34:31 Now that you brought climate thing is curious, I end up with a lot of clips I didn't notice. Yeah, how about that? Okay, so we have Jamal Bowman, who's in the climate, he comes on to talk about the climate problems and he was, this is interesting, because they transition to another guy. But listen to this, this Jamal Bowman one, listen to this and then something weird happens. That's Congress member Jamal Bowman. We're joined now by Mustafa Ali. He's the former head of the Environmental Justice Program at the EPA, the Environmental Protection Agency. Why does the EPA have anything to do with climate justice?
35:17 I thought they were regulating pollution and all the rest of it, the Environmental Protection Agency. This is reminding me of the clip we had in the last show where the Fed is now supposed to deal with diversity justice. I read that whole bill again. It's insane. I mean, it's not even hard to read. Well, luckily for the nation, it's not going to get passed. Yeah, that's what you say. Why? Well, it can't get through the Senate. It can. It depends on who's compromised. Well, they need 10 Republicans to join in. That's not gonna happen. Oh, is it one of those 60-vote things? Yeah. That's too bad. Then I ended up with this... I had this sub clip called 1-5, which is the lies clip.
36:12 Play this. That's a lie. We're not historically the largest polluter in the world? No, historically, yeah, if you go back to the 1800s, during the Industrial Revolution, I think you can probably make the case that we were polluting more than anybody else. Yeah, okay, that's fair, but now it's got to be China. China and India. India even more so than China, probably.
36:58 Could be it's just it's touch and go with those two but an India doesn't care China and India are far worse polluters. China doesn't care either. They put it in all the agreements and we don't care we're putting it in writing for you we're not gonna change until you know 20, 20, 30s when the no 2030s when they start to think about it. Oh okay that's what I mean 2050 they won't do any the Netherlands You know, they're all of a sudden, they're like, oh, you know, we got some problems here. We got some problems with our energy. So they're... The other thing about... Let me finish the sentence. Oh, I'm sorry. So they just said, they just approved two nuclear plants, which will be done in about 10 years. Yeah, they take forever to build. Of course. It's crazy. Yeah, it's dumb. So the other thing is, if you listen to that clip again, she talks, she said, he's, the
37:53 The climate justice guy at the EPA and he's also supposed to be in charge of world affairs when it comes to climate justice? Let's listen again. You are the environmental justice head of it. The environmental justice... Head doesn't sound like a title, but okay. ...program at the EPA which goes to the issue of the disproportionately impacted communities of color in this country, but you look more globally at the world and who is most affected when the US is historically the largest polluter in the world. Oh, so he's really, he works for the world. He doesn't work for the US government. He works to police us because we're hurting the other countries. What kind of deal is that? We're paying this guy? Not anymore. He's former head. Well, that means somebody else took his job. So somebody's getting paid to do this.
38:47 Environmental justice. Let me just see what comes up. Okay, let's go to clip two. Hold on a second. The Biden administration must declare a climate emergency immediately. and use every single power at its disposal. Mustafa is the executive vice president of the National Wildlife Federation, also the CEO and founder of Revitalization Strategies. Mustafa, welcome back to Democracy Now! First respond... Hold on a second. I gotta change. I gotta make a... This was actually the original... Clip change? Clip change? Clip change. I'm sorry, this was the original clip that moved into the other guy. This is how it started.
39:28 So let's start it with that in mind. Okay, by the way, this the the environmental justice head and it's literally PBS has that headline EPA environmental justice head resigns He resigned he left so why I'm gonna find out as we listen to the clip the Biden administration must declare a climate emergency immediately and use every single power at its disposal. I'm sorry, he resigned in 2017 under Trump because Trump. Trump, Trump. Executive vice president of the National Wildlife Federation, also the CEO and founder of Revitalization Strategies. Mustafa, welcome back to Democracy Now! First, respond to the court's ruling. You know, this radical court, the decision that they came down with,
40:19 It is deeply disappointing. It is also destabilizing and it is deadly. My grandmother says that when you know better, do better. The court knew better. It just decided not to do better. And because of that, they put people's lives in danger and they have also put in place steps that will accelerate the climate crisis. We have to continue to engage with frontline communities to make sure that they are going to have the resources they need to be able to navigate this decision as their lives have literally been put in the crosshairs. Sounds like we should have had his grandmother running the show. She has all the cool slogans. Yeah. Let's go to clip three. Tell us what the original... Stop, stop.
41:07 Now we're back to the climate justice guy. Oh yeah, dynamite. Tell us what the original case West Virginia versus EPA is. How did this all begin? Well, it began because of the Clean Power Plan. And of course, we need to go back to the Clean Air Act and just chair with everyone, you know that Congress stated at that time that the Environmental Protection Agency had a right and responsibility to make sure that they were addressing the air pollution and protecting public health and the environment. Fast forward to the Clean Power Plan, which was actually put in place to be able to
41:45 minimize the impacts that were happening from carbon pollution, to put in place the rules that are necessary to make sure that we have a safety net across our country to be able to lower the carbon emissions. So the case that they brought forward is a number of states who did not want EPA to be able to have the ability to do that and as was stated earlier, was driven by the fossil fuel producing states and those industries were the main drivers. So, the ruling comes at a time when climate scientists are urging rich nations to significantly cut down greenhouse gas emissions and divest from fossil fuels. Of course, this not only impacts the United States, this decision will reverberate around the world. Talk about how it will impact the U.S.'s plan to cut
42:39 carbon emissions by what, 50 percent by the end of the decade. Something that President Biden referenced when he talked about this decision being devastating. It makes it so much more difficult to be able to achieve the goals that the IPCC and the National Climate Assessment has shared with us. You know, domestically in our country, just to actually anchor folks in some facts, we've got between 200 and 300 thousand people who die prematurely from air pollution. Ah, climate lockdown, climate lockdown. You're gonna die. How do they know this by the way? I don't know. He's a former head of some thing. They're dying of air pollution. Yes. We've heard this for the over the years we keep hearing this. I mean somebody might have emphasized that air pollution doesn't help but nothing helps. Okay. Hold on.
43:31 Well, yeah, this is not good. This is the last one. This is the EPA decision is about the EPA decision by the courts, which is the worst thing that's ever happened. Of course. Here's some quotes from Democracy Now! Capping carbon dioxide emissions at a level that will force a nationwide transition away from the use of coal to generate electricity may be a sensible solution to the crisis of the day. But it is not plausible that Congress gave EPA the authority to adopt on its own such a regulatory scheme, Robert said. Liberal Justice Elena Kagan slammed the decision, writing in a dissent, what is this journalism, Amy? She likes to say slam. She used to use slam every time with Trump. It was slammed and there was some other term she used that was inappropriate.
44:27 Well, let me finish the clip. Let me finish her clip. That was the first part. That was Roberts's comment and then Kagan has some opposite to say. clue about how to address climate change. And let's say the obvious. The stakes here are high. Yet the court today prevents congressionally authorized agency action to curb power plants' carbon dioxide emissions. Justice Kagan went on to write, The court appoints itself instead of Congress or the expert agency, the decision maker on climate policy. I cannot think of many things more frightening. Whoa! You got butt-slammed! What is she talking about?
45:18 No, nothing's more frightening. The court's not saying it, it's just throwing it out. It's saying, no, you can't do that. They're not saying that they're going to do it. That's what she implied. The signature... Did you listen to what Kagan said? Yeah. She read it correctly. She implied that the court's going to take over. That's what she implied. It's bullcrap. I don't know what's wrong with this woman. Kagan and Sotomayor are two terrible justices. Yeah, they certainly don't you know it's so poorly understood this the three branches of government in you know That people are so insane right now. It's like now. We did just they're not legitimate We have to get rid of the Supreme Court. It's no good. You know Congress they're the ones that do it all the Supreme Court bullcrap
46:04 As if even, you know, because this is all coming, we're going back to the origins of the United States with states' rights. This is what's being presented and states' rights like this haven't been recognized in a long time. Probably not really during my lifetime at all. So, when it comes to, you know, obviously Roe v. Wade is one, which, okay, this has got to go to the states. Same with emissions. And I'm sure it's going to happen with education. And it's about time because all you hear these people saying is, oh, we need to make rules, rules, we have to have rules, not laws, rules. We just make some rules for everybody. It's for rule followers. It's rules.