Surf n Turf

00:00 Bang, bang, bang, bang, bang, bang. Freezing my butt off and broadcasting live from the home of the Jackson 5, and here in downtown Geary, Indiana, from the Every Room Is A Mini-Street Hotel. In the morning everybody, I'm Adam Curry. And from Northern Silicon Valley where he's freezing his butt off and they've banned the song, I'm John C. Dvorak. It's Crackpot and Buzzkill! In the morning! Wow! Nice play off of that, Dvorak!

00:38 Thank you. It's cold outside. That's right. Is it banned everywhere now, the song? No, it's gonna be. We determined this was a creepy song a long time ago, so it's like, okay. Oh, perfect. We made it. I'm very happy about that. So here I am in pretty much Geary, Indiana, John, bringing you the show live once again. What? You're that far away from downtown? I'm in Geary, Indiana. You are in Geary, Indiana. Yes, Geary. We say it's Gary. We say Geary, Geary, Indiana. I don't care what they say, but that's a long ways away. From where? From Texas? Yeah. Not really. I've been further. It's kind of a crappy area. What are you doing there? Well, we are here for Tina's sister's celebration of life, a memorial which took place last night.

01:35 She lives in Geary? She passed away, John, if you remember. Oh, I'm sorry, yes. But she lived in Geary? Close enough. Yeah. So it's not easy to find, you know, well actually this is one of those hotels, you know, every room is a mini suite. You have a little kitchenette. You know what I'm talking about? You have a little kitchenette. Oh yeah. Yeah. And interestingly, You know, I'm pretty much outfitted for every scenario. Oh, by the way, before you go on, I should mention that that room here, the mini suite, it's got a little kitchen, a little front room, bedroom. Yes, correct. That goes for a million in San Francisco. And then you still have to share it with two people. Yeah, you're absolutely right.

02:21 But I'm ready for almost every single situation in hotel rooms. Although the Wi-Fi is outstanding so far, knock on wood. The only thing that crops up from time to time, I have my mic stand and I have a foot for the mic stand, which is a clamp that you clamp onto the table. But when you have these tables that have just a little edge and doesn't have enough really to clamp, No place to clamp. No place to... Now typically these desks have a drawer, and I can pull the drawer out and then clamp it, but so this one just could fall off at any moment. Just hoping it stays on. Yeah, exactly. So yeah, and was very interesting.

03:10 that at this memorial last night, and it was fun, as per her sister's wishes, Angie wanted pizza, tacos, and Miller Lite served. And a playlist of her songs, and it was really nice. And then someone came up and gave me a hearty in the morning. Oh, that's nice. Yes. And I think he or... Especially since it was Hardy. Yes. I think he or the guy who hit him in the mouth donated for today. So we'll get to that later. It was just, it was one of those like, oh, wow. Who expected that? Now we have a few listeners in the Chicago Metro area. Yeah. Well, this is not exactly Chicago, Chicago Metro.

03:58 Yeah, well, it's a little further. Yeah, but anyways, so it's good. I'm ready to do a show and I'm was kind of glad that you know, may sound horrible. I'm kind of glad that the old Bush passed away because huh, at least I wasn't gonna miss any news because that was it. News was done. It's like every channel we knew it. We're just waiting for this 24 and perfect in the weekend too. You know, this is exactly what you want. You don't want it happening during the week. You know, it was a little, well, it was a little complicated because we have the G20 going on, but okay. So everyone's just rolling out all their George Bush retrospectives. Yeah, and there's very little mention of

04:42 You know, the pardoning he did, you know, to get out of Iran-Contra, all the horrible stuff he was involved in. There's no mention of that. Hagiography after hagiography on all channels. No, they did. They mentioned his involvement in the Kennedy assassination. Well, no, the only thing... I wonder why that is. It's weird. He's of course the only man in America of that age who cannot remember where he was on the day that Kennedy was assassinated. No, he says he doesn't remember because he knows where he was. Yes, he says he can't remember. Correct. Correct. Correct. Correct. So where to start, John? Because there's a lot going on with the G20. We've got... Oh, you know what? I know where I'm going to start because I want to clear up some confusion.

05:27 From our last show which carried over onto the social nets and I just want to make sure we're all on board here. So I played a clip on the last show which I think you appropriately said this sounds like it's the onion. This can't be true. And you were both wrong and both right at the same time. And it was the clip, and I now have the full expanded clip. This is a European Parliament member, actually of the, I think he's of the Geert Wilders PVV party. So he is not gleefully exclaiming this. He's extrapolating and he is making some assumptions to the press about the compact on migration, which is due to be signed on December 10th.

06:13 and everything that goes along with that. And this is also known as the Marrakesh Agreement. I'll replay the clip, the longer version of it, so we get full context, and then we'll just discuss what's really going on here. Ladies and gentlemen of the press, dear guests, it's nice to have you here on our Strasbourg press conference. And I would like to say some words on the Global Compact on Migration. On the 10th and 11th of December, there will be an international congress in Marrakech, Morocco, with regard to this global compact on migration. And the participating countries are set to sign this agreement. And although this joint agreement isn't binding, it's still meant to be the legal framework

07:13 on which the participating countries commit themselves to build new legislation. And one basic element of this new agreement is the extension of the definition of hate speech. The agreement wants to criminalize migration speech. Criticism of migration will become a criminal offense and media outlets, and that also concerns you, that give room to criticism of migration can be shut down. The complex for migration is legalization of mass migration.

07:55 Alright, so that was kind of in context and he's extrapolating what's in this agreement and I have a version of this from a member of the, what is this, the UK, actually a member of the European Parliament from the Movement for Europe of Nations and Freedom, whatever that is, independent UK member of European Parliament. Basically the same thing and it comes from this Non-binding agreement which to us here in America means it's not binding who gives a crap. We won't sign it anyway however in if you heard the guy says this will be used as a Framework for creating local laws and that is definitely something that happens in the European Union. You are making so much Objective 17 from the document

08:53 And this is why it's going to be used as a guideline and why I think Europeans are rightfully, should rightfully be worried about what this will become, not what it is. Objective 17 is eliminate all forms of discrimination and promote evidence-based public discourse to shape perceptions of migration. And in this are all kinds of words like enact, implement, maintain legislation that penalizes hate crimes and aggravated hate crimes targeting migrants. That can be made into a law very similar to the UK laws now about bullying public figures I'm sorry bullying politicians on Twitter, which is now illegal. You can't do that. You can actually get arrested

09:36 So here is the British take on this very same thing from Janice Atkinson, who's from Independent UK Party, I think. Now listen voters in the UK, the EU and across the developed world. This is a call to action. We need you to contact your heads of state to tell them not to sign the UN Global Compact for Migration. UK, get your heads out of the Brexit shambles for a few minutes and listen. On the 10th and 11th of December our heads of state will be signing this deeply damaging document produced by those highly educated, highly salaried and unelected people at the United Nations. They have produced this compact that will silence free speech, media freedom and if you think you're in control of your borders, think again. This compact

10:24 Now I've tried to find this number, this 59 million migrants. It's a meme. It's everywhere. No, someone just made it up. I'm not sure where it came from. Anyway, let's finish this up. Why are they doing this? I hear you ask. Because in the year 2000 these numpties came up with the idea that our populations were declining and therefore needed replacing. But how things have changed. EU unemployment is at a record high. Some

11:12 countries have 50% youth unemployment. In some areas of Greece it's even up to 75%. Most countries that have taken in migrants are finding they are unemployable. On average migrants have a 13% employment rate so are a burden on the state. Even Merkel's immigration spokesman said that up to three quarters of immigrants will still be unemployed in five years and for many others we need up to 10 years. The statistics are long and grim. Voters in the UK, yes you, pay attention. Mrs. May will sneak into Marrakesh to sign this dodgy deal just like Gordon Brown before her did when he sneaked in to sign the Lisbon Treaty. No nice group photo, just her signature that binds all of us to uncontrolled immigration. Alright, so of course that won't bind anyone and you know it's only a guideline.

12:07 But these things do tend to pan out that way. When they sign these compacts, it gives the politicians who are eager to do anything, just anything... It's like those climate accords. Yeah, exactly, like the Paris Agreement, exactly the same. They're all just suggestions and it's bent out of shape when somebody says, I'm not even signing it. Yeah, but it's just suggestions, but witness Paris burning because the suggestions were taken and put into a carbon tax law. So these things do have implications, but as of right now it's not there. But if you look at just the final paragraph of this Objective 17, actually it's interesting, it's paragraph 33, subsection C, promote independent objective and quality reporting of media outlets including internet-based information, including by sensitizing and educating media professionals, that's you and me, John, we need to be sensitized and educated,

13:04 on migration-related issues and terminology, investing in ethical reporting standards and advertising. What? They're going to invest in ethical reporting standards and advertising? Well, first of all, The whole, that whole paragraph begins with the word promote. Of course. As opposed to employ or legislate for. Well, no. It just means that's beyond suggestion. That's like a suggestion that maybe it'll be a suggestion. Sure. I find that to be very Yeah, I understand and the debate that we had was largely about this it was it was it real or not? Builders guy, which I thought was that I thought the guy himself was like I did I saw him too He's like yes, it was official. Yeah, but it was Gert Wilder's guy and What that means he's automatically no good. No it means it's automatically going to be a right wing hysterics exactly exactly now

14:07 So, of course it's being used to fear monger amongst people, but I have to say that there is, you know, you're seeing all these things. Remember we saw in the Lisbon Treaty and the protocols, lots of room for a European army. Here we are, what, 15 years later, the European army is seriously being compiled. I'm not saying this can't happen. Yeah, exactly. But a lot of people aren't gonna sign it. I mean Italy's not gonna sign it the US is not obviously we're not gonna sign it We wouldn't sign that we're not that dumb. There's one there's one extra thing that that we've learned on the show that plays into this and this is the Calergi plan because this does fit in the Kudinhofer Calergi plan which is to make Europe brown again and

14:54 or make Europe brown for the first time. And, you know, Angela Merkel won the Kalergi Award in 2010, 2016. It was Junker the Drunker. I don't think they've given it this year. But this plan, as we read, literally calls for this mass immigration. So it's not like this is without precedence and agreed to precedence by the EU leaders. I'm not going to argue that. I'm not asking you to argue. I don't know what they're thinking. Well, I mean, a lot of this has this really, I think a lot of it stems from Italy. I think it's funny Italy be the one rejecting it. Because Italy is the first, I think the first of the EU countries that went into negative growth in terms of population. Yeah.

15:41 They decided, all the Italians decided they don't want babies anymore. And so they started going and they'd rather party. And so they went into a negative population. So they were gonna be dead, their whole culture would be dead in the next 40 years or 50 years or next century. And so they had to do something about it. These are cycles. Everyone panics at the most minor of consequences, it's weird. But there you have it, but the Italians said no. Maybe they want to die off. So what, the Italians are not signing it now? Is that what you're saying? Yeah, they claim that they're not going to sign it. Yeah, well we'll see. We'll see. Now the whole thing is a fiasco. Yeah. What's the point?

16:29 What's the point? Who's behind it? That's what I'd like to know. I mean, why is it called, if you look at one of the papers, it's called the New York Agreement. Where's, what does New York got to do with it? I didn't hear about, oh, because I think it was, the way they do that is, that means that it was first drafted in New York. And so that's why this is, although this is called the compact on migration, they call it the Marrakesh Agreement because it's going to be signed in Marrakesh. So that's like the Lisbon Treaty. What did Lisbon have to do with it? Nothing! It was just drafted in Lisbon. Yeah, you're probably right. By New York, they meant the United Nations in New York. Yes. So yeah, well, I guess this is all just more part of the New World Order, which is under the... So the attempt, you know, I sound like an old fart when I say this, but it sounds to me like they just want to weaken Western civilization.

17:26 People are fed up with Western civilization. You don't brought you autos and highways and you don't sound like an old art that's Financial crisis that's actually kind of what's going on, you know, it's a weird kind of way Yeah, I think so. There's this the West that Europe is also to blame for everything, you know it is That's what's being sold there. You're horrible, you've made Africa horrible, we need to have free movement. This whole free movement thing or freedom of movement. Let's just switch to Brexit because now we're getting close to whatever deal Theresa May has put together. And I've talked to a lot of people who are in the UK or do business with the UK or in European states and a lot of younger people and they all, the one thing they focus on, you okay?

18:16 You just blanked out completely. Oh, you there? Yeah. So the one thing that everyone seems to be focusing on no matter where they are in the European Union if they're usually if they're anti-Brexit which I think a lot more people are is, we won't have freedom of movement, we won't be able to do anything, can't do business. It wasn't all that hard before, was it? I mean, you could establish yourself in a different European country, you could get a work permit, at least when I lived there, now we're talking 20 years ago, I don't know how much changed, but it wasn't a horrible ordeal.

18:58 And what are the numbers really? How many people really from the UK find it important to remain a British citizen and work in a different country? I mean, it just seems like a little... over the top, but this came up in the latest questions with the Prime Minister. I have a clip. It's a reciprocal agreement. So what we do to European Union nationals, they will do to us. Yeah, this is the main driver. What we do to the Europeans, they're going to do to us. So they're kind of telling Ms May, what she can expect? So that means that people with those skills from the United Kingdom, young people at the beginning of their careers will equally not be allowed the same rights of access to the European Union.

19:45 No, well first of all you've jumped to an assumption there. What I was talking about was the immigration system that will be independently put into place by the United Kingdom Government. But my question is, you don't want to give us what we do today, is that correct? Well you're making an assumption, I have to say I don't think that there's been indications yet as to what the... So you're expecting the young Brits to go abroad as they have just now? We've been looking at a variety of issues in relation to young people particularly. One of the areas that we've looked at is the sort of programmes such as Erasmus which have enabled the students to take advantage of membership of the European Union. But if you look

20:27 at the section within the political declaration you will see that of course we will be looking at the mobility arrangements that are in any trade agreement. Is it not the case Prime Minister that the rights that you and I had to live, work and love across a continent of 28 nations is going to be deprived to our young people because of your obsession with immigration? No. And I refer you to Article 53. The parties agree to consider conditions for entry and stay for purposes such as research, study, training and youth exchanges. So you're not ending freedom of movement then? Yes, we are ending freedom of movement.

21:10 We are ending freedom of movement. What freedom of movement gives automatic rights to people living in the European Union that are not available to people outside the European Union? In future, we will end that automatic right that comes with free movement. What we will put in place is our system of immigration rules which will apply across all countries and it will be skills-based rather than based on the country that somebody comes from. It will be applied from the European Union too. No, it seems like a big argument about nothing. It's just, doesn't it just revert back to kind of what it was? I mean, what's the big problem? Well, I mean, that's obviously what no one wants to bring up. The other thing is there's no loss of freedom of movement. You can still move. Yeah. I don't know why she does, she goes, yeah, we're going to lose freedom of movement. That's what she said. She admitted to it. She's a terrible... She's not doing a great job.

22:03 Oh, certainly. You always have to remember she was against Brexit from the get go. She was an anti-Brexiteer. So her heart's never been in it. I also fail to see how, you know, what the deal is going to be. If you look at what's really happening in Europe, most young people are not interested, I'm generalizing, but don't appear interested in actually moving anywhere for work reasons. They're all counting on the living wage, you know, the basic minimum income that everyone wants so desperately in the European Union. Just give me some money so I can decide if I want to work at all.

22:44 So I seriously question how many actually are interested in this freedom of movement business and I think there's probably three million. EU citizens in the UK and maybe a million UK citizens in the EU so I can see who's more worried But anyway, when does this thing close isn't it? It's March. Don't we have a vote coming what's going on with that? I've always Vote coming for what for the Parliament has to vote. Oh, yeah, they have to vote I don't know. I don't know if there's a timeline. I've always found it interesting one time I ran into some

23:22 When floating around Europe when you're in Europe the gadfly that you are floating around Europe in the 60s Don't have a lot of plants so I float around I guess I've gone to Europe many times with a year rail pass and ad-libbed very good Well, I would I would say that's floating around. Mm-hmm I run into this German girl and I strike up a conversation and I asked her if she's ever been to Paris and She says no Okay, well how long ago was this? It's interesting is that in Europe if you're in Germany you can go to Paris in a, what does it take, three or four hours on a high-speed rail? Five maybe from wherever you are? Pretty much. Or you can fly for like an hour. No, no, the Euro rail is very convenient. Yeah, well, not Europeans don't have the same access to it.

24:23 What is it seems to me that if you're in Europe, if you were in your station in Europe or position in Europe, or you're in Switzerland or you're in someplace central Europe, you would be spending a lot of weekends going to Paris and then Berlin to go to the zoo. zoo and you go, maybe take the channel to London. That's what you do. You wouldn't do it every weekend because it would get a little boring after a while, but you'd do it a lot. Go to Amsterdam to smoke weed and bang hookers. That's pretty much it. Yeah, there you go. But you'd be doing this sort of, you'd go to Budapest. Yes. So you do all that stuff. They don't do that.

25:02 No, well the Brits do. The Brits love their freedom of movement to Amsterdam to drink and bang hookers. Maybe that's what the... Or maybe they get fights over soccer games. Yeah, maybe that's what the Remainers are really pissed off about is, hey, why don't you just make a deal with Amsterdam? Better yet, get Elon Musk to build you one of those tunnels. Yeah, Hyperloop. Yeah, it'd be perfect. So meanwhile we have the G20 taking place. Which, I've gotten some reporting. What do I have here? By the way, let me back up to my last comment, since you're looking. I will say that's not just a European phenomenon. Up in Port Angeles, where you're pretty much on the Canadian border, even though there's a waterway right in between, you have to take a ferry boat and go to Victoria, Canada, probably one of the prettiest cities on the West Coast, if not in the world.

26:04 beautiful place to visit. They have one of their parliament building or one of their local parliament building, provincial parliaments there. They have a small Chinatown. They got a fan. It's a fantastic little big city. And you ask people there, have you ever been to Victoria, which is like a boat ride away in Canada? Oh, probably not. No, probably not. Why would I want to go there? Well, it's, It's it's kind of the same though being here in the Geary Region me and people say so tell me about your people don't a lot of people don't know my history I don't look like I used to you know so that's how I grew up, and if you actually do look like you used to no I don't think so and so if you put a giant fro on your head you would I've never had I've never had a fro Call it

26:57 But I'll say now I grew up in Amsterdam and most people like holy crap I used to live in South Indiana. And you know... Indianapolis once. They're honest about it though. It's like most people don't have a passport. Let's be honest America is the king of not going anywhere. But maybe it's a little more universal than we think it is. I think it is. Yeah. So here's the G20. This is an interesting backgrounder. And after that I have an article that only appeared in the China Morning Post, I think it is. But here's a little backgrounder, I think it's from CBC. Moments like this told the story critics of Mohammed bin Salman wanted to hear. The crown prince largely ignored the so-called family photo, walking off alone while other leaders mingled.

27:45 This is an awkward summit for Mohammed bin Salman. Up for grabs is how the leaders of the democratic world were going to treat him. And everybody was watching Trump. But someone else stole the show and bucked the narrative. Russian President Vladimir Putin, with a jocular high-five handshake and laughter between old friends, There are some similarities between Putin and MBS. Both have allegedly arranged for the assassinations of exiles abroad. Both have launched invasions of neighboring countries. But it's unlikely this displays about policy its messaging. This is a thumb and the face.

28:28 of all the Democratic countries that have been critical of bin Salman for the killing of Khashoggi. And it's also interesting because it both takes Trump off the hook. but puts him in the background. Both bin Salman and Putin have had friendly relationships with Donald Trump that are actually royal domestic politics inside the United States and in other democratic countries. And Donald Trump probably felt very uncomfortable being outside that handshake with two people that he thinks he has supported.

29:09 I'm glad to see that the Candanavians reporting of worldly affairs is just as shit as everybody else's. A lot went on at this thing, particularly between Trump and Xi. What do you have what have you been learning about us the thing that bothers me about it? Mm-hmm was there was a picture going around somebody one of my Lib Joe's sent me a copy of it Yeah, and it shows Trump in the background looking longingly at Putin and Khashoggi shaking hands and smiling at each other mean the job the jocular high-five is that we're talking about yeah, whatever we're talking about So Trump's back there

29:51 looking and I think the picture is kind of kind of fake because if you look at the video Trump is walking in really I don't even know if he even notices them and the video shows what happened but the but the mainstream media keeps showing this picture still frame clip from the video making it look like he stopped and stared hmm he never did you can go look at the video And I thought it was very disingenuous and they're all playing this picture. Oh, there's Trump, poor baby. His two friends are now friends and now he has no friends. That was kind of the message. I think this is the same message. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Well, that's not the way it in reality. That's not what was going on, but okay.

30:40 Okay, so what have you been learning? I mean, I've got some stuff here. I haven't learned anything except there's this meeting that Trump seems to be more distracted by the Bush affair because of the death of the old man. And he didn't want to do it. He's taking a low key position at this thing. He's not... Well, the China Post or the China Morning Post claims that there was an agreement that there would be a 90-day kind of a truce the trade rift and that China would be purchasing a significant amount of stuff from America, which I don't know what that is. Also, China has agreed to designate fentanyl as a controlled substance. These are some pretty interesting moves that are happening. That's a big one. Yeah, and that only showed up in the China Morning Post.

31:34 And I'm not sure what the trade thing means. It's a little unclear, but apparently some actual things took place, including... Yes, and that's where the stock market skyrocketed on Friday. Yes. But they don't want to do it. It doesn't play into the narrative that Trump's... But he sucks! That he sucks! He's no good! Of course not. So that's the only thing they've been showing is the... I haven't seen it obviously. Is video of Trump looking longing like a hurt teenage girl? No, you missed the point. It's not video of Trump. It's a still frame. Ah, the better. Obviously taken from the video, making it look like he's...

32:16 looking longing, it looks like he's there staring, oh no, when in fact if you watch the video he never stops for a moment, he walks in, looks around, doesn't even see them and then goes on his merry way and they found one frame where he appears to be looking at them for one frame which they show now as a photo. That's fantastic! Good work guys! Yeah. Little extra in your envelope this Christmas. Yeah, they could use a few hundred bucks. Yeah, there's no doubt about that. Somebody got paid and I think it was I even think that was doctored It doesn't look quite like it came from the video. Mmm. I'll have to take a look at that I'll send you a copy the one that the Libs Joe sent me is the one that is the best one and what was so it looks you look at and you go what this doesn't look right is to for one thing I

33:05 The guys in front, here's one giveaway for you Photoshoppers out there. The guys in front are in focus, then it goes slowly out of focus, it bokehs a little bit, and then way in the background is Trump somehow in focus. That's great. So you Photoshoppers, when you got that, you got that little picture of Trump in the back, hit the blur button a couple times, put him out of focus, It may take a little of the drama out, but it won't look so fake. Yeah, send me that for sure. I thought the story about Merkel's plane was pretty funny.

33:48 Let me see here. So David, a lot of moving parts here in Buenos Aires. One of the things we're going to be watching for is Angela Merkel of Germany, whether she makes it here or not, some weirdness around her flight departing Germany and then having to turn around with some communications problems. She's going to apparently fly commercial from Spain to try to get here. Not sure whether that affects her slate of meetings or not. So a lot of that affects her stature. Moving pieces here, a lot of confusion and of course a lot of high stakes economic diplomacy as well. for some reason this story was going around about her plane was bugged and that's why they landed and because she didn't want her, you know, whatever she was doing on the plane to be eavesdropped. I don't know where that story came from, but I saw it a lot. Um, yeah, I'm not sure where, again, I don't know. I just, people started saying, Oh, it looks like something with the plane being bugged. I don't know. But what kind of leader are you if you don't have a backup plane, a fly commercial?

34:45 That's kind of upsetting. It's like, hey Angola, you're on your way out. Here, fly Lufthansa. Yeah, coach, we'll buy you three seats, you can have the whole row to yourself. How does that sound? Yeah. No, I didn't even hear that story. Let's see what I got for international stuff since we're on that. Well, I see you have Argentina meetings. What? You have two clips, Argentina meetings, nothing in there? Yeah, well this is the backgrounders. This is if you want the whole background around the thing the way CBS played it. Okay, I think we should play them. Yeah, I'm interested. They're not too long. This is Argentina meeting one. Inside the conference, the Saudi crown prince and Russian president high-fived each other, but not President Trump. The sudden chill among some leaders made for a few awkward moments. Major Garrett is at the G20. Let's just talk for a second about that. This high-fiving of Putin and

35:48 Mohammed bin Salman and what do you make of that? It's I've Watched it a couple times. It's not really a high-five. It's a it's a handshake kind of a ghetto handshake Oh where you know, they grab the hand high and then you do a bunch of movements at the hand you wait a minute doing a soul shake Yeah, no, no, no, I've been in Gary. I don't think we have TV reception here. It goes up, it grabs a hand and they do a bunch of rigamarole, like a rehearse thing. Like they've met each other before and they do this like, boom, boom, boom, boom. But what are they thinking? Like, Hey, this is a good thing to do. This, this looks good.

36:37 Well, the funny thing was it looked as though if you just would have seen it and not known any of the politics, you would have said, oh, there's two guys who haven't seen each other for a while. And I didn't know if they hugged because they took the camera off it after a while, but it would be like you do that, you do the rigmarole and then you hug and do it three pats on the back thing. They bros, like two bros. Wow. But then they both had huge smiles on their faces. And the media tried to play it as though, ah, they had one over on this idiot president. We've got Trump. And it's kind of, you know, take the still shot of Trump in the background, which never really existed as a still shot, and put that into play. It makes our president look like an idiot.

37:25 I think that was the point. Yeah, but that's not the point that those guys did it. They didn't do it in cahoots. I don't know why they did it. There was no good explanation. Nobody ever asked them. Oh, why would we? Prince and Russian president high-fived each other, but not President Trump. The sudden chill among some leaders made for a few awkward moments. Major Garrett is at the G20 in Buenos Aires. President Trump avoided both Russian President Vladimir Putin and Saudi Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman at the ceremonial G20 photo today. Tensions with both leaders just one distraction in Argentina. For their part, Putin and the Crown Prince appeared to get along famously, shaking hands enthusiastically. The White House said Mr. Trump and bin Salman, under fire for the killing of journalist Jamal Khashoggi, had a brief encounter where they, quote, exchanged pleasantries.

38:15 Moments later, reporters asked the president what they discussed. The president canceled two planned meetings with Putin here to protest Russia's seizure of three Ukrainian Navy vessels and 24 sailors, the most brazen act of aggression toward Ukraine on Mr. Trump's watch. But White House officials had to beat back speculation. The meetings were canceled after the president's former lawyer Michael Cohen pled guilty yesterday to lying to Congress about Mr. Trump's development project in Moscow. Russia blamed the scuttled meetings on domestic reasons in the US. In a statement White House Press Secretary Sarah Sanders said the special counsel's investigation probably does undermine our relationship with Russia. So you got a little jab in there at the end. Oh yeah. Part two. I don't think there's anything else to talk about. The president tweeted that his aborted Russia real estate deal was very legal and very cool.

39:20 Does this lead us into this thing or will it come back around to Argentina? No, I think that, I don't know. We'll find out. The president did celebrate a revamped trade deal with Mexico and Canada, the product of months of tense negotiations. It's been long and hard. We've taken a lot of barbs and a little abuse. And we got there. It's great for all of our countries. All right, Major. The big meeting, though, is tomorrow with the president and the president of China, Xi Jinping. What should we be expecting from that? Well, today here in Argentina, Jeff, both senior and Chinese officials expressed optimism about averting a trade war and reaching some kind of progress between the United States and China. And the Dow jumped nearly 200 points on optimism that a feared trade war can indeed hear.

40:14 be averted. I love that. So they do spend at least seven seconds on something important and the rest is just making our president and our country look stupid like boneheads. And the president, you know, I wonder if the president is doing these, what I would consider to be somewhat double entendres of a sexual nature. Oh really? I think a double entendre is by definition. Yes. When he says long and hard taking barbs, a little abuse, Sounds like a little S&M scene that he's creating. Oh, interesting. He has sex on the mind perhaps. Or he's... He's thinking about it. Maybe. I don't know. I just, when I heard it, I said, that's kind of interesting. He said that way. He could have said, he could have put it in a million different ways. And you know, that's because... and maybe it's just me. Yeah, that's possible. That's possible.

41:07 Well, I bet I do like what the media is doing at least from a media perspective You know making the president look stupid for the home for the home team so we can do that. He's he's locked out He's not important. He's envious. He's like the the little girl who doesn't belong in the club And you know when when Bush passed almost the first thing on the New York Times homepage was an article about well You know will he be invited to the funeral? We're gonna have that now. Will he be invited to the funeral? Maybe the Bush's don't want him because he was so mean. Yeah, well, there's no way he could be not invited to the funeral. It's gonna be a state funeral for God's sake.

41:51 But the New York Times loves printing that stuff. Well, an example of that sort of thing is in this Amy Goodman story. This is a story about Deutsche Bank, the new, you know, there's a big scandal going on. Oh yeah, they got for money laundering, they got raided. Yeah, yeah, big raid. So here's the Deutsche Bank story now. It's all about Deutsche Bank, the money laundering. Let me guess, can we breach Trump in? Breach Trump into it. In Germany, Deutsche Bank's headquarters were raided on Thursday as part of a probe into money laundering. The probe stems from the 2016 Panama Papers affair, which revealed mass money laundering and tax evasion schemes set up by the Mossack Fonseca law firm.

42:35 Deutsche Bank is President Trump's largest lender, with Trump reportedly owing hundreds of millions of dollars to the German bank for real estate loans dating back some 20 years. Yeah, I think that's factually incorrect. I mean, she's just parroting whatever she read somewhere. And you know, the former New York banker worked there. He says we did two deals. Then we all made money on it, it was perfectly fine. Of course he sued us and we went to court and we still made money on it. So I don't think that's true. that he still owes money. It's just a myth. Well, he parroted his news. This is the problem with these people. Yeah. And Amy Goodman is very susceptible to it.

43:18 It shouldn't even be in the story though. It's about Deutsche Bank and their money laundering. It's got nothing to do with Trump under any circumstances. Just because you're going to name everybody who's had a bank account at Deutsche Bank, whether they borrow money or not, doesn't make any sense. Well, also in all of these reportings on money laundering, except way after the fact, HSBC, for which no one went to jail, Jim Comey made sure of that as a member of the board of directors. They never really talk about what the money laundering was. And same with this Deutsche Bank story. Have you been able to find anywhere what or who they were laundering for or what the money was, where the money came from? You'd think you'd be able, if you can find out that they were money laundering, you have to be able to find out who they were money laundering for. You wouldn't have a case. Yeah, but that just seems to not be important.

44:11 I don't know why they don't bring it up. Is it one of the Mexican cartels? Is it European interests? Is it some African despot? I mean, we don't know. Drugs typically isn't just drug money. That's what it was at HSBC. They always say drug money, drug money. Okay, who's drug money? Well, it was Mexican drug money with the big one. I remember that. But again, that's also just, yeah, whatever, fine. No one cares. Just drug money. Be quiet. Be quiet. Well, then there was the best Trump slam came and this is your beat. I don't know if you have the clip. The now apparently canceled Murphy Brown reboot. It's been canceled, I believe. Well, it stinks. Have you seen it? And thank you to all the Norman Lear folks for helping that story get off, that show get off the ground by screwing them with these

45:09 thematic, you know, anti-government stories. Well, it's not anti-government, anti-Trump. Yeah, it's not just anti-government. I don't know if you saw this. This is, I think it's a trailer or just a piece of it, so I haven't seen the whole episode. I don't know if this aired or not. It's Murphy Brown and one of her journalists has been beaten into a hospital at a Trump rally. And so his face is all mashed up and beaten. She comes in and- When has that happened? And we start with the scene. I guess when you major in journalism these days, you have to minor in kickboxing. Hey, Uncle Frank. Hey, guys. What happened to you? I thought you knew how to duck. You should see the other hundred guys. How bad do I look? Not bad.

46:06 if you're a piñata. So I guess the takeaway here is next time you cover a rally, hope the president doesn't give you a shout-out. When Trump left the stage, I decided to leave the press pen and go interview some of the people. Next thing I knew, I'm surrounded by a sea of red hats. Oh, God. No big deal. I'm just milking this for the Jell-O and sponge baths. There you go. journalist got beaten within an inch of his life at a Trump rally in the pretend Murphy Brown series. Yeah. Keep on sucking! When does that happen in real life? No it hasn't happened in real life but I think that... A bunch of Trump supporters have had the crap beat out of them. Yeah. But... In California that's why Trump never came here. I mean it's just it's unconscionable.

46:59 Well again, I got they had to put the red hats in there too like they're gonna be wearing the red hats. Mm-hmm Of course, of course, that's it's well it got canceled. So that's what you was doomed from the first episode the clips I played from it, but Hold on a second. We know how television works and okay. It's CBS CBS. Yes CBS, but still to get anything on the air at any network or any television network, that's quite a process. There's a lot of people and a lot of money involved and how can they still... It's unbelievably hard. How can this happen? I mean that must mean that at its core CBS is so hateful and so rotten. Otherwise you just don't put this on the air just because you know it's not going to be successful. It's like, I mean it's like Hirakiri.

47:50 You know that it's not going to draw all the audience you need for a primetime show. Well, there's a couple of possibilities to put our executive hats on. It had to be at Moonves Greenlight because that's when he was in the... because this thing was greenlighted long before he got kicked out. Moonves may have greenlighted it knowing it was going to fail, but it was a quid pro quo to the CIA or somebody else who's got a lot, their claws are all over, are all over CBS, as we've pointed out before. And it was, it's gone way back to the early days. They've always been very closely connected to that network.

48:34 And it may have been just a nod to them with it in mind that it wasn't going to work out because, you know, but it was going to get a lot of attention for not working out or it may get some, make some point. Maybe the point that you just played is the point that it was trying to make and it was, that's fine. It was kind of canceled. So what we, we put other things on that we expect to cancel right away. Anyway, ABC did it with Roseanne. You're looking for any excuse to get rid of her. Uh, so. You know, you don't know. I mean, I there's some note of insincerity about the whole thing. I mean, bring Murphy for one thing, Candace Bergen. She's lost whatever acting shop she once had and seemed to be faxing in her performances. And the whole thing seems somewhat fake. So I don't know.

49:25 Just saying. That's a long answer to I don't know. Yeah. Well, I don't know, but I suspect there's something more to it than just going through the process and then just crapping out. OK, well, it shows no business acumen in the decision making or at least not business acumen that these executive producers would adhere to. You and I. Or the network at the time because now that Moonves is out, Moonves may have also been one of these guys who run these networks that can say, yeah, it's not making it now, but it will. I mean, there's numerous long carrying shows. MASH, I think was one of them. Cheers was another one. It was a bust. And oddly, Baywatch only was successful in Deutschland.

50:14 But boy was Hasselhoff right. He was right. I think the word bust has a different meaning with Baywatch. Yes, gotcha. All right. Does that bring us to me too? Does that bring us to Neil deGrasse Tyson? Well, no, not quite, but we're going to get there. I just want to get this one out of the way because we talked about the Trump and the Russian deal and all the rest. There's one little tidbit that Amy And I don't know if it's bullcrap or not, but it's pretty funny. But the way it's presented is kind of disingenuous, another example. This is the, you have to listen carefully, this is about a penthouse that Putin was supposed to get. Yeah, the $50 million penthouse that was supposed to be a part of the collusion deal. Yeah.

50:59 Okay, BuzzFeed News is reporting the Trump- Anything that starts off like that, I mean you could pretty much describe it. When it starts off with BuzzFeed News, I'm gonna click other channel. BuzzFeed News is reporting the Trump Organization planned to give a 50 million dollar penthouse at the proposed Trump Tower Moscow to Russian President Vladimir Putin. Okay. So what? It's just a room. I mean, the top floor of the place, you're going to give it to somebody because usually it's a gift to someone as a bribe. It's a bribe. And you can price it at anything you want. It could be, if it was an Emeryville over here, they had these penthouses that were a million, a million dollars. So it's a little different in Moscow than Emeryville, but still. I just thought that was just a who cares thing, personally.

51:55 I was giving him $50 million. No, but this this has been a story that I've heard all weekend about this penthouse and you know the collusion and well actually I'm gonna play this now because I think it makes a lot of sense. Collusion. Yeah, any collusion. So I'll just so the background to all this is Michael Cohen flipped. He He flipped, he's done something, it's, oh wait, I have the backgrounder? What am I thinking? I have the backgrounder from The View. I gotta tell you this news about Michael Cohen, we always knew when Michael Cohen flipped that he probably had some significant information. Now he's pled guilty to lying in front of Congress about the Trump Tower plans, that the Trump Tower was gonna be built in Moscow.

52:41 Okay, so you got to write this down to follow it. So now he's been caught lying to Congress apparently. You got to write down Congress. He said, you know, everything ended when Trump became president in January of 2016. Now we know those conversations... Oh, okay, so Cohen was lying to Congress. ...continued through July 2017. But that means that Michael Cohen lied to the public, to the Congress, and the president lied to the American people. I love this. This is the revelation. He lied to the American public where they have been giving us actual counts of how often he's lied to the American public. But this one is a little different somehow. I know. But the thing is, and we've talked about this before. Yeah, but Trump says, Trump, this is what I saw him two minutes ago. Yeah, Trump just spoke. Going on and on, bloviating on and on because he's so nervous.

53:33 But he said that there was no deal. There was no Moscow Trump Tower. Yeah, so it never happened. So what's the big deal? What do you say? It is a big deal because if it happened if these negotiations were going on while he was president It's precisely what the framers of our Constitution wrote in to protect the American people again What she's referring to is our old friend the emoluments clause which will pop up again and you will be hearing incessantly because somehow a deal that never completed is enriching yourself. Because we want to make sure that this president, any president, is not putting his self-interest before the interest of the country. And is there a smoking gun here, do you think? I think so. What would it be? Buildings. There'll be documents, you know, negotiations. This is a common theme. Is the legality of the charges and what it will entail

54:25 You're a lot of brain frying orange man bad. You know when these when these questions are trying to be answered documents There could be tapes. That's the funny thing when people lie to the federal prosecutors Don't they know that federal prosecutors usually don't even ask questions. They don't know the answer to already like they have the federal The federal bureau of investigation working for them. Best investigative tool in the world. In the world! Usually asking questions, they already have the answers. We always do that. That's why not having Manafort, I don't think is a huge deal for Mueller. And it also sadly doesn't surprise me that- I just love this- It's a huge deal. This deal, this armchair quarterbacking is great when it comes from the ladies from The View. Cohen has lied to Congress and then Manafort. Manafort's life- Lawyers, I mean, Trump's lawyers.

55:08 bad the public doesn't even get the results of this report. Right? I think there's this idea that Mueller's going to stand in front of the camera and he's going to, you know, list a bunch of things that they found. But ultimately Mueller gives it to Whitaker. That's why his role is so important because Whitaker, the attorney general, can then decide to just keep it quiet, just give an outline to Congress. It'll leak. Today is a good day for Donald Trump to resign. I really believe that.

55:50 I would wager that your Lib Joe friends have very similar scenarios in their head as to what's going on, but of course they do. We don't have to defend it. Hell froze over and Jake Tapper of all people disgraced from ABC News, lowered down to CNN, and he has incoming chairman or most he's now the currently the ranking member which means he's of the of the opposition party but this the Democrat his name is Jerry Nadler, so he will be the chairman. Oh, God, Nadler is the worst of the group, by the way. Well, this is the best thing. The worst. So he's going to be the chairman of the House Judiciary Committee. Yeah. Oversight over the Justice Department.

56:41 Jake Tapper, God bless him. I don't know what happened. I don't know if it's smart of him to do this because of course a guy like Nadler will come on CNN thinking home game no worries I'll just punt just you know bop it around like we always do and I'll score some goals and I'll go home what? Well first of all I think Nadler is not well liked. By anybody and so I don't think he's gonna get that treatment. Well he did not get that treatment but that's what he was thinking. And, yeah, okay. Well, then he was very poorly prepared. Yeah, he's an idiot, but that's what he would be thinking. Yeah, that's what he would be thinking. So Jake Tapper states the obvious, not once, but maybe five times in this interview. He says, yeah, what Trump did may not, may stink, I think he says, may stink, but it's not illegal. But listen to the brain fry and subsequently the

57:43 Just word diarrhea coming out of his piehole And this guy is going to be the chairman of the Judiciary Committee. It's baffling. Congressman Jerry Nadler of New York He's the ranking member of the House Judiciary Committee expected to become the chairman of that committee when the Democrats take control in January Thanks so much for being here. Appreciate it. So this is look this is clearly not welcome news for the president I don't want to pretend that it is but once again, I look at these documents and I don't see any evidence of conspiracy between members of the Trump team and members the Russian government to interfere in the election. Well, first of all, the president obviously has to be feeling very upset and angry now that we know that Michael Cohen was lying to Congress on his behalf. And he has to be upset about what Michael Cohen has admitted to now and presumably what he... I'm just realizing that this is really how this guy thinks. He's really thinking, oh man, I bet Trump is really pissed off about this. I bet he's really just steaming. He's so mad about...

58:45 Cohen flipping on him he's got to be worried. We'll admit to and what he's admitted yeah is that he was negotiating a corrupt business deal in Russia on behalf of the president during the campaign. Now you and I would probably say hold on a second what do you mean corrupt business deal this is new what you're putting in here was there any reporting of it being corrupt? And lo and behold, Jake Tapper does just that. When the president was saying there was no business deal... You call it a corrupt business deal? Well, the fact that it was negotiated with a foreign power over business deals while you're running for president... Not illegal, you mean like more just colloquially corrupt? Yes, yes, yes. But still no conspiracy.

59:29 Listen to this, now the guy's brain is on fire. Well wait a minute. It certainly tends to indicate, it's one more piece of evidence. Remember that, so now we know Cohen testifies to the fact that that Trump during the campaign at the same time that he is dictating a change in the Republican platform to favor the Russians at the same time that he can find nothing negative to say about Putin. Wait here are the charges. Number one so apparently negotiations were going on with the Russians while he changed the platform to favor Russia.

1:00:07 which is debatable but the platform was changed but the second item on the list the second item on the list is he wasn't saying anything bad about him he wasn't he was his it's actually an offense to not say something bad about him about what they're doing is in fact negotiating with the Russian government for personal business profits he's mixing his personal business profits with respect and perhaps putting them over the interest of the United States. So this is the case, I love this, that Trump as everyone knows is such a narcissist, cares so little about America that he only wants to enrich himself during the campaign and during the election and today, right now all he cares about is getting richer himself and not about America. That is the claim.

1:01:03 Does Jake Tapper want to be fired? You have another piece of evidence of active business dealings and conspiring by Trump with the Russian government at the time. At the same time, that you have other people who are agents of Trump dealing with all the things we've seen about hacking the youth, Guccifer 2 and the WikiLeaks and everything else. It's another... WikiLeaks, Guccifer 2, blah, blah, blah. It's like that other clip that we played, John.

1:01:46 Whereas like give me some examples of how he's undermining democracy and people just start yelling FBI, NSA This guy's he's just throwing where wiki leaks a goose for 2.0 You have another piece of evidence of active business dealings and conspiring by Trump with the Russian government at the time. At the same time, that you have other people who are agents of Trump dealing with all the things we've seen about hacking the youth, Guccifer 2, and the Wikileaks and everything else. It's another point of Trump's close relationship with the Russians.

1:02:27 No, this is great! Yeah! But Jake Tapper is hanging in there! Um, and it all tends in the same direction. So, President Trump responded to basically what you said earlier today. Let's play that. He basically says he wasn't the president, he was just a candidate, he can do what he wants. Take a listen. Even if he was right, it doesn't matter because I was allowed to do whatever I wanted during the campaign. Is that true? Well, no, he's not allowed to do whatever he wants during the campaign. He is allowed to have private business dealings with the Russians. He is not allowed to have private business dealings with the Russians and lie to the American electorate about it. And at the same time, change the Republican platform with respect to the Russians. In other words, to mix his public policy and probably the public policy going forward into his presidency based on public... When you say that he's not allowed to, I'm not disputing that it stinks, but it's not illegal, right?

1:03:26 It's not illegal to have public, to have business dealings with the Russians. It's not illegal to change the Republican platform. It may very well be illegal to take that public, and it's certainly illegal if he's done anything as president based on his business relationships with the Russians. And this is another piece of evidence going toward that conclusion. Well, it's clear. Impeach him! What the hell was he saying? He wasn't saying anything, but here's another question that could have been asked. Why was it in Putin or the Russian government's best interest to get him elected when if they had not gotten him elected, Putin would have benefited with a $50 million penthouse?

1:04:18 I don't think Jake had read BuzzFeed at that point, so maybe he didn't have that information. But what is... I mean, Tapper, all of a sudden now he's just asking... I just don't think he likes Nadler. Nadler's an unlikable person. But I think he puts his reputation on the line with stuff like this. Well... Doing hard-hitting news, that's what it is. Hard-hitting. He's rolling it out real hard. Hard-hitting. Barbed. And with that, I'd like to thank you for your courage and say in the morning to you, John C, you know where the C stands for. I can't come up with something in Geary. Dvorak! In the morning to you, Mr. Adam Curry.

1:05:06 Also, in the morning to all the ships at sea, boots on the ground, feet in the air, and subs in the water. And all the day's and night's out there. That is the new tube everybody. It's a new sound effect we're testing on the No Agenda Show. And in the morning to the troll room at noagendastream.com. I've been looking at the troll room and very unhelpful. No one cracking one-liners that aren't funny, but okay. Thanks for being there No agenda stream calm where you can always witness our show live and also a big in the morning to once again Darren O'Neill who brought us the artwork for episode 1090 a title that was truth tell and I Know I remember why we chose this this is the it was so this is a logo that was is going to be used for Al Gore's 24 hours of reality and

1:05:55 And he changed it significantly to make it three hours of reality, the no agenda show. And we felt it was appropriate since the... Yeah, there was actually a number of pieces there that were usable. We picked that one because it was the most... Some of the other ones... There's a little tip. Some of the other ones that are... Sometimes you turn something in that maybe even is the better piece, but there's something that's more timely. In other words, it can't be used again in the future. The one piece that we thought was also really good could be used in another show where we have no art. Right, right, exactly.

1:06:39 And also we wanted to remind everybody what to not use us was that something we needed to remind everybody you want to know yeah you can't put our pictures in the art we because the reason is because the first two or three years of art to at least the first two years of art every artwork had our pictures it was like the theme yeah And then one day we got sick of it. We got really tired of it. It was basically the same two or three images. Yeah. And so we said no more pictures of us period. We're not going to do that. Right. And so we stopped. So if there's a picture of either one of us, it could be one or the other, sometimes just one. It immediately gets overlooked. Immediately. It just gets kicked. You're losing out. You're wasting your time. It can't be done.

1:07:23 Let's start with thanking a few executive producers. We got three of them. Kevin Silverman is the top of the list from Severn, Maryland, or Severn, sorry, 36540. Please de-douche me. Please de-douche me as I've been donating this for donating after, for finally donating after listening for one whole year. You guys are highly entertaining and are much needed in this downward spiraling society. My birthday is on December 14th, and I'll be passing 40 years on my odometer. So happy birthday, karma would be appreciated. Thanks for all you do. Kevin, the retiring sailor. Okay, very nice. You've got karma.

1:08:16 Hey, here's our buddy from Cary, North Carolina for $333, Sir Crash EMT. Oh. And he's the one who gives the information on these different drugs that guys have available for use to bring people out of a coma. ITM Jensen, JNK, please add me to the birthday list as today is my 46th trip around the sun. We will certainly do that. And thank you for your courage and for your support of the show. That's right everybody, here he is once again, your Grand Duke of the Pacific Northwest. I thought Melancon was the Grand Duke of the Pacific Northwest. I have no idea. You told me that we didn't do this on the last show. I'm like, I thought I had to play a Nussbaum thing. I don't remember now. No, it was Melancon you left out of the thing. Was he, was he, did he produce on the last show? I thought it was Nussbaum. Yeah, he was the top guy and he didn't get a jingle. Oh man. And so I gave Nussbaum one when he doesn't, I'm confused. I don't know what I'm doing. I was trying to be ahead of the, ahead of the curve.

1:09:21 Well, you were doing fine until you gave him a false credit. What am I thinking? Okay. Yeah, you're right now I see what I did wrong ladies and gentlemen The Grand Duke of the Pacific Northwest since Wayne Mellon song so that's that was meant for the previous show Okay, you know one of these days they're gonna show these guys it's gonna be robotics. I won't even do the podcast Just as crappy Thomas Nussbaum in 31459. He's a Duke, Grand Duke. Much love to Citizen X, Brain, Raven and all the Twitter folks. Stand by for all the fun in the Middle East, Pipeline, Sterny and MBS. Oh my. Yes. Oh my. We're waiting for it. Thank you, Thomas, Sir Thomas Nussbaum. Let's give him a karma. Even though he didn't ask for it, I totally agree. You've got karma.

1:10:18 Sir Dave, Sir Dave, becomes our first associate executive producer. And curiously we have three, so it's a balanced show, three and three, that's what I like to see. Sir Dave, 20102. Gents, F-cancer karma for my buddy Brad seems to have taken. MRI last week shows no more tumor. So that's a good thing. Excellent. Thanks for doling it out and request some goat karma for good measure. Thank you for your courage, Sir Dave KCMO. Well, I, you know, we can't take credit for what happens, but these karma things, man, when it works, it always feels good. Very happy to hear that. You've got

1:10:57 Thank you, Sir Dave. Sir Kevin McLaughlin, the Viscount of Luna. He's $200.33 in Locust, North Carolina. In the morning, whoa, in the morning and thank you for your courage, gentlemen. John's follow-up email was a call to action. F cancer karma from my uncle Huey and others fighting cancer. Thank you for keeping my amygdala in check. You've got karma. Yeah, I want to talk about that for a second.

1:11:38 So about the newsletter now I subscribe through two different accounts both at curry.com and I got all Essentially four emails I got both of them twice but a lot of people didn't get the newsletter and it seems that things are Going on and I wonder if you had any forensics Looking into it, but here's the here's what my indicators are and I'm actually talking to mail chimp guys. They think there's nothing so Every week I send a newsletter out on Thursdays and Saturdays. I start Wednesdays and Saturdays the day before the show.

1:12:17 And last Thursday is the one that really concerned me because it was only a 25% open rate, which means there was... But it wasn't any different than any of the other newsletters in terms of the headlines or the tease or anything else. Can I ask questions? Do you typically expect a higher open rate? I expect to be about 47%. Which is extremely high in the newsletter business, is it not? Yes, but there's a lot of reasons for that. Generally speaking, just asking questions. Something somebody subscribed to, it should be higher. When I do my wine newsletter occasionally, the open rate's about 85%. Hey, how can I get on that list? I'm not on that list. I'll put you on it. Oh, it's by invitation. Let me explain my concern. So I send this thing out and

1:13:06 The first thing that happens when it immediately goes out to MailChimp, I get, I don't have the number in front of me, but it's five or six, I have these cheat indicators that I use, and people who have ever been in the mailing list business have these, they have all these tricks. This is one of mine. I get five or six immediate bounce-backs from people with automated messages. It just crops up immediately. Bang, bang, bang, bang, bang, bang, five, and six. And every week, and every time I send it out, I'll get back either, I'll either get all those back just immediately or I'll get maybe two of them. I wonder where the other four went. But this time on Thursday, I got none. I got zero of these.

1:13:57 On the Saturday newsletter I got three or four, so it was better. But I didn't get what I'm expecting to get. So the people that are supposed to send me the automated reply, this is an automated reply. We're not at the desk right now. So it's automatic. Okay, I gotcha. That's your trick. That's a good trick. Yes. Very good trick. So these automated replies don't show up at all and they're automated. Now were these Gmail addresses? Are these Gmail addresses primarily or what is that? Well I'm looking into all the details. Because it might, you know, Gmail doesn't necessarily mean it's about Gmail. I mean I think it is about Gmail. I think it is too. And I think they keep changing their algorithms and so I think now I'm doing something I shouldn't be doing.

1:14:46 A lot of people have company names but are actually Gmail. Right. Ah yes, yeah, Gmail for business. Well I have two thoughts about it. One, is, is it possible that because you, there was some email virus going around attached to your domain name that is not anyone's fault necessarily or solvable, but a lot of people receiving it probably also in Gmail that maybe Gmail went, something's up with this. So let's just route everything to spam if it comes from that, from anything related to Dvorak.org? It's always possible, but there's no, uh,

1:15:26 For one thing, if they're looking at Dvorak.org, they're not looking at the sender. Right, I'm just saying. I'm just saying that that's a possibility that Google hasn't stuff sent that way. The possibilities are endless. I'd accept that as a possibility, even though there's no evidence of it. Here's the most important thing. People who use Gmail, How long are you going to let Google determine what you can see and what you can do? How long until you really are missing things that may be important that Google deemed not important to you? How long are you gonna stand for that for something as I think critical as email ask yourself? What the hell are you doing? Why are you letting some company do this for free because you know, they're doing it for free There's a reason for it and it's probably not to help you out. I

1:16:15 Think about it. It's my new sign off. Think about it. A message from Uncle Adam. That's right. That's right. All right. Last, last. It's one of these things. I think it's a, I think they've changed something. I've got to figure out what it is because I, here's a, I'll give you a, here's a tip for you mailers. I always give me, I give away cause it's the nature of this show. We give away information. That's good to know. If you're doing a mailing, for example, to a group, to a mailing list and you, uh, You're trying everything, you do everything you can not to get it bounced back. One of the things you want to avoid, of course, is things like using all caps in the subject line. That's like five points against you. Oh yeah, that's immediate baba. Yeah. Yeah. Now I've been using all caps in the send line because it seems to be very effective. That may actually be not working against me now. I have to experiment some more.

1:17:12 with a B test. You know, let me just stop you there. Interesting you say that because I have always found the all caps, you know, the no agenda, whatever it is, it's all caps. And to me it always gets my attention. Like, oh shit, there's the newsletter. Yeah. So that's just a small trick you're using that may be outlawed now. Maybe it's on the front end, but it's not on, you can't put it on the subject line cause I know that's outlawed. Right. So you got to minimize... two things about subject line you got to know. One, you can't use all caps and keep the exclamation parts to a minimum. Oh wait, no exclamation marks. Ever. No, that's a bad one. Ever. Yeah. All right. There was one other tip I had that I wanted to throw out. Well, that was only three. Those three, you promised five.

1:18:03 I didn't promise five tips. I think you said five tips. I got three. I want five email tips. Okay, here's the last one. This is the third one. This is the one I want. This is the one I want to start with for people doing emailing. You need to know this. All right. Never, this, but I got burned on this one and it didn't take me long to figure it out. Never, ever use the same link in the email note. Go here, go there, go here, twice. Never use the same one twice. And so to get around it for the show, because you know, I'm always pestering people to donate. Do you have a randomizer?

1:18:44 No, you can't even create a randomizer. You just gotta go to PayPal. PayPal's not gonna put up with that. You just create second and third links that are pretty much the same thing. So the URL to donate to NoAgenda is urla. If I want to say it again at the end of the note, I can't use that exact same URL. I can't. Huh, because that's an automatic spam buster. Yes, you're done. Not gonna happen. That mail's not going anywhere. All right, so what do you do? I just create another URL that's pretty much the same thing, except it's got a different name. A shortened URL.

1:19:26 No, you can't do that either. All shortened URLs are checked. Well, how are you making... what URL? I don't understand. I create a URL, I go to PayPal. Here, donation URL. Donate to the No Agenda Show. Here's the URL. Create a button for me. Boom, here's your URL. I go back to PayPal. I say, donate for a good cause to the No Agenda Show or just anything. They give me a different URL every time I create a new button. Hey, John, thanks. That's what I was trying to figure out. You sound exasperated, but I didn't know how it worked for things I thought I thought you were sending people to Dvorak org slash na differently now I understand what you're doing you're sending them straight to pay you have no alternative then to do it straight to PayPal because you don't have a different agenda at Slash na I can only use that once I have to be careful. I don't Put it in there twice. Well. You know what this this is an Amazon giblet if I've ever heard it

1:20:22 Oh, yeah, a little emailing tricks. You have 10. That's only a few of them. I don't even know all of them and there's tons. But this is useful stuff. Because I know for a fact from time way back when, when Matt Cutts was still there and I was getting into trouble. Oh yeah, the Cutts man. I know that they changed these things and they don't tell anybody. No. So they, of course, they changed it and I don't know what it is that's what I'm doing wrong. Wow. Okay, well good on you. I mean that's a that's a tough beat and I appreciate you diving so deep and making it work and let's see how we do for for Thursday show. Hopefully we can figure it out.

1:21:04 Well, yes, it's a personal thing with me about this whole thing. And we got our last associate executive producer who should be mentioned. He's been sitting there on pins and needles, but he's in Victoria, BC, one of the prettiest places in the world. So good for him. Charles McPherson, 200 bucks. It is dynamite, everyone should visit it. Please accept my donation of $200. I will kindly refuse one for one for the Canadian dollar as I know your cost of living is in American dollars. This is my third, well that's sweet. That is nice. This is my third donation after listening over 300 episodes or 900 hours.

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1:22:45 name band that created noagendalight.glump.net. I'll give you that again for anyone who wants to know about this. It doesn't show up in the search usually. Noagendalight, L-I-T-E, dot glump, G-L-U-M-P, dot net, which enabled me to download the podcast over low bandwidth. A great resource for any traveler. Yes, we knew about this. We haven't mentioned him for a while. Well, you know that's... No, it's not to help me keep updated on my long days of hiking in relative isolation. Let me tell you, Nepal is goat-oriented. As I write this, my smoking hot spouse is questioning why you donate to a free podcast

1:23:38 For the value. Yes. Thanks for all you do Charles in Victoria, BC. There's a frugal Canadian woman, you know, giving it away. Why pay for a cow when the milk is free? You know that the low bandwidth, no agenda low bandwidth started I think that started with Australia, you know, 10-11 years ago as the bandwidth was very expensive and it was really crappy bandwidth and was hard. I think it was the Australians who really couldn't get the show in regular fidelity or a lot of them. And I think most of the problem was cost, if I recall.

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1:25:28 Well in our never-ending understanding of how people work and what makes them tick whenever You say something that is strange, people will email me. And whenever I say something that is off-kilter or whatever, people email you. And even when I say, hey, email John at Dvorak.org about something, somehow they still email me. And this is regarding your Australian accent. The steak and shrimp incident. Steak!

1:26:13 Second shrimp incident. Well, as it turns out, not only are you really pronouncing it horribly, but you shouldn't even be using these words. Yes. Alright, Dvorak. You want to practice your Australian accent? I got a little bit of advice for you. Normally we have five vowels. A, E, I, O, and U. But in Australia, they more or less have two. And it's I, I, and oi. Talk like that, you'll sound like an Aussie in no time. So that is some advice from Matthew Bigelow. Now we move over to Martin from Queensland. G'day John, how they hanging? Mate, let me tell you about the Aussie accent, because bloke needs work.

1:27:08 Firstly, no true blue Aussie heads down the pub for a steak and shrimp. We call them prawns because in Australia, a prawn is almost as big as your forearm and a shrimp is little tackers running amok around the house. Okay, I'll translate. So they don't say shrimp, they say prawns because prawns are what you eat in Australia and shrimp apparently... I've gotten this note from a number of people but they don't eat shrimp, they eat prawns. But yet it's the Outback restaurant, an Australian themed restaurant that sells steak and shrimp. And is that restaurant in Australia or is that restaurant in America? This reminds me of the first time I went to the UK in the 70s and I found the California burger and it was like, it was the worst thing. There was no, there was no relationship to any sort of normal hamburger. It's like a meatball sandwich.

1:28:03 Would you like to hear the rest of your critique? Yes, as everyone knows I'm very open to this. A steak is a steak. It can be freaking huge or just a big sucker. Either way, you're testing the dunny the next day. So if you're out with the missus down the local for a meal or a stubby or two and you splash out, you might order a kilo monster rump with a prawn topper. Mate, this is called a surf and turf. Ask for a steak and a shrimp and the sheila behind the bar will drop you on your ass quick as look at you. Fair dinkum. Anyway boys in the morning, so I think I think the the clue here is or the lesson is You just ask for surf and turf, then you're safe, so nothing can go wrong But in case you don't know how to do it after this advice We always have Chris Wilson to remind us in song so I've been working on my Australian accent want to hear it sure

1:28:58 and shrimp, as far as I've gotten. So John, you want to speak some Aussie? So I figured I'd write you this song. But when you say steak and shrimp, to all of us Aussies it sounds kinda wrong. Because the shrimp we call a prawn, and prawns and steak, they're rather swank. So simply order of surf and turf. Hey, do you want to sound like a douchebag yank? There you go your Australian lesson courtesy of the producers of the no agenda show yes all from Australia Yes, they would know I guess I heard some good voiceover talent in that in there. That's uh That's Chris. No. I mean besides Chris. Oh the From the guy from Queensland

1:30:00 Maybe yeah you mean Martin Martin in Queensland maybe could be yeah, I didn't take notes, but maybe Martin and Queensland's just send me a note We'll give him something to do okay good idea. I mean it was really thick so that like to think It's what she's borderline not understandable all right So we had a big earthquake in Alaska. I got the report on it just so we can get a little, so at least we talk about it. Yeah. There's not much to talk about. It's just a big earthquake. Good evening. I'm Jeff Blore, Western Edition, and we are going to begin tonight with a major earthquake that shook Alaska today. Jamie Ucas is following all of this.

1:30:42 The major earthquake rocked buildings like this courthouse and seemed to go on and on. Roads collapsed all around Anchorage, including this ramp near the International Airport. A lone car was left on an island of asphalt. Just walking up after this earthquake. Holy smoke. Food flew off store shelves and windows were shattered. The quake struck just seven miles northwest of the downtown area of Alaska's largest city. Our Anchorage station, KTVA, took a big jolt. This is what their newsroom looked like after the quake. All of these are TVs and computers. This is a camera. Over here we have

1:31:25 This pile of broken shattered glass. This is our conference room. It's our break room. Oh, man. Um, oh, that's got a whole bunch of food stuff This is a TV in the break room fell ripped off the wall. This is gonna be a mess to clean up Students dove under desks At the Anchorage Airport How often have they had earthquakes there I don't can't really recall any I Well, they had a Whopper in 63-64 that was a 9, the biggest recorded on the globe ever. And that was on the old system, on the old scale, the real Richter scale. Yeah, so it would probably be a 50. Yeah, now we're on the momentum scale, which is purposely jacked up to make everything look worse, in our opinion.

1:32:15 Their earthquakes have a lot of uplift, so you end up with not just a bunch of shaking, but all of a sudden a highway will be- Just buckles. You'll be going and it'll be 10 foot of dirt is lifted up 10 feet. Things will get thrown around. They have bad earthquakes up there and they have, I think they have something like, I might be wrong on this number, but I was looking at this number, I said, this doesn't make sense. 40,000 a year emers yeah, did you see there was that there's a map and it has all the the seismic or a number of seismic sensors across the USA and They show the minute the the earthquake hits and then you see this wave going all the way through of course it hits the Pacific Northwest and California and then it I mean even Texas there was I mean almost the East Coast you could there was some measurement of it and

1:33:07 But as a resident of the People's Republic of California, are you worried that this could kick something off in your area? Does this ever come up? No. Okay. It's pretty separated from all the stuff that we... It's almost like they have their own system of faults and it's got the connection to... anything in the Ring of Fire, which is the earthquake zone that surrounds the Pacific Ocean. Yeah, that's where everyone's gonna die. That's where everyone's gonna die, in the Ring of Fire. The Ring of Fire! It's where we all go down together. Well, not anytime soon, hopefully. Anyway, so I wanted to get that out of the way. We also have another thing going on with Sandberg. Yeah, this story just keeps getting worse for Facebook.

1:33:59 And they're targeting her, I think again, I'm gonna just, this is my version of conspiracy. Once the media got a clue that Facebook is their enemy and they shouldn't be saying, hey, like us on Facebook and pushing people over toward Facebook where they're getting most of their news from Facebook and a lot of people get their news from Twitter, they should be getting their news from the newspaper or from the news reports on television. It shouldn't be getting, from the perspective of somebody who works in that business, I would say, if I was in the TV business, I would think to myself, why am I promoting Facebook? We want to be providing the news. We don't want them to be providing the news and then taking our advertising money, $40 billion of it, which is nothing. So they've been going, I think they've decided to all in concert go after Facebook.

1:34:49 And it looks like now it's starting to look a little fishy. But this latest thing, and the one thing I think they're really wanting to do is getting rid of Sheryl Sandberg. She may well be so important to the company that she's got to go because she's... Well, as far as I'm concerned, I think she is the current version of the company when it comes to the money-making side of the house. She, it was her strategy, she implemented it, she brought in, you know, the connection with the credit card information, the data brokers brought them in. She really created the business model of lean in. Lean in and look down your blouses, what she did. Lean in. Yeah. Pay attention to these. So I think

1:35:40 They want—they're really going after her. But if any of this is true, she is a really a terrible person, but a hard-ass businesswoman. And this is an example. The New York Times is reporting Facebook chief operating officer Sheryl Sandberg requested research on billionaire liberal donor George Soros after he made public remarks critical of Facebook in January, in which he said the company was a menace to society. Suros is an investor in Facebook. The company says the research into Suros was already underway at the time of Sandberg's request. Earlier this month, The Times revealed Facebook hired conservative opposition research firm Definer's Public Affairs to investigate and discredit critics of the social networking site, including by linking some critics to Suros. Yeah, see, I think there's something else going on here. This is a Jew thing.

1:36:35 Just no other way to describe it. This is why Zuckerberg is under fire, Sandberg's under fire, because we just went through this whole thing with the conspiracy theorists to explain that they're all anti-Semites and Jew haters because they're going after Soros. There's entire countries, I'm looking at you Hungry, entire countries that hate the Jews, hate George Soros, and then you can't sell it to yourself that Jews running Facebook have done this same thing. So I think it's above and beyond the business dealings, it's personal. Well, what you're suggesting is the Jew-hating meme doesn't work if it's Jews. Correct. Yeah.

1:37:24 So you've got to get rid of the Jews at Facebook to make the meme work to get rid of Facebook. Facebook is a threat. It's a menace. I love that quote. It's a menace to democracy. I think it is. It's not the only thing that's a menace to democracy, but yeah, it's definitely the frontrunner, or was the frontrunner. For sure. Well, I think this is getting really deep. They've been trying to blame this on, I think her deputy or someone is trying to take the fall or jumping on the grenade for everybody. But I don't think the media is having any bit of it. We need better reports. We need more in-depth. It's funny, but you know, this also reflects your old thesis. And I've never been against this thesis.

1:38:16 of if the media builds you up to the same people that bring you down and they build her up with that book and oh she's great she's on all the talk shows and she was like 60 minutes. They built her up to be a superstar. So the theory I have Yes, I'll reiterate the theory that I have which I've witnessed myself is whenever you use the media for your own personal gain or for promotion or something that you want to accomplish When it's time and you don't know when it's gonna happen and something will take place and it always comes back with equal force Sometimes it may feel even stronger to you and this happens to everyone who uses the media for promotion everyone and in little in little

1:39:05 increments that happens to people on Facebook the same way you know I got all these likes of these likes never one loves me is fantastic you do one little thing wrong you get hammered down into depression you want to go kill yourself this is just the nature of media and I think that's exactly what we're seeing with Neil deGrasse Tyson. Segway! Hey now! Finally did one! And this is where you take over. Well, Neil deGrasse Tyson, yeah. I don't know if I have any clips on this. I should. Do I? I thought you had a clip. But Neil deGrasse Tyson cracks me up because now all of a sudden he's a rapist. But didn't we know this? Wasn't this story about him at UT in the 80s? Wasn't this well known? This is not a new story. I mean, I'm pretty sure we've talked about this.

1:40:02 Well if you look at old pictures of him where he looks like, you know, Superfly. That's at UT. He does look like Superfly. He actually kind of looks cool. He looks like he could fit right in with the Mod Squad. You know, he's got kind of that Link haircut. Yeah, Mod Squad-ish. Yeah, yeah, yeah. He'd look very cool. But there's, but I guess that apparently two or three women have accused him of harassment and one accused him of rape. And so now they're everyone's, apparently these are not new accusations. They've just been swept under the rug because these, you know, National Geographic and one of the networks, you know, the big, yeah, hold on a second. It's Fox. I think it was, it was oddly it was Fox and National, does Fox own National Geographic?

1:40:51 No, they don't. I don't think it was Fox. Was it Fox? Yeah, that was this. Let me see. I have the story here and I thought that was odd too. Why was Fox looking into it? I think Fox ran his show, the clone of the old Carl Sagan show. I think Fox, that was the network for that. Let me see. I have the report. You never see him on Fox News. No, no, absolutely not. I'm trying to... I'm sure I read that somewhere. Let me just see. No, well maybe not in this report. I read it somewhere that it was also Fox News. Well, Fox. Oh, yeah, Fox Stations. Okay, that makes sense. Yeah, Fox is not Fox. But then I guess the other accusation is that, and this comes from 2009, that

1:41:46 Dr. Caitlin Allers, associate professor of physics and astronomy at Bucknell University said she was quote felt up by Tyson at an after-party following a meeting of the American Astronomical Society and then actually some photos of her and him you know he's looking at her tattoo and apparently she he you know moved his fingers up the tattoo or so I don't know But someone's out to get him for sure. It's sketchy, you know? I mean the rape allegation, I think that's been out for a long time. And I don't know, it's just someone's out to get him. But who and why is unclear to me. But I'm always thinking if they're going to the National Geographic channel level and Fox station level, does this have to do with an acquisition? Is there some other business dealing that could be in trouble?

1:42:39 Here it is in exchange for here in exchange for seven hundred and twenty five million dollars the National Geographic Society passed the troubled magazine and its book map and other media assets to a partnership headed by 21st Century Fox the Murdoch controlled company that owns the 20th Century Fox movie studio the Fox television network and Fox News channels Thank You digi guru and That would make sense since this is all in play. Maybe it's to knock the price down a bit. Is the Disney deal all done? Is there still something that has to happen? This has something to do with devaluing the asset to some degree. That's what it feels like to me. Yeah, well, that's what you want to do. Yeah. Well, it's working, I think.

1:43:20 The story's catching. Well, it doesn't help that guy out, but I mean, no, who cares? Is he a douchebag or not? That's the question. No, I think it's can we lower the price of the of the acquisition? That's that's the question going on here. Please, please. Degrasse Tyson's unimportant in this. Maybe. He wouldn't say that though. So the Miami Herald's reporting on the Jeffrey Epstein story continues. It's a multi-parter. I didn't realize they keep publishing. Keep publishing new video of these girls. Seems like they're going after Bill Clinton more than anything. Yeah, so at first I thought this is clearly going to go after, who's the guy Acosta who works at

1:44:05 What is he working the Trump Acosta? Yeah. Yes, the sports guy. He works at the he's in the Trump administration. He's in some forget which which department he's in and he's the guy that you know, basically helped Epstein, you know, get this really reduced sentence. But then they pull in and this was the best. Alan Dershowitz, who's in the filings of whatever lawsuits are coming out or whatever expose is taking place before our eyes. One of these girls claimed she had sex with Alan Dershowitz six times either on Lolita Express or on the island. Dude.

1:44:46 I mean, yeah. That's Mr. Dershowitz you're having sex with. Oh, really? That's been, unless you went to do, I'm number five. Health and Human Services. That's a costume. He must really like me. Yeah, but that's sick, man. I mean, Alan Dershowitz. So this guy and then Bill Clinton, but Trump was also on the plane. He's in the laws. Yeah, but Trump was on the plane once. There's no evidence he ever hung out at the island like Clinton did. True. And also, but what's interesting is that there's no mention of Trump in this expose at all, ever, anywhere. And it's so easy to at least bring him in. I think it would discredit the report. Yeah, so it's real reporting is what you're saying. Yes, which is weird, but true. Well, this has to be a hit. I would have to say then if Dershowitz, who like

1:45:38 It's to me, why do I care what, who Dershowitz, what he's up to in his spare time? It has to be a hit piece. I think ever since Dershowitz turned into a Trump apologist. That's where the hit piece comes in. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I think that they're saying, okay, well, Alan, we've been counting on you to be just a progressive because he's always been a progressive, like hyper liberal progressive with really strong legal reasons for taking his positions. Now he's doing the same thing, but he's on Trump's side.

1:46:14 No, no, no, this isn't gonna fly. Let's get it. You know what? He seems like the obvious one. Absolutely. He also defended Epstein in the initial 2008 trial, I think it is, and helped get him the fantastic deal of Was it possible that all he was is a lawyer going back and forth with Epstein never took part with anything and they just found one girl who'd say anything and there are of course of course, but either way then it's the six times thing is the thing against me is I was really you got a notch on your belt to six times or Dershowitz. I don't even think these girls not to demean them, but I don't think any of them knows who the hell Dershowitz is.

1:47:00 Let alone keep in count. Right. Come on, just 14, 13, 14, 15 year old, you know, in some. Well, but they're also these accounts are coming 10 years later. So now, now that is when the 10 years later. Yeah, they're talking about it now. So this is a I don't believe I'm just not buying it. I just think that you can't remember from 10 years ago and then remember the exact number of times or even remember anything because you're probably in a drug stupor. Well, did you remember you had sex with Ellen Dershowitz six times ten years ago when you were a drugged stupid? With anybody John why are you why are you really going hard and heavy on this? I got it. Well, I'm going her because I just think this is a setup to get Dershowitz's doesn't make Yeah, that's I agree. I don't care what? Break it down a little bit

1:47:55 Know it's just like wow okay. Oh, I know I was never invited to the island good That was gonna be my that was gonna be my next question. Thank goodness Well while we're on the promotion or demotion of public figures we have very poor showing at the Bill and Hillary show as they are going around the nation on there's there I think it's 13 city tour and the first stop They had, what was it, like a 15,000 seater and they only had three and a half thousand people in the arena, which is just never good no matter what kind of show it is. But NPR had an interesting piece that this tour, the Bill and Hillary tour, as well as Michelle Obama's tour, are being organized by the same outfit. Can you wager a guess as to who is managing these tours?

1:48:55 One of the worldwide wrestling, that's one of the big tour organizers. Close, close, close. One of those types of guys, one of those big entertainment companies. It's Live Nation, the guys who do the- Yeah, Live Nation, that's the one I was going to guess. Yeah, well, but that's a big change. This used to be done by, you know, very, I think Trump still organizes his own. But you know this is typically done by book agents or you know but to have Live agent not live nation to have them do it nations a huge operation join president number one Concert promoters in the country. Yes, I mean if you want Jay-z and you want to What's her name Beyonce Beyonce? Thank you Rihanna

1:49:42 Join President Bill Clinton and they got all the cool commercials too and former Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton in an up-close and personal live event. It's a one-of-a-kind conversation discussing the important moments in modern history. How they shaped our world today. John can you speak that low? No, I can't. Maybe early in the morning, maybe. So give us some more details about the Clinton events. It sounds by that voice like they'd be very expensive. They can be very expensive. It's a 13-city tour, mostly in friendly territory. Live Nation says it's onstage conversations with the two sharing stories and inspiring anecdotes. For $59 to as high as $2,000, you can participate.

1:50:23 So that's even more than Taylor Swift. It can be, yeah. The VIP packages are pretty expensive. The VIP packages are off the hook. Merch? There's not merchandise for the Clintons. They're not out there selling a book or a charity. Yeah, but wait for it. There's a kicker to this. So they got no merch. They're selling themselves, basically. I mean, Bill Clinton had that book with James Patterson, but that's kind of old news. You know, what they're doing is promoting themselves. To greater or lesser degree that they haven't been selling out the the venues, but they've been getting reasonable crowds Michelle Obama is a total rock star. She's on a ten-city tour that That is taking her all over the country and she's got she's got all kinds of

1:51:08 of sponsorships, she's got merchandise, she's got a find your flame and keep it lit candle for $35. I mean, this is basically a celebrity entertainment tour as much as it is a book tour. Is the money generated any of it going to charity or is it all going to Live Nation and the speakers? The Live Nation says 10% of ticket sales are going to community groups in the cities that Michelle Obama is appearing in. They're also giving tickets out to those groups, some free tickets out to those groups so that those people can experience the evening as well. So why is this happening? How does it benefit Michelle Obama and the Clintons to have Live Nation promoting the tour? Because it costs them money to pay Live Nation, obviously. Live Nation gets part of the revenue, but they are looking at themselves as

1:51:57 able to sell out big venues. And if you go into a big venue, you need somebody who can handle the logistics of that. And Live Nation is the one that does that kind of promotion. How about Michelle with the merch? Was it the Keep It Lit candle? Yeah, 35 bucks. Fantastic. She's got sponsors. She's doing it right, man. That's perfect. Setting a precedent. Yeah, well, those other two slackers, they don't know what's going on. They're over the hill. You know, nobody wants to see Bill in this condition he is. He looks like he's half dead. And Hillary's coughing again. Hillary's coughing and she's got the same... she's blaming Trump for everything. She's not funny. If they had Kara Swisher as part of it, maybe that would help. Yeah, well that... yeah. But she does all that stuff for free. That's her mistake right there. What do you... yeah, duh. You think? Yeah, yeah. But I love that Michelle Obama is just completely nailing it.

1:52:57 I wonder what... Well, I'm gonna give you a clip of the day because I didn't know that any of this was going on like that. Thank you. All I knew is that they weren't selling out the venues at the Clinton thing. I didn't know anything about Michelle and Live Nation. That's very interesting. Isn't that cool? I got a note from Sean C. in Las Vegas. Adam and John, the story you discussed about parents who are upset that they cannot join their kids at school lunch reminded me of a personal experience with this at my daughter's elementary school a few years ago. You and I both had not heard that this was a thing, John, that apparently today's helicopter and bulldozer parents go to the lunchroom where their kids are, which quite rightly you remarked both you and I would have found

1:53:44 Extremely embarrassing as kids and today that just seems to be normal. It's a little worse than we even realize No, that's Sean says yes My daughter won some contest in her class where a parent could join her for lunch at her school My thoughts were along the lines of JCDs where I would have been mortified as a child to have one of my parents show up but my daughter really wanted me to come to school for lunch so I did and When I got to the school, I saw three to four other parents in the lunchroom and asked my daughter if they won the same contest. My daughter said, no, no, no, they're here almost every day for lunch. In one part of the lunchroom, there were two parents with two giant pizzas handing out slices to some kids. I asked my daughter if that was normal. She said, yeah, their parents show up once a week and bring pizza for him and his friends. I asked him and his friends. My daughter said, yeah, if you're nice to him, he might invite you over to have pizza when his parents come in for lunch.

1:54:36 This just totally blew my mind that this was happening and that the school allowed it. My daughter is now in middle school and thankfully this school doesn't allow any parents in the lunchroom so instead some parents started bringing special lunches from the fast food places and even some fancy places and dropping them off at the school's front office at lunchtime to have them delivered to their kids. The special lunch drop-offs got so bad last year, the principal finally sent home a letter saying that they will no longer accept non-medical necessary items being dropped off at the front office. The letter stated that in the previous year, parents had dropped off 3,600 non-necessary items and lunches at the front office to be delivered to their kids. Whoa! This kind of shows it, doesn't it? Well, I think what's interesting is that

1:55:31 I thought the helicopter parent phenomenon was from like a couple of decades ago. And this is worse. It's much worse. And I think it's born out of some guilt or something, and it's clearly my generation. A little bit younger. People are now 35, 40. Yeah, I would say, well, no, we're a little younger. Probably a little. It would be nice to have, in fact, a letter writer. We should ask him what his age is because he will be in the, right in the middle of that group. Okay, Sean C. will let us know. But isn't that concerning? I mean, this kind of shows you what's wrong.

1:56:08 What happened to four cents for milk and a peanut butter and jelly sandwich here see you after school? I don't know about the peanut butter and jelly. We used to have pretty good lunches when I was a kid. No, I'm talking about the lunch my mom would make. Oh, oh yeah, we also yeah sometimes they make a little sandwich. Yeah, because you know I didn't get a school lunch. I got four cents for milk. Poor kid. I was just thinking about that. I'm like, damn. I was deprived of school lunches. You're getting pieces of pizza. Yeah. All this good stuff you're missing. Yeah. So there's this story going around, and this is a Texas story. All right. This is a Texas story about, there's a couple of things going on. I got three clips that relate to this. This is the Texas story about the kid, James, who

1:57:10 whose mom insisted he become a girl and and he calls him Luna and he acts like a girl and dresses like a girl around her they got divorced the parents got divorced for obvious reasons the boy is James with the dad and Luna with the mom who insists that he'd be and and she's suing for custody and the state of Texas is kind of siding with her And it's possible that the guy's going to lose the kid to the mom. And where in Texas is this? Do you know where in Texas? I don't have the back. I'll look it up while you play the clip. But this is a play the gender dysphoria Luna and James. This is a psychologist or a person who's the head of the American Pediatrics and she's discussing the details.

1:57:58 in trying to explain what might be going on. James's case does not really fit that definition. A young child who has gender dysphoria persistently and consistently will insist they are not their biological sex. But in this case, James is quite happy being a boy with his father, and

1:58:34 seems to behave and act like a girl with his mother. So there's some red flags there. How does this differ from children this age simply being curious about gender? There's some overlap. But generally, a child with true gender dysphoria is so upset, so emotionally upset by their biological sex that they will reach the point where they insist It's not who they are. So where is the child who's just experimenting? They may try out different sex stereotyped playing or or Cross-dressing things like this, but it's it's not a persistent or consistent Habit, what do you think will be the best thing for James in this situation the ideal? approach here should be with a therapist who

1:59:33 will objectively look at James and the very difficult situation they're in. This is a divorce situation. And basically assess what's different about when James is with mom and with James is with dad. There are cases now, I don't, obviously I don't know these parents personally, but there is definitely the case in which some mothers in particular can experience gender mourning. Moms who so desperately wanted a girl but never gave birth to a daughter can enter a deep depression.

2:00:17 And that depression is only lifted when one of their sons acts in an effeminate way or allows the mom to dress them as a girl. So there are cases like this in the literature. Wow, this is all wrong psychosis. This is a very interesting case. Apparently, the dad's living in Carrollton and the mom moved to Dallas. So it's right in the middle of Texas proper. Meanwhile, another secondary thing that's going on, I'm going to skip to this, this is the trend of some parents

2:01:00 to allow the, not to call their kids boy or girl or let anybody know about it even after they're born and they're referred to as they-bees. Yeah, I think we talked about this, the they-bees, but we didn't have a clip. Yeah, well this is the, right, this was on Tucker Carlson. I hate to play this clip, but I want to play it then I can get back to that pediatrician after this clip plays. This is Tucker, of course, he just makes light of this whole thing, thinks it's idiotic, play the theybes clip. starting to become an unfunny bit. I definitely knows the gender. It's about not necessarily labeling the baby. It's about allowing the baby to decide what gender that baby wants to be when that baby can decide, which is around four years old. So from zero to four, the baby will not be labeled. The labeling theory will not apply from zero to four years old. The baby will be a baby, neither a boy nor a girl, whatever gender that baby is choosing. What other

2:02:16 What other profound life decisions do we think people ought to be making at the age of four? Are there any others? Whether to get a tattoo, whether to get married, enlisting in the military, voting, drinking vodka, smoking Marlboro Reds. Is there anything else that we think four-year-olds are ready to decide? This isn't actually a profound life decision. I mean, biologically, there's nothing really going on from zero to four in that area that affects a person's life. Biologically, the experts say that boys and girls, all genders are alike. The boy's brain, the male brain might be a little larger. The female's language might be a little bit more advanced. But John, isn't that the liberal Sherpa girl who does that? Because I find that to be a very disingenuous bit they do. But the point is made.

2:03:11 The point is about the theybes. Now the thing that gets me about this is the term theybe. Now why do I find that peculiar? Because this reminds me of that story I've told on the show over and over again about the liberal copy editors at PC World Magazine who didn't like a person using the word representative and preferred they use the word spokesperson. because, and the rationale was spokesperson is not a sexist. And representative is? He said, well, wait a minute. Representative isn't sexist. He's got no, nothing is no indication of anything. It's just representative. And she said to him, oh yes, that's true. But we want to make it clear that people note

2:04:06 that the spokesperson just makes it clear that we're not sexist. Representative just doesn't mean anything. Oh, I see. So it's actual, you need to virtue signal in everything you say to not only have a politically correct word, but to make sure everybody knows you're politically correct. Exactly. That's exactly right. And it is virtue signaling. And that's what babies is. Because what is a baby? It could be anything, a boy, girl. Mermafrodite for all you know, it's a baby. Why do you have to use the word baby? Your point being you could just say baby. Yeah Yes, yes. No, I totally agree with you. And you know when you think about it just in simple terms like that. Yeah, it makes sense Why don't you just call it a baby which is what it's been called for a while now, but to virtue signal. Yeah, that's it It's kind of sick

2:04:59 That's totally sick. Now here is the woman from the pediatrics asking about this situation, about this gender bending, pre-adolescent gender bending. This is gender truth commentary. What are your thoughts on allowing children to choose their gender? It's outrageous. Look, we Our sex is determined at conception by our genetics, by our DNA. When children are born, we as physicians recognize the sex that they are by their physical bodies. And that's what children need to be taught.

2:05:40 You know, some people, most of us, use sex and gender interchangeably. Unfortunately, we're now in a culture that is heavily dominated by transgender activists who are teaching children as young as preschool that sex and gender are two different things and that they can be at odds with one another. So as parents and Honest physicians, we have to teach our kids the truth. People have a biological sex, determined at conception, and that never changes. It's with you for your whole life. Dr. Michelle Cortello with the American College of Pediatricians, thank you so much for your insight.

2:06:23 Yeah, this is a real problem and it's going to... I blame Facebook by the way. I blame the internet in general but I think Facebook creates these groups where people get into this circular just thing and just keep going around and around and around and that's where the virtue signaling takes place and it's all happening because of the internet somehow. I think you're absolutely correct. The internet is ruining us. Yes. That's the real menace to democracy, not Facebook. Yes, it is the internet in general because we as humanoids, some reptile, we still have tailbones. We have no idea how to handle what people actually are. We're just learning now what people are, how they interact with one another, and how incredibly easy it is to manipulate people and get them on your side for anything.

2:07:17 And I think that I have, although I am right on the cusp of being a part of the problem, I think I definitely screwed up with my kid in some areas, which is totally relatable to my generation. I think because I didn't go to college, I didn't get the programming. I lucked out. Well, I got the programming because I went to University of California at Berkeley. Yeah, but it was early. It was early days. You know, this is pre-internet. You didn't get the internet programming. I'm not convinced of that. Okay, well... Maybe it was experimental period. I'm not sure. You seem to be doing okay though. Well, I snapped out of it. I was the unreconstructed hippie is the guy who didn't snap out of it. Most of the guys who went to these

2:08:04 Well, actually most of them, my generation has a lot of people. I'm like, every time I run into people from my high school class and others and people that went to the colleges during my era, I find it very interesting. You're gonna find this weird. I'm the optimistic one. They're so negative. They're depressed and negative, yep. The negativity of this group, all baby boomers, Is it's like it takes me back or go? Oh my god. I hope I don't sound like this Well, you know they do call you the cranky geek and the buzzkill Yeah, and I compare myself to the true models of this and I don't even hold a candle to these people Wow, this is like your lib joes too. I guess they also have the same depressed feeling and they're negative and I think so. Yeah Okay, so well

2:09:04 I know that the programming I got was pre-internet, but it was definitely, um, you know, different. What would have been that Amsterdam programming? Totally the Amsterdam programming. Absolutely. Yeah, look at him now. Yeah, I got out in time. I'm actually just a lucky sumbitch, aren't I? You are. I'm just really lucky. I'm gonna show my school by donating to No Agenda. Imagine all the people who could do that. Oh yeah, that'd be fab. Let me read this first one. The story of Adam and John will continue in the future. Sir P Funk is the top of the list and 150 bucks. Let me just address Sir P Funk. And this is weird. It says P Funk. I know it does. Yes, last night at the memorial, Angie's celebration of life, there was the No Agenda listener. Brian, his first name was Brian. I can say that.

2:10:02 And maybe I misunderstood, but what I thought is he told me that he had been hit in the mouth by Sir P Funk, and Sir P Funk always gets a kick out of the fact that we say Puh Funk, which is apparently incorrect. It's Sir P Funk. And that Sir P Funk is also the person who clipped the Orange Man Bad jingle. And he would love getting a credit for it. And I'm like, oh sure, that's no problem. I'll do that tomorrow. That's really nice. But now Sir P Funk donates and says, hey Adam, thanks for aiming to Chicago and hanging out with me. So did I misunderstand it? Was he Sir P Funk? Does he have a split personality? Is it two guys?

2:10:48 Well, you say what is his name? Brian. Here's the note from P Funk. Please use my knighted name, Sir Puff Funk, and not say my real name, and it's not Brian. Wow. So maybe Sir P Funk was there too, and only I didn't know it. In fact, his name is, the letters are the same as P Funk or Puff Funk. Well, so that's really strange. Yeah, so I'm confused. Well, anyway, I want to say in the morning to Brian and also in the morning to sir P Funk or Apparently hang fun hanging hanging out with me, but it's P Funk Puff funk puff funk is the right said I got it written down here I know but I was told last night that this is it's P Funk not I think we're dealing with two different people

2:11:40 Mmm, he's look in it in puffunks note says thanks for aiming to Chicago hanging out with me I'd had such a good time John What can I say to the light of my life other than keep trolling Adam? Maybe it's true. I don't know. But anyway, thank you and nice to meet you whoever you were Ron Woodbury comes in second with 125 dollars from st. George, Utah He also has a minute. Oh, no, he's he's Is he gonna be a... Oh, no, he thinks he should be qualified as a producer because he put in a bunch of money that didn't add up. We'll put you on the associate executive producer list. Okay, because he says he got in with a 33-33... A few minutes ago and then a 50... Yeah, we'll take your word for it. Can we take his word for it? Rod goes up to associate executive producer. Thank you for your courage. Ron.

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2:13:38 Although he's not in Nebraska anymore. I think that's what he meant. Jonathan Dennison, Blaine Washington 100. Baron Lattican in Houston, Texas 100. David Wynn 8008. My third boob donation, please de-douche me. You've got it. You've been de-douched. You know, you could have asked the first time. Doug Murray in Missoula, maybe he's already asked Missoula, Montana 7777 Sir got Nate and Sebastopol California 6969 Kim Muir mu HR 6611 he's also gonna be night today. Yes. Yeah. What we don't have What we don't have is a an email

2:14:30 It's me or M-U-R-I. Yeah, I looked for that, but I don't have an email from Kim. Do you have it? I'm looking. Because when you become an A-B-I-L-L... I got Dan. You got a bill? Oh, from Bill, okay. Not A-B-I-L-L. Got it. Yeah, it's very strange. It says C-E-M-A-I-L and I looked through my email. I couldn't find it. Let me take another look. No. Eric couldn't find it? It's Kim dot okay. Let me just see if that works. Let me try one more. Yeah, I just tried that I didn't get it either with that Sometimes the dot you know these things yeah, I had my squirrel male jingle with me I'd play it, but I don't know it's not on the mobile rig and give you some time I can hold it one last shot at this with the nope oh

2:15:24 Nothing. No. Okay. Something got blocked by your buddies there at the, uh, at your Gmail operation. Yeah, so we also don't know what, uh, what Kim's... It's gonna be Sir. Sir Kim. You don't even know if it's a girl or a boy. This is an ambiguous name. It's Kim. It's probably one of those modern kids. I think it's a guy. I'm hoping it's a guy. Because I'm gonna do it as a knight. Okay, Jonathan Gibbons, St. Petersburg, Florida, $60 even. Robert Bruckner, don't do that. Robert Bruckner, 55.55. Von Glitchka, 55.55 with a big thank you. Sir Tom Dari in DeForest, Wisconsin, 55.10. And the following people are $50 donors, name and location starting with Stephanie Sprague.

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2:17:05 Subscriptions your 33s and your 1111's your 1212's and I actually got a nice note from producer Robert and we Becomes interesting to me how we see nights and dames or just producers in general trying to hit their spouse in the mouth and get them to listen to the show and this one stuck out greetings gents I finally hit my wife in the proverbial mouth during a long holiday road trip at the end of the podcast my wife said I Wow, it's all become very clear now Now, Robert, of course, thinking that your words enlightened her, that would be us, to the manipulation and general bullcrap of the world, inquired as to what she found most interesting. And here's what she said. Well, I received a call this week from the boy's elementary school principal. He had concerns about the boys running around the playground de-douching and knighting kids who gave them dollars to do so on the playground. Do you think that's true? What?

2:18:07 Do you think that's true? So they were de-douching and knighting kids who gave them their milk money apparently. Hopefully this is just a joke. I think the wife has got a creative idea there, but it's not there's no way this is going on in any school. I need to know for sure. This is fantastic. You've been de-douched! Yes, thank you all. You've been de-douched. Now give me your milk money, dammit! Dvorak.org slash N A Jobs, jobs, jobs and jobs. Let's vote for jobs.

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2:21:11 It's going to fail bigly, I mean, because it's not going to work. It's not going to work. No, people don't want to subscribe to anything. I mean, we have our subscribers. It's a voluntary system, which is really sustaining donations, not a true subscription. Right. It's a sustaining donations. And there's a we have a moderate number. And I would say moderate is not a lot. We do have a lot of $5 and 33.33 sustaining donations. But it's not enough to, you know, if it wasn't for the big donors and all the random donations, we really would not be enough to sustain the show. I'm not dissuading anybody because I think it's a good baseline that you can add onto, but it's not. And I see these other people try it. You can, you know, we'll just keep doing this show if you give us a $1 a month is all we ask.

2:22:00 We already saw that that doesn't work started doing this show. We had some low we had $2 a month I think was our you know, I think yeah, it was it was obvious. It wasn't gonna work You know what's interesting we're talking about the internet and how we get cancelled automatically that kind of thing We're taking what has happened is people have taken their old world thinking pre-internet and have just kind of you know Transpose that onto the internet world and the thinking that people would actually what happened And the people, the thinking that people would give you money, random amount based upon what they value your product at is seen as nut job. Are you crazy? What a head shaker, these morons. But little did we know that once you do that, the guy that you were previously, or gal, were previously asking for $1 to chip in, you say, what was it worth? Say, well, it was worth $5. Oh, I didn't know that. And people really want to do it.

2:22:56 It's a sustaining model for the future. Now, does it keep you on your toes because you and I don't have a regular income? Of course it does. Every single time I sit down to prep and do this show, I'm thinking about, I got to do the best thing I can do. I have nothing else to go on. I have to do the best because I can't get fired by any organization. People just stop sending money if they find no value in the product. It's real simple. But for some reason, people can't get over that hump of seeing that it Human beings are not just drone drone money payers, you know, no little piggy banks You can you can you'd be surprised what people want and what they will do

2:23:37 Well, you can't use the old models and the old models before the internet, which is what the newspapers had nothing but struggled with, is you can't, with a newspaper or a magazine, when I was writing for PC Magazine, they'd have 500, 600 page issues that were loaded with advertising because the whole thing was like a world in itself. And those ads were selling for 20, 30, 40, $50,000. And they were making millions and millions of dollars a year, which was great because you get to travel a lot and there's a lot of things you could do with that money to make the magazine better. But when you then go to online,

2:24:21 It's not a little world anymore, it's a page, one lone page and maybe you go to another page if something interests you, but you're not opening a magazine and you're not going through it. The whole thing is so different. You can't make that kind of money. No. Well, that's also the realization is that, you know, the idea of, hey, I'm a radio guy doing a podcast, I'll make a million dollars a year. That's just not gonna happen. But, turns out, I can pay rent, I can eat, You know, and so I think we get exactly what we deserve and it's okay. That's the postmodern media model, if you don't mind me patting ourselves on the back for it. It's all right. We've done well enough to keep doing it.

2:25:10 I have a, I want to go back to, there's this clip here that I thought we played, but this is Janice Atkinson clip is the one you played. I have another, just, I hate to revisit, but I'm going to revisit this. This is, because I don't know what's on this clip. It's probably the same clip. It's probably the same clip. No, no, the Janice Atkinson, no, because I have the Janice Atkinson clip. Oh, okay. This oddball speech about migration compact 2025 is, is the, uh, is different. Let's see what it is. Okay. Listen, Vauquet, the EU and across the developed world. No, it's the same clip. Nevermind. I'm noticing the time is exactly the same. So I clipped it twice. And you just named it differently. Yeah, it was, that was bad. Okay. Now. Well, yes.

2:25:55 I do have an oddball report on something. This is a Democracy Now! story. It's one of those baffling stories. You say, why is this a story? I never heard of these companies. I don't know anything about it. Is this something, is this virtue signaling or is this some code? I don't know what it is. But this is the oddball report on Mike Digital. The digital news publisher Mike has laid off most of its staff after being acquired by Bustle Digital Group, the company which positioned itself as a video driven media outlet for millennials, had been steadily losing viewers over the past year. The company employed around 100 people. All right. What did they what did they publish? Tell me about Mike. M-I-C.

2:26:34 I don't know, is this a publication issue? I never heard of it either. And why is this a news story? I don't know. Huh. Other than we're doing fine over here at Democracy Now! I mean what else could it be? I have no idea. I find it to be the scurriest story they've ever, or that they've done probably in the last few months. Just a non-story, it's a bubble media, somebody bought them out, I've never heard of them either. And then they fired everybody. I mean, there's lots of little companies that are in this, you know, that are trying to make a living. Right. But the first thing I thought was, oh, neener, neener. Look, this millennial stuff ain't working. We're still good with our geriatric ads. That's the first thing that came to my mind for democracy now, at least. Well, they don't have, as far as I can tell, any advertising. What? They don't have sponsorship? Not that I know of. Isn't it on PBS? I've never seen an ad ever. I think they try. It doesn't air on PBS?

2:27:32 It airs on PBS and free speech TV. Yeah, but on PBS they have ads. I don't know what Democracy Now, yeah, they do have, but that's just for the network. I don't know if they individual, I don't know. I demand an investigation. At the end they have a huge list of donors. They never thank. I demand an investigation into this. They just do credit roll for the donors. I want to know who Mike is. And I want to know I want to know exactly I'm glad I'm Mike Dodd. I want to get right now on the bottom of this Hello climate gate Yes, is that time again ladies and gentlemen for the eighth year running? Al Gore will once again try to save us in the upcoming days December 3rd through 4th will be the

2:28:19 24 hours of reality and this will be about the reality of climate change, how we're all going to die. This is, well I have a little intro from NPR. Al Gore was kind enough to drop by and to tell us, and when I say tell I mean tell us because what have we learned? When he chuckles, that's his tell. Next week, former Vice President Al Gore's climate reality project will broadcast a 24-hour streaming video special calling attention to the public health impacts of climate change around the world. In the decades since Gore started sounding the alarm about man-made global warming, global greenhouse gas emissions have continued to grow despite warnings from reports like last week's National Climate Assessment.

2:29:05 Well, Al Gore joins us now from New York. Vice President Gore, thanks for joining us. Welcome to Here and Now. Well, thank you very much, Jeremy. It's my pleasure. So this is going to be the eighth annual 24 Hours of Reality broadcast. Do you feel like as a planet we've made a lot of progress since you started doing this eight years ago or are we basically in the same position or worse? Well, we have made a lot of progress. One has to add, unfortunately, that the climate crisis is still worsening at a faster rate than our progress in developing states. We love the tell. So what was the lie here, that it's going at a faster rate? Is that the lie that he just told according to his tells?

2:29:47 Well, we have made a lot of progress. One has to add, unfortunately, that the climate crisis is still worsening at a faster rate than our progress in developing solutions. But we're gaining momentum and as the late economist, Rudy Dornbusch, once said, things take longer to happen than you think they will and then they happen faster than you thought they could. And we're seeing exponential change now in renewable electricity generation, electric vehicles. And what we really need is our changes in policy to accelerate these positive developments that have begun.

2:30:31 Right, so it's all about policy to accelerate everything positive that has been done, which is pretty much solar and wind power. And I think if we are going to watch this 24 hours of reality, and I will definitely check in, it will probably be a lot like this second segment. So then how big of a problem is it that the President of the United States says that he is not a believer in man-made global warming. Although I think Volkswagen did just fine enough on those. Thank you very much. The study of particulate pollution, which is a deadly health threat connected to the pollution that is generated along with global warming pollution. Okay, hold on a second.

2:31:31 Particulate pollution, global warming pollution. These are terms that are... I don't know if we've heard them exactly like this, but certainly not all in a row from Al Gore. Remember that the basic premise is too much CO2, carbon dioxide. Now we have particulate pollution and global warming pollution. John, help me out. Sorry in power plant island. It's this is really egregious what he's doing here. He's just just spooning up all kinds of terms and the auto mileage improvements and eliminates the the study of particulate pollution which is a deadly health threat connected to the pollution that is generated along with global warming pollution and

2:32:23 And it's a problem when he says to the rest of the world he wants the U.S. to pull out of the Paris agreement. But there is another dynamic underway. Donald J. Trump is now the face of climate denial. His is the voice of climate denial. And for the minority in the country that still invest their hopes and faith and trust in Donald Trump, they're not likely to be a part of the solution to the climate crisis for some time yet anyway. But for the two-thirds and more who are signaling that they have had enough of Donald Trump, I think it is making it easier for people who associate him with the nonsensical views that he articulates

2:33:18 To re-examine the facts and to say, as some conservative columnists have done recently, whoa, wait a minute. We've taken another look at this climate crisis and it's an existential threat. We've got to do something about it. I'm hopeful that the Trump years will be over sooner rather than later, at the very least that he will not have a second term and that the groundwork will have been laid for a dramatic improvement in our policies to accelerate progress. No way to go Al, well done. So I like this, I like the idea that because

2:33:57 He certainly has convinced most of the world, certainly also conservative journalists, that Trump is nuts, that they're now re-looking at the information. Yeah. Going back in to check it and see what's going on. And let's just wind it up with the third one. Well, before you go too far away from that, I do have my Australian climate change protests. Can I play the last gore clip and then we'll do it? No, you play it whenever you want. I just want to make sure you don't ignore it. Oh, well, shoot. Let's interrupt it right now. No, I'm saying that because you're about to end the show. No. I heard you, your button was moving, your hand was slow, I could hear it. Your hand was crawling towards the button that plays the theme. No, I have one more Al Gorklin. But we're gaining momentum and we're getting closer and closer to one of these political tipping points where public opinion changes significantly. We saw that in the civil rights movement earlier, the women's suffrage movement in recent years.

2:34:55 fight for gay and lesbian rights and when these This is fantastic. So he's equating this to these other Big fights we've had that we have an all have agreement on moral issues Are revealed to be a binary choice between what's right and what's wrong? Public opinion can shift pretty quickly and in this case Mother Nature is speaking up pretty powerfully with the tragic fires in California the ones earlier in November but all mother nature started the fires so earlier in the year hurricane Florence and the Carolinas hurricane I thought it was and it was explained to me many times it was started by a campfire

2:35:45 Campfire Road, what is it? It's climate change. That's the problem now pretty powerfully with the tragic fires in California Not only the ones earlier this is late in November, but also earlier in the year Hurricane Florence in the Carolinas, Hurricane Michael a year ago, Hurricane Harvey. The list of catastrophes that are clearly linked to climate and linked to climate in the minds of the public are persuading more people than any of us who are advocates for solving the climate crisis could hope to do. You know, I'm always

2:36:29 For one thing, I guess we have to revisit some of the climate gate stuff. stuff, you know, which really took it off the track right away when these guys are faking their numbers. Or revisit how computer simulations work and how they can't be trusted under any circumstances. We don't want to bring that up too much. Or any of these things that are kind of contrary, or the fact that there's like 30,000 scientists signed a note about this being questionable and should be thought about differently, or forcing certain networks like PBS to not take anybody on as an expert or that might have some other opinion or the guys who have testified before Congress and shown that one thing that you think is going on is not going on. Just ignore every one of those things and just listen to Al Gore, who's not a scientist by any means. And it's just to me, I think there's some sort of a test going on.

2:37:29 of intelligence? Gullibility. Yeah. If we can sell the public on this and so they go all in and they screw themselves by, you know, removing, I mean, that's like what's going on in France, shutting down those nuclear reactions. That is crazy. That's the craziest thing I've ever heard. Backbone of France. It's like, you know, okay. Did you hear, just to stray a little bit off topic, and I will play your Australian clip, the Germans apparently, I think I have a clip of it, yes, the German finance minister Olaf Scholz proposed that France give up its permanent seat on

2:38:12 on the Security Council at the United Nations. Absolutely, this is an absolutely scandalous idea for the French mission here at the United Nations. Although the French mission doesn't want to comment on the record, Gérard Arraud, the former UN ambassador, French ambassador to the UN and current a finds this a very touchy subject. They certainly would not want France to give up its veto-wielding seat, may I point out, on the Security Council. Can you believe that? I mean, is Germany looking for World War III by suggesting these kinds of things? Well, this is showing the true what's really going on with the EU, which is rebuilding the German Empire. The mistake they're making

2:39:19 and they even suggest this, is that with France on the, it was just about the Security Council, with France and Germany both on, I believe Germany's on it, both on the Security Council, which is a body, it's a very small body of only, you can look them up how many countries are on it. They right now have essentially two EU members on the Security Council and that gives them two votes instead of one. So why would they want to get rid of that second vote? I mean, it doesn't make any sense if you think about it logically, if the EU is what it purports to be. But if the EU is just a rebuilding of the German Empire as Germany is not Germany is not on the council. China, France, Russian Federation, United Kingdom, United States are the permanent members. And currently for the two year term of non permanent members, Bolivia, Cote d'Ivoire,

2:40:16 Equatorial Guinea, Ethiopia, Kazakhstan, Kuwait, the Netherlands, Peru, Poland, and Sweden. Well, that makes it even more interesting. Doesn't it now? So the E, besides the floating members like the Netherlands, you have France as the, really, the representative of the EU. Yeah, which is exactly what Germany is. Well, Germany is proposing that France give up their seat to the EU. Which means giving it up to Germany. Of course it does. It's interesting moves. A lot of stuff going on, including climate protests, climate change protests in Australia. In Australia, thousands of students walked out of class today to demand action on climate change and a nationwide student strike.

2:41:13 Our government needs to take more action on climate change so that our generation and our kids' generations and their kids can have a future that's sustainable and healthy and a planet that we haven't destroyed. Students of all ages are calling for their government to stop the construction of new coal mines and move towards 100% renewable energy by 2030. The protests come as eastern Australia is experiencing record-breaking wildfires with close to 200 separate fires identified this week. So here we are, I have the same situation. They somehow have been goaded into this. I don't know. I don't even have any comments to make anymore about the whole thing. You're going to break the back of the poor. This is an anti, you know, break the back of the poor by having these energy sources that are extremely expensive. Removed.

2:42:09 And it's just like, it's not affordable. I mean, it's affordable to anybody that's in the upper middle classes, sure, but the rest of the world just can't afford these. Wind power and solar is not a cheap mechanism. Ever. Yeah, you put some solar panels on your house in Arizona and you can probably beat out the local power lines, that's true. But those panels aren't cheap to begin with. Let's end on a high note, John. We'll end on a high note for this show and we'll take it home with a promotion for a rival. We're gonna a promotion for a new CNN series that we'll all be watching.

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