Cyber Timebombs

00:00 Muck Tales. Adam Curry, John C. Dvorak. It's Sunday January 19th 2025 this is your award winning Give Our Nation Media assassination episode 1731 This is no agenda Plowing through SCOTUS briefs and broadcasting live from the heart of the Texas Hill Country here in FEMA region number six In the morning everybody I'm Adam Curry And from northern Silicon Valley where we're all discovering somehow somehow That things are cheap in China. I'm John C. Dvorak Yeah, things very cheap in China every very cheap if you see notice the charm offensive

00:42 I've seen, I have a lot to see and to talk about but what charm offensive are you talking about? The Chinese. Oh things so I got yeah didn't get any clips on this but it's become a big deal because i've seen A number of my just haven't collected them Of all these usually young tiktokers who now they're not on tik tok anymore So they went through this red book thing Red note which is right out of China Yeah, well red. Yeah whatever it is this Chinese and they're going on and on about oh You know things are so cheap in China And there's so I'm thinking that brother you know this So I got a note this morning from Catherine our unreconstructed hippie woman that lives in Thailand wait a minute unreconstructed

01:31 Yeah, I think she's still a hippie. Oh okay! She's the one with the helipad isn't she? No no no...she's not the helipad. She's a bitcoin billionaire but oh yeah that's the one yeah And she has the apartment if you know agenda listeners. That's right, yeah no that's a different one yes She goes on and says oh I didn't realize my friend just came back from Shanghai and everything is so modern there and it's cheap So when i first went to China in the 90s early 90s Yeah It was cheap then too! It's cheap in China hello

02:06 And so, yeah they have a maglev train from the airport. Why is it cheap in China? Why?! Well because nobody gets paid a lot of money eh! And... and? It's controlled by the Chinese, it's cheap. There you go. And in China everything's best price Best price So uh..it's not new that things are cheap in China and they're very modern And the key is, I don't know when that maglev train went. We don't even have them in this country. No we can't even get a regular train from LA to San Francisco? Of course not! So they've got maglevs that do 300-400 miles an hour and... Go live there go live there

02:53 It's great. Go live there! And before we get into anything, the topic of the day amongst many has got to be this weather! We begin with this morning's top story. Dangerously low life-threatening temperatures sweeping across the country. More than a hundred million people from the plains to the northeast are under winter weather alerts Even the deep south won't escape the deep freeze. Several cities have already declared weather emergencies as the back-to-back winter storms bring heavy winds and snow. 25 degrees this morning in The Hill Country Yeah, it's cold there I understand it's gonna snow... I don't know! There is no snow predicted If there is that'll be fun

03:38 I've been to Texas once when it was snowing. Remember, nobody knows what the hell's going on! Remember? I got that generator for a reason to ensure that i never need it ever. 25 degrees is a bit chilly there yeah and wind... Wind we gotta wind I want to do China and TikTok, but i have a lot to do so let's get a couple other things out of the way. You can push off the tech...I got a lot of TikTok clips mostly about the fact that Trump is not going to be inaugurated tomorrow Well let's start with the inauguration itself and then we'll get into that because actually I learned quite a lot by listening to the entire Supreme Court discussion which I do as a public service

04:31 I might add. Public service. Where was it? Oh, it's everywhere! They stream the whole conversation audio only no video that's why no one cares. I know I like that oh it's great this was actually very informative in a number of ways and so before we get into that let's talk about The Big Day tomorrow! a Certainly, border security and deportations are at the top of his list. He campaigned on those issues. Those will be among the executive orders he signs and yes his borders are Tom Homan says that they're looking at preparing to do raids and deportations almost immediately after Trump takes office

05:34 They'll focus, it's important to say. He says they will focus immediately on those who are in the United States illegally and have committed crimes. So that was, what is that? ABC and that was Jonathan Karl. Yeah yeah He hates Trump Well you know this morning I saw J6 or Jenny at church and she had her American flag jacket American flag pants J6 Jenny? Yes she hosted the meet up here in Fredericksburg She has a... I love that nickname! The J6 or Jenny oh yeah She's fantastic. J6 or Jenny? J6 or Jenny! She is part of our club, man. Yeah I'll bet And she is all excited and says that she will be celebrating tomorrow when she gets her pardon. She will be celebrating Pardon Day. I sure hope he does it

06:32 So he's gonna do it. But he promised he would do it, you know? Remember the tiny desk? He's got the tiny desk right next to him. If a tiny desk shows up that'd be great! Ready to go on the tiny desk And now things have changed and we'll get into the immigration stuff a bit later on, but things have changed due to the hottest year on record. Good evening and we begin tonight here with breaking news involving President-elect Trump's inauguration The carefully orchestrated plans for the inauguration now shifting tonight to three days before he takes the oath of office Dangerously cold weather forcing his ceremony indoors This is the first time since Ronald Reagan in 1985. The forecast calling for potentially the coldest inauguration day in 40 years 23 degrees, the wind chill making it feel like 7 degrees for much of the day Flags seats and staging area of course had been already set up for Monday's ceremony crews have been working around-the-clock on this for months They are now racing to prepare the Capitol Rotunda for what will be a much smaller event but a warmer one So what does this mean for vast majority of ticketed guests

07:34 President-elect Trump saying quote, tonight this will be a very beautiful experience for all and especially for the large TV audience. It's going to be beautiful it's going to be the best ever smallest crowd ever smallest ever in history. Monday's forecast high for Washington is 23 degrees tonight a rush to reimagine the day's festivities while the massive outdoor platform could seat more than 1000 The Rotunda will only be able to hold several hundred guests Tonight, the joint congressional inaugural committee acknowledging the vast majority of ticketed guests will not be able to attend the ceremonies in person. Among those who will be allowed in people with tickets for the presidential platform and members of Congress another major change there will no longer be an inaugural parade down Pennsylvania Avenue instead after a swearing-in Trump would travel to the nearby Capital One Arena to hold a celebration event there

08:28 This will be a very beautiful experience for all promises the president-elect. Everyone will be safe, everyone will be happy. It'll be very beautiful I love that he's of course is going to be a great television production perfect You can never really produce a great television production on the steps there, you know what I mean? No it sucks. It's chaos and you gotta have that big shield up and everything the bulletproof stuff and everyone shivering and now you can control the sounds be much better for our country girl what's her name who sing in the national anthem Yeah, Courtney Cox. That one! No what's her name? What's her name now?! American Idol winner

09:13 Yeah, what's her name? She is so famous that we can't remember her name. No that's low-T John. That's just low T. Carrie Underwood there you go thank You Charles to Carrie Underwood of course we have some very important guests really it's stunning who will have President-elect Trump revealed today that he spoke with China's president Xi Jinping on the phone today discussing not just tik tok but also trade and fentanyl and other topics CBS News chief foreign affairs correspondent and moderator of Face the Nation, Margaret Brennan is here. And Margaret Donald Trump invited the communist leader to come to inauguration but is he coming? He's not but Xi Jinping is sending a special representative in his place as vice president also high-ranking Chinese Communist Party official it's highly unusual not just because protocol but also because at the moment time we are in

10:05 Yeah moment of life it's highly unusual cuz there have been done no no no no the it's highly unusual because China China has been hacking us. Just today the Biden administration revealed that they have identified the hackers who not just breached the US Treasury but burrowed into nine different US telecom companies. Burrowed! They burrowed John. We too low is another guy. They burrowed in. But burrowed into nine different US telecom companies to in

10:59 What is a cyber time bomb? It's ticking, it's ticking. It's TikTok ticking. Cyber Time Bomb! It's just waiting to go off and blow up our phones. That's the name of the show right there, it's The Cyber Time Bomb. Walls has said they planted cyber-time bombs in US infrastructure This is the Chinese! We're Chinese!! These could be used in the event of future conflict and you can't get them out. We can't get them out?! Ohhhh!!! We suck! It's in the... Wait a minute. What did she say? We can't, what do you mean you can't get them out? They're cyber time bombs we can't get them out! Oh well there it is right there why come he can't get it out Because were no good If you know its there you can get it out She's full of shit this woman We don't because we don't know what wire to cut The blue one or the yellow one Its very very scary

11:49 China. Yes, they've burrowed in there siphoning it off and they planted cyber time bombs But wait There's more we got Nazis There's also some other foreign leaders that have been invited attending that are raising eyebrows right? There are Nora In fact a European diplomat said your eyebrows raised at this minute. Oh my brothers just gone through the roof There's also some other foreign leaders that have been invited attending that are raising eyebrows, right? There are Nora. In fact a European diplomat said to me just yesterday it is pretty disconcerting that two leaders of German far-right anti immigrant group known as the AFD are attending their leader espoused Nazi propaganda slogans they've been condemned by their own government but will be attending the inauguration

12:38 Robert Brennan, thank you so much. Thank you so much. Yes. They're talking about that AFD woman who's any and she is the one in the little... She has been on TV. She is a liberal lesbian, the libertarian lesbian. Libertarian conservative is what she calls herself and she says it's bullcrap they keep calling him far right and all the rest of it just to besmirch them. And it's just a propaganda trick and CBS is all-in on it I guess Communist broadcasting system, hello. Might as well start early get in and get in on the ground So hopefully everything will go well tomorrow we want everyone to be safe Well now there that we should discuss the rumors of why they're moving it inside because of the security threat Yes Because Alex Jones had a profit on

13:26 But besides the Prophet. And the Prophet said he saw it was an attack, multiple cities, it was thousands of ISIS fighters and by the way this is the guy who predicted that Trump would be shot in the ear Yes, I know. I followed this too. So the more credible bull crap was... Incredible Bull Crap? That's actually a good show title. Incredible Bull Crap is the fact that and people like to tie this stuff together and goes like this Well you know since they took

14:06 They're blocking off the DJI drones so they can now fly in a restricted area. They're gonna have a couple of those big, you know some of these DJI drones are the size of a Cadillac. Six feet in diameter they're huge! And they're gonna drive a couple those babies into the podium and I do that bulletproof glass or not they're going to take these two drones because they can now go into these areas where there's restricted flight restrictions and they're gonna slam into the whole process just by sheer brute force and maybe a bomb, blow up the whole inauguration ceremony. So we'll just move it inside." Wow! That was the best one I thought that was the most... And that's kind of believable Yeah well again let's hope everybody stays safe Everybody stay safe, stay safe everybody

15:02 I like the Alex Jones guy. Yeah, it was so outrageous that I didn't even clip it. I'm like... I really did. Actually, but I have a few more here because in attendance will also be many of Trump's appointees and ABC went through some of those should we play those? I guess sure okay on Capitol Hill president-elect Trump's pick to oversee America's economy billionaire Scott Besin pressed by senators about the President elects plan to boost the economy with tax cuts tariffs and what the nominee said today about sanctions on Russia amid the war with Ukraine Rachel Scott on The Hill tonight

15:51 Even President-elect Donald Trump has chosen to guide the American economy and tackle inflation, taking center stage on Capitol Hill. Treasury Secretary nominee Scott Besant, a billionaire investor and hedge fund manager President Trump has a generational opportunity to unleash a new economic golden age that will create more jobs, wealth and prosperity for all Americans. Republican senators asking Besson to outline the stakes if Congress fails to achieve one of Trump's top priorities extending his signature 2017 tax cuts. If we do not renew and extend then

16:32 We will be facing an economic calamity Democrats pushing back Insisting the Trump tax cuts have only benefited the rich now these wealthy people have more money than they know what to do with and it is certainly Not doing anything to lower prices for working families. I believe that President Trump, and if confirmed myself are committed to addressing this affordability crisis and part of the affordability crisis stems from this great inflation that we've had. No, well there's trouble ahead according to old lady Yeller. US Treasury Secretary Janet Yellen warned Friday that the government will reach its debt limit on Tuesday and will need extraordinary measures to avoid risking a potentially catastrophic

17:17 default. The issue will of course now fall to Yellen's expected successor, Trump Treasury pick Scott Besant who is still going through the Senate confirmation process. Besant said in his confirmation hearing Thursday that if President-elect Trump wants to eliminate the debt ceiling altogether he will work with Congress to make that happen. Yeah we got a print some money baby! I like the idea there we get every Republican in And the first thing was, hell with the debt ceiling. Remove it! Let's just get rid of it. It's practical but at the same time it's like okay well there goes to balance budget. Oh no no wait he has strategies you know supposedly every the whole Bitcoin community is all sithering supposedly on the little tiny desk next to the J6 or Jenny pardon

18:10 will also be a crypto bill that will send Bitcoin skyrocketing. And that, of course, will save us because of the... This is basically the newest version of the trillion dollar coin? Yes! Exactly! Because of the Bitcoin strategic reserve and the stable coin on top. Trump is a meta guy you know he has I think he has a plan we'll see We'll see, we'll see. Well it can go as long as the economy collapses and we will know what didn't work Also facing questions today Trump's picks for two key environmental roles For Secretary of the Interior former North Dakota Governor Doug Burgum And for EPA Administrator former New York Congressman Lee Zeldin Democrats pressing both nominees about Trumps pledge to roll back environmental regulations Do you agree with President-elect Trump that climate change is a hoax?

19:08 believe that climate change is real as I told you, as far as President Trump goes. The context that I've heard him speak about it was with a criticism of policies that have been acted because of climate change and I think he's concerned about the economic costs of some policies where there is a debate. Republicans insist these nominees strike a balance between protecting the environment and the economy. Congressman Zeldin will correct the course of EPA? Yes, he will! And then you know these guys that this is kind of bothersome, but it's the same time. What are you gonna? Do it's like Zeldin is Totally on board Zelda has also been on Fox a lot so he's like another fox guy that they're putting in these positions and Zelda is totally onboard with the with the hoax idea But he can't say it. He can't say it I

20:04 And so we're still at the point where you can't say what you think. So this is not good Not yet, not yet everyone's and they got to be careful because there's still in the confirmation process We can't make everybody angry That's that's not how are you gonna do it when when were confirmed then we can go all crazy and then of course we have our oligarchy tonight or tomorrow who will be at the inauguration. The oligarchy! Turning to the inauguration just 24 hours after President Biden warned of an oligarchy taking shape in America, what he called a tech industrial complex. Tonight we have learned a growing list

20:43 CEOs plan to attend President-elect Donald Trump's inauguration on Monday. That list includes Apple's Tim Cook, SpaceX and Tesla's Elon Musk, Amazon's Jeff Bezos, Meta's Mark Zuckerberg Google Sundar Pichai and TikTok CEO Shou Chu All of them David will have prominent seats for Donald Trump swearing in David. Now okay how about a prop bet? A little prop bet? Prop bet? Prop bet?! Okay what's the prop bet? Will Jason Calacanis be at the inauguration Oh, there's no chance. Jay Cal! You got tickets? He is the kind of guy that would actually get in sitting behind Elon. He could find a way... Yeah but I think he really hates Trump honestly. I don't think he likes Trump. He is little wishy-washy on it Well he reluctantly...I did watch his podcast late and they brought him to that one guy forgot his name already

21:43 Oh, that guy. Cary Underwood. You could just tell. And Kelly Canis is losing his hair in some very peculiar way. Well that sucks I mean let's not make fun of it No i'm not making fun of him! That's not male pattern baldness It's like a sweep going from the front to...it's gonna be totally bald Well, it's gonna be a it's it's of strange hairline. I've never seen anything quite like it You know what that is low tea low tea? I would say the oddest bit of clippage that came my way In the past few days was the Bill Gates clip

22:31 I'm surprised Bill Gates isn't going to be able to post up there with him. Well, he doesn't need too because they had a three-hour dinner with President Trump! A lot of people have had three hour dinners with Trump recently... Yeah but Bill Gates got really excited about it listen to this... I saw this clip and didn't think that he was that excited but okay... A lot of people got excited alright forget that let's do something else because we have to discuss the Algo chasers for a moment This is the number one most emailed clip I received. And I was happy to see that, because there were a lot of different versions of it on the socials...I was happy to see that the Valuetainment crew

23:15 picked it up and did exactly what you'd expect them to do. This is Al Go Chaser Heaven everybody! And I think Vinny, you asked me the question before you played it and I didn't know where you were going with it. It says, I want you to watch this and tell me if there's something weird about the delivery of what he says in this book just watch it. That's what she said to me and I'm like, What are you saying Vinny? In about 10 seconds into it You're gonna say why did you say that? You didn't have to say that! What's your point of saying that are you insinuating something

23:55 Are you suggesting something? Just watch this here. Go for it, Rob. I just will say one last word which is...I hope this is my last time at this podium at least for a little while. I don't mean that in negative sense. The only thing that would bring me back is an unexpected event in the next few days which as you all know is totally possible given what we've seen over the course of past years but if it's in fact my last time before you I just want to say thank you for what you guys do every day and thank you for putting up with me Why would the National Security Advisor- Which is fully possible. Say farewell but go, hey listen you might hear from me again if something happens and I would think since you're the national security advisor we have all these apparatus you should say nothing is going to happen because were secure he says because it could quite possibly almost as his letting us know something is going to happen and your are going to hear from him or I told you so its not my fault We are all gonna die! You know

24:54 But let me help you boys out there to PBD, Valuetainment. The guy has been talking for weeks about one topic and one topic only and that's the Gaza peace deal! That's what he is referring to Like, the deal might fall apart. Something might happen but it's not as you... doops because that's what everyone emailed me Oh! He's signaling something is going to happen in Trump I got the same thing. I didn't get a clip. I didn't take the clip because i thought the whole thing was so dumb but yeah I'm glad you did Well this is why people come to The No Agenda Show They're like oh oh oh oh oh oh That's better

25:41 It's nothing. And even if something did happen, he wouldn't be back? All these podcasts... Yeah. ...and that's just one of many there are and I think Bannon is the worst to be honest about it. It is entertaining you have to admit hey as Q said- Well that's and its free because your pay is value taming- value taining Remember John as Q says nothing can stop what's coming Trust the plan. So it's like, okay yeah all these guys they all do this they just all

26:18 hair on fire is terrible. Algo chasers, algo chasers! Yeah I think it's a good term yeah but i don't think see the problem with the term that why i don't use it is that you're actually assuming they're overtly doing it no because they did this just who they are they they can't help themselves and but they have to do an emergency pod You see, we're going live. We got Valuetainment Live! I'm never gonna get on this show by the way they're never ever going to invite me. No they might if you keep harping on it. Emergency pod! Something's gonna happen Alex Jones is the best now emergency pod thousands of ISIS everywhere Madison Square Garden Statue of Liberty It's happening it's going down

27:13 Nothing can stop what's coming. I mean, I used to be a bit like that before there were even algos to chase but i've learned after you're never that bad But after 17 years it's like no No This this is the problem. This is why we have only four more years because it's just going to be Walter and Stetler You know you and me just go Did you say Walter and Stedler? Yeah, what are their names? What are their names? Waldorf and Statler. I think Walter and Steadle is much better. We need t-shirts that say Walter... Hello No Agenda Shop! Walter and Stadtler is our new nicknames So last night

28:04 Actually, yesterday I had a lot of time. Tina was at a conference in Dallas she's driving back today hopefully she's listening drive safe baby and so i had a lot of time that's why I went through the whole Supreme Court hearing learned a lot it was very educational and I'm going to share some of that but I also thought to myself I'm gonna get me that TikTok app. Let's see what happens, I need to see what happens when this thing goes into effect on Monday So I got me the TikTok app, which interestingly... What do you mean? Oh the TikTok app. It went into effect last night! I know i'm getting there. I'm telling my story and ramping up You're talking about your phone- the phone app? Yeah of course. Of course. Do you have it? No I never had that why would I want that? Ah interesting. Because they spy on you John! They're worse than any app ever so like okay

29:03 So I loaded on my flip phone. It actually loaded onto that, on that phone? The install took a while! I tried to load it in my StarTAC and didn't load! StarTAC... Half the audience goes what?! Yeah but the other half thinks we're hilarious Okay well that's good news so it loads and I start right away it gives me Denzel Washington preaching. I'm like, okay follow heart and then this thing just oh yeah it's great so it immediately... Wait a minute! Immediately it caught on to the fact that you're like born again? I guess so I mean that was the first thing that popped up I'm like okay

29:48 Follow heart there means there has to be something on your phone that it access and said well look at this It might have just been a lucky guess, Texas Hill country, Texas Hill County Gillespie County sure I get it. We got 35 churches here Yeah No, I think was a lucky location guests yeah And you know it's like even if you're not into the message it stands out interesting And so now I'm getting black preachers left and right, like doing this... They figure you're black. Totally! Adam Curry? Are you kidding me? Curry is a very very black name

30:29 And this is entertaining. I'm loving it, these preachers man they're wild! They're on fire these black guys. Oh those guys are good and doing the fall you know like falling backwards and guys are catching them and it's fantastic then I get nothing else except once in a while I get someone showing up with surprise a cheap product from China just slip by I checked out the shop I swear there's a shop. That's what i'm missing out on well we're gonna don't have the app we're going to get to that and uh it's right there at the top of the menu, shop and so before i went to bed last night i'm like let me just get some jesus i'm gonna go on the tik tok app boom no-go taken down

31:18 You were there when it went down? Yeah, and this was 10-15 so somewhere around that time. It went out early. Went out early and I'm like wow! So now I gotta go get my other screen You know, I gotta get the Grafino S. I got to look at YouTube and see what everyone... because I knew that there would be lots of sadness and crying and moaning. I need to share a few of them. By the way most of these have F-bombs in them just for your kids if you care. Oh yeah not safe for work Well it's not safe if you care about it doesn't matter. I've gotta keep it real! I am crashing the fuck out right now

32:01 My God, I've already opened and closed the app probably six times already just to keep getting the same stupid warning message. My god like this is so dystopian First of all, I feel pathetic that I am freaking out like this over an application being unavailable on my phone. But also this has been a massive part of our life for the last six years and normally when something happens, I would get on TikTok and start complaining and I can't even do that! I feel disconnected, I feel cut off from the world in my community. This is crazy, this is fucking crazy

32:38 God and I can't like now. I'm rooting for Trump Now, I see where you get the theme for today's show What do you mean low-t? Now there was a lot of consistency in these clips my community is And since the pandemic, this is when everyone got hooked on this thing. And my little business, my little business, this was very consistent. I'm so sad that TikTok might go away. It changed my life. My long home build is on here how I taught everyone to grow mushrooms how I showed everyone how to parasite cleanse started my business

33:34 It saved my life and I just really appreciate all of you as my community when i didn't have one, when I had nowhere to turn. When I couldn't get any help from my own doctors...I literally turned to TikTok and my community I did not want to make this video and i did not want to believe this is happening but we're so close to January 19th that if I don't make this video, I will be very sad. Thank you! And it's obviously...we're laughing because of the severe narcissism that these people need to share all their lives and their feelings and their problems but

34:18 You just can't deny that they've gotten something, some redeeming quality out of this app. And many of them would realize like I can't believe I'm crying over an app but I am because of my community and you guys and my friends but they're also all their customers. This is the last one i have... This girl young woman is one of those eyelash flappers uh her eyelashes are bigger than Pam Bondage's at the hearing and she's sad if she had to she wraps it all in fact I even saw her on a couple of m5m reports into the US government never forgiving you for this

34:58 And I'm never gonna trust you ever again because you just, like that took away millions of people's income and livelihood. Who does that? So i'm never trusting you ever again with anything. It was so dumb coming on the internet and crying about an app but the fact is this has been a sense of community for me for years now. And it got me through really hard times in my life The pandemic losing my job all of that getting divorced, like all of this crap that's happened to me in the last five years since I've been on here. Hours and hours and hours of time i put into creating stuff for this platform And I'm not the biggest creator on here Like-I don't have 3 million followers or 10 million followers but I am... I do have a platform It is the biggest platform I have and it worked really

35:49 really hard to make it. On top of that, it's been a source of income for me for going on three years now First it was just a little bit but then they got to be more I'm not like rich off of it But it has significantly helped my income every month Hi Halloumi and it's been consistent enough that like I've been able to rely on it So like on top of being just sad that I'm losing my creative outlet, my platform. I'm like worried about what I'm gonna do financially. Okay so and we can all laugh about it but these people... It's hard to laugh about it because it's so pathetic that you have a situation where this has evolved as a societal mechanism for people even make money and accept it as such So you can't really, I don't think you can laugh at it

36:37 I want to hug her. Well, she needs more than a hug. She needs some cash. Cash and a hug! But it's just like how did we get here? Oh well... I think i can explain this and the first thing, but i'll say it up front. Even though TikTok came back online today they came back online this morning because the guy from Singapore said hey You know, President Trump has made us feel comfortable. He's going to give us a 90-day extension We're turning it back on because they literally turned it off and I tried VPN The app clearly is showing them that I downloaded this from the US So even any other country I tried with the VPN It would say no good. I tried browsers. I guess they threw a cookie on there I mean I could not get to it No matter what I tried

37:36 That came back, however on the App Store On the Google Play store. I don't have an iPhone It says looking for tick-tock Downloads for this app are paused due to current US legal requirements and right above it was the featured app Instagram Just something to notice I personally feel the US... That's a good one. And I have clips of it, but i want to play some other things first but I want to say that the Supreme Court has done a severe injustice to one of the main economic outputs of our country which is the ability to create and use media to sell crap that nobody actually needs

38:21 We are good at this. We're good in mainstream television, we guilt you into thinking that you're not going to be popular or have sex or you gonna die if you don't buy these products... This is what we do! And so that's what has happened is this a new version of the great American tradition the sellers and the buyers at the same time. We are the market for China, we're perfect for it and we sell it to each other sometimes we get really good and we make a song you know that everybody loves that's one of our exports see Taylor Swift Beyonce Justin Timberlake whatever you want

39:03 But that is, that's our culture. This is what we do and they didn't even consider that and all of these... I mean there are also people who make something you know their own little thing they make at home and they sell it on Etsy this is the economy that is quite large just I mean its billions It's probably 15 to 20 billion dollars of GDP creation within the US just from TikTok alone You know, there's some people say it's about a billion dollars a month and most of it is just this stuff from China. So I think they made a big mistake because what they didn't realize was that this was all because our technology industry has been focused on advertising instead of the obvious opportunities

39:47 No one has the all-in-one solution. Google has rigged search, Amazon has horrible stores that gouge you if you're trying to sell something. Meta and Facebook they have the small business ad market. They don't know how to work together and this is the magic that TikTok grabbed in this community thing and everybody loving the app is a byproduct of what it really is and I was surprised Ney stunned that on the maybe yeah, I like that the army He was nice stunned That on the media from NPR

40:29 had the actual truth of what TikTok is, but of course they didn't come up with it themselves. They had to bring in a blogger but I think the guy has it right! Tech journalist Ryan Broderick has been tracking the great TikToker migration and what he tells us about the future of the internet for his newsletter Garbage Day. Ryan welcome down on The Media Thank you for having me. Happy to be here. You say American lawmakers think that TikTok is a social platform. I mean, I know from spending time on TikTok that TikTok's users also think that it is a social platform. By the way this Micah guy? What a douche! He's... Just get to the guest and stop pontificating Why is not that

41:29 There are social elements to it, of course. But TikTok is the sister app of ByteDance's other app which is called Douyin which can only be used inside China and Douyin like most Chinese social networks are primarily social shopping apps They make their money from live streams with influencers hawking products which you can then buy directly through the app TikTok, when it launched outside of China was always a long play to bring social shopping to the rest of the world. And you can see this with the introduction of TikTok shop which happened few years ago all of that ways that the app surfaces content can be used for finding social content but they were built to sell you products

42:16 You'll hear users say the algorithm feels different than Instagram or YouTube or whatever. And that's why, it's because it's literally built for something very different." And we in the US have never really acknowledged that or understood it or cared about that. We've kind of used it inadvertently for other things, but that's what TikTok is here for. It's a long play of trying to make Chinese style social shopping big in the West. And this is what we've been saying! We hadn't even really put together as good get to give it the name social shopping but we knew that this was driving the so-called influencers. Everybody on TikTok who has a platform, has some kind of angle to sell you some product if only just like Bam Radio guy, cheap crap is perfect! Just get us some cheap crap and we'll hang out with you and it seems that the algorithm working

43:12 the exact opposite of US algorithms, which is get him in. Get them in. Get them a little mad. Get him a little excited. Show him an ad. Okay? Yeah. Show me an edge that's much more advanced. It's more it's more along the lines because if we do have a note from, we probably should play it or you should read it from our TikTok insider by dance. Um It's more along the lines of something that was developed by Bill Ziff called special interest publishing. Ah, very good point! And so what and I talked to Bill a lot about some of his theories because he really brought it to... He developed overtly developed these theories and one of them was and I think this applies at this TikTok analysis is that in a computer magazine for example

44:06 Nothing in the magazine should be outside the realm of computing. Bingo! So if General Motors came and says we want to run a whole series of ads for to sell Chevys, he would refuse the advertising No, yep. It was worked by the way irk to sales guys to no end because they would bring it They would bring a look what we got do We got you know cigarette guy wants to advertise he's got a million dollar contract here nope no If it's got nothing to do with computers, so in other words the idea was and Modern Bride was a good example of this. Another perfect example yes Is that every single ad every single thing about being a bride never took you out of that area You were always in the mindset And that created the buying impulse To buy from these advertisers and that may be what is going on here I'm going to play the note It's G flat

45:05 ByteDance alum here chiming in because I thought you were on track with the discussion. They operate an AI recommendation system, it's more basic type of machine learning algos but they've been training it for a decade at least. That is the kicker right there that's your note. That's right They've been training the AI algo for a decade good luck catching up So it's ingested every new source in the world and now all these videos and data points when I worked on the American version of their popular news app 12 chow in China top buzz in the US we had this complex back-end system that would spit out the news that would get the most clicks. Yes, a small US based content team complemented by what went might but what

45:50 By what might have been hordes of overseas Asian workers would roll through a selection of the content to filter out low quality or illegal Content thus training the algo. It's just machine learning it's no super AI We would also get set breaking news items at the top At the time that tick-tock team would decide on trends to promote in app and each worker had a set of influencers they managed And these trends would be sent their way to produce content and create trends. As you can imagine, brands would get involved music industry would chime in and they would start to predictably manufacture some categories to follow I imagine they have such a broad data set and the big head starts are just a bit better at it for sure

46:29 My guess on US concerns at TikTok is such a great data harvester that them having the lead can be spun as the threat, as sophisticated datasets are said to be the lifeblood of future autonomous warfare. Well yes and we'll get to that but that is exactly what's happening and all the other stuff... that, you know when I go in and they guess based on my location. Oh okay Curry black guy Texas give him some Denzel beautiful Beautiful And then of course with my scroll and that's why purposely followed and liked They just give me all that I got nothing I didn't see any gay guys showing up but I got nothing but black guys preaching their butts off

47:11 So it's a byproduct, it's a by-product of what the algo was actually intent for which is this social shopping. And when you say social shopping, you're kind of referring to what is more common in China and other countries where like everything apps where you could communicate and buy your groceries etc., that's not something Americans are that exposed to currently? Honestly imagine if TikTok was owned by Amazon That's kind of what all these apps are making a play for. You have what look like social networks that have e-commerce inside of them, but then you also have e-commerce apps that have social content inside of them and to try to keep up Amazon has even tried to add more social features there is like short form video feed inside of Amazon now so thats the way that a lot of these Chinese apps

48:03 You're looking at social content in between buying things. That's the idea and in my estimation This is why tik-tok got an all this hot water Because the tech companies were their very powerful lobby all got together maybe even some mainstream media corporations Said these guys have figured it out out We've been slow we haven't we you know, no one has the whole thing all put together Nobody has it And funny enough, I remember back in 2006-2007 Mevio did a pitch to Amazon and said we should have our podcasters just selling your product like the original American invention which to this day still works QVC home shopping. We... This is so outrageous that our Silicon Valley companies miss this

48:56 I mean, it's a gigantic gaping hole. They should have seen it! Yes? The network TVs people have seen because they've moved Home Shopping Network onto their morning shows Every morning show has the whole segment at the end that basically is a home shopping network thing only its little quicker and faster paced And I don't think that Silicon Valley people... I think you're giving them a bit too much credit because what they've seen is the loss of interest in their products and the furtherance of interest in TikTok and these other sorts of things, that's what's freaking them out. Just the superficial nature of it. I don't think that they've gone deep enough to understand any of what you just said. Really?

49:55 Gosh, that's even more astounding if that is true. And of course it is true... I mean that's why they had to bring a blogger out who happens to just be in there analyzing this. You don't hear anybody from Google saying the way we see it no! They're clueless and we know from my sister's research that TikTok was overtaking search on Google because people are looking for stuff to buy That's what people are looking for. And other things, where to go, where to eat. It was eating up a lot of business. Turns out though when it comes to social shopping the USA is not even that important to bite dance and TikTok I think that's an interesting distinction i'm not sure i understand what bearing it has on the legal arguments for and against banning TikTok nor do i see its relevance to the meaningfulness to its user base

50:54 A lot of the conversation around the ban in the US, particularly from lawmakers but also in the media is this idea that TikTok will have to cave and they'll have to sell in the US because the US audience is so valuable. And the point that I was trying to make it's not because we are just one step towards a global e-commerce network now are we massive? Are we very influential? Absolutely! But Our goofy videos are so valuable to TikTok that they would sell. To me, it feels laughable I think this guy, he figured it out. He figured out a long time ago final clip from on the media again The political groupings and the communities that people belong to is all just a byproduct of their outstanding shopping algorithm the way that Mike Gallagher the lawmaker who sponsored what we call the TikTok ban By the way who got a lot of donations from Google? He puts is you know

51:54 China is engaged in a smokeless battlefield of the internet and that TikTok represents a form of soft power over Americans. I think that ByteDance via TikTok is probably doing some version of what meta with Facebook has done to the rest of the world. Like, I do think that at this point we can say there are radicalizing effects of social networks or social-like networks that have political consequences. Do I believe it is as simple as we want this political outcome so we're going to show people that content and that political outcome happens? The research doesn't back that up.

52:35 I do think the way that people experience content online and the algorithms that push it towards us, do create political effects. Because TikTok is so interested in hyper-targeting your interests no two feeds are alike right? Like your TikTok feed and my Tiktok feed never to shall meet And a lot of the impact of that has been on building small, weird subcultures or fandoms or communities. But you also have a lot of marginalized communities saying that on TikTok they feel very comfortable where if they go to Instagram per se they feel like very antagonized or attacked or whatever and that does have an effect on political speech

53:15 As we saw at the end of 2023, when Israel invades Palestine and the youth of America on TikTok are talking about it in this way that people are saying is anti-Semitic or whatever it is. If you look into it's teenagers reacting to the conflict in a way that didn't feel moderated by mainstream media or whatever they felt like they could just sort of have these conversations amongst themselves All byproducts, fantastic. But it worked! The whole campaign set up by Silicon Valley and I have got to believe that Disney ABC Comcast...I'm sure all of them were in it We've gotta get rid of these guys for the reasons you mentioned we gotta get them out It's going too well They're eating our lunch And it works perfectly when you go to the mainstream and listen to Jimmy Kimmel

54:05 Roll out the dangers, the dangers of TikTok. By the way he had some funny lines in here. For teenagers just like crop tops are great shirts for old fat guys TikTok is for everyone. The problem with tik-tok is it's totally controlled by the Chinese government I heard a good explanation of why there's a problem because that wasn't sure why exactly It was a problem Why did the Chinese the reason why the Chinese having our kids personal information? Is a threat is because kids aren't kids forever they grow up and get jobs and when they do

54:43 The Chinese government will have all the passwords they use, everything they posted. Their financial information in a lot of cases messages you name it they will have it which isn't so much of a problem if they grow up to work at like Petco but some teenagers grow up and become nuclear physicists or join the military or the State Department every single person in the army and state department used to be teenager I don't know if you knew that And in the future, the Chinese government will have tons of their data to blackmail them with. That's why it is a national security threat when your nephew films himself eating corn on the cob off a Makita drill bit. So that is the message? The message is they'll have stuff to blackmail you with later!

55:28 We played that clip, not that clip but we played a clip that claimed this sort of bull crap I think two or three shows ago when this all began. Which and I had the clip it was pulled from one of the PBS or NPR shows And it was nonsense that when we played it, it was so stupid I don't even think we talked about it much. Now it's coming to the fore this is bullcrap! Well wait until you hear some of the arguments made at the Supreme Court and... So I did a deep dive on the SCOTUS TikTok hearing and unlike Notebook LM You'll actually learn something on this deep dive

56:04 I've got to say up front, there were multiple lawyers. One on behalf of TikTok USA and two actually on behalf of creators or as i like to call them the creations of TikTok and I think they did their clients a huge disservice by making this a first amendment case Because the reason why the Supreme Court voted 9 to 0 was for national security. And but a lot of the national security stuff comes up as they are talking about it being First Amendment and the First Amendment angle that their lawyer took was, well, the algorithm is our free speech what we

56:55 decide to feature or to demote, or promote. That is the free speech of the corporation TikTok America now, of course, the problem is that the algorithm is owned by ByteDance and so they're taking the information running through the algo and then they present it here in the US what I thought was super interesting because I would have skipped this normally The definition of this algorithm that came up, and I don't know if this can be used in cases later in law about particularly as it pertains to social

57:36 media platforms and section 203. Here's Amy Coney Barrett with the TikTok lawyer. Mr Francisco, can I ask you a question about the relevant speech here? So it strikes me that this is a little different than your Bezos example because there it's clearly content discrimination because we're talking about the ability to post particular articles versus other articles am I right that the algorithm is the speech here Yes, your honor. I would say the algorithm is a lot of things The algorithm has built within it It's basically how we predict what our customers want to see The editorial discretion Yeah, the editorial discretion It also has built within it the moderation elements All this kind of comes together when the source code Is translated into executable code in the United States

58:26 in the United States that executable code is then subject to vetting, review moderation through content moderation algorithms. And so it ultimately lands on the TikTok platform. But what we're talking about as a net choice is the editorial discretion that underlies the algorithm So when you say editorial discretion That's a hot button on section 203 This is why I kept this clip in my lineup That means that you are a publication If you're editorializing, then section 203 no longer applies. So I wonder and constitutional lawyer Rob will be able to tell us...I wonder if just because it didn't show up in the report in the 27 pages which also went through

59:14 But if can you use that later say well, you know They decided when they were talking that it was editorial something to just keep in the back of our mind Well I have two thoughts on this. Okay? First of all, uh, I thought that the reason they went with a free speech idea was they were making the assumption That because it was a conservative court there would be fall over free speeches There's a cheap trick didn't work good point The second thing is when she brought up the algorithm It was the algorithm, it was the algorithm that was algorithms free speech. He should have said no free speech is free speech but people say it's free speech got nothing to do with the algorithm. The algorithm should have been thrown out of the argument by this guy instead he buys into and he goes on and on about him trying to describe it

1:00:03 This was a huge blunder. That's what I said, I think he did his client a huge disservice Well you know the problem is this is non-technical people Oh wait until the clips coming up you'll see how unsophisticated our Supreme Court is They could have gotten anybody to coach them at least a little bit on this it was embarrassing Well, they did the lawyers that come out in front of the Supreme Court are supposed to be the knowledgeable ones that That can do the coaching on-the-fly. Yeah instead of falling into line like this guy now this it was no good and

1:00:42 And, but the reason why he took the free speech angle is because there's a carve-out. There's an exception in this law which he kept trying to bring up and it would get cut off by other justices I think because they either they...I don't think that they were in on the gag here but he kept bringing up Timu. He says You know team who they collect data, but they get a carve-out and it's in this clip What we are seeking to do is use an algorithm that displays the combination of content That we prefer our users to see on the planet doesn't care about that I mean the government the government is fine with you doing that. You can invent it yourself It doesn't even care what content that displays cat videos or whatever yeah a lot of cats

1:00:03 This was a huge blunder. That's what I said, I think he did his client a huge disservice Well you know the problem is this is non-technical people Oh wait until the clips coming up you'll see how unsophisticated our Supreme Court is They could have gotten anybody to coach them at least a little bit on this it was embarrassing Well, they did the lawyers that come out in front of the Supreme Court are supposed to be the knowledgeable ones that That can do the coaching on-the-fly. Yeah instead of falling into line like this guy now this it was no good and

1:00:42 And, but the reason why he took the free speech angle is because there's a carve-out. There's an exception in this law which he kept trying to bring up and it would get cut off by other justices I think because they either they...I don't think that they were in on the gag here but he kept bringing up Timu. He says You know team who they collect data, but they get a carve-out and it's in this clip What we are seeking to do is use an algorithm that displays the combination of content That we prefer our users to see on the planet doesn't care about that I mean the government the government is fine with you doing that. You can invent it yourself It doesn't even care what content that displays cat videos or whatever yeah a lot of cats

1:01:30 video examples. Lady, it's dogs! But whether the law is content-based, and here the trigger for this law. The one thing that gets it going is if you operate a social media platform that has user generated content unless that content takes the form of product travel or business review Then within that universe of content, it says there's one speaker we're particularly concerned about and we're going to hammer home on that one speaker. And then just to make the rubble bounce they come in and tell us that one of the reasons they are targeting that speaker is because their worried about future content on that platform. That in the future somehow be critical of United States

1:02:27 or undermine democracy to pull examples from the government's brief. So I think there is no way to get around the fact that this is a content-based speech restriction and you do have to go directly to what their interests are." I think that strengthens your argument that they went with this because they thought conservative court. I think you're absolutely right, but he talked about the carve out there and now he's going to try and use that. What would your argument be? It would be an equal protection argument? Nope nope. This is what I want Even if you could get just to the data security question, again you have to ask the question would this law have been passed by Congress for data security reasons? Because as being asked to uphold a law based on that single governmental interest and when you look through the provisions like the content recommendation algorithm provision. Like the covered company provisions the answer is no and if you're still in doubt on that just go back to the under inclusiveness problem what a congress really worried about these very dramatic risks

1:03:24 leave out an e-commerce site like Temu that has 70 million Americans using it and every bit the connection. Does Congress have to go all or nothing on that? It doesn't have to go all or nothing. They isolate a particular problem, they might be Getting to what you're talking about next who knows but you're really sitting up there and saying Congress would not Pass the divestiture law if data security were the only interest So I'm saying it would not have passed this divestiture law if if data security with the only interests It's very curious why you just single out tick-tock alone and not other companies with tens of millions of people having their own data in

1:04:06 taken, you know in the process of engaging with those websites and equally if not more available to Chinese control. So he has a very good point that there was a carve-out for companies like Timu that have Chinese controlled Chinese algorithms but they recommend product travel or service and therefore this law does not apply to them. Now we're going to get into tracking in some embarrassing moments, but I just want to say up front anybody who has ever developed and submitted an app to any of the app stores i have knows how much scrutiny there is particularly on user data. In fact Facebook

1:04:50 had to turn off certain tracking in their app in 2022 on Apple's platform, iOS which they said cost them about $10 billion annually in revenue. I mean it's equal unless Apple and Google are in on it with TikTok, I don't know that and they let them do other things everybody has the same data everybody can access if as long as you get your user to hit okay The minute the EULA comes up, they can look at other apps. They can look at your health data All of this stuff is available as long as the user says okay and of course we all know everyone says okay So now I'm going to talk about that Sotomayor Justice Sotomayor is very unsophisticated In fact she doesn't even know the difference between a website and an app

1:05:42 How many of these sites have all of the data collection mechanisms that TikTok has? From what I understand from the briefs, not only is it getting your information. It's asking and most people give it permission to access your contact list whether that contact list has permitted them to or not. So they can now have data about all of your contacts and anything you say about them, how many other sites Gather information by this is so embarrassing Sites and the lawyers even gonna use the term website like just all right. Yeah, I'll stick with a website whatever you want lady keystrokes Back it up the keystrokes This is also important tax and anything to say about them how many other sites are

1:06:37 gather information by keystrokes to be able to do voice and finger ID information if they choose. And there's a whole lot of data stuff that was discussed in the brief, that I don't think any other website gathers so wouldn't this be a unique site? If i viewed the evidence that way how would this be under-inclusive Justice Sotomayor, I don't think a lot of the suppositions you're making actually bear out. And as Justice Gorsuch was pointing out one of the obviously real challenges in this case is it comes to you without an ordinary trial record compiled and all the rest so we have only

1:07:21 limited amounts of information, but absolutely these other websites are taking much the same kind of information if not more and as to the As to the contact list thing I think you also that points out one other aspect of this That is a voluntary decision by an American user to share that information. You know in the Riley's not informed And even if it's informed, but you don't think it's informed that could be solved by a warrant or exposure? No. It can't be because for the United States the threat of using that information is what is at issue. It's not whether the user thinks it's okay. It's whether the US believes that it could put sites at issue now unfortunately The documentation of what TikTok slash bite dance collects was sealed

1:08:09 Meaning that it could not be made public, its trade secrets. The justices were pointed towards this and it sounded to me like they hadn't read it We certainly can. I was hoping there would be something in the documentation, there is a little bit which i have marked up The platform collects extensive personal information from and about its users Data collection practices extend to age phone number precise location in an address device use phone contact social network connections content of private messages sent through the application and videos watched TikTok user data, user content behavioral including keystroke patterns and rhythms. And this is all the stuff that every single app can track with Firebase Amplitude UX cam mix panel they even have session replays so you can see exactly what a user did This is nothing new

1:09:05 And then the guy throws in a kicker, the lawyer. I like this which made me go yeah how about that? Something else that i think you might notice is even if all this act goes into effect and the law goes through TikTok gets to keep all of the data so wouldn't those data security laws require them to expunge that data or get rid of it or something? It's very weird law if your just looking at through a data security lens maybe congress could do better Mr Fisher... Yes! Good point! Good point. You've driven me over the boredom cliff. Oh, I'm sorry but you're gonna have to listen to it because it gets really good now Okay Please stay with me because when Justice Alito compares an algorithm to an old shirt

1:09:56 I mean, that's got to be worth something. You should have led with that. But OK... This may not make any difference for constitutional purposes but just out of curiosity i'd like you to explain what the practical consequences would likely be for your clients if TikTok went dark as Mr Francisco put it there are I assume is a great demand for what TikTok provides And if TikTok was no longer there to provide what your clients really want, is there a reason to doubt that some other social media company would not jump in and take advantage of this very lucrative market? There are two reasons Justice Alito.

1:10:44 One is, many of the declarations from my clients actually explain they've tried on other platforms to generate the kind of audience and engagement they've been able to on TikTok. And they fall into- Yeah I know they haven't so far and you know i'm just wondering whether this is like somebody's attachment to an old article of clothing? I mean I really love this old shirt because I've been wearing this old shirt but...I could go out and buy Something exactly like that, but no I like the old shirt is that what we have here Is there some you some reason to think that only? Blakedance has this can detect and the blakedances device of this magical algorithm that all of the geniuses at Meta and all these social media companies They couldn't matter they put their minds to it. They when he said made a I'm like okay He doesn't know he really has no clue No clue

1:11:38 The Solicitor General on behalf of the United States who was there to defend decision by Congress, she was the worst. I think she may be a Zoomer but she's definitely millennial. Can you just... If you were to defend this, what would the example be that you give that China could do with all of our important personal information? What could China possibly do that would be so horrible for us. The only example they've come up with

1:12:16 and you played it already, and I played it before is that you can blackmail somebody in the future. But this again... The example I used before previously was that it's like having pictures of your kid crying or doing some little thing when they were three or four years old and then showing at their high school graduation as a joke to humiliate them which is what parents love to do And that's as far as it gets, which is this is their argument. It said hey you know we got some information We're gonna do you're going to join the CIA? We've got some information showing you walked around naked when you were three They'd gotten nothing its bogus argument didn't even come up

1:13:00 Didn't even come up. It's much stupider general pre-lodger Mr.. Chief Justice Court the Chinese government's control of tick tock poses a grave threat to national security grave threat No one disputes that the PRC seeks to undermine us interests by amassing vast Quantities of sensitive data about Americans and by engaging in covert influence operations this was the term covert into influence What did she say? Covert influence operations. Covert content manipulation! And no one disputes that the PRC pursues those goals by compelling companies like Bankdance to secretly turn over data and carry out PRC directives

1:13:44 Those realities mean that the Chinese government could weaponize TikTok at any time to harm the United States. Okay, here comes the weaponization stand back everybody! TikTok collects unprecedented amounts of personal data and as Justice Sotomayor noted it's not just about the 170 million American users but also about their non-user contacts who might not even be engaging with the platform. That data would be incredibly valuable to the PRC. For years, the Chinese government has sought to build detailed profiles about Americans where we live and work who our friends and co-workers are what our interests are and what our vices are

1:14:23 TikTok's immense data set would give the PRC a powerful tool for harassment, recruitment and espionage. On top of that, the Chinese government control over TikTok gives it a potent weapon for covert influence operations and my friends are wrong to suggest that Congress was seeking to suppress specific types of content or specific types of viewpoints instead the national security harm arises from the very fact of a foreign adversaries capacity to secretly manipulate the platform to advance its geopolitical goals in whatever form that kind of covert operation might take. The act addresses the threat of foreign adversary control with laser-like focus it requires only divestiture of TikTok to prevent Chinese government control and that divestiture remedy follows a long tradition of barring foreign control... Alright, I'm gonna keep it short for you so what she says projecting by the way what do you mean?

1:15:20 What she's describing is what we do. Well, exactly! I mean, you don't want China doing this. Do you want your own American companies being able to do this? Well of course! That's exactly what the Twitter files were about Okay we're gonna bring Thomas and Kagan into it Is there any difference between content manipulation by a non-US company as opposed to US company Your question exactly I didn't hear Mr Fisher make a distinction between the two Yes, and I think the important thing to recognize is that the act here is targeting covert content manipulation by a foreign adversary nation. Now I understand my friends to say... What difference does that make? The difference is there's no protected first amendment right for a foreign adversary to exploit its control over a speech platform No, I mean the difference between covert and non-covert

1:16:12 So I think that Congress's concern with the covert operation was that a foreign adversary could effectively weaponize this platform behind the scenes in order to achieve any number of geopolitical goals. Here are some of the examples that come to mind. Okay, get ready! One of the pages out of The Playbook here is for a foreign adversary to simply try and get Americans arguing with one another to create chaos and distraction in order to weaken the United States as a general matter and distract from any activities that the foreign adversary might want to conduct on the world stage. What do you mean by covert though? I mean, isn't this amazing! That's her example?! We can get Americans to argue with each other!? Really?? That's what it has come down too???

1:16:55 Is covert just mean it's hard to figure out how the algorithm works? Because we could say that about every algorithm. No, the covert nature of it comes from the fact that it is not apparent that the PRC is behind the scenes pulling the strings here and deciding exactly what content will be made to appear on this site It's just because we don't know that China is behind it, that what covert means? Well I think... It doesn't have anything to do with the difficulty of figuring out what the algorithm is doing. It's just because people don't know that China is pulling the strings, that's what covert means? What it means is that Americans are on this platform thinking they're speaking to one another and this recommendation engine which apparently so valuable is organically directing their speech to each other

1:17:39 And what is covert is that the PRC, a foreign adversary nation, is instead exploiting a vulnerability in the system. Well if that's all it means then people don't know that China's behind it? Like everybody now knows that China is behind this. Anyway then all those justices doubled down they were making jokes about the fact that everybody knows its Chinese The whole thing was completely idiotic and stupid and highly under-informed Highly under informed So we need to get TikTok back and we need to get people selling crap again. This is what we do. Sorry I bored you." Is that it? Well, I'll stop here yeah

1:18:27 You were going to have more? I'd had only one more, but it's enough. It was just more joking about covert China and her saying that Americans will start arguing and then I think it was Kagan Gorsuch says well if that's what they wanted they've already won we did it with our own companies So the whole thing was just idiotic and clearly Silicon Valley mainstream money to get rid of TikTok. And I think Trump will use this to a great advantage He'll lord this over Silicon Valley, over his tech bros he'll lord it over everybody Let me see what i can do with this! You can keep it going for at least three months Yeah yeah maybe I should let those guys come back Maybe we should do this

1:19:16 I think it's great political currency for Trump, with China as well. Hey why don't you open source that algo let our guys in on it and we'll lower the tariffs to 10%. Okay And now back to your regularly scheduled programming Do a count on the chat room Let's...I have the banning TikTok news this would be my contribution 2,655

1:19:58 2,600? And 55. That's a hundred over. Yeah! So they were riveted by this presentation that's good of course they were This would be my... Of course they were. Of course they were. Bickering at the Supreme Court Department okay You know what it's I think we learned a lot more than you got anywhere else We didn't learn anything anywhere else. In fact, this is the extent of it This is the banning TikTok news clip This would be what you'd hear anywhere else The popular social media app TikTok says that will go dark for its 170 million US users tomorrow But it may only be for a day

1:20:39 President-elect Trump said he will most likely give the app a 90 day reprieve from a law banning it once he takes office on Monday. That came in a phone interview with NBC News, despite that TikTok says it wants further assurances from the Biden administration since it will be in charge tomorrow when the ban is to take effect. Well that band lasted less than 12 hours Or that self-imposed ban lasted less than 12 hours. It was a publicity stunt! Of course it was! So since you're playing this sort of clips, I have something to compete with it. I have three clips only though... Oh alright! ...it doesn't take that long. Alright! A couple minutes. Alright But NPR downloaded the comms of the fire department. Oh?

1:21:23 during the event and it turns out, if you listen to it carefully the timeline that we were presented with isn't quite accurate. NPR's investigations team downloaded more than 2,000 hours of communications between first responders and that audio shows how crews trying to control the fires ran into a huge problem with the water supply here is more on that from NPR's Chiara Eisner Just eight hours after the first responders saw that brush fire, a firefighter sent out an urgent message on the radio. If you can get ahold of any sort of public works or DWP our folks are starting to report that they're running out of water and hydrant systems

1:22:03 The dispatcher jumped in to say people were trying to fix the problem. Six minutes later, a firefighter suggested sending a truck that transports water called a tender to the scene. With us losing our water up here is there any way we can get a bunch of water tenders through the city and we can keg them up at least into the paper area up on the Palisades? And we can set up a portable hydrant system, so our folks are going to have shorter turnaround time. But reaching the fire was not easy as fire trucks and tenders tried to rush there they had to fight through crazy traffic. 71 you've got gridlock on Pelican Drive people are driving down both sides and the fire itself kept moving With the wind that were experiencing up here and I'm looking across Canyon that's where it looks like its headed

1:22:56 Nearby, a super scooper was providing support from the air. That's a plane that scoops up water from lakes or other reservoirs to dump on fires. LA County, Quebec 2, flight of two super scoopers just leaving the fire scene at this time. Horseshoe and Van Nuys in about three minutes NPR journalists transcribed and analyzed communications from 13 audio feeds streaming LA City and County first responder channels. The feeds were downloaded from Broadcastify.com, a live audio streaming platform. Oh boy! Someone's gonna get in trouble for this one

1:23:33 We're gonna have to make- So you listen to these clips, I've got two more. And the timeline that we were...I was led to believe and I'm not gonna skip these clips but I'm gonna jump to an analysis that was done by NPR itself earlier in one of their other shows. Play this so we can get a little background. This clip is called NPR coverage about water or cover up This is a cover-up story if you listen to this and then we get back to the downloaded clips. NPR spoke to half a dozen water and fire experts who say no municipal water systems are designed for fires this big they say the issue was not a lack of water but hurricane force winds that meant aircraft couldn't fly and drop water on the blazes

1:24:22 A popular false narrative claims billionaires Stewart and Linda Resnick hoarded water on their California farms that could have been used to fight fires. Stephanie Pincel, professor at UCLA says while the Resnik's use a lot of water... Their groundwater is distinct and not germane to the problem. We did not run out of water. Julia Simon, NPR News. We did not run out of water... This is bullcrap and if you listen that first clip they were using the there were dumping waters from airplanes initially it was later after they'd long since ran out of water that they grounded the airplanes Wow man yep does NPR make this conclusion?

1:25:07 No, of course not because this stupid cover-up story that you just played was their argument that no everything is fine. Heaven forbid that we... They're self contradictory here they play these downloaded clips and then the next thing you know they're trying to cover it up but listen to this part two of these comms By Tuesday evening the communications show conditions were getting increasingly dangerous Operations Helco on command, we are going to be grounding all aircraft. Based on the wind conditions right now we're ineffective and uh... We're not gonna compromise safety so all rotorcraft are gonna go back to Van Nuys You have no aircrafts on the incident right now

1:25:52 And by 2am the next morning, first responders were organizing rescues. Yeah we've done an ALS transport of a chest pain possible CO poisoning of a firefighter to where we're getting a report of a patient needs to be evac'd on a ventilator And they've lost power. But a few minutes later, the radio communications again turned to the water problem. We have lost most of the hydrant pressure in Zulu By the time that firefighter issued that update from a section of the Palisades fire other parts of LA had already started burning. The Eaton Fire near Altadena had started Tuesday evening at the base of the Angeles National Forest

1:26:36 That's about an hour's drive northeast of Palisades. Just after midnight, in the early morning on Wednesday, the water appeared to be running out there too. And by 6 a.m., firefighters near the Altadena neighborhood were mentioning problems with hydrants. We're having some water supply issues, some of the hydrants are going dry. The communications indicate this came as a surprise to the first responders. Were you having any issues like that before? No negative I haven't heard anyone have an issue with the hydrant

1:27:16 Let me check and see if they can boost the pumps or could be the tanks are getting low. And just past midday on Wednesday, a firefighter made a dire announcement. Hey I see operations just further up at Lake in Altadena and all the hydrants up here dead we're working on trying to find water for them. Yeah lies It's unbelievable. And so this is the last clip. California Governor Gavin Newsom ordered an investigation last week into how the fire hydrants lost pressure and how they stopped providing water. City officials say the system was never designed for large wildfires like Palisades or Eaton, it was designed for house fires or urban fires but in a letter the governor wrote to the Los Angeles Department of Water & Power one of the utilities in charge Newsom demanded answers

1:28:13 On the radio channel, a first responder also thought about reaching out to the water company. Just checking to see if we have our representative from the Water Department so he can maybe work on water supply issues But in the meantime there was only one thing they could do Pick your best targets of opportunity and do the best you can We're having real problems with water No water at all So do your best Reva Duncan is a former fire chief with the U.S Forest Service She says that sort of response is often the only option When they run out of water and, and they're in that kind of situation then they have to kinda do triage Do we have to move you know even farther over where we can be effective and efficient with our water And at least try to stop some kinda progress on the fire Firefighters are trained to keep their cool when communicating on the scene and over the radio

1:29:04 But Duncan says it's still devastating to run out of resources. It's hard for us to watch people's homes burn down and then lose everything, especially when it's the situation where there are so little that firefighters can do at that time. More than 40,000 acres have burned in L.A. So far across the different fire regions That's an area three times the size of Manhattan Yeah, they like doing that Manhattan comparison three times the size of Manhattan. That's a classic I'm sure you receive this if not it's in the show notes the design for disaster documentary 1962

1:29:42 No, I did not receive this. Oh it's the story of the Bel Air and Brentwood fire? Yeah, yeah it was a big deal. It's really good and that was the catalyst for you know brush clearing etc which I think just wasn't happening anymore. It is a good doc, it's about half an hour This is the same as this typical, like the financial thing I describe it all the time. You put all these rules in place to keep something from happening. The rules keep it from happening and then after a few years people say this isn't happening what do we need all these rule for? Exactly! It's just a natural phenomenon so they stopped doing all the work that should have been doing They left at 117 million

1:30:32 gallon reservoir dead empty. Yeah, which was the Palisades Reservoir dead empty and then they ran out of water right away Right away whoops It's just like it's unbelievable. What a fiasco, what a botch! Of course we don't really have to worry because we're Americans and we do what Americans do in these situations here is my 18 second NPR clip. Music stars will hold a benefit concert for LA fire victims the event is called Fire Aid. It will be staged on January 30th at two venues

1:31:08 Some of the performers will include Lady Gaga, Jelly Roll, Billie Eilish and the Red Hot Chili Peppers. I'm Corva Coleman, NPR News. Nothing like some red hot chili peppers at your fire aid huh? Yeah perfect. Last night Saturday Night Live had Dave Chappelle I haven't seen it all, but what i saw was really good. Did a very funny sketch about a family in Los Angeles and he also said this 50 seconds into his monologue. And then we watch the news or talk to my friends they all have these conspiracy theories of what started these fires now they say its arsonists, I've heard this theory

1:31:52 And I'm sure there were some arsonists, but there were a lot of elements that came together to make this fire the catastrophe that was. The winds we're 100 miles an hour LA was dry as a bone in the levees and it was just too many factors if you are rational thinking person You have to at least consider the possibility that God hates these people. That's not true because West Hollywood was unscathed. Because how can you burn what is already flaming? There ya go! I hope they bring him on to FireAid, have them crack some jokes They won't No of course they won't He probably didn't even clear it with Lorne all the stuff he did People are already selling TMZ had one of those

1:32:53 Celebrity Realtors on, Josh Altman. Have you ever seen Josh Altman? No You know these shows though right Yeah, they do all the high-end stuff and so they cornered him. This is hard to say I strongly believe that 50% of the people who lived in the Palisades are not going to be moving back to the Palisades Why? And honestly that number wasn't as big last week in my mind but after the phone calls that have been getting People who are moving to Brentwood Santa Monica Bel Air Beverly Hills those are gonna be the markets that are gonna go up

1:33:29 because people want to be as close to normalcy as possible. And those are, those towns right around the Palisades? Those are going up that market and that's where they're gonna move... It's gonna be too long! You gotta realize, Palisades is the all-American town, right? The families running around it like what you picture in towns in movies we used to watch These kids that are five years old right now, that live in the Palisades and go to school. There's a chance that if things don't move fast it could be four to five years before they're back there these kids are now 10 they're going to different schools, different lives you know so its It's tough because picture you living on a street. You're the first house finish and every other house on the street is in construction Think about that you don't want to do that you won't wake up every single morning of my head be reminded of that I'm negotiating almost a dozen deals right now on land in the Palisades much faster than I ever thought it would People are already trying to sell their dirt

1:34:29 knowing that they're not going to go back there, to home builders that will then build their house and either keep it or sell it. Yeah? They're selling their dirt! Yeah, the problem with that report was very un-California like. What was the price of the dirt? I don't know! I'm sure it wasn't cheap or sure it's very expensive... I'm sure it wasn't cheap either but what was it? We have no idea. Was a lot selling for half a mill on mill? A million dollar lots? No because this is shitty report. Oh jeez sorry It's not a report. They know the guy MZ's fault they're all from California They know better and California is different than the rest of the country we talk about our real estate prices Constantly, you know what'd you pay? I paid this I baby, you know in the other ways none of your business not in, California Oh Really y'all talk about that all the time Yeah Huh? Yeah, would you pay for that lot

1:35:27 Oh, I got it for a song. I got it for 80. The market was like 100. Good deal! You made a good deal." Maybe he was trying to protect his clients? No, maybe the lots are going cheap... Well that was kind of the insinuation. People are selling their dirt as getting rid of it You know, I don't think much insurance will cover what it will actually cost to rebuild. No they're gonna have to this is all from scratch Yeah so time to build a new LA super city! LA 2.0 10-minute palisades 15 we'll give them 15 of course in electrified California the EVs were a real problem with firefighting Here's CNN

1:36:15 Scattered amongst the ruins of California's devastating wildfires sit countless Teslas and other electric vehicles, most left behind by owners forced to flee from the fast-moving flames. The Charred EVs are a grim reminder of a new frontier facing firefighters and residents when battling wildfires and the daunting environmental challenges in cleaning up some of the remains. It's a little different world now today with batteries, not just car batteries but battery packs people with solar those Tesla wall batteries and the like so that has that side to this is made a little bit more complicated Just last month the EPA approved the state's ambitious plan Hold on a second! Stop it

1:36:55 So that was Newsome. Yeah. Gravelly voice, Newsome. Yep. Who's promoting that you have to go 100% EV by 2030? You can't sell a gas car anymore and he's making that comment?! Yeah, what a douche. The hazmat side of this is made a little bit more complicated Just last month the EPA approved the state's ambitious plan to end the sale of new gas operated vehicles by 2035 35 gives extra five years California has seen a surge in electric vehicles over the last decade There were more than 3,000 EVs per hundred thousand residents in California and 2023 The highest per capita of any state in the US according to the Department of Energy

1:37:36 Let's talk to the firefighters about it. 20, 30 years ago when these things were not present in these fires you didn't have to think about that. San Diego Fire Battalion Chief Robert Rizendi is a member of the EPA's lithium-ion battery task force He says the surge in batteries and homes and EVs creates a new layer of complexity Smothering the fire doesn't really work in these situations. Putting a bunch of water on them doesn't really work in these situations. Rosendi says, a normal gas powered car fire can be managed in 5 to 15 minutes but putting out an EV fire could take 2 to 12 hours so the battery just kind of has to run its course and it's chemistry needs to be consumed

1:38:28 before it'll stop being on fire. If there is a vehicle that's burned out right now in one of these wildfire zones in LA, that was an EV Is it possible that if the battery is intact you could still reignite? Yes Because of re-ignitions he says it could take us swimming pools worth water to fully extinguish any EV battery fire How about that battery power storage plant in California Was that near San Jose Well, I said the last point is off on the coast. It's actually a power plant and they use... They have a big bunch of batteries there to save wind power because it's in the grid. To store the electricity? Yeah and it blew up. Is this still on fire? I would think so but- They want to put one of those in Kerrville or actually close by. That's a bad idea. Very bad idea. Except that was thinking about while listening at that last clip

1:39:26 Why can't somebody, because it takes what? 12 hours to put the fire out. A swimming pool won't do it and just keeps burning until the batteries are gone. There's got to be some chemical way of stopping these fires! The only thing I've seen is they have like this big fireproof oxygen tight tarp they throw over the car and then it kind of burns out underneath that. Yeah, but still burning! They got to find some... there's got to be some solution for this issue. Here's a solution combustion engines. I know your solution. Combustion engines have the explosions under the hood not in your garage It's so... And yeah you're right about Newsom

1:40:11 It's horrible. Oh yeah, no good. He just likes to hear himself talk I love the climate change angle it's finally starting to kick in and we have i think a definite new Reverend Al clip when it comes to the LA fires and climate change. He's in rare form today. Firefighters have been making progress in containing the raging Palisades and Eaton fires, the devastation now ranks among the worst in California history Meanwhile, the World Meteorological Foundation said Friday that 2024 was the hottest year on record. 1.5 degrees Celsius above pre-industrial levels bringing the planet dangerously close to breaking the pledge made by global

1:41:11 Glossal leaders under the 2015 Paris Climate Agreement. Glossal? Glossal! Glossally... What? Glossal leaders. Glostal?! There's more! Los Angeles County has declared a public health emergency due to the air quality. Officials warn the biggest threats are smoke and particular matters which they say may cause long-term health effects. Particular matters! Wow He's got a new producer particular Yeah Rev. Al is the best and how much does he make this is where you usually remind us of that I think at 1.2 mil at least CBS This morning jumped right in with Jane Pauley, although I cut Jane Pauley out of out of these two clips

1:42:04 They found someone to make all the connections. The monster that roared through LA County last week is still alive, but firefighters seem to have it cornered. People have started returning to their homes or what's left of them and insurance if they had it is a whole other battle And the focus now is turning from what happened to why it happened and what in the world is next. This disaster is as bad as just about anybody here can remember, but is it really just the new normal?

1:42:41 Nature is telling us I can't take this anymore. No, I cannot support you. Listen carefully there's nature telling it telling us he can't take it anymore But is it really just the new normal? Nature is telling us I can't take this anymore. I cannot support you if you keep treating me this way John Valiant is the author of fire weather on the front lines of a burning world And he says climate change is making disasters like the wind-driven la fires fiercer This is not an anomaly This is the future

1:43:25 We can expect fires of this intensity and worse in the future. The types of fires we've seen over the past 10 years are qualitatively different from the previous 100 years. Wait, wait, wait...the types of fires are different? Yeah! How has fire changed? In a number of ways. The most potent and frightening way, the most obvious to the layperson you know people like us is it moves faster and with greater intensity when you talk to any firefighter with any sense of history then they are seeing different behavior that is in many cases unfightable I guess he hasn't seen the documentary about the 1961 Bel Air Brentwood fire went pretty fast then pal but this is what they do

1:44:12 Bring it right around to climate change because you know Trump's coming in we got a we gotta press this issue We gotta make people think about this stuff Because there no where safe and valiant says the cause is something science has been telling us for decades The co2 that our combustion engines keep pumping into the atmosphere We don't feel it, we don't smell it. We don't notice it but if you were to take the car engine that brought me here and set it up on the floor here and fired it up...we would go deaf and then we would die from its emissions. I love that! We'd go deaf and then we would diiiieee And set it up on the floor here and fired it up? We would go deaf

1:44:57 and then we would die. Die? From its emissions, and that's under the hood of every internal combustion engine car and there are hundreds of millions of them so the emissions from fire these trillions of fires... Who is this guy?! He's the guy who wrote the book about fire because of climate change he's on CBS they did a whole 10 minute package on him 10 minutes to tell us we're gonna die. So the emissions from fire, these trillions of fires that we make every day has created this artificially warm climate and so he says we get more intense fire. Wait a second what's the temperature there in Austin here right now? I'm not in Austin but we are... I mean you know the Austin area well right now we're probably around just around freezing

1:45:47 You're around freezing. Yes, we're freezing. So around 32 or so? Yeah it's freezing yes we're cold. That's the horrible heat that you're dealing with I'm sorry to hear that. How about you? It's 50. Oh that's cold for you! I'm looking at the thing that's on screen here. It is actually 49 degrees. Oh no! Put on a sweater! I got one on, believe me. These trillions of fires we make every day has created this artificially warm climate. And so he says... Artificially warm? ...we get more intense fires, stronger hurricanes and hotter heat waves

1:46:31 We're gonna lose everything and we're not joking. Climate scientist Peter Kalbis What was that? It was a Nat Pop! They just threw in a Nat Pop, this is great! or heat waves We're gonna lose everything and we're not joking. Climate scientist Peter Kalmas has been sounding much the same alarm for years So do you feel like you're sitting on all this science, and you're trying to share it with the world? Sitting on science is dynamite! Sitting on science. Do you feel like you're sitting on all this science and you're trying to share it with the world and no one's listening? That's exactly how I feel, yes We met him in 2022 near his home in Altadena California just as he was about to move his family to North Carolina Was part of that move because you were worried about wildfires

1:47:28 Yeah, so for a few years I wanted to move to some place a little bit less fiery. But I want to make it clear that I don't think there's any place safe from climate change And believe me he went right into Helene and he is in North Carolina and you know we're all going to die There is no place where its not safe anywhere from climate change Anywhere ever Not gonna happen Might as well get used to it The new normal Yeah, I think you're right. This is a Trump thing. No totally because we don't need the hoax Idea floating around no no Pre-emptive strike as well as would be called in CBS from CBS the communist yes The worst the Communist broadcasting system You remember that report or not that report all the reports from the surgeon general about alcohol and cancer two weeks ago

1:48:22 Two weeks ago. I've heard a couple reports this last couple of days And what did we think that might be on the way? Mocktails! Mocktails?! If only... No, no wouldn't you know it To the index of other news, a new report by the American Cancer Society tonight finding certain cancers on the rise among women and younger adults including breast thyroid and colorectal cancers. For the first time cancer diagnoses in women ages 50 to 64 have now surpassed men There's your report! And so it begins

1:49:02 They've all been drinking too much. That's going to be the reason. And of course our thesis is the vaccine cover-up? Yes, yes I got a note from one of our boots on the ground nurses actually in Southern California she says that at our hospital there has been a lot of talks amongst doctors about what they feel about using GLP1 drugs for alcohol some are very intrigued and walk around saying hey just google GLP 1 drugs and alcohol addiction The solution is right there. Problem, reaction, solution. These things are compound nowadays it's like it solves a lot of problems Yes

1:49:46 It does. I know! They haven't gotten to the one you're pushing, which is coming...I'm pretty sure you might be right about it What? The alcohol with OZP? No no, the GLP-1s and erectile dysfunction That's gotta...come on! It has gotta be in the next stop on the train Is it in the book? It should be in the book You made it go into a book and somebody out there...there's a virtual book that floating around I got a couple Biden clips that I want to get out of the way. Yeah, sure! Biden and the 28th amendment. Oh yeah, this has been interesting. This is NPR stuff? Yeah I got two clips. Three days before President Biden leaves office he made a surprise announcement about a proposed constitutional amendment that has been debated for decades Today i affirm the equal rights amendments have cleared all the necessary hurdles to be added to the U.S Constitution now

1:50:44 The Equal Rights Amendment that says, quote, equality of rights under the law shall not be denied or abridged by the United States or by any state on account of sex. But the official who certifies constitutional amendments, the Archivist to the United States does not think the proposal has been properly ratified. NPR White House correspondent Danielle Kurtzleben joins us. Danielle thanks so much for being with us Of course good morning Scott What exactly did the president announce? Well, he announced basically what we just heard there. He said that in his mind this amendment is already the law of the land now of course it's not in the Constitution and were it to get their legal scholars say the ERA could affect a wide range of areas like pregnancy discrimination pay equity and reproductive rights but before the ERA can become an amendment it has to be certified by The Archivist woman named Colleen Shogan

1:51:37 The White House told reporters Friday that Biden wasn't directing her to certify the ERA. Rather, they said that Shogun is simply required to certify the amendment and the archivist has said that's not happening." This story was very confusing to me and obviously I'm interested in a constitutional amendment but this has been batting around since the 70s? It expired! Oh. It never passed and it had a deadline built into the act to make it a constitutional amendment, and it never made it, never made the deadline, and it never got passed! It was just bullcrap. And so this bite... So J.D. Vance had the best one-liner he had on Twitter, he says hey Joe while you're making these proclamations

1:52:25 make Pete Rose a member of the Hall of Baseball Hall of Fame, which is about the same thing. So but just let me understand because what I heard and that's of course the reporting is excuse me that Virginia said oh don't we ratify it and now its ratified then it should be the amendment? Is that what the story is? This is Biden's interpretation of reality This is all bullcrap. To make this amendment... part of the Constitution, the process has to be started over. It's expired! But Biden just decided to do this like a maniac! Well we don't think Biden actually is doing anything... Someone else is acting like a maniac. I didn't clip it did you see the Speaker? Before you go with that let's play the second half and then we'll talk. If The Archivist was that explicit where's the confusion?

1:53:23 Well, we have to go back to when the ERA passed Congress in 1972. To explain this after that it went to the states for ratification 38 states have to sign off on an amendment and importantly The ERA had a deadline attached to it for ratification That deadline was eventually set for 1982 but by then It was still three state short Now, despite that state legislatures continued ratifying it over the years and in 2020 Virginia became the 38th state and the ERA reached that benchmark. And the debate was reignited. But why is there a debate? Well its all about that initial deadline I mentioned that was put on the ERA now one side which includes The American Bar Association they argue that the deadlines does not matter

1:54:09 One argument they make is that the Constitution just doesn't say anything about amendments having deadlines. But interestingly, DOJ officials under both Trump and Biden are on the other side of this during the Trump administration, the DOJ issued an opinion saying the deadline did matter, and that it was up to courts or Congress to move the ERA along in 2022. The Biden-DOJ agreed that this is up to the court's in Congress. And this is where the archivist comes in In 2022, and again last month her office Colleen Shogan said that they are following what the DOJ said in those instances. Hmm interesting. They can start it over? They want to pass this thing started over there was all in on it Was this does this go back to the bra burning

1:54:57 Yeah. Wow, it's that old huh? I think it was initiated in the 70s And this is really about discrimination based on sex Which, and I guess there's tons of laws already that don't disallow that. Well actually we had a series of clips that are in the archives by Phyllis Schlafly she was the number one complainer about this thing. Phyllis Schlafly was left- sorry right wing woman who is very famous for it and she was interesting if these these series of clips that we put on the show...I think we played some of them

1:55:36 She was sharp and she, no one could really. It's one of those people like trying to debate... Like if you went up and decided to debate Ben Shapiro for example? Oh I would be screwed. You'd be dead! Yeah, screwed. Well she was this type, she wasn't that, she wasn't a fast talker but she was hard to beat in these debates and she made the her commentary based on look women have it better Right now because we're like a protected class without this amendment. She says you put the amendment in and now we're gonna have to go to war, or we're gonna have to be drafted... she just moaned and groaned about how this amendment was a bad idea because it was... They got a good deal going on! They had a good deal going the way she saw it And she had a strong argument and she convinced...she's the one...she is the reason this never passed

1:56:36 Now, they could restart it because she's not around anymore and there is nobody making her arguments. And everyone is gung-ho for this and that so its possible they could get to be passed but she had strong arguments and was powerful. Well the first thing Republicans would do would exactly that like okay you're being drafted now Yeah, that's what you do. You take the worst case scenario and you make it worse I'm glad you clipped the Mike Johnson stuff because uh... i thought about it and I guess I forgot about it Can we play those? Yes! Mike Johnson this is a clip that has a lot of people bent out of shape And I want to defend him Do I only have two clips? He had a meeting with Biden Apparently he showed him that he wasn't really running for president

1:57:26 everyone condemned Mike Johnson after these clips appeared because it's like, why didn't you say something? Why don't you go... and the problem that you have with that is that when your if you're this Speaker of the House meeting with their president. That's a private conversation no matter- You can't and he says why he can talk about it now because The Wall Street Journal brought it out. They published it. No! You can't go in again discuss this sort of thing just in general. So I give him a break on this. obviously has not been in charge for some time. And I know this by personal observation and now the whole world knows it, and it's been very concerning to me over the last year-and-a-half since I've had this position. Can you tell us a story when you say personal observation? What kind of thing did you see? Well, I mean... It's public now because The Wall Street Journal got it and put on the front page but January a year ago almost exactly a year ago

1:58:20 I had been asked, I became speaker in October 2023 and there were all sorts of big national security concerns and everything going on. And I started requesting a meeting with the president because you know, I'm kind of old school. I'm a constitutional law guy. Speaker of the house should be able to talk to the president especially in times of great national interest and calamity but they wouldn't let me meet with him. And his staff kept putting getting excuses this went on for like eight or nine weeks. So I'm sorry Mr. Speaker he doesn't have time what are you talking about? I'm second line of the presidency He has time I need to talk to him We had, I can't say the classified parts but we had some big national concerns at the time that I was losing sleep over. Finally, I just went to the Hill Press Corps and said the President is not being allowed to meet with a speaker there's a problem so they started putting pressure on him long story short they finally relented they invited me to the White House I show up and I realize it's actually an ambush because it's not just me in the president this also

1:59:10 Kamala Harris, Chuck Schumer, Hakeem, the CIA director everybody. So I walked in the Oval and thought, ah! I know what this is... They're going to hotbox the Speaker on Ukraine funding that's what it was This is probably third week of January. Hey Mike, what's that in your mouth? The CIA director! Hey Mike do a little pull aside with Mike here for a second I think I remember him saying that he couldn't get a meeting with the president That i think he did say in public Yeah, well he could do that but he couldn't discuss the meeting itself. But now he does and here's what the outcome was... We sit down we're in the midst of it and the whole conversation I'm going..we don't need to have this conversation The president reaches over just like this were sitting right next fireplace in the Oval and grabs my arm and says

1:59:57 The speaker and I just need a couple minutes together. Would you all just leave us alone? And I looked up on the faces of some of the staff standing around the wall, and they're like, no he did it! So they... He called it. He's the commander in chief so everybody leaves and he and I are standing awkwardly in the middle of the Oval Office right over the rug by that coffee table And I said, Mr. President thanks for the moments you know this is very important i got some big national security things and need to talk to about that I heard nothing you know what we do but first real quickly miss president can ask your question? I cannot answer this from my constituents in Louisiana sir why did you pause LNG exports to Europe Like, I don't understand. You know, liquefied natural gas is in great demand by our allies. Why would you do that? Because you understand we just talked about Ukraine. You understand your fueling Vladimir Putin's war machine because they got to get their gas from him and he looks at me stunned with this and

2:00:46 I didn't do that. And I said, Mr President yes you did it was an executive order like three weeks ago and he goes no I didn't do that and he's arguing with me. I said Mr President respectfully can I go out here ask your secretary to print it out we'll read together? You definitely did that! He says oh you talk about natural gas Yes sir No no you misunderstand what I did is sign this thing were going to conduct a study on the effects of LNG I said, no you're not sir. You paused it! I know...I have the terminal-the export terminal in my state. I talked to those people this morning This is doing massive damage to our economy and national security It occurred to me Barry He was not lying to me he genuinely did not know what he had signed And i walked out of that meeting with fear and loathing because we were in serious trouble who was running the country? Like..i don't know who put the paper infront him but he didn't know So....we knew who was running the country because they were in the room

2:01:41 That's who has been running the country. And I would say CIA director being there probably has the goods on everybody and might have been calling the shots. We also had that, doing with the Donald and brothers or the Black Rock folk but the question that comes to mind and it's never discussed in Barry doesn't discuss it that's for sure and it wasn't discussed on this interview Who does he think is running the country, A. But the other thing is why was the point of pausing the LNG exports... I mean why was that decision made? Was it so somebody could place some stocks or where somebody can make a quick buck? Or what exactly... What was the rationale for doing that

2:02:30 for that pause, that pause in time. Who benefited from it? Can somebody trace them and you should be able to follow the money on now when that should be easy enough to figure out maybe somebody was just a dupe to sign it Maybe somebody had a tanker of oil out there on the ocean It was very suspicious. Very suspicious. It was odd! It was like our number one gangbusters move The LNG...it was perfect for us Well, speaking of our allies and this will be the last that I have before we take a break. I'm very excited because Rutte, Rutte! Our boy is on fire but first we have to understand just how worried our allies are about the big orange man For the last four years Europe felt it could rely on its American ally when it came to trade and defense

2:03:26 But not anymore. Donald Trump hates the ongoing US-EU trade deficit, which continued to grow during his first term. It means America buys a lot more from the EU than it sells to the EU. Last month he said he told the European Union to close that deficit by the large scale purchase of American oil and gas otherwise he'd use what he says is his favorite word. Tariff tariffs tariffs tariffs. They're doing super cuts now in the news. Tariffs, tariffs from believes US import tariffs which are basically a tax on imports are lower than the EU's any questions and he may be right The World Trade Organization says that in 2023 the average us tariff was 3.3% compared to 5% in the EU

2:04:17 But that rises to 10% when it comes to importing American cars into the European Union. Which is why he's threatening the bloc with counter tariffs, a tactic that for him doesn't just apply to trade wars. We need Greenland for national security purposes People really don't even know if Denmark has any legal right But if they do, they should give it up because we need it for national security. And if Denmark wants to get to a conclusion but nobody knows that they even have any right title or interest the people are going probably vote for independence or come into the United States. Yeah! If they did...if they did do that

2:04:56 then I would tariff Denmark at a very high level. On defence spending, he's already putting pressure on Europeans to spend more as a percentage of their overall economic output. Well, I think NATO should have 5%. You can't do it at 2%, every country... If you're going to have a country in regular military, you're 4%.. They are in dangerous territory and they could all afford it But they should be at 5%, not 2%. I'm the one that got them to pay two percent. Now, I played that for the five-percent number which i had not heard before. Had you heard five percent of GDP? No Well as it turns out the guy who used to be in human resources at Unilever who ran The Netherlands into the ground for the past 12 years Who is now the head of NATO He's our guy!

2:05:49 He is selling... Your buddy? Our guy is Mark Rutte. He works for us and he's doing a great job I have some Dutch pride actually now What I know from Donald Trump and from the incoming administration Is that they were the ones pushing us for more defense spending They were successful at this, and they were right! They were right! They were right! Yeah! I mean, we did not spend enough and now luckily we are overall close to... That's interesting. No wait! It's so much better. Give that guy stroopwafel! ...spent enough and now luckily we are overall close to the 2%. The problem is of course that in the meantime a two percent is not enough. Is not enough? We just heard Trump say it himself?!

2:06:36 And some of you asked me, okay what should it be? I don't want to commit to a number but as I said in my Carnegie talk after my speech. When you look at the sort of first glance at the capability requirements emerging from the internal planning process with NATO it will be North of innovation for example. This guy he's selling is like look listen you can afford this place, you can afford this house, you get to write off the mortgage, you write off your insurance I mean it's it's it's a this is a bargain Ukraine is experimenting with new radar systems which are extremely less expensive than some of the more traditional radar systems too uh to detect enemy missiles coming in just one example if you're... Radar what?

2:07:39 Cheap radar. This is very cheap radar from Raytheon! We've got many more capabilities we can buy from America. To detect enemy missiles coming in, just one example if you deduct that you don't have to get what we are afraid of which is 3.6 or 3.7 so you would bring that number somewhat down but it will be impressively more than the 2% we are at now I'm afraid but that's a structured process within NATO and we will conclude it over the coming months with the defense ministers latest in June before the summit in The Hague. So now as a good salesman he's going to look at the other side, he is gonna look at your argument why you shouldn't buy this? Why should buy into this much higher defense spending on American gear Oh! You wanna have your own NATO?!

2:08:28 Then on the more autonomous European defence, well it's great to have a sort of European NATO but then forget about 2%. Then you have to bring it up 8%, 9% or 10%. This guy is great. Forget about this man! 8%,9%? You really want...you have to build your own nuclear capability and take control 15-20 years. It will take forever! If you want to build a European NATO with it out of the US, at this moment the U.S is spending over 60% Oh boy! Of all the monies being spent within NATO charity, over 60%. That means that other 31 are doing less than... Mark, mark, mark get your math right 40%, including Canada and so it's an illusion that you can build

2:09:13 a European NATO over the next 10 or 15 years. And why would you? I mean, the transatlantic relationship after the First World War but particularly after the Second World War has served us very well! So why would we disconnect from the US? I will be against it but again if you want this for ideological reasons... If you want this?! If you hate the orange man that much its okay!! Then you have to quadruple or even more your defense spending and then it will still take you 10-15 years. Yeah, so go ahead and do that! And meanwhile me Mark Rutte I'm going to close the deal now. I am absolutely convinced the United States will stay with NATO but we have to make sure that the argument which US had in the past can still be at this moment

2:09:58 that because of what they are spending, we can spend more on other stuff because they spent it on defense. That we take out their argument by spending more ourselves and when I say spending more ourselves yet is better spending joint procurement innovation etc but again also more spending the 2% every Everything I'm seeing at this moment is not nearly enough and if we don't do it, we are safe now but not in four or five years. Here comes the threat! So if you don't do it get out your Christian language courses or go to New Zealand Or decide now to spend more and that's exactly the debate We have to finalize over next three or four months To stay safe in this part of the world and defend ourselves You will be speaking Russian If you don't spend the money I'm liking this guy now

2:10:47 You've always liked him. He's perfect for us! Because you can do him... Well, but he's perfect I had no idea this he is 100% military industrial complex shill it's I mean surprise gambling going on here but I mean he's perfect for this because you know you can't argue that you want to speak Grishin go ahead don't spend the money We must decide this in three to four months. So the AFD people, yeah? In Deutschland they're seriously thinking of quitting NATO! If Germany leaves what's left?! That's where the money is coming from... Wow I don't know it's gonna be an interesting year You know Europe is

2:11:42 goes back hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of years. They're always fighting with each other, and the fact that we've put this off somehow where there hasn't been any real fights since 1946 except for this Ukraine situation and a few miscellaneous bombings here and there in Serbia... Minor stuff! ...minor incursions is a miracle. They were always at each other's throats Traditionally, forever. I don't see why that would change it's got to come back Well if Germany...if the AFD helps Germany leave NATO well there it is And isn't always the Germans and the French? It's always the Germans and the French in some way shape or form The British are always in there too fighting someone They've got nothing now Yeah they have nothing

2:12:43 Well, with that how about I thank you for your courage? And say in the morning to you the man who put the seas incredible bullcrap. Say hello my friend on the other end The one and only the unimitable John Cena! Yeah, and good morning to you Mr. Adam Curry also in the morning ships and sea boots on the ground feeding the air subs in the war games are nice out there. Hello trolls! There we go! Our peak was still 2655 is good this being you know everyone wants here what do you have to say about TikTok? And I'm sure you will say that gave him too much

2:13:20 You did. Yeah, well we don't need to have a meeting about it message received We don't have to have a meeting about it! We never have meetings about anything Actually we do I do have a late donation that came in over there will talk about as it come as if we get To the donation segment Oh, we typically don't do that I know, and that's what my complaint is. It'll be a big complaint Well what about the meeting about that late donation? We should have had it brought it up but I'll bring it You can talk about after the show In our pre-show meeting where we... The pre-show meeting which consists of in the morning And hit it That is how all meetings should go

2:14:03 If all corporations did meetings like we do... There's also one that there is a variable which is, did you get the bonus clip? That is the third element. That is a big part of the meeting. It takes place occasionally as rare. Big part of the meeting Those trolls by the way are hanging out at trollroom.io noagenda.stream and there's a troll room where you sit there you troll along for some reason people this was like five guys in there And all they say is, oh that's fake and gay. That's the only line they have. It's fake and gay? That's the only line they have! Yeah over and over again it's just like oh wow I don't... you need new material guys. Low-T?

2:14:51 Of course you can also get the show live on a modern podcast app. Go to podcastappsplural.com and get one of them that has the bat signal, we go live! And you can listen live in your app, the same app that gets you all your favorite podcasts and when we release the podcast within 90 seconds you'll be notified it's a beautiful thing. It adds all kinds of cool stuff like chapters with art that is taken from our Art Generator which is diligently uploaded by our artists During the show they make these things and that of course is part of our value for value model where we give this to you as a public service. If you get any value out of what we have presented to you then you just send it back to us, time talent or treasure so let's start with the value we received from our artists for episode 1730 We titled that one Pam Bondage Oh by the way I got a note from... Let me see where is it? From Trolldar

2:15:50 And he sent a picture of him at a rally where Pam Bondi was speaking and he says, yeah she may be telegenic but in real life she looks like Merle Haggard in the blonde wig. Well doesn't matter if you're telegenic I thought that would just be something that they would be interested in hearing about Well, you know I have this theory and so it's... Go ahead. What is the theory? I consider there are different kinds of beauty and within the same person there are three kinds of beauty that you can exhibit One is in-person beauty some people that are just terrific looking in person

2:16:40 And then there's photogeneity, which is somebody who looks great in a photograph. Photos yes and then there's telegeneity Which is also similar but it's not the same and this would people look good on video And she is telegenic She's a little photo genk I never seen her in person But I'm to brings me back to my story about Marla Maples Yes you have mentioned this but go ahead The story about Marla, I got to meet Marla Maples Trump's wife or became her wife Or became his wife. Was she married to the Donald at the time? No she was not She was single but you could tell she wasn't interested in anybody but someone bloated But you could also tell this when for one thing she is more beautiful than you can imagine

2:17:32 to the point where she looked pretty in photos but no. No, she didn't really look all that great in photos it's okay. It did matter not because she was a killer and if you and she knew from just looking at her that if she put her hooks in you were done! And that's what happened to poor Trump now So I'm having a photo take and shoot in New York, and with this photographer there who's the guy who did the picture for me. Now are you in the photo shoot or are you producing? I am the guy being shot by this photographer. Oh what was it for? It wasn't an ad? It was PC computing or something...I don't know why can't remember but I had to have this shot so I was in there talking to the guy he also did fine art

2:18:13 And I said, oh you know, I'm always trying to scrounge some free art. Free stuff! And so somehow Marla Maples comes into the conversation and I said she's so pretty and the guy jumps on it right away and he says, I tried to take pictures of her and I couldn't capture it was the most frustrating experience I've ever had as a photographer And so that was the, she was of the one type only of beauty. But there are some people that are all three which is very rare. Now what did you talk about with her? With Marla Maples? Yeah

2:18:52 I can't remember. It was just, you know your two jaw drops when you're just chatting with her she was on the phone almost all the time it was at a... this is now i'm sounding like a douche but he said Bob I think what's his last name? The guy who ran Guccioni Guccioni's mansion was the biggest It was this big, it was actually a whole flat. So wait a minute, let me just get this straight You're doing a photo shoot for yourself at Bob Guccione's mansion? I like the way you conflate these things No the photo shoot was like a year later Oh oh okay i see... I'm at Guccione's mansion for some event because of something that was going on and they had a party there Computer party no doubt

2:19:38 Yeah, and she was there. And there's a bunch of these Gucci Oni people there and they the house was interesting It was a big it's a big it's a townhouse He had to hold hot townhouse. There is supposedly the biggest one in Manhattan supposedly. Hmm. Yeah Very douchey I don't know. I never went to Epstein's Hope not Between Gucci Oni and the Grove. What is it? Bohemian Grove! Yeah, I know...I'm suspect. Very suspect! I think we need to put pictures of you up on the wall and connect some yarn between them. Yeah yarn that's what we need

2:20:19 Hey, the artist for episode 1730 Pam Bondage was no one less than Darren O'Neill who has just become a force to reckon with when it comes to prompt jockeying. Who needs talent? when you can prompt Jockey. We know Darren has no talent, that's what so great about it! Yeah he's... And he did this and what was really nice about it It was a little different I mean first of all it was- It was a fabulous piece let's face it. It was like a movie poster in the postage stamp Newsome's Inferno and above it had No Agenda Studios and then produced by Curry & Dvorak

2:21:03 That is insight. He does have ideas, he's got ideas I don't know how that piece could even come...I mean it's obviously AI, it's what he does now. That's what he does yes. I don't know how this piece could have possibly been generated by anything It's so good! Well maybe he'll tell us Maybe uh.. He can let us know how he did it. He sent us the prompts before I'd like to just take those prompts that he did and then try them in different AIs and lets see if it comes out I mean its amazing And the sad thing of course is hes usurping talented people. Oh, he's kicking their ass! It's... yes it's sad but what are you gonna do? I mean this is like disco all over again

2:21:52 You know, when everyone came in with the drum beats. Well I'm reminded of Martin JJ in the years past... When he was dominating the art segment The chart charts He was dominating for about two or three months and he said look I'm dominating it's ridiculous! I quit Yeah Darren just saying I don't want Darren to quit yet but he is getting there He is up there for sure Let's see, there were some other things that we looked at. I kind of like the red note from Sir Shug better than TikTok try a red note but Tantaniel had come in which we're happy to see it's a yes or no question i take that as a no agenda but it was just...I mean they just couldn't compete

2:22:40 A lot of bondage pics, very funny. We don't typically put people on our art! People keep forgetting that That's... Yeah, we don't. It's not really a rule but yeah generally we don't do that What else was there? Merle Haggard with a wig! It finally hit huh?! No I got it the first time but i'm just looking at this picture of her in the bondage outfit and it's like... I dunno what was interesting is there was a meta piece as Tantaniel

2:23:19 made a newspaper, no agenda newspaper and in it she had Darren's image as newsprint in the newspaper. Did you catch that? No Look at if you look at the art are you looking at the art page Yeah I got the art page up You see which one is titled too soon It's a newspaper and says Olympic fire arrives in LA And then you see Darren's Newsom's Inferno image on the front page of the paper A very, very meta of her to do that. Well I'm not finding it! Okay go to... you see Newsom's Inferno? Oh there it is! I see it too soon okay let me look at it oh that's interesting

2:24:01 That's very meta. Yeah, it was just too small I mean that... Well see you can't see it and also is kind of a boring composition No offense to him but boring And I saw that you used Commissar Blogger's Looney Tunes with Biden for the newsletter Yes By the way there was an interesting newsletter You have a new feature, tell us about this new feature so people can subscribe to the newsletter. It's a point by point way of arguing some situation that exists

2:24:40 So it tells you what, you know... It's like the left says they have these standard things that keep saying and then somebody argues against it. Nobody says anything correctly and so this is a kind of the idea is to create about once a month I'll try to do this a counterpoint or a counterpunch which is called as the name of the article to some any point I think maybe transsexuality or the gender studies. How about this? I have a bonus clip and we try to do this now remember this is The Secret No Agenda Donation Club Oh that's interesting because after your bonus clip, I have a bonus clip Well this is about the newsletter and specifically about... you had a name for it You had a catchy name

2:25:27 Counterpunch. A Wall Street Journal news report has put immigration advocates in Chicago on alert If your family is picked up by ICE, we will give you an appointment to sit down with an attorney or accredited representative in Chicago To be able to start your legal screening seeing what the options are for your family State and local leaders joined them Saturday morning We did anticipate that Chicago would be first. Why? We were the first in the country to declare ourselves a sanctuary city." The Wall Street Journal's report says as early as next Tuesday, 100-200 ICE agents could be sent to the Windy City to begin a deportation operation Those familiar with the plans told the journal the focus will be removing people who are here illegally with criminal backgrounds.

2:26:18 is to broaden the idea that immigrants are more prone to criminality. That's why we reject it That's the big thing. That was your counterpunch. Yeah, that was a perfect example and in the newsletter the counter punch to that argument is outlined in great detail Yes Go look it up on The Socials and every single show notes page even on noagendashow.net you can find a place where You can subscribe to the newsletter. It's well worth it, it had actual content! Yes, which never helps... No, doesn't help we didn't tell us about so now we're gonna move over to the treasure portion of our time. Well before that you want to play a bonus clip? A bonus clip okay this is an example if you have your ducks in a row and you can make an argument

2:27:12 You can do a, which is the counterpunch will have discussion of that. But here's an example of Megyn Kelly who turns out to be getting pretty good at these rants Because she's fast, she's quick-witted and she's got her... Very popular. Very very popular rants from her Yeah and she nails it and she's short now this is a rant from Megyn Kelly on Jennifer Aniston It's 55 seconds! Tina told me about this one. It's quite good but think about how tight

2:27:48 how tight this 55 second rant is and try to be like this. You just saw Jennifer Aniston tweeted out about JD Vance's childless cat lady comments I don't know if she saw that, but she came out and said oh hope your daughter never needs IVF which you will oppose lie he doesn't oppose IVF He signed on to the Ted Cruz Katie Britt bill protecting it in all 50 states so she want to stand up for childless cat ladies because she's one of them what did she say about the women? What'd she say about the girl who got her face punched out by the man in the boxing ring Zero. What does she say about Peyton McNabb, who's suffering permanent nerve damage and brain damage from getting hit so hard in the face and head by a volleyball player in North Carolina? Nothing! What'd she say about that girl who got all of her teeth knocked out in a field hockey game by a boy pretending to be a girl on her team? Zero! So I don't give a shit what she thinks about Jadie Vance and childless cat ladies. She masquerades as some protector of women...

2:28:39 Quite the contrary. She's never stood up on any of these issues! This is the one she comes out on? You don't want childless cat ladies to be offended?! That's where you're gonna plant your flag?? The problem is that, Tina's a big fan of The Megyn Kelly Show but she doesn't really watch the whole show anymore This stuff gets chopped up, it gets posted on... She's an Instagrammer. It gets posted on Instagram and so she just looks for the clips and she'll play five to 15 minutes. She never really gets the whole show in. And I think that Megyn Kelly does a disservice by doing that. I mean it's clearly her team that is doing that and her rants are perfect. In fact, she should be trending on TikTok! This is perfect for TikTok

2:29:24 It's very TikToki. It's extremely TikToky. In fact, they have some good TikTok material coming up after the break. We are very excited first we will thank our executive and associate executive producers as every single show part of the feedback loop of Value for Value is we thank everybody who supported us financially $50 and above as a special Hollywood insertion we like to thank our executive and associate executive producers. And we don't just call them that it's also a credit you get on the show notes for each individual episode, and these are very real credits just like Hollywood You can use them anywhere that Hollywood would recognize them including IMDB

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2:30:53 Thank you and says thanks for keeping me sane through these crazy times. Can't really imagine living without my new agenda, ITM from Zarin. I love the note! Short note beautiful thank you and clearly Zarin got some value from the show a lot and sent it back and we appreciate you Yeah, this is the kind of donations we should be getting from the intelligence community. Well we don't know what Zarin does for a living so we'll just keep that in the middle. If he's in port towns it seems unlikely but you never know. Ty Glander up next and he's also in Washington He's in Kirkland and we got all nasty note from somebody that works at Costco Oh no

2:31:36 Saying, you know Kirkland was only the headquarters of Costco for a while way back before I was there and I've been there for 30 years. Oh! I did...I was unaware. Issaquah is where it's headquartered. Issaquah Washington that's Costco So we got to know it and the guy was very informative about all kinds of Costco inside information And did we learn about the hot dogs? Are they skimping on the bags? Are they skimping on drinks? Did we get any information on that He says that they have, the hot dog thing is a problem with the company because they've had to, they used to be made. They used to have a Polish and a hot dog and it used to be made by I think is Nathan's and... Yes, it was at Nathans yes And then there was a kosher version some of them yeah but it was done by different companies Made by Oy-Nathan

2:32:26 Oi, Nathan. No there's some other company... Hebrew. Hebrew National Song. Oh, Hebrew Franks yes you're right So there was a two and they said oh they were going broke so they decided Costco hot dogs are currently made by Costco They were going broke? They were losing money on the hot dogs Well sure! They eating the dogs We're loosing money They're eating the dogs That would have been perfect for the clip So they're making their own hot dogs now and somebody bitched about the buns being smaller. I didn't notice that was me, that somebody was me! I noticed it And he said that they don't have... after COVID they dropped the onions and sauerkraut because of COVID! And so they stayed away from it because as you know this costs money Yeah They took advantage of the situation

2:33:17 They took advantage of the situation, but this guy's an insider at Costco so we have Costco questions. We can find out the answers. When is the cheap wine coming back? Give us a heads up! He said the reason for the chicken change, because they used to be... Another show title. Chicken Change. Okay. The chicken is in a bag now which is regretful and everyone at the company knows it too. It's all for environmental reasons. Of course Washingtonians. All that plastic. Washingtonians there you go and that's it Anyway, so we got Ty Glander here and he's in Kirkland Washington the former home of Costco 631 61 and he says to correct the record and get knighted Sir Libra's birthday gift was to drive traffic to the best metal show in the value for value universe that sir libra.com slash lightning dash thrashes yes Put a link in there I think we can I would like to be knighted as

2:34:19 Sir imp perfect. Imp imperfect Good all right you got it we'll see you in a bit Ty Skylar Firestone now there's a DJ name if I heard one Skyler Firestone with your rockin and rolling from Liberty Hill, Texas 3 4 5 6 9 ITM great show your deconstruction is top keck and skibbity-riz as the kids would say Hey, do you see how that rolled off my tongue? Yeah, unfortunately. Let's play that I like that Climate change Al Sharpton will play that one again for you. That was kind of we haven't heard it enough So it's kind of funny go team go sports. That's true Firefighters have been making progress in containing the region The raging Palisades and Eden fires the devastation now ranks among the worst in California history

2:35:28 Meanwhile, the World Meteorological Foundation said Friday that 2024 was the hottest year on record. 1.5 degrees Celsius above pre-industrial levels bringing the planet dangerously close to breaking the pledge made by Glocal Agglomeration leaders under the 2015 Paris Climate Agreement. You've got it. Oh, Al. Harmless. The gift that keeps on giving. Yeah MSNBC's uh...

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2:36:50 Interface with the Swift banking system at almost zero cost. Hindsight is 20-20, XRP has tripled in the last six months because Gary Gensler lost his lawsuit! It hasn't happened since the inbred insider losers of the SEC lost their two year long battle to try and squash Ripple! Then in all caps if the federal government can't stop it why aren't you buying it? It's the only cryptocurrency with a green light No jingles, give me karma and the rest of the slaves Or with the rest of the slave sir Nick night of abundance. Well he gave us $333 He must be doing well I'm all for it no ripple is down 5% today but okay good to go you've got Karma, I always thought was a wine what that thought it was a wine

2:37:46 Okay, so Kevin Dills Huntersville North Carolina 333 33 heard from him for a while. No well he has complaints Adam you're dumb you're chomping your teeth Huh? Please send me a timecode if I'm I mean even now I am the one that catches this stuff Yeah, I mean I can't even charm but sometimes I notice this But I don't think i've heard that on the show. Well since i'm listening on speakers, it's possible i'm missing the subtlety of the chomping of the teeth He says it breaks through the noise gate! It's distracting please stop also please use your cough button That's John by the way No no you don't- You cough a lot on this show and you have a cough button and I DON'T

2:38:34 Well, get a cough button. No I just use the mute... You blow your nose you sneeze in... Well that's a good way to blow your nose for effect! I mean it's a good... you're yakking away on something and then a nose blow right in the middle of it is perfect For effects? Well, I'm sorry. I use my cough button A LOT when I cough Believe me The times that I don't use it are rare but I shall pay attention and please send me a time code for so-called teeth chomping I mean, they are new so who knows. You're hurting my ear balls! You're hurting the show! That got my attention when you said that Sir Kevin Dills Duke of North Carolina thank you brother i will pay attention send me a time code. So Jim James in Oklahoma City Oklahoma 333 33

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2:40:58 So this came in at 7 in the morning because somebody rolled out of bed and said, yeah I haven't donated for a while. And so I think I'll donate and so we went back and forth he said it's too late! That's money you know... You're a rule follower. You're a rule follower! So this is Dana Brunetti Oh really? You're sucking up to Hollywood. 222, RoadDUX. Oh please... RoadDUX 220 yeah I knew you'd be offended He gets special treatment because he's Hollywood

2:41:35 I gave him grief for this because it's like, you know, and he's like you. He's anal. He's a neat freak and he's the guy who would go... Ah! Rules, rules. But anyway so he has his note which i thought would be worth reading. If I can just say for those that are new to the show Dana Brunetti producer of such fine entertainment as Fifty Shades of Grey, Fifty Shades of Greyer and more greyer than Fifty Shades. House of Cards, Gran Turismo and many many more fine entertainment products. He's a entertainment product guy who is retired. Uh-huh. That's what I say! Sure... So he writes a note, he wanted this note read I think more than anything

2:42:24 Here's the note. We need to discuss tip of the day. Oh, and he's making waves okay all right It's gone from Timu to how-to look people up online very dangerous and addictive we don't want it ending a band in the US like TikTok get it together JC Then he says this donation is a switcheroo And the secretary slash associate producer credit... He can't stand that. Yeah, he's got a beef about this about the credit itself as a... Hey give us 10 grand and we'll change it. Goes to the richest man my best buddy and Adams favorite agent provocateur Elon Musk! Oh brother Signed the governor of El Dorado

2:43:21 Well, you know perhaps the governor should look at Elon Musk being outed as a phony expert gamer which is all the rage now everyone's talking about it. I don't know anything about this. Well, he...I think it was on Rogan and he said uh and he was showing this video of how good he was at gaming turns out he has some Chinese guy doing it for him and the guy's like there's a Chinese guy doing his tweets too come on well for sure he's got writers I mean does he even do anything? The flyer writer? No, no, no, he doesn't do anything All right. Well, we will alert Elon of this switcheroo! So do I just put Elon Musk in the credits? Yeah, put Elon Musk in the credits. What was it... It was 222 is what it was? 222-222. It's a row of ducks as small row of ducks. The associate producer length row of ducks. Elon Musk and Elon Musk coincidentally from Austin Texas

2:44:23 What? He's in Austin, Texas. Oh that's where he lives? Yes! Yeah he lives in Austin I thought he moved to the coast so it'd be near his lunch stand We're just gonna call it Austin Alright very good Then I'll do Kurt who also is in Austin Now Kurt should have gone first because he has 263 22 but oh no breaks on for Dana Brunetti the big Hollywood star K- Kurt K. of Austin, Texas my last name is produced pronounced produced is Kifer which you probably just mispronounced again no I can read ahead it's pronounced kifer not kefir

2:45:01 You know, all caps here. Moving right along I decided to replace my very old WBEZ NPR coffee mug from my previous life in Chicago with a spiffy new No Agenda 15 ounce mug from noagendashop.com Why? Because NPR sucks! I can't believe I contributed to the wackadoodles over at America's Treasure that's our national treasure for so many years. All my money now goes to you guys, John it's paying off. Once again a big thanks to my Austin native free-thinking brilliant drop dead gorgeous wife Beth for turning me on to no agenda continue your jobs karma from my dear sister Carrie love you guys the producers and boobs

2:45:43 All the best, Kurt. Thank you Kurt! Jobs jobs jobs and jobs let's vote for jobs! I think that makes us assume that Beth has nice boobs. Yeah, it sounds like it. Yeah Eli the coffee guy's up he's in Bensonville Illinois $201 and 19 cents and he says well that was an interesting four years I guess we'll have to wait and see what the next four years will bring Then he goes on to say, I do believe centuries from now historians will say the mid-2020s was the golden era for the best podcast in the universe. Hmm...I'd say probably true. Maybe yeah what a time to be alive! I'm just glad to be along for the ride caffeinated and motivated.

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2:49:44 Thank you all very much executive and associate executive producers again these credits are completely real. You can use them anywhere show business people hang out go to Danny Brunetti go up to his ranch and say excuse me I'm executive producer your I'm lowly secretary associate executive producer yes funny didn't mention dreams and I should mention I'll tell you where he lives in bumfuck shingles he's the governor apparently We'll be thanking everybody $50 and above in a few minutes. Remember we do have John's tip of the day coming up created by Dana Brunetti, and I think we have some talk clips coming so once again thank you all for supporting us with your time your talent and your treasure! Our formula is this... We go out or hit people in the mouth. More! More! MORE! MORE! YEAH!!! Shut Up!

2:50:46 Alright, you're up. I guess. You're up. TikTok! TikTok alright! So this would be the last of the Doolulu clips... You must be very happy that TikTok is back on the air I don't really care. What else you gonna do with your time? What are you going to doom scroll, LinkedIn? See i use the online app it's not an app its a website Oh yes you and Sotomayor Yes remember In fact I dont even do that I let other people clear these clips just so you know the website is stealing your contact list Yeah I bet it is

2:51:24 So let's start with the great, this funny-looking guy that comes on and he has been talking about Trump being arrested. And fortunately went on and on so there is a two parter but this is the talk de lulu dude one! He is not going to be sworn in and he will not be our next president how I know that for certain comes from the knowledge of some information I found out last night that i didn't know. You know we all know that when Biden was sworn in, the one person not present at his inauguration was who? Donald Trump! He lacked the character to be there

2:52:02 to share in another man's joy, to have the character to say you know I didn't win the election. You did but here is a guy that has been given everything on his silver platter his whole life he was born on third base and thought he hit a triple He couldn't be at Joe Biden's inauguration. So what I found out last night, you know, I'm thinking when is Donald Trump going to be arrested? And now I know that he's gonna be arrested at his inauguration because there's gonna be three people not present there. Barack Obama, George W Bush and Bill Clinton and their wives will not be present

2:52:38 at Donald Trump's inauguration on Monday. They will not be there, not just because they know that he is an asshole and they don't want to be near him or around him but it is a security risk It is a security risk that they don't want our presidents to be subject to The inauguration the steps have been taken 30 miles of high quality well built fencing This is very difficult to negotiate. It's not easy to get over 30 miles of that cement blocks and 25,000 law enforcement officers those things are in place To quelch a second insurrection because the powers-that-be know

2:53:23 That the proud boys and girls there that are invited into Washington, DC this Sunday to celebrate Donald Trump's victory. That's why you invited them in on Sunday so they can celebrate he knows that they're there to come to his back because he knows something is up to have his back on Monday. The systems are in place, they can't have his back." You know what these guys are missing or what they miss because this is obviously going to be the last Dulu's we have? Quantum dots! But they need a Q, they need their version of Q like Zed. Zed says... you know, they needed a guy Yeah, you're right there is a missing element here where we were left hanging by who he had this information it was provided by Who?! By What!?

2:54:09 Anyway, he wraps up early with a short day. I had to put this in there's the rest of it They can attempt to have his back but they'll be arrested and put down so there you go This is probably one of my most meaningful videos when am i reaching out to you? Hopefully will be one of my shortest I'm learning to curb it. I'm gonna be better. I'll be better at providing information and not going on so long please the 15th The hearing on election interference, the next day yesterday Joe Biden signs an addendum to an executive order 13694 making it a crime to undermine the election process which Donald Trump's guilty of. And that's the final piece of the puzzle done!

2:54:47 They had to wait this long and everybody's like why could they've done it weeks ago? They couldn't Kamala had to certify the ballots so that no Republican attorneys can raise their freaking ugly heads in question anything It's a lockdown. That's lock all the everything has been done Legally Donald Trump was never going to take office. Yeah, no boy What are they gonna do these people? I'd like to know because i got two more of these people. Okay, this one here is my favorite of the group This is they got him Oh brother They Got Him! And in the event that this really is like The End Of TikTok In America Which...I still don't fully believe but yeah im gonna say it They Got Him

2:55:35 the three-letter agencies, the government whoever you want to say they got him he's not going to be inaugurated. He is going to be punished for his crimes both proven and still in the works but yeah I don't think he's going to take office and even if who we want to take office doesn't honestly like as long as it's not him That's fine with me. Although I do hope to God that it doesn't you know turn out to be a process where it's JD or little Johnson because That's not much better Yeah, I mean we heard that his inauguration was moved inside Because of security hmm and not because the weather like he said So I don't know all nice fade-out on the music so I saw a bunch of pictures this morning that NYPD is there? I don't know if that's like

2:56:29 the norm or a regular thing just to have extra protection there, or whatever. But NYPD is there lining the street something's gonna happen he's not going to make it with some like geo-prism even predicting that there's going to be like a great switch so we'll see but like I was saying if this is the last app the last day of this app, excuse me. Sorry if this is the last day of this app then like they got him even if we don't see that take down on TikTok like we want to see it or even if we do you know? Even if we do that would be great but rest assured It'll be okay and we're good They got him Well now I understand why The Troll Room continuously says it's all fake and gay

2:57:21 Dude, and you had something to say about my Supreme Court clips? And then we have, let that slide. And then we have the talk reason Trump going inside because he's done they got him it's all over. He's getting arrested. Kamala is gonna be president! So you may have heard that the Trump team is moving their inauguration ceremony from outside to inside and the rotunda and they are saying it's because of frigid temps but it's actually because they are expecting some of the lowest turnouts ever for an inauguration. And I know this very well from working with campaigns, if you know you're going to be short people, you move to a smaller space, move everybody to the front take the pictures from the back and that's what they're gonna do

2:58:08 Oh brother. No one was gonna show up, well it's going to be 12 degrees yeah I mean but people were still gonna show up probably oh yeah man is that it? Does that conclude our... I think of the Trump stuff yeah there's one other clip which has got nothing to do with and it'll be used as appropriate we put it in abeyance for now Yes, in advance. Now I got the free speech clips out of the UK which are interesting The UK is a very interesting study from the perspective of free speech because George Orwell There isn't any What has been going on there? It's been kind of a shocker Yeah, I have to I gotta call my buddy Michelle Is this about the pubs is that what this is no This is not about the auditionist about this whole problem with the universities is right they're making a big fuss at some of the universities because

2:59:03 They've decided that free speech is a good idea. Let me just read you the headline, Labor's Pub Banter Crackdown Landlords could ban... Oh yes I heard it! This is great! How does this even? This is beyond me what's going on. Landlords could ban drinkers from talking about controversial topics that bar workers think are offensive So a landlord can kick you out if you're running a bar on their property I guess. This is why i have to call Michel because he knows this stuff It's like, yeah there is no free speech in the UK None! Zero! Zip nada Why? I wonder how Scott Galloway is doing He bought a house there and he moved to London so we could talk about football Oh please

2:59:56 All right, free speech in UK universities. Britain will enact free speech legislation for universities amid mounting calls from leading academics but only partially the British government is seeking to repeal some provisions of the incoming law which it deems burdensome entities international correspondent Malcolm Hudson has more on this from London Free Speech in UK Universities is now set to be better secured with a law aiming to protect students and teachers from cancel culture, though the British government is currently implementing only parts of a law after previously pausing the full version. And this after continued and mounting pressure from academics and free speech advocates who wanted the law enacted

3:00:42 Education Secretary Bridget Philipson paused the Higher Education Freedom of Speech Act just before it was due to take effect last August, due to concerns that the law was burdensome while not addressing hate speech on campuses. However almost 700 academics including several Nobel Prize winners called on Philipson implement the law to protect free speech On Wednesday, Philipson confirmed key provisions will be brought into force. The ability of our academics to explore and express new ideas through teaching and research is precious and we must protect it these fundamental freedoms are more important much more important than the wishes of some students not to be offended

3:01:24 She said universities are not a place for students to shut down any view with which they disagree. Provisions to enact include the higher education regulator, the Office for Students will have the power to investigate complaints over breaches of free speech as well as the power to issue fines for breaches The act will also require all universities to have robust codes of conduct to ensure the protection of free speech. Universities that break the rules will be publicly held to account and could end up paying compensation, fines or even be suspended. Just one of many reasons we left you guys! You're crazy

3:02:02 They're totally crazy. This all seems to be about just banning the term Paki Really? I mean, the whole thing is crazy there and they you know They don't want me they're like the Australian guy who doesn't even wants that he wants to make memes Illegal more so now Elmer Fudd. They do not have any version of a First Amendment And they have the Magna Carta Which I think says something maybe about religious freedom possibly. But this is a... Wow, this is a problem. Where's the revolt Britain? It's beyond me but here's the second part of this series. Philipson is seeking to repeal other parts of the legislation The first is the duties on student unions in the Act

3:02:54 Students' unions are neither equipped nor funded to navigate such a complex regulatory environment. She's also seeking repeal of another provision, one which would allow individuals to sue institutions that failed to comply with freedom-of-speech requirements. She said this... It would create costly litigation that risks diverting resources away from students at a time when university finances are already strained. The Department for Education also said overseas transparency provisions in the Act will be kept under review These provisions were meant to prevent anonymous donations to universities amid concerns about foreign interference. Responding to Philipson, Shadow Education Secretary Laura Trott asked what changes to the overseas funding provisions are being considered? Can she confirm that none of these were discussed in the Chancellor's recent visit to China and can she confirm that there were no deals done to amend this clause

3:03:55 Philipson did not respond to this question at the time. Where's Nigel Farage? Where are these people with that, where is the outrage there is none! There's no outrage I don't least... Not that I can see. I haven't seen any it's very peculiar. In fact I remember we didn't talk about it but there was a starmer who was really freaked out about the fact that Trump's henchman Elon Musk Hatchet man hatchet yeah hatchet man I'm sorry you're right Yeah, he's going after him for being a pedophile. Not for being a pedophile! For protecting the... The rapists? Yes yes But he's and Starmer made some comment about you know they're gonna ask for the extradition of American citizens who get involved in British politics and make commentary of some sort that's against their laws

3:04:53 Which means Musk. Yeah, I don't know what what they're gonna do This is just crazy by the way did you see the news about Darren Bell? The prize-winning cartoonist oh yes yeah he's done He's on some really odd groomer like yeah, I had there was a Meme about it which was I was going to use in the out probably put in the next newsletter It's quite funny yeah that guy Yeah, he was a nasty editorial cartoonist. We don't know that he is. He's been arrested on it. No I say he's nasty. Nasty editorial cartoonists. Yes. He was me and mean-spirited nasty editorial cartoonists that used to give Trump grief for one thing or another especially his you know supposed assault on that crazy woman

3:05:50 in Bloomingdale's. Oh, no, Bergdorf! Bergdorf yeah like there is nobody around Yeah In Bergdorf and so he is that guy and then the next thing you know he was accused of being... Uploading child pornography oh man what a scourge A ledge Yeah a ledge, a scourge Well speaking of Elon Elon It's amazing what kind of press the guy can get Amazing. Tonight, these spectacular images of debris ablaze in the sky above the Caribbean... The SpaceX Starship breaking apart and crashing back down to Earth. The FAA now requiring SpaceX launch an investigation into the mid-flight failure. Yeah. SpaceSafe on Midpass. A debris response area has been activated. The incident forced flight delays and diversions around Florida. Some pilots concerned midair. We've got a major streak going from at least 60 miles

3:06:47 all these different colors. Just curious if it looked like it was coming towards us." This was the seventh test launch of the rocket, the reusable booster successfully hauled in by the so-called chopsticks of Mechazilla. SpaceX lost communications with the ship just minutes later Companies saying they believe a fire caused it to break apart SpaceX is asking anyone who finds debris to report it to them and the Starship will be grounded until SpaceX and the FAA completes this investigation. I love it, I love it Was this the moon launch? was this one that was supposed to go to the moon? I think so

3:07:28 Forget the Van Allen belts, you can't even get above the clouds. But hey man it's really awesome how the booster gets caught by Mechazilla mom that's really awesome that's really fantastic that's a little awesome okay Get me to the moon we did it 60 years ago in some rickety piece of aluminum You know me, John. At least you're consistent! I am very consistent!

3:08:20 Dana Brunetti has showed up on the scene and is making waves. We're very curious, everyone loved the dash cam one I saw people posting pictures of it and links to it and everyone's like... It was a huge hit! And you know you got some free gear out of it which reminds me because we're going to thank everybody $50 and above I want to thank Sean Homan in Noblesville, Indiana who comes in with $148.48 which he says was a show 1730 donation I guess that was what was the number for show 1730 it wasn't 148 48 that must be with fees well it's his first donation and switcheroo for his wife they just had their fourth human resource it was their first boy finally

3:09:14 And then he just says, everyone go to stealtharms.net and the reason why I say that is because you know you got yourself a dash cam He sent me a platypus A what? A platypus You don't know about the platypus No, I don't know anything about what you're talking about. Oh the platypus that's that is the hottest handgun going on these days the platypus It's a plot it's called up You see your shooting a gun called a platypus? It actually looks a bit like a platypus but with a big get ya just spray bullets every which way or what do I Don't know got a big bill on the end Kind of I gotta go pick it up. I'll pick it up tomorrow let you know so Anyway, that's it. You can continue

3:10:01 Oh, what was I doing? You're gonna pick it up with Sir Stuart in Staffordshire. Oh no! Oh you... oh I'm sorry you got me all confused. Yes, yes I am sorry about that. Sean Holman was the first. He's in Noblesville okay and yeah you read that for some reason. Because he gave me a platypus. Eh, well I didn't get a platypus. You gotta dash cam. Platypus is more interesting. Well, pfff, you gotta talk to Sean I got gypped. You sure did! That is as bad as saying Paki, my friend you can't say gypped anymore surely you know that yes why can i say gyp what's the reason? It hurts Gypsy's feelings. Curiously had one Gypsie who told me that yeah and did he beat you up

3:11:06 No. He pickpocketed me. Did he read your fortune? Okay, onward. Sir Stuart Staffordshire, these are the donations from... Pickpocketed me! You're bad! Yeah. Sir Stuart Staffordshire UK 12433 David, David, David Baron I think he's by now. Gladstone Missouri David Fugazotto in 12433. There you go! Dame Round Stone in Trumbull Connecticut 12433 these are all the donations for the inauguration 12025 right

3:11:55 Plus the interesting how the fees bring it to a 33 magic number everywhere. It's amazing Yeah, I found that to be peculiar indeed James Fitzgerald in Palmer Lake Colorado I'm just gonna read them all these all these are off donations and for the Trump coronation Mary Ann Delphia, James Fitzgerald's in Palmer Lake Connecticut... Colorado. I'll get it. Mary Ann Delphia in Garrettsville Ohio Michael Kellner in Ripon California Nathan Cochran in Franklin Tennessee Sir Nathan, it is your mercy me boys Yes yes right

3:12:38 Uh, I need to see. Yes you do desperately you need it yeah well next time we're out here uh or just come by we'll go have dinner with the band You can hang out with the band at dinner Yeah have dinner with a band bring them over yeah Dame Mel-avation Mela-a-vation Malavasion I don't know Malavation Malavation Colorado Springs 125. John Wynn in Austin, Texas also... These are all the 120-25s this worked out. Aaron Mullett as in mullet and goshen

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3:20:55 Do a remote we have some esky some people that take us around shows the sites and some people are very smart when they title their Their meetups after well-known brands this comes from Keene, New Hampshire. It is the too many eggs calm eat up This is Emily resist me much John and Adam how are you? You guys are great We enjoy it as too many eggs meeting number nine and it's a pleasure to be here with you guys. Moving along! Hi John and Adam, this is BriBri I like the show keep doing what you're doing it's good stuff ITM gentlemen this is CryptoDuke I guess we had a lot of shy people which is why we have big gap so that's that's why anyway thank you again for the great show and um... We're having a great time here at Margaritas in Keene

3:21:42 Yes indeed and our final meetup report comes from Central Ohio. Good evening gentlemen this is Wild Bill of Ohio we are at Dempsey's for the central ohio meet up and we're playing slappy birds it's flappy bird but same thing ITM gentleman this is sir Rod night-of-the-crocs in socks hanging out with the central ohio meetup crew happy to have Sir PBR Street gang and Dame Trinity here with us From Indiana, I'm gonna pass the phone. Thank you for your courage. In the morning Dame Trinity have a great time at Dempsey's Sir PBR Street Gang coming directly from Dempsey's downtown Columbus having another great meetup sir Dempsey he does know hold it it's sir Leary

3:22:28 Dempsey's. Good to go! Great meetup, love having these folks. Sir Larry here sorry about that delay there but we've got real roses in the glasses here and it's really nice so if you want a good join a meetup we'll see you in February ciao In the morning bag slappers John go back on Who Are These Podcasts Adam you need to go on Who are these podcasts join The Dabbleverse guys A reminder to get your servers on these meetup reports. We love hearing from them as well and that's a good person hit in the mouth The no agenda mug club media meet up is well underway as we speak in black finamera pub Ballantine That's in Charlotte, North Carolina. We have tomorrow that'll be it's more also Presidents Day I think it is now its Martin Luther King. Is there Martin Luther King day? It's a holiday Yeah, you're you won't get your mail

3:23:24 Oh man, I'm gonna miss my mail. What else is going on tomorrow? Oh yeah! That's right the Shrunken Amygdala inauguration celebration 7 o'clock at March 1st brewing in Cincinnati Ohio and on Wednesday the Outer Swamp meetup in Java Nation Rockville Rockville, Maryland. There's many many many more fantastic meetups scheduled and I do apologize to the outer swamp somehow they'd slipped through the cracks so make sure if you're in Rockville Maryland or in Spookville Nation over there to go to Java nation six o'clock on Wednesday And as I said, many more including Tokyo on January 25th. Tokyo Japan! I'm sure there'll be some No Agenda celebrities there You can find every single meetup listed well into this year at noagendameetups.com Go ahead if you can't find one there start one yourself it's real easy y'all Sometimes you wanna go go hang out with all the nights and days

3:24:24 It's just like a party, only noisier. There you go! I think i brought some ISOs since we're in the moment of the show we like to play some fun little ditties that well this is it this is really the true meeting we have The only meeting we have on the show is this and we do it in public. I have two ISOs Do you have any eyes? Oh, I have one but I have to preface it with the clip for that move from which I drew the ISO No, well let's do that first So I have so I'm listening to NPR no surprise And there's these and they're talking about disguise as kind of low-key guy like this gonna be my new term for the For the day guys who talk high

3:25:23 And so these low-t guys, so this guy's going on and on about this show on Apple called severance. Oh yeah I think I saw a couple episodes of the first season It is very creepy it's about it's about a company that shoots you in the head with a they drill your brain and then pretty much Yeah makes just so you can...you don't remember anything he did at work because it's a spook operation Have you have you watched The New Squid Game? No, I'm not gonna watch this. There's only so many hours in a day and I'm not watching squid anything And I'm not gonna shoot a squid gun So uh...so forget it. I've forgotten

3:26:03 So this guy goes on, he's gonna bring these guys on. And it just goes right to the end where when he brings these two people on I know after listening to this intro to these two people which i cut out to make my ISO that I'm never going to watch this show Severance but here listen to this... Severance is now back for its highly anticipated second season on Apple TV Plus and for people like me who got obsessed with Season 1 The follow-up season has a lot of questions to answer It goes deeper into the shadowy corporation of Lumen, the life and death mysteries and the romances driving the plot.

3:26:39 If you don't want the first season spoiled or to hear even mild hints about the second season, consider this your warning because we're about to get into it with some of the show's breakout stars Tramiel Tillman and Britt Lauer. Welcome to both! Thank you for having us. Let me guess what your ISO is? Oh man... That's just so creepy! Yeah that is kind of creepy By the way, have we finished Diplomat? The second season? Yeah. Great! You liked it? Yeah, I really did. Where was it? It's on... It was published, I think it's on Netflix. Yeah, pretty sure it's on Netflix. Mimi has got something on Netflix she is watching too that she is all raving about. Well- I'll have to check these things out. No you can't just leave us hanging like that. I don't know, we will ask her again as she said

3:27:35 Says I'm watching the show. You know what show some shows by the way, it's something you at you I like that wine guy Hey, I had a great bottle of wine What was it called? I don't know And it's not where is it publishes? Where did it drop? All right, let's get I'm not dropping nothing It's a smell that stays with you huh? Well, that's kind of I think disparaging okay How about this one then stay tuned exclamation mark I kind of like that one. You know, there's something so stupid about that one...I think we have to go with it. And you know what? You know what is is people who do tech voice-to-text? You have to talk like that! Stay tuned! Exclamation mark So the Siri picks it up and does the exclamation mark. Stay tuned! Exclamation mark Yeah It's pretty good right

3:28:29 Yeah, that's fine. All right everybody David Runetti has created it and John C. Dvorak delivers the tip of the day! Well this one actually came in from one of our producers. He stepped on his credit by the way... It comes in at the end again. Okay, just saying... And stepping on Credis is not new to him Hey I don't have- Look He's had his credits removed and then put back and then he sued the Producers Guild then quit the guild because it was ur- you know That's what i mean! We got this checkered past We dont need any hassle from this guy You know? He has your number Not mine, he has your number Yeah, he calls and yells

3:29:20 So this came in from one of our producers, Sir Bates and he says I heard the audible complaint on NAS 1730. Here's a tip and this is good tip by the way A lot of people gave me this tip This is a great tip I've been an Audible user since before the Amazon acquisition and users can download files from your library. The downloadable use is the AAX extension which is not usable outside of Audible, I use OpenAudible which you can get at openaudible.com

3:29:55 to convert from AAX to MP3 for my iPod or other mp3 player. You can also connect Open Audible to your Audible account, to download your library directly this is why you have the account. You download the libraries a bunch of AXs as you convert them directly through your local drive and then you convert into MP3's and they can't... And then you can put him on tour and share with your friends. You do anything you want but this is a workaround That complaint you had on the last show which is you cancel your subscription for 10 minutes and all your audio books were gone Yeah, it turns out there's a lot of different apps that do this But I'd the most frequently recommended one was indeed open audible And I hope we're not violating some some severe copyright issue by promoting this in your tip-of-the day

3:30:45 Well, it's getting dark. What does that mean? The tips are getting darker we got ways of violating privacy and your picture of the house... That thing was that you know people have sent me so many extra sites that also have this uh yeah there's information it's called the internet Yeah but yet the Supreme Court can oodle on forever about TikTok How about getting rid of... Let's get rid of these websites first. There it is everybody, John C. Dvorak's Tip Of The Day created by Dana Brunetti. Created fast for you and me Just the tip with JC And sometimes Adam

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3:32:58 I'm not gonna be a mule. I got something to do, I gotta go do boom-boom-boom This is my wife! This is my sister They switched on me The Equal Rights Amendment It's the 28th amendment of the Constitution now! I would eliminate the capital gains tax That and I would raise the capital gains taxes Come on man My long friend time friend And she's been my friend How'd you take it? a cognitive. No, I haven't taken the test. Why the hell would I take it? My physical mental phil my physical as well as my mental fitness line dog face pony shows former mayor of Massachusetts president has a big stick and President has no intercourse whatsoever when he was ready to prostitute myself in with with I don't know make sure you have the record player on at night sick and tired or smart guys want to be clear I'm not going nuts

3:33:48 And they're coming to take me away, ha-ha! They're coming to take me away, ho-ho! We choose truth over facts. The fact is that I don't remember. She was 12 and I was 30. I want the press know that wasn't me. Trump Trump is telling us what he intends to do. Trump means to throw people in jail who disagree with him. Listen to what he says because he's telling us what he will do He says let's remove all doubt, this is what I'm about This is what I'm about He will execute

3:34:48 Whoever he's allowed. Take him at his word. Boom! Predilection, predilection for predilection for revenge. Look at his past. Trump is telling us what he intends to do He has to be eliminated. You couldn't carry my husband out of a fire, which my response is he got himself in the wrong place if I have to carry him out of a fire all the trees

3:35:34 All the trees burned down, and the mayor's away. Gavin's doing podcasts and the fire chiefs gay Couldn't get no help cause' no one looks like me California's burning, the waters gone to the sea Went up to a dam and I jumped right in Well I laid on my knees

3:36:19 When I intended to swim, the smelter's safe and warm The fire hydrants are dry California's burning because of DEI Just how woke is the LA Fire Department? You want to see somebody that responds to your house, your emergency whether it's a medical call or fire call. That looks like you. It gives that person a little bit more ease knowing that somebody might understand their situation better. The best podcast in the universe! Adios mofo. Dvorak dot org slash N A Stay tuned exclamation mark