1:09:43 White cops killed this black man while he was getting into the car on President Trump's watch. Just advertising! Couldn't at all create any social unrest? Just advertising! How is that different than being on television? Let me finish my point Because you can target it, because it is that level of targeting. That's exactly the point! Advertising is not just buy this soap advertising his ideas. Advertising is pushing you into... When we talk about this show were adverting a whole concept that says the mainstream media is bullshit. I'm not arguing with the advertising thing, you can target advertising on television nowadays with 500 channels, there's a fishing games channel... Yes! That's the point! You can be targeted on Facebook go home and your Roku or your Spectrum box serves you the same ad because it's all connected yes? That's the point
1:10:36 The point is, I want just...I'm going back to the first movie i watched where this stuff is destroying young girls. You didn't mention in the social dilemma about the suicide rate that has increased dramatically since the iPhone was launched We know where it's coming from, it just- my point is It's not a groundbreaking film for information that gives I believe it will get people to think about what is actually happening with your social media and your influence on your life. You don't know what that is! You don't know what that is because you have never lived the social media addiction ever on a phone. You haven't
1:11:19 I've chose not to. I don't think it's that much worse than watching TV eight hours a day, which used to happen before the social media showed up. Teen girls have always had issues. Yes, the suicide rate has gone up but there are a lot of different reasons for that. The suicide rate in United States still isn't as high as in most countries in Eastern Europe where they're not that much influenced by things like Facebook. Kazakhstan for example has got a much higher suicide rate. He said without evidence? I don't know if that is true
1:12:04 Okay, I don't know that it's not true. But why wouldn't it be pretty similar from place to place when you have in the Eastern European areas? It seems to be higher wise than Western Europe for a fact they use it there Okay, is it use? When I when I do this doesn't make any sense when I do an OTG segment Do you generally agree with what I'm saying and would you generally agree with my concept of data? G kind of guy are you generally in agreement with with but I'm just we're not talking about your otg Segment. We're talking about this movie And my question is to you do you think it is good for people to see this then they will question things and perhaps get A clue that they're not
1:12:50 engaged in healthy behavior. I think this movie's got propaganda in it that I don't like and that specifically is because I want to be on the lookout for that well, the kind of okay let's say DeJarren Lanier nonsense which is There is a subtle argument within this, and Gerard Lanier's the one who brought this up. And they ran with it in various ways with the phony baloney acting where the algorithms are actually three guys sitting behind a council and one of them pushing buttons saying hey look at the amount of time he spent on this let's push this button get him to do that and let's get him to do this so this is what's going on. You think that the algorithms don't do versions of that?
1:13:36 The algorithms are mediocre. These algorithms are all derived from the, if you like this movie then you'll like that movie which came out in the 1980s on various websites and it's where the 1980s had no website. So okay alright now I'm gonna understand our core fundamental difference and the core fundamental differences I believe the algorithms are that simplistic, but they have been so built out that there is no other way to keep the business running and they are indeed doing versions of oh, the guy like this. Let's get him that, that, that, that, this, not that, he clicked on this. He seems to be more engaged. My experience, I'm on YouTube
1:14:24 Occasionally I like to put the family, let's watch Russian dash cam videos. One of my favorite things to watch so we put on one of them the latest compilation of Russian dash cam car accident videos And you see these drunken Russians flying all over the place. The next video that comes up is another one! Holy mackerel, these algorithms are knocking my socks off so I might watch another one of these videos in fact I might watch three in a row. I really think your embarrassing yourself by not thinking a little bit further that it's not... take an example that's a little more realistic what the film was about which is Donald Trump is a lying dick
1:15:06 So if you're being targeted because for whatever reason your zip code or a video you like, they'll give you your recommendation engine example. We think that you are someone we can bring over to the Democrat side—or it doesn't matter which side—by just pushing more of those ads. Ads are just ads! Ads are stories, ads are videos, ads are posts, ads are other users that's paid for... You don't think that that can make a difference? This is nothing new. That's the point! It's not new, but it's hyper fast. It's hyper interactive with you Not just the passive TV viewer that's my point. It's faster I agree with that but
1:15:52 Fast is as fast does. It can go it fastly, you all of a sudden become a Democrat? Fast, you know, all the sudden become a Republican so you get jerked around a lot more that's the difference You get jerked around a lot more and it's a lot faster It's no different than the subtle, slow ways they used to do it. Or the television ads or the special interest... You know these YouTube algos are so good that you in the past couple of weeks have shown up with clips that we've played before because they just throw them back in your face again I'm seeing again where get we're getting the same... The algos are cranking up They throw it around people say oh Get my clips from YouTube? The Marianne Williamson clip
1:16:39 That came off of Twitter. Oh, there's no algo there luckily! It was on my feed I believe this is a very good movie to show to people To make them think about just as a start Not using any social media and if you're a parent I suggest you watch this so you can monitor what's happening to your kids And i think it's childish and inane And it just doesn't, I don't think it's effective. I disagree but you liked it? I didn't like it. You liked for a lot of reasons and I disliked it for a lot of different reasons. The Jared Lanier thing that I know because you put in the email exchange instead of advertising he...and actually shows how polar opposite we are on this. I liked the quote and wrote it down
1:17:38 It is a gradual, slight imperceptible change in your own behavior and perception that is the product. Based upon the if you're not paying for it you are the product that was his derivative extrapolation of what is going on. Yeah, that's what Jaron does best I know Jaron And I agree with that statement because that's what advertising and marketing does Whether it's the suffragettes, smoking cigarettes. Whether it's Bernays mind control tricks that's marketing thats advertising and so he just gave it a Jared Lanier spin which is kind of the opposite of your It's Just Advertising! So somewhere in the middle there's something going on with our behavior And thats exactly how I said it Pretty much Oh well
1:18:36 That's all I got to say. Yeah, onward. I'm surprised you didn't have more clips than just a comedy trailer! No, no...I was going to play clips and then I saw YOU had clips which I was kind of- You knew what my clips were gonna be like? NO, I didn't and I didn't- I had a hunch but you had WOW behind one which as you call it the punchline clip As you know I don't listen to your clips And I thought oh maybe he did think of something that he liked But no Of course not Wow! You're the optimist. Instead you spent half an hour where you could have spent thinking about the movie on create an explosion and cartoon sounds to mock the movie which is valid it's valid that did not take that long to produce oh brother