2:38:16 They've gotten bird flu. They were just sick for a while, but they didn't die. So we have to talk at least a little bit about that Ohio disaster? Yes it is time to speak about that for sure We got an email from one of our producers saying that this is largely the responsibility of the railroad using these new techniques to keep all these cars on the road and computerized... Well its less people right? Less people Yeah, right. They want to go to a one-man crew they have a three man crew on this train But they're the computerization of the cars as they load them up or putting heavy cars in the back And light cars in the front which is a bad idea Well it just a computerization Or is that like an in between stage It seems
2:39:09 Well, he blames it on a series of things. But personnel shortage really... The problem is that personnel is part of it but... There's a term for it Precision scheduling railroads, precision scheduling railroading PSR. Yeah That's what at the heart of this according to our producer his entire notes in the show notes So but this particular disaster this idea of torching the whole thing like a crazy so they had a hazmat guy on one of the shows on Fox and
2:39:50 and I want to play this guy talking. This guy's name is Caggianio, and he was the chief of police someplace he was also a trainer and he's a specialist. And I thought this is little longer than I like for my clips but I think there's information in here that is interesting. These poor individuals through no fault of their own became victims of systemic failures within the transportation rail system And it manifested itself in this mushroom cloud that they had to experience in their town. One of the reasons why I made the comment about, you know we nuked a town with chemicals is because there was somebody from Darlington Pennsylvania who was videoing the cloud that had went over his property and you could see fallout coming out of the cloud going onto his property
2:40:40 And I'm looking at it and saying, you know... It reminds me of one of those apocalyptic shows where the nuclear fallout is coming out. And I thought about it and said well yeah we basically did nuke a whole town just to get a railroad going back in service Earlier on I got involved in this because news media were not being told the truth. Days into this, no train consist was available they didn't know what they had and that flies in the face of logic if you're going to mitigate a problem If your'e going to have your fire department and other responding teams take care of it You should know what the heck you've got
2:41:17 And it got to the point where they were showing me pictures of train cars, the local media. And I was identifying what was in based on UNID numbers or train car numbers And when they told me their plan, you know at that point you had a few cars burning. They had unmonitored hand lines there keeping the tankers cool and then I find out that they're pulling the unmonitored handlines keeping the tankers cool so thats just going to cause the tanker cars to heat up which they did Oh! So this is not the same as they blew them up No, it goes on they did blow them up. Oh okay but the thing that's interesting I thought this thing was already on fire as it was coming through because of the overheated bearings wasn't that how it started? One of the carriages was over heating and it caught the thing on fire but that doesn't mean you blow up everything no
2:42:12 But in researching this for the newsletter, because I wrote a little bit about it. I didn't realize that we have over 1,000 derailments a year down from 6,000 a year in 1975. Oh wow! And I'm when I was got that status and I didn't know there's that many derailments so i was thinking about comparing that to the flight safety if we had 1,000 plane wrecks a year yeah there'd be some action taking place but it seems nobody... Well this is all in train track country no one cares I guess
2:42:52 I just found it peculiar, but this is the second half where the guy explains blowing him up. So tell us more about the disciplinary cases that led to the chief's ouster and how- Is this NPR? No, I don't know what you played there. Because... Well that's oh, I'm sorry. I completely played the wrong thing Here we go. And then I was told, no they're going to detonate all these cars so that it doesn't happen. And I can tell you that I've been looking at rail incidents over and over because in Youngstown Ohio there's three rail lines running through our town So as a chief and instructor I trained my guys to anticipate stuff. And I would go case study after case study after case study
2:43:46 Coming up with different scenarios just to keep it going and I've never once in 39 years ever Heard of them blowing up train cars dumping all the chemicals into a trench and lighting them on fire. I was you know, I was dumbfounded And, you know when you lit this stuff on fire. You were creating phage genes. You're creating hydrogen chlorides. You created this plume and up in this plume was all the incomplete combustion products of everything that was there Stuff if you looked at the guys video stuff is precipitating down into people's property There's a lot of questions. You know in the answers came slow
2:44:22 And first you get, well now we found vinyl chlorides in the water. Well yeah no joke you're going to find that and it seemed like everything was drips and dribbles instead of one of the things I learned is you tell the truth, you tell it all, you tell it first then you tell them how your gonna solve the problem and none of that was forthcoming. Then I began to worry about what the end result with this was gonna be They had evacuated one mile and I was telling the media they better do like 1.5, 2 miles well subsequently after that they went to two miles and then within a few minutes they were bringing or few days are bringing everybody back And that was pretty much just in time To open up the rails and there is no testing There's got to be some plan going forward in this cleanup and recovery to test Huh