Bunny Wars

00:00 I'm doing a side hustle. Acting as your belt of truth and breastplate of righteousness and broadcasting live from the capital of the drone star state Austin Tejas in the Cluedio in the morning everybody I'm Adam Curry and from northern Silicon Valley where it's pouring rain and I'm pouring tea single-source autumn flush Darjeeling I'm John C. Dvorak Well, I just heard podcast players around the globe turn off for the people who thought let me check out that no agenda show. The hell are those guys talking about? The overshot by looks like one word. That's all right. I used your from your newsletter. I used Ephesians 1018. Did you hear six? 1618? Yeah.

01:01 Act as your belt of truth and breastplate of righteousness. Yeah, nice. Very nice. And may I compliment you on a double Easter egg in the newsletter? There were two? Yeah. Well, one was hiding in plain sight. One was the boob donation. Oh yeah. Which is always one of the album covers. But the better one was the album cover of the guy taking a shower or something with his, you know, just his naked chest and underneath you put Scoble. Tina said, who's Scoble? What is this? What is a Scoble? Like, did you dredge up the picture? Yeah, of course.

01:47 It was very funny. Congratulations. I'm sure more than two or three people got amused by that. It was without a doubt. And you've been on a tear. You had your column, you plugged the show in your PCMag column, very good. Oh, that got in? Good. I didn't see it. Yeah, it did. You said, my podcast partner, Adam Curry. And then you went on to say like how I couldn't figure out our Amazon stuff. No, I never said that. I said you were having some difficulty because the system was screwed up. Right, and then you said, I fixed that later. You did. You claimed that you fixed it. Well, that was an editing mistake. I didn't say that in the original column. Okay, just so you know, everything this show does, everything all... I mean, I have the clips. Everything else on Amazon, if Amazon goes down, which is the crux of your column, we're screwed. There's just no show notes. We're done. Over and out.

02:44 Well, the crux of the column was exactly that because no one ever considers this I consider it a lot Well, you consider it but a lot of people don't I don't think and they you know They get the glacial service and they put all their backups up there and they don't worry about it. Yeah, yeah, the glacial service, exactly. Yeah, I like that a lot. And they think, well, this is great. And they used to say, the trigger for that column was partly you saying, well, you know, Amazon's a good bet because they have to keep their own. Yeah, if they go down, then their own shit goes down. They lose billions a minute or something like that. But no one considers the fact that they just, because it's happened. Other companies have done this. They just say, you know,

03:28 We're done. We're done. Shareholders, here's your money back. We're done. We're just gonna quit. We're gonna go. Well, that's what we should get into face bag in a moment. I'd like to first mention that the Boston bomber, the South by bomber has been killed. He blew himself up, we think. And it was this whole story was I got it. So I got a bomber. I got to tell you because I was It was, was it Sunday night? Yeah, of course, show day. And we had the FedEx explosion, another one was found at FedEx, and then there was an incendiary device that went off in a Goodwill, which immediately was pegged as the bomber strikes again for at least an hour and a half before they figured out it wasn't

04:10 a bomb, but it was an old World War II thing, whatever. And we're sitting there and it's very weird to be in downtown Austin and have the news reporting how all of Austin terrorized tonight. And I looked at Tina and I said, Are you terrorized? She said no, she said I'm worried and I did find myself honest to God driving behind a UPS truck and taking an extra 10 yards distance. on the road. Do you think the truck's gonna mow? I don't know, you know, I'm just driving and I'm like, oh man, what if they all... you know, you see the doors in the back? I would say that qualifies as you being terrorized. It was kind of, yeah. Yeah, it did feel a little bit like that. But this thing was just so incredibly strange and then I guess... Well, a couple of things. What I found most interesting is how the police used Google search history, which apparently they got a warrant for. They used cell phone triangulation

05:11 and receipts. And that's how they were able to track him down. And also I think the fact that he used some specialized batteries that were not something you just, you know, not your typical purchase. And so that's always a mistake. So they went to the the cell phone operators and said okay in this area where we had the tripwire bomb What cell phone numbers popped up? And so they you know, they looked in that time frame and then they just selected those numbers and I guess they just went into their little database or maybe they got a FISA. I don't know what they did not a FISA one. They got a warrant and And from that, then they had his IP addresses from the phone and from that they went to Google, if it's all true. And it was apparently local Austin law enforcement, not the FBI or ATF, which I found surprising. You know, it's all local Austin claim for this. Yeah, they're still working on the Stoneman, Parkman, whatever it is, school story. They can't afford this new story so the FBI wasn't going to get involved.

06:12 Yeah, I also thought it was you know kind of good for you know potential Amazon And we're still vying as an Amazon City like hey look how we solve everything here. We take care of our bombers here Don't worry Amazon. You can come on in it's safe. Yeah, I ain't happening It's not it's not and then once we find out who this guy is Of course he fits the profile as we know it's all white men who are doing everything bad. We are the terrorists and But there's something that kept cropping up as kind of the first thing that people would mention. Yeah, Jesse and we'll continue to monitor that press conference's motive. Do you think that there's anything in his background? I mean, he has no criminal record. He was not in the military. He was homeschooled by his mom. No political party on his voter registration. But a guy that was an electrical engineer. Gone bad. Very bad.

07:08 Oh, that's interesting. How old was this kid? 24. He looks like he's about 16 from his photo. Yeah, he's 24. Tucker Carlson, I don't have the clip, but he also started off, everyone's about homeschooled, homeschooled, homeschooled. Yeah, trying to go after the homeschoolers. And it's surprising to see how many people agree that homeschooling is bad when you just peruse through the face bag. A little disturbing. Doesn't take much. Like, yeah, oh yeah, crazy. Homeschooled, that'll do it. So yeah, but it was nice to see that we had all this information about the guy and we had his what we still don't have his motive apparently left a 25 minute voicemail message or something they called the cell phone record all the bombs in some detail maybe couldn't get a job as an engineer and he's trying to prove he can be a good engineer. Well, he was he was homeschooled as an electrical engineer, right? He went to Austin Community College.

08:10 He has to go to a college at some point to get a degree. That's where he got his degree. But he's in a community college, he's not an electrical engineer, he can't get much of a degree there except his associate degree. Right. You know. So anyway, it's over. Yeah, it was short-lived. It was interesting to be at ground zero for once. I, you know, just I was in Washington, do you remember that time they had this guy floating around? This went on for about a month or two months or I don't know how many months. It was a goat went on for a long time where there's this guy shooting people randomly around Washington DC. Yes, yeah, yeah, from the trunk of his car. The guy was in the trunk of the car and there was a hole in the trunk and the rifle

08:55 you know, came out of the hole and they'd shoot people randomly all over the place. And everyone was in a tizzy. I was in DC during that moment. And I remember, uh, same thing that you and the truck, and I, so I shouldn't be ridiculing you because I, when I went to get, I had to get gas in this car, I'd rented and, uh, So I put I put the I looked at the pumps and figure out which pump I go to and then when I got there And got by the car with the hose into the car. I looked around to see there's any you know, what's my visibility? How big of a target am I? Yeah. Yeah

09:35 Yeah, this is something you do. It's not a big deal. I mean, I wasn't freaked out. I just was careful. Right, right. But with these packages, it was just kind of, you know, I'm very cavalier. I, I, you know, with packages, people send me stuff to the house all the time. Like, oh, I'll just open this up. Is it in front of your door or do you have to pick it up downstairs? Yeah, UPS often leaves it right at the door. They go up the elevator? Yeah, UPS does. FedEx does sometimes too. It doesn't sound safe. And I think it's because those guys just like cruising around the you know, just they don't want to be out driving It's like I'll just drop these off. I don't know. Maybe they're visiting people here. Hey, baby. It's me again FedEx guy How you doing? Toping it run India. Well, it's the modern version of the mailman. Oh

10:24 Yeah, kinda. I do know we had a UPS guy here. He still works the route, but he was, he looked like a male model. And about 10 or 15 years ago when all these, during the dot-com thing, everyone quit web to join Webvan and all these other things, but he stuck around. And he was funny because besides looking like a male model, every once in a while he'd come to the door very late. All disheveled. And so... I was down the street, man. And like, it took me a little while. So he would be delivering till seven, eight o'clock.

11:06 It's quite funny. Yeah, well we got hot chicks in the building obviously 29 here on the 29th floor Yeah, yeah, and then we got an Instagram star in the building. So you do yeah, I forget her name, but she No, she just fashion Instagram star and so yeah, so she she gets paid by makes more money than you do Oh, yeah, she's on the 38th floor. She got dogs of course and See you in the elevator sometimes like good dogs. Did you should introduce yourself? Do you know I'm the pod father? If it wasn't for me, you wouldn't have your job Now give me that dog oh Boy well

11:56 Oh, by the way, while on the topic, I might as well play this clip. I don't have a lot of clips today. But I do have one that, you know, here we are again, kind of blowing it or not blowing it, depending. But there's a new new ABC sitcom. Oh, yeah. Okay, let me check it out. Alex is a family man starting his own podcast Why someone with a good job a wife two kids and a dancer's body would do something so risky That's because no one can tell me what to do Sorry, honey Now the real work begins. Why are you wearing security blanket on your head security? Zach Braff returns to television is dad drunk. No, sweetie. Not yet New comedy premieres next Wednesday on ABC Yeah, I've known about this about this show and it's very sad You know when when you help invent something you create an entire sector profession and then basically with this sitcom

12:58 Podcasting is now the mall cop of broadcasting Exactly Everybody I'm your mall cop of broadcasting. I'm known as a pod That's right. That's where we are. We're not much better than that. I'm sad. They didn't give me a cameo that would have been warrants This thing could run for decades you get a cameo. Oh I have a feeling a sitcom about a podcast doesn't have a decade run in it. I get the same feeling. Color me crazy. Let's season if we're lucky or not lucky. Oh man.

13:38 So last night, and neither of us got a clip from it, which is kind of too bad, because I thought you'd have at least one. And I just ran out of time. No, I missed it, because I didn't see it. Oh, so it was on the Anderson Pooper show, and it's very odd, it aired at night. I don't watch CNN. You're the CNN guy, because on CNN you've got to get it. I feel bad I didn't get it. Yeah. It was, I mean, there wasn't that much to it, because it was completely contrived. The interview was done by this fangirl, who I've never seen before. Maybe you know who she is. Her name is Lauren Siegel, S-E-G-A-L-L. She's the senior tech correspondent for CNN. And yeah, it's very hard to get any information on her. She doesn't even have a wiki page. That's how entrenched in tech she is.

14:29 There's one of these, you know, cute girl, you know, goes to interview Zuck, smiling at him. So, Zuck, tell me what went wrong. I should have gotten these clips. Tell me what went wrong, Zuck. She was just licking him. And you know how this went because, you know, Facebag, just like Apple, they will only allow interviews tightly controlled with friendlies. You know, I'm sure you know about this. Oh, yeah. You don't see me interviewing him. No, and so you have the questions are known his answers are you know thought about for sure? I think he made some mistakes and what he said

15:08 Just about you know. Oh, we we we shouldn't be talking about should we be legislated? But what kind of legislation like okay? And it was just fun watching the face bag stock. You know this roller coaster ride down Down I told you this would happen I told you that I told you they were going after face bag And I think what's happened here is now that the Robert Mueller extraction exercise which we'll get to later You know it's just not delivering the goods on collusion any collusion any collusion So it's face bags fault. Yeah, that's the ticket and with that all of a sudden people are discovering There are thousands and thousands of apps out there who connect to face bag that steal your data Gee what a revelation. It's not even stealing you give it to them with your knowing consent Yeah, you have to you have to click the approve. Oh

16:04 There's anyone when you any app that you install even on your phone It tells you what it's gonna go doing gonna go be doing that's the screen you click OK without reading Everybody knows that well, it's a list. You read it. I usually read it says Oh, you're gonna go after my GPS my contacts like I don't care by the way with with apps That's a little confusing. It's not just an app on your phone Facebag considers an app to be and I love this when people do oh Oh, oh, can you name all these top 10 songs? How smart are you at history? Those are applications, web applications that once you click on that and go take the fancy quiz, which you can then share with your friends how smart you are, the only reason for that entire quiz is to take your data and in the past to take all of your friends' data. Yeah. That's what it is. If you can do it.

16:59 It's not that hard. It's built right into the API. It's hard if you've got no connections, if you're not on Facebook, if you don't have this and you don't have that, it's not that hard. It's very hard. You can't do it. Yeah. You have to be a sucker in the first place. Let's first go back to 2009 just to understand the genesis of Facebag and Dada, which is the new bacon. This is Mark Zuckerberg on the BBC. People will have a say and be able to give any feedback they want on the rules and regulations that govern how we develop the product. So who is going to own the Facebook content? The person who puts it there or you? The person who's putting the content on Facebook always owns the information and that's why this is such an important thing and why Facebook is such a special service that people feel a lot of ownership over. This is their information, they own it. And you won't sell it? No, of course not. I mean they want to share it with other people.

17:52 Um, with only a few people. So just to be clear, you're not going to sell or share any of the information on Facebook? What the terms say is just, we're not gonna share people's information except for with the people that they've asked for it to be shared. That's exactly what it says. Yeah. But you don't ask for what a nice catch It's well. Well that was nine years ago, so what yeah exactly I get a little backgrounder here on what happened with the bag stock Facebook is having one of its worst weeks as a publicly traded company a share sell-off continuing for a second day Facebook on Facebook under intense crew she almost said face bag. She said face balka close go back play it again

18:38 Facebook Facebook Facebook Facebook I don't know why, I thought it was funny. Facebook under intense scrutiny since reports that former Trump campaign consultant Cambridge Analytica used data including user likes from roughly 50 million users to try to sway elections. Now this is a problem. According to BBC, let me see, do I want to use this one? No. The problem that they have, which was kind of looming over their stock throughout the week, is they have a dissent decree, no, consent decree with the FTC about using data which was very specific and now there's an investigation being opened.

19:27 Is the issue here Facebook hasn't been forthcoming at how accessible all of our data is to people? Okay, number one, they are under a consent decree with the FTC from 2011 where they said that there were privacy issues then and that every violation would be 40,000 bucks. That's a lot of money if you count all 50 million. The reports are the FTC is opening an investigation. So that's And that is CNBC which is only it can take it so far with its credibility But Bloomberg had a similar report this morning breaking the news about the FT breaking the news John Breaking the news! Breaking the news! This morning breaking the news about the FTC looking into possible violations of a 2011 consent degree relating to user data. Can you explain what is this? What was the 2011 incident under which Facebook may have violated its obligations?

20:22 The important thing to note here is that we have no federal data privacy law. Our agencies have their hands somewhat tied in how they look at these issues. The FTC did put Facebook under a consent decree in 2011 because it had previously allowed user data to be shared without getting consent from the users. Now, they're required, before they share any data with third parties, to make sure that people are able to give what they call explicit informed consent. Which is that screen that you click on. So, you have to be aware of what... Yeah, that's your explicit consent. Okay. ...data they're going to be sharing, and you have to be able to say you're okay with it or you're not okay with it.

21:04 So because they have Facebook under that consent decree, they can now look at the Cambridge Analytica situation and ask questions. What happened? Did Facebook violate terms of that previous agreement, and what did users consent to and what did they know about how their data was being used? So that is going to take a little while. We understand that Facebook has received a letter from the FTC, according to your sources, and that it's sort of a formal, full-fledged investigation, but they're starting to look into this matter and ask the questions about what happened.

21:41 And what, if any, enforcement teeth does the FTC have in a situation like this? If the Facebook were found to be in violation of that decree. The Facebook. Nice. Actually, because of the consent decree, if they find violation, they can fine them up to $40,000 a day per violation. Maybe it doesn't sound like that much with a company that makes billions of dollars. But if you start to add up violations and days, it could quickly run into the millions. if they find a violation. So that's $40,000 per day per violation, especially given a Facebook user base, that could be pretty hefty. Oh, that pretty hefty. Ain't happening. This is nonsense. By the way, they keep, they keep beating around the bush about what they're talking about, what happened in 2011, which is Fraley versus Facebook. We have one of our producers that was involved in this class action suit. And if you remember,

22:37 This was, I'll read it from the, from the wiki page. Uh, is a class action suit filed in California against Facebook, alleging misappropriation of Facebook users names and likenesses in advertise called sponsored stories. We all remember this. Yes. The case resulted in parties reaching a settlement. So all these millions of people, this is, you know, they're talking about $40,000 of violation. And the guy who was one of our producers got his check $8. 15. Fifty checks for $15 were distributed to class members beginning in November 17th. By the way, they had to wait till 2016 to get the check. Nice. Yes. Lawyers, meanwhile, bought their own island.

23:19 Oh, yes, really paid out on the deal. So just for the background for people who are new to the program, and I think most NOA Agenda producers understand how this works. But this was the big deal in the advertising and message. I can just say communications messaging PR world, which is what we're talking about. It was the social graph. Do you remember John the social graph? I do remember and that was and I actually put in another among a bevy of bullshit I Put the API for the social graph into the show notes. You can go take a look at it It's just plain English forget the commands that you have to perform, but you can see exactly how it works And to this day you still can get a person's friends list through you through the API You can't you don't have access to their

24:08 to their entire profile and information the way you do if you give your permission. And that is a change, but if they're using the same app, then obviously, you know, that is allowed, but I guess you kind of have it already. But this is like nothing new, and we've been rather underwhelmed with all of this from an advertising perspective. I mean, honestly, all we still see is products that I just purchased. I mean no one has really come up with anything so fabulous for advertising and if anything advertisers are walking away. You know Johnson & Johnson, Procter & Gamble, Unilever, they're all you know cutting back their spending. We don't see the results, we don't see a return on our investment. So to now think that

24:57 This unbelievable first, what was it first? It was data breach, it was theft, it was a whole bunch of things. Well here, let's play this clip just as a little respite. This is from the PBS NewsHour and this is Amy Klobuchar who's on the committee along with Feinstein and a whole bunch of people that they were trying to get the Grassley's committee. They're all trying to get Zuckerberg, by the way, I will be taking bets on this. Zuckerberg is never going to testify before Congress. Well, this was a question yesterday in the CNN interview, and instead of saying yes, he said, we at Facebook always want to make sure the right person with the right information. Sheryl Sandberg will be testifying. Thank you. She's got to be.

25:46 Oh yeah, she's the one. She's the go-to girl. She's from SES. She is part of that senior executive stuff under the government. It's a home game. She's a government gal and she may be a CIA gal too for all we know. It's a home game. Breach is a breach. The newspapers say the firm used that information to target political messages. We're now joined to talk about this by Senator Amy Klobuchar, a Democrat from Minnesota who's on the Senate Judiciary Committee. Senator, thanks for joining us. Thanks, John. I know you earlier today you sent a letter to Senator Grassley, the chairman of the Judiciary Committee, with your Republican colleague John Kennedy of Louisiana calling for hearings and calling for Mark Zuckerberg to be called to testify. Have you heard back from the chairman? Do you have any sense of what? Just to interrupt for a moment, what I've noticed is the way media heads talk about Zuckerberg as if he's a global leader.

26:41 I mean, seriously, you watch and pay attention, it's like, oh, is he going to come? Will the Zuck come down to testify? Man, I don't care what it was about. If I was asked to go to DC to testify, I'd be like, yeah, that sounds like fun. Yeah. Absolutely. I'm there. I'm your man. I'm your go-to girl. GRRRL. we one, have a hearing about Cambridge Analytica and get the head of Cambridge Analytica there, but also do a hearing focused on the social media heads because we've heard from their lawyers and their lobbyists and Senator Kennedy and I Thursday before this all blew up had asked Senator Grassley for such a hearing. And the reason that we did is that one, we see this political season upon us and we believe that you need to have a full

27:49 vetting of what's going on here. We have ads that don't have disclaimers, ads that don't have disclosures. We spent over $1 billion in the last election. It's forecast to go to $3-4 billion in candidate and issue ads in 2020. And there are no rules of the road. So that's one thing. And the second, of course, is this data breach. And I'm tired of hearing it's not a breach. You know, it doesn't matter if someone breaks into my apartment with a crowbar Or if the manager gives them the keys. If they take stuff out of it, it's still a breach. Wow. Under-informed woman of the day. Yeah, she's the best. And have you noticed this, I'll call it a conflagration between advertising and

28:38 psychological messaging. Psychographics. Psychographics, thank you. That's the word I'm looking for. It is the new hot term. So there's a big difference there. I first heard that term in 1975. It's still hot, baby. You should be writing a book about it. Too late now. Psychographics, yes. So there's this very easy transition between what Cambridge Analytica actually does. I think we have a pretty good understanding of what they claim to do. Like, okay, we figure out who you are and then we're going to make sure... The claim is make sure that you get all these crazy messages, fake news stories, but yet everyone's talking about the Advertising Accountability Act.

29:20 Which is, you know, the only legislation I know of so far that in the way it's explained to me, I have to see it first. The way it's explained is, well, just like on television it has to say, I'm Donald Trump and I approve this message. And so for some reason that's a big deal. I think there's going to be a lot more. Can you just say I'm Donald Trump and I don't approve this message? Is that still okay? I think that would be very funny actually. Yeah. At least it makes it clear. So this all kicked off with a whistleblower, or a so-called whistleblower. A sketchy whistleblower. Well, he's not even sketchy. A, he didn't work at the company when they were doing any deal with the Trump campaign, if anything was done at all. And this guy is such an obvious shill.

30:10 And not like a shield like he's being paid to do it But he's been pushed forward as a hero and just look at him pink hair nose ring Like the way he talks like okay He is virtue signaling and I had to take this interview and cut it into a couple of parts because it shows you how flimsy this whole argument is besides the actual facts of it and It's like this is happening all the time and it's not that successful to our knowledge, but here is a Christopher Wiley on the today show Christopher Wiley is with us now from London Christopher. Good morning. Thanks for being with us. Hi. Hi. It's good to talk to you. As we just saw you

30:51 You've said that Facebook obtained, improperly obtained, data for up to 50 million Facebook users and the point of this was to develop personality profiles and then target political advertising to them. My first question is pretty... Now notice what she says, political advertising, but that's not what is really going on here. Simple. To your knowledge, did the Trump campaign in 2016 use that improperly accessed data? Well, let me be clear. I left Cambridge Analytica before it joined the Trump campaign. What I do know is that the company had been in talks with Trump before Trump had even announced his candidacy. But you'll have to ask Cambridge Analytica directly if they were using... Now, how can you be classified as a whistleblower if you not only don't work there,

31:43 But you didn't even work there when the so-called infraction occurred. How can... it's not a whistleblower. It's just a former... it's just a former employee. That's it. That's it. Former employee that doesn't know that much because he wasn't there at the time. Why are we interviewing this guy? Why does it sound like... This is the new Today Show, by the way, which I can't watch. I can't watch Savannah, who's brain dead. She used to be just a newsreader. And Hoda, who's really a personality type that should have worked with Kathy Lee Griffin most of the time, joking around and drinking, you know, mixed drinks. Yeah, that's fun. That show's pretty funny.

32:21 I think it's a great show and I think I didn't realize until recently I think I always kind of knew it but Kathie Lee Griffin Gifford and I would say the same thing about Kelly Kathie Lee Gifford Kelly Kelly Lee Griffin Kelly Lee Griffin and the other one Rippa Those two women and Rippa I think got her chops from Kathie Lee and also Regis because Rippa and Kathie Lee are fantastic Broadcasters yes, I totally agree. They're funny. They're like on it. They got the right snide attitudes. They got punchlines Yeah, they're kind of mean-spirited in a very funny polite way. It's absolutely I can't I really don't like to turn those shows on because I get riveted and

33:05 So I don't watch him that much. But those two definitely should consider doing a podcast for sure. But you'll have to ask Cambridge Analytica directly if they were using this misappropriated data for Donald Trump. But what I do know is that this was the foundation of Cambridge Analytica. Cambridge Analytica was founded on misappropriated data of at least 50 million Facebook users and I want to to bring attention to that so that people understand that their data is being used improperly by this company that has also been You know in in talks with Russian oil companies. Oh that was using

33:46 psychologist who is going back and forth between London and Russia also working on projects that were funded by Russian funds in Russia on They were they were funded by Russian funds in Russia. Oh, no Oh, maybe he should have added rubles. Also working on projects that were funded by Russian funds in Russia on profiling people and their personalities. So I think it's really important for Americans to know what this company has been doing with their data. And it's really important, I think, to find out was this data used to help elect Donald Trump? You know, you can't find much information on this, Jamoke.

34:24 I wonder if he doesn't work for Facebook right now. Instead, you know, just to throw this, all of this, you know, the sidetrack really, misappropriation of data, etc. Oh yeah, well I've always, my thinking has always been that Facebook saw this as income loss. Well, yes. Because Cambridge Analytics did a workaround. Let's make sure that we do it properly. I'm despising the talking heads who keep saying Cambridge Analytics. It's Analytica. Yeah, Cambridge Analytica, thanks. Cambridge Analytica did a workaround. Instead of having to buy this data from Facebook and spend probably God knows how much money, which I'm sure they could get,

35:09 Because Facebook's up for sale. They sell this stuff. That's the idea. Yeah, that's their business. He talks about it constantly. Yeah, it's his business. Instead, they did a cheap trick. By creating this app that kind of went in and just did scraping it went in there, and it's like no no no no no no no Stop that's incorrect John. That's you're wrong about that This was a part of the API that they changed at the time You had the app and you could get the social graph the entire social graph of all of your friends now They've limited that but it was not scraping. This is what everybody was doing you could bring it right in there wasn't the the part that was not legal and

35:48 is the professor who did the study then transferred that data to a third party. Whether he sold it, gave it, I think is irrelevant. Well, that's what happened. So there was no scraping, please. Okay, we won't say scraping, but they sucked the data out using the API. Yeah, suck my data. Yeah, precisely. So they sucked it out. Legally. Well, see this is the part I'm not clear on. Was it legal to take the way they did it? Yes, yes, yes, yes. The way they... Because they didn't pay for it. The way they... No. In the early days of Facebag, the API allowed you to not only get all your information, but... And you can see it in the API handbook. It's like all these different pieces that'll pop up as you have to give... The user has to give permission.

36:34 And in the early days, you automatically with the API then got the same information from all of that person's friends. That was completely legal. Nothing wrong with that. The professor who then, you know, you sign an agreement with Facebag. Okay, it's the same thing now. You're like, I won't disparage Facebag. I won't use your logo inappropriately and I'll do everything properly and I won't transfer the data. So that's the only thing that he did wrong. But getting the data, tens of thousands of developers, now you can still get all your data if you participate in that silly thing.

37:11 But and you can get that person's friends list, but you can't get all of their data Which of course does mean that you can say ah this person took the test Then I'm going to throw up an ad that says hey your buddy just see this all the time your buddy like this test or your buddy did this test would you like to take the test and then you take the test then they have yeah, I understand that part now if they once they get all they got the 50 million Bits of yes, over 50 million profiles of Facebook users yeah now So they if they just keep it and keep using it over and over and over again different. That's okay It was it's a real minor to everybody all bent out of shape because misinformation and people don't fucking read anything and

37:58 I don't know if we did is that different than reading? Fucking reading is very hard. It's like to it's like patting your head and rumbly your tummy at the same time. No, I have two things I want to say. First of all, if this operation Cambridge A, they're gonna use the, they're gonna dissolve for political advertising and all the rest of it. Does anybody put two and two together and say, wait a minute, even with all this data and all this information, which Facebook also has obviously. You still have Procter and Gamble, Unilever, all these smart guys bailing out because the advertising doesn't work. So how is the political advertising suddenly going to work when soap advertising doesn't work? Can you answer me that? No. Now the second thing I do want to mention is about Zuckerberg and the fact that

38:53 They that he won't speak because Klobuchar and all these guys are anxious to get him up on the stand not knowing The guy's gonna come out there with a t-shirt He's autistic. He's gonna sweat. He sweats. He's got nothing to say He's just kind of an autistic savant that kind of he's not a true CEO. He's just a kind of leader Do they think that the shareholders of Facebook? Wouldn't allow it If I'm a shareholder in Facebook, I do not want this guy going before Congress because he could sink the company. You know, you are one of the few who is still a shareholder of Facebook. Looking at the chart today, this thing's selling off like crazy.

39:40 I'm sorry to laugh, but you know it's so interesting that all these violations all the you know doesn't matter what happened to face bag there was really no blowback once it started affecting the stock price just a little bit then everybody now we're all oh my god now we got to do something You know that all of these lawmakers also have face back in their portfolio. It's one of those things. That's exactly what it is. They want to bring this instead of having going to the shareholders meeting and asking the CEO stuff, which is what you're supposed to do. They're going to bring him in. What's it? What's it? What's that old phrase? You bring Mohammed to the mountain to Mohammed. Yeah. Bring the mountain to Mohammed. So they're going to bring him in and start grilling and whether they should sell the stock or not.

40:24 Yeah, that's all they care about. Yeah, I got a couple more clips of this Jamuk. The Christopher Wiley and so now now we're gonna bring in the terms that we love to hear the terms that were you know these weaponized data that is so strong that Johnson & Johnson and Procter & Gamble are not picking up these arms. To that last question you pose as you say you left in 2014 so you don't know if this data was used by the Trump campaign but but let's talk about what it was used for. What I do know is that Cambridge Analytica was meeting with Corey. He's trying to re-establish his credibility here. This is a very flimsy witness on the stand. They gave him a block probably, like you know X amount of time that she has to now fill if the guy's a dud.

41:13 She's got now it's her responsibility to bring something out and this guy wants to get some publicity Yeah, this is like this is the today's today show is like this. They really is very poorly produced used by the Trump campaign But but let's talk about what it was used for what I do what I what I do know Analytica was meeting with Corey Lewandowski in 2015 before Trump had even announced and offering the services that that I'm talking about right now and what And that's what I wanted to get to. Can you explain, because you were one of the founders of this research, can you explain how it would be used? I think you've even used the term weaponized data. How? What would it be used to do? Yeah, I think what's really important for people to understand is that Cambridge Analytica was birthed out of a company called SEL Group, which is a military contractor based in London.

42:08 This data was used to create profiling algorithms that would allow us to explore mental vulnerabilities of people. Oh! Mental vulnerabilities! Well, how come you can't find out who's gonna turn into a shooter, you dits? If you can find mental vulnerabilities, now you got my interest. Every crazy person who shot people up, posted on Facebag, don't your algos recognize that? and then map out ways to inject information into different streams or channels of content online so that people... Oh, so they inject, I just want to make sure I understand, they inject into streams of content

42:59 Wow, this is really high-tech to see things all over the place that that may or may not have been true This is a company that that really took fake news to to the next level by powering it with algorithms So what he's saying now? Is it is that he they took the data and? And this is not about saying I'm Donald Trump and I disapprove this message. No, no, they snuck in fake news into your news stream, which as far as I can tell is not part of the Facebag social graph API. But he takes it further. So it's different than than political advertising because it seems to me any good political messaging tries to predict, guess at what might appeal to voters and then design a message to that. But you say this went further by getting those personality profiles and then administering or delivering fake news messages? I'm calling super bullshit on this. Yeah, you might be able to place an ad or would say sponsored post perhaps.

43:58 But you can't, you're not just gonna inject stuff like and just pull in the fake... Add a sentence to a WAPO article. Yeah, exactly. Just throw a sentence in there. You have to understand that this is based on this on an ideal called informational dominance which is the idea that... Informational dominance! Now I understand. Is this in the book of knowledge? I'll play the clip and I'll look. This is based on an idea called informational dominance, which is the idea that if you can capture every channel of information around a person and then inject content around them, you can change their perception of what's actually happening.

44:36 So the fundamental difference between what Cambridge Analytica has done and standard political messaging is that when I show you an ad for a candidate, it says, you know, hi, I'm so-and-so and I approve this message. It is apparent that they are seeing political messaging. It is apparent that they're trying to be convinced. But what Cambridge Analytica does is works on creating a web of disinformation online so that people start going down the rabbit hole of clicking on blogs, websites, et cetera, that make them think that certain things are happening that may not be. You know where this term was developed? Well I see it developed by the Navy. Well if you look at, I see exactly the same thing, but if you look at which guy in the Navy is on that PDF, Michael S. Rogers, now at the NSA, it's an NSA term.

45:27 Figures. Yeah, so who knows where this kid is from last clip and let me mention because Cambridge Analytica your former employer says you are a former contractor involved in a quote patently malicious malicious attempt to hurt the company They say they have a restraining action against you your response to that and also what are your politics? That's not true. I don't have a restraining action against you. That's not true. Do you have a political? Political agenda because this now here's where you hear the guy has been trained and This is the last one. She's going to ask a question and he expertly dodges the question. It seems simple how he does it but most people would not be able to do this. A political agenda? Because this Cambridge Analytica obviously was funded by conservative interests. You worked there. Is there any political reason why you're coming forward now?

46:17 I think what's really important for people to understand is that this company misappropriated data of upwards of 50 million people from Facebook. They misused that data. That data was processed by psychologists who were going back and forth between London and Russia, who were also working on projects in Russia for Russians, that this company was using this data Meanwhile, as I was talking to the second largest oil company of Russia, sending the work that I was doing to the CEO of Lukoil, which has known links with the Russian FSB, which is their state security services. I think we need to step back for a second. What is she putting up with this for? Is she that stupid? See, now he's an Intel guy.

47:05 Now he knows all about the known links. This is great. The Russian FSB, which is their state security services, I think we need to step back for a second and depoliticize this because this is about the safety of Americans and the integrity of the American democratic process. If this data was misappropriated and mishandled by this company, and I think that they need to be investigated for that. Wow. Oh my goodness. Yeah, the guy goes from some slub now he's giving all kinds of deep intel kind of connect showing connections and she's standing there flat-footed she asked him a specific question which he didn't answer come close to answering and he didn't even use any of the good tricks no which in my opinion would have been well you're asking me the wrong right you should be asking yes and then did ask some bogus question and then answer that that

47:57 But he didn't even do that. He just went off on the deep end and she sits there saying nothing. I'm telling you, NBC has lost the plot. So this really is the interview that kicked it all off and this guy was everywhere and spinning the same tale and you know and it really has picked up so much steam that to me as I said in the beginning it really appears that since we don't have any other proof about Russian collusion that you know now face bag is the punching bag essentially and it's and it's not stopping there because we have the The EU's is going to be very interesting. The GDPR kicks in next month. That's the general data protection regulations, which are quite severe. Pretty much, you know, any company that operates with your data, if you say, hey, I don't want you to do this or I want you to take it off or remove it, they have to comply and there's fines and

48:56 I'm sure the EU is, you know, they already talk about taxing tech companies just to piss off Trump. Yeah, they're trying to gouge everyone they can before they sink. But Cambridge Analytica and Facebag in general might have some issues in the UK. Every political campaign wants to get inside your head. The more they know about you, the more they can influence you. This is the BBC News Night. I think people understand that data is power. Power! As we play out our lives online, we're making things easy for them. It is possible to target messages at particular individuals who will be unaware of the fact that you've been profiling them. Are there people out there who know you better than you know yourself?

49:43 This is not a normal company that's using psychological techniques to change people's thoughts and behaviour. Was Britain's EU referendum hijacked by the American alt-right using a technique known as psychographics? Brexit was the petri dish for Trump, so they said here's this company, can it help you? This is the charge leveled at an obscure data analytics firm called Cambridge Analytica. They now deny they ever worked on the leave campaign, but it wasn't always thus. So is psychographics a menace or myth? Menace or myth? Did you listen to the last DHM plug where I explained the history of psychographics? No, I did not. Go ahead. Spoiler? Do you want a spoiler? Go ahead and recap.

50:34 Psychographics began in the direct marketing community as an improvement over demographics, which is the way everyone did everything. They look at a neighborhood and they'd say, oh, these guys make $150,000 a year. We think they'll buy a Keurig coffee maker. Or they would do this or they would do that because they're in a rich neighborhood. So let's target that neighborhood and try to sell this product, Lexus. Oh, and here's a poor neighborhood, they just sell them something else. And so that was, you know, as the society kind of blended a little more, it became a little more difficult to find these key buyers. They came up with this idea, and it was based on mailing list database. You said something really important there. It was, you needed to bring in the key buyers. There wasn't even necessarily a guarantee of reaching people. It was just, we wanted to have a story for the ad buyers, correct?

51:24 Yeah, and in that era, it actually, unlike today, if you wanted to target people, it cost, you know, if you didn't target them, it would cost you more money because, you know, mailing costs X amount. With email and some of the systems today, it's all free, so who cares? But the psychographics idea is still in play. And now it's some sort of an evil buzzword, which I find fascinating. Because psychographics began when the mailing list industry in particular started using something called databases. And what they started to do was take different mailing lists and do merge purges. And you'd buy these mailing lists and you'd only, and the database companies who handled the mailing lists, you didn't rent the list directly, you'd rent the outcome of their work.

52:10 And what they would do is they'd take a, they would figure out, pretty much like they try to do today with psychographics, they would figure out that if you subscribe to Playboy, Argosy, US News World Report, and the New York Times, if you subscribe to all four of those things, you'd have a certain profile. And so what they do is they'd run these, they'd say, well, I want somebody that's like this. I want them to hit, they have to be a outdoors man and they have to do this, they have to do that. And they, so they'd run this database through all these different magazine mailing lists. Cause everybody subscribed to magazines at the time. It was some sort of some magazines that they lived old days and they lived in certain areas. So you combine the demographics with where they lived, with the magazines they had, and you could have a profile and say,

52:54 There's the guy that I can sell this fishing boat to and that's all psychographics was yeah, and it's why I was evil bullshit this bullcrap That's all it is is just trying to see well. You know where your where your head is at yeah And you can kind of reverse engineer it by what you're up to. Yeah, you can do the same thing on the face bags. Apparently you can reverse engineer your psychographic details by looking at what you're up to. And the amount of money that MTV spent back in the day, I participated in many black box, white box, double blind studies.

53:33 with MTV viewers and you know and they'd want to understand because you couldn't get direct feedback data from the television obviously. Well I know but don't remember there was a period of time, they hit two or three times actually not just a period, where interactive television was going to be the next big thing and the only reason for international, I'm sorry, for this sort of this interactive television was for to develop psychographic profiles and I heard from one guy who is doing this, this is in the 80s, says, you know, we can figure out with three clicks of the remote control what this person's like. Wait a minute, you knew Ron Bloom in the 80s? This is not Ron Bloom. Ron Bloom got it from someone else, believe me. Believe me, I've heard the term psychographics in so many pitch meetings.

54:26 Yeah, we can deliver the right message because we've got the psychographics of every single one of our users. Facebag took that to another level. They really did. You know, you give them all this information. Who you're married to, if you're in a same-sex marriage, what your religion is. All of this stuff is in there. Yeah, and how you feel that day. That's right. Yeah, a psychographic would be, let's see anyone who's feeling down today and we'll give them an antidepressant ad. A very simple psychographic which I believe is probably being utilized as we speak. Yeah, I'm sure it is. By the way, we're the only show that can talk about this in this sort of detail because we're not subject or care about any of these things with our particular producer listenership. This is correct.

55:14 That, by the way, is what we call a bridge. And for that very reason, I'd like to thank you for your courage and say in the morning to you, John C, who by the C stands for Cambridge A, Dvorak. In the morning to you, Mr. Adam Curry. In the morning to all the ships at sea and the boots on the ground and the feet in the air and the subs in the water and the dames and the knights out there. And in the morning to our troll room. Hello, trolls! NoAgendaStream.com is where you can find the trolls if you feel that you'd fit in. You probably would if you listen to the show at all. And we also say in the morning to Uncle Clave Bear.

55:53 He brought us the artwork for episode 1017 title of that was tech neck and this was a Was challenging for us there were many extremely good pieces of art yeah, I was actually it was a bonanza and We could not stop like adolescent schoolgirls. We could not stop giggling over the dog with the dynamite in his butt Yeah, it was very... And we had a meeting. We had a No Agenda show. It was very, we were very juve... it was juvenile. We had one of the artists who did one of the other pieces write us. Yeah, the AOL... The AOL one, which I think came in second, as I recall. Yes. And I explained to him that we were just acting like stupid kids because we couldn't stop giggling and I think you nailed it over that piece. And the kids, by the way, the kids at dinner thought it was funny too. Here's the actual... I have the transcript, the meeting notes.

56:49 We had a final vote and the question was, do we go for great, intelligent art or cheap laughs? And we immediately said cheap laughs is the way to go. Oh yeah, always. You can't be... cheap laughs are actually harder to come... well, they're cheap, so they're not that hard to come by. I think this, yeah, it's always the way. We'll always choose cheap laughs. Always. And this is a tip from your NOA Agenda Show. We thank you, Uncle Clave Bear, for not only delivering fantastic artwork, but also really making us laugh. And we were still laughing. I'm looking at it right now. It's like it's a dynamite piece. Oh pun intended No agenda art generator comm is where you can upload your artwork We appreciate the work that all of our artists do as far as we know one of the only podcasts in the known universe That has fresh art for each episode and it helps it makes a difference. We look great We always seem to wind up whenever we publish a new show. We show up with in the new and noteworthy section of

57:52 Of the iTunes and the podcast app you know it's just because that when we publish you know there's quite an onslaught of data And I'm sure that's showing up in there in their analytics, and we're always next to Rachel Maddow Always you get the dog with the dynamite in his butt next to Rachel Maddow. It's just thank you. I appreciate that There's something cosmic about it good work guys So let's thank a few people for being producers and executive producers for show 1018. And of course, this is a, people will notice if they saw the last newsletter that we actually used scripture in the newsletter, breaking new grounds, because from what I can tell, no one has ever used scripture ever to solicit money. Really? Except for churches. Oh, that's right. Okay.

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59:45 It's been brought to my attention that some members of my family are writing on my karmic coattails saying that I donate for all of them. I'm putting them on a douchebag warning list and will not tolerate any leeching of my much-needed job karma. To quote from JCD from a few years ago, pay up, pricks! Jobs, jobs, jobs, and jobs. Let's vote for jobs! You've got karma. the passed away at the age of 71. May he rest in peace. Please send some karma and hugs if you're so inclined. I love you guys. We're sorry to hear that, Dave Tanya. And we love you too. So we will send you some hugs in this karmic message. You've got karma. Craig Kuttner in Norwalk, Connecticut 23457.

1:00:57 Baron Craig of the Northeast Georgia here. Continued kudos for the outstanding product and excellent analysis and deconstruction. Jingles. Club 33. Atlas shrugged. Atlas shrugged. I don't remember that one. Numbers. And 73 is from KB1YYE. Kilobyte 1. Yes, yes. Error. Hold on a second. So we need... What was the first one you wanted? Club 33 do it do we have a club 33 jingle no, there's no real jingle It's just me yelling about bringing a raven up to the stage. Oh, okay. Well. Let me just bring up the Raven Yeah, that makes sense okay We got that we got the Atlas I don't know what that I don't remember. What was that one? Yeah? What's the third one? numbers Three but the numbers thing okay, there's some karma in form too. Yeah, I wish I could find the numbers I

1:01:57 The hell was it? It was titled something... It was some 33, yeah, 33 is part of the gag, was the punchline. Numbers Station? Yeah, Numbers Station. That's what I thought, but I can't find it. Oh yeah, no I can't find it. I'm sorry. Jesus, I'm gonna want a do-over on that whole thing. I really blew that. One more time. Can we give him a do-over? Yeah, we can do a do-over.

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1:03:43 Yeah, well, so you are. The jobs karma really does work as evidenced by my getting my dream job and now going pro racing in Pirelli World in the Pirelli World Challenge with that job. Hopefully through some hard work and karma we can rank well this year with our KTM Expo GT4 and put on a strong show. Thank you for your courage keeping me sane. What do you do at the operation? Are you a pit, mechanic, driver? We'd like to know. Yeah, we would. Thank you for your courage. Can you get us pit passes is the question? No, we can always get pit passes. We're podcasters. Yeah, right. The mall cops of broadcasting. Thank you for your courage keeping me sane and keep up with the best and keep it up. Keep it up with the best podcast in the universe. Okay, I have to do an alternative Ebola for him. I can't find that. I thought we had titled that thing Calypso. No, I don't think so. It was titled something else.

1:04:44 Okay, how about this one? You've got karma, I think it's the Gillespie Calypso now. I know what I know what he means, okay? They bring diarrhea oh yeah that one brings diarrhea. I'll see if I can find it for end of show oh Isn't that from a... Ebola. Ebola... Where is that from? What's the original song? Matilda. Matilda. Oh, maybe it was Matilda. Maybe it could be Matilda. Ah! You are genius, my friend. Ebola, Ebola, he come from Africa and the Empire. Everybody know. Nailed it.

1:05:46 Alright, we got them both by the other way. I don't remember so it was good you played it. It was also Calypso ish Yes back to for breeze that will be our guys. Oh, yeah So for breeze gets knighted. This is nice Yeah, and for BCS knighted later and I want to thank all these folks for being the executive and associate executive producers for show 1018 yes, and you said guys, but you know that's Kind of misogynist generic women call each other guys, too. Yeah No, you said a gang. I think you have to say gang. You can't say guys because Dame Tanya's in there. She's not a guy. I know she is, but I'm going to see if she's, she has to report an objection or I'll continue to use guys in some situations. Okay. We're looking forward to hearing from Dame Tanya. And thank you to our executive producers, associate executive producers for supporting the NOAA Gender Show. It is the only way that we are enabled to discuss the topics that we broach. Yes. Yeah. Oh, I thought you were going to say something.

1:06:45 No, why would I do that? Because you were... I heard... Oh, that should have been a rim shot. It wasn't coming through clearly. Remember we have a show coming up on Sunday? Devorak.org slash N-A. So you can now tell everybody how it works with the face back in Cambridge, by propagating... Our formula is this. We go out, we hit people in the mouth. What are you doing? Shut up, snake. Doing Going nuts. That's a break in the show. You're not supposed to be doing your recorder tone that thing nuts. It's nuts Yes, you I wanted to play you know just to pick up on our combo Well, I got a new one one of our producers sent me a phrase from the know A brief was the new one. He heard someone in the cubicle next to him say as you

1:07:46 As-yooj. As-yooj. You have a list, are you putting it down on a paper? Yeah. As-yooj. I like it. Yeah, I don't know how you spell it though. I did get one of the old the parents phrase which somebody mentioned in an email one of our producers and I as soon as he said I said my mom said this too. I think my mom said this I know exactly which one you're gonna say. So you get all bundled up and you got a fur thing on and and she says you look like Nanook of the North. Oh no no I never heard that Nanook of the North. Yes, he said I've said yeah, my mom's used to make that phrase too. What were you thinking of? Heavens to Murgatroyd Heavens to Murgatroyd I believe really came from a cartoon. I remember my mom not only used to say heavens to Murgatroyd She had a game with my sisters and they play salon when they were washing their hair and she'd say okay now your names are Gertrude and Murgatroyd

1:08:46 So she kind of carried that over. She must have been a fan of Warner Brothers. I'm sure my mom was. That's all folks. Back to the face bag scandal. One of our producers, Michael Z, I'll just call him Michael Z, who does a lot of fantastic work. I put one of his emails, which you'll see is so beautifully researched and carefully laid out. I put it into the show notes Because he put together a compendium of all of the news articles where the press was fawning over President Obama and this fantastical database that he built. And anybody who is going to come up against this database, they might as well just forget about it. Because no one can message the way that the president can. Or with his new 401C, no, 501C4.

1:09:40 which is a lobbying group, and you can basically contact President Obama and, you know, for I guess a fee or whatever the deal is with that outfit, you can use his data. And this database was touted far and wide as how fantastic it was because, you know, you put the weapons in the right hands, it's okay. Here's Maxine Waters. The president has put in place an organization that contains the kind of database that no one has ever seen before in life. That's going to be very, very powerful and whoever... In terms of the organizing for America that he's now shifting to become a 501c4. That's right, that's right. And that database will have information about everything on every individual in ways that it's never been done before and whoever runs for president on the Democratic ticket

1:10:30 have to deal with that. They're going to have to go down with that database and the concerns of those people because they can't get around it. And he's been very smart. I mean, it's very powerful what he's leaving in place. And I think that's what any Democratic candidate is going to have to deal with. Mm hmm. Everyone loved it. It was great. Very powerful. Everyone's going to have to deal with it. Yeah. Yeah, I know. Makes nothing but sense. Yeah, it's great when they're doing it. Now Trump, we gotta find somewhere. How did Trump? I got my two liberal guys. Your Lib Joe's, Lib Journals. My Lib Joe's. One of them says out of the blue, says, ah, it's pretty, I don't know what, I think they have a thread going some place. Now your Lib Joe friends are journalists who worked for New York Times and other. Wall Street Journal and yeah. Wall Street Journal is not a,

1:11:27 a necessary liberal publication. It's big. You haven't been reading it recently. OK, gotcha. And it's beside the point. He's the he's the most progressive of the group. And he didn't stay there that long just to win a few awards and left. And one of them out of the blue. And it's just I think they have a second thread going someplace. I missed out the whole thing. It's pretty obvious now from California data that the election was stolen in California. Well, I don't know what they're talking. I didn't want to jump in because I think one of these threads is like I'm not even supposed to be on it. So I didn't want to alert anyone to your lurkingness. I'm lurking here. Oh, it's obvious. It's very clear.

1:12:15 Maybe they meant by California, they meant Silicon Valley. It's possible. No, I don't know. Believe me, I have no idea. I'm thinking guess. But there's something going on. This will be a new trend. It's like the election was rigged or the election was stolen. They keep jumping from point to point to point. I mean, it's going to be 2020 before they come up with any conclusions. Our democracy was hacked. It's my favorite. Mark shoes hacked now meanwhile amidst all the face bag issues the Googles are very quietly Setting everything up. Hey everybody come on over to us We know how to do it, and they are all over the news outfits. They have something called the Google News initiative we ha and Well here's a little promo video

1:13:05 Access to reliable, quality information should be a right of anybody, wherever they live. Today, the journalism industry faces many challenges. Readership has become more fragmented and in many ways the experience of journalism has become more fragmented. How can news organizations remain relevant? Hold on, stop, stop. You have to give some context. What is this we're listening to? This is the promo video. Where did it appear? It's just a bunch of talking heads and newsroomy looking. It's totally stock footage. No, I know, but where did you see it? Oh, this is on Google's News Initiative website.

1:13:47 Oh, just so it's on a website. Okay. I'm sorry. I thought I made that question. I thought it was on a news show or something. No, no, no. This is their own promo video for the Google News Initiative telling you what news...telling you. You. And you should probably send this link to your LibJos. Because they can probably participate in this fabulous initiative. The experience of journalism has become more fragmented. How can news organizations remain relevant in the digital age? The traditional world of news media is shifting ever more quickly. 70% of people can't distinguish between a real story and fake news. Disinformation is on the rise. Trust in media is falling.

1:14:28 journalists are having to do more with less. A lot of these solutions will come from the journalism industry and the tech industry working together. So we're announcing the Google News Initiative, our effort to enable journalism to thrive in a digital age. It will enable new models for sustainable journalism, elevate quality journalism, and ensure that technology allows journalists to do their jobs even better. The solution to the challenges that the industry is facing has to come from the right mix of journalism and technology.

1:15:03 I'm really optimistic about the future of journalism. We just need to find the best ways for it to be able to flourish. I think there will always be a hunger for high-quality journalism. I think it's never been more important for us to work together. And it's only through collaboration that we can do journalism in new and powerful ways. Because when journalism succeeds, we all do better. You have to give this world, and you will all give your piss!

1:15:44 There you go! All your base belong to us. The Google News Initiative. We had a little chat after the last episode. Why does Phil Schindler's name ring a bell? Isn't he the guy who wrote Schindler's List? Why does his name ring a bell besides that? I think he's the Apple guy who does the... No, that's... I don't know. Schindler? I don't know. Somebody in the chat room knows. Phil Schindler. So Google is, I think what they're saying is partner with us, we'll give you tech, we'll give you technology and algos, and we'll make you successful. And if you look at this initiative, they have ways to monetize, you've got Google subscribe, this is gonna be a fun one.

1:16:36 So finally they're rolling out their replacement for RSS. Google subscribe and your existing credit card will immediately pay. And so they're sucking these suckers in. But as a long time journo, and you've been in the news business, you have a very different take on what they're doing because what you hear in this video is journalists have to do more with less. And you were saying, you know, people are doing it all wrong, these news organizations. Oh, you mean my complaint is never ending complaint where cheapening the product is not the answer to this? That would be the one. Yes. Well, my thinking is the following and I've watched this as these as these newspapers, including our local papers, have started to deteriorate. They, for one thing, over the years, the newspapers become a kind of a cash cow because of classifieds and some of the large department stores that have to advertise in the newspaper. They have no real other outlet.

1:17:32 And so the classifieds dried up. It turns out to be about half of their income and it just kind of killed all the newspapers. And they were starting to lose subscribers because of very, there's a lot of reasons they started losing subscribers, but instead of improving the paper by improving the content, making it more accessible, maybe doing something better reporting, they started, about 10 years ago, they started to cheapen the product, pay people less, I use more syndicated stuff that's got nothing to do with anyone local. You get the New York Times syndicate, you're basically a clone of the New York Times. And so you start cheapening the product, expecting people to like, it's not like Gallo, where they can make a really high quality product and then kind of cheapen it and write on the cash cow aspect. And other people that you start off with a really good product and you cheapen it to make money, that strategy doesn't work with a newspaper.

1:18:31 And that's what they've been doing. So the products are junk. I mean, most newspapers are, you know, they got low paid reporters where they used to have high paid reporters. People with no background in the topic because there's a thought that the J-School started to promote, which is, wow, you don't really need to know anything. You just need to know how to report. And of course, you never ask the right questions because you don't know the business and so you never get the right story. And so it's always missing important information. This is just the way it is. And I don't know what these guys are talking about. Philip Schindler, the reason why he was involved in this, is the VP of global sales. He's the sales guy. Okay. Well, he's also the blogger. I'm looking at their blog. Oh yeah. Of course, it's a sales operation. It has nothing to do with technology. There's no... It's not gonna have anything to do with news. No, the news is... Just sales. Yeah, sales. Exactly. We make more money. Exactly.

1:19:29 All that's missing from some of these companies is the guy and the CEOs of us smoking a big kind of a half-smoked cigar. Cigar is missing. You know what's interesting though is news is changing and news business, they should be careful because they're starting to cut out the middleman. And what I mean by that is, you know, it used to be You really wouldn't use an anonymous source unless... you wouldn't use an anonymous source. You would say it was this person who said that. You wanted someone on the record. And now that's become anonymous source deep inside somewhere who spoke only on... Someone familiar with the matter. Yes. My all-time favorite. Someone spoke on condition of anonymity.

1:20:17 which is always the second part to that. And so now we've taken it one step further, actually a step back to the 70s, to Operation Mockingbird. It's not just some crazy conspiratorial theory I've dreamt up. You can Bing it and you'll find out what it is, which resulted in the Church Commission committee, commission, committee, who then outed all of these CIA assets who were either handing off stories, writing them for the news, for newspapers, and even CBS television was implicated. And books. And books, but some of them just worked there. And so we kind of cleaned that up, I think. I don't know. I wasn't really aware. Probably not. We still see these guys floating around. I think CBS, by the way, I've been thinking about this. I've been looking at CBS because they got a new news. They got a new news director. The news director is a young guy and they brought in a political director of CBS Evening News. It's a woman who used to work on the Rubio campaign.

1:21:16 Yeah, and then I look at Jeff Glor and then I look at Scott Pelley who was fired for reasons that I've still not I still don't fathom if you look at Scott Pelley's Wikipedia page this guy's won thousands of awards, but it's pretty apparent by some of the obscure Interviews he manages to get that he was Connected I think he's got the gray hair He's got though. I think he may be that one of the last guys and now I'm starting to believe possibly John Dickerson Who I like a lot as a reporter because he's pretty even keel they used to do the weekend one of those weekends face the nation or the other one and then they kicked him over to to the morning show which he looks like he's miserable in and

1:22:01 Because I have a clip of him on the morning show trying to read. He doesn't like, he feels, I think he was once a kind of an analyst and now he's a news reader. And so when you watch the CBS morning show, he reads part of the story and then it gets kicked over to the next person. The same story. He does the opening read and then Gail picks it up and then somebody else, Nora picks it up. So he's basically just the handoff guy. He's the transition man. Yeah, he's a handoff guy. He's a trans man. And you can, and the look in his face is like, geez, I'm getting up too early in the morning to do this crap. I don't like this job as opposed to Charlie Rose, who was on PBS for so many years. You had that job until they kicked him out. Had that job. And he's thinking, I'll get up anytime. I just need to make more money.

1:22:54 And it was a big, it was a huge difference in style. But I think CBS has completely cleaned out the Mockingbird people. Well, you are correct as they have moved over to NBC. And that is not, that is only really embodied in the form of now paid contributor to NBC in the form of John Brennan, former CIA director. He is now a paid consultant on NBC. He only just left the CIA, if you can really leave the CIA, and so he showed up on the Morning Joe's show. You knew about this, I presume. I saw him on the show, I have a clip of him on the Morning Joe show in one of my Trump Putin leak stories. Oh, well, I got three lined up. It's probably similar stuff. Play those. Okay, we'll start off first with... Oh wait, before we do that, maybe we can play...

1:23:48 Let's see if I have it. Me too. Movement, John Derksen, John Goodman. Ortell, your buddy, and this guy Jason Goodman met with Jerome Corsi. recently, because Corsi's got a new book out. This guy cranks out all the books. He's the one that did Obama Nation, now he's done Destroying the Deep State. I don't agree with all of his theses and some of the stuff, but he does have this, actually Goodman, this is an exchange between Goodman and Corsi, and I want to play this before you play the Brennan clips, because it's about Brennan. We've talked about this before. We had a spook clip that somebody talking about this and they saw Brennan and the play this clip now doctor you mentioned John Brennan yeah and of course as the station chief in Saudi Arabia he converted to Wahhabi Islam is this not similar to an intelligence agent in the 1940s becoming a Nazi or in the 1960s becoming a communist it's sort of shocking isn't it well the thing that I think was

1:24:51 It was particularly shocking to me, not that he converted to Islam, I mean I'm going to assume many people do convert to Islam, but that he hid it and that he wouldn't admit to it. And Wahhabism, the most extreme form. And so he begins speaking Arabic, he learns how to speak Arabic. and he begins in State Department speeches speaking Arabic. First of all, John Brennan comes on the scene, because in another book I wrote, you know, The Abomination, in which I found out that he was the outside security consultant to Obama that broke in and stole the passport records and sanitized Obama's passport records. And then Brennan shows up

1:25:37 We have that book right over here. In it I show that Brennan was the one who sanitized the records. And when sanitizing the records of the passport, Obama promotes him to become National Security Advisor. And then he gets promoted to being head of the CIA. Aloha snack bar! Nice. Now this is very distressing. We had the other clip which you probably still could find which is we say Brennan maybe it's a CIA guy who saw him initiating his Muslim career. And of course, if you have the thesis that Obama's a Muslim, which I don't have any doubt about personally, I think this is very concerning. It's disconcerting because these are the people that bombed the Twin Towers or were given responsibility or listed. And the Wahhabis are a lot of, for all practical purposes, bad actors, Jew haters, and all the rest.

1:26:38 this situation in the least. And I specifically don't like Brennan and the fact that Brennan is being now used, they rolled him out to spiel out whatever it is, whatever propaganda he's got on his mind. I am just very disturbed by this situation. And it's not that he's a Muslim who gives a crap, but that he hid it is telling. Well, I do give a crap when the head of the CIA is a Salafist. Right. This is not not a situation that is and it makes you wonder who he brought in because he while he's running the place. I mean, he probably brought in some other people. This is a subversive operation for all practical purposes. And I think the CIA has been subverted and I.

1:27:28 I wonder what's going on. And now that he's over at NBC, it makes me even more suspicious about what's going on, especially at NBC. We don't know what the CIA is. I mean, that could be anything at this point. And we got new, new, new gal coming in. But Brennan is certainly doing his finest work. And I love this first clip, because you can hear Mika just gasp so audibly. Like, a gasp groan, kind of. She's so upset about the state of the world. Do you hear that? First she goes, wow, and then...

1:28:10 She is unhinged. She's coming unglued before our eyes here. Mr. Director, you just said our future is in jeopardy. That's a chilling statement from someone who knows the things you know about the way our government works and what's happening around the world. What do you mean specifically by that? Well, I think he's mishandled so many matters. Just look at what happened yesterday with his call to Vladimir Putin. Vladimir Putin was the person who authorized the interference in our election. Vladimir Putin almost certainly was involved in directing the poisoning of an individual on British soil. Now, two big statements there. Right off the bat, almost certainly is my favorite. But, you know, just listen to the fact that he's throwing out there. Almost certainly was involved in directing the poisoning of an individual on British soil.

1:28:56 and to congratulate him and to treat him so nicely while he treats Americans with such disdain. I think it just demonstrates that he looks at the world through a prism of what is going to help and protect Donald Trump. That is not what presidents are supposed to do. I mean, it's so simplistic what he's doing here. But it's perfect for that show and that audience and but you know as former director of CIA not just from a couple years ago But the most well almost most recent one. That's a big deal these things that he's saying and he went on and Oh yeah, so we must remember that President Trump is completely under Putin's control. He's got something on him, you know, just come on, we all know it, just shut up already, because it's clear he's... Which brings... I know what clip you're gonna play, because it's at the end of my one of my clips, but the thing is that this guy was leading, heading up to CIA and Putin's got something on Trump, which is the thesis.

1:29:58 How come we don't know what it is? Well, he's gonna be a little cavalier about it now, isn't he? Is it a war with North Korea that concerns you? In other words, when you say our future is in jeopardy, what long-term damage can happen to the country because of one minute? Well, I don't know what he's going to do with North Korea. I mean, the fact that he opted to have a summit meeting with Kim Jong-un before really any preparation is being done. You see, what you're hearing is, you know, we know that it's always someone who's running the president and CIA was running Obama and the military is running Trump and what you're hearing is, I can't believe that he just went off script! It's the same, we've heard about this in the past. It's crazy, he doesn't do as he's told. Now what kind of power does the president have? Can he do what he wants to do? Can he say what he wants? And this is such an egregious thing he did.

1:30:49 Just make it into like, you know, Pearl Harbor. He opted to have a summit meeting with Kim Jong-un before really any preparation was being done. It shows his impetuousness, the fact that he is not looking at issues with the type of depth and sophistication that is needed. He totally ignored the briefing cards that were given to him for his call with Putin. Oh no, he ignored the briefing cards? Oh no, Impeach? And they put it in caps because he's so stupid to make sure he could see it in all caps. So I am concerned about our future and our national security. What do you chalk it up to? Why won't the president confront Vladimir Putin? Why won't he read the cards and say the things that you say need to be said to Vladimir Putin? Why won't he read the cards and say the things you said need to be said to Vladimir Putin?

1:31:50 Is that, is that, I'm sorry, yes, I guess it is an actor we always have in the White House. Yeah, makes total sense. Do you believe he's somehow in debt to the president of Russia? I think he's afraid of the president of Russia. Why? Well, I think one can speculate as to why. That the Russians may have something on him personally. That they could always roll out and make his life more difficult. Clearly, I think it's important for us to be able to improve relations with Russia. But the fact that he has had this fawning attitude toward Mr. Putin has not said anything negative about him. I think he continues to say to me that he does have something to fear and something very serious to fear. This is almost like high school girls. Well, you went over to her house. You didn't even say something bad about to her because, you know, she's not my friend anymore. I can't believe you just didn't call her out.

1:32:38 That's literally what he's doing here. It's pathetic. Do you believe Russia has something on him? I believe that the Russians would not... They would opt for things to do if they believe that it was in their interest and the Russians, I think, have had long experience with Mr. Trump and may have things that they could expose. Something personal, perhaps? Perhaps. Perhaps. Perhaps. I don't really know. I was only head of the intelligence agency. Perhaps. Why didn't you say, yeah, I can't tell you, but yeah, exactly. No. Perhaps. Yeah, that's what he could do. But then he could, then he'd be lying and everyone, someone would call him out. It would be a problem. Last clip. Mr. Director, we've already had one assault, perhaps an act of war against the United States by Russia on our electorals. He forgot to mention Pearl Harbor. An act of war, John.

1:33:33 Yeah, active war. Yeah. What was it again that they did? I've spent 49 grand on face bag and probe the ports. Oh, yeah, those damn ads. Active war, ads! Active war against the United States by Russia on our electoral system. And you talked about the difficulty of dealing with cyber warfare. Do you think today we are less safe today in terms of cyber war against our electric grids? financial systems than we were two or three years ago. Are we not paying enough attention? Well, I think every day the individuals responsible for the security of those different types of infrastructure are doing their best to try to prevent all the intrusions and assaults that are taking place.

1:34:17 But the fact that this country has such a wide array of critical infrastructure, there are tremendous opportunities for adversaries to get into the system, navigate, deploy malware, and maybe leave it there so that at some point they could activate it. I think every day we have to be looking at how we can further strengthen these systems because every day our adversaries are developing new techniques, new technologies, new ways to assault, whether it be critical infrastructure or other parts of our economic and political system. So it's hard for me to say right now whether or not we're less safe than we were before. I just think that there are more actors out there, and it's not just the nation states and security and intelligence services. It's these various companies that have the capabilities to do this. There you go. Just be afraid, because they can do it at any time. Hack our electoral system with malware and the grid.

1:35:11 If we had a grid that was centralized you could bring it down, but no. Yeah, they keep wanting to centralize it. Who wants to centralize it? I say no. Yeah, exactly. Leave it nice and decentralized. Well, so this thing that this came out of this Putin-Trump Trump did this on purpose because he was told by I don't know maybe the McMaster briefing or someone it was suggested You know these briefings are suggestions. They're not orders No, everyone sees them as orders. That's Yeah, there always an order. It's not an order. Who's the president is not McMaster So let's go with this. This is the Trump. This is the whole fuss right here. This is the clip Trump Putin call PBS Okay

1:35:55 The snow showed no signs of letting up in Washington today, and neither did criticism of President Trump. And his phone call congratulated Russian President Vladimir Putin on his landslide re-election. What is the president thinking? What are we congratulating him for, for being great into hacking into Americans' voting rights? I think Putin's a criminal. I wouldn't have a conversation with a criminal. I think he's afraid of the president of Russia. Why? Well, I think one can speculate as to why. That the Russians may have something on him personally. That they could always roll out and make his life more difficult. So what you're saying is, and I would believe that immediately, Trump purposely had this information leaked?

1:36:38 No, I don't think he did. I think he just put it out there. He made it clear enough so he could... he positioned himself so it would get leaked because he's still trying to get rid of these leakers. And he's got another one in there. They can't figure out who it is. But let's play this Trump-Putin call. This is... They got a new woman, unfortunately, at PBS and I feel sorry for her because she's in over her head. She's black. She was supposed to, I guess, you know, you need a black person because of the, you need the multi-culti thing going on at PBS NewsHour. But she's not that good. She's a very poor news reader. She's too young. Stop, just stop for one second. On no other show could you say that. What you just said, the phone would be ringing right now. Yeah, we'd be fired. Fired. She's not, there are tons of

1:37:27 God, we have the guy over here that I used to work with over at Tech TV who became a reporter for KTVU called David Stevenson. Black. And he's black. And he is dynamite. He can read, he can do stand-up, he can do everything. John C. Dvorak, impressed with black news readers' ability to read. Very good, John. You know what I mean. The hole is deeper. Well, you know what I mean? In other words, he can... take a teleprompter read and he can make it sound like he's this woman's and then the Okay, but but she can't read she cannot read from a prompter without sounding like she's reading from a prompter She shouldn't be on the show. There's plenty of people that are better than she is, but I don't know why how she got this job But here's the part two you can hear a little bit of her but instead took to Twitter claiming other presidents like President Obama Oh, she's a dead reader. She's a dead reader

1:38:29 But instead took to Twitter, claiming other presidents, like President Obama, congratulated Putin in the past, too. He added, quote, Getting along with Russia and others is a good thing not a bad thing on Sunday Putin won his fourth term with more than 76% of the vote a victory some election observers said was rigged Do you know she reminds me of the first time Natalie Morris? When she was still Natalie Del Conte when she came in and we taught her how to do television Yeah, she also would read like that kind of dead. You know what I'm saying and

1:39:11 Well that's when we took her off the prompter. That's right. Because she's good at it, she's good at free flow but this woman is actually okay as a, she's not, well she's only okay as an interviewer, she does interviews too, she's really, she's subpar for what is a national news broadcast at this level. Yes, she's not, as we say, she's not yet ready for prime time, she's just not. She's not, she's not ready for prime time but they've got her, she's on prime time and that's the way it goes. Is she hot? She's no, not, well, no, not to my thinking. Maybe she is to somebody's, but she's just not, I mean, there's too many good people. I just feel bad for people who are struggling to get into these positions and that they must watch this and go, how does she get that job? Well, hello, Al Sharpton. Well, okay. Point taken. What's her name again? Yalmish?

1:40:05 Yeah, something like that. She got a weird name to Alcindor Alcindor Keep going. I have no idea anyway I did this is gonna be an issue with me personally because I says in these are clips are terrible the way she reads So let's go over to CBS, which has got his more balanced report, and then hear the whole Trump-Putin leak. And I think this is a report that's far superior to someone who comes up with the line, it's, you know, it's raining cats and dogs and Trump's wearing cats and dogs, just kind of with an opening of that other clip. Here we go. Yamiche Alcindor is a former national reporter for the New York Times covering politics and social justice issues. Woo-hoo!

1:40:48 In New York Times, New York Times, you know, reporters who write copy aren't necessarily good on camera. No. No, witness the Rachel Maddow show. She has them on all the time. It's horrible. All right. Here's the report. White House correspondent Major Garrett. President Trump's decision to congratulate Vladimir Putin for winning an election where the leading opposition candidate was barred from even running brought a raft of criticism from members of Mr. Trump's own party. I don't think it's a great idea. I think Putin's a criminal. The president was being polite. I think the president knows that

1:41:25 Mr. Putin, with all due respect, is a thug. I wouldn't have a conversation with a criminal. The president defended the call on Twitter today, writing, getting along with Russia and others is a good thing, not a bad thing. They can help solve problems with North Korea, Syria, Ukraine, ISIS, Iran, and even the coming arms race. I had a call with President Putin and congratulated him on the victory. In a briefing book prepared for him by the National Security Council staff the night before, Mr. Trump was advised not to congratulate the Russian president. That advice later leaked to the media. Florida Republican Marco Rubio. I don't like what he did, but I really hate that there's someone in his inner circle that's wanting to leak this stuff. And if you don't like working for the president, you should resign your job.

1:42:13 The president and chief of staff John Kelly are aggravated by the leak of what was described as a classified document. Now, the president held a separate briefing with advisers just before he telephoned Putin. No advice was given then about whether to offer congratulations. Jeff? Major, thank you. Ugh, geez. So they made a big fuss. This is all over the talk radio scene. Really? It's so uninteresting. It's major. And what actually was interesting to me, there was a hearing on the Hill, we're still of course trying to figure out exactly what happened, how did...

1:42:52 How did Russia hack our election? How did they attack Pearl Harbor style attack our election process? So active war and Johnson formerly the head of Department of Homeland Security J. Johnson he was asked to bend together stopped it. Yes. Well listen to what he said to Dianne Feinstein Let me ask you this first question I don't understand. You learned about this in August. You did a number of specific things. You spoke about the dates that you did these things. And yet, the American people were never told. Why?

1:43:35 Well, Senator, the American people were told... Not sufficiently in any way, shape or form to know that there was a major active measure going on... Stop. ...perhaps by a foreign power. Did you say stop? Yes, stop. As I listen to this, I'm thinking, he's saying, well they were told, not in a major, major way. And then his follow-up line was, yeah, well everyone expected Hillary to win so it didn't make any difference. Well that's the truth, but let's hear the story, that's better. And when you hear the story, you'll understand why this clip hasn't aired much on your favorite television news programs.

1:44:16 Well, Senator, the American people were told. Not sufficiently in any way, shape or form to know that there was a major active measure going on, perhaps by a foreign power. On October 7th, 2016, the Director of National Intelligence and I issued a pretty blunt statement saying that the Russian government was interfering in our political process directed by the highest levels of the Russian government. That was a pretty blunt statement. Some people believe we should have done that sooner. And frankly, it did not get the attention that I thought it should have received. It was below the full news the next day.

1:45:02 because of the release of the Access Hollywood video the same day and a number of other events. I was expecting follow-up from a lot of journalists and we never got that because everyone was focused on the campaign and that video and the debate that Sunday. The ironic video. Isn't that fantastic? We could have known much earlier about Russia, but you ignored me. For the for the grab-and-buy the pussy everyone was grabbing by the pussy now everyone's Russia Russia Russia. Why didn't you tell us? Oh? my goodness It's hilarious. It's it's you can't write it. You just can't write this stuff there now regarding the the Mueller Investigation it dawned on me. You know Mueller was the guy who was there during 9-11 He was he came in right before 9-11 happened

1:45:59 Then you know the intelligence services went nuts. They went absolutely crazy They were spying on everybody running around like chickens with their heads cut off and of course we ultimately came up with the fabulous Patriot Act which is why we find ourselves in the police state we do today and there's a lot of people complicit in a lot of things a lot of I'm sure a lot of illegality let's just Leave to the side if 9-11 was an inside job where there was any knowledge We'll just put that to the side because it's it doesn't matter But a lot of people messed up a lot of people made mistakes and it was so bad That they had to have him stay on for an additional two years against a law that was put in place precisely to prohibit an FBI director like the cross-dressing nutjob Hoover

1:46:55 Hoover J Edgar Hoover J Edgar Hoover from building a fiefdom mainly based on sexual evidence blackmail blackmail a blackmail outfit Yeah, it's a black male outfit. That's its origins. It still has elements of that. There's no way... Yeah, your origin story is always going to be in there. Oh yeah, it's culture. These things don't go away. It's culture. I mean, that's why Google is creating the exact police state that its founders came from. These kids are both Russians. They know what it's like. So they are building what they know. Anyway,

1:47:33 Look at what's happening with the people around this in the FBI. To me, Adonai, this looks like an extraction exercise. Get out everybody who was really wrong, who did the wrong things, who are on the wrong side of history, law, etc. Eject them. I think he's not there to find anything on Russia, he's there to extract people. That's an interesting thesis. They're definitely starting to fade away a few of them. Yeah, I mean we you rarely hear them speak I mean Peter Strzok will we ever ever meet this guy? No. Yeah, I can he's not on the talk shows instead of Brennan and then Andy Andy McCabe Is he out on the talk show circuit? I haven't seen him. No, he could be I haven't seen him. I'm You know, so it could just be cleaning, you know the rest of the cleanup. I

1:48:29 Yeah, clean up the mess. Yes. Anyway, that's just a thought I had. And another thought... It's possible. You know, now that we know that Cambridge Analytica... Also clean up and cover up. Clean up, cover up. Now that we know they were using information dominance, which is, you know, and psychographics, which is a form, all a form of psychological warfare, I'm thinking that we probably should, or someone should indict Scott Adams Before really throwing the election because he used his he's a trained hypnotist He hypnotized people on Twitter and on periscope, and he made them all believe that term was a great guy Yeah, no think about it for a second I think Scott Adams is the reason Trump won and I believe he should be indicted or indicted for what?

1:49:24 For hacking the election. For information dominance, yes. Information dominance, hacking. But what's the law against that? If you're going to indict somebody, you have to have something to indict them about. Hello, look at the guy. You're telling me he is not buddies with Putin? He's got the same bald head. Oh yeah, he does look a lot like Putin. Come on, come on. I think Scott Adams needs to go down. Yeah, Putin and Scott Adams. Makes sense. I'm just waiting for that to happen. It would not surprise me. We can't pin it on face back. Scott Adams, and it's in Dilbert. Just look at the cartoons. There's all kinds of Trump hair. I'm telling you, this is how crazy we've become.

1:50:17 It's not going to get any better. No. I hope they come up with something that's kind of stave off this, you know, what's going to be a huge Democrat victory in 2018. I'd like to back it off a little bit. We don't want to have the place go crazy. Why? What's wrong with you? That'd be fantastic for the show. You care about life? Who gives a crap about life? We don't care. I mean, we're doomed. Here's what we're gonna get more of. There is a little battle royale going on between a couple of books that came out about the same time. Ah, yes. And one of them is published by a local publisher, Chronicle Books, which is right down the street from Mevio.

1:50:59 and where they were. And Chronicle Books has got, and there's two books, one of it is done by... I guess the Pence family and the other ones done by John Oliver. Yeah, this is an interesting story. So John Oliver somehow found out about the other book even though they worked on it and jumped the gun with a book that looks the same on the shelves. It looks almost like the exact same book. And he got it out a day earlier, which was kind of funny, and it's about the rabbit that's owned by Pence, the Pence family. It's the bunny books. Well, it is a book battle over a vice presidential pet rabbit. Yes, in one corner, Vice President Mike Pence's family, in the other, HBO talk show host John Oliver. ABC 7 News reporter Melanie Woodrow explains one of the big winners in this bunny battle is a San Francisco book publisher.

1:51:47 Everyone is different and different is not bad. Chronicle Books President reading from what is now the number one best-selling book on Amazon titled Last Week Tonight with John Oliver presents A Day in the Life of Marlon Bundo. 50 years of the company, we've never published a book like this. Marlon Bundo is Vice President Mike Pence's family bunny. On Monday, Pence's daughter and wife released this book, Marlon Bundo's A Day in the Life of the Vice President. But one night prior, stealing the release's thunder was John Oliver's version, a surprise for readers but not a surprise for Chronicle Books. They've been working on this project for approximately five months.

1:52:29 It's truly a standout in our history. This version focuses on Marlon Bundo's personal life as he falls in love and decides to marry another male bunny. This is a very important storyline for us being part of San Francisco and the culture here and we really did jump at the chance to be a part of sending a message like this. Standing in Marlon Bundo's way, the story's antagonist, the stink bug. He does look a little bit like the vice president, but he's just the stink bug. Until the rest of the animals get together. Wait a minute, we need to decide who's in charge. We get to decide who's important. We can vote. The story concludes stink bugs are temporary. Love is forever. Chronicle Books printed 40,000 copies to start, not nearly enough just days later. They're now back on press for 400

1:53:19 thousand copies. In San Francisco, Melanie Woodrow, ABC 7 News. Well proceeds from John Oliver's book will go to LBGTQ group, the Trevor Project and AIDS United. Proceeds from the Pence book are being donated to A21, a nonprofit focused on combating human trafficking and an art therapy program at Raleigh Hospital for Children. Yeah, ha ha ha you know what this is this is make sure we discredit and take down Pence before we get Trump out so we don't have to deal with that Yahoo Yeah, well that they're being very ineffective with that and this doesn't do it all this does is just promotes gay bunnies Which I think is ludicrous because yeah, you can't find a girl gay bunnies That's what the story's about you're right

1:54:15 Beautiful. Yeah, local story. Okay, well another story that actually wasn't local to you was in Arizona. And wow, we got the video immediately and I know why. This is the Professor Ted portion of the show where the unintended consequences of technology kill you such as the self-driving Uber car. Ah, yes. You have a clip? No, but I do have a note from somebody that's nearby and… I have his note right here. Okay. So the… so first of all, what was beautiful about the video that was released very quickly after Uber immediately said they're suspending their autonomous vehicle program…

1:54:59 Is they release the video first you see the out if you haven't seen it's in the show notes and a show notes calm you see the outside View and you see you know this you see the headlights all of a sudden poop in the headlights of this road It almost looks like a country road really this woman pops in front with her bicycle and boom and then you see the interior and you see the The I think the woman who was the safety driver who was not looking she's some say she's texting but I think she was just looking at the screen you know just looking down at the screen all the pretty colors and then you see her shocked and horrified face as she's about to run over somebody. This woman by the way is a convicted felon she served five years for

1:55:42 Robbery they got hit no the one who was the safety driver, okay? Apparently uber has an issue with hiring convicted or X cons Which I don't really have a problem with but it doesn't look for that job. Yeah sure doesn't look too good in this particular scenario So we got a note from producer Brian Kaufman I live right near where the uber self-driving accident occurred and the uber released video showing that apparently no driver could have have avoided hitting that woman in a million years is totally misleading. See my youtube video below where I drive the same path as the uber autonomous car and he also drove at night and it's completely different. It's highly illuminated. You could have seen this out of the corner of your eye. I'm pretty sure.

1:56:27 But yet the story, because it was handily done by the crisis management group, whoever handles that for them, makes... and it was, ah, well, even if it was an experienced driver with hands on the wheel, they never would have seen her. It's bullshit. Yeah, it's bullshit. And the videos will all be on the show notes. Yes, and I think we should stop allowing Silicon Valley companies to treat us as guinea pigs. What are these states even thinking of? Arizona and California, allowing this on the road.

1:57:03 I remember this news, I think we maybe had a clip of the guy talking about it. Some guy discussing, and it was Uber, talking about these autonomous cars in San Francisco which they took off the road in San Francisco. And just as they were showing the thing driving around and they show it going through a red light. It's just right there on the news live. Yeah, beautiful. Yeah, you need to refuse this. This is not a good thing to have on our streets. And then I had two other things. Yes, net neutrality. So YouTube has now officially started banning firearms related content. So if you know, do you want to... You have gun safety? No, no gun safety on YouTube. No firearms related content allowed. I'm not quite sure to what extent this will go. But this has been one of the great things about YouTube is to watch people blow stuff up. You know, hot chicks with the semi-automatic weapons.

1:58:01 In bikinis, come on! Yeah, what's wrong with these guys? This is Google. Yeah, but they're stupid because that's the stuff that's ratings bonanza. They didn't have to do it. What was the point? What were they virtue signaling for? It wouldn't have made any difference if they'd said nothing. But this is your net neutrality where you now have effectively given control To these companies and now you're surprised when you can't see what they don't want you to see what's the difference between that and an ISP blocking stuff nothing That's just unlawful content Unlawful traffic is next with this story. And this is what we've been looking at all new net neutrality laws The federal level have been abolished admonished abolished but states are now starting to put these put these laws into place that talking about it and

1:58:54 And it all includes the unlawful content that's also part of the back page law and eventually, as was originally written in the net neutrality laws, unlawful traffic. And now that the story is just breaking, it's breaking the news. Child pornography is now hidden and being found in blockchain. Yeah, I found this to be fascinating. Well, but this would make it unlawful traffic, you see. This is why I like it so much. Yeah, because you would have to block the chain block the blockchain. It's called blockchain for a reason Block the blockchain because it can and probably does contain contain child pornography. It's perfect It's the perfect setup to do away with cryptos get everything back to normal, you know the way we like it Well, it's definitely an interesting ploy Well you know the topic of lying

1:59:56 Do we have a... Was I lying? Who was lying? The government. Oh, okay. Uber. This is thematically discussing lying. Nobody's got child porn in their blockchain. So this is one. Grendel. in Northern Ireland. She says, one of our producers, Pelosi made it sound like the peace wall in Belfast was gone. It's still there. Barricades come down each night and close off the Falls Road area. Don't let them let you think that the wall is gone. And then she has sent a picture of her son by the wall from last summer. This is more lies that we're being fed.

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2:11:46 And Cynthia Nixon refused to support her and so she called out Nixon is just these two women lesbians and Nixon is running for governor against Cuomo. I think she can win it You know, I Tina and I saw her on TV the other day and I said the same thing I said she can win she can totally win Yeah, but who is this and are they saying that they're bad lesbians? Is that what they're doing in public? No, she's just an unqualified lesbian. How do you qualify for being a lesbian? No, she means unqualified lesbian running for governor. She's not a... She's unqualified. Wait, she's unqualified, but since she's a lesbian, she's an unqualified lesbian on top of it. I mean, I think it's very poorly worded. That's what she said. This was a quote from the woman. But there's a huge, just a massive turn against Cuomo.

2:12:44 So he's susceptible to getting knocked out by this one. Why is there a turn against him? What's going on? There's a bunch of things. He failed to be politically correct in some situations. There's a lot of little things that are adding up and I got a Like even the New Yorkers like turned against him. I think he's susceptible and I think there's some romance by putting an actress, lesbian actress, as governor kind of as a counterbalance to Trump. It's about Trump, come on. And having her running the place, this is gonna be just great. New York is screwed up enough but this will really top it off. Wow, yeah that will be fun to watch. It's your beat.

2:13:30 Take it your beat Australia and Pretty much ground central once again of social justice movement. I'm very surprised by this. This is a new ruling that the Australian Nursing and Midwifery Code of Conduct has published, as published, and must be followed now in all facilities where you nurse and help people. I'm joined by a founder of the Nurses Professional Association of Queensland to discuss, as I said to you, As I understand it, this new code of conduct for nurses in Queensland requires obviously white nurses to announce they've got white privilege before they can look after patients of an Indigenous or Torres Strait Islander background. Am I right there? Yes you are, except that it's not just Queensland, Peter, it's all of Australia. There's 350,000 nurses and midwives Australia-wide and they're all now subject to this new code.

2:14:29 It's extraordinary. So my sister is a nurse, she works in Indigenous communities, she was the matron of the Walgut Hospital, very big Indigenous population. As I said, she's a nurse but she's also a midwife. So before she delivers the baby to an Indigenous woman, she's supposed to put her hands up and say, I need to talk to you about my white privilege, not about my infection control, not about my qualifications or my training as a midwife, it's about white privilege, whatever that means. That's right. Now if I can just quote just a sentence from this, the new code of conduct which I'm holding here in the glossary, which defines it and gives a sense of what this stuff is about.

2:15:06 And this is how the glossary defines cultural safety and the white privilege thing. This is the sentence, right? In relation to Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander health, cultural safety provides a decolonising model of practice based on dialogue, communication, power sharing and negotiation and the acknowledgement of white privilege. And it goes on in this particular vein. So that gives a... this is really eye-watering stuff and we could have a bit of a chuckle about it, but it has really serious consequences for nurses. What are you doing with this clip? How does this stuff get passed? Passed? Oh, well, I don't know if it's a... it's not a law, it's a code of conduct which you have to... Yeah, but who puts it forward?

2:15:57 The social justice warriors hello, why does anybody pay any attention to them? Well, it's a code of conduct You have to follow the code of conduct and before you help someone kind of like this show before we start the show We should say hi. I'm Adam Curry I have white privilege and then we start the show you have I guess you know have to say it up front at your flabbergasted You're gobsmacked. I'm gobsmacked. That's a good word. I Yeah, exactly. I'd give you a clip of the day, but it's so disgusting. I'm not gonna give it a clip of the day. You can't have it. But wow, what's wrong there? So that's not good. I am mean. From the free speech shut up slave department, I'm sure you saw or heard about the guy Count Dankula who taught his dog to Heil Hitler.

2:16:53 And now we face it. I'm very confused by this story and I'll explain why when you're done. Okay, well I think I can tell you why this... The dog saluting Heil Hitler is not the problem with this clip. First of all, who gives a crap? The guy's an idiot. And it's still available on YouTube. I don't know how that works. If he can go to jail, but yet, ooh, YouTube can still have it up there. I watched the clip. You know, I didn't just take it, you know, at the headline value, which most people do, because no one said, jeez, look at the clip. So this is what, it's like 30 seconds before, you know, the dog, he basically is just giving his paw. Except that he taught the dog, instead of paw, he said, uh, Heil Hitler. And then the dog raises his paw. Very funny. But it's this part that I found disturbing. There's always ranting and raving about how cute and adorable her wee dog is. And so I thought I would turn them into the least cute thing that I could think of, which is a Nazi Buddha. Drug-assiduous.

2:17:54 Do you want to gas the Jews? Mom will gas the Jews, son. Do you want to gas the Jews? Do you want to gas the Jews? Come on, gas the Jews. Mom will gas the Jews, son. Come on. Do you want to gas the Jews? So the whole time he has taught the dog to pay attention when he says, do you want to gas the Jews? Why wasn't this reported? Well, there's a question of the day. Seriously, he keeps going. Do I gas the Jews? Do I gas the Jews? Gas the Jews? And the dog's sleeping. Sleeping here. It's time to get up now, Buddha. Yes, get up now. It's time to get up. It's time to gas the Jews. Do I gas the Jews? I mean, that's the story! That was mind-boggling! Yet, oh, he taught his dog to Heil Hitler. Well, who gives a crap? This guy is out of his mind.

2:18:50 It's great. I can't believe it. I can't believe nobody else Ran with that instead of the stupid salute, which is just the dogs all dogs do that Yeah, because I don't know why that's the story to me. I saw why either I saw we had a cover on this show is like what are these guys? They get they get paid good money to report. Yeah. Yes, I did want to make mention of the sleep net vet In the Netherlands, this is a literal translation dragnet law and this is where they had a referendum or they and then

2:19:32 And then all of a sudden it's like, well, no, you can't have a referendum. And then they had some local elections. And then 47% of people said, we want a referendum and we don't want this dragnet. And so shut up, slave. Long story short, they're getting the dragnet. And what this means in the Netherlands, which I think is a big problem. global problem because the Amsterdam, the AMSIX, Amsterdam Internet Exchange is, you know, these are important important exchange points of the of the interwebs as we know them. The authorities now, up until now, were only allowed to put in a wiretap or an internet tap, as they call it, on individuals.

2:20:18 Now with the dragnet law they will be as it's described will be able to jack into the fiber itself and suck up Anything they need anything you mean like the NSA does already. Yes. Yeah, I Well, that was Solar... Stellar Wind? Was that the name of it? Operation Stellar Wind? That's what Binny uncovered? Anyway, so they're installing that now in the Netherlands. And people don't want it. They really don't like it. They're gonna go along with it because they're really subservient slaves there. Having grown up there, I can say that. But it's disturbing. Because, you know... Eh. Everybody's trying to get into the act.

2:21:03 It was trying to get into the act you know the Some nice propaganda that was uncovered one of our producers sent this to me. You know I've been talking about the Novichok Which is still unclear exactly what it is other than that Putin and it? Instructed personally to have this Novichok virus kill these two people in the UK. That's pretty much a story We've heard right. That's exactly the story. We've heard okay, so And it's always, it has to be Putin, we don't know for sure. We really don't know for sure, but we, who else would do it? Who else would it be? And Novichok's has been kind of this... mythical thing that was talked about they had this you know the binary thing by a re and it was you know and it was whispered about but no one it really to anyone's knowledge it really doesn't exist send a sample to Russia no they won't send a sample but on a show TV drama series strike back

2:21:59 I think the title of the episode was Retribution. This aired in the UK just a couple weeks ago. Here's a little piece from it. Dr. Markov was the rising star of the Russian chemical weapons program. For years we've heard this myth about something called Novichok, a nerve gas that was undetectable, easy to transport, and ten times stronger than any other strain. Markov was said to be behind it. So how come he ended up working in a hospital under an assumed name? Because Novichok wasn't a myth. The Russians were so terrified of what they'd made, they blew the whistle on themselves after Vladivostok. There was a leak in the chemical plant where Markov was overseeing its creation. Every single person working there died as a result. Except Markov. He disappeared, went dark. It might have been an accident, but there's a strong suspicion that Markov deliberately released the Novichok. This is the man Jane Lowry wants. Coincidence? I think not! Nicely done, UK.

2:22:52 Very good Somebody pointed out one of our producers pointed out that Salisbury is only five miles away from the nerve gas production facilities of the UK Yeah Porter down. Yeah, that's order down. Yeah. Yeah Porter now. Yeah, it's fantastic. Yeah, this whole thing stinks. It stinks And by the way, talking about bad news reporting and missing the point and doing all this stuff, I want to play the end, the classic end. This is on KPIX San Francisco. This is the news guys, how they finished a news broadcast. They're kind of goofing around. It's actually... sorry? Well, goofy and then you always have to shuffle your papers.

2:23:29 Yeah, here we go. Isn't that a delicacy? They were just down to mayonnaise. The mayo with the french fries. They held the french fries in that case. It was like out of control. Yeah, yeah, that's when they all get giddy. It's called pile jumping. It's stupid. It doesn't work. It just doesn't work. I don't know if it was supposed to be doing that. Al Gore has finally come out and helped us understand something. Did he come out with a bathrobe? No. The difference between global warming and climate change. Oh. According to his climate reality project. You ready? You might want to write this down.

2:24:43 Global warming, global warming applies to the long-term trend of rising average global temperatures. Climate change is a broader term that reflects the fact that carbon pollution does more than just warm our planet. Carbon pollution is also changing rain and snow patterns and increasing the risk of intense storms and droughts. Notice that work. Notice the term carbon pollution. Yeah. It's not carbon. It was carbon dioxide. No, no, it's carbon itself. All carbon. You're a carbon based creature. Yes. I die. I'm part of climate. I am responsible for climate change. I'm horrible. But okay. No questions asked. We'll just we'll just go. I have a longer segment I want to do. So if you got something you want to get out of the way. Yeah, I do. Okay. I only have a couple of clips. I want to talk about fur.

2:25:43 Okay, the me too. Here's a good one. We start didn't go to your segment. You're the me too moving I thought this was interesting because we predicted this movement created a very interesting effect for working women because on the one hand it's a very very important movement that brought to the surface discussions that should have happened a long long time ago and And on the other end, a recent survey commissioned by the Lean In Foundation found that the number of men who are reluctant to help junior women through mentorship has tripled through the lead in. So there is a sort of a backlash and so the question is how to... That is the problem because without the men mentoring women and if they occupy most leadership positions now, how will women get the opportunity to advance? I mean should we say hey can we come to the golf course with you? Yeah that's what you get.

2:26:38 It's sad, but that's what you get. I think the thing that was frightening to me is your discussion of your experience at Kleiner Perkins with the women who are actually going after men. Yeah. Trying to set them up, trying to set them up so they can make a payday. And she had done it before. Of course, she failed on me. Right. Just in the hashtag Me Too, Weinstein Company has now been granted bankruptcy. Bye bye. And the head of... Thanks for playing. Thank you for playing. The head of Latham Watkins, big-ass law. It's the biggest law firm in the world, I think. Isn't it? Latham Watkins? I don't know that. Let me see. That's okay. Just... The chairman, William Vogue, is relinquishing his position and retiring from the firm after engaging in sexual communications with a woman unaffiliated with Latham.

2:27:34 Yeah, I think that's yeah, and what it seems like is he was either on on some chat site He never met her in person, but I guess he was doing inappropriate things So probably of the Anthony Weiner nature and they want to be ahead of this so before it came out So we still may see some great pictures. Yeah, I doubt it. It's wishful thinking Okay for Yeah, fur. This is a little story. This is of course, this is again our Bay Area. This is like you like to bitch about is fur sales in San Francisco. San Francisco is poised to become the first major American city to ban the sale of fur. Supervisors will vote tomorrow despite criticism from retailers who say it will cost them millions. ABC 7 News reporter Carolyn Tyler has the story. It's estimated somewhere between 30 and 50 retailers in San Francisco sell fur.

2:28:26 The big ones in Union Square include Macy's, Neiman Marcus and Saks. For decades they've been the target of demonstrations by animal rights activists but soon there may be nothing left to protest. Fur sales in stores and online will be banned under a measure sponsored by Supervisor Katie Tang. I believe it's necessary to pass such legislation because Around the world, there's an estimated 50 million and maybe even upwards to 100 million animals that are slaughtered each year solely for the purpose of providing us with fur. The city says the ban will cost retailers about 10 to 11 million a year in lost sales.

2:29:07 Retailers peg it much higher at $45 million annually and say outlawing fur will also tarnish the brand of Union Square as an international shopping destination. Karen Flood is head of the Union Square Business Improvement District. This is certainly an ethical issue, you know, and San Francisco has values, but the question is You know, should these values be imposed on individuals and their right to choose what they do and how they shop? Okay, a couple things. First, did she say an epical issue? I thought that was kind of funny.

2:29:42 She said that, yes. And she also mentioned right to choose, which I thought was interesting juxtaposition. So is this now a law, a regulation? It's about to pass as a city law. City ordinance, a city law? Yeah. You will be foreboding to sell any kind of fur. Right. When are you... And by the way, they have a logo. It says no fur and they show in the logo there's two animals, both coyotes. And I'm thinking, why the hell wears a coyote fur? Anybody had a coyote coat recently? Well, it could be. I don't know. I mean, I've never heard of such a thing. Why didn't they? And the 50 million animals you're talking about, usually the bred animals are bred in cages like those horrible minks, which are the worst kind of ferret. Yeah. That's only good for fur. Yeah. It's a nasty animal.

2:30:34 It's a very nasty animal. But you know, it's a summer suspect. Why did they stop? I mean, what I always found effective as a kid is I found the clubbing the baby seal on the pristine sheet of ice That was kind of effective. I mean, just as yelling and jumping up and down. Why don't they bring that back? That works. Better than the coyotes. Yeah. I always liked the clubbing of the baby seal. Yeah, the clubbing of the seals are good, but I think they stopped doing that, so they had to go to old B-roll. Who cares? I mean, we have the poor polar bear on the floating piece of ice who's starving because he can't swim, apparently. The only polar bear who can't swim.

2:31:14 So I think bring back the clubbing of the baby seals. That would probably be effective, but they don't even bother. Just pass the law. We're not trying to get the public around here. Everybody's all anti-fur. It's fine. As though you need fur in the San Francisco Bay Area. That's another interesting point. Which is another point. You don't really need fur. The only people that buy those fur coats at Saks is the people that have traveled through the city and they live in, you know, Vladivostok and they wanted to get a fur coat more inexpensively. Although I can't believe they're not dirt cheap in Russia. They gotta be cheaper there. Yeah, that's it. Now the last, I might as well play my last clip and then the rest of the show is yours. Oh, okay. And this is just a news item we got to keep an eye on. This is the mumps outbreak. Now there's something phony about this. You might have thought the mumps was a disease of the past. There's been a vaccine for decades. But cases of the mumps are on the rise among young adults, even those who believe they were protected. Here's Dr. John LePook.

2:30:34 It's a very nasty animal. But you know, it's a summer suspect. Why did they stop? I mean, what I always found effective as a kid is I found the clubbing the baby seal on the pristine sheet of ice That was kind of effective. I mean, just as yelling and jumping up and down. Why don't they bring that back? That works. Better than the coyotes. Yeah. I always liked the clubbing of the baby seal. Yeah, the clubbing of the seals are good, but I think they stopped doing that, so they had to go to old B-roll. Who cares? I mean, we have the poor polar bear on the floating piece of ice who's starving because he can't swim, apparently. The only polar bear who can't swim.

2:31:14 So I think bring back the clubbing of the baby seals. That would probably be effective, but they don't even bother. Just pass the law. We're not trying to get the public around here. Everybody's all anti-fur. It's fine. As though you need fur in the San Francisco Bay Area. That's another interesting point. Which is another point. You don't really need fur. The only people that buy those fur coats at Saks is the people that have traveled through the city and they live in, you know, Vladivostok and they wanted to get a fur coat more inexpensively. Although I can't believe they're not dirt cheap in Russia. They gotta be cheaper there. Yeah, that's it. Now the last, I might as well play my last clip and then the rest of the show is yours. Oh, okay. And this is just a news item we got to keep an eye on. This is the mumps outbreak. Now there's something phony about this. You might have thought the mumps was a disease of the past. There's been a vaccine for decades. But cases of the mumps are on the rise among young adults, even those who believe they were protected. Here's Dr. John LePook.

2:32:10 It's the biggest all-star competition in the whole entire world. Last month there was a mumps scare at a national cheerleading competition in Dallas. More than 25,000 participants and coaches were told they may have been exposed to the highly contagious virus after a competitor came down with the mumps. The Texas Department of Health says no related cases have been reported so far. But at James Madison University in Harrisonburg, Virginia, there have been 24 confirmed cases since January. A health scare on the men's basketball team postpones their upcoming games. Health officials are asking students to get immunized if their vaccinations are not up to date. Even so, most recent outbreaks have been in young, vaccinated adults. A report out today found that immunity after mumps vaccination lasts an average of 27 years

2:32:58 and a quarter of people lose their protection after only eight years. Children get two doses by the age of six. The mumps virus causes fever, aches and pains, and puffy cheeks from swollen salivary glands. Although most cases resolve, complications do occur in up to 10% of adolescents and adults. The authors of today's study suggest clinical trials be done to see if these mumps outbreaks can be prevented by a booster shot at age 18 or during adulthood. John, I think the questions some are asking tonight is if they haven't had a mumps vaccine in decades, do you go get a booster now? According to the CDC, not yet. They are considering a routine third dose, that booster, based on further studies that haven't been done yet. But they are recommending a third dose in people at increased risk because of an outbreak in their area. But Jeff, if you're born before 1957, you're in luck because you probably already had the mumps and are protected. All right, good to hear. John, any collusion? This is a bullcrap story. I mean, I was born before 57. I don't worry about it.

2:34:02 These vaccines are supposed to mimic as though you had the mumps, like me. Like me? Yeah, that's what they're supposed to do, right? Yeah, and then after you've had the mumps, you don't get it again. You're immunized for life. Yeah, so what kind of bullcrap are they feeding us with these vaccines that are ineffective? All I'm hearing is that the vaccine doesn't work yet again. Yeah, same with the measles. That was the promise. Wasn't that the promise? Yeah, but we're again, it's just like the Uber. The autonomous Uber. We're guinea pigs for these people. Guinea pigs. You need a booster now. It's not good enough. No.

2:34:44 Those crazy anti-vaxxers are no agenda. Exactly. On that fine high note, it's all yours. Yeah, so this weekend is going to be a big gathering in Washington, D.C. It will be the Children Marching Against Gun Violence, I think, maybe something like that. And I am very upset. About the is this is political child abuse is what I'm calling it You've seen the kids everywhere and and you know, by the way, this David Hogg all those kids the the girl with the shaved head They're being abused by the media and by their guardians or parents and I tell you I'm gonna tell you how this works You get out there enough and you get known enough the media always boomerangs back at you when you use the media to promote something and

2:35:36 I guarantee you I've seen it happen to me all my life. It eventually comes back and you get slapped down by it It's just the yin and yang of promotion and media. It's hard to explain, but it is the way it works So these children will eventually come under incredible attack not all of them Maybe but and not necessarily immediately, but it will happen and it's going to be tough for them. It's very hard. It's not fun but this March Which was kind of intended to be a you know we we do something. There's no real message There's no like we you know ban bump stocks a raids or an age limit to 21. Okay fine Hey, ho NRA time to go all this stuff But it's being paid for by the Giffords foundation, that's Gabby Giffords, you know the Congresswoman who was shot

2:36:28 Planned Parenthood is financing it, March On is financing it, the National Endowment for the Arts is involved in financing it. March On, it's called March On. Okay. It's the Women's March, March On. And they're flying the kids in. What's Planned Parenthood got to do with this? Who cares? It's virtue signaling on their part. They got money. Hey, you know, it's like we got money. there's a recording was made at a Marriott in Broward County where a teacher is organizing the kids, preparing them for their trip tomorrow. And upon listening to this, and it's a couple minutes, and I do expect us to stop from time to time to discuss, and it's actually the audio is pretty decent for a change, so it shouldn't be too excoriating to listen to. But when you hear what this teacher is saying,

2:37:21 And remember, these are, she's not the leader of them, she's their teacher. A teacher in a teaching role is now organizing these children for 100% political means and they're totally buying into it. And I find this such an egregious abuse of children that I don't think you can do this in any other show. We can play this clip pretty much in its entirety. I edited down a lot of stuff. and just listen to what is happening to these children. Everyone who's going, it would be amazing if you could familiarize yourself with the Giffords organization. Giffords has not only arranged an unbelievable itinerary for us, but they've got medical support, there's security, there's counseling, there's media relations. Pretty much everything that they could think of

2:38:08 They have arranged for us. Okay, so the Giffords organization is organizing everything for them. Isn't that nice? My tech support extraordinaire has set up a Facebook page and Instagram. The username is wearethechange underscore DC because we are the change of state. If you don't have an itinerary, it's because Yeah, so she was printing off the itinerary for the Giffords organization at school the principal said well that seems like that may be personal oh Okay, I'll do it somewhere else. I only got 200 coffee I

2:38:55 If you've had a chance to go over it, you'll see that it is really, really, really outstanding. We're also going to have some things that are not on the agenda that are kind of top secret. Top secret? Don't leak this out, kids. Don't tell anyone what's on our agenda. So all the press here, just pretend you're not hearing this. We will be introduced on Capitol Hill by Nancy Pelosi. So that's kind of cool. Mitch McConnell is threatening to meet with us, but I'm not sure if he really means that or not. That is Marco Rubio. So we'll see how that one goes. And it's quite, quite possible we're going to have a private meeting with Joe Biden. Oh, a meeting with Uncle Joe!

2:39:50 You see what's happening to these kids? run that guy for president. I got to speak to Joe Biden on the phone through Giffords. And he's really dedicating his life, I have to tell you guys, to your cause. Poster making, we're going to have our own Parkland Lounge, they're calling it, for you guys to go and decompress and have press-free zones. All media requests, as you guys know, you've been doing great, have to go through Anna Direct, through Giffords. The greatest thing that has happened to me throughout this whole process is that I was given a press attache. How cool is that? How cool is that? A press attache! What do you need? And I said, well I don't know what I need. And they said, would you like a press attache? And I said, I think I would. Because I feel like I'm the kind of person that should have a press attache. So now I have one and I'm

2:40:47 Okay, so kids may not go to press events by themselves. This is really important. You can only all media requests go through the Gifford organization Kids, you cannot talk to the press yourself. You need to have your talking points ready. You gotta have your talking points ready. Oh my god! Poor kids! What kind of kids... you got talking points for children? Yes sir! I'm sorry. Yes, I mean yes John. Yes, yes, you're not in the military. I know. Yeah, talking point. You gotta have your talking points ready kids.

2:41:29 Giffords will be sending a person with you. There's no kids going to press events by themselves. And this is really important. You need to have your talking points ready. We are going to be met at the check-in counter at the Fort Lauderdale airport by a person from Giffords. They're gonna know you are because you're gonna be wearing your cool Giffords shirt. Please wear your shirt. Please wear your Gifford shirt. I mean this is incredible That's right we got you corralled

2:42:19 At the counter, that you're checked off the list, that you get to security and there'll be another teacher waiting at the other end of security. By the way, Southwest has donated all of these seats to us. Off the plane, the Giffords people will be there. They will literally usher us off, we'll go to baggage. The buses that are taking us to DC are right there. It's not gonna rain on Saturday, so yay. Yay, yay. I would say something about the politician who said the Jews were in charge of weather, so you won't know. But that's not right. The other thing is, and again this is super off the record. So, here's what happened. It was supposed to be a march. Shockingly, they wouldn't give permits for the march. So the march became a rally.

2:43:21 Now, I've heard rumors from kids that since the rally is right on Pennsylvania Avenue and the White House is like a 20-minute walk off the street, that that might happen. So it's conceivable that we could leave at the end of the rally and walk to the White House where we rally some more and hold up our signs and say our peace and Create a little hell and then go to the end Chocolate So they didn't get a permit so they changed it from a March to a rally and they were not allowed to March in front of the White House and So now this super super off the record everybody after our quote-unquote rally We're gonna might just walk up to the White House, right?

2:44:16 potentially putting the kids in harm's way if You know if it's without a permit this could be an issue with that. They're gonna arrest children I hope so I don't know about you, but I found this this entire Idea even extremely disturbing yeah, yeah, yeah, you found it more disturbing than I did oh I mean, I'm not saying it's good, and I think you're right, it is child abuse, but it's just a typical rally, this typical left wing. You've seen these things before. But these are the teachers doing this. Today's teachers, that's a classic example. Is this all they do? They don't teach.

2:45:06 Maybe I don't know. I just it really bothered me I could not believe what I was hearing that this that there are that Parents are allowing this to happen if they even know if they don't know oh, they're gonna be gone for a day At least she won't be around the house bugging me all right just so we don't have a total shitty ending I have excerpt about the Peter Schweitzer book and This is the guy who wrote Clinton Cash. Oh, okay. And this is a little more detail about the shenanigans with the Biden and Kerry kids in China.

2:45:42 Oh, cool. Well, it's really interesting, Martha, because there's this critical period from 2013 to 2016 during the Obama administration where the US is engaging with China on the South China Sea, on military challenges, on trade, on intellectual property. Joe Biden in December of 2013 flies over to Beijing in Air Force Two. With him on the plane is his son, Hunter Biden. Joe Biden gets widely criticized for going soft on Beijing. Well, 10 days after they return, his son Hunter Biden scores a private equity deal for a billion dollars. That's a billion with a B. It's important to note, Hunter Biden has no background in private equity. He has not done business in China before. And he, along with a guy named Devin Archer, who's a close Kerry family aide, start doing these deals in China. And there are two other major deals

2:46:33 that involve the Kerry and the Biden elements with China, three of them worth billions of dollars. And the argument that they are going to try to make is that this had no influence over policy, which to me is just ludicrous. Anytime you engage in commercial ventures with somebody, if we're worried about a ten thousand dollar PAC contribution influencing a politician, I think we ought to be very concerned about billion dollar private equity deals going to the kids of politicians. And then there were deals with defense companies that in China who were at the same time being accused of stealing technology from us. Yeah, that's exactly right. I mean, so they get this money from the Chinese, this billion dollars plus, and this is Chinese government money they've done this deal with. They take that government money and they invest in other Chinese companies or U.S. companies. One of those is a company called CGN, China General Nuclear.

2:47:22 They're anchor investors. So this is Hunter Biden, the son of the vice president and Devin Archer, a close aide to John Kerry. CGM, this company, less than a year after they invested in them. Senior executives are arrested for doing what? For stealing nuclear secrets in the United States. And one of the engineers in that company pleads guilty. What they're trying to get access to are these small nuclear reactors that are very similar to those that are on U.S. nuclear submarines. So this is not just about politicians getting quick money. This has serious national security implications and it is the new growth area of corruption.

2:47:58 The old days of politicians stuffing, you know, $90,000 in their freezer has been replaced by billion dollar private equity deals for your family members. A lot harder to detect and define. And they learned so well from Hillary. And at first I thought, how is, how is this clip the uplifting? Let's go out of the show with something more uplifting. I didn't say uplifting. This is more depressing than the other clip. I didn't say uplifting. I said better. Well, the better is in the payoff because first I thought well man, this is clearly the getting ready in case Joe wants to run Let's discredit him up front and I'm sure it's true. Ah, okay

2:48:37 I'm sure it's true, but then this gem comes out. So what about Mitch McConnell? Well, Mitch McConnell very similar China China's basically adopted this posture of saying that they're going to seek out commercial ties with family members Elaine Chow's family is in the shipping business the government of China the China State Shipbuilding Corporation has set them up They build their ships, they finance the construction of their ships, they provide contracts for state-owned enterprises to ship them around. And the father, the patriarch of the family, gave a gift to Mitch McConnell of between 5 and 25 million dollars. Hello! Hey, our government at work. We should have ended with the gay bunny book. That would have been better. Yeah, maybe.

2:49:24 Well, at least you get something to think about with these clips. Wow. I know. Five to twenty-five million dollars. Nice. Well, government is our next stop, that's for sure. Unless you consider supporting the program at Dvorak.org slash NA, we appreciate that. We have another one coming up on Sunday. It's important that you support us, and we thank all of our producers for doing that. It's the only way we keep the show on the road, and the only way we can discuss what we want to discuss without corporate money and advertising. And I am here in downtown Austin, Texas, capital of the drone star state in FEMA Region 6 on the governmental maps in the 5x9 Cluedio in the common law condo. In the morning everybody, I'm Adam Curry. And from northern Silicon Valley where it stopped raining and the tea, I'm done with the tea, the Darjeeling, and I'm ready to go home. In fact, I'm going to take a cab. Taxi!

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