Small Steps Toward Better Health

00:01 I can't believe this thing doesn't work for shit. No, I'm not ready I gotta make I have to blow up my browser cuz it's damn Twitter fuck me over Adam Curry John C. Dvorak it is August 6 2009 time for your getmo nation audio publication episode number 119 this is no agenda and coming to you from the minimum Security containment cell in Gitmo Nation West under threat of eminent domain demolition. In San Francisco, California, I'm Adam Curry. And from Silicon Valley North, the lovely Silicon Valley North, I'm John C. Dvorak.

00:47 Because you've been up all night last day a couple of days ago. Yeah, I know well yeah that too But I'm actually talking about my my fader Fox MIDI controller. I got a new one. It's working well So somebody in Texas sent it to you or what it's a half. It was Texas. It's a What's the name of the of the strikes? I want to thank that guy one of our producers is Sent a sent me an email saying hey Adam, you know You don't have to go all the way to Germany to get the the fader Fox There's apparently a couple outfits in the States. This was actually from San Francisco robots speak that's the name of the store and Who was it that sent the email to me? F shin Pete no pea shin

01:32 Uh, yeah, it's in San Francisco. All that work. Yeah. So, uh, I'm happy. I got a brand new fader fox that's working like a champ. Yeah, show us your chops. Give us a sound effect. You hear me fading? Yeah, you were going in and out and making it sound like crap. Yeah, I heard that. Wait, wait, now say something. Say something. People? Ha ha, it worked, I can fade you away. Perfect, I have control. Yeah, well, that's the disadvantage of the show. So, uh... I take all of the production upon me, yeah? So what do you got this week, Adam? I got a few clips we can play.

02:19 Yeah, we can do clips. We could also launch right into it with just an amazing new company which I learned about which is like a total Apple-type company only it's a wholly owned subsidiary of... Did you see that email came in this morning? No, I didn't. I missed it. I'm on the email now. Should I go look for it? No, no, no, no. This is from one of our producers, from Joe Carlson. And bringing up his email now, he lives in... Excuse me, all these billboards. Joe's one of my bloggers. Oh really? Oh cool, okay. Well he sent us a link to iKorn.com. I would really appreciate you looking at iKorn.com, John. Yeah, isn't that a hoax? Oh, is that a hoax? I get the feeling it is, yeah.

03:14 Really? I mean it looks... it's very very very elaborate for that to be a hoax. Let me take a look. So this is... If that's a hoax then it's a really good one and I deserve to be slapped for it. Introducing iKORN. Well maybe it is a hoax. No man, this is... it's like... gosh let me see. Contact us. Let me see if there's real contact information here. It's very elaborate. Anyway, iKORN appears to be a company that sells genetically modified soybeans and corn. Are you still there? Yeah, no, I'm reading this thing now. I'm looking at this guy, he's got an OSU connection, which by the way is the colors of the iCorn logo, Oregon State, which apparently is basically in bed with Monsanto. Yeah. In fact, we got some email from somebody with some, which I'll have to dig up for a future show that has a lot of documentation about that.

04:19 Well I'm just looking at all these different products and they all have interesting names like 103.VT6 it has the maturity date description. Maybe it's like a... if you look at the people behind iKORN these four guys and a girl these four guys are wearing the exact same shirt. Yeah, you're right. Well look at it. They've got their corporate office that I mean that's it's way too elaborate John This is how crazy it's become with these Monsanto fuckers is they now have companies with? Interactive you know web 2.0 names like iKorn and they're selling you know this genetically modified strains of of Corn and and soybean and and it looks so crazy that you can't believe it's actually true, but I think it is and

05:08 Yeah, you might be right. I don't see I'm not finding the earmarks of the hoax Here's the 104.7 are which is known as the oh, I love this. Hold on. They call it the roundup ready corn Maturity, it's new by the way, you know how much how much how much? How many weeds do you need to put away? I mean, corn grows so fast and grows so tall that there's no weeds that can compete with it. Corn is a weed. But just listen to how they... listen to how... that's interesting that you say that, that corn is a weed. Well, I mean, it's a grass, but it's a weed-ish kind of thing. I mean, it's like... it grows like a weed. It's a nuisance. So this is Roundup Ready, which I guess means it can resist Roundup?

05:54 Yeah. So 104.7R is a new 104 day Roundup Ready Corn 2 that has excellent agronomics and is a great fit on variable soil fields, medium and light textured soils. It matures in exactly 104 days. I mean this shit is science fiction. So this company is out of Cicero, Indiana actually. At least that's where they're registered if you look into the domain name registration. You're already one step ahead of me, but just if this is creepy man It's creepy and they have so they have corn that'll mature in 107 days 109 days I mean isn't that shit supposed to be kind of like natural and it's just like a hundred between a hundred and 120 days and now they've got it down to an Absolute I can't get worked up about it. I don't eat that much corn. Yeah, you don't need any meat that has been bred on well I actually would like to just only eat grass-fed. That's what my point exactly

06:53 I mean, I don't want to get... I mean, this stuff is probably... Who knows? I mean, you caught me off guard. I'll have to look into iKORN and see what they're doing. It's elaborate. If it's a hoax, it's way elaborate. I don't think it's a hoax at this point. Sorry. Yeah, and it's freaking me out. It really is. I can tell. It's freaking me out. Let's get to your sound clips then. That'll make me feel better. Let's do a couple of little lightweight ones here. We don't want to do the Ministry of Truth? the propaganda yet a minister truth well okay let's run the ministry of what we've got to say you gotta set up properly okay so apparently there's a bunch of weird mystery of truth stuff coming out by the way and i i didn't email also got that uh... holding here from uh... atomic man commission every part of this year so a lot of disinformation about health insurance reformats out there but also the white house you know has a new policy if you go right out that god slash blog slash facts are stubborn things

07:47 It turns out the White House is now asking you, if you get an email or see something on the web about health insurance reform that seems fishy, send it to flag at whitehouse.gov. So we can go and nuke that person. Basically, yeah. So now they have a propaganda minister working on that. I guess they have one for each new one, any one of these initiatives. But let's listen to propaganda ministry one clip one MP3 that's on here. I'm Linda Douglas. I'm the communications director for the White House Office of Health Reform. And one of my jobs is to keep track of all the disinformation that's out there about... I love that. The disinformation that's out there.

08:26 It's my job at the Ministry of Truth. Okay, nothing can be further from the truth. Let's play, instead of playing the short one, which is Propaganda Ministry 2, play Propaganda Ministry 2-Long. This incorporates the video that was uncovered, it's been on a number of sites. Which one? Listen to this and tell me how this is nothing further from the truth. I mean, what she said is just bold. You want me to play long or short?

09:21 Now play it along. to access a federal system or a state pool of some sort. But I don't think we're going to be able to eliminate employer coverage immediately. There's going to be potentially some transition process I can envision a decade out or 15 years out or 20 years out. I don't think we can eliminate employer insurance immediately. It's exactly what he's doing. He just said it there. Yeah, I know. What is she talking about? Was this part of her clip? No, no. She... This was pieced together. Everybody's done this a little differently. Her clip... She never showed the clip. No, no. She just said it's not true. And my takeaway, by the way, because I had a couple different... We pulled the same clips essentially.

10:20 She goes on to say what people do is they take little clips and pull them out of context and then post it in a form that makes it seem to support their lies. And then she subsequently goes on to show a couple of clips out of context to support her story. It's exactly what she's doing. It's unbelievable. She's no good at this. So we play the shorter clip now? The shorter clip is just essentially an excerpt from that long clip. Let me just stay with that for one second. You have to go look at this link in the show notes at noagendashow.com or noagenda.squarespace.com and you'll see that she is literally saying

11:09 Hey, you know, first of all, you've got a report on all these evil people who are, you know, disseminating lies. So that's like tattletaling. You know, this is like, you gotta be a tattletale. Scary, scary shit. And I love the email address flag at Whitehouse dot gov. By the way, please send this show to flag at Whitehouse dot gov. It'll do them good to listen to us. Well, that's a great idea because that way they'll have to listen to us. Yee-haw! Anyway, we'll do anything we can to get another listener. Wait a minute. Let's make sure we get their attention. Jobs, jobs, jobs and jobs. Let's vote for jobs! Okay. That should do it. People at the office are literally screaming that in the hallways now. Hey Adam, good morning. Let's vote for jobs! They're all so happy they have a job.

12:04 Alright, I like your clips John, what else you got rocking? Well, you know, just to touch on the Sotomayor thing, it's kind of interesting because the left-wing talk show hosts are jumping all over, you know, the one or two guys who are going to vote against Sotomayor, which is very rare for anybody to do that because it's a done deal. so they're just making it look like they just hate the Hispanics, they hate the Latinos, they're a bunch of creepy, you know, Republicans and they go on and on and on and on and the most interesting clip I ran into was a testimony that Orrin Hatch gave before the Senate and it was actually very long and I only took a small part of it and I also cut the pauses out by hand. Because his pauses are damn long.

12:47 So I had to cut it down. It still has pauses, but it's not as bad. But anyway, so he pointed out the fact, he actually supported her at the beginning, and then when he grilled her at one of the hearings, he found her to be a little bit smug and disingenuous and wouldn't answer some questions that weren't that hard to answer. And I look at Watcher Network back, and she is very smug, but you know. I think she'll be taken down a peg or two when she actually becomes a court member. But he pointed out that she's really not a supporter of individual rights. She thinks the Second Amendment is bogus, nobody needs to carry guns so they just ban them all. She isn't much for freedom of speech.

13:27 And then when it comes to property rights, he's got this story to tell and I thought this was just pathetic. He likewise gave short shrift to the fundamental right to private property. This is an express right in the Constitution. In Didn versus Village of Port Chester, Judge Sotomayor Wait a minute, this is what I'm dealing with, eminent domain, right?

14:06 Exactly, this is an eminent domain thing, but this specific situation which he bitches about the general eminent domain laws, but this specific thing with her makes her look like just a hanging judge that is horrible. In Ditton however, the village had only announced a general plan for economic development. No taking of anyone's property had occurred. Mr. Didn sued only after the village actually took his property. Yet in another cursory opinion, that for some reason took more than a year to produce, Judge Sotomayor denied Mr. Didn even a chance to argue his case. She said that the three year period for filing suit began not when the village actually took his property, but when the village earlier had merely announced its general development plan. In other words, Mr. Didn should have sued over the taking of his property

15:02 before his property had been taken. But had he done so then, he would certainly have been denied his stay in court because his legal rights had not yet been violated. This catch-22 amounts to a case of dismissed if he did and dismissed if he did not. Once again, Judge Sotomayor gave inadequate protection to a fundamental constitutional right. Yeah. Yeah, that doesn't surprise me. She's obviously in on the game. She's on the inside. She knows what to do. Well, I found it distressing, that story in particular, because that is just an example of the judiciary run amok. I mean, it's totally unfair. I mean, the guy obviously... Unless Hatch was full of crap and made the story up.

15:50 Well you know I don't think many people know but it's my understanding that you don't actually own your property anyway which is the whole reasoning behind property taxes. You don't actually own the ground, you own real estate which is what's... No you do own the ground, you don't necessarily own the mineral rights. Mineral, are you sure that you absolutely sure that you own the ground? Well first of all you don't because it can be taken away under eminent domain so you don't actually own it. But they can't just casually take it away under eminent domain. Well apparently they can. I mean they apparently do but they're not supposed to. You got judges like her, yeah. It's also my understanding John that this is, I've seen a lecture once, it was a really long boring lecture and some guy was explaining, a professor was explaining how you don't actually own your automobile.

16:35 Have you ever heard of this? Because you get a title but that's not actually an ownership paper. Well if I can buy it and sell it as far as I'm concerned that's ownership. Yeah. Dude, dude, dude, everyone have a drink. Did you see that video the YouTube clip of them basically destroying the Volvo that's been flipping around the country? I actually have it in my box but I haven't checked it out. It's fantastic and this is when we're talking about the cash for clunkers bill on the last show and by the way the day after or the same day, I think it was the Sunday New York Times, I'm reading this, you know, page 18 of course, that many, many auto dealers are freaked out because, you know, basically the plan ran out of money. They still are trying to collect their four and a half thousand dollars per destroyed automobile from the government coffers.

17:28 and they don't know if they're going to get money. And so now you see all these disclaimers under Cash for Clunkers ads on television, basically saying as long as supply lasts, as long as government funding is still there. So many dealers are no longer even participating because they don't know if the money is going to be there. They had this rush $2 billion extra allotment of money that I think it passed the House. I'm not sure if it's through the Senate yet. But you see this video and you see all these cars lined up, these perfectly, as far as I'm concerned, I mean I'd take this Volvo that was sitting there, I'd take it right off this guy's hands no problem. In fact it's probably worth four and a half grand. And they pour some kind of sulfuric acid onto the engine and they sit there, they gun the engine for about seven minutes until it just dies. So what was the point of this?

18:18 when you look at it, when you see this destruction taking place, it feels really wrong. It's the video, it's one of these magical video moments that just... Yeah, but what is the point? Who's doing it and why? Well, we've talked about this too, there's many theories. I don't know, it's happening all over the world. Every country seems to have their Cash for Clunkers program and you're... Yeah, I know, but what is the point of taking this car and not just sending it to the normal junkyard and smashing it and that's the end of it? I don't know John, it was... your assertion was it was to buy American automobiles. I don't know. It makes no sense because they're doing this in the Netherlands, in the United Kingdom. No, I'm not talking about that. I'm talking about the purpose of the video.

19:05 The purpose of the video is just a... someone videotaped these guys destroying these cars. Who's these guys? I would say the dealership who's responsible. The dealerships don't do that. That's not what they do. No, the dealer sells it to or you know sells it to the scrap guys and the scrap guys have to get rid of it so then it's the scrap guys. You can see, you can see in the video, you see all these cars lined up, all the hoods are open and one by one they're pouring sulfuric acid or whatever acid onto the engine. They gun the engine until it dies. Silicate wood is what I understand. And details. But it's painful to watch. That's my point. You look at it, this video hits you right in the gut. It feels horrible to see this. It's almost like watching someone put a dog down. I understand what you're saying. You're saying it seems like a waste of resources to take a perfectly good automobile and scrap it in this manner. At our cost, yes.

20:00 Last time I looked, and I used to inspect Schnitzer Steel, which is a recycling company. Hank reared in metal, yes. Reared in metal. Of course you did, John. It's not the way they do it, but... Okay, I'm waiting. It just seems like the thing was... it just seems like a... I have to go look at it now because it seems like it was just rigged for effect. The video? Yeah. I'm just saying because I mean it's just the whole thing that there's just something doesn't add up. And I know there's the right wing is extremely against the cash for clunkers thing because they don't like the idea of giving money away. And they specifically, unless it's to bankers, they specifically don't like the idea that this actually resulted in I guess a quarter of a million cars that sold.

20:57 and like instantly and so they've been against it like and they don't like the idea of another two billion going to it personally the money as far as I'm concerned is still coming from the same pot and I'd rather see it going to jobs John it should be going to jobs John isn't that what was promised to us? Jobs jobs jobs and jobs let's vote for jobs Circulating a billion dollars worth of money into the private sector by buying and selling cars is contributing to jobs. It's not contributing to the manufacturing, although it's keeping the car companies going. So I don't think it's not going to jobs. I mean, it sure is more than giving a trillion dollars to bankers so they can keep their bonuses.

21:45 Well, along these lines of course we have the awesome recovery.gov and I think we should probably touch briefly on the $18 million contract but I went there yesterday on my smoke break at the office. There's a new feature on the side, John. And what might this be? It's the Chairman's Corner and this is a little blurb written by Earl, Earl who is the chairman of the recovery.gov. And first of all, this is it did they have to pay another 18 million to get this guy's side up? Well, it it's part of the 2.0 initiative. But what the two things caught my eye. First of all, I have a feeling that whoever writes stuff coming out of the White House is it's the same guy, you know, because halfway down this page, if you go to the the chairman's corner,

22:42 He's like under a separate contract. So of course, he's actually talking about the website under a separate contract awarded by the General Services Administration We're working with a new design team to upgrade recovery gov to a web 2.0 site Which by the way costs about 18 million dollars that is a second generation website that will be user-friendly Interactive and provide you with state-of-the-art mapping technologies that will improve your understanding of the data We are displaying and here it comes. Let me be clear colon We will be displaying vast amounts of data. This let me be clear thing, it's like, it's a giveaway that it's the same person or the same department writing this shit. It can't just be a meme that everyone's latched onto so crazily. Or am I out of control?

23:30 I'm not going to argue the point. So most of these things you can run a, you know, you can run analysis on some of this stuff and you can almost pinpoint who it is that's writing it. But obviously this guy's not, unless he says, let me be clear. I mean, if you keep hearing it enough and they all, obviously they're saying they are saying it a lot. I mean, Obama says it constantly. So there's, there's a couple of, let me be clear as opposed to what? So there's a couple of things he mentions. He mentions another new site we need to look at John federal reporting.gov. which I encourage you to go to. The site is basically one page and it says the online recipient reporting tool is expected to be available for the quarterly report due October 10, 2009. It's an online portal apparently.

24:16 for contractors and grant recipients to report their spending of the money. Of course, this is not, you know, it's all like opt-in. Hey, I got my money. I might as well go to that website and put some numbers in there. But it's pretty interesting, it says right here on this page, federal contractors are not required to report on July 10th. And there's all these federal register laws and regulations. It doesn't seem like the reporting is quite as transparent as it was made out to be. And then there's this whole thing if you go back to the chairman's corner, the last paragraph, citizen IGs help wanted.

25:00 and it's about the analysis of how your money is being spent. That analysis is vitally important to us here at the Recovery Board. I like to think of the many millions of Americans who visit recovery.gov as citizen IGs, investigators who will help us find irregularities and possible misdeeds. So, citizen IG Dvorak, we've been on a little bit of a quest, haven't we? I have to say, but you know, if we're gonna do that kind of investigation, let's go to Muckety, which is Muckety that kind of shows interrelations between people and we put in Earl Devaney, who is who we're talking about. Map of Earl Devaney relationships is interactive, you can move around. So his main connections are US Department of Interior, the Recovery Act Transparency and Accountability Board, the US Environmental Protection Agency, somehow, Jack Abramhoff.

25:54 The Minerals Management and Service Investigation and the U.S. Secret Service. So... Awesome. Well, his relationship to Eberhoff is he investigated him. He's a cop. Yeah, they're all cops. They're all co- well, and the idea of course is okay that, you know, we want oversight done by people who have some investigative background, but wouldn't you want more like a regulator? No, I mean, even an investigator, I mean, he's a secret- ex-secret service agent, is that what it is? I guess. And that's what it says on Mucketty says he was an agent there. So what they would is how it isn't was an investigative agent and As an investigator does that make him a manager? I mean, I'm just not getting this well Of course our producer John stack who has just been on fire lately has has really been getting all of the documentation On the smartronics the company that was contracted for 18 million dollars to build this interactive new design

26:56 And I look at the PDFs and everything's been taken out. It's all redacted. It's like pages and pages of black, which is exactly the parts where it says how the money's being spent. I don't understand. And then it's all under the guise of, well, you know, we don't want these companies have to give up competitive information about how they build a fucking website. Yeah, please. It's messed up. Let's see, here's the quote. Well, here's the funny thing. ByteLaw sent me this quote that Devaney gave when he was Inspector General, I guess, investigating the Department of Interior. Short of crime, anything goes at the highest levels of the Department of Interior, declared Earl Devaney. This was a New York Times article.

27:47 So I'm thinking, well maybe he's taking a hint because it sounds to me as though spending 18 million dollars for a 500,000 dollar max website is anything goes. So he says, well, I looked around, I saw the Department of Interior, anything goes, well, let's go for it. I bet you he goes around in a limo. Anyway, all of these links, the PDF, everything, it's all in the show notes at noagenda.squarespace.com. And you'll see, the proposal which I read, which they were awarded this $18 million contract on, $9 million to start with in phase one, which is guaranteed another nine if they continue. I've written these proposals myself.

28:33 It's it's almost a template. You know, yeah, we'll have secure backups off-site backups You know, we'll have and by the way, the government is providing all of this. They're providing the the server facility They're providing the connectivity. So these guys do nothing. I know I mean anything they're walking a server in and And then like, oh, and we're providing these awesome data, you know, huge data feeds like RSS and Adams so that citizens can provide mashups of complex data structures. It's like blah, blah, blah. You know, we wrote that in 1998, except we could never get more than like half a million for it, which by the way was outrageous at the time too. I'll be very honest about that, but 18 million, it's just, it's messed up.

29:20 Well, nobody's calling him on it except us. Nobody cares. If we're going to go to the stupid government sites, I think we have to immediately jump to this one. HHS.gov. Our producer, Audrey Hyatt, gave us a link to this. And I guess you found the small step adult and teen page. Oh, hold on. Let me find it for you. There are many ways that you can take small steps toward better health and you can do it today! With an exclamation mark. Wait, let me bring up that page. It's too funny. Let me just finish reading while you're looking for it. We provide over a hundred tips below to take small steps to a healthier lifestyle for you and your family. Steps that are simple and free!

30:10 Choose from any one of these small steps. Who's really was this like an ad copywriter that's writing this stuff This is definitely not the same person This is the Department of Health and Human Services and these are tips for you to stay healthy from your government, by the way Yes, so do you have the page? I can't find it. Oh, yeah. Well, I've got it I printed it out just for that reason. Okay. Let me just go over some of the things that you should do according to your government under drink Use fat-free milk over whole milk. Drink water before a meal. Drink diet soda. This is my favorite. You know, please, if it has aspartame in it, please drink it because Donald Rumsfeld drinks it too. Consume alcoholic beverages in moderation, if at all. Order your latte or hot chocolate with fat-free skim milk.

31:08 My favorite was, don't eat any portion larger than your fist. It has like a whole fisting connotation to it that really just like actually it's smallstep.gov John that's the that's the site you that's the site you want to go to okay small step Small step step.gov and then it's under learn more. I believe it's like ridiculous Why fat-free milk because it's been processed that gives some you know, these these processors. I mean It gives the ability to make extra money. I And then there's a but the diet soda thing is really pathetic. Don't eat late at night. Don't skip meals Don't skip breakfast don't take seconds do yard work and skip buffets take dog to the park

31:55 Eat off smaller plates. Fetch the newspaper for yourself. Don't make your wife do it. Wash the car by hand. Run when... By the way, there's like 200 of these tips. Dance to music. Share an entree with a friend. Eat more celery sticks. Stop eating when you are full. Choose smaller sized snacks. Oh my god. It's dry a new fruit or vegetable Ask your sweetie to bring your fruits or flowers instead of chocolate Honey, could you bring me fruits and flowers? She doesn't want to fetch the newspaper anymore. Hey, thanks government when eating out ask your server to put a half your entree in a to-go bag

32:48 Be adventurous. I'd like to have to go back even before I taste it, thank you. We should print this out and take it to the next restaurant we go to. This is what the government advises. Be adventurous. Expand your taste to enjoy a variety of foods and physical activities. This must be a $20 million website, John. This is real 2-pointed stuff. Try thin slices of avocado on a sandwich or sprinkle some nuts on a salad. How about do sit-ups in front of the TV? Yeah, now that's... now we're talking. Or skate to work instead of driving. What the f***? Am I Hans Brinker? Am I Hans Brinker here? The Bay Bridge.

33:31 Yeah, take a walk or do exercises in Oh do desk exercises instead of a cigarette people who do desk exercises Let me do some desk exercises while you clowns work Be active walk the dog. Don't just watch the dog walk. Oh This is crazy. There's a comedian writing this material. Here, here, here, here's a good one. Walk briskly in the mall. This is off the hook. When walking, go up the hills instead of around them. Okay, now I've heard it all. Don't walk around that hill, young man. Walk up the hill. You shall be good and strong. Get a dog and walk it. I mean, who the hell comes up with this shit?

34:25 Try it's a it's just this endless people. You got to go look at this website. It's just an eye roller It's not an eye roller. It's a knee slapper a thigh. It's a knee slapper. You're right. It's too funny Okay, stop. I can't handle it that crap is too much for me and that's a real website small steps gov I just love it man. Alright so moving along here, I got another one. Another clip. Another clip? Okay good. Alright here are the two ding, I hate to be negative and grumpy, harsh, but the two dingbats who wandered into North Korea because they're gonna do a story. They think they're sneaking into their high school to steal some you know questions for a test. These are Americans? Who are these?

35:17 Yeah, there were two American journalists. They walked across the border and they were captured and they've been in you know prison for the last month or so. Yeah. And it's kind of like a logical thing, you know, don't go hiking in North Korea. No, they were going to sneak in. They were thinking they were James Bond. They were working for current TV Al Gore's operation. And they went in there and there were idiots. And by the way, the right wing talk radio guys are, the North Koreans kidnapped them and we should have taken our gunboats and blown them out of the water. You know, they just went on and on with all this bull. Meanwhile,

35:53 They finally got their release, so Clinton had to go get them. Did you see those pictures? It looked like he was next to Kim Jong-il, but Kim Jong-il looked like a cutout. It didn't look like a real dude. Both looked like a cutout. I thought they were two cutouts. It's like inflatable Clinton, inflatable Kim Jong-il. They looked as fake as they could be. But anyway, so here's the two women after they got brought back into the country and uh... and she just one goes on and on with this with this kind of uh... rightly off thirty hours thirty hours ago 30 hours ago you know Lee and I Were prisoners in North Korea who did Annalee did she say that that's her? There's this is the other one okay, but it's not Annalee Nemitz is it from wire no No, it's a visa to do know this is an of these Anna first name Lee second of Chinese, okay? we fear that

36:50 At any moment we could be sent to a hard labor camp. Okay, stop. This is clearly current reporters who do exactly what they do on current TV is try and stir up the shit. They went looking for it and now, we could have been sent to a prison camp. And then suddenly we were told that we were going to a meeting. Have some cabernet yeah, you get wetter. She says meeting she sighs let's listen to that again to have some cabernet with Kim jong-il a meeting to a meeting like a ten-year-old We were taken to a location and When we walked in through the doors We saw standing before us

37:43 President Bill Clinton. There's a million jokes there. I can't wait for the rest of it. Oh, it gets worse. Oh, they're clapping. They're clapping. Where is this who's clapping for this? This is a little crowd There's Al Gore standing there and a couple of the family members and it's a it's a clownish Setup dude, so so isn't this dude, dude, isn't it? Like Gore said hey bill bill bill. Listen up, dude I got a good one. Listen, dude, you you go. I'm gonna send these two boneheads there We'll get him picked up and you go catch him on the other side, dude. It'll be cool. Watch this shit, man We were shocked, but we knew instantly in our hearts that the nightmare of our lives was finally coming to an end. To the complete strangers with the kindness of hearts who showed us so much love

38:48 And sent us so many positive thoughts and energy we thank you We could feel your love all the way in North Korea it is what Okay, wait wait. That's the end of this. That's the end of the clip. I'm listening to this thinking Is there any way we can send them back? Please, let's get rid of him. This is crazy. What is the point of this? It's a distraction. Or is it a setup for something? Nothing to see here, News. It's a setup of some form. Don't look over here. Nothing to see here. You know, I can totally see Al Gore and Bill Clinton dreaming this scheme up.

39:35 I can't do it so pathetic and you're right these are the two dummies that would do it. I mean how stupid can you be? I mean then I'd have but then all these people that are not only defending them but saying they were kidnapped. It's like bull, I mean yeah you kidnap, it's like you know you were in somebody else's house and shot. Oh they were shot in the you know, it's not like shooting somebody in the street. I mean this is ridiculous. Everybody knows North Korea is not a place you can just wander into. Especially to get a story. Let's just follow the steps for a second. They go in, and this is by their own admission they were going in to get a story? Yeah, there were two journalists from Current TV and they were going to sneak in through China. Current TV, which by the way needs a hot story because they're running out of money, their IPO didn't happen, they're laying off people left and right, the entire gaming division was just laid off. Yeah, they're over here in San Francisco as a matter of fact. Yeah, so people from Current are coming over and trying to get work with us, which we only got so much to go around.

40:37 So they desperately need a big story. They get kidnapped and of course this is now the big story on talk radio. So I can see where it was maybe a set up to either A, help Current TV, B, raise Bill Clinton's profile because of course Al Gore said, yo, yo, Bill dude, dude, get your ass on the plane man, get over there, go save them, get them unkidnapped. It's something like that but it's just pathetic. Well, I mean the two of them listening to them whine. I mean, if they had any sense, they would have come and said, we'd like to thank everybody for helping us get out. We'll talk about this later in the press conference. They could have done anything, but standing there, you know, acting like a couple of kids, whining and talking about the vibes that they felt from people. You know, I don't know. It was a bad vibe. Yeah, dude. When you walk into North Korea, you can expect some bad vibes.

41:32 It's a known fact. They should have noticed. Clinton flew into North Korea. Yeah, no worries there, eh? Through the front door. Hello? To pick up some cabernet. Sneaking into somebody's house. Hey, it's time for another installment, John, of... Shadow Puppet Theater. In the auspices of complete transparency and not working with lobbyists, President Obama's administration is picking a lobbyist for US Attorney. A copyright lobbyist, no less. Oh God. Deputy Attorney General Neil McBride, who listed in 2007 as a lobbyist with the Business Software Alliance, in other words Microsoft, that's Microsoft, if you call them, Microsoft picks up, has been named by the Washington Post as the most likely candidate to fill the role of US Attorney in Alexandria, Virginia.

42:28 So another lobbyist coming in. And you know if I'm not mistaken if I could be wrong. You could be wrong John. But when Obama was running he said he wasn't gonna hire any lobbyists he thought it was a plague. Yeah I'm not quite sure what happened there. Well maybe we misunderstood, maybe they cut, maybe that it wasn't recorded right, maybe he said he's gonna hire only lobbyists. Maybe we just misunderstood it. Man oh man. Okay, so let's go we're going to talk about misunderstanding. Let's go through that. I have a clip here. That's kind of funny. And in fact, this is when you have to keep on the on the machine. This is the no taxes medley, which is a bunch of things that were put together of Obama saying he's not going to raise taxes. Give that a shot. I can make a firm pledge under my plan. No family

43:18 making less than $250,000 a year. Which includes 98% of small business owners. You will not see your taxes increase one single dime under my plan. Not your income tax, not your payroll tax, not your capital gains tax, no tax. We don't need to raise taxes on the middle class. You will not see your taxes increased a single dime. I repeat, not one single dime. Okay now, so Greta Van Susteren decided to put a couple of other clips together which were just play cannot rule things out clip. Well that was the president and over the weekend Treasury Secretary Tim Geithner was far

44:05 less concrete. The president has said the taxes won't go up for any Americans earning under $250,000 but it doesn't appear he's gonna be able to keep that promise if you're gonna bring the deficits down. Again we can't make these judgements yet about exactly what it's gonna take and how we're gonna get there but the very important thing and no one is gonna care about this more than President of the United States. It's for people to understand that we do not have a choice as a country. White House economic advisor Larry Summers was asked about Secretary Geithner's comment. Does Summers think a new round of taxes is coming for middle class Americans? There's a lot that can happen over time. The priority right now, actually it's never a good idea to absolutely rule things, rule things out no matter what.

44:54 You know, Geithner is on a real tear. An article in the Wall Street Journal, which of course we'll also put in the show notes, he apparently is turning into a Rahm Emanuel. with his language. Treasury Secretary Timothy Geithner blasted top US financial regulators in an expletive-laced critique last Friday as frustration grows over the Obama administration's faltering plan to overhaul US financial regulation. Geithner told the regulators Friday, enough is enough, said one person familiar with the meeting. Mr. Geithner said regulators had been given a chance to air their concerns but it was time to stop

45:35 Among those gathered in the Treasury conference room were Federal Reserve Chairman Ben Bernanke, of course, SEC Chairman Mary Shapiro, and FDIC Chairman Sheila Bair. It's a fine trio, that is. Further, according to the Wall Street Journal, Friday's roughly hour-long meeting was described as unusual not only because of Geithner's repeated use of obscenities, but because of the aggressive posture he took with officials from federal agencies generally considered independent of the White House.

46:11 Mr. Geithner reminded attendees that the administration and Congress set policy, not the regulatory agencies. This guy is flipping out now. Of course, he's also a former Goldman guy. Just might want to... Yeah, they cuss a lot at that company. Of course they do. Dude, the Goldman guys, they're evil. They're cussing a lot, I think. So, by the way, I want to pick up a couple of callbacks here. Next time we talk about that software $18 million deal, we got to not forget to mention there's no software warranty with it. Wait a minute. We're spending $18 million and there's no warranty? There's no, no. There's just, no. Why would there be a warranty? They probably cost another $18 million to make it so it's warranted. Unbelievable. Unbelievable. Just the way it is.

47:11 So yeah, no, Geithner's gonna probably, maybe he's trying to get fired. I mean, I can't imagine his job being much fun. Well, there's a lot of movement going on. The acting cyber security czar announced her resignation. This was Melissa Hathaway. and she was she how did these people they did it so they only been officer six months well quitting already I'll be fair she was actually brought in by Bush and she was supposed to stay on for I believe two or three months and do a cyber security review and then she was asked to stay an additional 60 days. Now she has completed the review, which by the way, wouldn't mind under the auspices of transparency, wouldn't mind seeing a report, wouldn't mind knowing what the review said.

47:57 and she's now stepping down. She's saying, I think someone else should take over this because what's happening is there's a big fight going on. You've got Larry Summers, who we just heard from, who is the National Economic Advisor and resident sleeping guy. He's fighting saying that the cyber czar should report to the economic part of the administration and of course then you have the National Security Council saying that it should report to them so they can't decide under whose post this, you know, this cyber czar should fall and who the person should report to. And so now we've got frontrunners for the cyber security czar. Why do we use a former Russian word for a post in our government?

48:51 It's not a former Russian word, it's a Russian word. It's a current Russian word. In recent weeks, new frontrunners, according to Wall Street Journal, include a former Clinton assistant defense secretary, Franklin Cramer, and here's my favorite, Howard Schmidt, a former top security officer at eBay. Neither one have commented. uh... so by the way they had to do that maybe one of our producers contract is now but i'm on the of the understanding that before the in the early days of the roosevelt administration he did a similar thing a lot of this by the way is derivative that the stuff that obama's doing arose about had set up all these characters and but he called them dictators so even better when we i think i have any drop the term after the after his mussolini or hitler somebody gave the term a bad name

50:37 It's just it's this is according to the New York Post so you know take it don't do well But you wanted to transition there. Sure So New York Post is owned by Murdoch. This is a good It's hurting the segue is hurting but go with it it's owned by Murdoch so remember last week we talked about how the New York Times had reported that That over men and O'Reilly were told by their perspective to shut up Well Obermann came out immediately there did like the next day that he can first time he gets on the air Obermann You know the guy with a big head Have you seen him in HD now that I have a plasma it's frightening Little kids in the room dudes got a big head. Oh

51:26 It's monstrous isn't it's usually by the way according to Merv Griffin is guaranteed success on television Yeah, that's your theory too. And of course Vanna white Pat Sajak all big heads. Yeah, so anyway, and people with small heads do look funny on TV and So, uh, so Oberman says there's a bunch of bull and so he came out and did his worst person and he just said it was Murdoch. And now, so I, I, I clipped a few things, some of the boring parts out of this, but you might want to play the clip Fox worst person. Now, before you play it, I, I,

52:03 I believe that this is going to, if, because if Murdoch sees this thing, if there was actually some sort of a gentleman's agreement between Murdoch and Imelt, who's the head of NBC, or head of General Electric, I think this will irk him to no end. And that would mean that, that, uh, and the thing about Oberman is he's got good ratings and he's on a roll and he thinks he owns the place. So just to recap, there was a deal struck between NBC and Fox that they wouldn't be talking shit about each other's chairmen after O'Reilly went after the chairman of NBC or actually the president of GE I believe. Yeah, the CEO of GE. And so now we've got the NBC side of the feud now bitching at Murdoch who of course runs Fox. Let's listen to this.

52:48 to you tonight by Fix News, celebrating six days without having fired Glenn Beck, even after he called the President of the United States a racist, and even after they basically claimed he didn't really work for them. The Bronx, Brian Stelter of the New York Times, front page story, front page story Saturday about a, quote, deal in which, as the headline read, voices from above silence a cable TV feud. Mr. Stelter asked me at least twice last week if there was such a deal and I told him on and off the record there was not and I told him I rather obviously would have to be a party to such a deal and I told him that not only wasn't I but I had not even been asked to be by my bosses and he printed it anyway

53:24 it anyway. But our winner, Rupert Murdoch. How would you like to be Roger Ailes right now, or Bill O'Reilly, or anybody else who thinks they decide what goes on, even for a minute on Fox News Channel? Rupert Murdoch, according to the New York Times piece, has muzzled Bill O., kept him from speaking his mind because, as the Times put it, what Bill O. said, quote, could create real consequences for Fox's parent corporation. How dare you muzzle O'Reilly, Mr. Murdoch? Oh dear you sir. You know this is this has to be considered. And now back to real news. Absolutely. That's all that our news stations are doing. They're just bitching at each other. No one actually talks about any news. No I mean when's the last time these I mean Oberman is is the biggest I think he's kind of buffoonish the way he does it.

54:18 uh... it'd be a minute to get some good material i mean uh... the dutch to show that she has some content i think is worth watching especially if you're a right winger that was a list of the left wing people that actually do some research is rachel maddow who is is somewhat of a lesbian Well, she's an outed, not outed, she's an out lesbian. She's a lesbian. But she also has a certain smugness to her that's somewhat annoying. But she has, I think, the best staff. Because they dig up a lot of really good dirt. I just watch her because she's lesbian. Well, some people would go for that. I just sit there and kind of imagine it, you know? So now, I do have a Maddow clip because there's something that's... Wait, wait, wait. Is it a Maddow clip from Rachel? Is it a good clip and it's not real news?

55:04 It's an interesting clip from the perspective that it gives you insight into what's wrong with her show. Oh, okay. Well, listen... She has all these good researchers, she digs up a lot of interesting stuff, she finds a lot of these, you know, astro-turf, phony grassroots campaigns that the Republicans try to do... I can't believe you're actually saying she has a good show. It's not a good show. No, I'm saying she has the best staff and she digs up a lot of good information I'm not seeing any place else. Whereas a show, it's dull. Yeah, but the information she has I see everywhere. I disagree, but now you're going to make me watch the show more.

55:44 Yeah, well you're pulling clips like you're gonna waste a minute of my life with listening to her. If I can't see her it's not worth it. Well you're not letting me set this up correctly. You apparently hate the woman. I don't! I don't hate the woman. You hate her! No, there's all kinds of other real news to discuss John and now I gotta talk about Okay, we're gonna put the clip off. I'm putting the clip off. No, I'm playing it now. Now I'm playing it. No, but you can't play it until I set it up and if I don't set it up, it won't make any sense. Is it any good? Let me back up. I'm... It's an example of why this show sucks. So why would it be good? The group's paying to run this ad that features you. No, no, no, don't run it. You can't run it without me telling you what it's about.

56:33 You will obey me! Yes, yes, Dr. Dvorak. I'm listening. Okay. She gets these, here's the problem with her show, and probably why nobody can watch it for too long. I don't know who books her guests, but they bring in these dummies that are just unbelievable. They brought in, and then when they bring somebody who's a newsmaker, they brought in Mark Sanford's press, apparently his press guy quit. He's the South Carolina governor that had the affair with a woman in Argentina. he quits and so she brings a month in the she's gonna get some dirt and all she gets is about fifteen minutes of propaganda about how great the sand for tickets now i was on the frustrated now i know in this case cheek she's running this ad about the in nebraska they're running this ad after they're going after the uh... is another health care ad and they're right they're going after the governor and or or the senator there is a senator

57:33 who's apparently got a bunch of money in from the health care industry, got like a couple million dollars or a million dollars or something like that. By the way, all these guys are going after all these guys that are collecting money and they always mention that in passing that they're going to be corrupted by this money and then they say, well, and don't forget Obama got 18 million, more than anybody combined, but he's okay because, you know, Obama can't be corrupted. Now, in fact, Rachel Maddow would be the one who says Obama can't be corrupted. She's an Obamatron. Oh yeah, and so is Olbermann. Olbermann is actually the one who had a whole list of these people and then he mentions in passing that Obama got 18 million, but it's okay when he gets it. So Maddow brings up this idiot who is doing this ad in Nebraska

58:24 I think she's going to get some insight from him because he runs a coffee shop and he can't afford health insurance and so here he goes, you got to play this as Maddow's guest and this is why the show sucks because she keeps bringing these idiots up. The groups paying to run this ad that features you then announced that they would triple the amount of money that they're spending to run the ad. They're both sort of raising the stakes on one another. What do you make of the way that this is being fought out? Do you feel like it's constructive enough or how do you feel about it? I'll tell you exactly how I feel about it. I think my position represents the Democratic wing of the Democratic Party. Barack Obama was elected in this country and under his platform was to get health care done. And I think we need to get it done.

59:19 Michael Snyder is the owner of the Sizzlin' Skillet restaurant in Ralston, Nebraska. I don't know if I'm ever going to get to Ralston, Nebraska, but if I do, I'm going to leave a really large tip when I eat at your restaurant. Mr. Snyder, thanks very much for being on the show. I really appreciate it. Good luck to you, sir. Right as I predicted a full minute of my life. I'll never get back. I really appreciate It was worse if you saw the guy that's just fantastic. I I really appreciate I thought I'd been lighten you a little bit you mentioned 18 million. There's reports I Love these reports. I just got to go off on a tangent here for a moment

59:56 uh... there was an eighteen billion dollar transfer out of iran in two thousand eight part cash in uh... dollars part in gold twenty metric tons and reports that i have links for in the show notes i will tell you that this eighteen billion was actually transferred to uh... brocco bombers personal bank account and uh... Okay, where'd you get this one? Well, there's a couple of things going on. First of all, Iran, the central bank of Iran is now openly talking about this transfer and trying to figure out who, well the money went to Turkey. Okay, so that we know. Now there's been a lot going on with Turkey recently, John. We've been seeing everyone showing up in Turkey. Right? Everyone's going and visiting Turkey, including Barack Obama.

1:00:57 Hillary Clinton, you know, very unclear what they're all doing there. But now the Central Bank of Iran is questioning the transfer of a container, a container filled with this gold and cash, and it was apparently transported by, let me see, of course an arms dealer I'm sure. Esmel Safarian Nasab, who moved it to Turkey in 2008. And this apparently was the actual war coffer for Obama. Now a couple of other things that tie into this, let me see what I can find, the links are a little bit all over the place. But if you

1:01:44 This article, where I'm getting this from, translates to the end of times of three warring factions. The Muslims, the Jews and the Christians. And it looks like there was some kind of coup attempt that was being set up in the United Arab Emirates For three months already Prince Bandar who was Bush's buddy. He's gone missing. No one can find him anymore You've got Obama who is according to this According to this article is taking this money from Iran Where is this article? I'll send it to you. Send it to me now. No because you're just gonna ridicule it. Oh

1:02:37 So it's on prison planet. No, it's not on prison planet. It's not. But what I like about it is, you know, so we've got Madoff sending money to Israel. We've got Obama somehow and it's just implications, you know, working with Iranian money or working with Iran. And then we have my favorite, of course, and this is something that is in the news here, is Eric Prince of Blackwater now with Xi. who is being accused of murdering people who are going to blow the whistle on him that he is actually sending over his hundreds of thousands of private troops who are people who purposely go over to kill Muslims. That was an interesting story, but let's get back to that in a second. I got a copy of the Pakistan News Agency's version of this which is

1:03:28 but i think comes out of russia russia's about a ways and when the story story i love what i love the russians and we're actually use their words yeah i don't know they're they're starting to play games here russia shocked over eighteen billion dollar iran payment to obama after failed u s back saudi cool who this is was a day united arab emirates is a saudi arabia without him sorry you're right some fishy about this story well meanwhile obama and uh... medvedev jess I had a little call the other day. So everyone's talking to each other. Everyone's talking. Yeah, okay. Well, let's see how it shakes out. Now, let me just throw one little thing in here.

1:04:13 I've always been highly suspicious of all the money that Obama collected during his run for the president because it was all, you know, like they bragged forever about it. It's all individual $5 donations. Bullshit. So they didn't have to report hardly anything because everything was coming in nickel and dime. No, in gold, dude. It didn't come in nickel and dime. It came in bullion. They had to launder the contribution somehow. So, in other words, you take 18 billion and then you find some way to divvy it up, set up some server someplace that can start to accept this kind of PayPal thing. And you start pumping the money in five bucks at a time and as individual contributions and then you don't have to do any reporting on it. So, you can take the gold bar because you can't give somebody even $20,000 without having to sign up.

1:05:08 So here's some more connections. Okay, so the... I'm saying it's within the realm of possibilities. It's within the realm of possibilities, but this guy, the Esmail Sarafarian Nassab, he was the guy in the middle of the arms for hostages deal, the Iranian hostages, that was back when George Bush Sr. went to free the hostages with, I believe my uncle by the way, which of course was great for Reagan with his election, the whole October surprise deal. Yeah, no this was in 1979 when it was Carter who was the president and Bush was apparently sent as one of the CIA guys or something. Right, but it's the same guy, it's the same players, it's like this, there's something going on.

1:06:00 Okay, so you're getting this from some Russian news site. Yes. Yeah, that's what I figured. Well, at least it wasn't prison planet. I'll give you that much. Thanks, baby. All right, but you know the Russians are the experts in disinformation. They're putting this out there for some reason. No, American citizens are the experts at disinformation. That's why we have that woman who tells us... That woman. That woman. If your neighbors are spreading bad news about the government, tell us. Don't worry, you'll remain anonymous. Nothing will happen. You'll be safe.

1:06:38 It always reminds me of a policy somebody explained to me once, the Disney Corporation apparently used one of their facilities where they had a lot of people working there. And they would not really encourage people to kind of tattle as it were on their fellow employees. And so if you went into the boss and said, you know, Jeff over here, he hasn't come into work. I mean, the guy's goofing off. He's on the phone all day talking to his friends. He's not doing any, he just sucks. He stinks. They fired that guy. Hey, thanks for telling us your box on the way out according to Bloomberg which still does pretty good reporting I'd have to say and I think probably because they don't have editors or there's this it's such an online system that stuff gets posted very very easily with a lot of not a lot of editorial going on

1:07:30 from yesterday present Barack Obama top US military commanders are being pressed by senators and civilian advisors to more than double the size of Afghan security forces and this is coming from national security adviser Jim Jones and the new US commander in Afghanistan to boost the Afghan National Army and police force from current levels of a hundred and seventy five thousand to at least four hundred thousand Lieberman's on board. This is our Vietnam and Obama's are Lyndon Johnson. Oh yeah, this goes beyond Vietnam. It's just, Senators Joseph Lieberman, chairman of the Homeland Security Committee, and Carl Levin, chairman of the Armed Services Committee, wrote to the White House in a July 21st letter obtained by Bloomberg News.

1:08:24 And meanwhile in Gitmo Nation East, and God bless them, the Brits are finally starting to get pissed off and taking to the streets. Now they buried another eight of their boys. These are boys, by the way, who are my daughter's age. She knows some of these kids who are being sent over to Afghanistan for the second or third time. And the Brits are going, uh, excuse me, mate, excuse me, what were we there for? They're finally waking up. You know, they're like, hold on, why are we in Afghanistan again? What exactly are we doing over there? So I blessed them. To get Bin Laden. Yeah, bless those guys. Oh man, there was a whole bunch of Bin Laden news. I'm sure you may have even blogged about it. Some whistleblower saying that Bin Laden worked for the CIA right up until 9-11. Did you see that? No, that's a stretch. I'm not buying that. Okay.

1:09:17 Although it might be a way to, you know, the idea if you can make it sound as though Bin Laden was working for the CIA all along, they might, you know, get him killed by one of his compadres. Of course, we know that he was working with the United States. We've got, you know, all kinds of... Well, yeah, but that was years earlier. That was during the war with Russia. Yeah, what was that? I'm sorry. Jan's war with Russia. Years earlier? It was the 80s, John. Not all that long ago. What? Most people that listen to stuff on the TV aren't even born by it. Nobody remembers that war. Which is the only reason why we're concerned about it, I guess. Of course, you remember the Second World War. I was a century in the Revolutionary War. And now, back to Real News.

1:11:05 There's also brand new crop circles showing up again near Wiltshire. It's like every week there's a new crop circle in the UK. Every single week. Everybody knows those things are fake. John, you cannot make these. These are not fake. They're all... you cannot... it's impossible. John, I will give you... okay, because they're made with... all of a sudden they show up in one day. John C. Dvorak, here's my pledge to you. I will give you my entire bar of gold Free completely yours to keep if in one night you can replicate this without anyone seeing you

1:11:44 Well, you could probably do a lot of stuff without anyone seeing out in the middle of nowhere It's not all that far in the middle. It's Wiltshire. It's this United Kingdom. It's not like, you know the backwaters of Down south it's it's Wiltshire and if you can create this crop circle and you know Even if you can do it in broad send me a link to the crop circle now I want to see what it looks like. Okay, hold on. In fact, you can do it in broad daylight. Let me get it for you here. Oh So let me get this straight, so aliens have a flying saucer and they come down and they say let's make some stupid design down here just to confuse the locals. That, I wouldn't say that's necessarily true. I think it's uh...

1:12:26 It's that maybe it's not done by aliens. Maybe it's Mother Earth doing it somehow. Oh, don't don't don't ridicule me. Chinese girls back on. Yeah, if you can make this you can do it in broad daylight. Yeah, give you I give you 20 hours to do no, I give you 15 hours to do it. because that would be the the time of darkness. Wow that's a beauty! Yes it is you do that one in 15 hours I give you all my gold. So what documentation do we have that that's not either a photoshopped picture that we're looking at which is what I'm thinking. Have you seen all the pictures scroll down John these are aerial photographs. This is a different one

1:13:10 No, it's the same one. I'm talking to look at the there's okay. There's one and oh, I see. Okay. Oh One bar of gold. It's not that big. It's okay. You make this with all the detail, look at all the swirls. The guy's obviously into embroidery or something. He could have taken a year to do this for all you know. No, John. There are people who... I want to see a picture of this same field taken the day before. Look, why are you arguing the point instead of taking my challenge? Within 15 hours from start to finish... I can't do it. I don't, I can barely draw a circle with a line through it. Anyone, anyone listening to this show, if you circle through the line through it, stick, stick man theater, if you could make a stick man, John, just a stick man in a wheat field somewhere, anyone who can create this within 15 hours, you can do it in broad daylight, go ahead, make this, make this

1:14:05 And and I'll give you my tractor because there's a lot of tractor things going on. It's fine You can use tractors you can use whatever you want make it John you couldn't even if you you couldn't even trace this with tracing paper from the screen picture This guy this is performance art. It's like street artists like graffiti. Yeah, it's alien graffiti. Oh, why would an alien bother? Well, why do people bother doing graffiti? Okay, some alien decided to deface this guy's empty farmland. I'd like to know what the dark brown parts are. There's no crop down here. It's not really a crop circle unless it's wheat. John, I think you should just give up while you're still ahead. You still haven't taken on my challenge.

1:15:01 Alright, let's do it. I'm doing it. I am taking on the challenge Yes, I'd like to hear from any engineers out there that can help me with this and we can start to divvy up the money Yep, that's right one bar of gold and I'll give you a hacksaw with it so you can divvy it up with your minions Yeah, we'll cash it in and take the money from the Federal Reserve folks Greece announced on Friday it would vaccinate its whole population against swine flu and they are very proud to be the first country to introduce such a broad measure amid the current pandemic. The government intends to quote vaccinate all citizens and residents of the country without exception. Congratulations Greece! Our country will be among the first to obtain the vaccines but they will not be used before the official international and European authorization.

1:15:50 It's a race John, it's a race which country gets to shoot up their citizens first. Why don't you just shoot their citizens? It's a race. This thing is great in Gitmo Nation East in the UK you've got people calling the swine flu hotline which is a bunch of the same people who take your order for NutriSystem. And they're now diagnosing you based upon a script. So you've got people with like measles who are being misdiagnosed, kidney failure being misdiagnosed. It's the stupidest thing in the world. Stupidest, stupidest thing in the world. If you got the flu, go see your doctor. They don't want you coming in.

1:16:39 You've got the swine flu man don't come in Well, that's where you get it You are assigned a swine flu buddy and a and a registration number so that your swine flu buddy can then go get your Tamiflu Which is making kids sick everywhere. No, this is what I wanted to talk about last week. This propaganda started appearing out of the blue. I'm not sure why. But I'm starting to see these stories left and right about all these kids are all getting sick. You start looking into it and you just the documentation is pretty scarce. I mean, for one thing, you have to remember how many doses of Tamiflu you think have been delivered over the years? I don't know. 50 million.

1:17:21 So now one or two kids have gotten sick supposedly. Now the other thing is most of the people who get ill from Tamiflu tend to be in Japan and the Japanese have their own manufacturers. It's one of the few countries that doesn't go through Roche or whoever makes Tamiflu. I think it's Roche. They got a special licensing deal because they didn't like, I don't know why they did this, but they decided to make it themselves domestically. And this is where most of these reports are coming from. The report that I'm looking at, and this is a Belgian translation, was 103 kids participated in a test. 95 received, what is it, oseltamivir, which is Tamiflu.

1:18:10 85 of the 103 actually used it so they had some, what do you call that, a blind test or whatever. More than half, 53% had adverse side effects such as nausea, cramping. Oh, I'm sick, I'm nauseous. 12% had sleep deprivation, nightmares and 20% I think is pretty high developed psychiatric problems. Yeah. Okay, have you taken your Tamiflu yet? I love this story in the Dutch press though, a famous singer, he was on vacation and someone who was near him came down with what they call the Mexican flu, of course it's not swine flu in most other countries.

1:19:04 And he goes on television saying, you know, I'm really lucky. I think it was a magazine. I thought it was a television or a magazine. He said, I'm really lucky because I have my Tamiflu vaccine with me and I take it every day. I'm like, huh? The guy's taking Tamiflu every single day and he calls it a vaccine? This is got his terminology wrong. It's kind of a replication because you see the same thing with celebrities all over the world now we're saying oh, you know I'm protected and I'm ready and I can't wait for my shot and Yeah, so it's all part of a huge propaganda scheme. It's pretty interesting I mean instead of Rachel Maddow looking for these crazy things Republicans are doing. Thank you She should be going after this stuff then nobody does by the way, but it's not just her

1:19:52 I mean Chris Matthews, Boltzmann... People listening to the show, don't watch, turn off your television. Just don't watch anymore. It's useless. Unless you're watching C-SPAN, which by the way, YouTube has removed every single of the 6400 C-SPAN clips put up there by C-SPAN Junkie. Because of course it's violating the trademark of C-SPAN. Don't we own C-SPAN? Who asked for a takedown? Because if you look at the terms of use that C-SPAN publishes on their website, everything that they do, all these videos that they make are public domain and you could put them on YouTube if you want to. The C-SPAN junkie user channel, a nonpartisan archive of short clips taken from C-SPAN broadcasts of events in the Congress and Senate, has been the home of the vast majority of YouTube videos

1:20:40 of Ben Bernanke, Geithner, Paulson and others being confronted in Congress as well as Ron Paul's speeches on the House floor. A total of more than 6400 videos in all have been pulled, hundreds of which featured the Texas congressman. Whether or not C-SPAN itself requested that you two pull the channel is unknown but it is clear clearly in the public interest and constitutes fair use to show blah blah blah blah blah. It's in there, go to c-span.com and take a look at what they allow and don't allow and they themselves except for certain, in fact I don't even know if there's any exceptions to this, they have made this stuff public. It's public. You can, that's, you know, you can, you want to take a clip of the whole thing and put it on your blog, you should be able to do it from the way I'm reading it, in terms of use, in terms of service, the user stuff. Go to, John, go to cspanjunkie.org

1:21:29 You'll see well, you'll see this story, but if you scroll down a bit, you'll see hi everybody at the insistence of C-SPAN This website is being shut down I will no longer be making any future post on this the new website earth to Obama org is where all the daily posts are now being made C-SPAN is out there busting this guy telling him he can't use C-SPAN junkie can't use their C-SPAN trademark. Oh Well maybe that's the reason because he's using the C-SPAN trademark as though he's part of C-SPAN. C-SPANJunkie.org? I mean come on. Besides, what difference does it make? I'm not going to argue the point. I'm just saying. I love the sign he's got up at the top, under new management. And he's got the White House there. Well you know it's a known fact that C-SPAN's, the guys who run C-SPAN are fairly liberal.

1:22:23 Well, I agree with you. I thought that was like the whole point of C-SPAN is that that's like public domain stuff. You can do whatever you want. Well, here I'm going to read from the C-SPAN website. C-SPAN's copyright policy. C-SPAN holds exclusive copyright in the video of all public affairs programming it produces. Although C-SPAN is the only news media and organization that regularly televises the legislative proceedings of the U.S. House and Senate, it does not hold a copyright in that video coverage. The government produced video is in the public domain which means that it belongs to the American people and may be used without restrictions of any kind. So how does that fit in with this guy's complaining? I don't know. I don't know.

1:23:06 Alright John, you want to do it? Dan, listen to this. C-SPAN permits non-commercial use of its video coverage of federal government sponsored events, which is the stuff that they produce. In other words, they also let you do this so long as C-SPAN is identified during the use of the, as the source of the video. Wouldn't it being on a website called cspanjunkie.org suffice? Well, you'd think. Keeping a C-SPAN logo on the screen during the use is sufficient to identify C-SPAN as the source which is going to show up anyway, so that would be fine. So something's wrong with this story. Well, anyway, YouTube's taken all these videos down. They just turned off the channel. Well, YouTube's, you know, well, you know, YouTube has probably got somebody there who doesn't like, you know, this guy probably has a kind of a... How about Eric Schmidt? Would that be somebody?

1:23:55 Eric Schmidt, you mean who's on Obama's, one of Obama's... Economic Board, yeah, that guy. Advisors. Yeah, that guy. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, you're making Obama look like an idiot, you know, is probably not something that Eric Schmidt likes and so he just tells the YouTube guys to pull it. I don't know that that's happened, but I'm sure somebody made a decision because I can read this again. It does not hold a copyright in that video coverage. You can use this any way you want to. I've picked up a few C-Span things and posted them on YouTube myself so I could use them on the blog. And I read this in advance. I always check to see how these guys want to deal with copyright, not if I'm going to get in trouble.

1:24:35 And I read this and it makes sense to me that you can put anything you want except the stuff they produce which is what? You know book your book talk and some of the things for somebody's chatting about something, right? Well, maybe we should call the new our new buddy who's Gonna be the you know, our lobbyist buddy who's gonna be the new? The new czar. Oh, that this is what it's his name again. Oh I'm sure our buddy, we can't even remember his name. Don't tell him. I can't remember his name. Our new buddy. Hey, the census questionnaire is underway in Texas. I just wanted to read this one to you, John, speaking as you are such a civil liberties maven. Some North Texans are wondering if these questions are not a little bit too probing.

1:25:30 So the census is done once every 10 years. It's time once again. We know that the census in fact someone quit I forget who it was they Was that guy that they're gonna bring in and he quit because he didn't like the fact the census was being moved into under control Inside the White House Yeah, I remembered but I don't remember his name either. Okay, so here are get a clue here Let me see some of the questions here The questions once answered about where you work, how much money you make, what time you leave for work each day, down to the hour and the minute. Is that normal for a census? I'm questioning this story's fundamental basis of fact. Oh really? Yeah. I think I have the census here actually. Hold on. I think I have a PDF of it. Questions planned for the 2010 census.

1:26:27 American Community Survey. Well that's new. Wow! Okay, I have the actual file here John, this is interesting. Should we do some of these questions and you answer them truthfully? Well if you send me a copy right now real quick and so I can look at it. Okay, don't get all huffy. Now this isn't on FARC or Onion. No, it's cbs11tv.com. I'll take that's a local station. Here's the somewhere. Yeah somewhere where there's a CBS on Channel 11 Okay, here's there's the PDF for you 2010 census, okay Let's see some of these questions boy. This thing is big. You know, it's funny There's some kind of sound that sounds like a gunshot that's just coming from your end once in a while like every five minutes I've had to duck twice. I don't know what it is. I

1:27:21 How is this person related to you? I'm telling you it keeps this gunshots going off Every time a window is up in Firefox. I think that's what's causing that sound really yeah, cuz I just opened one You just said there was another you know there's something really weird with Firefox recently all of a sudden Friends we get this with with Dropbox there goes again stop that I didn't do it that time damn Dropbox calm Now it's happening every three seconds. There must be something else going on. Yeah, no that can't be Firefox Anyway from time to time you go to a website and then I'm hearing it you hear these shots We're like getting shot at man. Let me close something here. I don't know what's going on Are you shooting at me? Oh it is her it is her turn down your Mickey. I don't know what she's doing up there. Oh

1:28:17 from time to time you get this page that says this is an attack site and we've determined that it uses and it lists a couple of things that are illegal and so somehow and it's tied into Google so when you're surfing around I guess if you're logged into Google or something then Firefox also throws up this page that says this site you're trying to go to is an attack site do you want to ignore this warning do you want to continue have you seen this thing? Yeah I've seen it a couple times. But this is new I haven't seen this. This is something brand new. It may have something to do with your virus protection too, I'm not sure. No, no, no. I have a Mac and I have no virus protection turned on. It's something that's in Firefox. It's in Firefox. You shouldn't be using Firefox on a Mac. It stinks on a Mac. Let me see. You should use Safari. Here you go. Tell me this is... What, you got a real typewriter there? No, I'm taking off my headphones to listen. No, it's something else. It's not in the house. This is weird. I'm going to close...

1:29:16 It's probably some fucking rollover on some stupid-ass site in the background that fired, like Punch the Monkey or something. Here it is under... Punch the Monkey? What are you living in the 90s? Under security on the new Firefox, here it is. Tell me if the site I'm visiting is a suspected attack site or tell me if the site I'm visiting is a suspected forgery. This is new defaults in the new Firefox. that you just get magically. And it's a real bitch because we're sending clients to Dropbox and other places and even some of our stuff has JavaScript that all of a sudden Firefox decides is dangerous and it throws up this page. But it's getting its data from Google. I don't like it.

1:30:02 It's by default and so by default it's sending your shit to Google. That's what's happening. Oh, yeah. Well Google's got everything. Yeah, they got big. Oh, which is why they shut down the YouTube C-Span stuff I suppose. Have you looked at this thing yet? I'm looking at it now and it's like I don't know. Well, you gotta scroll down a little bit. I'm down in page. Oh, I'm on page 39 already. Okay, do you see any of these questions about when you leave for here it is last week was this person on layoff from a job Yes, skip to question 34 C. So they're gonna set they come, you know, I have never had you know I've never had I had a census person come by the house once and it was actually recently and she just Came up and she said oh, I'm with the Census Bureau. I have a question and

1:30:53 And I said, what? And she says, is this only one family lives in this house? That's about the only question they should ask, right? And I said, yeah. And she says, okay. I said, that's it. Yeah, yeah. Bye. Boom. That was the end of it. So here's last week, were you looking for a job? Was this person laid off for a job? Were you temporarily absent from a job? Have you been looking for a job in the past four weeks? So that's unemployment figures. I don't know if that's appropriate. Industry occupation, are you an employee of a private for-profit company, local government, self-employed? I guess that's kind of appropriate. What location did you work last week? Give me the address and exact location. What time did you usually get to work last week? How did you get to work? How many people rode to work in the car, truck or van? Well, we're Mexicans, of course, 30 people.

1:31:45 Is that the answer they want? Work status last year, how many hours did you work? I think that goes a bit beyond census, John. Well, they want more data for the purposes of the Commerce Department so they can develop all kinds of models of how to spend money and how to gerrymander the area so they can stay in office longer. There's a million reasons for this. I don't think it's anything to do with anybody personally. Okay, John, answer this question. Does your house, apartment, or mobile home have A, hot and cold running water, B, a flush toilet, C, a bathtub or shower? I'm on the same exact page. Sink or faucet, stove or range, refrigerator. This is, I guess, to tell how many people are hicks. Which fuel is used most? Do you have a flush toilet? Yes, no. How many acres is your mobile home on?

1:32:41 So what's your point? I think it's more than just, isn't the census just who works here or who lives here? Isn't that supposed to be it? I think it was originally, but as you see at the top of every one of these, like house heating fuels, question number 10 has been asked since 1940. So they show you that these are not new questions. uh... there which fuel use most reading the house if they already know the unemployment figures why they asking you if you're employed or the unemployment figures not correct if they already know all about the health insurance why are they on who i would like to wear the promise of health did the unemployment figures are based on you know that they've been based on the kind of numbers that come in from these agencies that pay unemployment insurance and it doesn't really keep very good tabs on what's called the i think is you six or whatever it is that

1:34:19 Call it jets for junkets Congress is poised to spend nearly 200 million dollars to buy three of the highest performing passenger jets in the world the Gulfstream 550 capable of flying non-stop from Washington to Beijing Well, I love it. It's green. That's a nice plane. It's a damn nice plane Parking bullshit as the last one. Yeah, this is a this is a kind of a long clip But but this is a I just set it up with we've got you know in California were broke right and and there's a couple of towns around here that are really broke like Oakland and San Francisco too and so they've decided to gouge their their own citizens gouge

1:35:05 with all kinds of scam parties and instead of policing, we have a lot of police, there's a lot of murders but nah forget doing anything about that. Let's get more money in, they got 2.5 million dollars in on this one scam in Oakland where, and I want to warn anybody who's in this area If there is a, even if it's not marked, if you even suspect that there is a bus stop and you stop and let somebody out of your car for just a split second, you're subject to a $250 ticket and they're laying in wait. And this starts off with a guy being interviewed that got hit with it and then a little discussion of the problem and then they talk to a cop who says, eh, they don't have to paint the curb.

1:35:50 and then they finish up with the rest of the parking stuff. It's going to be a revolution in Oakland if they keep this up. Play it. just dropping off and there's no passenger zone. Not that knowing it's illegal is necessarily easy. First of all, you don't see anything on the roadway warning you. The curb's not painted a red or any warning color. And one of the no parking signs is missing on this particular block, which means drivers, the only clue they have that they're breaking the law is the fact that there's a bus shelter and one no parking at any time sign down there at the mid block. There's no sign, it's not painted,

1:36:33 There's very little warning. They have signs saying no parking any time in the MARC bus stop. And the MARC bus stop indicated by a vehicle code saying it doesn't have to indicate by a red curb. And this is such high traffic, it's hard to keep the curbs up. Well, the Chevy's deputies tell us that they don't give everyone tickets. So as a matter of fact, they said if they completely enforced it all the time, they'd probably give out twice as much. But I've got to tell you, the station agents here at the West Oakland Barts tell us that sometimes the cops just perch themselves right down there and just line up the tickets one after the other. Dana? I suppose the literal meaning of parking

1:37:13 Does not apply in this case like turning off your car and getting out stopping only all right This is not the only policy that has people upset in Oakland No, there is another ticket protest going on to balance the budget in this cash-strapped city the City Council Not only up the price on me. Hey John. Yeah, really fucking bored with that goes on forever They've also changed the hours now you have to put money in the meter till 8 at night Well, this is all just a part of it. And if we just all bow down to it, then fine. We deserve exactly what we get. Anyway, so that's going on everywhere. I mean, like at the front of the offices at MeVeo, it's a quarter for five minutes. By the time you put enough quarters in, you've already lost five minutes. And if you look up and down the street, it looks like the town is deserted because nobody can park in these things. So they go down as far away as they can and find some parking that's cheaper. It's ridiculous.

1:38:12 Alright John, do we want to talk about some donations? We want to keep that for Sunday. We're way over time. If we don't, we have to do one of two things. We have to either go to three shows a week or do something else drastic. Well maybe cutting off the conversation at the hour point would be a good idea. Well I was ready to cut it off and you came in with your stupid Manno clip which just killed the entire buzz completely. You hate her. No, I don't I hate talking about idiot news channels to do nothing that has anything to do with real news It's ridiculous. Well, I'm just pointing out to people that maybe if they gave us some more money because this week we got very after last Sunday, oh, this is it. We got no money. So you pulled shitty clips. That's it

1:38:57 So the point is that if you want us to go to a bunch of commercials, we actually need some contributions here. Dvorak.org slash NA or noagena.mevo.com and we'll fix the link problem with the night thing on that particular page. Oh really? What's the problem? It doesn't work. But go to Dvorak.org slash NA and that will work. And I think you have something in Curry.com. So please help us out this week because we're we fell behind a lot. So someone here is saying Mevio should host Seaspan Junkie. Yeah, of course we will just upload it if you can get him back if you can get him back from YouTube He probably has him somewhere. Usually when you'd send some of the YouTube you keep a copy. Yeah, I'll send the guy an email I'm happy to do that. Yeah, once you do it's a really good idea. All right on Sunday, should we do a little less? news about news channels

1:39:58 When's the last time I did that? About an hour ago. Before that. It's just a buzzkill. Well, it's only a buzzkill because you made it a buzzkill by moaning. I didn't realize you hated that woman so much. I don't hate the woman! We're making it worse. The news is already bad enough with all these people doing is just yelling at each other and then we're actually highlighting it. Yeah. That's my point. Okay, well I'm not gonna do it again. There you go. Oops, that didn't work. I meant to say- it doesn't- I can't do two at the same time. That sucks. Hold on. That's what I meant. All right, coming to you from the minimum containment security cell. Minimum security containment cell. Shit, it's a jail, okay? And there's a wrecking ball outside. I'm in Gitmo Nation West, San Francisco, California. My name is Adam Curry.

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