1:18:39 who is Tony Blinken's buddy, Kurt Campbell. Who is Kurt Campbell? Well he reminds me of my Uncle Don a little bit without the humor which is sad because I had to listen to an hour-long China Talks podcast recorded... Is it spelled with a C or K? Kurt with a K. Kurt M. Campbell and he has been leading the Indo Pacific strategy for the Biden administration CEO of the Asia Group LLC. Oh, the Asia Group! Hell yeah!
1:19:16 He served as a National Security Council coordinator for the Indo-Pacific. And the Indo Pacific is I think, the term we're going to be hearing although really they're talking about BRICS because we can still hate Russia through China you see? Because China is one of the big supporters of Russia They are in this BRICS coalition The BRICS just by coincidence announced their new SWIFT system which will be launching next year blockchain based...I'm sure it'll be fantastic You know, Britain just announced... Yes? I'm sorry, i'm looking at his bio and this he's got all the earmarks of what you we noticed. You know Council on Foreign Relations blah blah but this one cracks me up 2018 to 2019 Campbell was the Kissinger fellow at the McCain Institute He is a war criminal by default Wow All right so I have a couple clips that I pulled and we can kind of get a strategy And off the bat I was surprised but then again
1:20:17 Not really, because like that's an interesting... if you want to go after it. We need to get the American public ramped up. You know? Like the Russia thing is over! No one no one's interested Putin bad I know he's not dead whatever It's Ukraine we don't care and it's great to have You know, to have a distant enemy. We can all hate Chinese! It's easy to hate them. They're stealing our data... they're sending spies across the border in military aids. They're bastards! Exactly it's very easy for us to hate the Chinese I know how Americans work and how we think but just easy that way
1:20:54 But how can we really hate China? Let's set a baseline goal for US policy in 2050, the traditional aim of opposing any other power. This is so this is the China talks podcast host exercising exclusive hegemonic control over Asia or the Pacific, or we can take yours slightly more ambitious of sustaining the operating system that the US has set up in Asia over the past 75 years. My little rubric for the three things the US needs to execute on is long-term economic growth maintaining alliance networks and not imploding domestically
1:21:32 And you sort of have a major war as a potential wild card there. Am I missing or what's missing in that schematic? So look, I think that's a good list. I would just add one thing to this if I can then I recognize that for people who think about power sometimes they don't like the intrusion of issues that are not traditional but in fact if we don't figure out how to consequentially deal with climate change, the effects of which are hitting us much earlier in a much more profound way that I think even some of the warriors thought. I don't think we'll be able to deal with some of these other challenges. So I think what I'd add to that probably are some transnational issues but at the top of that really would be climate change and
1:22:28 sea level rise, that means uncontrolled migration. That means changes in everything from crops to sea habitats. These are all at risk now much earlier than anticipated and I think In truth, we have been loathed. We try not to call out particular countries but China is going to have to do much more in this arena if we are to address the most significant elements of climate change over the course of the next period ahead." So he's... This is three months ago so this was- Who was that dud? That's Kurt Campbell! Oh my God, that guy has got an IQ of 80
1:23:15 He plays violin. Sure he does! Now, that was the longest clip I have luckily but i thought it was interesting that right off the bat he starts talking about climate change and I think they're going to try and use this and say hey it's one big world and China is screwing us with all their coal plants and we can...I think there's an opportunity to move that over to blaming China That's a real opportunity. And I normally would not have played this clip, mainly because I vetoed playing this douche but John Kerry said something very similar about Russia just the other day. I believe that Russia has the ability to be able to make enormous changes if it really wanted too. If Russia has the ability to wage war illegally
1:24:08 and invade another country, they ought to be able to find the effort to be responsible on the climate issue. And unfortunately because of the actions that Russia took in an unprovoked illegal war against another nation We have not been engaged in discussions with Russia, sadly. I say sadly because it's a loss for the world not to be able to have Russia acting constructively on this issue but we need every country including Russia. Russia is one of the largest emitters in the world if Russia wanted to show good faith
1:24:51 They could go out and announce what their reductions are going to be, and make a greater effort to reduce emissions now. And maybe that would open up the door for people to feel better about what Russia is choosing to do at this point in time. So we'll feel better about Russia in Ukraine as long as they're all in on climate change? I mean, these people are insane. So it wouldn't surprise me if climate change is a part of the strategy but TikTok is probably going to be a lot more effective now back to Kurt Campbell
1:25:27 And he has, you know, he's the expert. He is the expert on all things China. How do the Chinese view themselves on the world stage? I don't think that Chinese believe in any way that they have elements of decline in their system. I think what animates them is not only a sense of aggrievement at the highest level, the idea perversing decades or century of what they call humiliation but also a sense that China's time has come, that this remarkable accumulation of power and capacity now has to exert itself fully to a leading role on the global stage. I think in many respects they feel that they are unique and that can't be replicated The steps that they've taken internationally have been to provide capacities either technology or police services or whatever
1:26:20 at the behest of local authoritarians, whether it's in Africa or the Pacific or South Asia to try to prop up leaders that tend to be more flexible on issues that matter to China. So this tells me that they're also going to do some stuff with Africa because, you know, China is now big there. They're gonna be the real problem and at the head of the pack is Xi he's just as bad as Putin I think some of things we hear from people in China today suggests that the kind of information
1:27:05 And the people that President Xi gets information from is increasingly limited. And sometimes it's hard in the system currently to speak truth to power, and so we're seeing a repeat of history of the kind that we saw in the Maoist period where only certain kinds of leader, certain kinds of information makes it to the very top And so that does concern us, that you like very much for the people that you're engaging with to have a deep full understanding of the world in which they are operating. I think what we see in a variety places like Ukraine
1:27:48 We think China's calculus and decision-making has been informed by a number of things that are concerning. So they're also helping Ukraine, I'm telling you China is the new bad guy and the Indo Pacific is the region to worry about The dynamism of the global economy And I'm so sorry...I don't think we'll ever play clips from this guy again This guy is a clone of Kerry He has a different accent, but he's the slow talking... clone of Kerry. ...ponderous can't get to the point blah blah blah likes to hear his own voice
1:28:28 I had to edit so much just to get anything out of this, but i think it's worth the pain. All issues associated with what's important on the global stage are playing out in large part in the Indo-Pacific. I think that's a critical import and then you're going to want hopefully to see that the seeds of a continuing dominant important American role continues. And so I would say those are the things that you hope for and you worry that either the American body politic grows tired of those exertions or hit an environment in which China has been ambivalent to
1:29:13 to create mechanisms for the kinds of communications and crisis prevention that are necessary, I think to operate in this current arena. That somehow there is an accident or miscalculation that escalates unintentionally so there are lots of things to worry about but those are a couple." False flag incoming is what I'm thinking... And of course that would be Taiwan! But again Mr. Clone of Carrie is very slick when it comes to questions about Taiwan that you were kind enough served a lot of capacities Over a long period time one of the things he learned usually the hard way is Not to be too loquacious and answer a lot of hypotheticals associated with Taiwan. What's loquacious mean? Oh
1:30:06 I guess one of those words you kind of understand but can't just define. Let's look it up? Yeah, yeah. And anyone who says loquacious... Is an asshole! Sorry, timing. Dude perfect timing. Hey we'll be here all week everybody. That's that talkative loquacious means talkative pretty much. Yeah, I would simply say I think us policy is clear I think it is bipartisan. I think we are determined to maintain the status quo and peace and stability across the Taiwan Straits