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00:03 Adam Curry, John C. Dvorak. Coming to you live from both corners of Gitmo Nation, this is No Agenda for March 5th, 2009. This is No Agenda. From the Crackpot Command Center in Southwest London, better known as Gitmo Nation East, I'm Adam Curry. And John C. Dvorak here in Northern Silicon Valley, better known as Gitmo Nation West or The Gitmo Nation. Crackpot and Buzzkill! In the morning! You gotta be careful not to overproduce now. Yeah, well, I think that's gonna happen. Hey John! Good to talk to you. I drove a million miles just to talk to you today. Where were you? I was coming from France, driving. You drove from France? Yes I did. So you know that, of course we all know that means you put your car inside the tunnel? Yes I did. Well actually, let me rephrase that. I put my daughter's car inside the tunnel.

01:08 I figured you know since I only have that's the only car we have left I sold the the other two since we're in the city and she has a brand new Renault Twingo Yes, you know we've talked about this car before. Google that one. Yeah, it's not really a... I can just see you driving that thing. It's got to be one of the funniest sights in history. Did you even fit in it? Yeah, I gotta tell you it was very comfortable. It was not bad at all. Now of course it's a 1.5 liter engine so once you get into some hill territory you better be moving over into the left-hand lane because you're the slow guy.

01:47 But yeah, it was pretty good. I mean, it's got a it's like a driving iPod. It's got a great sound system it does not have a lot of Exterior noise and if you know you can cruise along at about 80 miles an hour, and it's it's pretty decent When did they open the channel again? I thought it was shut down from that fire. Yeah, they opened it up. Well now it's completely open because they had one tube closed. I think they have three tubes. It's interesting because I was just reading up on that. That you know they still predict it's going to take 8 to 12 months before traffic is really back up to its pre-fire levels. Let me tell you there was no one on this train.

02:23 That's because nobody knows it's running I think. I didn't know. There were 40 cars at best that I saw go on. Now this is a midday trip but still. I was reading they just turned a profit. The that's good. Well, yeah after they screwed the bondholders by giving him 10 cents to the to the euro in a refinance never happy refinance deal billions of euros wiped off the balance sheet they they just reported they made 50 million euro pre-tax profit So, yeah, it's still a great way to go. I agree. I took that ride and I was impressed. I mean, I did take a bunch of photos inside the cars because I noticed there was a little more wear and tear. Which is forbidden. Flash photography forbidden in the tunnel.

03:15 Well, that wasn't when I was taking, I wasn't taking flash photography anyway, but why? If you look outside, there's nothing but a cement wall. What are you taking a picture of? It's going by at like 150 miles an hour. John, we're slaves. Just shut up, sit down and follow instructions. I don't make up the rules. I noticed that they also made it illegal taking pictures in London, you know, which is a tourist place. You know, there's Jack Straw is the guy behind all this. Well, it's... don't forget there's Jackie Smith, who is the... What does the name Jack got to do... I think it's because they're jacking the public around. Jack Boot? They call her Jack Boot Jackie. The... what is she... do they call her Secretary of Homeland? Of the Home Office? I think it's Secretary of the Home Office. She's a frightening woman.

04:09 But there's lots of stuff going on here in Gitmo Nation East, John. Well, let's run them down to us poor dummies over here where we don't get any real news whatsoever. We did get some news about the swingers in England. There's a bunch of them apparently. Wait a minute. And also, hey, by the way, Brittany's got a new tour and it's gonna have to do with the circus in some way, shape or form. I don't know what that means. In about 15 minutes from now, Michael Jackson will be announcing his string of dates at the O2 Arena. They've got helicopters circling above. I was just listening on the radio as I was driving in. He was supposed to make an announcement at the O2 Arena at 4 o'clock this afternoon. And he just left his hotel in his bus at 10 past 4. Before he gets to the O2 Arena, it'll be 6 o'clock. They've got thousands of people waiting there, helicopters hovering overhead. And this is supposed to be his big comeback announcement.

05:05 Well, you know, we have a lot of action going over here too. You know, while the economy is collapsing and people are getting thrown out of their houses and all the rest of it, there's a whole huge protest on both sides of the issue because today the California Supreme Court is going to listen to arguments about Proposition 8, the gay marriage initiative. And that seems to be the most important thing anybody can deal with here. Alright, let's get into some real news then. Before I shoot myself twice Bank of England reduced its interest rate to 0.5% Another record low for the bank for in its entire. What is it 300 year history?

05:47 And they have announced immediate quantitative easing of the economy, John. Have you heard this term, quantitative, or as they say in England, quantitative, which I find impossible to pronounce. Quantitative. Quantitative. Quantitative. No, the term over here that's being bandied about is mild depression. No, no, no, no, no, no. Quantitative easing is an action that is being undertaken by the government Oh, it's called printing money. Oh, yeah, so they're now going to brag about it over here. Yeah, no, we just do a lot of it. So now they're following suit. They're going to start buying up assets and and companies, of course, that'll only be banks. And they're doing that with new money, printed money, because they need to protect themselves by creating some inflation because, oh, no, it's not good. Everything's deflating.

06:43 Shit's getting cheaper for everybody can't have that That's the way it works and that's what they should be doing because if you got your interest rates at point five When they should be you know traditionally at three or or more one has anything under six What are you talking about the banks are marking it up by five and a half percent? You can't get a mortgage for one or two percent. No way Mm-hmm Did you know that Gordon Brown was in Washington? Did any of that reach you amidst all of this Proposition 8 and Britney Spears news? We, all we know is that apparently Gordon Brown was supposed to meet with Obama and Obama says it's snowing so they call it a snow day.

07:24 Really? Oh man. And they never had the meeting. That's the last I heard. Maybe they had the meeting since. Well, there were a couple of snow days being called. Nancy Pelosi was supposed to speak at the Al Gore. Tony Blair was there at the Global Warming Conference. Of course she got snowed out. Couldn't land for the Global Warming Conference. Global warming snowed out. Which I think is just great. Now Gordon Brown, now this is... This is what I it's being seen as a huge snub over here. He is the first European Prime Minister to visit Obama at at our White House and only the fifth Prime Minister ever to address a joint session of Congress and he got As you're right, he got he I think got a half-hour meeting with Obama a half hour, which is like, you know You do an half an hour

08:22 and then uh... yeah she takes fifteen minutes to shake all the hands and then uh... did obama did not even invite him to lunch he had a working lunch with some other guys and then he did his speech to the joint session of congress where i think he received uh... sixteen standing ovations Except when he said we should tackle this financial problem together. You could have heard a pin drop. I just wanted to play a little bit and then get your reaction to Mr. Gordon Brown. Hold on, here it comes. So let it be said of the friendship between our two countries that it is in times of trial true in face of fear faithful and amidst the storms of change constant

09:11 And let it be said of our friendship also, formed and forged over two tumultuous centuries, a friendship tested in war, strengthened in peace, that it is not just endured, but is renewed each generation to better serve our shared values and fulfill the hopes and dreams of the day. Here it comes. Not an alliance of convenience, it is a partnership of purpose. Purpose. Alliances can wither or be destroyed, but partnerships of purpose are indestructible. Friendships can be shaken, but our friendship is unshakable. Treaties can be broken, but our partnership is unbreakable. And I know that there is no power on earth that can ever drive us apart. Sounded to me like a big brown-nose session. Gordon Brown-nose. Well, let's take a look at what he said.

10:09 Let's see, we only became friends with the British around 1916, 1917. Yeah, I mean, didn't we have like a little argument with them? It's not how it all started. We actually had two arguments with him. We had one in 1776, where we told him to pound salt and we kicked him out of the country. And then, of course, they reattacked us in the War of 1812 and burnt down the US Capitol building in Washington, DC. Damn you Brits! And then we hated them until around 1916. And by the way, the Civil War in 1860, if you look at any history book written between 1860 and 1900, they all blame the British and the French for fomenting the war.

11:02 and it was we were in deep this series of it was with deep hatred for the british until about you know night like i said it right just for world war one when we were propagandized uh... into supporting their the british in the uh... within in that war because of the banks uh... having some issues with financing it they're going broke g what is that it was a how many years ago eighty Yeah, I guess so. Uh-huh. Okay. Actually, 90. We're a little behind. 90 years ago. And so we've had, and then ever since then, of course, we've been their good pals. And we have a special relationship, John. Special relationship. So we've had a special relationship for about 91 years, and a relationship of hate for over 100.

11:53 So, this thing happening could be... you know, a reverting, a turning point. Like him and hate him, like him and hate him. Maybe Obama's telling them to screw themselves because they're the ones, especially if you look at what the Scots said about what's an American problem when we were starting to have trouble economically and everybody over there was like, eh, screw you, you irresponsible boneheads, you get what you deserve, we're not gonna do it. And now, you know, they're having more trouble than we are and it's like, well, hmm. Well, I think you're right. I think it's very possible there's a turning... look, regardless, regardless, it's a snub. You know, there was no joint press conference. I mean, it's a total like... he shines, man. It was a total screw you. Yeah, screw you. Here, talk to the plebs over here. Go ahead. Talk to the hand.

12:47 Where what is caught what caused this do we have any background do we have any understanding of why this happened in the first place? I don't know and and the thing that that bugs me even more is that at this very moment by pumping 30 billion dollars into AIG we are we are actually bailing out European banks it's European banks who are who are in trouble with AIG this our money is going to help out the Europeans and I'm telling you something. There's something to miss. Yeah, there's a missing piece of this puzzle that and Thanks to our great media over here that needs all its health help We can get never gonna find out what it is unless there's some you know something that we see on C-SPAN by accident Well, I've seen a lot of things on C-SPAN by accident this this past week that are highly entertaining Well what name two?

13:46 Well, actually, yeah. By the way, before you go on that, because you mentioned Pelosi a minute ago. Yeah. So if anybody's on the West Coast and they get a hold of the current San Francisco Express. They have an article about the savings and loan fiasco that took place during, you know, way back when. I guess it was during the Reagan administration. And they bailed out Charles Keating and the Keating Five, the Keating Seven or whatever the heck they were, and you know, all these savings and loans had to be bailed out. This was the first iteration of this sort of thing. Was McCain part of the Keating Five? McCain was, but the more interesting person that shows up in this story, Nancy Pelosi. She was apparently on the big, you know, bribery, now I wouldn't call it bribery, but let's say campaign donation tit of Charles Keating's mob. And she, when they found out about it and they were grilling her at some, apparently some of these investigations that took place, she was accusing them of being incompetent for discovering her.

14:46 Meanwhile, that got all somehow disappeared from the public record or who knows what now she's like the Speaker of the House I'm just cracking up reading this Sheila bear who is the chairman of the Federal Deposit Insurance Corporation the FDIC says Hey We're running out of money. We may not be able to insure all deposits in all banks. Have you heard this one? No Yeah, this came out, I think I saw it late last night or maybe this morning. Essentially, the way FDIC works, it's an insurance and every bank has to pay a premium to the FDIC so that they can cover if a bank goes out of business. And you know, when this whole

15:43 crisis started one of the first things that happened is the Amount that is insured federally so the government the faith and credit of the United States federally Guarantees that your money is safe up to two hundred and fifty thousand dollars I think it was a hundred or a hundred and fifty but they raised it if I'm not mistaken raised it to make people feel better well feel better no more because So first of all she says without the assessments, so that's the payments from the banks, the deposit insurance fund could become insolvent this year. Baer wrote in a March 2 letter to the industry. Now the problem is that every single bank has to pay. So you've got these smaller community banks

16:28 If they have to ante up and pay more into the insurance pot, they're essentially going to wipe out all of their, if they had them, profits and probably start to tank because of it. And Bayer is saying, well, we make no distinction in size. That's the way, that's the mandate. Not that they couldn't change it. They've changed every other mandate, including that document called the Constitution. So this is a big deal. Particularly, it sounds to me like they're trying to put the squeeze on the quality little banks, the ones that actually survived this disaster. Exactly. And did well and showed that these banking laws that were changed by Clinton, where you could have national banks essentially, because the Bank of America, like I said before, used to only be in California, and now it's national, everything else is national, and all these banks are huge monsters, they're monstrosities, the customer service is terrible.

17:22 And all these little banks like the one I use over here in my little town, a little privately held bank, they said they're never going to sell to a big company and they haven't. They've been in business since 1900. And they do great work. You can walk in and they call you at home if there's something weird happening to your account. Do you have a mortgage with them or do you do that with a bigger institution? You're not having a mortgage, I don't even know. I have a mortgage with a big crappy institution because my wife had you know I said it's a bone of contention it's one of these well I got the free credit card account and I opened it up we don't use credit cards anymore we only use of one

18:00 But it's a long story, but the fact of the matter is... Oh, shorten it. Let us into your life, John. Actually, one of the problems is that this little bank during this period where everything was going crazy, they wouldn't give anybody mortgages. They didn't think it was a good idea. Duh, really? That little bank, you think? Hmm. And so now it seems to me that what this is all about is screwing quality little banks so we have like one big national bank. Well, yeah, not just one big national bank an international bank John how many times I have to tell you that's the agenda It's gonna be the IMF is positioning itself. It's moving into place as we speak and Then this does bring us right back to the Gordon Brown Obama Flap I'd call it. It's I think it's an international flap being under reported

18:52 It's because the media does what it's told. The G20, which includes the US, this is going to be in three weeks time, I believe. It's happening over here. By the way, it's the G20 plus two. Spain and the Netherlands are both invited, even though they're not large enough to be in the G20. Of course, the Netherlands are part of the Anglo-Dutch Empire, so that's why Bilderberg, they have to be brought in. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Get back to the point. Oh, I'm going to come back to Bilderberg. So drinking club yeah, wait until you hear who's in it But you know it looks like

19:34 Europe has either a plan and they want and they need America to be a part of it or they have more likely no plan and desperately want to be a part of whatever America is doing which also seems to be pretty much no plan. I mean weren't we assured that if we didn't have all these stimuli packages signed that 500,000 Americans would lose their job every month? Well that was incorrect. It was actually more like 670,000 who lost their job in the shortest month of the year. When is this shit gonna kick in? When is it gonna work? Yeah, no, what was the point of signing it if it doesn't do anything? Yeah, and we had to rush and horrible news front page front page of the Financial Times Gordon Ramsay in trouble Gordon Ramsay has been in trouble for a while. What's the latest? Well, it looks like he's getting back to more interesting Meanwhile, that's why it's on the front page of the Times

20:31 He has broken some... Gordon Ramsey Holdings, who are about... It's interesting because it's a private company but it's so typical in a socialist society. This is the same in the Netherlands. You have to report your numbers to the Chamber of Commerce and they publish it. So everyone can look at your shit. What good is it being private if that's the case? Nothing! And then they ridicule you in the fucking paper. I hate it when that happens. So obviously the guy has to renegotiate his six million pound line. I mean that's normal in these times. But now they're saying well you know according to the filed report it looks like you know just the fact that it was filed late he's broken his covenants and he's got to be in trouble. It's really you know it's

21:13 It's a nasty thing to do but it's so typical when someone's high on the horse and he's got a big mouth and gee I've learned this first hand man when people can they will kick you in the ass so hard so hard even a stand-up publication like the Financial Times so so he's getting kicked in the butt is what you're trying to tell me yeah big time huh so what's the deal I mean what's going on with him Since it's all public. Well, this is exactly what I'm saying is that it looks like he's broken his covenants ie He hasn't paid back his loans and he's trying to refinance and then everyone's waiting for the other shoe to drop a couple of celebrity chefs have had to close their clothes Multiple restaurants over here. This is dead now are the economy here you think this is just a little taster of what you guys are gonna get just a little taster

22:08 In the Netherlands because I'm you know, I had a very European a couple of days. So I was checking out some Dutch news They already started crank this cranking this up about a year ago it was in the press saying well, you know, we have to really work on our economy and well, we think that we should raise the the retirement age and The finance minister about the boss the other day said, you know what? We're all gonna have to work longer moms You're gonna have to get off your ass and work Because of all the shortcomings, because they've bailed out Fortis and ING. So they're actually enslaving people now. That's what it sounds like. Yeah, it's true. It's absolutely true. Well, they've always yearned for the good old days of the serfdom. Well, here it is. The peasant farmer.

23:03 Hey, let's go get some more of that peasant farmers money. Speaking of farmers, John, I heard that the farmers... Is it not true that most of our corn and wheat comes from Colorado in the state, like 40%? Isn't that a huge... No, most of it comes from Nebraska. Oh, really? Nebraska? Yeah. Colorado's pretty much of a mountain state. Well I heard that the farmers are having a real hard time that you know I'm not really into these into the commodity prices of corn and wheat and pork bellies but apparently they're way underwater on on selling this stuff and it's supposedly so bad that they may not be able to plant new crops.

23:46 Well, that has not been anything good. I haven't heard this. I think if there are any farmers in the audience, I'd love to know whether you're farming... Any farmers on a hand-cranked radio, give us a call. Whether you're farming wheat or corn or if it's livestock. Yeah, let us know. Let's get the farming report in on this show. Yeah, because I don't follow farming stuff. I'm not good, but we should. We need to follow farming stuff. This is the most important business. And it's basic to survival. Absolutely. Basic to survival. Well I do know, this might be part of it. It seems as though Obama is going to pull the plug or has pulled the plug or is pulling the plug on a lot of these subsidies to these huge farming corporations that get just a pile of money for doing pretty much whatever they do anyway. I mean just on top of whatever they make because it goes back to the depression days when they used to have to subsidize the farmer.

24:43 And they kept it in play because that's how these big giant farm companies got into it. They started playing the game because they could just score all this easy money. It may be a kind of a disinformation campaign. You know to moan and groan about this stuff to benefit these big corporations the Archer Midlands McDaniels these kinds of guys that You know expecting to get the because everyone else is getting money from the government. Why aren't we kind of thing? So I'm skeptical. Let's put it that way. Well, let's let's keep our eye on it because it's it's important. It's just as important as oil And thanks to Net Pierre who just twittered that the minute we started this show the Dow lost 27 points. Well, if it wasn't for Obama it would have lost 270. That guy can't get a break. Now I think we're now, it's going to hover around this level I believe John. I think it's going to hover for a while. I was expecting a bigger rally today. Yesterday there was a rally.

25:41 Because that has to happen at a certain point you can't just keep it's almost like well in any game of craps You know the odds are it's gonna go up for a little while and I think we're gonna see some rallies Between seven and eight thousand and then and then we're probably around the summertime I think that's when we're gonna go hit six. We'll go below the Dow's way down way down right now today on three point three percent today Yeah, so far they've been nasdaq's down 3.2. Because these guys walk in lockstep. So that's Jesus. Let me get the number here What is it then 60 67? I'm gonna lose a bet here if this keeps going well My wife told me to stop betting because I've had a long streak about a 15-year winning streak time to stop everything time to stop Hey, let me yeah, go ahead. She says cuz I lost the Obama bet to a bunch of people you do I did I also took the other side on a couple people and

26:39 I love you for that. That was at 6638. Jeez Louise. Hey, you know the most I went to this Masterclass conference for Final Cut Pro. Oh, yeah, that's why you're in Europe. Yeah, the video editing program and you know what one of the most exciting things was that I learned that I'm not the only person who gets a pain in the ass from sitting down too much in editing. We had a real get-together there for a moment. What do you use? Well, I use powder. Uh-huh. I use a soft inflatable donut. It's really that's what they said everyone has pain in their ass from sitting too long sitting behind this frickin program editing shit. Unbelievable. You know I think it's time here's an idea and I thought by and by the way I've thought about this seriously and I don't know if it was triggered by Rumsfeld or whatever but to go back to the standing desk

27:41 I love standing desks by the way. The standing desk which is what Rumsfeld used and he used to do that too. I got that snarky note in one of these, you know, one of these Abu Ghraib memos. What's wrong with standing? I stand all day. And but their standing desk was extremely popular in the 1700s and I think like Thomas Jefferson used them and there's a bunch of these guys they all use standing desks because you could Stance you could stand in your ass doesn't become full of bed sores Essentially, I'm just being honest about it So, you know, maybe it's time that we we the two of us and what we bring back a standing desk. Oh Absolutely, you know I had because yeah, well, what about it? You know, here's a decision to take it one step further. No one has done this No one's done a standing computer desk. I

28:29 No, that's not true. There's plenty of them. I've looked into this. There's plenty of standing. You even have computer desks that you can raise and lower electrically. No, there's some good shit out there. Beautiful, beautiful desks. Well, I need to go to a standing desk, I think, because... I do too. I don't mind... when I write essays, I tend to... I actually don't even... I use a technique that I probably started in the 1980s before there was a mouse. And essentially, I'm a mile away from the monitor, which by the way has improved my vision enormously. And I throw my feet up on the desk and I lean back with the keyboard in my lap and I type away.

29:12 and that's why I use keyboards that have the little track point on them because that way I don't have to get up from that position and find the mouse and dick around with it. What size font do you use when you're sitting? I use a regular assistive 12-pointed. I mean I can read from a huge distance. Oh, that's great. Even though I'm near-sighted but my vision as you get older your eyeball starts to go far-sighted whether you like it or not. And so far-sighted people get extremely blind because they go so far sighted that they're the ones wearing those huge goggle glasses and their eyeballs behind them are just scary. You know, you look at them, whoa, because their eyeball is huge because it's all magnified.

29:51 But nearsighted people tend to go toward 20-20 and I'm at the point now where I really don't wear my glasses a lot. But anyway, so I use this trick of throwing my – it's very comfortable and you write and you feel like some sort of a leisurely writer. And I'm not sure I could write long essays on a standing desk but most of my time is spent surfing and doing research and stuff. where it would be nice to just walk into the office, you got a standing desk, you go right to it, you'd look up something and you walk out. You don't sit down and then once you sit down, the momentum of sitting pushes you down into the chair and you start to fall asleep.

30:31 In the 80s when I started doing radio professionally, in Europe everyone had sit-down consoles and you'd sit and you'd have everything built around you. And in the US it was all stand. Everything was stand all the time because the theory was, particularly in top 40 radio, the DJ would be more energetic if he was standing. And I buy into that. By the way, yeah, I actually worked on Tom like us this show. I came in as a guest He's one of the he was the number one top 40 guy down or whatever he talked I don't know what he was he was down in LA and then he later went up to Seattle after they changed formats and I don't know what he's doing now, but now he's got a you he was working he was working standing up and I mean it was just short of having a lavalier mic Yeah that that I've never gotten into that part the lavalier mic

31:21 But yeah, he would stand up. I should go back to stand up. I really should it's just it's hard because you know to get a desk That's pretty you got to get one that is adjustable the electric adjustable. That's just yeah, I look into it myself They're very expensive, but they're they're awesome and thank you to Who is this the Twitter this? Ecolette I think Just to remind you that according to your previous predictions on no agenda the Dow at this moment should be about 20,000. Huh?

31:58 According to predictions made previously on this show, at this period in time, the Dow should be about 20,000. Yeah, I think I'm probably the one that's responsible for that bullshit. That's correct. That's exactly what he said. Well, that's because I was thinking of the cycle looking like 1929, but it apparently doesn't. It looks exactly like so far. It looks exactly like 1890, which means the Dow is kind of languishing and it should have a little bump like in a year. and go up probably not to 20,000 or 25 by the way is one of the numbers I also bandied about. and then crash again big time and this time we had no money left and I'll be in 2013 that's my current thinking. Okay, well I believe it's been accelerated I think that it's just it's going much faster. Well no, there's no evidence that this has ever happened in history because what you're trying to say is the following the market crashed in 2000 and 2001 and started and it went, it dived and then it went kind of flat and never recovered

33:00 Until like last year when it didn't recover, it crashed more. And now it's going even down further. Actually, we're returning to 1990 price levels. on everything, including real estate. And it's going to keep going down because we're broke and we're going to have another 10, this would amount to a 20-year down cycle which has never happened in the history of the world. Well, maybe except during the 100 Years War. But I'm saying in a normal environment where there's not some crazy stuff going on, you know, like the black... Wait a minute. Wait a minute. Stop. Back up a second.

33:36 There's not some crazy stuff going on. What are you saying? Not like the black play? What are you talking about? How about how about wars everywhere? We've got to huh climate change. There's all kinds of scary things happening John oh I gotta move on man. I gotta move on to our shadow puppet theater Uh-oh. Yes, there was an announcement, some new players on the scene in the White House, as we've had several potentials who have not been able to be confirmed due to primarily tax evasion. Of course, Daschle was supposed to come in to be the health guru. And I saw this on C-SPAN. I saw President Obama introducing Nancy-Ann DeParle

33:00 Until like last year when it didn't recover, it crashed more. And now it's going even down further. Actually, we're returning to 1990 price levels. on everything, including real estate. And it's going to keep going down because we're broke and we're going to have another 10, this would amount to a 20-year down cycle which has never happened in the history of the world. Well, maybe except during the 100 Years War. But I'm saying in a normal environment where there's not some crazy stuff going on, you know, like the black... Wait a minute. Wait a minute. Stop. Back up a second.

33:36 There's not some crazy stuff going on. What are you saying? Not like the black play? What are you talking about? How about how about wars everywhere? We've got to huh climate change. There's all kinds of scary things happening John oh I gotta move on man. I gotta move on to our shadow puppet theater Uh-oh. Yes, there was an announcement, some new players on the scene in the White House, as we've had several potentials who have not been able to be confirmed due to primarily tax evasion. Of course, Daschle was supposed to come in to be the health guru. And I saw this on C-SPAN. I saw President Obama introducing Nancy-Ann DeParle

34:35 and Kathleen Sebelius. Now Sebelius is going to be the, she's currently the governor of Kansas and she's now going to be the, what is it, what's her official title? Health, health, help me out John. I don't know. What on your own your straight is swinging in the wind my I'm floundering in the pond is what I'm doing Alright, so she's supposed to be health secretary I guess is the title so what was interesting as I saw this on C-SPAN It was it was very different from any other announcement in in the fact that the room was only filled with it sounded and looked like from what I could see and on C-SPAN you get a pretty good vibe of the

35:16 of the environment because there's no voiceover and no overlays and no lower thirds, it's just the video. It was just a handful of press. Normally after an announcement like this, there's lots of applause, there was nothing. It was just dead silence, just hearing cameras go off. And then Sibelius, who seems pretty clean in general, just looking into her background, she does a little thank you very much and this is important and healthcare reform, blahdy blahdy blah. And then the president says, Nancy, do you want to say anything? And there's this little timid woman.

35:53 And she's like, well, he didn't really want to say anything. And Obama kind of ushers her up to the podium, at which point was kind of funny. The minute he was done with his introduction, you saw the two teleprompter screens get lowered. So his bit was on teleprompter. So she's stuck without the teleprompter. No teleprompter. You saw them. You saw them levitate down. There's these two boxes on either side, a little electro-motor in there, it was very cool. And then she does some little nondescript, you know, whatever, great healthcare reform, fantastic. And then I started looking up this Nancy Ann DeParley. Oh my goodness.

36:35 She is on seven boards of pharmaceutical companies own stock millions of dollars worth of stock in all of these different companies and she's going to be the white have the person in the White House on the president's team and then you know really the liaison between Sibelius and and everybody else. Ah, there's your health care reform. It's just unbelievable And she's got hundreds of thousands of shares in all these companies. We should find her portfolio and outline it. Hey, by the way, talking about Obama, do you remember when Bush was president and he was roundly criticized by the media for his use of soldiers as props?

37:27 uh... and us we criticize them soldiers as props yeah now we have a criticizing for this because it was what was the point yeah he'd be for soldiers is probably bush was the first president apparently who would give a speech with a whole bunch of soldiers behind him as props he'd be talking to an ice and be like a bit that but the fifth army will be you know behind him right and standing there you know attention you know whatever Okay, so this is the first time this is exploiting the soldiers of America. He puts himself in there. He's never even been in the army and blah blah, you know, even though he was in the Air Force. Yeah, not a lot of that criticism flying around, is there?

38:09 And now Obama, I saw him yesterday and he's standing in front of a bunch of soldiers, I don't know why. They're all back there behind him and make him look more presidential. Was this another one or was this still the Lejeune place where he... I don't know which one it was. All I know is I'm looking at this going, wait, where's the criticism of Obama pulling the same scam? You know, Obama is, you know, He's, I've said this before on the show, that he's the Steven Spielberg of presidents. He steals from the best. He takes every, you know, whatever Reagan, he does something Reagan did, he has those people, those stooges in the audience when he gives a speech, which Reagan perfected. Now he's using the Bush trick of having the soldiers in the background. They got somebody.

38:51 And this administration who has studied all the things that worked in the past. Well, that's Axelrod I think. That must be Axelrod. He's the only one who would care. Lots of flags behind him and the soldiers. Yeah, doing a beautiful job. But where's the media with their criticism? They were always leveling on Bush every time the guy turned around and farted. The media has been bought and sold and paid for and they're all afraid of losing their job and since we barely have jobs that's why we tackle these problems head on. We are patently unemployable anyway so who gives a hoot?

39:32 Actually, it was 697,000 jobs and almost 700,000 jobs lost in the shortest month of the year. Yeah, but don't forget because of this bill there were at least a million jobs saved. It's so unbelievable. So don't think of it as 700,000 jobs lost. Think of it as a net gain of 300,000. While we're at it, let's just see if recovery.gov has any news today. I haven't looked. I go to every single... Oh, they've changed it! No, no, they've changed it! Oh, they've actually changed it for... Okay, well that's... Oh, they have a new graph! Okay... This is the only change they've made so far? Yeah, this is the only... This is a significant change. They have a new graph at the top about the estimated distribution of highway infrastructure funds.

40:21 Hold on a second, I gotta move my... I have to widen my browser. Yeah, I know. That thing is huge. That's not an AIB standard banner, Obama. You gotta fix that. Now it's the same video. It's okay, it's a little makeover. But I still see no reporting. Where's the reports? I don't know. It's not there. They're here somewhere because they promised them. The National Institute of Standards and Technology will receive $610 million in funds as part of the American Recovery and Reinvestment Act. What do they need with that money? The NOAA receives $830 million? How come we can't get on this tit? The UK had a... they announced a plan two months ago, I believe, that was supposed to help small and medium businesses.

41:17 And of course there was nowhere except maybe now on realhelpnow.gov.uk, there might be a link. But no one could really figure out where to get this help. This money was like a billion pounds. And only last week did they file the appropriate paperwork so that it goes through the appropriations committee or however that works over here. They don't expect the money to be available for another two months. It's a complete fucking scam. Just scamming. You know where the money's going. It's going to... more money going to bankers. And everyone's just... you know what? We're stupid. That's what we are. We're stupid. We should be out there getting our own part of this scam. Just stupid. We can't get in on a scam. So let's talk about the Turkish Airlines flight.

42:06 Oh yes, this is one of your specialties that we need. Actually, talking about producing the show, we could have a little segment about Adam investigates something. It could be a little jingle. Yeah, we could just start that at the beginning of the show because that's all I do. You do plenty of other things. So let me just give you a quick rundown. So yesterday, the Dutch Transportation Safety Board which is headed by, the chairman of that is Meister Peter van Volohove. I think we have to stop at that for a moment because we were talking about him the other day on the show in regards to this horrible accident and something else that happened between himself and my wife. Right, let me summarize. You made the assertion, you alleged

43:01 that he is a masher because he bumped up into your wife with apparently some sort of excited member and then kind of rubbed up against her a little bit, you know, while she was standing there and she was aghast by this. And meanwhile, of course, was not known to the general public, and I'll bring it up before you do, this was picked up by the Dutch media. Yes. Well, and I'm actually thinking, because we discussed a lot, and you know, although that was a humorous moment in that particular segment, we were talking about the crash, about tension between the Secretary General, it's one of the highest service civil servants in the Justice Department and Turkey and there's all kinds of real weird shit going on around him and and child abuse and so there was a lot happening in that segment and they said oh by the way this guy who's heading up the the investigation who's the chairman of the Traffic Safety Board he's kind of a funny guy because here's what happened with him in the pad and by the way that

44:02 That thing that happened, that happened over 25 years ago. I didn't point that out. But time is relative. So that got picked up, but it got picked up by, you know, like they teased it on the 11 o'clock news that was coming right up, and they called the Royal Dutch, you know, the Royal Family Information Department or whatever and said, can you, and of course they said no comment. And they actually played a snippet of the show, and they had it subtitled, oh man, Unbelievable. And I knew something was... But they never gave us any... They never said it was the No Agenda podcast, did they?

44:43 Well, I didn't see the... I cannot find the actual... No, I think they did say no agenda, but I couldn't find the actual piece online. I didn't see it live, but boy, I knew about it because, you know, of course every stupid Top 40 radio morning show was calling me at 7 a.m. who had seen it the night before. You know, then what they do is they get your cell phone number and they call and you're supposed to pick up and then they surprise you with this... Hey, man! That was amazing! Which, uh, I've learned to avoid that. If you get a call at 7 in the morning that is unidentifiable, you know something's afoot. Anyway, Patricia was laughing about it.

45:27 She's like, well, I'm glad she has a good sense of humor. She, oh, come on. She has a great sense of humor. No, then she, but I said, what if, what, you know, they're going to call you? She said, Hey, ladies don't talk about shit like that. I don't, you know, if they can just, if they want to know what their husbands, yeah, just go. Oh yeah. I got some story. What's that wet spot on your back. Okay. Anyway. So, when this crash took place, I do want to say my immediate reaction to this based on information that I had was fuel starvation. Meaning that there was not enough fuel going into the engines and then, and it's important for the listeners to understand there's a difference between engines stalling and an airspeed stall. Every airplane will stay aloft, will float its physics at a certain speed and that's based upon the size, the weight and of course the wing is really what, you know, it's all about the wing.

46:25 So if you run out of airspeed, then it will not fly. It can be going 100 miles an hour, but if that's outside of the envelope for that particular aircraft, it will fall to the ground like a brick. It will not glide at a certain point. Yeah, okay, get to the point. So they came out and this was an amazing press conference, particularly so short to have this much detail. Now what they did not give us is actual cockpit voice recorder transcripts or even any inkling of conversation that went on in the cockpit. But according to the black box, the data recorder, at about 2,000 feet on their final approach, the altimeter broke. And there's two. And this altimeter is locked into the autopilot and auto thrust, which apparently are two independent systems.

47:20 and it then registered, hey wait a minute, where it sent data to the plane's computer saying the plane is actually on the ground. It's at minus 8 feet. Why is it 8 feet? Well it's minus 8 feet but Schiphol is below sea level so it would be approximately on the ground. And in an auto land approach, and I'm not an expert in these systems so I'm really just replaying what was said, You know, the aircraft, when it's on the ground or when it's approaching the ground, it will turn the engines to idle because that's what you do. And then you glide down, you float, boom, and you land and you're done. In some cases, the autopilot will actually flare the plane. And in other cases, it could even do a reverse thrust on the engines, I'm told.

48:07 Irrelevant. Let's flare the plane. Oh, so when you're landing at the very last moment just before you're touched you touchdown you pull back on the stick gently so the nose goes up and then you come down you know it's kind of like a just a perfect right you try to get that perfect all wheels at the same time well it depends on the aircraft but you you flared a little bit it slows you down then you just pop down into the under the pavement so this happens so what happened is so this at a little under 2,000 feet the computer all of a sudden gets the signal, hey wait a minute we're on the ground it starts to, it does two things, it starts to retard the engines essentially starving them of fuel because it's going to idle, it's not going slower, it's turning them to idle and then there's a warning, the warning says your gear is not down and of course these guys they couldn't see the ground at that point because there was some cloud cover but they ignore that warning and

49:05 It can only be about 15 or 20 seconds later is when the engines have cut and so the plane is losing speed rather rapidly. And all of a sudden they notice because the stick shaker goes off, which is a warning saying your plane is about to stall because they didn't have enough airspeed. And then apparently someone throttled up really fast and then pulled the nose up and it was just too little too late and then the tail hit the ground and then it slammed down. So here's what's interesting about this. The first words out of the chairman's mouth were, we're sending a message to Boeing.

49:46 they were dead set on not blaming the pilots. They said Boeing needs to know that there's a system flaw if the altimeter doesn't work, that under no circumstances should the auto throttle still be engaged if there's a fault. And that should be put into the manual and essentially saying, not really blaming Boeing but saying Boeing, you guys, you've got to change the way you operate because this is a dangerous situation. Now, another interesting data point. On the flight data recorder, which records 24-25 hours, so it had the last eight flights this aircraft made, the exact same thing happened twice, where the altimeter broke and started registering incorrect data, passing that through to the flight systems, yet there was no accident. But in flight terms,

50:43 the number one things you're supposed to be watching, no matter who's flying the plane, autopilot or not, is airspeed and altitude. And if all this data is true, and if it's all correct, and they're not talking any bullshit, I hate to say it, but it was complete pilot error. Because they got three guys in the cockpit, and whatever they were doing, they were not watching the speed. And I just ran out of speed because if you want to then hit the thrust, it takes three seconds for the engines to spool up from idle. So they just had no chance. But they were doing something else other than paying attention to the airspeed, which anyone who's ever taken flying lessons or currently flies knows that that is number one, your airspeed. Without airspeed, you're dead. And you're always... Yeah? I am-ing. Oh.

51:39 This is the joke of the, you know, we had this big wreck out here in California and they blame the engineer for... He was texting, yeah he was texting. This huge instant texting thing when the fact of the matter is people have witnessed the fact that the signals were wrong. But anyway. So I think that now Turkey of course has responded saying, you know, our pilots are heroes, this is bullshit, it's not pilot error, and anyone in aviation knows that if these are the facts, yes there was something wrong with the aircraft, but they had many, many opportunities to correct it if they had paid attention to their airspeed.

52:18 But you had the captain in the left seat, so in the command chair if you will, and then the trainee who is, you know, he had 3,000 hours, you know, the guy has to learn somehow. It's very normal that you have a first officer trainee and then the actual first officer sitting on the jump seat and whatever was going on, maybe someone was, you know, they might have had all heads down looking at something else or doing a demo or hey watch this. If you ever hear a pilot say, watch this, you know it's all over. So where'd you get that? You had a document you sent me was a PDF. Where'd you get that? That had all those details on it. That was an official release from the Transportation Safety Board. All right. So what does this all mean?

53:10 Well, we've deconstructed it. We'll accept your explanation that it was pilot error and it makes sense. Right. I think that, I find it interesting that they come out with so much detail so quickly that they immediately point blame towards, you know, it's now a political thing. It's very political because Who's gonna pay the damages? Oh, you know the airline immediately said oh, we'll give everyone five grand compensation and and of course they've already formed a Class action. They're like fuck you with your five grand. I don't think so so everyone's pointing the other way and It was just interesting that that was the main thing that came out so quickly. Usually, you know, there's a preliminary report, but to go into such detail about, you know, there's two systems and there's a altimeter one, altimeter two. I'd really still like to hear the tower speaking to the aircraft, which that recording was removed immediately. And I think we should have at least a transcript of what was said in the cockpit because it doesn't add up. You know, if you really are three experienced

54:13 Airmen to miss something like your airspeed is it's a real day wrecker. I mean, it's just it's hard to imagine that that happened So but I can't really make a conspiracy out of it I wish I could make a Boeing Airbus thing out of it, but it doesn't seem possible. Yeah. Well, I'm sure one of those will come up shortly The show's not over yet So if you go to my blog, you'll see a very funny, I don't usually put produced videos up, but there's a funny episode of the Daily Show where they basically slam CNBC.

54:49 Rick Santelli apparently was invited as a guest on the show and he, as Stuart said, bailed out. Should I play it? How long is it? No, it's too long. It's really long. But I recommend it to people because it's extremely funny. But the funniest part is they finally get to the end of it where they had CNBC interviewing Stanford, that scammer that ran off with $8 billion. And it's this huge softball thing and then it builds up to the end and Stewart stops and says, okay, he's got the money question coming. Here it comes and this is going to really – they got the guy in the chair, here you go. And then he started off with him saying, how come you didn't get caught up in the investment scandal and Stewart – because it was a scam.

55:36 So anyway, so I get to the very end, the interviewer goes, so Mr. Stanford, what's it like to be a billionaire? Oh my God, really? And all that was missing the way I saw it was the guy sniggering and then picking his nose. Oh man, that's amazing. Hey, I got a link for you, man. Hold on. I'm going to send you this link. This is something we could have thought up. Of course we didn't. Hold on. We're too busy talking. This is true. This is a website where you can help choose the sexiest vegetarian next door 2009. Now this has been going on for a few years. I've never seen this. And they have female and male contestants. Yeah, the sexiest vegetarian. There's also sexiest vegan. I thought this was new. They all look kind of scrawny.

56:33 PETA org oh yes, I Think Brooks pretty meet on your bones Amanda look at Brooke Brooks pretty look at now that this is funny This is a this is like it's just like that's a single elimination tournament and the NCAA or something they get this thing And she'll take on the winner of amber and Christina in the next round I How about Amy? Now they're all strong. Look at Amy. Yeah, she's scrawny, yeah. And a lot of them have implants. She can't even stand up, she's so thin. She's lying down. I'm so weak from not eating. You have to lay down. The poor woman can't even stand. I'm so weak. I must lay down in my lingerie. She looks like she's got a fake top. Hell yeah. It's totally fake. So, uh, okay. That'll be in the show notes.

57:27 Yeah, we'll send you the link and here's one Amanda age 23 all tattooed up like Amy Weinstein house Whatever But look, this is good. And then she lives in Australia and California. I don't know how that would, that's what I call a long commute. But she always comes back to her hometown of Fulton, New York. What is this called? International what? She's her own little trilateral commission right there. She loves to cook and especially loves to create her own unique recipes, much to the delight of her family who God knows where they live.

58:04 Amanda says that even her brothers who hunt and fish enjoy the meat substitute. The adventurous vegetarian also loves skydiving, tattoos, notably, biking. What is kind of a hobby is that? Here it comes, here it comes. Skating and... filmmaking she hopes to work in the film industry someday well from the looks of her she's probably working in it now but the adult film industry let's see there's a link to a meat replacements meat substitutes all of them look like they enjoy some meat from time to time don't they yeah in the film industry let's say jeez well let's pick a winner then let's just go let's just do it just pick a winner

58:50 Well, you know, I do like the girl that can't stand up. She's kind of pretty. Amy is so weak. She can't stand up. She can only do sex. We're gonna get some email now. Oh, goodness. I mean, I'd have to look. There's too many of them here. You have to look at all their pictures and these are all, you know, professionally taken photographs. These girls could be homely as a mud hand. This is bull. Stuff is ridiculous. Oh, there's male contestants. I didn't see that. I haven't looked at them. Oh brother You must have put it look at look at Monty This one's gonna get you Monty's about Monty's built Monty's got Monty may not eat meat, but he's definitely carrying a quarter pounder if you know what I'm saying John

59:52 Sorry Okay, enough of this. It brings out the bad side in me letting me ad-lib about did you see Ari with his little white puppy? Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's another one I guarantee none of these guys that are on this one or care about much about the female contestants Let's put it that way Which is okay? You know that's your generalizing man. No. I think you're right, so well just look for yourself. Oh, so anyway By the way, I was pitching about the CNBC thing. I have to recall, because I'm telling you this video is worth watching because they bring up everybody what they said and then what happened in a very different way than the Daily Show usually does. I mean, it really apparently put a lot of work into this.

1:00:38 But I remember when I was in New York last year, I was up earlier than usual. I got to watch that early show on the CNBC where this guy came out with this, this is before all the crashes. And this guy came on the show who had just finished a book on how Lehman Brothers was obviously going to go out of business and they just raked this guy over the coals for even suggesting anything about this great company, Lehman Brothers. And he said, what makes you think that any of these assertions of yours are true? And they were just pounding him and he kept pointing at one number. He said, well, you know, if they can explain what this number is, I wouldn't even write this book. But I've asked and asked and asked and nobody can explain it. There's this number, you know, in this column here and these numbers don't make any sense and they don't, what do they refer to?

1:01:22 And it was obviously something to balance the books. And they could never come up with anything, but as soon as they saw that and the way they attacked this guy, and the fact that he had come up with stuff, and we were already starting to see the oil scam and some of this other stuff get revealed, it got pretty suspicious. Well that oil scam is really working, boy, I'll tell you. The downward scam, keeping it below 50 bucks. That is really, that is just... Venezuela is now... there's all kinds of crap going on there. Because when you build your business, i.e. your country, on 140 or 150 dollar per barrel oil, your plans have to change pretty drastically when your income is knocked down by 60%.

1:02:10 Yeah. And have you been following Venezuela? Well, Venezuela, no, I had that special I recorded for you on Cesar Chavez that Frontline did, by the way, which is one of the best things. If anybody out there can find this Cesar Chavez special on Frontline, it's one of the most fascinating things they've ever done. But no, Venezuela's got all kinds of problems and of course we're putting the screws to them and of course they got this. There was just a special on, I think it was 60 Minutes or something over the weekend where this guy Morales, who's the Indian coca farmer that's the head of Bolivia, who basically told the US to get their DEA guys out of the country. People here in the Andes, we chew coca leaves and we can't have these. Will you just line up and buy it like everybody else and stop bringing in your own shipments?

1:03:00 Right. Your own transport? So they went to, you know, so this has become a big problem and of course Cesar Chavez supports this guy and he's kind of trying to get him to become a communist. And it's a very interesting situation in South America with these guys. By the way, the COCA thing, Then you know, you can get coca leaves or a common thing people chew and make tea in both Peru and Bolivia and other South American countries where you have high altitudes because it's actually, it's a combination of chemicals in these leaves that give you enough stamina. It doesn't give you a buzz. I've chewed these things.

1:03:43 It but it gives you a lot I was I'm up at 14,000 feet in the in the Andes in this little town with a bunch of guys who were floating around Back it up set the stage. What were you at this time chemist? No, no, no, this is like a couple years ago. I was the guy who's runs a Company that got bought by well there goes the phone that got bought by National Geographic that sells indigenous people's artifacts They're ripped off shit. Yeah That's actually a pretty good price. Let me kill this call. Yeah, go ahead. You take that call. In the meantime, we'll play a little bit of music here on NOAA Jenna while waiting for John C. Dvorak to come back. Hey, hey, hey. So anyway, so they invited us up to go to Peru and go into the Andes and visit some of these rug makers. So we're in this one town, which is just up there. And I mean, you have to take air sickness pills. And we drank a lot of coca leaf tea.

1:04:40 And then we got up there and then you find these old farts who had bags of these leaves and you chew on them. And then you can wander around because it's pretty, it's tiresome to walk because we're not only at high altitudes but you were going up and down hills. It's like sucking on a Red Bull continuously. Anyway, it's terrible. And so I'm like the oldest guy in this group. I was 30, no I'm just whatever age I was. Anyway there's a bunch of these young people that were with the group, I mean there's different ages but let's just say that I was the oldest of the group and these young people, a couple of them were, now, now I don't want to chew the leaf because you know it's like I think it's bad.

1:05:19 bad or I don't know why. I don't want to get hooked on the leaf, man. I don't want to get hooked on this stuff. And so it was so funny to what you know once you had enough you know you've been chewing on stuff enough you just wander around it's pretty normal. It's still a little winded but it's not too bad but it's something hilarious about walking past on the way back to the you know our ride back. Down the mountain walking past two or three of these guys who refused to chew the leaves bent over Holding you know with their with their hands on their knees. Oh, yeah, they're out of breath. Yeah, they're unable to move walking downhill They can't do it And I walk right past one of my said I told you should have chewed the leaves have you ever tried to have? We were tried by Agra

1:06:11 No. I mean, either. I don't want to have a, I mean, it causes, you know, it increases your blood pressure. It's not, I don't think it doesn't sound like a healthy product. No, no, but the leaves, you know, so the leaves are no big deal. I like the herb too. Well, yeah, you like the herb, but anyway, the leaves are no big deal and they, you know, the tea is tasty and uh, you know, I don't, I did, but oh no, it used to actually be legal in the United States to sell coca leaf tea. until I think it was the Reagan administration, somebody with a hair up there, oh no, you can't do that. I mean, if it was actually extracting cocaine from a bag of coca leaf tea, you would not get a crystal. And I just think it's ridiculous. Our drug laws are stupid and we should legalize marijuana. I'm a libertarian 100% of the way on this.

1:07:05 Yeah, but it's not going to happen. We went through that last week. It's not going to happen. It would completely ruin the business. Yes, your rationale for it is because the government's in bed with the drug dealers who are all splitting the money. Yes, I guarantee you marijuana will never be legal in any of the United States unless they declare independence from the Union. It will not be legal. It won't happen. It will not happen. The way I see it, everybody who smokes dope now It has a supply, they get their dope, I mean Mendocino County probably supplies most of it. And it's not like if they legalize it that all of a sudden, there was a really specious argument that came up the other day, legalizing it all of a sudden is not going to increase anybody using it. I mean I'm not going to start smoking dope because it's illegal, I don't care for it.

1:07:58 But here's the argument the guys say, oh, you know, this is a bogus argument that they're going to get all these tax dollars. This is one of these right wing talk show guys. It's a bogus argument because you know as well as I do that once it's legalized, the prices will plummet and then there won't be any tax dollars because it won't cost much. If you tax it by the pound at a fixed rate, what difference does it make what the base price is? You're still going to get the tax money. What kind of math is this that these people come up with? This is just make some horrible argument, some bullshit argument that there's going to be a tax money because the price is going to go down is nuts. It's crazy.

1:08:34 Anyway, sorry. No, but you know, they just any you know, they just I do not understand the Republican Party right-wing that's that's for personal responsibility Less government in your life and all this other stuff and then they want to go government your wife Yeah, I would somebody explain it all was for the good of the public bull. I watched this show on Monday By the way, marijuana used to be legal in this country and it was used a lot less when it was I was watching this show on Monday called, over here in the UK, I think it was The War of the Bins. And it was a fascinating program. The municipalities, the councils throughout the United Kingdom have such an incredible amount of power and control over the subjects of England.

1:09:30 that most places now have, count them, four individual garbage bins they must fill appropriately for trash removal. and uh... this i think we talked about it last week of the week before that uh... there's already been all you know these councils are cutting back and in some cases they're not picking their only picking up garbage every fourteen days fourteen days okay ever art but they now are there in schools teaching kids which crap goes into which bin and this for them is a red one a green one a blue one and a black one

1:10:07 and it's amazing. They will leave your bin if there's one thing in there that's wrong, they leave it and then you get fined. They've got, you know, there was showing these inspectors walking around looking in people's garbage cans, oh they've got the wrong thing in there, I'm gonna have to write them up. And to make people recycle, this is the kicker. So in this one municipality where they have two bins, one is for recyclable and one is for trash, they cut the trash one In half by size and gave everyone a new bin. Okay, this is now half as big which means you have to recycle more I guess. They're completely terrorizing people with these ugly ass plastic bins that are throughout the entire country. There's not a single street that doesn't have colored bins out in front and they're forcing people to

1:11:00 It's crazy. Well, OK, well, let's go. We can talk about what we have the bins here, too, but we don't have it depends on the community. Like, for example, in Berkeley, they have a similar situation that you're talking about with all these, you know, not necessarily inspectors, but if they find that you've put a bottle, for example, in your garbage instead of in the bottle bin, which you've already paid, by the way, for you have to pay like an extra nickel or a dime because of the bottle bill that was passed in California years ago. And those guys, people They pick it up and they go sell it, right? They sell it to the glass guys. Yeah, but the funny, here's the irony of the whole thing.

1:11:37 Because I used to be an air pollution inspector and one of the places I inspected was the glass companies. There's a thing called Kull or Kullit. It's the busted up old bottles that get recycled into the glass scene. The glass business is always, from day one, big time into recycled glass. They bring tons of this stuff in and people would collect it and there was no reason to charge this extra nickel which amounts to being a tax. on this bottle. Every time you buy anything now, there's a plastic, even a plastic bottle, you buy a bottle of sparkling water and you go through the register as the price and plus a CRV or something recycled nickel, just another nickel or a dime. And I've always, and every time one of these guys comes, there's the company, this community organizing group in California called CalPIRG that was responsible for this ripoff

1:12:31 And every time one of them comes around, because they're always doing something about, you know, they've always got some little thing they want to do about, now it's about green or about global warming. There's a couple of them around the office, by the way, in San Francisco that stop you for global warming. They want you to sign a petition. Which I always, I refuse to sign all petitions. Of course. Every time they come around I read them the riot act about this. It's just ridiculous. And there's other things that they do that are just counterproductive. I mean, this, anyway, Berkeley's got the same kind of bin thing. We have a system in Albany which is probably okay. We have three bins.

1:13:08 But one, you can own as many garbage bins as you want to pay for. So if you're a real garbage producer. These are government issued, man. Yeah, well these are issued by the garbage company. And so if you want two garbage bins, fine, you can get two. And then they give you free a gray bin for recyclables and they let you mix them. that you could put cardboard in with glass, with paper, with... Right. Can't they sort that out at the main office? Yes, they can. That's the point. They sort it out at the other end. And then they have a green bin for if you have a bunch of scraps from the yard, you want to pick up your leaves and put them in there. So then it all comes... There's a machine that, basically, this giant truck with big arms that grabs the stuff and throws it in there. They don't even look at it. If you could mix it up... And I throw bottles away occasionally into the regular garbage.

1:13:56 Nobody cares here, but in Berkeley, oh it's terrible. And in San Francisco, they got close to this kind of same thing going on there in San Francisco like they do in parts of England. And the fact that the public puts up with this is ridiculous. Thank you. That would be my point entirely. Sorry, long road to get to the point. Yeah, but it was weird, man, watching these kids in the classroom learning about global warming and, okay, in which bin does this go in? I'm like, man, you're just fucking charging up these batteries to go to work for you, aren't you? In New Jersey, we had great, they came twice a week in New Jersey. Trash from the bin men in New Jersey. Hey Adam, how you doing? Half a body? You got a dead body there? No problem. We'll throw that in too. When the mob runs trash, the shit works, you know what I'm saying?

1:14:43 Well you know what annoys me, and we need to get down to the basics of this thing going on over there, and in Berkeley and San Francisco it's similar, is that they're essentially having the public do their job. Yeah. Well Patricia had a really good idea. I mean if you have to sort this from that from this, you've got to do all this sorting and sorting and sorting of the garbage. You never used to have to do that. You're basically doing somebody else's job. Patricia had a really good idea. She said, well, if the bin men collect, let's just talk about recyclables. If the bin men collect those and all they do is they take them and you've sorted them for them, indeed, and then they go sell the glass and they go sell the plastic and whatever else can be sold, wouldn't it be,

1:15:27 if you just started here on where we live on our square and if we all collected it ourselves and then we brought it and then we split the money or you know or we put a playground in or something like that I mean would we have to have a tremendous amount of recyclables to actually make some money because I think people would be motivated to do it then now it's you know like you're a little child and you're being scolded and you're not doing it right and you don't have to and you have to use the government-issued trash bag And if you don't get cardboard boxes, you have to cut up the cardboard box and then put the cut up slivers into the orange plastic bag. Otherwise, they won't take it away. I hate this. You know how many boxes I had after we moved?

1:16:05 Probably more than two. And it'd be cut into slivers to fit in a bag. Is it possible? Can you make money with, I don't know, 50 families? You know, you can burn, cardboard is one of the greatest cans that burns. You can't burn anything in the city of London. Are you crazy? You can't start a fire. You have a fireplace in your house, don't you? Yep, not allowed to burn anything in it. Well, what good is it? Well, it's no good. No good. Have you heard about more... This is depressing. Now let's move on to something else then. This will be up your alley because you know a lot about illness. Are you familiar with... What does that come from? You know all about illness and sickness and cocoa leaves. More gallons. By the way, you have no idea how many people are jealous of the fact that I got to go up into the Andes and chew cocoa leaves. No, I think it's fantastic. Send me pictures.

1:17:11 Nah, screw it. Are you familiar with Morgellons? No, I never heard of it. Morgellons, and this is doing the rounds, this story, so I don't know anything about it, is... A multi-dimensional disease, it's called, I have no idea what that is. That means you're going into the third dimension, the aliens own you. Starts with relentless itching, stinging or biting sensations. Cotton-like balls may appear on the body with no reasonable explanation. Soon skin rash develops along with lesions that may not heal, that will not heal. Many sufferers reports string-like fibers of varying color popping out through the skin lesions. These fibers can be black, white, red, or even iridescent blue. Others report black specks falling from their bodies that litter their sheets. It's like spontaneous human combustion. It is. Eventually a variety of bugs and worms begins to find their way out of the body through the lesions.

1:18:08 What are you reading this from? Naturalnews.com, of course. Other accompanying symptoms include hair loss, debilitating and chronic fatigue, hard nodules beneath the skin and joint pain. Oh no, don't want my joint to hurt. But this is apparently contagious and it's frightening and it's a big story. It's okay. So this thing cropped up in 2002. It's a name given in 2002 by Mary Letow to a proposed condition. It's not a new disorder but a new and misleading name for known illnesses. However, no consensus. I'm reading this from the great Wikipedia. Well in April 2006 the Center for Disease Control recommended an epidemiological investigation of what they were then referring to as a public health concern. In January 2008 they announced a grant to healthcare giant Kaiser Permanente

1:19:07 To test and interview 150 to 500 patients. No, they're on it. Of course, there's a GMO link. Typical. This is interesting. And the CDC opened a website on unexplained dermopathy, aka Mergellins, and now it's an investigation process. That's what I was just talking about. Yeah, symptoms and diagnosis, blah, blah, blah. Okay, doctor.

1:19:44 Granules and crystals that appear under the skin? That's crazy. Sounds like something from the X-Files. Well, on the page I'm reading here, it's saying that there's a link to genetically modified food. Doesn't that make sense? I love that. Doesn't that make sense? That's a good one. They're saying it's a new name for an old condition, delusional parasitosis. Wow. I got part of that at least. Well, you can understand just from the name of it, you can tell it's a psychological illness where people imagine these crazy things happening to them. So you say, okay, so it's not really happening? Well, I mean, that's what they say. Some cases of delusional parasitosis have organic causes other than those associated with neuro neurological psychological conditions of unknown ideology. For example, fornication, oh, I'm sorry, formication, the sensation that, that's a funny, interesting word, formication.

1:20:48 The sensation that bugs are crawling under one's skin can be caused by allergies, diabetic neuropathy, menopause, skin cancer, demodex mites, or herpes zoster. Both dementia and mental retardation have been reported in association with DOP. What's DOP? DOP? I don't know. Symptoms associated with delusional parasitosis, maybe it's delusion, I don't know, including hives, unexplained tingling and itching are common side effects of many prescription drugs or drug abuse. The sensations are real but the attribution of, of course, that's another reason to make drugs illegal. The sensations are real but the attribution of the sensations to unknown parasites in the collection of fibers

1:21:37 is part of the delusion. So nothing to be worried about I guess. I wouldn't think. Nothing to see, move on people, nothing going on. Goes on and on. This is one of the longest pieces. It's a good one though. I mean, I still think that MRSA or the flesh-eating bacteria is a bigger threat to public health and nobody seems to, you know, really do much about it. It's in gyms now, professional athletes are getting it, a friend of mine is almost dying from it. It's just a mess. You know, this is that, this flesh-eating bacteria gets inside people. That's nasty. So I got one more thing here I wanted to

1:22:29 So there's a bunch of photos. The reason I should have brought this up earlier, there's a bunch of photos on the net. I should have brought up earlier because it reminded me of the Gordon Brown story, the fact that he couldn't talk to Gordon Brown, but apparently Obama has no problem spending time at the basketball game. Oh yeah, I saw him drinking beer. Drinking beer. Well there's nothing wrong with that. Does anyone have a real problem with him drinking beer? No, there's nothing wrong with that. It just seems to me though if you got some guy coming to visit, you know, you might want to either take him to the basketball game. Yeah, that would have been nice. I don't think he was actually there though because he flew in Tuesday afternoon, mid-afternoon, so that was the day after the game. I'm sure Obama can get tickets for any game. We got some crap brewing over here in Gitmo Nation East though, my friend. The Ukraine cannot pay its gas bill, so we're back to that shit which you had just solved a couple weeks ago. Because they have to pay Russia. And state agents took over the Ukrainian gas company

1:23:35 So there's a lot of things going on and Latvia I think did Latvia do an Iceland on us? Did I hear about that? I think I heard on the BBC on the World Service. I think Latvia went bankrupt. Did they? They went belly up? I think so. The whole country? Yeah, well you know the UK is next. Well, don't laugh. It's absolutely going to happen. The car companies have now, in fact I think the Obama administration told them to do this, they're now knocking on the doors of the European governments saying help us, help us, bail us out. We've got Vauxhall and Opel and Jaguar and all these other

1:24:14 Brands, you know if you guys don't help us. We're gonna. We're gonna go belly-up What do we put in at 40 billion now and everyone knew the shit wasn't gonna work? Where's the car czar? He's supposed to say something It's at a point here GM is saying they can be out of business in a month well duh We knew that was gonna happen how much more of this insanity we have to look at and witness lots And believe me, it's good for the show. Yeah, no, it's fantastic for the show. Talking about the show, by the way, I finally put up the... Ah, the library link? I put the library link, actually I think that, I think that Gromit's going to put that up today, but I have a new, you know, if you go to Dvorak.org slash NA to help us out here so we have something to... Fall back on in hard times. So we can continue to do the show forever.

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1:28:15 Go ahead. You were going somewhere before I rudely interrupted you with this promotion for the Dvorak.org slash NA donation site. Okay, well whatever I was saying, I was going to wind up by saying they are taking down the economy on purpose, they're going to bankrupt everything, everybody, and we're going to wind up being controlled by the World Bank or a global bank and And you watch the word carbon tax or credits or something come into it you watch it's gonna happen But I'm very confused now because the the Gordon Brown Obama thing that's way under analyzed I mean, this is they're joking about it in the papers Gideon Rackman Financial Times, you know him right the columnist. Yeah. Yeah, he wrote a pretty funny article and

1:29:04 He actually... that... I didn't have enough time to pull all the appropriate quotes for the show, but he actually wrote them down. If I can find them real quick, otherwise I'll skip it and we'll have to do it. I don't understand. Aren't these guys all supposed to be, like, saving the world? I mean, the banks. Saving the world, saving the banks, Gordon. I mean, how does that work? Is there any analysis being done on it at all in the United States? No. It is too busy saving their jobs, the journalists are trying to scramble around. I mean now they're worried sick. I mean we just lost the Rocky Mountain News which happened last week and then of course the San Francisco Chronicle is going out of business and if anybody can find Phil Braunstein, he used to be the editor-in-chief of the Chronicle and before that the Examiner.

1:29:56 which merged and they can find his he has a lament in his blog it goes on forever can stop writing does understand that how succinctness is important online goes on and on and on the sales dimension you know about how the reason for the these collapses of these papers and how we can you know the economics doesn't work anymore but he failed to mention the anecdote which you i believe We had that meeting with those guys and he at least told me that it was kind of ironic to say the least that Craig Newmark of Craigslist came over there and was going to hand Craigslist over to the examiner or the chronicler on a silver platter and they told him to go screw himself. We know how to do classifieds. I don't know. Get out of here, kid. There you go.

1:30:45 So yeah, Gideon Rackman in the Financial Times. So Sky News covered the... covered the Brown speech live after the joint session. And the only thing these guys could talk about at Sky were how many standing ovations. One said I think it was 16, no no no, it was 19 standing ovations he got as the puppet theater continues. But I'll send you a link to this online. You've got to see the shit that Brown was saying. It's just unbelievable. He's almost begging, begging to do it together and he didn't even get the meeting.

1:31:22 I mean, I'm pissed off if I show up to a sales meeting somewhere and the guy doesn't show. Yeah, I'm not going to then go and talk to your company, you know, if the CEO won't have a little chat with me. So I feel that something very nasty is afoot and something's happening very, very soon. It's going to blow your 80-year models, etc. It's just happening much sooner. So that would have been the conclusion of whatever I was saying. So I think we need a new section and probably a new jingle for corrections. Oh, did we screw something up? Yeah, I got I'm gonna read it to this guy Michael Peko from the Pekos calm sends me a note once again I found myself screaming into my earbuds. I don't know what that means. I asked him he says I don't know either a Couple of years ago mrs. Peko and I cruise to Bermuda. I immediately noticed a difference in the sound

1:32:17 housetops and I found a local and asked about it. The material is called Bermuda stone. It's a somewhat porous stone that is quarried on the islands and since Bermuda is a group of coral islands, it's essentially coral. they power wash it from once in a while and they each have cisterns underneath and it turns out that somebody else mentioned or he mentioned in a different email that the size of your cistern is some sort of a prestigious thing. My cistern is... I gotta tell you my cistern maybe it's been hanging out. Huge! Massive. So I said it was lime or something like that. Okay. Limestone. Alright. Well we definitely need to have a correction

1:32:59 Yeah, we can do some corrections because we're basically talking out of our asses. We do as much research as we can. Yeah, we try. We try and we know a lot. We've been around. It's not what you pay for. A couple of stooges that sit at home all day jerking off. Well, uh, well. Hey, John, keep your eye on Kurgistan. Kurgistan, yeah, those guys. Keep your eye on Kurgistan and the Manus Air Base. We're getting kicked out. Oh, really? Yeah. Well that means some bad things will happen to that country for doing that to us. Well not only that but we need a new base because you know you got to be in the stands man that's where all the groovy action is taking place. But they decided no no we're just going to close but you know Kyrgyzstan all it is is a big airbase so they're going to have to lease it out to somebody maybe to Russia? Yeah maybe Russia's causing a lot of trouble. Here's an October 20th 2008 article

1:33:57 October 20, 2008. Latvia will not go bankrupt as Iceland did. The cushioning of the European Union's structural funds provides cover for Latvia, which in real terms minimizes the risk for the Baltic nation to go bankrupt as has happened to other countries like Iceland. Latvian Commercial Banks Association President Teodor's... something... Tverjian, I don't know, said last week in an interview with the Latvian state television, he said that regardless of the crisis on global financial markets, the bank in Latvia would end 2008 with a profit. Though this profit would not be as large as it used to be in the past year, Latvian banks' investments are balanced and diversified, therefore they cannot sustain such losses as foreign banks did. He reiterated, no bank in Latvia is facing any trouble... presently.

1:34:46 And who was this that said this? This is the head of the uh, he's the Latvian Commercial Banks Association president. Fantastic. All right people. And now meanwhile by the way, the thing that's going on in Latvia now is apparently there's shoes their dissidents are the latest in throwing shoes as a means of political expression apparently a hundred thousand shoes or something where tens of thousands of shoes were sent to the Latvian senator their legislature that's right shoes coming this summer it's the summer of shoes the funny thing is we all have Some shoes in the closet that we're never gonna wear ever you might as well throw them at a politician Exactly. What a fantastic idea. I got some golf shoes Probably take the spikes off to be okay

1:35:35 So the bottom line is your government does not love you, they do not work for you, but we do. And it wouldn't kill you just to tell a friend about this show. Forget the money, forget the library and the winery. Just tell someone to listen to this show. The winery. Yeah. That'd be cool if we actually could get, you know, you'd get enough people to watch the show where we have a critical mass that we could get enough money to actually get a winery and give away wine. Well, John, a girl can dream. Coming to you from Gitmo Nation East in Southwest London in the Crackpot Command Center, I'm Adam Curry. And I'm in the Buzzkill bunker. I'm John C. Dvorak in Gitmo Nation V. We'll talk to you again on Sunday, right here on NO Agenda.