it's very clear what is going on here. This whole raid, which was, you know, I have the, um, Let me see, I have an article. If you look at this article that I sent you, John, it actually says, it's the worst kept secret in Afghanistan. The major offensive set to begin within a few days. This is posted February 4th. If not ours, we'll be for Marja, a district just 15 miles from Helmand's provincial capital, Laksharga. That's like an escargot. Laksharga.

26:52 The military has been scattering leaflets and broad hints everywhere else seemingly hoping that the insurgents will follow recent patterns and melt away. Yeah, right. I'd like to see what was on the leaflet. Hey, you. Somebody's got to get us a copy of the leaflet. Yeah, for sure. Yeah, that'd be it. Interesting to see but you know the thing is it's I think it was like we're coming to get you Taliban Here's a beer if you want to get out of town while we go pick these poppies. It's okay How come no one sees this? Jean Mackenzie and Aziz Ahmad to solve a just apparently see it

CHAPTER 07 / 36 Discussion

Dutch Marijuana Trade Crackdown, Amsterdam Coffee Shop Regulations

The Netherlands is reportedly tightening regulations on the marijuana trade in Amsterdam. The hosts review news indicating a shift in Dutch drug policy that could impact the famous coffee shop culture. This discussion is linked to broader global trends in drug enforcement and propaganda.

netherlands· amsterdam· marijuana· coffee shops· drug policy· cannabis· legislation

27:34 Yeah, but they're not really linking the connections. I mean, if you look at the whole story, it's not actually saying, um, you know, they're saying, oh, well, we have to go get the poppies because that's funding the insurgency. Bull crap. It's funding the CIA and Wall Street. Well, it's doing a good job. Yeah, no it's not. Wall Street is not doing so good. Well, maybe we'd get it up to production. I mean, there's some other action that's going on. What was my son was telling me about? Some crazy, uh, the, the, the, the more toxic, uh, oh, by the way, click on the link on that page that says, uh, the Dutch are cracking down on the marijuana trade.

28:14 Where does it say that? Where does it say that? Look at the picture. Where does it say that? It's right next to that, on the right, just right of that article it says Dutch cracking down on marijuana. Maybe I have a different page, maybe it's dynamically generated. It says most popular. Just under the email article print version, add to Reddit. I don't have it man. Are you, are you, well, click on that link you sent me. Yeah, I'm on that link. I'm looking at it right now. And there's no most popular? No. Okay, well here, let me just send you the link. You're gonna crack up. Okay, Dutch cracking down on marijuana? Yeah. That's what it was? Okay. Well, will you send it already? No, I'm cutting it. Jeez. Just, it's Command L, Command Alt Tab,

29:10 And then to Skype and then control right there you got it. Huh takes you forever old-timer, huh? Push what some of Amsterdam caught what didn't we talk about this just yesterday? No, but look at the picture It's just free Adam. Okay, that's funny That's a good picture yeah, you know we identified Something interesting is our producers have been emailing in about the wacky weed. So this was the story on Thursday's show about this air traveler who got arrested because he was flipping out on weed and of course I highly question that probability.

29:50 being an expert and... No, they're trying, we're gonna see, like we said before, we're gonna see a lot of propaganda about this because for some reason they do not want the Californians to pass the legalized marijuana referendum. Well, but listen, so I agree with you on that, but I have received a number of very disturbing similar emails from our audience, listeners, producers, and apparently potheads Dude, on episode... whenever it starts with... whenever it starts with dude, you know... Dude. On episode 173, you talk about the guy flipping out on a plane on weed. Well, not quite the same thing. My girlfriend had a similar experience a few weeks ago. We don't smoke much but have been regular smokers for a pretty long time. She literally took two tokes and flipped the F out for 18 hours straight.

CHAPTER 08 / 36 Discussion

Medical Marijuana Paranoia, Reefer Madness and Social Stigma

Listener emails describe extreme adverse reactions to high-potency medical marijuana, including prolonged paranoia. The hosts compare these modern accounts to the 1930s "Reefer Madness" propaganda campaign led by William Randolph Hearst. They debate whether current media stories about "flipping out" on weed are organic or part of a campaign to prevent legalization in California.

medical marijuana· paranoia· pcp· reefer madness· william randolph hearst· hemp· propaganda

29:10 And then to Skype and then control right there you got it. Huh takes you forever old-timer, huh? Push what some of Amsterdam caught what didn't we talk about this just yesterday? No, but look at the picture It's just free Adam. Okay, that's funny That's a good picture yeah, you know we identified Something interesting is our producers have been emailing in about the wacky weed. So this was the story on Thursday's show about this air traveler who got arrested because he was flipping out on weed and of course I highly question that probability.

29:50 being an expert and... No, they're trying, we're gonna see, like we said before, we're gonna see a lot of propaganda about this because for some reason they do not want the Californians to pass the legalized marijuana referendum. Well, but listen, so I agree with you on that, but I have received a number of very disturbing similar emails from our audience, listeners, producers, and apparently potheads Dude, on episode... whenever it starts with... whenever it starts with dude, you know... Dude. On episode 173, you talk about the guy flipping out on a plane on weed. Well, not quite the same thing. My girlfriend had a similar experience a few weeks ago. We don't smoke much but have been regular smokers for a pretty long time. She literally took two tokes and flipped the F out for 18 hours straight.

30:39 I had two hits of the same bowl and I was fine but she completely flipped. She wasn't violent but she was way paranoid. Yeah, dude, that's kind of like... Sounds like PCP. Well, and this is... so he even says that he thought it might be PCP but he smoked the same weed and it didn't affect him at all. Well, and yeah, but I'm thinking John could it be a binary thing where maybe it's in combination with something else That you have some other substance like McDonald's french fries Yeah, people are gonna have to go back to show 140 to get that reference. Yeah, so a doctor emailed in, okay, listening to the last episode about the guy in the San Francisco flight who double-dosed on weed, you gave two reasons why he acted like that. One, it was laced. Two, it was a bullshit story. Well, as a, oh, a nurse, I'm sorry, in a drug, alcohol, rehab, and psychiatric facility, we've got quite a great audience, don't we? John, we can get hooked up anywhere.

31:41 I give you option three, the most likely because I see it all the time in Southern California. He was some psychotic guy who happened to get a script for medical marijuana and the guy would have done that regardless even if he had smoked before the flight or not. So what this person is saying is if you're already kind of psycho then the weed could make it worse. But this makes no sense because I've never seen that. You've never, you never, after the reefer madness campaign of the, what was that, the 30s, John? Yeah, late 30s. Late 30s, which of course was meant, was built up by the paper people. Yeah, by Hearst, wasn't it Hearst? Yeah, Hearst and then and Slinger working for the government. Because they didn't want cheap paper being made out of hemp. Right. So then they made up this thing about Mexicans raping and killing women and kids going crazy and killing each other. But

32:36 If you really look at the news reports, you just don't see very often, Guy Smokes joint goes on killing rampage. By the way, here's the problem with Reefer Madness. I don't think they ever got. The movie wasn't about killing, it was about going crazy and going nuts sexually. And so you'd have these guys smoking. There's a great movie, everyone should watch it, just to get the secondary message goes like this. A guy's a normal shy character and he goes to a party and there's a bunch of hotties there and then they start smoking dope. And then the guys just get real horny and the girls go crazy and they're all, you know, without...

33:15 saying it, they're all apparently all having wild sex. Which is like a good thing. Right, so I'm thinking what does the teenager think when he sees this whole wow, like if I can throw the smoke pot, I mean, I gotta... I gotta get me some of that. Yeah, I think it was a poorly done documentary, well not documentary, it was a fictional bull crap story, but I think it was, I think the message, I think they gave the wrong message. It was a thinly veiled endorsement is what you're trying to say. Yes, exactly. Meanwhile, while all of that of course is being outlawed, we have the Vaccines4Teens.net website, John, which you must take a look at.

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Vaccines for Teens, NBA Partnership and HPV Legislation

The "Vaccines for Teens" initiative and its partnership with the NBA and WNBA are criticized as predatory marketing. The hosts discuss pending New York legislation that would allow health practitioners to administer the HPV vaccine to minors without parental consent. They identify Publicis and major pharmaceutical companies as the drivers behind these public relations campaigns.

vaccines4teens· pfizer· merck· nba· hpv· gardasil· new york· publicis

33:54 And there's also, on that, there's also a bunch of Valentine billboards around the country. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. Get a date for Valentine. Get vaccinated for Valentine's Day. I know, I've got some of that in the show notes. What's the name of this thing? It's, here, I'll send you the link because it's such a crazy one you can't even spell it. Vaccinesforteens.net. You have to look at this. Oh brother, oh my, they're going for broke with this. The NBA and the WNBA cares. Influenza, HPV, meningitis, pertussis. And what is pertussis? That's a respiratory disease, isn't it? It's whooping cough, isn't it? Which you get anyway, unless this is a different version. I thought it was whooping cough. Well, the whole point though is that essentially here they are once again propagating drugs

34:47 with vaccines which we know is like the big, that's the big pipeline. They've got like the Benetton kids here on this website. Now here's the interesting thing. Who is vaccinesforteens.net? Who do you think owns that domain name, John? Pfizer? No, it's even better than that. It's Publicis. Motor Media. Yeah, of course. Oh right, the public relations. Of course, of course, public relations. There you go. and see what you can do. Yeah, it's pretty weird. And then on top of that, there are now some legal bills in New York that are pending. If passed, these two bills in New York state would allow health care practitioners to vaccinate children under 18 against HPV without their parents' consent.

35:44 because of course the the bills by the way is targeting the black audiences of the nba endorsement everybody in this picture is black except one and i think everybody you know is that there are a lot of people who like to you know she's part black so here's how it works let me explain and i'm trying to get this is this is really terrible it's it's it is abhorrent i think is the word you would use so the way it's of the way this is coming down is that garza zill and basically Merck and GlaxoSmithKline. So they get the approval for this.

36:21 And they've got to sell it. They've got to move this stuff. It's like 200 bucks a shot. You have to get two. It's this big, big business. This is real important for their bottom line. They're putting out 40 to 50 dollar marketing kits in dorm rooms hanging on doors. They're giving away 75 dollar shopping sprees to kids in malls. And now they're trying to ram through legislation. And you're right, it is targeting the black audience because they think it's an easy target. No, by the way, let's be like Mike, the NBA endorses it. It's disgusting. It's absolutely disgusting. Well, the black community has to be targeted a little bit because there is a undercurrent within the black community that all this is bullcrap and it's just people, just the white man trying to kill some black man in some odd way. And that's what it is. Yeah, that's the joke of it. Yeah, real ha ha, real funny. But in the meantime, when you actually get the NBA, the NBA to endorse this,

37:23 You know, that's like, you know, we know the NBA helps sell tennis shoes and sneakers. So yeah, it's a slam dunk for HPV and influenza. Slam dunk. No pun intended. No, I try. Okay. Yeah, it's bad. It's bad. Oh well. No, it's beyond bad. It's highly irritating. And I think someone should call them on it. Are we the only people that see through this scam? I think most of our listeners, as soon as they see stuff like this, red flags go up all over the place.

38:01 And who knows how effective it is is a crappy website that just showed up Nobody probably nobody goes to it's one of those things where publicists or whoever it is that puts it up gets to ding the NBA for a bunch of money and Black people like anybody how who's gonna go to this website? Well, but there's a bigger there's a bigger organization behind it, which is the US government Society for adolescent medicine Oh, well we need to look into them. Well, it's adolescenthealth.org is what it is. And they call it SAM, a multidisciplinary organization of health professionals who are committed to advancing the health and well-being of adolescents by killing them.

38:55 There's an annual meeting. We've got a population control issue here. There's an annual meeting in Toronto on April 7th. Adolescent clinical care. How to kill your teens with an injection. That's nasty. SAM, Society for Adolescent Medicine. Lovely. Also the name of a strike force missile. Surface to air missile, I think is what it is. Yeah, that's what it is. So that's our new douchebag. You have to say douchebag after you name somebody's name. I don't think you just do a generality about it. Okay, let me try this. John C. DeVore. That doesn't quite work. So can we just stay on health? Hey, by the way, I have a pet peeve. Before we do that, can I just stay on health for one second? No. Go ahead.

39:52 No, no, no, no, please, I would not want to. Not unless you got something good to say. I really actually, well, you know, I have actually a couple today, but this one really bugs me. So I got this paper because I had to put it in to print on the printer from Printworks recycled multipurpose paper with a big picture of a leaf on the cover and an element tree, a big kind of a recycled symbol and another recycled symbol is all printed in green. And it's packaged in plastic! What?! How is this recycling? It's impossible to open thick plastic packaging around this recycled paper. This doesn't sound like recycling to me. It's a scam. Anyway, that's it. Hold on. John, hold on a second. We have a stream fail, apparently. Oh yeah, the stream. Somebody said the stream went down. Although it looked like it was broadcasting to me.

CHAPTER 10 / 36 Discussion

Recycled Paper Packaging, Faux Green Marketing Pet Peeve

A specific brand of recycled multipurpose paper is called out for being wrapped in thick, non-recyclable plastic. The hosts label this "faux green" marketing, where environmental branding contradicts the actual product packaging. A brief technical interruption occurs on the stream during this segment.

printworks· recycling· plastic packaging· greenwashing· environmentalism· pet peeve

38:55 There's an annual meeting. We've got a population control issue here. There's an annual meeting in Toronto on April 7th. Adolescent clinical care. How to kill your teens with an injection. That's nasty. SAM, Society for Adolescent Medicine. Lovely. Also the name of a strike force missile. Surface to air missile, I think is what it is. Yeah, that's what it is. So that's our new douchebag. You have to say douchebag after you name somebody's name. I don't think you just do a generality about it. Okay, let me try this. John C. DeVore. That doesn't quite work. So can we just stay on health? Hey, by the way, I have a pet peeve. Before we do that, can I just stay on health for one second? No. Go ahead.

39:52 No, no, no, no, please, I would not want to. Not unless you got something good to say. I really actually, well, you know, I have actually a couple today, but this one really bugs me. So I got this paper because I had to put it in to print on the printer from Printworks recycled multipurpose paper with a big picture of a leaf on the cover and an element tree, a big kind of a recycled symbol and another recycled symbol is all printed in green. And it's packaged in plastic! What?! How is this recycling? It's impossible to open thick plastic packaging around this recycled paper. This doesn't sound like recycling to me. It's a scam. Anyway, that's it. Hold on. John, hold on a second. We have a stream fail, apparently. Oh yeah, the stream. Somebody said the stream went down. Although it looked like it was broadcasting to me.

40:45 Hold on. Let me just set it up so people don't get all pissed off. It's worth it. Hold on. Wait a minute, that didn't work. Bear with me. Let's try that again. Okay, that should bring it back up. Okay, good. Sorry about that. So...

41:24 Just so people can... John, John what are you doing? I'm typing a Twitter out saying that I started this stream back up. Okay, do your pet peeve of the day again. The pet peeve of the day is that I bought this recycled paper that's got all these logos all over it and it's recycled this way. It's elementary and print works recycled paper, picture of a leaf, designed for everyday use, contains recycled this and that and it's packaged in this plastic package. It's plastic. John Cena or X-Men Fever Day. Like, what kind of recycling is this? Yeah, it's faux green. This is what we call that. Faux green. Anyway. All right, so for those of you rejoining us on the stream, I don't know, I guess they, we dropped out the minute we started talking about growing poppies at home in America, they pulled the plug. Without advocating it, by the way. No, not at all. It was just a question. It was scientific research.

42:23 And all of a sudden the plug got pulled. But like seriously, on my end, this connection has been up for 24 hours. And then the minute we talk about that, boom, it goes. Eh. Yeah. Coincidence? Yeah, exactly. Coincidence? I think not! So, uh, what else we got here? So here's the thing that's interesting. We're talking about the gun situation. Now I'm cruising around the dish network, which is cavalierly, you know, drops channels in and out of the whole thing. So 9405 shows up. Okay. A new channel. Yeah. And what is it?

CHAPTER 11 / 36 Discussion

Pentagon Channel Expansion, Military Propaganda and Cable Bundles

The Pentagon Channel's availability on commercial satellite and cable providers like Dish Network is discussed as a tool for military propaganda. The hosts critique the channel's content as boring and suggest it lacks the engagement of modern reality television. Curry also mentions his recent upgrade to a Time Warner Cable "Triple Play" bundle.

pentagon channel· robert gates· dish network· time warner cable· propaganda· triple play

43:02 Pentagon channel. You know you can get that on Ustream and a couple other... You can always get it. It's been around since 2004 but apparently Gates during the Bush administration in 2008 decided instead of just because it was originally designed as a kind of a TV channel for a closed channel for the military so they can get you know official news. Internal only. So then they said let's use this as a you know Why should we do press conferences with the media and there's a really nasty interesting story on ABC's blotter about it bitching about this thing because you know, they don't have to It's just it's just a propaganda You know what the problem is with that channel. They don't have any good reality shows

43:48 They will they need to show yeah, but they need to have like yeah like a cooking show where you're cooking show with a sergeant guy and he and it's like Dead that far as I can tell looking at the way these wars are good. We don't even use Army cooks anymore. They seem to be outsourced I think we need a reality show like you know Some poppy growers in Afghanistan and how they're always you know it's like and they have the GI's come by and hey we're gonna attack you next week you better hide it. Kind of like that 70s show. That would really make the channel interesting. Right now it's pretty boring. It's always kind of interesting when you see everyone in uniform when they're on screen. Yeah, the guy's giving the news he's wearing. He's got a bunch of... It's like that doesn't really work. How about a suit and tie? You know, it's like... So if people want to check it out, you go to PentagonChannel.mil. Yeah. Oh, they have streaming there?

44:44 They have all this stuff you they have it they have the act kind of there's a bunch of all the stories are there you can click on them so I've diversified John I took the television package from Time Warner so with your cable yeah, yeah, so that phone too. Yeah, I got the phone you had triple play yes And it feels good I got triple play. I got triple charge is what you get. Damn, that's expensive. No wonder people are giving up their cable subscriptions. It's unaffordable. It's pretty high. Considering it's a passive business except for the fact they have to keep up the internet. Well, that's not entirely true because they do have to pay HBO and Showtime and Cinemax and they have these carry charges. I mean, there is actual cost involved with all this. It's not free for them to pass that on.

CHAPTER 12 / 36 Discussion

2010 Winter Olympics, Nodar Kumaritashvili Luge Fatality

The death of Georgian luger Nodar Kumaritashvili during a training run at the Vancouver Winter Olympics is addressed. The hosts discuss the high-speed nature of the Whistler track and the media's repetitive broadcasting of the crash footage. They suggest that despite the tragedy, the incident likely increased viewership for the games.

vancouver· whistler· luge· nodar kumaritashvili· olympics· georgia· sports safety

45:38 So what did you get the full package the full Monty? Yeah, of course I did. Yeah, no, I've got to be able to scan you've got the dish network. So you've got the channels they're covered and I've got to see what's going on over here. Of course HD the first thing I flip this thing on the first HD I get is a slow-mo of the of the the Georgian loser. slamming into the into the steel pipes at the at the Olympics my god They stopped showing that I didn't get to see it. I wasn't interested. Oh, yeah I turned it on almost and couldn't been more than an hour after it happened and they were running Repeats and slow-mo's and look pretty good in HD. I mean not for the guy but Wow

46:23 So what happened? He went over the edge and slammed into a pipe? Yeah, so well first of all you forget that these are actually kind of dangerous sports and in a way it's probably very good for the ratings because people go, oh shit man that's like NASCAR stuff can actually go wrong. So the guy, you know, he- You can get killed! Yeah you can, this is dangerous stuff. So he's near the uh... It comes out of a turn into a short straightaway, but he loses control of his sled and then he flips over and he flips out of the track and hits this steel beam. And of course people are like, well, you know, we should have had the beam padded. I'm like, listen, it's not speed that kills, it's the lack of speed. And it doesn't matter if you hit a steel beam or a padded steel beam, your organs are going 90 miles an hour and you bring those to a full stop, you're gonna die.

47:10 Were you going to be severely hurt? Yeah, he'd be a vegetable if it was padded. Yeah, so he passed away. Of course, it's incredibly sad, but great for the ratings. I can just hear the executives go, oh, ha, hee, hee, hee, hee, because now people are watching. So, I see Nelson Ferreira just sent us an email. He gave the money for his wife and he said, by the way, her location is in Brazil. And then he dared me to pronounce it right. You want to give it a shot? Curitiba, I think.

CHAPTER 13 / 36 Discussion

Baxter International Plasma Theft, Poland Blood Recovery

Police in Poland reportedly recovered 11 tons of stolen human blood plasma belonging to Baxter International. The hosts recall Baxter's previous controversy involving the accidental distribution of H1N1-contaminated vaccine materials in Europe. They speculate on the black market value and potential uses for such a large quantity of medical plasma.

baxter international· poland· blood plasma· h1n1· pharmaceutical industry· theft

47:52 I say you failed. Probably. Hey, what's that story? You know, we were talking about pharmaceutical companies. What's that story about 11 tons of plasma that was stolen? Yeah, didn't we do that last week? No, no, it came in during the week and apparently, so here's the story. In Poland, police, oh actually they recovered 11 tons of human blood plasma that had been stolen from Baxter International. Now Baxter of course we know as the company that released the H1N1 virus in a vaccine and sent it to 13 or 18 countries in Europe. And luckily a lab technician discovered it before people were infected and killed.

48:43 And what is Baxter doing? I didn't know Baxter was in the plasma business, which we know is a huge business. Oh yeah, it's a big business. Sucking it out of poor people and selling it to rich. Yeah, yeah. But 11 tons of plasma? That's a lot of sucking. That's a lot of plasma. Yeah. Huh. I don't know. It's another one of them stories that we'll probably keep in the back of our minds and then something will trigger a thought and we'll figure out what was going on there. Maybe they're doping it up with some sort of crazy virus or something. Well, you don't know. Anyway, so just to stay briefly on these Winter Olympics. So, you know, the story now about Whistler, and it's a

CHAPTER 14 / 36 Discussion

Global Warming Narrative, Vancouver Snow Shortage and Snowmageddon

The lack of natural snow at the Vancouver Olympics is contrasted with the "Snowmageddon" blizzards hitting the U.S. East Coast and Europe. The hosts argue that climate activists selectively use weather events to support the global warming narrative. They note that Whistler officials have had to resort to trucking in snow and using chemical stabilizers on the slopes.

global warming· climate change· vancouver· whistler· snowmageddon· ipcc· weather

49:30 It's not just Whistler, it's the big snow problem they have. And it seems like, and I'm no weather expert and I'm certainly not a climatologist, although looking at the IPCC it doesn't take much to become one and contribute to and report. But it seems like the lack of snow is being used as a pro-global warming tactic. Yeah. And from what we're getting from... Wait a minute, aren't they the ones who say it's because of climate and weather? Is that the same thing? How can they... They moan and groan, these people, when you talk about those snowstorms in Washington, D.C., but now they can use the same argument when it comes to Vancouver? You're telling me that? Apparently.

50:13 Well that doesn't make any sense. Yeah but it's whatever hits the headlines. So we're getting a lot of interesting feedback on this from our Canadian listeners and we have quite a number of them. And they're saying you know typically the weather that's kind of what the weather is the whole point of Whistler in particular is that it's kind of nice. You know it can get to like six or seven degrees Celsius But you're on a glacier up there, so you can still ski and snowboard. I've been up there, and I have to say the weather was really nice. You can wear summer clothes almost. Yeah, I know. Whistler's notorious for being warm and snowy. Yeah, but so they don't have any snow, and all the officials are like, oh, this is freaky, and whoa, this has never happened before. Meanwhile, the rest of the world is in shambles.

51:05 You know, it's still snowing in Europe, in most parts of Western Europe. The east coast of the United States is under Snarmageddon. Snarmageddon? Snowmageddon? That's like Smarmageddon. Smarmageddon sounds good. Yeah. So it seems like this is just being used a little bit. And, you know, they're talking about, oh, you know, all of the snow was melted while they were injecting water onto the ski slope. They actually you know that like they left the hose on overnight or something or I got about it and screwed up the slope screwed up the slope Do the Winter Olympics instead of regular skis have those skis that have wheels on them, yeah, that'll be fine just go down the dirt And isn't the the Olympics isn't that traditionally

CHAPTER 15 / 36 Discussion

Olympic Truce Violations, Greece Debt and Corporate Branding

The historical concept of the Olympic truce is contrasted with the ongoing military offensive in Afghanistan. The hosts also link Greece's current financial crisis to the massive debt incurred during the 2004 Athens Olympics. They critique the shift in Olympic aesthetics from individual achievement to corporate branding and nationalist medal counts.

greece· 2004 olympics· debt crisis· stephen colbert· corporate sponsorship· nationalism

52:02 Isn't it supposed to be like a truce, like a ceasefire in all wars around the world whenever the Olympics are held? Oh yeah, yeah. Yeah, that's what it is. Yeah, maybe pre-World War I. Well, I'm just saying because of course we had that massive Marjah offensive that was launched during the... pretty much at the same time the... Oh, but there was a nice distraction of the week now come to think of it. Yeah, the Olympic Games, the Winter Olympic Games open up and we move into the poppy fields. The distraction of the week on the Woolwoods agenda

52:40 There you go. You know, you gotta pick those things when you gotta pick them. You don't have a lot of choices. It's not like a big, it's not like a huge two month, I don't think, you know, range of time where you get to get in there and get that juice out of there. The poppies I'm talking about. Right. Well, let's find out exactly when the harvest is so we know for sure. All right. Interestingly enough, there was a story that I found in the Atlantic online, the business section. They're saying that Greece's financial problems, which of course a lot of it was just covered up and their deficit was supposed to be like 3% or 3.1%, but after they said, ooh, looks like we had some accounting error, it shot up to 12 or 13.

53:32 A lot of news now saying that this is because of the 2004 Olympics, that they went so deep into debt that that basically screwed up the entire trade balance. I remember when they were putting that, I was actually in Greece I think a year before the, they were building out for the Olympics coming in 2004 and they were talking about breaking the country then. Well, I'm gonna break the country. We can't afford this is ridiculous. We must have it We are Greece and Greece is where it began you know which is nonsense of course the whole thing is just a staged commercial enterprise and With huge gaps between you know what happened, and it wasn't the same They were naked by the way in the original Olympics, which was cool back in the day so well that was on I was seeing the

54:24 Everything was the Colbert report and they had the guy on who was a curator for some museum and he was going through the artwork for different Olympics and it was always about the individual and of course naked individual and then even in in the 40s you had the Olympics in Berlin you had the... Well actually the 30s I think is when the Berlin Olympics... 30s I'm sorry, the Berlin Olympics. And it was all the individual, the individual, then all of a sudden, we got these crappy logos and like weird puzzle looking pieces and all this crazy stuff. It was no longer about the individual, it was basically about the corporation, the corporations that are sponsoring it. Right, and the nationalist teams.

CHAPTER 16 / 36 Discussion

Pedobear Mascot Prank, Vancouver Olympics Media Blunder

A Polish newspaper and several other media outlets mistakenly published a modified Vancouver Olympics mascot image featuring "Pedobear," an internet meme from 4chan. The hosts find humor in the mainstream media's failure to recognize the prank. They discuss how the image was inadvertently included in official programming guides and news reports.

pedobear· 4chan· vancouver olympics· mascot· polish newspaper· internet meme· hoax

55:12 How many medals did the United States get today, Jim? We got three golds, one silver and one bronze. What about Russia? There was some weird brouhaha. Let me see if I can find it. Or a brouhaha, perhaps. Brouhaha. Let me see if I can get the story right. So you have the Olympic, the Winter Olympic logo which includes this wacky set of bears. Right, but somebody made a picture and put what they call the the pet the pedo bear in there So the pedo bear Is of course that's short for pedophile bear. Okay, so he's a bear Okay, so if you just google it you'll find out so okay. Okay, so you have the Winter Olympics logo Which is these bears right and these bears with the with the Olympic rings on their chest and then someone as a joke

56:14 I guess the pedo bear was originally devised by members of the anarchic 4chan message board as a way of mocking users who expressed a sexual interest in young people. And so they redid the logo with this pedo bear in it. And so, but mainstream news is so stupid. They're publishing this. They're just grabbing it from Google, right? Because it's got all the juice. And so basically the pedo bear is showing up everywhere. Pedo bear seal of approval. Let me find this. Pedobear.org? Yeah, pedobear.org. That's bad. It is pedo bear plush as a ride. Yeah, that's the one. So you see, if you just, if you Google

57:02 for the Winter Olympic is the mascot. This is very funny. It's showing up in programming guides and newspapers. It's like the wrong Sarah Palin book that started showing up. It's almost like publishing Goetze. It's just as bad. Polish newspaper claims pedo bear is 2010 Vancouver Olympics logo Peter yeah, you look up Peter Olympics pedo bear and Google and then hit the news thing you'll get Apparently, of course it start with this Polish paper. It looks like Yeah, they're the ones that publish it first but unbeknownst on that way co-ed magazine a bunch of different ones stupid idiots

57:53 And of course they can't go and debunk it on mainstream news, you know, because then we'd be talking about, we could be deemed sex offenders as news readers. It would be so wrong. Peter O'Byrd joins Winter Olympics lineup. Yes, bad. You're just surfing and enjoying it, aren't you? Sorry, I'm just a... There's one of the pictures that was in the newspaper. It had all these different little logo characters. That's bad. Great gag, guys. Whoever was responsible. Pass it on to whoever they were and give us our compliments. That's a good one. And we need more of that. We need the no agenda bear.

58:47 Yeah, we do need a bear. We can get him, slip him in here and there. Or no agenda, some sort of mascots or maybe a series of them that can be kind of dropped in. They have to look like something that would be like official. That's so bad, John. That's so bad. All right. I think we should talk about how people can help us find these fantastic little nuggets of internet lore and pass them on to you because this of course will get you good yucks at any cocktail party if you can turn people onto the pedo bear. Yeah, definitely. And as you know, we have no commercial interruptions on this program because we're interrupted enough by the CIA and the NSA disconnecting us. You know, so why bother with even more disruption by putting in commercial messages and of course severely limiting our ability to actually speak about topics? Can you imagine if we were sponsored by the Olympics? Oh yeah, we'd be in jail. We would. Yeah, you and me and a guy named Bubba.

CHAPTER 17 / 36 Discussion

Listener Donations, Cable Cutting and Global Support

The hosts read a series of donations from listeners in the Netherlands, Minnesota, London, and Calgary. One donor highlights that his contribution comes from money saved by canceling his cable subscription. The discussion touches on the viability of alternative media and the "redistribution of wealth" from giant media corporations to independent podcasts.

hulu· cnn· calgary· london· jersey city· wagga wagga· donation· cable cutting

59:50 Right, the real pedo bear. So, alright, let's go over a couple of people that gave us money. Let's start with somebody we overlooked. Idiosyncrasy is his code name and he wants us to plug Totsitu.net, T-O-T-S-E-T-U dot net. Which is kind of a, it's a weird site. I mean there's some, there's all kinds of interesting stories but there's a lot of hostility on it as well. There's a lot of hostility out there. Paul Stecklenburg, 69, or 6699, he has an interesting idea for donors, especially in Europe. He's in Breda, Netherlands. Breda.

1:00:35 How do you say Gouda again? Say it. Gouda. He says he thinks it's a great idea to donate now before the euro falls more. Oh yeah, because it'll only get more expensive. Yeah, you get more bang for your buck. Brandon Kayley, Le Sueur, Minnesota. 50, Leon Hemings. And by the way, Leon Hemings is in Bourne and Buckinghamshire. But he's on the street, and there was something, I guess, I don't know, but the name of the street is Which End, W-H-T-C-H. The rear end, of course. Which End. Bill Airst, also in London, 5555, 5420 from Brentwood, Wajinowski, in Oshkosh, Wisconsin, home of the Oshkosh Air Show.

1:01:31 Sorry home of the Oshkosh air air show. Oh that too, right? Oh, yeah, Oshkosh is the Mecca of Air shows you kidding me? Yeah and then 6660 from Dean Chartier in Calgary who's I think even before but he has a long note. I'm gonna say The second payment has resulted from canceling the cable. I like to think of it as my own program for redistributing wealth from giant media to no agenda. I also signed up for a $5 per month plan to supplement my personal layaway night program. I'd be sending more money to the no agenda stream program a little later in the month, but I want to keep the distribution, redistribution of media cash on the main program. More people should try it. I don't miss cable. And in fact, I was out of town on Groundhog Day and turned on CNN to see what was going on around the world. The top two stories were the study about how people

1:02:20 who watch more than four hours of TV a day are 80% more likely to get heart disease. You know what? I'm down with that. And if you're thinking of giving up your cable, think about it. Cable is like six or seven hundred bucks a year. If you're lucky. Exactly. And then you've got no internet with it. But yeah, I mean, I pay fifty five bucks for the premium package. That's on top of the thirty dollar standard package. That's a knighthood. That's a knighthood right there on an annual basis. It's crazy and you can get everything you want. Oh, so there's that one show you want to see? Oh, go get it from Hulu. And then hook a brother up and join. I've talked to more people that watch Hulu all the time. $100 from Francis Guare, Square, it rhymes with Square, it's Guare. Deerfield, Illinois. Tristan Lennon again from Wagga Wagga. Another $100 from him. He's a regular. Yeah, isn't he close to, he must be like three quarters of the way to a knighthood.

1:03:21 Yeah, he's almost there. But I just like saying Wagga Wagga. Ray Manguel from Jersey City, $50. He wants to plug RadioGuy.com. And then Robert Wright, a student from West Midlands, UK, says that he's donated 50 bucks. He says he's a student and he can't afford it, but he's going to do it anyway. And finally, Tong Andrew, who's in Hong Kong, another 50 from him, and he did say, gung-ho fat choy. As a reminder, that's New Year's Chinese New Year. Well, you know, it's heartwarming to hear a student from the British Midlands who really can't afford it but is still donating to the show. And he's a great example to his peers.

CHAPTER 18 / 36 Discussion

Alternative Media Economy, Leo Laporte and PayPal

Adam Curry discusses his own habits of donating to other independent creators, including Leo Laporte's TWiT network. The hosts encourage listeners to support the "shareware" economy of software developers and podcasters. They emphasize that the No Agenda model relies entirely on this voluntary exchange to remain independent of corporate influence.

leo laporte· twit· paypal· shareware· freeware· independent media· digital economy

1:04:08 And by the way, donate to all forms of alternative media. I think that you enjoy. You know what? We can set up a small economy of money that's flowing around. I mean, PayPal, although expensive and Not necessarily the best way it seems to be the most ubiquitous way to send money online We're gonna add a Google thing too because some people just insist. Okay, that's fine You can never have too many ways to donate the money, but you know I do use PayPal to send it back You know I I buy apps On my iPhone which is not of course PayPal, but it is the digital money I

1:04:47 I donate to other websites, to other shows. I donate $10 a month to Twit or at least that's Tip Leo. I listen to the show and I found myself actually, you know, this is a while back, I was like, I'm a freaking hypocrite. You know, I listened to one of the few shows that I watch regularly. I actually watch it. I like watching the video portion. I think it's extremely well done. And then Leo starts his tip thing up again. I'm like, okay, I'll subscribe for 10 bucks a month, which I think is the only option. And it's worth it. It's a 10 buck a month show, no doubt about it. It's worth every penny. But then there's websites, if they have a donation drive, I'll donate to them. And even some of our listeners have hit me up for cash because they're like starving and I've given money to them through PayPal. So you can go to noagendashow.com, dvorak.org slash N-A-N-D-O-R-A-K.

1:05:46 channeldvorak.com slash N-A-N. We would appreciate it. We also will be listing all the executive producers who were so kind this week to give us a great amount of donations. I might as well re-mention their names. Robert Lee, Ian, Dion, Ian, Ian Chemis. Indira Hoffman via Nelson Ferrara, Paul Rudkin, Lucas Hockinson, Dylan Rebolo, Eric Hertha, and China Niels. And I'd also like to say that many of the No Agenda militia who you can always find hanging around the chatroom at noagendachat.com are software developers. And back in the early days, pre-PayPal, we had this thing called freeware or shareware.

1:06:38 and there would be a little thing that say, hey, can you contribute? And of course then it was check or money order, which was very inconvenient. But if you download a program that is, it asks for a donation, and if you find yourself using it regularly, or if maybe it's a one-off deal, but in many cases, you have these little programs that you're using over and over again, and yet, it costs you nothing to download and to use, but send some money to those guys. You know this is a this is we can you can really create an economy now John I can't live off of this yet but we would like to and I'm definitely you know moving in that direction just by setting myself up for it with a better connection.

1:07:22 Think about it. I mean it's it's already a hundred bucks a month just for the for the internet and then I'm sure you want to know our stream costs are going up by the way. That's that's just not free Yeah, no we're gonna have that's one reason we started I know it in the stream plan, and they don't and they don't take It's a right off the credit card and then finally Adam and John Despite your attempts my name was still pronounced incorrectly During the donation section of NoAgenda173, my name is spelled G-I-E-L-E-N. That's the I before the E. My name is Chris Gielen. Gielen. Not Gheilen, which of course is not, is like, is being horny.

1:08:11 Oh right, yeah, Highland means being horny? How would you use that in a sentence? You would say, ze zat me op te geilen. Oh man, no American can say that. It sounds like you're trying to cough up something stuck in your lungs. Noagendashow.com or go directly to the donation page at Dvorak.org slash NA or ChannelDvorak.com slash NA. I do agree if you were thinking of donating now is the time to do it because the euro is probably only going down from here.

1:08:47 And you can get in cheaper now, and we really appreciate it, and if you're going for a larger amount Please please consider going for a monthly donation five dollar a month is I think our lowest option But you know the lucky number 30 is in there and and it is it is known to to bring good karma upon you Curious you didn't get any lucky number 30s this last week that I recall. By the way, we did get a couple of checks which are sent to the box and I'll thank these people on Sunday because there was a really interesting note that came with it that I want to read. So okay, back to work. Yeah, let me start off with this one because when I first started talking about this over a year ago even you John scoffed at me

CHAPTER 19 / 36 Discussion

Airborne Laser Test, Boeing 747 Missile Defense

The U.S. Air Force successfully used a high-powered laser mounted on a modified Boeing 747 to shoot down a ballistic missile in flight. The hosts remind the audience that they predicted the deployment of directed energy weapons over a year ago. They discuss the potential for these "ray guns" to be used for both lethal and non-lethal crowd control.

airborne laser· boeing 747· ballistic missile· directed energy weapons· reuters· us air force

1:09:35 When I talked about- I don't scoff. Oh you do. You go, oh brother. Oh here we go again. As I told you that they were going to shoot lasers from airplanes down on objects either on the ground or flying around. Actual lasers, yeah. This is Dr. Evil stuff. We told you so on No Agenda. We got a couple of we told you so jingles. We told you so. I think if you have one as an opener and one as a closer. I never disagreed with the fact that they were going to shoot lasers from an airplane at some point. You were at some point and I said they were already testing it and it was working. So let me just do this again.

1:10:23 We told you so on No Agenda! It's time to rub it in your face once again as we told you so that they were going to shoot you with lasers from the sky. A high-powered laser aboard a modified Boeing 747 jumbo jet shot down an in-flight ballistic missile for the first time. Yeah, not really because we've seen we know about the test that was going on. Highlighting a new class of ray guns. Yes, the flying laser. There's pictures. Have you seen this thing? The ALTB, the airborne laser test. I'm surprised a plane can fly after they fire this thing. But it has no recoil. No, I'm talking about the amount of energy it sucks in. It must put out the magnetic field. God knows what's going on in there. Well, it's a forward directed, you know, it's a forward looking laser. It's a highly... I think a laser with a recoil would be great.

1:11:18 And they're even talking about it now. This is the stuff that I remember you chuckling when I said directed energy weapons. Here it is. And this is in the official, this is Reuters. Directed energy weapons use highly focused rays to attack a target rather than chemical powered arms. Those in control can tweak the strength involved, unlike a bullet or a bomb allowing for less than lethal uses, i.e. stun versus set to kill. This is great stuff. So, you heard it more than a year ago right here on NOAGENDA. Now it's official on the record and you won't see it on the news. We told you so. I wonder what they did there. The details are so sketchy on this story. They don't tell you what the missile was. This is the Air Force's news.

1:12:11 agency looks like put this out or that French operation not sure no it's official website the US Air Force I'm looking at their press release yeah well it looks like they'll be blasting us in a you know one you had to be a right one of these days a single flyover and then blow up the you know the protesters Yeah, no, it'll be just be targeted lock on just fry you and I'm telling you this is how they got Michael Jackson They fried that guy from outer space whether it was from the International Space Station. And by the way one more thing about Michael Jackson. Okay, maybe you don't agree with my theory as to how they killed him, but you can't deny that they now have a murder suspect. Yeah, people out there who haven't listened to the show long enough should realize that Adam actually went on to CNBC or one of these networks to talk about Michael Jackson, who he knew, and said, I don't know why they're not looking into it as murder. This is like right after nothing and they just cut him off. They hung up on him. It was while they were announcing the big,

CHAPTER 20 / 36 Discussion

David Letterman Post-Production Edit, Survivor Promo Gaffe

A noticeable audio overdub on the Late Show with David Letterman is analyzed, where Letterman's voice was clearly edited to correct the premiere date of the show "Survivor." The hosts discuss the technical clumsiness of the edit and Letterman's history of experimental television tropes. They suggest the network forced the fix to ensure the promotional plug was accurate.

david letterman· cbs· survivor· post-production· overdub· television blooper

1:13:10 the big ceremony, the big thing they were gonna hold at the Nokia Arena or whatever. And they needed some filler. They didn't drop in the morning on that one. I don't think we were doing in the morning at the time. So I got a piece of, I think we were, oh you're right, we brought that in after that family game. Yeah, no, it was much later, much later than that. So I got a couple in more eclipser that I wanna go over. But you wanna do something a little light? Well, we could do... And now, back to real news. Well, you know how there's a joke that goes around about people who do the You know where they have to do a post edit and they drop somebody's voice in or something like that to cover up us some mistake You rarely see it done in you know in high-end your multi on network productions Like perhaps you wouldn't expect to see it on the Letterman show. Okay. Hold on a second. So we're talking about is

1:14:11 Something went went wrong or someone said a bad word or what? It's like and here do here we have our guest. Hello, Mr. Because I said the wrong name right? Okay. Got it. Yeah, so this happened on the Letterman show check it out. Okay, here we go Wow, there they are Survivor Heroes vs. Villains premieres Thursday, February 11th at 8pm right here on CBS. Do you remember? But he does that on purpose. No! Yes, he does. He messed it up, but instead of trying to make it sound exactly the same, he decided... This is the old, if you can't cover it up, turn it up. That's funny. Maybe it's possible. Wow. There they are.

1:15:02 Survivor Heroes vs. Villains premieres Thursday, February 11th at 8pm right here on CBS. Do you remember? You might be right. It was important. Here's what happened. So he says it wrong, but it's a plug for a CBS performance. So the network guys are all freaking out. It's like, the whole point of having them on your damn show was to promote the performance on the 11th and you said the 12th. And then Letterman goes, alright, I'll fix it. Watch this, bitches. Wow. There they are. Survivor Heroes vs. Villains premieres Thursday, February 11th at 8pm right here on CBS. Do you remember? Yeah, I think you're right. It's perfect. That's what I would do. That's funny. So, but I cracked up when I heard it. It was just so out of the... It was just ridiculous. Yeah.

1:15:57 You got a couple more clips. I'm sorry. In the olden days when he was doing the show on NBC late, the later show, he used to do these experiments constantly where one show, the whole, they would rotate the camera 360 just so he was like flat and then it'd be slowly angling to the right and then about halfway through the show he'd be completely upside down. Yeah, yeah. And they brought around, but my all-time favorite one was they took the show, made a transcript of it, and then overdubbed everybody's voice with a guy with a deep Mexican accent. So the Democrats seem to be quite self-destructing here, if you haven't noticed.

CHAPTER 21 / 36 Discussion

Democratic Party Leadership, Ed Schultz and Al Franken

MSNBC host Ed Schultz and Senator Al Franken are cited criticizing the Obama administration's political strategy and managerial approach. The discussion focuses on the perceived incompetence of White House leadership, specifically Rahm Emanuel. The hosts examine the internal friction within the Democratic Party as they face potential losses in the upcoming midterm elections.

ed schultz· msnbc· al franken· rahm emanuel· harry reid· democratic party· white house

1:16:43 I've been trying to stay away from it. I feel it's not good for my heart. So, but it's funny, there's a show that's trying to make, trying to get traction that is getting none called The Edge Show. It's a ranting Democrat. You know, I've actually, I saw a bit of The Edge Show. They seem to have some reasonable reporting here and there that it's kind of funny. Yeah, but Ed is just a ranter and he's trying to get attention. But he's definitely like a Democrat ranter. And here is a little clip where he just rants about what's wrong with the party. And then he's got a guy from The Nation, which is another apologist for the Democrat Party, explaining why everything is going awry. And this is all based, this is the background, and this is based on the fact that apparently Al Franken came out publicly and said that the Obama administration's

1:17:34 the people in the White House, the managers, which would be Rahm Emanuel and the rest of them are incompetent boobs. Boobs you say? So these guys went on a little tirade here. And what network is this air on, CNN? I think, no, I think the Ed Show, I thought it was MSNBC. It's an NBC... Okay, the Ed Show.

1:18:13 is gonna lose no matter how you cut it he's gonna lose it is gonna take a miraculous comeback for him to win in Nevada you know this this is a meme that's going on to hear a lot of this Harry Reid is losing out and I hear the Democrats say it a lot actually yeah so why doesn't he just say let's go get it done the hell with the Republicans they've obstructed it the people get that they understand that What are the democrats waiting for? Well, they are waiting for what you said they need to grow. But let's be blunt about this. The democratic party has bad political leadership. Right now, the signal that they are getting is that they should be a managerial party. That they should come in and manage the country.

1:18:56 the mess that the Republicans left. The fact is nobody in America, not liberals and not Tea Party conservatives, want that mess to be managed. They want it to be cleaned up. They may have different ideas about how to do it, but they want somebody stepping in to act. And as long as this White House and too many people in this Congress decide to manage the mess rather than to address it, they are playing with fire. Al Franken was right. This political team in the White House is blowing it. They're blowing it badly. And Debbie Wasserman Schultz, Congresswoman from Florida, said that they could lose up to 25 seats in the House. You think that's an accurate number? Yeah, I've charted it, Ed.

CHAPTER 22 / 36 Discussion

Christina Romer Economic Report, Academic Background Critique

Christina Romer, Chair of the Council of Economic Advisers, is criticized for her academic background and condescending delivery during an economic briefing. The hosts argue that her lack of private-sector experience makes her unqualified to advise the President on the economy. They play clips of her speech regarding job losses and GDP, likening her tone to a kindergarten teacher.

christina romer· council of economic advisers· gdp· unemployment· mit· uc berkeley

1:19:35 So meanwhile, of course, MSNBC hosting, according to this news story, Ed, which is Ed Schultz is his name, is tearing into Robert Gibbs and the rest of the Obama team, telling the White House press secretary that it's full of shit. Well, you know what? They actually are. And I have the most recent briefing from Robert Gibbs where he gives up the podium to Christy Romer. You know who Christy Romer is? No, no. Christy Romer. She is the... I gotta call her Crusty now. Christy Romer. She heads up the president's economic team and she's never had a real job in her life. She's an academic and she presented the economic report. And when you hear this woman talk, you want to slap her. She's like a kindergarten teacher.

1:20:34 She's the most irritating, it's like, well, hello class, let me just, yeah, listen to this. Listen for a second. I gotta get a shot clock up here. You Gibbs, you dick. I hate that guy. Dick. So he's going to introduce Christy Romer. Google her for a second, John. She looks like a kindergarten teacher. How do you spell it? It's just Christina Romer error error ROM er I believe let me see yeah ROM er Christina Romer she is the the chair Chairwoman all right right right now. I've seen this woman before you have so she's speaking somebody's forcing her to eat too many potatoes I can tell you that right now. You know it's like, but she's just disgusting the look she looks condescending She is the look sanctimonious, and this is this is something that is happening all over the place we get these women who just look

1:21:28 They look condescending, they speak condescendingly, and what does she have to back it up? She's an academic. She's never been in any type of big business, little business, or any business as far as I can tell. But she's so proud to be the chairperson of the President's Council of Economic Advisors. Isn't John Doar on that? These are some people who have been in serious business, and she's the leader of them. It's just weird. Let me just fast forward and we'll get to her. I like to think that this year's economic report is particularly important, not because of me, but because of the times that we are facing. She sounds like the principal from Ferris Bueller's Day Off.

1:22:28 Listen to her. I think if you think about the economic challenges that we face, there's probably not for a very long time been as great a set of economic challenges. And of course these span all the way from, you know, of course the immediate crisis, right? When we came in, if you remember back to a year ago, we were losing close to 800,000 jobs a month. Real GDP was plummeting. Our financial system was uh... certainly very stressed and there were real questions about uh... what would be happening but we also know that there was a reason that the president had run for president on a lot of economic issues even before the economic crisis. You see, children before the economic crisis and the president inherited all of this. So we

1:23:11 from all the studies that we'd have done. Bueller. Stagnating incomes for middle class families, soaring health care costs, the fact that as an economy... She says it so cavalierly. You know, she's never really, it looks like she went to, right out of high school, she went to College of William and Mary, and then got a PhD from MIT, probably in economics, obviously, which is like, interesting. Then upon completion of her doctorate, this is according to Wikipedia, so it's probably sketchy, but upon completion of her doctorate, she started working as an assistant professor right away at Princeton. In 1988, she moved to UC Berkeley, and she was promoted to full professorship. She's never done anything but this.

1:23:52 Yet she's in charge of advising the president on what to do. I mean, how does that make sense? She probably talks a good game. You know, you always have to remember there are some people that are, you know, when you get them in a certain kind of a situation in a meeting, they can talk you into hiring them because they're actually natural salespeople and she must be one of them. It's a skill set that you don't have to, it exists in all areas of life. I mean, you sell yourself to become a professor, you sell yourself to get a job as a writer, or you go out and sell cars. She must be really good at this, and she's managed to talk her way into this position. Well, I don't think it's because she was blowing somebody, that's for sure. I never know, though. Well, yeah, well, I'm guessing you're right, though.

CHAPTER 23 / 36 Discussion

Wolf Blitzer and Jane Harman, Military vs. Civilian Courts

CNN's Wolf Blitzer is accused of "railroading" Congresswoman Jane Harman during a debate over whether the Christmas Day "crotch bomber" should be tried in civilian or military court. The hosts note Blitzer's use of a public opinion poll to silence Harman's defense of the civilian justice system. They suggest this media narrative is a setup for the further militarization of domestic law enforcement.

wolf blitzer· jane harman· pete hoekstra· cnn· miranda rights· crotch bomber· enemy combatant

1:24:44 So anyway, yeah, well Gibbs Gibbs Gibbs gives the man who writes on his hand. All right. So what else we got here? I got a couple more. I want to do okay. Look, there's no I gotta get the other screen back up. I could tell you I do it a little intermittent. So okay, so we have I also want to get to a meme. I am I am sensing and one of the reasons I got involved with the Pentagon channel dot mil is because of this meme that I keep I'm starting to hear more and more of it. And what's really weird about this next clip, this is the wolf blitzer clip.

1:25:22 This has got Jane Harman arguing with a Republican, and she's not getting a word in edgewise. Blitzer is essentially taking the Republican tact. This has to do with the never-ending story about the Muttala crotch bomber and the fact that the FBI arrested him and then within 55 minutes read him his Miranda rights, and everybody's all upset about it because we should be waterboarding the kid. And so this has become a, I think this is a big setup for further militarization of the public in the United States. No, you don't say. Because they want the military to start, you know, taking, being involved in arrests, not reading people Miranda rights, which, you know,

1:26:09 Right, oh of course, yeah, yeah, yeah. So of course, yeah, that makes a lot of sense. So we make a big deal about how we blew it this time. And by the way, so what Blitzer does here is he points to a public opinion poll that was probably questionable to begin with, saying that 76% of the people disagree with the idea of arresting the crotch bomber and then, you know, by the police and then sending him to a civilian court. He should have been tortured minimally. We've already gone over the meme about how great waterboarding is. So, but this one here, this is the most egregious kind of railroad job I've ever heard Blitzer do, because he obviously got the word to just tell Harmon to screw herself and then just go on with the Republican who had, who was on the side of why didn't they, you know, they shouldn't have done that. It is old news, by the way, but there's still, but he watched the way he handles this, the conversation between the two people, and then he cuts them off.

1:27:03 claiming that the satellite was going down when you could visit. There was nothing going on. There was no satellite going down. Oh yeah, that's my favorite. Oh, sorry, we lost you. Oh, we'll have to try to get back to them later. It's a long clip, but hear it out. Oh, you're talking to me? Yes, on that phone call, when John Brennan called you and told you he was in FBI custody, Abdel Farouk, Abdel Muttalib, did you ask whether he had read his Miranda rights? No, I did not. Was that a mistake? Now in hindsight, now that John Brennan is saying that we had that discussion, there are lots of questions that I had that night that were not answered. It was a very quick cursory overview and then as John Brennan said himself on Sunday, we will stay in touch with you, Congressman, as we move forward.

1:27:50 Most Americans, according to this Quinnipiac University poll, Congresswoman Harmon, agree with Congressman Hoekstra on this issue. The Christmas Day bombing suspect should be tried as an enemy combatant. 76% say he should be. Only 19% say he should be tried as an ordinary criminal, which is what the Obama administration wants to do. Who's right? Well, I think this argument is really foolish, Wolf, and let me explain why. We missed an opportunity right after 9-11 to put a very clear set of rules around interrogations and detentions of all

1:28:26 of these folks arrested after that date. We missed it and we've been in a hodgepodge system ever since. This man was arrested on U.S. soil and every single case of someone arrested on U.S. soil means that he goes into the criminal justice system. There was not just an FBI, but an FBI, CIA and... You're in the minority. You're in the minority. You're over the 19%. No, but let me respond to some of the things that Pete said in the last segment. Let's let Pete Hoekstra respond to that. You're in the majority 76%, but I take it that he was treated, Abdulmutallab, exactly the way Richard Reid, the shoe bomber, was treated. He was read his Miranda rights within minutes. He was treated in a criminal court. Let me let Congressman Hoekstra respond to that. Were you complaining at the time of

1:29:18 the Bush administration's handling of these domestically arrested terrorists. I think that you identify exactly the problem, Wolf. Richard Reid was treated that way. There were no alternatives. Since that time, Congress has passed legislation that would allow the Christmas Day bomber that there would be a decision that could be made that would put him into military custody. That way we could have had more thorough investigations he would not have had the you know the right to stay silent he would not have had the right to an attorney while he was being investigated we could have gotten more valuable information that perhaps would have been actionable and we could have done things in Yemen and going after al-qaeda on the Arabian Peninsula we missed opportunities all right to be continued unfortunately we're losing your satellite connection right now but I promise both of you will be back to continue this conversation

1:30:10 Now in all fairness I will say I think what he meant was he might be losing the satellite window But even that seems like a pretty thin excuse. Well she was trying to get a word in I hear a mumbling in the background He just basically wasn't gonna listen to her so something's up because CNN and Wolf Blitzer are not Yeah, so somebody's sending a message. There's two messages that are going out besides this one, which is militarization of the general public or in the public space. In other words, here, you know, in other words, somebody could just determine you're a military or an enemy combatant because you said something bad, by the way, and that there are proposals to keep people from talking. Oh, yeah. Even though we are not even at war. No, if you're a Ron Paul supporter,

1:30:56 Or if you carry the Constitution around on your iPod as an app. Or if you listen to no agenda, you could be deemed a military combatant and then you can be waterboarded and thrown before a military tribunal. That's the whole point. Now the other thing is there after somebody's after John Brennan and I haven't gotten to the bottom of this yet, but he is the If you listen to that clip again to right off the bat John Brennan John Brennan John Brennan and again I've seen a lot of their slamming this guy's ex-wife CIA I believe. Wait a minute, didn't John Brennan, wasn't he running the Iraq, the whole Iraq show for the first couple years?

CHAPTER 24 / 36 Discussion

John Brennan CIA Controversy, Analysis Corporation

The hosts investigate the background of White House counterterrorism advisor John Brennan and his ties to the Analysis Corporation. They discuss the ongoing friction between the CIA and the Obama administration, noting that Brennan previously withdrew from CIA director consideration due to his past association with controversial interrogation techniques.

john brennan· cia· analysis corporation· obama administration· waterboarding· intelligence

1:30:10 Now in all fairness I will say I think what he meant was he might be losing the satellite window But even that seems like a pretty thin excuse. Well she was trying to get a word in I hear a mumbling in the background He just basically wasn't gonna listen to her so something's up because CNN and Wolf Blitzer are not Yeah, so somebody's sending a message. There's two messages that are going out besides this one, which is militarization of the general public or in the public space. In other words, here, you know, in other words, somebody could just determine you're a military or an enemy combatant because you said something bad, by the way, and that there are proposals to keep people from talking. Oh, yeah. Even though we are not even at war. No, if you're a Ron Paul supporter,

1:30:56 Or if you carry the Constitution around on your iPod as an app. Or if you listen to no agenda, you could be deemed a military combatant and then you can be waterboarded and thrown before a military tribunal. That's the whole point. Now the other thing is there after somebody's after John Brennan and I haven't gotten to the bottom of this yet, but he is the If you listen to that clip again to right off the bat John Brennan John Brennan John Brennan and again I've seen a lot of their slamming this guy's ex-wife CIA I believe. Wait a minute, didn't John Brennan, wasn't he running the Iraq, the whole Iraq show for the first couple years?

1:31:35 maybe wasn't he the because i have a i've always had a letter that's brandon's brother okay yeah i know this is a guy with xcia a or is going to be the xcia is assumed early on the memory of the did the entry here in his bio to similarly on this some that brennan would be played the next director of the cia by obama brandon withdrew his name from consideration or concerns that is not made should be a distraction due to his previous association with controversial harsey interrogation so he's a waterboarding guy Now, I don't know what the deal is with it, why they're out to get this guy, or if this is part of the CIA Obama feud, or what.

1:32:12 But he was the CEO, I think, before he got involved with the Obama campaign, of something called the Analysis Corporation. That sounds like some Blackwater kind of thing. And if you look at their logo, it says, where technology and intelligence converge. A private company in McLean, Virginia, of course. and they have a website. It's a think tank isn't it? Well it's called and it's also got the logo that says tech. Yeah it's probably a think tank or some sort of a money laundering you know I wouldn't say that necessarily I'm not accusing them of that I'm just saying

1:32:57 It may be a conduit for moving money around. And by the way, I just clicked on their website and it's not coming up at all. So who knows? Maybe they closed when he quit, I don't know. So more investigation needed, I guess. Yeah, no, we had to figure out what the deal is because they're out to get this guy. A number of people are out to get this guy. I don't know who's if even Obama wants to keep him or maybe he's got something to do it I have no idea but this wolf blitzer turnaround picking the side of you know military justice over civilian justice in the USA on our soil I thought was peculiar he wouldn't let Harmon get in a word edgewise and she's the Democrat the whole thing doesn't make any sense unless it's a setup G on CNN You think that would happen, huh?

CHAPTER 25 / 36 Discussion

Blackwater Fraud Allegations, Prostitutes and Barbecue Pits

Two whistleblowers have accused Blackwater (now Xe Services) of defrauding the U.S. government by billing for unauthorized expenses, including a prostitute in Kabul and a barbecue pit. The court papers allege the company generated false invoices for travel and categorized illicit expenses as "morale welfare recreation." The hosts question the culture of corruption within private security contractors.

blackwater· xe services· whistleblower· fraud· department of state· kabul· amman

1:33:48 You mentioned Blackwater, just to make sure we don't overlook all the fun facts. Two former employees of Blackwater worldwide. We know that there's two whistleblowers and of course this is really under-reported news. They now are accusing the private security contractor of defrauding the government for years through phony billing, including charging taxpayers for alcohol-filled parties, spa trips and a prostitute. as one prostitute. She was really good. All right. And well, they passed her around, but she was actually on the payroll. Hookers and Blow paid for you paid for by you. She was on the payroll. Yeah, that's pretty nice. That's sweet. Yeah. It's like a

1:34:35 Call Ms. Jones up there. I thought these guys were like a bunch of Christian characters that were evangelicals. I mean, the guy who heads Blackwater is a very religious person. I find it hard to believe. This story may be bogus because I find it hard to believe that such a religious group... No, no, no. These are court papers because these whistleblowers, you know, this is a real case that is taking place. So, court papers, I don't have the actual court papers here, I'm sure we can get a hold of them. Mellon Davis said in court papers that while working in Blackwater's finance department, she questioned how the company could bill the government for its workers' travel expenses to and from Iraq when it lacked the documentation for those trips. She said later, she said she later traveled to a hotel in Amman, Jordan where Blackwater personnel often stopped en route to Iraq while there.

1:35:23 She said corporate officers directed her and two co-workers to generate reams of false invoices for plane travel at inflated rates so her bosses could overcharge the government. So this is, you know, here we go. Overpayments allowed the vendor to provide a barbecue pit for Blackwater staff parties, which is nice by the way, and The Davises, this is a husband and wife team. These guys aren't making enough profit that they can buy the damn barbecue pit without phoning up the records. This is sketchy. The Davises assert that Blackwater officials kept a Filipino prostitute on the company payroll for a State Department contract in Afghanistan and billed the government for her time working for male Blackwater employees in Kabul. The prostitute's salary was categorized as part of the company's morale welfare recreation expenses. That's what we need to call it, John. The No Agenda Morale Welfare Recreation Expense Fund.

1:36:22 Please, send us your money. My God. I don't know, this sounded like a straw man, red herring kind of a thing here. Something doesn't make, doesn't add up. These guys are making money hand over fist and they're phoning up records so they can buy a barbecue pit? Come on. Well, you know, once this type of corruption really gets in an organization that I mean, this is low level stuff, right? This is not at the top. So that's just cultural. You know, when everyone's doing it, hey, let's just get a barbecue pit. Let's get some hookers in here. That's how it goes. Well, I mean, there's there's some truth to that. It's low level. It's low level. It's low level and unimportant because even if it's a conviction like I had to clean up your books, fire the people who are doing that shit.

1:37:04 But it comes from the top. Yeah, no, everything comes from the top. So I see a stack just sent me an email about we're talking about the the Muttalib guy and apparently Joe Biden on Meet the Press just now made a gaffe. He keeps. Yeah. And this let me just read about it. I'll read it from this this report. You've got to love Joe Biden. Watch Meet the Press. Blah, blah, blah. When asked about Mirandizing terrorists. Joe defended the decision. He went on to say that we look good in the world's eyes if we are fair and treat terrorists fairly. Then he went on to say that we're going to find him guilty anyway and he will be executed. Indeed.

CHAPTER 26 / 36 Discussion

Joe Biden Gaffe, Buy American Provision Debate

Vice President Joe Biden is mocked for a "Meet the Press" appearance where he defended the fair treatment of terrorists while simultaneously predicting their execution. The hosts also discuss the removal of "Buy American" provisions from the stimulus bill, noting that other nations like China and Japan successfully implemented similar protectionist measures in their own recovery plans.

joe biden· meet the press· buy american· protectionism· free trade· max baucus

1:36:22 Please, send us your money. My God. I don't know, this sounded like a straw man, red herring kind of a thing here. Something doesn't make, doesn't add up. These guys are making money hand over fist and they're phoning up records so they can buy a barbecue pit? Come on. Well, you know, once this type of corruption really gets in an organization that I mean, this is low level stuff, right? This is not at the top. So that's just cultural. You know, when everyone's doing it, hey, let's just get a barbecue pit. Let's get some hookers in here. That's how it goes. Well, I mean, there's there's some truth to that. It's low level. It's low level. It's low level and unimportant because even if it's a conviction like I had to clean up your books, fire the people who are doing that shit.

1:37:04 But it comes from the top. Yeah, no, everything comes from the top. So I see a stack just sent me an email about we're talking about the the Muttalib guy and apparently Joe Biden on Meet the Press just now made a gaffe. He keeps. Yeah. And this let me just read about it. I'll read it from this this report. You've got to love Joe Biden. Watch Meet the Press. Blah, blah, blah. When asked about Mirandizing terrorists. Joe defended the decision. He went on to say that we look good in the world's eyes if we are fair and treat terrorists fairly. Then he went on to say that we're going to find him guilty anyway and he will be executed. Indeed.

1:37:52 Mr. O'Biden coming to get you, son. We're gonna... It doesn't matter, dude. We're gonna kill ya. It's just... Are you getting two to the head? This is how... I'm sorry. This is how it works. You know, we know we set you up, and you did the right thing, but, you know, they didn't... You didn't read the fine print of your CIA contract. to get two to the head my brother. Didn't realize is you remember when we did the tar and all the rest of it? There's all these bailouts and whatever and they were gonna put in the proof in within the law where that was gonna be passed There was gonna be provision people had to buy American. Yes, and it had to be American cars American cars had to be American made American this American that everybody got all bent out of shape about including the Canadians who so I every that doesn't make any sense and and the

1:38:58 And so there's a big brouhaha over this whole issue and they took that proviso out. But, but Harman brings up an interesting point which I thought was worth at least considering when we discussed this in the future. Okay. people watching did not yeah well the answer is they're not not stared there bought off by the the fact of the matter is that when china passed in a hundred and twenty some odd billion dollar stimulus package a year ago uh... past and they've been mandated The Chinese stimulus, 100% of that money had to be spent on Chinese goods made by Chinese workers inside China. When the Japanese passed their stimulus bill and their Cash for Clunker program, they had one that was almost identical to ours, both required that all products be made by Japanese in Japan. Period.

1:39:46 when we passed ours there was a buy american from provision put in their body russ feingold from wisconsin as i recall and he was taken out it was taken out because that first of all the republicans insisted demanded that he'd taken out but even then when you know the republicans were in you know it was they were able to get a pass you know, past the filibuster, they could get 60 Democratic votes. The only way they could get 60 Democratic votes was because you had conservatives like Max Baucus saying, oh no, you can't have Buy America Only in there. That would be wrong. That would be inconsistent with free trade. I thought that was kind of interesting. So I'm not sure what to make of it, but something to think about.

CHAPTER 27 / 36 Discussion

DOJ Job Listing, Targeted Disabilities for Trial Attorneys

A job listing on the Department of Justice website for trial attorneys in the Voting Section is highlighted for its "targeted disabilities" clause. The hosts point out that the list of encouraged applicants includes those with mental retardation and mental illness. They question the logic of seeking mentally deficient candidates for high-level legal positions.

department of justice· civil rights division· voting section· disabilities· hiring policy

1:40:32 I can't end the show with that, John. Besides the fact that we have way too much to talk about, for instance, the Department of Justice on its official website has job listings and of course, you know, I look there from time to time, you know, to supplement my income. Its Civil Rights Division is seeking 10 experienced trial attorneys for its voting section in Washington, D.C. and of course as federally mandated, encourages qualified applicants with targeted disabilities to apply. And if you then look at the targeted disabilities, it includes mental retardation and mental illness.

1:41:16 as those who may apply as trial attorneys for its voting section. What? Okay, you weren't listening to me were you you were looking at federal spending org, but then you're going on about Apparently mentally deficient attorneys for some trials or okay So there's a job listing on the Department of Justice's official website the Civil Rights Division seeking 10 experienced trial attorneys for its voting section in DC and says qualified

1:41:52 applicants with targeted disabilities should apply and then if you look at you click on the link for targeted disabilities it says blindness deafness mental redartation and redartation and mental illness what So, of course that means that there's no, for one thing it says they have to be qualified, you know, trial attorney. And of course nobody that has those disabilities is one. So the whole thing's a scam so they could say, well, we asked for it and nobody's up here. They didn't, you know, they didn't want the job. Americans, another job Americans don't want. But at the same time, what kind of, what if they got one of these guys? They'd have to take him. Criminally insane.

CHAPTER 28 / 36 Discussion

Internet Licensing, Airport Body Scanners and Islamic Law

Microsoft executive Craig Mundy's suggestion that bloggers should be licensed is met with derision. The discussion shifts to TSA body scanners, noting a fatwa issued against their use by Muslims and the potential health risks of millimeter waves. The hosts criticize former DHS Secretary Michael Chertoff for profiting from the sale of these scanners through his consulting firm.

craig mundy· microsoft· body scanners· tsa· fatwa· michael chertoff· sfo

1:42:35 Just thought it was kind of interesting. I thought it was kind of, yeah, that is weird. Let's see. There's, I'm sure you've blogged about this, but there's still some chatter in the wake of Davo, where the chief research and strategy officer for Microsoft said, you know, we really should have, bloggers should be licensed, should have like a driver's license. A douchebag. Whoa, there he is. There he is. What's his name again? Craig Mundy, Chief Research Strategy Officer for Microsoft. There you go. Finally. Yeah, have a freaking driver's license for blogging. I didn't hear this story, by the way. Really? Control freaks want web license to end bloggers anonymity.

1:43:28 That's it. I'll put it all in the show notes at noagendershow.com and I'll just say it myself. I'll pat myself on the back. These show notes are pretty good. There's definitely... I'm supposed to say that. That's the deal we made. You give me like 15 bucks a week to say it. You just want to hold out on me. Now I'm not going to get the 15 bucks. That's right. I'm welching on it, dude. I'm not giving you anything. Airport body scanners apparently violate Islamic law. Makes sense makes nothing but sense. Yeah, it violates my law too. It's wrong I think it'd be funny if they said okay. Well you're a Muslim. Yeah, okay? Go on through go on line. Yeah, exactly. I'm cool that waiting in line violates the So there's apparently a fatwa that forbids Muslims from going through the scanners at airports and

1:44:20 And I had the choice at SFO on the way down to Los Angeles and I went into the longer line and I just looked at all those people. And I looked at them and said, you poor sheep. You poor sheep just wait and see all of them actually think it's cool. You can tell people are like kind of excited. You're an exhibitionist you would know better. What if you got a really long schlong? Wouldn't you like to go into that thing just to make everybody go? Hey, buddy, good luck with your life. Well, you know, Mickey, check it out. Mickey refused to go through because, of course, she's a staunch listener and supporter of no agenda and makes the pancakes every Sunday morning.

1:44:56 And so they forced her through the naked scanner and she said, you know, I really would like, I prefer a pat down. I don't want to be scanned. And so here's what happened. They say, okay. And then they cordon you off in a, like a three by three. They literally pull that tape around you. You know, the one that is on the spring roll that you pull out and hook up to the other pole. So they put her in this box. She waits for like 10 minutes for a female assist to come over then she has to go behind the glass which I've never understood you get patted down behind the glass so everyone can see anyway. She gets patted down and so but she felt kind of like you know it's stupid just standing there in this little 3x3 cordoned off box and then they say so why don't you want what that's to make her feel stupid so you won't do it exactly and then they said so why didn't you want to go through?

1:45:48 And she says, well, you know, I'm 39. I'm still of childbearing age. I have no idea what your scanner is going to do and I don't trust it. There's not enough information about it. And they said, yeah, you could be right. Acceptable, acceptable answer. Please carry on. Enjoy your shopping experience. So I think the There's evidence, there's some evidence that those millimeter waves cause cataracts. Well they can cause all kinds of, I mean you should not have any form of, I mean you shouldn't stick your head in the microwave either. But it's just radiation, you know? Who knows? Well, it's not gamma rays. No, it's not that kind of radiation. It's like radio waves, only it's up to the... Look, for years they're telling you you're going to get brain cancer from your cell phone, yet please step into this box.

1:46:45 Well, the other thing is, I mean, for years when I was a kid, they used to have these fluorescent devices in the shoe store and you'd put your feet in there and you could see how the shoes fit because it was x-rays. Oh yeah, I remember those. At Kinney's shoes. They had them everywhere. And then somebody came up and said, holy crap, this isn't good for you. And so they stopped doing it. But you know, who knows about these things? They're not tested. I'm sure these, you know, take the pat down and bitch about it. Just make the other line longer. Yeah. I mean if the Muslims don't go through it, you know, what's the point? We're led to believe that all the terrorists are Muslims and it seems as though most, at least all the ones that are trying to blow up planes seem to be. So, and they're not going to go through this thing and they're supposed to be protecting us against the crotch bomber. What good is it to have it at all? It's just a waste of the taxpayers' money. Duh.

1:47:38 And of course it's Michael Chertoff who owns the company, former Secretary of Homeland Security. He owns that company or he's one of the owners and board members. It's his company and a total scam and they're buying a thousand of them. It's in the budget. It's already in there. We read it so you don't have to. So they have SFO, how many? Only one at SFO at the international departure, which is where Virgin America flies from. Well, you know, you can still get in there by going through the United thing and then walking your way over to the International thing because you're inside the... Oh really? Oh yeah. Well I'm just gonna ask, I mean they have signs right there if you want a private pat-down you can ask for it so when it gets to the point where you have no choice between the metal detector or the naked scanner I'm just gonna ask for a pat-down. I'm not gonna go through it. I'm not gonna. No way.

CHAPTER 29 / 36 Discussion

Sergey Aleynikov Goldman Sachs Trial, Spanish Civil War Investigation

The trial of former Goldman Sachs programmer Sergey Aleynikov for allegedly stealing high-frequency trading code is discussed. In a separate international story, Spanish magistrate Baltasar Garzon faces legal challenges for investigating disappearances from the Spanish Civil War. The hosts suggest Garzon is being targeted for attempting to expose historical death squads.

sergey aleynikov· goldman sachs· high-frequency trading· baltasar garzon· spain· amnesty law

1:48:36 And you're right, if I had a huge slong, I would consider it. Yeah. There you go. Other people up for the 2 to the head of the week award. Sergei Alenchenkov is now on trial. This is the spy who was immediately picked up by the FBI who apparently work for Goldman Sachs. He took the code for the high volume flash trading system. And so it's going to be very interesting to see what he says while on the stand. I don't think it will behoove people to hear him actually say what's going on with this, because of course this is how the markets are manipulated and how Goldman Sachs is becoming wealthy beyond their wildest dreams, completely manipulating the market and admitting to it. So he's on trial. So we pray for him because of course he is part of the No Agenda Militia by extension.

1:49:40 being a programmer and then we have this other guy Baltasar Garzon and This is interesting. This is a very well-known magistrate in Spain and he is investigating the fate of 114,000 people who disappeared without a trace after the Spanish Civil War of the 1930s and the government is up in arms about about this and The public prosecutor's office says Mr. Garzon has no right to conduct the investigation because of an amnesty law introduced in 1977.

1:50:19 But of course, do you know anything about these disappearing people, John? I think they were sent to Nazi concentration camps or just gunned down and thrown in a pit. They were the people fighting the fascists. So this guy will turn out to be a pedophile, right? That's what will happen with him. Either that or he winds up killing himself. Or both. Yeah, it'll be something like that. Or that or... I mean, of course, they say that there's an amnesty thing which is to protect the people that were involved. But it was only to protect him from prosecution, it's not to protect him, it's not a gag order. So they were just irked by the fact that he's gonna name names if he can. And there's gonna be a lot of probably important people that everyone had a high-risk guard for and then they find out they're part of a death squad.

CHAPTER 30 / 36 Discussion

Bill Clinton Heart Surgery, Clinton Foundation Scrutiny

Following recent podcast segments questioning the transparency of the William Jefferson Clinton Foundation, Bill Clinton underwent a heart procedure to insert stents. The hosts jokingly suggest the timing was a reaction to their scrutiny. They note Clinton's quick recovery and public appearance the following day.

bill clinton· heart surgery· stent· clinton foundation· better business bureau· transparency

1:51:01 And interestingly enough, right the day after we once again exposed the William Jefferson Clinton Foundation as sketchy at best, scam at the worst, with high executive salary, no disclosure or insufficient disclosure according to Better Business Bureau, then the guy has to go in for another heart surgery. He's like, hey man, Bill, John and Adam are at it again. Oh, my chest. Yeah, right. It would be so funny if Bill Clinton actually listened to this podcast. But he was out the next day. Yeah, I know. Isn't that weird? Yeah. And he was like, he went out to talk to reporters and he seemed fine. But I guess what they did is they put a stent in his leg. I thought it was his chest that was bothering him.

1:51:53 I think they put a bomb in him. Exploding boobies. He probably does have moobs. But anyway, he hopped out to say hi to reporters the next day, so I guess he's doing okay. Something interesting out of Iceland, who of course are being squeezed to no end by the British and the Dutch for these loans that... The Icelanders refuse to pay. Well, it was the commercial banks that messed up and Britain and the Netherlands paid off the IceSave Bank's debts and now they're saying to the government, hey, you guys, you gotta pay up. And they're like, well, hold on, that was a commercial bank. No, but the whole country is liable for it. But now Iceland has the Icelandic Modern Media Initiative

CHAPTER 31 / 36 Discussion

Iceland Media Haven, Microsoft Flight Simulator Predator Drone

Iceland is proposing the "Icelandic Modern Media Initiative" to become a global safe haven for investigative journalism and whistleblowers. Meanwhile, Microsoft has released a Predator drone module for its Flight Simulator, which the hosts view as a tool for preconditioning the public for domestic drone surveillance.

iceland· wikileaks· freedom of speech· microsoft flight simulator· predator drone· uav

1:52:52 and they want to make it like a free haven for bloggers and podcasters and they want to kind of make it the the wiki leaks of the world I like that idea yeah you want to hear a little bit of a clip? yeah let's see I've got something here from the BBC... ...very interesting proposals it's very interesting it's very important that a country thinks hard about the law that protects its freedom of expression I guess my, I have a couple of comments about the proposed law. First of all, I think they are likely to be of more symbolic value than they are practical.

1:53:34 practical value, very difficult to enforce outside of Iceland. And secondly it seems to me to be interesting symbolically that they wish to ally themselves with the United States, the freedom of speech fundamentalists, rather than with many other countries in the EU. You would take a very different line. on the appropriate balance between freedom of expression and the protection of reputation. Well there you go John, we can always live in Iceland. We'll be okay there. We might be chilly, but we'll be okay. It's not that cold. I mean, it gets cold, but it's a nice place. And it's actually kind of, you know, they have, they heat the place with all the geysers that they essentially run through. They get free energy from geothermal and then they take the waters from the geysers and they run them into town. And so your hot water and your heating, so that's free. It's actually kind of interesting.

1:54:34 Microsoft's mom so I'm just one more little anecdote that talked about this before but I'm gonna repeat myself The one funny thing about is that they've come You're repeating yourself. I know the funny thing is they pumped that hot water into the Into the shower. So we take a shower you stink to high heaven afterwards Well that kind of removes the whole point of a shower, doesn't it? Yeah, yeah those Icelandic people Microsoft, as of yesterday, in Gitmo Nation East, Great Britain, we found the extension pack for Microsoft Flight Simulator, the UAV Predator module. There you go. Reconnaissance, surveillance and target acquisition. Yes kids, you too can learn now how to fly a Predator drone. There's a future for you in the army.

1:55:32 This reminds me of the movie The Last Starfighter, an under-credited classic cult film where apparently these aliens from outer space that planted a couple of video game machines and any kid who could beat the game would then become the next general of the army because he could fly to these missions. Yeah, cool. And I'm thinking that this is just basically training. Yeah, well that's exactly what it is. It's preconditioning. It's getting you ready. Oh, absolutely. I think there's going to be thousands and thousands of these predators eventually. They're going to be flying over everywhere. And I still thought it would be funny if at the Super Bowl they flew about 30 predators over rather than just... In formation. Well, they're going to be used over the 2012 Olympics in East London.

CHAPTER 32 / 36 Discussion

Earthquake Machine Theory, Canary Islands Mega-Tsunami

Adam Curry updates his "earthquake machine" theory, shifting the predicted target from Iran to the Canary Islands. He cites the potential for a volcanic eruption on La Palma to trigger a mega-tsunami affecting the U.S. East Coast. The islands are also noted for their strategic importance as a telecommunications hub and a site for CIA rendition flights.

canary islands· earthquake machine· tsunami· la palma· oil deposits· cia rendition

1:56:24 So we already know that and they'll uh... Hey, you know, it's only a small step to putting one of those lasers on it. It shouldn't be that hard. Just, and it shouldn't, you know, not a powerful one, just one to stun ya. Hey, hey, hey, hey slave! Hey, hey, hey! What? You're not gonna bait? We need to get a sound effect for the laser going off. I do have a sound effect for the earthquake machine. Which leads me right into our next topic. You smell what Barack is cooking. Oops. You smell what Barack is cooking. As we turn the earthquake machine vector towards the Canary Islands. There we go. It's a desert roller coaster. Yeah, I know.

1:57:13 I didn't make it. Okay, so some interesting information about the Canary Islands. As you know, I rescinded my original prediction of the next earthquake machine target being Iran and have changed that to the Canary Islands. And boy, people have really been doing some research, the producers out there. First of all, this article, it's all in the show notes at noagendashow.com under the Haiti and earthquakes section, which will be expanded to the Haiti and Canary Islands earthquake section. The eruption of a volcano in the Canary Islands could trigger a mega tsunami that would devastate Atlantic coastlines with waves as high as 330 feet, scientists said on Wednesday. So it would actually be pretty damn bad. There was actually a small earthquake two weeks ago, 3.8 on the Richter scale, so not really worth mentioning. They do have an active volcano. And then...

1:58:09 Ah, here it is. Canary Islands information. Okay. Did you know, John, Canary Islands is a major sub-transatlantic underwater telecommunications data hub? Huh. It is in excellent position in relation to the Americas continent, Africa and Europe. Even Columbus thought so when he sailed from La Gomera towards America. Yeah, we knew that, it's strategically located. The United States already used the Canary Islands as a hub for its deployment to conflict areas. It's a hotspot for CIA rendition flights.

1:58:48 And the reports, and we spoke about this by Repsol, YPF 2008, Canary Islands has a major 1,000 million barrel deposit of oil that they know of. So it's a really very interesting place and would make a lot of sense to take over. Yeah, we need to take it over. And it wouldn't take much, you know, just to say, hey, you know, we're coming to help you. Yeah. Oh, and by the way, sourced from the chat room as if the Everybody Hurts song wasn't bad enough. Now, I didn't even know this was happening. This is this is this is a complete outrage. They have remade We Are The World for Haiti.

CHAPTER 33 / 36 Discussion

We Are The World for Haiti, Gary Coleman's Criticism

A 25th-anniversary remake of "We Are The World" produced for Haiti relief is criticized for its use of auto-tune and celebrity posturing. The hosts reference an interview where Gary Coleman argued that relief funds should be prioritized for New Orleans and victims of Hurricane Katrina rather than international causes.

we are the world· haiti· quincy jones· lionel richie· gary coleman· new orleans· katrina

1:59:44 You sure or is that a hoax? Yeah It's not a hoax. I have the video here. I'm going to bring it up. It's introduced by let's see I think Jamie Foxx is a Recording we are the world to help after this Lionel Richie now. It's time to help Haiti So please download to donate at world 25.org. Listen, we need John we need Lionel Richie and Quincy Jones. Hey made possible by visa. Thanks guys Lionel Richie and Quincy Jones to Get people to donate for us 25 years ago Quincy Jones gathered an amazing group of artists and musicians to create we are the world Yeah, exactly how did that work out that original we are the world USA for Africa How did that work out by the way it was that was 1980

2:00:31 I want to say it was 1982? 83? So it was more than 25 years ago, wasn't it? I don't know. I don't have the date in front of me. I'll tell you this, I was watching the final football. I gotta play some of this for you, John. Oh, it's... Yeah, we gotta listen to some of the song! I thought it was just the same song, they had to change the lyrics? Yeah, of course, well, I don't know if they changed the lyrics, but it's different people singing it, it's a new arrangement. And now the money goes to Haiti, which by the way, it's only for three years that the license is valid. Michael Jackson and Lionel Richie and Quincy Jones, after three years, they got all the money from the sale of this song and no longer went to Africa. That's proof. I have that. Okay, we see a kid waving on the... Oh, he's waving! He's so happy! Help me now! I don't even know who this is.

2:01:26 Little Wayne. What? Who's in this thing, John? Can you Google that? Yeah, Pink, Little Wayne, Kanye West, Nick Jonas, LL Cool J, Robin Thicke, Celine Dion, Akron, Rob Pym, Mike Pym, Chet Bridges, Vince Vaughn, Barbra Streisand, Jordan Sparks, on and on and on. Tony Bennett, Josh Gordon, Snoop Dogg. It's a laundry list. Oh, auto-tune. In the chat room, hey, that's a list of people who should be waterboarded. Oh, they mixed in Michael Jackson! Oh my God! Oh my God, they just mixed in Michael Jackson singing from the original. Oh...

2:02:29 We're saving our own lives. I hate you, I hate you, I hate you, I hate you, I hate you, I hate you. This is so wrong. We just need cash. I know a lot of people want to send blankets or water. Just send your cash. Shysters show up and take advantage of people's goodwill and generosity. You're so much in the last inside the NFL which summarized the football game from last Sunday The Super Bowl and they talked about you know what it did for the city of New Orleans and what and and whatnot And they ended up going and talking to people from the lower ninth Ward and they have the photos nothing's changed the place is a disaster It's still a mess people are there wondering what what why is everybody sending their money to Haiti? We're sold out

2:03:13 homeless here and nothing's going on what's the deal yeah and you know what I saw a little clip it must have been maybe was insider you've got to help me find this will end the show with this Gary Coleman he was I think is it insider he so Gary Coleman who of course is a little a little wacky Ever since he went wacky. He's on there on this panel being interviewed. He's like I'm sick and tired of hearing about Haiti And the panel goes what is I'm sick and tired of it this I'm not I don't want anybody to go to Haiti they need to send it to New Orleans and of course the guys making total sense and they make him look like a Total idiot like like a total crazy fuck. Oh There must be oh, I hope there's a video of it somewhere. I

2:04:05 I can't find it anywhere. I just remembered I could not believe it. He was going completely nuts and the panel was like, you know, we know we have bipolar disorder. I mean clearly there's medication for this, Gary. And he's like, but he's right. He's saying, you know, until we get some money for Katrina relief, or actually we shouldn't say that, for the levy breaking because the Army Corps of Engineers didn't secure enough relief. He said, I don't want any money going to Haiti. Why are we sending money to them and not helping the people in our own country? I think I've got the clip for you. Oh really? Send me the link. Oh, yeah. Oh, this will be... The guy was flipping out. Are you Skyping it to me? Remember. You got it now. I'm not instant here. I know, it takes a... Oh, it's with Victoria Recaño. That's hilarious.

CHAPTER 34 / 36 Discussion

Greece IMF Rescue, New Zealand Security Costs, SWIFT Data

European leaders have agreed to a rescue plan for Greece involving the IMF, which the hosts warn will lead to loss of national sovereignty. In other news, New Zealand taxpayers were reportedly charged $100,000 for a canceled Hillary Clinton visit. Additionally, the European Parliament voted down a proposal to grant the U.S. direct access to SWIFT banking data.

greece· imf· new zealand· hillary clinton· swift· european parliament· banking privacy

2:05:00 Was it was it with Victoria and I had that funny no, I don't think she was on the show Joe This is a Haiti clip from the interview on the insider. Is it is it? Yeah, but she hasn't been on that show. No, that's old. That's old. I'll find it. I'll play it on Thursday All right, you know because it was just like what I can't I can't believe that's going on. Yeah, this is from to this is old. I Okay, then just blown through a couple things because there is a lot of stuff that we just need to mention because you won't hear it anywhere. EU leaders now are agreeing on a rescue for Greece and it will be done through the IMF. So please go read confessions of an economic hitman once the IMF gets its claws into you, which of course is funded by bankers. Yeah, countries, sure, but it's really the bankers who own that.

2:05:53 You know the minute they default then then they own Greece and they'll have a nice couple islands all to themselves so indeed go buy Greece we'd asked our Our producer Chris from New Zealand if you could send some New Zealand news He said you know there wasn't really a lot although you know the internet is being shut down there kind of the same as in Australia, but Hillary Clinton was supposed to visit And she didn't come and it apparently cost the New Zealand taxpayers a hundred grand in planning costs. Why does it cost so much just to receive the Secretary of State? Doesn't make any sense. Well, apparently. Sounds like somebody's overcharging. And this was an interesting vote. The ministers of the European Parliament

2:06:45 voted down a proposal that would give United States authorities access to swift banking transactions between European member states, which of course is a good thing, but more important is this was proposed I guess by the Starfleet Command, the Council of the European Union, and there were enough parliamentarians who were against it that they voted that down. So that's pretty good. Yeah, well you don't think that we already have access to the SWIFT data? Yeah, of course we do. There's a backdoor. Everyone knows that it's made by an Israeli company. Everyone knows how that works. The president now announced in the New York Times, which of course is the propaganda arm for the administration,

CHAPTER 35 / 36 Discussion

Executive Orders, Cap and Trade, EPA Regulations

The Obama administration, via Rahm Emanuel, announced plans to use executive orders to bypass Congress on issues like cap and trade and environmental regulations. The hosts argue this represents a shift toward a "fascist state" where the legislative branch is rendered irrelevant. They discuss the history of executive order abuse under previous administrations.

executive orders· rahm emanuel· epa· cap and trade· climate change· dictatorship

2:07:35 Actually, Rahm Emanuel announced it. We are reviewing a list of presidential executive orders and directives to get the job done across the whole front of issues, such as cap and trade. Yep, they're just going to do it by executive order. That's right. Welcome to the fascist state. Yep. The Environmental Protection Agency. Hell with the Congress. That's right. The EPA will be moving forward with possible regulations on heat trapping gases blamed for climate change. while a bill to cap such emissions languishes in the Senate. So the government doesn't matter, the House of Representatives doesn't matter, Senate doesn't matter, executive order... How does this work, John? Executive order can just be thrown out there whenever and I mean, do we need these houses of representatives?

2:08:19 Apparently not. Now here's the other thing that's going to happen. You're going to end up with all those, you're going to need a permit to sell your house. Right, we already discussed that on the last show. Right. But how can it be? I mean we have a Congress and a Senate for a reason but apparently the president can just say, you know what, I woke up this morning, I feel like, yeah, like making some laws. And he can just do that? If you're in a dictatorship, you can. No, but seriously, legally, come on. No, these executive orders went into play some years ago and they started getting more and more abused. I think Clinton was a huge user of these things and besides letting off a bunch of criminals at the end of his term. It's just ridiculous and there's nothing that anybody can do about it.

2:09:09 Unless it somehow shows up in the Supreme Court's desk. But is that constitutional? How does that work? That doesn't make any sense from a constitutional viewpoint. The president has, he can do things. He can, you know, take a crapping out of the bathroom, he can take a leak. You know, it's not in the Constitution. You know, it's not in the Constitution prohibiting it. Interesting. Well, do you think the Americans will stand for it? It's just the way it is. And we're going to be screwed and this stuff's going to be kept a secret. We're going to be talking about it, and once in a while one of them will crop up, and someone will say, hey look at this. It's just terrible. I mean, Clinton abused this thing. I think Bush set it up to make it even more powerful thanks to Cheney. I don't know how much abuse he, probably plenty, but. Is this because we're under a state of emergency that this can still be done? No, no, it's got nothing to do with it. This can be done anytime. All right.

2:10:03 Executive orders, this is like earmarks. They started off with this as a good idea and then they started abusing it. Oh, look what we can do. We can just start giving ourselves money. Who's going to care? Who's going to notice? So now the president decides executive orders, he can do anything he wants. You know, let's do, I think Clinton's the one that did the, some sort of a huge, just a pile of money for people to make high fructose corn syrup. I think that's part of an executive order for free money. Here, take all this money and go build a refinery. Well, okay, that makes total sense as we've been talking about the artificial sugar crisis.

CHAPTER 36 / 36 Discussion

Synthetic Sugar Crisis, Aspartame Rebranding, Show Outro

The maker of aspartame, Ajinomoto, is reportedly rebranding the sweetener as "AmnioSweet" to market it as a natural product. The hosts predict a similar rebranding for high fructose corn syrup in the near future. The episode concludes with a final appeal for listener donations and a sign-off from the Southern California and Silicon Valley studios.

aspartame· amnio sweet· ajinomoto· high fructose corn syrup· stevia· value-for-value

2:10:43 And of course we asked our producers to do some research. Wow, okay, it's real simple. So there's a couple of all-natural quote sweeteners that are on the list. There's a Susta that is now being sold. There's a couple of new sweeteners being... and of course this will just go through executive order now. It'll just be approved. The EPA will have all the power. Allotame is pending FDA approval. Cyclamate and of course stevioside which is not stevia but it's a hybridized version of stevia. And then this is the best and it's probably if you look at Occam's razor this is probably the answer why we are in a synthetic sugar crisis i.e. it's not real. Aspartame is being rebranded

2:11:38 and now marketed as a natural sweetener under the name Amnio Sweet. How's it natural? Just because they say it is. Yep. There you go. Ajinomoto, maker of aspartame which hopes to pull the wool over the eyes of the public with its rebranded version of aspartame called AmnioSweet. All natural. Well, you can call it all natural as long as it comes from the universe around us. Yeah, everything's natural from that perspective. Yeah, Coke is natural, synthetic heroin, everything is in a methadone, everything is natural.

2:12:18 Yeah, it's not from outer space. Not that we know of, although that's something I will look into. I like that idea. Stuff from outer space is natural. It exists in the universe. So that's probably what's gonna happen. They're gonna rebrand it, and I think the whole idea of the stevia stuff, which will just taste like crap, and then boom, out comes Amnio Sweet. It's all natural and good for ya. I think that they're going to find a new moniker, this is my prediction for today, and then we can sign off, I think we're done. Yes, we are. My prediction would be they're going to rebrand high fructose corn syrup.

2:12:59 Really? So call it something else. Huh. I, um... Well, maybe we can help them come up with a good name. They need a good brand. Yeah. I'm sure we can help them. Something that'll be funny. Makes you fat a lot. Sweet and fat a lot. Yeah, that's it. Alright, well sorry for the interruptions. I have to say that these interruptions and the breaking of the stream came at very interesting moments in this program. When we were talking about heroin poppies and when we were talking about the outrage that is executive orders bypassing two houses of government, which are kind of the way it's supposed to work, ploop, the stream goes.

2:13:47 And I mean, like, I was disconnected here. Like, the plug was physically pulled. So... You tell me what's going on. Well, you know, the helicopters can land right on the roof here, so... As long as we record it, then we'll be fine. I want to if I'm going down I want it to be in flames. Well make sure that the connection is good. So perhaps I need to get a backup connection so I can mux them together so I need an ADSL and that will cost more money. So please think of us as if you're lucky in the United States and you're receiving some of those tax refund checks.

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2:15:14 And with that, thank you very much for listening. We'll be back on Thursday. In the meantime, coming to you from the SoCal Southern Command Hilltop Watchtower Crackpot Command Center overlooking Los Angeles, California, I'm Adam Curry. And from Northern Silicon Valley where the sun is now peaking out and it should be a nice day, I'm John C. Dvorak. We'll be back on Thursday with another episode right here of No Agenda. You can take that to the bank.