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00:00 Like, why do you want that turned down? And counting! Broadcasting live from the capital of the drone star state, in the morning everybody, I'm Adam Curry. And from northern Silicon Valley where I'm wondering what Jane... Jane Helm? Is that her name? I don't know. I'm John C. DeBore. It's Crackpot and Buzzkill! I'm keeping track man. I'm keeping track Jade Helm started on July 15th the big mega. Oh the mega military Exercise yeah, my wife brought this up. No. She says what is this Jade Helm crap? Why is everybody all upset about all jacked up on the Jade Helm man, and I said it's nothing It's just some bullcrap if it was anything important. They wouldn't have told us about it. Well. That's true. Oh

00:57 Well along those lines I went to dinner with the the former of the ex banker from New York. Oh Yeah, get a little update First I'd have to tell you he's he's still he's all in on Greece actually exiting the eurozone And he's still but is he still promising a big run-up in the euro. Yes now collapse down to what? I Didn't bring that one up with him, but what was funny is is, you know, he's the guy that is always telling me, you know, always joking about my conspiracy theories and that conspiracy show you do. This is typical, by the way, everybody does this. Oh yeah. And all of a sudden he's like, but you know, Seattle's about to get a whole bunch of earthquakes. Do you know about the ring of fire? I'm like, holy crap. People like you laughed at me seven years ago when we were talking about the ring of fire.

01:50 The fire reifier just the but it's just that it's just that it's in a tectonic place. It's just a yes Not anything conspiratorial as a fact. Oh, I know I know but it was funny that he just came out like you know I don't know. Well. This is something going around up there Mimi brought this up to do you guys ever tell you didn't see how do you ever do you guys ever like say? I love you, honey or anything is it always all the time hey hey you hear about the ring of fire I No, she didn't talk about the Ring of Fire. She talked about the big earthquake. And what happens if it does? Yeah, okay. She better get a ham radio license. Talking about, oh, what would happen? You know, this is when you're, when it's slow news day. What would happen if all hell broke loose out of the blue in our area? Right, of course. And, you know, there'd be these tsunamis and Seattle would be devastated because they don't know anything about, you know, putting up the right buildings. Portland flattened.

02:47 Yes. I love it. This happens once every 30,000 years. I love it. Ring of fire, everybody. Ring of fire. Well, there was a new report. The new NASA research. I don't think it was peer reviewed or anything, but they released it. And that begat a number of interesting little news items. We haven't started the show off with this kind of stuff in, oh, I don't know, at least three shows. So can I start off? Are you going back into global warming? Yeah.

03:40 Ever-warming oceans melting polar ice could raise sea levels 15 feet in the next 50 to 100 years. NASA's former climate chief now says five times higher than previous predictions. Well, this is the biggest threat that the planet faces. James Hansen co-authored the new journal article raising that alarming scenario. If we get sea level rise of several meters, all coastal cities become dysfunctional. We're all gonna die! Note he's the former head of NASA climate change. This is that guy. It's not that you mentioned his name. James Hansen. Does that name ring a bell? He is the guy who is the number one climate warmest. He's the one who started it all. Yes, I know.

04:28 He's great. They do. They mention his name and say, oh, here he is again. That's the way they should preface it. Oh, yes. No, no, it's former NASA. That adds credibility to it. And they had they keep bringing back polar bears on pieces of ice in the in these. They stop doing that because they know the polar bear. Yeah, the polar bears grown. Yeah. Now here here's the democracy now sums it up a little quicker. Same bullcrap story. Play it. DN Global Warming. Yes, I got it. OK. Former NASA scientist James Hansen, who was one of the first to raise concerns about climate change in the 80s, has warned that sea levels could rise as much as 10 feet before the end of the century unless greenhouse gas emissions are drastically reduced. Ten feet! The rise would make cities such as London, New York and Shanghai uninhabitable.

05:17 This comes as new data shows that this past June was the hottest on record, breaking the previous record, which was set last year. This—OK, listen to the Euronews propaganda. They don't even—I don't even think they mention the report. They're just so all in, like, whatever. We'll just put together a two minute piece on it. This June 2015 was the hottest June since temperature records began in 1880. Experts are saying governments should treat climate change as seriously as threats to national security or public health. The NOAA agency also says the first half of this year has broken heat records. Last year was already the hottest yet.

05:55 Last month in Pakistan morgues in Karachi population 20 million and hospitals were overwhelmed Officially more than 1,150 people died Now listen to this little throwaway line 44 degrees Celsius coincided with power cuts and the Muslim holy month of Ramadan when faithful abstain from eating or drinking by day. Yeah. Hello. Hello Hello, if you don't eat or drink all day and it's 110 degrees, yeah, you might succumb. You know? Can we change this Ramadan to the winter? Oh, okay. Now let me, I'm going to do the, uh...

06:41 By the way, the one, if you noticed, it was the journal of some crazy journal. It wasn't just any old journal. It was a journal of obscure climate scientists who have nothing else to do. Something like that. I think that is exactly the title. Your first reporter just said the journal. Like what journal? The Wall Street Journal? The journalists? They don't... Oh, I know. I know. I'm going to do the test and just check it out. I'm going to stand up and look out the window at the mudflats because the bay, which is the mudflats of the San Francisco Bay, which is hooked to the Pacific Ocean, although I know it takes, you know, like 400 days for a foot of rise in the Atlantic to show up everywhere. But here we go. Let me get...here I'm gonna go look. You're standing up now, yeah? Uh-huh. Yeah. Okay.

07:27 The mudflats are still there, no difference in tidal. It's the same. Where's my flooding? Former technology columnist John C. Dvorak says climate change is not happening. No, the rising tides is not happening. Climate change is not happening. That is not the right message. In India in May the 47 degree heat killed some two and a half thousand people which I think is low 47 centigrade that should have killed 10,000 people yeah, especially in India. I think it's low in Andhra Pradesh et and Telangana states

08:06 An international team wrote in the journal Science that ocean levels rose between 6 and 13 meters when temperatures were around or... Wait a minute. What? How come I don't have beachfront property in Austin? 30 feet? I don't understand. Where is it? Where's the tsunami? 30 feet? Slightly higher than today's in prehistoric ice thaws. Oh, I'm sorry. That's 30 feet in previous ice thaws, slightly higher than today. So I guess today we're only 25 feet? Man, I better get the aerobed pumped up. That study warned of a possible repeat.

08:43 Even if governments cut greenhouse gas emissions a top researcher Hans-Joachim Schellenhuber has said only the That's a good name. Well, I'm gonna name again H. Barber Schellenhuber was a name researcher Hans-Joachim Schellenhuber has Hans-Joachim Schellenhumer pleasure to make your acquaintance said only the induced implosion of the carbon economy offers a chance to avoid possible disaster. I like this. The induced implosion of the carbon economy. This is nice used implosion of the carbon economy This is a this well, that's a gem That's something that we got to be on the lookout for and a term that may get the book come back to haunt us Yeah, write that one down the proverbial snowballs chance in hell perhaps he said in the end. It's a moral decision Pope Francis to

09:36 The Pope said recently our house is going to ruin and that harms everyone, especially the poorest. Mine is therefore an appeal for responsibility based on the task that God gave man in creation. That he keep the garden in which he was placed. Man, that Latin is boring to listen to, isn't it? High-level activists like Shellenhuber have emphasized the costs of the coming economic... Oh, wait! What's a high-level activist? And by the way, how objective is an activist? Not very.

10:25 High-level activists like Shellenhuber have emphasized the costs of the coming economic transition away from fossil fuels should be paid by the world's rich rather than the poorest. The poorest contribute maybe 1% of emissions. It's the richest, he said, who need to change their behavior. Change your behavior. Change your behavior. And... This is the same old, let's find some way... The whole thing is out of balance. Mm-hmm the whole world's out of bounds. We got people living in mud huts and some Central side everyone has to have the has to have a cell phone and I said well that's definite an iPhone and every part so you got everyone in my right cell phones come first in computers And then maybe they can live as a decent shelter and then care for the cases kale We we have to any kale we have to pay for it. Yeah, of course because we Don't live in mud huts and then there's this

11:19 conference right now of evangelicals, priests and parishioners and whatever, guys with floppy pointy hats, preachers, in France, France. And they got a special red dash alpha message in two parts from none other than the Terminator. I've starred, of course, in a lot of science fiction movies, as you know. But let me tell you something, climate change is not science fiction. This is a battle in the real world. is impacting us right now. This is bigger than any movie. This is the challenge of our time. And it is our responsibility to leave this world a better place than we found it. But right now, we are failing future generations. So I challenge you.

12:10 to go home after this meeting is over, after this conference is over. Go home to your congregations, to your churches, to your mosques, to your temples and your followers and inspire them to fight for a clean energy future. We must do everything that we can to communicate better and to preach and to inspire people to join our crusade. Climate change is real. It's real. It's real. It's real. Join the crusade. Nice. Wow. Yeah, yeah So just ratcheting it up. It's almost throwaway at this point. Yeah. Hey, we got something after b-block We need to get on the shelf. We got a bunch of climate change stuff backing up That shit's getting stale yo We got it. We got to air that I'll put in the C block. We got to be block. All right, no problem. Good. Good work Good show everybody indeed

13:10 All right, well there you have it. Yesterday I was driving to San Antonio. By the way, I still know that there are people that listen to this show that cringe when we do any of this because they're all in and we can't break them out of it. And meanwhile, there are actual scientists, people who actually, unlike Schwarzenegger, who's never picked up a test tube. And by the way, his video, he's still sitting in front of an American flag and the flag of the People's Republic of California like he's still the governor the governor. He's still sitting there, but we can imagine the guy you walk into his home, but it's a meeting about a movie and he's sitting there He's got these flags with the eagle the gold eagle on the mass and stuff on the flagpole It's a little pathetic. I wonder if he signs his movie contracts with 30 pens Just yeah right robo robo pen. Oh

13:56 No, no, it depends because you give one, you sign one letter and you give it to somebody, you sign another letter and you give it to somebody else. Oh, right, yes, everyone can witness it, yeah, nice. So I'm driving to San Antonio yesterday. I have to explain the jokes now. I get it. I'm driving to San Antonio. I'm sorry? I'm driving to San Antonio yesterday and I see something. I-35. Did you say something? Not yet. Please. If you see something, say something. Yeah, I'm gonna say it right now. And this was my first spotting of a drone in the sky. Oh cool. Oh my word. This thing was, it was fast.

14:37 Because I saw this like this thing flying over I-35 and... Was it a big... to give us an idea of the size of it? It's very hard to tell from the ground which is you know... One of the problems. It is one and in fact it looked a lot like a... Like a small commuter jet, a regional jet. It was that big? It seemed that big. I know it can't have been that big, but once I saw the shape of it and I saw the telltale landing gear kind of flopped out, you know, where they have kind of the long, long struts on the landing gear. Oh, yeah. And then, then it was like a predator or something. One of those wasn't it was a Reaper. It didn't have the bump on the on the on the head. Okay. But at first, at first, I thought, wow, that's that's a remote controlled airplane going. Why are they for what don't fly that over the highway. And then I thought, wait, it is a remote controlled airplane, only it's a drone and it was booking and it made a curve that must have been five G's.

15:36 And then flew back over the you yeah, hmm just flying it over I 35 it following you I did curry the thought did cross my mind Roni wanted when we take him out of the thought crossed my mind briefly Take him out briefly Please please I'm talking about it on the show, but she talks about on the show yeah Let him talk about on the show And I don't want to tell people you know I get a lot of emails. It's important to me You're soliciting email No, I'm not soliciting email. People are like, why are you sniffing on the show? Yeah, and... You know, because the first thing, for some reason people always say, oh, you should stop doing coke on the show. It's like, yeah, no, yeah. Really? No. I don't think Adam on coke would be pleasant. Could you imagine? We should try it as an experiment. Oh, God, it'd be the worst show ever. Hey, John, how are you? We're only productive right now. Let me know when the show goes.

16:41 That's a funny idea. No, but I wanted to say that this is, of course, my nasal problem started with the mold, but then it became a tick that I'm trying to get rid of. Oh, now you're just sniffing randomly. Yeah. I haven't noticed it. It's funny somebody... It's part of the Tourette's, and it really bugs me. It's fruit bug shit because what I'm trying to do and here's the how the tick works I've tried to sniff without cutting through the noise gate. It's like why am I doing this? I'm insane And it's only on the show. It's not in real life when I'm walking around. Oh, you picked up sound. That's interesting. Well, yeah, that sounds like some Tourette's-y thing. Yeah, I know what my Tourette's is. I know what it is. So that's why I went to San Antonio. Working to see my psychotherapist. And to get my MKUltra programming, of course. Could be. Wouldn't surprise me. Well, I'm working on it. Now that you've been going on about this, I have to go get the tissues. Let's do a little sniff snort moment.

17:51 Ah, good. Nice. Boy, man, that's broadcasting. I am a Connecticut School of Broadcasting alum. That, my friends, is broadcasting right there. Show them how it's done. So Cameron over in the Gibbon Nations of UK, which we've always seen as our beta test for the complete and total police state. Face it, UK is way ahead of us. He finally came out with, well, they still haven't come out with the actual extremism legislation that I've been tracking, which is going to help us understand how violating certain British values would be deemed as extremist views and therefore you can be penalized by law.

18:43 So he did a speech at, hmm, I think some school somewhere. And he... We should put a list together of these things like, you know, British, you know, basis for all this, like kicking a beggar. Something they would do. I don't think that would be a problem. No, it's actually much worse than that, John. Much, much worse. And I hope we do not... Well, eventually we'll get everything they have in Gitmo East. Over here in Gitmo proper and we are in big trouble. We are let me say me specifically Okay, the because conspiracy theorists if you got conspiracy theories you are pretty much a terrorist Yeah, you laugh my friend, but it ain't all that funny But you don't have to support violence to subscribe to certain intolerant ideas which create a climate in which extremists can flourish

19:38 Ideas which are hostile to basic liberal values. What could those ideas be? Hostile to basic liberal values. What kind of ideas could those be? Being against gay marriage. Such as democracy, freedom, sexual equality. Ideas which actively promote discrimination, sectarianism and segregation. Ideas like those of the despicable far right which privilege one identity to the detriment of the rights and freedoms of others. Just keep that in the back of your mind, just keep that in the back of your mind. But now listen to what the actual issue is. This is just an attack on Farage. Oh, that's what he meant by the far right, of course. But it gets worse. It's also based on conspiracy. That Jews exercise malevolent power or that Western powers in concert with Israel are deliberately humiliating Muslims because they aim to destroy Islam.

20:33 In this warped worldview, such conclusions are reached. That 9-11 was actually inspired by Mossad to provoke the invasion of Afghanistan. We're going to be locked up. I never heard that one. We're gonna be locked up. Mr. Adam Curry. Open up the door, Mrs. Curry! Now! or the British security services knew about 7-7 but didn't do anything about it because they wanted to provoke an anti-Muslim backlash. I don't know about they wanted to provoke the anti-Muslim backlash but there was a drill on the same day which was set up in the... I'm sorry? Yeah, that's what it was. It was an exercise. Yes, which went active or whatever you want to call it. So that is now... now you're a terrorist if you talk about such conspiracy. Yeah, I can't talk about it.

21:19 And like so many ideologies that have existed before, whether fascist or communist... You should lock this guy up. This is the most anti-British thing I've ever heard. He's the one who should be in jail. Good luck with that. Many people, especially young people, are being drawn into it. Yes. Now, of course, we need to... we need some solutions for this. Drawn into what? What did he say? Drawn into being a terrorist by propagating conspiracy theories. No, he's just saying they're being drawn into the UKIP. Well, that comes in a moment. You're one clip ahead of me. Because that, of course, is the kicker. But I still need to wind you up with what he wants to do with

22:02 Internets. You can guess what it is, obviously. You know. And we need our internet companies to go further in helping us identify potential terrorists online. Do it yourself. Many of our commercial models are built around monitoring platforms for personal data, packaging up, and sending it on to third parties. And when it comes to doing what's right for their businesses, they're happy to engineer technologies that track our likes and our dislikes. But when it comes to doing what's right in the fight against terrorism, we too often hear that it's all too difficult. Well I'm sorry, I just don't buy that.

22:40 They've shown, the internet companies have shown, the vital work they're doing in clamping down on child abuse images, that they can step up where there's a moral imperative to act. They've done brilliant work. Brilliant. But it's now time for them to do the same to protect their users from a scourge of radicalisation. Scourge! A scourge of radicalisation, I tell you. Well, there you go. That is just the start. And you will hear this meme being propagated, I think, everywhere. Hey, if you can get rid of kid titty porn, why can't you get rid of extremism? Yeah, that's kind of what Feinstein was driving at with that hearing that we put it posted on the show. And the guy, it was Comey, wouldn't

23:23 wouldn't buy into what she was talking about. He was thinking, well, you know, we need to...this is not about really doing what they say. This is about just tracking people for the purposes of long-term blackmail. And that is exactly what Cameron said. He said, these companies are great at tracking your likes, your dislikes. That's the way I heard it. They're really good at that. We need to engage that skill, that talent. Yeah, so they can track you and vote for you, Kip. Are you gonna vote for the Conservatives? Alright, here we go. Who are you gonna vote for? Here it is. Here is the clip you've been wanting to hear. And there's something else we need to do. We need to put out of action the key extremist influences. Hold on. Put out of action? What does that mean, put out of action? Does that mean... Shoot them? Dig a shallow grave? Kill them? Yeah! That's what I thought. Put out of action?

24:10 Is there a way? I didn't look that up. Let's see. Put... You don't have to look it up. I want to see if there's a definition. There's no definition. Put out of action? Well, there is. Definition of put out of action. You know, I got it. English definition dictionary. Let's see if that includes killing. Let's hope so. The state or process of doing... that put out of action. Hmm. Sounds like he's threatening to me. This is another this guy should be thrown. He is threatening and you're about to hear who he's threatening And there's something else we need to do we need to put out of action the key extremist influences the key extremist Influences influences who are careful to operate just inside the law. So that means they're being lawful Yeah, so we need to kill let's just translate put out about we need to kill the key extremist influences Which I guess are going to be defined in the next 15 seconds

25:06 who are operating just inside the law. So that means if you're operating just inside the law, which would be, I don't know, lawful, lawful, then we need to kill them. But who clearly detest British society and everything we stand for. These people aren't just extremists, they're also despicable far-right groups too. We need to kill Nigel Farage. That's what he said. That's what he's saying. There are also far despicable far-right groups too. And what links them all is their aim to groom young people and brainwash their minds. Unlike what you're doing, Mr. Cameron. That is some very dangerous talking. That wasn't so early I'd give you a clip of the day. Really?

25:55 Don't you think that was kind of a it was kind of almost clip of the day give me almost clip of the day No, that's we that's called something else. Oh, I forgot called the borderline clip of the day The borderline clip of the day borderline clip of the day It's that is so dangerous what this man is saying gusting and what is what is interesting it took me because I got the transcript But it took me 15 minutes to find the full speech. The BBC had cut it down and did not include any of that, of course, and that was copied by Guardian, by Independent, everyone was using that same clip. And the full clip was hard to find. It wasn't even on any government website. Where'd you get it? YouTube. A YouTuber who would... Yeah, of course. YouTube. YouTube, of course. That's where you find all the good stuff. Exactly. Now, you talked about Feinstein knuckle.

26:49 She was on, what was she on? I think State of the Nation or State of the Earth. What is it? State the Facts? Be the Press? Face the Nation. Face the Press. Meet the Press and Face the Nation. And it was about the... Meet the Nation and Face the Press. That's what it is. You can have four shows. She was talking about the Chattanooga shooting, which by the FBI's own admission, they do not know if he was radicalized. They just don't have that information yet. It's also hard to get all the information from him because he's dead But she turned it right into some cyber stuff Where is she? Hello? Oh What is happening here? I'm sorry here we go on Thursday Mohammed Yousef Abdul Aziz went on a shooting spree at a marine facility in Chattanooga killing five do we have any idea any intelligence about what radicalized Abdul Aziz I

27:48 Well, not at the present time. Well, let's hear what she says. don't actually know if the guy was radicalized from the get-go. It's not classic. It's not classic. This could be a murder for all we know. Where do you think she's gonna take it? Where is she gonna take this? Well, she's not gonna take it to murder. Next year, 2014, ISIL or Daesh, at sake say it, in the area.

28:34 they always keep trying to slip the dash in. I don't know why, but it's not working. It could well be that this is that case. Here's somebody who had guns, who knew how to use them. Let me see if I tick all the boxes. Do I have guns? Yes. Do I know how to use them? Okay. Who may have been aggrieved by one thing or another. But this is all changing, and here's how it's changing. It is now possible for people, if they're going to talk from Syria to the United States or anywhere else, to get on an encrypted app.

29:21 which cannot be decrypted by the government with a court order. Oh my, Feinie! And this is extraordinarily dangerous. Is this extraordinarily dangerous, John? Okay, now I'm the guy doing the interviewing here and I'm saying, first of all, what would be the first thing I'd ask her? Well, you don't know. No, I don't know. Apparently he doesn't either. And the thing is, well, that's all well and good, but how would it be having this say, maybe we didn't even have any encryption? How would that have changed anything in this case? This kind of comes to fruition in the rest of the interview. ...by the government with a court order.

29:59 And this is extraordinarily dangerous. Is this the new state of affairs, which is to say there's no way he could have been caught by some kind of a screen. Intelligence couldn't have caught him. So is this just what life is going to be like now? I think to a great extent it is. This concerns me very greatly. I have met with the chief counsels of the internet companies, pointed this out, asked for help. There is also on the internet a stack of documents. Does she ask them for help or they ask her for help? She said she asked them for help. Okay. That's what she said. But there's also apparently a stack of documents on the internet.

30:42 Oh, really? It's probably like a hypercard stack or something. A stack of documents. Stack! It's not a stack, it's a stack of documents. that tell you how to make a bomb that goes through a magnetometer, where to sit on the plane to blow it up, suggest some people to kill, and is extraordinarily dangerous. I've asked... I don't think the stack by itself is extraordinarily dangerous. ...the internet companies to take that off. They will not do it unless they are mandated to do it by law. So you have a predetermined kind of

31:20 propaganda effort that with a too few clicks somebody can... Too few clicks! No, she said too few clicks. Too few, yeah. I like that. I've asked the internet companies to take that off. They will not do it unless they are mandated to do it by law. So you have a predetermined kind of propaganda effort that with a few clicks somebody can get to and it's very sophisticated. There is the sort of seduction all about where they do if they want to come to Syria and train, if not what they should do in this country.

32:08 Nice and her head is gone. I don't buy it this shit. What did what don't you buy? I don't buy anybody. I think she's full of crap if I'm an internet company, whatever that means But let's say I'm an executive at an internet company since the company itself is just an entity that's filed with the State Department this Department of State or the state. Mm-hmm. I'm an executive with XYZ and I run some little and somebody says to me hey you've got this this Terrorist document that's floating around it with too few clicks somebody can find it It's gonna tell them to kill the police department and it shows how to make a bomb that goes through a thing I'd go look and I know yeah, and you take it down you just take it down It wouldn't even be you wouldn't need to be forced to take it down something you don't want on your site

32:53 She was very unclear. I think maybe she's talking... The lawyer doesn't want it on their site. Nobody wants it on their site. We have it on our site. I'm sure we do. We have all kinds. We have the Unabomber manifesto on our site, which people say, you're like, I don't want to download that man. Do we have on our site a how to make a bomb that blows up on an airplane? Yes, we have a copy, a PDF copy of how to make a bomb in the kitchen of your mom. Yeah, we got that. Of course, I saved that. That's news gathering. Very important to have that archive. Now Mike Morrell, the former deputy director of the Central Intelligence Agency, who by the way, and I said by the way, is now a senior correspondent for CBS News. Yeah, I noticed that. Yeah, and he's dressing up in swanky shirts now, like blue kind of blue satin.

33:44 Mike, no. And by the way, let me say, by the way, you said it myself, you got me saying it. Let me say this about that. But you know, a lot of these things are on the, a lot of these documents on the internet are bogus. They're honey pots. Yeah, they're made by intelligence agencies. Yeah, most of them. In fact, that whole magazine is made by an intelligence agency. Inspire, Inspire magazine. And it shows you how to blow your... for all practical purposes, it is a methodology to blow yourself up. Yeah. It's no different than Abbie Hoffman's Steal This Book or the Anarchist Cookbook. Wow, I would love to have a... I would love to have... That's probably got better material in it. I would love to have a vintage copy of Steal This Book. I remember reading that when I was 10. Yeah, what did it tell you to do? It told you how to make a table out of a cable spool.

34:41 That's what I remember. I remember those. And then how to, you know, on the second touchdown of the Super Bowl, everybody should flush their toilet at the same time. I don't think, I don't know if that still works. I don't think it ever worked. And then there were some, some, you know, the book, Abbie Hoffman, Steele's book is well worth reading. You could not publish that, but even that reasonably tame book you could not publish today. You just couldn't do it. It would be all up in your grill. Because people don't like...because the furniture industry is against tables, spool tables. Are those spool tables, whatever they're called? You ask me things that you know I have the same answer as you do. Don't ask me that. Let's go back to Mike Morell. He goofed up and he let something slip in his analysis of The Lone Wolf.

35:32 The lone wolf. The lone wolf. That I found to be quite enlightening. Maybe part of the, the truth always wants to come out series. Yeah. Morrell's never been that talented at keeping a secret. Certainly for an agency man, I think he's very poor at it. Very poor. That's why he wasn't in the field. You know, put that guy to death. Yeah, that's why he's out. CBS News Senior Security Contributor Michael Morrell. Senior security contributor. Nice, Mike. I would guess, I want to say, just throw this in. I know people that, you know, they're coming in and out of the media jobs like this. They demand these titles. Of course. Of course. Hey, I'd want that. They can't be a security analyst or whatever. They have to be a senior... Senior security...

36:15 Corresponding engineers are typical with this wanting to use the word senior because it means something and it's not in most Situations like in publishing a lot of these things like seeing senior contributing editor just means you don't do anything It's a bad title. You don't want that well His, uh, his cock up fits his job title. CBS News Senior Security Contributor Michael Morell is with us from- You can even hear Charlie Rose tripping over it going like, really this fucker, he wants to be senior security and really that's what he wants? You can hear him like, seniors- CBS News senior security contributor Michael Morell is with us from San Francisco. He is a former CIA deputy director. Michael, good morning. Good morning, Charlie. What is the implication of this attack and is it the worrisome threat of the future?

37:06 So, Charlie, we still don't know what motivated this young man. I would not be surprised if we found out that he was indeed motivated by ISIS or another Islamic extremist. Hey, Mike, none of us will be surprised if that is the conclusion. None of us. Organization. I think that's where we're going to end up here. That would make it the most significant ISIS-inspired attack that we've had on our soil. Really? The most significant Isis inspired attack Well, what are you thinking? I don't know if it's the most significant one. I don't know there's any other ones. Let's listen on afar There was the hatchet attack in New York City And of course there was the attack in Texas the attempted attack in Texas so this would be the third by far the worst This is the wave of the future Charlie. This is not surprising to me people have been warning about this for months and

38:04 Michael, you were, uh, been here... Now, I love all this. First, you know, it's like, you've been warning about it, we've been warning about it, people have been warning about it, oh my goodness, it happened! Here on the show, warning of this very type of attack, including at Matilla... Wait a minute, did he warn this very type of attack or just something at a military base or... No. Including at Matilla... military facilities. How is it that he was not on any terrorism watch list and that his father was at some point but then removed? Now the key here, I think, I didn't know this, his father was on a watch list? Did you know that? I didn't know this either. But I think that is the key as to what he says next. Father was at some point but then removed. So this is the most worrisome part of this kind of threat, that you can have a young man who may not be in any contact with a foreign intelligence, a foreign terrorist organization, Nora, but

38:59 No contact with a foreign intelligence organization. Now, Mike, we know you meant to say that. Because of course. Of course they were part of a foreign intelligence organization. That's exactly what's going on here. Maybe not so foreign either who is in his own home in his bedroom in his basement watching videos That's it going to website. That's it. Yeah, and by the way. I'm jerking off to porn is completely self-radicalized Contact with foreigners or with anybody in the United States have you noticed that the the terms that are being used to describe self-radicalized use youths

39:41 Are exactly the same as when bloggers first came out in the basement some guy in a basement eating cheese sandwiches grilled cheese grilled cheese eating grilled cheese sandwiches Exactly basement. So yeah, we're not that far away from back to have a look as he said something else. It was amusing Shoot, I'm sorry. I just dropped the clip and What was it that he said that was amusing? I can't remember, but I just remember it was amusing and I have to revisit it. Okay, hold on one second. So the problem, if I dump a clip then it's... I don't need the excuses. I'm just trying to fill time until the slider fills up. Read from my tweets! Yes, read from your tweets, please. It's taking a long time for the slider bar to show up. It's a flaw in the software. Oh, here it is. Okay.

40:34 terrorist organization, Nora, but who is in his own home, in his bedroom, in his basement, watching videos, going to websites, who is completely self-radicalized without any contact with foreigners or with anybody in the United States. That is the most dangerous because they can go out and do something and nobody knows anything about it except them. What was the funny thing? I don't know. Was it before that? I think the word foreigners is one of them. I mean, using these words. But, okay, let's assume what he said is true. They're in the basement, go into websites,

41:13 They're dreaming up this stuff on their own. They're not talking to anybody else, which by the way means that this encryption argument, all this other crap... It's specious. It's specious. Perfect. It's bullcrap. There's no reason to have any of this, all these encrypted, yo, let's get all the, bust everyone's encryption. No reason to do that, apparently, if you listen to this thesis. That's right. And then he goes off and... This is a criminal. This is a criminal act. People do stuff like this. This has been going on. We have a high crime rate in this country. This is a variation of that. So what? Do we really have a high crime rate? We have a... Well, it's a higher crime rate than a lot of places. Not as high as, let's say, you know, Uganda. But it's a high crime rate. The Iksne and the Uganda, yay.

41:56 I'm going. I don't want a high crime rate. Ghana is one of our guys. Accra. It's not Acra by the way, it's Accra. We've been pronouncing it wrong all these years. I don't think I've ever had the word Accra in my mouth, ever. Accra. For 20 plus years! It has the word in your mouth, but then again. Yeah, exactly. Yes. Now, let's also go over this. ISIL's been around for what, three years now, four? Something like that, yeah. Yeah, let's say three. I'll just give them a benefit of the doubt and make it three. We should look at their articles in incorporation. Let me see what they're like. We've had three events. They probably had more than a few meetings. We've had three crappy events. One of them was like egged on by this woman, you know, the one in Texas, and another one is some guy with an axe running around.

42:46 big threat. And now this guy. This is low, low numbers. I don't see why they want to make people shake their boots. They're going to do a better job than this. And so they're talking about this encryption, which of course we all know what is ultimately going to happen. There will be some government sanctioned encryption system That will be the official way to do it and everyone will be using that. And it'll have back doors. Well, of course it'll have back doors. Which means it's useless because if the government has the key to the back door, so will the criminals. Well, it's interesting because the way it's going now with the most recent wired expose, we're going to have back doors into your vehicle.

43:34 I'm sure you I'm sure you I have a little audio report of what I'm sure everyone saw what started as an ordinary highway drive Quickly turned terrifying for Andy Greenberg Okay, hold on tight. Hold on as hackers remotely took control of his 2014 Jeep Cherokee sending him into a ditch Greenberg a reporter for Wired magazine, did this on purpose, working with cyber security experts, hackers, to show how some connected cars can be vulnerable. It seems to be fun. So I can only imagine if the same thing was done to you without any forewarning whatsoever, how much

44:11 fear that could instill in someone. The hackers in the Wired article accessed the Jeep through its infotainment system to change the radio and the AC and in a much more dangerous move to kill the engine. You gotta turn the car off! The two researchers believe that as many as 471,000 vehicles are potentially vulnerable. They've only verified that on a 2014 Jeep Cherokee. Chrysler, which owns Jeep, released a software update this month and says it has a team focused on identifying and implementing software best practices, including cybersecurity for all vehicle content, including onboard and remote services.

44:48 Just today, a bill introduced in Congress would require that connected cars protect drivers against cyber criminals. With encryption, I presume. And have technology that can stop a hack in real time. That means we'll be monitoring, you know, 100 million cars in real time to stop a cyber attack in real time. Well, what's interesting, according to the WIRED article, the way this hack works is As long as you're on the Sprint network and can ping an IP address, then what they were showing, apparently, is that you can get GPS coordinates and then through the entertainment system, which sounds just as bogus as the... No, it's totally bogus. I mean, what these guys did is they loaded new firmware onto the cam chip, which really controls all the management of the vehicle's functioning.

45:45 Okay, so you're telling me that you were able to install that? Well, they had to install it. Let me read a note from a guy, one of our producers who talked about this a little bit. Based on the picture, the Jeep would have a Chrysler Uconnect audio climate control system. It does not have the capability to play or transmit video to the screen. which they claim to have done, with the exception of the rear camera. And that function is actuated by putting the transmission in reverse. And you can't do that. They claim that they showed up on the video screen in the car, which had, yeah, possible if you if you were in there changing the firmware. This just reeks of... Yeah, if you hacked the whole car and you put a new system in, you could do anything. This is like, oh, you know, the brakes don't work. The brakes, they can be hacked because you can cut the brake lines. I mean, this this doesn't count. Let's go on with some of the stuff this guy says.

46:34 You have to put the transmission in reverse to get the camera to turn on or to get into the camera subsystem. The windshield wipers on that particular car are actuated by a physical switch on a stock. They don't have, they're not involved with the... Oh really? They're not, according to him, they're not involved with the rest of the subsystems. It's mechanically impossible for the RPMs to climb while the car decelerates unless the transmission is shifted into neutral and the transmission is not controlled by the Uconnect system. And what is our producers, Yeah, what is his credibility level does he have he's a high-end techie at a company that does well That's what I wanted to hear good. That's what that's the kind of techies obviously That's kind of the bit about jerking the seatbelt by the way. I got into a beef on Twitter I'm getting sick of this, but this happens all the time. I said well How are you gonna be I said this sounds like bullcrap to me? How you gonna be jerking the seatbelts, and I have a bunch of well There are some systems that they're laying controls

47:28 system... Wait, wait, wait. I know that guy. I know that guy on Twitter. Yeah, you know that guy. Yeah. And he goes, you could conjure up the system. So I looked it up because nobody...they're gonna just throw it...this is the I think phenomenon that you've been bitching about. Well, I bitched about it after the show, so we should probably... Yes, we'll talk about it later because I have some examples in the show today. So, you know, this and that. I looked it up. No. The Jeep Cherokee system of the lane control system involves a visual signal and then they jerk the steering wheel, which is the way most of them work. This does not involve the seat belts. okay let's go on that's a bit about jerking the seatbelt and taking over the steering wheel in the twenty two thirty twenty thirteen experiment again complete bullshit those items are not electronically actuated system these two idiots would have had to physically grab the seatbelt the steering wheel in order to things meant to do things mentioned in the article

48:19 The best one, hacking into the brake system is not only completely false but also reckless journalism. I don't know what that... I don't know what reckless journalism. Reckless journalism! That bugs me. I think we perform reckless journalism if anyone does. The brakes on the car, along with the steering wheel, are among the few things that will work if the car is to completely lose electrical power. You'll lose your power. I've noticed this. But the brakes and steering have to work manually. As far as I know, that's a requirement for all cars sold in the United States. Now, he takes it, which again means you could turn off the electricity and drive the car. Again, you have to be able to do that.

49:00 Otherwise, you'd kill somebody. And this is being done on the freeway, which seems questionable. Then he says...then he has a theory. He says it sounds like a hit piece on Fiat Chrysler on behalf of the UAW. I know that the FCA is currently looking for another auto manufacturer to partner with that's Fiat Chrysler, whatever. I'm a partner with Combined Resources and potentially sell off Chrysler and its subsidiaries, Ram, Jeep, and Dodge. If the UAW can sabotage that, they can keep the jobs in the U.S. a little longer." I think this is just one of those, you know, these two guys are part of a... They're a consulting firm. They're gonna... Yeah, they did this in... They received an $80,000 grant to do this.

49:48 So, yeah, but more importantly, if we're all going to accept this, then I demand, as a citizen of the United States of Gitmo Nation, I demand we reopen the investigation on Michael Hastings. Because we all can't be in on this is, oh, it's real, it can happen. And then when you say, well, Michael Hastings, the Breitbart reporter who had important information who died in a one car crash. Rolling Stone. You can't then say, oh, that's just a conspiracy theory. That's the same guy, by the way, from Twitter. It's true. Yeah. You just can't do that. So some awfully fishy about that story. You can't have it both ways. For 20 plus years, they've had glow in the dark dogs you can buy that are part jellyfish. Bingo. J. Johnson, J. Johnson, who is our secretary of the Department of Homeland Security, who, by the way, and I said it big exclamation marks,

50:51 These guys, DHS, there's a cyber bill. Let me open this up for you. You're gonna love this. This is... What bill number is this? Oh, it doesn't even have a number yet. Okay, so it's coming. It's early. This is a bill to strengthen the ability of the Secretary of Homeland Security so that would be J Johnson, to detect and prevent intrusions against and to use countermeasures to protect government agency information systems. This act may be cited as the Federal Information Security Management Reform Act. FISMRA. I know, that's a shitty acronym people. And what it does, it has, the idea is, I believe it's eight billion dollars

51:42 they want to appropriate so that Department of D... No, not the Department, the Secretary of the... Yes, the Secretary of Homeland Security, Judd Johnson, can then implement systems, I guess, to protect government agency information systems, which would include OPM, you know, anything like that. And then Judd Johnson got called out in, I think it was Bloomberg, for using his personal Gmail at the office. And although it isn't really clear in this clip you're about to hear, there's one little piece that is important I want to play. The reason why that is inherently dangerous is, you know, JavaScript inserts, if you're looking at your Gmail, then, you know, that could do all...if you're using browser-based systems, it could potentially make your next connection to the internal email insecure.

52:39 I think we would all agree that is possible. We've seen these types of hacks before. Yeah, oh, okay, so the possibility of using Gmail. But the cavalier attitude of Mr. Johnson, the man who is about to receive, or will once this is through, I'm sure it's going to happen, will receive eight billion dollars to protect the very same systems that he is using, is so cavalier, I think he needs to be called to account. Let's be clear about what that story is talking about. At my desktop at work, I was via the internet accessing my personal Gmail account so I could see who was sending me stuff on my Gmail. Yeah, you know, see if I got any Tinder dates. Personal account, not to be confused with my DHS email which I use all the time.

53:25 And there are, I received a waiver from our chief information officer to do that. Who should be fired for that waiver? So into the rules, but totally there are some security risks that have been raised concerning that. So I'm suspending that. Probably should have done it sooner. Yeah. And I want to see the others on that list do the same thing. I think that DHS, has to be the model for good cybersecurity in the federal government. And certainly as the secretary and the leader of the department, I should be a model for the rest of the department. Now, okay, I got it. You're very serious about your cybersecurity of the government.gov domain. And of course you will be receiving billions of dollars to shore up that security. But one, you make a mistake like this.

54:11 How do you classify that kind of mistake? That's what I intend to do. Did you conduct any DHS business on your Gmail? No, that's not my practice. Occasionally would somebody mistakenly send me an email on my Gmail and I'd push it to my DHS email. Oh, he'd push it, which means you're forwarding it, creating another copy on Gmail in the sent box. This guy is, he should not be in charge of any cybersecurity. He does not, it just, oh I pushed it. No you forwarded it, you didn't push it. But I'm a frequent user of DHS email so that's not, that's not an issue.

54:53 Well, frequent user of DHS email, that's not really the standard. No, I mean I use my DHS email for government business. I use my Gmail for private business. I wonder what he's using it for. And so were you, when you look at some of the hacking that we've seen, including Sony, were you taking a risk by having Gmail on your desktop? Probably not an appreciable one, but one that probably should be eliminated. So I'm eliminating it. And what was the trigger that caused you to eliminate it? Well, that story certainly helped. Yeah, he said that article exactly. No one within the department, not his chief information officer, no one. But then... But frankly, I mean, to be perfectly honest,

55:42 This is something that I had for a while and... But when he said, when someone says to be perfectly honest, I usually say, oh, as opposed to the bullshit you've just been feeding me for the past minute and a half? I said, so frankly is another one that triggers that thought. Yeah. But I mean, frankly, I mean, to be perfectly honest, This is something that I had for a while and when I read the story I said, you know, oops, this is not a good practice. Oh, okay. That's how that is. There's your cybersecurity of the United States of America, everybody. Oops. You have to just assume the Russians have got all our email going right straight to them. And then includes Hillary's stuff when she was doing her own server. They have all those. Well, I had a thought about him and his Gmail and he seems like a guy that might have this issue. The

56:37 Ashley Madison hack, which we know very little about. Yes, sir. I'm telling you that in the right hands, you know that politicians, most people in general, I'm sure if you look at the percentages, what we have like 40% divorce rate in America. Plus 44. Yeah. Politicians, I'm sure that they're on Ashley Madison looking for, you know, dates. Yeah. Cause there's not enough women in Washington, D.C. to pick up anybody on the street. They need fresh, fresh women that haven't been like tossed around a lot. And I'm thinking he's he's waiting for dates to come in from his Ashley Madison account. And he's using he's using the Gmails for that.

57:23 And I have a feeling that, you know, we know very little. This information has not been published. This Ashley Madison stuff, it hasn't gotten out there. Who has it and what will they do with it? I tell you that this is a blackmail operation. And there's a ton of... I like it. I like this theory. I didn't wish... didn't discuss it in any detail on the last show we discussed the hack. Or actually I discussed a heck with maybe with Shorowitz. I don't remember who I discussed. This is the problem with doing too many shows. You do two. You do two shows. I'm doing two shows and I can't keep track. Too many shows. Terrible. Too many shows. I'm doing too much work. The point is that obviously

58:05 This is a blackmail thing. This is perfect. This is like having the hooker's address book. You have the Washington... I mean, that's what they did with that poor woman they busted in Washington, D.C., the one that the madam, the super madam. The D.C. madam, yeah. The first thing they did was grab that book and that thing was just destroyed. Yeah, don't know what happened to it. It was gone. I don't know. I went into police custody and now it's disappeared. Now, now you got something. Wow. Yeah, well, you know, keep our eye on it. Let's see who's acting strange. I think Judd Johnson, who look, I would say Judd Johnson's acting strange. Don't you feel, doesn't he look a bit like just one of these typical guys? Like a, I hate to say it, like a Bill Cosby, you know, pointing the finger at everybody else and then doing all kinds of crazy shit in the background. There are a lot of people like this. A lot of people. Point the finger and then do the opposite. So I should discontinue it. And how did Josh Rogan find out about this?

59:04 I, you have to ask Josh Rogin. No, but do you guys know like how it leaked or how people found out or how it came to their attention? I wish I knew the source of all leaks in Washington. Oh yeah, I bet you do. I don't. PUTICO's cybersecurity editor, Sean Waterman, sends me a question on moral hazard. He says, why is it that these rules only seem to apply to the little people, not the bosses? Good question. Well, as I said, I obtained a waiver from the chief information officer of the department. Who is the chief information officer of DHS? Let's see if we can find out. I'll look him up if I can find him, but I find this to be bogus. Bogus? I doubt this. It's a new chief informa... Oh no. You doubt what? I doubt he got a waiver. It's just like, hey, you know, it's one of these things, oh, jeez, I gotta get off. This is, they're on my case. And you call, I mean, so how am I gonna get out of it? And you have a meeting, staff meeting. We're screwed. We got this problem. The chief information officer's at the meeting. He says, just tell him he got a waiver from me. I'll cover your ass. Oh, thanks, Bill. Thanks.

1:00:06 I really appreciate it. I'll just say that you can say you made a mistake. Yeah, I'll take it. It's no big deal. I'm not going to get fired. Don't worry about it. I got you covered. His name is Luke. Yeah, Luke. Luke. Luke. Luke. Luke. Luke. Bluejay McCorvey. Luke, this is one of those things. You ever see these situations in these government things where the guy screws up? Or somebody screws up, but a guy gets blamed. Oh, this guy is the worst. He did all these bad things. Then he gets promoted. And then the media's always going, oh, this guy, he's responsible for this mess. Probably wasn't. Probably wasn't responsible. That's why he got promoted. That's how Uncle Don became ambassador to South Korea. Really? Yeah. He took a bullet? No, he messed up on... He took a bullet on Iran-Contra. He set up the meeting with

1:00:57 Felix Rodriguez and then had that, you know, it was written down. Don's a note taker and he'd written it down and then that surfaced. Uh-oh. Uh-huh. And then it was like... Don't write stuff down. But he made it through a senatorial, near the oversight committee and they were very mean to him. That's so big. I've received it, I'm gonna look this up. Somewhere I have a, this would be fun to read, somewhere I have a note from Aunt Meg to my mom. About him getting through I gotta find this this letter I'll see if I can it's just one of these things that you know cleaning up my crap from the old house and I ran across this and it's like oh, that's interesting Anyway, the chief information officer the he comes from the Department of Justice this Luke

1:01:44 He knows how to play the game. Yeah, where he was deputy assistant attorney general, so he's a lawyer for information. Oh, so he's the chief information officer? Mm-hmm. So he knows everything about computers and he can give him the go-ahead. That makes sense. Prior to his tenure at DOJ, Mr. McCormack served as the immigration and customs enforcement CIO. that held several other senior Homeland Security IT management positions from 99 to 2012, a U.S. Customs and Border Protection, its legacy agency U.S. Customs. His private sector positions included management roles within MCI, Ford Aerospace, and a smaller minority-owned firm. Does that mean... Howard Marks He's a spook. He's got spook written all over him. Come on, tell me I'm wrong. John Lewis Let's see, MBA...

1:02:30 MBA. That could be a typo. It says MBA. Master of Veterinary and Affairs. He holds an MBA from the Smith School, University of Maryland, and holds key certifications, or like ran the school newspaper, at Columbia University and National Defense University. My guy. Uh-huh. A lifer guy. You're right, lifer guy. Final bit here from... So if you want to It'd be in a race. You'll get a bump. If you want to protect your internal systems, you know, how does Judd Johnson, the secretary of Department of Homeland Security, how does he segregate this and make sure everything is all safe? This. And he gave me the waiver, but I do believe that I should set the standard. And so... Okay. What's the standard? I'll just use my iPhone. No problem. Just use my iPhone.

1:03:21 I'll just use my iPhone, no problem. Yeah, so last question on this. What? Yeah, here it comes again. How will you read Gmail now? On my iPhone. like a lot of other people. And so that's the... There it is. That's your cyber security expert right there. Holy mackerel! I'll read it on my iPhone. I'll read it on my iPhone. Like other people. That's the practical differences rather than using a government desktop, you're gonna use an iPhone. Yeah, rather than accessing the internet and accessing my Gmail on a desktop, I'll just use my iPhone. I'll just move my iPhone. Wow. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.

1:04:00 They need a guy like Joe Engo. I love Joe, but I just get a short, short picture of him with his pink hair and his, and his dresses. I went to pink hair and his four and a half inch heels in terms of, in terms of a guy who knows, Oh, he knows his stuff. Hell yeah. But I just can't see Joe Engo gelling very well. You can't see him working it out with Joe Johnson. Like, hey Mr. Johnson, I'm Joe Engo. I'm at Jingo. Joe would have these things. It was annoying to everybody. You couldn't do anything. Let me just state that Joe Engo was one of the

1:04:41 Server guys at the time was a server guy at pod show and Joe Really knows his stuff, and he lives eats security. He is yeah He is dude named Ben for network security, but he also is He's a transvestite, I believe. I don't know what he is. It's just beside the point. No, it's interesting. And it's not beside the point because you have to imagine Joe at Django on Twitter. Just look at the pictures. You have to imagine Joe with his pink hair and his four and a half inch heels. Clickety clack, clickety clack. Hey, Jay! But he would do stuff like

1:05:19 It all disappeared when he quit. And he quit for some interesting reasons, but he quit. He would do stuff like, you want to use the internal Wi-Fi network. He had to mail you the password, which was a mile long and consisted mostly of carrots. with all kinds of code that was like, you don't even... I don't even know if I could type this. I could cut and paste it, but I couldn't type. So you get this in email, which probably was a security breach because the email could have been forwarded. But then you had to patch this thing in. It was a jillion miles long, and then you get on... You did not say a jillion miles. I said that. I'm sorry. I will give myself minus one point. That was very bad. That was minus two.

1:06:09 I can't go any further than that, but he, uh, it was, he knew his stuff. I mean, I argued with him endlessly because we had, we were trying to market something using WordPress and you know, you go to the blog. I remember all this. There was nothing you could do. I wanted to use a plug and not do it. Security problem. Everything was everything on WordPress apparently was a security issue. Yeah, yeah. What was he protecting as the other thing the important information of pod show our content? I'm like please would anybody please steal our content put it on wikiLeaks at least someone watches this shit But no that Those guys are out there Those guys are good, and they you know good, and they know what they're doing apparently

1:06:59 These guys have no clue. I'm sure Megan Smith will bring in the right people. She doesn't know those people either. And with that, I'd like to thank you for your courage and say, in the morning to you, John C, where the C stands for Colonel Cash Dvorak. You're stretching. You're stretching. I am. Well, in the morning to you, Adam Curry, also in the morning, all ships and sea boots on the ground, feet in the air, subs in the water. and all the dames and knights out there. What did he have for us? This was the episode was Losers to Lions and oh yes, it was the no agenda ISIS lone wolf with the current confederate flag in the background. It was quite nice. The lone wolf.

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1:09:47 by the country that's largely known for the popularization of the TCPIP protocol for the Windows machines. $500... Wait a minute, you can't just make a statement like that without some explanation? Yeah, the guy, there was some guy that was, when TCPIP first appeared and it was being used... Wasn't that Bob Metcalfe? Or he created Ethernet? No, the TCPIP was created by all these guys, including your buddy over there who became an MCI and went to Google. Oh, yeah. Vince. Vince. Surf. He's a big pusher of that. But there was this kid. I hear that TCPIP might be something one day. Well, it was funny to watch. I was going to a lot of trade shows during this transition and there's all these small... Transition from what? From Novell Networks or... From... AppleTalk? There was no... The networking going on was like a lot of token ring. Oh, token ring, yes. There's a bunch of crazy things going on. Net buoy. Oh man, that was the bane of my existence. Net buoy. Well, whatever. There was a bunch of... The TCPIP was kind of the laggard. Nobody thought much about it.

1:10:50 That Twitter guy again. Because it was hard to...that guy, it was hard to implement on, especially on Windows machines. And some guy, I wish I remembered his name because we brought him over here and we honored him once, and he was the guy who simplified the TCPIP stack So it worked effortlessly on Windows. I think it was either incorporated in or developed parallel to the BSD TCP IP stack was adopted. And that's the one that was... Was it Robert Kahn? Was that his name? No. If you said his name, I'd remember it. That's why I said Robert Kahn. Well, maybe it was. I don't think so. But I don't remember his name at the moment. He is noted here in the Book of Knowledge. Is he in Tasmania? Robert Elliot Bob Kahn.

1:11:37 And Tasmania. Let me see. Tasmania is not found on the page. Okay, it's a different guy. There's a bunch of people that ended up doing it and the one that finally won was the one that developed through the Berkeley... BS Linux. Right. Anyway, so there's a lot it's a convoluted story. I just mentioned it casually. I didn't know about the Tasmanian connection That's all that's the mania connection and they probably have good networking there and everything I'm sure just listening to show 740 writes sir Tim And was appalled and slightly ashamed that you had won just one producer. Yeah, we only had one producer. That was bad. It was a bad day. That was $200, one producer. So please accept my apology and also my donation. On a positive note, my, and his donation was $500 flat. My wife has finally seen the light for months. She has been asking me why I'm so cynical and negative. We're not trying to make people cynical and negative. No. Just cynical.

1:12:37 I took a mutual friend to show her a YouTube clip from Steve Hughes, the heavy metal comedian. The heavy metal comedian. I like this. I'm familiar with Steve Hughes. For her to realize I'm not alone, since she has listened to No Agenda on a few of our weekend trips away, by the end of the second show she said, you should send those guys some money and change your title. Wow! So as this donation gives me a second knighthood, I would request a title change to Sir Tim of the Map of Tassie.

1:13:16 You know, does your wife, Sir Tim of Tassie, does your wife know that you have to send in photos of her to the show? When you change your title? I'm sure she knows, right? Pictures. Cheerio, he says. P.S. Is it wrong that my seven-year-old daughter now calls her frenemies at school douchebags? Ah, yes. Another soul saved, John. PPS, no jingles request, just to keep the show's going. I'm gonna give the guy some karma for getting his wife turned on. You've got karma. So to speak. Alright, so now we have someone who decided to write a war and peace as their donation note. The war and peace report?

1:13:59 Eric, whoops, it's hard to keep, yeah, the War and Peace Report from Eric Hoff in Edmonton was donated $370. And I didn't get to this in time to edit it down, but let's just, I'll read it. I'll read some of it. I'm happy people are supporting us. Yes, well, after last week for sure. This donation completes my knighthood. It said to celebrate my birthday on Saturday. So he's got a birthday, check to see if he's got a birthday, because it's blue and yellow sometimes. Will do. Will do. His birthday is Saturday, Sunday, Saturday, July 25th. Lately I've had a device on my shoulder sort of like the one the ISIS agents have except telling me to kill it, to kill it. Instead of telling me to kill it, sorry, I'm reading this cold. Instead of telling me to kill it, it's telling me to donate, donate, donate.

1:14:48 Donate, donate, donate. It's a little thing, a little man on his shoulder. I'm very excited to finally be knighted. I've been listening to No Agenda for a very long time, well before episode 200, I started listening to random old pre-200 episodes. They're fun and ran into a few things I forgot about, such as the embroidered No Agenda HEMA underwear. Many of our schemes. Yet another money-making idea that went nowhere. the HEMA underwear and the nattering nabobs of negativism. It's jarring now to hear John saying things like the fact of the matter, and I don't say that very, I rarely say fact of the matter. I may have in the past. Oh, I see you're hearing the old shows. And I even caught Adam saying the stock market glitched

1:15:31 In both in episode 1 oh no no no no no no no this can't be true. This cannot be true Go back to 104 and check it out Okay, you have to admit that after all the ranting we do and we do hearing Adam say something glitched is now pretty funny We've corrected most of these errors and blunders. And we've made people...I think the coolest thing is that we...because I know what happened to me, we've made people so aware of these phrases and these usages like, no, yeah, yeah, no, that when you watch TV, you just catch them constantly. Adam, all the time. All the time. And Eric is on the birthday list. He was on the list. Good. Good.

1:16:14 Anyways, he says, I like show 207 and 200.7 and I love the interviews episode two. I don't know that Apple saved AOL from going bankrupt until that interview or I didn't know. Yes, I actually didn't know either. Scully always has some stuff to tell us. Okay, where am I? Oh, Squirrel News, your good Monation audio publication. You know what comes through from the Stargate? Fish. Then what comes through the Climate Gate? Climate. And the phone should be made out of Bakelite. Adam says this is exactly like Atlas Shrugged, John Groans, Chemtrails, Glove 33 and Raven, Monsanto, Trains Good, Planes Bad, Fluoride, The No Agenda, Swine Flu Minute, The Chiners, and on and on. Can you read the rest? Because I can't.

1:17:06 Because I can't get that to stand. Excuse me. The war between the reptilians, the tall blonde aliens, Adam quote, no really this was all an Atlas shrug. John quote, this is going to cost us donations. Cashless society coming soon. First announced in 2009. You're stepping on my punchline. This was even before show 100. Rubenesque women. Speaking Dutch, because even in Dutch words matter. Dvorak's Law and of course mutton and mead. John actually reads this on the air. I'm looking forward to hearing the voice he'll use. He'll use a pretty nice voice. So he will be knighted. Sir will code for coffee. And he is also added to the birthday list July 25th. Now he mentioned one of our many schemes, the HEMA underwear. You know, I'm from the future, but I didn't expect the future to come this quickly.

1:17:58 I was saying that we're going to we need an Uber for medicine. Well, no sooner had I said it and everyone sends me this like a day later. Yeah, what is the name of this app? I don't think it has a name. It's an Uber-like service. That's exactly it's exactly what I said they should do. And here it is. We're going to have this for everything. This is the model forward. An Uber for absolutely everything. You want to have someone clean your house? There's going to be an Uber app for that. One of our producers is on the inside and he said, oh, you have no idea. Uber is so doing this. They just want to be the Uber for everything, connecting services, people that perform a service. Middlemen. Middlemen, yeah. And then taking the money and the vig in the middle. And they will be very successful at this. Their infrastructure is beyond compare.

1:18:50 And of course they've got a whole bunch of military people on the board and all kinds of insiders. So they're the chosen ones. Yeah, well, I'm glad. Yeah, me too. Alright, onward. Earl Gene, Sheriff of Texas. Gene Natulia of $333.33. Good to have him back. Claims he's donating from Squim, Washington. Near the Ring of Fire. Here's some money for your summer doldrums. Please promote my Kickstarter.

1:19:26 Okay, he's got some, okay. Yeah, this is the URL of HTTP, blah, blah, blah. Small g, small n dot, small t, small l slash, capital D, capital M one, capital L, small u, small x. What did you think of it, Adam? You have one, apparently. Yeah, this is one of these card holders. Does he makes them out of inside carbon fiber titanium and all right? I like it a lot It's didn't didn't send you one. No. I'm pretty sure he did I remember well. It's very it's a very nice product. I use it all the time for my cards I don't remember seeing one. No, that's true. He wants karma karma karma karma. You've got oh yeah, karma Thank you very much, sir Jean the Earl

1:20:22 Earl Jean, Sheriff of Texas. Sheriff Jean. And finally, last but not least, associate executive producer, rolls in Oscar Schenck, $200 and $1 in Castricum, which is in Holland. ITM Podfather and John C. D., thanks for what you do. I'm still broke but made a move last week to Portugal after two years counting seeds in Holland. On my way, I crashed my car but got a rental to continue. I almost lost my eight surfboards on the roof. Party time. Going to Portugal. A surfer. Are there surfers there in Holland? I didn't know that. But he's moving to Portugal.

1:21:11 There's some waves there. There's some waves. I think they either sold or they've put up for sale that ghost airport in Portugal. The one that no one ever lands at? I thought that was in Spain. Oh, maybe it was. I'm sorry. I think the ghost airport was in Spain. It could be Spain. I could be wrong. The Portuguese did, I think compared to the Spains, the two countries decided to just rip off the EU as best they could to build out. In fact, Spain built out some subway systems. I mean, there's a subway system in the Basque country. What's the name of it? There's a couple of towns up there.

1:21:48 I mean, it's very modern, very cool. They got some nice highways they put down in Spain, but they also put up big bank buildings and they squandered a lot of their money, including that airport. The Portuguese seem to just because like you said, when you were there, it was all dirt roads and now it's all freeways. They've really modernized the country and they haven't hurt themselves necessarily, even though they're broke. I told you about the time that I went to Portugal and I was a superstar? Would that were 20 years ago? Longer. Almost 30 years ago. Wow. When they had no roads. Were you 19? I was 19 or 20. And there was a consortium, the satellite television was just really taking off and they had Europa TV, which is all the public broadcasters of Europe. And, you know, some multiple contributed news. And then what we did is an hour of music videos every single day.

1:22:43 And of course, this is pre-email. So people would, we would solicit postcards and letters. And I had probably 25, at any given moment, 25 full mail sacks. Bins. Mail sacks, like canvas, you know, burlap bags. Yeah, it was mail. Yeah. And, um, but the time Portugal was a complete third world country, everything was a mess. And what they were doing is they were taking the integral, uh, Europa TV signal and rebroadcasting it on the terrestrial RTP2. They only had two stations, and they certainly had no music video. So all of a sudden, there I am playing music videos and I'm reading, you know, there's a six foot four, blonde guy, blue eyes, kind of, reading their mail. So we knew that there was a good market for us, so we decided to go, you know, to around the country. And it was, of course, in conjunction with TAP,

1:23:34 the Tourist Association Portugal. So it's all, someone was getting paid for it, not me. And we land and we, at the time we had carnets. You remember the carnets? If you wanted to import, you know, if you had camera gear and you're going into a country, you had all this documentation. Oh right, because you had to bring, when you went to Europe in the early days, early days, 23 years ago, you had to bring all this documentation that you owned the camera. That's right. So then you had to clear it because because apparently you could buy the cameras cheap. This is all part of fair trade that you it's like Where'd you get that camera? You bought it over here because it was cheaper Yeah, and you couldn't get gouged the United States the United States was all about gouging especially in the 70s So we're doing the carnets or carne a I think it's French carne carne a

1:24:25 And I hear this noise and I can't place it. I thought like something was dragging on the baggage carousel. I couldn't quite play. Everyone heard it was like this, like some swarm of birds or something. And then we would go through customs, the sliding doors, which are milky glass, open up and there's 5,000 kids waiting for me. It was insane. Did you sign autographs? They were hanging on, we had a van, like a Renault Espace van, and they were hanging on the van as we're driving. They were in a frenzy. They should have grabbed you and stripped your clothes off and then beat the crap out of you. So here's the kicker.

1:25:04 I would say, jokingly, you know, I'm pretty much the same guy I was when I was 19, instead of, you know, send some pictures, although I frequently solicited naked pictures and received them. But I would say, hey, you know, give me a Lamborghini. For some reason I thought Lamborghini was a cool car. And I have, I'll take a picture, I'll put it in the show notes. I have front page articles from the A Capital newspaper with girls giving me Lamborghinis. What? Yeah, they were there. They had the Lamborghinis give- say, here's the keys to the Lamborghini. Wow. Did you take any of them? No, of course not. Ah! No. No. No. I didn't even have sex with any of them.

1:25:49 It was how stupid I was. Moron. Fell in love early, no money for the gig, no Lamborghini, no banging hot chicks. I didn't have an agent. That's the problem. If only I'd known you then, Dvorak. Boy, would my life have turned out. I wouldn't have been able to help much. I would have taken the Lamborghini. That would have been my fee. All right, we're done with our... Yeah, I want to remind people we do have a show coming up on Sunday. We have a lot of good stuff that's going to be produced for that. And then Dvorak.org slash NA. So this is a good opening salvo. The rest of it is not as good, but this at least helped. And then a quick PR mention from Sir Ramsey Kane. In the morning, the new No Agenda CD is out. You can find it at noagendacd.com. The new disc is called Tech Horny and is specifically geared towards dudes named Ben.

1:26:40 Bill, listen up, dude's name's Ben, I'm gonna ship 400 CDs to my hotel in Las Vegas and hand them out at Defcon. Good man! Yes, this'll be great. This is the guy who knows what he's doing. The next few days we'll also have a more traditional NACD available. We're going to ship some of those as well and hand them out on the strip. You should put a, like some hooker with a phone number on it. Yeah, some of those girls. Yeah, I'll take that CD. I figured that Noah Jenner would. That's what I would do. Yeah, put some hottie on there. With a number. With a phone number. 002-345-709. That's my number. Something that if you put in the browser, it'd go to the Noah Jenner show.

1:27:16 I figured the NA Meetup attendees can put their No Agenda shirts on and join me on the Las Vegas Strip to hand out CDs to passerbys. Planned Parenthood style. I want photos. Yes. We gotta put this in the newsletter. Planned Parenthood style. I like that. If you do this, I want pictures in the newsletter. It should be the No Agenda face-to-face marketing team. And when someone walks by, you stick out your hand and go, hi! In the morning. In the morning, stick your hand out. Real lemon. Sir Ramsey Kane. That would be the way to do it. Who ends with his hail apple. Thank you very much, Sir Ramsey. You are a true gentleman amongst the sirs. Of course while you're out there, you might as well do the very important work of... Our formula is this. We go out, we hit people in the mouth. I, Adam Curry, am as of today, officially,

1:28:24 Officially announcing my full support my endorsement my coveted endorsement And you know that my endorsement is coveted. I didn't know that it is my coveted endorsement for Donald Trump for a Republican Candidate for the presidency of the United States of America well I Will say that I would like to see Donald Trump continue his quest because I have a lot of clips so do I And I want to make sure that he gets his fair share of a... because I don't think they're giving him enough attention. He's got good things, he's got good ideas. Now the irony of Donald Trump that I think a lot of people... Can I just say one thing? You just kind of step over my announcement like it's nothing. This is a big deal. As far as I know, I am the first media personality to endorse Donald Trump for president. I will go as far. I will say that I want this guy to be president so bad. I will register as a Republican.

1:29:26 Is that...do I have to? Can I vote for him just as an independent? I'm registered independent. It depends on the way your state's...if you're an independent, the states all do things differently. For example, in California, when I go to vote in a primary as an independent, I am given the choice of taking the independent ballot, which has got nobody on it, or the Democrat ballot. The Republican Party in California has refused to let the independents vote on their ticket. So, you have to find out what the rules are in your state. Generally speaking, Republicans are more fearful. The independents are troublemakers. I am voting for Donald Trump. I think this guy is exactly what we need.

1:30:07 He is saying all the right... he is in fact... I know you have a clip, I know you have clips, I just wanted to play one clip to start off with and I'll get to mine after that, since I announced the topic. He is all in, all in, John, on your theory for the Middle East. So this is why he has, he will be, he will receive so much support because this is exactly what the military industrial complex, the big oil complex, what all these guys want is Donald Trump's message. I want to ask you about ISIS. You said nobody would be tougher on ISIS than Donald Trump. Nobody. Specifically, what would be your strategy? The situation with ISIS has to be dealt firmly and strongly. When you have people being beheaded, I would

1:30:48 I would love not to be over there. That's not our fight. That's other people's fights. That's a revolution. That's whatever you want to call it. Religious wars. I would do things that would be so tough that I don't even know if they'd be around to come to the table. What sort of things though? I would take away their wealth. I would take away the oil. What you should be doing now is taking away the oil. What does that mean? Bomb the hell out of them. And I'll tell you what I hate about this question. If I win, if I win, I didn't want to answer this question and I thought maybe I could go without answering it because if you look at the great General George Patton or General MacArthur who I was a big fan of or any of these great generals, they didn't talk about what they did. And I said I hate to, in fact if you remember when I said I have a plan but I don't want to talk about it, the problem is everyone said oh he really doesn't have a plan. Okay, so I had to do it.

1:31:38 But I hate talking about it because if I win, they know I'm going to do it. If I win, I would attack those oil sites that are controlled and owned by ISIS. They're taking tremendous money out. They are renovating a hotel in Iraq. Can you believe it? But wouldn't you be destroying the wealth of Iraq? No, no, let me get there. There is no Iraq. There is no Iraq. I think that's he's very smart what he's saying about this. There are no Iraqis. They've broken up into so many different factions. And I don't think bombing Iraqi oil fields, which are now the control of ISIS, but bombing Iraqi oil fields is going to anger huge numbers of people. I would bomb the hell out of those oil fields. I wouldn't send many troops because you won't need them by the time I got finished. I'd bomb the hell out of the oil fields. I'd then get Exxon. I'd then

1:32:25 get these great oil companies to go in, they would rebuild them so fast your head will spin. You ever see how fast they put up rigs? These guys are unbelievable. So I'd go Exxon Mobil, I'd go to the top five oil companies, they'd be in there, they'd be finished so fast. Don't you need US troops to protect the oil companies? Yes, you put a ring around them. You put a ring. You just take it all of the wealth away. This is what should be done. But no politician's gonna do that. Bomb them, bomb them, and bomb them again. Ladies and gentlemen, it is time to rubble ice! Love this guy. Well, they're out to get him. Yeah, because he's talking sense and people are enjoying it. They're enjoying it. They're enjoying it. And the thing that was the big, you know, every time...

1:33:16 He says something that all these pundits go, oh, well, that's it. He's done. We've seen peak Trump. His numbers go up. That's a good one. Write that down. Peak Trump. Peak Trump. Yeah. Every single time he says something, oh, well, the evangelicals will hate him now. No. Yeah, because he's... In fact, one of the pollsters came on and says he can't win because he's not an evangelical, because apparently if you're a Republican, you have to be. And you can't ring because he's irked all the veterans because he condemned McCain, who we've always believed is a douchebag, he's a warmonger. You know what's funny about the McCain thing? So Donald Trump said he's not a war hero, he got captured. He was captured, right? Yeah. And everyone's, oh, what an a-hole, boy, this guy. And even here, in fact, most of this is left

1:34:09 Left media, leftist media, Democrat, Democrunt. They're all saying, oh, what a horrible thing to say. Yet, when Chris Rock says it, it's funny. McCain just got that old story. This motherfucker been telling the same story for 40 fucking years. He a war hero. He a war hero. He a war hero that got captured. There's a lot of guys in jail that got captured. Shit. Exactly. And they're all going wild. Woo! And Donald Trump says it, what an a-hole. What a douchebag. Come on people, you're full of it. So let's listen to CNN International on Trump.

1:35:01 CNN International. Yowza, yowza. But it's into everybody's collective consciousness and in a way I actually see this as a positive thing because I think this is really the beginning of the end of Donald Trump. What we saw this morning on CNN, Chris Cuomo did something remarkable. He asked about substantive policy issues on the Veterans Administration and the reform that we need there. Donald Trump's spokesman was unable to answer any of those questions because they don't have answers. on anything that's substantive. He's not a candidate, he's more of a professional wrestler trying to evoke and elicit a reaction from the crowd, provoke a reaction from the crowd, and that's what he's doing so far. Did you notice that Huffington Post puts all Donald Trump news on the entertainment section of the website? Yeah, very funny. I'll tell you, I'm a little disappointed. What? That's subjective coverage. Of course, of course. And I looked at his financials, 92 pages of his holdings,

1:35:52 He's building a hotel in Baku, now Azerbaijan. Oh, okay. We know who's going to be winning if he's president. We will. America. The folks on the King's Road and Canary Wharf has as much exposure to Donald Trump. I was hoping they'd be luckier than we were. No, well, let me tell you, he is known also because the US version of The Apprentice aired here in the UK, I was told. And of course, he's known because he makes himself known. He's active on Twitter. He says controversial things. But you tweeted something, Doug. Understand how Trump can hurt the GOP field, but why not a media that privately laughs at Trump yet covers him ad nauseum? But you have to cover the candidate who's leading in the polls, don't you? I mean, Trump's at 18% in the latest Fox News poll.

1:36:41 No, absolutely. It certainly warrants coverage. What I've found troubling is when you're in newsrooms, you'll talk to people who, you know, don't take it seriously and then cover it, then ask the question, then ask the next question. And what we've seen in, you know, appearing with you right now, I'm obviously guilty of it too. What we've seen is just an exhaustive coverage of this. all Trump all the time. So if you're Marco Rubio and you gave an education speech in Chicago a couple weeks ago, that didn't get any attention as it should have. If you're Rick Perry and you spoke on race right as the Confederate flag issue was really heated up in South Carolina, that didn't get the attention it deserved. And so what we're losing is the real substantive issues that voters need to learn about because we're hearing nothing but bluster and insults from one part of a sideshow.

1:37:27 Here, and now I'll do a clip. This is all from his, uh, Anderson Pooper interviewed him. And it was, I found it to be a fantastic interview. This is the Trump is you just gotta appreciate this guy from a knowage and a standpoint when he says this You keep bringing up negative you only want to talk about negative why don't you bring up the positive? You start off the interview with a poll that I didn't even know I started off with a Washington Post all intentionally All I know is every poll I'm leading in and you give me these two polls where it's different states. They're not even a national... You'll check the record. I started off with the Washington Post poll where you are way out in front. I think it's very unfair. You're talking to me about a poll I never even saw you...

1:38:12 today it's a it's not even a poll. It's on three different states and you're hitting me with this and I think it's a very frankly I think it's a very fair question. I think it's an extremely you start off the interview with that you don't say I led in the Fox poll I'm leading in the ABC Washington Post poll. You're leading across the board. Well you did I am leading across the board and then you hit me with this poll that I didn't even see before where oh gee it's not even that kind of a poll all I know is I have a very big And I think one of the reasons is that, let me tell you, the people don't trust you and the people don't trust the media. And I understand why. I love how Anderson goes, right. The people don't trust you. He said, right. He said, right. You know, I've always been covered fairly accurately because it was usually a financial press. I can't believe Cooper said, right. Was he even listening? The people don't trust you, Anderson Cooper. I love that. Come on. This guy is great.

1:39:08 This guy's, you know what, this guy hits your Putin Snowden meme even. Here it comes, you know, the previous guy mentioned Rubio, so let's mention Rubio who's all in on Trump hating and Rubio just seems like such a little weenie when he does this. It's like Cruz at least, you know, Cruz seems to have a clue. Yeah, he smiles and he's out. He says, I don't, I'm not saying nothing. Right. But no, Rubio has been sent in as a hit man. That's a double negative. Well, that would be Cruz. Does he say I'm not saying nothing? I'm not saying nothing. I didn't know. Didn't realize. So this is Rubio one. This is because this is Rubio one. And this is him. Yeah, I think he's seated down. He just doesn't seem presidential in any way. And he just and this play it. Joining us now, Senator Marco Rubio, Republican from Florida, 2016. This is this is this is a two box. He's not sitting down in this one.

1:40:05 Thanks for clarifying. It's important for the audio that you know it's a it's a two box. It's a twofer. Joining us now Senator Marco Rubio, Republican from Florida, 2016 nominee. Thank you so much for joining us, Senator. I know you've heard these comments from Donald Trump. Governor Perry says these comments disqualify Trump to be commander-in-chief. Do you agree? I do agree. This is not just an insult to John McCain who clearly is a war hero and a great man, but it's an insult to all POWs, to all men and women who have served us in uniform. That's not- They'll do anything. They're so afraid of this guy. It's not an insult to all war heroes. Of course not. This is- No. But they'll do anything. They're so afraid of this guy. I love

1:40:44 have been captured in battle and this somehow makes the assumption or he's saying that somehow if you're captured in battle you're less worthy of honors than someone who isn't. It's not just absurd, it's offensive, it's ridiculous. And I do think it is a disqualifier as commander. How's it disqualifying? That's disqualifying. Is it in the Constitution? This guy's a big constitutionalist? Oh, I'm a big constitutionalist. And now this is disqualifying. And when Chris Rock says that it's okay and hilarious, but when Donald Trump says it, it's disqualifying to be president. Please. So now here's the other one. This is the one that got me the most. This is Rubio. This is number two. And they bring Hillary in.

1:41:23 Now some Democrats, including Hillary Clinton, have criticized you and your fellow Republican candidates for not speaking out more forcefully and more quickly after Trump's comments about undocumented immigrants. They wonder why this firestorm about McCain and not a firestorm about Mexicans. Well there was. I spoke out against what Donald Trump said. Okay, so that was a... I cut it short because that's what all I wanted to... The point I wanted to make is, why doesn't he say, what business is it of Hillary's? Why are we responding to what Hillary says? When did Hillary define the debate? What's Hillary got to do with it? That is a disqualifying statement right there. You can't run on the Republican ticket if you're allowing your entire messaging to be hijacked by a Democrat. Yeah. No way.

1:42:12 I know he's right into it. Now the thing I noticed about him, I had a bunch of clips of Rubio, he's just a weenie, he's horrible. I had a lot of respect for him when he ran as a tea party guy, now I've lost all respect for him. I think he's a complete loser. He shouldn't even be running, he just acts like a kid. When he goes on camera, They have the two shot, they have the two box, and he's over there sitting there with a really forced smile. Some consultant told him to smile more, because the consultants, if you go work with any media consultants, they always tell you to do this. Which Trump doesn't use, by the way. No, he uses no consultants. And that's why people like him. So the consultants, any media consultant working with any...and they always hire him at every operation. The thing is, you're not smiling enough. You don't look like you wanna be here. In my case, it was always, yeah, I don't.

1:43:00 Well you should make fake it and smile more. You should be smiling. Which is, before you continue, which is exactly why I think people, one of the reasons why people like the No Agenda show is we just are not politically correct. And these guys are managed, they're styled, they're coifed, and they're incredibly politically correct because they believe for some reason the American people are, well of course they are brainwashed into being this way, but underneath it, underneath all of that, we want to fucking win. We want to win the world. And Donald Trump is the man who can take us there.

1:43:38 Anyway, it's never gonna end. This is gonna go on for months, ladies and gentlemen. parking lot under the ground. I don't think he's afraid of it. I don't think he gives a crap. We'll see. Ross Perot wasn't either. All right. So here's another short, short clip of Rubio because I just wanted to point something out which bugs me. Rubio, because this is a part of something you brought up after the show. Yes. After the show, which was

1:44:14 The use of, and you see this on all these little podcasts. Tech horny podcasts. And I, it happens at the dinner table in everybody's house when if you have kids, especially if they're around 12 years old, where you want to get into the conversations, I think, well, I think Apple's going to do this. I think, I think, I think, I think Apple should have bought, bought Oculus Rift before Facebook. And I think, I think, I, hi, I'm film girl. I think, Sorry, I had to say it. Now you're bringing scurrilous remarks and aiming at people. I'm sorry. But I think, I think, I think, I think, I think, I think, I think, is crap.

1:44:53 And here is Rubio, he is one of these people. And I'll tell you how, I'm gonna, he's gonna, here's, you're gonna, he's preface him with, I think I'm gonna tell you how he should have said it if he's had any qualifications to be president in terms of his, his leadership abilities. Sanctions, is it not possible that this is simply the best deal any American president could have gotten? No, I don't think that's true. I think that the sanctions are actually forcing Iran to the table. I think we should have asked for a lot more. This deal violates promises the president made to the American people on multiple fronts. It is not an anytime, anywhere inspection system. It is an inspection process that will require arbitration. We need to come up with a no agenda response when people are doing this I think thing.

1:45:37 Now the thing about this, if you play that again, it just ended after the second time he says I think. Of sanctions, is it not possible that this is simply the best deal any American president could have gotten? No, I don't think that's true. I think that the sanctions are actually forcing Iran to the table. I think we should have asked for a lot more. This sanction violation, this, this, That's good. If he had removed the two I thinks, it would have been fine. Yeah. No, there's no good. We could have done this and that. And I, and I, I think I've paid attention to our usage and we sometimes use this and we're just as guilty, but everybody uses it. It's a bad habit. And well, I don't know if you are an expert on some things, for instance, I believe I am an expert on aviation. So when I say, I think this is what happened, then that is reasonably credible.

1:46:30 But what we typically do on the show, and I've paid attention to it, is we'll say, Obama should have done this. Or, you know, Mufant guy should have thought, considered this. But when you say, I think, who gives a shit? I don't care what you think. You are no expert in the material. And this has to stop in general, in certainly tech-horny podcasts. Because it's annoying, it's boring, it's boring. We don't care what you think. You have no standing. You're a reporter. Reporters report. You don't think. Well, technically, you're right. Here is the future president speaking to Snowden. By the way, can I interrupt you right there? Of course. You know my theories about the economic cycles and the way things work out. I do. The guy who makes the biggest splash and doesn't get anywhere in this

1:47:26 cycle, which would be 2016, is the guy who becomes president in 2020. That's fine. That's what happened to Reagan. That's what happened to Franklin Roosevelt. That's what happened to... I can name more. And Reagan, I remember that when Reagan was running and I was in the Netherlands... In 76? Yeah. Okay. The world was full of scorn. An actor! An actor! An actor, now he is heralded as the godfather of the modern Republican party. Yeah, hilarious. But he is all in, almost all in on Putin and your thoughts on that. He's much more aligned with you than you think, John. But you can't say I think. Former Attorney General Holder just the other day said perhaps some sort of plea deal could be in the works.

1:48:14 He also said that Snowden spurred a necessary debate. What would you do about Snowden? I think he's a total traitor and I would deal with him harshly. And if I were president, Putin would give him over. I would get along with Putin. I've dealt with Russia. Putin hates... I think I'd get along with him fine. I think he'd be absolutely fine. He would never keep somebody like Snowden in Russia. He hates Obama. He doesn't respect Obama. Obama doesn't like him either. But he has no respect for Obama, has a hatred for Obama, and Snowden is living the life. Look, if I'm president, Putin says, hey, boom, you're gone. I guarantee you that. You know, I believe it. How is this anything like my way of thinking? Well, it's about Snowden.

1:48:59 It's about Snowden and that he would get along very well. But I like that our future president, whether it's 2016 or 2020, will get along just fine with Putin and I believe it. I believe it. Now here's the thing, this part of this interview, I think I think hones in on what a lot of people really like about the way he is running his campaign. I'm doing this for the good of the country. Somebody has to do it. Politicians are never going to turn this country around. Our country's a mess. The politicians are going to destroy this country. They're weak and they're ineffective. I love that. He uses this a lot. Weak. They're weak. Every opponent, what do you think of him? He's weak.

1:49:38 just weak. It's a great, it's a fantastic, and it's also, it's all lines he's used in The Apprentice. You know, you're weak, you're just weak. And when you say to someone you're weak, but how do you come? What is the comeback? I'm strong. No, no, you're weak. It's very powerful and they're controlled by the lobbyists of the special interest. So well, I don't have no idea You talked about the lobbyists in the special interest though You and I talked last time you've given a lot of money to politicians over there to give to Democrats Aren't you part of the problem? I would absolutely 100% Absolutely. I was on the other side. They will do whatever

1:50:14 I want up until you decide to run. So isn't that hypocritical to say oh this is a problem but I'm gonna make the most of this problem? It's called playing the game. I was a businessman. I made a fortune. I made a lot of money. I posted over 10 billion dollars. So in order to make money it's okay to play the game? Well it's called your life. I mean I'm a businessman and I contribute to people and they treat me nicely and everything else. So how do you change that? How do you change that culture of money for access? Look I just read an article where Bush is meeting with all all these lobbyists in Washington. As a meeting with all these lobbyists, every one of those lobbyists that gives money, they expect something for it. And that's a bad thing. Don't you have lobbyists though? Absolutely. I've had lobbyists and I've had some very good ones. They could do anything. They can take a politician and have him jump off this ledge. This guy is

1:51:00 This guy is great! Can you actually change that culture of corruption? Well, you can in the sense that the tough person can't be bought. I'm worth far too much money. I don't need anybody's money. I'm not running with anybody's money. I'm spending my own money. But the lobbyists, they totally control these politicians. Just take a look. In one of the articles, very recently, I see Bush with the lobbyists and he's sitting there with all of these people. Good work, reiterate the message. Telling them what to do, like a little puppet. And the same with Hillary and the same with everybody else. Now, when I'm in business, I'm part of that game. When I'm in this, I now know. Can you jump back and forth though? Yes, Anderson, it's possible, dick. I am able to do that, but I'm not able to do that.

1:51:44 I'm going to do, I've made a lot of money. I've heard. So I've heard. I don't need money. And I don't need money to run. I don't need $5,000 here, $10,000. These guys are desperate for money. I don't need it. I'm going to do what's right for the country. This is the guy that America wants. The problem he has right now is he, it's just politically incorrect to say, you can say, well, I like what he's saying, but I don't want that clown in the White House. Well, yeah, he's some valid points, but he's a sideshow. This would be perfect for 2020 because he won't get in.

1:52:34 he doesn't got a prayer, he won't get nominated, he'll make a big splash, make a big scene, he's not spending a lot of money. I don't see any ads. No, he's not. He doesn't have to right now. I don't think he's spending anything, so it's not like it's just to travel. No. And here's another important reason why I would like him to be president, and why I am endorsing him early. Because I see a role for us in this, John. This is the kind of guy who's going to say, yeah, those no agenda guys, bring them in. And first of all, we'd be in. I know we can get a meeting with the guy. He'll like us. And then we can be like, yeah, we can be, I, we can be CTO of the country, or maybe we get an ambassadorship.

1:53:19 Ambassadorship to France. There you go. I'll make it done. Consider it done. It's kind of well, the Skype connection might suck for the show from France. Well, maybe not from the embassy. But he really hits all the points at some point. And you're right, of course, I'm going to say I'm not going to argue your cycle theory because that's how cycle theory. How can you argue? I mean, come on. Are you? I can give you. I'm not going to argue it. I like it. Maybe it's 2020, but there's going to be some meme, some way that someone says something that makes it politically correct to actually endorse Donald Trump. That is what he needs to happen. Not gonna happen. Well, that's fine. Just let me ramble. I'm endorsing someone for president. Who are you gonna endorse?

1:54:05 Diane Keaton Warren, what's her name? I'm endorsing Diane Keaton. I don't know her president. I'm on drugs. Here is the final bit from this interview and people will like this. One thing about me, I wouldn't be on planes doing all these fundraisers. If you're gonna have fundraisers, maybe you do them someplace else. I mean, the other night in New York, New York was shut down because Obama's here. to go to a Broadway play. He's here to... You know, when you're in the White House for a limited period of time, I'd be there all the time, working. Working. The difference? I wouldn't even have time to comb my hair the way I comb it. I'd probably just have to comb it back. See? Self-deprecating humor. Yeah. Very nice. I'm telling you. I endorse Donald Trump for president, and people would love him.

1:54:56 Let's play a couple last, I think I have one last one that's pretty much another. This is the peculiar, this is another slam. CNN, I mean, I'm surprised. Anderson probably got a lot of flack for this interview because it made, because Trump took it over. He took over. He owned him. And Trump does something very, very cool. When a reporter tries to interrupt him, he says, excuse me. And people shut up. It's really interesting to watch. He does it in a very abrupt way that works. It's a technique he learned somewhere, in meetings probably, in business meetings. But he, yeah, and what he does, I've seen him do this a couple times, he does excuse me, and then he starts to talk as though if you're saying anything, he is not listening. He is going on and you have to stop. And if you're an interviewer, that's what you're trained to do anyway. The only people that can really stop it would be people yelling back at him.

1:55:54 And they're not interviewing him then, they're just debating him. And I think it may be different with the... I don't know, I'm thinking of Perry. Perry's too... I think I... See, the thing he's already got in my brain is Perry needs to take an IQ test. He's got these memes he's dropped in there, like bombs. I mean, Perry hasn't got a prayer now after the... He should take an IQ test. Oh, none of them have a prayer. This guy is... I know the American people. We like bombing people. We like being the big bully. We pretend we don't. Yeah, Jeb Bush is gonna win it. Okay, let's play this it because they're just gonna be relentless and they're gonna there's meetings going you can be sure of this anyone listening to this and at any time you're listening there are meetings

1:56:38 Right now in New York, Washington and elsewhere, what are we gonna do about this guy? Make him president. Why not just let him win? They're getting paid not to make him president. That's what these meetings are about. These are not meetings of people that wanna elect him. These are lobbyists and I would think, not I think, but I would think that the lobbyists will take money from other people. Look, the smart money is going to say, you know what? Let's go with this guy. Let's run with him. He's on our side. You're nuts. All right. Let's play peculiar CNN slam on Trump. Did you see this week he filed his financial information with the government? This is a precursor to him trying to get into the GOP debates beginning next month.

1:57:21 Also, obviously, a precursor to really running for president. And the financial information that he released in a press release, we haven't actually seen the filing yet, but the press release said he was paid $213 million to host The Apprentice in the 14 seasons that he was with the show. Does that sound crazy to you? Is that possible? Can someone get paid $213 million to host a reality TV show? it seems unlikely doesn't it brian i i i don't know uh... i'm not sure jerry seinfeld was getting that much money in the heyday so Yeah, side show. That's the side show. This is bullcrap. Hold on a second. This is the kind of thing we get from these reporters. They can't do the math. And this is the media show on CNN. And this is the media, yeah, this is the media show. That means Trump is getting on a primetime show that is enough of a hit that it stays on the air. They would not keep it on the air if it wasn't. And they're paying him what you would pay a guy like this.

1:58:15 And this is actually low. This is 14. What's his rating point? Is it 14 million viewers? He's getting $14 million for this season. $14 million for a season is nothing, but the people that work on the Today Show get $14 million. Yeah, exactly. Seinfeld and his... I'm not sure Seinfeld and his heyday was... Seinfeld, who's doing 26 shows or more a year... And repeats. ...was getting $1 million a show. Yeah, syndication. No. on the network. Yeah, but he also made money on the syndication. Oh, he's making millions on syndication because he's getting something like 50% of syndication fees. So he was making $26 million right off the top, which is almost twice as much as Trump. So these guys are just lying.

1:59:02 Yeah, well of course they're lying. Or they don't know what they're talking about. So why are they on the air? Well, there's that. Do the math. Do some calculations. Now you're just pissed that they're making all this money talking shit. Now, one other reason why I'm endorsing Trump. Melania Trump. Oh yeah. Wow. That could be our first lady. Please. Oh man. Anyway, when I'm invited, I'm going to say, oh, don't invite that guy. He was against you. That would be you, John.

1:59:42 I wasn't against him. I predicted it would be... I'm not worried about it. Let's put it that way. You will be when I'm banging in the Lincoln bedroom. So now they're so hard up, they're so hard up, first they got a Rupert Murdoch clip, which Trump has been having a feud with for a while. So they repeat a Rupert Murdoch clip and then they read a Charlie Sheen tweet about Trump as though this is important. And which clip is this? This is Charlie Sheen. I'm sorry. I don't see... oh, yes. Sorry, got it. And not only has Trump lost Murdoch, listen to this. Trump, you're a shame pile of idiocy. That was a tweet from Charlie Sheen. The bastion of truth on all things politic. Yeah. What got me about this is they didn't read his tweet. They read the last line of it, so I wrote it down. Oh, good. Good work. It was actually really funny. Good work. Ready? Yeah. Trump, you're a sad and silly humunculus. A what?

2:00:41 Your work is- it means a very small person. Uh, I had to look it up too. Your work- your work is as poignant as a sack of cat farts. They should have read that. That's lame. You're a shame pile of... It is idiocy. A shame pile. I don't know what that means. But, okay, so that's how hard they are. Well, first I will say only on the No Agenda show will you get the full Charlie Sheen quote. Exactly. Only on the No Agenda show. So I'm listening to another debate... Cat farts. Write down cat farts, will ya? Cat farts? Just the idea of a cat fart. I like the idea.

2:01:23 So, I'm listening to this thing and they're going on and I thought the whole thing was summarized. This is the, what is this? I want to, oh yeah, this is the clip says I won't be watching. They had a bunch of people arguing about why Trump should be on the debate or who's not gonna be on the debate and all this. They were about to debate. So, these guys are all the political analysts for the, I believe this was CNN, including this old fart. Who I can't, I didn't write his name down, but he's just, you've seen him a million times. And he just hates Trump. And now I'm, I just want you to listen to his comment at the very end. It's a very short clip. I only clipped the end. This is a guy whose job it is to inform the public about things. And this is his attitude about the Republican debate if Trump's in it. Stance of debate. So they've come up with this system where they,

2:02:10 are gonna average the most recent five polls to pick the top candidates and those are the ones on the debate. I won't be watching, thank you. I won't be watching, thank you. Because he's a clown. You can't watch Trump because he's not serious. People, listen, people love winners in America. Why are we all allowed to like the biggest, richest, most pompous asshole in entertainment being Jay-Z? And we all love Jay-Z and he's got Beyonce as his wife. But yet we all have to make jokes about Donald Trump, who has a hotter wife than Beyonce and more money and is more pompous. He's definitely more pompous. But here's the irony. Because the truth is America actually loves this kind of person.

2:02:55 I believe you're right on that. And here's the irony of Trump. especially amongst the Republicans. All we've heard since I was a kid, oh, we need more businessmen to run for office. We need more businessmen to run the government. We don't have enough businessmen. They don't think like businessmen. So you got this guy who is the ultimate businessman. He's successful in business. He's got huge skyscrapers, Trump Tower among them. He rebuilt the old Biltmore and put in the Grand Central Hyatt. Hot children. He's got great looking family, big family, a very successful family, none of them have been involved in drugs or anything like that. He's a Presbyterian. He's got media experience, he's been on the television, so he's like Reagan in that regard. He knows how to play through the camera. He doesn't have a bunch of handlers. He's got everything that they've been bitching that they want.

2:03:46 Yes, and now he's here and now they're afraid because they have no control of him. Particularly the media has zero control and that's why you're seeing this take place. And I love it. Yeah, we got that impression. But let's segue into what is going on in the other half of the culture, which is denying what you're talking about. Okay. Which is the self-esteem movement. And what is... Wait, there's a movement? Well, we'll talk about it. It's in the clips. I probably clipped too many clips, but there's so... Could I suggest something? Just a programming note? Yeah. Could I suggest we tease this and move it to the D block? That's actually the F block you're talking about.

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2:11:42 Yeah, which one though? Well I gotta go back and look. It was right at the beginning of the show, I can figure it out. Because I think this is a mistake. Well anyway, you take- Well we do have the Seymour's okay, there's the one that- Patrick Seymour- I think it's isn't it Sir Tim? Sir Tim Saunders, he becomes Sir Tim of the map of Tassie? Yes, that I believe is it. So that is not a knighting per se? No, that's not a knighting. It's a name change. But he's the only one. Title change, actually. Title change. Okay, well good. Then let me get my sword and you can get yours out. Meanwhile, hello, sword.

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2:14:02 Where John is going to discuss I think something very important, which is the well here steam movement, okay? Now I have over clipped. This is a lot of clips. I try to listen to it does self-esteem movement I've over clipped us a little bit. This is from one of my favorite shows which I just think is a great show It's a it's called a real sports with Brian Gumbel. Yeah, I It's something I would never watch.

2:14:40 And so they stumbled across this story on the self-esteem problem, and it begins with this interesting premise, which we're ruining our children, and we know this, and it began in the 1980s with the self-esteem movement. But let's start with the premise of the whole little bit that they do with self-esteem one. It's the final day of the season at a youth sports league outside Tampa, Florida. And while you may think you're just looking at kids playing games, you're actually looking at a lot more. Nothing less, in fact, than a seismic shift in American culture. Is everybody ready for some trophies?

2:15:19 A culture that miraculously produces nothing but winners. How many kids do you have out here today? About 650. And how many kids will get trophies? All 650. You think this is a good idea? We think it's a great idea. Way to go! Good job! Brian Sanders is the president of I-9 Sports, which runs more than a thousand youth leagues across the United States. This is the division champion trophy. Correct. And this is the All-Star trophy. Can I assume the All-Star trophy is the one given to everybody who's not a champion? Yes. Why is it necessary to call them All-Stars? It's to make them feel special and help them understand that by participating, being part of the team, by completing the season, they are a star. Special is a key word. I've heard that a lot. Yeah, we want to make each child feel special. Oh, there's no winning.

2:16:15 We don't like to foster a competitive atmosphere, but we laugh a lot. Now everyone hug and share a secret. It actually gets worse than that joke clip you just played. Oh man, really? This is great! I love this, John. The self-esteem movement. I didn't know that this was actually... Oh, this was actually... it's explained later when they do a little retrospective on when it began in the 1980s with a clip from an old film they were showing in California. Because California is the center of this thing. But it's all over now. I mean, that was in Tampa, Florida. The whole country's been plagued by this. And as we go through the six clips, you're going to find it gets more sickening each clip, but let's play self-esteem too. This isn't even a trophy for effort or trying. It's a trophy for participation. It sets the bar pretty low. Gene Twenge is a psychology professor at San Diego State University who says America's trophy culture is actually hurting our kids. It seems so harmless.

2:17:12 Little Johnny got a trophy. Yeah, he made 22 errors, you know, and he batted zero and the team finished last. Give the kid a trophy. To which you say? To which I say give the kid a hug and let's practice more and figure out how not to make so many errors. But a trophy puts what in his head? A trophy puts in his head that whatever he did was good enough. even when it clearly wasn't. And that's not how the real world works. So you're saying this is bigger than Little League? Yes, and it's an issue of the culture changing. That change in America's culture started a generation ago, when educators started to be influenced by trends in psychology. And the big new idea was something called the self-esteem movement.

2:18:00 Good self-esteem is as important as good nutrition, good health, and in my view, more important than making good grades. Researcher Ashley Merriman has written extensively about the movement. The state of California had a task force in the 1980s to study self-esteem. And we thought, especially for kids in struggling communities, if we just told them they were great. They would believe it and then they could achieve more because they were certain they were great. And sports, little league coaches, teachers, anyone working with kids said, well, how do we build kids' self-esteem? Well, we give them stickers that say, you're great. And we'll give them a trophy and we'll give them a medal. But you're saying there's just one thing wrong with this theory. None of it works. Yeah. I will say, when I was in fifth grade,

2:18:48 There was a sports day and for some reason, there was a period in my life around when the fifth grade, I was pretty decent at high jump. And I'm not an athletic guy at all. Well, except for my spin class now. But, and I recall that I got pretty far. I did okay. And then I think I tripped or something stupid like that. Tripped. I tripped and skinned my elbows. My elbow. I was going to do the high jump, but then I, big massive fail. And I was disappointed, and I do recall they had what they called the Poodle Prize. This is a Dutchism. The Poodle Prize, which... what would that be? The Booby Prize, maybe? Yeah, the Booby Prize. They don't do the Booby Prize anymore. That's another point that wasn't made in this piece. And I liked the Booby Prize because it was one, it was a yellow ribbon, it wasn't red or blue or white, it was a yellow ribbon, and it said, you know, like, Booby Prize.

2:19:38 And I felt good, but it was just one. They had to choose who had tried the hardest or showed some excellence and was just an awkward doofus. And I think it actually... And I remember this and I think that that did help my self-esteem. But it was just one, not for everybody. And it make you a better high jumper, is the question. Of course not. The thing is, you know, there are arguments can be made that, well, these kids are well, you'll actually the arguments made better in the clips than I can say. So let's start go to this self-esteem clip three. Everybody gets a trophy every single time.

2:20:20 What's the point? Merriman says by creating the illusion of success for children, by making them feel so special, the self-esteem movement has failed to teach them how to actually succeed. To Merriman, losing is good for you. All those trophies? Not so much. I hate everybody gets a trophy programs. You make it sound like it's a felony to give a seven-year-old a trophy. Why are you such a grinch about this? I want kids to improve and I want kids to be engaged in the process of improving. And if they get a trophy they won't want to improve? Why would they? Why do they need to? You've already given them a trophy. You've made them be a winner. Now the kids in college.

2:21:06 And he gets a C because that's what he deserves. What happens? Well, often they freak out. Freak out? Yeah. Well, they don't believe it. Something's wrong. That teacher must be out for me because he doesn't know how great I am. And the reason they can... Nice vocal fry on that chick, by the way. Yeah. It thinks he's great. It's because we told him that. By giving him trophies. His whole life. It's saying, you're special. Here's your 17th place medal. And they make 17th place ribbons now. No. Oh yeah. Oh yeah. Turns out all those trophies and all the praise don't lead to achievement.

2:21:44 They often lead to delusion. Take those college students. Studies show that these days they believe they're much smarter than they actually are. The percentage of college students who think they're above average in academic ability has gone way up. Over a time period when actual performance is either unchanged or down so that again wait So so their ability is either stay the same from let's say the 60s till exactly yep, or it actually went down But when you ask them what they think of themselves they say I'm fantastic Yeah, this is great now I want to mention something here and of course interrupting it every so often like this get away with a large lifting

2:22:30 of other material. But this is already, since it started in the 80s, and those are people that were, you know, graduating shortly thereafter often. These are the people...this is noodle boy. This is the people we bitch about on this show constantly. My wife complains about these people. They're lousy workers. And then they don't understand, they can't take criticism. This is the biggest thing. You run into these, a lot of people, our kids, a lot of people under the age of 30 or so, they can't take criticism. Well, worse when they're not at home after they, you know, they move out when they're 31.

2:23:10 they can't function. It's everything's unfair. And that guy's a douche and doesn't do did not have to be I tried my best. Yet they have their code on at five to five. They come in at 903. I know, I know. Yeah, they always come in late. In fact, you used to you didn't bitch about it. You always said you're over in MeVie. I observed this. I'm always making book on stuff. You would always talk about how Ron hated everyone coming, always comes in late at the operation. Not everyone, I mean, with their coders and they're crazy. Yeah, okay, that can happen. You stood outside once and would watch people come in with the clock in your hand. That's right. I said, good morning. You're 45 minutes late. Yeah, you would do that. And they wouldn't take, oh, that's yeah. Okay, thanks. Thanks for the update. Nobody cared. So let's play this one. Well, there's that.

2:23:58 That was my authority. My authority was tremendous. Self-esteem four. Let's go on. A recent survey revealed that a third of college students say they deserve at least a grade of B if they simply attended most classes in a course. But if you think today's college kids are pleased with themselves, wait until you meet the generation coming up. Preschoolers sometimes now sing a song to the tune of Fair Jacques that goes like this. I am special, I am special. Look at me, look at me. Oh God, we're doomed. We need Donald Trump.

2:24:39 I don't know what's going to happen to us with this group coming up that sings that song. This is bad, man. This is very bad. I'm glad that this was aired and it was done on a sports show that nobody ever watched. Sports guys watch that show, but the public, no. Which is a shame because this is really an outstanding product that Gumbel put together. I agree. The thing about this, I've been wanting to do this, like my educational thing I've been wanting to do. I've been wanting... It's just like... This is what happened. Someone told you you're great. John, you're great. And then you said, yeah, I'm so great. I don't know how I can just promise this stuff for decades and never deliver. Here it comes. Yeah. Where is it? Somebody else did it, but it gets done.

2:25:22 But this is the show, I couldn't have done it this well because he's out there in the field getting all these great quotes that I, you know, we don't do that sort of thing on this show. But this is just like outrageous. So let's play. This is the fun. This is a funny one that was near the end of the presentation. This is self-esteem. What parents want. Half million kids nationwide. A few years ago, she did the unthinkable. She suggested that not everyone should get a trophy. We used to give trophies all the way up to the 19 year olds. Wait a second, are you telling me 19 year olds who are on the last place team got trophies because you were afraid of hurting their feelings? Well, it was just something that was always done. Anderson decided that at least the older kids should actually have to win to get a trophy. And that's when the fun really started. Some parents went out and bought their own.

2:26:13 own trophies for the kit for the whole team. In fact, we have some parents went out and bought trophies because you weren't giving them trophies anymore. They hate you. They must have. They were pretty angry. Yes. And I thought that we were crushing the dreams of the little athletes. Yes. Every fall, Anderson reluctantly still puts in an order for her eight and under kids. 1200 trophies in all. They get trophies for showing up? Yes, or not showing up. What do you mean for not showing up? Regardless of if their name is on the team, on the roster, they get a trophy. Oh, and there's one more thing. We don't keep score. You don't keep score either? No. Hold on. I want to make sure I understand this before I faint. You don't keep score in the games? No. And they get a trophy on top of that. What are you raising here?

2:27:13 But it's what the parents want. Less than 10 minutes to go! Just letting you know. And his last clip is a psychiatrist or a brain student, or not a student, but a professor of brain studies or something like that. And he has this new term that was kind of interesting, but play this self-esteem punchline. With no score, of course, there are no losers and no one gets to feel bad. But it's not just a few critics who think this is all wrong. It's also scientists in white lab coats. Robert Cloninger is a doctor at Washington University in St. Louis who has studied the brain and says there

2:27:58 There is biological evidence that too many rewards hurts us a lot more than it helps us. The technical term is the partial reinforcement extinction effect. And in English? All that means is if you constantly reward a kid, you spoil them and you don't build a capacity for them to be resilient to frustration. Exactly. We're doomed. We're doomed. We are doomed. And the parents, what the parents want. And throughout this whole presentation, it was showing a lot of parents so happy that he walks up to one kid and says, cute little kid. But you can tell he's in no interest in any of this. So you got a trophy, yeah. Where'd you come in? First? No. Second? No. You came in last. Yeah, came in last.

2:28:46 And, you know, the mom is just beaming. I mean, it's just really borderline sick. Yeah. I mean, it's not borderline. It is. It is. But Gumbel points out, he says, well, what is this any different than the parents who drive their kids, you know, to be, you know, you got, you know, I mean, real, real good parents, parents who are really outstanding and really care about their kids. They put them on a leash. Well, you don't want to get them killed like you. So, anyway, this is the self-esteem thing and it's coming to a head. Well, that's good work, John. I'm glad you put that together because we've all, we played the joke clip about we don't have winners. It's a problem. I don't even know if it's reversible at this point.

2:29:34 No, it's ingrained. I think the depression, that'll knock everything crazy and then the kids may reset. But right now they've got jobs in banking, in there. A lot of these kids are these self-esteem raised kids with high, like they say about the college kids, they think they're smarter, they think they're better than they are, they think they're smarter than they are. You see it like you were bitching about the I think. people. I think, I think, I think, I mean, we don't, you know, you don't, you know, do you have any facts or anything? And I believe it gets worse. And by the way, before you keep talking about it getting worse, I'm going to say that from my experience as a columnist who gets a lot of feedback, I think some of the comments that are coming in from people are apparent that this group has permeated the entire tech scene.

2:30:28 Yes, I was going to go there by saying that it's so bad now that people in command of conversations do not call people out and say what you think is irrelevant because they're afraid to offend them. This is the bad part. People who have parents, they're now doing it with their peer. They don't want to offend anybody. This is why Donald Trump resonates. I'll get off the Donald Trump train now. Good work on that. It resonates with guys like you. It does, yeah, he does. I would like to finish up since we have our 10 more minutes with...there was a second video released of the Planned Parenthood baby crushing... The baby choppers. Baby choppers, yep. Well, crushing is more appropriate. Well, so this entire thing that's happening falls under the heading bad optics.

2:31:23 Which I haven't heard anyone use that term yet, but that's what they should be using. None of this is necessarily completely evil or illegal, but the particularly the second video, the woman in the second video is just scary looking. Oh, she's a creep. Just scary looking. She looks like a ghoul. Yes, she does. If you were to ask your kid to draw a ghoul, and remember, you get a trophy for drawing it no matter what. Even if it sucks. Even if it sucks. So everyone is...this is very disturbing for people, for Obama bots, I'll just categorize them. It's very, very disturbing because they can't get it around their head that something bad would be happening at this organization, which is headed by just one of the most beautiful women alive today, Cecile Richards.

2:32:14 This woman is stunning, striking. Very photogenic. Striking. Oh, she's just...but I mean, and she's 50, she's my age, I guess, maybe a little older. But she's just a striking woman. She looks a lot like Robin Wright in House of Cards. Yeah, that's the model. Yeah. Striking. So before I play a couple of select clips I've pulled from the second video, because I think it is important that we play that since it's getting zero play anywhere else. This is MSNBC. Some guest makes a comparison. We'll do anything now to

2:32:51 cover over the bad optics of what Planned Parenthood is doing with these videos, or what is being done to them with these videos, really. To see how they speak and how cavalier they are. And I will say, I know a lot of people in the medical field, of course, when you're around death and sorrow and pain and all kinds of shitty things, then you make light of the situation. you know, you talk about the patients in probably not such a nice way if the patients heard it. That's just what it is. It's just a matter of fact, you know, every...you should hear airlines pilots talk. Before I forget, there was, I saw some guy, he would, you know, you can chat in these planes, you know, you can chat with other passengers.

2:33:38 Oh, this is on the on Southwest has it. I think I've seen this. I've never even thought. Ah, but there is now a reason to do it. OK, because you're allowed to create your own handle, your own nickname. Oh, so you can do it anonymously? Well, you could. Yeah, you can do it anonymously. That's so. No, this guy, you know what his handle was? Pilot. And he was saying, all right, everybody, time to go. Let me just put it in reverse and slowly release the clutch. That was just the beginning. You know, it was like, hey, was it, you think it was the pilot? No, of course not. Oh, it's just, just some joker. And you can say all kinds of crazy shit. Big people. Wait, the pilot just said this. That's a no agenda tip. All right. Here is a MSNBC. Some person who has no knowledge of how

2:34:28 this particular medical function works in the real world, but trying to use this to talk about the legality and morality of the baby crunchers. Talk to me about those numbers. I mean, to what degree do those seem reasonable in sort of the course of medical transport? Well, I think it's helpful to understand what the money is for. So I certainly have full confidence that there isn't a profit being made under these circumstances. So imagine that you do something familiar like you go to give blood. So you go to donate blood, you go to the center, you have a technician who places an IV, you donate the blood, the blood goes into a little bag, the bag goes into a little cooler. People have done blood donation, right? So that's someone's job, who has to help with the blood donation, make sure the donated blood goes to the appropriate place, it's transported to the hospital. So those are jobs people have.

2:35:19 So the cost, there are costs associated with donation and that's exactly what this is for. So those are, seem like reasonable numbers that would go along with that kind of donation. That's not how blood donations work. I would like to remind everybody when you donate blood to the Red Cross who are usually the people doing the blood drive, they are the primary source for purchase of blood. They don't give it to the hospital. They don't, they, you could, it is sold. It's a huge amount of money. The Red Cross is in the blood selling business. Yeah. Here we go. Here's the ghoul, the Planned Parenthood ghoul. And maybe we should just say the... I'll hold that for later. Here she is negotiating about the price. And of course... This was, by the way, illegal. What was illegal? The negotiation? One of those three things you named that were illegal. And this is the second one. You can't negotiate for price. She was negotiating for price. What would you expect for

2:36:21 intact tissue. What sort of compensation? What sort of... Well, why don't you start by telling me what you're used to paying? So you may not be able to hear, but she says, why don't you start by telling me what you want to pay? Okay. What you're used to paying. Used to paying, yes. I don't think so. I'd like to... I would like to know what would make you happy. What would work for you? You know, in negotiations, the person who throws up the figure first is at a loss, right? So she's a you if you have to see the face on this woman, which is well, you know in negotiation The person who throws out the number first is at a disadvantage. She actually says right there That's the incriminating negotiation. This is a negotiation. Yes No, I don't look at it that way I know you want to play that game I get it but no I want If you lowball

2:37:15 act pleasantly surprised and you'll know it's a low ball. What I want to know... Can I say, if this woman, if I was sitting there, even if that were that ghoulish face of hers, when someone said that to me, I'd be like, are you recording this shit? Wait, you're going to negotiate with me and you just promised me if I low ball the number, you're going to act surprised, but say, yeah, no, it has to be more. What point does this woman not think, hold on a second, Does that make any sense to you? I would be... Well, there's a couple of things. I think there's a couple of things that should be mentioned. One, she's so cavalier, the woman, the ghoulish woman, she's so cavalier that this has to be going on all the time because if there was any

2:38:07 sense of the impropriety of this, in other words, that never happens, she would be more conscientious and she would say, are you recording this? Which is what you would do. But I'm guessing that this, because this is a commonplace, which is overlooked by people when they analyze this, especially the ones defending Planned Parenthood, this is obviously such a commonplace that none of this sticks out to her. I will actually... Well... I mean, somebody will... Sorry? a little louder into my flower. Yeah. At the beginning of this, I saw the transcript at the beginning, the guy or the woman, the shills, the undercover people actually say, wow, the radio is really loud. You think we're going to have that turned down? I mean, come on, come on. I'd be like, why do you want that turned down? That doesn't make much sense. All right. I'll skip the rest of that clip. Here's the second one. This is another, um,

2:39:05 law-breaking discussion about changing the procedure, the protocol. So in order to... Yeah, in order to... Changing the procedure is not the issue. It is telling someone you're going to do a procedure and not telling them you change the procedure. That is illegal. protocol that says to the patient, we're not doing anything different in our care. So I don't know if it's audible enough. I can kind of hear it. Yeah. Well, I'll just translate it, just transcript on the fly. She says, look, if we change the protocol from something with the suction we currently use to something with less suction, so you get more chance of an intact aborted fetus,

2:40:08 That's kind of, she says, kind of, a little bit fudging a bit with the protocol. To me that's a kind of a specious little argument and I wouldn't object to asking Ian, who's our surgeon who does the cases, to use an eye pass at that gestational age in order to increase the odds that he was going to get an intact specimen. But I do need to throw it out there as a concern because the patient is signing something and we're signing something saying we're not changing anything in the way we're managing you just because you agreed to give tissue. So what she says there is, I don't mind asking the surgeon to do that. Then she says, I don't think the patients will care one iota. Again, the cavalier attitude of just breaking the law. I think that is an actual law. That's not just protocol. You can't do that.

2:41:01 And here is the part with...and I think the mistake of this campaign to discredit Planned Parenthood is flawed because, you know, this is really not...it's so crappy, this recording. You don't have great quotes. It can't really go super viral. And so that's why they sexed it up a lot with editing and they sexed it up a lot. Which is now pretty much the primary defense. This heavily edited video, heavily edited video, heavily edited video. Like the rest of your shit isn't heavily edited. Here's the bad optics if it's audible enough. I'll mention this to Ian in terms of how he feels about using a less

2:41:42 I don't think that's crunch less crunchy technique use a less crunchy technique Disgusting this is remind for some reason in that woman that you you know the beautiful What's-her-name look alike Cecile Richards? She when you start thinking if you look at her differently because of just the way she handles herself if you start thinking back on the old TV series V Yes, and you man you look at Cecile as a reptile that would open her mouth real wide and down would go a fetus I Mean then you've got a there's some optics for you I mean try to fight off that image for some reason my lady part started to tingle when you mentioned I don't know that was just really strange

2:42:26 Well, I'm not gonna make comment on that, but I would say this is a this is very very bad in terms of their image. Yeah, and they're gonna fight. Oh, they're just out to get us. They're out to get us. They're out to get us. But they're really trying to do is they're trying to end the free taxpayer money that's pouring into this and then also to make them follow the law. There's some people law breaking going on. I'm doubt that these two are the only ones. I'm sure that the guerrilla guys went and found some people that would refuse to do any of this, that wouldn't play along, but I'm sure that they could find plenty that would. So fetus mouth lady Cecile sent a letter to Congress saying, you know, there may be more bad shit coming, possibly racist. So there's more coming and they know it and it's going to be really bad racial stuff.

2:43:18 It's going to be crap. This is what you get when you have people who are in a business for a long time, but just cavalier about it. I just received a message. And they're sucking off the government tit. Oh, it's government money, of course. Federal money. Federal. Yeah. And it's a lot of money. And look, I know from the medical community that Planned Parenthood is always pushing towards termination, that's what they do. It's their business. It is their business. They push towards termination, which is fine. I don't care. Whatever you want to do. I have my own opinions about life and death and what is murder and what is not. But it's going to get really crappy.

2:44:00 And I think the genesis, kind of the backdrop of why I have an issue with Planned Parenthood when the optics are bad is their founder, Margaret Sanger, was, along with Bill Gates' grandfather, I believe, father or grandfather, you know, they ran the Eugenic Society of America. And they sterilized, you know, thousands of black men in California. you know, medically castrated them. They had all kinds of crazy ass quotes about, you know, just anyone not white Anglo-Saxon. So the genesis of the organization is killing people, is eugenics. The Eugenics Society of America. You can look it up. I'm not making this up. And that was, you know, only a generation and a half ago.

2:44:46 So then when you add to this the final kicker, which you may or may not have, you have, John, because I know you saw the video. This about this compensation thing where she comes back and she says, you'll hear what she says. You know, it's been so long since I've thought about compensation. Yeah, that's because she's been doing it for so long. Never. This is a new group coming in wanting to do new prices. And she has something in mind. So she says, I want to make sure we're not low balling. I'll check with what we're receiving in California, admitting that that happens because I want a Lamborghini. And the guy says, what? He says, I want a Lamborghini. So does that mean that she expects, is that her way of telegraphing that she wants to pay off for the deal? Cause that's the way I read it. No idea.

2:45:52 So I know said that you talk about optics that was bad. That's the worst optics in the world all right, I think What do you think do you want to? Wrap it up, or you got one more kicker to take one kind of a kicker This was on this was a very funny thing this Martin O'Malley because they Martin O'Malley is a Democrat who was speaking in front of a bunch of Phoenix Democrats Liberals as they'd like to put it on Fox. It was just the net roots nation thing I Sorry? Net routination? No, no, no. Oh, sorry. Unless it was... it might have been, but I don't know. I think it was just some meeting. And he's talking about Black Lives Matter.

2:46:32 He made a mistake and Kelly Megan. I had to leave Kelly's little commentary because she's always making snide remarks. Yeah A woman making snide remarks is very trying yes, I can imagine her on a date You're gonna order that really You asked me to do what what you get the wrong girl? So you have, Martin O'Malley says, he says something just casually and gets booed when he says all lives matter. And it was the right way. I understand it. I understand what was going on here because I've studied this or studied. I've had to deal with this sort of thinking, but the way they played it, it's very funny. This is, you play this clip. Every life matters. And that is why.

2:47:22 This issue is so important. Black lives matter, white lives matter, all lives matter. That's Democratic presidential candidate Martin O'Malley getting heckled at a liberal convention for actually saying all lives matter. Imagine that? He then later came out and apologized for saying that. He's sorry. I was walking past the Starbucks yesterday and here in Austin, that's on what is it? Third Street near Lavaca, I think. And there's a couple of benches outside and there's always interesting types sitting there. It's right in the same building as the W. So there's a lot of people who work in the backstage at the W. They actually have a door right there, which is backstage entrance.

2:48:12 But it's for the people making less than 15 bucks an hour. Yeah, that's what they called actors. Yeah. And that's a Disney trick. Yep. There was a conversation going on as I walked by and I hear this black guy saying, you know, I don't I don't like the Black Lives Matter movement. I think all lives matter. And I my feeling and I've had this for a while just in just in general, just I got my ears open that black Americans don't like this idea. They feel it's even more divisive. Or divisive. I'm sure it's divisive. One of the ESPN guys got nothing but harassed. And he's one of the more outspoken one of these announcers, Stephen A. Smith. And he said, I don't get why they booed this guy for saying all lives matter. He said, why are we bitching about black-on-black violence? Nobody ever brings them all back together. And he got harangued. This, by the way, as part of this self-esteem thing,

2:49:11 This is all part of this. This is a problem that's growing. I mean, this guy, Stephen A. Smith, would not be the kind of guy that they would be harassed by anybody. But this is going on at all levels of society where you have these things you're supposed to say, you better say them a certain way. And I can explain, and I'll do it on the next show. I'll try to do this on the next show. Why all black lives matter as a statement has a different meaning than and why they would boo O'Malley or anybody else. Nice tease. You went from the F block to the A block of next show. I know the rationale for this and I have anecdotes about it. And it is again the beginning of the end for the culture if this self-esteem thing continues. Well, I cannot leave us now without, because of this being about race,

2:50:02 the incredible racial statement made by our brand new Attorney General, Loretta Lynch, the country singer. And she came out and talked about the federal indictment of Dylan Storm Roof. And how anyone can say that name with a straight face is still beyond me. Dylan Storm Roof at the AME Church. And you're saying it wrong. It's Dylan Stormroof. Oh yes, Dylan Stormroof. Stormroof, Stormroof. All based on just supposition, you know, no evidence, no statement, no statement from this kid.

2:50:44 And of course what caught my eye is the magic number. We are here today to announce that a federal grand jury in South Carolina has returned a 33 count indictment. I mean you just gotta stop when you hear that. When you hear a 33 count indictment, that means pay attention NOAA gender listeners and listen to the word she's using About this guy based on as far as I know zero statement zero evidence And just it's a racist racist press conference against Dylan storm Ruth Charging him with federal hate crimes and firearms charges for killing and attempting to kill African American parishioners at Emanuel African Methodist Episcopal Church in Charleston, South Carolina now notice

2:51:31 that she says hate crimes, federal hate crimes. So these carry a much stronger penalty because, I don't know, if you kill somebody then it's different if you kill somebody while you hate them. I mean, you clearly don't love them if you kill them. I've never understood a crime is a crime, whether you've done it out of love, hate, whatever, it's a crime. Because of their race and in order to interfere with their exercise of their religion. Really? As set forth in the indictment, several months prior to the tragic events of June 17th, Ruth conceived of his goal of increasing racial tensions throughout the nation and seeking retribution for perceived wrongs that he believed African Americans had committed against white people. So our attorney general is saying that this guy did this because he wanted to increase racial tensions in America?

2:52:26 I have a hard time believing he said that. And I've seen, have you seen any evidence? I haven't seen any statement from him. To carry out these twin goals of fanning racial flames and exacting revenge, Roof further decided to seek out and murder African Americans because of their race. An essential element of his plan, however, was to find his victims inside of a church, specifically an African-American church. Did he write a manifesto I didn't read or something? There must be some deposition or something. Nothing. I can't find anything that says this. To ensure the greatest notoriety and attention to his actions.

2:53:06 As alleged, Roof said- Alleged, there it is. As alleged. As alleged! The evening of June 17, 2015 to carry out this plan and drove to the Emanuel African Methodist Episcopal Church in Charleston, South Carolina, known as Mother Emanuel. Mother Emanuel was his destination specifically because it was an historically African American church of significance to the people of Charleston, of South Carolina, and to the nation. On that summer evening, Dylann Roof found his targets, African Americans engaged in worship. Met with welcome by the ministers of the church and his parishioners. Did he hate God? Did he hate the church? I mean, why? There's no real explanation.

2:53:51 But to say his goal was to get black people who were praying, yeah, that's what I want to do. Come on! He joined them in their Bible study group. The parishioners had Bibles. Dylann Roof had his .45 caliber Glock pistol and eight magazines loaded with hollow point bullets. That is, I mean, this is not a press statement. This is a, uh, this is a novel. The parishioners had Bibles. He had a Glock .45 with hollow point bullets. Not acting much like a lawyer other than one who wants to win a case regardless. And as set forth in the indictment, while the parishioners of Mother Emanuel were engaged in religious worship and Bible study, Dylann Roof drew his pistol and opened fire on them, ultimately killing nine church members. Now, as you know, the state of South Carolina is also prosecuting Roof for the murders, attempted murders and firearms offenses that he's alleged to have committed.

2:54:51 We commend the South Carolina state authorities for their tremendous work and their quick response. It is important to note, however, that South Carolina does not have a hate crimes statute. And as a result, the state charges do not reflect the alleged hate crimes offenses presented in the federal indictment returned today. And that's what I think this is about. I believe this is another move by the federal government to say, Shut up with your state's rights. You've got to do this." And I think the attorney general is shaming the state into passing...just shaming them into anything, shaming them to do something on a federal level. Yeah, to get a hate crime law passed. And this is no different than the...and we haven't really talked about this. This is no different than the Confederate flag issue. The whole point of this exercise was for the federal government to tell the state what to do.

2:55:48 That's what this is about. Well, that's what they're gonna do. Well, yeah, of course I'm not saying that we can win John. There's no winning. No just Tell each other a secret. Yeah, there's no winning. No, and why should we want to win? Ah, the fun out of it. Yeah for real keep score. Oh, don't do that I'm racing my minus two points from earlier in the show. Are you going back to? No, there's no scores. I'm not taking score anymore. Oh Yes, good point good point All right, everybody we will have another show on Sunday looking forward to it and we'll start working on my

2:56:37 acceptance speech for the podcast Hall of Fame award. Oh yes, we have to talk about that a little bit off camera. I do want to talk about, I'm going to talk about the Black Lives Matter, why this phrase itself is different than saying White Lives Matter. And also I have a deconstruction coming up of this John Stuart Obama little tete-a-tete, which concludes a number of very interesting tidbits that I think were overlooked by Coming to you from FEMA Region 6 here in the crackpot condo in the capital of the drone star state in the morning everybody I'm Adam Curry and from northern Silicon Valley. I'm John C. Dvorak. We'll be back on Thursday. So I'm sorry Sunday. Right right here on no agenda

2:57:23 That's how we roll. And that's the story. Yes, the beaches are back open! Flying over Afghanistan, or maybe it was Pakistan, I promised myself to aim myself at every woman, child and man.

2:58:00 That was on my list I don't care if I missed I'm remote controlled I do what I'm told By someone at a computer Obama gave me a push More than Bush And I cost millions I'm supposed to target terrorists But not so much civilians I don't know what to say Whoops, some got in my way A drone again naturally a drone again naturally amen fist bump Isis we will follow them Isis we need to kill them we need to kill them

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2:59:56 Bomb them, and then, and kill them! Bomb them, then, kill them! Bomb them again, bomb them again! We need to kill them! Bomb, bomb them again, bomb them again! We need to kill them! And bomb them again! Adios, mofo. The best podcast in the universe!

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