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00:00 We just published a dossier! All that is golden, showering the internet with deconstruction and broadcasting live from the darkest corners of the internet here in Austin Tejas, FEMA Region 6 AM in the morning everybody. I'm Adam Curry And from Northern Silicon Valley without all the puns...I am John C. DeVore It's Crackpot & Buzzkill In The Morning! Figured i'd get them out of the way right at the top just so we're done yeah We're done with it yes You think? Yeah Of course

00:41 Yeah, it's been quite an interesting couple of days. Oh! Speaking of the opening of the show I would like you to know that I feel...I miss Plato. Plato says. You do? Yes and I feel you might want to reconsider bringing him back because London University students are demanding Plato be dropped from courses because they're old white guys Plato and who else? Someone else. But Plato for sure. Probably all of them, Aristophe... Descartes. Aristotle... Descartes! Socrates he's gotta go. And this is apparently not a joke. I know this is a worldwide phenomenon that it's happening here too really yeah oh yeah definitely definitely definitely well

01:40 I'm not quite sure where to start because pretty much what happened in the past few days is the mainstream media fell apart, completely melted down and everybody knows it. It's really fantastic! The credibility is... yeah, I mean, at least-it won't last more than a week but for now I think it's kind of low Well, hopefully people listen to the whole show because later in the show I'll show some stuff that's it ended up covering up But it's been the distraction of the week. Yes Oh, there was tons of stuff that was covering up. I told you all kinds. Oh yeah There's great stuff so while everyone is like oh, I can't wait to hear the show on Thursday It's okay

02:23 Should we just start? Let's take a look. What do you think? Well, first of all if we do it alphabetically, chronologically, we should start with Obama's Good. Yes is goodbye speech now did you catch any of it? Yes, I caught the whole thing okay And I actually have a small clip oh nice not that small but it's to go bomb a goodbye now What I what I heard I'm sorry to interrupt well while I was doing stuff and I found out that listening to CNN Is so much better than and then watching it and I put it on the Sonos It's kind of this kind of nice

02:59 I don't know why but it's much worse, much better than watching. And what was my point about that? I don't know maybe hearing Obama is... Oh yes yeah exactly! I heard him say change a lot we had a lot of change tons of change The one thing that was bothersome to me is that I was watching on CBS but it was on everything and There was some ruckus going on. Got a lot of early part of the speech and it was being interrupted Nobody would put the cameras out to see what it was said They eventually put the camera out there for a few seconds It said and there's a guy holding up a sign people grabbing at him He standing up in like on top of a chair or something grabbing at him trying to pull them down Yeah, and his design said pardon us now Huh? And he's yelling something hard and who art

03:48 Well, thank you CBS and the rest of the news media for not letting us know. I had no idea what this was all about there is word that Obama may pardon Chelsea Manning. Yes. You think that's gonna happen? No. I don't either why they think that I would be stunned if he did. I would actually have better feelings toward Obama if he did that, but Trump won't do it. These are all just part of the machine no matter what we like to believe. All right so you have a clip? Now the clip...I want to say a couple things before we do this. The speech was terrible. It was an amalgam of 2008 speech and his 2012 speech and people had shown some evidence of that

04:44 using some of the same phraseologies and gimmicks. And this is the part of his speech I thought was the nut, this was the part that had what he wanted to say in it and it was to me weak in more than a few days, in a few ways but here...and also he uses an interesting word Which when I looked it up, was kind of made the whole speech his whole laundry list of complaints redundant because it kind of encompasses all the stuff he says but play. We must guard against a weakening of the values that make us who we are. Make us who we are! And thats why for the past 8 years

05:25 I've worked to put the fight against terrorism on a firmer legal footing. That's why we ended torture, worked to close Gitmo, reformed our laws governing surveillance to protect privacy and civil liberties. That's why i reject discrimination against Muslim Americans I like that. I works to close Gitmo, that's pretty good. And the other one was this is why I reject discrimination What what is it? This is why I reject discrimination What?! What is why let's go back a little bit. This is really good stuff Well, this is the best part of them. Yeah Yes

06:27 This is actually if you could have recorded a sound the sound that face bag makes when he did this speech it would have sounded A bit like this. The face bags were oh I'm going to miss him so much Yeah, the face bags also according to Mimi there's we have a friend that I adore. I'm not gonna mention her name She's all she does is she every day? She's posting over and over again. I'm still crying. Yes, don't cry I had a nice chat with Mimi which may come up later in the show yes well hopefully it will probably will let's continue That's why we cannot withdraw from

07:16 Big global fights? Big, big. To expand democracy and human rights and women's rights and LGBT rights no matter how imperfect our efforts No matter how expedient ignoring such values may seem That's part of defending America. Uh-huh. The fight against extremism and intolerance, sectarianism and chauvinism are of a piece with the fight against authoritarianism. Lotsa isms! He's an ism master today. Now let's stop right here and go to the Book of Knowledge and look up at the definition

08:06 Chauvinism? Pretty much everything he said in there. Sectarianism, xenophobia...everything that is It's a laundry list of chauvinism is a very interesting word people only use it as male chauvinist pig Interesting exaggerated or aggressive Patriotism is the first one and the second one is excessive or prejudiced loyalty or support for one's own cause group or gender Oh, hello. Which is Obama? Yeah! Well it's Obama and Trump and Clinton... And Hitler! Everybody! Hitler was a chauvinist. Wow that's pretty good let's listen to some more. A nationalist aggression. Nationalist aggression?!

08:52 Yeah, yeah he's against nationalist aggression. This is by the way if you backed it up and started over and thought this is a promotion of the New World Order one world government this is the speech you'd give Seriously. And meanwhile, by the way right after this clip I've got another clip because he's saying well you know there is aggressive nationalism and then there is a clip that follows this which is the... let me figure out which one it is It's the clip that was done on NBC and its about

09:31 Our troops we have a bunch of people were running around. Can I just try something? Can't you just try something for a minute Yeah, let me see and we just go back to the beginning with this clip We must guard against a weakening of the values that make us who we are I think you should. This is a really good speech. The clip that follows this is NATO saber rattling because he talks about nationalist aggression

10:08 But I guess it's okay for NATO to be on our watch with... No, no. It is a defensive organization! What speaketh you of? NATO is a defensive organization Oh who are they defending when they were bombing Libya The Libyan people against the dictator Oh okay Land grab that had staged in Crimea When Russian forces invaded what had been part of Ukraine and seized it for the Kremlin America's response was to beef up both its own force in Europe and its support of NATO. Though President-elect Donald Trump, who is called NATO obsolete says he now wants to pursue good relations with Russia. Major General Timothy McGuire... How quickly could the new president as a gesture of goodwill for Russia turn this whole thing around and pull you all out again?

10:57 I'm not going to speculate on what the incoming president may or may not do, but i will tell you this is in the interest of the United States Army. To build readiness." Meanwhile Vladimir Putin has already implied that European build up is pointless. It's stupid and unrealistic he said to think Russia would attack anyone But for the US and its NATO allies, extra deterrence never hurts. Right! That's right! But that deterrence comes at a price Scott and a hefty one last year the bill to the U.S for bolstering European defense came to 3.4 billion dollars Liz Palmer for us tonight Liz thank you

11:40 Yeah, and it's throwing away 3.4 billion dollars just doing these exercises And we have to haul you know what you can't imagine What does it cost us shit? We shipped all the way to like you know Estonia whole crap load of tanks Tanks what is a cost to ship a tank and then ship it back He has a lot him in the south of the Netherlands as well people are talking about that a lot of tanks Those things are expensive to ship. They're expensive to build and the mileage, the gas mileage of this ship... The gas mileage is horrible on those things. And the gas mileage sucks too. All right was there anything else? That was Obama's speech. Well as I said it was-I got a lot of the face bag feed if i'm going to miss him that was the main thing i'm gonna miss him so much and at first I didn't get it people just posting without posting us a link or a story I thought someone had died

12:34 It was in the MTV group, you know. The MTV alumni. I'm like, but what happened? He's all gonna miss him missing missing But there was no rip so I'm like hmm No love and light hmm what's going on and then I'd say okay they're all watching Obama now I get it Can't believe anybody watched that speech It was, you know he had all the right elements. He had the big echo, the big boomy sound... No it wasn't done well in fact I'm pretty sure that the big boomy sound he should have had was not the one that was in play and glad you mentioned that because I've given speeches with the right sound set ups and normal ones

13:12 And the right sound setup, just for people out there who ever give a speech if you can find any sound engineer that knows what he's doing he'll set this up for ya like this. The sound setup is that they space the speakers out into this large audience and every one of the speakers is on a certain delay that coincides with the speed of sound 600 miles an hour or so. And they run it through a computer and your voice as if you were yelling from one spot When you hear your voice in the back of the room would be the time that sound would actually get there as though you were shouting. Speed of sound I think is, is that 600 did you say? That's six hundred miles an hour or something like that okay only know when yeah well what it sits in that arena anyway so they have this sounds set up so so this sounds like what it sounds like your voice

14:04 louder all the way to the end. And so you don't get these echoes and you don't get this, all this crap that you get and when I first was confronted with this kind of a setup which is it has a name somebody some sound engineer will tell us but sound guys will tell ya its expensive to set up because you have to have these arrays of speakers they have to be... The distance from you to the speaker has to be measured and all that shit. That's right its 768 miles per hour Okay now Anyway, that's so that's all figured in with the computer And it does it so when you first get behind the mic on one of these setups and you say something holy crap You think your voice? Yeah. You think you're the voice of God exactly that that's the huge So I think therefore they see got what he wanted He was constantly hearing his voice bouncing off the back wall there is a milestone I need to discuss just briefly because it saddens me tremendously

15:01 Okay, I am now officially one of those people. Oh you got the Twitter thing no No, no, I'm not verified nope no no it's much worse I am now one of those people who has his eyeglasses on a chain around his neck oh Geez I know I'm thinking now. I'm thinking of dropping the show This is it's all downhill from here We can probably ride it for another couple of years, but holy crap Why are you doing this well? You're doing this to yourself well because I Only use my glasses indoors to see television or to look outside obviously and that really don't need him although It's fuzzy when I'm walking around

15:49 But it's my focal length is all messed up, so I keep putting my glasses down and then of course Oh any my glasses where are my glasses? I can never find my glasses the way. I usually find them is by sitting on them and breaking them This has happened to you yes You just don't look where your city well this is good. You can't say with a whoopee cushion I can't see it. I just can't see it anyway So but I do I don't like I'm not going out of the house with this obviously I need to have kind of a v-neck sweater that's little crusty and dirty. That would make it perfect. You need patches on your elbows, yes and my eyebrows have to be crazy out of control. Crazy yeah definitely however sorry to hear that yeah i know on a different topic thank you very much for the outstanding use of the word schlock in the newsletter i love that schlock man i hadn't heard schlock in years

16:47 It's a good word. Yeah, my parents used to have schlock parties which I think now is called the white elephant party it used to be called the schlock party and you know how the schlock party works right? You bring a piece of schlock which is hard to define exactly what a piece of schlock is... No, but you know what it is when you see it Just like porn exactly For instance your Hillary Clinton laughing pen that's a piece of schlock It's totally a piece of schlock You know its that ashtray with with the VNE's glass bits, whatever that's a schlock and nice word. We should be bringing more of these words back." Well the newsletter was very ineffective. Yeah I noticed that well we can talk about that later

17:32 Anyway, let's get into this report. Okay now do you want to... Well first I want to say that there are so many angles we can go. First of all I want everyone to know that there is a copy of the PDF in The Show Notes 894.noagendanotes.com There's also a link in the newsletter Yes and it's well worth a read! It's pretty fun to look over Now, do you have a background of sorts? Well there's the one backgrounder that was the long one which I don't it's not even that good. It combines information about the first press conference NBC covered as a backgrounder now well let's why don't we just before playing any because while we explain what happened yeah is probably

18:21 Now, what happened was Buzzfeed there's this old memo that has been floating around. I have a question about that right off the bat. This old memo which apparently had been around since some say October, some say June- No July! But it was rolled out in October. Well yes because that douchebag David Korn...this is his source so that was funny when i saw his name show up but We did not hear... the only thing we heard about this is, uh, we knew there was a letter that some senator sent. We'd read that on the show and said something's going on This was... hmmm.. this must have been six-seven weeks ago

19:02 But no one ever told us about this. I mean, we have a lot of producers inside different organizations. I can't believe that no one even mentioned this to us. So if this was around that long... That's interesting. This was as... Here is my basic theory to start just a little bit. Corn is an operative for the Hillbots. He was a party operative for the Democrats. The thing that people should be investigating is who paid for this report. We really don't have... Adam- Oh, well I believe the Democratic Party and that's what Gregg Greenwald wrote he said this was a guy who had previously done stuff for the Republicans and he was compiling an intelligence report on Donald Trump for the Democrats

19:54 Well, we don't do we know that for sure. I'm not saying the Republicans are though because of the here's what? The dates of the report the first parts of these reports before it got lewd The early ones they early reports which are all in this document that you can download It's the different reports all stacked together as one. Yes. Yeah, it is. Yeah, it's a compendium So it starts during the primaries and I think well yeah now according to Grungrinwald This guy had was what it was worse first working for the Republicans to get dirt on Trump So it was the anti-trump Republicans that's right. That's the ones I got in the world is not that right? Yeah, I agree but who was it Oh, yeah No He has he mentions his name who I'm gonna get to it hold on a second Let me see it was in The Grand Greenwald article. I'm surprised you didn't see that He had a the article

20:43 Greenwald wrote, which I liked a lot was the deep state goes to war with the president-elect using unverified claims as Democrats cheer And of course there is some we do need to talk about that in a moment about you know What is it? I'm gonna tell you what it is here. It is uh was this guy It was like Steve Wright or something really plain name no no no you talking about steel No, no no no looking for this guy Anyway, continue and I'll give you his name in a minute. Okay now you're talking about the Republican who paid for it? No i'm talking about the guy who did it but maybe- Maybe I misread that. The guy who did is Steele!

21:21 Yes, that's the guy. Oh okay you want to know who paid for it? Well the Republicans! No see that's where you're missing the point I'm trying to figure out who paid for it That's what I said John McCain paid for it Well he had the report It seems the most obvious guy and he is the a-hole du jour He hates Trump with a passion Yeah I'd agree That is overlooked completely And I say, well yeah. I was given this and of course like every good American to do I handed it off Yeah how did he the two guys that got a hold of it Harry Reid got a hold of a copy but McCain got one How did McCain get it? He from I think McCain was working with either Jeb Bush or with Rubio and they decided to Do this and then McCain got ahold of it

22:06 How are we gonna slip? Here's like Rubio. How are we gonna slip this to the FBI and don't know without looking suspicious We're gonna get caught yeah, and so I'll do it I Can do it no why not running for anything? I can just do it. I'll do it Yeah, cuz I hate that guy Trump. Yeah well He probably got it from from his Nazi friends in Ukraine that guys incredible the people he hangs out with is I'm unreal. Yeah, okay all right so this report goes in and then the way i understand it that you know so okay let's just say this report was around fine but i find it hard to believe is around that long we didn't hear about it but okay um then the president well i have a thought on that too

22:52 Well, give me that thought now then. Well first let's go start with the Korn thing here Here's the way I saw it as a situation And do we need to replay David Korn for second what an idiot that guy is? No, I don't think so Okay Beat him up unless you have a special clip no no they didn't bring him into the conversation during this era This little ptt has been going on all but he will be I think so at some point Here's what I think happened. The Republicans tried to bring this, roll this out and if you look at the timeline of the thing the really dirty parts about it will mention this what happened was this report claims that Trump went to the Ritz Carlton in Moscow just for the sole purpose of hiring two hookers This is how nuts Trump must be For the sole purpose of hiring 2 hookers to pee on the bed

23:47 that Obama and Michelle slept in because he hates them so much. Which by the way is not a golden shower to everyone who's making the jokes No, it's not. It's just peeing on the bed. It's like wetting the bed. Yeah, something different now as an aside I want to play The Trump before I get to the point of trying to make but i want to get this out of the way This is The Trump clip describing security and hotel cameras When I leave our country...I'm a very high profile person would you say? And so modest I am extremely careful. I'm surrounded by bodyguards, I'm Surrounded by people and I always tell them anywhere but I always tell them if i'm leaving this country Be very careful Because in your hotel rooms and no matter where you go You're gonna probably have cameras you better be careful or you'll be watching yourself

24:45 On nightly television. Does anyone really believe that story? I'm also very much of a germaphobe by the way, that part I love that day You know, I can't even shake your hand let alone have you pee in my bed. I Thought that was interesting now mark Ames tweeted and I retweeted it Can I just relate a personal story about the about Russia sure I went to Moscow in 1988 the Moscow Music Peace Festival this was before David Hasselhoff brought down the wall, because we all know that Hoff did that. And my manager at the time was Lieber and Krebs

25:26 Lieber and Krebs famous for managing Aerosmith and a couple other bands like that, and they also at the time Steve Lieber Managed the Moscow circus remember that it was touring around the states in the late 80s early 90s Yeah, so he managed that there. He'd been to Moscow a lot And then before I left he says okay sit down I gotta tell you something every single woman who talks to you is a KGB hooker Every single hooker you talk to is KGB. In fact, anyone you talk to is KGB just be very aware it's not a joke. Well I went to Moscow before the fall was still the Soviet Union and I was being followed

26:07 the whole time, and there were microphones in the room. And I was staying at The Mirror which was falling into disrepair but The Mirror was a hotel that was for diplomats and they had allowed them public to stay there now. You could find the microphones in many of them were just painted over because they kept painting it. There's a microphone that is just painted over. It was laughable but anyway back to the story But I Mark Ames left a tweet which i thought was interesting. Mark Ames is one of the few writers that I really have nothing but respect for, he's a great investigator who lived in Russia and he says does anybody really believe this is the gist of it did anybody really believe that Trump who has mob connections and owns hotels

26:54 Wouldn't be fully aware of the situation at all times Yeah, and know that this kind of thing would be going on you think he's that stupid it doesn't make any sense And so this whole thing is like something about fiasco So here's what I think happened and then we can go into some clips there. Yeah yeah, man Hey, I think the Republicans paid to have this they have this old buddy of somebody because this Orbis operation is a two-man operation And it's in London and it's got also some guys house. I looked up all the specs on, there is two people there period. Maybe the guys MI6 maybe he's not but he's like an old investigator. I think that part probably is an old MI6 string or...I'm sure that was...that's only thing that is probably true is that he had a relationship with MI6? I think it might be true but I'll assume its true

27:49 And so this guy is good at doing hit pieces, disinformation piece of stuff that might work and let's hire him. And then we the Republicans that are trying to do this stuff, remove ourselves from this." So they did this and it got zero traction nobody cared And so they kind of gave up on it. The Democrats picked up the ball, either the Clintonites or it could be anybody in the Democrat Party same thing or could have still been McCain at the end because he was for Hillary I think he voted for Hillary And so they may have maintained this relationship or even Bill could know this guy too. It seems like a kind of a douchebag that Bill might know." And so they said, let's up the ante on this and that's when they came up with the golden showers and he's peeing in... Because apparently what I understood is this report existed with the peeing in the golden showers and salaciousness but the Russians

28:43 eavesdropping and blackmailing Trump in Moscow. I think that was added later. Well, I think that was at the very end. Yeah. I think they kept upping the ante. It started simple then it upped the ante and upped the ante until it got ridiculous. And so by...it was pretty ridiculous by October 31st when David Corn, the friend who's apparently a friend of this Steele guy Yes yes According to The Independent in London Maybe Corn paid for it? Who does he work for again? Mother Jones, you think? No. This really puts a damper on Mother Jones doesn't it I don't know that it does because I think most people have forgotten this part. Not me, but Corrin runs out a piece that's pretty much the piece that was done by BuzzFeed without the document because I don't think he...I don't know why he did it. No, then maybe he said, I've read the documents! He showed me his top secret filings remember? That on the clip yeah yes so so Corrin runs this out but he has such a bad reputation It's very interesting article to read

29:42 David Corn, October 31st 2016. A veteran spy has given the FBI information... The veteran spy didn't give the FBI the information John McCain and Harry Reid did but okay alleging a Russian operation to cultivate Donald Trump And so he runs this thing out on October 31st which was the idea was to taint the election in favor of Hillary Yes October 31st just before the November election It gets zero traction because I think they've gone, they went overboard with the assertions. And this is because people knew this document at the time right? Yeah and then it kept getting worse and worse every time a new version came out it was getting worse and worse and it was like this doesn't even make any sense in fact there was an ex...

30:26 I have an odd clip that I picked up from CNBC on the Trump segment, where they would end up getting killed. There's a guy that was one of the financial analysts on CNBC and he rolls out of an interesting thesis assuming that any of this is true and CNBC kills it you got just as definitely worth listening to watch how this guy gets killed is pretty funny. No, he's good. The intelligence agencies George what do you think about that and the way he spoke about them today? Well just a couple of points here You know as a former CIA analyst I mean I can say with complete confidence complete confidence That those leaked memos are as fake as the play money that you would buy at a toy store Okay And let's face it okay

31:33 Yeah, isn't it George, sorry to jump in but isn't it dangerous even to call them a leaked memo because it sounds like that might be something official rather than maybe something and somebody literally just fabricated out of nothing? Oh precisely I mean that's absolutely right. So but again let's assume that this thing is real its humor lets humor the possibility that it's real and what would this actually mean okay The first point is that Russian counterintelligence is in totally disarray. You supposedly have this former British intelligence official meeting senior officials from the Kremlin, folks from the Russian intelligence services to meet— he's meeting these people in hotels and bars and cafes down the street from the Kremlin wherever it is. The Russians should know that right? The fact that they haven't caught up with that is a problem. Second point

32:30 These sources, if this is real. These sources are all dead at this point or like thrown in jail because at this point the Russians would know who they are again This kind of information would be in the hands of only a few people Jared I got to imagine though that you were a little bit happy and hearing about drug pricing Because when I heard the president-elect talk about additional bidding Yeah, you better shut up on that. Be quiet now Now the reason I thought this was interesting because in the telegraph when I was reading about the steel guy and his partner That run Orbis yeah Steel is took off like a rocket he apparently has fled fled the area Oh in hiding And he says that the Russians are going to kill him ah

33:16 It's gonna get better. I do wanna read... Wait, wait just let me finish my thesis then take one second. You got it. Okay so corn rose this thing out nothing comes of it nobody gets to get bites and nobody buys before the election nobody bites in December and they finally bite in January 7th 8th at one of these just recently That is how long it takes to do a disinformation campaign and actually have it catch fire. They screwed up! Yeah, this should they should go corn should have written this thing in September late August yeah and they could let the things simmer and then it would have popped up maybe before the election This was...this just is a joke now It's just laughable The fact that even being discussed at all is ludicrous

34:12 Anyway, okay. That's my thesis right? Okay, so The campaign that went awry right well the public story is that Trump received a briefing and they said oh yeah We've attached a couple of things you need to look at some addendums and agenda And he looked at it But that he had set a trap I love this guy. He'd set a trap and told no one, not even his trusty executive assistant Roda. Where did this theory come from? Trump said it himself!

34:49 He said I set a trap and and I told no one. I was having this briefing not even my assistant Rota because I thought maybe the leaks are coming from inside my organization and Leaks yeah, and then it has to be the intelligence community because they then Somebody must have said we gave this to them that is that is the only real foul here We gave this to him in a classified briefing now That is a violation of classification of the the briefing to tell anyone, particularly the press that tell them about that? Well there's... this is dubious. Okay and I'll tell you this whole timeline thing was it was because everyone saying one thing or another yeah and NBC went out of its way to clear up the timeline then you want to listen to this clip. This is NBC clears a P timeline

35:41 Thank you. Let's step back a moment and take a closer look now at that firestorm over the explosive but unverified memo that Hallie just mentioned, that so angered the president-elect. Multiple sources telling NBC News U.S. spy chiefs did not tell Mr Trump about its contents regarding him during the briefing. NBC News senior investigative correspondent Cynthia McFadden explains what we know Tonight, this question. Does US intelligence have proof the Russians hold compromising information about Donald Trump? And did they brief Mr. Trump about it last Friday? The answer according to multiple intelligence officials

36:19 is no. A senior intelligence official tells NBC News that there was indeed a two-page summary accompanying that classified report on Russian interference in the U.S. election, which dealt with explosive and unsubstantiated claims that Russia had compromising personal information about Mr. Trump last night it was widely reported that mr.. Trump was himself briefed on the material But multiple sources including those involved in the briefing process tell NBC News That is simply not true I was in the room at the first I heard of any of these wild accusations Was when someone printed it off of the BuzzFeed website

37:00 Alright, let me play this thing from Trump where he's talking about wondering if the intelligence agencies leaked this. But I do have to say that and they must say that I want to thank a lot of the news organizations here today because They looked at that nonsense that was released by Maybe the intelligence agencies. Who knows? But maybe the intelligence agencies, which would be a tremendous... This is very interesting speech pattern. Maybe the intelligence agencies who knows but maybe the intelligence agency. Yeah he does it that's just that's gotta be NLP somehow. It could be. Agencies who knows but maybe the intelligence agency is which would be a tremendous blot on their record if they in fact did that a tremendous blot

37:52 Because a thing like that should have never been written. It should never been had and it should certainly never have been released, but I want to thank a lot of the news organizations for some of whom have not treated me very well over the years. A couple in particular and they came out so strongly against that fake news and the fact that it was written about by primarily one Group and one television station. I pulled a couple more quick clips from his From his press conference, which I want to share and the first one was what Scott Adams said was a great persuasion tactic against

38:34 the Hitler meme and that of course was him saying hey wait a minute is this Nazi Germany? The tweet you had this morning about are we living in Nazi Germany what were you driving at there, what are you trying to tell the people? I think it was disgraceful. Disgraceful that the intelligence agencies allowed any information that turned out to be so false and fake I think it's a disgrace and i say that and i say that And that something Nazi Germany would have done. Listen to him repeat himself. Sorry? You know, I want you to start the clip over and listen to way he repeats this is Maybe on to something with NLP says disgraceful disgraceful and then he repeats himself a number of times sometimes whole sentences It's neuro linguistic programming for those who do not wanna look at all

39:21 The tweet that you had this morning about are we living in Nazi Germany. I think it was disgraceful, disgraceful that the intelligence agencies allowed any information that turned out to be so false and fake I think it's a disgrace and i say that and i say that And that something Nazi Germany would have done an did do. I think its a disgrace That information, that was false and fake and never happened got released to the public I counted 5 Well there is uh depends on if you want extend 4 or 5 yeah It was bunch Its repeat thats 30 second clip so this repeat every 6 seconds not bad

40:04 All right, now of course the bit that everybody saw. If you didn't it's just too beautiful. Since you're attacking us can you give us a question? Mr President-elect, since you are attacking our news organization... Not him! Your organization is terrible. Can you give us a chance to ask a question sir? Go ahead. Quiet. Mr President-elect, can you state categorically... She's asking a question don't be rude. Don't be rude. I'm not going to give you a question. You are fake news! Sir, can you stay categorically that nobody... Mr President-elect, that's not appropriate That's not appropriate! I love the clapping of course he did this at Trump Tower so there was a lot people there like yeah! Yeah! And screw that! You are fake news This is a great ISO You are fake news I love that It's the best ISO You are fake news Perfect

40:57 All right. But what was interesting is, right after that bit about the fake news a question was asked that didn't really make the airways but to us to the no agenda thinking... No agenda minded people it was interesting. President Obama went too far with the sanctions he put on Russia after the hacking do you think they're just unfortunate? I don't think went too far. Will you roll them back and what do you think of Lindsey Graham's plan to send you a bill for tougher ones? Plans to send me a bill for what? For tougher sanctions I hadn't heard Lindsey Graham was going to do that. Lindsey Graham. I've been competing with him for a long time He's gonna crack that 1% barrier one day What do you think he means by that? It means it here you never got more of on the all-in 1% than 1%. Ah, yes He's gonna crack that 1% barrier one day. I didn't realize Lindsey Graham still at it Sorry and so not now he does a real Trump thing. Yeah, I think Lindsey Graham is a nice guy Oh, I've heard that he's a nice guy and I've been hearing it

41:58 I've been hearing it. Yeah, don't worry you'll change your tune pretty quickly he's not a nice guy He's not a nice guy now in in the previous episode I forget which session this was exactly. They had the Intel community at the Senate, and it was Clapper, it was Brennan, it was Admiral Michael Rogers and it was Comey. And... Well before you jump to that- No no! It is important. You're connecting it? I'm connecting it. It's very important because what are we talking about? This is before this memo came out

42:34 Before, you got to put that in your head. I'm gonna say one more time before well before it came out and actually came out in October yes there before but before this whole fracas okay all right And I think it was it's a yeah senator Mark Warner Democrat from Virginia says something that in this context is mind-boggling. Europe has long been a target of Russian attempts to manipulate electoral processes, so they will continue with that and certainly because of the controversy that's generated in our country I think that will reinforce their desire to do that

43:21 One of the things that actually another member of the committee raised is certain Russian activities, again just to go to the seriousness not only retrospectively but prospectively. That I believe there was a Russian dissident in London where Russian agents in effect planted false information in this individual's personal file and then called law enforcement and said look at this person's file and there was child pornography placed Could you anticipate at some time Russia trying if we don't take more aggressive actions trying those actions against American public officials? I love this. They are talking about the Russians doing What they themselves just did now whether they had done that before the Senate hearing, I don't know but Let's roll that back just a little bit with that question. It's there

44:17 Could you anticipate at some time Russia trying if we don't take more aggressive actions trying those actions against American public officials Russians I think well, I have no compunction about using the full array of tools and techniques available in their kit bag Do you have your kid bag ready John make sure yeah a kit. You got your kit bag So I wouldn't put it past them to do that Oh any other tools they've used such as paying people to participate in social media, for example. Oh boy gee we don't do that! We don't do that! And this has been described as an effect the new normal... The new normal? ...for Russian doctrine is that correct? I believe yes So why didn't they just come right out and say oh Russia inserted that into the file That would have been much better It would have been even funnier But no What you say about others is what you are

45:15 Found it which is turning out to be the theme of this whole podcast Generally speaking and listen to the last question he does one of those down-the-line everybody answer the question oh Yeah, I hate it if you were sitting there But it's great for the show okay go and again. We've seen our system your words a significant escalation in all before us we have people with service in the IC and defense of our nation in hundreds of years. I'd like to just go down the line, in any of your careers have you ever seen this level of Russian interference in our political process? And we'll start with Director Comey and just go down the line." Now what would you say? Have we ever seen any... I'd say yeah! In the 50s it was like when I was a kid- There we go

46:13 When I was a kid, I forgot what grade I was in but I was given an assignment of...it was something. There were so much anti-communist stuff going on that one of the assignments was to find all the front organizations that actually can be linked to the Soviet Union and I did this report for...and then I'm in grammar school and it was page after page after page! I was stunned myself But apparently not compared to today. Now it's a lie. Yeah, these people are either idiots or they're just stooges I'll take door number one for 500 okay? Let me let me just read clapper statement That's important because clapper released the statement after this all everything got really high like after this go oh

47:12 This evening I had the opportunity to speak with President-elect Donald Trump to discuss recent media reports about our briefing last Friday. I expressed my profound dismay at the leaks that have been appearing in the press and we both agreed that they are extremely corrosive and damaging to our national security." By the way, Clapper's out now he's done... He's leaving We already quit Yeah We also discussed the private security company document, which was widely circulated in recent months among the media members of Congress and congressional staff even before the IC became aware of it. Oh... It's not a private security company but go on. No. And also... Political consultancy big difference. Yes thank you. But also why didn't they have a copy? Everybody had it that great work I see! I got to top her. Hold on

48:01 I emphasize that this document is not, emboldened a US intelligence community product that i do not believe... that i do not believe the let me see let me read this again is not a US intelligence community product and that I do not believe the leaks came from within the intelligence community. The intelligence community has not made any judgment that the information this document is reliable, and we do not rely upon it in anyway for our conclusions however part of our obligation is to ensure that policymakers are provided with the fullest possible picture of any matters that might affect national security

48:37 President-elect Trump again affirmed his appreciation for all the men and women serving in the intelligence community, and I assured him that the IC stands ready to serve his administration And the American people except for me because I quit. That's just a minor detail Okay now not that anyone will care but he said that No, I sure don't. So this guy... Now let me get this straight so Clapper is the head of the... He's the head of the Haste... he's the tet-a-de-tet. He's the capo de capo. Yeah! He's the guy at the top. He should know everything right? Yep And apparently doesn't know anything and we've proven this before if you remember that one time there was some big yeah There's a couple years ago. I think this one here comes close This is Clapper on RT Okie dokie

49:25 And James Clapper, who is the director of national intelligence joined the chorus against RT. However when asked a question about RT's reach in America he seemed unsure. China continues to succeed... Director Clapper does RT get any of its broadcast into the United States? Yes it does some It does? Very prevalent in Europe and lesser so I think there's an RT channel here. I think there's an RT channel here, maybe? Possible. I don't know... I really can never find it. That is his extent of his knowledge?! That is our intelligence community right there! Oh, thank you. Thank you. I think there's a RT channel here. How can he say that!? What an idiot!! You tell me!!!

50:12 My goodness. And besides that, they're bitching and moaning about RT constantly and then he thinks there's an RT channel here... He thinks maybe there might be well of course you know they're big in Europe big in Europe so there's not much more to say about this other than that it was obviously fake news and that now BuzzFeed putting this out I mean for me the funniest thing is all sudden everyone's like well how could a news organization put this out? Hello BuzzFeed it's a clickbait farm. I have a couple more clips. Oh my I mean If I ran buzzfeed shit, yeah and put that out

50:50 Who cares? Here's Ben Smith being grilled by... Who is Ben Smith? Oh, he's the editor of BuzzFeed. He owns it! The meat-depressed guy. Yeah Chuck. Chuck's grilling him and I could have put the whole thing in here but I got a little bit of it. It goes on and on and Chuck has actually irked He hates this guy, even though they're friends. He hates him for doing this he says this is the worst thing you can do I think Ben Smith is right This sentence publishing this dossier reflects how we see referring to yourself The job of reporters in 2017 that makes me think this is a decision you would have

50:12 My goodness. And besides that, they're bitching and moaning about RT constantly and then he thinks there's an RT channel here... He thinks maybe there might be well of course you know they're big in Europe big in Europe so there's not much more to say about this other than that it was obviously fake news and that now BuzzFeed putting this out I mean for me the funniest thing is all sudden everyone's like well how could a news organization put this out? Hello BuzzFeed it's a clickbait farm. I have a couple more clips. Oh my I mean If I ran buzzfeed shit, yeah and put that out

50:50 Who cares? Here's Ben Smith being grilled by... Who is Ben Smith? Oh, he's the editor of BuzzFeed. He owns it! The meat-depressed guy. Yeah Chuck. Chuck's grilling him and I could have put the whole thing in here but I got a little bit of it. It goes on and on and Chuck has actually irked He hates this guy, even though they're friends. He hates him for doing this he says this is the worst thing you can do I think Ben Smith is right This sentence publishing this dossier reflects how we see referring to yourself The job of reporters in 2017 that makes me think this is a decision you would have

51:32 You would not have made the same decision in the pre-Trump era? Oh no, I'm not really referring to the pre Trump era. I think more of a pre internet era and then i think there was an era when I think their reasons for us to be nostalgic for it reasons for us to have issues with that where we could act as gatekeepers or we could say You know what, crazy people are claiming that Barack Obama's birth certificate is forged but we're not gonna write about that. That's crazy and I remember you were both there during Obama's first campaign and that was at first the approach and then you see these things spread and you have to engage them And i think there was an era when you would be the gatekeeper for information and you would say to your audience trust us We're keeping things from you, we have lots of secrets we're not telling you but you should trust us I think you could say that was a good era or bad

52:17 the present day. And so I guess, in that context there were two reasons we decided to publish this and we like many other organizations had had it for weeks, reporters in Europe and the United States trying to stand up or knock down specific details But this was a document that was not just circulating at the highest levels of the intelligence community, the most powerful intelligence officials in the country referring to it in briefings to the President United States, president-elect reportedly disputedly. The political elite top elected officials, the Gang Of Eight John McCain saw certainly the media elite had it and I think we're starting to act on it Harry Reid had written a letter referring to it and I think when you have

53:01 I pulled completely different clips from that piece. I find it interesting you pulled those Well, the reason is because that was at the beginning and that was when Chuck was the most irked. Can I play my clips? Yeah! And then they went back and forth and back and forth...and I don't think Smith really altered his position much. No. I think Todd made some good points but the more I think about it especially in regards to our show

53:50 We don't mind talking about the potential of Obama being a Muslim or that Obama might be gay or bisexual, or we discuss these things and we have some evidence. And we used to play...you know have different kinds of crazy clips." We bring all this stuff out and I think it's because this is...I think Smith is right. This is the new world that were in. Oh! Yes yes And so I, that's Wikileaks. Wikileaks is just like let's put it all out there. Yeah, Wikileaks is more news than BuzzFeed. Hello? Exactly! Here's my clip...

54:26 But you just published fake news. That's why I like that, you just published fake news bitch! We just published a dossier... no i think thats really... A dossieeeer not a fake... Why is that? We just published the dossiere! I agree with that, I don't think it was fake news Me neither, Buzzfeed is non-news An unfair description Well there's that I think people love to throw the term fake news around Trust me im aware To diminish anything they dont like Of course Trust me Im aware It seems to be its almost as if your saying There was only two choices you had here, not publish or publish. There is a gray area I understand this idea in this day and age that there are many readers who feel as if proof show me that you have the goods

55:08 There is such thing as redactions. And you could have redact it, yeah. You could have said here it is and you know what? You didn't do many. That's correct. Very very few and in some cases not enough as far even I believe one of the people who contributed to it Okay so luckily we have a print journalist in our midst What do you think about redacting? Should they have redacted the P bits? Redaction is done on behalf of the government to keep certain names and addresses, and maybe some details away from the public in government documents. Which is why Chuck Todd is so familiar with it!

55:45 That are used, exactly. It's a protection mechanism that is used by the government to censor stuff that can't be given out This isn't in the government document this is some guy's rant Why would you redact anything? You look like a total douchebag Well what it said I think it uses the word pee Let's take the word pee out! It shows that Chuck Todd certainly believes this is a government document. I think that's what it shows. No, I just think he thinks the redaction is good. You're probably right. Here's another quickie. I'm going to quote Margaret Sullivan. Who's Margaret Sullivan? Oh yeah, writer. Yes here we go she says this flatly It has never been acceptable to publish rumor and innuendo period

56:36 Do you agree with her? I think that we are now in a media environment where you have to engage. I mean, it's an environment where you no longer have the luxury. And where the legacy media which has at times turned away from saying wow there is all of this crazy stuff on the internet we're not going to touch it, we're gonna stay out of it We are just gonna let it spread and I think that this is a place where sunlight is disinfectant where its important to show... I'm a little tired of the sunlight is the best disinfectant I'm tired of this. I'm hearing this everywhere, we believe sunlight is the best disinfectant! I am reading this in company mission statements all kinds of stuff. Tell somebody with a flesh-eating bacteria that

57:22 Spread. And I think that this is a place where sunlight is a disinfectant, where it's important to show your audience what you have... There was a line when does the line become yelling fire in a theater? I think that you're absolutely right that there is... When do you yell fire in a theater? That's see that's your right answer! I'm sorry? The right answers ask me the question What when has it become the one's alignment can yell fire in the theatre? When there's a fire When there's a fire, so far is the other right answer. Yeah what is your answer? Two good answers! What is your answer? When there's a fire, that is the right answer. I become yelling fire in a theater? I think that you're absolutely right that reasonable people can disagree. I mean i'm not sure that you would say that the effect of publishing this has made people think it's more credible by the way. Hold on! Yeah... I said no and actually had all this too but I cut it off but your right its actually very good

58:21 You all you have to do is go to BuzzFeed, To that article where they release that document and read the comments. What he said is total bullcrap! All the comments are the same Oh this will do it This'll finish off Trump The guys a douche I knew Trump was doing stuff like this It was just- A whole comment stream Is all about how bad Trump is And what's so sad? And this is... If you see this on the face bag Is that..the uh People who live... now you and I live pretty much in two dimensions at the same time. It's very tiring, but we were able to live in these two dimensions that you know We've been split down the middle worldwide for sure the United States They are so desperate That they like anything like anything crying all the time Anything that floats by They'll just grab it. Eh some driftwood! Grab it

59:18 Yes, I mean we do have a system in America. We have a political system and you know it you can this ways to work against the Party don't like and a president You don't like and there's a system we have a system for that It's called governance And there's no there's rules and regulations, and he's not a dictator But it's pathetic does it mean geez if you see? The stuff with his head the stuff that people are coming up with for this you know for the parade of You know, for the big women's march. And now women by the way are all pissed off that men aren't showing enough support for the women's march I mean what do you want? What DO YOU WANT?! And then part of this is The Pussyhat Project So everyone has to knit a pussy hat Oh my god yeah there's a link in the show notes

1:00:17 I'll send it to you. Celebrities, this is my favorite... celebrities are calling for a total Hollywood strike until Trump resigns! What? Yes! Strike! Oh my god! No more entertainment! Oh no what will we do?! The public won't put up with that, we must have our movies! What will we do and this kind of leads into Meryl Streep- I didn't clip her everyone saw it But there is an issue, a couple of issues with what she said. Number one to say that mixed martial arts is not an art form is I think a mistake

1:01:01 Well, she's got a lot of backlash for saying that. Oh yeah and to say that they're not an international group is also... Ashley one of our producers I don't know what she was thinking why did she do that? Ashley is one of our producers And she said hey excuse me I have listed the current list of female and male UFC champions with their respective nationalities as you can see They're quite a bit more foreign than Meryl Streep made it out to be Poland Brazil US Ireland England Croatia You have to go all over to find those maniacs. Yeah, but also it...so this kind of comes back to the same thing that people living in this dimension of we're all going to die, Trump is horrible you know, we'll have no healthcare, will have to do abortions with coat hangers and all this stuff uh..you know well let's reach out to the celebrity! And the hero worship of Meryl Streep to me was...

1:01:59 Almost disgusting. Seriously, almost disgusting is really pathetic! Oh thank you Merrill you really said it girl! You know one of the Oscars I can't wait for that and that's gonna be a shit show. Well actually I will see. I'm sorry. Well I have two last clips on this issue. Well but i'm not quite done...I just wanted to play Well, I have a couple more things. We got to take a break though. So i think we're in agreement that BuzzFeed... they totally and they're right there's not a news organization you know they do listicles! I don't care where they are or not they can do this yeah but they do listicles who gives a crap now CNN who pertain to be a credible news organization I think that they definitely

1:02:48 Well, they screwed up and the amount of defense, people coming to CNN's defense on this. In fact here is Shep Smith from Fox News defending CNN. The internet now carries the flag... I'm sorry that's the wrong one here it is Further President-elect Trump today told CNN's Jim Acosta that his organization amounts to fake news. CNN's exclusive reporting on the Russian matter was separate and distinctly different from the document dump executed by an online news property Though we at Fox News cannot confirm CNN's report, it is our observation that its correspondents follow journalistic standards and that neither they nor any other journalists should be subjected to belittling and delegitimizing by the President-elect of the United States. And then here's CNN with an actual... Wait hold on a second! He calls them an online news property instead actually mentioning BuzzFeed out of some spite?

1:03:47 I don't know why. Maybe that's a Fox News... Why they mentioned CNN, which is the direct competitor BuzzFeed isn't? I don't know but here's CNN's panel talking about hate and hostility towards journalists oh yeah it's finally happening he doesn't think about the implications to anybody other than himself Have you ever heard of anybody in politics, let alone a presidential nominee doing anything like this to the fourth estate? This is much worse than- The fourth estate. What did Obama do with Fox when he first got into office? He arrested people! He kicked them out of the White House press conference. And he arrested people. This is much worse than what we've seen in the past It's one thing for candidates to criticize the press and say they're getting bad coverage

1:04:36 But Donald Trump is routinely lying to his supporters about the media. Yes, in little ways and in big ways and that has damaging effects for the viewers who are watching and more importantly for the voters who support him because they're being misled And there's a mob mentality now at stake These people are yelling and shouting and threatening reporters in a way I've never seen That's right! They go over to the press I mean, there's the large issue of obviously denigrating the press. But then there is the individual aspect of people going to the press and the press are penned in you don't know that and yelling at them making vulgar gestures at them. No! I dealt with it at the RNC. I get the passion

1:05:18 But a politician has a responsibility. You shape the passion of people I don't mean to call supporters sheep, I respect people who want to back politicians trust me but he makes them angry and then instead of saying things to you they want to do things to you and i'm telling you something is going to happen Something's gonna happen! We had this clip of our local guy went through a Trump thing it seemed like was in good fun they were yelling and screaming at the press yes he said he never felt threatened Now, these people don't get out much. I have two clips and this next clip is the topper to what you just played here is the same kind of thing

1:05:55 that you just played by Ed Schultz. And he is the... Ed Schultz is the guy who used to be at MSNBC and now an RT. He's a firebrand, he's now an RT. A US intelligence community product and they have not made any judgments on it. RT America host Ed Schultz told us that publishing unverified stories is ruining the credibility of several outlets I think that this is a low time for journalism in America, that this is going to hurt the entire industry. It's unfortunate that CNN is letting it play out like the old movie The Godfather There are a lot of buffers here Nobody wants to say who did what when and how but there are just a lot of buffer and there are few names on their

1:06:36 Keep in mind that all of these intelligence people work for Barack Obama. Keep in mind that this reeks of Clinton politics, this is the kind of stuff they do. They get behind the scenes, they get operatives working, and pay them off. They get an MI6 guy involved, then they get this person involved and that person involved. The next thing you know it's in the mainstream media. And oh by the way Donald Trump is put in a position today where he has to come out and label CNN fake news! CNN took the bite and now they're taking the dive Their credibility right now goes right in the toilet for what has happened to them over the last 48 hours. Jake Tapper actually went on the air last night with other anchors and reporters and said, we've been working on this! This is outrageous! They've taken a couple of phone calls from people who are trying to get Donald Trump they tried to turn it into a story It's unsourced And as I said there are times in this business of yesteryear when people acted like this they got fired

1:07:35 Boy, he's really changed. I don't recognize him It's very funny now The funny thing is is that they Trump thanked all these news organizations for not really reporting on this right? but what he missed on was the night of the The night after that all the late-night hosts all of them didn't material And the material was, I think worse than any news report. It's shameful but you have to admit it's funny and i do have one clip of Jimmy Kimmel's routine on this particular thing This is ABC and you have to assume that

1:08:12 It's once the cats out of the bag, which I think was you know that once this story is out and once you hear these assertions not only do they do material on it which is what a comedian supposed to do but they add a little negative Trump stuff in there just to make it worse. This is not healthy what you're going to hear I don't know if you heard about this because this story just came through, but the big story today CNN learned that top intelligence officials in the United States like FBI CIA have presented evidence that Russian operatives claim to have compromising personal and financial information about Donald Trump. And you hate to mention unsubstantiated rumors about Trump because he would never do that to someone else

1:08:55 There's a document going around that indicates he hired prostitutes to perform golden showers on the bed the Obamas once slept in. So that is a leak of a leak, literally. Maybe this is what Hillary was hinting at when she mentioned Trump trickledown economics. The intelligence officials say not only does Russia claim to have information on Trump, there was a continuing exchange of information during the campaign between Trump's people and the Russian government. Which would... Can a president be impeached before he is even inaugurated? Well it is your own fault John! Your own damn fault you brought up ABC Sorry Now you have to endure You know what I'm talking about

1:09:51 ABC, this is how the ladies of The View responded to this news. And remember a lot of women get their news from The View they believe that this is... So if I didn't play that last clip you wouldn't have played this bullcrap! I would have. Yeah, you're right is bullcrap. Let's just start it all out. Donald Trump has just been robbed by an unsubstantiated collection of research memos claiming Russian operatives are compromising financial and personal info that they can use to blackmail him. Now we can't get into specifics, but I do have to ask, you know cause he's being shot with allegations right now is this a golden opportunity for Democrats or will be able to clean up these leaks? Why is it that when people on mainstream media or some would say legacy media

1:10:57 By the way, I didn't mention it when they came up in one of the previous quotes. This is showing up a lot Legacy media yeah, I think is that I haven't really heard this like six months ago Do you do we want always corporate media big media? Yeah, do we want to adopt that? I mean It's it's a dog legacy I don't know that we want to adopted but I definitely want to make people aware of being used For mainstream. It used to be MSM, mainstream media. Right but what is mainstream? Yeah I don't like that... What is mainstream? Well you know what? Let's get the exact definition of mainstream The ideas attitudes or activities that are regarded as normal or conventional the dominant trend in opinion fashion or the arts

1:11:44 Okay, I think it's still mainstream because it's still the dominating opinion. Would you not agree? Yes absolutely! So it's still the dominating opinion and we continue What I was going to say is... It's amazing that people love The simplest jokes yeah, I made-I made the same jokes in the opening of the show Yeah but did But we get-but you go And by the way, I agree But everyone else is clapping. It's fabulous Oh, Jimmy Kimmel you made so many you're so funny You're so funny instead of just saying Just what was in the report? We can't say that because I don't know it's gonna but hurt somebody Why don't we just say what's in the report? Yeah, why does all have to be a little kind of did yeah Kind of but then he again goes back to golden shower This has nothing to do with Golden Shower anyway

1:12:39 Well done! Well done. Like a one game to get the morning started You know, but you know, we should have been unsubstantiated But you know I do recall that when... You know the days when they were saying Obama's not an American Wow she so old she still using you know hello 1980 Days when they were saying Obama is not an American He's uh he's uh Part of the he's a Muslim or he's part of the Taliban those weren't Did anyone say he was part of the Taliban Wow, that's great. Those were fake news and yet they ran with it yeah Yeah, so well we're gonna run I think she's saying the news

1:13:31 Who? I never heard anybody running with this. With the Taliban or Muslims Well, what she's trying to say is the birth certificate She's trying to say the birth certificate but she can't say it and i don't know why she can't say it I dunno, like what's going on Whatever! She said it was funny I think that The ex CIA acting director's name is Michael Morrell. He said this morning that they do appear to be intelligence reports Oh, Morell's in on it from an MI6 British intelligence officer and so while they are unsubstantiated And unsourced or unconfirmed

1:14:26 I think what we really need to be concerned about is the fact that our now future president could possibly be at the, you know as compromised by our Russian adversary. And they could have information that could, I guess... blackmail him? well here's the thing like let me so I know i have a source, I can't name who it is. oh okay um my source says that he owes the russians a lot of money like half a billion dollars or something no we're back to that now here's the scenario President oh my god As day follows night that's gonna happen I was she this is the first time she actually said Trump will be president This has been very hard for her. Oh, yeah So he becomes the they said if leader of the free world you can't make this up and

1:15:19 And the Russians can blackmail him about the boycotts for example and all of the stuff that we've been doing. She can't figure out, she also is a... What she's trying to say is sanctions. Sanctions? The sanctions right so he lists his sanctions because otherwise were gonna get you sucker! And that's why there is a problem. That's exactly why there is a problem. Just to clarify, our legal team is saying this is a collection of research and memos... This isn't the ABC legal team. ABC News is saying this is unconfirmed, this is unverified, it's explosive but unsubstantiated allegations with that That being said, you have to say that because this stuff is unverified. If any of this is true and it's found to be true in the FBI is currently investigating if they're doing their job, this is very problematic because the allegations are that there was collusion between the Trump campaign and the Russians. And if you remember a lot of people that opposed Hillary Clinton opposed her because they felt that as a result of this email leak, but she was potentially compromised at their credit score and untrustworthy.

1:16:18 that but there could have been foreign involvement and all of these questions conservative rose which I think were justified came up now many of those people all of a sudden don't have a problem with any of these stories you know what Question everything right now. Everything that comes out you need to question it and you need to let investigators do their job the fact this went to President Obama This has gone too top officials Now we're gonna have whoopie wrap it all up if she's just gonna come out and say she thinks it's probably true And it's not like they just found this out, but they have known this for a few months Listen y'all set the bar You set this up

1:16:57 You said this is we should trust all us. Well now we got to trust this too Yeah, it's you can't not good for the goose and not good It's not good for the goose and good for the gander these people are crazy They're just throwing out throwing out things that I even know what it means But, oh yeah. Well this could be true we gotta believe this we got to do that shameful it's just shameful anyway and that's uh I guess that's kind of what we have for him he is our president He's Trump! He's Trump the President! Love that jingle And with that i'd like to thank you for your courage and say in the morning to you John C where the c stands for CNN It's Fake News Devorah

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1:26:59 All right, perfect. Let me give this guy a karma. Thank you so much. You've got karma outstanding Well no associates but we'll take the execs for today Thank you very much Appreciate that and of course these are real credits which you can put on your LinkedIn seems to work extremely well although No longer in Russia, you know that they took the rushes as oh you gotta take the the LinkedIn app out of your App Store Apple why? Because... You still get to it on the internet, on the web. The reason no I think they're blocking it and the reason why is because they do not adhere to the Russian law which is very similar to the EU you have to have a copy of the data on Russian servers not just somewhere else well yeah so

1:27:45 So it's being taken out. Anyway, forget that you can still get gigs Maybe not in Russia But maybe in the United States by putting that executive producership right on your profile people seem to dig it we certainly do and I'll be talking more about the relationship the new modern relationship between artists and their audiences why they're melding into one which is why we call you producers In this case, executive producers. Now the show come up on Sunday remember us at... And I'll be in Amsterdam for the show on Sunday and while you're out get formula! Our formula is this we go out we hit people in the mouth. Hey citizens Shut up! Nice. I want to read a note from Scott Hamilton who actually it's a note as a reference. Scott Hamilton? The skater

1:28:44 I really doubt it. It's like Cohen, pretty common name. Noah Janischow remains the best podcast because he is not beholding to advertisers and he points at this thing that's in the Holiday Inn entry on Wikipedia which is a movie he and his wife just watched. And the Wikipedia says, beginning in the 1980s some broadcast of the film entirely omitted the Abraham musical number staged at The Inn for Lincoln's birthday that in this movie Holiday Inn because it was depiction of blackface minstrel show incorporating images and behaviors that are now considered offensive

1:29:22 However, because Turner Classic Movies airs uncut and unedited the network has left the Abraham number intact during the screenings of Holiday Inn. AMC also aired the film intact before they became an advertiser-supported channel to avoid advertiser objections The edited version now airs annually on AMC Just a little point that advertising has this influence to keep people from seeing or discussing certain things or saying certain...in this case. Yes, yes. Well I wanna talk about something else which is very important case of not quite sure the legal status of it but it's being discussed in Senate right now and its incredibly important for social media networks and why this getting zero play. I mean I caught on C-SPAN

1:30:14 By accident. By serendipity, actually. Serendipity would be the right thing. The premier place for escorts to advertise their wares is Backpage I don't know if that's international but i'm sure it is in the United States and... They were shut down in the United States Well so this just happened this just happened two days ago The back page shut down their adult entertainment category. And if you go there now, then you click on any of the categories of adult entertainment which is code for hookers. It says censored! The government has unconstitutionally censored this content and then it has some links what happened find out use your social media to support free speech blah blah okay

1:31:11 Now, the allegation of course for a long time which started with Craigslist is that these advertisements often are used for human trafficking child prostitution etc. Which I'm sure there's a level of that no doubt about it but they are now being hauled in back page that is and this is a conversation between Senator Portman who is questioning the CEO of Backpage about their practices. But what the reasoning they use to say, you are bad, you are horrible, you're breaking the law which I believe to be incorrect

1:31:58 is quite interesting and I think very, very important for the internet and services on the internet in general. So to set that up we have the Digital Millennium Copyright Act And what was the genius of this act? Is that it said... That if you are just a place where people post content You are not liable for what happens or what is being said Am I summing that up correctly? It's an element, a digital millennium copyright act. It was a lot bigger than that it was mostly about back engineering and things like reverse engineering right things like but this is the entire reason that we can have Twitter that we can have YouTube that we can all these different things That was the entire reason because you're not editorializing

1:32:47 You are not a news... And this is important. Yeah, and it began with Yahoo groups and some of these other things. So this isn't important now listen to what he's saying Mr. Ferrer your company has repeatedly avoided liability by invoking section 230 of the Communications Decency Act Okay should we listen to just for second? Section 230 of the Communications Decency Act and in this it says No provider or user of an interactive computer service shall be treated as the publisher or speaker Of any information provided by another information content provider. So in other words, these are online intermediaries That was the entire idea... Okay, could you read that again? Yeah sure

1:33:35 No provider or user of an interactive computer service shall be treated as the publisher or speaker... ...of any information provided by another information content provider. So this means if I think it actually also means if they have an RSS feed and post something that is defamatory, that I cannot be held liable because I am not a publisher. If it's just stuff people post in comments or anything of the like. Okay? So that's what it says. Mr. Ferrer, your company has repeatedly avoided liability by invoking Section 230 of the Communications Decency Act that's been referenced a couple times here this morning. This act protects websites who just post content created by third parties

1:34:29 But our report issued today and posted yesterday afternoon demonstrates conclusively that your reliance on this Communications Decency Act section has not been accurate. It's been a fraud, frankly, on the courts, on the victims you sued who sued you and on the public." Why do I say that? I say that because Backpage took an active hand in creating ads on your site as I talked about my opening statement. You systematically deleted words phrases and images submitted by users It revealed that the posted ad is for an illegal transaction, not just prostitution but also child sex trafficking. Documents show that you called the practice stripping out content from an ad. You even maintained an extensive strip

1:35:12 and strip term from ad list of words that we talked about earlier. Let me explain what he's talking about on many sites when you, uh... in chat rooms all over the internet I'll give you a good example Airbnb does not want you to communicate through anything but the Airbnb system when you reserve an Airbnb so if you type in your phone number or email address Airbnb strips that out in the messaging system Okay, that's what they're talking about stripping out things. It's basically saying okay for some reason why because it's a it's a Silicon Valley thing right? Okay go let's talk about one of the words on that list This is an email you received from mr. Padilla explaining that he was preparing his spreadsheet of and I quote

1:35:58 the most current list of coded terms set to be stripped out. In the document in front of you, uh, you've highlighted one of the many words on that list um can you read that highlighted word on that list? What an asshole! After consultation... Hold on, hold stop it a second now what I'm getting from this so far is that this guy, the senator or whoever it is, I can't you mentioned him yeah Portman, uh is grilling this guy for doing this because if he wasn't doing this they would It would give him the right to publish all this child. In other words, he's encouraging Child trafficking yeah not the guy that does back page but the senator well So the Senator but the Senator is trying to say or is it a there's that a car? That's a congressman No, this is senator Okay, the Senators trying to say your ads Advertise

1:36:53 child trafficking, human trafficking, child sex prostitution etc. and he's connecting that by saying you automatically strip out words which is going to say in a moment you automatically strip out words therefore your editorializing just keep listening word on that list so it really nice could you please read the first word on that list can you read that highlighted word on that list After consultation with counsel I declined to answer your question based on the rights provided by the first and fifth amendments. In that case, I'll read it the word is lolita there are some other words on that list teenage rape young just so everyone understands this is a document listing code words to be stripped out of advertisements uh and the ads were then posted on the internet on back page anyway um consistent with what we talked about in the opening statement this was a way

1:37:51 to edit these ads, but still take the payment and profit from the ads. Next question Mr. Farrar if an underage girl is being sold for sex on Backpage and her pimp puts the word lolita in the advertisement stripping that term out of the ad doesn't magically change the girls age does it? After consultation with counsel I declined to answer your question based on the rights provided by the first and fifth amendments Okay so he's very...and i like that! I've never heard taking the fifth by adding the first I like that and that was pretty cool Now, here's the problem. What the senator is saying is when you automatically by computer systems strip out certain words which could be F-words S-words all kinds of things this has done all over the internet You are then editorializing because you then still take money and place the ad And I think back pages for them to shut down their adult services it's going to hurt local commerce

1:38:51 I'm not kidding. It's much bigger than anybody realizes, but the senator is incorrect specifically there are a number of court cases that have gone through this. The Fourth Circuit lawsuits seeking to hold a service liable for its exercise of a publishers traditional editorial function such as deciding whether to publish withdraw postpone or alter content are barred The purpose of this statutory immunity is not difficult to discern. Congress recognized the threat that tort-based lawsuits pose to freedom of speech in the new and burgeoning internet medium, Section 230 was enacted in part to maintain the robust nature of internet communication." And there are many lawsuits where this type of editorializing is not seen as editorializing and therefore you still have the safe harbor if this is successful whatever they're trying to do I don't know if there's an actual lawsuit if this is successful

1:39:48 Then, I mean how can you apply that to adult services advertisements but not to Facebook or Twitter or YouTube or any of these systems? Well, you'd have to. Exactly! So that's why I find this to be incredibly interesting and very important. I think it is and there we have it... That clip sucked. I kicked- I- You missed the ball. Hey! Lucy pulled the ball out from under me. Play this little ISO I have, Reptile Wins. Yeah we love the ISOs. What is that from?

1:40:59 It was some stupid thing I was watching and every once in a while they'd show it. It's one of these things where they're showing all these supposed reptiles in the media, and then you know, they'd show a digit... The guy would go out of whack because the digitization didn't work and he would make it look like he was changing, he was doing what do you call it? Shapeshifting! And every time they did it, it would go REPTILE! Reptile, then they had at the end it was reptile wins. I like that. It was referring to Katy Perry. I'm supposed to be a... Go ahead. Okay ask the question whatever it was no go ahead please. I want to play this little thing since we were talking about those hearings and I just have to play this one

1:41:46 There's two hearings that were important. There was the Tillerson and then there was the Jeff Sessions, and the Jeff Session one which I have a little clip of they were grilling him it was really embarrassing Cory Booker this is apparently the first time it's... Now let me just back up one second what is happening here? Is their number of cabinet positions that United States president can appoint but they have to be confirmed by the Senate And that includes state, defense, DHS... All the cabinet jobs actually. Every single one? Yeah I guess and then secretary yeah okay

1:42:23 And Chuck Schumer himself, the leader of the Democrats now and the minority speaker said oh we're gonna take our time. We're gonna make it difficult. How's that good? Anyway so Cory Booker went after Jeff Sessions, after of course there's a lot of stuff on the internet showing that they were great buddies before but apparently I think Booker was goaded into this by the black caucus. Yeah he seemed uncomfortable He seemed very uncomfortable and it was embarrassing i thought for him and he supposed to be you know next Obama well he is not going to cut it with pulling this stunt because no senator has ever

1:43:04 done this before. Senators do not testify against senators, it's a boys club. It's not something we do. It's the girls' club. Yeah. Whatever club it is, you don't do this and so this guy's gonna be snubbed for quite awhile but the more interesting one was Rubio who was testifying against Tillerson which he can do... And Rubio, all of sudden he's gonna be the defender like oh I'm gonna take care of this! It'll all hang on me! Michael Rubio that's the feeling I got from him Well, I got the feeling that he for one thing. He's definitely not a no agenda lister because he's all in with that with the bullcrap memes and nonsense about his Aleppo in particular is bad and let's play a little bit of this a compilation of some Rubio's Kind of going after this Tillerson character in an anti-putin manner Is that the? Rubio blasting Putin yeah, okay, it's Vladimir Putin to war criminal

1:44:01 This question, you know this was a big conversation. Oh two guys asked it Yeah, it's Vladimir Putin the war criminal is George Bush use that term in Aleppo Mr. Putin has directed his military to conduct a devastating campaign He's targeted schools markets resulted in the death of thousands of civilians This is not the first time mr. Putin is involved in campaigns of this guy guys It did that very very serious charges to make And I would want to have much more information before reaching a conclusion. Mr. Chillerson, what's happening in Aleppo is in the public domain. The videos and the pictures are there. I would want to be fully informed before advising President. Well are you aware that people who oppose Vladimir Putin wind up dead all over the world? Poisoned shot in the back of their head... Have you never seen the Clinton body count?!

1:44:50 Do you think that was coincidental or do you think it is quite possible, likely as I believe they were part of an effort to murder his political opponents? Well people who speak up for freedom in regimes that are repressive are often a threat and these things happen too. In terms of assigning specific responsibilities i would have more information None of this classified Mr Tillerson these people are dead I'm not glad they're dead! Oh, Marco. I don't know what he's trying to pull but i thought it was ludicrous. I have a couple other clips from the hearings... Okay From the confirmation hearings. I thought well let's stay with Sessions for a moment you know this is just a funny little bit just to get an idea of the humor. Sessions uh of course he be- he is um being questioned for confirmation for Attorney General

1:45:50 And he is asked a question and then he remembers, he's under oath. But let me just ask you maybe it's not a great analogy but let me try anyway You've been married to your wife Mary almost 50 years right? Well it hadn't gotten to 50 yet 47 40 48 well that's a good run Let me just ask... Let it continue I've been blessed Are there occasions when you and your wife disagree No This is like, it's such an honest answer. You know? It was like every guy knows no! No not at 47 years now! Occasions when you and your wife disagree? No Senator Wait a minute I'm on the road with you On occasion we do yes

1:46:38 What do you think it would be fair to characterize... Oh, I'm under oath. Someone actually yelled that in the background did you hear? I noticed yeah, it was funny. Wait a minute, I'm under oath. Hold on, I'll play that again That was a funny bit You're under oath! Wait a minute, I'm under oath On occasion we do yes What do you think it would be fair to characterize the nature of your relationship with your wife based upon those handful of disagreements that you've had with her over time That's a good point. Thank you for making it, I know I don't Well and to your original point your wife is always right Yeah

1:47:17 That was cute. That was cute, good catch! Then we have... now the nominee for Department of Homeland Security is General John Kelly don't know a lot about him but he was asked I think it was McCain who was grilling him asked about the problem which i think only one person really highlighted that was Donald Trump which is our opioid addiction And he mentioned this several times throughout many states that, you know we have a real problem with heroin but really opioid addiction. Now of course you know we got McCain like oh! We have a problem with opioid addiction now all sudden it's top-of-the list and here is General John Kelly nominee for Department Homeland Security his feelings on the public and narcotics of the opioid variety. Senator I think i'd start off by saying

1:48:07 It's amazing to me, but I just found out very recently that an old friend who is not so old 62 years old after a very successful life just overdosed on heroin. And I think, to your point it's cheaper and more available in many ways than some of the opioids. She could not apparently get a prescription for what she thought she needed but the point is that most Americans don't realize it but an awful lot 100% of heroin that we consume in United States is in fact produced in Mexico and its creeping down now into Central America

1:48:45 They have responded the cartels the networks Have responded to the demand so instead of Asia in South Asia it now is all produced here in the Western Hemisphere Poppies are grown in countries as far south now was Guatemala a little bit and in Colombia although they're getting after it but it is all produced here an awful lot of the opioids see what looks like pharmaceuticals are actually produced at again in Mexico and then pirated up here through the border. And of course, part of the problem I think—and this is, I think would be outside my particular area if confirmed—but part of the problem is we are a very overly medicated society

1:49:27 Huge amounts of opioids are prescribed legally for things that in the past would probably not receive that level of medication. So the point is huge, huge problem getting worse and the profits are just unbelievable to the cartels that control the whole marketing and transport. Yeah which would be big pharma is the cartel you're referring too I like that he's thinking that way though they were over medicated Hey, he's right. It's interesting yeah now

1:50:04 For some reason, well not for some reason but the fear-mongering. I should mention something there's and for people out there that may be an addict or two in our audience and it was the reason that the guy like this 62 year old is a problem getting off this stuff if you ever get addicted you probably should avoid it but the problem is that especially with heroin you start using it and you build up a tolerance and you start using more and more and more yeah And then so you get to like, instead of using one X. You get to peak heroin? Yeah yeah peak heroin say your 5X and then you get off it somehow and then you somehow want to go back for some reason you're depressed I don't know what causes people to backslide but apparently they do They start with their old dose that kills them Right off the bat because they don't have the resistance Well its very sad Now

1:50:58 What is... and I'm a little, uh, I don't know if I'm surprised or not but so President-elect Trump has said we're going to repeal and replace Obamacare the Affordable Care Act which we know a lot about here on the show. That's gonna be the first order of business and we're going to sign the repeal and then we're going to within the same hour maybe signed the new deal And from what I understand, there have been plans around for a long time. There's a lot of different plans but everywhere I look everywhere I try to find out what are the plans? I hear they don't even have a PLAN!

1:51:36 Well, it turns out they do have a plan and Rand Paul is the man with the plan. Actually I don't want to delay the repeal. I'm all for the repeal as soon as we can get to it but we should vote on replacement the same day and I'm putting together a bill that'll be out this week that will be a consensus replacement bill there are many bills probably 50 different Republican bills some of them may have been out two in three decades for the replacement part What we want to do in the replacement is legalize the ability to buy inexpensive insurance, get rid of the Obamacare mandates. Let any insurance product be sold particularly inexpensive insurance products that's number one let people save tax-free give them tax credits for health savings accounts so they can buy insurance and then the third thing we want to do is let individuals come together as part of groups

1:52:27 or associations so they can buy their insurance as part of a big pool to have leverage to get lower prices and also say don't get affected by adverse things like uh... pre-existing conditions and so basically we put together the most popular and i think there is a consensus i think it'll pass overwhelmingly in the house the question in the senate is will democrats be willing to work with us to replace obama care They won't. Oh no, of course they won't! But what do you think of the general plans? The way I hear it is they're going to deregulate the industry which is arguably one of the problems

1:53:06 You know, you can't sell across state lines and there's all these fiefdoms. That's a plus to be able to sell across state lines but that's a temporary fix. I'm...and it was well, you know, I like the idea of...I think it's too late do anything other than an aggressive single payer and that means Medicare, Medicare not Medicaid Big difference, Medicare for everyone. Medicare's been in place nobody bitches about it and in fact you'll lose votes if you run on an anti-Medicare ticket anyone over 65 will not vote for you period because everyone over 65 who uses Medicare likes it they all like it even though its a government program but there is no bitching about it so if it's so good that all these old farts like

1:53:56 Why don't you just extend it to everybody? That's what doesn't make sense to me. Everyone that brings it up, all the Republicans and all the guys, all of Republicans and Democrats are on the pockets of the pharmaceutical companies. And oh no we can't do that! We have to do this, we have to do something else because the whole thing is based on a complete scam relating to the pharmaceutical companies. I need to write this up so it's more clear, but that's all it's about. That's the only reason all these prices have skyrocketed because the pharmaceutical companies figure well we got the...we could just jack up the price. Well do not discount

1:54:31 the two companies that own all the hospitals. I mean, they're also completely out of control. That's another issue which is a problem and then the other thing is because this is all going to insurance companies and not the government you talk to any doctor who's sensible who handles all these insurance networks, as it were. They spend all their time on the phone they have full-time people arguing with everything they prescribe and everything they recommend if it involves a prescription and they have to fight it and fight it and fight it and then there always give us in at the end my doctor just bitches about this incessantly

1:55:10 I, you know the single payer is a big dispute. A lot of people do not like that idea at all at all at all. Of course they don't because they've been brainwashed not to like it. I've lived in single payer and i didn't like it thats me thats my experience thats not brainwashing I lived it sucks yeah? You couldn't do anything private you couldn't do your own thing on the side well yes of course I could what's wrong with that hmm because And I just saw that it doesn't work for people who can't afford private. So what you're saying is that because, first of all the French system works quite well and people like it? I'm not familiar with the French system. I've only lived in UK and the Netherlands... People aren't that bitchy about the Canadian system which is why all the Canadians come here for their operations please don't insult me. Okay but what's wrong with that? Nothing! But they're running away from their system

1:56:09 for certain things, because there's usually a waiting list because the system is abused. You know most people in Canada and the United States everywhere except France I think Switzerland Germany maybe yeah they got these crappy systems because they just abuse the poor that what happens in the DHS all they do is you listen to British Parliament and this is all this complaining about four hour wait! And so their moaning and groaning constantly because they hate the commoners If you hate your public and you treat them like crap, which is what the British seem to do with their DHS Yeah It's gonna be a crappy system But you turn it around in the particular system we had most people didn't have an any sort of insurance at all So they have to go into they have to wait for our you want a four hour wait? Yeah You go to the emergency room. You wait six hours. You'll wait eight hours. What's the emergency room that's acceptable None of this would well

1:57:06 A well done single-payer system that wasn't rife with corruption and hatred for the poor would work fine. It can be done! And the example is? France I brought up this example with a guy like you, and he says... What do you mean? You mean an incredibly handsome intelligent dude. Exactly! He says well France is a different story. I can't speak about France if France not let seems to happen in general so that's... People move from England to France for their long term health care Yes because the NHS is so shit exactly yes because they hate the commoners

1:57:48 Okay, say hatred of the poor. All right well I'll give you this and I do not agree I would love to see it outside of single-payer first But I will give you this, the single payer would of course require incredible negotiations with the insurance companies. But as you point out, uh, the pharmaceuticals and the entire healthcare industry and there would have to be negotiations to get the prices down significantly. And, uh, I think Trump would be the guy that do that, but I don't know if that's the plan. I don't think they're going to go in that direction. Well, Trump has thought about single pair. He used to be a single pair advocate.

1:58:26 But he's not gonna do it because the Republicans aren't gonna go for it. As far as they're concerned, these pharmaceutical companies can rip off the public and nobody cares. Let's have a hearing... Oh, it's free enterprise! So they will have to pay Medicare will have to pay the doctors more because a lot of doctors don't take Medicare patients hatred of the poor maybe but also because it really doesn't cover their cost so that'll have to go up You can do a hybrid system that I think would work fine. Okay Well, we'll see. It's doable! They're not going to do it I just mentioned this is just that people most people on Medicare like it and they'll vote against you if you go against it so why is that? Why do they like it so much and then that's the socialized medicine system that single-payer in this country. I'm thinking you have Medicare? It's single payer in this country yes why do they like it so much Do you have it? Do you like it

1:59:27 Not that old. No me neither, but what's my official age? I can't remember 64 Here is some good news though on that on the health front Trump has named Robert Kennedy as the lead on the panel on vaccine safety. I like that, yeah get the crazy crackpots in there! Well they got an anti-global warming head of the EPA... Yeah They have an anti-vaxxer that's the head of Health and Human Services Gotta love it I mean, there's humor here. There was some protester who was during Tillerson's... Who I like by the way! I love listening to him again and I wasn't watching it just listening He reminds me of Jonathan Winters The 2000 year old man? Is that it? No Jonathan Winters is a very famous stand-up comic Yeah but didn't he do the bit with the 2000 year old man? No no thats Mel Brooks and Carl Wright Oh sorry

2:00:29 So, Jonathan Winters did these characters and one of the characters that he did was Tillerson. It's exactly Tillerson! Only the older members of the audience will get their reference. So Tillerson is testifying or answering questions and then a protest like, give the State Department to Exxon! And I'm thinking to myself are you kidding me? The State Department has been working on Exxon's behalf for decades. Forever? Yes, it's their extraction unit. Maybe... How naive are people?! And maybe we'll have better deals without killing people if we do it their way! I don't know. It's just a thought. However in the United States of Gitmo Nation Europe things are not good

2:01:19 and things are not good at all. There's a lot of problems, particularly with the entire concept of the European Union, which is amongst other things which was sold to people as freedom of movement. Yes we're back to talking about Schengen it's in danger. Officials from Denmark Sweden and Germany have been at emergency talks in Brussels amid mounting concerns over new border controls that comes after Sweden introduced ID checks on all people traveling to Denmark and Denmark tightened controls on its frontier with Germany. It's down to double blow to the Schengen area. We all agreed that the Schengen free movement

2:02:00 must be safeguarded both for citizens and economy. Sweden took in more than 160,000 migrants last year many of them having traveled through Denmark it's the largest number for any EU country in relation to its population and has put a huge strain on services that's why the government decided to impose stricter controls now we of course know that Denmark are the happiest people on earth So wait a minute, so they're going through Denmark which isn't really attached to Sweden but you can take that new train into Melmo. That's funny! Yeah. So Denmark happiest people on earth also the most medicated people on earth but might want to just keep that secret

2:02:46 They're also a little tired of the migrants. The fun loving Danes who have everything perfect, education healthcare oh and have some migrants Denmark has agreed to back controversial changes to its immigration laws among the proposals is a new measure to take away refugees possessions worth around one and a half thousand euros to pay for their stay Last week the Danish Prime Minister made clear the amount refugees could keep would be raised from the 400 euros initially suggested. A backlash over the rise in asylum seekers in Denmark has put the minority centre-right government under pressure It has just 34 seats out of 179 in Parliament and depends on the support of parties to the right of center including the anti immigrant Danish People's Party Oh, yeah Come here with your money!

2:03:37 That is so funny. Hey, you can come in here but you need to give us some money. While we're floating around Europe let's listen to Question Time. Ah yes! We love the questions. With the Prime Minister and I have two clips here and one of them is very interesting. The first one is Question Time this is the Scots One of the Scots, the Scots are always in Parliament bitching about stuff and here's the Scot's complaint. It has been over six months since European referendum embarrassingly for the Prime Minister The Scottish Government is it only administration on these islands have published a plan on what to do next Has the prime minister read it yet?

2:04:24 Has the Prime Minister read it yet? And when will she be publishing her own plan? Well can I join the Honourable Gentleman in wishing everybody in the House, not only members but all of the staff of the House a very happy new year. Can I say to him that as I said to the liaison committee when I appeared before them on Christmas, I will in a matter of weeks be setting out some more details about our proposals on this issue But I would like just to remind the Honourable Gentleman when he talks about the Scottish Government's plan that of course it is his party, the Scottish Nationalist Party that wants to leave United Kingdom and therefore leave the European Union. That's her zinger! There is nothing like Parliament you just say hey let me talk about this Hey I got something on my mind Yeah I'm really pissed off about something

2:05:18 So the head of the Scots is Angus Robertson. I always get a kick out of him and he's always got the most nasty things, and then he brings up a point which i think was completely obscured in American media for a number of reasons but let's listen to his question time this is Angus bitching about a situation that's evolved in Northern Ireland. Mr Robertson, the Prime Minister has indicated that she wants to take the views of the elected representatives and the devolved institutions on Brexit seriously so it stands to reason then but if there is no Northern Irish Assembly

2:05:55 and there is no Northern Irish executive for much of the time before the March timetable that she has set before invoking Article 50, that she'll be unable to properly consult, to fully discuss and find agreement on complex issues during this time period. In these circumstances will the Prime Minister postpone invoking Article 50 Will she postpone Article 50 or will she just plough on regardless?

2:06:30 It's about ensuring, as he says we want to ensure that we do hear the views from all parts of the United Kingdom. That is why we have established the JMC European Committee specifically to take the views and the JMC plenary which is also obviously meeting more frequently than previously and I'm clear that first of all we want try to ensure within this period of seven days we can find a resolution to the political situation in Northern Ireland so that we can continue to see the Assembly government continuing. But I'm also clear that in the discussions that we have, it will be possible... It is still a case that actually ministers are in place and obviously there are executives in place but we're still able to take views of the Northern Ireland people. Order! Clear! Alright, explain to me exactly what's going on? The way I left- The way we left it

2:07:24 I thought we were going to find out from the courts if Parliament had to have a say in the triggering of Article 50. What exactly did we learn? This is no, this is a completely different complication The Irish government which has not been reported by any news media here for some unknown reason collapsed! There's no Irish government The Northern Ireland. You mean the cabinet fell? Northern Ireland had done a shared power thing so they would have their own little parliament with the first deputy minister and then, uh... First Minister and Deputy Minister Everyone's quit! They bailed out because of this Ash for Cash scandal which i think is the reason that no one wants to talk about this because it was in environmental idea

2:08:11 called Ash for Cash, part of something called RHI which was the reusable heating initiative I believe. Are we back to the back page story? Did you say Ash for Cash? Ash for cash. It turned out that the Greenies, you know the global warmists in Ireland in 2012 set up this system to get people to stop using coal horrible coal and so they came over with this incentive plan... Oh it's a global warming thing? Yeah! And so they came up with this incentive plan to get people to use pelletized wood. Hey, that's really good though! Pelletized wood you can use to run your car

2:08:57 Yeah, I guess. And it's you gotta know how you do it but I guess it's possible now this would tell first have a bitch about these wood pellets Horowitz bought one of these things and it kind of bugs me I was irked by it because I've seen these these are barbecues that use this pelletized wood You can buy them Costco has him once in awhile some guys will come in there and they're sellers pelletized wood barbecue. Why would you just buy some charcoal or some real wood, throw it in there? Now I want these pellets. Now pellets are in the Pacific Northwest and very familiar with this because there's a bunch of furnaces and other items that you can buy that use these pellets You buy a sack of these pellets, they're pretty cheap. And there's like some sort of little pieces of wood that have been turned and... Are they green? Are they friendly for the environment or are they recycled? Well, they're supposed to burn at better efficiency so they're much better for the environment

2:09:50 But I see them as like, they're like miniature little miniature those logs you can buy and burn in the fireplace. You know what? I bought a couple of those for Tina she has a fireplace at her apartment Yeah And this was Christmas and the only place that could buy anything was Whole Foods and I go in and get some logs They're made from...and very expensive! They are made from recycled coffee grounds I know One of the things, Presto logs just as an aside. Presto logs I was when I was working as an inspector at the Chevron refinery

2:10:27 There's different layers, I think I've told this story on the show before. There's different layers of you know you got your aromatics that come off the distillation tank there's all these or the distillation tower there's all these different products that come off of the process that goes on in their refineries all these different processes and when you're done and through with when you pretty much gotten everything you could out of a gallon of oil mm-hmm there's this goop ah ha ha left famous gold bottoms And bottoms is just like, there's nothing they can do with it. But ah no there is something they can do with it! It's this horrible goo they use to make these presto logs. That's what sticks first you get a bunch of sawdust and then drop this goo in there which is probably the most unhealthy stuff to breathe its got all the heavy metals everything about it has gotta be bad but that's what these presto logs are made from which your sawdust mixed with this crap

2:11:21 So this is, and I'm always thinking that these wood pellets have an element of that because if you look at these little wood pellets they're like miniature Presto logs. They're very small little pieces but to get a shine to them which makes what's the shine from? It's gotta be a chemical. And we are against this because it's dumb I think it's dumb. Yeah, so anyway...so the Irish decided this one deputy minister or the minister she's decided that we're gonna have this program and it turns out that the incentives were such that the...and was only for farmers and industry and they determined these whistleblowers came, and nobody paid any attention to them. Saying hey these farmers are using this to heat their barns! Their barns are now being heated which is stupid on a farm but it turns out the more that they used, more pellets they used, the more money they could make on these rebates for every dollar they spent on these pellets, they got $1.60 back. So this became this huge scandal in Ireland that has brought down the government

2:12:23 Oh, I didn't know this at all. This is very interesting." And so the government...there's no government there now and the British don't know what to do because they have to be involved in the Brexit and all of that stuff. Of course! So they're going to have a kind of quick election to try to put some people in but this could take months but the whole thing is because it's some do-gooder. Oh global warming? They're burning coal we can't have that let's not burn coal lets burn these pellets which are obviously some pellet makers making tons of money And it's just a fiasco. None of it is being covered, and I think the reason why it's not being covered because there's another example of these do-gooders that are

2:13:01 Screwing up the world story of our lives Do-gooders. Hey, I want to get us into the donation segment but I got a clip which in context of our value for value Which we started? Mmm about six seven yeah about seven eight years no About five years after Five or six years, maybe seven years. After this statement was made and our concept of how the internet should work and how media will work... In this case it's relating more to the music business but I think you'll enjoy this. For this I want to go- Can you get in the time machine? Yeah hang on. Oh there we go! 1999 welcome hey John Hey man! Hey dude 1999 we're here! Alright Prince is still alive it's beautiful

2:13:57 You know who else is alive? David Bowie. David Bowie is from the future and we listen to him now, from 1999. The internet carries the flag of being subversive and possibly rebellious and chaotic nihilistic Oh yes it is. Forget about the microbes... And by the way, he's talking with Jeremy Paxman who was like what is this internet thing? It was 1999 so you remember. Yeah probably. What is an internet thing? Check the calendar! About a micro soft element that monopolies do not have a monopoly maybe on programs. What you like about the fact to what you like about it is the fact that anyone can say anything

2:14:40 or do anything? From my stand, from where I am because of the by virtue of the fact that i'm a pop singer and writer. I really like embrace the idea that there's a new demystification process going on between the artist and the audience because the vocabulary of rock is too well known it's a currency that has not um... it's not devoid of meaning anymore but he certainly only a conveyor of information now its not a conveyor of rebellion And the internet has taken on that, as I say. So I find that a terribly exciting area. So from my standpoint being an artist... ...I'd like to see what the new construction is between artist and audience There is a breakdown. Personified by the rave culture of the last few years Where the audience is at least as important as whoever's playing at the rave

2:15:34 It's almost like the artist is to accompany the audience and what the audience are doing. And that feeling is very much permeating music, and permeating the internet. But what is it specifically about the internet? I mean anybody can say anything... And it all adds up to what I mean seems to me. There's no there's nothing Cohesive about it in the way that there was something cohesive about the route you I love how this guy is thinking You know like but what an old-fashioned douchebag, but this is what they put the pollution in music Oh But absolutely and because I think that we at the time up until at least the mid 70s really felt that we were still living under the

2:16:15 in the guise of a single and absolute created society, where there were known truths and known lies. And there was no kind of duplicity or pluralism about the things that we believed in. That started to break down rapidly in the 70s... ...and the idea of duality in the way that we live. There are always two-, three-four-, five sides to every question. The singularity disappeared and that, I believe has produced such a medium as the Internet which absolutely establishes and shows us that we are living in total fragmentation. I don't think we've even seen the tip of the iceberg. I think the potential of what the Internet is going to do to society both good and bad is unimaginable! I think we're actually on the cusp of something exhilarating and terrifying

2:17:14 It's just a tool though, isn't it? No. It is not. No... no it's an alien life form! But that's..it's simply a different delivery system then You're arguing about something more profound Oh yeah I'm talking about the actual context and the state of content Is going to be so different from anything we can really envisage at the moment Where they interplay between user and provider will be so insimpatico Its going to crush our ideas mediums are all about. Yes! You know where he got all those thoughts, right? From the grave? Tech TV Oh really?! Yeah when he was in... He has a place or did have a place in Bermuda and tech tv was available there and he watched it as a religious watcher of all material What does insympatico mean

2:18:08 It means the same as simpatico, I think. Well the reason why- first of all let's go back to- Let's go back hop into- get back into- I hate time travel. Oh God, it makes me nauseous. It hurts! He was so spot on though that and you can hear the legacy media mainstream media the old guy going yeah just a tool it's just a different delivery mechanism maybe we sell this with cable is worth the big deal and now when you hear this it makes so much sense than and I would say...I'm not quite sure

2:18:45 If the universe gave us these ideas or however it happened, but I think we've been riding though the crest of the wave with our value for value proposition. And and I think Bowie's absolutely right and the people who do not innovate music business television news business printed news business you don't innovate your gonna die it's just that slow motion and they're all thinking is just another delivery mechanism Yeah, well I can see where you come from. How you could think that right is a delivery mechanism It is a delivery mechanism But the what Bowie said and of course Bowie is God what you take when you know What is happening between the audiences and the what he called them? The artists or produce? I mean this this is why our supporters of this program are called producers for this very reason as they are

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2:24:00 Hey, El Cerrito California is just down the street. And finally a short list... I'm waving now. Shortlist Kyle... Michael Meyer? Meyer. The arrow is right on top of it. He's in Atlanta Georgia that concludes our little list of people that helped on show 894. Yes and I have two notes here that I wanted to read let me see First one, oh yeah this was nice. This was from Scott He is a dude named Ben A few shows back you and John were discussing pens The dude name Ben full stack e-commerce developer for Newell brands Waterman is one of our fine writing brands Did you receive a pen? Yes I got a watermen pen Yeah paper made me too

2:24:51 Very nice know this. This was news to me that paper mate was owned by Waterman no other way around oh yeah Appreciate that yes, I like that pen but you know these joy pens I always expect to get it But it was he's not like one of the guys in the marketing department we would have gotten a case The dude name Ben gets gets one Yeah, did you do named been probably gets a discount? Yes, okay? You got to pay for it exactly so we have a note here mm-hmm I thought it'd be worth reading. I'm a 28-year old gay male, millennial living in Oyster Bay New York home with Theodore Roosevelt. I hope Eddie sent a little pin as a commemorative pin first time donor longtime listener you both provide an insight of what's happening in the world that I cannot get from the media or my friends As a fellow free thinker You can imagine how having different opinions can make one feel alone your twice weekly podcast reminds me that I'm not The only one who sees through the curtain

2:25:49 I love you both and thanks for the sanity. If possible, could have a de-douching and some job karma." And then he has little PS here. He works for Scott's Miracle Grow, our large petrochemical company for home garden care. A few weeks ago, you guys were mentioning investing in marijuana. It's going to be huge as you're already aware of this is tip for people. Two years ago we started a company called Black Magic that specialized in hydroponic gardening products for weed The company is modeled after Budweiser, starting or investing heavily in craft beer companies. We've had unbelievable growth we're buying everyone and this is what's gonna happen." There's a lot of innovation coming out- What company is this? Scott's Miracle Grow Symbol SMG That was what I was looking for! What's the stock symbol? This is Mickey so uh... we'll give him that stock tip Yes that's a great stock tip but even more important can we get some other hydroponics

2:26:47 Well, maybe if you're gonna grow it yourself. Yeah... Maybe? Anyway so I'd give him he wants a Jobs Karma and something else. And a de-douching. Okay well let me de-douche him right now. You've been de-douched! Final note from Timothy Kiernan He sent me book A book is from Dr Pippa Malmgren Not sure if you are familiar with that book But he says it reminded me a lot about the No Agenda show, so I'm gonna read that and I appreciate that. And of course we want to thank everyone who came in under $50 usually for reasons of anonymity It does happen still and of course people on our subscriptions are 1111s 1212 3333 or even the five dollar month anything you do helps and you are

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2:28:23 Yes, I wanted that. And also want to mention that this stock tip is not really a stock tip and it's nothing we're advising anyone to buy. It's just something I read. Yes, this is true. Contact your professional investment advisor. Thank you. Your professionals. Yeah, I love that. Alright do we have one night? We got uh no two nights one day So that calls for the big blade today John if you can whip it out Whip it out boy! Whip it out! Whipping! Whoa! That's a big one All right, we need Robert Bruckner John R. Hall and Shannon Brame all to join us here on stage On the podium next to the lectern you three have contributed to The No Agenda Show the best podcasting university amount of $1 000 or more therefore You could take place at the round table for the knights and the dames And I am very proud to pronounce the KD

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2:30:06 It must have been five years ago at this point. We talked about the huge leviathan field, gas natural gas field which is claimed predominantly by Israel and it's in the Mediterranean as Jordan claims a little bit of it and of course we've had Nobel Energy who owns the contract which was expertly negotiated by their consultant William Jefferson Clinton So everyone's all in and this thing is starting to ramp up. Now it's been a couple of years and the idea of almost any gas play is to get the gas to the number one customer in the world, which is Europe. And while we're doing that try and cut off all of Russia's I'll say pipelines make sure whatever you do F Russia take our gas now well it's true

2:31:02 So now... That's what they want, but the price is better with the Russian stuff. Yes. Now the problem is that the pipelines will be partially underwater and Noble Energy has always planned to get this into Europe through Cyprus and then off into Greece and then we can go off into other parts of the EU. Cyprus is in play right now Very underreported. Talks in Geneva on the reunification of Cyprus have reached a crucial point Greece has suggested Turkey has a 28.2% share of the island while the Turkish delegation is pushing for 29.2%.

2:31:46 The UN envoy to Cyprus said there was still work to do but added that discussions to resolve the 42-year division are on track and many contentious issues have been resolved. The aim of talks is to establish a two state federation with both sides sharing power The Greek, Turkish and British foreign ministers are expected to join discussions in the Swiss city on Thursday. Talks between the two sides on the internal issue of politics finished tonight with the exchange of maps for the first time in over a decade Now this is a big deal I don't know about reunification I could not find out exactly why that one extra percent makes a difference for Turkey

2:32:28 But I can bet it has something to do with not allowing a pipeline to come through or some other maybe to have it come through go to Turkey. I mean, Turkey is the number one partner right now with Russia for all of the new pipelines that are going to be going into Europe this isn't play and there's what 30 thousand Turkish troops already in Cyprus we could see a civil war breakout Well, there's been borderline civil war breaking out in Cyprus for decades. Yes but now it's about real money about the gas pipelines I think we're going to see a lot of crazy crap coming down

2:33:08 We'll let the shooting commence. We'll be on top of it for you! I put in the show notes a number of images, you can find it under the Cyprus heading and it shows how these pipelines will run. Fascinating stuff to see how this is playing out and uh... The Brits are involved not just for any reason they have interests in oil and gas But Turkey with going from 28.9 to 29.9, there's something about that I haven't figured out maybe one of our listeners or producers will have an idea about it but I see trouble ahead for Cyprus. Remember when they locked down all the banks? Russian money? They stole all the money! Yeah yeah with the bail-in

2:33:54 Well, it's an old trick. It could happen anywhere. It's an oldie but a goody! So while you're discussing Russia I might as well do this because it brings up kind of the theme of our show... This is Chris Matthews and this clip is with Chris Kuhns who was one of the Democrat senators and Matthews kinda asks the question You'll hear it, but the question about Russia because he's kind of befuddled himself like I think most of the public is.

2:34:37 Because they carried out a cyber attack on our election because they've been carrying out aggression against Ukraine and threatening our NATO allies in Europe Undermining our Western European allies and have engaged in I think also war crimes in Syria So it's a fairly assertive aggressive Russia under Vladimir Putin Well Trump clearly sides with Tellerson and against you he thinks there's a hope for some kind of alliance with Putin, what do you think? An alliance I think would be overstating it. What Mr Tillerson said today and i would agree with this point was that Russia's our adversary but there are certain areas where we could be partners nuclear non-proliferation fighting against terrorism working to improve some of our

2:35:19 our to focus. It's a some extent. Of course, Chris it is possible that we could reach some agreements that would make our world more safe and would reduce conflict but that cannot include turning a blind eye to their annexation of Crimea or their crimes in Syria Okay thank you so much Chris Coons on the Foreign Relations Committee What do you leave out?

2:36:18 Snowden! I see, i'm afraid to say it. I don't know...I'm not saying it anymore. This whole thing started in 2013 this hatred of Russia and making Russia the bad guy and that started in 2013 when Snowden they refused to give up Snowden because we have no extradition treaty with the Russians probably for a lot of reasons But if we don't have the extradition treaty, we can't demand somebody to be extradited. Why don't we just stop beating around the bush and say OK Snowden's there? He stuck there and that's that. We don't have to like turn this into this never ending battle with all his bull crap right in his laundry list. There was all bull crap

2:37:01 Oh, this and that. I mean nobody likes to mention that Newland and the Americans are the ones who caused a problem in Ukraine which resulted... Yeah maybe never gets meant never gets it let's just let's remind everybody we remember yes we do um so uh i caught a bit from Judge Napolitano speaking of pardons And this is regarding the FBI Clinton email records release they did. Was that Friday before Christmas as well? I think it was, right? Yeah, there's a lot of releases. Well it's explained here... 300 pages of documents released by we don't know who within the FBI which had possession of them turning them over to the public to see

2:37:56 And they suggest clearly that there are a lot of misunderstandings about what was held by Mrs. Clinton, what was communicated by her and to her of a highly sensitive nature? The highly sensitive nature was 301 pages of emails which Mrs. Clinton sent on a regular basis to a non-government person We have reason to believe that that was Sid Blumenthal with whom she emailed on a daily and regular basis several times a day But what we now know, what Donald Trump feared and argued during the campaign and what rogue FBI agents who profoundly disagreed with Director Comey's decision to recommend against indictment was true. That the information Mrs Clinton regularly sent to her emailer

2:38:42 was hacked by foreign intelligence agencies of countries unfriendly to us and friendly to us. And sources tell Fox News those were Russia, China—unfriendly Israel—friendly This is the smoking gun if ever there was one this it ramps up the case for her prosecution to the point where, ironically it may also ramp up the case for President Obama to issue her a pardon and take this off of Donald Trump and Jeff Sessions' desks. But if he doesn't do that, the pressure on the Attorney General from the FBI agents who conducted the investigation who probably posted this stuff last night during the Giants-Packers game will be very difficult for him to resist. And I'm thinking Obama is going to let it ride!

2:39:32 I bet he loves that. Yeah, he'll...you know, nah, I'm not gonna pardon you." Enjoy sessions! Well, this is a very interesting pickle because yeah they could pardon her and there's a way of pardoning for stuff that she's going to be indicted for later. There's something called the special kind of a pardon. We know you're a criminal and they're gonna pardon in advance He won't do that in a million years. So they'd have to indict her before, which means in the next week because the 20th is coming up it's next Friday. That's right yes

2:40:11 So he has to pardon her before Friday of next week. I just don't see it happening and i think that's why everyone was, well we're not going to do anything uh Trump made a big deal about saying they're not gonna do anything oh Hillary is fine she just lost election so the setup is FBI demands it that's the setup That's the setup. I don't think Comey is gonna do that No but you know I have my doubts about Comey He might do it after the inauguration Yeah, that's what I'm saying. Possibly after the inauguration... That's my point. Yeah no, sorry. But you know, Comey is not clean and I don't see him as a clean guy. He has shit on his hands from HSBC he's definitely deeply involved but he's an FBI agent so he knows how to protect his ass. He also is politically savvy. He can do that now before the 20th because it looks suspicious

2:41:07 Because in two or three months he can do it saying, well we've been working on and working on and working on. We have to be very thorough because this is a public figure and all the rest of it. He can three six months from now it's even better but once that happens Trumps not gonna pardon her thats for sure. Hey everybody, it's time for Tech News! Where the hornys always never do what we do. Because we're much better than them I have two tech news segments. I don't think you have anything for us today but i will play my two tech news segments. I do not. Alright here is number one Hi there its Ashley Carver from... Oops. Norway has become the first country in the world to begin switching off its FM radio network What? Who?

2:41:56 Norway has become the first country to switch off its radio FM network. Norway has become the first country in the world to begin switching off its FM radio network For the moment, this scheme applies only to northern Nordland but the whole country will be digital by the end of the year The government says DAB Radio will save money, allow more broadcasters and sound better. But that is only if people can hear it. New products will be introduced onto the market over the next few months They'll have tactile buttons and a text-to-speech function Critics say that while FM programs in mountainous Norway need many transmitters and is costly, reception at the launch was poor and especially elderly people particularly dependent on the radio with first-generation DAB sets will have to upgrade to DAB plus devices.

2:42:46 2.3 million car owners will have no DAB in their vehicles either." Now this DAB stuff, which I've followed for a long time because UK has DAB and the Netherlands has DAB... it's pretty much been a failure We have a version of it we've had it for years called HD radio Right But its a failure It's been all over the place! I can get HD Radio- I don't get it HD Radio's been- Right but HD Radio still is broadcast on regular FM transmitters This is DAB, which requires a different transmitter. I think different frequencies and it's all digital you need new receivers. I'm going to look into that i'm not sure if it was broadcast on the same system as FM

2:43:35 All I know is that nobody uses it. Right, and but... It's a huge flop! I think this is you know the government Is forcing people into a digital only mode which they control whereas you just get on the interwebs It's not a good thing. It's not a good thing and Finland should fight against this I don't know why they let that happen is very and I like there was a mega FM is government-controlled if you think about it, but that's my point That's my point If there's no improvement No, there's no improvement. There's no reason for it. No it's completely completely I don't see that the cost savings either that they keep talking about no I think it'll only more and everyone has to buy new receivers And yeah, I know it's a scam not a me what they do is they want all those frequencies for other things You know they're gonna well They did that with digital TV yeah, and they got away with it now

2:44:28 And I remember when they went through the process, they had these little cards. You get a free card you get a discount. There's all these deals. You have to buy a little converter that turned your regular broadcasting into digital. Bought a couple of them because they were cheap and then everything seemed like an improvement. I think it is but this distinct improvement HD radio is not right And then I have a report from the Consumer Electronics Show. One report, one report only that I picked up off of CNET and i'm very happy with this report because I'M FEELING A PAYDAY! Hi there it's Ashley Carman from The Verge and today we're checking out a new smart home robot named Curry Hey Curry

2:45:12 A company called Mayfield Robotics, which is a Bosch startup designed Curry with personality in mind. So the first thing you'll probably notice is Curry's eyes and demeanor. Similarly to the Amazon Echo or Google Home, Curry can play music on command over Bluetooth but there's no voice control just yet The key difference between the echo and the Google home and curry is that curry is on wheels so yes In theory you can have a robot bluetooth speaker following you around Curry moves around your house relying on a depth sensor to figure out where obstacles are, navigate around them and make sure it's in the right room. One of the ideas behind curry is that when you're not at home you can use it kind of like a surveillance robot It has a camera behind its eyes and you can watch the live feed through its companion app but...it technically dies after two hours of constant use so

2:46:00 you probably won't get a complete live feed of the entire day. Curry knows when its battery is running low though, so it'll automatically return to its dock so that it's pretty much always charged. Honestly during my demo with curry I thought the robot was super cute! Its eyes are expressive and it's adorable You can't help but want to play with it But with that said, Curry really didn't live up to his expectations Now why these people would not want curry dot com is beyond me They want it they need to buy that off of me I think so. What do you think? Well, what i think is... First of all, I think that everyone needs to be promoting this Promote that you should sell your domain name. Yes, yes, or he really didn't live up to its expectations There you go that's I love that curry really didn't live up to its expectations. Yes, that's me good So yeah, I think would be what do you think the main name? I've had it for 28 years You know 20 minutes beside the point but I'm you're smart But when you bought that you should about art calm oh wait a minute wait a minute stop no

2:47:05 They spell it K-O-U-R-I. Oh no! Oh no, oh jfff... Damnit. Alright closing out the segment No money for me! And the phone should be made out of Bakelite That's right that's your tech news for today and I get no money. No money. Too bad too bad What do you think it would have been worth? I would say, but I've always said a million dollars. That's where that's where that's where the bidding starts Well, I wouldn't sell it then if it was not a million bucks. I wouldn't sell it No, no, I should be by would say I think between two and five two and five million yeah Dream on no way Today's market. I believe that would be the case well you are hereby my agent If you can sell it, I'll give you 20%

2:47:56 Twenty, I tell you. 25%. There you go. You sell it for two to five million? Yeah if you sell it for five million, a million bucks! I think you should go for it. Yeah well five is the tough one but it's doable. I think that's what it was worth All right, let's wrap this up Johnny boy. Well, let's cat let's wrap it up by keep hooking up with the report that was buried by the Trump news The Fort Lauderdale shooter we forgot all about him for some reason Let's play this clip well We now know the identities of four of the five people who were shot to death at the airport in Fort Lauderdale on Friday they ranged in age from 57 to 84 all

2:48:36 All were either on their way to or returning from a cruise. Five others remain in the hospital The gunman made his first court appearance today He was assigned to public defender and denied bail David Begnaud is in Fort Lauderdale With a steely stare, Esteban Santiago was escorted into federal court. Feet shackled hands cuffed and shaking at times he did not explain his motive and said he only had five to ten dollars in this bank account This video obtained by TMZ appears to show Santiago firing randomly at Fort Lauderdale International Airport on Friday Prosecutors say Santiago shot 11 people killing 5 And when he ran out of ammunition He dropped his weapon and surrendered

2:49:21 A law enforcement source tells CBS News Santiago used this 9mm handgun in the shooting. It is the same gun the Iraq war veteran had with him when he went to an FBI office in Anchorage, Alaska last November claiming his mind was being controlled by US intelligence He said he was being forced to watch ISIS videos Santiago was committed for four days to be mentally evaluated One month later he petitioned to get the gun back from Anchorage police without a judge's order to commit him Police say they had no choice but to return it. Karen Loeffler is the U.S. Attorney for the District of Alaska. There is a federal law with regard to having a gun by somebody who was mentally ill, but the law requires that person be quote adjudicated mentally ill This is not somebody that would have been prohibited based on the information they had I think that law enforcement acted within the laws

2:50:12 that they have. David Weinstein is a former federal prosecutor was enough done with this guy? My gut tells me that they didn't do quite enough, they should have dug a little bit deeper to find out exactly what was going on inside his head when he gave them the gun and then when he asked for it back in court today Santiago said he spent the last few years in Anchorage Alaska working as a security guard Scott prosecutors say he confessed to planning this attack and apparently chose Fort Lauderdale at random Random really yeah, huh? That's a new piece of information. They still won't talk about the Muslim connection But that's so you know figure that right well We know we know the top FBI anti-terrorism Muslim guy was on the case So there's obviously something going on Yeah, they haven't really fleshed this out properly but there you have it all right, baby, buddy very nice

2:51:09 Good show, thank you John. Thank you all producers! From coast to coast Ocean to ocean Sea to shining sea All across Gitmo Nation Uh... Games for- no there's nothing it's Thursday There's nothing going on No, it's weekend Okay Oh good, good Excellente Alright everybody we will see you at episode 8 9 or 5 That will be on Sunday I will be coming to you from the Netherlands My sister Tiffany is turning 50 so I'm gonna do a quick trip out and back to just one show from the lowlands, but you never know. They're expecting a foot of snow in the Netherlands Could get stuck there Let's hope not Remember us at Dvorak.org slash NA for your support of The Financial Nature We appreciate all your tweets and emails and clips and art and everything you do Coming to you from the crackpot condo in the skyscraper here in downtown Austin The capital of the drone star state FEMA region 6 on government maps In the morning everybody

2:52:09 I'm Adam Curry. And from Northern Silicon Valley, where I remain...I am John C. Dvorak. We'll be back on Sunday right here on NO Agenda. Adios mofos! You are fake news people chilly. There's a myth that he was going to come out with what he knows, what can he know? That the intelligence communities don't know We do know that The intelligence communities don't know we do know that the intelligence communities don't know This is supposed to be like a celebration Like happy 6 month anniversary Occupy Movement and we fed people chilly and were enjoying each others company

2:53:11 Hey, let's rock against anger. I agree with that with anger...uh..with shock Really? Yes really When you went on Twitter all these people moaning and groaning about Clinton They're trolls all of them Paid! And as we know trolls are paid But they could be quasi-government trolls so they could be paid trolls that aren't with the government but i don't know Espionage implies to me at least passive Yeah okay Passive collection When it comes to espionage We better be careful about cops When it comes to fishing, we better be ready for rocks. Do you agree with that? That's a good metaphor It's a disaster I think what you want to do is back your team in all things First hear the information Fed people chilly In our tapestry if you will Like fed people chilly You would end up with anger and fined

2:54:02 Donate to No Agenda They give us shows week after week. Donate to No Agenda It's a show that is really unique. Donate to No Agenda, listen to John and Adam speak. Donate to No Agenda, science is turning into a clique. The title wins! Well Michael you raise great questions and frankly welcome to my world. Welcome to my wuja, wuja? Welcome to my wuja. Wuju! Yeah, welcome to my wuja Well Michael you raise great questions and frankly... Welcome to my world order. Welcome to my old world I think he wanted to say my new world order but it came out weird Wardrobe? Wardrobe! Welcome to my wardrobe. Welcome to my old world in which an awful lot of the things we do Wait, at least i want to hear the whole thing again. What a douche

2:55:02 Well, Michael you raise great questions and frankly welcome to my world. Would you like to try my bowler? My wardrobe which an awful lot of the things we know can't be shared I think he wanted to say my new world order but it came out... My wardrobe?! Welcome to my wardrobe! Welcome to my world in which an awful lot of the things... Wait, wait, I want hear the whole thing again What a douche Welcome to my world Curry really didn't live up to its expectations. Adios, mofo. The best podcast in the universe! Dvorak dot org slash N-A. Amen. Fist bump