Episode 127 · Thursday, 3 September 2009

Poppy Futures Blooming

A record-breaking pharmaceutical fraud settlement collides with aggressive swine flu marketing and a bizarre wave of bovine suicides in the Swiss Alps.

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The No Agenda Show · No. 127

About this episode

Pfizer agreed to a record-breaking $2.3 billion settlement with the Department of Justice this week to resolve allegations of illegal off-label drug promotion. The massive fine, which includes a $1.195 billion criminal penalty, highlights systemic fraud within the healthcare industry as Treasury Secretary Timothy Geithner oversees the collection of these historic funds.

Public health messaging reached a fever pitch as MSNBC correspondent Dr. Nancy Snyderman and Sesame Street characters like Elmo aggressively promoted the H1N1 swine flu vaccine. Meanwhile, Governor Arnold Schwarzenegger launched a massive liquidation of California state assets on eBay, including repossessed Ferraris and a salami shop, to address the state's budget crisis. In the private sector, Whole Foods CEO John Mackey faces a coordinated boycott led by SEIU-backed Change to Win after criticizing federal healthcare reform, while Boeing successfully tested an Advanced Tactical Laser capable of incinerating vehicles from the air.

Travelers at O'Hare International Airport are encountering a TSA officer named Butman while navigating liquid restrictions that many critics now label a retail scam. In a bizarre turn of events in the Swiss Alps, dozens of cows in Lauterbrunnen reportedly jumped to their deaths from cliffs, sparking local confusion and international headlines. Adam Curry and John C. Dvorak break down the week's most absurd developments.


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CHAPTER 01 / 29 Discussion

Skype Birthday Alerts, Northern Silicon Valley Heat Wave

The hosts open the program from Amsterdam and Northern Silicon Valley, noting it is episode 127. A discussion ensues regarding Skype's birthday alert functionality and why a specific birthday notification failed to appear on a Google Calendar. They also remark on the seasonal heat in California and the annual occurrence of wildfires in the region.

skype· silicon valley· california fires· birthday· google calendar

00:00 You don't have to be a chicken to spot a bad egg. Adam Curry, John C. Dvorak. It's September 3rd, 2009, time for your Gitmo Nation audio publication episode 127. This is no agenda. Coming to you from the 17th century canal house, Crackpot Command Center in Amsterdam, Gitmo Nation East, where the years are creeping up on me. I'm Adam Curry. And from Northern Silicon Valley, indeed it is number 1 to 27, I'm John C. Dvorak. Is that right? How come it's not cropping up in my Google calendar? Because I'm not really your friend? We're not friends on Facebook, you know? Otherwise you would have known. Doesn't Skype... Skype is supposed to alert you to that.

01:05 Look at your Skype alerts. Skype is how I always figure out... And by the way, that is what... No, I'm not a member of Plaxo, please. Well, that's why I don't know it's your birthday. Yeah, but look at your Skype alerts. It should have a little birthday present and with my name. Let me look. Yeah. That, I think, alone is worth the $2 billion they paid for it. The birthday alerts on Skype actually work. One new event it says. No. I know what these look like. They're little gifts. I've seen them before. No, nothing. You're kidding me. No, this is the reason. You can't blame me. Hold on a second. Let me just see. This is what happens when you rely on technology too much. Where's my... My profile's filled out. Hold on, let me check. Account, my profile. Oops. Oh, wrong. Don't do that. Edit profile.

01:58 Hmm. I thought you had to fill out your age when you when you register for Skype or your birthday or something like that Huh? I don't actually see it in there now. Yeah, that's why I didn't get the little gift Damn Bummer, I didn't even check but I presume people can hear us. Let me just see. Oh, yeah good idea There goes the paintball again. Ah, yeah. Okay. Yeah people can hear stream is up according to Dave T Let me just see. Yeah, okay good. Hey John, how are you my friend? It's boiling hot yesterday, and it's gonna be hot again today We're finally in September so that means the weather gets nice and warm in California. We can northern Silicon Valley. We get lots of fires California is burning down. That happens every year. Everyone's always stunned by it.

CHAPTER 02 / 29 Discussion

California State Asset Auction, Schwarzenegger Salami Shop

Governor Arnold Schwarzenegger initiated a large-scale auction of California state assets via eBay and Craigslist to address budget concerns. The inventory included repossessed luxury items such as Ferraris and Rolex watches, as well as unconventional assets like a salami shop. One host mentions visiting Chicago during the height of the media coverage surrounding the sale.

california· arnold schwarzenegger· ebay· craigslist· asset auction

02:55 It's whenever the fire gets close to homes. Last year at this time we were talking about the same thing, we were talking about the fires. Yeah, you're right. But we didn't talk about the Craigslist and eBay sales by the state of California. That was pretty cool. Did you catch that? Yeah. No, you must have heard about that. No, I mean they had a big auction, I was going to go to it and then I realized that I have a house full of junk already, I don't need any more crap. But you could have picked up a Ferrari or a Rolex, cheap. I don't think they were that cheap, were they? I have no idea. I just thought it was kind of funny. It was a real news story, of course. But I picked that up while I was in Chicago for a couple of days. Actually, it was even before Chicago, but they were still talking about it. Like Governor Arnold Schwarzenegger put all the state assets and it was like a salami shop and all kinds of weird stuff. They had all these repossessed items. That would have been something for you, by the way, the salami shop.

CHAPTER 03 / 29 Discussion

Ad Tech Conference Chicago, Digital Display Advertising Skepticism

A host recounts participating in a panel at the Ad Tech Conference in Chicago hosted by Starcom's Sean Finnegan. The discussion critiques the effectiveness of digital display banners and the Internet Advertising Bureau (IAB) standards, arguing that users have developed "neural networks" to ignore standard ad blocks. Executives from Yahoo and Digitas noted that direct marketing tools, such as mortgage calculators, outperform traditional brand advertising.

ad tech· chicago· starcom· yahoo· digital advertising

03:52 Yeah, I've been something. Salami. Salami doesn't keep forever. So what were you doing in Chicago? It was the Ad Tech Conference. And I understand you gave a speech. Actually, I was on a panel. And I typically tend to shy away from these types of events with good reason. Because it's just a bunch of advertising jerk-offs jerking off together. Hi everybody, how are you? Thanks for coming to my panel. Thanks for coming to my panel and jerking off. But this was in, so a big media buying agency in Chicago is Starcom. And so I was invited by their new chief something officer, Sean Finnegan, who's been around, he's a pretty well-known guy in the media buying business.

04:47 And so he of course promised and delivered on putting us in front of a couple of their clients. You know, it's like, it's typical go out there and suck some advertiser dick. That's basically what it is. I'm just gonna lay it out for you. And then I'm like, oh. So instead of being your normal self, you're actually kind of pleasant and charming? No. I was on a panel which I forget the title of the panel, but was the equivalent of, oh maybe I have an over-browser. It was a panel, it wasn't a stand-up? No, no, I was just asked to do to do this panel. I hate panels. Well, this one was kind of funny the panel was Here it is. I have the browser window still open. It was a really long title What's wrong and what's right with digital display advertising advancing digital media to drive business results? and on the panel was VP and general manager of display advertising from Yahoo Inc Dave Zinman and

05:46 and group creative director with Digitas, Kevin McElroy. And what people don't understand, so display is basically banners, I guess. Although for us display is... It could be that big block thing too that's in the middle of a page. For years now, people have neural networked that, they don't even see banners. And of course the IAB, the Internet Advertising Bureau standard of like 300 by 250 is like, thanks, now your brain really knows what to ignore. Oh, there's that size block again, I'm not going to look at that.

06:22 And of course, how can you think that you can be a brand advertiser with a banner when someone with a credit card can show up at Google and buy the same space with cellulite? And the guy from Yahoo was pretty funny. He was like, well, our best performing banner is the mortgage calculator. Yeah, of course, you know, it's direct marketing. The classifieds have moved to the front of the magazine, dude. Forget about it. It's over. The Internet is great for direct marketing. Yeah, anyway, it's kind of pathetic, but true. And then I that, but that mortgage calculator added those guys run is highly, it's got, it's just, it's, it's, it's enough to make it nauseous. If you, I mean, it's got a lot of motion. It's got like, it's got the dancing cowboys. Yeah. So you know it. That's interesting.

07:16 Yeah, I know I've seen that ad and it's like the more I soon as I see that I hit the button as fast like I hate that ad they also had to start off with that dancing girl doing some a three-step thing and then it was in something else and some woman shaking her head in a car or something and it was just it's just the most annoying I would never ever I mean I reject that ad because of its annoyance factor I'm amazed that you actually know about these ads, that you can actually tell me what was going on in them. I'd never even, you know, I'd never... I'm one of those guys that just... I can tell you what's going on, but I can't tell you what the company was, and I can tell you for a fact I've never clicked on it. And that of course is because it's a direct marketing effort, it's not a brand advertising effort. So you're not supposed to know unless you're actually looking for a mortgage, which apparently you're not. I'm always looking for something. Anyway, it was kind of fun. There were a couple of people there from our old company, Think New Ideas, who hadn't seen a 10 or 12 years. So that was kind of cool, bumping a couple of old buddies.

08:11 one of them who I had fired at one point. That must have been pleasant. I said, hey dude, Kerry, I'm really sorry, man. I'm sorry for firing you 12 years ago. He said, no problem, man. I had a job three days later. That was funny. I had a job before I found this one. Can I start off with a little fun, a fun little clip, John? If you play the real news thing. No, it's not a real, well, I'll play the real news thing for you if you want that. I mean, I'm happy to do that. Is it real news or not? It's not it's no it's well yeah it's from a real news show. Morning Meeting. Oh hold on a second then I'll play the real news. Play. I thought you had these things I thought it was just like boom. Yeah I'm hitting it but it's not playing. And now back to real news. So this is... Back to real news. This is from MSNBC and it's the Morning Meeting.

CHAPTER 04 / 29 Discussion

Nancy Snyderman, MSNBC Swine Flu Vaccine Advocacy

MSNBC medical correspondent Dr. Nancy Snyderman appeared on "Morning Meeting" to aggressively advocate for the H1N1 swine flu vaccination. Snyderman urged the public to ignore conspiracy theories and trust government health agencies. The hosts criticize her delivery style and the forceful nature of the public health messaging.

nancy snyderman· msnbc· h1n1· swine flu· vaccine

09:10 from August 27th and this is about the swine flu pandemic and they have on this program they have the MSNBC in-house doctor. Let me see if I can find what her name is here. When it pops up on the screen I'll tell you. Anyway, so she of course is advocating that you get the swine flu shot. and you know, it's going back and forth and of course, well you know, is it really going to be bad? But I just want you to hear what this real doctor, we should have now a real doctor talking. Just listen to how she actually winds up this segment by telling you that you really should get the swine flu vaccination. K-Part might be working triple time. What you do now and what we do now as a country

10:03 in deployment of the vaccine and in hand washing and covering your cough. And look, this is one time, forget the conspiracy. Listen to our government agencies. These guys are telling the truth. You know, there's no conspiracy here, folks. Just get your damn vaccine. There you go. Get your damn vaccine. Woman sounded coked up. She probably is. I mean, she's just not fast talking. Let me see if I can find her name. No, don't give me her name. Hey, play the clip I have. Nancy Snyderman. There you go. I know Nancy Snyderman. I've actually sat on a plane with her once. You've done coke with her, don't you remember? If anybody would do coke, it wouldn't be her. Well, she wants you to get your damn vaccine, Johnny boy.

CHAPTER 05 / 29 Discussion

Sonoma County H1N1 Death, Vaccine Marketing Tactics

Health officials in Sonoma County reported the death of a teenager linked to the H1N1 virus, noting the individual had a pre-existing condition. The report mentions that a vaccine is expected by October. The hosts compare the government's rollout strategy to the "Nintendo Wii" marketing approach, suggesting that prioritizing healthcare workers creates a sense of false urgency and artificial scarcity.

sonoma county· h1n1· swine flu· vaccine· public health

10:50 Yeah, well she has a, she's actually a specialist in nose, throat and other forms of weird cancer that people get from doing cocaine. From doing cocaine. Before we get to your clip John, just a quick moment to remind you what this program is all about. Our formula is this, we go out, we hit people in the mouth. Right on! Right on! That's our formula. It's an easy formula, that's what I like about it. We're sticking to it. So I have a clip there that has a flu related one. It's just a news item. This is where I think this is headed.

11:32 It's a straight news item that was done on a local station and now it's become, instead of having Snyder men yelling and screaming, people should just get the damn shot. Now it's presented as so matter of fact that I think this is the most effective sales pitch you can have the way they do this one. You see... Sonoma County health officials today reported that a teenager has become the latest person to die from the H1N1 flu. The adolescent's name and gender were not released. Officials say the teen had a pre-existing medical condition. the deaths of five other Sonoma residents have been linked to the H1N1 virus and 36 have been hospitalized with the flu. A vaccine is expected by October. Oh yeah, of course. And then, you know, what they're going to do, of course, we've already seen over here. I was just going to say, isn't that just a slick way to do it? It's an easy way to do it. And the next thing they're going to do, and we've already seen it happen here in Europe, where I am right now, is, well, you know,

CHAPTER 06 / 29 Discussion

Gardasil Vaccine Concerns, Pharmaceutical Influence on Doctors

During a dinner in Chicago, a host advised colleagues against the H1N1 and Gardasil vaccines, leading to a discussion about the risks associated with the HPV shot. One parent expressed concern after her 12-year-old daughter received the first dose under pressure from a pediatrician. The conversation centers on the alleged financial incentives doctors receive from pharmaceutical companies to promote specific treatments.

gardasil· hpv vaccine· cervical cancer· pharmaceutical industry· medical ethics

12:35 you're gonna have to wait in line. You can't be first. We're prioritizing and these are the people who are going first. It's going to be healthcare workers, it's going to be first responders. So they're gonna create this false urgency and it works. This is the Nintendo marketing approach for the Wii. It's the Wii shot. So I was in Chicago with the two gens, Jennifer White and Jennifer Cooper. And so we're having dinner and of course you have dinner with me, eventually I'm going to say, hey they're out to kill you and you definitely should. And she has two kids. I said, hey whatever you do, don't let your kids get this swine flu vaccine. This is bullshit. And then I said actually on the previous NOAH Agenda we were talking about Gardasil.

13:22 And you know how hundreds of girls have died, if not thousands have died from this and all these horrible things. And I see Jennifer Cooper just go white as a sheet. And she says, what? Are you alright? She says, I just had my daughter just had her first Gardasil shot. I'm like, dude, don't let her get the second one, okay? And not the third one either. Just stop right now. Is she okay? Does she have a fever? No, no, she's okay. But her doctor was really, really pushing this. He said, the kid's 12, Jennifer. She's not having sex. She's not gonna you know, there's no risk of cervical cancer and until she's having sex Yeah, but the doctor was really pushing it and she totally freaked out man She was like, oh my god, and then Jennifer White was like, oh, he has a new baby new baby boy Oh, yeah. No, I did all my research my kid ain't getting any of that stuff. All right, just like wow You know you just see how really intelligent people get hoodwinked and

14:17 Hoodwinked! Yeah, well, none of that, but I think the doctors at fault here. What's... why... you know, what is he getting? A piece of the action? Of course he's getting a piece of the action. And even Jennifer Cooper said, oh my god, he's on the payroll. I said, duh. Duh. Yeah. So we may have saved a life, John. Well, if people listen to our show, they'd be better off. Yeah, we may have saved another life. That's why we're here. And to hit people in the mouth. I'm not gonna play it again. Have you ever heard of Pastor Manning? No, I have not heard of Pastor Manning. So I think he has a radio show. It's an African-American pastor and there's a YouTube clip of him that I just... I could play the whole thing but let's just listen to a couple of minutes here or just a minute or two of what he's saying.

CHAPTER 07 / 29 Discussion

Pastor James David Manning, Obama Mac Daddy Viral Clip

Pastor James David Manning of ATLAH World Missionary Church gained internet notoriety for a vitriolic sermon directed at President Barack Obama. Manning used the term "long-legged Mac Daddy" and accused the President of being a "quasi-Muslim socialist." The hosts analyze the etymology of the term "Mac Daddy" and discuss the rising trend of extreme anti-Obama rhetoric among various political factions.

james david manning· barack obama· mac daddy· youtube· political rhetoric

15:13 they can't take it no more he's talking about white people and who can blame them I mean who can blame them to build this nation and then have it given away just given away just thrown away just throw it away by a long-legged half-breed usurper illegal alien a man who isn't even a citizen and everybody in the I haven't noticed that so much. Well, listen he has

15:58 I'm telling y'all. I'm telling you. Listen. I hear y'all go talk to the long-legged Mac Daddy, tell him to resign! Resign! The long-legged Mac Daddy. And then all these people, John McCain, Hillary Clinton, Mike Huckabee, Dick Cheney, George Bush, all need to stand on a platform and then bring the nine Supreme Court justices and they ought to apologize to God fearing God-loving, patriotic Americans ought to have an individual apology from every one of these persons I just named that have allowed this long-legged mac daddy, this two-tongue liar, this quasi-Muslim, socialist, communist, Marxist freak called Barack Hussein Obama. This guy's got an awesome show. I'm really like him. You would think so. It's funny.

16:49 Now, this is good, interesting because I'm not sure what, did you look up Mac Daddy to see what the reference was? I'm sure it's a racial slur. Let's see, long-legged Mac Daddy. Let me see. Of course I get, oh, Urban Dictionary, Mac Daddy, here we go. Uh... I think it has something to do with being a pimp or something. Yeah, the pimpmeister, the king of the streetwalkers, possessor of the blingest of bling bling, the mac daddy is the man who means everything to his ladies of the night. Oh babe, here quote, oh baby, you my mac daddy. Hmm.

17:27 Mac Daddy is a term used to describe a man with an unusual power over women and is derived from the French and later Louisiana Creole patois term, macaroo, which means pimp. There you go. Interesting. So yeah, well we should keep up with that guy just to see what... Just for entertainment value alone. You think? I ran into a blog the other day from some ex- little green footballs and one of these, another right-wing black guy. And I'm noticing them starting to come out of the woodwork. And this guy's got a blog, I have to get the name of it and we'll bring it up in one future show. But he's apparently a professor someplace and he is, I mean, he doesn't have this guy's vitriol but he has some of the most offensive

18:21 photoshopped jobs on Obama imaginable I mean they're just in everything he's got the same kind of negative attitude and he went on and on about how it turns if you start reading between the lines it turns out that he was a jilted Hillary supporter that has lost interest in the party because Hillary was screwed yeah but now he's a crazy Republican I don't even think this guy's a Republican. He's just mad. He's a Republican. He's a Republican. But if you listen to this whole thing, you know, he's like white people, white folks are going to come up from Alabama, from Mississippi, they're going to come up and then all of a sudden, and then from Oregon, I don't know quite why he says Oregon all of a sudden. And they're going to riot. He said, you think South Central Los Angeles was bad? Wait until white people riot. And I was like, whoa.

19:12 I have to say, there may be something to it. We really don't know what's going on, really what the pulse of the nation is because there is no real news. There is no national outlet that can really give you a feeling for what's happening. You see little clips and bits and it's really hard to put it into context and know if it's just a small local thing or if this really is happening nationwide. I don't know. Like today, I'm looking at all the different news stories I have and I'm really depressed. I'm like, oh man, we're all gonna die. I'm in one of those moods today.

CHAPTER 08 / 29 Discussion

Laura Ling and Euna Lee, North Korea Captivity Story

Journalists Laura Ling and Euna Lee are criticized for their media appearances following their release from North Korean captivity. The hosts mock a report claiming the women had to eat their notes and destroy tapes to protect their sources. There is skepticism regarding the timing of their media tour, with suggestions that it is coordinated with television "sweeps week."

laura ling· euna lee· current tv· north korea· cnn

19:54 Mean in the meantime the two dingbats from current TV Laura Ling and you know Lee are now pushing their Story there of course it's is it sweeps week yet. Are we coming up on sweeps? Well, there's someone seeing it in print so far, so I don't know no sweeps We usually they did harp on talking about it, so I don't think so. Let me see when it sweeps week Isn't it coming up? I think sweeps is coming up, dude. I It won't be coming up until the season begins. It's not going to come up on reruns. Well, no, but the season begins... doesn't start like next week or something? I think about the 14th because that's when Leno shows up. Right, exactly. Well, so there you go. So they're harping it now and then they're gonna put it out in sweeps.

20:44 The whole thing was- Nobody cares about these two. This is like a negative sweep. This is like suck your ratings into the toilet if you have these two women on. Well, that's what you think. I mean the one is like this and she's talking about how the uh, she's on the CNN, some story on CNN. Oh, we had to eat our notes and destroy the tapes to protect everyone. Oh really? I didn't know they ate their notes. Well that's a new, yeah, that's a new twist. They ate their notes. We ate our notes! We should do that, John. We need to eat our notes after every... You can't even find your notes for the show, let alone eat them. You're still looking at the notes from last week's show that you forgot. Well, it's part of the charm of the show. But there is a note that I kept for myself from last week, which is... I don't know if you... something you probably would have blogged.

CHAPTER 10 / 29 Discussion

Chicago Russian Population, Organized Crime Generalizations

Observations from O'Hare International Airport suggest a high volume of Russian nationals traveling with American passports. The discussion touches on the historical influence of organized crime in cities like Chicago and Boston. The hosts speculate on potential global connections between various international syndicates and local political structures.

chicago· moscow· russian mob· mayor daley· airport security

25:04 playing one company off against another and I think they got sued. for like unfair trade practices or something because you know they do like spying on the bill and says privacy issues you know you shouldn't be giving out a coupon if you know why you know that this became a fiasco and the thing disappeared. Just going back to your garbage men, something I noticed in Chicago which of course is... Sanitary engineers, I'm sorry did I say garbage men? Well of course we all know that you know the The mob pretty much controls the garbage industry, which is fine because you know garbage is usually well taken care of I think It runs well, right? Yeah, absolutely. It works. I'm happy Chicago of course is the the center of the universe that is where our president is from and of course mayor Daley pretty much controls the president and and runs the world

25:58 There are so many Russians in Chicago right now and they're all like they actually They all look like they're adult film stars and there were and they've got American passports I might add I said notice this at the airport at the at the check-in was like it was must have been 50 Russians with American passports all you know going from Chicago back to Moscow or whatever and I'm like hmm do you think because you know, of course Moscow is famous for its the mob running everything there. I think that there's probably a global thing going on here You know the other place where there's a lot of Russians that you know just I mean I don't want to imply that all Russians are mobsters, but these certainly were is Boston Both Boston and Chicago are both keen to kind of mob towns If we don't mind just generalizing Now they know it

26:52 Well, I were shocking. Oh what I've never heard of such a thing. There's mobsters in Chicago Anyway, so what's your point? No, I got no real point. Yeah, of course not So I do have an interesting thing here. Apparently Rachel Maddow went on to one of the talk shows and said, yeah, I think I got the swine flu, which is like you when you came into the office. I had the swine flu. I know I did. So you're wandering around, you know, and coughing on people and licking their cups. No, I stayed in my hotel room in the Marriott courtyard, I might add, for six full days when I had the swine flu. Okay.

27:32 So anyway, so then now everybody, you know, nobody thought much about it at the time, but now everybody's all up in arms on how she may have infected the 30 Rock and the whole, you know, the people that have children and oh my God. Good. Let them all get swine flu. They need it. And she should be the, she should be at the front of the line for the shots. Yeah, she should actually. She should have priority. I think we should start a viral campaign. Get Rachel Maddow to, to the arm. So I have one request of readers out there. Apparently this came out in August. I was going to blog it but it's a little old so I didn't do it. But my wife pointed this out. She found these things. The headline here is PETA terrifies children with unhappy meals.

CHAPTER 11 / 29 Discussion

PETA Unhappy Meals, McDonald's Protest Art

People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals (PETA) distributed "Unhappy Meals" to children outside a McDonald's in Albany, New York. The boxes contained a bloodied rubber chicken, a "McCruelty" t-shirt, and a cutout of a knife-wielding Ronald McDonald. The hosts describe the items as collectible "street art" and discuss the shock tactics used by the organization.

peta· mcdonald's· unhappy meals· animal rights· albany

26:52 Well, I were shocking. Oh what I've never heard of such a thing. There's mobsters in Chicago Anyway, so what's your point? No, I got no real point. Yeah, of course not So I do have an interesting thing here. Apparently Rachel Maddow went on to one of the talk shows and said, yeah, I think I got the swine flu, which is like you when you came into the office. I had the swine flu. I know I did. So you're wandering around, you know, and coughing on people and licking their cups. No, I stayed in my hotel room in the Marriott courtyard, I might add, for six full days when I had the swine flu. Okay.

27:32 So anyway, so then now everybody, you know, nobody thought much about it at the time, but now everybody's all up in arms on how she may have infected the 30 Rock and the whole, you know, the people that have children and oh my God. Good. Let them all get swine flu. They need it. And she should be the, she should be at the front of the line for the shots. Yeah, she should actually. She should have priority. I think we should start a viral campaign. Get Rachel Maddow to, to the arm. So I have one request of readers out there. Apparently this came out in August. I was going to blog it but it's a little old so I didn't do it. But my wife pointed this out. She found these things. The headline here is PETA terrifies children with unhappy meals.

28:21 Yesterday at a McDonald's in Albany, New York, PETA terrified children by handing out unhappy meals. Inside the box, a bloodied rubber chicken, a pack of ketchup blood, a McCruelty t-shirt wrapped in a blood-spattered chicken sandwich box, and a cardboard cutout of a knife-wielding Ronald McDonald. How did they do this? They just handed them out in front of McDonald's? Yeah, I can see Ronald picketing in front of the place they were handing out these meals. So-called meals. If anybody has one of these things, or if you ever see PETA handing these things... Oh, please. It's worth money. Yeah, it's worth money. They have photos here. The things are little works of art. They got this Ronald McDonald with a maniacal look on his face with a big knife, and then they got the inside of the hamburger, the thing that would hold the meal, is all spat

29:11 I heard with you know what looks like blood it's really a I consider it I was thinking Banksy you know one of these you know these street artists did this but no Pete is apparently got some artists in the company now. I want to see if I can find a picture. Totally collectible. Win it Wednesday. Oh yeah I see it oh my god the chicken is or the little chicky D the blooded chicky D oh my god I tell ya. Catch up with the times, McCruelty. So, um, on the kids topic, something that I find personally kinda creepy, particularly because we don't know exactly what he's going to say, on September the 8th, so that would be, uh, what is that, uh, Wednesday? I think? Uh, buh, buh. Yeah, whatever. September 8th. No, maybe it's Tuesday. Uh, President Obama

CHAPTER 12 / 29 Discussion

Obama National School Address, Education Talking Points

President Barack Obama scheduled a live broadcast to address students nationwide on September 8th, 2009. The Department of Education released preparatory materials for teachers, including questions about the President's role and goals. Critics argue the address and the accompanying "talking points" represent a form of political overreach or "rah-rah" cheerleading within the public school system.

barack obama· department of education· school speech· teleprompter· political indoctrination

30:06 will be addressing all students across America. Yeah, in a live web telecast and they've sent out documents to teachers with the things that teachers should do. Talking points. Talking points, exactly. Before the speech teachers can build background knowledge about the President of the United States in his speech by reading books about presidents and Barack Obama and motivate students by asking the following questions. Who is the President of the United States? What do you think it takes to be president? To whom do you think the president is going to be speaking? Why do you think he wants to speak to you? What do you think he will say to you? I mean they're making this big mystery and I find it honestly, I find it offensive

30:54 that the president is going to be speaking with a non-published agenda and is expecting teachers nationwide to just flip it on. It's creepy. Yeah, you know, when this story first appeared, it didn't bother me so much. It was just like, you know, I don't think it's necessarily a bad idea to have the president speaking to class. It keeps the teachers from having to do any work. But I think if they're gonna do that, they should also play a clip from that crazy minister that you just ran earlier in the show. The Mac Daddy! You can just see little kindergartners going home. Daddy, what is a Mac Daddy? What's a long-legged Mac Daddy? Long-legged Mac Daddy? You gotta take some specific little clips out of that. That guy's pretty funny. The whole thing is a clip. It's one big clip. You just start it. You don't want to stop it.

31:44 Write goals on colored index cards or pre-cut designs to post around the classroom. What do you think it's gonna be? This is the kind of cornball stuff they do anyway in these schools. What's it going to be? It's going to be, I know what it's going to be. It's going to be a very sincere talk off of a teleprompter about why, more like one of those weekend things he does. And he's going to be, why it's important to go to school, why it's important to get a good education, what it means to the future of the country. It's just going to be a, it's going to be a, It's going to be a rah-rah cheerleader thing. It's not going to be any big deal. You don't think it's going to be about getting your swine flu shot? No, it should be. And when you get home, little kids, go to your daddy's wallet and take out 50 bucks and mail it to the Democratic National Committee. Send it to me. Ask your mommy why she's not supporting the president's health care plan. Ask her.

CHAPTER 13 / 29 Discussion

Sesame Street H1N1 Collaboration, Elmo Health Habits

The federal government partnered with Sesame Workshop to produce public service announcements featuring Elmo and Gordon. The segments are designed to teach children about healthy habits and the H1N1 swine flu. The hosts note the ubiquity of swine flu warnings at airports and in popular media.

sesame street· elmo· h1n1· swine flu· public service announcement

32:42 Just ask her, say to her, Mommy do you want me to die? Well you know now that the government has teamed up with Sesame Street. Oh yeah, Elmo. Well they've got a Sesame Street character named Gordon. and of course Elmo, who will explain the importance of healthy habits including, of course, all the things you need to know about the swine flu, the H1N1, the new H1N1 swine flu, which dude, there are posters everywhere at the airports. It's just outrageous. You know, if you have a fever and you're sneezing, you probably have swine flu, huh?

CHAPTER 14 / 29 Discussion

TSA Security Experiences, Officer Buttman Anecdote

A host recounts a frustrating experience with TSA agents at O'Hare International Airport, highlighting the aggressive nature of security directives. Upon reaching Customs and Border Protection, the host was recognized by an officer whose name tag read "B-U-T-M-A-N." The anecdote explores the irony of being processed by an officer with such a name while fearing a secondary "rectal examination."

tsa· o'hare airport· security screening· mtv· customs and border protection

33:26 Yeah, no such thing as allergies. I went through the humiliation tunnel again. O'Hare is just the worst. And I just detest it when the TSA agents are yelling at you. Oh God, it makes me so... I really have to calm myself down. Take off your shoes! Take off your shoes! Laptops out of the bag! Laptops out of the bag! Laptops out of the bag! Take off your shoes! That's right! Move it along! Move it along! Like, I just want to strangle someone. Just like, hey you, fuck one! Oh, I have a great entering the country story for you.

34:04 Oh, yes, it's been a while. Yeah, we have that, but that's been over a year that you've told one of these tales. Yes, well, it's time for a new one of the humorous variety. So I land at O'Hare and I go to the Customs and Border Patrol agent in the citizens line and there's a guy like my age, maybe a year or two older, turns out he was two years older, and I hand him my passport and I say, good afternoon. And he says, uh, hey, hey, you're the MTV Adam Curry, aren't ya? and I start to say, why yes officer, and I look at his name tag, because I want to say his name, and his name tag reads B-U-T-M-A-N. I'm like, why yes officer, mmm officer. Buttman? Yeah, Buttman, or maybe it was Bootman or something, because it was only one T. It's Bootman to you. I'm not going to mispronounce this guy's name, why yes officer Buttman, that's me.

35:06 I could just see myself retained with rectal examination. I'm like, oh my God. Yeah, I remember watching you. Yes, Officer Buttman. I'm sure you enjoyed it. Bootman. Oh, geez. He let me in though. That was good. Yeah, well, you're on the A-list now. Oh, totally. I think it's because of this show, by the way. Let me actually, let me give you some... And now, back to real news. This is even in the Financial Times. This is news that you'll be interested in, John. Gordon Ramsay standing in the culinary firmament has taken yet another hit with a number of his restaurants drubbed as overpriced and disappointing.

CHAPTER 15 / 29 Discussion

Gordon Ramsay Restaurant Decline, Family Business Dispute

Chef Gordon Ramsay's flagship restaurant in Chelsea has reportedly suffered an "unprecedented slide" in quality according to the Harden's London Restaurants guide. The discussion links Ramsay's professional struggles to a personal rift with his father-in-law, who is a major investor in his business. Speculation suggests the negative press may be influenced by this internal family and business conflict.

gordon ramsay· chelsea· michelin star· harden's· restaurant reviews

35:58 Even his flagship restaurant Gordon Ramsay in Chelsea, which was considered the best gastronomic experience in London last year has suffered quote an unprecedented slide according to the latest edition of Hardin's London restaurants They're now saying it Here it is His seven course menu prestige is not a three-star Michelin experience for 120 pounds I might point out Which is not a bad price by the way for seven courses for seven course in a three-star restaurant That's pretty real, but if it if it sucks Yeah, if it if it sucks this is part of the never-ending smear that began When his business you know people have to realize when they're watching any of this stuff that his that he essentially stepped out on his wife and

36:54 Yeah, that's where it really started. Which by the way, he is still not admitted and still has not really been proven, I don't think. Well, whatever. He stepped out on his wife and the fly in the ointment is the fact that his wife's father was his manager. And major investor. His wife's father is like 40% of the business, I think. Right. And so this is not the guy you want to piss off, you know, by, you know, messing with his daughter and that's when it all began and it seems like no coincidence to me that it's continuing because he refuses to make amends and he's you know that probably him and the guy is obviously the who is the wife's father

37:37 is obviously no slouch, because he's the one who built up this empire and he can tear it down just as fast and he's probably got connections everywhere. Well, but he's still running the company. It makes no sense for him to tear it down while he's still a major shareholder. I don't know what the politics are, but I can just tell you that it seems like no coincidence as far as I'm concerned that this stuff keeps happening to Ramsey. I think it's the way the media works and the way kind of life works, you know, it's a roller coaster, You're built up, you're knocked down. And I can predict right now in a year or two, if we're still alive, he'll have an amazing comeback. He'll fight his way back up to the top and he'll rebuild everything. Maybe he should shut down some of his restaurants in the process and concentrate on one or two of them. I think that'll just happen all by itself. That seems to be the trend of him closing his restaurants.

CHAPTER 16 / 29 Discussion

Pfizer Record Healthcare Fraud Settlement

Pfizer agreed to a $2.3 billion settlement with the Department of Justice, marking the largest healthcare fraud settlement in U.S. history. The fine includes a $1.195 billion criminal penalty for the illegal promotion of certain drugs for off-label uses. The hosts discuss how these costs contribute to the overall expense of the healthcare system and the role of "Timmy" Geithner's Treasury in collecting the funds.

pfizer· department of justice· healthcare fraud· medicare· pharmaceutical settlement

38:38 Yeah, what anyway, yeah, no his flag. I haven't been to that place Gordon Ramsay's in Chelsea. Yeah, I'm sure it's fine I'm sure it's not as horrible as these guys are making it out to be I mean because he's nothing else he's got to Keep that one ship with his name on it At the top of the heap, but of course while everyone is talking about that somewhere buried on page 18 is the record criminal fine criminal fine, I might add, that Pfizer has had to pay for false claims, false advertising, basically selling you shit.

39:20 There was like 1.2 billion dollars. It was in the billions. It's an unbelievable find. This find is completely out of it. In a combination civil and criminal settlement, Pfizer has agreed to pay 2.3 billion dollars, the largest healthcare fraud settlement in the history of the Department of Justice. Within that $2.3 billion is a criminal fine of $1.195 billion, which makes it the largest criminal fine in history. Combating health care fraud is one of this administration's top law enforcement priorities. By all accounts, every year we lose billions of dollars to Medicare and Medicaid funds. There it is. So that of course is why they're trying to play this one out.

40:04 is about the so-called fraud and we need health care reform because these guys are stealing our money. Those billions represent health care dollars that could be spent on medicine. And after we have the reform, they'll stop stealing our money, right? Oh yeah, right away. It doesn't actually say in the article exactly what they did, which I always find disturbing. There were some, the salesmen were doing some bribes and there was a whole bunch of different... Oh, don't tell me they were paying off doctors? Doctors. They were encouraging mis... I don't know what the term is, but I'm going to say mis-prescriptions. In other words, there's drugs that are recommended for this, that, and the other, but you're not supposed to recommend them for these other things, and they're recommending them for these other things to move more product. There was a whole laundry list of stuff they were doing, but it seems to me that all these guys do that. I mean, the Pfizer is just the tip of the iceberg.

CHAPTER 17 / 29 Discussion

Skyline College Shooting, Purple Ford Escort

A shooting occurred in the parking lot of Skyline College following an altercation between two groups. The school utilized a text-messaging alert system to instruct students to "shelter in place," a move the hosts compare to Virginia Tech protocols. Witnesses reported the suspects fled in a "fluorescent purple" Ford Escort with spinning rims and paper license plates.

skyline college· shooting· text message alerts· gang violence· ford escort

41:04 People want to know why healthcare is so expensive. They just need to look at these drug companies. And where does that $3 billion go? Who gets that? They probably never even give them the money. I don't know. They'll fight that for so long it's going to be ridiculous. I don't know. It goes into the treasury. Oh, Timmy Geithner. Timmy Geithner, another fine upstanding citizen. Yeah, it goes right to the banks. So one of the big things going on out here which I find detestable is, oh actually what clips do I have here? Let's play a clip. You got a couple of clips. I don't have any great clips. Poison 1, Poison 2, Shooting at School, 6.

41:49 Oh yeah, the shooting at school is kind of interesting. We had a shooting here. I'll give you the background on it. It was up in the skyline of college. I don't even know what that was, but it's a little junior college, I guess, in the hills. And I guess there was a couple of gangs or some kids that were two black groups and they got into a They're in the parking lot and then they got into a screaming match. One of them, yes, Gerfuffle, and then one of them pulled out a gun and shot one of the other kids in the butt. And then they all scramble out of there as fast as they could, but meanwhile, of course, everybody's preoccupied with the thing and it's Virginia Tech all over again. So they text message everybody and then they do this and that. But there's a couple of punchlines in this story, you have to play the whole thing, that just to me is just the eye roller. And the main one, as soon as you hear it, you're going to go, what?

42:45 What but anyway, but it is also the naive it a of the kids that it's just kind of weird to play it play the weapons drawn They form lines and carefully walked room to room looking for the gunman Meanwhile the school sent text messages to students telling them to shelter in place I gotta stop it right there What happened to the PA system remember that when we were in school John I was like hey kids Get in a safe place. No, we're gonna send text messages. Does the school have everyone's mobile number? Is that now they might? People determine that if they'd done that at Virginia Tech where they don't have a big giant pH isn't because it's an actual University Text messaging probably would have saved some people but the point is is that these kids were in the parking lot and they all raced out of there as soon as this happened so they weren't they weren't what are they looking for and

43:38 stay in your rooms and lock all the doors. There was an altercation between two groups of African American males in the parking lot number six and during that altercation one subject was shot. As police clearly... That by the way was the cop who looked very... Displeased by everything and he just said look there was two good all the occasion a guy was shot You know get out of my face. It was it just apparently was just a simple episode, but anyway go back each classroom They helped 3,000 students calmly evacuate pop pop pop pop and then I was like what was that? These two students say they heard the shots looked up and saw a group of men sprinting toward them. I

44:17 They just started like yelling there like, oh crap, dude, run, run, run. That guy got shot. Police say the men got away in a fluorescent purple Ford Escort with a paper license plate. I was really scared. I saw the gun and I was like. My gosh, I've never seen anything like that before it was impossible to find this vehicle Was literally fluorescent purple with spinning rims and all kinds of They'll never find those guys no way I mean this thing was like so, it was beyond, it was almost lavender. It was just this gaudiest purple thing you've ever seen with paper plates. Yeah, like that makes a difference. This thing lights up the road. What boneheads. Oh man. That's our local news. That's the hot stuff going on around here. That and the fires.

CHAPTER 19 / 29 Discussion

Bank of America Thumbprint Policy, Michelle Bachmann Blood Oath

An armless man was reportedly denied service at a Bank of America because he could not provide a required thumbprint for check cashing. In separate political news, Representative Michelle Bachmann is mentioned regarding her intense opposition to healthcare reform. The hosts also revisit the story of journalists Ling and Lee, mocking their claims of "painful" experiences in North Korea.

bank of america· michelle bachmann· health care reform· discrimination· thumbprint

49:08 People are really really hooked on it. That's a good thing to avoid drinking. Yeah, well in general I think coke is a good thing to avoid. Well here's a headline for you. Is this a real news? Yeah, might as well be. Armless man denied check cashing at Bank of America for not giving thumbprint. Yeah. Seems like real news to me. Yeah, something's wrong with my... Every single time I hit the button it's slow. Or it's not firing. I don't know what's going on. I'm too tired to figure it out. Sounds like you need an upgrade.

49:50 I can probably, I don't know. I don't know. I really don't know. I'm sorry. I see Michelle Bachman in the news again. She's gone crazy. Oh my girlfriend. I love her. What's she doing now? She's deciding that we all need to take a blood oath of some sort. Really? We have to slit our wrists. Blood brothers. I'm all for that. What's the dealio? It's about the health care deal. I mean it's everybody's taking these ridiculous sides, I mean, on an issue that is... I mean, I don't get why the Democrats didn't just ramrod this thing through. They had everybody they needed. They should have just pushed this through in the dead of night. I don't know, what's their problem? Well, they don't have the votes. I guess not anymore. Here it is, freed U.S. journalists suspect they were... This is, by the way, one of the other stories about these dingbats, Ling and Lee.

50:43 Ling and Lee? Ling and Lee? This was the CNN story. Now they suspect they were lured into a trap. Oh, right. While they were conveniently wandering into North Korea. And she did, this is a funny line here, according to the writer, Ling and Lee didn't want to, no, Ling and Lee didn't go into much more detail about their experiences in captivity, saying there are, quote, things that are still too painful to visit. Like eating our notes. It's too painful for me to talk about eating my, we should do that every show, we should eat some notes.

CHAPTER 20 / 29 Discussion

Blackwater Contract Extension, Hillary Clinton SOS Act

The State Department extended a contract with Presidential Airways, a subsidiary of the company formerly known as Blackwater, to provide helicopter transport in Iraq. This extension occurs despite Secretary of State Hillary Clinton's previous campaign pledges to ban the use of private security contractors. The transition to DynCorp International has been delayed, necessitating the continued use of Blackwater assets.

blackwater· presidential airways· hillary clinton· dyncorp· iraq

51:22 Would you like some notes with your beer? I hear this story about Lee and Lee. Eat those notes. Mmm, mash it up really good. Dateline September 1st, 2009, the State Department has extended a contract with Blackwater. I thought they were banned. No, no, no, no, no, no. Sources say the department has agreed to temporarily continue using the subsidiary known as Presidential Airways. These are the guys that smuggle guns and dog food. to provide helicopter transport for embassy employees around Iraq until a new contract with another security company, DynCorp International, oh yeah, is fully implemented. Presidential Airways is an arm of US Training Center, which is a subsidiary of Xi.

52:08 Formally and still commonly known as blackwater of course DynCarp says we're not gonna be fully staffed and certified in order to assume the responsibilities immediately so You know we need these guys to continue. I think In fact I have I have an article wasn't this one of our Secretary of State's promises you know bringing up so there's a promises couple promises website here in these guys are not performing very well hillary clinton as a candidate for president pledged to ban blackwater in february two thousand eight she announced that she would sign on as the co-sponsor of that little-known bill put forward in the house of representatives

52:51 The Stop Outsourcing Security or SOS Act, oh yes we've got an acronym, sought to end the use of armed mercenaries in US war zones. Hey Hillary, what's up with that? Maybe we should ask Bill. We know how much he likes it. It's like all Roseanne, Roseannadanna, people can remember that, you know. These private security contractors have been reckless and have compromised our mission in Iraq, Clinton said in February 28, 2008 statement on the campaign trail. The time to show these contractors the door is long past due. We need to stop filling the coffers of contractors in Iraq and make sure that armed personnel in Iraq are fully accountable to the US government and follow the chain of command. Well, I'm sure you've seen how well that's working at our embassy in Afghanistan.

CHAPTER 21 / 29 Discussion

Afghanistan Embassy Misconduct, War on Terror Rhetoric

Reports from Mother Jones detail "Lord of the Flies" style misconduct by private security guards at the U.S. Embassy in Kabul, including allegations of hazing and abuse of Afghan nationals. Meanwhile, White House spokesperson Robert Gibbs has revived the "War on Terror" phrasing in press briefings. The hosts criticize the continued military presence in Afghanistan and the lack of accountability for contractors.

afghanistan· robert gibbs· mother jones· camp sullivan· human rights

53:42 I hope you blogged this. Yeah, we did. We blogged it about the thugs that are running the thing. Well, it's like Lord of the Flies. We've got, here's Afghan national employed as a food service worker. So these guys like walking around naked. There's pictures of them eating potato chips out of each other's butts, which by the way, thanks for that. It's not recommended behavior anywhere. Simulated anal intercourse. It's like frat boys. and and and and i'm sure that they are either hired i'm sure that we need to get out of that country that stupid that were there you know this is uh... couple interesting things about afghanistan and and are being there so one this is what uh... president obama keeps calling the necessary war and i think we should stop and and evaluate that because i don't know what's so necessary about it

54:43 And returning now to the vernacular, thanks to bonehead Robert Gibbs, the White House spokesperson, he's brought back the war on terror quote. Now that's back. I thought we were getting rid of that. I thought the president said we're not going to say that anymore. And now he's saying it all over the place. War on terror. War on terror. It must have tested well in a focus group. You can't under-resource because of course they want 200,000 extra troops to go in. And by the way, it doesn't have to be, you know, like reservists. It can just be Blackwater dudes.

55:19 You can't under-resource the most important part of our war on terror. You can't under-resource that for five or six or seven years. Oh, really? Whether it's under-resourced with troops, whether it's under-resourced with civilian manpower, whether it's under-resourced with economic development funding. What warmonger said this? This is Robert Gibbs! So basically we just created another Vietnam and the Democrats did it again. But no one's questioning this. No one's questioning it. Well, it's because nobody can question it because they're all, you know, liberals can't question the President of the United States. By the way, I got the name of that blogger that's got the anti-Obama blog who's a black guy. Typical. I mean, these guys go crazy with some of the most offensive, to me, some of the most offensive imagery. But I'll mention it anyway.

56:12 Afrocityblog.com. And this guy is in the same league as that preacher that you were playing earlier. Well, it's a trend John. It's a trend and maybe it's a really good one. It might be unless we get out of Afghanistan and actually start focusing on this country. Well, it would be an idea, you know, we all know that the the Taliban by the way, what happened to al-qaeda when we after those guys I'm confused but They're in Pakistan that they're not in Afghanistan

56:55 An Afghan national employed as a food service worker at the Guard Corps base at Camp Sullivan submitted a signed statement August 16th attesting that a Guard Force supervisor and four others entered a dining facility on August 1st Of course, these were not actual US troops, these were probably Blackwater type guys. Wearing only short underwear and brandishing bottles of alcohol, upon leaving the facility, the Guard Force supervisor allegedly grabbed the Afghan national by the face and began abusing him with foul language saying, you're very good for fucking. The Afghan national reporter that he was quote too afraid of them I could not tell them anything yet no shit. This is from Mother Jones by the way that I'm reading this from. Mother Jones has to report on this.

57:44 Yeah, well you're not gonna get yeah, I think it's pathetic when you have to read news in Mother Jones And it's so it there's just thugs everywhere John. It's just thugs everywhere running every ring It's big-time thuggery and the TSA thugs are very close behind to this type of behavior And by the way, why are they all 300 pounds? Why is that I ran into a skinny guy in Texas? Well, he was screaming about you You cannot have more than three ounces. If it's not three ounces, it's not allowed. You should throw in the garbage. If it's a jar that says six ounces on it but there's only three ounces inside, it will be confiscated. If it says six ounces, if there's nothing inside, it will be confiscated. It should be three, it has to be three ounces in a container that says three ounces and it goes on and on like that.

CHAPTER 22 / 29 Discussion

TSA Liquid Restrictions, Heathrow Terror Plot Acquittals

The hosts argue that TSA liquid restrictions are a "retail scam" designed to force passengers to buy bottled water inside terminals. They point out that the individuals involved in the original 2006 Heathrow liquid bomb plot were largely acquitted or had charges dropped due to a lack of evidence and viable chemicals. The discussion highlights the persistence of security theater despite the failure of the underlying legal cases.

tsa· heathrow· liquid ban· terrorism· airport retail

58:29 just forever. I mean it's like the guy never stopped talking. To settle my anger in these moments in the TSA line, I've now taken to evaluating and studying the x-ray operator. And they rotate, you know, so they all take their little turn. And half of these guys just like sitting there, you know, I know most of the smart money just you know But then I love watching my bag go through because you have the multiple colors that turn an orange blue and you can see all these different things now I wish I had the balls because I know I can't do it I wish I had the balls to take a picture of what my bag looks like because my bag is essentially a big bundle of wires and batteries and

59:10 You know, and if anything, when a bag full of wires and batteries, it goes to the x-ray machine, you might want to just check it. They never ever do. But oh man, if you got some water in that bag, oh the alarm bells go off. Oh, water, water, water, water! Yeah, and I know that too. They can find that water and they can also find a tube of toothpaste or whatever. And I would just like to remind people one more time, we've discussed it on this show, but the reason for this liquids limitation was because there was a so-called bust of so-called terrorists at Heathrow who were intending, it wasn't even at Heathrow, who were intending according to the bust

1:00:00 to take liquids onto American aircraft to mix them up and explode these aircraft midair and bring them down. All of these so-called terrorists were acquitted. They were not convicted. They were actually thrown out. They not only could they not prove that they were planning on doing this, these guys had no passports, had no tickets, and they didn't really even have the right chemicals to do this. They acquitted all of them. And still we have to do this, we have to go through this humiliation. Well, because they came up with a good idea and possibly somebody else can come up with that idea and they can do it. No, it's for retail because the minute you go through you can get yourself a nice knife in first class and you can buy yourself a $7 bottle of water. Well, there's that. It's a retail scam.

CHAPTER 23 / 29 Discussion

CSI Television Influence, Jury Pool Corruption

The "CSI effect" is discussed as a phenomenon where fictional television portrayals of forensic science corrupt the expectations of real-world jury pools. Clips from CSI: Miami and CSI: New York demonstrate unrealistic technology, such as instant DNA results and complex facial recognition sound effects. Legal experts worry that jurors now expect a level of scientific certainty that does not exist in actual police work.

csi miami· csi new york· dna evidence· facial recognition· jury pool

1:00:49 So are you telling me that we've hired all these TSA people for the millions and millions of dollars it costs to keep this thing staffed just so they can sell more bottled water? Amongst other things, yeah. That's possible. There's something in that. You never know. Let's do another one of your clips, John. Uh, yeah, I just play these two clips, Poison One and Poison Two, and then, uh... It's just something that bothers me when I... I'm getting to the point now where it's getting annoying to watch these cop shows. where they come up with these I mean it's just as if police work involved any of this play clip one. Okay so we're missing a big piece of the puzzle here. All this noise you have, stop stop stop. Oh this is uh this is these are the machines that calculate DNA within seconds. No no no that's no this is a this is uh the uh facial recognition CSI right CSI uh

1:01:49 Miami and they and of course the the cops are all standing around this most high-tech projector in the world where they wave their arms and the pictures are changing and Then you know they say well I think that guy's got something to do with it run the facial recognition and they hear all this but they have all these sound effects I can almost see the the faces change Oh That's how it sounds like. Yeah, cool. Wait, wait, wait. Go back. Go back one. That's Zoe Bell's trainer, right? So what's he doing with Patrick Garrity? Has he any of that pictures? Zoom in. I'm gonna use the facial recognition software. Oh, yeah. Okay. He's worked at every single one of the burglarized houses. He's the one.

1:02:47 He's the common denominator of not making a Hamilton. Yeah, those are really good. The sound effects! And he puts this facial recognition... I love it. Now, okay, now we go on to an even more weirder one. This is a little longer, but this is on CSI New York, and they're trying to figure out if some guy had actually done something or not. And the guy had already been convicted. He's already served time, but for some reason they're going to spend the police resources trying to prove he's innocent after he's already out of jail just to clear his name and this is what the cops do and they go put this kind of effort into it. You might as well play this. Okay wait, stop, stop. What they're doing there is the guy was in a car wreck so they've, so the police department apparently has bought a copy of his car and they've hooked it up to some rig that the big automakers use to slam the car over and over again into a pole

1:03:56 wrecking it of course just to see where to explain why a cell phone was sitting in the front seat this is the kind of effort the police do by the way with every small accident go on so they're wrecking a car John you do realize it's it's not it's make-believe no I know but that's not my point is the make-believe part I get created the reported speed of the car and simulated the object of impact and placement of the phone and not once did the cell land on the front passenger side floor where you recovered it And in Neville's vehicle, the power adjustment gears under the seat are too bulky for an object just to slide forward, but that doesn't definitively eliminate the possibility that the driver was holding the phone. But it makes it more plausible that someone in the passenger seat. Is that Belzer? No, no, no, this is CSI New York. That's Gary Sinise and some other guy. Which brings us to the prints. Now, Neville's left thumbprint was on both the driver and passenger seat belt release button.

1:04:50 He certainly could have been a passenger in his own car another time other than the accident. Yes, he could and I thought about that but This is Talmadge Neville's thumbprint lifted from the driver's side release button now based on the position of the apex and the Delta points It appears that never release. Hey John. How's your apex and Delta points doing? Mine are feeling pretty good right now It's the belt from the passenger seat. But there is another possibility. He could have used his left hand from the driver's seat. Doc, I thought about that too, but why would he reach all the way across his body and turn his thumb 180 degrees to release the button? How come we can't find Bin Laden? I mean, we clearly have the technology. I mean, we could really do some amazing shit, but we just can't find this guy, can we? You can play the rest of that now. It's all natural action.

1:05:40 but easily accomplished from the passenger seat. Leads me to conclude that Neville released that belt to let someone else out. So anyway, the point is that a friend of mine who's a pre-law and who does a lot of work for the public defenders, and he's starting to see this already, the jury pool of the United States of America is being corrupted by these shows. Because people watch this crap, and it's complete fiction, and they think the cops are doing this kind of work on a day-to-day basis. So when a cop goes up there on the stand and says blah blah blah blah blah, the cop is telling the truth based on all kinds of work that they've put into this case.

CHAPTER 24 / 29 Discussion

Afghan Opium Production, Bloomberg Commodity Index

Bloomberg reports that Afghan opium prices have hit an eight-year low, with poppy cultivation falling 22% to 123,000 hectares. The hosts question how financial analysts can track illicit drug production with such specific dollar amounts and percentages. They suggest the opium trade is a "completely known industry" that is managed similarly to legal global commodities.

opium· afghanistan· bloomberg· heroin· poppy cultivation

1:06:24 Oh yeah, and also it's a great way to get more technology companies building more crap and tax dollars and pounds and yen and euros being spent on more cameras and more sophisticated shit that doesn't actually work. Right money all the scam money scam scam big scam. I was uh, I was surprised I think it was Tuesday morning. I saw the same story in some high-end publications ie Wall Street Journal Financial Times and I'm reading it here on Bloomberg Afghan opium prices dropped to eight year low and I'm thinking how do they know this? I

1:07:05 Is there an index or something that I'm unaware of? Is there like some open market that these guys have access to? Must be on a Bloomberg terminal. I mean they literally know opium poppy cultivation fell 22, not 20, 22% to 123,000 hectares. So they know how big it is, they know where it is. How come they can't just stop this? and all of this of course really backs up my theory that that the reason we have to have ganas then is to get the drugs and to bring it into the country it's a huge industry of which bloomberg reports on afghan growers made four hundred and thirty eight million dollars from opium this year how do they know that not not five hundred not four hundred no four hundred and thirty eight million dollars yellow too specific to be uh...

1:07:59 How does that work? I mean it just blows me away. I don't understand. And of course, Afghan farmers who produce more than 90% of the opium used to make the world's heroin slash poppy cultivation by... It's like the commodity. Like there's talking about oil. Well there's less poppy output to raise the prices because you know your heroin, your smack is just too cheap. It's the long-legged mac daddy making the smack too cheap on the streets. That's what's happening. I gotta use the long-legged Mac daddy. This is a 42 page They've got analysts on this shit John here lower opium prices in Afghanistan reflect the continuing high levels of opium production Which is thought to exceed global demand for opium and its derivatives

1:08:46 According to the 42 page report issued today annual world demand for illicit opium has never exceeded 5,000 tons. They know everything And there's a picture of these dudes with like, you know with with beards sitting in a poppy field Like no way man. No way. This is a completely known industry They've got it down to percentages to the exact dollar amounts. I mean come on and and we and it was okay, I guess so and And of course Monsanto there was something about Monsanto. I should actually play the Yes, you you got that story too

CHAPTER 25 / 29 Discussion

Monsanto Roundup Ready Opium, Patent Protection in Iraq

Reports suggest that Monsanto's Roundup herbicide is being used for poppy eradication in war zones, leading to the emergence of "Roundup Ready" poppy strains. The discussion links this to Order 81 issued by Paul Bremer in Iraq, which prohibited farmers from reusing protected seed varieties. The hosts argue that agricultural giants are using military occupations to establish patent dominance over local crops.

monsanto· roundup· poppy· paul bremer· iraq

1:09:31 No, you're making a roundup ready opium. Yeah, you're making a joke. No, that's true. Hold on. I was I was making a joke. No, no, no, no, no, it's really true. Let me find the roundup ready opium. It is, it's roundup ready opium. From the start of the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, OCA has been tracking the opportunities for Monsanto. well-known war profiteer think agent orange to take advantage of the current occupations these include pushing Glyphosate which is the roundup herbicide for poppy eradication. Well, it turns out they've now made roundup ready poppy and Of course, they're not sure how this exactly happened I mean could it maybe the the growers have just been mutating this stuff, but yep sure enough. They've got roundup ready poppy and

1:10:23 Wow. In fact, so the idea, okay, so here's the idea, so here's the plan. You bring Monsanto into the picture so they can help eradicate quote unquote the poppy fields. And in fact, what they're really doing is testing the Roundup Ready poppies and that's why they're there spraying Roundup all over everything. And by the way, the people who don't use the Roundup Ready poppy seeds, their fields are wiped out. As reported last year in Iraq, the groundwork has been laid to protect the patents of Monsanto and other GM seed companies. One of Paul Bremer's last acts as head of the Coalition Provisional Authority, i.e. the guys who handed out cold hard cash by the pallet load, was an order stipulating that farmers shall be prohibited from reusing seeds of protected varieties.

1:11:13 So these guys have already got poppy seeds. I'm telling you, they've got poppy seeds. Unbelievable. And we just sit here like schmucks. We really do. Let me... Well, one thing, as we sit here like schmucks, we should remind people to donate to the cause here. You get this kind of information only on this show for some unknown reason, but You know, what else can we do? Dvorak.org slash NA. We need your help. We'd like to get some more donations before Sunday so we can name some people. We also will do some... There are some people that came up with wanting a... Ringtone? Jingle. A ringtone or a jingle? A ringtone, I'm sorry. A ringtone. If anybody wants a ringtone and they give us 50 or 100 dollars, this will be the last time we do it for 50. We're gonna up the ante. We gotta up the ante, yeah. Because there's so much demand.

CHAPTER 26 / 29 Discussion

No Agenda Donations, October Dinner Announcement

The hosts solicit donations via Dvorak.org/NA and NoAgendaShow.com to support the program's production. They offer custom ringtones for specific donation tiers and announce a "No Agenda Dinner" scheduled for October 3rd, coinciding with the anniversary of Abraham Lincoln's Thanksgiving proclamation. Listeners are encouraged to participate in the live stream and community forums.

donation· ringtone· squarespace· thanksgiving· no agenda forum

1:12:05 There's been two people. So much demand for ringtones. I'm telling you, John, people don't listen to the show. They just see a PayPal link and go, oh, I should click on that. Oh, yeah, it'll work. I can use it. So, if you would please help us out with dvork.org slash NA or noagenda.squarespace.com please and we'll thank you profusely on Sunday. Also, we are going to go ahead with the dinner on October 3rd so far. We have a bunch of people that are kind of signing up on an ad hoc basis and we need to inform them. Oh, is this definite now? October 3rd of course, which is the official day of Thanksgiving as per Abraham Lincoln's proclamation.

1:12:46 It was Lincoln. Yeah, Lincoln. And then so if people want to email either Adam or myself, adam at mevo.com or john at the bar dot org and just put in the subject line, no agenda dinner or something like that. So we don't lose it. And I'll have a Sorry, go ahead. But anyway, go to no agenda dot me via or sorry no agenda dot Squarespace comm and Please donate that keep us going for another we can get us into three shows a week. That would be good, too Yeah, and and all of the links everything we discuss is always in the show notes Also, no agenda show is where you can find it. We've got several other initiatives

1:13:25 And don't forget noagendaforums.com if you want to participate in the live stream, noagendastream.com which is usually our typical time is 9am Pacific. time on Sundays and Thursdays. You can also join in at noagendachat.com. We've got a lot of No Agenda. We got a brand new show. This is all done by volunteers, by the way. We thank them profusely for helping us out and keeping this thing running smoothly. So I just have two quick stories. You have laughed at me in the past about this, but thank goodness for Boeing.

CHAPTER 27 / 29 Discussion

Boeing Tactical Laser, Chinese Derivative Defaults

Boeing successfully tested an Advanced Tactical Laser (ATL) capable of destroying a stationary vehicle from the air. In financial news, the Chinese government is reportedly allowing state-owned companies to walk away from loss-making commodity derivative trades. The hosts warn that the massive global exposure to derivatives, estimated at $500 trillion, could trigger the next phase of the financial crisis.

boeing· advanced tactical laser· china· derivatives· financial crisis

1:14:02 They have announced they had a successful test of the ATL the advanced tactical laser Which was able to nuke an unoccupied stationary vehicle from the air Yeah, you go. This is this actually happened about a month or so ago didn't it? It's not a new story No, well that the story is gonna blog it. I was gonna blog and I said brother, you know, just another who knows Yeah, I know they shot a laser from a Boeing big Boeing jet. Yeah, and now they can melt shit. I Already melt the meals they serve on these planes, but it's this is serious business And and I would just like to say that I believe before the end of the year we are going to see the next phase of the financial crisis and it really and now Beijing is is starting to wield its its ugly head and

1:14:57 State, Chinese state-owned companies will be allowed to walk away from loss-making commodity derivative trades. We haven't talked about derivatives in a long time, but the total derivative exposure that's out there is estimated to be like 500 trillion dollars. It's some ridiculous number. And so once that shit starts to unwind, Then hold on to your hats and grab your gold. So what's Do I have another clip left? Yes, you do. But what does it say sixth sense? Oh Sixth sense. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, this is interesting. This is more propaganda that came out This is from a show called lie to me, which I think is actually quite well written and they

CHAPTER 28 / 29 Discussion

Lie to Me, Facial Recognition of Sexual Orientation

A segment from the television show "Lie to Me" claims that people have a "sixth sense" to identify gay men based on facial muscle tension, citing the Journal of Experimental Psychology. The hosts condemn this as dangerous pseudo-science and compare it to the physiological "skull measurement" propaganda used in Nazi Germany. They argue such content is socially divisive and factually incorrect.

lie to me· journal of experimental psychology· facial recognition· propaganda· nazi germany

1:15:49 Since nobody learns anything in school anymore. They they they they throw this this random information into these shows and I'm not absolutely sure what the point of this one was but it's I just like it was kind of a jaw-dropper when I heard I'm thinking what are what is the point of telling us this and with the reference to the to the to the source material play it let's take a look at our victim and More good sound effects by the way. Yeah, I love these. Which group does Dante look like? The men on the left or the men on the right? Ummm... the men on the left? Oh, you have a sixth sense. By that I mean you see gay people. You think Dante's gay? Yeah, and so do you. All the men on the left are gay. A new study in the Journal of Experimental Psychology showed that most people can identify gay men by face alone.

1:16:41 It has to do with the pattern of muscle tension in the face. You know, it is true. Whenever a man's face is in my crotch, I usually think he's gay. That's usually when I... It has to do with the muscle tensions in the face. That is such bullshit. What is that about? That is such bullshit. That is... that's like... what show is that? Lie to Me. That's like... that's dangerous, man. That shit shouldn't be on television. It's like you know what, the only thing that would really nail it is if somebody brought up this point. You know, when you see, you can tell a Jew when you see them. Yeah, that's next. I'm telling you that's next. It's the nose. That's it. Hey, it's that easy. My God. It was like, that's what, you know, they had these posters in Nazi Germany, you know, here's what, you know, with the measurements and the skull and it's not with Jews.

1:17:30 and so uh... but anyway i i just have to tell you i was just taken back by that one and it was also a kind of pointless but it was uh... my older with its its dangerous and is disturbing and it's flat out wrong and patrick henry style in america and this is what we should have our kids watching uh... red blooded god-fearing uh... jesus loving americans are going to stand up and say we're not going to get no more we're just not going to take it So I have one more story. You don't want another Mac Daddy? No, I think that we've got to clip that guy down a little bit so we can use him as a more concentrated. Okay. New and improved, more concentrated, long-legged Mac Daddy. Send me a link to that guy. I'll clip some of it up. It's in the show notes. NoahJendershow.com.

CHAPTER 29 / 29 Discussion

Whole Foods Boycott, SEIU Change to Win

Whole Foods CEO John Mackey faced boycott threats after writing an op-ed critical of the Obama health care plan. Investigation reveals that "Change to Win" (CTW) Investments, led by SEIU executives, is pushing for Mackey's removal. Meanwhile, Tea Party groups have organized "buy-cotts" to support the store. The hosts analyze Whole Foods' 34% profit margins and question why political activists are focusing on a high-end grocery chain.

whole foods· john mackey· seiu· change to win· tea party

1:18:20 So I find something kind of disturbing, and this has to do with two of our knights by the way are members of one of the Tea Party alliances. Wait John, could I call this the... Yeah, it's gonna be as close as you get. So there's a thing that started off the guy, this guy Mackey, John Mackey, CEO of Whole Foods wrote a rather tame anti-Obamacare editorial in the Wall Street Journal. All of a sudden, a number of I don't know, fringe groups decided they're going to boycott Whole Foods, which is going to be highly unlikely considering the people who go to Whole Foods. And by the way, there have been stories, they've been interviewing people out in front of Whole Foods about this and then the shoppers who are all left-wingers usually or hippies. I don't know, I never heard about it. I don't care. I just want some granola.

1:19:16 I was some granola man. But anyway, so they tried to make a boycott happen, but it's a very sketchy situation. In fact, there's some press on a company called CTW Investments that were going to, they said they should fire John Mackey, CTW Investments. So, I think CTW Investments, it's like some venture capitalists want to fire the CEO because he wrote a blame editorial in the Wall Street Journal. So, I basically looked up their, just took their address and ran it through Google and came up with who these people really are. CTW Investments is actually a, I think a 501c3, one of those things. It's an operation called Change to Win.

1:20:02 and the head of it and many of the members, but the head woman who runs it is also an executive at the SEIU. Okay! And meanwhile, I think they became the CTW or CTW Investments and the T is small by the way, it's small T capital W which is change to win if you don't figure that out. They also for some unknown reason have posted or somehow somebody posted their form 8872 on the internet which came from 2006 and back then they took in 1.5 million dollars. From?

1:20:40 Well, just from donors. But they doled out a, they doled, they didn't say who it came from. But that's the kind of money, by the way, compare that to the two or three hundred bucks a week we get. Exactly. Thank you. I want to mention that to people, you know, devorek.org slash I mean, these guys are getting $1.5 million and they're only spending about $400,000 and mostly to different parties. The Florida Democratic Party got $50,000. The Ohio Senate Democrats got $15,000, on and on. They've sucked up so much money that they've had to start an investment company to put it somewhere, which is the only reason that these guys even have an investment company. Meanwhile, the Tea Party people have decided to create something called a boycott.

1:21:26 A boycott? Yeah, this was to reverse the damaging effects of this bogus boycott that is doing nothing. And now this is a very interesting situation because the Tea Party people, apparently, you know, they've all become friends because they didn't know each other before that Tea Party incident that was a tax revolt or whatever against Obama in general. And now they've got to do something with their spare time. And instead of doing something productive, they're going out of their way, and there's news stories all over the place, to shop. And we're talking about a bunch of, you know, like right-wingers and old people and, you know, retirees shopping at Whole Foods, which is funny in itself. But why?

1:22:11 Well, I mean, if you can imagine, I mean, I think the whole thing's a publicity stunt done by Whole Foods. The Whole Foods, by the way, is a company that does almost $8 billion a year in revenues, 2.71 in profit, the highest margins of all the food stores. In other words, they say, well, our stuff's more expensive because it's, you know, better. It's also marked up more because they have a 34% margin. as opposed to every other grocery outlet. In fact, the average for the industry is 26. So they're eight points above everybody else. So why, may I ask you, conservatives out there and you crazy radicals, Republican radicals, led by one or two, there's a writer now that's got a couple of books out on the topic who's a guy from Harvard. Why are you spending your time

1:22:57 Going to shop at Whole Foods, although it may be educational for you, when there's other things to do. This is bogus. This is stupid. John C. DuBois, Expedit Bob Day. I'd like to remind you that we have a motto here at No Agenda. You know what we do. Our formula is this. We go out, we hit people in the mouth. And we do it twice a week. And if you would take a little bit of that money that you're spending at Whole Foods, we could do it three times a week. overspending in Whole Foods. Yes. They don't need your help. 34% margin. Outrageous. Hey, I gotta go. I gotta check my poppy stocks on Yahoo. Okay, that's a good idea. Make sure my commodity futures are okay. Probably the best investment you can make. Yeah, no kidding.

1:23:54 Coming to you from the 17th century canal house in Gitmo Nation East in the center of Amsterdam, where I'll be for a Sunday show as well. I'm Adam Currie. And from Northern Silicon Valley, where it's actually going to be another hot day because our summers are always after summer is over. I'm John C. Dvorak. Happy birthday to me. Talk to you again on Sunday right here on No Agenda.