Episode 153 · Wednesday, 2 December 2009

350 Protests

A militarized West Point address sets the stage for a troop surge while whistleblowers and activists challenge the financial architecture of climate change and political mobilization.

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About this episode

Barack Obama delivered a high-stakes address at West Point outlining a troop surge in Afghanistan, a move critics labeled a militaristic lecture. The administration's strategy involves deploying 30,000 additional personnel while simultaneously signaling an 18-month exit timeline. This setting, devoid of traditional presidential fanfares, drew sharp comparisons to authoritarian aesthetics and sparked debate over the legality of targeting the Taliban.

U.S. Ambassador Louis Sussman sparked controversy by telling the BBC that American forces will remain in Pakistan indefinitely to ensure regional stability. Meanwhile, whistleblower Anita MonCrief testified before a House commission regarding systemic financial fraud within ACORN, alleging the organization used non-profit funds for partisan 2008 election efforts. In the corporate sector, Comcast moved to acquire NBC, a transition already impacting the editorial tone of personalities like Keith Olbermann. Overseas, Kim Jong-il initiated a drastic devaluation of North Korean currency, mirroring hyperinflationary crises seen in Zimbabwe.

Adam Curry and John C. Dvorak navigate technical hurdles with a new iPhone mixing interface while Executive Producer Todd Simmons provides a palindrome donation from Australia. The hosts highlight a bizarre Japanese news recreation of the Tiger Woods scandal and a Cosmopolitan guide suggesting reverse cowgirl as a preventative measure against Swine Flu. GI Chris reports from the front lines on the high-revenue Pizza Hut and Burger King franchises operating within Afghan war zones.


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CHAPTER 01 / 27 Discussion

Adam Curry and John C. Dvorak Open Episode 153

Adam Curry and John C. Dvorak open No Agenda episode 153 on December 2, 2009. Curry struggles with a new iPhone-based mixing interface, leading to several false starts and technical banter. The hosts establish their locations in New Jersey and Northern Silicon Valley while referencing historical figures like Nixon's secretary during the Watergate scandal.

adam curry· john c. dvorak· no agenda· gitmo nation· iphone· mixer

00:01 I hit it. Adam Curry, John C. Dvorak. It's December 2nd, 2009, time for your Gitmo Nation Media Assassination episode 153. This is no agenda. Turn down your speakers! I'm sorry. You know what? Let's do that again. I hit the wrong one. What did you do? These buttons are so small on my iPhone. I hit the wrong one. I didn't it was and I know you hate that one, so I'm sorry give me another hit it That's good for the show ten nine eight seven six five four three two one hit it Adam Curry John C. Devorah, it's December 2nd 2009 times you get my nation media assassination episode 153 This is no agenda I Can't seem to hit it

00:58 I'm sorry. Let me try again. This is lame. Adam Curry, John C. Dvorak. It's December 2nd, 2009. Time for your Gitmo Nation media assassination episode 153. This is no agenda. Coming... Turn down your spea- Are you still there? Why do we even start this show if you can't if the buttons are so small you can't hit the right ones? The problem this is using by the way ladies and gentlemen people isn't on the stream. This is his use of the iPhone to be like a mixer The problem is I'm using my left hand because I in only during this sequence Do I have to use my right hand to control the volume? Maybe I can do it this way hold on this might be a way to do it. Okay. I'll try it like this

01:53 I just like to see a movie of this. This is why people want to see the video. No, screw that. Adam Curry, John C. DeVore Act. It's December 2nd, 2009. Time for your Gitmo Nation Media Assassination Episode 153. This is no agenda. Watching all the other lame stream channels while you're glued to the Gitmo vision and coming to you from the Crackpot Command Center in the Garden State, Gitmo Nation Central in New Jersey. I'm Adam Curry. I keep thinking you're in Chicago. I'm John C. DeVorek here in Northern Silicon Valley. It's like I'm almost like what was Nixon's secretary's name who in Watergate twisted her arms 15 different ways to hit record and erase like 30 seconds. What was her name again? I can't remember.

CHAPTER 02 / 27 Discussion

Pittsburgh Travel Plans and Hockey Anecdote

A discussion regarding a planned road trip to Pittsburgh highlights concerns about airline reliability and red-eye flights. An anecdote follows about attending hockey games in West Virginia to see the Pittsburgh Penguins and the Philadelphia Flyers. The story concludes with a brief mention of a past acquaintance named Edie and the lack of romantic success at the games.

pittsburgh· west virginia· pittsburgh penguins· hockey· travel

02:43 That's kind of what it felt like doing that. I forgot my MIDI cable, so I'm relegated down to a control pad surface on the iPhone. Technically, very cool. Would be better if it was the iSlate. It's a little bit small. I would think. Hey John, how you doing? How you doing there in Jersey? Yeah, it's good. I'm not... I keep thinking you're in Chicago. No, man. No, no, no. It's... So I'm one of those trips, you know. You know what I have to do. Yeah. Yeah. So, tomorrow morning I'm driving to Pittsburgh because I didn't want to take... I don't trust taking a red-eye flying into Pittsburgh if you have a meeting that same day because nine times out of ten... It's Pittsburgh? You're going to Pittsburgh? Yeah, near Pittsburgh. Yeah. Okay. They have companies there, you know. Pretty big ones. I heard that. They have nice bridges. I like that town. Pittsburgh? You know, when I went to school in West Virginia, we sometimes would drive to go see... What is it? The Flyers?

03:45 The Pittsburgh Penguins. I'm sorry, the Flyers, the Penguins. Yeah, we'd go drive to see them play. It was like three and a half hours. I don't know what we were watching. I can't see you watching hockey. Well, she was cute, and she liked hockey. What was her name? Edie. Did you show her your stick? Edie. No, I never got to show her my stick. I think she might have been gay. No? You didn't get a puck? Zero puckage. You're listening to NOA Agenda, episode 153, and this episode's executive producer is... As a matter of fact, it happens to be yet again another Australian, our old friend Todd Simmons, S-Y-M-M-O-N-S, from 8 Mile Plains. He's given before, he's working on a

CHAPTER 03 / 27 Discussion

Executive Producer Todd Simmons and Palindrome Donation

Todd Simmons from Queensland, Australia, is credited as the executive producer for this episode. He contributed a palindrome donation of $220.22. The hosts acknowledge his support and confirm his title is codified in the show notes and the program's history.

todd simmons· queensland· australia· executive producer· palindrome

04:28 on a big donation I guess, Queensland, Australia $220.22, it's a palindrome. Fantastic, thank you very much Todd. You are the official executive producer of this episode of No Agenda. You can put it on your resume. It is codified in the show notes and in this very program and it's the real deal. And you can take it to the bank. Yes you can. You can take all that to the bank. We highly appreciate it. Palindrome, executive producer. So, we might as well start with the top news story, whether we like it or not. Well, there's a couple of them, but I guess that would be the president's speech. Yeah, the best description of it was from Rush Limbaugh, I think. He called it a wet noodle.

CHAPTER 04 / 27 Discussion

Barack Obama West Point Speech Analysis

Barack Obama delivered a speech at West Point regarding the war in Afghanistan, which critics described as a "wet noodle" or a lecture rather than a speech. The hosts critique the militaristic setting, comparing the visuals and music to North Korean or fascist aesthetics. They note the absence of "Hail to the Chief" in favor of a military cadence and express annoyance that the speech distracted from Tiger Woods news coverage.

barack obama· west point· rush limbaugh· c-span· militarism

05:25 It was really weird. So I couldn't see it live because I was at the office, of course it was on at 5 o'clock. I guess I could have caught it somewhere else because it turns out that there were stations, even CNN I think replayed it, or probably that's exactly why they did. I had a couple questions. So first of all, the setting was weird, West Point. Um, you know, which is, it's like, okay, could it be any clearer what you're trying to do here by going to West Point? You know. Yeah. But, but what was the music they played? Like, I know at the end they played like the halls of Montezuma.

06:05 Did you hear that? I don't know, the Halls of Montezuma as far as I know is a marine song. Well, I was watching C-SPAN and I'm pretty sure it was the Raw Feed, so that's what they were playing there on site. Isn't that the one that goes... Isn't that Halls of Montezuma? I think it is, yeah. But they started off with... Well, hold on a second, this is really important, John, because there was no Hail to the Chief There was this opening cadence, you could have put a Chinese guy, you could have put Kim Jong Il there and it could not have been more militaristic. If that was any Asian leader we would have been like, look at these guys man, he's got all these soldiers there and he's got his military marching music and stuff. I found that to be surreal.

06:54 Well not only that, I agree with that. And it also had a fascist Nazi Germany look. Because the size of this auditorium... It was huge. What does the thing hold? 100,000 people inside? Yeah, it was huge. It was huge. Yeah, it was. It was huge. And just the whole thing, it just, it really... I don't know, I saw that and I was like, that's just weird. That's the kind of stuff, all we needed was these guys goose stepping, looking to the right, you know, and passing the President by. Now you're Kim Jong-il, but if George Bush would have given a speech in that environment, he would have just been slaughtered. Well, at least he would have had a bomber jacket on or something. With like, Army on the back.

07:37 I'm hoody. Army hoody. Alright, so I made a couple notes. I'd love to, you know, and by the way, I'm really annoyed with the President's speech because it's totally taken away from the full-time Tiger Woods coverage. You know, I just can't get my Tiger Woods fix. We'll get back to that. I need more information on Tiger Woods. There's not enough, not enough. Too much Obama talk going on. So go ahead, let's hear what you have to say. Well, I was listening to it and I thought it was functional, but as the critics came out on the various shows, I started to like it less and less because I was listening to him. And they pointed out that he's gone back to kind of his old-fashioned provisorial style of speaking. It's more of a lecture than it was a speech.

CHAPTER 05 / 27 Discussion

Afghanistan Strategy and Shadowy Networks Claim

The president's rationale for remaining in Afghanistan is questioned, specifically his mention of "shadowy networks" and the claim that the U.S. was attacked from Afghanistan despite the hijackers' nationalities. The discussion explores the legality of targeting the Taliban if Al-Qaeda's presence is minimal. Additionally, Obama's mention of nuclear disarmament is linked to his Nobel Peace Prize win and viewed as saber-rattling toward Iran.

afghanistan· al-qaeda· taliban· shadowy networks· nobel peace prize

08:27 You know, and it was meaningless. He didn't really say anything and he said, let me be clear way too well. I heard him say at least three times. I counted three times. Let me be clear. His thing about Vietnam was lame. He says it depends upon the false reading of history, which I think is bogus. You know what he said? He said something interesting. He talked about shadowy networks. I was like, what the hell is that? What's a shadowy network? I don't know. Is that MSNBC is a shadowy network or? Well, it actually, yeah. When you talk that, that was, I was like, okay, who's buying that? You know, we have to be aware of shadowy networks. He also says we were attacked from Afghanistan. So let me ask him how many Afghanis were in those airplanes that hit the World Trade Center?

09:13 Yeah, and besides that, you know, it's like the reason, so he was very clear. He said the reason why, because this was, you know, there were a couple things I was looking out for. The reason why we're in Afghanistan is because we declared war against Al-Qaeda. which of course is made up by the CIA, but it doesn't matter, against Al-Qaeda and anyone who harbors them. But seeing as, you know, there's like, by their own admission, the administration, there's only a hundred Al-Qaeda left, the Taliban is not harboring any more Al-Qaeda. So isn't that illegal? Isn't that like, now we're not supposed to go after them? It doesn't make any sense to me. He did get something into the speech that nobody picked up on. About Pakistan?

09:58 know about nuclear disarmament. Yeah, no, I picked up on that. I was like, okay, to me that was more a saber rattling towards Iran more than anything. Maybe. But I think the reason he got the Nobel Peace Prize is because he's a disarmament person. And so he had to throw that in, I guess, I don't know. I think it's crazy. The whole thing, I mean, the fact is us having this cache of nukes has been an unbelievably, I mean, it was considered dangerous, but it's been a deterrent.

10:36 That we have them, you mean? Yeah. Yeah, that's the whole point. The world can't have them. Only we can have them. No one else can have them. The Russians have them and, you know... So let me just... Let me ask a couple questions here. There's a couple of things that I noticed. Oh, by the way, when it comes... Before the militaristic opening music, the Muzak was Stevie Wonder. What's it, bring on your love with a dozen roses. I'm pretty sure since it was C-SPAN that's what was actually playing in the auditorium. They're playing Stevie Wonder music. The whole thing was just like, whoa, that's really twisted. So what he didn't explain and what I don't really understand

CHAPTER 06 / 27 Discussion

Troop Surge Logistics and West Point Staging

The decision to send 30,000 troops instead of the requested 40,000 is analyzed as a potential political setup for the next election cycle. The hosts suggest the 18-month exit strategy is a farce driven by the military-industrial complex. They further claim the ending of the West Point speech was staged, with cadets instructed to rush the stage for photo opportunities.

troop surge· military-industrial complex· west point· cadets· staged events

11:25 is he's sending 30,000 troops over where 40,000 were requested. What is the point? Why not just send 40? Well, I think he should have sent 45. Yeah. Because 45 gives him an exit strategy. Because they want 40, he gives them 45, and the thing keeps falling apart, and now he can say, hey, I gave you 45, you wanted 40, I gave you more than you wanted, and you still can't do this job? the way he's done it now, he's, well, you didn't give us enough men. So it's almost like a setup to keep this war going. And it's also, you know, up until, for the next three years. So, you know, exactly four years when it's time for re-election, then one of two things can happen. Most likely he won't be a two-term president and the next guy can come in and can up it. You know, this is what they always do. It doesn't matter who's in there. They're all a part of the military-industrial complex. Well, we'll see. He also said that he prohibited torture

12:24 which I thought was a blatant lie. He lumped in the UN, NATO and the World Bank all in one breath there, which was interesting because of course we need global security and we need to be advancing frontiers of human liberty. And at the very end there, just to show you how staged this thing is, At the very end, all these cadets, they rush the stage. I mean, come on, what is that? These are trained military men and women. They will sit and not move until they're told to move. So there must have been someone saying, okay, here's the book.

13:04 You 30 guys, you run down to the stage when he's done and go start shaking his hand and taking pictures with him and rocking out. Oh yeah, it's like the Leno show. Yeah, exactly. Except Leno does it at the beginning and he did it at the end. It was contrived, completely contrived. I was just looking at it going like, wow, we're so hypnotized. We're so git mode. It was... Alright. Now over in... So the speech was... So this was a disappointing news, point of news. Yeah, it was not there was no news that already leaked out that he was going to send less than a 40,000 and he didn't actually say what winning would be he said well we're going to be out of there in 18 months which you got condemned for by the Republicans who want to stay forever apparently

CHAPTER 07 / 27 Discussion

GI Chris Email on Kill Boxes and War Profiteering

An email from an anonymous soldier in Afghanistan, referred to as GI Chris, describes the use of "kill boxes" for mortar retaliation. The correspondence details the presence of American fast-food franchises like Pizza Hut and Burger King in war zones. The high revenue of these franchises is cited as evidence of corporate war profiteering.

afghanistan· kill box· pizza hut· burger king· war profiteering

13:54 Well, no, the meme I heard was, oh yeah, why don't you just tell the enemy when we're leaving, then they can just wait. It's like, none of this makes sense. Being there makes no sense. Well, another thing that doesn't make sense that actually my son brought up, which is why are we telling the enemy anything, including troop movement, how many people we're sending? Shouldn't the whole thing be a mystery? Well, yeah, of course it should. But the whole thing is a farce. It's all about money. I received a couple of, and I want to come back to this because there was something very interesting that was mentioned on the BBC Breakfast show, I have a sound clip. I've been receiving emails from enlisted men over in Afghanistan and of course none of them want to be known by name. I'm even wondering, I think they're even taking a risk by actually sending me email. So this is from, I'll just call him GI Chris.

14:56 And he refers back to, I guess I made a mistake about, I said it was a toolbox but it was a kill box that the Dutch were using to just lob stuff into and he goes into great detail explaining how that works. It's basically around the base you just set up all these places where people are likely to be shooting mortars from. and uh... and that's kind of your target so if something's incoming you just blow the shit out of the kill box and then you're usually going to kill someone probably civilians but at least you know that's the general direction because all the right of these bases are in the middle of except in baghdad you know just vast wasteland uh... but he has a few side notes he said there is a reason that we never did things like peel potatoes and fill sandbags which of course is what we'd kinda still think is is what's happening but it's not uh...

15:43 He says, we never had a Pizza Hut in the green zone, but we did get a tiny little pizza in, in a little trailer that was the best thing to happen to us in almost a year of fighting. I can still remember smelling that pizza on the day they opened from over a mile away, immediately dropped everything to go over and get five large pizzas for me and my scouts. In 2003, the Burger King at the Baghdad airport was in the top five highest grossing franchises in the entire chain. Wow Soldiers would show up from all over the country to get it Top and so I mean this is war these are the companies that are just warmongering if you want to you know not participate then please Don't go to Starbucks. Don't go to Burger King. Don't go to Pizza Hut because it's just Profiteering is actually what it is war profiteering so the BBC breakfast show and this will add a little bit of

CHAPTER 08 / 27 Discussion

Ambassador Sussman and Pakistan Long-Term Presence

U.S. Ambassador to London Louis Sussman stated on BBC Breakfast that the United States is in Pakistan for the long term to ensure government stability and defeat the Taliban. Despite the interviewer's attempt to correct him to "Afghanistan," Sussman doubled down on Pakistan. The hosts speculate this presence is actually about securing the Turkmenistan pipeline and regional nuclear assets.

louis sussman· pakistan· bbc breakfast· taliban· turkmenistan pipeline

16:40 A little bit of background on exactly what's going on. What our president didn't tell us, we have Ambassador Sussman, who is the US ambassador to London, and he drops the following bombshell on the BBC breakfast show. Regarding Pakistan they even ask him to make sure they heard it correctly listen to what he said. What she emphasized Our position in Pakistan. We are in Pakistan for the long term We are there to be sure they have a stable government and we're there to help them defeat the Taliban You when you say you meant Afghanistan rather than saying we're in Pakistan for the long term I said we are in Pakistan for the long term. Okay, just be clear about that.

17:25 Could you hear that John? Yeah. So he says we're in Pakistan. What the hell is that all about? Because that's what it's really all about. He totally just blows the whole cover right there. And the presenter even says you mean Afghanistan. No, Pakistan. Yeah, I heard that. I heard the thing. But who is this guy again? This is the US ambassador in London. And you say, no, no, no, we're in Pakistan. We're in there for the long haul. Don't forget that they've got this Turkmenistan pipeline that has to go through. That's really what this is about. We have to get those nukes. We've got to bring the pipeline in. And of course, when you have a pipeline, you can push oil through it or you could just reverse that and you could just have people walking next to the pipeline, which would be completely secured, carrying big bags of poppies.

CHAPTER 09 / 27 Discussion

White House State Dinner Gate Crashers Distraction

Tareq and Michaele Salahi allegedly crashed a White House state dinner for the Prime Minister of India. The hosts suggest the event was a staged distraction orchestrated by NBC and General Electric to divert attention from foreign policy in Pakistan. They point to the couple's audition for "Real Housewives of Washington D.C." and their announcement at the dinner as evidence of a publicity stunt.

tareq salahi· michaele salahi· bravo· nbc· state dinner

18:12 You know, they could put the poppies in a pig and run it through the pipeline. Yeah, that's another thing they could do. They could. So meanwhile, while the whole country is engrossed in the real news, the president's speech, and of course, let's not forget the White House crashers, which I have a theory about that. Oh yes, we want to do it. Why don't we move to that topic? We're gonna get nowhere here with this speech. It sucked. Yeah, there was no good. I agree. So these White House crashes, so all of a sudden, and things go very, very fast these days, but so these people crash the White House. It was NBC who broke the story. They are, apparently the woman is auditioning for Real Housewives of Washington DC on Bravo. Do you know who owns Bravo, John?

19:10 Well let me think, it would probably be the same network that is highlighting this whole thing. Yeah, so that's NBC slash General Electric. Now of course Jeffrey Immelt is big buddies, he's on the economic team with the president. You know, this was clearly a distraction. Whatever you do, let's not talk about what actually went on having the Prime Minister of India over, having a state dinner as we are now encircling Pakistan. So we've got Pakistan on all sides. Let's not talk about that. No, no, please, Jeff, can you do something for me? Yeah, can you create a little distraction there? Yeah, no problem. I got it covered.

19:52 And so it's all been NBC. The next morning they show up on NBC this morning, on the morning show, to say, oh no, no, no, we were actually invited. And the thing that really killed me is that, actually I should probably see if I can get that audio for you, I have it somewhere. They were announced at the dinner. So they walk in and they announce their names. So what is that? You're not on the guest list yet your name gets announced? Yeah, how does that work? It's crazy. No, it's obviously another publicity stunt scam, foisted on the American public. We have to deal with this stuff apparently constantly. It gets a bunch of attention, you know, and everybody's all worked up about it, and you guys are defending themselves with these memos, supposedly, and it'll blow over and that'll be the end of it. It'll be a misunderstanding.

20:44 and I know Obama was feigning... he was irked. Oh, did he actually respond? I didn't see any response from him. Yeah, there was some report that he was very upset about this. Oh, please. It's just, you know, the more I witness all of this, the more I'm like, it's unbelievable. They really have no shame at this point. They will do anything to distract the American public and the world stage from what is really going on. I'm sure that this whole Tiger Woods thing, I just haven't set my mind to it, but I'm sure that that's all some setup as well. Whatever you do, don't talk about what's going on. I flipped on the news in this hotel room. Every single channel is Tiger Woods.

CHAPTER 10 / 27 Discussion

Tiger Woods Media Coverage and Japanese Recreations

Media coverage of Tiger Woods focuses on allegations of infidelity and leaked text messages. The hosts discuss how Woods' controlled image is crumbling as more women come forward. They highlight a Japanese news recreation of the incident involving his wife and a golf club, comparing the animation style to the "Legend of Zelda."

tiger woods· ktla· text messages· japan· golf

21:28 I love that I was watching this last night. You want to play the real news? I'll talk about the Tiger Woods thing. Yeah. Oh, you get your little iPhone. You're looking for the button. You know what? I'm so clueless, John. I have no, I don't even know where it is because you know, here it is. This is really not working, but we'll just have to live with it. Okay. Yes. Real news, John, what you got going on? So anyway, KTLA had some of the best coverage of this. And they had apparently, and this isn't getting covered ever, this being very controlled, of course Woods has always been a kind of a control freak about his media and his team Tiger, you have to be a member of a club to follow him around, even say hello. But it turns out that a bunch of women are now coming out of the woodwork.

22:29 with even better stuff. One of them was just actually really a doll and she apparently had hooked up with Tiger. The problem he does, he's like a lot of people that are not in the tech scene and they do stupid things like text messaging. Send lots of emails and send text messages. To people who receive the text messages because it's a text message from a famous person. And leave voicemails. Why are we even talking about this? Stop. I can't handle it. Stop. Please stop so one more thing though, so the Japanese are picked up on this story and there it's all over their news too Because the Japanese of course are golf golfers. Yeah, so they so some company has done a bunch of recreations of what probably happened and what he said happened and then what did happen and they and it's not as funny because they have this these models these kind of looks like you're watching the Legend of Zelda and

23:24 and the wife goes after him and scratches his face and then picks up a golf club and starts swinging it at him. Is this on our satellite? Is this a Japanese channel you can receive? No, this has been passing, this has been all over the networks by the, it'll be on YouTube shortly, this video. It's quite funny. You're breaking up big time, John. I'm not going to talk about it anymore. You're really breaking up. Thank goodness because it was all about Tiger Woods, but you're breaking up. No, you're breaking up too. Well, then someone's doing something over there. No, it's just a crappy connection you've got there in Jersey. You know what? This is what we're all about. Our formula is this.

CHAPTER 11 / 27 Discussion

The 350 Movement and Left-Wing Cap and Trade Protests

The 350 movement and other left-leaning groups are protesting against cap and trade policies, viewing them as a corporate scam. Protests occurred in San Francisco on November 30th, coinciding with the anniversary of the WTO protests in Seattle. The hosts note that while the media covers "Tea Bag" protests, these left-wing environmental protests are largely ignored by mainstream news.

350 movement· cap and trade· copenhagen· democracy now· climate justice

24:04 We go out we hit people in the mouth we can't get a Skype connection up for shit, but we hit people in the mouth You still there? Yeah, okay, so Let's talk about something nobody's talking about No Okay, can you hear me? Yeah? I can hear you the 350 movement Wow I don't even know what this is So we're watching television and we've decided to watch Democracy Now and a bunch of other left-leaning news shows. And so they're talking about apparently, I didn't realize that this was going on, but this is kind of the anniversary of the WTO protests up in Seattle. And these same people, these anarchists that were mowing and growing about the World Trade Organization... Who by the way, you know, I used to think those guys were boneheads, but I think they actually were right.

24:57 I agree. Totally. Now, there are the shots. John, let's just, let's redo the Skype connection, because this is getting ridiculous. It really sucks. I'll, um, I'm going to hang up. You want me to hit it? Yeah, you hit it, but you call me back, okay? Alright. Alright. There he goes. Let's see if we can get this reconnected. Yeah, how's that? You there? Yeah. Can you hear me? It's even worse. Can you hear me, though? No, he can't hear me. Hold on a second. Where'd he go?

25:35 Hello yes, hello. Ah you bitch don't hang up on me like that. It's wrong But that no okay now that should be better all right Somewhat better so the 350 movement if you need a cut in I'm not gonna edit that out. That's awesome when it screws off. It makes it so realistic So anyway, the far left is adamant about cap and trade. Adamant. They think it's the biggest scam ever.

26:17 And there's a huge movement afoot. They're going to be protesting in Copenhagen. They've already had a series of protests on November 30th in San Francisco. 25 people were arrested. Thousands were protesting. Did you read about that in the news at all? Wait a minute, the left is protesting cap and trade? Big time. Oh, fantastic. This is great. We had to conclude that the only people for cap and trade is the media. Well, you know, it's funny you say that, John, because I, you know, in following all of this Climategate stuff, We Are Chained Chicago, did you hear what, you didn't see, you didn't read this in the media either or see it on television. They went to an Al Gore book signing, he has his new book out, which is basically, now that I've tricked you into believing all this bullshit, here's how we go about implementing cap and trade. I think that's the exact title of the book actually.

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Al Gore and the Climate Exchange Financial Interests

Al Gore is linked to the financial infrastructure of carbon credit trading through his firm, Generation Investment Management. The Chicago Climate Exchange and the European Climate Exchange are identified as the primary entities licensed to trade these credits. The hosts detail the involvement of former Goldman Sachs executives in managing these climate-focused investment partnerships.

al gore· carbon credits· chicago climate exchange· goldman sachs· generation investment management

27:11 Wow. Not really. And so, you know, I did a little bit of research. because we keep saying it that, oh, you know, Al Gore, he's invested in all this stuff. So cap and trade, just to recap, the whole idea is that this new fake money will be created called carbon credits, and they actually have a value now I think of like $22 in the US per metric ton or whatever the unit is. And if you want to pollute more than you're allowed to once this law is passed, if it does pass,

27:48 then you will be able to trade carbon credits, which essentially is just another form of tax in a way, but you'll be able to trade that with other companies and that's going to be a very lively monetary unit, which of course will have derivatives on it in the future. Actually, it is a future. And there's only one company that is licensed to trade carbon credits. Were you aware of that, John? Only one company? No, I wasn't. Okay, and it is the Climate Exchange PLC and they operate the European Climate Exchange, the ECX. They operate the Chicago Climate Futures Exchange, bookmark that, I'm going to get back to that in a second, and the Chicago Climate Exchange is the futures and the regular exchange.

28:40 And they are the only, as per their website, they are the only company who has been certified to trade in these carbon credits. So I'm looking around at the website and then you go look at company information. I'm actually doing it right now. You can find them at climateexchangeplc.com and it's owned by this guy named Richard Sandor. He's the chairman. And so you have, let me just find it here, I think it's under reports. Oh no, wait a minute, it's the top 10 shareholders. And the top 10 shareholders are Invesco Asset Management Limited with 29.5%.

29:28 Then you have the insiders, the directors, of course are not and related, not all listed on the site, 18.94%. And in the top 10 we have Generation Investment Management, LLP. And they also own a nice little chunk of this exchange. And then you go to generationim.com, that is Generation Investment, LLC. And here it is, overview. Generation is an independent private owner managed partnership with offices in London and New York. The firm was co-founded in 2004 by Al Gore and David Blood. And guess who's managing this whole thing for them? A guy from Goldman Sachs. There's like 10 Goldman Sachs guys in on this deal.

CHAPTER 13 / 27 Discussion

Barack Obama's Early Involvement in Carbon Trading

Before his presidency, Barack Obama served on the board of the Joyce Foundation, which provided grants to launch the Chicago Climate Exchange. The hosts argue this shows he was involved in the cap and trade "scam" from its inception. A tangent follows regarding Verizon's report on the FBI requesting 8 million GPS pings, suggesting celebrity scandals like Tiger Woods' are used to mask such surveillance.

barack obama· joyce foundation· chicago climate exchange· verizon· fbi

30:18 Yeah, well that's what these 350 people are saying. They're saying the whole thing's a scam. I mean, they don't feel that the climate change data is bogus or that the thing is rigged, but they do get the part that this cap and trade thing is a joke. Let me give you one more little data point, John, before you continue. Years ago, President Obama, before he was president, helped fund the carbon program while he was on the board of the Chicago charity the Chicago-based charity. He helped fund the carbon trading exchange that is now going to play a critical role in the cap and trade.

30:58 program. The charity was the Joyce Foundation. He was on the board of directors and they gave over a million dollars in two separate grants that were quote instrumental in developing and launching the privately owned Chicago Climate Exchange which I just mentioned which now calls itself North America's only cap-and-trade system for all six greenhouse gases with global affiliates and projects worldwide. He was in on the scam from the get-go. from the very beginning and so now it's unfolding before our very eyes and they are doing everything including throwing Tiger Woods under the bus which is not too hard to imagine how they did that because as we've learned now from reports everywhere on the internet Tiger Woods probably was using Verizon because it turns out Verizon published a report and said hey or actually in the testimony said well you know the

31:53 The FBI has asked us for 8 million GPS coordinate pings. We can't keep up with the demand. Now it doesn't mean that they've been tracking 8 million people, but 8 million different coordinates of cell phones. I'm sure that they have a warrant for every single one of those, if they're using the same printing press the Treasury uses. This is crazy. I guarantee you, they were like, oh dude, we gotta screw someone. Let's think, who's a celebrity? Hey, I hear that Tiger Woods is boning all kinds of chicks. Yeah, let's go get some voicemails and some text messages. Yeah. Because of course those slip out all of a sudden. Well, somebody did sell that information to the National Enquirer. Of course.

CHAPTER 14 / 27 Discussion

Google-Washing the 350 Movement and Al Gore Confrontation

The 350 movement is reportedly being "Google-washed," with news results suppressed despite significant web and video activity. A video from "We Are Change Chicago" shows activists confronting Al Gore at a book signing regarding the IPCC and scientific dissent. The hosts predict significant civil unrest and riots during the upcoming Copenhagen climate summit.

350.org· google-washing· al gore· climate action· copenhagen

32:40 But I hate to say it, President Obama is just dirty on his background. He's freaking dirty. He helps set up the climate change exchange. Go ahead. So the organization that is kind of behind the protests that are going to take place by the far left is climate justice. And if you start looking at climatejustice.org or try to find them, you're going to find a bunch of bogus sites using the same names and they've been Google-washing these guys to push them way down in the numbers. and then if you also look at something the 350 movement which is has to do with the collecting 350 bucks or $3.50 or whatever kind of donations which is 350.org the key to this knowing that this is actually a huge movement and they had a whole slew of protests on November 30th that were not reported by the media at all

33:31 They report the T-Bag stuff, but they wouldn't report these guys. So go to Google and type in 350 movement. Hit the button that says News and see how many references there are. Then hit the button that says Web and see how many references there are. There are virtually zero news stories. Zero. And it's all over the web. Okay, I'm looking at 350 movement on Google. Top hit South Africa to treat all HIV positive babies. What have I got here? 300-350 shows civil society for climate justice. That's a real one, but that's not under news is it? Yeah, that's under news. Okay, well that's the only story. That's from the ecologist, so I'm sure that's not a huge thing.

34:20 Wow. But if you go to web and click on that. I'm going to click on web here. Top of the list, 350.org, 350 movement, video results for 350. Wow. Lots of videos. Wow. And thanks for turning me on to this, John. I'm going to put that in the show notes right away. I had never even heard of it. That's of course because I really don't watch mainstream media. I really, I try to stay away as bad for my health. Well, we didn't get it on mainstream. It was not on mainstream media. It was on the alternative crazy media. Wow, International Day of Climate Action. Wow, that's amazing. This is really good. Not covered by anybody. They refuse to cover it. They're going to keep shoving this crap down the public's throat, the old, whatever the, you know, the Al Gore agenda. Unbelievable. So I told you that

35:10 You got to see that video of the we are chained Chicago people just going up to gore and while he's signing books And then there's like hey, are you aware that? 30,000 scientists don't believe the hype from the IPCC and then immediately security like you know jumps on him And they keep coming and it's like one after another they don't stop until finally he speeds off in his SUV which noticeably is not a hybrid Belching smoke yeah All right, well since we're not coming in loud and clear unfortunately you want to play some clips? Yeah, could I start with a clip? Yeah, go. Okay, so I'm just looking for the media assassination part. Like what else was going on while the president was speaking and while we're, you know, there's arguably there's real news going on. And so I flip over to C-SPAN and I hear this

CHAPTER 15 / 27 Discussion

Anita MonCrief Testimony on ACORN Fraud

Whistleblower Anita MonCrief provided testimony to the House Republican Commission regarding financial fraud and political bias within ACORN. She alleged that ACORN used non-profit funds for partisan political campaigns and voter registration drives aimed at the 2008 election. MonCrief characterized the organization's focus on the poor as a "big business" designed to exploit them for political gain.

acorn· anita moncrief· voter registration· fraud· house republican commission

36:16 this entire testimony about Acorn, which of course we kind of lost sight of Acorn. There was that big brouhaha for a while about the guy and the girl who went in. They got all this advice on how to set up essentially their brothel. And I guess only Fox really did anything with that. It's like, whatever. So that just kind of slid off their back, right? Are you still with me, John? I only got three words out of that entire three sentences. That really sucks. I got something about slid off their backs. Okay, so I'm talking about acorn. Okay. Okay, so

37:00 acorn we know that we know that they uh... that you know that that there's something amiss with that outfit but there's testimony going on in the uh... that the highest the house republican commission on possible fraud of with acorn regarding their financial status et cetera and there's a whistleblower called anita mon creed for your heard of her anita mon creed no never no no so let me play it's a it's a couple minutes but it's really worth listening to as she just unfolds and explains exactly what's been going on how she's been threatened trying to bring this this bogus organization to light which of course are completely political and what the whole agenda has been for the past two and a half years okay uh... last question then the various corporations the affiliates around the country what you saw in the way of non-profit money uh... being

37:52 being being used for political activities did you see those in other affiliates from your position yes i did i saw them and a corn institute a i s j the acorn institute from star americans to do for social justice as well as some of the other uh... political entities like working families party they were all considered to be under the ACORN umbrella. All of the money went into CCI and was dispersed out for the political purposes. Most of the money was not to help people, it was to run a political campaign and it was an ongoing political campaign. Even during non-election years, ACORN was still ramping up for the next voter registration drive or the next big push.

38:36 until 2008 which they considered to be the big one, the once in a generation opportunity as they called it. Did you hear that, John? Yeah. you know and and uh... i put the link in the show notes i want to play the next week peace i put a link in the show notes but you have to watch this entire testimony because this woman is taking she's really late at all out there she's saying oh you know that they basically they were at that were paid for to get votes even though if even though the uh... uh... and this of course was an accusation that was kind of glossed over even though the the registrations were you know were real because they were paid with a quota

CHAPTER 16 / 27 Discussion

ACORN Political Ties and New York Times Suppression

Anita MonCrief claimed in her testimony that the New York Times killed a story about ACORN's fraud and its ties to the Obama campaign before the 2008 election. She described being targeted by the organization after attempting to expose their internal donor lists and planning meetings. The hosts emphasize that ACORN treats poverty as a lucrative industry while abandoning the people they claim to help.

acorn· barack obama· new york times· anita moncrief· whistleblower

39:16 And this was all about the big one, the once in a lifetime opportunity. We're going to go put some real change into this country. Now let's do the final question. Thank you. Mr. Smith, thank you for your indulgence on a little extra time. You're welcome. Thank you, Mr. Issa. Mr. Issa, Ms. Moncrief, let me ask you one quick question. And that is, given what you saw, the politicalization of ACORN and Project Boat, in which you knew to be a misuse of funds and you knew that Project Vote was used for election reasons that were wrong.

39:54 What made you decide to come forward? You could have resigned, you could have not said anything, you could have kept quiet. What made you want to go public? So of course, this woman is a true patriot because she's really taking a lot of risk by going out there and saying, hey, these guys are bogus. You can still hear this, John? I'm so pissed off about this connection. You're with me? Yeah, she can get shot. Well, not just once, but she could get... to being sent to jail for things that Acorn was encouraging and a lot of times they were targeting people that didn't have the best education, that didn't have a lot of resources and these were the people that they were offering up like sacrificial lambs. At the time he told me that I needed to find other employment because I had just had a baby so I didn't do it in 2007.

41:03 In 2008, I realized that I only had one opportunity to come out there and tell this real story because I knew what their plan was. I was at the planning meeting about what was going to happen with President Obama. I had received the donor list. I had received calls from the Obama administration. So I knew what was going to happen if he was elected, that ACORN would not be like they are now. They're basically untouchable. Things are kind of hitting them, but they're sliding off. So I tried to tell this story before the election and the New York Times killed it. You hear that? The New York Times killed it because, gee, why would the New York Times report on any huge fraud? No, no, no. Let's just kill that one because we need to get this president elected. After the election, I've still been trying to tell it because it's important. It's

41:48 They're making money off the poor. Poverty is big business for Acorn, and it's time to let the poor people stand up instead of them standing on their backs. There you go. So the way this outfit works, which our president is, you know, and I don't want this to be the anti-Obama show, but I can't help it. It's like, hello, here's this huge bucket full of information, which of course you won't hear about this anywhere else. I mean, I literally sat through two and a half hours of testimony with my mouth, my jaw in my crotch. Just drop this again. What what committee was this? Where was this? This is the House Republican Commission So this was in Capitol Hill where they are literally Receiving testimony she has four lawyers because there's you know She had access to payroll data and all kinds of stuff and acorn is suing the shit out of her. I

42:42 And it's link in the show notes you can see the entire testimony on cspan.org. It's just outrageous what they've been doing. And so this is an organization that's supposed to help poor people. Instead, they're getting, they're riling them up, getting to go protest and get arrested and then like screw you, well you're arrested. We're not going to bail you out. Just screw it. Your usefulness is now is over. And as she said, literally, poor people is big business to Acorn. Big business. Wow. So I want to let you get to your clips in a second. But just to show you how arrogant these people are, how arrogant. Something else you definitely need to watch. Unfortunately, C-SPAN only shows the Monday press briefings with Herr Goebbels Gibbs, Robert Gibbs, who is the White House spokesman. And he gets a question.

CHAPTER 17 / 27 Discussion

Robert Gibbs on Climategate and Copenhagen Deals

White House Press Secretary Robert Gibbs dismissed the "Climategate" hacked email controversy during a press briefing, asserting that the science of climate change is no longer in dispute. He emphasized that President Obama's early arrival in Copenhagen is intended to "seal the deal" on international climate agreements. The hosts critique Gibbs' dismissive attitude toward the thousands of scientists who question the consensus.

robert gibbs· climategate· copenhagen· global warming· white house

43:37 a really good question. So first of all, the whole thing is about how did these people get in? How did these party gate crashers get in? It's like no one gives a shit about that, but that's all the press seems to worry about. Then some old dude who's up front, who by the way gets slammed by Robert Gibbs for being old, or actually by one of his colleagues, he finally comes out with a climate gate question, which is really good. And then still another reporter tries to bring it back to the gate crashes, but he does get in not only his climate gate question, which you'll laugh when you hear Gibbs's answer, but he also exposes how arrogant these people are. Listen to this.

44:17 to be a good idea for the President to arrive near the beginning of the climate talks negotiations as opposed to the end when the ultimate deal is going to be struck. And secondarily, does the White House have any evaluation or comment on this controversy of the hacked emails that suggest that some of the underlying science So this is actually, this is not the old guy yet, but this is someone asking some pretty standard questions like how does the president respond to these hacking of emails? You know, this why is he going to Copenhagen first and why is not closing the conference so we can really close the deal? Propositions put forward by climatologists may be in error or may have been altered in some way. On the second part I think

44:56 Carol Brown addressed that last week. On the order of several thousand scientists have come to the conclusion that climate change is happening. I don't think that's anything. Question. Oh, no. Well, nothing. Nothing. But just so you know, the science is in. Let me be clear. That is quite frankly among most people in dispute anymore. It's not most. It's not in dispute. John, did you hear that? It's not in dispute anymore. Most people not in dispute. No. head goes to the system not in dispute uh... in terms of when the president goes obviously we believe progress has been made with developing nations the u s has made some progress with the chinese in the indians over the past couple of weeks uh... the president will travel to oslo on the tenth uh... and believed it was important to

45:54 Use this visit to help get us to the point of a deal. Hey a deal John We've got to seal the deal. He's got to get us to a deal. You know that deal for global governance that deal Okay, stand by there go to this website. Yeah, hold on something that can take the type of action that scientists say need to be taken to stop and reverse climate change. I think the president believes that a visit happening at the beginning is just as important as it would be at any point to getting that deal going quicker. What deal? What deal, John? What's the deal?

CHAPTER 18 / 27 Discussion

Robert Gibbs and the Honorable Title Dispute

Reporter Lester Kinsolving questioned Robert Gibbs about being introduced as "The Honorable Robert Gibbs" at a state dinner, a title usually reserved for judges or high elected officials. Gibbs responded with sarcasm, mocking the reporter's age and suggesting he writes his own flattering introductions. The hosts cite this exchange as evidence of the administration's growing arrogance and "Ministry of Truth" behavior.

robert gibbs· lester kinsolving· white house press corps· arrogance· state dinner

46:38 Well here, go to www.sealthedeal2009.org. It's all explained. I'm gonna go to that in a second. I don't want to ruin our Skype connection. Let's continue, because now the old guy comes in. It's great. Follow up on the gate crash! So the guy's just asking a huge question about climate change, about scientists not believing it. Gibbs is lying through his teeth. to the gate crashes because i'm in the white house press corps i've got important i work for inside addition to getting that deal going quicker followed by one of the crash it cannot follow that one up with the possible not once the white house could have done something more to assist the secret service to prevent that situation from arising again there's an ongoing investigation now comes the old dude my hero i assume that's what the investigation will detail

47:24 Um, just a two part. Just a two part. My son does that. So he says, the guy says just a two part and Gibb says my son always done that and he holds up one finger. Just a two part, right? And you know, like mocking the guy. How old is he? And one of the press crew, how old is he? Because you're an old dude and you have like a real question you old bastard. Don't ask questions. Okay, so did you hear what he said John?

48:14 Yeah, there's 31,000 people on the list. 6,000 are PhDs. They think I just sold a crock of crap and they have reasons to think that way. Okay, what should Herr Goebbels answer now? I don't doubt that there's such a list. Lester, I think there's no real scientific basis for the dispute of this. Wait a minute. There's no real... By the way, yeah, I don't doubt there's a list. We have that list and we're checking it twice everybody. Okay, now here comes the arrogance part. So now he's back to the White House list. The old dude is gonna slam him.

49:00 Quote the Honorable Robert Gibbs White House press secretary my question Said you catch that yeah, so at the White House State Dinner. They announced Robert Gibbs as the Honorable Robert Gibbs like he's a judge yeah And then you want to hear his answer or are you done with him? No, no, let's go. Can you name any previous press secretaries who were given the title of usual reserve for judges and elected political leaders? Speaking on background? Is somebody intimately familiar with the thinking of the Honorable Robert Gibbs? Do you hear how arrogant this cocksucker is? I didn't say you're dishonorable. Yeah, we do. I thought it was... Did you come up with this? Yeah, exactly. I write all those. Look, it was... He's making jokes, but he means it. Of course he wrote that. Of course he put himself in the honorable category.

49:58 a flattering promotion that I'm sure the press secretary was quite honored to have. The president wanted this? He wanted this? Lester, I dare say that the president is quite busy doing a number of things. I seriously doubt he was proofreading the press release guest list, but I will double check on that. Double check, what an idiot. It's coked up. Yeah, I know I've had several people look at him. They don't think so. They don't think so. Well then he's got adenoids problems. The guy has not been taking a breath through his nose since he got that job. Anyway, that is the Ministry of Truth speaking to you. I don't doubt there's a list of 30,000 people of scientists of which 6,000 are PhDs, which is more than the entire IPCC report. I don't doubt that.

CHAPTER 19 / 27 Discussion

Copenhagen Riot Predictions and Australian Politics

The hosts predict widespread riots in Copenhagen as various factions oppose the "global governance" agenda of the climate summit. They note political shifts in Australia, where the Liberal Party changed leadership to oppose their version of cap and trade. Curry appeals for more international donations to sustain the show's independent research.

copenhagen· australia· liberal party· cap and trade· global governance

50:53 There's probably some organization like Climate, was it 350.org? Yeah, they're all deniers. Sickening. Well don't forget the 350 guys aren't deniers. They're against cap and trade. Cap and trade is a scam. Yeah, so they're gonna and they're in they will there's gonna be havoc in Copenhagen And it's gonna everyone's gonna be so surprised by this anyone listening to this show should know that we're telling you right now There's gonna be riots in Copenhagen So just before we get to some more clips because I know you sent in a few John The stuff you're hearing on this show you will not hear anywhere on the lamestream media. You're just not gonna hear it

51:37 Because while everyone is talking about Tiger Woods and talking about gate crashers, we're actually you know, like doing some work here I was up until 3 I had to get up at 530. I was up until 3 recording C-SPAN. No wonder you're so grumpy Yeah, I'm very I'm very grumpy and you know what if I could just quit my job and didn't have to do this Stupid running around and sitting and I love the Garden State but still I meant that the Newark Airport Crowne Plaza for Christ sakes You know, we have a shitty connection. Yeah, living, yeah. The hookers and blow are on their way. But you know, we could have a good connection, we could have a perfect show. Yeah, I'm very irritated by this stuff. We need, I need to quit my day job. I do. And the only way to do it is to be able to eat bread.

52:26 Yeah, and we had an executive producer who was definitely helping and I gotta say Wow everyone in Australia who of course are right in the middle of all this there's some amazing things happening the The Liberal Party has now changed leadership So now it's actually gonna go the people are going to vote that really working very hard on stopping their own version of cap-and-trade You know, and there's tons of money coming, well tons, there's tons of people donating that's coming in from Australia. We really appreciate it. We need some more from the United States. Hello Europe, are you listening? We really need help here. Because it's just, what's coming in, it's just not enough. And you know, people put in big amounts.

CHAPTER 20 / 27 Discussion

Donor Acknowledgments and Value-for-Value Model

The hosts read a list of donors, including those contributing between $50 and $220. They discuss the "value-for-value" funding model, encouraging listeners to treat the show like a service deserving of a holiday tip, similar to a mail carrier. Curry expresses a desire to do the show full-time but notes that current cash flow is only at a tenth of what is required.

donations· value-for-value· executive producer· christmas tips· no agenda

53:11 And they forget that we need ongoing, we need to build up a like a war chest, a cash, you know, like we need these $5 a month. Cash flow. Yeah, if every single month we got five bucks from you, from everybody, we'd be set. You know, I'd be, I wouldn't leave the house. All I'd be doing is just like be glued to C-SPAN. I'm prepared to do the work. I really am. I need, I need a certain amount of money to live. We're not there. We're like at a tenth. But yeah, 10th is about right. So you want me to list off some people that did give us this last week? Yes, please do. Okay, let's go. I would say that I'm a little disappointed by the income for this last week. But there was a holiday kind of and I'm not going to complain too much about it. But let's start with the $50 to $60 donors. This is just a few of them. Linda Kaylick wants to say happy birthday, Tony, in Telluride. Brian Pollack, Overland, Missouri. Dorothy Doering in St. Paul, Minnesota, great town. We adore Doering.

54:15 Joseph Cotran, Morrisville, New Jersey, Michael Philbert, Vermillion, Ohio, Jerome Darden, Altus, Oklahoma, and Noel Vincente in Jersey. And then one out of the country, one Brit, Simon Hart, or is it Hart? Yeah, I think so. It might be Hunt, in Southampton and William Patterson in Tokyo. And that was the $50 donors. And we have just a few above that. Shane Brady in Plattsburgh, Missouri. Todd Simons, who you mentioned, he's our executive producer, gave 220, 22. Shane gave 151, 51.

54:57 edan.com, a daily tech show from our tip top website guy gave 153. Peter Parisi, Red Cliff West Australia gave 100. And Mike Caddick in Victoria, Australia, who's also at Cynical Computers, gave $50.50 twice. And I sent him a note, I think he may just hit the button twice. That's all we got. Now, we thank everybody and all the people. We did get a number of $5 subscriptions, not millions by any means. But we did have one guy who only gave us $25, Joseph Gass. But he said that this was a Christmas. This is a good idea. He says you should tell people that they give their postman, they give all these different people a tip.

55:40 during the Christmas holiday season and people should be thinking at least give us a one round of tips the same way you do the post office guy and the you know your mailman your garbage man usually give him something and that's what he did he gave us a he says he says we're more valuable to him than the post office guy which may or may not be true but anyway that's kind of what we're looking for Dvorak.org slash NA and No Agenda Show All these things are appreciated, but we really need to bring it up a notch for the next month. And I have to say, I am a little bit, you're right, it was expected with the holiday weekend in there, the Thanksgiving weekend, that we would get less donations.

CHAPTER 21 / 27 Discussion

Holiday Show Schedule and Gitmo Nation East

No Agenda confirms it will continue broadcasting through the Christmas and New Year holidays despite the hosts' personal schedules. They criticize state-controlled media in the UK and the Netherlands for promoting geoengineering and aerosol spraying to combat climate change. The hosts also acknowledge young listeners in "Gitmo Nation East" who are spreading the show's message.

thanksgiving· christmas· new year's eve· netherlands· state media

56:21 But I do want to point out that no matter where I am in the world, no matter what day it is, we're always doing a show. If we can't, like I literally am in a meeting tomorrow morning and I'm getting up at the crack of dawn to drive to Pittsburgh to be there on time. So it just wouldn't work for me to do the show live and unfortunately the day job just has to have precedence. But we go straight through holidays. So we've got the night before Christmas, the day before Christmas, when everyone is going to be out there shopping, spending hundreds if not thousands of dollars on shit from China, junk. We'll be doing a show. We'll be doing a show. We did a show on Thanksgiving Day. Yeah, we're going to do a show on the 31st, which of course is New Year's Eve. We'll be doing a show. That's a Thursday.

57:08 We do shows on Sundays and Thursdays, it'd be great to do another one. And I wanted to... this is my calling. I really feel that way. How about you, John? I think it is your calling. You bastard. You're such a dick. You're such a buzzkill. But John's even sick. Listen to the man. He's hawking up a lung. The man is sick. I have a cold and I'm working and I should be in bed. So, noagendashow.com or dvorak.org slash NA. We really need your help. You could give it to the National Treasure, NPR or PBS if you really feel like it. But who gives you the quality programming that you will not find anywhere else? Wait until we... Hey, where's the PBS reportage on this 350 movement and all these riots that are going to take place in Copenhagen? I even heard that... Where is it? Yeah, forget about it.

58:03 You know, and conveniently while President Obama is going to be up in Copenhagen, he's also going to pick up his Nobel Peace Prize. It's kind of on the way. and that there's talk of him being served with uh... an indictment from the international criminal court i think is wishful thinking but i like i wish open but i like the idea all of these links of course are in the show notes and no agenda show dot com we figured out i think was wrong with the show notes so it until we get that fixed and some of our producers are helping uh... out with that uh... you can uh...

58:39 You can find copies of the show notes at curry.com and Dvorak org slash blog Once again, thanks to this episode's executive producer Todd Simmons from Down Under and also shout out to Dexter and Joey Roden who are brand new listeners and get mo nation East young people These are kids who aren't even 21 yet, and they're spreading the news and they're getting the word out. They're learning stuff. You think it's bad in the United States? Oh my gosh, you should see what kind of drivel the state-controlled media calls news over in Gitmo Nation East in the UK or the Netherlands where they've just

CHAPTER 22 / 27 Discussion

Geoengineering Reports and Nokia Predictive Text

A Dutch and English report suggests geoengineering via aerosols may be necessary to block the sun, which the hosts fear could trigger an ice age. A listener from Australia notes that while his Nokia phone's predictive text blocks certain profanities and "Facebook," the word "reptilian" is included by default. The hosts reiterate their disdain for "lame stream" tabloid media like the Daily Telegraph.

geoengineering· aerosols· nokia· reptilian· daily telegraph

59:15 Completely, they've released a whole new report which I haven't even gotten to where they're saying well you know of course climate change it's real, global warming it's real, yeah it hasn't been quite as much as it might be but it's gonna happen and we're gonna have to implement geoengineering. We're gonna have to spray aerosols to block the Sun. Give me a break! This is an official state-sponsored report. It's in Dutch and in English also listed in the show notes. It's crazy. We're gonna trigger an ice age with one of these schemes. Well that of course is the next step you know it's like oh yeah oh it's getting colder uh yeah ice age that's global cooling they'll have some other crap. No it's just some way of making money. And by the way uh from uh

1:00:04 One of our producers, Tim, in Australia, he says, just so you know, I love the show notes. Just make a note though, the Daily Telegraph is not really considered a decent publication. While it does have a large readership, it's our tabloid and quite often it has to apologize for the stories. You know, Tim, thanks buddy, but just so you know, all of it is bullshit. All the lame stream media is bullshit. He does however point out that On his predictive text from his Nokia, Hotmail does not work, Facebook does not work, a four-letter word with an F does not work. However, one word that is in his predictive text, that's the auto spelling correct, reptilian. Yeah. That was kind of interesting.

1:00:49 So anyway, those of you who participated in trying to get us to our third show and on this stuff full-time, we really appreciate it. And I'm getting so frustrated, John, as you can tell. I'm just gonna have to probably start without everybody. I don't know what to do. But then what? I'm gonna have no job, I'm gonna be living off of bread and water. Well, you know, it's just the way it is. We actually get some support, I have to say, and it does come in, but it's really a small, quick, compared to what people give to PBS and NPR. And War Profiteers. The local station has an endowment. They actually ask you to put them in the will, in your will, so when you drop dead, they get 10 grand. And don't they get financing from the government as well?

CHAPTER 23 / 27 Discussion

Comcast NBC Merger and Stimulus Data Errors

The acquisition of NBC by Comcast is expected to shift the network's political tone, with the hosts noting that Keith Olbermann has already begun to "back off." A report from ABC News highlights massive inaccuracies on the recovery.gov website, where 58,000 jobs were claimed for projects with zero spending. The White House dismissed these as minor errors, but the GAO and oversight boards refuse to certify the data.

comcast· nbc· recovery.gov· stimulus· vivek kundra

1:01:41 Yeah, and then they run commercials. Yeah for Monsanto and all these other fine company and GE. I'm just wondering why Leno doesn't beg for money while he's on the air. It's the same thing. He's set. He's set. So let's get back to some clips. Okay, you know we talked about the different networks that are one thing or another I've noticed by the way, it looks like NBC now that this is gonna be sold at Comcast. I expect all the highly political shows that have been pushing, you know, the Obama agenda will start to switch to more neutral positions because Comcast is not of the you know, the same

1:02:21 of thought. Are you sure or is this just, is this the next step where, because of course Comcast is a huge internet provider as well, is it just going to be that they're going to completely blanket everything, all their channels, digital or otherwise, with everything all propaganda? I mean that's also a possibility. We're already seeing Obermann back off and I've seen other examples. I think it's going to back off just because of the politics of it. But ABC has always been kind of anti-Obama. And so I got this recorded, I think over a week ago, but I still think it's an interesting report under the recovery.gov. It was kind of a report on the recovery.gov site being just bogus. Yeah, with all the data just being completely rotten, where the districts that don't exist, money that's incorrectly listed. This is all Vivek Kundra who you exposed quite boldly, I might say.

1:03:16 Who is a guy another guy with no real experience who just is like you know making up shit and put it on a website and drawing pretty pictures on a Microsoft platform here we go More than 58,000 of the jobs the White House claims were created or retained by the stimulus come from projects where no money has been spent. Nearly one out of every ten jobs claimed on the administration's recovery.gov website. That's according to a report by the Government Accountability Office. Republicans say the numbers don't add up. The inaccuracy of the site also shows you just how inept

1:03:52 the government is at getting the facts right and making them available to the public. The White House says the problems are minimal and fixable. I think the problems that we see out of 12 million data elements are probably less than 1%. There are errors that recipients made by and large in reporting that either they didn't have time to correct or didn't identify in time. But the chairman of the board that oversees the stimulus tells Congress in a letter obtained by ABC News that he can't certify any Any of the jobs data now on the website. We can't certify it. Oh, no. Any of it. By the way, the White House mouthpiece saying 1% of the 12 million data points, that means there's that means just minimally there's 120,000, 120,000 mistakes. Yeah, which that's 1% of 12 million billion.

CHAPTER 24 / 27 Discussion

Healthcare Procedure Billing and Global Insurance

The hosts critique the American healthcare system's "fee-for-procedure" billing model, which they trace back to Lyndon Johnson and the creation of Medicare. Curry shares a personal story about a $350 bill for a 30-minute doctor's visit for his daughter. He explains the difficulties of maintaining global health insurance while living between the U.S. and the UK.

medicare· lyndon johnson· healthcare billing· insurance· united kingdom

1:07:14 I don't know. It's right now they're keep... right now all the lecturing... there's gonna be like a month full of this debate and amendments, you know, which is if you turn on C-SPAN during some of these episodes, it's like, oh my god, you know, just... it's just extremely dull. You know, healthcare is so interesting. It is the only business I know where you get paid more for performing certain tasks. It's almost like if we have an engineer, we've got several at MeVEO, If an engineer does like a Perl script, then we pay him 200 bucks. But you know, if he does something with a database, oh now we got to pay you a thousand. You know, and this was all set up by Lyndon Johnson actually, when they set up Medicare. When they said, hey how much do you doctors want to get paid for stuff? And the doctors went, uh huh, oh shit yeah, this is a good deal. We'll tell ya. We'll tell ya how much money we want to get paid. And they get paid by procedure. It's really weird.

1:08:09 You know, it's like, you know what? Yeah, you think they just get paid by the hour? Yeah. No, no, no, not, it's by the procedure. Yeah, I took Christina to see the doctor. The doctor talked with her for like 30 minutes. They took her blood, weighed her when she was out here in San Francisco. I got the bill the other day, $350. It's for half an hour. Well, she's covered by your insurance. No, she's not actually. She should be. No, she's too old and she's not in school. No, she got kicked out of my global insurance because she's enjoying the fine health care service in the United Kingdom who won't reimburse you because you have to call the number and get permission and just if you're not feeling well you can't just go and have that insured. No way.

CHAPTER 25 / 27 Discussion

Goldman Sachs Gun Permits and Federal Reserve PSAs

Bloomberg reports that Goldman Sachs executives are applying for carry permits and arming themselves due to public anger against bankers. Simultaneously, the Federal Reserve is sponsoring 45-second public service announcements in movie theaters to teach consumers how to avoid credit card fees. The hosts view these PSAs as a cynical attempt by bankers to appear helpful while encouraging continued spending.

goldman sachs· gun permits· federal reserve· movie theaters· credit cards

1:15:03 Applying for gun permits. Oh yeah, this is a great story. I think even carry permits, right? Because they're being threatened so much. You have to understand that this is why I love being in the United States of America. Because even though, literally, the New World Order, they're calling themselves that, the global government is opening up, they want us to have less babies, which of course will lead to killing people, because we're killing the earth. You know, what's happening is people in America are just not going to take this shit any longer and you know what? Because of the First Amendment we've got guns and we have numbers and once we figure it out that we've got the numbers they can do nothing against us. That's why I'm interested to see what will happen, you know, as people start waking up the internet, you know, before they shut it down and boy, Al Gore must not be a popular guy at the cocktail parties of the evil elite. Hey, hey, Gore!

1:16:04 You invented that stuff man, now look what it's doing, it's ruining everything. People are catching on. So, yeah, of course they've got to arm themselves, they've got to have guns. Because people are coming after them. Yeah, well, they better get to Bermuda or wherever they're going to end up. Cayman Islands or whatever. No, no, no, it's Paraguay. They have guns, if I was one of them I'd be carrying two. I'm thinking of carrying myself regardless. Federal Reserve has announced it is sponsoring a 45- I can't wait to get this commercial. 45 second advertisements in movie theaters with tips to help shoppers avoid unnecessary credit card charges and fees. These are quote public service announcements.

1:16:55 How about you regulating better? Oh no, no, no. We need to help the people. We need to help the sheeple. They need to understand. I can't wait to get to the movie theater to see this. The Federal Reserve, ladies and gentlemen, the bankers are now telling you how to avoid unnecessary fees. But the whole message is continue to shop. And oh, by the way, if you gotta pee, take this pill. Don't stop to pee. Go shop. It's all fine. Enjoy your shopping experience. It's just ludicrous. That's the word for it. You know, we got a few new topics coming up that we'll discuss on Sunday completely off the wall. Yeah, what do you want to tease? Of course I have to go to my email to get the right tease out and then we just tell people it's going to be very interesting. Okay.

CHAPTER 26 / 27 Discussion

North Korean Currency Devaluation and Swine Flu Sex Tips

Kim Jong-il has reportedly devalued North Korean currency, a move the hosts compare to the hyperinflation seen in Zimbabwe. A lighter segment covers a Cosmopolitan magazine article offering tips to avoid Swine Flu, such as fist-bumping instead of shaking hands. The article specifically recommends "reverse cowgirl" as a safer alternative to missionary style sex to prevent the spread of viral particles.

kim jong-il· zimbabwe· cosmopolitan· swine flu· reverse cowgirl

1:17:51 And of course, Kim Jong-il has done something that could possibly happen in these United States. He's essentially crushed the currency by devaluing it. And of course, that completely crushes everything and everybody. Wouldn't it be weird if all of a sudden you woke up and your dollar was worth 10 cents? It's happened. Not here, but it happens in some countries. It's happened in many places. I got myself my $100 trillion note from Zimbabwe. Oh, you did? You got one finally? Oh, cool. Yeah, a hundred trillion. I have a hundred trillion. I've got a hundred trillion. I thought yours was ten trillion. No, I've got a hundred trillion. It's not that hard to get, you know, if you have the right connections. Yeah, Zimbabwe connections. And then the one other thing, just to wind it up on a happy note,

1:18:45 I got a whole bunch of swine flu links in the show notes, but it's just this connection is impossible. Because of course if we actually had money coming in I could just stay at home and do this show properly. But Cosmopolitan Magazine, have you seen this John? This is something that I thought you probably blogged. They have come out with a nice handy little list. You know, they're always there to help everyone, particularly the women of the United States. I'm sure this will be translated into their many international versions. How to engage with people and your partner so as not to reduce the risk of getting or spreading swine flu.

1:19:30 So they have a night, it's a, it's a, I'm going to print this out and hang it up in the office. No high fives. No, instead of shaking hands, you should be bumping fists. Open hands are viral hot spots since people often touch their faces transferring germs to their palms and fingers. Do not bear hug. No, no, no. Instead, greet with a light upper arm squeeze. Again, getting into another person's airspace can set you up for infection. Lip kissing goodbye John this is no longer allowed according to Cosmo magazine instead blow a kiss Direct contact with an infected person's mouth or nose will transmit the virus But the kicker and this is actually where Cosmo really does it for me And I'm going to buy up a couple of issues of this magazine

CHAPTER 27 / 27 Discussion

No Agenda Episode 153 Outro

Adam Curry and John C. Dvorak conclude the episode, promising a better technical connection for the next show on Sunday. They direct listeners to noagendashow.com and their respective blogs for show notes. The hosts sign off from New Jersey and Silicon Valley, teasing episode 154.

adam curry· john c. dvorak· no agenda· at&t· silicon valley

1:20:20 The high-risky habit of missionary style sex has to end. Instead, do the deed facing away from him. The farther apart from your mouths and noses are, the less likely you'll be breathing in viral particles. And essentially they've got a little diagram of a reverse cowgirl. Right. And I'm like, that's good. Now you're talking my language. But the kissing and bear hugging and shaking hands, that's got to stop. Instead, it's time for reverse cowgirl. So the next time, guys... What a crock. Everybody's making money off of this but us. So John, let me blow you... But us. Yeah, let me blow you a little kiss there, my friend. And thank you for coming off of your deathbed to participate in the show.

1:21:17 Yes, Dvorak.org slash NA, ladies and gentlemen. So I'll be back in Gitmo Nation West on Sunday and we'll have a proper connection if, of course, if AT&T allows it. Because you never know. Please check us out at noagendashow.com. If the show notes aren't working properly, there's always a copy at curry.com or Dvorak.org slash NA. Coming to you from the Garden States, right in the middle of Gitmo Nation Central, Pissed off. I'm Adam Curry. And from Northern Silicon Valley where it's dark, I'm John C. Dvorak. We'll be back right here with another episode. It'll be 154. Make sure you're the executive producer. We'll do it on Sunday right here on NO Agenda.