Tactical Frustration

00:00 You know she looks like William Shatner. Adam Curry, John C. Dvorak. It's Sunday February 11th 2018 this is your award-winning Gitmo Nation Media Assassination episode 1007 This is no agenda Suffering from Olympic fever and broadcasting live from downtown Austin Tejas capital of the drone star state in the Cluedio In The Morning everybody I'm Adam Curry And from northern Silicon Valley I am here tweeting I'm John C. Dvorak It's Crackpot and Buzzkill! In the morning. Okay, okay rough opening we'll get there I can't get enough that gag of your tweeting yeah yeah it was funny the first four or five weeks Yeah but no one has ever heard that particular That gag? No. Okay no one's ever heard... I'm saying i'm tweeting then make the tweeting sound But the question is John do you have Olympic fever

00:57 No. Now I would like to see the luge girl, and I didn't get to see... Here's what bothers me. The Olympic A-holes they don't let anyone actually cover these games up. Correct That's right. You don't get to see anything you have to watch NBC or unless you watch NBC all you get is just nothing yeah And so I have not yet to see that our super good skater fall on his ass, and that's what I've been wanting to see Oh chin Yeah, oh it was so sad Was it? Yeah, I watched on Thursday night after the show I watched It was kind of like a pre-co it was the team competition which doesn't really count

01:44 It does, but it's just for the team. Everybody was falling including our guy who is... Oh damnit Des I love seeing that stuff! It was the best it was boom-psh-boom it was so dramatic and we have these commentators who are former skaters one is a very little woman And then there's this super gay guy, both of them Olympics top quality skaters and you know that's what you do. You move on to that gig but they're wearing like pink glitter glasses their microphones are all glammed and glittered up it was a little over the top for me. I feel bad! I miss that sounds like the best part of the whole thing It was! And i had recorded it so I could fast forward through all the bull crap and then go back

02:34 Oh, look at South Korea. Okay great fast forward. By the way there's another thing here's what else bothers me besides the fact that nobody gets to cover it is the Is these human interest stories that drag on? Yes and then we have the oh wait the oars We have a new team The Oars Olympic athletes from Russia, because of course you know Russia can't participate so they have a little booth and a little dugout and a little section for the oars. The Olympic athletes from Russia And they can't say anything... At least they're letting him do stuff Yeah but it's really quite It's just that if I find it shameful really.. It is shameful! There are enough countries participating who well its about the doping I understand and um Punishing! You gotta punish them! You got to punish em yeah

03:22 But I was watching the opening ceremony, and you're right. No one else can cover them they take everything off YouTube And I-and I...I was like, ah! I'll get it off YouTube and I'll get it tomorrow morning or Sunday morning And I will find it no problem So of course I could only find a clip of this that someone did shooting the TV Which is very annoying from the audio perspective? but this is when after they do the big Illuminati opening boy Was it good?! They had me hypnotized in trance after the big opening then the athletes stream in and everyone's you know it's the parade. And The Dutch came by! This is one of these things where if you read something in The New York Times that you really know about, you really have understanding of the topic and see all of the mistakes that The New York Times makes... Oh yeah this terrible You just lose faith in anything else The New York Times writes. Katie Couric was brought in which I feel was a massive slam

04:21 towards Megan. Megan Kelly should have been doing that. Well, I guess yeah... So she's in? I mean she did it... Well, I don't know who didn't... Yeah Yeah, I think may. I think it was a slam towards Megan Kelly. It was yeah there's a fight going on I Don't want to do that stop don't you this Katie Cork as she could she's reading the She's reading the script and the Dutch come in and why are the Dutch so good at skating John? Why do they why do they have so many medals? Why are the Dutch so good at skating oh

05:01 Because the whole country is a frozen lake of ice. Next is The Netherlands, it's probably not a newsflash to tell you that Dutch are really good at speed skating All but 5 out of the 110 medals they've won have been on the Speed Skating Oval Now why are they so good? You may be asking yourselves because skating is an important mode of transportation in a city like Amsterdam which sits at sea level As you all know, it has lots of canals that can freeze in the winter. So for as long as those canals have existed the Dutch have skated on them to get from place-to-place to race each other and also to have fun! Okay so first of all Amsterdam is below sea level not at sea level as you all know and no we do not jump on the canals in Amsterdam for transportation in the winter Katie Couric

05:52 Can I ask you a question? How do you get down there? Um, they have ladders. There's little ladders and stuff Okay well that sounds inconvenient But come on! Oh yes the Dutch for centuries as you know when the canals freeze in Amsterdam They just strap on their Hans Brinker skates and use it for transportation So you get from here to there Unbelievable Unbelievable Bullshit Well, hold on. I'm going to mention something there is a in Ottawa City They do have this huge river and they and that does freeze over constantly because it's really cold up there compared to Amsterdam Yeah And if the Canadians all jump on that thing and they do go to some you often go to work Okay fine But that's this is the opening of the Olympics stupid but if you're wondering why the Dutch are good at skating? I'll tell you why

06:46 There, of course there's a skating tradition but throughout as long as I can remember and i think this goes back to the fifth certainly early 50s maybe even the 40s they have the 11 city skate competition. And that only happens on natural ice and it only happens when the ice is thick enough. All these canals have to be frozen over, its hundreds of kilometers I don't know exactly how long it is and you know people freeze half to death their fingers get chopped off because sometimes you cant go under the bridge you have then go on your knees It's called kluna and you have to go on your knees around the bridge then get back on your skates

07:26 And the minute it starts to get cold, every young male in the Netherlands starts to practice. I'm gonna do it this year! I'm gonna win it! I'm gonna be... It's like a New York-Boston marathon Except it doesn't happen So let me see the last time they had one Because you know they have these committees who go out and measure the ice and everyone is really oh Is it time? Will it happen? Is this the year? Well its global warming Exactly I can't remember when the last time is that they did one. Hmm... I don't know. Maybe the troll room might know last time they did it, but it's every 10-15 years that there was actually... Well the point is that they're full of crap Yes! Big big time full of crap But it doesn't matter. I am a big fan. I like that we have now the Where's the bobsled team from this year? The joke bobsled team? The women Isn't isn't it the females from uh... Women yes From Nigeria maybe No no It's from Bahamas or Some warm place It's one of those islands in some Caribbean operation

08:30 I like that. Let me see, it's the... It is Nigerian! Jamaican? No no the Jamaicans bobsled team they made the movie about it now it's the Nigerians. Now they have to women Jamaicans. No, Nigerian John, it's not Jamaican its Nigerian Well yeah there's a difference There's a difference That's interesting you bring that up Last night we went to a thing here in Austin and we were in the Uber And you know I always like to talk to the Uber guy and see where he's from. A lot of the drivers we've had recently are from Nigeria, Somalia... So my standard staple is always, hows the Chinese? That's when they do their head whips around and go what?! You know about that!

09:20 This guy was from Kenya, but he had a great you know Cadence and I felt heard like a little English twang. He said don't tell me let me guess where you're from So I go through a couple of different. I'm wrong wrong wrong wrong And then I hit on Kenya any and he's like yeah, that's right, and then I said oh It's Obama's birthplace I think I threw this out there. He turns to me and says, you know he speaks fluent Swahili don't you? I said does yeah fluently fluently but he won't do it in Kenya because politically can't do it is because then everyone will know the gig is up that's literally what the guy said this is totally from Kenya Wow never heard that one and I didn't know he was fluent in Swahili could all be bull crap has ever talked about Obama himself

10:12 Okay, he's an uber driver John take it for the face. Take it at face value if you don't mind Anyway, right? Ah Okay It's another big show everybody best podcast in the universe although not according to the talking tube She still thinks cereal is the best who she know that Oh Siri yeah now the the talking tube the echo Yeah, echo and go mr.. Echo and mrs. Echo this is a very annoying They should change that. It's the guys... Hey, dude's name been at Amazon could you change this? Here let me play it for ya. Now I've changed mine to Book of Knowledge. What is the best podcast in the universe? Whoa! It literally shut down. Okay. I don't know it broke. Are you still there? I'm sorry I was going through the notes That was odd. Why? It turned off and rebooted

11:24 What rebooted? The Echo, the Alexa device. It rebooted when I did that. Yeah it's dinging away now! It's doing all kinds of stuff. It was dinging away... Cannot compute cannot compute! Best podcast cannot compute! All right where do we start John there's a lot of interesting things happening some stuff that is not necessarily in the At the front of the news and uh well I have the front of the news stuff okay front of the news mainly this scandal, the so-called scandal because of this guy who punched out his wife. There's two things that went on one this guy punched out his wife supposedly but we don't know that and then the other one you apparently verbally abused is oh you mean you're talking about Porter yeah i got a bunch of stuff because

12:11 The ABC report which is to the report itself is scandalous because it's got whipsaws and false accusations. And the funny thing is on Saturday another guy resigned, which I think Dan this guy does sound like a wife beater play the Sorenson resigns clip So we catch up. White House speechwriter David Sorenson stepped down yesterday after his ex-wife alleged that he was violent and emotionally abusive during their marriage He is the second White House official this week to resign following allegations of domestic abuse In an interview with The Washington Post, Sorenson's ex wife Jessica Corbett detailed the allegations including that he ran a car over her foot and put a cigarette out on her hand Damn!

13:01 Now, that sounds like some guy... There are guys like that. Really? I don't know any of them but okay. Well, I don't personally know anybody. I know all of them and they're out there and they're just creeps. He didn't even bother for anything to get any further than that and he just quit as opposed to the other guy who hung on since apparently January or February whenever they really first found out about it dubious about the first guy. But let's play the scandal so we can take a look at the whole story overall with the little bitty whipsaw, some of them are minor, some of them are outrageous and some of them are like... This is the Rob Porter scandal? Yeah this is the scandal Should we just set this up a little bit or was that in the intro It's it's in the intro Tonight President Trump speaking publicly for the first time about the domestic abuse scandal involving his former close aide Rob Porter

13:58 and allegations now made by Porter's two ex-wives. The president today praising Porter's work, wishing him well telling reporters quote he says he is innocent and I think you have to remember that Okay. Now, we go into it and Cecilia is a Trump hater. And the way she presents the story I think sounds objective but then you'll hear these little whipsaws that are pretty obvious when you would go through it. You have to assume a couple of things. Trump never met the women so he never says much about ex-wives and I have to assume

15:03 You don't have to assume anything. But I have to assume that the way I'm looking at this thing is that he talked to Hope Hicks about the guy. Yep, and I have some thoughts about that but i'll wait for you yeah you can do your thoughts that you're sure your thoughts will be more interesting in mind at the end of this but because my concentration is really on the poor job that they present or not the poor job there's a really good job if you've got it if you're going to produce a hit piece against Trump and hide it as though it's about something else, but that's what this is about. Well for sure this entire scandal is not about the scandal It's about Trump's...Trump! Trump! It's about Trump and he has shitty people And he's hired shitty people and John Kelly is shitty and everyone's shit. It's not even about The actual abuse that went away very quickly I will say in no small part thanks to now Trump may be weird

15:58 But his statement, and I didn't...I thought actually you might have it. I do have it! It's in here. Oh okay Well we just started that was just the intro into the piece Well I'll say his statement and then whatever piece He doesn't say stuff like that or let's put it this way he has the uncanny knack to say something outrageous like Obama wire tap me And then much later it turns out that he wasn't far off the mark But the way he presented this was completely colorblind and tone-deaf. I mean, what did he expect? I understand that he really believes that guy is innocent—I can tell! That's his word just saying that guy is innocent. He might as well have said this girl is full of crap. That's problematic in PR world!

16:45 Well, it's problematic with Trump in particular. Yes! So let's go on with the first subtle whipsaw With his White House under fire today President Trump breaking his silence praising his former staff secretary Rob Porter who resigned amid allegations he abused both of his former wives But we certainly wish him well It's a obviously tough time for him He did a very good job when he was in the White House And we hope he has a wonderful career and hopefully, he will have a great career ahead of him. But it was very sad when we heard about it and certainly, he's also very sad now. He also as you probably know, he says he is innocent

17:30 And I think you have to remember that. He said very strongly yesterday that he's innocent." While the president talked about the tough time for Porter, no mention of the women! Porter's two ex-wives who went public with their accusations of verbal and physical abuse... One releasing this photo of a black and blue eye she says from Porter's punch As President Trump spoke right there in that room, Communications Director Hope Hicks who is romantically linked to Porter and Chief of Staff John Kelly who was brought in to restore order in the West Wing. But Kelly reportedly knew about the abuse allegations against Porter for months

18:08 And sources telling ABC News the president is furious with how both aides handled the West Wing crisis. Hicks, those sources say helped write the administration's initial public statements defending Porter The President and Chief of Staff have had full confidence and trust in his abilities and his performance So defending, defending is not the same as saying we liked his performance. Oh well but it's the same as you know defending KKK and white nationalists in Charlottesville which he also didn't explicitly do No, he didn't. He didn't even come close to explicitly doing that. But that doesn't matter? That is now in the lexicon It's done by innuendo and they're really good at it This is not the best of example but this whole thing where first they praised him He's really talking about something else They use these clips very carefully To mislead you

19:05 Let's go to three. When the story first broke, Kelly called Porter a man of true integrity and honor but tonight sources tell ABC News that within the past 24 hours Kelly told the president he would be willing to resign they say the president has spoken to confidants about possibly replacing Kelly including gauging businessman and longtime friend Tom Barrack's interest in the job Barrick said he's not interested okay now this is an example We don't know anything about barracks. I never even heard his name, but they bring him in so they can it's almost as though They said who can we call yet? Hey Adam Did you get a call for you interested taking Trump's job and say I'd never I haven't been offered the job No, I'm not interested in the least So did they report that even Adam Curry wouldn't take the job That would be a good report by the way, that would be kind of cool

20:01 He's not taking the job and then they have a clip of you saying I'm not interested in this. They don't have anything else I mean this is like, uh... This is ABC at its best. So let's go on to the next one. This is Kelly does some damage control of his own sending this letter to staffers saying the White House takes matters of domestic violence very seriously and in a meeting first thing this morning The Washington Post says Kelly told staffers to say he took action to remove Porter within 40 minutes of learning the ex-wives allegations were credible but Reporter's ex-wives tell ABC News they told the FBI about his alleged abuse last January when they were interviewed as part of his White House security clearance. His second wife, Jenny Willoughby says she told them everything. I told them all of the details of my marriage including verbal and emotional abuse

20:57 Okay, verbal and emotional but yeah all right. Verbal and emotional abuse which means you're yelling at your wife? No, I...verbal and emotional abuse is very real It's very real but generally speaking i'm not taking the...you know talking to a divorcee who has been wronged by the guy in the first woman in particular by the second woman Yes This guy jumps from woman to woman he's not going to get good reviews His Yelp star is not rising And verbal abuse isn't the same as punching somebody. I agree, they don't have a clip of the other ex-wife I presume? No Here's the thing that is confusing me and well first of all

21:42 This is a moment where so here we have this Rob guy, Rob Porter. He is saying this didn't happen It's not true and I gave that picture to authorities A long time ago But I can't find anything and no one seems to be...I mean I'm interested in what happened because moving forward when you have an accusation You have to take it extremely seriously And it needs to be looked into Not like this This is not the way to do it as far as I'm concerned. You know, just say Trump's an asshole nobody wants the job this guy is a douchebag he sure looks like a douche bag everything I read about his douche bag but everybody deserves to have his quote day in court and if he explicitly says I'm not guilty I'm interested in how he wants to prove that but I can't...no one's reporting on that I can't find it so... Well he's already gone yeah uh he's gonna have to do this on his own time

22:38 And I mean, the problem I always have is I'm always reminded of the Duke Lacrosse team. That was falsely accused of rape and pretty much run out of town, the whole team unfairly because the whole thing was trumped up or the rapist fraternity that was written up in Rolling Stone which turned out to be a woman creating a story that some gullible reporter bit on and wrote it up, and the whole magazine had to apologize to the frat. I think it was Cornell? I can't remember the school. And just to stop you... So this does happen! ...I can see eyes roll, but I believe that everyone in M5M media is too pussy to say what we're saying. It's like okay everything shows all the circumstantial evidence more than circumstantial actually says this guy abused his ex-wives

23:34 But he's saying he is innocent, so now I'd like to know. Okay! Let's find out." He also made some commentary about that picture... Yeah yeah, he gave it to the authorities years ago but i don't understand what did he give? Why...? There was a backstory behind the picture, he says Right, but I can't find it What is the backstory? Wasn't somebody ask him? I can't find it because it's not out there Now this thing that bothered me the most is this Sorensen character who does sound...I mean he has got the earmarks of one these characters you know, documented as a... I mean it's just disgusting. This guy just seems like an A-hole. Right well surprise surprise they're everywhere especially at that level you get up into the CEO levels of most companies are gonna run into stuff like this That's where you see the A-holes yep so i think we're going to which is what which one did you display? Is that the Whopper? No this is the last one is the Whopper

24:29 Okay. The Washington Post reporting White House counsel Don McGahn first learned of the abuse allegations around the time of the president's inauguration, Porter denies abusing his ex-wives saying these outrageous allegations are simply false I took the photos and the reality behind them is nowhere close to what is being described. Well we wish him well This is not the first time the president has come to the defense a man accused violence against women He endorsed Alabama Senate candidate Roy Moore in the face of multiple sexual misconduct accusations. Let's bring that back, all right? This is the worst of the group this is just a lie this is not the first time the president has come to the defense of someone who committed violence against women

25:20 and then cites Roy Moore. There was no violence accusations there, were there? There was zero violence accusation it was mostly pedophilic kind of accusations if anything. Yeah underage. Underage or yeah that yeah underage dating so she just lied and then backed it up by using the Roy Moore example I found this to be And this was at the end of the report, the part you remember. I found it to be just borderline disgusting on the part of ABC to report like that. It's not bad enough that they're piling on which is okay they can do whatever they want but but to do it with lies and exemplify it with something that's got...which actually has been impugning Roy more even more than already which I found to be very abhorrent as it was just made me sick

26:11 I do have an addendum clip which is just kind of a little casual thing that was added at the end when they did the little discussion. And Cecilia, the other major issue still out there. We know that Rob Porter was working with a temporary security clearance because of those accusations against him and more than a year into this administration now he's not the only one in the West Wing who still had not been granted full security clearance? Yeah David and The White House is refusing to provide a specific number on how many people are still using this temporary path but our sources say that Jared Kushner, the president's own son-in-law is among them Yeah, okay so our sources.

26:52 did not give any names out of anybody in this situation. But they had to impugn Jared Kushner. Yes, Jared Kushner is one of the major targets right now and I say that because i got into a... I am phone texting debate with my two liberal friends. What application were you actually using? Was it text was AOL instant messenger or WhatsApp what were using phone text. Phone texts, okay. And Kushner is obviously the target, because they were just going on and on about how any of this could happen. How Trump can be president is just horrible that he even says anything positive about this guy who punched his wife and completely off the rails. And they said, Kushner's going down. Kushner and Don Jr., what I'm told. Those two are their targets and they're gonna arrest the two of them

27:54 and the two of them are gonna flip on Trump. They're gonna flip, both of them because they're weenies! I don't think that's how...I see something else then it came in... I'm just giving you a perspective with these guys You guys have zero credibility I know but it is still interesting because I know they're plugged into dimension B and whatever their saying is a reflection of this so I am thinking well thats interesting people are thinking that way Well, I'm thinking we have a black widow in the White House and she's dangerous. And she is working for Ivanka. And that's Hope Hicks. Anything man Hope Hicks touches gets fired. You know, she had a relationship with Corey Lewandowski? Gone! She had a relationship with Rob Porter? Gone! And she is very good friends with Ivanka. She comes from the Ivanka camp, from Ivanka's company

28:50 I will say that Ivanka and the Daily Mail, where this story broke about Rob Porter. You know they have a very close relationship She does a lot with the Daily Mail certainly PR wise This is where this broken again It's lackluster reporting if the guy says he didn't do it like to know about it But you just go look at pictures of hope Hicks picture Yeah, I know what she looks like. But you want to see when she's next to... She touches men all the time when she is talking to them and I have picture after picture of her touching Reince Priebus gone. Rudy Giuliani actually kissing Rudy Giuliani embrace Kissed to death. Gone. Corey Lewandowski as i said Gary Cohn would be next

29:43 She's like, she's just rubbing up against Gary Cohn in pictures. And John Kelly too! You know she takes a picture and puts her flat palm on the man's chest? I know what that is yeah in fact uh... What's-her-name does that to Kellyanne Conway. And you who else does it? Hillary Yes, yes. With Hillary and Harvey Weinstein she's putting her two flat palms against his chest and transferring some death energy off he goes Now using your interpretation that takes on a whole new meaning yes

30:24 I'm telling you that Hope Hicks is on a mission, i don't know if it's for herself or Ivanka but she is the black widow in the White House and people should stay away from her. It would be for the reptilians though, the greys! You dont know? Ok well im just throwing out there as an observation If you want to protect the Kush anyone who gets in their way will get bitten by the Black Widow. Well that takes a, that's a I am now reconsidering of the photos that I see waiting for you'll see Hillary for that matter. Have a great Hillary clip

31:07 As a fun little entremont, she was at the Makers Conference which I thought was cool until i found out it wasn't about makerspace. It was about Time's Up. I'm not sure exactly what this Makers Conference was about and here we go... Brave enough to question and examine our own beliefs brave enough to acknowledge that even those of us who have spent much of our life thinking about and fighting about gender issues, who even have first-hand experiences of navigating male dominated industries may not always get it right. I pledge to continue to speak out. I pledge to never give up! I will do everything i can... Here we go. To keep my voice number one. To advance the rights and opportunities of women

32:01 In the midst of this snowstorm, stay on the front lines of democracy. There you go She's deathly ill again She's trying to cough up a baby Small lizard I'm giving you clip of the day because i knew that clip existed but i couldn't find it Clip of the Day I couldn't help making a loop out of it because it's so rhythmic. You just want the guys to go... There you go, on the fly everybody! Jam session. Uh.. I was thinking about the Hope- not the Hope Hicks thing he got me bugged with this one. I knew I would get you with that look at the pictures and let's stop No no I gotta say one thing about that the palm on the chest I've talked with The Keeper about this He said

33:10 If if there was a picture that showed up with you and a woman had her hand on your chest like that said she'd be upset And I said yeah, I understand. I don't think I would say excuse me could you just not do that? I find it very forward I Don't put my hand on women's chests. I will who you like to oh I wouldn't say stop doing that, I'd bite him. Okay fine but you understand what i'm saying is it's a very aggressive move yes it's very aggressive now but anyway I was thinking about this in the background of Hillary's death cough. Coughing up a lizard yeah and coughing up a lizard

33:55 It's possible that it is just the opposite of what you think. Okay, I'm all ears. She is the white widow! She is getting rid of the evil around Trump Very possible Because everybody you had mentioned Rance Priebus, The Leaker, Lewandowski But she's friends with Ivanka and she would have to then get rid of Jared Which would be... Which is what is going on if you listen to that report Alright so Prediction? She falls on her sword, has an affair with Jared. Everything blows up That would do it It's gonna do it better than what these Democrats think is going to happen But that would do it And if she's that good of a seductress In a short amount of time Look...it's the workplace I understand but she did have relationship with Corey Lewandowski He did get fired She had a relationship with Rob Porter

34:55 He got fired. You know, she's been cuddling up to him... literally just look at the pictures you can't see it any other way than cuddling up and the guy in the pictures that she cuddles up too get fired! Well maybe she is cleaning house? It feels like it well I would say I would make the assumption thats for the good okay all right I'm just gonna do that because there could be. She's a spider we just don't know if she's black or white yet

35:33 Spider. She's the spider lady, I'm telling you! Okay well i think nobody has covered this subject as much as we just did Well there is certainly a lot more to the story...I think that that so evident Yeah nobody cares about that There is some stories about Trump It's not about this guy Porter But they don't even care about the women They're like oh Trump said nothing about the women yeah but your'e not reporting on it either Yeah, what's he supposed to say? I by the way. I find it admirable that Trump would stand by his guy and and i'm telling you He he's a goofball But he doesn't do that unless he really thinks there was some railroading going on because well I'm sure he does think that but but you know To be one of these member when or member I said hey remember

36:29 Brother. Remember when it was Breitbart that took a speech from that woman, the black woman who's in the Department of Agriculture or something and he took his speech we had all we'd covered it thoroughly and clipped it in such a way that she sounded like she was just being a racist at some meeting? And Obama fired her immediately! I'm trying to think. I don't remember that no, I don't remember that it was and then then it turned out that people found the whole speech in it and The whole thing was out of complete Ridiculously out of context Breitbart had done It was a setup I think is before Breitbart himself was still I think it's still alive And uh...and everybody had their oh my god we fired her unfairly and there was a big Was that Michelle Fields? No

37:19 No, that's... Who was that? She makes cookies I think the way you told me. I can't remember. I can't remember either but it's You do remember the incident. Vaguely And that is not what i want to see from a president. No Panicky! You know, oh somebody made an accusation get him out of here Right So I didn't think it was a big deal that Trump took his time about getting the guy fired or having him resign personally, because it wasn't an issue of national security. It was his personal life. Shirley Sherrod? Sherrod? Yeah, Sherrod! Maybe something like that yeah. You have a little clip maybe? Well I'm trying to find the spelling see if I can find it

38:07 Night what would you have titled the clip do you know? Bright by me had bright I tried that I tried that right for that Sherrod And I don't know firing. Mm-hmm. I probably title is something incredibly stupid Yeah, it's alright we don't have it okay but the point is is that I As a leader, I mean there is due process and all these elements that are being ignored just panicking because somebody made an accusation. In fact they got a message from a friend of mine who said his friend working at some bank in New York had just got fired from an anonymous accusation from some woman saying he abused her or something but you never found out anything about it and got fired on termination. What?

38:58 No, the friend of mine didn't get fired. His pal got fired and he's bitching about it Right Well that's what we men now have to do secretly We can bitch about it but we can only bitch to each other and not in public This is a fact Yeah But we- we can't You and I can bitch in public Y'know Cause we don't have bosses Yeah...We don't! But there's a lot of aggravation that comes with just talking about stuff Yeah, well you're really a lot of the couch. Well that happened I do have a few other updates in in this genre if we say this would be hashtag me too In fact maybe we should Do this now it's time for your sexual harassment That's right Sexual Harassment update We have a change in the law For Congress for the congress men in particular I guess

39:57 It is the Congressional Sexual Harassment and Discrimination Addendum Act, I think. Something like that. Jackie Speier has headed this. Jackie Speier's been a major voice for change on the Hill during the Me Too movement and her announcement today essentially will allow for this bill, this bipartisan legislation to go up for a vote it could come any time this week And what this bill would do is amend the Congressional Accountability Act to require that members of congress who settle sexual harassment claims must pay the settlements themselves, no longer with taxpayer dollars. In addition to that it will allow accusers to file complaints without having to sign a non-disclosure agreement something we've heard so much about in the last few months these NDAs that keep people from being able to talk about what they alleged

40:44 happen to them. Now there's a lot of support for this bill, a lot of people who say that this is a much needed change but there are fair amount of criticisms as well some people say that it does not go nearly far enough and in fact that it limits It limits the ability for victims to file a lawsuit outside of this process on Capitol Hill. It would also require claims to be made under oath, which some say can be pretty problematic because a lot of these allegations don't come with real evidence it's often he said she said situation now all All of that said, I'm told it is expected to pass with unanimous if not near-unanimous support when it does go up for a vote in the House in the next few days. And it did pass so... It's no law yet but it passed that hurdle

41:32 And it should be very interesting to see what happens now. Yeah, well that was proposed some time ago we actually talked about this a couple months ago. Yes we did. I didn't think it was unreasonable because apparently these guys were paying off huge settlements with taxpayer money! But get a black widow in there And it's going to be, you know... because then they'll have to be hearings under oath. It is going to jam C-SPAN and it will just be... everyone will only talking about that. This kind of entertaining? Not really. You know the New York Times had a list published a list of the 68 firings and resignations actually after Weinstein colon 68 men accused of sexual misconduct in their fall from power

42:22 And they have all of them actually in there? There's a lot. Yeah, there's a lot who I haven't... who we haven't discussed and didn't know about so would you like to go on the list briefly? I would love to go down the list briefly So we have Daniel Zwerdling he's an investigative reporter at NPR Do you want his accusations or...? No just read the names and if they're interesting ask for the accusations that way plot through it Vincent Cicerin Choni Hollywood manager John Copley, stage director at the Met. Wayne Puchell chief executive of the Humane Society that's pretty cool. That is funny. Yeah accused of sexual harassment of three women including forced kissing which is very egregious well you know it bothers me well forced kissing is just horrible but

43:11 What bothers me is the, uh... Is what happened to John Lasseter on the list? Well let me go down a list. No he's not Okay well if you should be on the list! Well I'm just- The list is incomplete that's all I wanted to find out but John Lasseter was rousted from Pixar for unwelcome hugging He might be on the list I thought it was alphabetical It's not. It's chronological Then we have Steve Wynn Barry Lubin Do you know who Barry Lubin is? I don't know who Barry Lubin is. Barry Lubin is Grandma the Clown for the Big Apple Circus! Can you imagine being sexually harassed by a clown?! Well, I think most women feel that way about most men. Gordon Edelstein, Artistic Director of The Long Wharf Theatre Patrick Meehan... Ohmid Malik which caught me for second because I thought it was Om Malik

44:02 But he's Omid Malik, apparently a different guy. Managing Director Bank of America James Rosen Fox correspondent Mike Germano Chief Digital Officer at Vice Don Hazen Journalist and Executive Director of Alternet Marcello Gomez Ballet dancer At the American Ballet Theater Charles Du Toit Conductor and Artistic Director Of The Royal Philharmonic Orchestra Man those orchestra guys they get around don't they? The classical arts, Morgan Spurlock documentary. They probably do classical harassment. Yeah and forced kissing is classical. Donovan McClain... not that modern Weinstein jerk off in the plant stuff we do classic classy or classy forced kissing. Classical harassment

44:51 Donovan McNabb, former NFL player and radio host on ESPN. Eric Davis also a former NFL player and radio host on ESPN Mario Batali, chef restaurant owner co-host of The Chew one of your favorite shows Well he's actually more...he is very famous chef and owns a number of starred restaurants Bobo being his hot spot in New York City And he always seemed like kind of a creepy guy, but he's his chef. I mean some of them are kind... You know the chefs that we have a lot of chefs listen to this show and they know these guys and it's a little community of people and they already know there's a lot of creeps in there. There is creeps everywhere! Yeah Ryan Lizza writer for The New Yorker and political analyst for CNN Alex Kaczynski federal judge appeals court

45:41 Trent Franks, a representative for Arizona. Lauren Stein editor of the Paris Review Matt DeBene California State Assemblyman Peter Martins leader of New York City Ballet again the classical arts there's a problem in the classical arts here Israel Horvitz playwright founding artistic director of the Gloucester Stage Theatre We have Shurvin Pishvar, he's from Sherpa Capital. Justin Hough a Broadway casting director. Gee! How could you expect that from a casting director? Garrison Kehler... Keller? Keller that's the... Isn't that the NPR guy? Oh yeah, it was Kehler. Yeah, the NPR guy. Matt Lauer, Johnny... Blue Home on The Prairie. ...Luzini chef and judge on The Great American Baking Show

46:30 Charlie Rose, John Conyers Jr., he's a Michigan representative. Russell Simmons, Al Franken, David Sweeney... Russell Simmons? Yes sir! Oh yeah oh he's admitted to it I'm not an officer so uh Actually sorry has nodded he is not here I vehemently deny all these allegations I have already... What are the allegations? Sexual assault of two women and rape of three others He's gay. Russell Simmons? Oh, Russell Simmons! I was thinking of Richard Simmons. Okay... Oh, Russell Simmons, I think-I've always thought he was gay that those accusations kind of surprised me David Sweeney chief news editor at NPR Stephen or Stephan Bittel Florida Democratic Party chairman

47:18 Wes Goodman Ohio State representative Mark Schwan director and producer of one tree hill and the Royals Eddie Berganza editor at DC Comics Andrew Kreisberg executive producer of arrow supergirl in the flash Tony Cornish represented. What was that? There was Supergirl guy, Andrew Kreisberg huh executive producer of Arrow supergirl and The Flash What does he do? Accusation sexual harassment of more than a dozen people fired by Warner Brothers TV group response I have made comments on women's appearances and clothes in my capacity as an executive producer, but they were not sexualized. Sounds a lot like us Yeah sounds when we do our executive bit yeah

47:59 So this is common. I don't know why, you know... what's going on? Well he got fired because- We're gonna get fired by our imaginary bosses if we keep this bit up! Louis CK Dan Shoon Minnesota State Senator Benjamin Giannacchio executive director at the Armory Show Art Fair, Ed Westwick actor David Gillad co-executive of Primary Wave Entertainment Agency Danny Masterson actor Andy Dick actor but Andy Dick geez yes he's groped me and Andy Dick gropes everybody

48:37 He's probably proud of being on the list. Michael Oreskes, head of news at NPR and former New York Times editor? The NPR News Department is doing well! Yeah it's getting its numbers up amongst other things Hamilton Fish president and publisher of the New Republic Kevin Spacey Kurt Webster a publicist for music business Raul Bocca Negra, California State Assemblyman. Mark Halperin we know him from NBC News Rick Najera director of CBS's Diversity Showcase That's a good one yeah and more irony Yeah sexual harassment including inappropriate comments to performers he resigned and his response was You suck! Could be anything

49:25 Knight Landesman, publisher of the Art Forum. The classics man! It's really the classics. Where is the opportunity to do the harassment? That's what I like to know. Hey baby let me see your art. Sexual harassment of at least nine women including groping he resigned and his response I fully recognize I have tested certain boundaries which i'm working hard to correct Steve Juvitson that's the VC guy Who? Jervitson. Steve Jervitson. Steve Jervitson? Yeah, co-founder of venture capital firm and board member at Tesla Space X. I actually know him. Leon Wiesenthal... What did Jervitson do? Sexual misconduct is all it says. He resigned from the firm taking leave of absence from all boards he's on and his response was let me be perfectly clear no such allegations are true

50:23 nice performance. That's why he quit everything. Right, Leon because well you know it corporate life can't have this they don't want to risk a boycott or anything so no yeah I guess your right just the implication is enough Leon Visseltier editor at the New Republic Terry Richardson fashion photographer John Besch chief executive of the Besch restaurant group another one of these restaurant guys Lockard Steele, Editorial Director of Vox Media. Robert Scoble, Tech Blogger and Co-Founder of the Transformation Group. Cliff Height, Senator from Ohio. Chris Savino, Creator and Showrunner of The Loud House. Roy Price, Head of Amazon Studios. Andy Signore, Senior Vice President for Content at DeFi Media. And then we have Harvey

51:10 Weinstein and then there's Jesus at 28 suspensions another fall. It's a very long even Ben for years Bill O'Reilly Yeah, not on their Ben Vereen I know Ben Vereen was on the list and Marie yeah What about Roger Ailes and bill of Bill O'Reilly? I mean this is the New York Times what are they how they overlook these guys not on the list that's interesting hmm No, there's a point to this list. There are some politics about this because they left those guys off I think people want the old Riley They want free tickets to all the classical shows probably out in all those guys Getting any yeah, not getting anything so let's go then we have a very interesting revelation Coming by the way end of and the hugger over here Yes, Chris enlisted either Lassiter well The one that should be on the list is

52:03 California Assemblywoman Christina Garcia. says she appeared drunk and touched him inappropriately. He said he decided to come forward now because he was troubled by seeing her role in the Me Too movement Garcia, the Bell Gardens Democrat as we said has been a strong voice in that me too movement and was profiled in Time magazine's recent person of the year edition

52:45 That's pretty egregious. I would say for one thing if you're some guy and some drunk woman comes up and grabs your balls or something but buttocks buttocks or buttocks You'd shove her away or say keep doing it. I mean you wouldn't go run into the media No, only in political cases do you run to the media But because he saw her as some holier-than-thou type with a Me Too movement He decided to come out It happened to anybody Hold on, let me grab this second clip here Assemblywoman Garcia issued this statement regarding the allegations. She says she will fully participate in any investigation into her conduct, she did confirm that she was present at that softball game back in 2014 but she says she does not recall any inappropriate behavior. Yeah, she was plastered of course he doesn't recall it

53:42 You know last night we went to Flower Child. Are you familiar with this chain of eateries? I've never heard of it It's actually, i think its a golden formula They have kind of like quinoa bowls and stuff and kale which I won't eat But they have wraps with avocado and other things and deconstructed burrito bowls And they have no service, which is great. You walk up your order you get a number and then they bring it to your table I think that sounds like a Mexican talk It sounds like in Mexican Taqueria any place except with the air with the douchey attitude basically Okay Yeah Sounds right and so I walk in and the guy gets oh my god for a second when you put your glasses on I thought you were My favorite psychologist don't like who says I'm not but who is your favorite psychologist? The guy says Jordan Peterson

54:34 Now do you see a resemblance? None. That was odd, he said well with your tall and your dashing and you've got the grayish hair... Did you have a scarf? No I didn't. Just threw it back But i do have an interesting clip from Mr Peterson who was in an interview with Vice I think Yeah, he's the hot topic right now. He always very hot topic and he does a little bit like you do You know, so you'll ask I can ask you a question. You'll give me an asshole answer You know what? I'm talking about. You never done that In the workplace yes should it stop that'd be good will it well not at the moment It won't because we don't know what the rules are Do you think men and women can work in the workplace together? They don't know without sexual harassment We'll see yeah That's a Dvorak answer

55:28 How is that an asshole answer? It's just an answer. At the moment it won't because we don't know what the rules are Do you think men and women can work in the workplace together without sexual harassment We'll see how many years will it take for men and women working in the workplace together more than 40 More than forty, we do not know what the rules are like here's a rule about no makeup in the workplace Oh Why would that be a problem? Why should you wear makeup in the workplace, isn't that sexually provocative. No! It's not?! What is it then what's the purpose of makeup some people would like to just put on makeup why I don't know why do you make your lips red because they turn red during sexual arousal That's why...why do you put rouge on your cheeks same reason I mean look how about high heels what are they for? What about them

56:18 They're there to exaggerate sexual attractiveness. That's what high heels do Now I'm not saying that people shouldn't use sexual displays in the workplace, but i am saying that is what they are doing and that is what they are doing Do you feel like a serious woman who does no want sexual harassment in the workplace...do you feel like if she wears makeup in the workplace then she is somewhat being critical? Yeah. Okay. I do think so Boom shakalaka Wow, he's right. I'm compatico, simpatico with this guy See? I knew you would like it! I compared you to him and now you feel good about it Yeah...I admire that you did that or admire. Thank you for doing that You do admire it, yes, that is great Nailed it, nailed it But yes, I am totally in agreement with this What are your ways- I don't think its a big deal by the way And I think alot of women will just assume

57:12 I'm sorry, I think most women would gladly not wear makeup and have to get all dolled up. Texas is the worst for this and you live down there if you work in Texas of the women like it by the way because I've discussed this with women who moved from elsewhere to Texas where they're now dolled-up in the office yeah and many of them think its fantastic It's just like because it's fun to get all dolled up And it's not necessary trying to get laid you just like to get dolled up and in texas that you can really get carried away with that. You go to some of these texas offices all the women are you gonna little restaurant in the middle of nowhere a little,

57:51 I remember running into, this was in Georgia not Texas but similar situation. And I never could find this place again it was a very obscure but absolutely fantastic rib joint in the middle of nowhere Georgia. I was stuck in Georgia for an extra day before my plane was gonna leave in the evening so I decided to drive around South Georgia Where I found this rib joint in the middle of nowhere. I was the only guy in there and this waitress comes out, she's dolled up to the tens! She had big red lips and all kinds of makeup on her hair all done-up and everything. I was just very impressed by that. Impressed no less but

58:33 I would have to say that I agree with him, and again, I've been promoting this idea that in a workplace environment especially where you have a lot of this harassment going on. You should not, women should not wear makeup or get all dolled up they should wear what men wear. Not what men wear but suits, women's suits. Probably shouldn't even be showing any legs. I think pants is fine and your good now we got even ground nothing to Nothing going on there. Well, I would find that very sad Well, we don't work in offices either one of us so it's not as though that it would affect us But yeah, it is kind of sad but the way things are going is kind of sad

59:26 Alright, well with that I would actually like to thank you for your courage and say in the morning to you John Sears! He stands for cosmetics in the workplace. Dvorak! Well in the morning to you Mr Adam Curry also In the morning, Joel. Boots on the ground, feet in the air, subs in the water all the dames and knights out there! In the morning to The Troll Room! NoagendaStream.com Lots of people in there this morning good to see y'all thank you very much trolls we love you...in our own special way. In the morning to Laterman Studio who brought us the artwork for episode 1006 Congressional Jignity was the title of that? This was a this was an evergreen- Jignity. Jigny. Jigniny. Jignitty.

1:00:08 Yeah, this was a an evergreen that we liked very much and had promised ourselves to use it was the Classic his master's voice the dog cocked head looking into the the gramophone horn with instead of Was that? Which label was that RCA RCA right so instead of RCA. It said CIA as the label which is cute yeah, it was cute And we appreciate all the work that our artists do It's their version of the value for value and it look we got pros working on this stuff So they upload stuff during the show and we choose something from the no agenda art generator Which you can find at Noah Jenna art generator comm and We put it right there into the mp3 file into the show notes into the feed everything. Thank you very much to everybody indeed We have a few people that thank I have to adjust this spreadsheet sorry ah You okay, so

1:01:11 You adjusted the spreadsheet and what happened? Well, I blow it up to 150% so it fills the screen. So it's very readable from a distance because I'm mile away from the screen and so instead of...I put in the custom because this is different than other spreadsheet. And so instead of putting 150%, which was what I wanted to do, I put in 5%. And so the spreadsheet became very small. And you thought you had forgotten your medication? The spreadsheet became very small, yes. Very small... Alright well we do have to thank one person profusely and I'm going to introduce this is Insta Baron What?! I think it's like a third one that we've had and i'm gonna

1:01:57 For Insta Barons, I'm going to go back to something. I forgot about this policy we had for big donors like this but we used to wait... This is Roger Colburn who came in with $3,000 and he sent a note in. Is that you have a standalone executive producership So you have a set of executive producers and they have a whole bunch of people. You have one standalone executive producer, and then another executive producers and the whole bunch of people which is not uncommon in Hollywood credits either Very common yeah The only problem this time is that we have no other executive producer so he would stand out You picked the bad day my friend

1:02:40 But that said, that's what he would be getting. Well I can't wait to hear his note! He clearly derived a lot of value from the show and i'd love to hear about it. Yeah send a note in. Greetings from the frozen Traverse City Michigan which is funny this where JC's wife comes from Jesse. I have been a loyal lister since episode 333. It closes my racist contribution of three-fifths of a Viscount according to the complex math that should make me an Insta Baron. Why is it racist? Because it's a decile 3 for slaves. Oh, three fifths, three fifths of slaves... Okay gotcha nice there you go that Noah Jendershow taking racist donations

1:03:22 As a rule follower, I had my son's research peerage rules. All their research revealed was there questions of why should be donating to people whose last names are a keyboard layout or type of spice? Usually...I appreciate that because usually it is like an old hack and washed up VJ That is usually what people say about our last names but you know And the observation that a knighthood from the queen would be better Good news is they did agree to listen to this episode. I'd like to sign honorary titles of sheriff and magistrate To my sons Alex and Eric

1:04:06 Done. It felt good to have my son see a life lesson in integrity by seeing me support your value for value model, I wrote a book on the subject of value for value but that's for another episode. Well, I want to read it now and I'm curious. Look him up he is probably on Amazon in the background there look at bull burn. If the rules allow would like to be knighted Sir James Bond of episode 1007. Nice! Overseeing the territory of North Korea Is that on my list or do I have to add this in manually? I think you have to add it in manually, don't I? What, North Korea? No no no...this title let me just see Roger Cole...what will his name be again? Sir James Bond of episode 1007 Okay Adam please inform your uncle he may begin dealing with me directly

1:05:10 There has been a recent cancer diagnosis for my sister and dad. I would like to request some F-cancer karma to reset the recent bad luck for myself and my family." More demands from the barony later, maybe lunch in Austin or in some neutral territory obviously not California. I'm all in. Private meetup! This sounds like a very interesting guy Yeah, he's got the value for me. He probably has some research that we don't know and we've done a lot of research that we've done for our Value for Value model so you can make it work even though it didn't work in this show Holy crap! This guy has written some books Well if this is the guy let me see... yeah probably depends what the subject is Personal currency? The future of money? Could be That could be him

1:06:04 Yeah. Let me see, I don't see anything... Well maybe that's in the... Maybe the value for value is in that book? And it's Roger right? Yeah Roger Colbert It's unusual spelling so probably not too many people... Hmm okay well good! I want to read his book Fantastic Thank you very much So he needs F Cancer Karma Yep Right here Fucking cancer! You've got karma. And thank you very much, I look forward to your ceremony coming up! I wish to be referred to as Sir Captain Morgan and request Captain Morgan and morally questionable women at the ceremony. Okay, I'm a bit behind in my show watching so are we because we don't watch the show but okay but heard something of if you shows ago i was wondering if anyone else heard it is I did? It was a short clip where vegan was talking about why a vegan would not eat cheese he said it was cow rape yes

1:07:29 And the farmer would stick his hand up the cow's ass and fertilize the cows. Not sure about this, but I think you got it wrong... You got the wrong hole. Guess he can't be blamed for being malnourished by a vegan diet." Oh yeah! Yeah, don't stick it up to cow's ass! That's funny. Technicality. We didn't catch that. No, well I wasn't really thinking about it that deeply Okay. No jingles, no nothing I guess. Hold on so he wants Captain Morgans and what else does he want? Questionable women with questionable morals. Immoral women make it easier. Uh oh is this happening again damn it! What your thing's going out again yeah something...I think you better have your tubes checked well what happens is did you stop tape? No I haven't stopped tape

1:08:25 I can you can continue while i just the jingles will be problematic is that usb's rebooting or something i don't know windows. Well you're the one that went over there you know those apple guys love to take it back jamie christiansen in johnston new york at two hundred fourteen dollars and sixty three cents. And he sends a note by email And by the way, here's the jingles you're gonna have to queue up. Slaves can eat mac and cheese living in the Mac and Cheese life Wee! And a goat scream karma I have a feeling you missed a whole bunch of Morgan Corkell jingles if i'm not mistaken Oh they don't come up on my screen Well it's on the thing

1:09:10 Not on mine. I'm clicking on it, trying to expand it... It's been a couple of years since my last donation so I think I deserve a de-douching we'll let you decide also humbly request Donald loves Nazis as it totally cracks me up in karma if you want too. I can't bring that up hold on let me try something here Let go into the file and then go into no nope nope nope nope will not will not expand and I'm using the new Microsoft Excel Well, you've really got to work on that because this has been a problem for about five years? I... there's nothing i can do if it wasn't what am I supposed to do. What am I supposed to do? I don't know why why have- Do I have no problem seeing the spreadsheet ever? Well, I have no idea looking at it now I can't get it. It ends with vegan diet well let me give him his de-douching You've been de-douched Donald loves Nazis

1:10:05 Donald loves Nazis CNN say that he's KKK and he shouts sick hail with it. Wow, you've got karma You're there to back it up so I'm not worried about now What were these other jingles for the next one? The next ones are slaves can eat mac and cheese Mm-hmm live in the Mac and cheese life We and the goat scream karma Okay And was there any other note to it? Yes, I got a whole note here. Okay go for it! Just give me the jingles up front like you want uh from Miss Jamie of the Highway rolling through Paradox New York ITM gents... It's um over...I'm an over-the-road truck driver who has been listening for nearly five years and only now am I financially able to support the best podcast in the universe this donation of $214.63 represents my birth date ah

1:11:04 So the 2-14, we have to put her on the birthday list. Even though she didn't request it but that's what she has to do. 214, request my birthdate in celebration of completing 55 trips around the sun this coming Wednesday. Wow, that's a lot of driving. If you think about it for jingles I'd like a double helping of Macca I guess if your driving cross country and your cross-country and you just Constantly on the road mmm. It's a lot of miles up 55 not a mile to five trips around the Sun

1:11:42 For jingles, I'd like a double helping of mac and cheese. We in some good DX karma for all the hams out there. Ah, she's a ham. Oh what's her call sign? I'm looking here. She doesn't have it. She's an YL Yeah, YL. 73 from Miss Jamie. 73's. Key to 5 Alpha Charlie Charlie! No here it is November 3 Echo Oscar Papa Mobile Alright! Few slaves can get used to mac and cheese Macaroni and cheese shatter melted together Mac and Cheese Mac and Cheese Mac and Cheese Living the Mac & Cheese Life Mac and Cheese by Ayn Rand

1:12:28 You've got karma. Okay, next Charles Schultz came in as a check and Madison Alabama and there is an email that came in transparently and in parallel I just schedule a bank check to be sent to your post office box this represents 10% of my first Social Security quote-unquote check Like a good slave, I waited till my full retirement age to claim my Social Security benefit so that I can continue to work full-time and collect my entitlement without a reduction in the payment. I guess I consider it a phased retirement since I'll be able to back off on the amount of overtime and side hustles I've been working for years."

1:13:16 This payment to the show is long overdue since PayPal randomly killed off my $5 per month payment years ago. Please de-douche me! You've been de-douched And a dose of karma wouldn't help he says Okay, anything else would just go for the Carmen. That's it You've got karma K4 CA y 73s we have a lot of hams baby. It's the hams you betcha the hams are saving the show mm-hmm Ed love booty yay

1:13:56 200 bucks and it appears to be no jingles nor comment, but he does say be my valentine. Now we did have a special offer that nobody took up on which is to get your name in the newsletter as calling out your partner lover wife husband whatever for his as your Valentine And nobody picked up on this. I thought about this because it was like, that was a good idea, it was a good gimmick people give 200 this and that is not like completely outrageous. I'm going to reintroduce it again on Tuesday before Wednesday but I don't know if its gonna help. I concluded that it was my write-up on the newsletter that was the problem! Okay what happened? I think it was confusing

1:14:40 poorly sold i think was done poorly should put more the information top not not after explaining the whole damn thing it was very poorly done i think people who like to study the newsletter for its sales attributes cuz there's a sales pitch in their every newsletter sometimes is strong sometimes this week. and see how poorly done this was. It was just poorly done, it reminded me of the more recent Poorly Done newsletter where I confused people about the double your you know you get two executive producer credits in some people including the chefs thought that it meant... Oh yeah there were all kinds of crap with that Yeah so now I'm concerned Yes! I know you took a B12 this morning so that can't be it

1:15:26 I don't know. Maybe i'm losing my touch Have you been socializing with the strange people? Well, I socialize with the two liberals that are just kind of... Yeah well if you're flame texting with them they could have thrown your game off man Trying to think did I do that before or after the note? See, I don't know. Well, I don't have a timeline so iI don't know well anyway feel disappointed Yeah, nobody cares you know but didn't know apparently nobody has any love in their life if they wanted it I personally although yeah the newsletter I thought was a bit weak Well, thanks. You said it was a good idea you said that's not the feedback I got from you It was a very...it was a good idea but yeah when I saw it come through because I only get the text beforehand and don't get the full thing so maybe it was layout but I think the issue is that we to ride on something like Valentine's Day

1:16:23 you know, we need the mainstream to kind of... that it's a way we can ride and they don't really crank it up until tomorrow. And you know, it's no one is thinking really about Valentine's Day yet on Saturday when the newsletter comes out. Maybe you might be right but it's Valentine's day Wednesday and our next show is on Thursday Yeah I know...I think maybe its a kids thing You have little valentines so you can insult the little boy If your girl or little girl shouldn't get a valentine from you she feels bad It was a yeomans job but still Yeomans job? Yeoman? Yeoman!

1:17:01 Well, anyway I feel the it was like a fail. That's right hashtag fail But you have some funny pictures in there including that one from Saudi Arabia And I want to mention since since that was I put at little note at the bottom sink and anyone verify this is somebody indeed Verified it that dead. It's legit that in McDonald's, in Saudi Arabia women aren't allowed. Please no women! No women at the McDonalds I'll bet you ten bucks your service dog can go in but no women Yeah Well, this is a part of our value for value model which works reasonably well. The idea that you can monetize the network is something I've said it's just really not possible and probably in our second donation segment we should talk about it...

1:17:51 Yeah, we should do it in the second one. Well we should a little bit but I want to make sure that if you put on note down We have to talk about the Newsweek situation That's what i'm going to talk about in the second segment that's exactly what I said well You didn't say that I'm not a psychic I can't read your mind Well since you and I had an email thing about it. I figured maybe you'd be psychic yeah? Well, I'm not dead I can't remember doing that So, uh... But I do want to you know because we have all these interesting things like karma. You know F cancer Karma jobs Karma and there's something about the no agenda community and the value for value model that struck me really hard while reading this book by a guy named Johan Hari it's called Lost Connections Uncovering the Real Causes of Depression And The Unexpected Solutions This is a fascinating book which... Are you depressed? No Which are you

1:18:41 No, I don't. Are you sure? Because you do exhibit some of the symptoms. Oh yeah like what? Well look if you read the book and I will definitely...I want to tell you a little bit about it because what this guy did- Just give me a summary If you'll stop interrupting me I shall Good This guy went to as many researchers who had done studies about depression as he could because he had suffered from depression And what he found, and this is why he wrote this book is it's no surprise to us in the No Agenda thinking that SSRIs you know these are the serotonin inhibitors. Is Prozac an SSRI as well? I believe so. Was that the Mac Daddy of them all but all these different

1:19:25 medications. If you do the FOIA requests and you really see the studies, of course there's 500 studies 498 are not published although they do have to give them to the FDA but the two successful ones that say oh people who have depression... The best! It works it's perfect and then it gets on the market And through a lot of studies they found, this will be no surprise that it really you know people are given a placebo don't see much less of an improvement over people who receive the drug. I mean really like 1% is really low

1:20:03 And the story, and this is what fascinated me is that he had been roped into SSRI's which he wound up taking for 14 years. The story is that you have a chemical imbalance in your brain and that's how they've been sold although... I didn't know this. There is zero study anywhere that says depression comes from a chemical imbalance in the brain If you look at someone who's depressed, you do a scan You're going to see something different than someone who was not depressed But that is a symptom Not the cause So he went back and tried to find out what really is the cause of depression And it's a whole bunch of things Very obvious but no one has ever stopped to ask people Why are you depressed? Oh, you're depressed

1:20:48 This SSRI will help you, which it does temporarily. It takes away a little bit of that feeling but then the depression creeps up they up the dosage and that's how I just stay on the ladder for the rest of your life until it ends up usually winds out pretty badly for people But as he goes through it if it turns out that a lot of depression comes from the lifestyle that we have today and what humans apparently really need is connection and social media plays right into this but it's really, it's fake. It's not a real connection which gives people incredible endorphins and all the stuff you need to feel very happy when you're part of a community like the No Agenda Community But it only works...and this is why I bring this up And I'm sure we'll be talking about this book more in the future It only works if you also have

1:21:43 in-person contact. We are built for it, we're geared for it, its necessary and I am committing now we've talked about this but I'm committing to do meetups regularly and it shows the No Agenda community do meetups without us they get together because they need it! We all needed so bear that in mind. These are good meetups because you have people that have been kind of broken away from the Pack totally and who are who are either healthy or Desperately want to be healthy because today's life is anything but you know, and again this book It's just really nicely worded. There's nothing that we don't know You know Because obviously advertising is geared to let you know that your loser unless you drink this beer Don't never get laid if you don't have that car. You're just a dumb shit these days they even make the men look like dumb shits in the commercials on purpose

1:22:39 So it's meant to scare you into it and if you are human, and this is a big thing that really hit me. If you're in a job that doesn't really do anything for you doesn't excite you as just a job to make money You're gonna get depressed if you aren't depressed already And now if you like making money Well, people who like making money are the most depressed. They're the most depressed because you cannot trick your human psyche into feeling happy just because you made more money that's the materialistic ego and it doesn't work but anyway meetup coming in Austin very soon so Texas and all surrounding states be ready because not only do you need it I needed to So we need some personal connection And you're going out for more meetups too John

1:23:26 Yeah, I got a Bay Area meetup coming up. Probably do another one in LA. I'd like to do a Seattle meetup. Well we have an idea and I asked you to pick a date which you haven't done yet but we'll pick a date We're going to do a meet-up in Austin And we're gonna connect that meet-up with your meet-ups So on the same day more or less at the same time. Yeah, we need a couple dudes named Bannon. We're gonna put some big screens and they have cameras on each meet-up and it will be kind of a joint meet-up. Yeah yeah! And we could even do more if we wanted Like what? Well, we could have more people with their meetups connecting. Oh yeah maybe Well, let's do the one first and then we can start it. I started with that if we even get that done Anyway, the book is called lost connections It's on Kindle. I think it sounds like it's condemning the social media a That's part of what it does But when you read this III realized once again, oh there's no wonder I love my job because it doesn't feel like a job and as long As I can pay the rent and eat I really don't care

1:24:27 I know you may feel differently. That's why you may be a little more depressed than me. Why don't, I'm not depressed? Why are you saying I am depressed? Do i sound depressed? Why don't you wrap this because if you do mention eating I have a whole, I have three clips on eating. I would like to thank everybody who came in today as an associate executive producer and our Insta-Baron big executive producer single standing line we'll be thanking more people and talking more about advertising which doesn't seem to work as well versus our model in our second segment and please remember another show coming up on Thursday.

1:25:06 Slash n a and you have four days in the meantime to go out there talk to everybody propagate the formula Our formula is this we go out. We hit people in the mouth All righty So this woman was on C-SPAN, I'm looking for stuff. Book TV is very interesting on C-SPAN because you get these authors and they pretty much give you the book. They summarize their own book and it's like very interesting so this woman comes out, I wasn't planning on watching this, I just caught it

1:25:52 Now she's reading from her book on eating, and her name is Rebecca Hertz. H-E-R-T-Z And she is an expert on eating. I've got three clips to play. One is just the end of her reading about the book where she got a round of applause. She says that reading from her book is not as entertaining but it's talking about how you can use smells to do dieting by, if you're getting like an urge to eat or really hungry something. You smell something that has nothing to do with food like crayons or she likes to use methyl acetate personally. So wait so that can deter you from eating? Yeah Or make you eat or either way I guess No no it deters you and vanilla makes you eat more if you smell that

1:26:38 but generally speaking, smelling something that's not food related that is memorable smell will... It takes your brain and scrambles it and says no no let me think about this. You lose your appetite for it. Oh interesting. It doesn't last forever but its something you can do to trick yourself into not eating when you get the munchies so that's the... This clip hurts. This is her summary reading from the book and then gets interesting Odors trigger our most emotional and evocative memories. Therefore, the most effective way to use them as a diet aid is to find an aroma or several which not only distracts you from thoughts of donuts but triggers personal memories potent enough to disrupt what you were thinking about – donuts or otherwise.

1:27:22 Aromas that take you on a trip down memory lane or transport you back to a moment when you were especially fulfilled, or inspire you with feelings of confidence can wrench from your cravings while also delivering a punch of positive emotion that may give you the fortitude to move beyond your unbidden food desires. The key is to find the aromas that are particularly evocative for you. As due to our unique experiences, the scents connected to most motivating memories are different for everyone. Once you've found aromas that carry you to special moments in time or uplift you with invigorating emotions try inhaling one when a craving that you want to dispel hits

1:27:59 Even after the intensity of the memory and feeling fades, now that you have reoriented yourself mentally your craving should be diminished so that you can get on with what you are doing without succumbing to temptation at least for a little while. Odors and tastes are extremely powerful sensory forces, and they guide and shape our experiences with food and life in a multitude of extraordinary ways. But there are also many other sensory and psychological factors that play pivotal roles in whether we reach for a burger or banana and how much we eat when we do." Oh! That sounds plausible. Yeah the author she's the book is Why You Eat What You Eat. And she is very interesting... I have the munchies that's why I eat

1:28:42 But when the question and answers came up, it became I thought a lot more fascinating because there was more specifics. And she talked about some research So let's, I heard two more clips and this is the one. This is the loud noises and sweet flavors clip. They're giant oven somewhere that are invisible but in fact there aren't so actually Cinnabon as a classic example their aroma of cinnamon is extremely intense and alluring and there was no one baking cinnamon buns anywhere nearby And a bunch of coffee establishments often will do the same kind of tricks. Restaurants as well, if there's like an Italian restaurant often they'll pipe out sort of garlicky aromas and this is to lure people in by their noses because often even when we're not hungry if we smell something that's really appetizing it will not only make us want to eat but make us want to eat that specific food so yes there is food marketing in that way

1:29:40 There's also things that restaurants I think don't realize that they're doing which have counterproductive effects on eating, especially the more expensive restaurants and trendy restaurants which is playing really loud music. And even though that might be cool it actually has a detrimental effect on your experience of eating for two reasons. One because really loud music and especially really fast music makes you eat more quickly and makes you want to leave more quickly so that you're not getting the full enjoyment of the meal. And another thing actually has to do with the fact that loud noise, in fact influences our ability to taste and this is why on airplanes food never tastes very good even when your in first class. That's because a loud ambient noise actually affects

1:30:24 It's one of the cranial nerves that is involved in our ability to taste foods. The cortitimony nerve, which is the cranial nerve involved in hearing, is actually also involved in taste perception and really loud noise which is activating that has a dampening effect on sweet taste and salty tastes—two tastes we like a lot So, you know whatever you're eating when it's really loud like the 80 to 90 decibel rumble on an airplane is going to taste less sweet and less salty. And so that's good. It doesn't however affect bitterness. So the grapefruit that you get in your morning transcontinental flight is really bitter and doesn't have any of the sweetness or doesn't have as much of a sweetness as he would've gotten otherwise. So loud noise in restaurants like I said even I don't think restaurants realize this has detrimental impact on diners experiences

1:31:11 I didn't know that. I didn't know it either, but it makes sense from the way she explains it and um... And I've always found that really loud places-I don't like to go there. I don't like to go to loud- I mean restaurants are so loud you can hear the other person talk Yeah we went to uh when were in Chicago over Christmas We went to a steakhouse and the music was just a little too loud And it was also kind of 70s, 80's music which is odd for this type of place. It detracts from the experience for sure. Yeah I don't know what they're thinking and here's the last one which i thought was another thing that we should all note

1:31:53 Are there like different patterns or desires with food intake if you were like say eating alone or eating at the dinner table with a group of people and your in an egregious conversation? Yeah, absolutely. In fact the number of people you're with exponentially influences how much you consume. And so eating just one other person increases how much you want to eat If your eating with six other people it's much more than that Even eating with strangers makes you eat more than when you are by yourself although not to the same extent And there's another factor which you also mentioned in your question, which is that what you're doing with those other people talking vigorously being excited and if it's something that you're celebrating then also encourages more eating. If food is also in front of you for longer then you keep on reaching into it and another really interesting thing is if you don't see the discard from your food so let's say you went to a bar with your friends after a softball game

1:32:47 And you're ordering nachos and chicken wings and this and that. And the server is continuously clearing the table so that you don't see how much you've consumed, You'll keep ordering another round of chicken wings over here. If you see the bones piling up... You're more likely to say oh my goodness hold on a second So there's definitely the social environment has a really big impact Okay, you always learn something on the no agenda show. Well I'll add to that from that's what was the name of her book a why we eat Why you eat what you eat so lost connections? Was looking into obesity and there was and these study it's great You started looked a couple of them up there. No he has footnotes and everything these are studies That have been funded properly and done

1:33:37 And they wanted to see well, what if you just like a political prisoner who goes on the hunger strike? What if you just have people not eat but you give them the nutrients they need so, you know enough vitamin C's that don't die of scurvy and all this other stuff and This one study was done with I think 400 people Who were around four hundred pounds obese. Can you imagine that room? Oh And so they did exactly that and they were able to take people from 400 pounds to 150 pounds in about four months. But once they were done, within three weeks they'd be eating so much there were 250 pounds and they just rocketed back up to 400. And they said well why is this happening? Obviously it's the intake of food, the amount of food...and no one had done this 60%

1:34:27 all obese people in this study had been sexually abused as a child and the number one way to protect yourself is to make yourself unattractive. 60% John, that's crazy! That's big numbers. Yeah but there was 40 percent that weren't and they were still fat you had to deal with them. She has she has a discussion about this she says it's...and I would talk about the forty percent not the abused She says that everybody has a some... There's some study that talks about you get there's a middle ground where you're gonna gravitate toward this weight and size. If you go over, you gravitate back down if you go under your gravitate back up and there are some people that are just big. Sure! And they're in Texas by the way Well we eat entire cows at a time We eat a lot

1:35:26 the uh... i thought there was something in the house and all of our read that book so it now there was a good guy to be in first class and you're gonna get into good food yet they can't be argued at the end of the day but they've got a point of contact with those headphones on cd gotta have the noise-canceling headphones yet put those on and food will taste a lot better time to try that doesn't even remember trying home well just when I thought the pipeline wars were over may pull me back in You know, we're at war once again now in Syria. At a very interesting spot where we have bombed back that is what the term I've heard used bomb back the Syrian army Now it's a it's a spot where the old pipeline would cross you know We still have the competing pipelines

1:36:16 the Qatari pipeline which is supposed to go up originally into Turkey but it may go into Greece and we still have the Iran-Iraq Syria pipeline, and that's part of what this is. But just a back rounder on February 2nd Associated Press reporting The United States has no evidence to confirm reports from aid groups and others that the Syrian government has used deadly chemical sarin on its citizens. This is mad as Mad Dog quote we have other reports in the battlefields from people who claim it's been used we do not have evidence of it but a butt butt just

1:36:59 A couple days later, good old Heather there in the State Department. The Secretary recently talked about this and let me just underscore and highlight some of the important things that we would like to see take place with regard to Russia as it pertains to Syria They need to stop using chemical weapons. Syria does but we also know that chemical weapons use is enabled by Russia They need to support a new mandate like... We know, it's just the fact. We know chemical weapons are enabled by Russia I'm not sure what it means Does it mean they're giving them to them? They're looking the other way. The Russians helped take those weapons out of there, we actually are the ones that disposed of them Well apparently even though there's no evidence according to Mad Dog, the State Department So Mad Dog says there is no evidence We on this show have pointed out study after study that showed one attack not the most recent but the last one

1:37:54 or the one earlier that was attributed to the Obama administration. Yeah, that one was shown to be bullcrap because the missiles went too far they're wrong kind of missiles it's a wrong kind of gas. And they tested chemical weapons in the UK this is why Obama didn't attack and once he got the report its like oh shit thats not theirs you remember that? Yeah, I do remember that and it was like it became a problem because he didn't attack He didn't attack right because the world order the neocons and everybody. That's all war yeah hungry They're back there back. Let's finish this just listen to Heather She she this is a PR job of epic proportions You'll hear her she even breaks her typical cadence

1:38:39 to really add some emotional emphasis to how horrible this is. Syria does, but we also know that chemical weapons use is enabled by Russia They need to support a new mandate, like the JIM, which has been foiled multiple times at the UN Security Council. Secretary Tillerson – we talked about this the other day – took part in the Paris signing of a new entity that's been set up by the French with I believe it's 25 other governments who care about having an investigative mechanism put in place so that we can prevent the use of chemical weapons against civilians. Let me remind you

1:39:17 six times in the last 30 days. Some form of chemical weapons have been used on the Syrian people, it's disgusting it's horrific and its evil and we would like to see that stop but we'll keep following this will keep working on it the government is meeting I have to assure you that this is a top issue for us yeah it's a top issue and she's promoting this because we need or cover for the war that were now starting Or just continuing or whatever it is and there's a lot of issues in this region we know that we now have as we talked about maybe five years ago now, there's a dispute about the Leviathan oil field the gas field Israel says it's theirs. Now Lebanon is saying wow No, that's it's part of its ours You know whose is it really so there's trouble there but the Golan Heights The Golan Heights

1:40:12 This is the region that lies right in between Syria and Israel. This is occupied territory, Israel claimed that after the 67 Six-Day War and in 2015 you'll never guess but they discovered this may have the largest oil field underneath it larger than what Saudi Arabia can tap into That's pretty big I don't know anything about the numbers that they're saying here, about the Strata and whatever it is. But this is disputed territory and I'm sure the Russians do not want Israel in America to get that." You know, I want to mention something. Heather would not be getting away with this if Gayan Chichikhan

1:41:08 or any Russian was in that room, that used to be in the room during the Obama administration grilling them anytime they brought up Russia or blaming Russia for something that's not verified or provable. Yeah you're right! You're right this is very weak they've kicked all those people out Well, there is a company that has the drilling rights. That company is called AFEC A-F-E-C It's public? No! Believe me I checked it is a subsidiary of Gini oil and gas Is that public? Let me see...I don't believe so let me just check Somebody's got to be public Yes GNE

1:41:57 GNE. That's their symbol, good you want to look it up? I'm gonna do that right now okay this will just now depending on how the war goes it'll be a long or short we're not really sure yet well probably won't be as short because usually these companies aren't that shortable they just would just do it they'd just stay where they were and then I gotta go down unless they've already unless they've skyrocketed people know about when I read the following names to you you'll want to go along now reminder that our Secretary of State, who Heather works for is Rex Tillerson. He's an oil guy so you know I there's no doubt about in my mind where once again we send in the US military known as the United States Mineral Extraction Unit to be sent them and kill everybody around then we protect it all so that we can go and drill The Strategic Advisory Board of Gini Oil & Gas You ready? Four dollars a share

1:42:56 Oh, steel. Well you don't know that could go broke tomorrow but anyway go on On the strategic advisory board Dick Cheney Rupert Murdoch Yep Bill Richardson James R. James Woolsey CIA Director of CIA Dr Lawrence Summers and then my favorite Jacob Rothschild oh my god It's the trifecta More than a trifecta it's a quadrifectum Yes So that's what this is about and we're going to use the cover of their... We need a JIM, which is the Joint Investigation... I forget what it's called. I have it here. Yeah, Joint Investigative Mechanism which was blown up a couple years ago The Russians said screw this we don't want to be they vetoed it It's a UN thing

1:43:59 which no one really cares, but they're just looking for cover. They're looking for cover and that's what this is about It's just extracting resources from arguably stolen land or disputed land let's put it that way. Disputed! Well, when you visit Israel they'll tell you there's good reasons for it. But... You know? You'd be floating around one of the cities and they point at the Golan Heights and say see up there? They could be bombing us from up there! Yeah. Because it's up in the air, you know what I mean? It's like just- you can throw rocks that go a mile. Anyway, yeah, I'm disappointed by this behavior. And more disappointed than knowing the State Department who stands up like you said, Ghian Chichikhan, and says hey

1:44:46 What is going on here? That has nothing to do with your story. Now, let's play action over Syria this is the Saturday report from yesterday and what's good this is from PBS I'm looking forward. Action for Syria. Good evening and thanks for joining us. Conflict in the skies over Syria and Israel this evening following the most serious skirmishes between the two countries since 2011 right now to Israeli pilots are being treated for injuries after Syria shot down their F-16 while they were striking what Israel says our Iranian air bases within Syria But today's violence began after Israel shot down an Iranian drone which entered Israeli airspace from Syria. An Israeli military spokesman warned Iran is dragging the region into an adventure in which it doesn't know how it will end. So, it's Iran now? Okay good!

1:45:39 We're back to the west now you know now it's very suspicious because if you listen they went on with this story was some woman. Who is that would be his blue eyes of ever seen should be english girl and she was doing a remote on skype normally i would play at least some of it, If you don't mind the whole thing sounding like this. Yeah, it's harsh right now It's rough and so I wasn't gonna play it and she went on to discuss that there was a second strike That first day the first strike was against Iranian drone base yeah And the second strike was another Iranian drone base and that's what got my attention Which is why would they have two? Drone bases

1:46:23 in Syria that needed to be bombed. And do they? I doubt it. Or are they talking about little drones? There's a dude with the remote control on the ground and all of sudden he's got a hellfire No, they're talking about drone bases which means they're talking about big drones, the big boys That's my guess! It could be bullshit but where was the drone shot down we don't know Was it shot down over Golan Heights? You know that just scoping out the area that has got oil you say is there Could be Somebody says its there And then Were they bombing the areas where the pipelines were going to go? I mean, this whole thing with that information. The new information, those stuff that you're putting in a different light doesn't it puts everything in a different light and now we have to look at it from that perspective skeptical and doesn't help because I was very dissatisfied with my military contacts. I said well why are we why are we bombing the Syrians And what I got back was they came too close

1:47:18 And by the way, it's funny because ISIS is actually in the no-man's land in between the Syrians and us. So they're basically caught in the hellfire but you know was like they got too close I'm not buying it that I don't like your answer this is the answer well without anybody asking strong questions in the State Department briefing will never find out Which is why you need RT in there. And the fact that it's not been discussed, we don't have any Russians... I don't know maybe there is a Russian and they're not saying anything but usually we would have a Russian or even Matt stop him at this because what she said was the usual stuff that Matt usually stops them too which is we know the Russians are doing this well how do we know that?

1:48:11 And of course you'd have to say the Russian investigation with Trump is also part of the smokescreen. So we're dealing with a smoke screen here, A big one as usual Well it's because there are alot of monies involved Jacob Rothschild wow! There's a guy Did you ever see that video of the kid who goes up to Jacob Rothschild? Because Rothschild... When he was in his garden No, no he's roaming around. He just left a meeting Oh no And he was roaming around the streets Just roamin' Cause lot of these rich guys are like that Because you don't know what they look like They feel very comfortable just roaming around without body guards Body gods? Gods And so um... He's roaming around this guy caught basically a costume and starts grilling him about the Illuminati It's just the funniest thing ever Cause Roger doesn't know what the kid is talking about Yeah he does

1:49:03 I don't think so. Yeah, I do. That's right everybody we've been looking for she has emerged as the CEO of a top war-mongering think tank Victoria Kagan Noodleman She's reappearing on the scene now as the CEO of what is that outfit called again? Isn't she just a PR woman? Now she's a CEO well. How does that work? She's the wife of And she was an ambassador, come on. She was the Deputy Secretary of State. Well she started off as a PR woman how did she get to there even? Well Trump started off as a builder of slums and I mean come on what kind of question is that

1:49:50 It's a good one. It's the Center for a New American Security, so yeah I've heard of these guys warmongering think-tank pretty much I'd like to remind you who else is in that group? There's a whole bunch of creeps in there Yeah we went through the list I can tell you now what does it Center for American security center or America security let's see boy man She's looking a little rough Vicki. I don't think she's a happy camper No, probably not okay Let's say CNAS org seen ass and let's see if we can find about I think I read this list previously People know my board of advisors. Let's see it looks like she just doesn't look good. Yes. She looks like William Shatner There's a lot of insults you couldn't give out but

1:50:49 Well, Shatner looks fine but he's 80. I mean you know and he's puffy so the board of advisors is not it's just all military people as far as i can see on the board of directors Armitage course Lieberman J Johnson James Murdoch oh those guys spread out the Murdochs don't they Yeah, it's a military outfit Anyway she was interviewed by Politico one of her best friends who works at Politica. Oh I left that out of it Let's remember what she said in that taped telephone conversation That the Russians released we believe it was the Russians this is where the way? I recall it

1:51:36 We went in saying the Russians are trying to screw up the elections or trying to take over the place we got to go in and we gotta rig the elections and we're gonna put our guys in and this was caught on tape and The Russians published that and here's a copy of the damning part Remember if I told you this or if I only told Washington this that when I talked to Jeff Feltman This morning. He had a new name for the UN guy Robert Sari did I write it at this morning? Yeah He's now gotten both Sari and Ban Ki-moon to agree that Sari could come in Monday or Tuesday. Okay

1:52:14 So that would be great, I think to help glue this thing and have the UN help glue it. And you know fuck the EU No exactly and i think we've got to do something to make it stick together because You can be pretty sure that if it does start to gain altitude The Russians will be working behind the scenes To try to torpedo it Okay so I think that kind of backs up our theory And if you listen to the whole conversation, they're talking about the boxer. We got to get in him but we gotta put him in the background because he's really no good... You recall this? Yeah they picked leaders They picked who was gonna be mayor I mean WE! Let's just let's just be honest about it. We picked them and we were fighting fighting the Russians and we were meddling in someone else's elections To an extreme, I might point out. To an extreme or hand-picking people. While I'm driving off laughing this is what I'll say

1:53:05 You know, the Russians must be beside themselves thinking that release of that tape would have sunk her forever. And that she's now back, you mean? Well she never left. She has always been in the program. Well she actually mentions that so this is a long interview I just picked out one piece about this particular situation well in some ways they've been quite successful at doing that not only in the 2016 election hacking which of course will... You know how much I love when people journos just say the 2016 election hacking what does that supposed to mean

1:53:52 That is horrible. It's a meme, but it's a lie! It's a total lie and what hacking specifically? Yeah well in some ways they've been quite successful at doing that not only in the 2016 election hacking which of course we'll talk about but let's go back in time to 2014 arguably you were at the leading edge of this You were being hacked before as I said before it was fashionable You know, now everything's hacked. Before it was fashionable before 2014 by the way yes it wasn't fashionable but now it's fashionable. What did you learn from that incident? Let's talk about it you're there in Ukraine as this street revolution is unfolding around and a pro-Russia regime ultimately is replaced with

1:54:47 pro-Western regime. And you were taped, unbeknownst to you... Well I thought she was hacked but no she was taped Talking with your colleague the US ambassador Ukraine So I learned that this movement that was going on in Ukraine, which remember was about integrating with the EU. They didn't even want to join the EU they just wanted to be able to trade and have free... What? That's bull crap! What was it about? They wanted to join the EU as a big deal. In fact, it was the Russians who demanded that they never ever think about it and said wait a minute we want to join the EU would be cool! It was the whole Ascension thing...it happened amongst the midst of Ukraine shutting off Russian gas into Europe. Yeah they wanted to join the EU so you couldn't do this. They wanted to be in the EU Vicky!

1:55:44 She knows this, she's a liar. It gets better. What was going on in Ukraine which remember was about integrating with the EU. They didn't even want to join the EU they just wanted to be able to trade and have free... Oh yeah, just trade. ...was so threatening to the Putin administration that they would pull out Cold War style dirty tricks not just against me, but of course against the Ukrainians and against others who supported them. And that the gloves were coming off and the knives were coming out that we were not going to have a fair fight to allow folks to choose for themselves

1:56:27 Gonna be a real struggle. So we had to meddle in their elections pretty hostile act, you know publicly release this phone call which is Inflammatory what you're saying at the EU? I'm sure that's made for some fun conversations with your your fellow diplomats so just to recap that moment what was going on was You know we had 200,000 protesters on the streets of Ukraine. Yes we saw you handing out cookies. Hold on a second back here stop it. Back a little bit. When she says this Of course, this is Lisa Desjardins that can spot her voice interviewing her and she's the one with the big nose and the one who has got some connection to one of the donors for the show. I mentioned this before Victoria says we

1:57:23 We had 200,000 people on the street. Yes! Thank you! Remember we had... yeah because we organized it. It wasn't they who had to do it, the Ukrainians had 2,000 people It's we we had 200,000 you nailed it believable and does Lisa say anything about your usage? No because well I didn't I should have clipped the opening. It's like my good friend Victoria Newland Yes, you know publicly released this phone call which has this inflammatory moment where you're saying F the EU I'm sure that made for some fun conversations with your fellow diplomats. So just to recap that moment, what was going on was

1:58:08 You know, we had had 200,000 protesters on the streets of Ukraine and Maidan in the snow for two months protesting that their leader was realigning with Russia and not allowing them to integrate with the EU. And there was no clear constitutional way for them to express their views through the ballot box so they – we were trying form some kind of a work with Ukrainians to form some kind of a technical government. Again, we and then she catches herself trying to work with the Ukrainians. So you're sort of talking about all the different politicians who are in the mix for this job? One of whom I saw is going to be here in Washington this week next week right? So essentially what was happening was we were trying to help midwife between the government and the opposition coalition government

1:58:59 and we were getting closer finally, and Yanukovych had finally offered the opposition some slots in this government. But the opposition wasn't going to negotiate unless there was a neutral observer And so we were trying to get the EU to come in and be that neutral observer How can you be neutral if part of the argument is they want to be in the EU? That's not neutral Indecisive By the way that's bullshit because they wanted to bring in the UN The Dutch guy. That's who they wanted to bring in to do some negotiations I remember that moment was about to pass so in my private conversation out of frustration It wasn't a you know strategic frustration it was a tactical frustration Tactical frustration versus the strategic trial fresh she has it brother

1:59:46 That's unbelievable, did he even say that? What does it mean? It doesn't mean anything. She is saying it like I should... Well maybe it means something to her! Tactical frustration that means she was frustrated on purpose Yes, that's what I'm thinking. you know, strategic frustration. It was a tactical frustration. I use this barnyard epithet and say let's use the UN as the negotiator and then of course the Russians tried to make that an indictment of us-of me too

2:00:38 because we were, frankly being too effective on the ground and they wanted to get us off the boards. What's interesting right in hindsight well a in hindsight it seems kind of queen I mean frankly you know Barnard epithet but now look at that you know language we use in public now in our debates but um you know what is she talking about? Well that apparently in our debates these days ever since Donald Trump was president let's just dig at him uh...we use the f-word all the time I guess that's what she means. When was the last time you heard Trump use the F word? Never! I've never heard it No, i've heard him use the S word but not the f-word. A shithole yeah. They wanted to get us off the boards

2:01:23 Did you ever hear him actually say that? No, but I was he has said we should bomb the shit out of them. I've heard him say that not the shithole. I've heard that In hindsight it seems kind of clean. I mean frankly as a Barnard epithet But now look at the language we use in public now in our debates Right Yeah, no you were ahead of the curve. She was ahead of the curve with the efforts! Well she's responsible for Trump that's right Did we understand at that moment? That was a pretty aggressive move by the Russians too That was pretty aggressive in those moments and times No I certainly knew they were hearing the conversation and frankly I thought... I certainly knew they were hearing the conversation. Really now, Vicky?

2:02:20 matter of transparency between us and them. Midwife a coalition which might have helped them that's interesting so now she's claiming she knew they were listening and she thought it would be good if they heard what she was trying to do because it would also benefit the Russians that is now her story. Unbelievable! It as well but too but to release it the way they did in an effort to embarrass us, you know perhaps get the president to fire me or whatever. That of course backfired but that was only the first salvo right? And then later when the State Department was hacked and in 2015 so they really began using these asymmetric tools... Asymmetric tools! No does that mean we don't have the capability to wire tap and publish it why is that asymmetric

2:03:14 Asymmetric is, in my understanding used More for terrorism for jihadis who come in and you know, they're under cuts asymmetric means that the two sides have differing powers One has massive power. And the other one is like a sniper That would be asymmetric right? This is not even it's not symmetric So I don't know what she's talking about the first that was Salvo right at it and then later when the State Department was hacked and and in 2015. So they really began using these asymmetric tools... Hold on a second, stop! If she's going to make the claim that it is asymmetric that means the Russians probably didn't hack anything because they haven't got the power when you're using that term which I think you analyzed correctly That means you're the weak partner Yeah

2:04:04 and you're using chicken shit tactics, but you can't do much more because it's like ISIS. They haven't got ships they haven't got jets right they haven't got anything they've got a bunch of stolen tanks right and so then making it sound like the Russians have no capabilities that you have to use these chicken shit tactics over then they didn't hack their DNC But they did hack something else. And then later when the State Department was hacked and in 2015, so they really began using these asymmetric tools that they had used on their own population that they had used in Ukraine that they'd used in Eastern Europe They began using them very aggressively on us Right So that's what was new about the incident with you is that it was taking this playbook arguably sort of a KGB Playbook adapted to a new technological era right? What?!

2:04:58 This is baffling to me and they're in agreement like this is new I don't know by taking that playbook, and they'd used it in their neighboring countries right actually you know I should be grateful that they used a tape rather than polonium They also they didn't get your email yeah Well, we'll talk about that at another time. Okay interesting We'll talk about your emails So needless to say she doesn't go back to the emails Noodleman just said there that they had she admitted they someone She would claim the Russians hacked into her email which we have not heard of this is a huge scoop Huge and in she's she's flustered for a moment yeah I'm just have to go back. She's flustered well

2:05:51 And then she said, well we'll just talk about that another time. Taking that playbook and they'd used it in their neighboring countries. Actually you know I should be grateful that they used a tape rather than polonium right? Well that's right also they didn't get your emails. Well...we'll talk about that at another time Okay interesting! We will talk about your emails Yeah no and you don't because you're friends with her and she gave you the old X-NAY on the email Story a wink-wink wink nudge nudge really despicable So she's back. Well, she's she's a creep You know I'm gonna have to figure out how to do a little work on oh

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2:16:48 And head over to noagendanation.com slash rings Give Eric the show your size and when you get everything in tweet it I saw three this past week There was a really good one from West, Texas Did you see that where the guy had like his fists with the ring and a big oil rig in the background? I didn't see that. Oh, it's good. Yeah, I retweet him when i see him It's on the tweeters yeah it was very good Now you sent me this article about Newsweek and I knew that they were going through some crap but this really is quite extraordinary Yeah, read from it. The publisher of Newsweek and the International Business Times has been engaging in fraudulent online traffic practices that helped it secure a major ad buy from a US government agency according to a new report released today by independent ad fraud researchers

2:17:39 That is the meat of the story. They were invaded by the Attorney General's office, they had a raid for their books and computers and this has now gotten down to the newsroom...a blame game in the newsroom which maybe you can speak too? Well now we're having there was a couple things going on with these with the publisher and editor and a lot people quit Because these are these insightful reporters that don't seem to understand what's going on and then they when they found out a little bit, they decided to report on it. Maybe a strange question but could you explain the functions of the editor versus the publisher? The publisher sells ads, the editor creates content... Are they an equal footing?

2:18:30 Depends, it varies from publication to publication. Some structures are very complicated and some structures are very simple and generally speaking they're both very powerful and they both try to keep to themselves. And one side sells ads and fills up the ads and pays for their editors to create content that put into the publication in a nutshell. They're not supposed to intermingle because it is church and state. It's a Chinese wall so one of the reporters I guess wrote up some of the hanky-panky in an article about their own paper or about Newsweek itself, and this got everybody bent out of shape because

2:19:17 the reporter in the editor said, well we were just reporting based on the facts and then they approached us about us. You're gonna put us out of business you idiots? And it is usually not done I mean when... But but but the tension with online publications because this is really all about online and to reiterate we've discussed many times on this show what can't make money I was gonna say the way it's done is you go to companies like Monopoly Inc. and there are other outfits out there, you say okay I want two million clicks this month okay that'll cost ya... There will be a $5 CPM that costs per thousand so it would be five thousand dollars for a million ten thousand for two million and then you turn around and you sell those clicks those so-called views

2:20:12 is clicks or views or whatever it is more views but you sell that for $7 CPM I'm just giving your numbers there's a spread in there, its called arbitrage and that's how they make money but you still have the pressure of creating stories to get clicks which and thats what the publisher was then mad at the editor because they did some bogative story Which story was that? There seemed to be a lot of bitching and moaning going around from both sides. I found that, yeah they weren't doing enough click bait Yeah they didn't have enough click bait for sure It wasn't enough click bait which is typical True! And there was also the way they were doing it was you know buying... They were obviously... That's never said in here but it was obvious that they were buying clicks

2:21:01 from Click Farms. Yes, which is verboten it's against the law Oh I didn't realize it's against the law! I think its against yes it's advertising fraud well then all of Silicon Valley can go down the tubes everybody's doing this I think you've been saying that for years yeah sorry yeah I guess what you haven't been hearing for years is against the law I did not realize it was actually illegal to do It's fraud It's just simple fraud. And no matter how you do it, some people use bots, bots come in to click away or the bots are trained to go onto a page from different IP addresses, click on a couple of things as if they were actually there and then go away and come in again two seconds later with a different IP address spoofing something else and there's ways of doing this and these people have set up shop

2:21:59 All over the world that do this in some cases they may be a more advanced versions are in the philippines and i think in india where they have people. There instead of a bot you actually have people coming in every couple seconds And there's you have you can have a room of 100 people they crank crank up a lot of numbers They go on the site Philippines is where you get that service Philippines. Yeah, let's say it's what I said and They going there click on different all kinds of random stuff So it's almost impossible to determine except for the fact that they're in the Philippines minor minor point It's hard just stop that because of the bot thing so

2:22:40 It's the whole thing is really, I'd say all these online operations that are supposedly making a lot of money. Doing this? Are doing this yeah especially a lot of the video operations in particular and because nobody really has a way to perfectly monetize doing what you could do in print and on television to do that online and make money it can't be done I think it can be done. Not with this model? As you said, I think it can be done. I have no idea how to do it. What we do is just bypassing the model and going with a very old-fashioned model which helps us keep the show going by contributing to it and that goes back to the dark ages before anyone even dreamed up an advertisement but

2:23:36 There's gotta be a way of doing it. I don't know what it is, but you'd think then again maybe the numbers are just so low because nobody really... You know what I mean? YouTube It's probably got the most clicks going through and I don't see that they're not losing their ass. Oh, there are millions and millions of definitely YouTube will eventually shutter They're gonna shutter it for a way. Well, that's why they keep experimenting now They got this TV thing they were advertising which I'm sure is costing him a fortune to advertise well not just to advertise They have to get all the licenses Yes, so I big deal

2:24:12 If Google was forced to spin out their numbers really spin them out instead of just throwing out vague Numbers losing proposition, which is impossible to get him to do because of the nature. There's a stock It's all class you know some sort of classy have no voting rights. You can't do anything it's a dumb shut up slave and we see that YouTube has got to be just a huge dog But there's no way of taking the New York Times, I mean they've yeah they charge you for this but like people say just click on the private browser and you can get The New York Times for free. You don't have that limit and it's all hacking going on not hacking but yeah hacking so people are downloading movies and they're getting free content here. Online things a disaster for publishers if you want to do media in general. In the old way yes

2:25:08 If you're used to the old way, there's no new way. I mean Google found a new way to make money from search and that's the last new thought anyone had. That's new. You're right that's new. That's the only thing is really new Now, the journalists are moving into a new protected class. You'll be happy to hear although I'm not sure you qualify we will look through the documentation there is a bill HR 4935 may also be cited as the Journalist Protection Act. Whee! Yes in general and this is something that gets added to chapter 7 title 18 United States Code

2:25:46 This is assault against journalists. General, whenever in or affecting interstate or foreign commerce intentionally commits or attempts to commit A an act described in subsection B I'll explain that shall be fine under this title are imprisoned no more than three years Or both it says both there should be some money there but you can get maximum six years for creating bodily injury to a journalist. An act described in the subsection is an act that causes a bodily injury to an individual who A, is a journalist B committed with knowledge or reason to know such individual as a journalist and 3 committed while such journalists are taking part in news gathering or with the intention of intimidating or impeding news gathering by such journalists

2:26:34 And then we have the serious bodily injury to a journalist, which is the same. So it's really these two things They define a few pieces in this which is important News gathering the term news gathering means engaging in the regular gathering preparation collection photographing recording writing editing reporting or publishing concerning local national international events Or other matters of public interest I think we do that We gather news that way That's all we do. But what is a journalist? Does it say? Yes, this is the legal definition now Oh we have a legal definition of something that's protected by the US Constitution Okay I like to hear that The term journalist means an individual who Is an employee Independent contractor Or agent of an entity or service that disseminates news or information That's us So far so good

2:27:34 by means of newspaper, nonfiction book, wire service, news agency, news website, mobile application or other news or information service whether distributed digitally or otherwise. News program magazine or other periodical whether in print electronic or other format and is broadcast through television, radio, multi-channel video programming distributor or motion picture for public showing and with the primary intent to investigate events or procure material in order to disseminate the public news information concerning local blah blah blah. I'm sorry you have to belong to

2:28:18 organization that disseminates their news through television broadcasts radio broadcasts multi-channel video programming which is defined as a combination of those in the Communications Act of 1934 or motion picture. So just you know, with your little podcast... You're not a journalist I have other outlets You're not a journalist. Are you on broadcast radio? Multi-channel video programming or radio broadcasts No, what about print prints covered by the by the First Amendment? Yeah I thought it said you do your news distribution company Unless you're on the TV. You're not a journalist is that what you're reading to me That's what it sounds like

2:29:13 What about the magazines? What about the newspaper, what about the New York Times how is that not covered. I'm just telling you how it's written it's very unclear Well I would be up in arms if I was at The New York Times Or if you were journalist maybe you should consider being up in arms Yeah they won't be up in arms no one gets up in arms unless its about Trump Blame Trump somehow and then get up in arms well anyway And uh... It's always little disappointing But with you know the breadth of knowledge that we have, the amount of people that we have who contribute to this program when the most emailed article is about the emotional support hamster.

2:29:53 I mean, the thing is like people want us to go... I didn't even want to cover that story. It's so stupid! People want us to go a little deeper. I understand because i've been on the whole but you know after The Peacock I thought we were kind of done with laughing about it all like okay? It's stupid We know it But now it's still the number one most emailed article A Texas State student Is considering legal action after she claims Spirit Airlines told her to flush her support hamster down the toilet and she did it. Okay, so wait a minute Let me get this straight. So we're only covering the story because somebody wrote a jingle like that fuck yeah That's the no agenda show right there my friend I guess that is how we roll yes? I looked into this um I was little irked about this whole parade thing and

2:31:16 And I said, look Trump has not said he wants this parade. So I did a deeper dive into exactly what's going on. Actually found it really good...I thought it was a good conversation on CBSN of all things. Now CBSN is only online? Yes the online news service yeah. So they bring in this douchebag from some think tank and it the whole conversation was I mean It was a little bit of dimension a lot of Dimension B But they're missing an important fact which we'll get to after this but let's just listen to these as two news hosts And then this jabroni earlier We asked CBS News senior global affairs contributor and president Of the Eurasia group in Bremer about what this type of message would send to the rest of the world first of all You know Trump likes the spectrum

2:32:10 That's pretty clear and while the by the way, he has vocal fry economy is doing quite well right now It's also clear to most around the Trump administration that the ability to actually really provide economically for Trump space Right. I mean they're not doing all that much better in the next four or five or eight years, given the lack of inclusive growth that's happening. You can give them a thousand bucks sort of in tax bonus. You saw the $1.50 a week Paul Ryan comment and the rest but the reality is that a lot of what Trump is giving them

2:32:47 is his refusal to be politically correct is is going after the nfl players for taking any is his border wall and a look out for people like you who have been uh... about your security in your stability and this example that it's bread and circuses right now he wants to have a military parade at you know in times where people don't feel good having a nationalist leader that rallies around the flag in a way that really divides. Yeah, and by the way I'd like to point out based on his own theory that most of the military personnel come from the states that Trump trumped up

2:33:29 So yes, of course he's playing to the base with this if this is exactly what he's thinking us versus them and you're a part Of us. Yeah is it good feeling? And so I think that politically what Trump is doing is actually quite smart It's kind of like the memo yeah right I mean You know release the memo and then you legitimize The FBI and if you know the investigation as a problem for you that the best way to go was to have your base just say This entire process is not worthy of us in our country. It's fake, it's false and I think it's all part of the same message and so far Trump won I don't think there's anybody who is, you know an American would not want to see our sailors Marines soldiers airmen marching down the street and us cheering for them. It was pretty cool to see all that hardware the fanboy in me would totally dig that. The question is if you're a Republican and it's going to cost X amount of millions of dollars where are you gonna get that money? I know! That last time I think it was like eight million dollars and that was quite a number of years ago but yeah... That number keeps changing What's that?

2:34:30 That number, but it cost in 91. It was 8 million is 12 million 20 million is 5 million. It's unbelievable where we are a wealthy country right? You can find that if you need so here's the question and I know we're sort of going long but I thought you know a lot of people gonna ask why not why not show off our hardware they do do it another countries of lad you just said best deal they do the best thing she said to do. The Queen's birth French can do it Some people are going to ask that question. If the North Koreans can do it, why can't we have... You see how he's trying to bring it back because all of you go well the French did it and English do it and he is like yeah North Koreans want to make sure you see evil dictator. That's applause right? The fact that generally in the case of Europe they've done for the Queen's birthday, the Brits have done it but the British don't even have a queen. We don't have a queen uh-huh But its not about synchronized applause or

2:35:27 you know, we don't have a queen. I understand that but it is sort of a show of greatness and I'm sure there are a lot of people Trump supporters but probably not Trump supporters who are gonna say what's the big deal? We do have the money Yeah, I think that the opposition because the country is so divided right now The easiest thing for those that hate Trump to do is to simply point out how anti-patriotic Trump is personally like this would be a much easier thing To organize and get behind if Trump were McCain Right. I mean a war hero Do you hear what he's saying? That was right, right very interesting, right He's saying this will be much easy If it was McCain everybody'd be like ah

2:36:10 Oh, sure. Fantastic! Let's do it." So you know it's all based on the premise that this needs to be some kind of spur-of-the moment you know maybe oh we funded the whole thing with the military is the best let's go show Kim Jong Un exactly what we're doing. General Dynamics pay for it they'll do it But what did Trump actually say and ask for? This is his conversation with, this is the only time he's mentioned it as far as I know and from this the Pentagon was readying for something very specific. What do you just your what you've heard in the news your own with your own biases like we all have? What do you believe they're talking about when they say Trump wants a parade? What do you think it is supposed to be?

2:37:00 I have no idea because i've taken already taken the position that he never asked for a military parade and it's you know unless I hear him say something like I was talking about him saying using shit yeah word yeah uh it's unless I hear it now and I'm not buying any of because I think they just lie to us yes well you can't know because they lie so much but here is the only thing he said Which was with Macron after he saw the French parade, the military parade. I did see this Well yeah Did you hear what he really said? Because... I vaguely remember he thought it was cool and maybe we should do something like that I was your guest at Bastille Day And it was one of the greatest parades I've ever seen It was two hours on the button and it was military might And I think a tremendous thing for France and for the spirit of France

2:37:52 and people don't know what great warriors they are in France, but when you see that and you see all the victories it was a tremendous thing. And to a large extent because of what I witnessed we may do something like that on July 4th in Washington down Pennsylvania. That's a little different! July fourth? We have all kinds of military shit going on Yeah What's wrong with that?! he's it's Trump okay but it's July 4th and he reiterates it. I don't know, we're going to have try and top it but we had a lot of planes going over we had a lot of military might and it was really a beautiful thing to see you had representatives from different wars in different uniforms who is really so well done but I came back

2:38:43 And one of my early calls were I think we're gonna have to start looking at that ourselves. So we're actually thinking about 4th of July Pennsylvania Avenue having a really great parade to show our military strength. Where is that in the reporting? Could anyone please just add Trump wants to parade on the 4th of July it's lying by omission No, they're implying that he just wants a parade for himself Right but did they not go check and see what he actually said or this is being omitted on purpose I don't think its being omitted on purpose I just think it's poor reporting

2:39:21 Well, Chuck Schumer likes the idea of parades too. Here's an old... you know the internet is a great way back machine and really I love it. It's embarrassing to these guys. Hear Chuck Schumer! These men risk their lives to protect us. They experience terrible trauma and tragedy along the way Senator Charles Schumer is appealing to the Department of Defense for approval of a grand event up The Canyon of Heroes that would include military brass color guards military bands and flyovers It's still in the planning stages, but DOD officials say it certainly not unprecedented We might want to remind Chuck about yeah And another one from the Wayback Machine

2:40:01 Trump about the stock market. Bah! What an idiot to take credit for the stock market, what a douchebag you never do that because when it goes down what are you gonna say now huh Trump? Did Obama ever do that I'm sure he did two years after the worst recession most of us have ever known The stock market has come roaring back The stock market recovered so people's 401ks and retirement accounts got replenished. I'm glad that corporate profits are high and i'm glad that the stock market is booming. Home values are back on the rise, stock markets nearly doubled home values arising the stock market has rebounded our stock market is rebounding a stock market that has doubled in the stock market has now doubled even as the stock market shatters records the stock market

2:40:50 has more than doubled since 2009 and since I took office the stock market has more than double. Corporate profits are up, stock markets up but we did it in the stock market doubled stock markets doing great stock markets nearly tripled that the stock market was down when i first took office in first few months I was in office about three thousand points lower than this now thanks Obama there you go the internet way back machine ladies and gentlemen well I think you kind of nailed the Trump haters there with that one. Are you indicating that the media is like slanted? I have a question for ya, and actually have a question for the producers out there military producers so this new movie The 1517 to Paris is about this incident that took place on the Thalys from Amsterdam to Paris where we had two American heroes

2:41:51 Three American heroes actually who all three boyhood friends all military guys they're all hanging out in Europe before they go back or they just come back for somewhere and The terrorists grabs a gun and they take him out. They don't kill them actually but I take him up So now Clint Eastwood directs this movie and he decides, oh I've got a great idea. Why don't I, Clint Eastwood put all of my creative reputation on the table by having the three original guys play themselves in the movie?

2:42:29 I think this is pretty, uh...I mean they are the main characters. Yes! And so now- They're the terrorists Right and so now they are- If they didn't have him play his original role that would've been better Who? The terrorists? But I, and so for some odd reason they were on Tucker Carlson. He was interviewing them, fawning over them which leads me to believe...I couldn't find offhand an entertainment connection to the Fox properties but i'm sure it's there somewhere. It might be Searchlight I think is Fox But I the way that so the the way it comes across to me You see these three guys sitting there. The one in the middle is in a suit He's buttoned up he has a you know, the square shoulders military guy The two guys on the right and the left they're really dressed casual that just and the way they spoke about certain things Just to lay it out made me question

2:43:28 somehow, if they're maybe not really military. We don't know much about this attack other than what happened on one car of a train I mean just think about the opportunity if...if I was of the conspiratorial nature you get two actors and use one real guy and you stage this thing, you film it! And then you release later as a movie Yeah, so maybe you come back and do it again. You know recreate the scene but maybe it's... You think the whole thing is a bunch of bullshit? Yes and my issue with it is I listen to these guys-I've known military personnel my entire life certainly intensely in the past 10 or 15 20 just listened to them Really this story just got more amazing not only did you do this

2:44:20 and one of the great good deeds ever, but you got a whole new career side of it. What was it like? Had any of you acted before? Never! Not even in school play Well then to go from zero to Hollywood film directed by Clint Eastwood is kind of... It's a lot how did she do it We honestly just did it how we did at the first time really that's pretty much the only advice he gave us was just be ourselves and doing how we did Only Clint Eastwood could pull something like this off so when he asked us, he gave us the confidence to attempt it. So we just had to try it Yeah, we just trust him so much I mean We knew going into that he was gonna do this story justice and uh Just having him like Anthony said have the confidence in us with was all we needed What is it? Was it hard

2:45:03 That was fun. I mean it was hard at first to getting used to it But I think we caught a rhythm with it pretty quickly and we actually finished ahead of schedule, I believe He takes the weight of shooting a big picture motion picture off of you he just keeps it real light and is like You're with your two friends Just do what you did And I'll capture the rest in when Clint Eastwood says that you got a cap you gotta trust him on that Yeah, so what was it like filming the pivotal scene? in the movie and in your lives on the train. It was honestly just a lot of fun, I mean... A lot of people think it'd be traumatizing but luckily we don't have PTSD, nobody died that day on the train This is the part where caught my attention! I do not believe there's any military person who would speak so cavalierly about PTSD Like, you know, it's not like we had PTSD Nobody died that day If you're in the military You know PTSD does not come from dying

2:45:54 necessarily comes from a lot of different things and I'm just shooting from the hip John. I could be completely wrong, but i do know that over 500 movies 600 television shows all have been influenced by the Pentagon with money with script rewrites and there's huge documentation now available about that this did not happen in a vacuum without uh... the pentagon lives on the train those honestly just a lot of fun i mean a lot of people think it'd be traumatizing but luckily we don't have ptsd and nobody died that day on the train and and we just gotta hang out for like a week on a train with into best friends in clint eastwood so

2:46:31 You get to do it twice, that's pretty cool. It's more than just a headline everybody gets to see actually what happened how messy it was how crazy it was and hopefully inspires people maybe do something in these situations That's right there I'm not judging anyone I haven't been that kind of situation but you see a lot these things unfolded nobody does that why do you think that is? People are scared, which we were scared as well too. I think the unique thing about our situation is that we were just on a train and had nowhere to go so... I know all these situations are different you know all these different attacks and stuff like that but hopefully this changes the narrative a little bit and inspires people out there that you know the common man can do something if they find themselves in the same situation Yeah if their brave

2:47:13 Which you guys are and that's always the key. Had any of you thought a scenario like that through before you got on the train? If I'm ever in this situation, here is what I am going to do. Actually yeah we have talked about it numerous times beforehand. We kind of played war growing up together so we'd always ask each other if a guy comes into this room what are you gonna do and our answers were always the same. I think that was the biggest contributing factor in our friendship going back so far and we all knew we would be on the same page if something like that happened. Sure But you actually did it! people just talking about it you did it. We were just as surprised. You know, yeah given the opportunity and that's really it God well I'm glad Hollywood came to memorialize this for a long time thank you guys for joining us tonight. Thank you for having us man. Yeah thanks. I don't know I smell something here Well I'm not gonna say your full of crap or your like this is off the deep end because there no evidence one way

2:48:09 And it does sound a little, some of the comments are a little bit much. Yeah we thought about this before it happened and I don't know how many guys talk about that When it took place I think we talked about it We thought there was something about...I tried to hunt around I couldn't remember what peaked our interest It's just a promotion for something Well in the military of course being brave joining the military They have to do their marketing or marketing Eastwood needs to keep his movie thing going because he's gonna drop dead if he doesn't keep doing movies. Last time I saw him, that was at the local golf tournament in Monterey. Guy must weigh 80 pounds! He needs to eat a cheeseburger. Listen this woman Rachel Hertz and you know... Yeah. Breathe vanilla. Sniff some glue man. Some vanilla. Vanilla is supposed to make you 25% more

2:49:09 So, I don't know. It's an interesting theory. There is definitely no agenda. Yeah that was my second half of the show that's all i really got for you on that. Oh except uh...I do want to mention in the UK now big scandal as they've uncovered who uncovered this? The Daily Mail. Uncovered that George Soros is backing a four hundred thousand or actually backed a 400,000 pound campaign against Brexit to stay in the EU. Yes yes it's big news! Yes because that's called meddling in someone else's affairs? He's not British No he is not You know... Is it any worse than the Russians buying Facebook ads? No they hacked the election man Yeah man they hacked Brexit baby definitely Here play this clip Facebook sued in the EU Ah

2:50:05 Getting sued in the EU Well Facebook is set to come under scrutiny an Austrian lost graduate Is spearheading a class-action case against Facebook for allegedly? Breaching privacy. It's officially filed to suit in the Vienna courtroom and a closely watched case 25,000 Facebook users are suing this social media giant for rights abuses Violations ranging from the illegal tracking of their data under the EU law to its involvement in the NSA's surveillance program that targeted millions of innocent citizens. 27 year old student Max Schrems has a bone to pick with Facebook over alleged privacy violations. His class action lawsuit is seeking 500 euros in damages for each of the 25,000 Facebook users whose data may have been shared with government agencies or commercial interests

2:50:57 Europe is not enforcing our fundamental rights right now. There are almost no penalties, there are hardly any lawsuits ever and that is the basic idea to say you know guys this is a fundamental right in Europe so constitutional like right you have to stick to it you can't just ignore it Facebook is trying to get the litigation tossed out on procedural grounds. The company insists the court in Vienna does not even have jurisdiction and it questions whether Schrams has the right to bring a suit on behalf of thousands of others. The judge will rule within a few months on whether the lawsuit is admissible. Experts say, it may become a test case for European data protection laws.

2:51:38 Yeah, yeah. Well that clip was from five years ago. Yes I was waiting for it Good one so they still haven't still haven't sued him what's going on? Yeah, we died I know and this hasn't been brought up in the conversation since It's a very odd. It's a very odd world We live in John So we keep we keep everyone honest we try that's for sure Dan we will try to do that again on Thursday episode 108 of the best podcast in universe, please remember us at Dvorak org slash na It's your show you make it happen and don't forget if you got a

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