Episode 973 · Sunday, 15 October 2017

Exit on the Floor

Hollywood’s casting couch culture implodes under the weight of the Weinstein scandal while California’s plastic bag ban triggers an unexpected public health crisis in San Diego.

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The No Agenda Show · No. 973

About this episode

The sudden collapse of Harvey Weinstein’s career sends shockwaves through Hollywood as model Angie Everhart and Professor Tomi Ann Roberts detail harrowing encounters with the producer. These allegations, including a 1984 incident involving a bathtub audition, have triggered a broader reckoning with a culture of silence that previously protected figures like Roger Ailes and Bill O'Reilly. The fallout now reaches Amazon Studios, where executive Roy Price faces suspension following similar misconduct claims.

In the political sphere, Hillary Clinton faces scrutiny for her delayed response to the Weinstein scandal during a BBC interview where she simultaneously dismissed past allegations against Bill Clinton. Meanwhile, President Trump nominates Kirstjen Nielsen to lead the Department of Homeland Security as the administration pivots toward a new strategy against the Iranian regime. In San Diego, a massive Hepatitis A outbreak is being linked to the state's plastic bag ban, which advocates claim has stripped the homeless population of sanitary waste disposal options. Further complicating the news cycle, the Toronto District School Board has officially scrubbed the word chief from all professional job titles to avoid cultural offense.

Sheriff Joseph Lombardo continues to navigate a shifting narrative regarding the Las Vegas shooting timeline and the wounding of security guard Jesus Campos. Between technical glitches at Dow Jones that falsely reported a Google-Apple merger and the Boy Scouts of America’s decision to admit girls, the cultural landscape is shifting rapidly. The session concludes with a look at the European Commission’s new ten-page regulatory guide on the proper way to fry a Belgian potato to avoid carcinogens.


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CHAPTER 01 / 41 Discussion

Chicago Cubs Playoff Baseball, Lazarus Beer Flight

Adam Curry and John C. Dvorak open the session discussing the Chicago Cubs' playoff performance and local Austin culture. Curry describes hosting family from Chicago at his condo and visiting Lazarus Brewing for a beer flight. The hosts compare the Dutch meaning of "Lazarus" to biblical resurrection while transitioning into the day's media analysis.

adam curry· john c. dvorak· chicago cubs· lazarus brewing· austin· silicon valley· baseball

00:00 I'm looking at this here brain. What do you think? Adam Curry, John C. DeVore Act. And Sunday October 15th 2017 This is your award-winning Getmo Nation Media assassination episode 9R73! This is no agenda 27% day trader, 38% podcaster and 100% broadcasting from the future. Live from downtown Austin, Tejas, the capital of the drone star state in the Cluedio In The Morning everybody! I'm Adam Curry And from Northern Silicon Valley where i'm pitching on fumes...I'm John C. DeVore It's Crackpot & Buzzkill! Is the phrase from the Shays not, I'm running on fumes?

00:40 Well, this was a reference to Verlander who they said was pitching on fumes. Who's Verlander? Games. Yeah who is Verlander? Oh wait a minute sports reference! Oh okay I'm sorry. It was Verlander who pitched the complete game. Saw it last night actually saw some... oh didn't see that one no You watched what, the Dodgers? Cubs. Yeah. It was a good game they were both good games surprisingly both of them we have guest protocol initiated here in the common law condo Tina's sister and her husband are here you know from the Chicago area so big Cubs fans well the games weren't on against each other so you could've watched both yeah but we also had to go drinking they're from Chicago

01:28 Oh yeah, Chicago equals drinking. Equals beer! Exactly Well it's funny I'm sure you enjoyed the local brews there was a lot of good... Yeah we went to this place called Lazarus which is great name because in Holland if you're completely blotto drunk they say your Lazarus Which makes sense from the biblical meaning of the word because Lazarus was resurrected, you know from the dead. So your as dead as Lazarus yeah and we had a beer flight of the things I learned. So you had a flight of the beers? I did indeed that was good! Why? Because that was... alright thanks John all right Chicago just Chicago okay don't ask questions it's all about Chicago. Did you find any beer there is any good

CHAPTER 02 / 41 Discussion

Hurricane Harvey, Jane Fonda on Trump Abuse Cycle

Media coverage of Hurricane Harvey is analyzed for political and racial undertones used to criticize President Donald Trump. Jane Fonda appeared on CNN with Christiane Amanpour, claiming Trump's history of alleged abuse empowers other men to act unacceptably. The hosts identify this as a recurring element in the "Trump cycle" alongside Russia and Hillary Clinton.

hurricane harvey· jane fonda· cnn· christianne amanpour· donald trump· media cycle

02:23 Oh yeah, they're all good. It was a consensus beer where it said this is the best. No there's never been consensus no. There you go Okay well stuff happening Yeah there's a few things Media wise lots of stuff happening actually Yeah media wise you want to do the Weinstein thing because... This might as well I mean that's what- There's so much too let me use the phrase unpack In Hurricane Harvey, we forgot to see the obvious. And then I found at least two editorial cartoons where they caught that guy. Use hurricane Harvey? We were led to that. Which hurricane you talking about?! Exactly exactly. There's a number of things...I think the commonality that exists is

03:17 abusing this, well actually I've heard two using the Harvey, the Hurricane Harvey ordeal for political means and racial means. It's just beautiful you know whatever it is just remember our president sucks! And actually let me just play a couple of these what i'll do okay yeah what i'll do first oh actually go backwards Jane Fonda was on CNN with Christiane Annapur It's very worthwhile listening to the longer piece, but we can do that later. I just want to play the kicker this was at the end of her interview. But i mean Donald Trump is uh... We have a man who was president who does these things and what kind of message does that say? Unfortunately

04:05 counteracts a lot of the good that we're doing because a lot of men see well our President does it and he got elected even after people discover that he was an abuser so I'm just gonna go ahead and do what i want to do. It's unacceptable, we can't ever forget that you have to stand up to them. By the way this is one of them elements of the Trump cycle yeah oh yeah it's spot on too spot-on And I think that the one that follows is Russia. So, I think there's more Russia stuff and... Yeah, yeah, I think you're right. Let's go to Hillary. We don't have this cycle down completely because then what comes after Russia? But we have all the elements we just do not have the order

CHAPTER 03 / 41 Discussion

Harvey Weinstein Sexual Assault Allegations, Hollywood Culture of Silence

A montage of Hollywood actors thanking Harvey and Bob Weinstein precedes a discussion on the sudden collapse of the producer's career. Hillary Clinton's response to the scandal is contrasted with her past dismissals of sexual assault allegations. The segment notes how media titans like Roger Ailes and Bill O'Reilly were recently toppled, signaling a shift in the "culture of silence."

harvey weinstein· bob weinstein· hillary clinton· miramax· fox news· bill o'reilly· sexual misconduct

04:47 Yeah, well let's stick with this for a second. Stay with it. Anyway, yeah keep going Alright here is Hillary Clinton who took it one step further you probably saw this was aired a lot Family lives there you're from Puerto Rico You used to own an island down there? I did until four months before the storm hit and- Oh I'm sorry what does that how did I get that That's odd That is uh- Well its Ireland No thats very strange no that is Geraldo How did that get in under that Hold on a second, what happened here? Uh-oh! That was... How did that get renamed?! Well while I'm looking for the appropriate clip let's listen to one minute of Hollywood thanking Harvey. Harvey Weinstein Bob Weinstein God bless him Harvey Weinstein who believed in us and made this movie Harvey and Bob Weinsteen Harvey Weinstein Thank you Harvey Weinstein Especially Harvey I want to thank Harvey and Bob Weinstein And thank Harvey Weinstein Harvey Weinstein Harvey who first took me on

05:40 20 years ago. Harvey Weinstein. Harvey Weinstein. Harvey Weinstein. Harvey and Bob. And Harvey and Bob Weinstein! To you, Harvey. Harvey Weinstein. Harvey Weinstein. The Harvey Weinstein Company, okay? Thank you, Harvey Weinstein for putting your heart behind this film and shining the light on this we really like to share this with you I want to thank the Meshpuka Weinstein

06:24 It was Robert Williams at the end. So I don't know what happened to Hillary Clinton, but it doesn't mean she what she said is we now have an admitted sex assaulter in the White House that was her the main thing which is kind of disputable if the evidence that he admitted he's a sexual assault or there's all the women lining up like they are in this deal let's go back I just got another one here. I've got a few more this is ABC's 2020 things was from Friday This had a double kicker in it. This was the special that had a double kicker in it culture of silence Exists because it is a scary thing to go public but that culture is changing

07:06 In fact, a kind of cultural climate change is underway. Even as Weinstein walks the Oscars red carpet equally powerful media titans are suddenly being toppled for allegations of sexual misconduct Bill Cosby, Fox CEO Roger Ailes. And late today word of a major change at Fox News... Bill O'Reilly. Bill O'Reilly fired by Fox News Even a 10-year old recording of a boastful future President Trump has come to light. When you're star they let you do it You can do anything Oh yes! It's beautiful, it's beautiful. It's all politicized fantastic Well I have a couple of interesting... I'm gonna slip this clip in because what she just said

CHAPTER 04 / 41 Discussion

Angie Everhart, Harvey Weinstein Boat Incident at Cannes

Model Angie Everhart shared a story on TMZ about Harvey Weinstein exposing himself to her on a boat during the Cannes Film Festival. Everhart claims she told everyone on the boat and at dinner, but was ignored because "that's just Harvey." The hosts discuss the power dynamics in Hollywood and the distinction between the acting and modeling industries.

angie everhart· tmz· cannes film festival· harvey weinstein· harvey levinstein· modeling industry

07:51 Which is, oh it's the culture of silence. Oh, oh no you... Well here's how this is the HW Harvey Levinson tale. Harvey Levinson was on Hannity and he told this story and this is an example of what contradicts everything that we keep hearing about all the culture of silence Yeah I just don't know which clip it is I'm sorry It's very hard to... HW Harvey Levinson Yeah, I just don't oh here it is. I'm sorry okay brain fart got it Everybody talked about it people even joked about it but nobody spoke out about it What can you tell us? Well, I can tell you a lot right now We just put this up on the website and I think this is really significant Angie Everhart a model and an actress

08:39 Went on TMZ live today and she told us a story about the Cannes Film Festival And she was on a boat, and she was sleeping in a cabin even though John if you're interested I have her story What he's about to tell unless there's something else that he says it may be more interesting to listen to Angie's words herself Okay, put her on. First of all my hands are shaking You know this isn't really easy to talk about it's I was at the Canthum festival I was on a friend's boat Harvey walked in walked in front of me took his pants down did his thing Exited on the floor if you know what? I mean hold his pants back up and

09:23 said you're a really nice girl don't tell anybody about this and left so I told everybody about it. It was a lot longer than that, he was blocking the door I'd rather not say which year because I don't want to talk about which boat. I was on and I don't need to talk about that No, do you actually? I had just arrived from America. I had jet lagged I was in the bed sleeping when I woke up to him above me he came in actually with another girl and she left and He stayed so shit up there they both stood there And I was like I couldn't get out of bed because i was wearing just a little

10:09 T-shirt and nothing else. So I was stuck in here, they were in front of the bed It was just terrible it's a terrible moment You know I told my husband about this when I first met him And when all of this came out he said you have to come out tell people this I'm just glad that this is because When I talked about before nobody listened Now people are listening and not just for me I am glad that people are listening so that doesn't happen anymore Because its not okay You know, they say it's hearsay. It's my word against your word I told people on the boat. I told people at the dinner I was at and everybody was like oh that's just Harvey People have known this about Harvey for more than a decade There isn't a single person who is anybody in this business that doesn't know that Harvey Weinstein has been like that

11:00 If they know Harvey, they know he's been like that. You know it is a very scary thing in Hollywood to come out and talk like this about somebody who was so powerful as Harvey Weinstein He got stories crushed and he can crush you. But he physically touched a lot of girls from what I hear and I feel so bad for those girls. I think we both picked up on the same thing John that this is a whole nother industry which I personally have always had to beef with because Andrea Everhart's not an actress she's a model Very, very different. And that can of worms needs to be opened up the agencies and you know why wouldn't she say what boat she was on? I think that's important! I think we actually might need to know. There are a lot these women who will tell this story... You know what it is? They won't. I know what boat it was Okay That's right everybody welcome aboard Harvey's Love Boat!

12:00 Well, that didn't work. No it did just it just needs a little production the they don't give us specifics there's a lot of non-specific stuff but the point that was being made here and Harvey goes on and on in pounds at home with entity which is that When people went around and told everybody like this woman says she's told everyone at the dinner. She told everybody she just couldn't stop talking about it because she was so offended, an I'm course my takeaway from the whole thing is lock your damn door. Yeah exactly that's another anyway but here's a but she

CHAPTER 05 / 41 Discussion

Tomi Ann Roberts, 1984 Miramax Bathtub Incident

Professor Tomi Ann Roberts recounts a 1984 encounter with Harvey Weinstein during her time as an aspiring actress and student at Smith College. Roberts describes being lured to an apartment where Weinstein, while in a bathtub, pressured her to remove her top for a "topless scene" audition. The incident led her to abandon her acting aspirations and pursue psychology.

tomi ann roberts· miramax· smith college· democracy now· amy goodman· sexual objectification

12:37 You know, she told everybody and everybody knew it which brings us back to Meryl Streep. Okay! Who claims... I don't have a Meryl Streep clip but we played her the other day and she's like, I didn't know, I'm befuddled, I never heard of such a thing. But let's go back to... this is on Democracy Now!, they dug up some woman who was a professor at Colorado University And this took place in 1984 when Harvey and Bob had just started their company. This is when the whole thing, I guess Harvey was doing music production which is another can of worms business

13:14 He must have picked up these habits, because when she—it's kind of hard to hear this and Amy's intro is a little long. But this is the HW in 1984 story. Nineteen eighty-four! In nineteen eighty four, when she was an aspiring actress her work focuses on the psychological consequences of the sexual objectification of women and girls. Tomi Ann Roberts let's begin with you We're going to talk about the work you now do on the sexual objectification in girls and women. But let's begin with what happened to you more than 30 years ago, in 1984? How did you come in contact with Harvey Weinstein? Well, the story—the stories are beginning to sound monotonous, right?, and chillingly familiar. I was waiting tables.

14:03 I was a student at Smith College and several friends and I had decided to spend the summer in New York City pursuing our dreams. And so we sublet an apartment, and I was waiting tables at a restaurant, and that's where I met both Bob and Harvey Weinstein. They were relative newcomers on the scene explained to me their new company Miramax And pretty soon I was given to believe that I might be someone who could audition for a movie that they were going to be writing and directing. It would have been the first movie they were writing and directing here in the United States

14:41 And so I thought, I think I thought to myself such a new company might not take such an unknown person for granted. So I decided that I would try to audition for that movie. Throughout the course of the summer I would receive scripts and script updates. I did visit The Office on occasion God, yes. It gets a course and goes right back to the same MO. Yeah but which brings me to the point of Bob Weinstein says that he only knew about this two years ago? Sure yeah

15:20 No, he knew. Are you kidding me? Of course that's crazy. So he's a liar! These people are unbelievable liars this is wrapped up and you know what the ending is to this story And then I was invited to what I believe was Harvey's apartment and my expectation of course with that others involved in the movie would be there as well and that turned out not to be the case And it was in this, down a rather darkened hallway that I discovered him in the bathtub. And that encounter as you might imagine was petrifying to a 20 year old. I sort of stood there frozen and Mr Weinstein was quite calm about

16:04 trying to explain to me that if I would at least take my top off, this would demonstrate to him that I wasn't going to be shy about doing so in front of the cameras. The movie was likely to have topless scenes And looking back, as I've said in several interviews now and I'm slightly ashamed to think that the only way I could imagine getting out of there was not running but rather politely and sort of self-effacingly apologizing for the fact that I didn't feel comfortable with that. So I did eventually exit and found a payphone called my boyfriend and basically threw my acting aspirations in the wastebasket

16:49 You had actually gone back to one of your tryouts, your auditions that—where they said that you were moving forward and they told you they weren't interested anymore in Weinstein's company? Yeah. Mm-hmm. It's—I don't know if it was Weinstein's company. It was a casting agent. At the time, I was so frightened because of the previous experience that I convinced one of my housemates to come with me. A rather larger young man and once we got there it was pretty clear that Harvey himself neither Harvey nor Bob were going to be there and the casting agent was a very kind older woman who just sort of said to me you know you're not getting this part right? Yeah

CHAPTER 06 / 41 Discussion

Weinstein Scandal Timing, Hillary Clinton Political Strategy

The hosts theorize that the New York Times published the Weinstein exposé to distance the Democratic Party from Hillary Clinton. They suggest the party views Clinton as a "nightmare scenario" for 2020 and used Weinstein's downfall to sever her primary financial ties. A side theory mentions 4chan rumors linking Weinstein's phone to "The Fappening" celebrity photo leaks.

new york times· hillary clinton· pj media· 4chan· the fappening· jennifer lawrence

17:36 Surprise, surprise. So this begs the question which I think...I have one explanation for it and i'm not sure if you do of why now? Well um We see this started in 1984. It's pretty obvious has been going on people everybody knows about the we did you everybody did all the material from the open jokes, you know that Seth McFarland material a dirty rock right? Right. It's all there it's on there well The the obvious easy answer which you came up with

18:14 on the last show I like very much is that this was out of control and Bob Weinstein decided to do something about it. It still does not necessarily explain the timing of it, particularly coming from The New York Times although we know in television news they want it to be in The New York Times first and then everybody else gets okay. Yeah everybody mentions that yeah When Harvey Levinson talks about, in fact he says that Weinstein's going to sue his brother and try to get back in the company. That wouldn't surprise me He says because it was wrongly fired. Apparently there was a clause in this contract that said you could be a pervert Yeah, he could be a pervert and just have to pay fines A fine AND any hush money the company had to pay I've not seen the contract but I will believe it We can find it You know what? I heard something interesting

19:11 Do you remember the fappening when we had Hollywood actresses? There was a whole dump of sexy, semi and nude photos. Suggestive... You know Jennifer Lawrence was one of them. Yes she would be Well if you go back and look at 4chan where the fappening unfappened The or one of the insiders at that time said hey this is coming from one Hollywood mogul from one phone And the thinking is it could have been Harvey's phone.

19:48 Which he had, you know. He received nice little messages from his potential actresses It's possible! Yeah I think it sounds very possible Well anyway so the one explanation that i liked which came just came out which was in PJ Media and this guy named Simon who is a Hollywood screenwriter I think he does some other stuff He theorizes that the reason and this makes sense when you hear it because the New York Times was involved Yeah, the New York Times is a big Democrat kind of a propaganda machine They would not do it without reason. I agree The reason is Hillary And I think that blow up between Hillary and Bill as part of this they think that Hillary's off-the-rails

CHAPTER 07 / 41 Discussion

Hillary Clinton BBC Interview, Bill Clinton Allegations

Hillary Clinton expressed shock and disgust regarding Harvey Weinstein during a BBC interview, calling him a long-time Democratic funder. When questioned about the women who accused Bill Clinton of misconduct, she dismissed the claims as having been "litigated" in the 1990s. The hosts argue Clinton is feigning naivete about Weinstein's well-known reputation.

hillary clinton· bbc· donald trump· bill clinton· sexual assault· funder

20:41 She this book makes it look like she wants to run again. They see it as a nightmare scenario Having her run again at age 80 or whatever she's gonna be right 70 And they had to do what they had to do. They had to throw Harvey, despite his connections under the bus because this brings out the connection between Hillary and Harvey in those photos Putting her hands on his chest Hold on John let me just play it's about a minute ten of the Hillary interview I think was a BBC interview actually I was shocked and appalled because I've known him through politics as many Democrats have he's been

21:22 He was a funder. A supporter? Yeah, he's been a funder and you know for all of us for Obama for me for people who've run for You know for office in the United States So it was it was just disgusting and the stories that have come out And I really commend the women who have been willing to step forward now and tell their stories. But I think it's important that we not just focus on him and whatever consequences flow from his death, but also on other people in our society these stories about his behavior, but that we recognize this kind of behavior cannot be tolerated anywhere. Whether it's in entertainment politics... After all we have someone admitting to being a sexual assaulter in the Oval Office there has to be a recognition that we must stand against this kind of action that is so sexist and misogynistic

22:14 And this depends upon women coming forward and having the courage to come forward. Right, right. And yet in your book the three women brought onto stage by Trump attacking your husband and you kind of dismissed them. Here it comes! Was that the right thing to do? Are you sure about that? Well yes because that had all been litigated I mean, that was the subject of a huge investigation as you might recall in the late 90s. And there were conclusions drawn and that was clearly in the past. Oh, but it is something that has to be taken seriously, as I say for everyone, not just for those in entertainment right now. There you go. Well, here's another little add on then. I heard that interview too. Sure.

22:58 She kind of feigns naivete in this whole thing and I think that's why right now and on this show We're playing clips that are have now been presented showing that this has been going on for a long time a yeah, and be em Everybody knew that means Hillary knew. Yes, and that's the counter thing you got to do something counter Hillary because they first day blow this out and then Hillary has got all these bull crap excuses they are trying to get Hillary out of the way she won't go away she is a nightmare to the Democrats they had to do this Then if they decided it was this important and Harvey was the right fish to fry

CHAPTER 08 / 41 Discussion

Amazon Studios Roy Price Suspension, Eli Roth Party Anecdote

Amazon Studios executive Roy Price was suspended following allegations from Rose McGowan and a producer. A listener-submitted story describes Harvey Weinstein and director Eli Roth behaving inappropriately at a 2009 "Piranha 3D" wrap party on Lake Travis. The producer claims he had to use a megaphone to distract Weinstein from groping young women at the event.

roy price· amazon studios· rose mcgowan· eli rath· piranha 3d· lake travis

23:39 They have to have something else. It's gotta be a 1-2, you can't just... it's not enough! It's just not enough. Hillary is slick! There has got to be a 1-2. There has gotta be something else. Meanwhile there is a lot of stuff going on particularly in the film industry This of course came out. The Amazon producer did not immediately respond to a request for comment. Also, actress Rose McGowan wrote on Twitter that she told Price that Weinstein assaulted her but that Price did nothing. Price could not be reached by Reuters. He declined to comment to the Hollywood Reporter.

24:34 A spokeswoman for Harvey Weinstein said, any allegations of non-consensual sex are unequivocally denied by Mr. Weinstein. Price has been integral to Amazon's movie business The studio picked up three Oscars this year under his helm His removal creates uncertainty about its direction just as Amazon invests some four and a half billion dollars in video content this year And it's always so fun in Hollywood Oh! The studio head oh they have no...oh what's gonna happen now? Oh What are they gonna do without the studio head I have a couple things on this. I want to add a little color to the thing with McGowan because she told Price, according to the Twitter back and forth that her account was suspended for... She says, I was raped by Weinstein! And he says there's no evidence of that and she says I'm the evidence! Yeah but got a note from one of our producers at Texas Barron actually

25:35 which I'd like to share with the group. You might enjoy this because, you know... We have lots of stories from Hollywood but how about something from our own little environment? A Harvey Weinstein story! I think it's quite salacious and nice. This is 2009, our baron in Texas had a unique circumstance running with Harvey Weinstein he said i'll try and keep it short here but he was on the lake during spring break to promote an alcohol party related product that he had developed as a side business He had awake boarding boat and crew of his friends and promo models It just happened to be when we were filming Piranha 3D and we were approached... ...to use our boat and peoples in the party scenes. So how could I say no? The Wine Scene Company was one of the production companies that Derek Drescher threw a party for the cast and extras one night, he said pathetic flop!

26:27 The cops were called by 11 p.m due to poor choice of neighborhood slash house despite a pretty chill event and shut it down My friends and partners, and I took it upon ourselves to throw a real party for everyone at our rental house proper planning and neighbor Networking produced the party of epic proportions that went until two hours after sunrise Most of the younger cast were there and Eli Roth you know Eli Roth is? He's he was the bear Jew in What was the Nazi, Tarantino Nazi movie? With Brad Pitt. Okay... And he's a horror director I know him! I've known him for my life That's why i think this story is better Most of the younger cast were there and Eli Roth spent a lot of time trying to make out with my girlfriend who was now my wife but he had to settle for BJ from some random party goer apparently on the back of my damn boat while it was still covered in fake blood from the set Come to think that that's probably why Eli was drawn to it

27:24 Harvey Weinstein showed up with the director and the directors PA once the party was well on swing, house was packed to the gills club music thumpin', skinny dippers in the pool and plenty of dark corner shenanigans by this time. A frighteningly perfect environment for a creeper! An epic creeper he WAS!! We immediately noticed him as we were looking to promote our product and keeping your eyes peeled for the VIP's Unfortunately, he quickly started using our product as an excuse to creep on random young girls. In short order the complaints of groping and strong uninvited advances started to roll in. He was even trying to grope girls right in front of their boyfriends! With my eagle-eyed view as ad hoc DJ at a raised table, it was all very obviously a power trip for him. I brought the lights up and used my megaphone to thank Weinstein, Roth & Ajah, the director and their staff for creating a fun experience for us extras, and in doing so paused everything long enough to create an opening for one of my business partners to saddle up to Weinstein and talk his ear off to protect all women from his advances

28:20 It worked perfectly, clearly scaring him off as he left the party shortly after. Couldn't count how many thank yous we had after he left He left a real stain that took some serious party people effort to wash off the crowd. Nice! Everybody was unaware. Douchebag! Nobody knew. Nobody knew. Especially Hillary And one troubling thing is part of how this is being spun into, again more hate against men. And unless you want to do something in the interim this will be the last thing I have. I just want to play a couple minutes of Jane Fonda with Christiane Anampour because she does think like a lot of women certainly in the United States. You okay?

CHAPTER 09 / 41 Discussion

Jane Fonda, Male Entitlement and Janet Napolitano

Jane Fonda discusses "male entitlement" and her own experiences with sexual objectification in Hollywood. The hosts counter her generalization by citing a past scandal involving former DHS Secretary Janet Napolitano allegedly harassing male subordinates. They argue that predatory behavior is a "singular perverted" trait rather than a universal male entitlement.

jane fonda· christianne amanpour· janet napolitano· dhs· barbarella· dominique strauss-kahn

29:06 I'm always highly entertained by whatever Fonda does. I'm glad it's coming out, and so proud of those fellow actors that are speaking up and i know that its taken a long time It is very hard thing to do you don't get anything out of it Preface preface Fonda claims she didn't know anything What she'll say in this interview is she didn't know anything until a year ago and she'll explain why she didn't know anything. It's it's a little more expanded than just the headline we got I heard this too, and its bull crap but okay because its just bull crap. Its very very hard thing to do you don't get anything out of it as the person who has been victimized but it's important that come out But let's not think that this is some unique horrific

29:57 This goes on all the time. In Hollywood? It's this male entitlement in Hollywood and everywhere, in offices and businesses all over the world Yeah exactly she is completely right because at Department of Homeland Security Janet Napolitano was abusing... Oh wait a minute she's not a man Well she was abusing The men moving their desks into the bathroom, go work there. Shut up you stupid man! It was a covered-up scandal that I've ever seen and it was published in New York Post kept writing about it until no one just no one cared. There's no celebrities who came out and no one said this is horrible yeah it happens

30:39 In bars, in restaurants and stores women are assaulted abused harassed and seen for just being sexual objects there for a man's desire instead of as whole human beings. Did that ever happen to you? I get a kick out of her. She was like promoting herself as a sex pot in the movies. Barbarella, yeah. Barbarella and had a couple ribs removed so she could have more shape. Is that true? I think it is true and look at the work she's had done that she got irked about when Megyn Kelly even mentioned it. Yeah. Give me a break lady! As whole human beings did that ever happen to you

31:30 It has happened to me. It has I only met Harvey when I was old and Harvey goes for young because that's more vulnerable She certainly knows him, you know But it's it's very very common Bill Cosby, you know another example of Hollywood but you know Dominique Strauss-Kahn? Strauss-Kahn! Oh yes, that's right. Dominique Strauss-Kahn how could we forget you know what while you're naming other people from other industries What about Al Gore humping the poor massage lady like a poodle isn't it time to call him out isn't time hello? Al Gore... You see anything that you might have want to massage yeah al gore come on

CHAPTER 10 / 41 Discussion

Terry Crews, Hollywood Executive Groping Incident

Actor Terry Crews shared a 16-part Twitter thread detailing a 2016 incident where a high-level Hollywood executive groped him at a function. Crews stated he did not retaliate physically to avoid being stereotyped as a "240-pound black man stomping out a honcho." The hosts criticize Crews' reasoning regarding the racial optics of the situation.

terry crews· old spice· sexual assault· ptsd· hollywood executive

32:16 But isn't it time for him to fry a little bit? Hollywood men should do right now studio heads leading actors because it can't just be The women who have to be brave enough, especially as you say most of them were young fledgling careers. That's right Let's go to another Hollywood man How about Terry Crews that actor Terry Crews in one of his old spice ads? He says the Harvey Weinstein scandal is giving him PTSD reminding him of when an

32:55 named Hollywood executive sexually assaulted him. Now in a 16 part tweet yesterday, Cruz said quote my wife and I were at a Hollywood function last year and a high level Hollywood executive came over to me and groped my privates end quote he went on to say if he had he If he had reacted how he wanted to, this would be the headline. Quote 240 pound black man stomps out Hollywood honcho and wow that's your excuse because you were afraid of being creating a racial storm? Fuck you! Fuck you Cruz back to Jane

CHAPTER 11 / 41 Discussion

French Director Orgasm Pitch, Jane Fonda Career Reflections

Jane Fonda admits she knew about Weinstein's behavior a year ago but felt it wasn't her place to speak out. She recounts a story from her youth where a French director asked to witness her having an orgasm to "understand her character" for a film. Despite refusing his advances, she still received the role, which she contrasts with Weinstein's more aggressive MO.

jane fonda· rosanna arquette· french cinema· sexual harassment· casting couch

33:34 We have to be helped by men. It's important to know that not all men are predators. Thank you! There are good men and the good men have to stand up and defend us, and embody other ways of being We have to believe the women who come forward. We have to speak out I found out about Harvey about a year ago and i'm ashamed that I didn't say anything right then Why didn't you? You're so bold! You're so bold and so brave, come on Hanoi I was not that bold. Okay, she's honest she wasn't that bold so you're also part of the problem because it hadn't happened to me and so i didn't feel it was my place did you know? Well she is admitting the exact problem one of the women who has spoken out Rosanna Arquette told me and um...

34:31 It came as a shock and a great disappointment. This male entitlement, what did she say to you? This isn't male entitlement! Hold on a second that's the other thing that's going on with this. I'm generalizing yeah i'm male entitled this guy is just a pervert give me a break Now I have to say because I am sure that the women in your life say the same thing Yes, women get harassed all the time. In all kinds of workplaces not denying that at all but it is a big

35:06 My dad was like this. God, I hated the shit he would do." Well there's a bunch of guys...I've told stories on the show about it. The guys in the air pollution district like to harass waitresses but harassing and poking around and doing one thing is different than a guy who comes to a party that you just read the synopsis of, comes to a party and makes such a scene that everyone's thankful when he leaves is not a classic anything! He's a singular perverted douchebag. Yes, but there are a lot of these types of douchebags and it's not entitlement it's something else. It's passed on. Douchebaggery and you can say there's a lot of them which seems to be part of the litany I think you've been suckered into saying

35:54 What about that party that you just discussed? There was a lot of people at that party. How many of them were Harvey Weinstein like none, just him and I think if he generalized about Hollywood, I don't think you're going to find too many Oh yeah there's a guy who makes it pass in someone or grabs our breasts now and again we have a clip of something we wanted the use because it has a nice little phrase in it from The List which you might want to get to. Yeah, I'm gonna open up the list right now... But it's just like, you know it's-I think it hurts the cause especially because that women have to generalize that this is some sort of male entitlement this is there's no entitlement here! This guy isn't off the rails perv period a total agreement I'm just saying that there is a large group of men who

36:46 are not the same as Weinstein, but definitely use their... I don't know how large of the group is. How many do you know? Well, I'm gonna start with my own father. I'll start right there Okay, you got one. I know two guys and I know a lot of people but i only know if two guys and it's not that you don't know about these guys because he gets around everything does in these communities whatever community your in with your writing community tech community whatever the word gets around some people never get to word for some reason I suppose that could happen anybody but generally speaking its a guy who can point too is not like any epidemic

37:27 Okay, it's alright. I'm just trying to show some sensitivity towards what is really happening in the male-female world is just what it is but its not like Weinstein and I totally agree And I too am irked by you know male entitlement that is absolute...I mean yeah I don't like any of that That is a generalization which is incorrect What did she say to you? I want to leave that for her to describe what she went through Because they say it was an open secret in Hollywood I didn't realize that, but i believe that it's apparently was so common that everybody must have known. And of course these kind of men... It's not only sexual predation These tend to be men who treat other people not well. I mean not people they need Not people like Meryl Streep or me in my old age But you know he didn't treat the people who worked with him Well This is first time I've heard her talk about how old she is

38:29 You know twice it was beyond that she said old age. She went very far with that He he was he was just not a nice person Although we could be nice when he needed to and this is very common among these kind of men It's a mindset well who else then darling you said it happened to you obviously not with Harvey Weinstein But but in the in your youth let me even give you an example I very first French film that i made the director didn't speak very good English and he flew to LA to pitch me the story which was hard for me to even understand what the story was but I remember him saying to me, and I was 20. He said to me you know in the movie your character has to have an orgasm

39:15 I really need to know what kind of orgasms you have. I gotta try this one myself! Does that really work? I'm a French director, and i have the perfect role for you but I must understand the nature of your orgasm so we can try it He, you know he wanted me to sleep with him. Yeah, it's crucial. That is subtle! Yes that is unbelievable really oh well I have a quick interrupt interrupting type story...I was hanging out with

CHAPTER 12 / 41 Discussion

Boston Mob Nightclubs, New York Casting Scams

An anecdote describes the 1980s New York and Boston bar scenes where men used fake business cards to pose as CBS executives. These "casting guys" used the promise of show business opportunities to lure women into bed. The hosts discuss how this "snake pit of liars" differs from the criminal behavior alleged against Weinstein.

boston· new york city· cbs· casting agents· pickup lines

39:54 kind of an empresario of nightclothes, I think kind of Boston mob based. A story i have not heard or heard heard...I'm liking it! Never hoarded in my life. The guy makes the comment yeah well I wasn't getting laid much until I learned how to lie to women Oh, I've read this quote. Where the hell did... or you have told me this privately maybe? That's probably it. Maybe and i always was taken back by that and then I realized when the first time went to New York City I was hanging out with them when they had all these unbelievable bar scene up on upper first and second

40:31 And it was just about this when the bars were open. It was a city that never slept and all that, that went away very quickly but it was true until about 1985 and I remember seeing these guys in the bar With these pickup lines that were just, how dumb are you to believe this person? They're all casting guys. A lot of it had to do with show business and they had phony cards that said there were executives at CBS or whatever and they were all trying to just bed these women. And it was just a kind of snake pit of liars which then when I met the guy from Boston is when I realized what the hell's going on everywhere

41:17 And we don't have to finish the clip. She, but what happens is she didn't sleep with him got the role anyway The guy was nice and she never reported him because yeah I mean he says she didn't sleep with them Yeah Do we know that for a fact? No i'm not gonna it doesn't matter He tried a sexual dance and she should have called him out But that's different than a guy sneaking into a cabin and jerking off and this exiting on the floor business I mean This whole MO is very odd He's very sick. Yeah, yeah and it's written into his contract and he's gonna get his job back probably no one is going to talk much about that because this is all about burning Hillary and you're probably right because Hillary is so dogged she thinks she's gonna run for president again and she's gonna ruin it for everybody if she tries cause she got the mechanism She does She got the machine It still in place And she has the women So do think maybe she was banking on Harvey?

42:15 that she was really bank banking on Harvey? I wouldn't be surprised. They claim some reports said she had received at least 1.4 million during this last campaign and he's a bundler. She is, but I believe you're right. She is going to they have to drop another shoe because you can't take somebody out like that with one punch and there's such a close connection between Weinstein the Weinsteins in the Clintons it's it's you know close like next-door neighbors close so they gotta have something else up okay well that's I like that I like that as a theory we need to be on the lookout for clues

CHAPTER 13 / 41 Discussion

NPR News Rundown, Trump-Centric Media Agenda

A critique of NPR's weekly news summary highlights a perceived obsession with Donald Trump. The rundown included the ACA executive order, the Iran deal, Senator Bob Corker's "World War III" comments, and the Trump-Tillerson IQ test dispute. The hosts argue that NPR ignores global events to maintain a strictly anti-Trump agenda.

npr· tom ashbrook· bob corker· rex tillerson· affordable care act· iran deal

42:59 Yeah, for the next things and see when you spot it in advance. That'd be cool I'm done with Harvey are you done everything good with the Harvey Meister Hurricane Harvey? My yeah, I think so I got one more clip but I'm not gonna be sad Why don't we take a quick break and get a look at or take a look or take a listen to the week's news as brought to you by NPR. This is the most important stories and see if you can find the common denominator amongst this wrap-up of the most important news of the week. A heck of a week, the president cutting health subsidies for the poor making some big changes on the Affordable Care Act front by executive order decertifying today's The Day For That we're told the Iran deal smacking around Puerto Rico a little bit talking about helping them as well but there was some tough language there

43:52 Senator Bob Corker, Republican saying Trump risks starting World War III with his public language and comments. Trump facetious I guess but still challenging the Secretary of State to an IQ test after reports that Rex Tillerson called him a moron. Trump threatening the free press in very specific terms we'll talk about why but kind of remarkable language there. We've got the Clean Power Plan scrapped this week California burning All of us with that on our minds and of course yes to Harvey Weinstein, sexual harassment assault rape. You can join us this hour what do you think? Will the president's moves kill Obamacare and where does de-certainty... Is that all the news NPR has is just Trump Trump Trump Trump Trump hell of a week with Trump nothing else in the world happening nothing to see here

44:41 Their agenda is showing. It's unbelievable, that is the worst rundown I've ever heard if you want to do it just general news stuff. That's all there is nothing else to talk about. IQ test all they're just all the memes. It's great! Wow where'd you get that? That's NPR. What is that? Where did they preface...I never heard of that rundown Oh he does that on point Tom Ashbrook Yeah, one of our producers listens to NPR religiosity and is always sending me a rundown so I can literally pick and choose. Oh you know we want to pull that and run it every Sunday That's much better than the this week bullcrap that I've been doing. You're right We want to have his rundown The most important stories of the week. This weekend Trump

CHAPTER 14 / 41 Discussion

George Lopez Booed, Mel Brooks on Comedy

Comedian George Lopez was booed off stage at a juvenile diabetes gala in Denver after refusing to stop making Trump jokes at a donor's request. Mel Brooks recently commented that Trump has "ruined comedy" because comedians are too preoccupied with him. Jimmy Fallon is noted for refusing to turn his late-night show into a "hate-Trump" platform.

george lopez· denver· juvenile diabetes· mel brooks· jimmy kimmel· jimmy fallon

45:40 Well, there's more hate Trumps love stories. Let me see George Lopez that's finally happening we knew it would George Lopez was at a gala before I guess when they when it never really happened with me whenever you're asked to do something in a nonprofit if You are some form of actual star not like a D Liberty from MTV or worse a podcaster? you get paid for these events and it was a gala for juvenile diabetes in Denver last week and He started doing Trump jokes And then there was some guy in the front, he said hey I just donated $250k would you mind laying off the present? I'm not in the mood to hear it. This is about kids and diabetes and he kept going... ...and then the audience wasn't responding and he says are you what El Chapo people what's going on?! He got booed off stage

46:28 Oh, nice. Yeah it's about time. I was mentioning Mimi was down here for comedy day and which she works uh and she says every comic comes up Trump Trump Trump is very tiresome and Mel Brooks of course came out says that Trump has ruined comedy because these guys are they're not these jokes aren't funny wait it's Trump? Mr Cheeto he's got a cheeto face! I mean this is not funny material But Trump is to blame? It's not the comics who can't come up with anything better, it's actually Trump who's being blamed. No no, Brooks said that...

47:08 Not blaming Trump, but he's blaming the fact that Trump won and these comics are preoccupied. Because they can't come up with anything else is ruined you know the scene is not... Trump-Trump-Trump I mean Jimmy Kimmel was a good example. I do admire the fact that Fallon came out says he's not going there. I didn't catch any of that this what he said? That's the latest? Fallon actually did an interview saying I'm not doing that! I'm not gonna do hate-trump night show it's just that I don't see the point of it And yeah, so I said cuz he's got a you know you get it. It's pointless and Kim was meanwhile backpedaling Oh Yeah, oh the rest of you know the stuff that he's doing I sure hope He finds some time to talk about the 85 people killed in Mogadishu You think nah no one gives a shit as long as it's long as it's an America Trump Trump is Trump responsible No all right next story

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Psychologists March, Geraldo Rivera on Puerto Rico

A group of 125 mental health professionals marched in New York demanding Trump's removal via the 25th Amendment, citing "narcissistic personality disorder." Geraldo Rivera countered media narratives about Puerto Rico, stating that 90% of residents were enthusiastic about Trump's visit. Rivera blamed the island's power crisis on a "corrupt" and "dysfunctional" local electric authority.

geraldo rivera· puerto rico· san juan· hurricane maria· narcissistic personality· 25th amendment

48:07 That's how it works in newsrooms everywhere. 125 psychologists and other mental health professionals marched on lower Broadway Saturday to demand President Trump be thrown out of office! Yeah, because that is just the way it works. You just demand he gets thrown out and he gets thrown out. It's just so simple. And even though they didn't say it would have been a great sign, we marched for the 25th because that's what they really want to do They want to take, they want to use the constitutional clause the way it's being described that allows presidents to be ousted when their cabinets decide they are unable to discharge the powers and duty of their job.

48:44 And this is, so as you see Harry Segal Cornell University psychologist says we can sense the power of Trump's underlying fear that he is worthless and weak by how intensely he resists and retaliated against any criticism. No matter how minor he can't let anything go Michelle Golan also a clinical psychologist agreed quoting excuse me We're actually suffering from his narcissistic personality He has no empathy You can feel it The way he spoke about the San Juan mayor She has PTSD and our president mistreats her. She's victim- revictimized! That's a narcissist, really? Revictimize I'm here now i can play my Geraldo clip about Puerto Rico Here we go you know he's from Puerto Rico his family is there and I guess he had an island there which he might have sold Family lives there You're from Puerto Rico used to own an Island down there? I did until four months before the storm hit And the Island survived ironically Everything is fine The solar panels How is that ironic

49:43 Don't know why it's ironic. Maybe it's just because it's about all about him It's about him, and it's available on Airbnb I'm sure I've ironically everything is fine the solar panels of the pool everything is fine Everything's fine judge the pool the solar panels is all great I am so glad you asked me to put Rico because I want to say this about the president He has been getting the worst, most dishonest press about his visit to Puerto Rico. It is staggering to me how unfair, how grotesquely unfair the reporting has been. For example I can attest because I saw with my own eyes that 90-95% of everyone he came in physical contact with or who lined the routes were all enthusiastic about his visit

50:25 And the president is right about something else. He is right about the fact that the infrastructure in Puerto Rico was an absolute disaster before Hurricane Maria, it's a dysfunctional system, it is a corrupt system, the power authority should be in jail they have used the public Puerto Rican electric authority as their own private piggy bank They should privatize energy in Puerto Rico They were awful before the hurricane 70% of Puerto Rico was out of power Maria hit. The Irma was a glancing blow last year three days it was one fire, one power plant three days the entire island was blacked out

51:04 We should bring in whoever it takes, bringing GE, bringing the Chinese. Bringing somebody to buy that power company. Run it as a business and give people reliable... I can't have my Aunt Ellie sitting in the dark anymore." On the island with the pool and solar panels. That's a good point though! It was a mess before the hurricane struck But no, here's a look at the news for this week. President is bad! Well he wants an IQ test He is kind of a moron though I have to admit Weird shit Well let's see what we got here Trying to get a rundown I have a rundown on what happened this week according to CBS Trump

CHAPTER 16 / 41 Discussion

Kirstjen Nielsen DHS Nomination, Jeff Sessions Rotation

President Trump nominated Kirstjen Nielsen to lead the Department of Homeland Security. Critics point to her role in the Bush administration's failed response to Hurricane Katrina and her ties to the "for-profit security industry." The hosts predict the media cycle will soon rotate back to attacking Attorney General Jeff Sessions and the Russia investigation.

kirstjen nielsen· john kelly· dhs· hurricane katrina· jeff sessions· media cycle

52:01 Because I want to play this new head of DHS from Democracy Now!, which kind of tells the story a little differently than we're getting from the mainstream media about this woman. President Trump says he plans to nominate Kirstjen Nielsen to serve as the next Homeland Security Secretary. John Kelly, Trump's previous Homeland Security Secretary now serves as Trump's chief of staff Nielsen is a longtime DHS official, recently serving as Kelly's chief of staff. Under President George W. Bush, she was the senior director for preparedness and response at the White House Security Council ahead of Hurricane Katrina. She was subsequently singled out in congressional reports as one of the key figures in the

52:40 figures in the Bush administration, who had been warned about the impending catastrophe of Katrina but failed to act. She's also worked in the for-profit security industry—first as a firm called Civitas Group and then founding the Security Forum Synthesis Consulting. I'm glad you picked up on this because I have not looked into her background at all. Who is this woman? She's apparently an old Washington DC hack, the kind of people that they don't want in there and who goes back and forth between the private sector and the public sector. And has worked her way up to the head of all things to be the head of Homeland Security which is not a minor role. No! I find it actually kinda fascinating that anyone could manage to do this

53:23 Let's see, where she comes from. She graduated from Georgetown School of Foreign Service with a JD from the University of Virginia School of Law so she is yeah... A spook! I don't know if she's a spook. She has the earmarks that's the earmarks let's see she was Elaine Dukes Chief of Staff at Department of Homeland Security and informally performed the role of White House Deputy Chief of Staff since Kelly resumed office as White House Chief of Staff and then she became Secretary of Homeland Security. Oh, okay So she was doing something She was running she's interim chief of staff momentarily that we maybe not heard about didn't realize that And she was chief is chief of staff of the White House Yeah, yeah, right because you know deputy deputy chief of staff Deputy Deputy got it hmm

54:22 Yeah, that's an it. That is interesting for her that's not I don't think she really has the background to for that role honestly No, I don't think so either. It's all been like really scary good and administrative assistant glorified hmm I mean, she's Kelly's assistant. He's the chief of staff. She's not well It certainly blows the whole sessions will go there out of the water That's by the way what happened to the hate for sessions that just end or was that just a media cycle? Yeah you're right it may be oh maybe it should come up again Maybe that's gonna come up again you but no no say maybe we have sessions is next on in rotation

54:58 Yeah, I think so. There's so many items we made that long list of items which I don't know if you have any more? I have it somewhere. I have a long list of items why Trump's an idiot he said moron the Russians stole the election and one thing after another And this is a long list yeah He's a sexual pervert He's incompetent There's one thing after another and they come and they push one agenda or one meme, let's say. And then another and then they move to the next, to the next, to the next. And Sessions is in there and he'll be, you'll come up again in the rotation right now I think the rotations headed toward Russia.

55:37 Yeah, that's what it looks like to me. They got the Harvey Weinstein thing they can make the association it's a sex thing as you say and Trump is a sex fiend just like Harvey Weinstein which is bullcrap if there ever was anything thats bull crap but I see this slow transition back to the Russian thing And we also have that he's a madman, and we gotta get that in there. But it rotates so Sessions will be back in the picture shortly. Yes for sure for sure Well regarding Russia then the only new news that I got is that The Russian Facebook Twitter Google YouTube Tumblr ad campaigns also on Instagram

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Iran Nuclear Deal, Saudi Arabia Proxy Wars

Following Trump's decertification of the Iran nuclear deal, Iranian officials warned of damage to America's diplomatic reputation. The hosts discuss a theory that military intelligence (DIA) has superseded the CIA in the White House. They speculate that the current administration may favor a general war between Saudi Arabia and Iran to reset Middle Eastern power dynamics.

iran· javad zarif· saudi arabia· yemen· cia· dia· military intelligence

56:23 Also included a part of a campaign with Pokemon Go. They're so smart, these Russians! They know exactly where to get the stupid Americans. That's the problem we need re-education Put people in some FEMA camps make them understand We're stupid I love it We'll do anything for a video game Well, let's play the long. This is a long clip of this Trump rap from one of the networks that kind of keeps us up to what's in the news? A little better I think than you're at NPR guy. Oh yeah but that's NPR it should be World Affairs all kinds of interesting topics. We'll show you this but this is just Trump

57:14 Iran is not living up to the spirit of the deal. A day after Donald Trump's broadside against the nuclear deal, Iranians are digesting the news and trying to figure out what it means It is possible their country's economy will take another hit But Iran's foreign minister Jawad Zarif who sat down with CBS News today thinks President Trump's decertification has above all damaged America's reputation. Nobody else would trust any US administration to engage in any long-term negotiations... In his response to Donald Trump, Iran's president hinted that his country might now expand its conventional weapons program which would add fuel to the fiery rhetoric blazing between Washington and Tehran

58:05 No sooner had the deal been signed that the Revolutionary Guard began testing missiles. It was, at the very least, provocative. Because the United States is selling hundreds of billions of dollars worth of so-called beautiful military equipment to countries in this region. He means to Iran's arch enemies, especially Saudi Arabia We need to defend our people At Friday prayers this week in Tehran there was the usual chant of death to America In recent years Iranians have come... Did they still do that? I didn't hear them go death to America just him going

58:45 Well, it's in is I think it's in Persian but yes according to her she is a human Yeah She claims that it doesn't she has a little explanation Tehran there was the usual chant of death to America In recent years Iranians have come to see this more as a stale ritual than a real battle cry But after Donald Trump's aggressive speech on Friday That could certainly change Come on. You just that's just guessing That could certainly change with his rhetoric. Yeah, it changed my rhetoric. So here's the thing I'm thinking this if we're going to listen to some of our own theses as opposed our own feces If the military intelligence group took over the White House from the CIA The central intelligence DIAs took over from CIA which would discussed yes as a possibility

59:43 Is it possible that their idea of a good time is going to be a lot different than the CIA's? And they would like to see, because it was mentioned in this report. They would actually enjoy seeing an Iran or Iran-Saudi Arabia war general war in the Middle East Because there's a proxy war right now going on in Yemen Which is... which is bad if you're in Yemen. Yeah, if you're Yemen you're in the middle of a proxy war between the Saudis and the Iranians. With us refueling and doing other groovy things Well yeah we are giving money to the Saudis to kill innocent people And is it possible that there is a scenario that somebody has written down A game, a war game, a war scenario Something that shows would be beneficial for the United States For a general war

CHAPTER 18 / 41 Discussion

Trump Iran Strategy, Qatar-Saudi Conflict

President Trump delivered a speech outlining a new strategy to confront the "rogue regime" in Iran and prevent it from acquiring nuclear weapons. The hosts discuss the lack of a singular "bad guy" figure in Iran for public relations purposes. They also note the ongoing diplomatic rift between Qatar and Saudi Arabia as a potential flashpoint.

donald trump· iran· nuclear weapons· qatar· saudi arabia· rogue regime

1:00:42 to break out between Iran and Saudi Arabia, because Saudi Arabia's kept out of the whole fray but they're still this Yemen thing came up. And they're all in on that So, and it doesn't take much logic to take you to the next level if you're gonna be fighting the Iranians in Yemen. You might as well just fight them in general area. Right right but the Iranians don't really do that they don't really like to... They like to fund other people they don't like to fight. Well no but they were all-in on a war against Iraq so they do have a warlike tendency I mean they weren't not fighting And so that's not, we haven't seen it within our just recent memory that the Iraqis and the Iranians are at a full-blown war. Well let's listen to the president's own words well I'm sorry they're not his words their teleprompter words which he is delivering My fellow Americans as President of the United States my highest obligation is to ensure the safety and security of the American people

1:01:44 Yeah, no. I'm really really really sorry Who is writing this for you? That- You may feel that's your responsibility but the oath you took is to defend and uphold the Constitution Yes we fall under that but please...I hate it It pisses me off, it really does History has shown that the longer we ignore a threat, the more dangerous that threat becomes. For this reason upon taking office I've ordered a complete strategic review of our policy toward the rogue regime in Iran

1:02:23 That review is now complete. Today I am announcing our strategy, along with several major steps we are taking to confront the Iranian regime's hostile actions and to ensure that Iran never—and I mean never—acquires a nuclear weapon." Alright so here's the problem with this thesis and i like it And it sounds like you know this is indeed part of the plan So you're never going to have a nuclear weapon We'll put a stop to it The problem with Iran is they don't have a dude. There's no one to point at, you know that Shah guy... It's too confusing people understand if he has power because they got some president. They need a bad hat! We can't sponsor an information war against Iran if we don't have a baddie I think it's a real problem

1:03:17 Well, that can be resolved with good public relations. Right? So let's be on the lookout for it if that is the mission they've got to have... Okay lets make the assumption of the DIA running the White House and the president and executive office. That's... Once a war between... Military intelligence. Let's just make it clear. Yeah military intelligence we'll use that Once a war between the Saudis and the Iranians, for whatever reason take over the oil. We don't know what to do or just have it... Well we can sell stuff! Yeah, well you can sell a lot of stuff that's true and so it's a moneymaker for us if it's done right. If the plan is executed properly Yes, let's see if things head in that direction. Yeah I mean we'll just have to wait. And we do have a little episode with Qatar

1:04:06 Which is another little sore point that again, I'm sure NPR mentioned that in their rundown about the craziness going there. I guess not with the Qatar and Saudi's having a beef with them and the Iran... Qatar is advertising everywhere CNBC and other business channels they're advertising Qatar open for business this is just this isn't unfair block you know screw Saudi Arabia come on over join us it's all groovy here This could be if the orchestrated correctly this could be quite interesting to watch. Yeah, well we will be watching I'm looking for a bad hat to arise. I don't know how they do it I don't think there's any election schedule We need someone to be the bad guy you need to say that guy is killing his own people or Come on. You know it works It's the basic building blocks of what we do well with that

CHAPTER 19 / 41 Discussion

Executive Producer Credits, Home Depot Millennial Skills

The hosts thank Executive Producers Kelly Sandlin and Keith Gibson for their financial support. A discussion follows regarding a Zero Hedge article about Home Depot creating videos to teach millennials how to use hammers. The hosts blame the decline of basic manual skills on the removal of "shop" and "home ec" classes from schools due to liability concerns.

kelly sandlin· keith gibson· home depot· zero hedge· home economics· shop class

1:05:02 I'd like to thank you for your courage. That's saying the morning to John C, as he stands for compositing Russia stories for the Trump cycle, Dvorak! Well in the morning of you Mr Adam Curry also in the morning all ships and sea boots on the ground feet in the air subs in the water and all the dames and knights out there yes In The Morning To... let me bring it up here Josh Shatorium Now, Josh Atorian brought us the artwork for episode 9 or 7.2 title of that was Menprovement which is not caught on yet but we're still waiting. This was Taylor Swift uh the patriotic 2020 presidential kind of photo with her with the stars and stripes in the background in the White House

1:05:45 I can't remember why it was so good. Oh, I can remember yeah we looked at all the different art and we said well you know a picture of Taylor Swift oh that's right always a winner! You're right It's like...you know there is nothing against Taylor Swift on your album art it always works if you...it's cheap but we're doing it Yeah And until we get a letter You are right, you are right I forgot That's exactly why we did it Yeah, because we had notes like, oh Taylor Swift wouldn't run for office. Yeah a bunch of complainers well we only have two people here to thank and we do have that we do have a third which is because the checks didn't get posted okay and I'm just gonna move the third and

1:06:40 to Thursday show. I'm gonna tell Patrick Mealy in beautiful Utah that he's going to get moved and Gage, his son is giving a knighthood too. Hopefully we got all birthdays and stuff off the checks if were lucky Oh, this is the only one? No there's none. Okay good alright good So the only thing here is that Gage is a late birthday present because he was turned 18 in September which was last month so let's go with what we got Kelly Sandlin is the executive producer for show 973 and she came up with 333 dot 33 no note keep doing what you're doing boom thank you and J&K There's 1 on the Boomometer

1:07:24 Keith Gibson, $200 would be our associate executive producer and he just says dealer's choice on the jingles. Well dealer's choice... I'd like to pick an Obama if-if-IF you can find it. Yeah, I think so. Obama IF let's see what we have... I think that has to be if-if-IF doesn't it? If-if-IF Every time you look for it you can never find it. Yeah, I'm not sure what that is. Obama IF If, if, if it does. Okay how about this? How about Greg just form a circle and get in big hug that old fashioned their old clip that's tell us secret no there is no competition yes I have that one okay its a favorite of mine That all you want only that one? You wanted an if or don't you? Well no I had the if,if,if Damnit Obama stutter why can't I find this This is really bad

1:08:27 Yeah, this one needs to be re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re You've got karma. That's a good one. I forgot about that one. We have better ones! Yeah, I want to mention the... there is no competition we just hug and share our secrets. There was an article that came out on Zero Hedge about Home Depot fearful which is something we talked about recently. The millennials they don't even know how to use a hammer they can't hammer a nail really

1:09:42 Yeah, and they don't know what to do about it so they come out with videos that show people how to use a hammer and nail. I mean, it's just unbelievably idiotic. This goes back to our home ec conversation. Home ec and shop classes are no longer available to kids because of liabilities that come... Liability, of course. Liability so there is no shop classes, there is no auto shop which used to have when... You can't do anything with autos anymore anyway John you can get in there that's all tightened up but it was all locked down and you can't get in. Yeah And that's true, but you can still build a car from scratch or you could maybe learn how to tune up a fuel injection system. I mean there's new things you can do that would be appropriate in auto shop. Woodshop they used to have metal shop in one of the schools I went too so they had the three kinds of shops for boys and home ec and couple other classes for women although you'd see women in woodshop class too

1:10:42 But then you learn how to, you know use a screwdriver. Do you think they still do that? We had this way after partner boy girl have to partner up and you have to have a baby It's a doll and you have to take care of the doll for the weekend together Yeah, it never happened I've never seen that yeah, maybe I'm I'm pre I predate dead bullshit Yeah, it was around for sure. I'm sure it was and that shirt came after I came in with him Hey! Was that it? Was that is for the donations? Yeah Man...I can't take this roller coaster Yes, goes from up to down, up to down Even if we had an extra one there would only be one more disturbing which will be on the next show And there's also some guy promised a giant check but he never showed up

1:11:29 skeptical. All right, well we want to thank our sole executive producer and sole associate executive producer for coming in and helping us out as best they could but it's I'm just looking at this list it's going to be a short second donation segment as well what is going on? It's weird I can't put my finger on it We always have to wonder if there's a message. There is pre-collapse of the economy. Yes, Armageddon is nigh I'm sure! Well these of course are official credits so you can take them put them in our business cards and put on your LinkedIn join the guild if you want to The Producers Guild will recognize it and again we really appreciate it will be thanking more people fifty dollars and over later on second segment and remember our show coming up on Thursday

CHAPTER 20 / 41 Discussion

San Diego Hepatitis A Outbreak, Plastic Bag Ban

A major Hepatitis A outbreak in San Diego is linked to the California plastic bag ban. Homeless advocates argue that without free plastic bags, individuals lack a sanitary way to dispose of waste, leading to increased environmental contamination. San Diego County is now distributing "hygiene kits" containing plastic bags to mitigate the spread of the disease.

san diego· san francisco· hepatitis a· plastic bag ban· wilma wooten· hygiene kits

1:12:20 And of course, the rest of the weekend you got your Sunday left to go out there and formula. Our formula is this... We go out we hit people in the mouth. Hey citizen! Yes yes yes hey poop update oh okay this is uh yeah you know you've seen the poop app this is all based on your story about hepatitis A

1:13:03 Yeah. In San Francisco, in the general San Francisco area? Well the San Diego's worse. The San Diego is where it's worst? Okay. Now we may have an answer to why this is happening and why this all of a sudden sped ahead. And if true—and I think it's reasonable—it shows you how sometimes the best social justice movements can result in undesired movements. I got it! Go. No, I got the joke. Oh you got the joke? Okay There was a joke in it and you didn't know Yeah i did but It wasn't meant to like be deconstructed No this is because of The plastic bag ban there's no more Plastic bags for the homeless people To poop in Well that's an interesting little observation Its not just A little observation I think its huge Here uh This Is uhhh Homeless man who writes The homeless survival guide

1:14:04 said, the hepatitis outbreak was completely predictable. It's why I left San Diego." Absolutely we know people use bags for that," said the San Diego County Public Health Officer Wilma Wooten We know people don't have bathrooms and they can put bags in cans and buckets to maintain good hygiene That's why we put plastic bags in the hygiene kits were handing out Oh! Okay... That'll solve it You take away millions of plastic bags And now you're gonna hand out little kits Little hygiene kit. Here's your poop bag, here is your toothbrush don't confuse them I mean come on that's a very good observation and i didn't know this but hepatitis A spread by contact with feces or blood we knew that but even a trace amount that's months old yeah oh yeah you have to heat it to 185 degrees to kill it can live for months outside the body holy moly yes very bad actor

1:15:05 Maybe this is a new product we can launch. What? The No Agenda Shit Kit, just an idea! I walked right into that one. Yes you did! So well to weigh on the idea of some of these things, these things last, diseases and horrible things are going to happen... I didn't clip the whole thing because it went on forever but because there's this show, I think its called DW World that I pull some crazy clips from every so often, this is one of them. But this is a classic example because I remember there's this one guy can't quite remember his name who was on London's talk show who's always condemning people who despise the EU for their frivolous laws play The Pomfret versus The EU story.

CHAPTER 21 / 41 Discussion

EU French Fry Regulations, Acrylamide Health Concerns

The European Commission proposed new guidelines for preparing Belgian frites to reduce levels of acrylamide, a potential carcinogen. The 10-page report includes color scales for finished potatoes and strict rules on sugar content and pH values. Belgian aficionados criticized the move as bureaucratic overreach that threatens traditional double-frying methods.

european union· belgium· french fries· frites· acrylamide· brussels

1:16:02 Did you know that the French fry is in fact not French, but rather Belgian in origin? I did. Belgian fry doesn't quite roll off the tongue of the same way but they are delicious! One reason for this is the country's unique double-fry method... I do just want to say one thing You know I am an expert in the Fry Arena Well, I'm glad for you. Just saying that I will be listening and you can comment when I after this clip is or I'm gonna make some to tell You some more stuff that was in the furtherance of the clip And then I want you to tell me with using your expertise yes I think we did this story by the way We didn't have a clip but we did the story yes pretty news This is pretty new and there's news rotations just came out this weekend. We did the story

1:16:48 Okay. This summer, Brussels was the site of an unusually delectable political drama. At its center Belgian frites Unlike similar tasty treats made elsewhere here they are lovingly bathed in lots of oil twice

1:17:29 First you've got to deep fry or poach the chips in hot oil. That ensures they stay soft inside, then they're fried again to a lovely golden color. The amount of time depends on the type of potato and its sugar and starch content. You need an eye for that – it's a skill." Oh yes! In Belgium we can tell when they are ready… So, Belgian fry aficionados weren't pleased when the EU Commission proposed new guidelines on how the snack should be prepared.

1:18:06 And to add insult to injury, the report called them French fries rather than frites. Pages of recommendations regarding crispiness sugar content and pH value A change in processing procedure actually began in the early 1970s when a German fry manufacturer used a machine to cut up the potatoes which were then blanched that is briefly plunged into boiling water The result the chips absorbed less oil, but they also tasted a little bland Artificial flavoring took care of that problem. But that's another story Then in 2002 acrylamide was discovered in food believed to be carcinogenic It forms on the frying process when certain foods are heated to a temperature greater than 120 degrees Celsius Before you say anything

1:18:59 You said this was brand new news. I'm not doubting you, I just want to show you how far ahead the No Agenda Show is This is episode 940 June 22nd The Commission has come up with a little issue with the Belgians Now...You need to know that even though the Dutch- Okay So that's when we were talking about it Sounds right. That's how good we are so now I'm looking at this report because they showed the on the screen in HD the pages of The yes is about 10 pages of rules how to cook french fries yeah

1:19:36 And I'm looking at this and it's like, I gotta get a copy of it because by the way the way the story ends that goes on to big fusses made and people come out with all kinds of bitching and moaning articles. And then EU comes out says we're not gonna do anything which I think is what we determined in the first time we talked about this but I'm looking at these rules and discussing the sugar content of the potatoes has to be such-and-such They have a color scale and you have to match the potato chip when it's finished to a color scale with value.

1:20:15 And you can do that either by comparing it to a chart or by hitting it with some... With a paint chip. That looks the business right there, yeah perfect. It went on and on and on with the sugar content in the pH, the finished pH and how long you can leave it in the oil It was unbelievable that these guys are that bored. This is the problem when you have with bureaucrats, with nothing to do and they decide to go after something maybe they hate the Belgians I don't know but They didn't go into the details about the German method of making potatoes With their boiling the potato first and the rest of it But i will say this

CHAPTER 22 / 41 Discussion

French Fry Cooking Techniques, Safflower Oil Benefits

John C. Dvorak shares his expertise on making the perfect French fry, recommending the German Butterball potato and safflower oil for its high smoke point. He disputes the effectiveness of the double-fry method popularized by Julia Child. The hosts discuss the potential for a "frietkot" (fry snack bar) business model in the United States.

french fries· safflower oil· german butterball· julia child· hexane extraction· frietkot

1:20:59 Anyway, I just thought it was a gasp by the story. But since we're gonna talk about french fries for just a second you are a french fry expert. I have found that one thing...I have played with this double cooking idea forever because it shows up in The Joy of Cooking and it shows up in Julia Child's cookbooks. Yeah and its double frying really. You fry it a little bit then take it out again then you fry it again. I have found that it does nothing And it doesn't do crap. I'm more concerned about the potato itself than the methodology for cooking the potato, and we'll say one thing for people who like to make French fries at home that if you can find if they have them, the German butterball potato...

1:21:48 If turned into French fries is an absolutely remarkable product because it actually ends up looking like it was coated or something when it's cooked. It doesn't just make a smooth surface, its got kind of crinkly little thing going on in the cooking process and its a fabulous tasting French fry Generally speaking, when I do French fries... Can you just say one thing about what I know about the frying process in Belgium of the frito? I live there and of course... Sure. Yeah It's two different types of oils at different temperatures And what are those temperatures? I doubt, but they have a pre-fry and the main fry. I think it's two different kinds of oils. Well that would make sense because you have different specific heats in each oil. Yeah yeah, there are different heats for different temperatures of the oil. Generally speaking i cook in safflower

1:22:49 which has a high specific heat, you can really get it hot. And I use if i can, if its normal potatoes as opposed to the German butterball, I will use a 5mm size chip which is close to being shoestrings but not. And do you cut that yourself? Yes, but I don't do five millimeters. That's how we use one of those that's very Slider things that you can kill yourself with those horrible slice the half your friends devices My finger have to be very careful with these things and

1:23:32 But five millimeter you get the little five minute because they have the little blades you stick it in this thing and there are five millimeters apart then you adjust of the vertical by hand and you get a nice 5 millimeter French fry. And is absolutely killer. But safflower oil is what I use to save for oil once its heated up. What is the oil? I use safflower or sunflower. Safflower oil is a great high temperature cooking oil, sunflower's good too. You don't need expeller oil in fact you probably don't want it. These oils are created from hexane extraction process generally and when the oil... all those hexanes toxic when you heat the oil up for the first time

1:24:19 I don't use any of these hexane oils for salad dressing, but if you heat it up the first time... If there's any residual hexane it gets blown off by the heat. So you're in pretty good shape. I have long since thought that in the United States having a frietkot or as we would say snack bar Just selling french fries that you would like the Dutch do it, but they actually sell it But you have the off you can have. It's like a food trail You got of a food truck they have literally have exactly what you're describing in New York City Yeah, well you need a lot of them because people dig that and it's very cheap. It's a cheap product to make an outstanding tasting Yeah, I agree dish yeah hey John another another opportunity for us

CHAPTER 23 / 41 Discussion

European Secession Movements, Dutch Fry Toppings

Following the Catalonia independence push, the hosts discuss other potential European hotspots for secession, including Flanders and Friesland. The conversation shifts back to Dutch culinary traditions, specifically "patatje oorlog" (war fries), which features a combination of mayonnaise, ketchup, onions, and peanut satay sauce.

catalonia· flanders· wallonia· friesland· basque country· satay sauce

1:25:02 Yeah, we can go into the free truck game. Free truck game! Very nice. Well Zero Hedge also wrote an interesting story maybe it came from somewhere else or maybe it's a reprint and I know he brought this up about the Spexit where Catalonia wants to get out but I don't really have an update on that at the moment But the talk in the European Union is, you know this is very dangerous or somebody actually wanted who knows. They talk of the Catalan chain reaction which could set off next on the list would be Flanders and the Flemish and the Walloons where Flanders would want to split off. I saw them there's a little map floating around showing all these little hot spots where this could happen. How about Wales? Wouldn't Wales be...I think Wales less likely than Scotland okay

1:25:57 You could have Friesland. Yeah, there's a little map floating around showing the real hotspots and I think is Basque country as well. But that's pretty reduced to next to nothing. We should...I really like this French fry truck game idea Do you know what the toppings are? The typical Dutch Belgian toppings. I'll give you the nicknames too, so you have French fry with... You just say French fry with mayonnaise. Very creamy mayonnaise then you can have a special which is mayonnaise ketchup and onions

1:26:38 Then you can have a patatje oorlog, which means a french fry war. And that is the same as the specials so we have the mayonnaise, ketchup and onions AND you add on some peanut satay sauce. Satay? Satay sauce yeah we call it satay saus. So peanut satay sauce. There's a multitude! I wonder do they use that peanut sauce in Belgium because that sounds more like a Dutch thing. Which one?

1:27:14 The satay sauce is just peanuts, peanut sauce. It comes from the... Yeah, from Indonesia. Dutch would have it because of their trademarks. Indonesia. I'm smacking my lips because i'm hungry now! I can taste it like oh yeah and then you can say then the secondary product is croquette, frikandella hamburgers you know you can sell all kinds of secondary stuff but make that make your french fries make it the main deal it's money in the bank ten dollars All righty. Speaking of oil, our old phrase peak oil is back. Why? I'm glad you asked! There's a new meaning to peak oil You have just dropped the bombshell off camera and then you've done it again on camera Do you think your price is plummeting to 10 bucks Yeah not in the next few weeks or months so maybe even quarters

CHAPTER 24 / 41 Discussion

Peak Oil Demand, Electric Vehicle Skepticism

The concept of "peak oil" is shifting from supply limits to demand limits, with forecasts suggesting a peak between 2023 and 2025 due to electric vehicles. The hosts express skepticism regarding the freedom offered by EVs, noting that electricity can be easily cut off by authorities. They advocate for diesel engines, which can run on vegetable oil in emergencies.

peak oil· electric vehicles· saudi arabia· solar energy· diesel engines· moore's law

1:28:10 But I think the long-term outlook for oil, because of what's happening in terms of electric vehicles. You know 70% of oil use is transportation cars and planes and so on So what happens to electric vehicles is really important And if you look at some of the long range forecasts You know, we used to talk about peak oil in terms of supply. We now need to talk about peak oil in terms of demand and I think the year could be somewhere 2023-2025 peak oil demand. Well the great old Saudi oil minister quote which we often drag out on moments like this is that stone age didn't end because of lack of stones Right yeah and that's fascinating isn't it?

1:28:48 It's like he had rolled right off his tongue. I'd never heard it, but i like it a lot! Stone age didn't end just because of lack of stones. Right yeah and that fascinating isn't it? But you know what is fascinating we forget... He was a dick shut up you interrupted me I'm fascinated let me continue 20 years ago the world didn't live on oil Oil hasn't always driven the global economy To be fair although I have got room for horse particularly one No you don't want a horse but there was coal before that wood and there have been other sources of energy, excuse me. But I think the point is alternative energy in some forms is gathering speed you know? There's Moore's law within solar energy. You gotta be on the lookout for that meme really that means every two years the amount of silicon you can pack into a sheet is going to double and the price is gonna drop by half boy! That hasn't happened... Within the cost of it. I think it's terrific point because interestingly

1:29:44 new economies and emerging economies that adopt new technologies first because they don't have the old infrastructure that they have to keep servicing. It's easier to do that. Dare I say, a command economy it is easy to get stuff done everyone says oil is going be very important part of the mix 20, 30 40 years out. I'm talking about peak oil and the numbers could be not much more than 20 million barrels a day where we are maybe 25 I don't want to pin it down too precisely it's a big broad range but the point is you know how do Saudi still makes its money if oil goes to 10, but it doesn't balance its books. You know Russia has... the global politics changes dramatically under this oil price scenario. So what do the oil companies do? Dramatically Canada everyone loves Canada at the moment Right But deep well all of them need high prices I like that little bit at the end everybody loves Canada but wait until the oil price goes to $10 ha ha ha they'll be screwed

1:30:41 The oil price could go to 20. I mean, it's happened we've seen these fluctuations before but it really looks very stable at where it is right now which is like $51 and 42 cents. Right. And... Well, a concept of peak oil as in demand is interesting because everywhere I go I hear people talking about electric vehicles and these are they somehow the hypnosis is complete. There is no thought at all about the dependents and who then controls your vehicle or potentially can control your vehicle, and that is your pipeline to energy, to electricity which in some like disasters isn't available but it's also something that gets cut off

1:31:29 This is very deep inherent belief that once we have the infrastructure in place to recharge or swap out a battery, it's going to be just as easy and you'll have your freedom. And I'm like no! Get a diesel then... It's also hard to convince people that even a modern-day diesel can run on salad oil. Yes it can You don't have to change anything. Well, you had to make some adjustments. No nothing! The only adjustment you have to make is...you need to be able to heat it in the tubing if it's too cold outside that's all. It will run well diesel engines are remarkable and I would say if you're a total paranoid freak that's exactly what you want yeah that's what I really do want I can't afford the diesel version of a truck

CHAPTER 25 / 41 Discussion

Electric Vehicle Energy Efficiency, Austin Tech Culture

A technical discussion explores whether electric vehicles actually save money when accounting for power plant generation and grid loss. The hosts argue that EVs are heavily subsidized and may not be more efficient than modern internal combustion engines. They also mention the specialized training EMTs require to safely disable high-voltage batteries in crashed Priuses and Teslas.

tesla· kilowatt hours· power grid· subsidies· austin· emt training

1:32:19 but the gasoline engine to me still seems like to be the best alternative when given a choice and The I agree this electricity thing is unreliable Not go very far. I have a scientific question for you, which struck me? I can't answer it I may sound really stupid, but John's like Oh goody oh yes, okay Let's go all right All right, the energy that you have in your vehicle whether that is in my truck which has gasoline. Whether that's a Tesla or maybe even a super car it doesn't matter The amount of energy which is measured in kilowatt hours and there are other types of measurements to come along with that That is just the amount of energy that you have to spend on the road with your vehicle

1:33:08 Whether you have a tank full of gas or whether you have filled up charge. That energy comes from somewhere, so if you have... let's just say for purpose of argument You have the same range in a Tesla as you do in a mid-sized car that can go 200 miles radius So let's just say it is the same But doesn't the amount of energy that ultimately is transferred to the wheels onto the road, that has to come back from somewhere? And is it so much cheaper to create all of that energy that is stored in the battery than it is to burn it almost straight away in the gas-powered car. Does that make any sense?"

1:33:50 I think what you're trying, I don't know what you're trying to say. It might make sense... I'm asking a question! The point is that you have to get the energy into the battery from some place and create full power plant for it. Yeah and then you gotta take the battery, creating the battery all of these things does it really do that much other than possibly? Does this save money is what your asking? Does it really save money when you count the cost electricity, the cost generation of the electricity and all the rest of it There are some, it seems to be cheaper. That's why you get that 100 mile per gallon equivalency. It seems to be a little cheaper to use electricity but the electricity is using some power someplace and people think that gas engine can also provide that same sort of miles-per-gallon equivalency if it was, if the engine was more efficient or there's some new kind of motor that was developed apparently there's people working on that as we speak

1:34:43 Not necessarily with the... Maybe it's the ultimate cost to power ratio that I should be looking at. What does it really cost? Yeah, I think it's a little cheaper and it also has got more environmentally friendly for sure at the car level yes for sure not necessarily at the power plant level right But you lose a lot of electricity through the power line. So there's really a lot of wasted energy no matter what you do, right? But I believe it to be a little cheaper. Okay. I could be wrong and there may be an engineer so they can show us a calculation showing is not cheaper because we do know that these numbers

1:35:27 The equivalency numbers are one thing. There's also the fact that these cars are subsidized and you're not really paying what you should be paying for these cars, so if you're paying $120,000 for a really fancy electric car and you have the gasoline equivalent car that is $75,000, are you saving $50,000? I don't think so. Yeah, no, I don't think so either. Alright, well I notice in my environment people are all in and we forget about what can you remind us? What town you're in Oh Austin yes Austin blue dot in the red state whoo. I wonder if you went outside of Austin to a normal town Yeah You asked me question get shot it's like no Son what you doing here, Austin

CHAPTER 26 / 41 Discussion

California Wildfire Update, Reporter Lindsay Janis

ABC News reporter Lindsay Janis provides updates on the devastating wildfires in Santa Rosa and Sonoma County, which have destroyed over 3,500 structures. The damage is estimated at $1.2 billion, with 5% of Santa Rosa's housing wiped out. Dvorak describes "earthquake weather" in the Bay Area and the presence of falling ash.

santa rosa· sonoma county· lindsay janis· abc news· wildfires· earthquake weather

1:36:21 What are you doing? What happens when that electric car electrocutes ya? Hey, let me tell ya. Go look at the training manuals for EMTs on how to disable... Every vehicle has special kill switches you have to pull before you can do anything to it Yeah that includes Priuses Yes! Oh yeah the Prius has got a lot of high voltage that could mess with ya for sure All right, I want to do at least one. I got two cliffs and I want to do two rundowns of the fires because the fire is still going on Have we seen any rain? We have but further north Okay it's on its way people It's coming Well...we've done it I'm doubting it But let's see now I have some personal anecdotes The other day there was ash coming down Yeah In the bay area I mean wasn't enough to cover anything just like oh look there's a piece of ash

1:37:20 Yesterday, the winds shifted around here in the Bay Area. It was beautiful and in fact it was so nice yesterday. It was clear there was no smoke in the air. It was absolute dynamite even though they're showing people wearing masks and getting carried away. And then yesterday evening I'm gonna bring a term into domain here. Yesterday evening when I went out one of those perfect evenings in California where's about 67-68 degrees No wind, no breeze but still clear. Beautiful! It feels great to be outside in that weather in the evening or even early at night and the first thing you think if you lived in California when you feel that feeling it only happens once a while you say yourself earthquake weather

1:38:12 And that's what I always say. That's what I was, I went outside home and oh earthquake weather. People always mock Californians for saying earthquake weather but that experience is...that's what earthquake weather is it's always usually in October when there's usually an earthquake so wow you know that's bullcrap there's no such thing Let's play the, well I say you have an earthquake. It's funny fire update now when I say this is Lindsay Janice on ABC and I have to just do a call out because I've decided that as a reporter she's always in the field doing something like this

1:38:52 I think she's the best reporter on all three networks. Really? Domestic reporter, I think she is pleasant to look at She presents herself well in terms of the way she does her reads What is your name again? Lindsay Janice J-A-N-I-S I think it was Lindsey L-I-N-Z-I-E Just I mean it's when she does a report. It's always thorough it's well put together It doesn't have a lot of propaganda necessarily in it, and I just like her reporting She comes from CNN International London when she started her career Really? She's got no London accent. She must have been graduated with while she's a real journo

1:39:35 She graduated with a degree in journalism from the University of the Arts of London, in London. Which is a fine journalism school I'm sure. Oh and now listen to see if she has a British accent...she has none that's how good she is. Her next here to California is deadly and devastating wildfires they fear possible worsening winds there this weekend Dangerous conditions expected through Sunday winds up to 50 miles an hour. And look at this tonight, smoke 75 miles away in San Francisco people wearing masks schools closed today ABC's Lindsay Janis in Santa Rosa again tonight amid new stories one couple surviving in their neighbors pool the fire all around them

1:40:14 I heard it right there in the tonight. Tonight... In the tonight, that's what- That's where I heard that. No, I wouldn't have known either. Tonight, firefighters keeping up the battle to save homes amid the deadliest week in California fire history. The enormity of this disaster we're only beginning to understand. Harrowing stories of the victims now emerging. The Shepard family's car catching fire as they fled the flames 14-year old Kai didn't make it. The rest of the family badly burned. The fires now larger than New York City

1:40:57 how so much of the battle against these fires is being fought by hand. Firefighters spraying and raking the ground, putting out hot spots." More than 3500 structures destroyed in Sonoma a team of firefighters saving several homes in just a few hours. We were just literally running from house to house it's super smoky it's super high you really can't see very well Tonight, with hundreds of people still missing we're learning incredible stories of survival. She said you got to get out of that house Jan and John Pascoe say their daughter called it to alert them to the fire I looked at my window and there was a wall of flame at my window

1:41:37 So that's how fast it happened for us. We had no warning." Their only option? their neighbors pool, holding each other in the water and countless family pets rescued too. The Sonoma County Humane Society treating cats with burned paws doing hard work there to help save the animals and that story of the pools just something Lindsay. Lindsey Janis back with us from Santa Rosa tonight, and Lindsay you were telling us they're now estimating the damage to housing alone there at more than a billion dollars already? That's right David! At least 5% percent of the housing here in Santa Rosa totally wiped out. The damage estimates more than 1.2 billion dollars And you can see just how quickly people fled these three wheelchairs left charred and mangled right outside this house

1:42:27 Man, what a horrible story. By the way she's from Schaumburg Illinois which I think is rich suburb of Chicago Well was that where she from before? She went to London yeah Yeah And she's married to Good Morning America senior broadcast producer John Farrakhan Farrakhan Farrakin something like that Mm-hmm hey, I like her. I think it does good work. Yeah well She looks like a real Giorno Now, Jerno you don't have to overdo it. I do! So there's a little snippet i have of this story and I want to discuss it This is from ABC also this the mailman snippet

CHAPTER 27 / 41 Discussion

USPS Mail Delivery in Fire Zones, Trump Blame

A viral image of a USPS mail truck delivering to mailboxes in a completely leveled Santa Rosa neighborhood sparks a discussion on postal dedication. The hosts speculate on how the media will eventually link the fires to Donald Trump or global warming. They criticize the local government's "defensive" response and failure to call in early reinforcements.

usps· santa rosa· mail delivery· donald trump· global warming· california

1:43:07 Okay. Vicki Walker hugging this firefighter to say thank you firefighters across California saving lives, homes and so many family treasures in this image the mail truck still stopping at mailboxes a haunting moment but still a moment of dedication Okay, that's so here. We are now you guys our United States Postal Service John should be proud of that I'm kind of proud of it but again. I'm thinking maybe they should have some common sense here There is a house there's a block of houses. There's not a house there It just their gone. There's nothing, but there is a mailbox in the stick. What are those made of? How come they hang around? I don't know about this apparently didn't catch on fire as one of those it's like an RFD box is not like in the house. It's out by the sidewalk and is there and the guy is putting mail in it. There was no house there. Oh, there's just a mailbox. So okay. Got delivered

1:44:08 We're post. Oh, Armando Armando I bet you there's a rule about it we've got him we've got a very famous mail carrier here in Austin well you should get ahold of him and tell them what's the deal yeah he's never offended by the way luckily oh good not gonna go postal on us well we do have we were pro-post office we've always been always great so yeah it's a great institution astonishing product if you think about it It has its issues. Yeah, but look what they do! But again... common sense here you know there's no house and there's a mailbox where he puts mail in it. It's that mail truck. They won't let anybody drive around these areas but the mail trucks okay good to go now here's my problem why have they not been able to link this to Trump somehow yet?

1:45:06 Well, they have a I think the same thing I said before which is that you're going to do the linkage in the postmortem and they're gonna link it to Trump. They're gonna link it to global warming or they're gonna link at all kinds of things but the real problem is that California is such a Democrat run state has been kind of kicked to this curve by the Washington and Trump. It's going to be hard to blame Trump for anything in California ever What do you think is, you said it was incompetence was your feeling last time we discussed it Yes I said I didn't like the way this was being handled because it got out of control so quickly They didn't call in the Calvary right away when it first broke out I think it was on Wednesday maybe

1:45:59 And then they played, it was all a defensive game after that. You know telling people to get the hell out and I'm just bothered by a suburb development housing development on flat land. Yeah you've gone through this. And I know it's a continuous complaint of mine the whole thing going up in flames...I don't care 50 mile an hour winds or not It just says to me that everything is under, nothing's safe. Yeah well no get used to it slave you're not safe please but you said cavalry and I brought up a different topic different clip but i'm aghast segue yes i'm aghast that...you don't have to point out

CHAPTER 28 / 41 Discussion

Toronto School Board "Chief" Ban, Cultural Appropriation

The Toronto District School Board (TDSB) removed the word "chief" from job titles, such as "Chief of Social Work," to avoid offending Indigenous communities. The hosts mock the decision and brainstorm alternative titles for the "C-suite," suggesting "Prime Executive Officer" as a replacement for CEO. They debate whether the term "commander-in-chief" will be targeted next.

toronto district school board· chief· cultural appropriation· indigenous people· c-suite· prime executive officer

1:46:49 that Canada is now leading the social justice warrior movement. I mean, this is supposed to be our gig all right? But no they have to go and take it one step further...I know we've talked about it but it actually is now coming to fruition with certain names and things that we just cannot use anymore because they are cultural appropriation or culturally inappropriate. Mr. Byrd what's wrong with the word chief I think the administration here at the TDSB made the proactive decision to change it, just given that fact that it has been used as a negative word, a slur or pejorative. Two people in the aboriginal community over the years so they made the proactive decision to eliminate from about roughly 20 or so people who had that in their title here at the TDSB and thats out of

1:47:42 Obviously close to 40,000 staff we have here. Give us some examples of the titles that have been changed? So for example we had 12 chiefs within our professional support services department so for example the Chief of Social Work We had a number of those Those are now managers of social work. Are you kidding me?! No I'm not! The whole C-suite has to go and i think it's going to happen here Chief Executive Officer. That is an appropriation of American Indians, I'm all on board with this. Where do we have it in American Indian history that they call themselves chief using the word chief? Do you remember Aaron Bursell? No He was a big at pod show Big guy probably 280-290 big guy dark skin

1:48:45 And he was PR or something like that. You don't remember him? I remember one time saying, oh yo chief what's up and I didn't know who is American Indian and he said you know i'm really offended by that. Sorry okay I'll never do it again I had the same experience once at a dinner party where I said, well that's a gyp. Gypsy yes! One of the guys was a Romani or whatever they called themselves. And he was offended? Yeah Oh God. He says you can't use that word and I said what? He says it is derogatory toward gypsies. The correct answer would have been okay I'm sorry fagg That's what you should have said. Yeah that's what i should've said sure

1:49:35 Hmm. Well, I have a feeling this could get legs the commander-in-chief. It's a great way to bring Trump into it Is the commander in chief culturally appropriating American American Indians? Well where is Commander in Chief? Chief Executive, chief of staff. Chief Marketing Officer, Chief Executive Officer. That's right the C-suite. Chief COO, Chief Operating Officer Let us help everyone now by coming up with an appropriate alternative what can we use with a c besides John C DeVore? We would come up with something that does not lewd Yeah yeah right

1:50:16 It doesn't have to be a C, although it would help business cards. Chief petty officer? It was the C because... Yeah, you didn't want that chief petty officer. Yeah gotta go. How about just cheap? How about head marketing officer? Head executive officer. Oh no! That's what is the same thing So you said chief to this guy just casually as kind of a bro thing? I said, hey Chief. Yeah, hey Chief how are you doing? Hey Chief... And did you know he was an American Indian? No no i didn't! I do now! Well if you'd know there was American Indians here it wouldn't even be more appropriate You're complimenting him

1:50:54 Well, he was offended. He's easily offended And he's a PR guy yeah, he's on face value macro this guy Wow Okay, well let's see head you don't like head Let's go to the synonyms and see what we got but I think chief that That is bad Yeah Champion it'll happen here I'm betting money it won't happen, but hmm. Well, they think it's one step too many czar We already know the tsars no good yeah that's appropriating from the Russians how much is chef? Chef executive officer chef would be appropriate when did that have to change so much yeah, especially if you're black commander and chef I don't well maybe you have to work on it

1:51:48 Got to sit in them sir hold on a second. Okay, okay? We got Lee you had champion of a champion that's a C champ champ executive officer okay Yeah, champ yeah champ champion first grand grand no Main prime prime principal prime prime prime executive who prime is good Prime executive officer Yeah, prime executive officer I think prime could work Prime is good. Prime, prime is nice you can use that in French premier You can use it and I think they're probably yeah you could it would work everywhere cardinal primary central ruling star superior telling consequential controlling superior executive officer has a nice ring to it But I think prime even if it's this I think nailed it with prime prime Is it prime is right? Yeah, right, okay We're done all right an Amazon prime has then rebranded

CHAPTER 29 / 41 Discussion

Aldi and Trader Joe's Ownership, German Supermarket Strategy

The hosts explain the split between Aldi Nord and Aldi Sud, two separate German companies owned by the Albrecht family. In the United States, Aldi Sud operates as "Aldi," while Aldi Nord owns "Trader Joe's." They discuss the "story-based" marketing of Trader Joe's that appeals to millennials despite what they describe as poor-quality produce.

aldi nord· aldi sud· trader joe's· germany· grocery stores· millennials

1:52:44 I don't think they do. No, it makes it even better! All right well glad you brought that into the conversation I have a little side note, since we came up in the conversation. I think it's a couple of times and I know Horowitz talks about this you know there is big grocery store chain in Europe and Germany called Aldi? Yeah ALDI sure do that was ALDE no its ALDI and their whole game is they have the stuff out in boxes they don't actually put on shelves

1:53:22 Yes, right. It's kind of like cheap way... in fact you have to give them that stuff in a certain kind of box so it fits into their system. Yeah okay they basically take pallets of all the boxes put them in areas and big warehouse and they call it a supermarket? yes! And they do quite well for themselves Actually, this is the coin of the wickedness. ALDS ALDI okay? Jeez you can take it from me broseph I grew up there yeah, I know but we all make mistakes And I made a mistake on the clip you fact check the title Yeah, you spell it. Yes belt yeah You spelled it wrong But I wouldn't have said hey I gotcha that's not that's not the worst offense in your anyway That's it he was got nothing to do with anything here's what has got to do with the punchline to this story today Oh story

1:54:16 Yeah. You can tell the difference by looking at the logo. North's logo is a basic blue and white, South's logo is orange and blue. It's the southern Aldi that's a bit fancier! And when it came time to expand to the rest of the world those countries were divided up too. Stores in areas like UK Ireland Australia are all Aldi Sud While you're shopping at Aldi Nord if you go into France or Poland there's only one country where Aldi Nord and Aldi Sud share pieces of grocery store pie

1:54:58 And that's in the US. You wouldn't know it though, and that's because Aldi Su does business as Aldi. Aldi Nord goes by a different name... Trader Joe's Oh yeah I did know that! Yes. Yeah you did? Yeah I knew-I knew there was two but I knew they owned Trader Joe's Interesting Yeah, it's a very... well Trader Joe's is a nicer version I think of Aldi. But yeah it makes total sense. It is very much their format. There was an original Trader Joe's they didn't start Trader Joe's. Trader Joe's started in the 50s by this guy Joe and he's Yeah, his name was Joe. And I think he sold to this Aldi group which is a holding company about 1979 so they've owned them for a long time but i was never under the impression that this was a German company Yes, I knew that for sure

1:55:54 But I knew somewhere about Trader Joe's, but I did not realize it was two different companies. So apparently the North owns Trader Joe's, Aldi Nort if I remember correctly from the clip. Well one of the two. Yeah yeah I don't like it there Did what Trader Joe's? No, I don't like it. There is one within walking distance and I'd rather get in my car. I won't go there. Trader Joe's most of the stuff is prepackaged which apparently Aldi specializes into yeah which is a lot of branded Aldi branded yeah I've never been to an Aldi store so I'm...I don't know but they talked about it

1:56:30 And Trader Joe's got a lot of branded food. This is Trader Joe's, this is Trader Joe's and they have a spiel... Great millennials love it because they've got a story behind every product. Yeah, every product. Yeah this was grandmother's secret recipe. It's always the story and stories sell to millennials so if you don't have a story, you can't sell to them. All the wine has pretty labels Well, the wine they do actually...they bring in wine from all over the place. Generally speaking you don't get any good wine there except stuff that you can get anywhere but the fruits and vegetables are what bother me because they have this like kind of crunchy style of everybody who goes there, they're all, ooh, Trader Joe's go to Trader Joe's. The fruits and vegetables are terrible! They haven't got anything good

1:57:18 It's not fresh. No, no they don't and it's all packaged good. It's just a bunch of apples are sold by the Apple I it's just very disappointing They have good cheese and which now makes more sense that is German owned so yeah cheese selections were good Yes anyway, I thought people didn't know that Yeah, well Trader Joe yes was but you know it would be out that kind of stuff I catch because um I still read The European News Before we... I was stunned by this. Oh, I can tell! I did all peace. I have a tech request for a dude's name Ben. Just because I wrote it down?

CHAPTER 30 / 41 Discussion

Image Conversion Script Request, Associate Producer Credits

Adam Curry requests a technical script from the "No Agenda" community to automate image resizing for the show's art generator. The hosts then read a list of Associate Executive Producers, including Ronald Williams and Ned Jeffrey. They perform a "de-douching" for Raymond McGowan and acknowledge several birthday shout-outs from the listener base.

automation· art generator· ronald williams· colin hanawale· raymond mcgowan· value-for-value

1:57:57 Okay, I need an image conversion script or something because it's a I'm trying to keep trying to whittle down the automation of the process here and the fun one Of the final things. I mean I got a lot of things really slick I Need to be able to take an image from the art generator And what is the format that it comes out in its standard format? It's 540 by 540. I think something like that And you know it's no, it's either. No, it's 520 520. Oh, no Cuz I chop it down to 256 Shoot, I don't remember what it is. Anyway you can download one and figure it out And so I need three versions then I need them renamed and I just want to be able to maybe someone bake it into the All I wanted just really here's the here's the image I want to drop this image somewhere It has to come back in a 256 256 and a 3000 by 3000 and it has to be renamed and they have to be JPEGs

1:58:56 And if you want to help, send me an email. I'd really appreciate it. Try... It's one of the last things- It would be cool if was actually built into the- Into the art generator! Yeah. But... Bonked does not have time for it. Nah, that's okay. Alright, we have a few people to thank and we'll thank them. Starting with Ronald Williams $143 He says 101 plus 42 you're invaluable karma please call out my boss Bill as a douchebag He says he needs to be reminded to donate because he quotes your show at work all the time What does he say? I don't know it's probably too well You know just takes some of our conclusions and uses them in conversation from said that you said yeah no

1:59:56 I did? No, no. That's what he was probably saying to his employees. You said yeah and no. We should do that or what is the other one? The fact of the matter! Yeah when you're watching TV with people and a fact of the matter comes out and people look at ya...you know your part of the group. Yes we have a number of them that are triggers They're big triggers at this point. They also remind you about the show, which is really good, right? Which is the idea but it triggers me I get triggered right right right right okay You know right I want you to be play at the end of the day Right at the end of the day if the fact that a matter is yeah What do you want me to play? I would like you to play not this second But before this shows over that guy again The right guy the right guy Oh the tech millennial

2:00:52 Yeah, right? Let's go on thanking people. Sir Christoph the Cantankerous12345 Greg Dial9999 Ned Jeffrey 8008 Boob He has a birthday call out for someone Colin Hanawale in Vashon Washington Thanks for making other podcasts seem like canned corned beef hash. Oh Hold on Let me just read what Ned said here Yeah, he said thank you for the birthday shout out for my new human resource exactly one month ago She had no name at the time but she does now a lira Aisling Jade Jeffrey nice. Okay?

2:01:38 I'm not sure what the connection to show is. No, but it doesn't matter he did. It's nice when you have a kid we said congratulations on the show back then oh and well he didn't she didn't have a name and now she has a name yeah no name at that time but she does know yeah Well, he mentioned it in the note. I guess he wanted us to say it Okay well you did. I'm not complaining. You're pausing! Move forward! Yeah because I'm looking at the structure of the sentences Colin Hanawale and Vashon Washington we got him but he's boob Raymond McGowan 8008 Morgan Hill California that's just down the street from us Thanks for the sanity He wants a de-douching which we have enough time to do You've been de-douched

2:02:29 Another birthday from Laura Wilson to Sammamish, Washington. $75 a little ritzy community there. From my bro-in-law Tim White from Lee's Summit Missouri we got him on the list Christopher Dechter 5678 his name is number Stephen Wolf in Kirkland Washington which is not the home of Costco, but they use that brand. They use the town's name for their brands. Joshua Brickner 5510 James Buell in Spring Hill Tennessee 5341 Sir Chuck Walters 5001 happy birthday call out he got that on the list or his mom and now we go to the $50 donations name and location all 50s Robert Newby in Murphysboro Tennessee does have a douche bag callout

2:03:22 Calling out anyone in Murphysboro that hasn't donated in the last three months as a douchebag. Our core of support for the show is getting soft, so pony up at least $50 for the value-for-value and get out and get our town! Ringing. Ringing through the donation segments again, yes we haven't heard from Murphysboro for a while and that would mean I suspect they should have a meet up down there we should go to it two of us. Okay! Jay Stallings parts unknown $50 very long note for some reason not sure what he's got in here you can take a look at it and tell me if you should go back to it Kathleen Leander

2:04:11 Robert Dreykosen, Oshkosh Wisconsin. Dame Patricia Worthington in Miami Florida. Brandon Savoie in Port Orchard Washington. Titus Chow in Houston Texas John Haller in Missoula Montana Trevor Hoagland in Portland Oregon Brandy with an I Kovash $50 and she says again a note that's kind of interesting have to expand it sorry Well, while you do that I'll go back for a second to Titus Chow. He says my sister-in-law is on her deathbed because of cancer she has only a few days remaining so we'll do an F Cancer at the end of the segment yes please hey Brandy says my brother turned me onto your show when i was suffering from an election stress disorder like that

2:05:01 It has saved me from the depths of fake news media. I now feel fully informed and smarter than most of my other 40-something mom friends when it comes to current events." Next time you look, it'll be 20 something mom friends and then there will be 10 something mom friends. Go easy! I look forward to Thursday and Sunday thanks to both of you. Go easy! Sheila Demodaran...Demoderan? Chris, Sir Chris Lewinsky. I think she's a dame. Yeah. Chris Lewinsky in Sherwood Park Alberta and that concludes our list shortlist very short list of donors well wishers and producers for show 973

CHAPTER 31 / 41 Discussion

Las Vegas Shooting Timeline, Security Guard Jesus Campos

New details emerge regarding the Las Vegas shooting timeline, specifically the 21:59 p.m. wounding of security guard Jesus Campos. A producer's source within the Metro Police claims Paddock was interrupted while trying to barricade his door, forcing him to start the attack early. The hosts discuss the lack of security footage from the hotel's upper floors.

las vegas· stephen paddock· jesus campos· mandalay bay· fbi· sheriff joseph lombardo

2:05:46 An unlucky number for us. But we do thank those who came in with support for the show and those under $50 a lot of people still find value in the subscriptions, and they're very good for us as well so thank you all very much another show coming up on Thursday. Devorak dot org slash N A. Cancer AND jobs! Jobs, jobs, jobs, and jobs let's vote for jobs You've got karma. And just four names on the list today. Jennifer Roediger says happy birthday to her son Jack, he celebrates on the 16th that'll be tomorrow. Ned Jeffrey we talked about him it is his birthday today Laura Wilson's happy birthday to a brother-in-law Tim White in Lee's Summit Missouri His birthday was yesterday and Sir Chuck Walters celebrates uh his mom's birthday today Carolyn Walters and we say happy birthday from everybody here at The Best Podcast in the Universe!

2:06:52 Then we've got no nights, no title changes. No nuttin', no checks! No cash, no credit card, no money! We have birthdays. We got birthdays and then did our birthdays... I have a- We'll have a night for sure the next show because we had one check that didn't get posted. I went through the last update from Sheriff Lombardo of Clark County and pulled a number of clips Okay, I only have two clips for this whole thing. Yeah why don't you do your stuff? I mean-I like analyzing what he's doing because the words he is using are extremely interesting from a no agenda perspective Good well let's play the rundown that i have on CBS' LV shootings it not all of the whole run down but its part of what was important. Lombardo also offered new insight into the changing timeline

2:07:45 At the time of 2159, Mr. Campos received his wounds in close proximity to 2205." At 9 59 p.m., hotel security guard Jesus Campos went to investigate an alarm on the 32nd floor but was likely not shot until closer to 10 0 5 p.m.. That's when he used his radio and his cell phone to report that he'd been shot Within seconds, Steven Paddock then turned his gunfire to concertgoers below his windows and the aviation fuel tanks about a hundred yards past the concert crowd. At 1017 p.m., police arrived outside his room 12 minutes after the shooting began Campos has not shared his story with the media but his union released these pictures of him getting an award for his bravery in the massacre

2:08:34 New court documents show that during an FBI raid, agents did look for medications, explosives guns and concert tickets when they went to Paddock's Mesquite home. Did they find any of them? They're gonna steal the concert tickets what are they- what is that about I don't know There are stories being built around this very carefully And then I think we can kind of hear that verbatim in in the Lombardo stuff that I've got But man, it's... Well can I read from Greg W. who doesn't want some of this stuff read but I can read it? Yes! He is a producer you mean Yeah he's one of our producers

2:09:22 Been a listener for awhile. He says, first of all the screw up in the timeline is specifically the security guard story boils down to a simple mistake by one of the officers interviewing the security guard on the scene who wrote down the wrong time of the incident in his report. Now hold on we should say that our producer gets this from his buddy who's at Metro. He's in the police department? Yeah Yes exactly It was not reported anywhere as far as I know is that the security guard apparently was checking up on loud hammering noises. Right here, is where we need the Lawrence O'Donnell clip. Stop the hammering! Oh man oh wow damn...I only have this version. Why don't I have a sound?

2:10:11 We gotta put some isos up for it because the hammering is just too precious to believe. Anyway, loud hammering noises not gunshots coming from the suite Paddock was staying in. According to my source Paddock was trying to reinforce an entrance door to the suite and one of the bedrooms inside the suite in order to barricade himself inside and the security guard interrupted him at which point he shot him and started executing the plan early before he could finish the main entrance door any knew there would be more security cops coming because he knew they were

2:10:51 to be more. There's still a lot of details missing, there is still a lot of evidence being examined like you mentioned several times already. Forensic science is not like what we see on television but what is known already that the shooter was planning to cause a lot more damage and the only reason he didn't was mainly just luck in fact it probably just a rookie when it comes to guns and explosives something his brother keeps claiming. Paddock made us small cut out one of the windows gun set up and aimed at the fuel or gas tanks that were right next to the concert. And his first shots, right after the security guy interrupted him where at the tank with a goal of blowing it up and causing instant panic and then shooting it people in the street closer to the hotel as they could be running away from the explosion but the tanks never exploded so he had to improvise this from the police by the way as you've mentioned yeah yeah they improvised started shooting at an area in the concert but the process broke

2:11:46 The window, apparently it was just a hole in the window and he fucked it up. And he also moved to the other window suite where you had a little better view of the crowd and started shooting from the window but as he did they gusts of wind between the two bedrooms were blowing up second window caused the reinforced door he created locking him in the room closed the door on him with the wind which is a couple of, this is the way they analyzed it. With just a couple of guns and only a small portion of the ammo he had because he got blocked out away from bunch of the guns okay so this why didn't use all the ammo and guns he'd seen even this makes some sense anyway goes on says the reason for the delay in the

2:12:38 The police took so long to get him. You have to remember that at the time nobody knew how many active shooters there were, because it's a typical tactic for police is to clear each floor of the hotel one by one until they get to the top instead of rushing straight to the 32nd floor. That would take some time. I'd like to add a comment about security footage from the hotel which apparently a lot of which is missing Well, it is true there's tons of security cameras in those hotels. The primary focus is only on the casino itself trying to catch cheaters and the main entrances upper floors are secondary systems and the hotels are not paying nowhere near as much attention I would believe that Yeah, I believe it too Now you can tell from visiting these casinos they're starting to degrade more and more I mean for that kind of coverage You want to go to Airbnb? I mean just wanna stay at a hotel I got it! Yo

2:13:29 Well, this doesn't really debunk the- there was a story about Airbnb guy putting it. John, the day that we start explaining each other's jokes we really need to just stop the show. Well, we gotta explain the joke to people they said these are like references that are ridiculous come on everybody knows very obscure everybody knows that story. Sorry for the long note he says as he finishes up he says this information is valuable also in the last night I personally know one of the ER doctors at one of the hospitals close to The Strip working during the shooting and he told me that least 80%-90% percent of their wounded people from that concert that he is seen where in fact gunshot wounds, in case anyone out there believes that the info wars was saying and there's no evidence of any victims of gunshots. Thank you for the great service you provide." Right okay so it's good that you read that I have course read that because I was like wow that's so long I shouldn't read that but its actually good in context

CHAPTER 32 / 41 Discussion

Sheriff Lombardo's "Narrative" Language, FBI Oversight

Sheriff Joseph Lombardo's use of the word "narrative" during press briefings is scrutinized by the hosts as unusual for law enforcement. They note the presence of FBI Special Agent in Charge Aaron Rouse, suggesting the federal government has taken control of the investigation. Lombardo also addressed the shooter's failed attempt to ignite aviation fuel tanks at McCarran Airport.

joseph lombardo· fbi· aaron rouse· las vegas· aviation fuel· narrative

2:14:23 And I think the next time he talks to his neighbor or buddy, whatever it is. He'll probably have some updates to the story and this requires a little bit of context the way Sheriff Lombardo does these updates to the press Right to the side of him, and he's always on camera although I don't think he realizes it is a special agent in charge now. He's Special Agent in Charge SAIC Aaron Roos from FBI and he also has little statement but his kind of unimportant But while the chief is reading what he calls The Narrative which is really what caught my ear And I really started listening to what he's saying because I need to read this narrative to you

2:15:10 Now, typically in today's usage of the word it has more of a negative connotation. Narrative is something that is a general conglomeration of talking points to explain something But typically, you say I have some facts for you. This is what law enforcement...what do I expect from law enforcement? I don't expect them to talk about I have a narrative for you." I agree. I do not expect law enforcement to be using the word narrative. It's odd. If there was some sort of police talk and we know what it sounds like that makes more sense. Yeah, I've not heard it.

2:15:51 So, and then while he... each time he really reads a what he calls a narrative. And I think it's two or three times in these clips that have Then you see the special agent in charge bobbing his head His body language is all about mhmm That's exactly right Yeah He's always confirming He's almost patronly And that is because from what everything I've heard, and it's kind of confirmed these clips. The investigation is now under supervisory... It's an FBI investigation now. It's federal but they're letting this guy give them-and I think he's telegraphing and doesn't even know what the poor sheriff is just a dude! So let's start with his narrative about the death toll. In a couple of these items I will read

2:16:38 From the narrative? From the narrative. It's even better than I thought, I will read this from the narrative! Well, I guess that's the playbook or...I mean, I hate to sound conspiratorial but it's odd. Because I don't want my comments to be construed or changed? That would be misconstrued wouldn't it? Yes. I don't want my comments construed. I like it there just comments to be construed. Please! Let me see if there is actually a definition for that. Go on. Construed or changed So I wanted to ensure the accuracy of that. But most of this conference will be done strictly through my narrative provided to you, okay? First and foremost, I wanna give you an update on the injuries. This has been a big deal on my mind as it is been in public. And I think it's important for you to be given an accurate picture what is occurring associated with the injuries of the one October event. There was no integrity question so shady with that.

2:17:37 as I've experienced through the cyberspace. Now this is another part of the problem i have again and you'll hear it throughout these clips defending himself and the relationship with the FBI, that we're not covering up for each other who... For them continuously to do this is also not standard. Questioning my integrity 58 is still the number of individuals that have died Now, this is an important piece. Forty-five individuals are still hospitalized some of those are in critical condition so 58 may raise by the grace of God it doesn't and we shall continue to move forward the medical profession will provide all the medical care necessary but sometimes it's

2:18:33 people meet their demise outside of our control. Another very weird statement, the medical profession will take care of everything but sometimes people meet their demise outside of our control I know i'm really drilling down into it but this guy is almost an open book for a linguist okay let me throw a little thing in here and i'm not sure what i'm going to say is accurate But it's an interpretation possibility because a lot of, and here is what I'm going to say. A lot of sheriffs are elected they're not from law enforcement they're elected officials that get voted on and some of them are just boneheads that get voted in because everybody likes them so the guy could be just an idiot. Could be who's being controlled? That's what it sounds like to me well he's being told what to do at this point because he doesn't know what to do he said he's a guy that got voted to be sheriff got it

2:19:26 Okay, that's a good point and good context. ...buy all the medical care necessary but sometimes it's... people meet their demise outside of our control so I'm hoping that number does not raise todays numbers 58 he certainly has a high school education hope the number doesn't raise don't raise the roof It'll raise but it will go up we're gonna raise the roof y'all okay now the fuel tanks another narrative The fuel tanks I'm going to read this narrative so my words do not get changed. I mean, come on! But i want to provide you some information in reference the fuel tanks it is believed the fuel tanks were fired upon with intent mccarran's leaders have safety protocols in place which they re-examine following any safety related incident The leaders have already contacted experts

2:20:24 fuel storage out of the abundance of caution. I am more than confident that they will immediately implement any changes or security augmentations if they are so advised, as I have been advised there is a very low probability that aviation fuel could be ignited by gunfire and the tanks are outfitted for continual release of vapors. So that is the situation of the fuel tanks Any future information that needs to be provided, reference that will be provided by the public information office out of McCarran Airport.

CHAPTER 34 / 41 Discussion

Las Vegas Conspiracy Denials, Rifle "Cooking Off"

Sheriff Lombardo explicitly denied any conspiracy between the FBI, local police, and MGM Resorts. In a technical aside, the hosts discuss the phenomenon of "cooking off," where a rifle becomes so hot from rapid fire that rounds ignite spontaneously in the chamber. They suggest this might explain some of the audio recorded during the Las Vegas massacre.

joseph lombardo· mgm· fbi· bump stock· semi-automatic· cooking off

2:26:07 between LVMPD and the MGM. Nobody is attempting to hide anything, reference this investigation. The dynamics and the size of this investigation requires us to go through voluminous amounts of information in order to draw an accurate picture. My attempt like I stated earlier is to give you information as I know it unverified to calm the public not to establish a legal case. Everybody understand that? No questions, sir. Did you hear that at the end? Everyone understand that? The public not to establish a legal case. Everybody understand that? No questions, sir. No questions. All right, we're almost done. Okay but before I go on I will mention he is elected

2:26:56 He's kind of a cop, I guess he got elected to be sheriff or they don't really have any background on the wiki page. Just got elected as sheriff and during an election. And just to make it even more funny if you want to call this funny...he's a Republican. Oh yes! So he is like a dumb Republican. Groovy! Well no wonder they put him front-and-center that's great. And he just reads the narrative that's very good one let's do one more narrative This is this is new and I'm surprised we didn't hear from our producers neighbor. So before we close out today, I want to provide you another written narrative. I want to read verbatim Yeah Please do so your words don't get too misconstrued or construed or construed in other words bring a better light to what's occurred

2:27:40 In other words, listen up. So the first narrative in the immediate aftermath of the shooting, Sergeant Garrett Everett arrived at Reno and Haven and saw the need for medical triage area. For our sergeant ever another LVMP officers along with the off duty nurses paramedics and firefighters triage at least 50 gunshot victims

2:28:17 They ran out of tourniquets and began using anything they could find to stop the bleeding, to include their own hobble devices they use during normal course. Of their duties these officers calmly took care of the wounded in a dying as they waited for medical transport at times placing the critical victims on the backs so they get them to the hospital quickly. Not all the victims made it out as the night wore on, those same officers were assigned to guard the deceased victims not allowing any of them to be left alone." He started shooting at them? I don't know if this guy could hit anything from that distance from the sounds of it Do you know...

2:29:02 Well, here it is. This is the one that I... You're using that little device, that shoulder thing that makes you think… It's just going to scatter shots. You know what I also found out about semi-automatic as well? Certainly if use a bump stock or if you use full automatic like an M16 there's something called cooking off. Have you ever heard of this? And this may have happened to the shooter, the suspect. The guy whose brain was on the carpet... If you shoot 20-30 rounds The way these things function is that unless the magazine's empty, a new round comes into the chamber. And it's so hot that if you just put it on the ground and fill up... Put in a new mag in, it can start shooting by itself. It'll shoot and then it might... It could shoot up to two or three rounds just by itself without pulling the trigger because it's just so hot the shell goes off

CHAPTER 36 / 41 Discussion

Cuban Embassy Sonic Attack, Richter Scale Error

The Associated Press released a recording of the high-pitched sound allegedly used in "sonic attacks" against US diplomats in Cuba. The hosts play the audio and joke about its effects on the audience. They also mock an ESPN advertisement that incorrectly described a stadium's vibration as registering "two miles away on the Richter scale."

cuba· sonic attack· associated press· richter scale· espn· football

2:36:30 Yeah, that's pretty fishy. No the fishy one for me the fishiest thing this week is the Associated Press who come up with this and say oh yeah This is it! Yeah That makes me sick claiming This is a recording of the sound that made our US diplomats ill in the Cuban Embassy and living quarters around their private living quarters What you just played? You should play through the whole show. Now, I want to tell you that i'm just looking at the chat room and people said it really hurt them. Wow! I think they're just giving you crap. Let's try it again. We'll see if it works. Pretty good speakers? I don't get anything that seems bad... I'll see if that worked

2:37:35 Huge donations next show. Or everyone's dead We need to have a rolling transcript of the chat room along with the show sometimes that's funny All right, you guys sorry didn't mean to kill ya all right there. They're all MK ultra triggered apparently So I've got a, we're off the topic. I hope yes way off of it. I guy was there's an ad for ESPN ad for football or something and I just found the copy of the end. I didn't have the whole thing. This is the ad with bad info this uh, the copy that whoever wrote this ad and there was always overproduced so it had to have somebody that came along and said Hey, Hey,

2:38:24 What are you doing here? This is not what this is. Play us out! You feel that, feel the ground moving beneath your feet It's because the ground is moving beneath your feet. You're in a real earthquake, one that registers two miles away on the Richter scale and the administration tried to stop it once they were worried it would break the stadium What about the Richter scale? It-it's apparently a distance scale now 200 miles beneath the Richter scale No 2-2 miles away on the Richter scale Oh god And what was this for? What product it was, she was for a football game because in certain stadiums people jump up and down. It's like being in an earthquake well two miles away on the Richter scale is like that's a head shaker make any sense under any deconstruction I'd like it a lot that's great but guys watch football oh yeah to my on the Richter scale everybody

CHAPTER 37 / 41 Discussion

Dow Jones Fake News Glitch, AI Trading Skepticism

A technical error at Dow Jones Newswire resulted in fake headlines claiming Google was acquiring Apple for $9 billion. Trading algorithms (algos) briefly spiked Apple's stock by $2 before the error was corrected. The hosts use the incident to criticize the "arrogance" of Silicon Valley's reliance on AI and machine learning in financial markets.

dow jones· google· apple· cnbc· algorithms· artificial intelligence· stock market

2:39:29 The Algo-Go. Yeah, here's my algo story of the week you may have caught what happened I thought it was fun one of our producers did a lot of work to get this off his DVR and is a little over modulated as a result but that's nothing it's his fault discussion on CNBC about Dow Jones Newswire put out a fake news story an actual fake news story that Google was buying Apple and they were I think getting nine Apple shares or you know for one Google share And it was I it was and This is dudes name Ben. You know they put in test data There's only thing there's some stock which is like XYXY X Y Z and the end you and it actually trades But it's a test stock

2:40:15 So you can't really buy anything, but you can it looks as if it's trading because that's the data is coming through And this created a little problem with the algos. I was followed up with more wires that read Google says yay Google gets nine Apple shares for each Google share to close to take over Takeover Apple's headquarters. Dow Jones apologized saying that the wires were sent out in a technical error. That doesn't make sense though, does it? Unless somebody was practicing with something on the news feed so they came up with the most ridiculous... I mean having worked at Dow Jones and seeing how those sausage gets made sometimes when you're playing with some of these prototypes you come up with ridiculous headlines thinking it will never happen. We used to do things like this, like Microsoft takes over

2:40:57 Right, right. In the old days when we were trying to put web stuff together but I don't know how this... Well it's the same thing when we started WSJ.com you're playing around with some of these things assuming that no one will ever see them and occasionally get a little goofy where you should be. But I would believe if I saw Amazon takes over the world If Amazon takes over? That was the headline? Would you know that that is not true? Is Yale going to close tomorrow then what? I would still want to check to see whether it was true or not. Google says yay, that headline might give it away. You know there's AI that now apparently...I was talking about a trader There is an AI that listens to our show they take it and people try to trade off of it

2:41:35 Alexa stop doing that. So yeah, so just watch this scary because it's a world I like the story because it proves once again how AI and machine learning is such a big bag of crap Because here are a couple of people and by the way, the algos did kick in and they traded Apple stock up $2 for about 10 minutes. And two dollars in the apple stock is you know that's like whoa hey what was going on over there? That was a big jump! And it went back down once everyone figured out it was a fake story but

2:42:19 these people are great algos by themselves. They look at that headline, they see the nuance of oh you know Google says yay well that's gotta be bull crap yeah your brain is so incredibly good it's got all this knowledge all these things stored away and then somehow arrogance Silicon Valley has made the sheeple believe that they can do all this groovy stuff with algorithms when you can't! The algos are dumb. They respond to math and just not everything is mathematical It's just stupid. I'm glad you got that off your chest. Yeah, but the algos are my thing and everyone is talking about the oh the algos yeah... You should see the hype of AI companies Oh My Goodness

2:43:03 Yeah, it's just dumb. Make a list of them and track them and then we'll take a look at the list to see which ones will be the perfect shorts for the crash. That's an easy list all of them they're all perfect shorts! I don't even know what stocks you're talking about oh no there are six i think that's six of them that are You know, and they get one little piece of news like oh well we've uh... We've completed almost like pharmaceutical. Like biotech you know? Yeah we've completed our trial with our augmented reality machine learning hoop-a-dee-poop Goldberg machine and bah! We're good boom! Stock rockets! That's great. Yeah they are all doomed. Totally it just is not gonna happen I'm very bearish on AI yeah i think we got that impression Well its tech news Sunday

CHAPTER 38 / 41 Discussion

Boy Scouts Accept Girls, Girl Scouts Backlash

The Boy Scouts of America announced they will begin accepting girls into their programs, a move the hosts view as the "de-masculinization" of American males. The New York Times published an article suggesting boys should similarly join the Girl Scouts. The hosts wonder if former Boy Scout President Rex Tillerson has commented on the policy change.

boy scouts of america· girl scouts· rex tillerson· gender neutrality· new york times

2:43:54 So we do have the Boy Scouts story, might as well play that. Yeah I read that in the newsletter. The Boy Scouts have announced they plan to accept girls into the program beginning next year this comes after the boy scouts first ended its ban on openly gay boy scouts and then transgender scouts. They're gonna have It's eventually going to be the boy and girl scouts are going to merge at some point. They have to, because we can't have these separate things anymore. So like the Boys & Girls Club for years I was wondering who the hell is the Boys & Girls Club? And then I realized it was The Boys' Club which when I was a kid it was called The Boys' Club and it was you know after school activity thing center for

2:44:35 Boys to say get burnt off steam and then the girls bitched about it. And next thing you know, it's a boys and girls club Right this was gonna happen here But the more interesting thing was what happened in New York Times they ran a story about how beneficial It would be two boys to join the Girl Scouts I was just looking at that going, oh there you go. There's our demasculization of male species in the United States You know the de-balling of the American man and it's not just contained to the United States Now did Tillerson quit The Boy Scouts because I'm surprised Amy didn't mention that in her story, you know Trump being a moron and all Oh Yeah, yeah, I'm surprised too. Yeah, didn't he?

2:45:21 Did he quit? I don't know. He's not still a Boy Scout if that is what you are wondering about. No, he was the president of the Boy Scouts of America! I think he retired from that years ago... Maybe he is an emeritus or something and Gouston is on the board. Could be. We could look it up. Nah screw it we really don't care. I think that's good. I'm good, but I got other stuff. Do one more fun thing just to get us out? Well the one fun thing is kind of you know there are earthquakes in Holland

CHAPTER 39 / 41 Discussion

General John Kelly Press Briefing, Facebook Food Photos

White House Chief of Staff John Kelly addressed the press, stating his job is to control the flow of information, not the President's personality or tweets. A tangent follows regarding a reported decline in millennials posting food photos on Facebook due to political stress. The hosts also mention a "Women Don't Go On Twitter Day" protest.

john kelly· donald trump· twitter· facebook· millennials· women don't go on twitter day

2:46:01 But I'm going to skip that. Let's listen to General Kelly, he apparently went in front of the audience and said look I'm not quitting this bull crap. Yeah he did it right in front of the White House press corps. He talked about how he wasn't gonna quit, he was bull crap and then gave a long spiel about what he is supposed to do or not doing one of things he says Trump's tweets? What am I supposed to do about it?" As far as the tweets go, you all know. You write that I've been a failure at controlling the president or a failure in controlling his tweeting and all that. Again, I was not sent in or brought into this job to control anything but the flow of information to our President so he can make the best decisions

2:46:49 I have found that Mr. Trump, from the day I met him is not a lot and he's a decisive guy He is very thoughtful man, I should say He takes information in from every avenue he can receive it I restrict no one by the way from going to see him But when we go into seeing now rather than onesies and twosies We go in and help him collectively understand what what he needs to understand to make these vital decisions. So again, I was not sent into or brought in to control him and you should not measure my effectiveness as a chief of staff by what you think i should be doing but simply the fact is that I can guarantee to you that he's now presented with options well thought out options those options are discussed in detail with his team

2:47:43 And then he comes up with it, with the right decision. I kind of get this visual of Kelly with a bowl of ice cream. Come on! Come on now you can...I want your attention. Hold on a second hold on let's do this We know he's kinetic. He's kinetic. It's all the military intelligence who work in him to make sure he does the right thing so we can get this wars going Yeah, I don't think they care about the tweets either. I mean...I don't! You know? I don't think it's important people taking them- I don't either! Actually, I follow him but he tweets at some weird hour So i never see his tweets No, you only see his tweets. He's buried in the stream somewhere But is like a people tweet about their food or whatever and he tweets about bullcrap that he's interested in

2:48:24 Which reminds me, which is crazy but it's about I find it entertaining. This came up in the conversation that we did with the millennials and Mimi and everyone uh-huh she says and they was backed up by when that people are so upset these these face baggers there's like so upset about where the world's going because you know Trump That they stopped taking pictures of their food What? Was this a... And everyone agreed, oh yeah there's a lot less pictures of food on Facebook than there used to be. Did you know that Friday apparently was Women Don't Go On Twitter Day? No I didn't know that. Yeah! Was it some Harvey Weinstein initiative? Let me see don't go- I think it was Twitter maybe it was all social networks Tina was reading it too and like did you know no very poorly done

2:49:18 Let me see... This Friday- No, that's not it. No I don't see anything now hmm Now I thought it was a big deal Hmm does anyone know about this? Hello! Does anyone know about this?! Well no okay Anyway the solution by the way to the Boy Scouts and Girl Scouts is just call up the scouts And be done with it And then you can always have boys and girls internally if they want to mix and match or whatever That's fine

CHAPTER 40 / 41 Discussion

4chan and Google Search Misinformation, Facebook Safety Check

A tech analyst explains how Google and Facebook algorithms promoted misinformation following the Las Vegas shooting. Search results briefly directed users to 4chan threads misidentifying the shooter, while Facebook's "Safety Check" feature pulled in hyper-partisan news stories. The hosts discuss the role of internet trolls in spreading hoaxes during breaking news events.

4chan· google· facebook· safety check· fake news· las vegas

2:49:55 As well, there are two organizations and they're... I don't know how they can get them to merge. They're gonna have to. It's old-fashioned. They can just get together it'll be fine as promised and has requested Last clip is of the tech millennial explaining fake news, right? During breaking news the likes of which we've been fast forwarding. The fake post circulates Vegas shooting Misidentify and how does that happen how do stories like that How did they rise to the surface Oh sure what are the fake news as I said about victims They were incorrect and there were two cases that I think are kind of worth highlighting in this context So in one case so we had Google right um

2:50:40 people going to Google and searching for information about possible sort of identities of the shooter. And there was one name that had emerged early on that people had believed might have been responsible, so they were going to Google, they were searching for this name and instead of coming up with a link to CBC or CNN or NBC, some sort of reputable news site. They were being sent to a essentially dark forum on the internet where hoaxes and misinformation is often spread. A place called 4chan where people were discussing the identity of one of the believed names who later proved not be the shooter and that was one example there. And then Facebook has a feature called safety check right? People go to safety check

2:51:28 And often in times of disasters and other sorts of events. And alongside safety check, they show news stories right? News stories that are supposed to provide context about what's happening and in this case Facebook was also pulling in misinformation, pulling in sort of hyper-partisan news stories, pulling in far right sort of news sources Also things that were misidentifying victims on the shooter and things like that So this was coming from trolls either propaganda reasons either pulling pranks, whatever. Their false information was popping up right at the top of these screens. Facebook and Google... I think there was another clip that had him with more right to what? Yeah you have to dig it up and ISO it yeah is better the other one where he throws in the middle of a sentence Right wrong right yeah exactly good enough You get the idea all right thanks to let's see Leo Lapuke thanks to Brian Longenecker

CHAPTER 41 / 41 Discussion

Show Outro, "My Bad" Cultural Appropriation

The hosts conclude the episode with a discussion on the phrase "my bad," which Dvorak claims is cultural appropriation from urban pickup basketball. They sign off with their traditional "adios mofos" as a chaotic soundboard montage featuring "Stop the hammering!" plays. The episode ends with a final mention of the MLB divisional playoffs.

adam curry· john c. dvorak· baseball· cultural appropriation· my bad· stop the hammering

2:52:27 and UK PMX for the end of show mixes that we'll be playing today, for your entertainment pleasure. And is there a game I need to watch? Who's playing some World Series? No they're in their divisional playoffs right now so you're gonna have to wait for these games to be over. But I would say, all these baseball games right now the two series that are out there they're very entertaining! I would watch them. Okay thanks no less than a second ago. Yeah you don't know anything never mind forget it Coming to you from downtown Austin Texas here in the common law condo in the 5x9 Cluedio

2:53:13 In the capital of the drone star states in the morning everybody my name is Adam Curry And from northern Silicon Valley where it's actually very nice out There's no signs of this forest fires which are forced and urban fires, which are still going on I don't know how long this is gonna last but hopefully It'll be over soon. I'm John C. DeVore. We return on Thursday right here on NOAA agenda until then as always adios mofos I'm full of worms, man. Full of worms, man! Oh wow... Well you did live in Africa. I forgot. I'm full of worms, man. I'm gonna hurl, man. Hurl, man. Get some worm work. Go to the veterinarian. I'm full of worms, man. Ah it's disgusting

2:54:08 I'm gonna hurl, man. I'm full of worms, man! You don't likey? No agenda show now with more forms, man. I'm full of worms, man. Go to your doctor and say hey, I got worms and after the doctor stops laughing... He'll give you something in a little puppy. You poop him out. Worm's just twitching i-in my head. In my head. In my head. I'm thoroughly grossed out. I'm pretty good because it got really noisy. It's extremely great music, but... I make a job. 3 2 1. My bad! Yeah, yeah, no, no, this is me. Hey hey hey, yours? Wait a minute. Yes yes!

2:55:45 Where does it come from? You called me out on it once, once and one time only. And I have never said it since When did it start? It originates in pick-up basketball as a phrase used by young urban players when admitting to an error Now widely used to mean something like... I admit that I have made a mistake My bad! My bad! Cultural appropriation is ransom Guess what it is Good street argot picked up by the whitey When they say that, you know it's cultural appropriation from urban pickup basketball. So you really should be ashamed of yourself." It's a glib way of saying I made a mistake so what?

2:56:30 Why don't I have sound? Alright, it's back. What's going on why am i losing this there's insanity in the control room tonight someone's pressing buttons someone in that control room is out of control where's the hammer Stop the hammering! Someone's pressing buttons. Stop the hammering! Stop the hammering out there. Where's the hammer? Someone is pressing buttons, turning my sound on. Why don't I have sound? All right it's back! Where's the hammer?! Stop the hammering!

2:57:42 Stop the hammering! Someone's pressing buttons. Stop the hammering! Stop the hammering out there. Where is the hammer? The hammer... Stop the hammering! Someone is pressing buttons. Stop the hammering! Stop the hammering out there Where's the hammer? Why am I have sound? Alright, it's back. What's going on? Why am i losing this? There is insanity in the control room Someone's pressing buttons here! Someone in that control room is out of control Stop the hammering out there!