Episode 144 · Sunday, 1 November 2009

Hemorrhagic Flu Outbreak!

A mysterious respiratory plague in Eastern Europe and questionable vaccine safety data collide with suspicious airline anomalies and the rise of the preventative pharmaceutical business model.

By The No Agenda Show | 1h 46m listen | 34 chapters
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The No Agenda Show · No. 144

About this episode

A lethal viral pneumonia outbreak in Ukraine has triggered international alarm as reports emerge of victims suffering from lungs filled with blood. Biologist Joseph Moshe has linked the situation to Baxter International, leading to speculation that this hemorrhagic flu is a mutated H1N1 strain designed to justify global mandates for squalene-based vaccine adjuvants. The crisis coincides with a suspicious media blackout and travel bans across Eastern Europe.

In the United States, Fox News anchor Shepard Smith clashed with a New York healthcare worker over mandatory vaccinations, while the White House faces scrutiny for inflated job statistics on Recovery.gov. Dr. Harper, a lead researcher for the Gardasil vaccine, has publicly questioned the safety of the HPV shot, suggesting adverse event rates may exceed the incidence of the cancer it prevents. Meanwhile, the NTSB continues to investigate Northwest Airlines Flight 188 after pilots overshot their destination by 150 miles, an incident some theorists attribute to missing time or cockpit sabotage.

Technical glitches during the recording lead to an impromptu impression of Tattoo from Fantasy Island as the fiber optic connection fails. The hosts also dissect a bizarre theory from physicists Holger Nielsen and Masao Ninomiya claiming the Large Hadron Collider is being sabotaged by the future. Executive Producer Philip Evans joins the effort to build a consolidated swine flu information resource for the No Agenda community.


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CHAPTER 01 / 34 Discussion

World Vegan Day and Climate Change Meat Consumption Reports

The first of November marks World Vegan Day, an event established in 1994. Climate Chief Lord Stern released a report from the United Kingdom suggesting that global citizens must transition to vegetarianism to combat climate change. This recommendation aligns with economic warnings that British taxpayers may need to contribute three billion pounds annually to assist developing nations with climate impacts.

world vegan day· climate change· lord stern· vegetarian society· meat industry

00:01 I'm old. I'm Adam Curry. And from Gitmo, Microsoft, Pacific Northwest, I'm John C. Dvorak. You know, we have a... I was noticing on my Twitter feed that we have a vegan... Is it vegan or vagan? I can't remember. I think it's vegan. Yeah, it's vegan. And he says that he listens to the show, he likes it, but until we start talking about meat. Well, he's the one, of course, that pointed out to me that it is World Vegan Day today and wanted me to be the... Did you check on this to make sure? No, I didn't. Of course I didn't. Well, that might help. Wait a minute, don't tell me I've been scammed.

01:09 I'm sure it is World Vegan Day. He actually says on behalf of all of us vegans who listen to no agenda. I'm sure we've got a whole slew. It's been written since 1994 as a matter of fact. Well there you go. First of November, World Vegan Day. There you go. Isn't there some weird thing? My mom used to make me do this. When it was the first of the month, before you say anything to anybody, you're supposed to say, or the first person you see, you're supposed to say, bunny bunny. Have you ever heard of that? They must have been laughing at you behind your back on that one. He did it again, he said it again. Yeah, I don't know why he keeps saying it. What a douche. But speaking of the World Vegan Day, there's a, what's his name, Climate Chief Lord Stern from Gitmo Nation East in the United Enslavement of the Kingdom.

02:07 They have an office of the climate change over there in Gitmo Nation East. It's an actual governmental office. Yes. And this Chief Lord Stern, they come out with this whole report and he's saying, in order to save the world we must stop eating meat. Yes, coincidentally, just like the day before World Vegan Day. These things are no coincidence. They never are. People, a quote from him, people need to turn vegetarian if the world is to conquer climate change. But whose agenda is that really? I'm just trying to figure it out, you know, it's like, clearly it's not the meat industry. So who is behind this? The vegans? That's my guess. The veggie people? The veggies. Oh here it is, Times Archive, 1851, meeting of the vegetarian society.

CHAPTER 02 / 34 Discussion

Kim Jong-il Body Double Rumors and Political News

Rumors circulate regarding North Korean leader Kim Jong-il using an exact body double to make public appearances during bouts of illness. Visual comparisons of photographs suggest differences in posture and demeanor between the two figures. Additionally, the Republican party has reportedly enlisted former Fox News contributor Oliver North as a foreign policy advisor.

kim jong-il· north korea· oliver north· republicans· clones

03:02 That's your new world order right there, the Vegetarian Society, better known as Veggie Sock. That's got to be it. Former chief economist of the World Bank and now professor of economics at the London School of Economics warned the British taxpayers would also need to contribute three billion pounds a year. That's like five billion dollars a year. to help poor countries to cope with the inevitable impact of climate change. Scam. So, I'm going to look at the blog. I see there's been a lot of crazy news this week. Yeah, there has been some. The Republicans are going to enlist Oliver North as a foreign policy advisor. What? The guy's a criminal. Isn't he a Fox News contributor? Yeah, well, same thing.

04:01 Ooh, where's the rim shot when you need it? and then they show these pictures of Kim Jong-il and I guess that according to the rumors does he... Kim Jong-il, although you'll be able to find out for sure has been so sick that he's had an exact copy of himself floating around the country pretending to be him. Well yeah, it's the same technology they used to create two Obamas. Now I'm looking at the two pictures if you want to check it out on the vorac.org slash blog in real time. It'll be scrolled off by the time anyone listens to this thing on the iPod but

04:40 They have the two pictures and the guy looks identical to me except the way he handles his head. If you can go to the blog, you'll see there's a Kim Jong-il on the left who looks pensive and then a Kim Jong-il on the right who looks slightly cocky. Let me take a look. Other than that, I don't think that this is a copy of the guy. Wow, if it is, well you know, why wouldn't it be possible? I mean we've cloned sheep. Well, I don't think he's cloned. You can't age him that fast. Well, this is... I don't know, man. Again, I'll just say, why do they even bother putting eye color on the driver's licenses in North Korea? You know what I'm saying?

CHAPTER 03 / 34 Discussion

Axe Deodorant False Advertising Lawsuit in India

A man in India filed a lawsuit against the manufacturers of Axe deodorant after using the product for seven years without successfully attracting women. The legal claim targets the brand's marketing imagery, which symbolically suggests that using the spray directly results in romantic success.

axe deodorant· india· false advertising· lawsuit· marketing

05:29 So, another story, deodorant didn't get him girls for the last seven years so he sues the manufacturer. Now I think this is a great idea. What is this? Some advertisement kept showing you use this stuff. Oh, Axe. Axe is supposed to get you laid, that's right. In fact, on the on the packaging the actual the primary packaging the the actual canister of acts there's a little others three symbols it's the acts the deodorant packaging uh... plus guy with his arm up equals girl i mean it's it's it's it's in the symbols are right there so yeah i think you're right i think he has a case there and i agree i think you can absolutely sue but this is gay apparently a disease in twenty-seven

CHAPTER 04 / 34 Discussion

Tony Blair European Union Presidency Campaign and Newsweek Cover

Newsweek's European edition featured a cover depicting Tony Blair as a candidate for the President of the European Union, utilizing "Yes We Can" imagery similar to Barack Obama's campaign. While Blair is considered a frontrunner, Dutch Prime Minister Jan Peter Balkenende is also a potential candidate. The selection process involves appointment by politicians rather than a direct public election.

tony blair· european union· newsweek· jan peter balkenende· european parliament

06:19 He's in India. Oh, okay. Voidware have been made by law and ineffective in India. Hey, the Newsweek, I guess the European edition, and I'll put the picture in the show notes, is a picture of a... So the whole Newsweek front cover is a brick wall or supposed to look like a brick wall and the headline is Blair for President and then there's a poster superimposed as if it's stuck on that brick wall. Tony Blair's head with European Union stars circling his head and underneath, yes we can. It's a joke though, right? No, this is really what's in Newsweek. No, I know, but it's not like... I mean they just created it for the cover.

07:16 Yeah, you know you can call it a joke. Oh, you mean like it's not a real poster? Dude, I don't know. You know what? It wouldn't surprise me if they're so blatant and just went ahead and did that. Hey, it worked for our guy in the US. Maybe it can work for our guy in the European Parliament. Very interesting though. The runner-up for president of the European Union is the Dutch Prime Minister, Jan Peter Balkenende. Which is just, he's like, he's the Harry Potter looking dude. Yeah. And it's gonna be really interesting. I still think it's a shoe-in for Blair.

07:57 I thought Blair already got the deal. How does it work? They haven't had the election yet? No, no, no. Is there an election? No, this is the point. There is no election. It'll be the politicians are going to elect the president. Oh, that's right. You know, the fine thing is Hitler never was actually elected either. No. Thank you for pointing that out, John. And while we're speaking German, may I, allow me to play a fine piece of audio that was sent to us from one of our producers in Gitmo Nation, East, Eastern Germany. This is Angela Merkel, the Prime Minister of Germany. Arbeit, Arbeit, Arbeit. Did you get it? One more time everybody. Arbeit, Arbeit, Arbeit. Jobs, jobs, jobs and jobs. Let's vote for jobs! Arbeit, Arbeit, Arbeit. The meme is catching on. Arbeit, Arbeit, Arbeit.

CHAPTER 05 / 34 Discussion

Executive Producer Philip Evans and Swine Flu Information Request

Philip Evans, originally from Modesto and currently residing in Las Vegas, is recognized as the executive producer for this episode following a $150 donation. Evans requested the creation of a consolidated webpage for swine flu information to help educate skeptics. The hosts invite listeners to assist in building this resource to promote public awareness.

philip evans· las vegas· modesto· swine flu· executive producer

08:49 Who is today's executive producer, John? Because it's very important we hand out the props. I'm glad that you mentioned it. So this week's executive producer responsible for carrying the show is Philip Evans. who is in Las Vegas currently out of Modesto originally. Hailed normally from Modesto, now from Las Vegas. $150 from Philip Evans, he's now the executive producer for this show and he will be credited if he wants it. Put it on his bio. Yes, put it on your bio, put it on your CV and of course if you want us... We'll vouch. Yeah, we'll completely vouch for you. These types of things do get you jobs in the real world. Arbeit, Arbeit, Arbeit.

09:36 Now, he's had a request he would like to see from us, although, you know, requests... by the way, we welcome requests. It doesn't mean anything, but we welcome them. He wants to see a consolidated webpage with all the swine flu information on one place so he can take in, because he says he tries to get people to listen to the show, but he knows that if there's a webpage with some stuff, they might, at least these guys that won't listen to the show, they might look at the webpage. If somebody wants to do that for us, we'll take a look at it. That would be nice, and we'll certainly promote it.

10:10 But I found that you can't force people to open their eyes to stuff. I mean, case in point, finally, finally, now that the White House came out with some phony job-saved-or-created number, Finally we're seeing mainstream media going. Hey, hold on a second. How do you measure saved jobs? Yeah, and how long have we been on this John since the first time he started saying it since the first time he used the word saved yeah saved or created and now finally, you know, I see it in and and just about every mainstream publications like a way to go to the road to the newsroom with a not listening before it's it can take a year for someone to actually catch on but that exactly ridiculous that they bought into that only belonging usage to begin with and they still haven't picked up on the health care insurance reform no no no no no no i heard michelle obama she also does a lot of videos now on the on the white house blog

CHAPTER 06 / 34 Discussion

Mainstream Media Skepticism of White House Job Statistics

Mainstream media outlets have begun questioning the White House's "jobs saved or created" metrics, noting the difficulty in measuring hypothetical employment data. Meanwhile, Michelle Obama has been featured in White House blog videos discussing health care insurance reform, often sharing personal anecdotes regarding her daughter's medical history to support the administration's policy goals.

white house· mainstream media· michelle obama· health care reform· job creation

09:36 Now, he's had a request he would like to see from us, although, you know, requests... by the way, we welcome requests. It doesn't mean anything, but we welcome them. He wants to see a consolidated webpage with all the swine flu information on one place so he can take in, because he says he tries to get people to listen to the show, but he knows that if there's a webpage with some stuff, they might, at least these guys that won't listen to the show, they might look at the webpage. If somebody wants to do that for us, we'll take a look at it. That would be nice, and we'll certainly promote it.

10:10 But I found that you can't force people to open their eyes to stuff. I mean, case in point, finally, finally, now that the White House came out with some phony job-saved-or-created number, Finally we're seeing mainstream media going. Hey, hold on a second. How do you measure saved jobs? Yeah, and how long have we been on this John since the first time he started saying it since the first time he used the word saved yeah saved or created and now finally, you know, I see it in and and just about every mainstream publications like a way to go to the road to the newsroom with a not listening before it's it can take a year for someone to actually catch on but that exactly ridiculous that they bought into that only belonging usage to begin with and they still haven't picked up on the health care insurance reform no no no no no no i heard michelle obama she also does a lot of videos now on the on the white house blog

11:12 And she was actually mixing it up in one specific piece. She was saying health care insurance reform, and then she was saying health care reform. She was really going back and forth on it. And her personal story is when one of her daughters got meningitis and they thought that she would be hospitalized. Luckily, they had access to health care. That is a good thing, yeah. Yeah, it's a good thing. So here's one for you, since we're on the healthcare topic. You know, you sound like you're a muscle relaxant. I... You sound really, I mean the setup for, I know you're in up near Veggie Soft there in Washington, but it sounds really muffled. Yeah, I don't know what I can do about it because I don't have any, I don't know, it's the same rig I've had up here all the time. By the way, before you do anything, I got a short beef with you. The people have been listening to your show that you do with Andrew Horowitz. What's the name of that show by the way?

CHAPTER 07 / 34 Discussion

Dvorak Unplugged and Crackpot Theory Accusations

A brief exchange occurs regarding the "Dvorak Unplugged" show hosted by John C. Dvorak and Andrew Horowitz. One host jokingly criticizes the other for adopting a "crackpot" persona on the side project, asserting that there should only be one designated crackpot in their professional partnership.

dvorak unplugged· andrew horowitz· crackpot· podcasting· banter

12:16 uh... the work or with unplugged okay the war at war with unplug and your you're like trying to be like some form of crackpot on that show even see even going so far as to say well you know my crackpot theories me what's up with that it's a fluke it better be Because you know that's not okay dude. I mean, I'm fine with you going off with some other guy and doing your occasional fling from time to time, but I don't... But I can't be a crackpot! No, you cannot be a crackpot. That is unacceptable.

CHAPTER 08 / 34 Discussion

Merck Researcher Dr. Harper Criticizes Gardasil Vaccine Safety

Dr. Harper, a researcher associated with the development of the Gardasil vaccine, reportedly stated at a conference that the rate of serious adverse events from the vaccine is higher than the incidence rate of cervical cancer. The discussion highlights concerns that the pharmaceutical industry is shifting focus from curing ailments to aggressive marketing of preventative vaccines for profit.

merck· gardasil· dr. harper· hpv· cervical cancer

12:53 You can only have one crackpot in the family. Just so you know, we're listening. There's only one crackpot. That's right. Well, talking about crackpots, let me give you this one. We're going to send you this link. Okay. This is a great article and everyone's going to have to read it. You have to put this on the show notes. A Merck researcher admits Gardasil guards against almost nothing. But didn't we talk about this? It's not Mercury, it's Merck Researcher. This happened at the beginning of the month. I think we actually mentioned this in the show. Yeah, I didn't read this article. Did you already posted this? Yeah, I've posted it. It's okay, let's do it again because this happened at a conference that was actually about Gardasil. It was about HPV and vaccinations. And who was it, Dr. Harper?

13:44 Yep. And here's the graph, it's about halfway through this thing that just cracked me up. Dr. Harper, who seems to specialize in dropping bombshells, dropped another in an interview with ABC News when she admitted that, quote, the rate of serious adverse events is greater with the vaccine than the incidence rate of cervical cancer. Yeah, and I think she's actually, wasn't she one of the people who was actually working on the original Gardasil quote vaccine? I can't find that in here. Yeah, it might be some other link. I'll look, I think I have another link that mentions that because... Well, I posted this before I didn't see it but you should post it again because people need to read this article. Yeah.

14:33 I mean, she just basically says that, and she gives all the stats, the likelihood of getting, I mean, it's just, if you read this article, it makes it, this vaccine is beyond ridiculous, beyond dangerous. There was a crazy yeah well what's happening here John is and you kind of got to think about it and then it's not that hard to figure out in the pharmaceutical industry of course up until now you know they've pretty much existed through their patents so they get a patent on some drug and then that's good for a certain amount of time And then anyone can make a generic and you know that's when they have to go and find some new drug to solve some amazing disease. Yes, but that brings me to a, before you go on, that brings me to an interesting question I'm going to ask you.

CHAPTER 09 / 34 Discussion

Pharmaceutical Industry Business Models and Preventative Medicine

The pharmaceutical industry is analyzed as transitioning toward a preventative medicine model to maximize revenue as traditional drug patents expire. By focusing on vaccines for conditions like nicotine addiction or HPV, companies can market products to healthy populations. Investors are encouraged to review CEO PowerPoint presentations and annual reports to understand this strategic shift toward long-term preventative drug use.

bayer· pfizer· vaccines· investor relations· pharmaceutical patents

15:20 They bring out a drug, they get it for 26 years, they get this patented drug and they clean up, they overcharge, 10 bucks a pill and all that kind of thing. And then the patent runs out and it goes generic and anyone can manufacture it. Why don't they themselves continue to manufacture it? I mean, the fact of the matter is Bayer has made hay with Bayer Aspirin, which has been in the public domain forever, selling their branded version and they do quite well with it. There's money to be made. What are they complaining about? How much money do they need? Well, so, okay, so first of all, the exercise of branding anything is a very, very, very expensive process.

16:01 branding and continue it. Not like those TV ads for foot odor? Yeah, that's also very expensive but just hear me out for a second. So there's a cost to making the stuff, there's a cost to distributing it, there's a cost to buying off doctors to actually prescribe this stuff. It costs a lot of money, there's no doubt about it. They've made a very expensive process and What they've done now is they've actually taken a much smarter route. Instead of trying to come up with drugs that will cure people with ailments, They've now switched it around. This is what a big part of this swine flu vaccination is. We are now going to give you things that will prevent you from getting sick in the first place. So now we've actually switched it and this has been a process that's been going on for the past 20 or 30 years probably, but now it's really accelerating where,

16:54 Okay, genital warts for boys and cervical cancer, only two of the, I think, five or seven different kinds actually is what Gardazil is supposed to and Cerevax are supposed to protect against. We're going to give that to you when you're nine, anywhere between nine and 13. So before you get it, so everything is now going to be preventative. There's a vaccine coming out to prevent nicotine addiction. I mean give me a break. How about not smoking? You know there's all these different vaccines and that is going to be, and all you have to do is read the reports. They're online. Go to these pharmaceuticals websites.

17:31 And don't download the marketing material about our company. Go to the investor relations, download the PowerPoint from the most recent shareholders meeting. And the annual report. And the annual report. But it's always in the CEO's PowerPoint presentation. They're all online. And all they talk about is all these amazing vaccines. There's another one, the rest of virus or something. So all this stuff is coming out and the whole idea is to change the mindset to take the drugs before you get sick. That's what this is about and it's a brilliant marketing move. It makes so much sense. You know, hey, let's make up something like, you know, any ailment and then just make a vaccine for it that'll supposedly going to, you know, stop you from getting it, which actually in a way uses a lot of the human body's function, i.e., what was that? I thought I lost you. I.e., give someone a vaccine

CHAPTER 10 / 34 Discussion

Skype Audio Glitches and Tattoo Impression

Technical difficulties with the Skype connection cause one host's voice to shift pitch significantly, leading to an impromptu impression of the character Tattoo from Fantasy Island. The hosts attempt to troubleshoot the fiber optic connection issues before proceeding with the scheduled media clips.

skype· audio quality· fantasy island· tattoo· technical difficulties

18:34 with actual virus and then they'll be immune to it. Yeah, of course that works. You know, so just keep on doing that. Just keep giving us illnesses all the time. That's exactly what it is. And it's brilliant, but people really got to be aware as to what's going on, you know. So if you want to do something, do we want to do this? I mean one of the things that I think... You just went up an octave. Oh, do I sound better now? Yeah, much better. Keep it that way. Anyway... I can't listen to you! What? What happened? Is the Skype connection getting wonky? I think we should leave it this way. Oh no, it's not wonky at all, John. Please carry on. Why don't you play a clip?

19:25 Hi, this is no agenda. Sitting in for John C. Dvorak is Tattoo from Fantasy Island. And the plane, the plane is coming, boss. The plane. The plane. All right, you want to set up the Shepard Smith clip? Now how long am I going to sound like this? I'll tell you, I'll hang up and if you call me right back then it should work. Oh wait, let me... It's too funny. It's the helium, John. Okay, hold on. Hold on. Get ready. All right, so you call me right back. Okay, can you hear me? Yeah, do I sound funky again? No, you sound much better. I couldn't keep a straight face. I should have left that throughout the whole show. How does the Skype connection keep doing this? Especially when I'm up here. And you're supposed to have that amazing pipe up there, you know, like 150 million kB, we've got an open fiber. Yeah, well, apparently it's not what it once was. No.

CHAPTER 11 / 34 Discussion

Sid the Science Kid Swine Flu Vaccination Song

A clip from the PBS program "Sid the Science Kid" features a song encouraging children to get vaccinated for the swine flu. The hosts highlight a specific audio anomaly in the background of the song that sounds like "evil scientist" laughter, suggesting it may inadvertently frighten the target audience of young children.

sid the science kid· pbs· swine flu· vaccination· jim henson

20:30 Well, you weren't paying much for it anyway, so I think we're scammed in some way Since we're at it if you want to play the swine flu minute jingle and then play a couple clips Oh really is it that early? Okay, what do we got going right well, what do we have on the list of the clips I sent I got Shepard Smith How did I get drugs in flat again? That's wrong. I got Sid mini clip. I Sid the Science Kid. Sid the Science Kid, which is a PBS.org website, says Jim Henson's, even though he's been dead for years. John, you know we played this clip, right? Oh, but... What show were you on when we... I played this clip! I just want you to play the beginning of the clip, then play the sub-clip, because we never noticed this one little anomaly. What's the sub-clip?

21:26 The mini clip? Yeah, the mini clip. Okay, here we go. It's Zip, the Science Kid! Hey kids, we're ready to roll! Stopping that virus, that's our goal! So come on everybody, we're getting the shot! It might hurt a little bit, just a little bit! This is actually, gimme that thing, gimme that, gimme gimme gimme gimme that thing! That's what it is. Yeah, okay, so I don't have to play the whole thing cuz we played the whole song we played the whole song what this is embarrassing Just keep playing it for another minute This vaccination is a great opportunity. Yeah, but here's what's interesting. There is kind of a subtext in here that we both missed. Okay. And it's that woman who starts the singing at the beginning. Play this, play the mini clip and this is what she does. Isn't that kind of like a sick mwahahahaha? What's that doing in there? Listen to that again, it's good.

22:34 You know, that's totally to freak kids out. It's like the evil scientist. Mwahahahaha! Mwahahahaha! Mwahahahaha! Mwahahahaha! Arbeit, Arbeit, Arbeit. Anyway. Cool. So instead of criticizing me for giving these clips, you should let me finish. Mwahahahaha! Mwahahahaha! That's my new favorite clip right there, man. You can, you're gonna have to cut the end of it off. Yeah. Mwahahahaha! That's sick. It is sick. That's what I was thinking. Now, uh... I love it. One more time. Hey kids, if you weren't scared now, watch this needle! Cool. Alright.

CHAPTER 12 / 34 Discussion

Shepard Smith Fox News Interview with Anti-Vaccine Nurse

Fox News anchor Shepard Smith conducted a contentious interview with a New York healthcare worker protesting mandatory H1N1 vaccinations. Smith defended the CDC's safety guidelines and criticized the nurse for questioning government health mandates. The segment is presented as evidence of a unified media narrative supporting government policy across different networks.

shepard smith· fox news· new york· nurses· h1n1 vaccine

23:25 Okay, now if you want it when you feel like enduring this Shepard Smith I finally had to bring this because I was audited and I said oh my god this yes We have to see something about this and this just reaffirms the theory that Fox News is run by the Democrats and let's just let's just reassert that Fox News as well as CNBC MSNBC CNN etc etc is all run by the Democrats It's all run from the same central. It's you know here's Rupert Murdoch sitting up in his in his sky tower sitting there with with Axelrod and Rahm Emanuel That's what they do all day

24:08 It's a straw man. But anyway, Shepard Smith comes out and he can't seem to ever really play the straw man. I mean, he's just he's he's more he's just he's just a I wouldn't say corporate stooge. He's like a he's a stooge for the government. And this is that interview he did with a health care worker. And I have a sub clip of this one too. because there's an element in there which he essentially, he's essentially lying during this interview. So what is this interview about? This is an interview about the women in New York that won't take the shot. The nurses, yes. The nurses. Also, there's also male nurses I'd like to point out. But yeah, okay.

24:48 Thank you for doing that. And he gets this woman on with his... and you know the thing that really bugs me about this guy is that he looks like a Southern Baptist preacher. Well, he's from New Orleans. Okay. Makes sense, right? Yeah, he's got that look. And I think he's a raging gay. Not be doesn't have that look I mean not that I care it just add some context it could be I mean I don't know and I don't care either, but it could be it wouldn't surprise me Let's put it that way, but let's play this this is a long clip So you're gonna have to interrupt it a lot with your observations. My favorite duty We're tracking h1n1 at Fox News and state health care workers in New York State

25:31 First of all, we're tracking it. It's just good enough right there. It's spreading like wildfire! We're tracking it! We have a couple of months to get the H1N1 vaccine and the seasonal flu vaccine or they'll be out of a job. What? It's an emergency regulation that's put into place, prompted, and it's prompted a protest really at the state capitol. The protest happened earlier today and here's the video from it. here's the controversy new york is at the moment anyway the only state to require this vaccine to protect patients from catching flu from their health care provider. Now wait a minute, I thought they had received a stay of execution on this. Yeah they did but this just predates that. Oh okay. This is more about his...

26:14 attitude. Okay. Which is the Fox attitude at the Stem level. Right, gotcha. We're from the government, you can trust us. There's a sub clip I have that instead of playing at it, I just want to remind people what he just said. He said some people have been complaining that the vaccine has not been fully tested and that they do not trust it. He says this, right? Yes. So this woman can reiterate that because that's kind of the premise. But listen to the direction this goes.

CHAPTER 13 / 34 Discussion

Debate Over CDC Authority and Vaccine Research Responsibility

The debate between Shepard Smith and a healthcare worker continues regarding the safety of fast-tracked H1N1 vaccines containing thimerosal. Smith argues that it is irresponsible for healthcare workers to discourage viewers from following CDC advice without conducting their own formal research. The hosts interpret Smith's aggressive stance as a "dick ending" intended to shut down legitimate dissent against government mandates.

cdc· shepard smith· vaccine safety· medical research· mandatory vaccination

27:08 In Arizona, health officials have sent four flu samples to the Centers for Disease Control for testing. It takes days to confirm whether these are actually swine flu. She's calling it H1N1 virus because that's the technical name of it. Everybody calls it swine flu, but she has the right name for it. And everybody's emailing going, the illegals are bringing it across the border. Relax! There's a flu out there. This is the wrong, this is the, this is the wrong, hmm. Did you change clips because this is now a different clip? That's what you, no yeah you said play the sub clip.

27:43 No, no, I said don't know. I'm sorry. We don't have to play the sub clip because the isn't this you just heard is fully tested thing But that clip which is a different clip. I want to play too, but after the main clip. I'm sorry here we go first in Poughkeepsie, New York and organized releases one of the organizers of the protests today in Albany, New York ma'am good to see you tell me why Why is it good to see her? Well, this is unbelievable. Tell me why. Tell me why it's good to see you. Well, I'm glad to be here. Yeah. Tell me why. Well, I'm really glad to be here John so I can play the wrong clips out of order. That's why I'm glad to be here John. Let me tell you we got this letter from our employer and it took us completely by surprise. They were telling us that Wow, okay. She's either told this story before or she's a media professional. She is not just some random person. She sounds good. She sounds real good. You know, you're gonna need to be getting

28:36 these seasonal flu shots and these H1N1 swine flu shots as a condition of our employment. Never before in my life has anyone told me as a condition of my employment, you know, that I need to be injected with agents that I don't necessarily feel comfortable being injected with. And that's how we all feel. There are very few in the workplace that are willing to you know just get in a line and say go for it but most of us just don't feel that it's safe. Nasty subcontext there, get in a line and say just go for it. Shades of World War II there. Well first of all now wait, is that you or is that Shepard Smith saying? Shepard Smith interrupting. I'm sorry.

29:19 It sounds like you. I keep getting freaked out. Well, thank you very much. I was trying to sound like Shepard Smith today. Is it Shepard Smith or John C. Dvorak? Mmm, read the book. I gotta get in here. CDC says it's safe. And before we and our parents and our children go stand in line and I'm gonna hear from healthcare workers in Poughkeepsie, New York that they don't think it's safe. Why the heck should I get in line? That sounds like a bad thing for the general population. I feel like we ought to trust the CDC on this and if not, why not? See, I hear how his southern accent comes out when he gets into that. I think it's a bad thing to be staying alive for that, right? Tell me how that works. Well, you know, when these drug companies will, you know,

29:58 will publicly state that they are not going to be liable for anything that happens to us when we take these vaccinations. When the makers of the drugs, you can go and see all over the media that they won't take it themselves, well why should I want to put that in my body? And that's the general argument. I thought the general argument was that you didn't want the government telling you anything that you can shoot into your body, which I sort of understand, except for the fact that children are required to have a lot of shots. Every child in the United States is, once you get into school. That is not true, is it? There's a few shots that you're supposed to get, yeah. No, but it says required. Yeah, there's a few required shots. By law required? I don't know, I think in some states, yes, I think diphtheria... Okay, in some states, but even that is... I don't think it's actually 100% required. Well, it's probably a good idea to get your polio vaccination. It's probably a good thing. Yeah, diphtheria is another one you don't want. Which is... they're related actually, I think.

31:01 I don't think so. But yeah, polio comes from that. It's like, you know, if there's some. All right. I'm not a doctor. You're right. You have to have it. He can't do the school. Well, Shepard, will you feel comfortable being told that you're going to lose your job potentially? I would you as a condition of your employment need to be having a fast tracked uh... drug i mean the fda does not have the best track record with by a lot of medications look at all the medications that have caused injury to people that came out and people said oh yeah these are safe these are affected they've been tested here we all know that this is a fast track medication on the contains the marisol contains mercury contains a lot of things that i'm afraid of the line much

31:45 I'm afraid that the CDC has gotten a vaccine together because they're afraid this flu is going to spread across America and kill a lot of people. and the health care workers in Albany, New York. No, no, I'm telling you, why don't we just be honest for a second? When the CDC comes out and says that, and then, I mean, I understood this, my understanding of your argument was that you didn't want the government telling you what to put in your body. I understood that. But this thing with you not really having direct knowledge of what's in this vaccine and then telling our viewers, some of whom might be very, very sick if they don't get this vaccine, I just don't feel like that's very responsible. There's a lot of information out there.

32:38 why he's going so far south with it but it actually gets worse and if you remember if people listen to the show a lot I had another Fox clip when Bill O'Reilly had the code pink woman on who had reasonable arguments about Afghanistan. He just told her to shut up. He told her to shut up. He told her to shut up and McChrystal knows what he's doing. It's like follow what the government says and where is this line and Fox how does that jive? Anyway let's... Out there that suggests that the swine flu in most people is a mild illness and that you will derive better immunity from a mild case in which your body produces the antibodies for. And it kills others.

33:19 You know, and the seasonal flu kills a lot of people every year. I know it does. I know it does. Well, I'm not here to... This is just sort of blindsided me. My understanding was that you didn't think the federal government ought to be telling you what you must shoot into your body. That I got. But you've done no research on this thing. The Centers for Disease Control has dozens and dozens and hundreds of dedicated dozens and dozens of hundreds of dozens of scores of lots of tons of people dedicated to do to checking people who the last thing in the world they want to do is hurt anybody

33:56 Whoa, I can hear the conspiracy bells ringing on that one. And I can't imagine a world where they would put something out that they knew was not necessarily safe and to have a healthcare worker who's not done a single bit of research on this particular vaccine to tell our viewers that it might be bad for them to me seems irresponsible. What do you think? Okay, so you suck ass. What do you think? That's exactly what he's saying. You're a horrible, horrible, horrible person. How dare you question the government? The CDC knows best. You are terrible. What do you think? Mr. Smith, it's presumptuous for you to tell me and all the health care workers that feel the same way that I do that we haven't done any research, that we haven't looked into this, that we've not done any reading. Have you? We have a lot. Yes, we have. So you think, based on your research, the vaccine that the CDC is going to put out to try to keep people from getting flu is bad for them? Well, you know, it's the C- Okay.

34:57 She's good, but then the minute you answer a question like that with, well, you know, that's weak. So Shepard Smith... Well, I don't think she was expecting to be attacked. It's a mistake a lot of people make on the show. Yeah, because it's Fox. She didn't think, she thought she was going to get, well you know, there you go, serves you right. But again, before we wind up this clip, this is exactly the point, the whole point of one central source running all media, left and right, CNN to MSNBC to Fox, is to create this controversy

CHAPTER 14 / 34 Discussion

Vaccine Testing Protocols and Media Control Narratives

The discussion shifts to the lack of inert placebo testing in FDA-approved vaccine trials, which critics argue makes it difficult to verify efficacy and safety. The hosts suggest that media controversies, such as the Shepard Smith interview, are orchestrated entertainment designed to distract the public while government agendas are implemented.

fda· placebo· vaccine testing· media controversy· h1n1

35:32 While we're all bickering and Shepard Smith and this woman and it's great entertainment, meanwhile the agenda just keeps on rolling out. That's the whole point. It's entertainment. It's the World Wrestling Federation or what is it now? WWE? World Wrestling Entertainment. Yeah. That's what it is. It's just entertainment. Just meant to be there between the commercials to give you something to do before we inject you with some messages. The seasonal flu vaccine, the issue with that being a problem is that they're forcing it on us as a condition of our employment. That was a voluntary situation. Okay, now that was the argument that I thought was fine. And I'm going to just let that argument go. But to be telling the CDC with absolutely no information, if you have it, please send it to us and I'll retract it.

36:18 But if you don't have research which says this thing is bad for you, then to tell our viewers as a healthcare worker that it is, I think is irresponsible. Another part about the vaccine industry is that, and this is proven, and you can look at it, all these drug companies show what tests they've done. They don't actually test with a placebo in their testing. So, they test maybe 600 or even if they tested 6,000 people, they see if there's any adverse effects. What they don't do is see if it actually works and try that in a blind test with a number of people with a placebo because that's not required by the FDA for vaccinations. And for that reason... Take that, Shepard Smith. Great respect. I wouldn't want the government telling me what to put in my body either.

37:06 You know what, as long as that body's nowhere near my body, Shepard, I'm okay. A lot of people have been injured by vaccines, Mr. Smith. I'm aware of this, but I don't think this is responsible and as a result we're going to end it here. Good luck with your protest. And that's what the commissioner would like to say. Thank you very much. You're welcome. Look, I thought this was about the government telling people... I thought this was about the... Is he angry at his producer or did he... he must have known about this. I have no idea. Yeah, he must have known. But he had to be backing up just a little bit so he can get this this this horrible dick ending. Okay, dick ending.

37:44 The government telling you what you can and can't shoot in your body. That's what this segment is supposed to be about. And if I had known that a health care worker who doesn't have the research is going to say that the CDC is wrong and that this vaccine is going to hurt you, I wouldn't have let it on the air. All right? That's it. So here we go. Like he controls what's on the air. That's funny. Well, this is, this is, so this goes along with the best headline from CNN. H1N1 spreading as supply of vaccine grows. I mean like, duh. The vaccine contains the virus, you dipshits. That's the entire point. And while we're on big pharma, and I'll just close out the Swine Flu Minute here. So Mickey and I were watching television this week.

CHAPTER 15 / 34 Discussion

Pharmaceutical Product Placement in House TV Episode

A two-hour special episode of the television show "House" is analyzed as an extended commercial for the antidepressant Pristik. The plot involves the protagonist eventually deciding to take his medication to recover his medical license, followed immediately by a strategically placed advertisement for the drug. The hosts characterize this as a coordinated effort to promote pharmaceutical compliance.

house md· pristik· pfizer· product placement· antidepressants

38:33 And she actually blogged about this on her weblog, mickeysays.com. And it's a special, and this is Fox, a special two-hour episode of House. And did you see it by any chance John? No. Okay, so this is like a season kickoff or whatever and House is addicted to Vicodin and he's in the nut house. Oh no, I did see this. This was a, yeah. Okay, so the whole, in a nutshell, this episode is about him not taking his meds Right because of course he doesn't believe in them He's just trying to fix whatever's going on with his head But he can't get his his license back to practice medicine unless the the warden there signs off and says that he's been cured So he doesn't take his meds and this is a two-hour special

39:23 And then all of a sudden, a whole bunch of things happen. He breaks down and he decides to take his meds. Boom! The first commercial we get after that scene is for Pristik, anti-depression medicine. But listen, it gets worse. Then we come back and the episode, it's a two-hour special. It goes all the way through and the moral of the story is not only does House get better because of his meds, but he has to continue taking his meds But then as he's leaving, his buddy, this rapper dude who was also messed up, he decides that he's also going to take his meds. And there was only one pharma ad right in the middle.

40:02 Strategically placed at the moment house the hero that the man of the hours decides that it's better to take his meds I mean you it was a two-hour commercial for pristine Have you seen that commercial with you know the mother's like I'm feeling down and she's in the yard with her kids playing You know and they're playing there if the family is all beautiful, but she's down and she's depressed and she needs something to keep her going and It was just unbelievable, unbelievable. Two hour commercial for Pristik, strategically placed. If you were, what company is that one? Which is the pharma company, you know? It's probably... Let's see. Pristik. It's P-R-I-S-T-I-Q is what it is. Yeah, I got it. I have no idea who makes it.

41:07 It's done by, oh there's a great website with, isn't it Eli Lilly? Oh the website is terrific, it's got a big flash animation of some pathetic woman. Yeah that's it, that's the commercial, that's the wind up commercial. The wind up doll. Yeah that is the commercial. The woman looks like a psycho. She looks like Meryl Streep playing a psycho. Yes she does. And then she's just staring at this doll like she's gonna bite its head off. But if you take your meds, you too can be like House. Oh yes, ladies and gentlemen, take your meds! That's the formula we use, take your meds! Our formula is this. We go out, we hit people in the mouth.

CHAPTER 16 / 34 Discussion

Ukraine Viral Pneumonia Outbreak and Baxter International

The Ukraine is experiencing a severe outbreak of an unidentified viral pneumonia, leading to travel restrictions and a ban on large crowds. The hosts reference claims by biologist Joseph Moshe that Baxter International's laboratory in the Ukraine was involved in creating biological weapons. Reports indicate the illness causes lungs to fill with blood, leading some to label it a "hemorrhagic flu."

ukraine· baxter international· joseph moshe· viral pneumonia· hemorrhagic flu

41:51 Yeah, it's effective. So the drug is from Wyeth and if you click on their link it goes right to the parent company Pfizer. Oh yeah, Pfizer. Okay, it had to be one of those. It's only a couple left. They're all eating each other. Will say Actually, I did close out the the swine flu minute, but in the Ukraine. There's some crazy shit going on if you've been following this No, okay, so the Ukraine first of all has a whole bunch of problems They've got a political problem where they have the prime minister and the president literally fighting for control internally and then this I think there's like 60 million people in the Ukraine, you know, it's not it's not insignificant and

42:34 This is the fight between Yoshishchenko and Kuchachenko. The woman who looks like Princess Leia, she's got that hair kind of wound up. All hot by the way. All the women in the Ukrainian government are totally milfy awesome. So the problem is that Russia is threatening to turn off their gas supply because they can't pay the bill. Russia is threatening to turn off their water supply because they can't pay the bill. The IMF is really pissed off with them because they won't take money from the IMF. Instead, they're inflating the money supply. So there's a lot of shit going on in the Ukraine. All of a sudden, boom, this weekend,

43:14 Red alert, red alert, red alert, locking down Ukraine. Some horrible virus, some viral pneumonia is being spread. And people are dropping like flies. And here and there it's like, oh this is swine flu. And people are saying, no, no, this is not swine flu. But here's what's kind of crazy about it. Bloomberg reported in February, of course, you'll remember our friends Baxter International, where they slipped some live avian flu into the seasonal flu and mixed it up, right?

43:52 Yeah. Well, Joseph, remember Joseph Moshe? This is the guy who was trying to warn for the vaccinations and they got him in LA and they tased him and tear gassed him in his car because they said he was trying to blow up the White House? Right, yes, we covered that thoroughly. Okay. A classic by the way. Right, of course, and he was actually a biologist, right? He knew exactly what stuff was going on. Back in... I'm trying to find... August, he claimed that Baxter's laboratory in the Ukraine, okay? They have a laboratory in the Ukraine, links in the show notes at noagendashow.com to their actual website. You can see that Baxter International has a lab in the Ukraine. He said that they were creating a biological weapon. That's what this guy said? That's what Moshi said, yeah.

44:52 And I've got links to all of this stuff. Actually, Ukraine has 46 million inhabitants, sorry. So it's huge. So I think that either Baxter had an accident Or they've done it once again and they've let something nasty out, really really nasty. I mean there's travel restrictions, the whole place is shut down literally. Yeah, all the stories are pretty much the same, unidentified flu outbreak. Yeah, and it's not H1N1, no, it's unidentified. Well why can't they identify it? Because it's some new hybrid shit that Baxter International either accidentally let out or on purpose. And just think of all of the stuff that's going on there. It's a very important region. Ukraine is still, you know, there's a lot of reasons to have some control over the Ukraine. And by the way, let's use the word outbreak again. That really helps. So there's some, so that is not really a part of the swine flu minute, but you probably won't see this reported.

45:52 In many places. I got this, this is like here's a news summary from UkraineTV.com. It's funny because they just consolidated two stories. Reporter, beware! In Ukraine, a new viral pneumonia that causes death. Beware! In Ukraine, a new viral pneumonia that causes death. In Kiev, the priest raped women. What? That's what I'm just reading from this. Nice. Okay. So this is the kind of stuff that we're following and you will not see this on Fox News. While Shepard Smith is yelling at some poor woman who's trying to make a point, we're actually, you know, like scanning the real news. And not as some people would say, reading headlines. No, if we're reading headlines it would sound like this. It would sound like, here's the paper, I'm reading a headline. No, these are not headlines. These are far from it. We brought you the Moshi story.

CHAPTER 17 / 34 Discussion

Speculation on Mutated Swine Flu and Vaccine Adjuvants

Speculation arises that the vicious flu outbreak in the Ukraine may be a mutated strain of H1N1. The hosts suggest that this "hemorrhagic" version of the virus will be used as a justification to add squalene or other adjuvants to vaccines globally. They predict a surge in donations if these stronger vaccine components are mandated.

squalene· adjuvants· h1n1· hemorrhagic· mutated strain

46:47 Ukraine's banning large crowds. What? Ukraine? Yeah. Oh yeah. This shit is being shut down, man. It's interesting because they call it... The Ukraine has... This may be a beginning. Listen to this. The Ukraine has banned large crowds due to an outbreak of particularly vicious swine flu. Yeah, and who's reporting that? Okay, well here you go. Can I throw a theory at you? So now we have this particularly vicious swine flu which of course is a mutated strain which is a kind of viral pneumonia. Time for the adjuvants! We need to up our dosage! We need stronger vaccine! It's coming. You can just wait. You can count on it. You know what? This week, no one please do not donate any money to this show.

47:40 I want you to just keep your money in your PayPal account. Don't send us anything. Do not send us money. But the minute you hear that squalene is going to be added or some other form of an adjuvant to the H1N1 vaccines, then you send us $5,000 per person. Another one. Hemorrhagic. Now this is interesting because these guys are calling it hemorrhagic flu. viral pneumonia in the Ukraine. Hemorrhagic? How do you spell that for me? H-E-M-O-R-R-H-A-G-I-T. That means, you know, it means it's you hemorrhage, you bleed. A dynamically updated map showing epidemic spread. 2,000 cases of unknown virus 2033 have died with lungs filled with blood.

48:28 Is this H1N1 swine flu or something entirely new? Many doctors believe that it is in fact H1N1. Here it comes, here it comes. We're going to be rich men, John. We're going to have so much money from all these people when the adjuvants are added because of this horrible hemorrhagic. That's H1, the H for hemorrhagic. H1N1, hemorrhagic one, neurological one. That's what it is. It's so clear to me. Mickey, did you just sigh? So, um, what else can you find? Honey, are you okay? What else can you find there, John? This is crazy. It's not a good story. It's a really bad story. It's a good story to follow because this is a bit... Now we're following, we're tracking it. Yes. Because Fox won't. They're too busy tracking, you know, healthcare workers who won't take their shot. I just find it distressing.

CHAPTER 18 / 34 Discussion

Canadian Media Coverage of Vaccine Shortages

Canadian news outlets, specifically the CBC, are reported to be using subtle propaganda to drive vaccine demand. Coverage focuses on long lines of citizens desperate for the H1N1 shot and expressing fear over potential shortages. The hosts compare these media tactics to the promotion of a blockbuster movie release.

cbc· canada· vaccine shortage· media propaganda· public health

49:31 Yeah, we can't go turn on any news. In fact, I was just watching the Canadian news. I tried to get a clip off of it, but I don't have this right. They're even worse, man. The Canadians are just terrible. They just are pushing this really as hard as, I mean, with a much more subtle, more like the British, it's kind of a subtle thing. Oh, well, there's going to be long lines. In fact, all the news reports up here, watching the CBC, are showing, you know, So most of the stories are the same. They show a real long line of people, huge line, I mean around the block you'd think it's a Star Wars movie. Is it the line for This Is It by Michael Jackson or is it the line for the swine flu vaccine? And so then the woman comes out with her microphone, she goes from person to person, she says, I've been in line for hours and I don't think I'm going to get this shot because they're running out.

50:19 And I need it so badly. I need the shot the person she's needs the shot. That's in you know I'm thinking wow this is unbelievable. Well hey Hey, you even did an a All right, we're track we're tracking this and and we want you to help us do that please donate to this program Go to no agenda show.com or no Dvorak org slash na Who was our executive producer again this week John Philip Evans in Las Vegas? Fill in Las Vegas, Nevada Yes, Philip Evans with a few other people that gave us some money highly appreciated every donation is appreciated by the way But I'm really gonna love the $5,000 that are gonna come in which by the way makes you a priest of the no agenda church priest

CHAPTER 19 / 34 Discussion

Listener Donations and No Agenda Hollow Books

The hosts acknowledge various listener donations, including a contribution from James at FreeHollowBooks.com, who created a custom "No Agenda" bookcase. Other donors include Zama Kohai from Japan, Powell Rogalinsky from Germany, and Liam Hemmings from the UK. The segment emphasizes the "value-for-value" model and encourages listeners to empty their PayPal accounts to support the show.

free hollow books· japan· germany· paypal· listener donations

51:07 And we'll give you a certificate. We'll actually make one. Hey John, how's all that going man? The calligraphy? You're doing crap. We don't even have a joint bank account. This is bullcrap. We do have a joint bank account. You're not... you are lazy. You know what? You are just a lazy man. I'm old. Let me just mark that one. Perfect. Okay, here we go. Ready? Yeah. Okay, James at freehollowbooks.com. Freehollowbooks. I wonder what they sell. Well, go look it up. He says there's a special no agenda bookcase that they just did. He's in Patton City, West Virginia, home of the Mountaineers. Oh, that's... It's handmade pieces of art. Oh, that's beautiful.

51:53 That's freeholobooks.com. He gave us $51.50, which is the indication of the insane. Zama Kohai, I think it's Z-A-M-A, Zama Kohai gave us $50 and this is, I believe, our first contributor from Toshimaka, Japan. Excellent. By the way, John, the freeholobooks.com, they make books that you can put... so it's like... you know how you used to cut out a book to put something in there? So these are pre-made books? Oh, this is where you can stash stuff. Yeah, like there's a picture here with a book with your gun in it. Perfect! Cool! I want to see the No Agenda... where does it say? I don't see the No Agenda book. You're going to have to make him send us some email. I'm sorry. I'm just loving this. This is awesome. How much did he donate? $51.50. All right, $51.50. Here, Reader's Digest.

52:49 Inspired by the guys from the no agenda podcast what is this. Okay since hollow books featuring such titles as the day the world ended perfect. Okay cool i feel proud. Alright okay james cindy use the no agenda piggy bank. For the night layaway. No, no. They just sent a 6116, which is a palindrome. She's there from St. Lucie, Florida. Powell, or Powell, depends on how you want to pronounce it, Rogalinsky,

53:38 Rogelinsky gave us 5272. He's from Munchen or better known as Munich, Germany. And he said that this 5272 is an odd number because it's the leftover money in his PayPal account. He thought it was a great idea. Our other listener says if you got some money in your PayPal account, you never use this thing, you hate PayPal or whatever, send it to us. Send it all. Just empty that sucker out. Close it out. That's right. Then again we have Phillip Evans, our producer. Liam Hemmings in Buckinghamshire, 75 bucks and he wants a weekly wine recommendation.

54:21 I can give a couple. Kevin McCloud in Green Bay, Wisconsin says he gave us five bucks. It's actually donations 50, but he says he gave us five bucks and five bucks each for nine freeloaders. Oh, that's cool. That's that. I appreciate that. So some of you out there should feel really guilty. You're free loading pieces of crap. Derek Bennett. That's in Sterling, Virginia, gave us $69.85 and that's it for this week. Really? That's all we got? Yeah, that's all we got. We need to get more. Yes. Go to Dvorak.org slash NA or noagendashow.com. You know what? For those of you that have kids, alright, you give your kid an allowance. Stop giving the kid the allowance and give it to us. Alright? It's going to save your kid at the end of the day.

CHAPTER 20 / 34 Discussion

San Francisco Bay Bridge Closure and Caltrans Criticism

The San Francisco Bay Bridge remains closed following structural issues, leading to criticism of Caltrans for poor management and infrastructure decisions. Concerns are raised regarding the quality of subpar steel imported from China for the new bridge span. The hosts discuss the high cost of the project compared to historical bridge construction in the area.

bay bridge· caltrans· san francisco· chinese steel· infrastructure

55:16 That's how you're able to pay for this stuff. Five bucks, five bucks a month is all it takes. You should be ashamed of yourself for not paying us. So the thing is that I look at it as a parking meter. You know in San Francisco, we're next to the MeVeo offices. It costs for five minutes, it costs 25 cents. Yeah, I know you have to load the meter up and by the time you put your last quarter in the first five minutes Is gone and there's so much money coming in I see the parking dude out there every single day emptying the meters because it could mean if you parked there You got it. You've got to bring 50 bucks worth of quarters. It's the whole meter fills up. He's out there every single day

55:55 emptying the meters. By the way, the bridge which we talked about on last Sunday even, the Bay Bridge, still closed. And so two things, one I predict it will be closed for the rest of this week at least. No. Yes. And why does no one speak of terrorism? How come there's not one single report that says, hey, maybe these are terrorists trying to like mess with our bridges? Are you referring to Caltrans? Yeah, they are known as the true terrorists of the Bay Area, aren't they? I haven't lived here long enough to exactly know what they're all about, but I hear people complaining about them big time. What's going on with them? They used to be one of the great public agencies in the United States. There's all kinds of very strict rigid rules on how to build roads and highways and how to do off-ramps and how to make... They're the ones who are pretty much behind the cloverleaf approach.

56:51 and over the years they've been taken over by i don't know who but it did their baking bonehead decisions allowing stupid uh... things to be built uh... leaving bottlenecks all over the place having all kinds of you know you go on a seventy mile an hour road news that turn off that's on the left in the fast lane so you have an old woman moving over to the you do a forty five miles an hour in the fastest lane so she can get off the damn road all these kinds of things and now they'd doing this ridiculous bridge across the uh... but it's not even a new bridge a buddy building up sensibly a whole new span to tear down an old manages as good as it was you know to before the earthquake and it could last probably another fifty years for all we know but they got carried out and some of the senate has the bookmarked a billions and billions of dollars essentially this news stupid spander putting up which is resulted in all these problems is costing more than the entire san francisco oakland bay bridge cost plus the golden gate bridge in today's dollars

57:46 John C. DuBois All I gotta do is get you started on something like that because you take that bridge every day, right? I'd be afraid I don't trust him and it's in you know, and the Everyone warned it back to 2004 everyone warned about this steel that they were using from China They were they're saying in man that shit subpar they were warning about it the irony of course being that a lot of that steel is from the the World Trade Centers when they when they mysteriously melted so we have that was shipped off to China I think a lot of the steel from China is probably better than the steel from India which I suspect is what we're using well no if you look at I did some of the research and if you look at all the stories going back to 2004 there were all there was all these warnings from engineers etc don't use the Chinese steel don't use the Chinese steel it's not good I'm just saying

CHAPTER 21 / 34 Discussion

Microchip Implants Depicted in Numbers TV Series

An episode of the television drama "Numbers" features a plot point where a scientist is tracked via a microchip implanted without her knowledge during a swine flu vaccination. The hosts discuss this as a form of "media assassination" or predictive programming, conditioning the public to accept the idea of government-mandated tracking devices.

numbers tv show· microchips· swine flu shots· tracking· pentagon

58:45 Don't take the red tabs. Here's a Don't Eat the Brown Acid. A friend of ours, a producer in Gitmo Nation East, he's Russian, his name is Alex, he sends us, he's in some kind of finance gig over there and he's always got the inside track on all the trading scams, etc. But he sent something out of character for him and I liked it a lot. He sent us a clip, a media assassination clip. There's this series called Numbers. Have you watched this, John? Yeah. What is the premise of Numbers? Because I'm not familiar with it. Well, the premise has actually changed a little bit since the show began because it really has not been as successful as they would have hoped. It's kind of a crazy idea. It's a cop show. It's another cop drama. And behind the original premise is that one of the

59:36 consultants quote-unquote to the did all the cop shows by the way nowadays that will to have consultants I mean the mentalist is a consultant the castle is a kind of a consultant but he's a kind of a hangar on writer there's all this idea of a consultant a monk was that I think started this trend so you had these guys they couldn't really be cops but they could be consultants and in the number show this guy is a mathematical genius and he can see kind kind of seen numbers and everything and he can kind of uh... we analyze things based on you know some sort of statistical world view that nobody else can achieve but it's only used to start with the get me a ship hyper nerdy and uh... anti-social now he's like one of the boys that you can't be a little smarter than the rest of the team so on the most recent house from the most recent episode of numbers several pieces shocked our friend alex

1:00:30 One of the... shocked he says. One of the characters was a representative from the Pentagon Division 44 and well listen to this. This is the future of how your government will track you. What are you doing? Please stand by. Again with the invisible cell phone. Floyd, this better be useful. Oh, yes it is very useful and if I may say quite unexpected. FBI! Open the door! So they're tracking down this person. I want to see IDs! Cynthia Abbott? What if I am? It's not illegal to stay in a hotel without telling anybody. Oh my god, how bad is this acting, dude? How'd you know she was here? Well, she's a scientist with expertise in plasma physics, employed by a firm with government contracts for classified weaponry. She's been implanted with a microchip so that she can be located at any time.

1:01:35 And how he says it she's been implanted with a microchip so she can be located at any time Microchip are you serious do I appear not to be serious? No, you appear to be a really shitty actor. She has a locator in her why she tried to hide the microchip was implanted without her knowledge oh While she was receiving the swine flu shots, she received the microchip without her knowledge. So, um, my son, JC had an interesting comment. That's the smart one, right? He's the one with the college degree. So I'm not gonna have to eat any more crap if I'm making that comment.

CHAPTER 22 / 34 Discussion

Generational Attitudes Toward GPS Tracking and ID

A host shares an anecdote about his son's perspective on tracking technology, suggesting that younger generations (ages 16-25) may find microchip implants "cool" for social features like Google Locator. This shift in attitude could lead to the end of fake IDs and traditional privacy, as constant location sharing becomes normalized through backpacks and mobile devices.

gps· google locator· fake id· privacy· youth culture

1:02:27 uh... yes he uh... it said that he's not allowed to listen what is he doing listening to the show thank jc turn off your radio i'm sure is not listening but anyway with the point is is that he said since you know you guys got this implant uh... are fighting all wrong is not the way the kids are thinking about it and i said we're we talking about he said we all think he's speaking for an entire generation apparently since the smart one yeah from eighteen to And he's probably not that old. I'd say maybe 16 to 25. He says we all think could be very cool Of course It's very cool because then it's like it's like the Google locator. You can see where all your friends are that yeah Walking and out of stores and they can you know get charged and you don't to do anything you want to show ID Of course, they love it. Of course, you won't be able to do fake IDs either JC no drinking for you, sonny boy

1:03:29 He's already old enough so... Is he what? He's over 21? Yeah. Really? And he just graduated college and he's the smart one? What year do you think people graduate college at? I don't know, 19, 20? You graduate high school in the United States at 18. Oh really? I didn't realize. So 22 is typical, I think he's 23, 24, something like that. Anyway, so they think it'd be cool. I think it'd be kind of distressing to be honest about it. But they could always find you. Yeah, it's... well, you know, they've got all kinds of GPS locators for kids now that clip onto their backpack. You know, we're all being conditioned and set up for this. It makes a lot of sense. I'm down with the whole idea. I get it.

CHAPTER 23 / 34 Discussion

GDP Growth Analysis and Government Stimulus Programs

The U.S. Commerce Department reported a 3.5% increase in GDP, but analysis suggests this growth was artificially inflated by government stimulus programs. Specifically, "Cash for Clunkers" and incentives for durable goods like refrigerators drove temporary spending. The hosts argue that these numbers are not sustainable once the subsidies expire.

gdp· commerce department· cash for clunkers· durable goods· economic stimulus

1:04:17 Alright, so what are the there was some other topic I wanted to discuss then let me give you one topic all right? Well you while you ponder your old brain The GDP numbers came out And of course our presidential administration made a big deal about the economy is coming back. It's 3.5% increase in GDP. This is awesome, fantastic. We're coming around. Of course there's still no... Jobs, jobs, jobs and jobs. Let's vote for jobs. So still no jobs and I'm like well this doesn't make sense and

1:04:59 You know, I took it upon myself to go to the Bureau, well it's the Commerce Department. Bureau of Labor Statistics? No, no, it's the actual office of the government that releases this information is the Commerce Agency, whatever the hell it is, it's like BEC or whatever. So you can download the PDF and you look at this, the first thing you want to say is, okay, give me to the head now because I can't read these tables. But when you actually look at it, it's really easy to understand. Everything is almost flat or negative like clothing and shoe wear which is tracked.

1:05:48 It's actually called shoe wear. I think it's clothing and shoes, which of course is huge in the United States normally. That's really how you can see if people have money to spend. But what do you think contributes for three, for about, well of course there's a lot of negative numbers. So the two biggest positive numbers are pretty simple to think of, John. Can you guess what they might be? Medical? No. Well medical is up, is certainly, or What's up is services for your home, so electricity, gas and home heating oil, but that sucks. You can say it's positive for the economy, it's not because you're paying for it. Healthcare is what they call it. Healthcare is also up, obviously it's up. But where was the real spending? What did we really spend our money on? Bankers. No.

1:06:41 We spent our money on vehicles and durable goods. The exact two categories that billions of dollars were poured into to actually stimulate and jack up the numbers. We had cash for clunkers and we had the cash for refrigerators. Remember that? So of course people went out and they bought cars and vehicle finances are also up. This is great, but now that the cash for clunkers, these of course are trailing numbers, now that cash for clunkers has gone away, it's not going to be sustained. It's gone. It's done.

CHAPTER 24 / 34 Discussion

Carry Trade Scams and Global Market Crash Predictions

Economist Nouriel Roubini predicts a potential global market crash caused by the "carry trade," where banks borrow US dollars at near-zero interest to invest in higher-yield assets or gold. As the dollar eventually strengthens, these short positions will be squeezed, potentially leading to another systemic financial crisis and further bank bailouts.

roubini· carry trade· tarp· us dollar· goldman sachs

1:07:17 blip and they're making the other totally jacking it up making it sound like it's some big freaking deal where it's not if you know if you incentivize people to go buy a new car by giving them five grand five grand in incentives to get rid of your old car and they're giving huge rebates on refrigerators dishwashers let me ask this question then does it make sense to you that The billions and billions and billions and billions of dollars that went to the bank, shouldn't that just have been plowed right back into the economy the same way the cash for clinicals was and then get these numbers to last a little longer and maybe pick things up? You know what, it's even worse. It's even worse than that. You know the guy Rubini? He's the one guy who actually everyone agrees with that he accurately predicted the huge credit crunch of 2007 and 2008.

1:08:07 Right, you remember this guy as the economist. So here's what he's saying now He's saying that what has taken place is because all these bankers have received all of these trillions of dollars What they're doing now and this is how tarp works This is the largest cat what they call carry trade in history So you can effectively borrow money as a bank from the United States government from the Treasury and from via the Fed and Which is our money John you and I the money we don't get from our producers You know the little pittance we get we have to pay it spend at least 50% to go to bankers

1:08:45 They are borrowing that at almost 0% to borrow the money, but because the dollar is actually going down, it's a capital gain. If you just borrowed money, if you were allowed to and able to, if you were Goldman Sachs or JP Morgan and you had borrowed money last week, you would already have a gain on that if you borrowed it in dollars and went over and bought some euros for it or bought some gold for it or anything else. So what's happening now is everyone is essentially shorting the US dollar. And you know what happens with a short if all of a sudden that stock, in this case the US dollar, goes up again, which it's going to, then everyone's going to get squeezed and then we're going to see every single market crash around the world. That's what Ubini is predicting and I think I have to agree with him. And that would be a bad thing?

1:09:39 Well, it depends. It would be a bad thing. No, I'll tell you why. It would only be a bad thing if then all of a sudden little Timmy Geithner comes along and says, well, we need another trillion dollars to go and bail out the banks because there's all this systemic risk. Yeah, that would be a bad thing. Then we'd be totally hosed. If we just let it all come crashing down, you know, then it'll suck. But at least it'll have happened. Get it over with. It's just kind of like sitting at the dentist. You know you're gonna get your teeth drilled. Just stick the fucking thing in already. Just do it. Well, we need Adam Curry's pet peeve of the day. Hello? Yeah, well, um... I don't know if that went anywhere. What do you... Why did you... Did your voice go up an octave when I'm starting to make sense? Did it go up an octave again? You think?

CHAPTER 25 / 34 Discussion

Afghanistan Election Turmoil and Abdullah Abdullah Withdrawal

Abdullah Abdullah has officially dropped out of the Afghan presidential race against Hamid Karzai, citing concerns over election integrity. The hosts speculate that his withdrawal was coerced to stabilize the political situation ahead of a planned U.S. troop surge of 40,000 soldiers. They characterize Karzai as a CIA-backed figurehead.

afghanistan· abdullah abdullah· hamid karzai· cia· troop surge

1:10:35 It hasn't changed at all. No, you're right. It hasn't changed at all. I mean in my from my perspective. Yeah, meanwhile in Afghanistan Now we're getting to real news. Abdullah Abdullah who was the only real contender for the Unicall CIA shill, Harmad Karzai and his restaurateur CIA paid brother. Yeah, wait let me guess. He's probably giving him a real fight to the end to become the head honcho. Yeah he's dropping out. He's dropping out because of course he had a little visit from Rumsfeld or someone like that or maybe Gates or one of these other dudes. Hey man, you like your life? You better drop out of this race because we need to send 40,000 troops in to go harvest the poppies my friend. We can't have you messing all this shit up. So he's officially dropped out. Well let me get this straight.

1:11:34 This doesn't make any sense to me because they went through the trouble of negating the other election that he was involved in if I'm not mistaken. Probably for his benefit and then he drops out after we went through all this trouble? Would you please call me back? I can't take you seriously when you sound like Tattoo. Now I sound normal again? Yes you do. I find it distressing that Skype is doing this to me. It's not Skype, it's your crappy ass connection up there. Maybe.

1:12:11 So, um, well let's go back and cut that thing out. I'm not cutting anything out, it's hilarious. You're gonna have that big blank space where I called you back? It takes two seconds. It doesn't bore people. They listen to... You know what, the only thing that's lame is that people who listen to the show on double speed anyway, then they won't be able to hear you. Because you're already at double speed when you're... It's like that Star Trek episode where they're running at, you know, hyper speed. Yeah. Why do I know that? Alright, so I don't know so Yeah, yeah, it's a scam. What are we gonna do about it? I think we should just leave Where are we gonna go? Where are we gonna go? That's the question. There's no there's no place to hide We might as well just sit here and fight it out. So um these bastards from the Transbay Joint Power Authority They had like remember I told you they had this huge problem. Oh the phones ringing. Oh

CHAPTER 26 / 34 Discussion

San Francisco Construction Noise and Laser Pointer Retaliation

A host describes an ongoing conflict with the Transbay Joint Power Authority over early-morning construction noise in San Francisco. After failed attempts to involve the police or building inspectors, the host recounts using a high-powered laser pointer to scare away crows and considers chaining himself to construction equipment in protest.

san francisco· noise pollution· transbay joint power authority· laser pointer· pigeons

1:13:12 Keep going with your story. Would you like to answer it? Or maybe you got something more important to do? Here's one for John. Because it will not put seniors in a position of being put to death by their government. Okay, you done? Yeah. So, um, you know, and I've been complaining everywhere. The cops don't show up anymore when I complain because there's a city ordinance not before 7am and not after 8pm. No construction. That's it. No construction. So the Transbay doesn't call me back anymore, the police don't show up anymore, so now I've sent letters to the Department of Building Inspection who actually hand out these permits. Well, I guess how much response I've gotten from them, zero. So here's what I'm thinking I'm doing. Have you gone to the mayor's office yet? God, you went up an octave again, that sucks.

1:14:10 No, I have not gone to the mayor's office. The mayor's got his own shit. He just dropped out of the race for governor and he's freaking out. They're not going to give a shit about me. You know they're not. So I think I have to fight fire with oil. And here's my plan. I figure if these guys can make noise pollution, I can make light pollution. Would you agree? I don't know what that means. Call me back, John. I can't listen to you. I can't listen to you. This is horrible. Yeah, wait when he comes back. We'll play a nice little clip for him. Let's say let's test the sound again You sound like you always do perfect so I have a direct line of sight to all this construction if those guys think that they can mess with my sound I Have the world's most powerful laser pointer

1:15:08 Oh, yeah, you're gonna just get yourself thrown in jail. Is that illegal to use a laser pointer? Yes. Oh, really? Far as I know. What do you mean? It's illegal to use a laser pointer. If you're pointing it at people. I won't point it at people. I'll just kind of like give a nice little laser show. And by the way, is it actually forbidden by law to point a laser at someone? I would look into it. There's probably a city ordinance against it. Let's see. California laser law. Come on Google. Yeah, you can't point it at a jet airliner, which I agree is probably not a good idea. I'll tell you though, that thing works like a charm. We have our oatmeal and granola, our pigeon kids who are about ready to fly.

1:15:54 And yesterday morning, so the parents, so they're kind of out of the nest. They haven't flown yet, but the parents can't sit on top of them anymore because they're too big. And so Fred and Ginger, their parents, they hang around, but sometimes they go off for food because now they're off the dove, the pigeon milk that they feed through their glands and they're actually regurgitating in their mouths. So it's kind of like a real bird thing. And I hear at 7 in the morning yesterday, I hear, crow, crow, crow. I'm like, oh crap, it's that crow. And this crow is huge. I mean, this is like the crow that brought down that seagull at your place the other day. Huge crow. So I grabbed the laser pointer, I run down, this crow is sitting right on the ledge looking at him. I blast him with a laser pointer. Man, I've never seen a crow be so freaked out in his life. He went, he flew off.

1:16:44 He did. Yeah, oh yeah. Oh yeah, this thing, you don't want to mess with my laser pointer. Oh, this sounds like a good way to get, to freak crows out. Mm-hmm. That hasn't been back since then. Interesting. Uh, so... No, you have to use a scarecrow, but they only work for a while. The crows get a clue. They're very smart birds. I'll tell you that the... By the way, it turned out to be a golden eagle that took down this eagle. Oh. Uh, Laser Weapons International Law... I don't think there are any laws yet. I mean, I have a good chance of getting hit in the mouth by the construction guys, but I don't think it's illegal. So the other thing I thought is I could chain myself to the equipment. Now that's more like it. It's an auto-op. Yeah, exactly. It's just I gotta get everything set up so we can get the Chronicle out here and get the... maybe I'd chain myself naked. Maybe Nikki and I are... Mickey and I are both chained naked to the equipment.

1:17:48 Now I will take a picture of that. That I can sell to the Dutch press. I gotta do something. I'm at my wits end. I don't know what to do. I can't sleep. I have quality of life rights. They're taking them away from me. Well, I think you gotta go to the mayor's office, then you gotta go to your specific councilman, and then you have to document all this stuff and you say, what is wrong with these people? And you gotta put this list, the cops don't respond to calls. What kind of police department is that? The other guys just start, what time are they starting to crank it up now?

1:18:28 Well, the other day I told you they had the emergency. Basically what you're telling me is that they have these ordinances in the city of San Francisco and they don't enforce them selectively. Correct. Yeah. That's exactly right. And it sucks. But it's illegal. Yeah, but no one seems to care. Well, why do they have the law in the first place? They did care for a few minutes when you first started to complain. Yeah, they don't care. Did you get the business cards of the cops who stopped by? Yeah, but Cliff was a nice guy and all, but he was a total idiot. I mean, you're like, oh, really? Oh, there's work going on here? Oh, it's no good. Hey, if you're out of a job, there's hope. You know that the Army is now recruiting 30,000 people for civilian jobs? Yeah, I think part of this downturn is all part of beefing up the Army.

CHAPTER 27 / 34 Discussion

Northwest Airlines Flight 188 Overflight Investigation

The NTSB is investigating Northwest Airlines Flight 188, which overshot its Minneapolis destination by 150 miles after pilots lost contact with air traffic control for 78 minutes. The hosts find the official explanation of "distraction" dubious, noting that the cockpit voice recorder was allegedly overwritten during "routine maintenance" immediately following the incident.

northwest airlines· ntsb· airbus· cockpit voice recorder· minneapolis

1:19:31 well i remember a president obama said that he wanted a civilian force just as strong and as large as the armed forces he's making good on that promise and fox news has been recruited uh... to promote that you interested not really i don't feel like going to it but uh... that's done it's over fox news that they wouldn't have anything to do with this i also did some research uh... this week on uh... the Northwest Airlines pilots who overshot Minneapolis. Oh yes, this is what I've been waiting for. Yeah, well I don't have any real resolution, I did come across some very interesting pieces of data. So first of all, here's the lie. The lie is that a

1:20:22 And a jet airliner an airbus very sophisticated piece of equipment That it can actually fly for 78 minutes without talking to air traffic control without Jets being scrambled. There's a lot of people pissed off about that And you know it's like oh yeah, we were just about to scramble the jets when when they when contact was made meanwhile if I fly my Cessna for 15 minutes without talking to air traffic control I'll have two f-16s next to me in seconds So none of that adds up And really the best piece of information I could really get is from the NTSB, the National Transportation Safety Board. And I'm loading up their report right now because that's where the real fun was. So these pilots, and there's been several raw pieces of footage that are out there on the internet. I'm happy to put it all, actually I have a whole site of collected links. I'll put that in the show notes at noagendershow.com.

1:21:23 So the pilots say no we were not sleeping. No, there was no argument going on. We were severely distracted. I'm not allowed to talk about it because I'm not allowed to talk about it because that's the way investigations work. And you can see in this guy's eyes that you know something definitely went on. Something messed up and I'm just going to guess that on the same day that Boeing comes out with their annual earnings, there's no coincidence that Airbus had something mess up with their With one of their craft because we know that the air buses are just shit You know this stuff going on with him that that little text messaging system that a what is it called the a cars? Which the plane actually sends messages that stopped working? You know it's the same thing with that with the airbus that that crashed over the Indian Ocean

1:22:12 You know, I think there was something seriously wrong with the aircraft. But strange nonetheless that there was no terrorist action, anti-terrorism action taken like you'd expect it to happen. And so of course what you then are left over with is the cockpit voice recorder. And the cockpit voice recorder, they typically can do two hours of recording but the only requirement is 30 minutes. And I'm looking at the official report There was indeed 30 minutes of recording. The cockpit area microphone channel was not working during this recording. However, the crew's headset microphones recorded their conversations, which I believe is a lie because these things are squelched and if you're not wearing the headset then it's really not going to be recording anything, but that's just me. Let's just say it was possible.

1:23:03 The cockpit voice recorder, the 30 minutes they have, began during final approach, again it's only 30 minutes, continued while the aircraft was at the gate. During the hours immediately following the incident flight, routine aircraft maintenance provided power to the cockpit voice recorder for a few minutes on several occasions, likely recording over several minutes of the flight. Uh-huh? Do I need to say any more? It sounds dubious. It's dubious, first of all not reported by anybody and if you have an aircraft that has been in an incident there is no way that routine maintenance comes in and starts to power shit on and off and they were met by uniformed officers that plane should have been immediately put in quarantine nothing should happen with it. It's bullshit.

CHAPTER 28 / 34 Discussion

Missing Time Theories and Pilot Silence

Alternative theories regarding the Northwest Airlines overflight include "missing time" events or craft abduction. The hosts question why experienced pilots with tens of thousands of flight hours would miss multiple alerts and why there is a lack of public discussion among other professional pilots regarding the technical anomalies of the flight.

missing time· abduction· pilot in command· atc· cover-up

1:23:56 And we may never find out what exactly went on. There's a lot of theories about a missing time event, which I kind of subscribe to, which means the crew and passengers were abducted and then replaced. You kind of subscribe to that. I kind of subscribe to that, yeah. Yeah, that's cool. I'm down with that. But also the lack of... Wait, now you're talking about a flying saucer coming along and then sucking every bit. It's not a flying saucer, John. Get out of Space Odyssey, okay? These are cigar-shaped craft. They're not flying saucers anymore. Danger Will Robinson. Now that's possible. Yeah, but when you have... Oh yeah, yeah, that's possible, sure. When you have a first... When you have a captain

1:24:47 who has 10,000 hours on the A320, 7,000 is PIC, pilot in command, 20,000 hours total and your first officer has 11,000 hours. It just does not happen that you miss all of the dings and the bings and the bongs. And if you have your craft on autopilot, something's gonna happen when you fly over Minneapolis, okay? They don't just program one destination, they put the whole route in. The whole thing stinks. And I'm amazed by the lack of ATPs, airline transportation pilots, who are jumping into the conversation. I'm really amazed by it. Also could not find any audio recording of ATC repeatedly calling them over and over again. So something went on up there that we don't know about and it's been covered up.

1:25:39 And I'm still looking but it's... Well generally speaking, you're not going to find anything now. But generally speaking isn't there quite a buzz in the forums and message boards? That's what I'm so surprised about. Do you think it's being blocked? Do you think people aren't interested? Or do you think the pilots are baffled by this themselves and they don't have anything to say? But they would usually just say something. I think they're afraid to speak up personally. That's what I think. I think they're afraid. You know they just... But afraid of what? Well, that's the question. They probably all like their job. I'm sure they do. Now, speaking of missing time, and this is something that I didn't get to last week, the Large Hadron Collider has been pumped up again. Oh yeah. This is the thing out there in Switzerland, 8 kilometers underground of neutron proton smashing stuff.

CHAPTER 29 / 34 Discussion

Large Hadron Collider and Future Time Travel Theories

Physicists Holger Nielsen and Masao Ninomiya have proposed a theory that the Large Hadron Collider in Switzerland keeps breaking down because its future success would be so catastrophic that "nature" or future humans are traveling back in time to sabotage it. The hosts mock this as the ultimate "dog ate my homework" excuse for scientific failure.

large hadron collider· higgs boson· holger nielsen· time travel· switzerland

1:26:39 And of course the whole idea was to get to the boson, the Higgs boson, what do they call it? The Higgs boson particle, which would actually take us back to the Big Bang, the beginning of time. So in December, if all goes well, protons will start smashing together once again, but of course this thing keeps breaking down. And this is a theory that was written up in the New York Times, theory coming from Holger Nielsen from Copenhagen and Masao Ninomiya, who says that actually, because there's a lot of theories about what this thing will actually do, but what actually happened is in the future,

1:27:31 We saw that this was no good to have this... Didn't we talk about this two weeks ago? No, I said we were going to talk about it but we didn't get to it. No, but I thought we did talk about it. No, we didn't. No. I know I blogged it. Okay, so in the future... We come back and we break the Large Hadron Collider because it's not good for us to actually reach that Higgs boson particle and that's why it will never work. So we actually did the time travel, we were out there, we saw, hey, it's no good because this thing destroys the world or whatever. We came back and we keep disabling it. Nice mind fuck. Yeah, I know, this is the biggest crock of crap ever. I call it the one-upsmanship on the dog ate my homework theory.

1:28:14 I love it. We're also breaking the Hubble Space Telescope in the future. All this stuff that is not supposed to happen. The only thing we couldn't do apparently was dismantle Goldman Sachs. I don't know how we could have missed that one 10,000 years from now. We blew it. Well, there's still time. Maybe it takes a lot of effort to go back in time and you can only do one of these events every so often and maybe the Goldman Sachs time is coming. I love it though. I think it's totally awesome. And another theory I willingly subscribe to. Yeah, and that's a good one. I actually almost subscribe to it but only as something to laugh about.

CHAPTER 30 / 34 Discussion

EU Approval of Genetically Modified Corn

The European Union has approved three types of genetically modified corn for the food supply, a move linked to the ratification of the Lisbon Treaty. Despite historical resistance to "Frankenfood," the hosts suggest that crop failures caused by wet weather will be used to force the adoption of Monsanto's herbicide-resistant seeds across Europe.

monsanto· genetically modified corn· lisbon treaty· european union· frankenfood

1:29:04 And then in Gitmo Nation East, the European Union has now approved three types of genetically modified corn to be sold and used in the food supply, one of which of course is our good friends from... Wait, wait, stop, stop. What? You said in the European Union? Yes, the European Union has approved... Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. That's not possible. The European Union has been protecting their people against this sort of thing for years and years. Well, yeah, I hate to break it to you.

1:29:46 What do you mean we're changed? The Lisbon Treaty, which the Czech guy has now finally given in and will be completely signed, sealed and delivered and ratified this coming week, which enables Tony Blair or Jan-Peter Balkanen to come in, they've taken over. You are all citizens of Gitmo Nation East and you're screwed. You've got Monsanto coming in and all you gotta do... Look over here! Nothing to see here. Look at that! Three. Three... Brands of genetically modified corn you'll be eating it. I wonder if they're gonna force people to plant that crap Well see, you know, I was reading in the in the the new fake USA Today the Wall Street Journal It's been the wettest coldest and

1:30:41 harvest since men can remember. I love that reporting in the Wall Street Journal. Since we can remember. Since I was a little boy. Yeah, it's been the coldest and wettest. Don't forget now we're in a severe period of climate change, global warming and all of this, all the corn is going to rot away. They can't harvest it because it's wet. And so they're... And that's going to then genetically modified corn which is resistant to the various weed killers is going to make a difference. Yeah, of course. Oh, we've got new anti wet corn that yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, yeah, John, of course. What are you talking about? Once they've got it approved, then they'll bring all kinds of shit in. Yes, it's it's freakonomics, man. It's it's Frankenstein food. Absolutely. Yeah, they will definitely come up with I don't think the French will plant this stuff. It's not it's not a matter of if they want to, they're going to have to eat. There's there's the supplies are dwindling.

CHAPTER 31 / 34 Discussion

Taylor Swift Saturday Night Live Hosting and Media Shills

Taylor Swift is scheduled to serve as both the host and musical guest on Saturday Night Live, a rare dual role. In related media news, the hosts criticize Wired Magazine for its consistent pro-vaccine coverage and discuss the financial struggles at Condé Nast, which recently closed Gourmet Magazine and cut budgets at Vogue.

taylor swift· saturday night live· wired magazine· conde nast· vogue

1:31:41 They're gonna have to. We're starving. We are literally on the brink of starvation. We just don't see it yet because we're too busy taking our meds. Take your meds and you won't even feel hungry. Well, there's an awful lot of fat people. So what else is going on in the EU that we're not covering? There was some very interesting entertainment news this week. Yeah, I had one too actually which totally falls under the... And now, back to real news. I got an email from amazon.com. Now available, now for sale, Taylor Swift guitars. Well that's interesting that that would be such a coincidence because guess who is hosting and is the musical guest star on next Saturday Night Live's show?

1:32:39 Let me think. Before you guess, it's the first time I know anyone's been the host and the musical guest. Or am I? I could be wrong about that. No, I think you're wrong. I think Bon Jovi has been the host and musical guest. Well, usually they have, you know, mature people that have been around the block a few times like Bon Jovi do it, you know, because they're pretty good on stage and they're, you know, they're mature and funny. So guess who it is that is coming on to Saturday Night Live to be the host and the musical star? I don't know. Could it be Taylor Swift? Exactly, you win. Yes.

1:33:15 Excellent. I find that to be peculiar. Now, I think she was... the first time I think I ever saw her was on Saturday Night Live when she was the musical guest. Well, of course, it's a fine NBC program. We know where dad's tie-in to NBC. And so, I saw her and I said, wow, what's the big deal? And that was the end of it. Wow. Wow. Is that what you actually said, eh? Wow. I did. I'm turning this off. Hey, by the way, can I just call out Wired Magazine to be shills? Can these guys write more articles about how great the H1N1 vaccine is? They seem to do one every single week. I haven't noticed. I don't read Wired. Neither do I, but people keep sending me their articles. It's a Condé Nast publication? Is that who they are? Well, it was, but you know, Condé Nast isn't Condé Nast anymore. What is it? Condé Nast was bought by Advance.

1:34:06 a kind of a business private equity, you know, holding, publishing holding company that run by bean counters. I mean, they're the ones who closed down Gourmet Magazine, you know, which is a brand name that goes back a hundred years. And Bridesmaids Weekly or whatever? Right. I don't remember the name. It was Brides or something like that. weekly, monthly, something like that. Which was always a moneymaker. And then they're supposedly going to cut the budget of Vogue, which just had an 850 page issue, which has to be

1:34:44 you know record-breaker and uh... so it's all assets of voters is a fantastic uh... format it's great yeah i know you can help to make money but they're gonna cut the budget for some reason just annoy the xp of the people that do vote magazine geniuses but they're going to be all quitting so i did so the thing with wire did win surprise me and then uh... the white house has promised in their full transparency has released a list of visitors to the White House. It's great, they just put up some list, some random list and say, here's everyone who came.

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White House Visitor Log Transparency Criticism

The White House released a list of visitors as part of a new transparency initiative, but the hosts argue the list is incomplete and misleading. The policy allows the administration to withhold records of "personal guests" and requires specific, narrow requests to confirm other visits. Notable visitors include GE CEO Jeff Immelt and Bill Gates, though many entries use cryptic codes.

white house· transparency· visitor logs· bill gates· jeff immelt

1:35:21 and going to go ahead fox and cnn and all fight about who these visitors were and you probably seems to be like the new meme of the week yeah this is one of the distractions and yeah i huge distraction yeah it's a major class in the evening dot are who cares yahoo george clinton was there to talk about you know somalia and also but it was a little bit earlier bill ayers Yeah, it even got our our East Coast Research Division Carrie Lutz, you know, he even like oh look They released the names look good Jeff Imeld CEO of General Electric five visits. Yeah, duh Can't do all this business in one meeting five

1:36:11 I just love it, you know, like, oh, and these are the real logs. I've got to believe this. I've got to believe this is the real record. And by the way, they made this as an opportunity to say, this is the new transparency. Yeah, exactly. And I told you we were going to be transparent. I told you we were going to be transparent. Look, here's the visitors logs. Yeah, and then they make this. Big deal. So they have this data sheet plug-in on the White House website. And so they make it look all official, like it's a real spreadsheet. So name last, name first, name ID, UIN, which I don't know what that is, badge number, and then access type, which is all VA. I don't know what VA means.

1:36:54 as in virginia i mean access type visiting coming into virginia visitor access visitor access asshole visiting asshole i like that And but what are these codes man now we have to this is they put this in for for crackpots I know they do there's some code in the name ID and the UIN number there totally is and why does David Barry have badge number zero come on man that's fucked up that's something really messed up dude well you know the other thing is if this is so transparent why don't they have a list at the bottom of all the codes hey let me see if they do

1:37:34 As detailed in our Voluntary Disclosure Policy on Visitor Access Records, for records between January 20th and September 15th, White House Counsel will voluntarily respond to individual requests that are reasonable, narrow, and specific, e.g., requests that list possible visitors. Huh? What? Yeah, I don't know. That's what it says at the bottom. What does that mean? Let's read it again. As detailed in our voluntary disclosure policy on visitor access records, voluntary, that's a transparency code, for records between January 20th and September 15th, White House counsel will voluntarily respond

1:38:15 voluntarily respond to individual requests that are reasonable, narrow and specific, e.g. requests that list possible visitors. To request such visitor records, click here. Okay. Oh, then there's a little form for you to fill out. So if you want, so I guess this is if you want to know... Wait, wait, wait, stop. Are you telling me that the list that they supposedly being so transparent with is really not the list at all but you know kind of a list that they decided to do for our purposes? That's exactly what it is. I want the real list, I don't want this list then. No, no, no, no, they won't, no, no. The voluntary disclosure policy only gives you the list they feel is good if you have a specific narrow request about a specific individual and on the form it looks like you can request up to 10

1:39:05 Then they will tell you if that person was there or not. So they're not actually giving you the list. Alright, here's the deal. Post that link on the show notes. Okay. No agenda show at curry.com and wherever and devorek.org slash blog. And people out there can click on that link, find that form and just start putting random names in there and see what they can come up with. The White House will not release fields within the access records that implicate personal privacy or law enforcement concerns, e.g. dates of birth, social security contact numbers. Oh, the White House will not release access records related to purely personal guests of the first and second families, i.e. visits that do not involve any official or political business. Well, there you go. That's bullshit. So this is not the list. If it was a personal visit, then they don't disclose it.

1:40:03 Right. And wink wink, nudge nudge, I'm having a personal visit. Hold on, do you think Gates is on the... what was the... Gates was on the list. He was? Yeah, well he went to promote his foundation, I suppose. No, no, no. When they had that sit-down, didn't they have it with the cop? Remember they had the root beer? You're talking about Bill Gates. Not Bill Gates. I'm talking about Professor Gates. I don't know, though he'd be personal, it'd be a personal meeting. Right, and he's not on the list. The only Gates on there is Bill Gates. Right. Name ID H. H, I wonder what that means. I don't know, he was a VA, he was a visiting asshole. With an H. With an H. Well that's just bullcrap. That's totally lame.

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Recovery.gov Information Overload and California Funding

The Recovery.gov website, managed by Vivek Kundra, is criticized for using "information overload" to obscure where stimulus money is actually being spent. While the site claims billions of dollars have been sent to California to create jobs, the state's unemployment rate continues to rise, leading the hosts to label the reported data as "bogus."

recovery.gov· vivek kundra· california· unemployment· stimulus money

1:40:51 Visitor information for the Vice President and his staff at the White House complex will be disclosed pursuant to the policy outlined above. It is not possible, however, to release visitor information for the Vice President's residence in identical format to the White House complex at this time because the residence is not equipped with the WAVES and ACR systems that are in place at the White House complex. Oh please. Oh brother. Alright. Do me one favor, John. Just go to recovery.gov. I know you don't visit that website very often. Why? It never changes. Oh no, I just want you to... Oh, it's changed. I just want you to take a look at this. Okay? This is our buddy Vivek Kundra's big project. Yeah, 18 million dollar project. Right. Can you just tell me from this homepage alone, can you just tell me

1:41:45 If there's any way in hell you would know where to start to find out where the money went, all they've done is just put tons of pie charts and graphs and pull downs and click throughs and a million things that you have no idea how it actually works. And I'm not stupid. There is no way you can figure it out. This is information overload. Tutorial center, track the money. Well I'm looking at the big map and it says California has received 18 Billion. No, they were given 18 million and a billion. Billion, that's billion. No, no, it's that billion? Oh my goodness. Yeah. Okay, eight, okay, they've been given 18 billion and they've spent or they've received 8 billion and the jobs created were 110,000 jobs, not created or saved, it says created. Oh no, no, but when you click through, then it says created or saved. What? Oh yeah. Oh yeah, oh yeah, absolutely.

1:42:51 Because you know the unemployment rate, I hate to say this to people out there, but the unemployment rate in California has continued to increase. It's like 15% now, isn't it? Well, that's reported. Yeah. But it's ridiculous. And so there was no jobs created. We're still losing jobs. So this number's bogus, but where's the 8 billion dollars gone? Huh? Don't look over here! Nothing to see here! Alright, John, let's wrap this up. It's time. Stick a fork in me. Are you back on Thursday? You back in the civilized world? Yeah, of course. It's very hard to talk with you when you sound either like Donald Duck or like you're on Pristik. Well, I'm sorry. Sorry if I'm divulging any personal information there. I have no control over this.

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Show Outro and Thursday Episode Preview

The hosts conclude the episode with a final push for donations via the "value-for-value" model. They debate whether the San Francisco Bay Bridge will reopen by Thursday and sign off from their respective locations in "Gitmo Nation West" and the Pacific Northwest. The next episode is scheduled for the following Thursday.

bay bridge· san francisco· gitmo nation west· value-for-value· podcasting

1:43:45 So help John get a better connection up in Washington. Donate to No Agenda. You can find the very handy PayPal links for, we have multiple options. Five dollars a month would be more than enough. Happy to have you on board as a knight. And you can find all of that at noagendashow.com or go to dvorak.org slash NA. And we'll have more good news for you next week. Somehow I doubt it. I don't think there's gonna be any good news. Is there anything good? Look, here's what we'll do. First, we'll see if the bridge is open by Thursday. I'm telling you it won't be. It'll be open today. No sirree. It's gonna be closed for a whole week at least. Boy, you're talkative. I'm just annoyed by that, by the possibility, because the fact is it should have been open last Thursday. Yeah.

1:44:45 Well, you know what I think they've done? I think they've shut the bridge down so they can do a bunch of work without having to have people run and shoot by him in the car. I don't think it's anything, but I mean, you never know though. I mean, maybe, maybe they, I think these guys are just screwed up to say the least. And we have like a 10% personal insurance or personal income taxes for the state of California. We have all these local taxes. We have to pay bridge tolls of five bucks to get across that bridge. The whole thing is, is just stinks. Coming to you from the minimum security containment cell which houses the crackpot command center Which could use some more funding in Gitmo Nation West San Francisco, California I'm Adam Curry and from the Pacific Northwest where there is no personal income tax. I'm John C Dvorak I'm Adam Curry back here from the future to make you listen to this show and donate We'll talk to you again on Thursday right here on no agenda