Hunger Stones

00:03 Adam Curry, John C. DeVorah And Thursday September 6th 2018 this is your award-winning Get Mo' Nation Media Assassination episode 1066 This Is No Agenda Handling the Hunter Stones and broadcasting live from the capital of the drone star state here in downtown Austin, Tejas. In the Cluedio, in the morning everybody! I'm Adam Curry And for Northern Silicon Valley where The Zephyr actually honked its horn today... ...I'm John C. Dvorak It's Crackpot & Buzzkill! Well you gotta think by now that the guys on The Zephyr know about you

00:39 And they've triangulated you by now, surely. Although by the way when we did the Sacramento meetup there was a one of the conductors was out in front of the station to say hi Yeah because he and we have exclusive audio of that event I mean is there a foamer podcast? This should be. Hell yeah, and you should be- I think most of the former stuff is on RFD TV which is a cable station and they play these unbelievably long videos of one train just going through here and there and just keep following it It's just unbelievably dull

01:36 I think it would be interesting. I would certainly listen to it, especially if they had guests on who brought their own favorite train clips And have it really high quality, you know. Not just a 96 kilohertz sample. You know do like 192 or do 300 plus and really have the binaural sound of the train going by that I would listen to Yeah, but did you can't listen to that for too long? Oh, it's a very short podcast. Oh yeah, maybe a 10-minute podcast Just listened to a bunch of horns Anyway, it was busy man. I'm finally some stuff to watch on C-SPAN sadly at the same time Oh my good and and I looked at the clip list today like oh this is fantastic We have almost no overlap you did the Supreme Court mainly Kavanaugh and I mainly did the one clip from that and I mainly did the The what was the exact title of it? It was

02:35 uh foreign influence in social media with Sandberg and Dorsey oh yeah I wanted to watch that and i didn't. I was more interested watching these guys screaming at each other. Oh, I watched that whole opening it like oh really? It's just another scripted shit show! Like I don't need to see although it's entertaining but I already saw that the day before the first day like okay And doing that and then the second day they did it again. Do you want to get into it now first or do you just want to hear how we're all going to die, just to set the mood for the show? Well I'll start with...I think we can tease this Supreme Court with this is my Supreme Court hearing out of control moment This is the way the whole first day went Wait oh out-of-control moment got it

03:24 Yes, here we go. 42,000 pages of doc and this is Kamala Harris from California or as they do on C-SPAN radio. He meant that we have not come to Harris, California review or read or analyze you are out You're out of order I'll proceed We cannot possibly move forward Mr.. Chairman a very warm welcome Have a meaning his wife Ashley nominee

04:06 They're two daughters. Mr Chairman, I agree with my colleague Senator Harris. Mr Chairman we received 42 thousand documents that we haven't been able to review last night and we believe this hearing should be postponed. I know this is an exciting day for all of you here. You know, I don't understand why he brought his two daughters The whole day was an embarrassment for them they were sitting there in their pretty frocks with mom. And you know, so- And mom looks like she's about to kill someone Yeah! I mean it was... It was... It's not the most important part of the story but i just felt bad and like dude what? You knew this was gonna happen are you an idiot don't bring your kids to this This is gonna suck and then all the coordinated oh we haven't seen the documents 48 million documents

04:59 Well, the thing that was funny about it is that and one of the guys called out the group one of the new I can't don't have his name. I haven't really raised ourselves with freshman from the freshman class It's one of the new guys on them on the committee He's not deal he's not John Kennedy the old the old fart. That's a new guy but at younger guy yeah, and he He says, I'm looking at a tweet right here from Chuck Schumer. He's telling all the Democrats to stall do anything they can to postpone these hearings is that what you guys are doing over there? He kept bringing tweets up apparently he was watching his phone the whole time during all the hearings and then one of them pointed out in which i think should have been pointed out more was uh The democrats before the hearings all said we're voting no matter what

05:51 Well, if you're voting no no matter what do you care about the documents coming in late or whatever? You know, you're voting No. Exactly! So it's come in or don't come in. Like well I presume that they tried to maybe somehow convince one or two Republicans to vote against him and then that...I mean when I heard the big head, the big talking heads talking about on cable news Was and I actually it was so long ago at the beginning of the week. I didn't think they were looking clip it Well, how come you guys didn't walk away? You know and there was kind of this push from the media like you guys should walk out just walk out a really good Walk away just walk out walk out of that just to fuck them

06:30 And B-Dead was like, well we don't really want to do that because then we really lose all the power. So there was kind of that discussion and I think they really thought maybe we can convince one or two guys shame them into it with the coordinated people in the audience standing up every 10 minutes It was a... Oh, there was somebody standing up and leaving every... One would get out. They'd get kicked out then another one another one they're all screaming in their high-pitched voice Yeah I have a bunch of short little guys if you want to hear them Well yeah, your tease has become the segment so let's move right through it I'm liking what i'm hearing Alright, so let's go with a couple of little... Have we even talked about what this is about? That this is the confirmation hearing of the... I think it's good idea to mention. Yes! You didn't even mention it So this is Judge Kavanaugh who Trump appointed as... Nominated Well he..I think he appoints him and then has to be confirmed

07:23 I don't think it's a nomination. Okay, and now it has to go through the Senate and Senate has to just a straight majority for this? Yeah. So 51- First it has to get out of this committee. Oh yeah okay yes complicated process yet this is still the committee Yeah, this is the committee. And then where does it go? Then it goes to vote for the... Oh then everyone gets a vote on it! Okay I got it So what's the make of the committee and do they have a vote or just someone says hey nice chat and yay or nay how does that work

07:59 vote and they, you know say okay we can push it to the Senate. Well who's how many Republicans? How many Democrats on the committee? I don't know the exact number but there's one more Republican It's all show right let's just agree it's a big show its grandstanding is a show okay and Campbell Toe Harris was back-and-forth between this one in between the social media thing I mean that just they were busy well here's here's a classic example of Camilla Harris this is a short clip I will be paying, of course very close attention to your testimony and i think you know the American public will be paying very close attention to your testimony. No they won't! Who is she an idiot? What is she saying this?! You and I are paying some attention but nobody's playing very close attention

08:52 And then Lindsey Graham of course had a couple of good points. He kind of pointed out what you just said a second ago, play the Lindsey Graham hypocrisy clip. To my colleagues on the other side... Look forward to working with you, but we have a different view here. I think you gotta be blind as to what's going on here Have you heard of Justice Breyer? Do you know him? You can't say anything, I guess Where did he come from? He was Ted Kennedy's Senate Judiciary person Where do you think Republicans are gonna go find the judge The whole argument is... ...you can be a conservative Republican president But you gotta nominate a liberal To be fair to the country That's absurd! Where do you think Ruth Bader Ginsburg came from

09:33 She's the general counsel of the ACLU. Wonderful person! What groups do y'all use to pick from? This is shaping up to be the hypocrisy hearing, and that's hard to do in this Senate." Yeah, Lindsey is really... it's like one testicle dropped on the guy. Well there was this incident that was I don't know if there's a clip of it. I saw this video at the funeral, McCain Funeral. Explain this, really good Well, Lindsey Graham was there and all of a sudden Uma Abedin comes running up to her. Beeline through the crowd! Yeah beeline through the crowd gives him a big hug and a yank-a-kak. And a couple sorority sisters. John Kelly? Yeah Kelly and Mattis were both there

10:23 And I think it was Mattis that first spotted him and he looked around and said, what are these two doing? By the way, Lindsey Graham was doing kind of that. I'm at the funeral and no one wants to talk to me We had kind of that look on his face. After Abedin left, that's what happened and then Kelly turns around I didn't realize how tall that guy is Yeah a little menacing actually He brought he's got to be able to stand up the Trump because he's at least the same height right? And he's standing there and then all of a sudden he just starts staring at Lindsay With a real like a stare like what the what is it you're up to

11:02 staring at him and grandma's not noticing that he looks at him suddenly, he catches his eye and he's like, yeah. And then And then Kelly gives him some sort of a sign. Well, it looks a little... Yes? At first like yeah it looks like he's giving because he's basically touching his the bottom underneath his eye with this index finger but it's the other side of his nose than the camera is positioned and it could also have been just I got some crud in my eye oh no it's Lindsey Graham but it could have been a signal like I got my eye on you Yeah that's what I thought And so then after that, Lindsey becomes this great apologist for Trump at these hearings. I said only one testicle dropped on him not both just one but he's out there He was doing the best job of all the people there He finally...but somethings up with that guy Let's see what kind of hashtag Me Too moment we can have about Lindsey Graham Wouldn't that be great?

12:06 It's pretty obvious. So this is his little very short comment about election, this is a second clip from him. You had a chance and you lost if you want to pick judges from your way of thinking then you better win an election. Woohoo! See that's what I'm telling ya. Lindsey has got a little ballsy all the sudden. I like this Lindsey. Well once his dad died... Hey lives with his mom still? Not his dad but McCain. Just a small interjection. We make jokes like this and the other night I actually regret it we've made a lot of jokes about Ruth Bader Ginsburg how she falls asleep You know, she's funny just look at her She's funny and she looks funny and I saw the documentary about her Oh my god respect for this woman! She still fantastically in fact, she is very humorous

13:03 But I felt like, oh man. I've been laughing at her without really knowing her whole story? Her whole story is pretty outrageously cool. Okay... Just as an- so when we laugh about Lindsey Graham- Is that gonna stop us?! No! I'm just saying it's my conscience- You won't get invited to any of anything. I just need to get it off my chest now back to laughing about Lindsey Graham and his little testicle So um So Feinstein comes out and she said something that I think she wanted to say one thing as you kind of drifted off and set something else. And if you listen to the structure of what she's trying to say, I think she wanted to say that. She wants...she says the country is...you know, she's a diversity nut. The country is diverse and we should have more....I think she was saying we don't want to put another white guy in the Supreme Court. She never actually said that but I think that's what she wanted to say in a roundabout way. Behind the noise

14:03 is really a very sincere belief that it is so important to keep in this country, which is multi-ethnic, multi-religious, multi-economic court that really serves the people and serves this great democracy. And that's my worry. That's my worry So, I look forward to your statement and answering the questions. Thank you Mr Chairman. Multi-diverse, multi-ethnic, multi-religious, multi-economic. What does that mean? That means we have rich people and very poor people. Multi economic! What else could it be?! Multi economic! So we need a homeless person It seems to me... well that's like during the Nixon administration where somebody needs to represent the mediocre

15:05 No, who said that? Yeah I believe it was Nixon. I think people can look into this because he was being criticized... He was being condemned for picking somebody who is mediocre. There's a lot of mediocre and I'm paraphrasing there's a lot of mediocre people which is kind of what Feinstein just said there's a lot of mediocre people in the country so they need to be represented with a mediocre justice You want to hear the flub of the week real quick? Yeah. This is John Kasich and he was talking on the Big Head Cuomo Kid Show on CNN Look, I learned early on in my job when i had a fight with the unions that sometimes you have to fight and stand tough but if you do it all the time its distracting you can't achieve your bigger purposes and it's not about some

15:57 You know, it's not about I win you lose. The other thing is when you look at the Congress though It's like 24 hours since John McCain was put to death and look at this circus of a hearing that's going on What? Listen again! Holy mackerel That is... give yourself clip of the day Clip of the day It's like 24 hours since John McCain was put to death I know. I still, I'm actually cried the first time i heard it to good lord thank you for making the show this is a good 30 seconds worth of conversation we'll extend it even it's like 24 hours since john mccain was put to death

16:48 Cold cold cold cold yeah, I'd say and how can the person not hear that at that moment anyway? You would think that one of if the people were listening to do these shows they're actually listening to the other person talk. Yeah You know he wasn't put to death let's make that clear Not that we know not that we're aware of But that's what we would say. Yeah, of course! They wouldn't say that but they should they would correct him Yes all right can I go into Feinstein? Do you have a point...I probably interrupted your whole point about her No no the Feinstein thing i think i've got it covered is she wants diversity so we should have an ethnic another ethnic on them even though we're already at the max it seems how many people are Jewish on the Supreme Court three maybe

17:38 I think they're over-represented. Oh yeah, hey! Yeah we need Pastafarians on there Why doesn't she bitch about that? She's not a pastafarian. Well, she's Jewish Okay, I guess that says fine then I just want to get come let me get this out of the way and then you Know this is about Feinstein. It's just it's doctor questioning That's why I inserted if yes So what? And I really only saw the beginning because I was going back to the social nets thing and I see Feinstein trying to you know trick Kavanaugh into this conversation about

18:13 You know, I guess in 93 her office wrote the Assault weapons ban which of course had a sunset clause after 10 years and they had to review and said well didn't do A damn bit of good so we don't have to renew it just So you know historical context but she was asking about an opinion he wrote the guy wrote a lot of opinions about The reason that you could have an assault weapon legally is because They were not unusual. There's millions of them and then she tries to get him into a debate of well, does that mean that these millions are used or they're just in the closet? It is not the same thing you know she's trying to re-litigate the Second Amendment pretty much like a moron wasting everybody's time and everyone could see it I mean even I see this coming from a mile away as like are you really gonna try this

19:04 So instead of playing that, let's listen to NPRs report. They spend about seven seconds on it. Guns abortion the scope of presidential power all issues being put to Supreme Court nominee Brett Kavanaugh today This is the second day of his confirmation hearings and the first chance for senators on the Judiciary Committee To question him in public in a moment We'll hear from one of those senators first NPR legal affairs correspondent Nina Totenberg joins us to walk through some of the nominees responses today Hi, Nina Hi. Let's begin with guns. Kavanaugh has a reputation as being a very pro-gun rights judge, how was he pressed on that today? Well as a judge, Kavanaugh has staked out a starkly different position from most lower court judges on gun rights disagreeing even with fellow conservatives. Most notably, he dissented when his court upheld the District of Columbia statute banning assault weapons and ammunition magazines have more than 10 bullets

19:56 Today, questioned by Senator Dianne Feinstein he maintained that under the Constitution and Supreme Court precedent only unusual weapons can be regulated and semi-automatic assault rifles are not unusual. They're in common use let's take a listen to the exchange. You're saying the numbers determine common use? They're widely possessed in the United States senator Beyond guns he was also asked about abortion and we know President Trump promised to name someone to the court who would overturn Roe vs. Wade What did Kavanaugh have to say about it? Now when I heard that, I thought wait a minute Did he say that the president... We know the president said he would appoint someone who would overturn Roe versus Wade Yeah, that's what he said. I don't know if the president said that

20:45 Well, and if he did by the way let's stop right here because we've listened to these media guys long enough if the president ever said that Mm-hmm. They would play the clip So I went and got the only clip that I think comes close to what the claim is here And you're right they would have had the clip they don't because he's Let's just start with everybody out there listening to this cuz we've noticed this over the last year If there is a moment where Trump said something that they're making an assertion about, they're either going to lie about it and play a different clip or they're gonna play Trump saying it. They did not play Trump saying it that means he didn't say it or we'll see what he didn't say because you have the clip. Okay so again here's NPR. NPR your national public radio.

21:32 Beyond guns, he was also asked about abortion and we know President Trump promised to name someone to the court who would overturn Roe vs. Wade What did Kavanaugh have to say? Now let's listen what the president actually said This is from the final debate against Hillary Clinton And do I have a date on this? Eh it doesn't matter your pro-life, but I want to ask you specifically do you want the court including the justices that you will name to overturn Roe v. Wade which includes in fact states a woman's right to abortion? Well if that would happen because i am pro life and I will be appointing pro-life judges I would think that will go back to the individual states

22:12 But I'm asking you specifically, would you like to... If they overturned it, it'll go back to the states. What I am asking is do you want to see the court overturn? You just said that you wanna see the court protect the Second Amendment Do you wanna see the court overturn Roe v Wade Well if we put another two or perhaps three Justices on That's really what will happen And that will happen automatically in my opinion Because I am putting pro-life and Justice on the Court I will say this, it will go back to the states and the states will then make a determination. There you go! He didn't say it No, he said something really weasely but he did not say it. He did not say it! That's okay no matter. They can say that he said it. Yeah, he kind of said it yeah this is the kind of news reporting we have well didn't say but he kinda said it and actually added something important which was omitted from the NPR report which is

23:08 No matter what happens, it goes back to the states where it probably belongs. So people in California shouldn't be worried about anything? They should be happy! They can do whatever they want In fact why don't they promote that Well, because it doesn't burn Trump enough. Yeah later on the show I got some flashbacks and you and we have a... You and I will both reminisce about when some of the now crazy lefty people were really on our side of thinking interestingly but we'll get to that later Let's continue with the Supreme Court. I have two more things, I have Mike Lee...I got two clips from him one is extremely long you don't to play the whole thing but just get an idea of what he's talking about by playing about probably the first half a clip one This is sort of how they practice upholding these hearings began so that senators could ask nominees how they might vote? How they might rule in particular cases

24:09 But this didn't always happen. In fact, it wasn't until 1916 that this even started You see, there have been 113 justices confirmed to the Supreme Court so far. The first 66 were confirmed without even holding a hearing! And the idea of it hearing is relatively new it's about 102 years old. Yes I love this John thank you having a little history lesson on the show is something we need to work on It's entertaining even if this happened hundreds of years ago Yes, because it gives us context that we're not getting from the news media. Now we have to do it! That's pathetic! Podcasters! 125 and 130 years under our constitutional republic without ever having a hearing but regardless We started having hearings just over a century ago The very first Supreme Court confirmation hearing occurred in 1916 with Justice Louis Brandeis

25:10 After Louis Brandeis was nominated to the court, some called for a hearing. Now if we're honest with ourselves, if we're honest about history I think a lot of this maybe had to do with some anti-sentiment fervor and the fact that Justice Brandeis was Jewish But senators also wanted to determine whether Brandeis would use his seat on the Supreme Court To advocate for some of the things that he had advocated for as a private citizen as a public interest attorney. They wanted to know how he might vote in particular cases they didn't ask Justice Brandeis to testify significantly but they did in fact have asked some outside witnesses what they thought about his nomination the next important moment one could argue occurred in 1939 when Felix Frankfurter became the first nominee to himself testified before the committee

26:10 At the time, Frankfurter was controversial in part because he was born overseas. But senators also worried that Frankfurter was a radical based on his defense of anarchists in court So again, senators wanted assurances about how Frankfurter might rule in particular cases In particular what results he might reach in a particular type of case Frankfurter, however significantly declined to engage with senators on those topics and insisted that his public record spoke for itself. Justice Stewart's nomination in 1959 was another turning point Senators seeking to resist Brown versus Board of Education wanted the grill Stewart on His views on integration others still wanted the grill Stewart about his views on national security

27:05 So, senators turned up the heat a little bit more in that hearing. Like Frankfurter before him Justice Stewart did not provide substantive answers to their questions." Huh! And I played the whole thing as you can tell. It goes on and on and he talks about how now the standard of excellence is Ruth Gator... Ruth Gator? Gator. Ruth Bader Ginsburg. She had a rule she says tip my hat and do a bunch of during her hearings. And I don't think that should be answering these sorts of questions, right? That's the standard that the Republicans keep throwing in the Democrats face what during these hearing was did Frankfurter in that clip is he also the guy who invented the hot dog? No, no surprisingly enough. He's not the same guy. Okay, it just check it so but I thought might be so let's play their little short clips were Mike Lee kind of does it because a little

28:04 little ending here that I thought was interesting. Without getting into any of the gory details here, I think it suffices to say that Senator Ted Kennedy and Judge Bork did not agree on certain matters of constitutional law. And Kennedy's response was too savage—unfairly in my opinion—the results that Judge Bork would reach if confirmed to the Supreme Court

28:53 The history shows that over the better part of a century, the Judiciary Committee has gradually created something of a new norm. A norm in which members demand that nominees speak about specific cases in return for favorable treatment from the committee as the jurists are going through this process." Oh man he's talking about He's wasting our time talking about people who are wasting our time in historical context of wasting time. Yes, he is that's a good observation and I only have one last clip and this is or actually have to another was not really about this hearings but there's this 1 here comes from the government there's a guy a couple do you have a number of historians at like

29:34 to produce podcasts. They're not really podcasts, they're just kind of like little books on tape. Are they hosted on Podbean? No! They are not on Podbean surprisingly enough but... I would say that i wouldn't be a podcaster if i had this guy's voice because it's a guy and i don't have his name in front of me but he gives a little supreme court early history that was never mentioned by anybody and is actually kind of interesting presidents nominate supreme court justices oh my god, im already loving the voices. and the senate has to confirm There has been occasional trouble since the very beginning. The first justice to be denied a seat on the court was a man named John Rutledge, it was 1795 just seven years into the new constitutional experiment. Rutledge had written an op-ed piece critical of the Jay Treaty, a 1794 treaty with Britain that tried to resolve certain lingering issues from the War of Independence that was enough for a Federalist Senate to scotch his candidacy

30:38 Jefferson came into office in 1801, in what he called the Second American Revolution. I gotta stop for a second... This guy needs to noise gate real bad because you hear that... I don't know man But poised to prevent that revolution was Chief Justice John Marshall, Jefferson's distant cousin. He was put into his life-tenured position in the last months of John Adams' failed one term administration—Adams who distrusted Jefferson's democratic radicalism essentially engaged in last minute court packing—Marshall and dozens of other midnight appointments—to make sure that Jefferson did not take things too far to the left

31:24 Marshall went on to serve for 34 years. He was perhaps the greatest of all Supreme Court justices, he was indeed a thorn in Jefferson's side. Marshall wanted America to be a great centralized nation-state not a confederation of sovereign states. He wanted a nation that prized the sanctity of contract above any temporary notion of social justice He despised Jefferson's vision of a lightly governed, inward-looking agriculturally based loose association of proud commonwealths like Virginia and Pennsylvania. We now live in Marshall's America not Jefferson's." And that's the story! Paul Harvey? Good day. That was probably right there was the fundamental basis for the Civil War. Yeah. Marshall... Well and that was social justice warriors

32:16 It sounds like Jefferson was a social Jefferson warrior. He was, and that's what we should call him! Then he was a lefty I mean they of course they demean him because he owned slaves and all the rest of it... Yeah yeah but he was the OG SJW. The OG! Slave Jefferson Warrior. Wow Okay, finally. You know we cannot I'm sorry as this my mistake yeah What well there's We need we cannot

32:54 Where is this thing? Yes, we cannot end a segment like that without this jingle. I'm sorry I will have it ready next time the more you know in the morning Get that in there Not tight no The opposite of tight now This is the last thing that this was an ad I don't did you see this at this was Susan they add against Susan Collins The social justice warriors put up an ad Yeah, who is Susan Collins? Susan Collins is the senator from Maine. Uh-huh Who is the Republican swing vote and she has to vote as do all the Republicans they have to vote yes on this guy and they think that she's a weak sister A weak sister okay

33:45 And so all these Democrats put together this ad claiming to be her supporters, but you can just see this ads a fake in terms of that. And they put this ad out which is now floating around trying to get her to vote against Kavanaugh and this is the ad. Susan Collins Senator, I have called you. I have emailed. I've written letters day after day week after week It has been pretty demoralizing to know that your elected representative is ignoring you So we're trying something new and hope that this will get your attention

34:20 Senator Collins, if you vote for Brett Kavanaugh we're going to fund your future opponent. A vote for Kavanaugh is almost certainly a vote to reverse Roe vs Wade as a mainer who has pre-existing conditions If you vote yes on Kavanaugh You're voting to kill me If he was confirmed as Supreme Court, he could instantly take away rights for people like me as a non-binary person. Stop! Stop stop stop I gotta hear that part again That was just so... And then by the way it's followed up with the non binary person Right But also The cadence, the whole delivery of that line was just fantastic. If you're voting for me you're voting to kill me! As a Mainer who has pre-existing condition if you vote yes on Kavanaugh your voting to kill me. If he was confirmed by Supreme Court He could instantly take away rights for people like me as non binary person or people with nearly any marginalized identity. If you vote to confirm Kavanaugh we are not going to stop fighting

35:19 Until you're defeated, Mainers need you to stand up and be a hero. Be a hero. Be a hero. Be a hero and vote no! And if you don't we will replace you. Whoa! Who paid for that? That's great I don't know. I could not yet to figure it out. It's very it's humorous. I like it That is very fun that this is I appreciate this kind of art and I encourage that at any time in our media landscape vote for him You're going to kill me Yes Yeah, I think that is fantastic Absolutely good job well let's transition to the other side of Capitol Hill and where we had the

36:00 foreign influence on social media hearing and this was in the Intelligence Committee, and I think we can do a nice transition with the only clips that overlapped during for this program because John and I never discussed what were gonna Do. I have no idea what he's going to talk about or where Clipsy is sending? I just get them before we start five minutes before I look at him just make sure you know there's not too many doubles. I have one clip of Alex Jones versus Marco Rubio. You have two two, so I think that you should run with the segment. Actually Marco you might want to play your clip because if... because my clips are kind of a trap it's the clip plus a kicker and i want to see what your clip is. I just have the straight up clip

36:50 I just have straight up clip. I think we should do yours this is an executive decision on okay well, this is the clip that did I'm gonna play? This is a Alex Jones versus Ruby. This is a clip that was generally promoted on the Internet and it was. Rubio giving a press briefing in the hallway and Jones buttoning. But I just want to say up front what I found so fascinating about this clip, and of course we'll hear it most the clip is about this big spoiler. Rubio then...I've seen his behavior now i'll give you an example

37:27 In the Netherlands for sure, when I was 20 very early on. When being on TV was not as common as it is today and people would of course recognize me and they would always say just without even asking hi! I don't know who you are? You know so I never watch music television. Are you kidding man?! I don't know who you are When they, it's a very odd... When you knew for a fact that they knew who you were. Oh yes and it was a very odd reaction that some people had And of all people for this to happen and Marco Rubio to do this and double or triple down on it with Jones shouting in his face I give Alex Jones a 10 plus for this by the way! I wish I had those balls to promote our show

38:12 Because, you know he's just sticking his face in going Infowars.com I mean i wish i had balls like that. That's fantastic. This is great Should I have a first amendment or should these companies be able to violate the whole safe arbor act and all that and then ban conservatives en masse? Yeah, I don't know anything about your site man No but about the first amendment yeah support the First Amendment I just asked questions about it A couple of things we have to start over. I think it needs to be prefaced that Rubio is actually doing an interview with some woman from a local station and Joe's just standing on the side there, he just jumps in yeah? And I believe he says safe arbor act

38:53 Instead of safe harbor, it's safe arbor. Yeah like safe Arbor Act. Oh you're gonna put that now Rubio is funny Petit catch that in terms of what are you talking about putting trees up? I know what you're talking about. We don't need any more trees. Oh, I didn't even catch that That's pretty funny Should I have a First Amendment or should these companies be able to violate the whole Safe Harbor act and all that and then ban conservatives en masse I don't know anything about your site, man. No but about the First Amendment? Yeah support the first amendment just ask questions. You were the only one that brought up China are you aware of the deplatforming going on in China? No, here. Big tech companies are purging conservatives. They're shadow banning people en masse. Yeah well my broader concern is that what we are trying to do in terms of preventing foreign interference in our elections, that technology could be used by authoritarian governments to argue we want you to do the same thing against people that

39:47 And Jones makes an excellent argument. He says, dude what are you talking about? That's happening here right now under your very nose! Country operating for example for them misinformation would be something like the truth For them missing...for them sowing instability would be supporting democracy and free speech But the Democrats are doing what you said China does. ...that you got from Sheryl Sandberg and Jack Dorsey on that question I think Facebook now is, it's important for them not to comply with any efforts to sort of go after freedom. What about the Democrats purging conservatives? She's not answering him. Republicans are acting like it isn't happening. Thank God Trump is. Oh yeah, it's really where there is no purge of conservatives. There is no shadow banning of members of Congress. Are you concerned about bias in social media? Yeah who's this guy we deplatformed here? I'm concerned about bias in social media. Well I think the bigger biases against freedom of expression everybody should be...there's a look I support going after- It's happening here but you say that don't exist

40:39 It's not a heckler at a price to gaggle look at this guy. He's saying that I don't exist and they're just all over you are man I don't read your website sure, and they tell me in these very areas, but he plays dumb here's the question for worse calm Google does Facebook need to be regulated like what do they need to be right? boy Alright man, who are you? I swear to God. So first he calls him snake eyes frat boy and then he touches his shoulder which he had done a couple times before which i also found it quite aggressive. I'd be like dude don't touch me but then Rubio falls for it.

41:19 InfoWars. He knows who InfoWars is, playing this joke over here that's why the deplatforming didn't work but here's a question don't touch me again man I'm asking you not to touch me. Well I just patted you nicely! But i dont want to be touched. You're not going to get arrested man. Oh oh he'll beat me up? I didnt say that. He so mad your not gonna silence me. Your literally like little gangster thugs What was that? Something down here at the end of your clip there. Shouldn't have been. Yeah, anyway says you look gangster thug in the ends But then that's the clip that went around but then and you gave him the kudos and I thought it was pretty funny yeah Although he's just annoying no what I gave him kudos for promoting his show as I gave him Kudos Savage Michael Savage has an extended version ah That was that was done by Cassandra Fairbanks one of them famous Twitter people done that didn't follow and she follows me

42:19 And she was there apparently putting this thing on Periscope live. And so when Rubio kind of gave up and started walking away, I think Jones kinda blew his credibility by calling him out as gay and just kinda goes a little nuts on this. Listen to the way it ends. What? Well, I'm playing it but not hearing it Oh, well that's not good.

43:02 to argue, we want you to do the same thing against people that are... I have a feeling- maybe he didn't clip this? Or should I move it because two minutes. Move it to the end and see what it sounds like. Okay. Careful about we don't overreach in that direction. But then he doesn't know my info works being made up! He doesn't know Rubio got so mad at me and threatened me physically. There's no balance between uh... Poor Rubio. I think I blew the cliff. Bro look on the ground. I think you gave me the outtake I may have. Well, yeah i'll tell you what he says he says no no no okay okay but what is sorry i can get that i'll get that clip i go stop the show i'll go get it now oh no no no you don't have that clip

43:43 No, no stopping of the show. He calls him out he says go back to the bathhouse It's too bad you didn't have the clip You know this has happened to me before it's under you once maybe twice But it's okay because I have a a clip maybe of similar proportion This was really an interesting thing that happened We had all there was lots of messy stuff going on in the audience. We had the Democrats shouting and the SCOTUS hearing, then we had all kinds of stuff going on with Alex Jones and of course we have a social media network election hearing... And that was interrupted by Laura Loomer. Ah yes. Now Laura Loomer I'm

44:27 Might as well just tell you what I've been thinking for a while. She comes up with really interesting and well-researched and surprising information, certainly about the Vegas shooting... And she has these gems of nuggets from time to time and then all of sudden she's the 25 year old moron again! You know, it was like primping for the camera. And so she stands up in the back with her selfie stick making sure she's filming herself causing this ruckus shouting something to the effect of Jack Dorsey is meddling in the elections! He's squashing Republican voice-highs conservative voice highs! Okay hold on... So I didn't see any of these which is what I expected you do but I don't know why but I guess.. Yeah I don't know why either but there you go

45:17 But she was at this yeah in the back in the audience so she So she stands up and she starts interrupting And I'm watching this dueling C-Span screens. By the way, it's great on the Surface Go. I didn't know this about Windows and maybe it's just the surface but you can drag a window to the edge and then ploop! It'll take up half the screen and give you choice for another window. Yeah that does it with us at Windows 10 thing? Yeah then he hit the escape button after we've done it accidentally. Ever since Steve died all that cool stuff that Apple used to do...and now someone is going tell me they do too.

45:57 It's beside the point. Very much beside the point, anyway so I'm looking at this and there she is and like this is just grandizing and now she has this thing like you've been lumered! Grandstanding. What did I say? Grandizing. I'm an idiot. Grandstanding. And she has this you've been lumered my Like no, no. You got to be around a little longer before you can say that you've loomered I mean i would never say you've been dvorak or curried Or no agenda No we say would you been hitting the mouth? That's a little different but luma you can always tell the chicken has been curry Yes So you've been lumered so I have a feeling that she's being run by someone that she has

46:38 She has someone behind her who's giving her great information. And she just knows how to present it, she's semi-cute... ...she's bubbly young energetic and you know so there is something going on behind her that is putting information out. Anyway this is not one of those moments where this really her trying to loomer and it fails but it fails for a very interesting reason So I have these two screens going on Is there a third? What is Mecham's audio auction on what's happening here now recognizes that Get a mic over to her get a mic over order get a mic over now. We'll have order in the hearing You'll be asked to leave you'll Please take a seat or we'll have to have you

47:27 Then you'll need to relieve. That is why we are censoring and shadow banning... I'm at an end. $12 down, 15, 7 down, 20 dollar to the hand, 5, 7 hands 30. Hit! $30 down here to... At this point i'm like what? What's going on?! She's yelling, I'm hearing this Officer will you escort this young lady out please? That was Senator Long from Missouri. That was fantastic!

48:30 That was a really creative way of lightening the mood. Yeah, that was really good and so everyone just like it was perfect and then of course the you know It ends on such as sour note Just dumb this is like great And now it's your moment for the for the great line of the day and no what does he do somehow? I think our auctioneer in residence gonna get tweeted about today Idiot nah okay So that was all I really had of the interruptions. The guy's good though! Yeah, like that. Apparently he wasn't... That's a sound of professional too. Yes yes well we have a lot of them here in Tejas so yeah i'm familiar with him. Yeah I've always thought it'd be cool to do that There was a song back in the day I could do hey the auctioneer I could do that? I could sing along with it? The auction... It's called the...I'll find it for next show.

49:29 Okay, so now we have on the other side of Senate. We have or wherever I don't know what this is really on the other side We have the Intelligence Committee and they have a hearing which is titled foreign influence in social media Now although all these things are scripted never and you could even see both Dorsey and Sandberg who were the only two there There was an empty seat ominously empty where Google didn't show up Everyone reference whoo. Hey, they don't have to they write everyone's checks They don't have to show up so that's what's going on there and where's the outrage? Where's the media talking about Google being a bunch of either pussies something to hide or just plain rude They talk about it

50:13 But only in a normal like reporting manner. Kind of like, they're Google man! They don't have to show up as Google by the way what is what shows up? A big G? An Oogle logo? Who comes for Google Eric Schmidt? Who comes for Google? Who comes at Google? Every page he comes on to gigas he talks like this you can really express himself. Got low voice okay I don't know so they're not there good and there's no one from Google But you can see Sandberg and Jack Dorsey from Twitter, they basically have the questions in long form sheets in front of them. They know who's coming and they know what questions are coming I don't know if it was abbreviated or not but we know these things are scripted but this is a topic that not everyone as well versted

51:03 And I sadly that one, I forgot to do was of and I will clip that for Sundays of Kamala Harris trying to understand the value Of an ad buy which is really important but we can easily discuss it on Sunday It's a lot much longer conversation because it's so convoluted. But I think you and I can pick it apart OK, we'll do that. But the hearing started off and this is the first clip is a little over two minutes and it kind of really says everything and shows you the difference between these 2 personalities and I believe also the DNA of their companies? And it was... I was doing my tech reporter voice. That's what it was! It's these two companies, okay? Let me tell you all about it at least I caught myself and the first question is the only question really we needed to have answered maybe I should ask you first for some reflection because the first quick question from the chairman is What is social media now what is social media to you John

52:09 Before we hear from our witnesses social media is a construct using the internet to interconnect people in groups forums or even individually so they can interact without being anywhere near each other Someone should write that down because I was very good As you can imagine it's not at all what their answers were And and Sandberg now, let me just get my other notes here I did take a number of notes even though we have just a few clips first of all Sandburg. I'm sorry and I Tried this out on Tina last night Not as a joke but purely is that's just an observation It didn't go very far but Sam Brooke has got to be watching these hearings of herself I'm sure she saw some tape and thinking oh

53:01 Why did I fuck up my nose so bad? I mean she did something with a nose job it was probably a second or third time and She had you know, a broad nose if you look at the Book of Knowledge and you go back in but it was cute. It was nothing wrong with it And you know now it has kind that Michael Jackson thing where two sides in a way like Mike its Michael Circa 1989 you know, where it's and then it starts to fall in on the side and then the way the light hits it just looks like you have a small penis. It has no structure left. Looks like you have a small penis on your face I mean it is really bad so anyway... And I'm sorry for her that she did that but let it be a warning people careful what you do with your face. Dorsey read his opening statement from his iPhone which I think was a big mistake he looked and he was nervous

53:59 If he if he hadn't said I'm shy at the beginning which she did you know, and usually don't do these things. I'm shy He could have been seen as a much Much closer to Tony Stark than Elon Musk because he comes across is a very deep thinker He carries his words very carefully And I actually think he is a deep thinker and has thought about what he's doing and what Twitter isn't I have? To say I'm very impressed by his performance in general hmm Let me see, well you know the typical things are in there about their business model and all that stuff. We've heard it a million times but there were some new terms and a couple of things I highlighted again the advertising and money flow and everything...I didn't get that one we'll do on Sunday but let's start off with opening statements with that very question. This question is to... Oh and Sandberg... Wait hold on a second before you start teasing Sunday

54:52 Oh, you're right. What am I thinking? It's not Sunday. Sunday we have a special show Yeah, you're talking about next Thursday Yes, next Thursday Sorry...I'll probably forget We will never know No, you won't! I'll remember I will remember the Sandberg-Kamala Harris clip Okay it is programmed Now, back to the show. And Cheryl Sandberg's entire testimony was Miss Goody-Goody Two Shoes Borderline Valley Girl had everything all sewn up She is that veteran she knows Jacks nervous and shy This question is to both of you How would you define social media for this committee and more importantly for the American people? I'll start with you Ms. Sandberg

55:45 Social media enables you to share what you want to share when you want to share it without asking permission from anyone. That's the top thing right there! Social media lets you share what you want to share with anyone without any permission except permission from Facebook And that's how we meet our mission, which is giving people a voice. I would have stopped you right there if somebody should say oh really so people can share like illegal images or atom bomb plans or anything they want to share? Or there was some sort of meeting that's going to overthrow the government That's all shareable That's what social media is all about But that... You are now the senator from Kentucky

56:30 You have just won your seat on the Senate Intelligence Committee. I'll start with you, Ms Sandberg. Social media enables you to share what you want to share when you want to share it without asking permission from anyone. And that's how we meet our mission which is giving people a voice I think what's more important than just the content people share is the connections they make. Social media enables people to celebrate their birthdays. When i heard that, I said this is fantastic! How did they come up with this? Who approved that? Did Zuck go yeah?! Number two on the list birthdays

57:23 The Dutch are jumping up and down. And I think what's more important than just the content people share is the connections they make. Social media enables people to celebrate their birthdays... And, I'm sorry this was my first birthday in many years without Facebook and uh You celebrated it just fine! Yeah, I'm still here and it was really calm and a few people that did get through to me they really love me So it was a good feeling. In the last year, people have raised $300 million on Facebook on birthday funders for non-profits they care about. Birthday funders? It's a double whammy on the birthdays for the social nets! Safety check. Millions of people in the worst circumstances of their lives have let their loved ones know that they're safe How about a text message? Does that work still? Hey I'm still alive! Phone call Thank God there is Facebook And small businesses to grow

58:25 All around the country I meet with small businesses, from a woman making dresses in her living room and selling them on Instagram to a local plumber who are able to find their customers on Facebook and then able to grow and hire people and live their American dream. And that's her entire statement. That is what social media is It's about sharing anything you want without anyone telling you what to do unless your name is Alex Jones it's about birthdays raising money for birthdays and What was the last one? Yeah, small businesses. Oh yeah late Yes sad people with little who would know retirees who are doing work somewhere they can make a buck That's social media

59:11 So Jack Dorsey who knew I mean If I was Zuckerberg like dude, you didn't do a good job on that. That's not what social media is anyway so Dorsey doesn't really even answer the question he goes straight to where what he's thinking and this will come back into just a couple other clips this will come back and And it's deep and I really appreciate the thinking he put into it. And also notice that the senator addresses him as Jack, and not Mr Dorsey in this particular clip. I just thought that was interesting for context. They're able to find their customers on Facebook... ...and then able to grow and hire people and live their American dream. Jack? Jack? I believe it's really important to understand how the people see it

1:00:06 And we believe that the people use Twitter as they would a public square. And they often have the same expectations that they would have of any public space For our part, we see our platform is hosting and serving conversations Those conversations are in the public I think there's a lot of benefit to those conversations being in the public But there's obviously a lot of risks as well We see that news and entertainment are actually byproducts of public conversation. A very astute observation, I don't know if the media likes it but i thought that was good yes It's a by-product absolutely The media should like it and they should use it as ammunition against them

1:00:54 Because it's not primary. So yeah, you can advertise with Twitter but it's a byproduct. It's like advertising with a byproduct. You know a byproduct? Like a byproduct of pork. No no he says something. He said news is a byproduct of Twitter Yeah, I think what he means by news is like reporting news. Yeah So so Twitter is the ground zero The media has just taken the shreds that fly off the edges of the machine No, I don't think that's what he meant That's exactly what he meant! Well it doesn't matter we can disagree on this Yes and entertainment are actually byproducts of public conversation

1:01:38 And we see our role as helping to not only serve that public conversation so that everyone can benefit, even if they don't have a Twitter account. I don't know what that means! Everyone can benefit from Twitter even if you don't have a Twitter account? Well, you know it's going on the site and you always put a Twitter link up... Oh okay gotcha. To not only serve that public conversation so that everyone can benefit even if they don't have a Twitter account That's important. But also to increase the health of that conversation as well The health and in order to do that we need to be able to measure it We need to... Now yeah, this is deep he so he's saying the health Of that conversation and I think the health I think contextually I think I understand what he's talking about Is it a health? The health yes the health So the healthiness of the of the conversation

1:02:30 If it is something that is making people happy and therefore healthy because they either, I would say agree with each other as one way. If you have everyone agreeing with each other...I don't know how that works but okay Or go into dimension B for a few minutes on Twitter. You'll know how it works really quick, right? But you and but do we all agree that he's saying healthy conversations where people aren't like me and making themselves sick Literally making themselves sick which is what social media is what is social media mr.. Curry It's a place where people go to get sick That's my answer but also to increase the health of that conversation as well

1:03:10 And in order to do that, we need to be able to measure it. We need to understand what healthy participation looks like in a public square and we need to amplify that. More importantly, we need to question the fundamentals of 12 years ago in the form of incentives When people use our product every single day when they open our app up What are we incentivizing them to do? Not telling them what to do, but are we actually incentivizing them to do? And that certainly speaks to the buttons that we have in our service all the way to our business model. So didn't really answer... he dealt with a social media question quite quickly it's a public square and people expect the same type of

1:04:01 actions they can take on the public square, although I would wager to say because of anonymity people actually show themselves their true selves and being on Twitter is like looking at your own anus. Because we're all like that into some degree but then he goes into this very deep thinking which will come back too later about what exactly are we doing? What are we doing here now? Now I don't know if you can ever measure the health of a conversation although you never know what machine learning and AI can do But I thought that was at least some thinking and not the kids for birthdays of it now this being the time code down she already have a couple

1:04:48 This being the foreign influence in social media, so how we respond? It's just kind of a general response to are they working together? Are we collaborating or are we doing everything. The minute we see bad actors... actually a new term will pop up in a moment Whenever we see these bad actors, you know are we do we have systems in place? And man when you listen to this and how they're all like agreeing with each other and nodding. Oh yeah! Yeah We're all locked down I think our collaboration has greatly increased We've always worked closely with law enforcement and we continue to do that and particularly the FBI's new task force New Task Force! We've shared information with other companies but i think we are doing better and we can continue to do better

1:05:31 Mr. Chairman, you noted in your opening remarks that some of the tips we got came from a private security firm. In our mind that's the system working. Our opponents are very well funded they are very organized and we're going to get those tips from law enforcement from each other from private firms and faster we can collaborate, the faster we share those tips with each other, the more stronger our collective defenses will be. You're getting too far away That was just that was just a little bit of a report said our opponents. Yes, and it's supposed to mean and the new FBI task force That certainly has great collaborating with them. Oh yeah, what does she mean by our opponents? The Russians

1:06:19 Oh, you sure she doesn't mean Republicans? Well she didn't say Russians. She said opponents so I think that she meant a wide variety could be Republicans who are influenced by Russians or who have ever had a Russian dressing on their salad. I don't know those are her words and they and she's pretty precise with how she speaks this is all she's rehearsed quite well Our opponents. Mm-hmm, our opponents yes and we have the special especially now... Now opponent has a certain meaning, we gotta stop here and I want to look up this word because if she's that precise then we have to assume that there is something within this definition

1:07:11 This is irking you. Game or argument a rival or adversary. Yes, I think Russia fits in there but also Republicans I think think Twitter fits in yes that actually when she when I first heard this Because you know you're paying attention to a lot of things same time I thought she was actually talking about Twitter But then I went back and she wasn't she was referring to his opening comments about the attacks on our democracy

1:07:48 Tax on our democracy. Sure way by her opponent she means the attacks on our democracy I think so yeah, he's telling $100,000 with the cheap advertising that's kind of silly yes and it went though $100,000 again I'm sorry a week from today will pull that apart that did come up and its important all right let me move on Because now we have a new term as we're now going to talk about, a little more about what is permitted. What can and can't be done on the platform and she has all kinds of interesting terms you know very much like unindicted co-conspirator which is what will go on Donald Trump's tombstone if it's up after the Democrats. Unindicted co-conspirator who's pre dead

1:08:37 At this moment. Be pre-cancerous! So here we're going to talk about... Well, you'll hear it's just new terms and interesting stuff. What entity do you have in each of your companies who make these determinations? Our policy team is setting those and our security team is finding them. And coordinated inauthentic behavior means behavior on our site that... This is her big thing inauthentic behavior. You want to look something up? What does that mean isn't everybody by definition who's on Facebook inauthentic That's the whole game, isn't it? Yes! You're supposed to be inauthentic. Look inauthentic Take pictures that are inauthentic Post inauthentically and once in a while say Trump is a dick Isn't that what everyone does? That's the only authenticity I'm seeing Coordinated inauthentic behavior means behavior on our site that's inauthentic so people are not representing themselves to be who they are to be And coordinated means they are cool

1:09:38 No representing themselves who they are to be not representing themselves to be who they are to be Who they oughta be what does that even mean? They're not representing themselves. Who they are to be who they oughta be from Arby's who they are to be sandwiched from Arby's They're not representing themselves to who they are who they oughta be blah blah blah blah who they oughta be Okay, so she you know she's trying to explain inauthentic behavior I think she means that They can't really, and I think she even refers to it. They can't really track if someone's being inauthentic which i guess means im a russian spy covering as the hot girl in her bikini

1:10:19 Facebook I think that's what she means here means behavior on our site. That's inauthentic so people are not representing themselves to be who they are to be and Coordinated means they are coordinating more than they can be coordinating with authentic actors and coordinating with inauthentic actors I need a road map for this, I don't know who to connect Can I coordinate with you? I'm inauthentic bro sorry both are unacceptable Oh it is something that Is easy to recognize, people are unanimous about it or do you wind up with debates as to whether or not... Yeah! He's that guy for real. It's not the only unanswered question ever? Certain platforms should be shut down I think on a lot of issues we face like hate speech there is broad debate When it comes to what an inauthentic actor which is a fake account posing as someone they're hard to find but once we find them we know what they are Who sets these standards same committee

1:11:16 The same group of people and and just for context she said quite clearly it's I don't have it in this clip that Facebook is not on the business of determining what is fact or false What is true, or false? Or fake news or facts or fact-check false whatever the hell. It is check false That they use third party independent or independent third parties for that which means the independent fact-check network which includes such luminary members as the Daily Caller Foundation, Tucker Carlson's thing. It just snopes so you know I don't know what can come out of that but okay fine well give me some examples of standards that are unacceptable

1:12:02 In the coordinated inauthentic behavior or in general? In general. Yeah, so we publish our community standards comprehensively and what that does is define what's permitted on Facebook and what's not. Okay here We finally what's permitted And what's not okay permitted on Facebook So some examples are bullying is not permitted Bullying hate is not permitted hate is not permit not a speech hate is not permit hey Don't hate! Language that leads to violence is not permitted. And this is published in detail, publicly. Publicly. We publish it all publicly. Hate is not allowed

1:12:38 Listen, what is left of your social network if hate is not allowed? Hate speech. Okay We've tried to define that not legally but now just hate so if I go on Facebook like I hate this guy am I in violation? It's his God Violation yes. Yes you are if you hate President Trump you're in violating everybody out They all hate there is a group There is a Facebook group when I was last on it You know when was that March That is called I hate Donald Trump. That should be not allowed! Well then obviously one of the senators would bring that up

1:13:14 Final clip for this is and now we're coming back around to the incentives. And you will hear Sandberg was said I don't did even put Sandberg in this she has no vision just bad nose job and Dorsey he's thinking deep about it. I want to get to the basic issue of whether our incentives in this case are aligned to deal with these challenges. And by the way, I'm pretty sure that Dorsey because of the Jack comment that he coordinated this with the chairman but this is where they're going towards incentives and how the social networks are responsible for a lot of this bad behavior and now this is a setup? I'm not sure how they're gonna play it out. I think it's way too complicated for most but I think that's what's going on If your users were to lose confidence in your platforms

1:14:09 I in the authenticity of what you, Mr. Dorsey called a public square I might call it a digital public square Wow! Inventive! I assume there'd be very serious economic implications for your companies Do you think the incentives have aligned for platform providers of all types in the digital space to want to get at these issues and have a plan and be able to respond in real time? Ms. Sandberg and then you Mr. Dorsey Absolutely Trust is the cornerstone of our business people have to trust that what they see on Facebook is authentic

1:14:48 People have to trust that this is a positive force for democracy and the things they care about. And so, this has been a huge issue for us and that's why we're here today and that's why we're going to keep working to get ahead of these threats and make sure we can minimize all of this activity. Mr Chairman I just want you know we at Facebook were all on board do like my tight sweater? I mean seriously! Is that her vision is that how concerned she is very disappointing short Facebook Our incentives are aligned, but I do believe it goes a lot deeper than just the alignment of our company incentives with this committee and the American people. I believe we need to question the fundamental incentives that are in our product today. Every time someone opens up our service, every time someone opens up our app, We are implicitly incentivizing them to do something or not to do something

1:15:43 And that extends all the way to our business. Those answers that we get from asking that question are going to create massive shifts in how Twitter operates and I also believe how our industry operates, so what worked 12 years ago does not work today it hasn't evolved fast enough but i think its a layer many many layers deeper than the surface symptoms that we often find ourselves discussing. I like his answer! Yeah, you're getting a bromance with this guy... And yeah and i'm no fan of Jack Dorsey We know he probably dislikes me I've not verified have asked to have never even gotten a straight up answer people have asked on my behalf still do I don't want it anymore because then I will have to leave Twitter because it's the mark of The Beast but I like what he says here now and

1:16:43 I, you know he said hey it's gonna change massively and i think not to their benefit. And I think he realizes that thank god he has square is what he's thinking damn glad I got into that business yeah that was a smart move ah as far as I'm concerned uh Twitter was always the invention of Ev Head right Evan Williams right who invented blogger made you know his worth a billion dollars for blogging It was all based on RSS That's what Twitter were originally, you know it was a podcast platform. Blogger? No no it was a podcast but it was Odeo. Odeo became Twitter. Odeo is the podcast competitor to Mevio but they had a platform and we just had content don't you remember? Yeah Odeo and then they never really launched and they turned...they came up with this follow thing which I think they had in their podcast

1:17:45 Environment and that became Twitter and then podcasting just went in the crapper for ten years Because then we had social nets, and that was the next next new new big thing I'm not sure of this ah I know my history my friend And we've discussed it on the show. We discussed it on the show well with that I'd like to thank you for your courage to say in the morning to you John C U.S.A stands for Charles Dvorak You're welcome! Oh wait, I'm sorry Well in the morning to you too Mr Adam Curry also held the ships and sea boots on the ground feeding the air subs with water and all the names are nice out there And in the morning to The Troll Room NoahJennerStream.com good to see it all the trolls here

1:18:27 And in a good mood today. I think everyone had a lot of fun watching C-SPAN during the week. Yeah, we're thrilled! We're an energetic bunch we are and we watch C-SPAN as a group! In the morning too Nick The Rat who was awarded the choice for album art for episode 1065. Very competitive week we might add. The title of that flux capacitator was of the show and this was Comey, James Comey looking at his laundry line of drying counterfeit money or not counterfeit washed money laundered laundered I'm sorry whitewashed laundered money as we... it was interesting because i just read you were talking about we have the

1:19:16 military intelligence versus the CIA, central intelligence. We have Democrats Republicans you know now of course we have Nike versus Adidas because Nike's got Kaepernick and adidas has Kanye and we have the banks who are laundering money, drug money typically. And then you have the real estate guys like Trump who launder money through what we used to just call commerce just doing private transactions but now we always think of everything as a crime Who cares? I don't care where you got your money from You want to buy this apartment good here you go So Trump is just laughing his ass off and they hate him for it and i just read that ING in the Netherlands just paid a 775 million euro claim or a fine

1:20:01 to the European, I guess the central bank. I don't know where they send it to the EU before money laundering drug money laundering because they weren't paying close enough attention to the deposits you see. I did some research on this uh to figure out how to do money laundering as a real estate guy just what... You mean some job research? My exit strategy. The best one yet! Turns out it's a good one It turns out to be a very good one and the reason is because it's essentially legal. Completely legal, you do not have to check the background. So Trump is not breaking any laws by being a money launderer if we want to call him that or even assume we're correct in our assumptions which I believe we are and that is because of restrictions on banks

1:20:49 taking in cash and not reporting it from drug companies, stuff still powdery is one thing. And you have to do all these reportings that for example even when we make a money transfer if I wait way too long and it gets over certain amount they get reported to the IRS everything you do in a banking environment gets reported real estate no There's no holds bar. There is nothing and you can take it, some guy can walk into your office if you're a real estate developer with cash with $1 million in cash and you just put it into the your account as a transaction. And that's how commerce used to work. It was okay now I don't care where you get your money from podcast international drug trade what's the difference?

1:21:37 I would think that there's a lot of opportunities all over the place, but apparently real estate is the real winner. And can you imagine how just to add insult injury these guys also have to lend to people like Trump? That must really gall them! Like he's doing this with their money No wonder they want to screw him so badly. Yeah, that makes nothing but sense to me I love looking at the Trump through that lens It's a very comfortable feeling feels good money launderer But and that's legal reason for doing these big deals. I mean he obviously got a clue He worked with some people didn't know it how new out of this when he did Trump Tower as a young kid mm-hmm

1:22:20 And he just, come with you, this is gonna cost more than you should be paying. This is how you keep everyone on your side all the mobsters I would say that he definitely has. In fact, if you saw...I don't have a clip of it where I was looking for it could never find a good clip of it Lanny Davis coming out and condemning CNN for misquoting him? I have yes, I have Lanny Davis. I want to play that clip after the donation segment because I want to comment on that Oh this does have to do with Chuck Todd's article No, but I can bring that in too. Yeah no I have my comments different let's get this kid these guys Let's thank these let's do something yes. Let's do something executive producers for showed a 1066 I Could it wasn't 1066 the Norman invasion we could have made that an issue and sure it's okay anyway

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1:23:59 So that was a thousand dollar instant night donation. We love to see that! Yeah, it's been a long time since we had an instant night. Yeah it is actually has been a long time we need more and then we have a mix up to me but Jack Swoboda would be next from Cupertino California with 666 and he actually did send an email which I believe I have, yes. That's the mark of The Beast speaking of The Beast. The beast shows up when you least expect it. Comes in as John's computer. Hello and greetings from a no agenda night Sunday show was spectacular as always in the pre stream bore unexpected fruit Really? Unexpected fruit Usually is just Linux advice

1:24:45 If you check the PayPal donation, you'll find a $3.33 donation that I'd like to accredit to Nick to simultaneously lift his douchebag status and begin his journey into NA knighthood as always for the fantastic deconstruction of Maxine Wadsworth's A Stay Woke. This may be a $333 donation. He did attach a note... Interesting! Hmm okay Well that might why it might out of sequence. I think something in this spreadsheet doubled it for some reason Because it shouldn't be worse. John, something doubled it from 333 to 666? I think we should be worried! Yeah, I think so too. Anyway, so we'll give him... We'll assume is 333 because that's what he says here. Does he ask for a jingle or anything?

1:25:40 Oh, he has a mix by his friend Nick. Current douchebag. Created this afternoon after enjoying it... Maybe we should listen to this mix and then if we- Did you send the mix? I don't have a mix! I have a mix. No agenda. Is that for rant? Oh, no that's not a mix What is it? That's uh... hold on That's uhh.... That's what.. that's this one here we go OH MY GOD! WOOOOO! LISTEN TO THAT HORN!!! That one I just received that one today. Is that from him? From, from...from him?! I don't know! I don't remember there was no long donation note for sure Okay well here i'm gonna play it real quick to myself No you gotta hold it up to the microphone It's not gonna- You're not gonna hear it anyway No why are you doing that? No something different It's nothing like that It's a song What's the guys name? Svoboda And you are on the mailing list

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1:27:21 Yeah, I use Outlook. You know that. Holy moly! Yeah, I've tricked it out too now where'd this thing just go? I just put it in here. That outlook's fabulous No, it's not its crappy. Where did it go? Oh donations okay when is the donation segment oh here we go Okay, finally have it Okay It's kind of long I think you said Okay end a show got it. It'll be in the end of show glad we did that Okay, onward with Scott Richardson. Happy 54th birthday Adam Curry he comes in with $379 and 30 cents and gives you a happy birthday call I happy 25th to another Adam it should be on the mailing list i'm not sure happy 25th to another at my brother Adam Richardson mm-hmm And then please call out my friend Foreman as a douchebag again! Douchebag! And then give him some dogs are people too karma

1:28:19 You've got karma Sir Chris Wilson did a happy birthday song for me, but I'll play that end of show. Okay good Alright now we have last or last guy is sir Daniel Miller who came in at 333 dot 33 knee He actually sent in and it's very short note with a but he had the sealing wax on it I Love when I get something with the sealing wax on it. It's Everyone's gathered around the table as I was opening mail look Look, yeah sealing wax that popped it open Oh, yeah, I got one I couldn't pop it open that easily ripped the paper a little bit And it stuck to the note on the inside

1:29:04 This value for value is long overdue. Your analysis and delivery are truly outstanding and unmatched, and then he has it in emphasized boldface type, in all the land! No agenda has helped my critical thinking and undoubtedly had a positive impact on my career in general well-being. I know that many other producers feel the same way, I humbly request some jobs karma from my smoking hot wife and all producers amen fist bump now before you play the thing he's actually up to enough to it to grab a knighthood no a bear no he is at night got this thing works of course the baronet uh-huh and he

1:29:46 I think he didn't request Baronet upgrading, he may be just waiting because he's very short. He's just very close to Baron so maybe he's just waiting. I just want a mention to him cause you're gonna listen this. Now I know what you're doing! For just $5 more you could have the nicer model. Wow! Shameless! It's almost there. You know people... It was really driven by the producers who wanted these titles beyond knighthood and I'm very proud of our system. And i'm proud that other people use that it's the value for value model and true royalty these credits are real you know there's nothing to say this is no magical wall that makes these two media professionals less valuable than someone else being in executive or associate executive producer, In fact once you've been one you can automatically pass a title on! Is that not true?

1:30:42 Yes. If you've been an executive producer, then any production you're involved in... You can hand out titles You could if you wanted. Nobody does it We do! Yes Yeah, there you go So thank you very much to our executive and associate executive producers we will thank everybody who came in over $50 in our second segment and uh...we have a special show coming up on Sunday as I will be tomorrow morning the Keeper and I will go to Italy my sister's 25th wedding anniversary which is Saturday night we arrive Saturday morning, Saturday night so there's just no way I'm going to be able to do any type of

1:31:18 Good show and quite honestly think we deserve one show off, but John didn't take off He actually added to his workload. Yeah what you got for us on Sunday? I do have a teaser Let me finish the segment first let me just get out of everything I thought you were just gonna tease it well your cue in me right there when my school's just You're right. I messed it up. Let me thank everybody and get out And then will then we'll tease that so You do want to remember us at Dvorak.org slash N-A. We got all kinds of nuggets for you today in our formula including opponents! Our formula is this, we go out we hit people in the mouth. Shut up, slave. Alright

1:32:14 So Sunday, Sunday, Sunday, Sunday special show. No rehash! No remix! No retake! No flashback! Nope Brand-new fresh fresh. We do have some mixes once well, but this will be two interviews That I've done one with Dane Jasper the CEO of sonic net talking about Gigabit Ethernet now why will this be interesting to everybody? Because we have a lot of dudes named Bannon and we want to hear from a guy who's who's actually stringing his own wires outside of the AT&T infrastructure and

1:32:51 And we're going to talk about gigabit. Why he's an independent guy, he's like us. He's a part of separate and independent of the mainstream. Yeah nice so there's like wires out in front my house that these guys came by these trucks and say sonic dot net they're stringing wires not wires but cable but fiber So it's fiber to the home FTH fiber to the curb FTH yeah yeah FTK okay That's a dude named Ben I'm very interested in that FTTH. Now, and the other one I have an exclusive interview with Scott Adams. And Scott, who I've known for 25 years made it a little easier to do this interview. Can we cut the questions you have for Dane into Scott's answers?

1:33:39 I don't have time for that since i have to have this produced by tonight. Oh, okay So uh...I could it would be funny but It wouldn't be that funny But I do have a teaser to show you the kind of stuff we'll be talking about with Scott Excellent Now you said you've known him for 25 years? I don't think people know that Yeah yeah why not I'm no- I haven't been over his house and I haven't seen him in at least Why does he always talk such shit behind his back? I don't understand He uh He's, yeah I'm very... Yeah we're actually if i saw him more we'd be pretty good friends. I bet. Nice but he here's an example. I asked him a question and I said because of course he hates the word Trump apologists We talk about that little bit in the show because he doesn't vote. He talks about this right? Not a member of party. Doesn't care. He just likes to analyze things. Just wants their weed to be legalized

1:34:38 Oh, it is. Well in California yes? It is legalized yeah and he I asked him a question I said this at this position you've taken which is to talk about Trump as a great persuader and he's outsmarted everybody else has this hurt Has this hurt your income or anything at all whatsoever? Because this is a question I felt that needed to ask. It's the question...I'm sorry for interrupting your setup, it-this is the definition of a great question! This is the question that everybody should be asking him wherever he goes they never asked him this ever

1:35:17 Oh, sure. Yeah. Sorry? No, go ahead. Sorry now I stepped on you. I will say that I got out of him at least three things that I've never heard in fact, I thought two of me everyone almost decided never to talk about but I got it You don't want to mess with the with Dvorak he's a real juice squeeze a juice squeezer i'll tell ya Okay we go oh sure yeah probably 40% of my income evaporated and 75 percent of my social circle Yeah, I'm quite an outcast. And my and I don't do public speaking anymore because it's too dangerous You know, I wouldn't feel comfortable If there was any publicity and you put me in front of a big crowd right now because it only takes one person to say that guy said something good about the president's

1:36:05 persuasion skills he must die so I don't think it's safe to be in public when people like you are branding me a Trump apologist. People like you? Did you brand him? That's funny, that's very funny Wow! He says he lost 40% of his income. 40% of his income?! That's Dilbert Yeah, and 75% of his social circle which does not surprise me in California. I say that's a win! It is not a loss Scott it is a win. That's what I would think yeah. Tina and I are like hey you know what's really great? We live with our best friends...our only friend!

1:36:48 Yeah, we got some. We're best friends and we got some kids that's about it. I was telling you now at the gun range of meet more friends Oh yeah, now i've got tons of friends there Reds and Brids No So thats the kind of interview is Nice! Now I can't... I'm very excited about that Both Very excited It's very good Excellent I enjoyed it That is very nice Okay Alright Um oh You know what we can do here Let me see I think What we probably should Yes, and now it's time for your sexual harassment update. It's been a while since we had a full-on sexual harassment updates But there are some moves things that happen and things are going down And we're on top of it then we start with a very contrasting report from the CBC in Candanavia

1:37:37 where they're not paying attention to in particular NBC and CBS the way we do here south of their border. But they have some interesting observations which have only marginally been discussed here. Their resignations were public, the backlash swift but can men disgraced in the Me Too movement return to the spotlight? Well, this week we saw some of the first steps towards comebacks. Comedian Louis CK returned to the stage for the first time since he was accused of masturbating in front of female colleagues Page six reported that fired Today Show host Matt Lauer recently told fans quote, I've been busy being a dad but don't worry. I'll be back on TV and for some time it's been rumored that former CBS This Morning host Charlie Rose is looking to host a new show where he interviews men brought down by the movement. Charlie Rose is a genius! He's a genius! How am I ever gonna get back?

1:38:41 Hold on let me open my bathroom for a second. How am I ever gonna get back? Oh, I have an idea I'll do a show about My colleagues tell me about this sexuality it's in your DNA no It's here behind my bathrobe so I thought that was pretty interesting especially the Charlie news I didn't realize that and it'll get on the air it'll happen It'll totally happen. And Matt Lauer, well it's too early now but he'll come back. This is America we love the comeback kid as long as you eat enough shit. As long as your not Cosby Ah! You know what if he played his cards differently could probably come back to but he's... Yeah but didn't play his cards He played very wrong because America will just forgive your brother don't worry about it and I think Louis C cake already has an excuse for that masturbation stuff

1:39:36 If he had said, you know because it was female comics. Yeah. He was masturbating in front of a female comic and if they see what he should have said was all I was read we always I was doing there was reviewing their set Okay right I'm surprised he hasn't hired you yet as his attorney Big moves over at CBS. This was breaking news this morning We do have a story that we should be sharing with people of course involving CBS, A company that of course there's been no shortage of reporting on lately What we can tell you this morning though is that the board of directors of CBS Is deep in settlement talks with the company CEO Leslie Moonves That would result in his exit from a company of course he has led for a very long time

1:40:27 It would also mean the appointment of Joe Iannello, the current COO of CBS as its interim CEO. This according to people who are close in the negotiations between Moonves and his board now that talks between Moonves and the board they've been going on for some time And they have yet to reach a conclusion given what appears to be a continued back-and-forth about about moonves's exit package while under his contract he's do as much as 180 million dollars in severance and a production deal. Sources tell me the board right now offering a package that would be roughly 100 million dollars made up almost entirely though not completely of CBS stock

1:41:07 Rest of it being cash, but it also wants the right to claw back some of that compensation if at the conclusion of an ongoing investigation into charges of sexual harassment Moonves has been found to have committed other inappropriate acts Yep. I like the clawback Provision that's a really good one because he fights that oh yeah something huh? You don't want the club back do you and we know your net bread bastard Well the clawbacks these guys like to do that because it's these numbers are outrageous they got it Something you gotta I mean this is there something going on here with moon vet and i think, it's the only who does it? To me that well hold on a second

1:41:55 It seems to me that once Lauer went down, the next thing you know you have these three networks. Lauer goes down and that damages NBC and who's behind it we don't know but the decision is made by somebody either the same people that took down Lauer or NBC's people to take down Moonves CBS because that's hugely damaging because Moonves is one of those guys who may or may not be a jerk but he's one of those guys actually in Scott Adams clip or interview, you're going to hear a little discussion of this sort of thing. Whereas it... A character that's so important to the company he's the guy who at some point or other says no let's not do that let's do this and those guys are you know they look like they don't have any major players until after they're gone then ABC gets dinged by getting Lasseter kicked out same kind of guy well here so

1:42:47 I came up with kind of a simple explanation for all of this because the Daily Beast has also been teasing they've got a huge expose on Weinstein, his relationship with Andy Lack the president over there at NBC News. Tucker Carlson is all over this he's dragging in Chuck Todd, that he must have known about it. They were all covering you know there's a lot of stuff going on about why they didn't report on it why they turned Ronan Farrow away and I think just from a simple perspective And this is based on other people I've spoken to about Harvey Weinstein who know him that and I'll go back to all, go back to what Pachanik said. He's just an ugly Jew boy who...and this i'm quoting him. Pachanik's a Jew so he gets to say that but that's what it says. Just an ugly Jew boy who figured out that you could get laid in the women would gladly screw him to get jobs

1:43:45 And that this network of guys at the top have been doing this for decades. This is the casting couch, I think that's what going on and you now see Asia Argento she's read... She has now flipped the whole story about her having paid off the 17 year old act and now says, you know, she was sexually attacked by him it's all coming off the rails and i think totally but i think sadly What has happened here is, you know through simple Pavlovian response mechanisms these men who have been at the top of their game and Trump is the same way! Come on this is the grabber by the pussy crowd it's not just Trump. Power is attractive You could be ugly

1:44:31 Our president can look pretty ugly at times. I'm sure he's not pretty naked, but look what he is getting! It's not just money it's power and its attractive and people fall for that and I think sadly what we've seen here is a lot of accusations and Weinstein may get off! He may actually get off scot-free because... No he has gotten off before. Ah yes I was waiting for that So maybe they picked the wrong targets, but instead of saying hey this is war between the networks which it could be in a way he's going down screw it I'm taking him down before I go down. I think they're all in it John and if they unravel that and they get anywhere deeper within ABC They may find some very very ugly stuff That's why I'm encouraged about this I'm encouraged because its hilarious Yeah exactly

1:45:22 So, and there's a beautiful silver lining to this for Megyn Kelly who made the step from Fox to NBC seen of course as traitorous because she went over to the lefty crazy side. And she has not found her footing miraculously they have not fired her She got The Stupid Daytime Show which was not been working No traction and all of sudden the genius of either Megyn I think it is her And I'm very, very proud she did this. She's decided to take on her own network to a degree of course but i do have a clip of her discussing this on her show As you heard in that report NBC News says now that quote there was not a single victim or witness to misconduct by Weinstein who is willing to be identified Moreover they say Rose McGowan had refused to name Weinstein and then her lawyer sent a cease-and-desist letter in August 2017

1:46:17 Late last night, Rose McGowan and Rich McHugh the former NBC producer both challenged that assertion telling Megyn Kelly Today that McGowan did go on the record with NBC in February 2017 after that on-camera interview with Farrell. And she did name Harvey Weinstein as her rapist Both McGowan and Rich McHugh say NBC had this on-the record, off camera assertion from McGowan for eight months. Long before her letter sent a cease and desist letter which McHugh says was communicated to NBC executives

1:46:54 In a statement to Megyn Kelly today, this morning NBC News responded as follows quote. As the interview transcript clearly indicates McGowan did not name Weinstein as her attacker on camera in February 2017 interview The first time Ronan Farrow submitted a draft script on this story was five months later on July 23rd 2017 If Farrell had McGowan on the record, but off camera before that date and wanted to proceed with airing the story. He did not indicate that to his editors within days of that July 23rd draft script being submitted. McGowan canceled a followup on-camera interview and her attorney sent NBC a cease and desist letter revoking all permission to use the first interview. Um it's there's a lot to unpack yeah uh but what

1:47:44 What we're seeing here is Rich McKeown. Oh, dynamite! She's putting a little... So hard! This is a great career move! Megyn Kelly you are genius! It was so hard for me to do this on my own network but I'm strong and can do this. Connecting with your own network? I love it! Yes! This journalistic integrity. This is what press freedom is about it's there's a lot of fired No, they can't fire her this is why so genius you're gonna fire her because she questioned your You know you bide your time nah but what?

1:48:21 What we're seeing here is Rich McHugh, who just resigned from NBC who was Ronan's producer on this story has now gone public with his accusations that NBC he claimed blocked the story. NBC vehemently denying that and saying they didn't have anybody, they didn't have anybody on the record who was willing to name him. And Rose McGowan telling us she was on the record that she was on the record for months and they didn't use a statement and you heard NBC's saying if that's true it wasn't communicated up the line um...and now you have right there that's a dispute now between NBC and reporters in this story but this is getting

1:49:01 It's getting really in the weeds and it's getting really uncomfortable. Oh, oh! So... so... ohh! It's like... ohh! It's almost like I have Braxton Hicks contractions. It's almost... it's like... ohhh! It's so uncomfortable. And I have to credit you and NBC for discussing it right here in this building today on Live at Massive. Brilliant career move. Outstanding. She is just outstanding You watch her fly now. This is gonna be great She's gonna be doing interviews everywhere about her tough stance against her own company And so but you know, this is what journalists do if she plays it right I don't know who's representing her But if she plays it right that's the way to go and we'll see and with all this just to wrap this up Let me make it real simple after We heard Twitter the Twitter stuff and we've all we all see what's going on in Twitter and we hear about this hashtag Me too stuff I'm going to take the veil away from your eyes

1:49:58 Because every human being on this earth either has or will cheat. You will have infidelity in your life Those who have been through it and it didn't turn out so well, you probably won't do it again Everybody has horrible thoughts about everybody else and given the chance to do that safely They will say it we're a-holes Happy Humanity Day everybody And this concludes your sexual harassment update It's actually putting the show in a down-nope Well, I can do some up stuff come on. I gave you just played it does the foamer again that brings us back to normal Oh yeah this is our go to Show level of humor back to normal yes, we do need that hold on You want to some climate stuff

1:50:56 Not really. I want to get some politics out of the way, which is no not more politics Wow Okay climate so what would the climates that was the latest climate thing that one of the tennis players lost? The game according to The New York Times because of climate change you see that Because it was hot and she took her better Oh better No, I didn't say he lost because of the war. Yeah, Federer... There's a New York Times article. Federer lost the US Open game because of climate change Trump! I knew Trump had something to do with it But how about the other guy won? How come they both didn't lose or die? I knew Trump had something to do with it Well now hold on let me just- I got two climate change things in the media which is always fun

1:51:36 I do not watch the show Elementary. Do you watch the show Elementary? Yes, I do well. I'm surprised You haven't brought this clip to the table then there probably was a clip I remember when recently that was gonna pull by never did this is probably it This is a FEMA flood map kidnappers were making redraw flood zones Care to let the rest of us in? FEMA, the federal government is in charge of determining the risk of flooding for everywhere in the country. I can hear Norman Lear tapping away at the keyboard! And maps like this break the flood risks down into zones red is the highest risk orange is second and so on they're used to plan emergency responses and to say who needs flood insurance and how much but with climate change and rising sea levels fema has been redoing all the old maps

1:52:20 Redoing all the maps. There's a staggering amount of data that goes into these maps. Staggering! And, lot of it comes down to statistical analysis The likelihood of X event happening in Y number of years Oh peanut- P values It takes forever I heard from a colleague recently that the maps we were working on back then are just entering the public review phase now. So your maps aren't official yet? No And your captors wanted you to change the math that Harlem was doing in order to make maps look different It's total climate gate storyline Yeah, it kind of was it wasn't as good as the other elementary clip if you recall that I played this is not a first time We visited the show somebody's writing these scripts

1:53:05 about the patent stealing. Where the government can find a good patent and they just steal it, you don't get credit for it? Oh yeah! That was just a couple shows ago Yeah that was elementary Ah okay Well you've spurred people on because I don't watch this show It was sent to me I enjoy these mysteries. I like to, I know the structure of a detective story and I'm always trying to see they break it very rarely but most time they don't and for people who like to watch these things or want to follow that basic theories of these stories there all the same and typically just for your information when you're watching one of these... Just so we know first for your health The first person you see

1:53:53 is the killer. The first person on screen is always the killer? Well not, I mean not the main characters but I'm talking about the first person that has anything to do with asking about their murder. Oh Bill's dead! That person did it. Is the guy who always does it and so when you So it's the way it is with, I'd say 90% of all detective story murder mysteries. The first person did and the rest of the story is all misdirection and the way elementary does it which I think is one of the best models they do misdirection and then the misdirection itself leads to the guy who did it who was the first person

1:54:33 And I find this story very well structured. Except it's completely deconstructible and therefore no fun once you know the formula? All detective stories are deconstructable, they're all the same Well, the CBC uncovered something quite literally that should be very alarming to all of us. It's been a summer full of records and extremes just take a look at BC the province is now officially dealing with its worst wildfire season on record in terms of hectares burned and that's meant smoky skies for much of Western Canada this is Calgary skyline sort

1:55:09 Let's not forget Montreal's deadly heat wave back in July, but we're not the only ones feeling the effects of extreme temperatures. Have a look at Europe where summer has felt like a modern-day version of biblical plagues and just when you thought Biblical Plagues! The warning signs couldn't get any worse bring in the hunger stones Located in the Czech Republic along the Elbe River, the rocks were used to record low water levels. But starting centuries ago when those water levels got dangerously low bad enough to result in droughts and terrible harvests past generations wrote notes on those rocks warnings to people of the future like this one a message from 1904 saying if you see me weep

1:55:53 At least a dozen of these hunger stones in the Czech Republic and Germany have now appeared. No one knows how many there really are." Oh my goodness, John! It was through global warming in 1904 what was going on back then? John all I know is that I'm reading another stone and here's what it says... You might die. The Hunger... I like the Hunger Stones. The Hunger Stones is great! I'd never heard of this. I liked it, and i think its a title for a book. Hunger Stones Yeah about a bunch of kids that kill each other with rocks yeah that's creative the hunger stones and that is your climate update everybody we're all gonna die

1:56:35 Play this clip because I don't remember what it is. This is the C. It says CBS and I must be CNBC Looking at fire idiot comments, so when you look at Bob Woodward's Okay yeah we should talk about this this is a Bob Woodwards got a book out called fire as his latest thing in that played I love this. I love the book, I love the op-ed and all of the whole story is great So some phony baloney Op Ed came out which is really about the book because they've everybody played it The same way all that's doing is confirming Bob Woodward's book It's completely...it's completely about the book If you want to just run through its very short. Its not long essay

1:57:21 But I just made, I wrote down some comments on it. Why bother reading it? Because if you listen to the ABC... well actually ABC, I didn't play though, I didn't clip the whole thing but ABC let me here's the background or this is the intro this a 45 second intro to what becomes for all practical purposes, a complete paragraph by paragraph reading of this stupid essay. But play this ABC clip first. saying, I work for the president but like-minded colleagues and i have vowed to thwart part of the president's agenda and his worst inclinations. The senior official writing in that letter we know what is happening adding quote there is a quiet resistance within the administration to put country first

1:58:20 Tonight the president tweeting just moments ago a one-word question treason and it all comes 24 hours after Bob Woodward's bombshell book ABC's chief White House correspondent Jonathan Karl leading us off. Yeah coincidence coincidence Jonathan Carl for all practical purposes reads the entire essay It is unbelievable I mean it goes on for five minutes now It was ridiculous. But on the other side, I think a very good two minute rundown of the whole thing which includes some clips from the essay not the book but it talks about the book this is The Insider Slam this is Hallie Jackson NBC who I think does a much better job still anti-Trump reporter but much better job than Jonathan Karl. An extra alarm see Inside Out

1:59:13 jaw-dropping charges against the president by someone who says they work for him. An anonymous source describing a secret cluster of top aides, quote, working diligently from within to frustrate parts of his agenda and his worst inclinations I would know the author writes I am one of them The New York Times late today publishing that op-ed, choosing not to share who wrote it but describing them as an official whose job would be jeopardized if their identity was revealed. The headline? I am part of the resistance inside the Trump administration. When you tell me about some anonymous source within the administration, probably who's failing and probably here for all the wrong reasons. If the failing New York Times has an anonymous editorial can you believe it? Anonymous meaning gutless a gutless editorial we're doing a great job The writer praising some of the president successes but arguing they've come despite not because of his leadership style describing half-baked ill informed and occasionally reckless decisions that have to be walked back

2:00:15 At one point, the official describes early whispers within the cabinet of invoking the 25th Amendment to remove the president. But no one wanted to precipitate a constitutional crisis. Americans should know that there are adults in the room, the person writes. We fully recognize what is happening and we are trying to do what's right even when Donald Trump won't The explosive op-ed echoes the portrait painted in a bombshell new book of a chaotic White House driven by dysfunction. Chaos! The president doesn't believe any of it. Everything on the Trump rotation dot com, trumprotation.com everything with very few exceptions on that list are put into these reports this like and but it's also in the article

2:01:04 Yes, in the article too. And it's like Trump rotation they still don't know how to focus on anything They need a lesson in formats and rotations They're just shotgunning the entire list that we put online which is trumprotation.com you can read it Everything that everyone said that's bad about everything except the orange faces in these comments and then when I play a later clip with John Kerry he manages to bring that If you look back at Woodward's past, he had the same problem with other presidents. He likes to get publicity and sell some books The book's author? Bob Woodward One of the most well-respected journalists of his generation whose reporting helped bring down Richard Nixon For the American people why should they believe you over Bob Woodward Well if you look at Bob Woodward's track record I mean he had the same problem with Obama Every time he wrote a book they were complaining about it They were complaining about the lack of accuracy Woodward tells NBC News he stands by his reporting

2:02:02 And the president tonight seemed to refer to that anonymous op-ed with a tweet of just a single word Treason and the press secretary is now calling the writer a coward saying whoever it was should resign all of it Lester capping yet another extraordinary and explosive day inside this West Wing. This thing is so multi-dimensional There's so many things at play here, including the treason and anonymous sources and chaos. And then please just add to that Bob Woodward who brought down a president every single member you see to every talking head you see on television dreams of Bob Woodward they've gotten into journalism because of Bob Woodward they want

2:02:49 Burns, Woodward and Bernstein. They want to be that so badly this guy is the Pope of news he cannot be questioned! Cannot! And the obvious collusion between the book and this op-ed...and I just want to pull a few things out of it... And the CIA Well yeah we'll get to that in a second So first of all The New York Times in their opening let's just because they gloss over that a little bit Here's what the Times said about their anonymous opinion editor. The Times today is taking the rare step of publishing an anonymous op-ed essay, oh it is an essay we have done so... What is the definition of an essay? It's you know a an essay it's like a short exposition of some idea or thought or something to promote as a million things but this is an essay most all op eds are essays

2:03:46 We have done so at the request of the author, a senior official in the Trump administration whose identity is known to us and whose job would be jeopardized by its disclosure. We believe publishing this essay anonymously is the only way to deliver an important perspective to our readers we invite you to submit a question about the essay or our vetting process here I just put a few annotations in there. In this note, there's the following... Well who in the White House at this point does not know? I'm sure that message has gone out hey the president actually said fake news

2:04:32 And maybe he added CNN in there once or the one or two times with a thousand times. He said it but okay Then there's this meetings with him veer off topic and off the rails, he engages in repetitive rants and his impulsiveness results in half-baked ill informed and occasionally reckless decisions that have to be walked back I believe this to be true from a certain perspective It may look that way because it is, but I think how the guy works he has a knack for finding the right people to be around him. Doesn't mind getting rid of them when they're not good enough or not performing and he doesn't really even blame them typically like its not working out, I look like a dick you're gone and he throws stuff out left and right, he's hyperkinetic and for some reason Tina and I were talking about this last night John we know lotsa people like this

2:05:25 Well, let me tell you a little Scott Adams anecdote. Oh good This story was breaking when I was showing up at Scott's house and we're talking about it for a little while It's not on the interview, but how is this crib by the way? Is that nice place like Did you meet his girlfriend and no she wasn't there if he get him married to her I don't do he didn't say okay And I only usually pry into that sort of thing. Yeah, I do yeah well you do He says I don't see what the big deal is this sounds because you know you have to remember that Scott and we talked a little bit about this on the show, but he he does office. It's basically all his Cartoons are about a guy in an offices or office environment And he's been into offices, and he knows that mechanisms He says I don't see that This is anything more than typically some guy bitching and moaning about his boss exactly

2:06:25 Which is exactly what I think too. This is like some grouser that says, I don't know how the guy's staying...I mean often in many of office environments thought the boss was an idiot! Absolutely pretty much everywhere but how about this? So why is this such a revelation all of a sudden? I'll give you an example my friend Michelle and you know Michelle because He owns the strip bars and the restaurants and the big entertainment complex in Guilford, and also the house near San Tropez where we have vacationed. And Michelle is illiterate. And he'll say, Adam could you please just write this for me? He'll hand his phone to write something a business text because that's how it does business like and I'm illiterate but i can't right I can't right I can barely read you know as I send him an article says just can you just call me and tell me what that he can't read in the guys wildly successful has time will not everything has tons of money

2:07:24 You know, not a worry in the world really. And I see his staff, I've seen his secretaries save his ass... His daughter! It's like daddy you can't do that, you gotta do it this way. Oh okay and he knows how to take drugs off the rails direction from other people it seems. I know people like this and it's odd and you see a lot in real estate, you see it in farming, do you see it in factories? Everywhere! You see it everywhere... you're right what am I talking about And so this is the style that works and successful or not yeah So there's just bitching about his boss My note actually said normal People are bitching about their boss

2:08:04 Now I have a couple of things to read from this thing, because I thought this was... So I believe this even though it's somebody bitching about their boss. I don't believe anybody...I still think this was planted by the agency because to get Woodward's book out there and the agency we know... Well one thing before you get into that two more things One, at the bottom it says the writer is a senior official in the Trump administration. That could be a lot of people to it is definitely definitely not military or military intelligence because of the entire two paragraphs about McCain his farewell letter we may no longer have Senator McCain will always have as example a lodestar a load star load a lode star what does a lode star well

2:08:52 Lodestone is what I know. No, lodestar! Consult the book of knowledge. I'll read the rest while you're looking that up. A lodestar... anybody who writes lodestar in my office should be fired for restoring honor to public life at our national dialogue Mr Trump may fear such honorable men but we should revere them that is not a military person no no or as well or stars a star that's used to guide the course of his ship it Especially Polaris. So nobody in their right mind would use that word. Guiding light would be a better term if you wanted to, if you were normal person. I'll tell ya, nobody wanted to follow McCain when he was landing trust me

2:09:34 Well, he killed... well there's a few words. Enough said! Enough said about McCain. So here I'm reading this again the CIA is notorious for kind of running The New York Times and there are plenty of examples on how that works Operation Mockingbird, it's out in the public. You can read about it. They put this in there again and Woodward is in the book A Family of Secrets everyone should have read this book by now. Woodward came out of military intelligence naval intelligence I believe where the word lodestar would be used perhaps Woodward himself could have written this and then...I'm not buying the whole thing. I mean I don't think they'd lie about senior official but it's possible that

2:10:18 Well, here's the result. No go ahead no keep going I'm sorry I thought you were just grasping Which is the... this is a scam Yes! I think that the two belong together and it's a scam and I have some thoughts I'd like to hear yours Let me read a couple of pieces from it You've read a couple Although he was now when I read them I'm gonna deconstruct this paragraph For one thing, nobody who is was very long sentences. Very the structure itself is not typical of a government bureaucrat senior official or not. I just say that although he was elected because editors come in maybe the editors did screwed with it although he was elected as a Republican Republican The president shows little affinity for ideals long espoused by conservatives wait a minute

2:11:09 He wasn't elected as a conservative. He was elected as a Republican, so now they've mixed up... So all of the sudden Republicans are conservatives or conservatives are Republican. They're synonymous and he was elected as a conservative by the way they structure this bullcrap! He was elected as a Republican. They got that right but then they switch it to conservative. He was, he shows little affinities for ideas long espoused by conservatives." Okay? He was elected as a Republican not as a conservative free minds I don't see any difference in free markets and free people. Free minds, free markets and free people

2:11:48 The things espoused by conservatives are liberty and freedom. So they got one of them in here, liberty and freedom and the Democrat side or the progressive side is the other one which is equality and justice this is a theme that was pointed out on the show long ago and freedom and liberty as though is the conservative side not free minds free markets and people free your mind And then your dress will follow. And he says, at best he has invoked these ideals in scripted settings and worse, he has attacked them outright. He's attacked it... Has he attacked free minds? Do you know of? Yes! He is living rent-free in a lot of them these days

2:12:34 Now as kind of a walk back that this guy did, or woman who wrote this thing. They throw these gratuitous compliments in just as code for something and I'm not sure why they're doing it. Just maybe so they can soften the blow of the critics So two paragraphs later he says, or she don't get me wrong. I would like to run this through. I have the feeling it's a man by the way that by their writing style these are bright spots that the near ceaseless negative coverage of the administration fails to capture these there are no, I'm sorry, they're our bright spots so you said Don't get me wrong There are bright spots and he mentions effective deregulation which took some leadership historic tax reform which took some leadership and a more robust military in more

2:13:21 But then he continues, these successes have come despite the president's leadership style which is impetuous adversarial petty and ineffective. If it's ineffective how do these things get done? Well he saying that the bureaucracy is doing it but to be your actually not going to do that tax break. Are you ready for me? Hit it! Do you have an opinion on who this is and what's going on I don't have an opinion on who it is, no. Okay, now I have an opinion of what went down It's just a theory Please address me as a conspiracy theorist because you are now a conspiracy theory and I'm proud of that moniker This was set up by John Kelly There were three people involved

2:14:06 John Kelly, who is Trump's handler on behalf of the Defense Intelligence Apparatus. It was really managing the guy and it was very tired but he manages the guy we know the military is running though The show right now. It's been CIA for eight years and now it's back to the military Involved were Kellyanne Conway and the Raj guy, and Trump did not know about it. And they set it up They gave Woodward all kinds of great things I'm sure Kelly called him a moron or whatever. I'm sure all of that happened because what is the message of the book? And what is accentuated to put the The exclamation point behind the message in The New York Times Is... It's a shit show

2:14:54 But there are adults in the room, there's nothing to worry about people. And that is in effect true. That's what Kelly knows because that's how things have been running and that's why things are actually getting done I think Trump got in on it, I think they told him and he might have gone a little too far with the treason they gotta tell but he'll be able to play that for a long time and that will change the news cycle everyone will be focused on can The New York Times do that? Is it treasonous? Thats why I think he invoked the T word Treason I think the message is, don't worry adults in the room as you can tell they're making stuff work. Hey we'll even take something off someone's desk off the guys desk if we have to and look how good everything is going! That's the message and I think it's a total set up. I'm not gonna argue the message I am going to argue the genesis because there has to be a middleman some schmuck some shmoe a schlemiel perhaps

2:15:49 who takes this and walks us to the New York Times. There's no way that the people you mentioned can take and walk this to The New York Times without getting busted for it. Right, someone is a very big patriot And is going to go down as a martyr. Somebody who maybe used to work for the Obama administration, plenty of them in there that can walk over there and they could you know they covered for him. Well it's probably the national security guy who already what's his name Dan Coats I think could be him

2:16:26 It could be. It could just it could be Larry Kudlow, it sounds a bit like the way Larry Kudlow would speak. No no they'd bust him but Larry Kudlow would I mean he loves Trump he wants to sleep with him. Yeah but they'd bust them and he would uh... He's frail, he's fragile right now, he's recovering. He can't do it! He's not in active duty And he's not one of those guys who thinks this is complex mechanism to sell Woodward's books. Well, Woodward wins no matter what yeah well he always does so you so okay So what you're saying is it did happen and? And the New York Times thought this was cute and they're idiots because they're actually sending You agree with the message, so they're sending that message Is that don't don't they want to screw the president as much as possible I think they don't think that dimensionally gotcha

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2:32:49 Okay, now there was something we were going to discuss that we had a set up about Chuck Todd and his article which he wrote about journalism. Okay can I get these clips out of the way and then i think we can go there? Yeah Because they're kind of semi-related. First I want to play the C, this is CBSN that's what that is it actually is CBSN This is the...I wanted make a comment about this show they have online It's like 24 hour news on CBS and this is the fire the idiot comment which seems interesting to me anyway but Trump

2:33:25 So, when you look at Bob Woodward's book, at least the parts that we know have been reported about. You break down some of the specific claims it is interesting defense secretary James Mattis denies he compared President Trump to a fifth or sixth grader chief of staff John Kelly denied calling the president unhinged or an idiot The president appears to have accepted those denial but How do these kinds of disclosures, these assertions in this book, how do they complicate the ability is a breakdown of trust, presumably. Now John Kelly has had to refute multiple reports about what he has said about the president, the ways in which he's characterized him and they have continued to be able to weather those controversies but do recall that when Steve Bannon made derogatory comments about the President's son and then meeting at Trump Tower with the Russians

2:34:27 in Michael Wolff's book that led to a very public and dramatic rift between the president and the former chief strategist in his White House. Now, now that was then and this is now. Steve Bannon of course different than John Kelly and James Mattis who have been a lot more enduring in their ability to continue and carry out their jobs But we'll see if there are going to be any ramifications from these comments that they say they haven't made. But again, it's anyone's guess. You'll recall also Rex Tillerson—it was reported that he referred to the president as an idiot and that was something that he did not necessarily deny. And that did continue in a road their relationship and eventually was part of the reason why he was forced out of the job

2:35:11 Now, I want to just say that I don't believe these guys are lying when they say they never said these things. I doubt if they did because the things that most of those guys are quoted as saying is right off the Trump rotation. Yeah someone said him on TV! Yeah but not necessarily Kelly and then they both denied it Tillerson would never deny it He just said he wasn't gonna talk about it. So Tillerson probably did call Trump an idiot, that's what I have to assume. Now the last thing I have for this whole thing series is John Kerry and their clips aren't too long but they're very short. John Kerry is the unluckiest guy in the world because- Look at that head! Well besides his head, the fact that he's got those weird eyebrows like a flake head... A watermelon head? I think he's a lizard

2:36:01 He just came out with a book. Oh, what? He has a book too? John where's our books? Book is like no one's gonna buy his book because he can't get any publicity so they didn't drag him on that the only reason he showed up on The Morning Show and they prefaced it I don't have the clip of the preface but they put John Dickerson prefaced it by saying Simon & Schuster's owned by CBS and that's why we've got this guy on So, I can't stand those words but he pretty much said that. He served for 28 years, including as chairman of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee. Most recently he served as President Obama's Secretary of State. He was a chief negotiator of the Paris Climate Agreement and the Iran nuclear deal. Kerry's new book is called Every Day Is Extra. It shares his life story from growing up as the son of a diplomat to becoming America's top diplomat decades later

2:37:02 Every Day is Extra, is published by Simon & Schuster a division of CBS. Mr Secretary good morning. Thank you John. That's under the guise of disclaimer like we're forced to do this! Speaking of the presidents and President Xi, you had an interview on Face The Nation to which... Hold on a second John. Was this at 2 in the morning? On CBSN? No no this is not CBSN this is The Morning Show Oh I thought it was online thing oh I'm sorry. No the online thing was the other clip. Okay gotcha. President Trump tweeted about you possibly running for president he said I should only be so lucky what's your response that

2:37:41 Well, you know the president I'm really not going to get into a back and forth on tweets. You know? I could give him a nickname Agent Orange or something and I can't get back and forth but it doesn't take too long. Oh wait! Wait wait wait whoa first of all i'm just giving you just um oh I can't give anything yet but To catch this that this guy has a book out and the reason you write a book is to run for president And he can't even, he has to go on his... you know the publishers have to make sure he gets some air time. This is I feel bad for him! It's pathetic. It's really sad and then well I could call him Agent Orange Oh my goodness people who have big heads

2:38:23 I can call him a big jerk, a guy's ugly bastard but i won't. A pussy grabber. uses tweets as a weapon of mass destruction and he obviously has exposed the world to the potential of a weapon of mass destruction in Iran. Hello 2016 called they want their memes back John Kerry by pulling out of a deal that everybody in the world supports so I I'd rather stay on the substance because he wants to distract it and get into a fight. I want to stay on the real thing Let's not miss his point though, because you're saying he hopes you run because he believes He could beat you is what he's saying What he says out of it look nothing he says can you can believe and you always know there's a different motive So let's not even get into that what's important is frankly in my book? I lay out the challenge to our country It's not it's not a policy book That's what's important. It's a story of a life

2:39:27 that shows how we can confront the challenge that we face in America today. Now, this is a kicker here that I thought was worth clipping out. And to me it was like the eye roller of the whole deal. That's really more important frankly than listening to a guy who as President United States can't even go to the funeral of a war hero He was uninvited! That's what i'm thinking he was not invited... he was uninvited and specifically told not to go

2:40:10 And so he gets slammed by this jerk? It's like 24 hours since John McCain was put to death. So the guy says he can't even go to the funeral, what is... Is this guy that out of touch that he didn't know what the situation was? I believe, I believe he didn't know! Oh newsflash they're all out of touch film at 11 So how do you tie this into Chuck Todd's article? You can do it. All right, well and there is a reason for doing this. September 11th is coming up in five days. You're going to be crushed to death with September 11 stuff and Truth-er stuff and you name it

2:40:55 We're not going to do that on the No Agenda Show, but I do have some history. Some recent history that I think is worth listening to understand the interaction between government intelligence sources and media and people who seriously are considered journalists New York Times journalist and are performing actual journalism Now, the reason I got on this is because somehow someone tweeted a link about this article that Chuck Todd had written. Apparently he's also a guest editor at The Atlantic which...I don't know what guest editor means if he has time for that and you know he hosts Meet the Press his prestigious spot You know he seen as some of that Tim Russert rubbed off on him And in his article which i presume you read John? I'm sure your Lib Joes have been talking about it No!

2:41:46 No, this is all news to me. I'm listening intently Oh it's titled It's Time for the Press to Stop Complaining and Start Fighting Back! Oh yeah no i knew about this Yeah sorry did read it And uh... The subhead is A nearly 50 year campaign of vilification Inspired by Fox News' Roger Ailes Always easy to blame the dead guy Has left many Americans distrustful Of media outlets Now journalists need To speak up for their work And paragraph two, there's a new kind of campaign underway one that most of my colleagues and I have never publicly reported on. Never fully analyzed and never fully acknowledged the campaign to destroy the legitimacy of the American news media

2:42:30 And so this whole thing goes on about how, you know everyone's a student of Roger Ailes and it's all discredited and fair and balance is uh... It's all tricks. And Trump is out to destroy everything and its 1984 George Orwell Everything! Everything's in there. We're journos and we're trying to save you America Screw America the world!! We are trying to save you Of course, we're journos. We're libjos Sometimes we get things wrong. We always correct and take responsibility No they don't Oh really Chuck Todd is what I thought So i decided to pull two clips from the archives The total will be about seven minutes of air time unless we interrupt them which we may want to And the first one Is from 2016 This is September 11th 2016 so we have not had the election yet

2:43:21 And Paul Wolfowitz, who was the Deputy Secretary of Defense during 9-11 is on the show. Now what you'd expect is for Chuck Todd to say man we really all got this wrong with the weapons of mass destruction with the aluminum tubes and as journalists we feel pretty screwed and it's like we're really sorry all these people died because we got it wrong in Iraq Is there any of that? No. All he does is deflects, blames everybody else — so does Wolfowitz by the way — and so after we listen to Chuck Todd not taking responsibility, not apologizing, blaming his inside sources then will go to the genesis of the weapons of mass destruction with an old Jon Stewart interview which will remind you

2:44:10 how refreshing Jon Stewart was in 2015 before Trump was on the scene and before everyone lost their mind. So first Chuck Todd with Paul Wolfowitz. Let me go back to this issue here we are at 9-11 it was mostly Saudis, Saudi nationals that flew those planes into those towers Nobody from Iraq. And there's a lot of people that look today and go, why was that our first action? Why was that... Yes we went into Afghanistan but why was that our first action and why didn't we ever hold Saudi Arabia accountable? Yeah, why didn't you report on it Chuck Todd?! You could make the case that a lot more Saudis were funding and fueling these terrorist attacks with Saudi money and things like that than anybody in Iraq

2:44:52 Look, there is a big problem with what the Saudis have been doing in propagating extremist versions of Islam. And I hope that people are right when they say the new crown prince or deputy crown prince. What concerned us about Iraq and people want to forget this but everybody believed and Saddam was doing his best to convince us that he had weapons of mass destruction. In fact, we knew he had previously had anthrax He had previously had sarin and was previously working on nuclear weapons And that is where we have the phony baloney anthrax scare in Florida because that's what we all knew That's what we all reported on because the inside intel sources told us... And made it clear after he was captured that he intended to start those programs again once the sanctions were lifted No I didn't! He was a real danger and thats why there was focus on weapons Hold on stop it

2:45:38 Saddam was denying that he said he says this is I'm making everyone think he had the weapons He was going out of his way to deny. You let the inspectors and Is he talking about it's lying and Chuck Todd is right there letting him blame other people? It was captured that he intended to start all of those and by the way, where's a journalist Chuck Todd saying what you just said? He's not their programs again once the sanctions were lifted He was a real danger and that's why there was a focus on weapons of mass destruction. And people say after the fact that Bush lied and got us into war, he wasn't lying he was saying what everyone believed. Who lied? Is it bad intelligence? You know somebody got us into this Now listen to Chuck Todd what he is doing like he had no role in this

2:46:21 And then, was it bad? But everybody believed it. Oh you mean like Russian collusion? Everybody believed it! It was everyone... We knew it! Yeah this is my point obviously. And somebody convinced the United States Congress that weapons of mass destruction were imminent in Iraq, which is why so many Democrats and Republicans voted for this war. So who lied? I think the original liar is Saddam Hussein who lied about what he had and we discovered he had more later it seems he was lying that he had more than you really did have because he wanted to supposedly deceive the Iranians. Fumble fumble... He said he had something yeah okay The fact is every intelligence service in the world not just the Americans, the British, the Germans Everybody!

2:47:03 countries that oppose him. 97% of all intelligence sources in the war all believe that he had weapons of mass destruction. Are you concerned? Essentially, we were wrong And if you think about the public... Have you ever considered we were wrong? Not Chuck Todd got it wrong, no. No, we were wrong because that's all your reporting is Chuck Todd is just parroting what you're told by your reliable sources and they got a lot of people killed Are you now concerned at this essentially we were wrong and If you think about the public's lack of trust for government right now That's one of the reasons, that's one of the things over the last 15 years when you talk about Wall Street's inability to be truthful to us and that now has undermined trust in government. Do you believe? Undermine trust in government! Now remember this is just before the election Wait wait What? What's trusting government got to Wall Street being dishonest with then what's he talking about Wall Street Let's listen to that again I wasn't focusing on the wall street part let me listen Lack of trust for government right now Back a little further

2:48:09 He wanted to supposedly deceive the Iranians. The fact is every intelligence service in the world, not just the Americans, but British and Germans The French countries that opposed us in the war all believed that he had weapons of mass destruction. Are you now concerned at this, essentially we were wrong and if you think about the public's lack of trust for government right now That is one of the reasons over the last 15 years when you talk about Wall Street inability to be truthful to us And that has undermined trusting government Yeah, he's just whatever he's doing. He's not saying hey Maybe the trust in the media was undermined because you kept telling us one thing and it turned out not to be true We didn't bother looking into it on the eve of the election where everyone said 95 98 percent Hillary Clinton is going to win Do you find it strange Chuck Todd that there's a loss of faith and trust in the media? do you believe that look I think it's done a lot of harm but I think in fact

2:49:09 stating falsehoods like saying that Bush lied about it does a lot of harm as well. I believe that if we had had a better strategy in Iraq from the beginning, if the surge type strategy been implemented from the beginning Iraq would look very different today people would see the whole issue in a very different light. Okay, so now again this was from 2016 just before the current election. Now we're gonna go back and this is my final clip and this is you know This really it's a piece of history but it was also so refreshing to hear Jon Stewart not be a blithering idiot and believing in what the intelligence sources said he is completely

2:49:48 undressing Judith Miller of the New York Times. Judith Miller is the one who wrote every article about the weapons of mass destruction, she was getting it spoon-fed from the intelligence sources and she's only blaming them! No responsibility on part of The New York Times but what's lovely about this clip is that you understand Welcome to Mr. Rogers neighborhood This clip is lovely What is what is lovely about this clip? Is that Stuart is real he's like no agenda the way he used to be before he got blindsided by you know Hillary not winning or whatever his problem was, whatever everyone's problem is. This is how it used to be on The Daily Show when we loved it with Judith Miller the woman who wrote about the weapons of mass destruction, the aluminum tubes and she's there promoting her book and he is going to pull her apart You wrote an article this is uh September 8th 2011 right? This was the big article that said

2:50:48 U.S says Hussein intensifies quest for a bomb parts you mean Michael Gordon and I wrote an article sure Front page in the New York Times next to a giant picture of never forget 9-11 It was right around the first there it is in memory of 911 front page the information came from The Bush administration yes broadly speaking, yes It came from intelligence analysts and people in the Bush administration, yes. It came from the Bush administration? Right. So you write this article... And you have somebody named David Albright who is your source for whether or not this claim is wrong

2:51:34 No, he wasn't a source. He's an expert? Uh... he is an expert Okay and he is the guy you rely on and trust to tell if this is wrong or right? One of several experts because opinion is divided And you have to ask a lot of different people He is the expert that you write in your book that you trust That you are desperately trying to reach Yes I was desperately trying to reach him Couldn't reach him So you just went with it Well because we had other sources Who were the other sources The guy in Bush's office Joseph who didn't name whom I name in the book. But not in the article? No, but I named Charles Delfer in the article. Right And who was the chief weapons inspector and we named Ahmed Chalabi and said that he was the man who wanted to take us to war so you could evaluate the information We had many many qualifiers Do we know that we are paying him? To spread that information? We had reported that many times So we know were paying them So we're paying or the Bush administration is paying these guys to spread information about Saddam Hussein's weapons of mass destruction

2:52:33 At the same time this is happening, Dick Cheney's going on television in August and saying there's a nuclear program. There are all these things and in September they begin what's called the White House Iraq Group Yes? And that's a group of Karl Rove Karen Hughes and all these people Gerson and their job is to sell the war to the American people because they're not buying it Can I just talk about aluminum tubes? Because there was something we knew that was new, that it was really spinning up the intelligence community. We didn't know what it was. Sound familiar? Oh! Something's going on and everyone is talking about it. Russian collusions

2:53:10 So you report that they've got these tubes. This Albright guy never calls you back, so you run with it? Now there's a phrase in your story on the 8th there where an unnamed source says we don't want the smoking gun to be a mushroom cloud right right That phrase do you know where that phrase comes from no because I only know that Condi Rice repeated it Right It comes from The White House Iraq group Well she is a member Five days before You write the article. But it's a very powerful line and it explains their thinking. Right, but it comes from Gerson It doesn't-it's a political line directly tied to the White House you said the information doesn't come from them John were we not supposed to report what it was that had the community The intelligence community so nervous about Saddam? No, you should have reported though in the context that this administration Was very clearly pushing a narrative

2:54:05 And by losing sight of that context, by not reporting... I think we did. The story said we did. Wholeheartedly disagree with you. That's what makes journalism. It is actually not what makes journalism so let us continue with this. So you don't run with the story when David Albright doesn't call you back he calls you back on that Tuesday and says there is something wrong with this right these tubes are not used for that they're used for rockets In your article on the 18th, which runs on page 13 not on page 1. Where and is still... I don't put pages.. I understand that but it's still entitled White House lists Iraq steps to build banned weapons It's stil titled something that seems like... Because the white house has just released another paper saying we have more evidence. Right. Belbrite calls you and said this is wrong? Right! Okay

2:54:56 You don't put that in that article. Why? I did put it in, and I said the community was divided...I didn't quote David Albright He said you could quote him by name Yes he did Why didn't you? I think the story got cut for space But I didn't you know look so in your original article you wrote in there David Albright, and they cut it. I don't taking no I really don't remember cuz on that story What you say in the book is I couldn't corroborate That's right because he said these are the labs right that have the people right? That have that have a different view of these two right oh

2:55:34 and I called, i must have called 10 or 15 people and nobody would talk about it so i went to David and said tell me one person who can corroborate this and we'll put this you know will make the story as long as he possibly can. We'l sell it! either couldn't or wouldn't there was a problem because David even though he disagreed about the tubes believed that Saddam had nuclear weapons program but the standard of proof in all this seems much higher on the side of this is not an issue and they're not a threat and much lower on the side of you are being fed but that's what the intelligence community began feeding feed you well it was obviously we're never gonna see eye to eye on it I mean up I appreciate you coming on the program these discussions always make me incredibly sad because

2:56:31 I feel like they point to institutional failure at the highest levels and no one will take responsibility for it. And they pass the buck to every individual other than themselves, and it's sad. I think they point to intelligence failures that I still worry about every day because we're still relying on the same intelligence communities to give us information about Iran, North Korea, Pakistan and the other countries that we have to deal with. Well, hopefully given the same effort we'll get to invade all of them soon. I hope we won't!

2:57:15 What happens in these situations where you have the intelligence community and the coziness that they have with the editors of The New York Times. Ah, yes, you're right! And there's plenty of stories about this up. What happens is that she gets to quote from some guy says yeah yeah yeah you can quote me and then he immediately calls the editors through some channel a back channel says hey don't quote me Exactly yeah oops and then okay, we'll take it out. Take out anything you say hey I was cut for space Yeah exactly so she probably did put it in but it was cut for space and that was that yeah It's good. Well is exactly what's going on now nothing changes? Yeah well that daddy dad is exactly my

2:58:04 Well, as you...as it was obvious. That's my point! It's like all this belief in the intelligence community and we have not learned that they sometimes really get it wrong and there might be agendas at play? This is the journos?! This is the people who are who we need to trust? Chuck Todd should be ashamed of what he's saying. I mean, it's really a travesty AND that's why we exist!! And there's clearly a need for what we do because people are supporting the show and we've been doing that for a decade. Despite there being more podcasts, more media, more news than ever... We're still here! AND we have a special show on Sunday for y'all The Dvorak Doubleheader

2:58:47 Make sure you check that out and remember us at Dvorak.org slash NA And the next time we speak I will be in Italy still, that'll be next Thursday and I will remember to have the clip of Kamala Harris and Sheryl Sandberg Until then coming here from downtown Austin Capitol The Drone Star State FEMA region number six on the governmental maps in DeSho Elementary In the 5x9 Cluedio in the Common Law condo, in the morning everybody. I'm Adam Curry and from Northern Silicon Valley where times run out! I'm John C. Dvorak We return with our Dvorak doubleheader on Sunday until then Adios Mojos! Okay... Well... Eh? Hmm?! Sanford just shot by

2:59:58 Early no right on time. That's exactly the time it should be coming by 15 minutes after 9 Did you hear that horn not a foamers delight What was cool about there's a freight train on the other track going in this direction just pass like we're standing still Wow so cool You ready? Almost. Trying to get over the coolness of another train on the track, and-and-and the zebra went by and it looked like we're standing still I mean... Holy crap man! Holy moly That's just so cool OMG Man great. Man let's do this! Oh my god listen to that horn!! Not a foamer's delight

3:01:00 So however long people want to take, we're going to

3:01:43 Because this whole process is supposed to be a civil one where people get to ask questions and we get answers. It's an undermining of the constitutional role, which we have all sworn in oath to uphold. To answer every question about his role in almost anything he has done in his lifetime I assume But as President Obama famously said elections have consequences. But frankly, we're not here to consider you as the president of our neighborhood civic association or even to review whether you've been a great youth basketball player. That should come within time. He wrote a big book which I will never read. I know the man. He does things because it's the right thing to do

3:02:36 He will grab you by the pussy. He will grab you by the pussy. You stop! Grab you by the pussy, he will grab you by the pussy. Talking to you now! Grab you by the pussy. Meow meow! Grab you by the pussy. Don't go anywhere! It's like 24 hours since John McCain was put to death. Oh my god! Listen to that horn!