Bernie and the Breach

00:00 Usually I'm just spinning. Adam Curry, John C. DeVorah It's Sunday December 20th 2015 time once again for your Gitmo Nation media assassination This is episode 783! This is no agenda Suffering from severe cingulomania and broadcasting live from the capital of the drone star state here in FEMA region 6. In the morning everybody, I'm Adam Curry! And from Northern Silicon Valley where The California Zephyr just went by, I am John C. DeVore. It's Crackpot & Buzzkill! Always happy when The Zephyr goes by... Yep Hey we have a new human resource in the family John

00:43 You have mice? No! Void0 and his partner Iris, they have a new human resource. Steven born on the morning of December 17th. Steven with a V or PH? With a... no it would've been Stefan if it was PH obviously. Steven with a V. With a V. Congratulations! Yeah kid looks beautiful kid Unbelievable yeah, it looks like a c-section. I have a key. I haven't gotten the details yet code early No, no It's how we won't be so healthy looking when it gets older. I think his name is Steven Ben void zero I'm not sure Stephen Penn have been Ben oh man Oh Ben I get it Ben aye aye aye aye Steven pens not a bad combination of names well But that's not his name now We're very happy for him

01:39 Yes, well you might as well explain to the audience listening in who VoidZero actually is. Oh I'm sorry but yeah we have our incredible staff and management here at The Best Podcasting Universe consists of Eric, the shill, uh...who does the preparation of the spreadsheet and the donations and the nightings and rings etc., And then we have VoidZero! Who runs the entire network, the CDNs, the streams, everything Yeah, we don't have like a like a producer. We have a guy who does it does this the big heavy lifting Very few I don't know of any other podcast that have that they have what a heavy lifter no most of them You know I think most of them go through some kind of you know hosting service as your pod being another thing pod pod track

02:32 No, pod track is a it's not of service. Oh they don't know they don't host as well I don't think so okay It matters not to my friend. You know it doesn't matter Well, I mean it does to us but to most people nobody cares as long as we get our stuff out yeah So uh I was yes Yes the debate well I was surprised to see that ABC did not pay the extra fee To request the overnight ratings That doesn't happen very often that you have an event and then you don't ask for the overnights, but they think... How come the Republicans are all on cable? All of the debates have been on cable. I do not know about it at all. Why does a Democrat get network TV? I don't know because he put it in the worst time in the world. Well, it still gave them approximately we think about 8 million viewers not bad for Saturday night on the network kind of hidden away

03:32 Well, yeah. Nobody watches TV on a Saturday night. It used to be a tradition in the 50s and 60s. Except for... Oh yeah! Remember? No it was Friday nights in our house growing up. Friday nights we'd all stay home and watch TV together as a family. And how did that work out? It worked out just fine. Not really, not really... Well let's start off with I got a clip that we might as well start off with which is there was you know there was a pre-promotion for the debates which was this kind of data breach. Oh yeah this was hmm just in time for a little bit of ratings or whatever the heck they were trying to accomplish with that

04:13 And Sanders pointed out something when he discussed this. He said that, this has happened before but no one ever made a big stink about it and sent out press releases. But Sanders of course didn't notice that you had nobody...I guess because you didn't have the debate the next day so you wouldn't need to do that because this was all publicity for the debates. But let's play...Sanders has a very interesting explanation. None of these was brought out in any of the... News stories that I read about it. I don't know but he kind of discusses in great detail This will be what clip would this be? Bernie and the breach Bernie and the breach The Clinton campaign called this a very egregious breach of data and ethics and said quote our data was stolen

05:02 Did they overstate this or were your staffers essentially stealing part of the Clinton playbook? All right, David Let me give you a little bit of background here The DNC has hired vendors on two occasions. There were breaches in information two months ago our staff found information on our computers from the Clinton campaign and when I was staffer said whoa what's going on here and They went to the DNC quietly. Whoa! They went to the vendor and said, hey- Can you just see him saying that? Whoa what's going on here?! There's gambling going on here!? Something is wrong and that was quietly dealt with none of that information was looked at our staff at that point did exactly the right thing a few days ago similar incident happened there was a breach because the DNC vendor screwed up information came Hold on a second hold on

05:59 This is the one time where glitch would have been more appropriate as a word. As opposed to screwed up? Well, breach! Breach means that... you know it's not like the data was pushing against the levy and it breached No, its a breach because someone broke into something I'm just pointing out the words he's using Well, he's implying that this wasn't anything anyone did overtly. Just the data showed up on their side. When I'm listening to this, I'm listening to it from the perspective that somebody somewhere on either side of the campaign... Yes? ...on Bernie's side or Clinton's side which is more likely is playing a dirty trick. I believe there is a connection between the vendor

06:45 And either Hillary or the Hillary campaign, there's some kind of friendly connection that I... Oh yes. He, let's see, Stu Trevelyan? The CEO worked for the 1992 Clinton-Gore War Room Campaign. Hello! Set up set up. Yeah, this is a setup stinky stinky setup dirty trick Stinky stinky setup and what's her name the dipshit head of the DNC? Debbie Wasserman Schultz The hair with it with a phony baloney Jerry curls no that's Jew hair she's in on it

07:28 Yeah, of course. Of course. That's why the ABC News camera is focused on her during most of this conversation But when you have Bernie using the word breach he I think he's kind of letting it slip that yeah Hold on a second something went on and unless his words don't matter the way he Well, he's Bernie. Days ago similar incident happened there was a breach because the DNC vendor screwed up information came to our campaign in this case Our staff did the wrong thing They looked at that information as soon as we learned that they looked at that information We fired that person. We are now doing an independent internal investigation To see who else was involved

08:11 Thirdly, what I have a real problem with and as you mentioned. This is a problem, I recognize it as a problem. But what the DNC did arbitrarily without discussing it with us is shut off our access to our own information crippling our campaign that is an egregious act. I'm glad that late last night that was resolved. Fourthly- Does it go first second third fourthly? I have no idea. It hit me last night, first he says secondly thirdly and then fourthly do you when you get to nine is it ninthly? Late last night that was resolved fourthly i look forward to working with secretary Clinton

09:00 For an investigation, an independent investigation about all of the breaches that have occurred from day one in this campaign because I am not convinced. Hold on all of the breaches? From day one. From Day 1 Hmm hmm and why is he shouting? Why am i shouting? That have occurred from day one in this campaign because I am not convinced That information from our campaign may not have ended up in her campaign. Don't know that, but we need an independent investigation and I hope Secretary Clinton will agree with me for the need of that Last point When we saw the breach two months ago We didn't want to run into the media And make a big deal about it

09:46 And it bothers me very much that rather than working on this issue to resolve it, It has become many press releases from the Clinton campaign later. But Senator you do mention the DNC the vendor but you said of your staff that they did the wrong thing Absolutely Does Secretary Clinton deserve an apology tonight? Yes I apologize. I noticed he didn't apologize until it was kind of forced into it. Yeah, just instantly. Not only do I apologize to Secretary Clinton and I hope we can work together on an independent investigation from day one... ...I want to apologize for my supporters! This is not the type of campaign that we run. There's a lot of info in that that he's given away And I think the fact

10:40 the CEO of NGP Van, I guess is the name of the vendor that he's a Clinton insider. Having worked in the Clinton Gore war room campaign. Come on Why did why do they even accept I guess it's DNC? I guess they have to accept it the DNC does what no the DMC which Schultz and Clinton got together and Clinton said, you know Here's a good guy that could do this job always just give him the gig And you know he helped the campaign while he's at well, he's there Because yeah great I got a... Sanders is a pain in the ass. I got a note from one of our producers who, I think works for the Republican campaign in... Where is it? What's the 425 area code? 425? Yeah Well let's find out Not too sure Anyway apparently there was a big conversation going on in well maybe this is uh lemme see Oh Washington! Washington State

11:46 Okay, makes sense. In Washington State the Democrats have opted to ignore the results of the primary and select their delegates solely through the caucus process They have a primary? I'm just reading what was sent to me...I don't know If you're going to do the caucus, you don't have a primary You just do the caucus Well they'll have the primary No no, have opted to ignore the results of the primary So in other words they are wasting taxpayers money This is one your pet peeves yes So they're going to go through the caucus process. That's according to... The Republicans and the Democrats? Democrats, but it's a Republican who is telling me this so probably true

12:29 Because they're so trustworthy, you see. Well they had up in Port Angeles is a big scandal gonna be part of Mimi's putting together a slate to get rid of the City Council and what's the scandal? The scandal is that the public voted didn't do get rid of fluoride because it's going to be renewed and they said the city council got devoted and say we're gonna keep it some corruption figure out It's like in Austin, they uh was it I think it was Friday night. They voted uh in the legislation for you know to require Uber to pay livery fees to have background checks. It may be uber may not even the app might not even work at this point same thing all kinds of agendas going on Austin that high-tech city of the future everybody

13:21 I'm gonna dump Uber. No, no Uber for you! As I was watching this... A couple of the comments about the Democratic debate on ABC last night from a television production standpoint um no national anthem? Do the Democrats hate the National Anthem? They hate America! But, you know, the Republican debates always have some...you know. Well, you know my feelings on this? Yeah, it's ridiculous I know, but still… So I think that's great. Why are they wasting our time? We're gonna hear the national anthem like during this because football is now all playoff games and so there's just wall-to-wall football every game they have to play the national anthem. Personally, I'll say it again, I've said before, I know it's boring

14:14 I don't see a basketball game or a football game, or a baseball game for that matter being an element of the US military or even the government. It is a game somebody's playing so why are we playing The National Anthem in front of it? Let's play The National Anthem before everybody's late night talk shows and here's Jimmy Kimmel but first heres' The National Anthem It's a- it's a d- it's a... look, it's a political thing. You'd expect that if you know I don't know. I don't really- oh hold on! Hold on! Oh no!

14:59 Who was it? The new human resource. I just got new information. Oh, that's good He was pushed out It's better not to be delivered by C-section and he looks good this kid Well he should look good Doesn't look all frumpy and squeezed Anyway so anyway I did not expect it I didn't know until you just mentioned that they didn't play the national anthem because who's...I find it awkward Talking from a television producer standpoint that I would have had the fight with you in In the pre-production meeting. I think we should have done the national anthem Yeah, you would've fought with I would have fun. I'm sure do like until you're giving up Second Hillary's outfit it was like Like a burlap sack it was dreadful and then they chad that back shot

15:50 It was not good. No and her hair look good well She will she but it was a helmet once again, and she's frosted it So she had the frost thing going on which I don't know I think I don't think that's a good look for her I think that she needs to still be a little more platinum ish and not You know, this kind of... it was grayish. Now that we're in this meeting I agree with you and I also think that a lot of the two shots they did on this thing were, I thought lame and it wasn't flattering to Hillary to have her staring at Bernie with that kind of, you know, school-marm look. Well also who was the guy's name? The ABC... Old Matt. Yeah who is that now? No no no. Who is that third guy over there? I mean the interviewers he had... Oh it was David Muir! So David Muir needs to go home but he had zero control over Hillary Clinton

16:47 And it was embarrassing and the faces, the grimaces he was making. But no! No no you must stop here... She just doesn't give a crap just steamrolled right through him. Oh yeah which I'm sure is exactly how she does policy meetings Just shut up, I'm talking. Here's what i don't get... She actually from a television production standpoint but also she was rude. We couldn't call which shot to take you know and the audio guys were freaking out because really what it results in is you don't understand when anyone sang and then I've never had this happen in a live show like this and that was very disappointing. Welcome back tonight as you can see we have a packed audience here in New Hampshire and we're going to continue, We've already had a spirited conversation... Now this right here there was already something very wrong. I've been too many live broadcasts Back in the day when they were in New York I would go to the Grammys when MTV still liked me And then

17:44 as we're in the commercial break, everyone because it's a big industry thing which I'm sure of these debates are there is a lot of industry people. and at their countdown to the end of the break. It's like, you must... Everybody, you must... Actually they do it more like We have 30 seconds left, 30 seconds Please everyone be seated, please be seated, 30 seconds left And they have ushers going through the aisles quickly Quickly quick! Sit down sit down sit down sit down sit down sit down shhh sit down sit down Nothing They came back and everyone still hanging out They're drinking martinis It looked like crap and then To add insult to injury Here at the top of the broadcast About Isis about the concerns of terror here on the home front and as we await Secretary Clinton backstage here We're going to begin on the economy. Okay, so of course he wasn't backstage But what he's saying is secretary Clinton is backstage and she's not coming out you want to turn to the American? Yeah, I found that awkward well hold on listen to the whole thing wages and raises in this country

18:40 And we believe Secretary Clinton will be coming around the corner any minute. But in the meantime, we want to start with this eye-opening number and Senator Sanders this question goes to you first... So they actually started the next question before Hillary was back on stage! In 1995, the median American household income was $52,600 in today's money This year it is 53,600. That's 20 more years on the job with just a 2% raise In a similar time frame, raises for CEOs up more than 250. She didn't quit! Sorry. Shari. All right the epitome of rudeness what was she doing? What did she have to do that she couldn't come back and more importantly why did production allow it to start why didn't David Muir who has been belittled by this woman the whole time say excuse me

19:33 Let's all call for Hillary. Hillary! Whatever, just some... don't just start the debate up again. Very unprofessional on all accounts. When I saw it there was two things that I noticed production-wise one is that when they went to when they came back from or they did one of those interstitial Yeah, Anderson and someone else talking. No I'm talking about the things that networks do nowadays to make it look like they're not running 40 commercials in a row They do 20 commercials and they come in says... And here we are at the Democrat debates will be right back after this Right, right Then you go right back to commercials

20:09 They did something like that and the stage was empty. Everybody was gone. Yes, yes, yes. Now I don't remember the Republicans of course you couldn't do with all these people but the Republicans stayed their ground they stood their ground they stated that at the podium's These three guys say three of them they all left and then came back in and Hillary didn't show up And then she comes wandering into a round of applause, making a grandstand. Then she says sorry which in a very wimpy way what and have you read anything this morning about the explanation for this? What was she up to? What would she use last time because not really late on the previous debate, but she said oh I'm sorry you know takes me a little bit longer to go to the restroom. She'd already used that one. I think she's backstage and she's getting advice you know they're telling her what to do. I think there's definitely...she is very prone to this. She needs lots of advice which i find distressing

21:03 I think it would be funny if she actually went into the control room and started complaining to the director. No, I don't think that's what she did but it was funnier. But there is no reporting... someone must know! Yeah, I'm sure she has six staffers all talking over her. Yes you do this make sure you don't do that. Do this turn left turn right. You know? Don't smile more It also a total jack move is what it is. Jack move It was like a power move that's a douchebag move. Jack move! I never heard this phrase Yeah, uh-uh...I'm learning it What do you mean you're learning it? It's a millenial phrase. I'm learning these things The millennials say jack move? Jack move yeah, jack move. It's a jack move I gotta write this one down and ask the millennials Ask the Millennials! Ask the Millennials

22:03 Okay, all right good jack move so that was it was a complete Jack move and then everything is just I don't know Yeah, I find it distressing when she did that. It's almost as though she does she's It was a, besides it's insulted everybody and actually insulted the entire idea of a Democrat debate. Oh and then she comes back on Shari which... And she said it in exactly the right demeanor exactly the right cuteness in there which really did the Hillary lovers just loved her that much. Aww she so cool! Oh man! Hillary! Ha ha! Yeah

22:40 So they asked Hillary about, you know her connection to big corporations. She's got some bullshit stories by the way They have a lot there was a lot of bullshit in this thing from both sides play this play Play that I have a clip here called two lies. I want you to identify the two lies sure Short clip. Okay, two lies here we go We now know that this couple had assembled an arsenal they were not on law enforcement's radar They were completely undetected well they were on law enforcement's radar and they weren't completely undetected but it was in 2012 yes So as we approach another holiday, with the president again saying late this week no credible threat. Secretary Clinton how confident should the American people be that there aren't others like that couple right now in the US going undetected and what would you do as President to find them? Well first, the most important job of being President is obviously to keep our country safe and to keep the families of America safe.

23:37 drives me up the wall. I take it back, I take what I said back earlier. The California Zephyr just went by that was another train this one and i want to stop this show This one had two private cars attached at the end and one of them was like a observation car from like the 1920's or something gorgeous observation car nice yeah but no I put ya know you know I put that Amen I put that into the clips to piss me off. Yeah, let's listen to it again Others like that couple right now in the US going undetected and what would you do as president define them?

24:16 Well, first the most important job of being president is obviously to keep our country safe and to keep the families of America safe. Now so the President when he was at the Pentagon said something similar but I want to show that there's a very subtle distinction The foremost job of the President for those who are new what what the oath is of the President the office of the President United States protect and uphold the Constitution. It says nothing about, uh... The first order of business is to keep the American people safe Now here's the president and he has put a twist on it which leads me to believe I have to give him a pass because you may have been listening As President and Commander-in-Chief my highest priority is the security of the American people I think if you add commander in chief to it then then you're okay

25:13 Well, you're giving him the benefit of the doubt on that one. I'm pretty... I think your original stance which i enjoy because it's exactly the same every time is still correct. There was a PBS NewsHour did a uh there wasn't a video piece but on their blog They did a piece which titled, what everyone's getting wrong about the president's number one job. And they explained the whole thing specifically that the number one job is to protect and uphold the Constitution. So there are people thinking about it in the mainstream media but still no one seems to care about the actual oath. And I don't even think they're protecting the Constitution with all their attacks on the Second Amendment

26:05 No. Well, it's not just that they have to uphold the Constitution And they're not attacking the Second Amendment. They should, that's what I'm advocating for attack the Second Amendment don't attack feeble-minded people people who have medical issues mental issues you know because here it says the slope you don't want to go down Here's one I thought was interesting I didn't know this apparently this is the movies Trump for ISIS clip Apparently the ISIS is using Trump, they're making movies. Using him to recruit. Yes together you are not our adversary you are our partner and we also need to make sure that the really discriminatory messages that Trump is sending around the world don't fall

26:57 on receptive ears. He is becoming ISIS's best recruiter they are going to people showing videos of Donald Trump insulting Islam and Muslims in order to recruit more radical jihadists so I want to explain why this is not in America's interest to react with this kind of fear and respond to this sort of bigotry secretary thank you Now, just while I'm on this for a second. Move to the next clip which is O'Malley who decides he's gonna... Why are they giving Trump so much extra publicity? But here's O'Malley's bullcrap story. ...to figure these things out true to our American principles and values you know my friend Kashif who was a doctor

27:43 in Maryland back to this issue of our dangerous democracy turning against ourselves he was putting his 10 and 12 year old boys to bed the other night and he is a proud American Muslim. And one of those little boy said to him, dad What happens if Donald Trump wins and we have to move out of our homes? These are very very real issues. Did he make that pledge like if Trump becomes president I'm leaving the country did you hear by the way, he had the worst Yeah. No, don't get me started because you know then it's just gonna go hey newsflash from ABC Hillary Clinton campaign doubles down after experts question claim about ISIS videos using Donald Trump All right Okay Oh I'm playing the clip but it doesn't seem to have a voiceover What is this? No one was available

28:41 Hillary Clinton's communications director defended her candidates claim that ISIS is using videos of Donald Trump to recruit members but could not point to specific events of this happening in an interview on This Week with George Stephanopoulos today. Of course. Jen Palmieri said Clinton wasn't referring to a specific video during Saturday's debate when she said Trump's anti-Muslim rhetoric is making him ISIS' best recruiter and that quote, they're going to people showing videos of Donald Trump insulting Islam and Muslims in order to recruit more radical jihadists

29:17 Clinton offered no specific evidence of the claim. Quote, she's not referring to a specific video but he is being used in social media by ISIS as propaganda." Oh! That's not the same thing? Well I got another clue... No it's not. She's a liar! Yeah she needs- Let's get this clip out of here. But i'm sure Rita Katz is getting the call right now Yes yes of course Of course we can make one sure no problem yeah Do you want beheading into it as well or Rita Katz, of course you should give a little background on her. Rita Katz the Iraqi Jew who started the site intelligence group has a bone to pick is not by she's partisan

30:02 And every single one of these great videos that appear are found by her group first. Yes, they and of course they always refer to jihadist websites and dark web and links in Twitter accounts which are never ever ever ever published So when we say the word Rita Katz, that's what we mean. It's a trigger! It's a trigger word now I got it there's a trigger word in here in this clip. I want you to identify it see if you can identify the trigger word and I was actually surprised at Hillary was so soft on encryption But this is Hillary discussing the issue of making Apple in particular turn over their encryption. I'm sorry, identify the trigger word. Together but Apple CEO Tim Cook said removing encryption tools from our products altogether would only hurt law-abiding citizens who rely on us to protect their data so would you force him to give law enforcement a key to encrypted technology by making it law?

31:06 I would not want to go to that point. I would hope that given the extraordinary capacities that the tech community has and the legitimate needs and questions from law enforcement, uh...that there could be a Manhattan-like project. Something that will bring the government and the tech communities together to see they're not adversaries. I kind of missed that one! A Manhattan like project? Like the nuclear bomb? Yeah Yeah, that's what she said. But back it up again and I am gonna buy it because they did that's not the true That's that's a mean but just not the trigger words. I'm hoping you identify I won't start over in list officials together but Apple CEO Tim Cook said Removing encryption tools from our products all together would only hurt law-abiding citizens who rely on us To protect their data So would you force him to give law enforcement a key to encrypted technology by making it laws?

32:03 I would not want to go to that point. I would hope that given the extraordinary capacities that the tech community has and the legitimate needs and questions from law enforcement... You mean, it's the extremely great capacity of the tech thing guys have? No, it's not a trigger warning. That there could be a Manhattan-like project something that would bring the government and the tech communities together to see they're not adversaries They've got to be partners It doesn't do anybody any good if terrorists can move toward encrypted communication that no law enforcement Agency can break into before or after There must be some way I don't know enough about the technology Martha to be able to say what it is but obviously

32:50 I have a lot of confidence in our tech experts. And maybe the back door is the wrong door, and I understand what Apple and others are saying about that." The tech experts? Yeah. Which she usually calls the techno-experts Yeah, she's changing to tech experts. I think we have Okay good, I'll play that an end of show is a DJ That's what we have we got some techno metal tonight Well you're the techno expert but what has happened now is we've

33:33 You know, we had Comey and we had Johnson. Everyone's kind of...certainly Comey is doing a reasonable job of at least for his own layman terms explaining why backdoors make no sense it doesn't it's meaningless meaningless unless you have the data at rest and the data in transit problem so the data in transit problem that's pretty much solved We're going to talk about that later in our tech news segment But the data, and actually I think the data as stored unless if it's stored in the cloud they're not worried about it. They just want to get as much as they can I guess. Blackmail! There is good stuff in there you got stock tips? Holy crap. You know what did mergers M&A yeah you'd be all over it. Yeah you could win big. It was a fantastic deal

34:23 Insider trading all the way, even though it's not really technically it's not insider trading. No, not for people who are working in government. If you think about as what would insider I think technically means that you have access to well actually it is inside if you can only access this information nobody else has. You could trade on it or if you pass the information on yeah. That's exactly what you're looking for so let's just get a couple of these more out of I learned something. Stuff under gun stuff Well done, sir. Well played Guns stuff gun stuff is this I think about this just being a strategy But it's so obviously a strategy and this has got to have all the gun guys really shaking it even if you noticed Most of them probably didn't even notice what she's talking about but she play the gun immunity clip and you'll figure it out

35:21 I have voted not to give gun makers and sellers immunity. And, I also know that, and I'm glad to see this, Senator Sanders has really moved in face of the facts about what we're confronting in our country. I know that he has said in the two previous debates that he wants to take on this immunity issue because we need to send a strong message to the gun manufacturers, to the sellers, to the gun lobby And I would hope, Senator Sanders that you would join the Democrats who are trying to close the Charleston loophole. That you would sponsor or co-sponsor legislation to remove the absolute immunity we need to move on this consensus that exists in the country it's no longer enough just to say the vast majority of Americans want common sense gun safety measures including gun owners We need and only the three of us will do this nobody on the Republican side will even admit

36:16 a problem and in whatever way the three of us can, we need to move this agenda forward and begin to deal with the gun lobby and intimidation that they present. Yeah, that's what they're...I see this everywhere now. This seems to be kind of the O-Bots go to is... The new thing? Yeah if we make gun manufacturers liable for death which this is not a new idea but it's a genius idea to kinda promote because they slip in there cause already the public has accepted vaccine manufacturer immunity and And I think we're getting a little annoyed by it, but this was mostly determined by the courts in the first place which is if somebody buys a gun and then uses it to commit a crime. How's that the gun manufacturers' problem? Why do they get sued? That's what they wanna do. Well, I'll tell you, they are equating it to tobacco companies and that they can be sued under certain...in certain situations which has been very successful for some people.

37:19 Yeah, I can see this. The only real analog of the smoking argument is if you buy a gun... And you accidentally shoot yourself? Yes, right. You shoot yourself and everybody who has the gun shoots themselves. Haven't there also been secondhand smoke lawsuits? I don't know how many those have gotten very far. But don't try anything. It's okay, I'm just sad...I mean what? Just go for it! Look when you see the poll actually i have uh where was this yeah here it is this is the view the view was freaking out about the most recent poll although they're not-it's my beat by the way The View Yes very good um so what I understand Do you wear your underwear and eat popcorn while you're watching The View

38:10 Do you have a like, costume or uniform that you wear something that you routinely put on? I usually... Usually i'm just spinning in front of not on the bike but i'm spinning on my hoverboard. In front of the TV. Just riding around ya know And then when I hear something, oh stop. Stop. We got to record this." So I think it was on the previous episode of this podcast where we had the results in New York—New York of all places! Where now I think it was 52% of Americans polled feel that there should be no ban on assault weapons because they're afraid of the government's inability to protect them. So that is not just more than ever, it is a majority according to the polls so here are the views taken. Gun violence has been making headlines on an almost daily basis this year. So tell me if this new poll surprises y'all?

39:02 Right now, more Americans are against a ban on assault weapons than have been against it in the last 20 years. But here's the thing let's be thoughtful about this what is the government supposed to protect you from? Sandy Hook didn't come from another country that came right out of here! In Connecticut. Connecticut came out of here. Listen to Joy Bayard she's in the back like you know call like in the church and the black church. In Connecticut... What's it called? call and response. It's a McVeigh that bombs you. They came from- McVeigh and the guns, assault weapons White people! Here so what are we... What is the government supposed to do? Because it seems to me You know you want to ban people you want to ban of people from coming you want to build a wall How about an assault weapon wall let's build a wall about that Yeah oh yeah Let's build a wall about that Get out my vagina!

40:06 She's nuts. Well, yes unfortunately in assault weapon wall. Yeah do that That's a great idea as I said her attempt of being cynical or sarcastic. Yes exactly exactly Well it didn't work no all right onward I got to come more yeah, I got the pack allies clip if you want to play that Clinton pack allies yeah Secretary Clinton, you too have ruled out a large U.S. combat force yet you support sending in special operations forces to Syria and sending those 100-200 troops to Iraq to do exploitation kill raids We've already lost one Delta Force member in a raid

40:46 It's looked very much to me like we're already in ground combat on frequent trips I've made there So are you fooling Americans when you say? We're not putting American combat troops back into Syria or Iraq. No, not at all That's pretty blatant I love it. No your question of something as I got a light side talk about my car well Lexus now I believe We may be saying combat special forces, but it's possible that these are mercenaries. This is academy or some hired guys and that way you can kind of skirt around the issue. Those are Delta Force guys. True Delta Force? Yes What we're facing with ISIS is especially complicated It was a different situation in Afghanistan

41:37 We were attacked from Afghanistan. What happened to Pakistan? What happened to Saudi Arabia, what happened to Iraq which was supposed to Hamburg Germany? Yeah, that's a very good question. In Afghanistan we went after those who had attacked us what's happening in Syria and Iraq is that because of the failures in the region including the failure of the prior government prior government in Baghdad led by Malik. I want plenty more of that clip, but she's fully crap. Well what to me was interesting is it seemed like for whatever reason ABC also felt it was important to continuously focus on the homeland and security and Syria. And it wasn't pretty much the same as

42:26 as the Republican debate, but the discourse of course afterwards is you know now they're not warmongers. No not at all there's so much better than everybody else I don't see how they're not worse come by yeah I do have to say there was one I thought funny moment And it was Bernie Sanders after Clinton had gone in to answer a series of questions about what about your corporate connections and all the rest of it. Oh, well I've only got 3% of my money but you know we all work together and so they asked exact same question to Bernie who just went off on them Thank You Senator Sanders I want to stay on this and ask you how big role

43:07 Does corporate America play in a healthy economy and will corporate America love of President Sanders? No, I think they won't Good line It was the line of the show that was good like Ceos of large multinationals may like Hillary. Thank you to like me and Wall Street is gonna like be even less And the reason for that Are these idiots cheering that their 401ks are going to tank when Bernie Sanders is? They're just idiots cheering. I mean, seriously! It's like the Betty Boop audience. You don't like Hillary, they aint gonna like me and Wall Street is gonna like me even less

43:52 We've got to deal with the elephant in the room, which is the greed, recklessness and illegal behavior on Wall Street. When you have six financial institutions in this country that issue two-thirds of their credit cards and one third of their mortgages when three out four are larger today than when we bailed them out because they are too big to fail. We've got a reestablished Glass-Steagall. We have got to break the large financial institutions up! So I don't think. I felt he missed an opportunity was it him or was it maybe was O'Malley railing again on how we need a modernized version of Glass-Steagall which we might want to point out was ripped apart by Hillary's husband Which Bernie did point out in the debate? He did, I thought he alluded to but didn't say no No, he pointed the finger at his husband Oh really? Okay Having said that

44:49 I don't think i'm gonna get a whole lot of campaign contributions from Wall Street. I don't have a super PAC, I don't want campaign contributions from corporate America and let me be clear Unless it's from the sugar lobby While there are some great corporations creating jobs and trying to do the right thing in my view And I say this very seriously Unlike all the other stuff you said which was bullcrap? Greed Yeah I hate when people do that You know, let me be honest. The word frankly bothers me. Yeah frankly or let me be honest despite you know What are you dishonest the rest of the time? Frankly you weren't Frank before I think so and I say this very seriously The greed of the billionaire class the greed of Wall Street is destroying this economy

45:37 and is destroying the lives of millions of Americans. We need an economy that works for the middle class, not just a handful of billionaires! And I will fight and lead to make that happen. Senator thank you very much. Yes! Wooo! Well thats where it gets the millenniums. Millenniums? Millenials? The millenniums. The millennial-illusions. I like millenian. Yeah. I am a millennion He gets them because they're all in debt. Their experience with the system has been negative, to say the least. No jobs, debt... it's just the worst! So they're all in with this guy so it's a big voting box. And I got Big Mike and you know all kinds of people come out of their woodwork to support Bernie and I saw this morning

46:26 I'm just cruising through the Sunday shows. Everyone's complaining that Bernie doesn't get the amount of press he should be, the media is not focusing on him enough... Bullcrap! Yeah, I know Before Trump came along to trump everyone He was getting all the press Bernie? Yeah, he was doing very well. Yeah, I agree But he hasn't said anything new so what's the cover I mean, Bernie's got at least Trump you have to give him credit as a natural in terms of the publicity angle. He always got new things that bring it out the outrageous but oh my God what did he say now? Well here has not done that and he could. Here is the latest

47:09 The latest Trump stand-up in which he responds to Vladimir Putin thinking mr. Trump is a good intelligent guy who can called him brilliant Oh, that's not good. Well I love his mocking voice. He's very good at that Putin called him brilliant. That's not good. Isn't it sort of nice if like countries are always fighting with maybe we get along and let them do right? Right? I mean look you know we're all tough guys but wouldn't it be nice if like Russia and us could knock out an enemy together, not us bear the full cost sometimes

47:50 You know, we're always fighting. But I've had some guys say, oh Russia... How about one of our other people up in the city? I wouldn't talk to them! I wouldn't discuss anything, I wouldn't talk- What do they want to do? They wanna have a World War III Okay? World War III For what?! And they have problems We all have problems Russia's got plenty of problems But I'll tell you what if Putin likes me and if he thinks, I'm a good smart person Which I mean? I hope he believes it. I am actually actually is right. I am brilliant. You know But but do you know what if he says something positive that's a good thing That's not a bad thing they try and turn it around And it's not to be turned around this is good This would be a great start If you think about the money we spend on fighting everybody

48:34 Yeah. Okay, well he talks about what the media says here is a media report on this and I believe this was from ABC This is Trump complimented by Putin clip in the meantime on the Republican side tonight Donald Trump back in the headlines this evening after his eye-opening response to Russian President Vladimir Putin who is now praising Trump Tonight Trump returning the favor but making headlines with what? He said ABC's David Wright on the Trump campaign Today a mutual admiration society for two political strongmen. After Vladimir Putin praised Donald Trump as quote undoubtedly a bright and talented person

49:18 When people call you brilliant, it's always good. Especially when the person heads up Russia. Jeb Bush tweeted a true freedom-loving conservative wouldn't be flattered by praise from a despot like Putin hashtag chaos candidate. He is a leader unlike what we have in this country. Again he kills journalists that don't agree with him Well, I think our country does plenty of killing also Joe. There's a lot of stupidity going on in the world right now Joe That outraged the 2012 nominee Mitt Romney who tweeted important distinction thug Putin kills journalists and opponents Our presidents kill terrorists and enemy combatants

50:02 But Dr. Ben Carson seems okay with all this. If somebody's going to pay you a compliment, you take it. Not a problem And that seems to be how Trump sees it too David Wright ABC News Now the little slip in there that I thought was interesting in terms of propaganda He- The guy that did the package said described Trump and Putin as two political strongmen. How is Trump, he's not even in politics he is running to get into politics so how was he a political strongman? Who Trump? Yeah! Oh he's a political strong man by allowing everyone else to be his political strong men against him something like that I don't know there's no logic to it of course there's no logic the whole thing is crazy

50:52 But it's great to watch and not this debate, but you know everything around that is beautiful. Well I do what we're having fun well there was a CBS did a poll One of those where they have people in the studio and they ask them questions And you know that it's a conversation And they had...it was a Muslim focus group, CBS. But they brought in the...who's that right-wing poll guy? Luntz I guess is his friend. Frank Luntz. Frank Luntz and I want to remind people since we follow this guy he's the one after the first debate when Trump was starting to make inroads after his announcement for president and they had the absolute first debate which was on Fox where they attacked Trump and Kelly

51:34 Kelly what's her Megan Megan Kelly? Yeah, Megan Kelly was it went after him and that was a big deal They had they had lunch at the Lunds or lunch. Whatever isn't it lunch l-u-nt z yeah lungs they have lunch at the end and he had a bunch of people there were broad spectrum and And he made all sorts of conclusions we have the clips is they're too hard to find where he says Oh Everybody hated Trump He's gonna fall in the polls and probably drop out Oh yeah. According to Luntz's great accurate analysis of the public, so this is where this guy is coming from he's a stooge He's a paid stooge he will give you the results you desire but I think he mainly Fox obviously wanted him to go after Trump But it was...but this was CBS Well that what's interesting Yes exactly So this proves the theory

52:24 And there's been a couple of articles about this particular focus group where people who were in it late and you should never allow this to happen if you're doing focus groups, but okay. It should be NDA like on like a national security letter. People say oh no they picked out all the pieces where I said this, I said that And here is, there's a little kicker at the end. Mainly the person speaking at the end of this 30 second clip. I actually did a call out to Muslim parents across the country To not watch the Republican debate in front of their children This is a Muslima And she's sitting there and saying, you know I said hey people don't let your children watch the debates because of the hate. The Muslim hate Because i knew that subjecting our children to hear the hateful stereotyping and the lumping of Muslims with terrorism in front of our children is actually something that psychologically impacts them so... Then show me some children who want to watch this crap

53:19 Unless Bernie Sanders is holding a lightsaber, they're not going to be interested. That's how deep this is for us But don't you want the kids to know the challenges that they face? I don't want my children to be subjected to racism and vilification of their faith. And I will not allow Donald Trump to tell my kids How they should feel about being Muslim Right! How many of you are physically afraid because of- you're physically afraid. Now listen to this last guy There has been an increase in hate crimes that has been reported through the Council on American Islamic Relations Last lady, I mean, I'm sorry Yeah These were CARE people John Yeah They were- they're CARE- Stooges I don't understand when did CARE become a trusted source certainly after their sordid history of front grouping for terrorist organizations? yeah

54:08 I don't know. And why are these, these are the bonehead editors at these operations that CBS in this case and the other networks do they bring them all up? All of them bring him on because there's other groups out there Muslim groups that are very Middle of the road and it's probably conservative too that you could bring on if you just looked around at it Just went down the phone book list Googled it but no they keep bringing these care people on that's all they bring on and now they have Frank Luntz It was just a you know, I don't trust anything He says not after watching that to do what he did with the Fox thing when there was obviously given that go ahead then Go after Trump and with all kinds of conclusions. That never panned out

54:53 Well, it looks like he's through. Right? Something else odd happened in the political reporting industry and it's always fun when it's the paper of record The New York Times I'll read here a story published by New York Times late Thursday night caused some major media waves the story which was written by reporters Peter Baker and Gardner Harris included a remarkable admission By Obama about his response to the recent terror attacks in Paris and San Bernardino California However, the entire passage containing Obama's admission which was, here it is. So he had a private meeting with columnists this is what you do when you need to get the propaganda machine rolling in his meeting with the columnist Mr Obama indicated that he did not see enough cable television to fully appreciate the anxiety after the attacks of Paris and San Bernardino and made clear that he plans to step up as public arguments so The New York Times published that but then erased it

55:52 They removed that entire paragraph from their story, at least on the online version. And they replaced it with something that did not at all reflect what the President apparently said. So let's just listen first to Let's see, listen this is the allegation I think. The New York Times says it was just trying to save space when it edited from an earlier story a stunning admission by President Obama that he essentially underestimated the publics reaction to recent ISIS terror attacks This quote was in the original version of last night's Time Story Quote In his meeting with the columnist Mr. Obama indicated that he did not see enough cable television To fully appreciate the anxiety after the attacks in Paris and San Bernardino

56:37 That section was eliminated and replaced by two paragraphs that had more words than the original sentence calling into question The Times explanation about saving space. Okay, so the conspiracy theory websites went nuts. They used more space to save space. Yeah they went nuts so The Times is lying of course but I I think, you know—I'm trying to think. Really? Did he really say this and then the New York Times removed it? And I am the first guy to jump on any kind of mainstream media conspiracy. I think Charles Krauthammer actually had the correct analysis about what really happened. Well look on this story about the meeting with journalists and him saying that this is all hyped up

57:21 You know, he didn't see it on cable. I think...I wasn't there but of course i wasn't there! To me he was being sarcastic this is a way of dissing sort of showing condescension to the rabble out there This is Obama essentially saying well you know the reason people are upset about this because its been hyped on television and they are not as cool intelligent foreseeing as I am, this is his usual professorial condescension. You know, he could have been very sarcastic when he says you know I don't watch a lot of that cable television. I'm sure that's exactly what he meant and that's why the New York Times had to retract it because... It was misleading And also its really bad enough for him to say oh I'm out of touch I haven't watched which I don't think he said but then they say now are you stupid morons getting all riled up by cable news nut jobs stupid unintelligent your not elite like me Yeah and that is actually more egregious

58:36 Yeah, it is. That was a good... I think that is the analysis you can make. I agree. It doesn't happen often! No, it does once in awhile And with that I'd like to thank you for your courage and say In the morning to you John C. DeVore! Subs in the water and all the dames and knights out there in the morning everybody in the chat room no agenda stream calm in The morning to Nick the rats once again slamming at home with the artwork for episode 7 782. The title was lumpy lips, but I've not got a call yet from the Dutch press about it And of course the

59:15 The album art was a Jeb Bush with the big coke bottle glasses. Fabulous! On vacation... Fabulous, fabulous. Yeah we had some trouble with this one and you might as well explain because we did have PewDiePie who is digging pretty hard I had a really good piece that could've used but figured we can use it more than evergreen And the moment you could not look at George Bush with Coke bottle glasses on, or George Jeb. I keep calling him George. All right, all right. Jeb Bush with the Coke bottle glasses on and now kind of laugh because it's just stupid looking. By the way, they've changed his prescription.

1:00:00 Not such an outrageous prescription because I noticed in the last of his eyeballs weren't as big in the glasses Okay, is usually. I mean I remember seeing where it's like holy crap The eyeballs were huge they filled up the whole you know he must be blind And looking at this size of the spreadsheet today cuz that's how we determine how we're doing That's our stats yeah well This is again when you enter the holidays on I'm gonna take blame You wait you yeah, you might take the blame but you don't know what you're taking the blame for low donations How can you be responsible because I told you sloths were trending and I think the sloth did us in oh? Oh And besides we can't do this loth anymore Why but because I figured out why it was trending and now we sound like shills The brand-new Disney movies Zootopia

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1:02:50 Top 10. Top 10 what? Top ten of great things he's done, I guess is kind of the idea. I'm great here's what i did for you for the world Well we could do that um yeah so So this begins a two-week period where just so little money comes in although it was all kind of at least one guy our uh our Viscount even though push it to be a Viscount, but that's what he is. Sir Richard Bagwell came in with $1,234 and 56 cents... 1-2-3-4-5-6 from Louisville, Kentucky. And he sent a check in which was probably the way to do it and says this is his fifth annual donation of one two three four dot five six. That's right every year he does it. He does it every year

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1:05:18 in the Netherlands, see if there were German spies or any other kind of spy that would make people you know kind of like the US had who won The World Series. Yeah. If he didn't like baseball, you're a dead man. That's right. The Dutch version I think this showed up in Soldier of Orange, the movie if you've never seen it that's a great movie to watch. The word is Scheveningen Shave anything there you go. You're fired I mean the odds like really fire like you spy Shavening shavening Havening well, I would go in as a mute Good one another tip another wartime tip from John C. Devorah

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1:08:59 We're done. All right pack it in now I have a we do have Thursday just before the day before Christmas at Christmas Eve show Yeah, very unusual for anyone in the media and working any sort of media any sort of media to Do a show on Christmas Eve that's not pre-recorded no And ours will be live and it'll be on Thursday and week. Well, it would be nice to have more help than we got today We have very few donors I think a total number is like let me take a look for the ones over $50 Meanwhile while you're looking that's like guys get out of his 21 people Wow, but if you know the 15,000 people again Merry Christmas 21 people

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1:11:35 We go out we hit people in the mouth Yes citizen you may return to your harpsichord Wow mom You saw all kinds of new or really old ones. I'll just moving it around a little bit. I there was oh Now, I think I've mentioned many times it is so incredibly easy to do a little bit of promotion for the show on C-SPAN when they have The Washington Journal where you...they have guests and they...you know, you can call in. You can call in on the Democrat line, Republican line or the independent line and it's a great way to just throw in best podcast universe, noagendashow.com there are million different things you could do, a million

1:12:29 And I forget which, there was a congressman on the show and he was taking calls and this happened. Glenn called in from Salt Lake City Utah. Glenn good morning Hi, good morning. My question is since we're spending all this money where are we getting the money from? And my second question is if I can shit in your mouth... I apologize for that Congressman don't take that kind of language here on The Washington Journal We'll move on Yeah move on Yeah, some asshole will go do that but no one will come on say you know agenda show talked about this blah blah I can't think that's my point. Why should it be?

1:13:16 That's a good one though. Cause what are you going to say? Depends on your definition of that's a good, what are you gonna say? Juvenile sense of humor. Yeah they made my day but I watch a lot of C-SPAN when something like that comes along. Definitely is a change in pace. I covered that. They come up... everyone saw if that happens too often cause there's moments where they remember few years back they had Moon landing guys or it was either moon land. No is that it was a truthers and there's a slew of them calling in because they're so well organized that they can get their boys to call in Yeah, I'm like us who can't get anybody to call in right but they had him all calling in So they put out delay loop on it which was and they took it off? I guess yeah, yeah, yeah That's expensive the digital delay stuff

1:14:08 probably. Oh, it's a bit of an expensive piece of kit and you have to have a person so the way C-SPAN works there is a director, a technical director maybe the chyron is separate and audio separate but they don't have big Big crews necessary to really vet the calls perfectly number one and you have to dump out Dumping out is a skill. It's it's it's and yeah, it's a skill if you want If you do it right there may even be a me a guild or something I'm sure there's some kind of Union

1:14:45 for that. Yeah, yeah. I don't know maybe I'm pretty...I have a few..I'll have to look into it again but i always know that MTV where they were always pissed off when we you know they had to start to do that eventually the seventh it's about nine seconds I think they had and it's a complicated job what are you gonna what are you going to pull out? What are you gonna where are you gonna hit the button? We gotta really be paying attention too but you got eight seconds to recover Yeah, it's... anyway. Doesn't matter I'm glad they don't have it because that makes them much more entertaining Much more entertaining Yes depending on your definition of entertainment Okay here is some entertainment for y'all Uh..I don't know- I never watch this program but I watched because the president was on Bear Grylls? Bear Grylls? Grill- what? Grills? Bear Grylls? This is the nature guy

1:15:41 No, I don't even know what you're talking about. I'm completely... Really? I've never heard of Bear Grylls. T-R-Y-L-L-S, I think? Bear Grylls? Yeah he does uh... Where was this? Well he's an adventurer and doesn't... Oh! This is promoted on the History Channel or something like that Yes, I think it was that yeah. Obama took a week off and he's climbing glaciers. Yes yes Well, this is great for the American economy for our president to be you know if nice buddies in Hawaii now So yeah, he's on vacation while the world is melting down but it's vacation stop Yeah, so the president is out there. Where were they? They were out Hmm I'll have to look up where they were but listen to a little clip here said this whole valley Would have been filled with the glassy. I read somewhere that what you've done with your

1:16:36 Climate change plan is the most significant thing any single human being has ever done to protect the planet Wow Guys like Trump would be how to hire this guy. This is worse than anything I've ever heard Really really good I like that, but you have done more than any single human being ever in the universe of the world of the universe Of everything to save the planet protect all the people. Hell hell! Is the most significant thing any single human being has ever done to protect the planet Well... And thats amazing Because there are so many skeptics out there. Oh, yes You know were you we always a convert or did you take how did he was in? So they were in Alaska, so I think this all was recorded during the president's Alaska trip The only thing he didn't do he didn't drink his own pee during this incredible I

1:17:34 I'm a big believer in science. Oh yeah, uh- Big believer in science. The science is end! You know when I started looking at the science it was indisputable this must be one when he started looking at the science you know as a nobel prize winner you know it's beautiful I looked at the signs and said My god, this is indisputable I say. It was indisputable. Indisputable! This must be one of the things that your girls for example are most proud of that you're really making a mark on saving their future planet Well they may be proud of me but they don't necessarily admit it right now. Hell, hell all hell...

1:18:13 And of course the president had a warning obviously. It's quite a special moment when we come out of the forest, come over this rise and bam right in front us is this huge giant white face with a snout at the end of the glacier and we just kind of had a moment taking it in... That guy has beef here! Why did the Brits call that a glacier? Not a glacier?! Because it's a glacier. And we just kind of had a moment to take it in and him realizing this is why he's fought so hard for all he's doing, to try and protect our planet. Is this guy an Australian? I believe so yeah I believe so.

1:19:10 The science is in! Science! Science! This must have connected nicely to a little speech that he included. This little ditty was included in the speech, which I suppose is connected to this issue Idiotic show where he's won it by the way ice a glazed they were all pro I just say Pro glacier or anti glacier glaciers are not healthy. There's something you want coming down your neighborhood You don't come down the block and here's Republicans our outliers Okay President brushed aside Republican opposition to the deal right now The American Republican Party is the only major party

1:19:54 that I can think of in the advanced world, that effectively denies climate change. It's an outlier so my sense is this is something that may be an advantage in terms of short-term politics and a Republican primary it's not something that is going to be a winner Ugh, not gonna be a winner. Nah. Not gonna be a winner and they're just doing it because that implication very well done very well spoken what he implied is that the Republicans are liars because they... Just pandering to base with their rhetoric

1:20:30 Yeah, they're just catering to the base with the bull crap for the dummies who are Republicans. This is a very propagandistic commentary I was repulsed by it to be honest about it You know, I'm always listening very carefully to the words The President uses because I believe that you know he's very careful He's always could be able to come back years later and say this is exactly what I said if you can see If you listen my words carefully I was saying exactly this whereas yeah, he's good at that I don't think we were doing...I was living in London, so we probably didn't have the opportunity to record so many clips. In 2008 when Obama was running for the first time someone sent me this clip which i'd forgotten about. Terrorism and nuclear weapons! Climate change and poverty! Genocide And disease All of the candidates in this race share these goals Yep. And you know what? He realizes his mistake and he smiles but doesn't correct it

1:21:32 All of the candidates in this race have good ideas. Yeah, he just glosses right over it I think you've achieved your goal we got terrorism we got climate change To nuclear weapons yeah You have to play that clip again from the beginning now that everyone can understand what what it is you're getting at Terrorism and nuclear weapons climate change and poverty genocide and disease All of the candidates in this race share these goals. Yeah, it's a gem! You might as well play Sheep In Human Clothing or whatever it is... pigs. Oh there was a couple I wanted to play. Well we can play that one again and then do the medley. A medley? Okay. Terrorism and nuclear weapons Climate change and poverty Genocide And disease

1:22:35 All of the candidates in this race share these goals. Nah, I screwed up. Okay, let's do it another time. You use it at the end of show and then you can do them as a good one Yeah, yeah, Obama and the show put is a medley okay got it that's just The president's 2008 goals, good work. Yeah, he got a lot of it done. He is right in line with what needs to be happened... So one of our producers sent us a... I didn't think much of it then I listened this clip when I was starting to take clips that Trump people have visceral dislike of Trump because he's reminiscent of the character that was in Green Acres

1:23:20 Which one? The shyster. There's a shyster in Greenacres that are always coming around named Haney, and Haney would always sell something stupid... And so somebody on YouTube—this is all over YouTube by the way—somebody on YouTube showed Ted Cruz giving a speech And with Haney's voice over it, and it didn't work that well. I didn't see there did sound that much like Cruz but then when I was editing the clips and I ran into the clip of the Haney voice as you know It sounds enough like Cruz to make a connection. You can put tell me what you think

1:24:00 Looking for this? Just dropped by. I wondered if you made any decision about the wall paper. Says your lucky day, I got some furniture that was just made for this place. He's a little too hickey. I think if you knock the hickey part out it would sound pretty much like him yeah and but just passing through an idea, a thought okay I don't think that's why people take a dislike to cruise though I think Cruz just does, i think it's his presentation. Yeah he now he just he's just creepy looking and if you want to if you wanted to really take it to some level that's deep...I would say he reminds me of Joe McCarthy He kind of looks like him, he kind of talks like him

1:24:51 And it's an old reference, you know nobody remembers Joe McCarthy. Well how... let's look at this from a media deconstruction standpoint How can we use this to make Ted Cruz even look stupider? I think Green Acres is too old to do anything with it Yes, I think it's a callback that's dated I don't think that's a good way to go. No, well we'll work it out We'll do a freebie for the competition Okay Curry Dvorak Consulting Company Media Consulting Group And we will find some way to make Cruz worse Yeah i'm sure we can do a great job

1:25:33 Well, there's some other people in trouble. I'm gonna start by while you take them and have a beer okay nice Schlitz malt liquor obviously IMF chief Christine Lagarde says she will be appealing a decision by a French court that she stands trial for her role in the payment of 400 million euros to a French businessman. The case dates back to more than 20 years and will be heard at a Parisian court, the decision comes as a surprise to her legal team as France's top prosecutor had previously recommended that the case against IMF Chief

1:26:10 The prosecutor said there was no case against Lagarde but the judge has disregarded this. This decision was taken in disregard of the facts, documents and trial record and recommendations of the prosecution authority. It is therefore incomprehensible This one concerns Bernard Tappie who was compensated by the French government after selling his stake in sports company Adidas to Credit Lyonnais in 1993. His case was referred to an arbitration panel by Lagarde, who was the French finance minister at that time. Oh they're taking her out! Did you get this from the FOP news? That's Euro News Wow Yeah sometimes they have really crappy production KFOP KFOP

1:26:53 And the happy news, I think why do you say you think that you may be on to something? Yes time to take her out They've been trying this has been going on for a long time and now finally The French are the ones that are gonna take her out. Oh Yeah wonder what she did wrong oh You didn't listen to the report Well, it's too big guys boys. No well she The way no no no I know what she did wrong according to the report. She's involved in some scandal Well, the scandal is but it is not small no No, that's how what I'm saying? I'm asking what she did wrong Oh I am F. Oh Of course, I don't know What I think I think that she she announced the Remini B was going to be in the SDR basket before any of this

1:27:45 the reforms were ratified by the US. She's pressuring, that's what she's doing. She's pressuring the U.S., And this would be my deconstruction. Okay, I'm all in on the idea that when she did the... Call it the Chinese wand because I can pronounce it. When she did that, I thought it was a little peculiar and I think is just pressuring She's been doing this and she extended the date until actually this month It wasn't when the rat for the was at 2000 Is it 2005 or 2010? It's like there's been awhile the reforms which would allow the US to maintain our veto, but would put China into the basket...into the SDR basket. Would put them in number two on the list and you know we're not going to ratify that as obvious it'd be going on for years and I think she just pressured. It wasn't gonna be 2 is gonna be 3 euros too. Okay

1:28:40 Three then but still putting them in at all. Yeah, I think she thought that was peculiar and I don't think that she will be I think she'll recover She's smart and she's a she's a slime art slime ball slimed dog. She's a weasel. She'll Weasley way out somehow So do something cuz she loves the power too much look at that face. She's in San Tropez all the time tanning She looks like a baseball glove Yeah, that's one way of putting it. Let me write that down after next time I see you. Do you know what Dvorak said? You look like a baseball glove. What's going on with you lady? So we had this big omnibus bill Yes the one they slipped in CISA yes they did and nobody seems to oh well where is their outrage

1:29:41 Where's the recalls? No one, no one cares. You know why? They cared a year ago! Look at the timing of it who are the people that would be against this Against the Cybersecurity Information Sharing Act which has now just become legislation and slipped into the omnibus bill Who would be against that what is the profile this person and what were they doing Friday and Saturday What were they doing on Saturday? They were jacking off to Star Wars, man. No wonder no one paid attention to it! These guys are genius timing is everything Oh a Star Wars Now what I did find and this was you know it was leaked so I'm thinking that It must be an administration leak...a leek the uh the administration had a number of

1:30:35 priorities and preferences for the, for CISA. Which I guess means they're going to start adding this or we'll have to put stuff in afterwards but the framework is already there and i'd like to read a few of them if you don't mind This comes from The White House and it's a leaked document Liability protections, this is the big one that you and I are interested in John. The administration supports providing narrowly targeted liability protections to incentivize broader cybersecurity threat information sharing." That's interesting. Narrowly targeted liability protections to incentivize broader cyber security threat information sharing. Now... That hurts my brain! Yeah it does kind of itself contradictory. Here's the logic about

1:31:24 encouraging a business to like... Well, incentivizing is the word. Incentivize it and say that? Yeah. Here's the funny thing about incentivizing the way I see it. This is and you released liability issues this is telling me and I don't believe this what I'm gonna say by the way but there's what it says or just what the government believes I think this way with how the government thinks. This is the administration. The minister any... Valerie Jarrett. Let's just say Valerie Jarrett. Okay let's say. The president real person. because they know so little about business. They actually think that the only thing preventing any business, Apple or any of them from just spilling everything on their customers not giving a crap and giving it all over to the government is liability because they might get sued you know? And I think they're probably right

1:32:15 I don't think they're right in any way. There's no reason, there is not a... No! You don't think Facebook is chomping at the bit to share? Facebook is chomping at the bit to sell?! Let me read the next line. This may help... You're not going to share? Let me read the next line, this may help because I understand why they put this in here. So we have this administration supports providing narrowly targeted liability protections to incentivize broader cyber security threat information sharing appropriate liability protections should incentivize good cybersecurity practices and should not grant immunity

1:32:52 to a private company for failing to act on information it receives about the security of its networks. So what they're saying here is you better be sharing everything because if you fail, to share something about the security of your network then you're in trouble so oversharing is encouraged by this provision the way I read it such a provision would remove incentives for companies to protect their customers personal information and may weaken cyber-security writ large Whoa, did you drop your teeth? I dropped my mic. Yeah it happens all the time! There is a danger that providing a good faith exception for a failure to act on information received could create a moral hazard and discourage companies from responding appropriately to cyber threat indicators they receive." So i think it's actually

1:33:51 And it's interesting the way they put this, is we wanna give them immunity but don't give them immunity for when they screw up or maybe they pretend to screw up because then there'll be just liable as ever. Oh that's interesting if they're saying...yeah somebody in the meeting said, hey wait a minute what if these guys actually screw up? Yeah. And then they want to fall back on this provision saying, oh you know we're liable... there's no liability. We can't let them get away with that because these guys are boneheads! Let's move on the DHS but do you like this? I think it's quite fun actually to do this. All right it's your cybersecurity too John The administration supports authorizing new liability protected sharing relationships only through the National Cybersecurity and Communication Integration Center

1:34:49 a civilian entity within the Department of Homeland Security. Additionally, the administration supports real-time sharing between the NCCIC and relevant federal agencies with appropriate privacy protections and has preliminarily deployed such a capability at DHS Focusing real-time sharing through one center at DHS enhances situational awareness, facilitates robust privacy controls and helps hackers to find a single source of all information. Oh I'm sorry i made that up myself Then we go to defensive measures The use of defensive measures without appropriate safeguards raises significant legal policy diplomatic concerns can have a direct

1:35:30 Deleterious impact. What does that mean, deleterious? Negative Why don't they just say negative? They like this word better. You can't keep using the same words over and over. Okay. Deleterious impact on information systems that undermine cybersecurity. Moreover certain provisions may prevent the application of laws such as state common law tort remedies So you can't just... legislation should not create a backdoor exception by allowing quote defensive measures that access other computers without authorization. So companies can't go doing that on their own is the way I read that Privacy scrub, let me see that's not necessarily interesting The cyber threat intelligence integration center

1:36:15 No, not in... Oh the Einstein authorization. Now we've looked at this Einstein thing and Einstein is pretty much a it's a closed network that has email phishing filters and spam filters and DNS protection And right, but I think because it's called Einstein that they think this is like the cats meow or something. Einstein authorization. Hey skidoo! Skadoo? Cats meow 23 skadoo. Cats meow. Wow well that's probably what they're talking about

1:36:59 I'm telling you. The administration supports provisions that will improve the cybersecurity of federal networks and systems while protecting privacy and confidentiality, so the administration supports Einstein authorization language sunset. So they got all this brand name in a document? Oh yeah! Wow... Yeah Here, legislation should preserve the roles of appropriate agencies to maintain security for national security systems. The final bill should include language that exempts national security systems and information systems of the Department of Defense and the intelligence community." Oh okay so they get to have their own stuff I guess? Yes, of course! Their own databases

1:37:46 Government deprived of sharing language directing the government to develop procedures to enhance sharing efforts with non-federal entities should track current law and practice. Yeah, if you want some sharing from the government it's not going to happen Notification requirement regarding misuse of data, unnecessary prohibitions on intelligence activity. Language in both Title I and Title II of H.R 1560 would improperly restrict appropriate intelligence activities that are necessary cybersecurity activities For instance a department CIO attempting to identify the origin or malware on the department system might run afoul of the restrictions

1:38:23 The final bill should not contain unnecessary restrictions on surveillance activities or in the alternative, should properly restrict unrelated surveillance activity. Nothing in this title or the amendments made by this title shall be construed to create new authorization for an element of the intelligence community." But I think it's saying now everything is at one fine place and if they need to do some surveillance then they can probably dip into that, I think? And this is a lot of legalese stuff international reporting requirements. That's about it I think the sharing is really, it's the main part and they're really opening up and so Hillary's tapping into that because she knows what's going on And there's a lot of conversations that are being held A lot Interesting Well this is just a done deal as far as I see it It totally is They're just gonna add a few things In the new session I'm sure they'll do some kind of amendment or something But I'm waiting for Jen Briney to read that thing

1:39:24 No. She will! Well, that's a big one It's a big one but I've been looking at the relevant sections but it's going to take me until after Christmas to really get through it and it's a lot of pages this is a big one Alright well there was that tech news? no if you want...I do have some tech news if you wanted- Well let's go to Tech News for a minute Okay I wasn't quite ready That should have been in Tech News Well we can just pretend it was in Tech News Are you ready? Yeah? I phone my phone the way. I see it the only good phones a landline and the phone should be made out of Bakelite To find out what's really going on in tag news John Cena Tech News tech news, okay, I got nothing oh

1:40:20 I got some tech news. I figured yeah, finally a little bit of vindication over there on the Bloomberg's what exactly is the problem? What have they found like that these driverless cars are involved in more accidents than now this is a news report you may have seen that Google cars are involved in many many accident ones driven by people That's right, Betty. And what is causing it is that driverless cars follow the law which the rest of us human drivers don't always do so they drive very cautiously and people don't expect that and they're driving into the back of them Go on a New Jersey Turnpike and that would be an extreme... It's the car fault? No! Of course its' the car fault. Of course it is. Expect that and their driving into the back

1:41:03 Go on the New Jersey Turnpike and that will be an extremely... Hey, screw you with your Jersey jokes. Do a case study on that. Okay so does that mean researchers have to now think about pricing in or I guess factoring in breaking the law? in these driverless cars? You know, that's the debate in all these labs. Should they make the cars behave more human which means breaking the law to keep up with the rest of us scofflaws on the highway It's a tough debate because you know once you let them break the rules a little bit how far do you go All of these crashes are the fault of the human drivers not the robot cars and they tend to be slow speed and no injury type crashes So what then

1:41:50 Stop complaining, listen to the report. How far are we away from that then, Keith? Well you know Google is talking about splitting off its driverless car unit into a stand-alone business. They want to have ride for hire cars on the road before too long so this needs to be figured out California regulators this week came up with some very strict rules on how driverless cars should behave and there should always be human ready to take over the wheel I think there's a lot still to be worked out Betty

1:42:31 But can it ever be really figured out, Keith? Yeah. Oh, brother! Who is this idiot Betty?! She's on Bloomberg but here's the answer to the question... Well yeah I mean we have some very smart programmers. Smart programmers. They've already made the cars behave a little human-like at stop signs and when there's a four way stop that robot car will creep forward a little bit to let them know i'm going next so okay there's a little bit of that already showing up but there's much more than needs to be done I have an idea. Here's a- here is an idea that President Curry would come up with, I'm going to ban all of these cars and Google can do research and they will pay for drivers to drive people around

1:43:11 They can do whatever experiments they want, but these people will be driving them around and we'll have people working. This is a stupid idea I'm not for it People believe somehow when they're jerking off on their lightsabers Making a lot of references to jerking off in today's show Well maybe i've been jerking off a lot lately Is this something is this is this a protein having you having personal difficulties with your feet? No, not at all. I have no personal difficulties You're very you use you have a certain way of presenting yourself and and when I see an anomaly yes it stands out as

1:43:54 I'm trying not to use F-words. I'm trying to use different things, but it...I think the visual of jerking off a lightsaber is the correct visual because people truly believe that this is going to...it's not gonna happen in your lifetime Not yours, not mine. They released it last week, Thursday. Okay fine Drone, Amazon drone delivery is not going to happen. Oh I agree with that. This self-driving car is not going to happen! Oh it's absolutely going to happen? Not in our lifetime... It just won't No, it will happen in our lifetime. Not gonna happen Yes Okay fine It's not going to happen. On a closed track, maybe in Berkeley where you put them on rails... We need rails in the road to make it work so everyone can hook into the right rails! Human beings are very good robots John they're very very good at driving these cars there is no intelligence in these things zero this is not artificial intelligence

1:44:53 It doesn't have it. It can take new information about a situation and make a decision, it all has to be...it's skip logic! But oh the smart guy you want some some a-hole 25 year old Google single white Asian developer, because that's what they hire. You want that guy to be determining how he is with you? I'm sick and tired of the Google self driving car. It ticked me off when the artist at the Oba dinner said, oh this is going to solve all traffic problems we have no other way to go bull crap bull crap it's just a reaction to the artists at the Oba dinner not just that it's a reaction out of control

1:45:32 Really? Yeah. This is an irrational screed. I'm using the word screed instead of rant, by the way! This is a very rational screed. There's no evidence that this will work in any type of traffic scenario in the foreseeable future. It works fine. No, it doesn't. There's no... You heard the report that they get bumped into because people ram them. Now here is what my fear is I have a more logical way of looking at this. I think that the problem would be like the problem ...I kind of know little bit about this but I don't know any specific examples but when you're inside driving around in Tesla and you think its so cool your inside... I dont' think it's so cool! No not you. Im just referring to universal you

1:46:24 driving around a Tesla you think is so cool, you're in a box of deadly electricity. That one little thing can happen and you'd be just fried! I mean, yeah you could burn to death in a car that catches on fire. That's true but when you get hit with that kind of voltage you're just free... You can't get out! You're done! Yeah but i think i'm trying to make them...I think i'm trying to make them a much larger point No no let me continue so with the little car i'm afraid that somebody because they're bumping into him a lot apparently according to that report somebody bumps into the thing it screws up the network or something the car goes out of control takes off like a rocket and goes off a cliff

1:47:03 I mean, that could happen. You don't need all these crazy... you just don't need all of these examples Every single scenario that any driver will witness on the road is going to be different every single time It takes real intelligence to react to certain scenarios The belief somehow That Google- Of all people, Google who are the skip logic geniuses Two thou- it takes them two thousand servers Just to determine what fucking ads your gonna get How many servers is it going to take to determine what to do in a certain scenario? Is it gonna talk to the cloud first, is it gonna have all this tech on board. How's it gonna be updated will know what to do will be able to take new information road conditions everything intuition no people believe way too much in what technology can do its a bad idea and I'm against it and just because I'm against it doesn't give you the right to say I'm off the rails

1:47:58 No, you're off the rails not about being against it. It's your presentation which is in the form of a screed and now seems to be derived from an O-Bot dinner that's what I'm talking about not about yeah you can be against it Ford is against it You go talk to any executive over there they'll give you a million reasons My problem is that you're all in with it That's my problem Ah! That's why you are ticking me off I am totally all in Why? Why will this work Oh, it just... why wouldn't it? It's not that common. No no no! So far we have no evidence is going to work. They've got tons of evidence they got over a million miles of driving around these things driving around California and Nevada That's evident Yeah but they drive 35 miles an hour And they get bumped into because they don't-they're not participating in the traffic system They're their own entity Is like having- What?! That's why the system

1:48:55 I know that you're not gonna like this either. That's why the system has got to go, it has to be all- Thank you for proving my point! The system will only work if everybody is in self driving cars and that will only happen when we are dead! No It'll happen sooner than you want to believe. Put a time frame on it. First they're going to have the cars mixing and matching with us, then they're gonna have these bump episodes. I'm writing out of check right now... I saw it. I'm writing out of check! I'm writing out of checks to John C Dvorak ten dollars... Ten. Ten dollars and I say we'll... Okay how many years?

1:49:43 No, it will not be. Yes 10 years $10 no 10 years $10 is fine the whole country's not going to be running self-driving cars in ten years what I'm gonna say where they're gonna Be legal and they're gonna be all over the place and you can grab one and take it like an uber know Not Gonna happen yeah in ten years. No yes Okay, that's the bet you don't want to make the bed here's what I'll say how about none of them? I'm gonna finalize that I've taken the bet And we're finalized by saying there is no evidence self-driving cars will be completely fully integrated within 10 years. Because there is no evidence of that and I learned using this phrase from the best. Who? And why what did I say

1:50:38 You want- Are you talking about Obama? No, you said... I was just leaving it that way where it was but if you wanted me to say it. Well There is no evidence people will want to use the mouse Oh, you're using the mouse thing Yeah, though I'm using the no evidence You're doing a mouse thing for names! No, I know I'm using the no- No! I'm using there is no evidence line which is a great line at the time there wasn't no evidence people wanted to use them out so there was not 1984 there wasn't exactly why would their be But today, there's no evidence that it is going to be complete in 10 years. There is no evidence that people don't want self-driving cars? That's not true! I didn't say that. I said there's no evidence its going to be fully integrated into traffic within ten years It just isn't going to happen. Its an overestimation of what people think Google can do Of course... well thank you. There ya'go. Theres no evidence Now your making all my points for me. I have nothing to argue with You're a bigot

1:51:33 You're a self-driving car bigot. You hate self driving cars and everyone who even thinks the idea is a possibility That's hate speech I don't... You are exhibiting it! I did not say the word hate, i did not say the word kill? You don't have to say the word hate It's the hateful nature of what you said Very hateful and hurtful Yeah Very hurtful I feel bad about what you said. You know what? I'm still waiting for the paperless office, John. That was going to happen too and that'll happen when we have the paperless toilet is when that will happen! My old comment is the following and this I still think it's funny... It used to be funnier 15-20 years ago but if anyone had started to invest in the paper industry When the word paperless office was invented they'd be a multi millionaire Exactly

1:52:25 Yeah, exactly. I don't know what it's got to do with anything but okay all right we're done no we're not done. That is what i call tech news a major breach has officials worry that hackers have been able to spy on encrypted government information for possibly the last three years juniper networks is a company that makes routers and computer network equipment and a lot of their equipment is used by the U.S government, everybody from the FBI, treasury department, Department of Defense yesterday they disclosed that there was a major breach of their systems somebody three years ago it appears

1:53:02 changed the source code, unauthorized source code. And basically what this allowed was some sort of backdoor for hackers to be able to come in and out without leaving a trace and being able to spy on encrypted communications. So what we're talking about is government communications that's supposed to be secure even private companies that are using VPN networks, the things you and I use to log into our computers All of that these hackers would have been able to spy on for the last three years. Now this flaw was really only recently discovered and now we have the FBI investigating, the Homeland Security Department is very very concerned now they're trying to do an assessment

1:53:43 how many government agencies, including some of the ones handling some more sensitive secrets in the US government have these networks and whether or not there was some breach. Some of their classified information, some of their top security information has been exposed by these hackers. Seeing as you've been the Huawei routers has been your route coined a phrase Let's talk about Juniper. Who makes these things? Are they made in China or...? They're Juniper Networks, an American company. The boxes are made here? The chips are made here? As far as I know everything is made here. So the chips could be made anywhere nowadays but the chips wouldn't be the issue either whoever changed the source code...I don't know what source code they're talking about. It's a poor report. I'm thinking there must be some kind of boot level type stuff

1:54:35 Well, probably yeah. I don't know we need to find a real report on this but there's a couple mistakes they made in there anyway one if you have a VPN and you're going happens somewhere along the line it falls through one of these routers The information on a VPN is kind of triple secure. It has end to end encryption and then... Right, which ends at least you'll know what computer someone's connecting to if you have the VPN, you know the VPN endpoint, you may not have that. You're right that you probably don't have the encrypted information but you have the endpoint and that helps a lot. Yeah it does help a little but

1:55:17 So that, the part about the VPN is it shouldn't be in the report. I agree. CNN what do you expect? They want they had so there was what it is just a backdoor so you could just this sounds like US government stuff where you could take their streams that are going through this router and then you push them into another to just just like duplicate you can duplicate them and send some other sent him to some NSA computers as well this is for NSA It's NSA. I think you're right and i think it's an internal as one of those internal agency things where one age he found out the other agencies doing something yeah so and i don't understand it doesn't sound right well it could also just be a you know a story promoted by cisco

1:56:05 Well, yeah that's point. That's a good point that would be my I do that well I'm bringing this up because we obviously don't have enough information But you know this is the show where not for the tech horny So we'd love dude dudes name Ben sis admins let us know what you're seeing what you're thinking Yeah somebody one of our producers one of our many producers We'll dissect this for us with some great information, and we'll read it right from their valuable hot note. But right now? With all of this... I think there's about $700 billion worth of technology contracts waiting to be filled. Your Cisco idea is pretty valid. It's valid to me! Juniper has always been a pain in the ass to Cisco.

1:56:55 Because they are taking market share yeah, well that makes it got some of they get some I don't know what their sales pitch is It's one of those Kleiner Perkins companies. Oh really all that they have been around has been around spin around since the 90s They have some technology That's something the government likes and I'm not sure what it is but I've never thought oh no But buzz will put Huawei in all right, let's close it out And the phone should be made out of Bakelite yo-yo before we

1:57:33 Sorry? Well, I was gonna say but you have something to say that before we so when you say that then I defer. I was just transitioning to something else if you want to do something this cool...I just wanted put the people on the alert a little Turk news. What kind of-Turk news? Turk! You mean like Automania? Yeah, Automania I like that. Automania, yeah. There's an automania thing going on in the Ottoman Empire and it says this creep Erdogan is getting on my nerves Yeah, I heard about this Okay This is called the Ottoman hearth And which has always pronounced the her for some reason by the reporters because it's covered overseas and they pronounced it hearth instead of hearth

1:58:21 And it seems to be like a brown shirts or something like that. This guy Erdogan who's now you have to remember that he is the president of Turkey. Traditionally, the president of Turkey is a bullshit job and not a job where you really have any power It's mostly for show Unless you have all the oil money from ISIS Well, there's that and it looks like Erdogan has been trying to give himself more power as this figurehead. Instead of being just a figurehead jerk he wants to actually run the place

1:58:59 And so there's this Ottoman hearth thing which goes around beating people up. If you know your history and you know the brown shirts of Germany, whatever they were called, S something L, SA I think... Yes, SA. The SA... Play Ottoman Hearth and this is a kind of backgrounder Turkish opposition member of parliament Eren Erdem has reiterated his claims that Islamic State is producing sarin gas in Syria but he's now being investigated for treason over the allegations In the latest statement the member of parliament said that ISIL members obtained chemicals necessary for production of sarin which was transported through Turkey

1:59:42 He also demanded that President Erdogan apologize. The MP wrote about a lynching campaign against him and his party ever since he shared the allegations in an interview with us. Eren Erdem complained that he received hundreds of death threats on social media after we aired the interview, and Turkey-based journalist Merav Savir attempted to meet with the group responsible for the harassment. The campaign against Eren Erdem is gaining momentum fast and also on social media. The Ottoman Earth is associated with the ruling AK party, and it's seen by many as the group that does the parties dirty work they are known for harassing opposition political parties and newspapers now we've reached out to several media outlets here in Istanbul to see if they will comment about the group but many told us they're afraid to talk to us because of Russian media and their free to backlash they may receive one group

2:00:33 was willing to tell us about it. Ottoman Hurts is a new organization which in fact can be described as Erdogan's militia force they have recently organized violent activities in various areas and have the support of the government such as attack on the Hurriyet newspaper. The attack on Hurriyet happened on the same day that the opposition Republican People's Party offices were vandalized by men identifying themselves as members of the Ottoman Herds. Founded just five years ago, the movement which wants to restore Islamic and Ottoman culture already counts more than a million members They claim to have a deep love for President Erdogan and are willing to resort to death threats and attacks on politicians or journalists who dare criticize that regime

2:01:22 Yeah, yeah. This isn't being covered by our media in any way. Well we can't say anything bad about Turkey because they might play nice with us and they have plenty of other suitors that are fair-weather friends like the Russians... This operation is all in with ISIS We have to face that reality at some point They're all in with the idea of a new Ottoman Empire headed up by this guy who should have no power And they're provoking all this stuff. They want to kill all the Kurds, they want to pull an Armenia thing where you just kill everybody in some ethnic group or make their lives miserable and get rid of them. This is not going to turn out well... Or a tight relationship with Turkey. No. There's a lawsuit right now. There's a lot of griping back-and-forth between Fethullah Gulen

2:02:18 who Erdogan wants extradited now. That's the guy with all the charter schools and what I would might categorize as some madrasas all over in Texas, a lot of them, the harmony schools. So yeah, I think he needs that. He needs to have his brown shirts. That's the only way he can stay in power but I think the people in Turkey are not happy Well, the people in cosmopolitan Turkey are not happy. That means the cities right but the vast majority of people in Turkey or live into in mud huts out in the eastern part of the country and They think he's great and he's a really good religious man I mean this is this is not gonna work out No But I think that the lack of reporting is obvious you know we cannot be making turkey look bad right now We need them

2:03:08 Well, so we can use their airport. Yeah yeah great before we thank the shortlist for today Are you now? You said something in a newsletter are you going to Watch the Miss Universe tonight or is it not being broadcast its being broadcast on Fox yes Can I go yeah? We want to call winners I don't know what these girls look like. Oh, this is an international... Yes? Hold on! I can call winners here let me take my charge with all the countries of the world hold on wait a minute let me oh it's right here i got it my dart okay let me take the dart and throw it

2:03:56 Okay, it looks like Ukraine. Miss Ukraine? I think you may be off... She'll be in the top ten for sure. I think it will be miss Spain Why miss Spain? There's renewed confidence in Spain. The economy here is now growing, but the effects of the financial crisis are still being felt and corruption scandals have damaged old political parties so many will today vote for change. Chema is a teacher he says his salary hasn't gone up in seven years Monica and Carlos want a new government to tackle corruption and unemployment. But like many others, they still haven't decided who will get their vote. A lot of Spaniards are turning to a new liberal party called Citizens. Their leader Albert Rivera is just 36. Many others will vote for 37-year old Pablo Iglesias

2:04:52 and his anti-austerity party Podemos. But the favourite to win the most votes is the current Prime Minister, Mariano Rajoy His conservative Popular Party claims credit for taking the economy from crisis to growth I'm thinking it's going to be Spain because there is going to be a lot of uncertainty and strange news out this election We're both overlooking the obvious which is the story we did on Putin complimenting Trump. Oh, and this is a Trump show? It's a Trump show! Okay... And Putin comes out says, Trump is great! So Trump's gonna have Miss Russia win? That wouldn't surprise me. That's a good one that's a good one I like that. One thing though the bodies may not be the same well of course it's not the same thing runway model's not the same as Miss Universe

2:05:49 But there's new legislation in Paris as we have the fashion has been going on how many decades when I was a little kid That was one year old this was going on, but now it know what you but now its legislation Now there's a law these days. You can be too skinny in Paris Is now banning excessively thin fashion models? Violators will be fined up to 75 thousand euros or more than eighty-one thousand dollars and could even hey Hey, come here eat this bagel quick and face jail time the law will enforce regular weight checks Models will be required to present a medical certificate showing that the body mass index complies with regulations Before being allowed to work. I think i'm going to become a runway model inspector john But I think this is my new vocation excuse me we have to check your body fat here Can I see your medical certification make sure everything's okay? Where does cellulite come from

2:06:42 That means all the shows will be in Italy. Well wait, there's other countries who have this law as well. Well Italy doesn't I don't think they would be so foolish. Nah probably not Um, yeah. I know they've been talking about it and I've been hearing about it for decades but now there's actual legislation and there will be checks spot checks. I like to check maybe was only done just to get started new industry of bureaucracy of model checking well I think we should be in the front of the line my good friend that would be very good show myself by donating to no agenda imagine all the people who could do that oh yeah

2:07:28 Well, we have a very few people to thank so we'll thank them all. At least the few. Dame Beth Baronetess of Baja in Tucson Arizona 12206 and she says Heil! The lady birthday greetings from my 17 year old niece Miss Elizabeth no pics for Adam She apparently was hit in the mouth during a combo birthday. Oh nice! PCH road trip. Beautiful And it dropped... she has a birthday too I guess in December Yes, she does. Is she on the list to? Yep Morris Consulting 7777 from Luster Wages Nevada Christopher Tropp in Sturgis Michigan 7337 at Palindrome

2:08:21 James Zuckel in Los Angeles, California 69-69. Eric Thornburg in Honolulu Hawaii 55-55 Richard Biggs and Fairview Tennessee double nickels on the dime along with Dean Roker parts unknown 55 10 Fabrice Shumi in Anaheim California a mile high club 50 to 80 Mike Mirva in Youngstown, Ohio. Another Mile High Club member 5280 he's got a long thing here used to work this is gonna maybe good so you've been listening since the beginning of the year I'm here first time donor like to donate to show

2:09:02 777, which is my second favorite aircraft next to the Boeing 717. I've never been on this one plane... I haven't flown on one either now. I haven't seen one but it could get..I could not get any money together make donations until now. I've been unemployed since July used to work for Air Tran airways then got swallowed up by John's favorite airline the Peanut Express Southwest Like peanuts, would you like two peanuts? No no it's peanuts or pretzels. Yes but recently they have been very low on the pretzels and so I'm getting... Explain again what we dislike about peanuts on the plane Well there is a number of things First of all i do not like when at the beginning of the flight

2:09:51 Ladies and gentlemen because we have a passenger who is allergic will be no peanuts on the plane. No peanuts on the plane Yeah, I've never had that's actually has never happened several times to me well what I don't like is you got these guys and it's cuz people are all staring forward kind of like putty in one of the Seinfeld episodes just staring into blank looking ahead And they take the peanut thing and then they dump the peanuts in their hand oh And then they make a fist. And then they shake, shake, shake the fist and then they punch themselves kind of in the mouth and not in a no agenda way but kinda about sideways and maybe a peanut comes out and they chew on it and then they shake, shake, shake and pop, do it again, they pop themselves in the face and get some peanuts out of their fists full of peanuts I don't know but if...I just find it so annoying to witness this

2:10:43 That's what I don't like about the peanuts. Yeah, I mean you just want to say what are you doing? Everybody is sitting there sit and listen to the show not going oh crap everybody knows someone who does this Everyone knows someone who does it shake shake shake shake And then they have to wipe their hand, they wipe it on their pants and trousers. Yeah, they get all that goo and all kinds of salt on their hands...and then the worst part is something that really bugs me. So you get people who got like a...I've seen this happen I really get irked when I see this at dinner Is this a screed or rant? This will be a rant Screeds are usually fairly well-structured. Rants are just, you know... they're more radical. Oh thank you for the compliment! Well it wasn't a compliment. It seems to me when I say well structured it means that you were planning it. So now okay so you got this salt all over your hands and you've got a plate full of food and so you kind of do this and rub your hands over the food

2:11:46 I know. Have you ever seen this? Yes, of course! Of course! What are you- what are you knocking all the dead skin and salt and who knows what's in your hands... And it's all falling on the food that you prepared for them to eat?! And now it's contaminated with God knows what And it's just like and then so what do you do in a case like this? I call him out. Oh, I just stand up and fart in their face Okay anyway that's my little gripe about the peanuts Is that what you wanted me to talk about that might that complete complaint yeah Thank You Brian Leslie in Bremerton Washington 51 50 he says Merry Christmas

2:12:27 And now we have $50 donors, and I'll read them in order. We're already there... Charles Brochetti in Incheon, South Korea. And he says that... Incheons I've reclaimed and he says there's no fish in the streets and it's not flooded. Keep us up to speed on the fish in the streets! The South Korean fish? I will tell you as far as mud flats are concerned today and it's been raining. Do you want to do an official report or what? Yes, I'm going to do official report this is outrageous okay hold on a second i wasn't prepared for this he's just padding the section yeah padding the section because of what's happening in Greenland right now the maps of the world will have to be redrawn hit it down! This is what would happen to San Francisco Bay

2:13:24 Now we go to the mudflats to see if were drowning. Yeah, John C. Dvorak what do you see out of your window? Mud! This is the lowest tide has been for I think any show we've ever done There is... The mud flats are like there's like hardly any water in there at all It says though that oceans have dropped a foot That doesn't sound possible What about the rising oceans? I don't know it just mystifies me something's not right We're up to date on global warming. Paul Roberson in Uppertrack, West Virginia $50 and these are all 50s and he says Merry Christmas again Steve Winslow Bristol Avon UK Chris Moore in Indianapolis Indiana Diana Carothers in Tumwater Washington where they used to make a beer

2:14:21 Andrew Haverson in Gravenhurst or gravin Hurst grave Ravenhurst. I think it's in Canada Michael Gates and Colorado Springs, Colorado that's it we're done dying was quick easy dying one two three four five six seven eight $50 donors, this is kind of low. We do have a few people that donated 25 bucks to wish us a happy... Even that is kind of small number. I was hoping they'd get some action for just a Merry Christmas. It's okay we'll just plot on through. Yep! There will be something to discuss there always is something going on it's not all just retrospectives and year-end lists which is pretty much... Best stuff! Yeah so if you... Best stuff 2015

2:15:06 And I know how these work because nobody really works during his last two weeks of the year. They throw this crap together if you will, if you critically watch these best doves, you always pull a hair out here and go what? How did you leave out and you have your own favorite best stuff that should be on the list. I spent probably about 20 minutes last night. I forget who had it. They had everybody who died in 2015 157 people Celebrities? Yeah, not all celebrities in you know like movie actors or, or, but you know scientists people you would know and generally just about everybody. And it was quite a list we lost a lot of good people

2:15:47 Huh, yeah. So you watch the whole thing? It was just a slideshow I was just clicking through. Seeing new ads with every click-through. You know what's cool about those slide shows when you have ad blocker... Yeah they don't work! No they do work! Not my... Okay maybe. They works like this you go click click click dead guy dead get click click click and then there's a blank page That's the ad. What is a blank page doing? I didn't realize it was an ad! It's an ad, exactly. So you click again and here comes more characters... Yeah we don't take ads on this program which is why we can speak in the way that we do and have... And we could like for example, and this would've been a good lead-in for this segment which I forgot about but now that you mention it We could for example talk about LifeLock

2:16:34 Really? And their hundred million dollars that was very underreported. Oh, I don't know about this at all! They're having to pay to their customers Well hold on let's put that into the c-block after i do the birthdays and thank everybody how does that sound okay yes we'd be sorry We have another show coming up on Thursday it'll be Christmas Eve we're working your support is needed Dvorak dot org slash n a And we start off with two belated birthdays. You heard her there in the donation segment, Dame Beth celebrated on December 2nd We say happy birthday to her and she also congratulates her niece Miss Elizabeth 17 no pictures Adam She's celebrating on December 6th Also today Trev Merkins says happy birthday to his son Oscar

2:17:22 He will be 16, or he turns 16 tomorrow. There you go! And of course we say happy birthday to Steven Voisiero who turned zero on Thursday Happy Birthday from all your buddies here and Merry Christmas from the best podcast in the universe! And we congratulate Sir Richard Bagwell, who becomes Viscount even though he doesn't really care too much. Yeah well it's okay. Seem to care... It's okay! Okay still a Viscount Hey tell me about uh did someone because I think the promise with LifeLock was if your identity gets stolen then we promised to spend up to a million dollars on fixing it or something? Or they spend whatever they have to so apparently

2:18:09 I I'm not gonna say, I am not absolutely sure what their model might be. Their business model which might be just collect as much money as you can and then if somebody gets their identity stolen which seems unlikely to a person that would be so conscientious has to hire these guys to do this. So they probably won't get your identity stolen, you'd just be throwing money at the company. They have been fined or sued like a class action and the government's going after them for like 100 million, it got $100 million companies can't afford this, for not doing anything. The only article that showed up is I think Seeking Alpha may have had a thing because of the stock market. But no it's not covered because these guys are

2:18:54 used by everyone because their main marketing technique was radio shows. You heard life luck stories on Rush Limbaugh, I don't know if Michael Savage but all the right wing guys use them and you have different most of the podcasters have gone through a life like moment. Yeah, and they won't say anything. This is the reason that we have to do the show the way we're doing it. That's why people do have to support this show with...you know as opposed to going to watch... Yeah because no one will report on...yeah, no one will report on things that are messed up with the advertisers such as Archer Daniel Midlands and Burlington Northern and Boeing and Raytheon and these are all advertisers not on podcasts but yeah

2:19:37 Yeah, I've noticed something that's been popping up in restaurants here in Austin. Austin is a great restaurant town What are the little bean sprouts called? You know, just like the little shoots with the little leaves on them that you put kind of as a garnish on top of stuff. Oh yeah! That... what is that? There's some passé around here but it's not to me In Europe we call it taugue I think It's this little green thing It's called greens or something Sprouts! It's called sprouts here But not bean sprouts, the Chinese beansprouts. These are the little green ones that you're talking about? Yeah and now in two different eateries here in Austin they present these and there's a great little restaurant called Gardner on the east side farm to table and this is where I first picked it up and these are fairly inexpensive places to eat if you can get a reservation because they're small

2:20:31 And now in that restaurant, and I forget the other one. They present this like oh we have here and the chef has made this and blah blah... ...and on top of it you have some nice micro greens. Micro greens? And they're all using these micro greens! And be on the lookout for this. Well, now that you mention it... A microgreen is a tiny vegetable green that is used both as a visual and flavor component of ingredients primary in the dining restaurants, fine dining restaurants. Fine dining chefs use microgreens to enhance the beauty taste and freshness of their dishes with these delicate textures. This is something I'm not...I'm just talking through my hat

2:21:13 But if I'm not mistaken, and they do sell these at the store. They had...I think Monterey Foods here in the Berkeley area has these you can buy them by the handful. And I think there is a so popular, I believe them to be hydroponically...it's a hydroponic thing. And therefore that you can call him... We can call them whatever you want, but you can grow them by the gross load because it's just there is no real nutrient. It's like cardboard. It's a green cardboard. I'm waiting for someone to say they're micro veggies and then I would feel much better than that. Micro veggies! I'd walk out.

2:21:55 I'm looking at related searches, here's related searches. Microgreen seeds where you can do it yourself. List of microgreens. Hydroponic greens so that's what it is. How to grow microgreens as a growing microgreens, microgreen seeds, petite microgreens edible flowers the same thing. Yeah yeah yeah. I'm just gonna call them micro veggies from now on You might as well, yeah. I said take those back! I want micro veggies Okay it looks like it's mostly amaranth and arugula Oh Some basil that you have...you can grow micro basil Alright This is a nonsense this is a what can we do to like jack up the price of the fruit? It's marketing Yeah I don't know if you're ready but I think I'll try it anyway The techies are all over the resources

2:23:01 That's right now entering second half of show As you know, I do not uh...I'm never afraid to explore areas that could put me into great ridicule Or great danger. There is great danger too And and i have a feeling there may be something and this is all just speculation and who knows this flat earth concept that's been going on. Not again! Yeah, it's worth talking about and there are two parts to what I want to say so this really is...I'm just seeing it everywhere people are sending me lots of information then there's a number of not-so much that people can prove the earth is flat but there are a number things

2:23:56 Tough to explain that prove the world is not flat. It's a sphere or something else and what I'm just... Something else? Hold on a second, you've introduced a new element here! Yeah um oblique. A block perhaps? Oblique, oblique, oblique. Okay yeah this is actually Neil deGrasse Tyson says it's oblique he says that the world is little fatter in the middle and we're kind of like a squashed sphere That's what he says The thing that bothers me is, and I tried to look up the etymology. Could not find it...I never really even considered any of this or wasn't probably not even open if someone sent me an email about Flat Earth but for the past couple of years it's been this

2:24:43 Oops. No, that's not it. You know that's coming! Neither one of those... That's neither one of those no its this one Nobody has a monopoly on what is a very hard problem But I don't have much patience for anyone who denies that this challenge is real We don't have time for meeting of the Flat Earth Society Now This Is I think The first Time in my life I've ever heard That Phrase Is this a phrase that you are familiar with? It sounds familiar, but I don't... Absolutely. But who used this in recent memory? The Flat Earth Society? Well saying we don't have time for meeting of the Flat Earth Society That whole phrase? Yeah. I don't know about the whole phrase. Yeah well... But I've heard of flat earth society Right! And i think it's why does it come up all of a sudden

2:25:30 In fact, flat-earth people are... Maybe it's code. Well I think it's triggering is what it is. I don't think flat earth people are necessarily against climate change in fact I've found a lot of evidence the contrary but here's two questions I have for you Oh that's an interesting way to go did you know that most flat earthers are all in on climate change ipso facto If so facto yeah, what's that means the answer is obvious now that did climate change is bullcrap just like the flat earth is Well The curvature problem is the one that interests me the most Why are you doing that? Well if if you do the calculations mm-hmm

2:26:16 then because of the curvature of the earth you should not be able to see a lot of things and the most prominent example that is used is a lighthouse. And if you look at, after six miles or so distance, you should not be able to see a 70-foot lighthouse because the curvature should drop it off more than 100 feet And this is a mathematical problem that is being addressed, but no one seems to be able to explain exactly what's happening and why the rules as we've been told are not what we see. Well there's a lot of anomalies atmospheric anomalies that you can see the lighthouse when you shouldn't be able to see it over the horizon I mean this is like those lights you saw in whatever the name of that town is... Marfa? Marfa

2:27:02 you know that's some screwball anomaly too. I mean these things happen but they consistently people are trying to make the measurements work as we're, you know based on the circumference of the earth and the drop that you should have in the curvature of the earth and then numbers just don't work out Maybe the numbers are wrong. So, the circumference of the Earth's numbers are wrong? No! Whatever numbers we're dealing with... These guys' numbers are all pigeonhole numbers I'm sure they plug in these things and that could be all bogus Have you talked to an actual geologist? Who do you want a geophysicist for? Well, I'm bringing it up You need to go to the university over there and talk to somebody

2:27:42 This is the moment of insanity. It's not insanity, I'm just asking questions in second half of show where it belongs Yes well I realize this isn't the right part of the show there's no doubt about that but...I'm hoping for more space aliens and flying saucer chit chat as opposed to flat earth chit-chat I think it's more interesting. I think there are a lot of people who are questioning, a lot of smart people who are questioning this and i think we have a lot of smart people who can provide us with more information. Okay Okay, no it's good. I'm glad you're talking about this and getting your chest It's just as look it's just a simple question No Why did why do none of the calculations of the curvature of the earth work? Why do they not work now the second part is have you ever seen the moon when it comes up over the horizon But I'm not gonna play the game with you because I don't have the answer I'm talking about the curvature of the earth

2:28:41 That's all I have a question about. I'm just trying to get some answers, because I'd be the first to scoff at people but I have some very serious mathematical questions which i'm not good at and you're just saying the numbers are screwy that's not much of an argument well I don't know...I don't have an argument I definitely cuz I think this is such a nonsense topic Do you know that there is no plain, just single picture of the Earth from space? That these are all composites. that NASA's pictures, they admit it. They're all composites of the Earth there is not...there does not exist a single picture like the one you always see It is a composite made of many different even from light data this made up! It is NOT a true picture of the Earth NASA says we can't do that We can take the picture would never look good so we make a composite which is therefore true. Yeah because with your wide angle lens it would be very difficult A wide-angle lens? From the moon?!

2:29:42 Well, the moon picture I don't know what to deal with that but it seems sketchy. It's just little things like that Alright Is that it? Well... I have a suggestion Yeah Theremin Now entering second half of show Leaving! Now leaving! Exiting You don't have an exiting I don't have an exit Well, I'm sorry you feel that way

2:30:26 Hey, there's some crap going down in Poland that I want to talk about before it's too late. Yeah so first of all here is the first report. The Polish are getting a little antsy about things and you can understand kind of when your best Your best ally who wants to put ICBMs and all kinds of weaponry in your country does not allow you to be in the visa waiver programs or polls are still not allowed. Yeah, they're irked about this! They should be irked about it that's an outrage. We'll put some missiles in your backyard but you can't get a visa waiver...you're not in the visa waiver program uh... but the the polish in general a little bit disturbed about this new government which we need to speak of all second consecutive week thousands of demonstrators have taken to the streets of poland cities to protest against the new conservative government since the law and justice party won the elections in october critics have accused the new regime of trying to use it the constitutional court by replacing judges was the attack on the constitutional court could lead to a situation where there's no protection of democracy

2:31:25 Poland will be in danger of dictatorship by the majority, which is the simplest way to The Law and Justice Party controls the houses of Parliament and the Presidency, leaving the court as the only effective check on its power say critics. Demonstrations organized by a group called the Committee for the Defense of Democracy took place in 20 cities." Okay so that last bit was a clue... The Committee for the Defense of Democracies? This seems to be connected to a rather large US non-governmental organization which is the committee for ummm what is it called when I just say it was

2:32:01 Something about the for democracies. Yeah, so again, they end again ending and sorry home on what was that called? The commission has effective check on its power say critics. Demonstrations organized by a group called the Committee for the Defense of Democracy took place in 20 cities. Yeah, so it's the defense of democracies and I just came in this morning because I didn't have enough time to really go deep into the NGO part but usually when you have a government in a country that we have little bit issue with or when you get people in line

2:32:36 saying, then you know, then NGOs start to act up and they start to...you know. Then we get all kinds of protests that happen in Egypt. It's what we do is what we do. That's why the Russians kicked NGOs out. Exactly. Now, the new government consists of Kaczynski and this is a... I'm sure some relation somewhere to Ted but these were the brothers and the other brother who was president of Poland you'll recall he and entire plane of Polish government officials and elites died in Russia. Yeah they were murdered by the Russian government. They were murdered by the Russian government

2:33:14 Now, what is... Everybody knows this. So now we have the brother of the murdered Kaczynski and he's making a lot of noise about the North Stream 2 Now, as we know Russia has a very tight relationship with Germany. They already have the North Stream A lot of gas flows directly into Germany they are able to pump some of that... ...they reverse and they pump it out to Europe but this new one which is going to be completely bypasses Poland now there's a pipeline that goes right through Poland right into Germany The Yamal Pipeline

2:33:53 And, you know, it's all well that's okay. But of course when the Russians see the US interests are really racking up in Poland they're going to go around this so goes around Poland under the North Sea that was the gripe of the first Kaczynski And now the new Kaczynski is bringing this up in the EU Parliament and he's making some very valid points that we need to keep our eye on. The Commission has assessed that if Nord Stream 2 were to be constructed, it would increase Europe's dependence on one supplier and concentrate 80% of Russian gas imports on one route It would also lead

2:34:32 a dominant position of Gazprom on the German market by increasing its share to over 60%. In my perspective, Nord Stream does not help diversification nor would it reduce our energy dependency. But it is of course for the Commission to conclude its technical and legal assessment on whether or not it is in line with our conclusions today." Yeah I'd think not! So, keep your eye on the cozying relationship between Germany and Russia. And how Poland is being kept at bay...being kept out of this. And from an EU perspective it's not a nice thing that's being done there's a direct pipe through Poland but everything is going to be pumped through Germany now. That's interesting! Well that makes up for your flat earth stuff.

2:35:34 I haven't caught this at all and they're kind of annoyed by it. I don't know what to say now, i mean is like it makes up for my flat earth stuff yeah just don't pay any attention the man behind the curtain...I'm behind a curtain right now okay do you think that we're behind the NGO? Yeah I think so Russia has Newland visited that's what I have not but I do not think she's been there recently But you don't know. I mean, you just don't know if it's F the EU right? Then F the EU except for Germany. Germany is only country that matters really from a geopolitical standpoint so we'll see

2:36:21 We'll see. Everyone's trying to stop it, so you know the Turkey...the Turkish pipeline is now of course because of the downing of the Russian jet that's a bit-that's on hold. The South Stream through Hungary Nabucco is completely gone we've seen that come and go in our life in our-in the show's lifetime and now the North Stream which people have died over is is now coming to fruition and it's cutting a lot of people out Ukraine is of course obviously no longer necessary and it's going to be a big pipe which will give Germany, I think as a... Maybe it was Tusk actually who was talking not Kaczynski. Yeah he's in the EU. You know it's going to give a stranglehold. It'll be a Russian-German stranglehold on Europe's gas supply so are we behind it? Maybe but something is going on. It's hard to follow some of this stuff. I know! I know! It boggles the mind

2:37:21 It's like, what? Now who is white and they're trying to turn into a dictatorship in Poland. A monopoly! Oh, in Poland I don't know...I think Poland is really just anti-US right now and with some good reason And what's the point of that? Of being anti-US. No, of us not allowing them to have visas! We've discussed this... Yeah I know we have but it's like... Do you want to hear the reasoning again? Yes Is that the Jews in Congress don't like the Polish Jews what they did in the Second World War Fuck em! no visa for you Oh thats right You did this before and I think there may be something to that

2:38:05 There could be old... Yes, there's a possibility. I know that even when I was younger and in fact lived in Chicago when I was little kid this element came up because in Chicago during that era before it became the mix of cultures as is today, there were no Hispanics for example, it was Jews Polish and blacks. Right right. It was three main ethnic groups in Chicago and they had their little enclaves But you'd run into, it wasn't that the groups didn't mix. And you would run into this back then... You heard this at the polls during World War II sold to Jews out and which is not necessarily true I don't think it's necessary true either yeah and then there has been a grudge ever since and I think yeah there's probably an element of that which is stupid Yeah

2:39:02 Well, it's not going to get any better with the visa waiver program under attack and that will be my final for today so we can get out on time. We have... let me see oh this is okay I got two and a kicker this will be good Here we have...so a lot of talk, there was big conversation. Big discussion about the visa waiver program and changes that need to be made and then Senator Grassley took the floor and talked about something that I guess I knew about but of course never really qualified but he said some interesting things about another program that we have ignored as an entire country. An omnibus appropriation bill was filed

2:39:44 to keep government operating for the remainder of this fiscal year. This bill includes a straight and clean extension of a program called the EB-5 Immigration Waiver Investor Program. This program has been plagued with fraud and abuse, but more importantly it poses significant national security risk Allegations suggesting the EB-5 program may be facilitating terrorist travel, economic espionage money laundering and investment fraud are too serious of warnings against this bill to ignore yet they're being ignored. The omnibus bill then fails to include much needed reforms

2:40:45 The spending bill being considered by the House and Senate then is a major disappointment. I'm frustrated that despite the alarm bells and whistleblower warnings warning us in Congress about the EB-5 program, Republican and Democrat leadership in the House and Senate decided to simply extend the program without any changes This was a missed opportunity to protect America. I'm pretty well versed in the immigration do's and don'ts, certainly the don'ts in United States. I had not heard of the EB-5 visa program But you did some research? I did! I have it right here

2:41:34 This enables you to enter the United States under a visa, which you are an EB-5 visa if you adhere to the following. You will start a business in the United States in which you will invest a minimum of $500,000 and will create at least 10 jobs that is all the requirements there are And as I'm reading through the materials on this we even discussed this awhile back it was like You know like 40 Chinese people showed up and they'd all put $500,000 into building some mall And it was you know like some like in East LA or like some corner where nothing was going on But this is this is a here's a back door for you All I need is 500 grand and then you say gonna create. You don't have to have the 10

2:42:26 employees created at that point, but you have to promise that and maybe there's some follow through in checkup. This is a pretty gaping hole. That's not a lot of money to come in as a terrorist. My question is why would you bother dropping $500,000? You just sneak into the Mexican border or you can come in as a student or any of these things that are cheaper. It sounds like a waste of money! The logic of this eludes me The logic of getting rid of it? Of having to spend that much money to be a terrorist. Or, well there was money laundering was mentioned, espionage was mentioned... There's a lot of things that were mentioned there. He did all this stuff because he is like a paranoid freak, that guy Grassley. Yeah well, there's that. I don't know

2:43:14 No, I don't like the this thing it's like if but there's something else that we're doing this you can buy a Citizenship for the United States or something for some money really? Yeah something. I was hearing about it. I know you can do in Canada You think you need a half million or million or something some amount of money to get a Canadian citizenship well It just seems pretty In light of the recent visa conversation we've been having and about the vetting of people through social media, you will be very happy to hear this next clip which will be my final one for the weekend because you are right. And I know it feels good.

2:44:12 visas basically you see it up on the screen. What was the concern in that memo focused on terror threats? Fraud, crime and national security Joe and it explicitly said national security is one of the reasons that you'd want to look at this. At this time we have a source a former senior DHS official who said not only was this not done but people in the customs offices had firewall preventing them from even getting on these sites. So this was an attempt to do this and this very memo that we've now obtained, published for the first time went through layers of review went up the line a year of reviews it would authorize this type of access it would try to create this program and ultimately was not adopted I want tell you one more thing... Let me stop you there because your telling us no only did the administration say NO to this proposal to review social media accounts for national security purposes

2:45:02 But they actually enacted firewalls to prevent people from taking a look at an applicant's social media pages, Facebook pages, Twitter accounts. Well we have sources that say those firewalls existed partly to keep people from goofing off on the job Thank you It was great that we have an official source backing up. That's great. Yeah, it is great There's a good cut does a good catch your listen the morning Joe along with the view yeah You know I do it all I do it to all right you haven't shot yourself I do it to offset my flat earth put the gun into but a thing on the guy put the gun in his safe and

2:45:45 You have so much faith in me. It's it's just touching and he ever listen to the talk Yeah, oh this is good I agree and the real that's the one you know I don't think so Oh yeah, not gonna watch that no the real well tonight We know what you'll be watching well yeah before I done tape it Tape it watch it later maybe but the good thing is we'll at least have a winner or that we can discuss And there'll be It'll be a right. It'll be a geo geopolitical winner yeah, and Russia's now at my target I'm still calling Spain Spain seems like a long shot. I can't think of anything else though

2:46:31 Anyway, we will be back on Thursday. Please remember us for this Christmas at Dvorak dot org slash NA coming to you from the capital of the drone star state in downtown Austin Texas in the morning everybody I'm Adam Curry and I'm John C Dvorak up here in northern Silicon Valley where the mud flats are muddier than ever We'll be back on Thursday right here on no agenda Yes citizen You may return to your harpsichord Bitch, look it up. It's science! Glenn called in from Salt Lake City Utah. Glenn good morning Hi good morning My question is since we're spending all this money where are we getting the money from? And my second question is if I can shit in your mouth Danger Will Robinson! Danger Nolan! Danger! The government totally sucks you motherfucker The government totally sucks Unflexible

2:47:33 Yeah, the world's next to me. Somebody get me an appletini. The government told me so. You have to figure out, alright what do we do from here? And you're right. We've gotta get some jobs. I want some jobs!

2:48:28 We must. We will. What the hell did he say? I don't know. We're with you! But resist, we must. We must and we will much about that be committed

2:49:48 We must. I'm Joe Biden and thank you for taking the time to listen.

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