1:46:06 I caught a millennial on with... Wait, stop right there. I caught a millennial is just a statement by itself. My only question is was it in the trap? Did you get it in the cage? In the trap. So this millennial is with her granddad. They're both Jewish. And I only have these clips for the one reason is that it showed up on It was a discussion about Israel and Palestine and it's the modern millennial and the old man, the 86 year old granddad and the granddaughter and they argue with each other. But one is the millennial and she's a millennial and it's mostly really this in her clips because I love, she up talks like an outrageous up talker, a know-it-all. Scrumptious.
1:46:56 I didn't get to see her, it's on World, it was a radio show. And she's going on and on and he... But I want to play these clips, there's four of them, they're very short, except for the first one. And play the first one and that is to give you an idea what this is about. In Israel, Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu has emerged as the winner in yesterday's general election. His main challenger, Benny Gantz of the Blue and White Party, conceded defeat today. Netanyahu is now on course to become Israel's longest-serving Prime Minister ever, and he's expected to form a solidly right-wing governing coalition in Israel's parliament.
1:47:34 That trend toward the right is one of the reasons that the American Jewish community's relationship with Israel's government is increasingly fraught. Some see the divide as generational. That includes 24-year-old Elissa Rubin, a community organizer living in Boston. Rubin is a member of If Not Now, a Jewish anti-occupation movement that is a source of anguish for her grandfather, 86-year-old Jason Pearl, a lawyer in Bloomfield, Connecticut. I have spent a great deal of time with Elissa as she was growing up and it comes as quite a shock to me that she could have an attitude toward Israel different from grandpa's. For many years, grandfather and granddaughter have been debating US policy toward Israel. Today, they're letting us listen in. When I was about 8 to 10, I was at a men's breakfast in my synagogue and someone who had in fact escaped from Europe
1:48:30 was telling the men assembled there on a Sunday morning, telling them about the annihilation of European Jewry and they castigated this man, they yelled at him, liar, it's not true, the Germans would never do this. I mean, they were vituperative toward this man. That it was impossible that the Germans were bent on annihilating European Jewry. I grew up knowing there was this great need for a land that would accept Jews. Elissa doesn't have that experience. She knows that she's intellectually brilliant, and she knows these things happen, but she didn't live through them, and there's a big difference. Ah, so this is modern Jew theory, then. Now, the key word here was
1:49:23 Elissa is intellectually brilliant. Yes. This is the granddad and the granddaughter, and by his standards, and by the way, you always, you listen to him, he sounds like he needs to kind of cough up some phlegm, which is a style of speaking you run into. Anyway, her intellectual brilliance from the next few clips is, I don't know if there's any left in this clip. No. is on display and here we go. Alyssa, through the 30s and 40s, do you agree with your grandfather that you see the world differently because of that, because of the time you grew up in? Yeah, we've had this conversation a lot of times and it's really helped me to ground in the perspective of somebody that grew up during a really different time. And I think a major shift that's happened over the last few years, particularly since Trump's election and the growth of this
1:50:11 right-wing white nationalist movement is that I've really started seeing anti-Semitism expressed in this country in a more visceral way than I've ever experienced it before. And I think where the difference lies is that I see the U.S. and Trump's relationship with the Israeli government and with Netanyahu as fueling that anti-Semitism and not protecting us from it. Oh, luckily we can blame Trump for it. So it's Trump's fault that the Jews apparently have become anti-semitic The guy has so much magical power. She is an intellectual brilliant person So let's listen to more of her because I just think she's hilarious. It feels like a tension for me to know that I
1:50:57 I don't believe that the way that Israel is currently set up or the way that our whole world order is set up is really living out the values of Judaism. And I acknowledge the really deep historical connection that we have to this place. And having been there has been a really complicated experience for me, and I also did feel this sense of connection. So she's been there once and saw some sense of connection. She also has a lot of vocal fry in the up talking. But I was fascinated by this because I realized that it's the educational system in this country that is getting a Jewish girl to hate Israel and Jews.
1:51:39 So let's listen to the last thing. Your best example of up-talking is coming up. Hold on. How do you take it from it's Trump's fault to it's educational system? Well, I have to assume that because, well, I'm giving the educational system the blame on this because what I'm hearing is the same kind of just memes and thoughts and a way of looking at things that you would get from University of California or Swarthmore or Harvard or Yale or any of these places that have been brainwashing these kids into this stance. I just think that's where it's coming from. She's not getting it from her family. No, that's for sure. Certainly not.
1:52:22 So let's listen to her final answer. To me, if we don't criticize Israel and we don't hold Bibi accountable, we don't hold our people and the American Jews that support Israel unquestioningly, then we ourselves are putting, we're putting ourselves in a dangerous situation where right now the mainstream Jewish community is allying itself with Trump and with anti-Semites and white nationalists all in the name of protecting and supporting Israel. And so I think that we make this implicit assumption that Israel equals Jews and Jew safety equals Israel. And I feel like in this moment, there's actually been a shift where Israel and its current, in the way that Israel is currently operating, is actually making us less safe. And I believe that Jews and all people deserve to be safe.
1:53:15 So she believes that Jews and all people deserve to be safe, and that is her analysis of the whole thing. So, oh man. Yeah, I blame the educational system for this entire structure of what she says, and it's all Trump's fault. And again, she reiterates that Jews flocking to Trump is just promoting anti-Semitism. That's the part that's fantastic. Does she know that Trump's daughter's Jewish and Trump might be himself? And no, no. So it's just as the same anti, it's not even anti-Trump, it's anti-Republicanism which is being taught in schools. It's not, Trump just happens to be there and he's an easy target, but it's not Trump, it's Republicanism. Well, this is clearly a sign of the end of times. This is... Of talking? No, just the thinking she has by itself is very troubling.