Kennedy and the Body Count

00:01 From the far-reaching corners of the police state we call Gitmo Nation. It's time for your weekly quest to ask not what you can do for your country, but what you're government is doing to you from Gitmo Nation West in Southwest London in The Currie Terrace I'm Adam Currie On The West Version I am John C. Dvorak here at Silicon Valley North I think that's a new catchphrase You are going use that from now on? I've got two! I like Ask Not What Your Government Is Doing and Ask Not What You Can Do For Your Country What Your Goverment Is Doing For You And I have a new one Which is not an original, but I love it Capitalism without bankruptcy is like religion without hell. No that's a good one man. Oh, let's get to do the show But nothing that's why I didn't use it, but if you catch phrase that's for sure Hey John how are ya?

00:49 Good, it's been raining. Oh really? Well you deserve some out there I guess... Well yeah that's probably true we needed it actually if it was going to be a long hot January I mean it was like 75 for about 10 days in a row It's been cold here dude Actually its been all over the map All of sudden we had a day when we had or two days of ten to twelve degrees centigrade and now it is back down and really chilly New York has similar weather. I've been watching the news on WPIX. Oh, Slingbox?

01:27 No, it turns out that the Dish Network has one. Isn't that Channel 11? They'll be PIX Yeah I used to watch that all the time when we lived in New York Is it still an independent station or is it now... Yeah they got nothing You know Independent television is so going down the tubes here In the United Kingdom We have BBC 1 and 2 There's also 3 but the main ones are 1 & 2 Channel 4 which has a very interesting business model. It's public service broadcasting yet they have commercials. It's crazy and they are losing 100 million pounds a year and so... They should stop the commercials, it might help!

02:11 And so, you know now there's kind of like this race going on because we have one other Real full-blown terrestrial. I think it's terrestrial broadcaster channel 5 or five as they call it which is owned by RTL and so what's What's Thames? That's a I thought Thames television was more like a production. I don't know honestly What's ITN well We have ITV Okay, what's sky? Well sky is dish. I'm talking really about terrestrial broadcasts and so they've been talking about merging the commercial Channel 5 with the half-assed half commercial half state run channel 4 but i think what's going to happen is they're gonna be assimilated by the BBC BBC Worldwide it's crazy man everyone just doing whatever they can What's BBC 3

03:08 That's also, that's a full-fledged BBC. What do they do though? Actually they have the most interesting programs that are really kind of the alternative channel where you'll find things like The Mighty Boosh and real alternative off-the-wall comedy...that's about it And they don't have a full 24 hour broadcast schedule They go off the air and then don't come on until 6 or 7 in the evening So I don't know if its 6 or 7 in the evening Yes Yeah, they have no daytime programming as far as I know. But it's great! We're getting all these new digital channels... Yee-haw! Don't know what we're gonna fill them with but they're coming American crap Well Channel 4 is already filled with the... That's the station that does The Big Brother shows and I'm a Celebrity Get Me Out of Here and all that

04:02 And they still lose a hundred million pounds here. How do you do it? I don't think the markets is big enough to sustain all those channels there Hmm, no, maybe people don't listen watch the TV while you have to pay you have to have a license You know, I think some of our listeners know this and all the British do. But you actually have to have a license to own a TV! It's like owning a gun. Yeah when you go into a store even if you go into the Sainsbury supermarket and buy a television or radio... ...you immediately have to fill out all your details And again, and they have commercials running about this to which I'll tell you in a second But you fill out all your details and you have to pay. I believe it's 157 pounds a year It's less if you only have a radio and you don't have a television and What they run these commercials all the time Which are really scary like don't think you can get away without paying for your TV license because it's in the database

05:01 Seriously, it's in the database. We know where you live You cannot get away from it and to pay for every team if you have two TVs yet to pay twice as much No, you only have to pay four of for one just if you have a TV And then you can have as many as you want in In-house TV and radio now they have these I know they used to do this years ago But I don't do they still do this where they had these these trucks that With these giant dishes on the top that can aim at your house and tell if you have a television inside? Oh yeah, they have them. They have those. Well I think they used to use those now it's in the database so... You can't get away from it

05:43 How's it going to be in the database? Let's say I have a bootleg television set somehow, that I had a license up in Northern England and then I come down and just cancel it and moved. Well, I've had the benefit of moving a couple times and you know you have to go online and transfer your license to a new address but already before I'd even done that I was getting mail at the new address saying you have to have a license, we'll come and check. All this kind of semi-threatening language so... I don't know if they probably just will go by any house and knock on the door and say, do you have a television? If you don't have a license for it according to the database. Just tell them to sod off! Yeah dude, you know that repo guys even have the right now to break in enter into your house and take away your...any shit they deemed...they call it bailiff here but

06:41 but it's basically the repo man. They're allowed to break and enter and take away your shit so I'm sure that you can try the sawed off thing, but it won't fly. Can you just have a TV in there? But yeah, but its not on... No no, you have to have a license if you own one See this is just bit, you know, it's onerous at the same time it seems like it's just attacks well yeah but it's a voluntary tax because you don't have to have television The thing thats stupid because It's a separate bill, which I like. But what is lame is that people don't utilize... there's no real recourse you know? You should be able to say hey you know what it's not the value for money fuck you! I'm not going to pay it or people should organize and say let's just stop paying the BBC but they don't do that because I figured something out John.

07:37 12 years ago we had a very similar situation in the United Kingdom as to the United States. This is going through right now, and we have this fresh young guy come in and he was gonna save everything and new labor it's gonna be fantastic and yeah you know sure he's hangin' a couple cameras up but it's all for our protection... The place has become a complete police state! And people have no way out of it. You can't protest legally, there's all kinds of stuff and that's what... well you can look forward to that in the United States at least in the next four years it'll get started Well apparently Obama is already like snapped at the reporters who asked him a question when he wasn't allowed to Oh dude I've been watching the live coverage C-SPAN is my new favorite channel It used to be CNBC now its CSPAN

08:29 And I saw the first press conference with the new Press Secretary, Robert Gibbs. Oh man! The press are going to eat this guy alive. I hope they're gonna eat this guy alive because you know all of this freedom, the first press conference he didn't have it under control He really didn't and and you can see him searching and trying because he has to be very careful right? Every word he says has to be chosen so carefully And he's letting people ask three follow-up questions and that he just digs himself into a hole And this whole Freedom of Information Act, which is not an executive order but it's a memorandum that Obama put into place. Like oh yeah we're gonna honor the Freedom of Information Act now and so everyone's drilling down to what does that mean you know can really get answers? If the press is any good... Which is questionable! But also they're refusing

09:32 to allow pictures that haven't been taken by the White House staff photographer and there's background information and the press is not allowed to release the names of people who are telling, you know giving background information to reporters. It's already secrecy has started transparency my ass! Well I think Obama is kind of a newbie, a lightweight almost an amateur. He doesn't know how to deal with the press except during that period where they were all on his side. Yeah exactly and now it's like hey I thought you guys were my friends? Well he did his first weekly address. The president typically does a radio address so he is doing this YouTube address God man it's sad

10:17 So not only is he reading, which people are going to catch on to this I hope one eventually will say you know the guy's just reading but they don't have a teleprompter on these at least not yet on this weekly thing so he's looking to the left of the camera And, you know they're even cutting it because he clearly fucked up and you know. It's like oh whoops let's just do a little zoom cut there. Wait wait this is his address to the nation? To that national address and he's not looking into the camera? No he's looking off to the side go to whitehouse.gov You can see it he's looking off to the side Who was he looking at? He supposed to be looking at the public. No! He's looking at a cue card Well obviously

10:57 He's gonna have to learn how to read off of a sheet of paper in front of him. How about saying some words that actually come from his heart and he is sincere about? It's just an idea! It's a concept, you know? Just... Just a thought. Why don't you sit there and just say what you actually think dude! Now we're gonna get notes. Oh, so you guys are bashing Obama Yes I am that's correct Absolutely So uh hey by the way The question on my mind is which Obama are we talking about Are we talking about the first president they swore in or the second Obama that they swore in secretly Who was a different guy You know A different guy?! Oh I hadn't heard of that one yet That's good John

11:34 Is a different guy. How do you figure he's a different guy? Why would they have to swear him in a second time when I saw the inauguration and ice and first of first, um I think I sent you a text message. I'm laughing my ass off Like the one time that guy has to do something without a prompter He had to memorize eight lines if she messed it up And because he messed it up because he messed it up because he could he didn't know he couldn't repeat the second line of of the oath and then Justice Roberts, then he that he got there. He totally fell apart and And I was like oh my god, and I was like You know That's definitely gonna hound the guy but the thing is and this this is what's bugging a lot of people Is that he got sworn in again? There were no video crews only a staff photographer and no Bible I don't know if there's a significance there But he wasn't he would did not have his hand on a Bible

12:27 Well, my guess is that he wanted to do that Lincoln Bible thing. They took the Bible back after he did that thing because it's a valuable document owned by one of the museums or some... Yeah they couldn't get it out? I don't know who has this thing but anyway obviously he was not taken at home and so that thing disappeared and they had to go do this again because Roberts just freaked out that would become some sort of issue and he'd be embarrassed So although they could have brought in the second Obama and then sworn him in, and he's actually going to be the president. The second Obama! I wonder how many Obama doubles we got in here? It's like Kim Jong-il We've got a whole slew of them The real Obama That was good one John thank you I like that But I was looking at that first Obama being sworn in That Lincoln Bible doesn't look like it was used very much Did you notice that

13:24 If you look at the binding, but the pages itself look completely fresh cut and certainly didn't look over 150 years old. Well obviously what happened I'm guessing I'm sure there's a story to be told about the Bible Lincoln swore in on that Bible and then they made it immediately collectible put aside so it hasn't been actually even used What is the significance of the swearing in on the Bible? Is that necessary, has there ever been a president who has not been sworn in on the Bible? I think they've all been sworn-in on a Bible but I don't think it's necessary. There's no mention in the Constitution of being sworn-in on a Bible, they just have to make the oath

14:10 I was reminded of these people who, when i used to work for the government we used to have these cases and you put these juries together and there would always be some usually some foppish weirdo that refused to be sworn in. The jury said they'd rather me affirmed so this one guy...we always knew it was going to trouble too This was this character, it was an air pollution case against somebody. And it was like this guy... one guy he was a...

14:47 a music teacher who called himself a singer and he came in, he was skinny guy. He was like one of those petite male as my wife likes to describe him who came into the courtroom wearing these kind of Bermuda shorts and a suit and tie or jacket and tie so you have to imagine jacket and tie, Bermuda shorts socks and regular shoes and very thin, and he comes in and says... And when he's asked what does he goes I'm a singer! So we're going, oh God this guy's gonna be a problem. So anyway and so when it came to being sworn in this guy couldn't be sworn in he had to be affirmed because you have to be sworn or affirmed and they had to interrupt everything so this guy can get the one guy being affirmed Is is just me or was the oath for the vice president twice as long as the oath for the president? I didn't see at all You didn't watch the inauguration

15:47 I only watched the speech. Which was written by a 27 year old punk in a Starbucks you know i don't know whether they have to take as much of an adamant here that speech writer yet is this twenty seven-year-old got kid yeah who gave bob on some of his best speeches i think obama wrote that thing ethical no there was a whole article he said that he wrote it but the obama gave him kind of direction and and then he does he's lost again well what i did when i took huge offense to was uh... the line that said basically uh... it's all our fault everybody's fault like no now let's not our fault

16:23 the state of the economy. Yeah, I agree. It's not everybody's fault we don't use credit cards we've been very responsible. Yes! I have a small to medium business you know? We don't go to government for handouts We haven't been abusing anything. I wish i would have well you know in hindsight, you know we got screwed You just wait until they start reducing people's principle on their mortgages That's when the shit will hit the fan I do want to I do want to um...I want you to take a look at a link for second here because this will freak you out Hold on I'm gonna Skype it to you This is from CNN now hold on where's my uh...where's Skype? Here we go

17:10 So the, while you're doing that. So I guess the big news in England from our perspective is a woman over there letting her three-year old smoke Yeah, I've seen the story but it's not dominating the news at all But take a look at this link John This video and eight seconds into it I want you to see the UFO that flies from right to left Oh no, we saw this! We blogged about this Really? You blogged it That looks like an actual UFO Looks like a scratch on the camera lens. No way! I've freeze-framed this thing, man That's not a scratch It's a flying object that goes right in front halfway down the what the What do you call? The Washington Monument sorry On on the camera side and it flies right by and You know, I don't know ma'am but that looked either it was some incredibly fast stealth military aircraft It was not a bird And I don't think it was a plane. No, it wasn't a bird but I think it was an anomaly

18:16 Well, I don't know. How come nobody saw it? Well-well... Until they made this video and where's the other videos of it and it's only a spot No, like it has legs or anything. It was like a fast flying disc That's the way I saw it Hold on we got our jingles John they finally came in Jingles? I'm not hearing any jingles Hold on I'll play the other cut A moment in our history

18:56 At this defining moment, change has come to America. A government of the people by the people and for the people has not perished from the earth This is your victory! We are and always will be the United States of America Yeah I've already heard these things You've heard these? Yeah yeah they're floating around all over the place Well i just...I love this Welcome to Obama FM everybody. I'm the ace a to the C here in London town and we got JCD over there in California Yeah, how you doing Johnny boy? bomb my town

19:40 Yeah, I know they got these guys. They gotta back off these you know these freelancers that are doing this stuff It's gonna be embarrassing eventually well I've been showing as many of those crazy clips as possible on me vo daily of those of the celebrity pledges Oh yeah, I pledge a pledge it like these guys who'd I like to see how many people even turn off their lights Those clowns I mean you're talking about multi-millionaires like at Ashton Kutcher and his wife. You know, their goal there is to do this and that... They're not going to do anything! But they pledge like to conserve on the use of plastic by drinking less water. Well less water from a plate which by the way has got to count. I was just went to the gourmet food show that was in San Francisco, The Fancy Food Show

20:28 and I'm sure that the people who this is you know, this year there's a number of themes that people can expect to see. One thing the salt thing has fallen off the face of the earth That's not happening as much as it was a couple years ago They tried that right? It just didn't really catch Did it... It had a peak Yeah its gone There wasn't any salt vendors But there was like tons and tons and tons and tons and tons and tons of chocolate Mean it's like everybody who can heat a pot is making chocolate so it was that was a little annoying well cocoa It's funny you say that because cocoa the price of cocoa has exploded. I was just reading that today And you wonder why

21:08 Well, so that's the question. Is it because everyone wants it? Because they're using it? It's because all these chocolate companies... My wife excused as well you know when you have financial downturn people need chocolate. Cocoa prices at 24 year high above 2000 pounds per ton There you go. That's pretty well it was obvious to me that the rationale for that is this show Indicate as a trance, I mean the shows indicates trends I go there and look at trends in this the trend was chocolate So everybody, and all these different chocolate companies. And there's just you know... Yeah some of it is good. How much chocolate can you stomach? There was tea flavored chocolate. There was one company that specialized in weird flavored chocolates. You know hot chilies, green tea things in the chocolate when you'd eat the chocolate. Tea was another thing that was hot

22:03 which has been a trend for you in number of years but... But flavored teas, right? Not just traditional good old-fashioned tea. Yeah, flavored teas, sparkling tea there's some company called White Star making a spark by the way which is tasty but way too expensive and there's just a lot of different kinds that tea, tea flavor this and tea flavor that and like but anyway so there's all but then again one of the biggest thing is these flavored waters in these plastic bottles which is one of the other big trends Just one company after another with I think like one of them called hint There's the name of the water company and they I end the thing is as regular water But it's got some it's got like a drop of some weird flavor in it And you take me you have in other words. You get a hint of mint, you know kind of thing

22:49 So anyway, but I'm watching that video that you were talking about which was on the blog and we could probably reset it. And they go on and on about not using these plastic bottles. Meanwhile there's one company came out and the name of the water is called Help! They donate almost all their profits to charities so they're obviously... There's a conflict for for the people out there is like, I can just see somebody shorting out trying to decide whether they could buy this water because it's in a plastic bottle. Anyway... It was an interesting show. But that was it? There was chocolate as the trend and salt is out and thats it? Chocolate tea! And water. Chocolate tea, water, and salt. Well, the other trends that were pointed out by me by the PR woman was the downsizing of

23:46 like chocolate bars, they have these big giant bars and now they're gonna make smaller ones. And kids... How about peanut butter? That must've been really popular at the show. There's never- peanut butter has never really been popular in a show. Salmonella in a can everybody! You're welcome to it But the other thing was they have these kids like water for kids tea for kids They were trying to introduce tea to kids but that was just going to be decaffeinated they say although I don't think it makes any difference So they're trying to make kid get kids children into yeah, well you know you could then the UK They're just they're a little easier. Just teach your kid to smoke Sounds like a bogus story by the way it sounds that's just it's just a Bogus yeah, I'm not really not really buying it we liked the story We blogged it well of course big story which only got

24:43 As far as I can tell, only got press on CNBC who broke it about John Thain. Is it Tane or Thain? The Merrill Lynch CEO just got kicked out You know, I never heard his name pronounced I think they were saying Tane So only a few days after Merrill Lynch received their first billions in bailout money he redecorated his office Oh right For 1.2 million dollars including a $32,000 toilet Yeah, but the kicker... What are these guys thinking? Well the kicker is that ummm No wonder these guys brought down the economy. These guys are idiots! Of course and but that was with our money which is kind of upsetting But the kicker of this story Is that the designer The interior decorator who did this Is the same guy who just redecorated For the Obamas in the White House Hmm Who is this guy? Let me look up his name

25:48 By the way, let me see. I wonder what the why... What? Oh nothing. Go ahead say it. Nah Now you've got me intrigued. I'm just wondering what calls they're going to make in the White House to personalize it for Michelle's taste? Michael S Smith, known among society as higher echelon for his makeover of Bel Air estates and Malibu beach houses and a client list that includes Dustin Hoffman and Rupert Murdoch was chosen just last week to redesign the Obama's private quarters at the White House The Obamas got a deal! A hundred grand versus the eight hundred grand paid by Mr Tain Bandit

26:30 Huh, well this is a good deal. $15,000 a year Why are they paying 100 grand of the taxpayers money here just when he first gets into office and we're trying to cut back on this sort of thing? Can't they just make due and then maybe spend the money later It's part of the perks! They're comparing Obama to FDR but you know FDR when he was inaugurated He had a plate of cold chicken for solidarity And the Obamas, I think they had a really nice five-course meal at Blair House. But of course that was the other Obama. Yeah you don't know which Obama it is anymore! One of the stunt doubles. And us schleps here around the world certainly in Europe can be happy to know that McDonald's is expanding with 240 new restaurants 12 thousand new jobs They're totally in the lift

27:26 Yeah, well they would be during these kinds of economic times where people need to eat one buck hamburgers for dinner. It's sad. Yeah FDR was pretty good at staying on the course Was he truly one of our... So what are you talking about? I was listening to something the other day and they're talking about why, just before he got inaugurated or not inaugurated but before he got sworn in. The uh... About Obama deserving already without spending one minute in office already should be on Mount Rushmore

28:05 Does that mean we have to retool someone and we just make a new head? How does that work? I think you could get Roosevelt. Retool him, right? Because he's got the big fat head and he could be pounded down into Obama Uncle Fester just twittered, the Lincoln Bible was procured new I guess for new it says for Abe's inauguration his family bible was unavailable. It was archived and not used again until the 20th of January 2009 so that is our answer There you go Yeah your right We got people out there helping Highly appreciated Its a resource The public is a resource Certainly Especially when we have no material Well I've got plenty of material Ok well what?

28:51 That's it, we're done. It was great talking to you John 28 minutes shorter show we've ever done Well it seems like there is so much but everything would come down Well, we just can't sit here bitching about Obama. Exactly! That's the problem I will say this one thing till he gets in office the next thing you know two missiles go into Pakistan Yeah and kill 13 people yeah no that's uh well but the whole thing is complacency on on the part of the press i mean right now if you go on the street and you say to the American public what has Obama done they'll say he closed Gitmo were no longer torturing please please I urge you go read

29:30 Please go read it, because that's not true. He has put a task force which is in all business I hate task forces because nothing ever comes of them It is like a steering committee Let us all grab the steering wheel and drive off the road Well this reminds me when Ronald Reagan first ran for president This was during or present for governor of state California I will never forget this he would use a big saber rattler and in the same time he had a lot, you know. He used to be a union organizer and a hard Franklin Roosevelt Democrat so you can never quite eliminate some of these aspects of people's personalities if you've been on both sides of the political spectrum

30:11 And so I always thought a lot of his stuff was bluster. And so, I remember, I distinctly remember him coming into California and threatening all the students were rioting it all over the place and he says, I'm going to put up blue... Remember this? Blue Ribbon Committee headed by John McCone who I guess is some CIA guy at that time. Now they kept talking about this Blue Ribbon Committee headed by John McCone to investigate these student unrest He got elected and that was the end of it. There was no blue ribbon committee, right? John McGoan I don't think ever showed up! It's unbelievable... I would like to revisit Flight 1549 which I brought up last week. Oh yes. And because I remember in the first part of the week before they pulled out the engine they showed a piece of metal with a hole in it

31:07 on one of the news shows and said look there's a feather stuck on it. Something like that! Yeah, that's the report they let we found a feather bird strike totally clear but I'm sure you know that this exact aircraft had engine problems in flight two days before this right everybody reported that okay and Have to just say again. Why is there no audio available of the so-called distress call this whole conversation? He had which it's just it's not there It doesn't it does not exist There was no recording of him of the pilot saying we had a double bird strike We were in trouble, there's none of it

31:48 It's just not there. So, and I'm not saying it's a government conspiracy but it stinks! It absolutely stinks and of course the Sullenberger, the captain was at the inauguration, the press asked him questions he said No, I can't say anything, I am not allowed to say anything and I won't say anything Well, he is going to be interviewed on 60 Minutes on Sunday Oh okay so here comes The Spin There you go So they've set him up, they've put the chip in him. He knows what to say now I'm just not buying this bird strike What do you think it is? Just to intimidate those bankers that were on board That would be a very deep conspiracy but there's a number of reasons why people would not want to have

32:35 the thought that someone else was responsible for a plane crashing anywhere near New York. I'm sure if that was the story, it could have blown up the markets and done a whole bunch of things so i can see where they'd want to spin that yeah of course please particularly with bankers on board whatever I don't know It'll come out in about 50 years when they release the files There's still that TWA flight, you know? That was hit by a missile. And I'm the conspiracy theorist John! Well you know that is actually more of an interesting story not because there was a missile that hit it but because of the number of people who have come forward and volunteered to testify to the FBI or whoever is investigating

33:28 the accident to say what they'd seen and they never called back. Nobody cared about, they had their minds were made up from the get go and that was in it was a tank that heated up and blew up from meant to never happened before. Never happened since but you know is obviously it was a problem with the plane right? You mean kind of like buildings collapsing free fall from jet fuel that ever happened before into a perfect mess well whatever well that one I'm not who knows I mean that one day Just a head shaker, but whatever the case Whatever the case is there's that we just don't get good information and nobody does any follow-ups And you know as soon as somebody comes up with you know something I mean they try to find someone to ridicule like during that debt What's that five things 700 whatever that TWA flight was? Yeah, I think so yeah, and and I remember the what's his name did Pierre Salinger

34:25 pierce ellinger apparently came out you know did they don't nobody needs this so they piercing was a ten eight hundred by the way of five eight hundred okay whatever so uh... pierce ellinger comes on he says we are was struck by missile there is pictures and resistors that person to be got off in some crackpots website and so they here he comes forward in a day to get somebody gets ahead of steam with people getting interested in it and then they they just go after him with such a vengeance. It was like they humiliated him to death, he's an idiot for reading these kinds of websites and they didn't have the facts... And I never seen a guy

35:08 Hounded to oblivion as much as they did because he was the highest profile gal came out and said anything Who is he cuz I've never heard his name before. He was the press secretary for John Kennedy, okay? Okay, here's a pretty famous guy. He was actually very interesting press secretary there while he was there and Pierre Salinger And so he uh They just slammed the door on him that it was pretty interesting to watch how how they can do that whoever they are Yeah Well, the real problem of course is that there's... The only real investigative journalism that was done I guess is really newspapers and the newspapers are in so much trouble. They're now being bought up by rich dudes everywhere. Was it a guy who just put $200 million into The New York Times?

36:05 Yeah, who was that? I can find it. There's also the evening standard of the last for pay where they saw for a dollar one No pound pound Oh, they should have done it for a euro really It would have been more symbolic there was an article about that today He was so some Russian guy right X KGB actually and he says you know wants to use it to expose Moscow which is a sure way to get killed Yeah, that is a sure way to get killed. I got it here Alexander Lebedev the nominal sum of one pound the Russian oligarch and former KGB lieutenant colonel said he would pump tens of millions of pounds into The London Daily which has struggled with falling circulation and competition from free sheets Mr. Lebedev also co-owns some Russian thing...I'm looking for The New York Times don't know where it is

37:04 But yes, but you know it's like all the isn't is so what how does that work? I mean rich dudes just buy this up to promote their own agenda or do they actually care. I mean there's there's this isn't that the way newspapers always have been or at least since the turn of the century. I think I need to get me a column in a newspaper here in the UK. I betcha could get one too. I'm betta should get right real easy And just write shit. Do my crazy shit, right? Yeah yeah that would be good. They go way off the deep end like they do... The reason they throw you off the station in Holland No remember if you ever read Adam Curry death by suicide by cop suicide it's not true It's not true I found a copy of The Wave

37:48 Hey, by the way before you go there let's stick with this for a second. Sure. Since we were talking about Pierce Ellinger and all the Kennedy boys that were wiped out... Oh you want to talk about Carowind Kennedy? I think it was interesting during the right during the inauguration Ted Kennedy has had a heart attack like he went into convulsions so they give him the you know they gave him okay ted this is your special glass of wine uh now that's horrible toast seven toast that's horrible it just seems like they're trying to you know their I mean the Kennedys have been you Two things happen. One, Ted Kennedy has his heart attack and the other one is Carolyn Kennedy who was kind of a dingbat anyway but she seems well-meaning I've met her! She's not a dingbat. She's quite nice actually. She looks like she's nice. She has really pleasant quality about her it's hard to describe And she up bales out on this thing for some unknown reason and won't say why nobody can figure it out It's not about Ted

38:43 I think the Kennedys are, you know...I hate this. Now i don't want to sound like you a kind of a... No god forbid that would ruin the show It would! But go ahead but I remember once when I was a student at the University California and they in the Pacific Film Archives it just opened up and they were showing the weirdest movies And there's this one movie, I couldn't actually sit through the whole thing because it was such an eye roller. But now I regret not having seen the whole thing or finding access to it to this day and it was a crazy crazy movie about how all of the different presidents in the United States represented

39:20 heads of various criminal organizations, specifically mob organizations and the Kennedys in particular were part of the... I don't know if it was Genovese or Costello. I don't know which family it was but they named the families who are on the outs because they, because it stemmed up from and they went back to the history of how you know the family was a bunch of rum runners I mean they were doing well yeah that's where Joe Kennedy made his money right from bootleg running bootlegged money. He used to bootleg booze yeah and he was big so he had to have we had to be connected and so then so apparently this or the Kennedys had to be taken out at the picture completely because do remember the name of this film?

40:08 Because I'm sure, you know this kind of shit is on Google Video. You would love this movie! Of course i would Carlos Slim is the guy who invested in The Times thank you Fyndham So um anyway so the uh... In the back my mind ever since the Kennedys started getting pushed aside Well wait a minute let me connect those dots for second so essentially The Kennedy's had to have been eliminated and they've done quite reasonable job so far looking at the family history and uh... carolyn kennedy's ready to ascend to the senate seat and they say oh yeah watch this here ted have a glass of wine that's the way i'd connect those dots you just gave me maybe, and then she was like shit I don't want suicide by cop. I'm not going to do this but who is this woman that now has been brought in? She's interesting because she's kind of a democrat or republican in democrat clothing

41:09 She's pretty much politically an old-fashioned Republican that is only interested in conservative monetary policies. She's an NRA member, big time gun user which pisses off almost all the Democrats I don't know why they're so adamant about this and But she's, you know for gay marriage. So she's kind of like there are a lot of Republicans that don't give a crap about gay marriage one way or the other and those are I still consider them more mainstream old-fashioned Republicans that wouldn't let what happened during the Bush administration actually happen

41:48 You know, they don't think that the earth was made 6,000 years ago and that kind of thing. Like these conservatives all believe or too many of them believe that and um... That's what she is so she's kinda a little bit off the wall and that you know they guy I don't know why she was chosen. There's a lot of Democrats in New York state that are irked to the nth about this. Well no kidding, because she is Republican! That's the first thing that interesting about it well there were two things one she wishes a Democrat but she is Republican in her philosophies and worst part is she won as a Democrat in highly Republican area middle nowhere upstate New York

42:33 And that means they're not going to be able to get another person in there. So a Republican will probably end up with that seat because there's no Democrat that has her types of politics to win up there. Well, so let's trace it back one more step back to the Kennedys... Wait wait wait! One more thing what about Andrew Cuomo? I thought he was good at that. He was the shoe-in who also was related to the Kennedys Cuomo by marriage yeah he wasn't married to someone from the Kennedy clan yeah I'm pretty sure yeah yeah and of course John Jr. was killed by plane sabotage right no seriously John that was not a spatial disorientation issue the conditions were just not there for that as just I am just not buying that one, as an aviator i'm not buying it

43:26 Hold on. Andrew Cuomo, I'm pretty sure he was married to someone in the Kennedy clan? No. Kerry Kennedy Cuomo Really Yes But i think he's divorced wasn't he? Kerry Kennedy Well once you're in your'e in Yeah right So this sounds like maybe there is a lot more too it particularly because Caroline just wont say anything that's...you know That kind of weird Yeah I just think its an interesting thing to think about

44:02 You know, Ted's going to be out of the picture shortly. Yeah So all you got now is Robert Kennedy Jr and a few of the other kids who are lying low How about the kid who uh... The raper? The ex-rapist or the uh... Oh yeah I don't think he was part of this real family He was just a relative of some sort What was it? Remember there were some Didn't someone get killed with a golf club what was that remember that? I don't remember that one Well yeah That was maybe ten years ago There was something where someone got their head beaten in I thought that was a Kennedy kid who was... There's a lot of Kennedy kids, that's for sure. But how many were part of the inner circle remains to be seen. But i think it explains one of the reasons Ted Kennedy has become

44:52 uh... from that you know he was like the third brother who is kind of door the fourth actually because the first brother was killed off a meeting on the road during the war and that which was uh... joe kennedy senior he was always close to be issue into being a politician answer than john and then use it before bros but with only ten left and teddy became a something of an outrageous left-wing, almost anti government style of Democrat with you know promoting old line socialist concepts. I mean he's basically a socialist Well that's pretty much the administration we just voted into office isn't it? Well he was from the Kennedy... when Kennedy took sides he took Obama side

45:49 Instead of Hillary's side. Right, which is another thing because there is all this mean-spiritedness of the Clintons and by the way it was a pretty good move they got Hillary out of the picture by making her Secretary of State and couple guys are going to argue about it I think somebody went up and said Hillary's more dangerous as a senator than she is ever going to be Secretary of State. Get her out of there, put in somebody else you know this Republican woman who was a Democrat and now she's not gonna get bill run for that office again now she's because it's idiotic and she's gonna have a good retirement because you get a good one if your secretary state and she go off float around the world had been big shot and thats the end of our so she's out of the picture

46:44 Another memorandum from our new president. Remember, I think memorandums... does that have any legal standing? A memorandum? I don't know maybe a lawyer can ask or it had to be a constitutional lawyer probably not Because he's got a lot of memorandums that he is passing out and the press is of course reporting that as oh yeah its all fixed Basically turning back a Bush memorandum, not a directive. Yeah I read these, there's an entire laundry list of these things but most of those were like put in play by Carter, Reagan reversed it

47:22 Clinton reversed that Bush reversed it back and now Obama's got basically we're looking at Carter administration policy. No kidding Brzezinski, no kidding I can remember no agenda thing is like 16 or 17 and you were like what do you talk about Brzezinski shut up! I never said that Oh don't make me go into the archives Don't make me go into the reason why I'm bringing it up is because do you not find it strange? Because now the anti-abortion versus Pro choice or pro life. I'd forget what the politically correct term is now that's heating up again Is there something weird about people anti abortionists people who are against abortion throwing eggs at clinics

48:14 Doesn't sit right with me. Maybe they're not fertilized, but still it's a weird thing to do you know what I'm saying? They should be throwing shoes so uh... I like that. I like the shoe thing Well you know that issue crops up and it just detracts from anything affects people's day-to-day lives. I mean it doesn't make any difference to me one way or the other, but the fact that the economy is in a tank does mean something to me daily. Yeah but thats not what people in hypnotized states of America are talking about you know? You go on the street and say, he closed Gitmo we're no longer torturing. That is exactly what the press is reporting! But its just not factually true

49:06 And it's sad, so please tell a friend to listen to this show. Because we'll give you at least some fact. Some pieces of opinion and fact. Thoughtful opinion though that's the difference I posted a Google video of the wave on curry.com yeah are you familiar with this? The wave? I don't know am i yeah it was a book based upon the true experiment that a alright right away to the way of yet but I had a cut you got color I got color scheme like color scheme on the cover over there one other books that is exactly same as Obama's at art artsy picture red and gray yes stuff out

49:56 And a lot of people really responded very interestingly to that. It was like an ABC after school movie, it's horribly acted! Really it is a piece of shit but it is the story And I remember my mom telling me this story, I don't know how much of it seven or eight. I was in the Bay Area when that happened and remember that the reports on the news about it cover Lee high was where it actually took place. Play it back tell people what it is because not everyone has well what it was as with some guy wanted to teach the class about bigotry and how dictatorships can evolve and how things can naturally, if encouraged, can naturally turn into sort of a fascist environment. And so he set up a classroom experiment where people had to... you know there's one group that was some one way and another group would have to be their opponent That's actually incorrect! That's what I thought the story was but it is not They were studying the Holocaust and the kids were like well how could all these millions of Germans not know that they were killing millions of Jews?

50:58 And they just didn't believe it, they didn't understand it. And he then started very simply... It wasn't two groups but he said okay let's put this into practice why don't we start understanding that by with community dedication It was the community dedication, something else. That's how you get things done and they had a little salute where you kind of like pound your chest and hold your fist up And everyone really got into it! Then it just caught fire almost immediately The quietest kid in the class wanted to be bodyguard and essentially like an SS agent

51:39 And the wave, it spread and they were doing meetings. And then at the crescendo of this whole story as he holds a meeting and says alright kids there are groups all over the country now who are part of the wave and they all want a new way of community and being together with hope and change. And then he shows this big... He said okay here's your leader and flips up a video Hitler And of course all the kids then realize that they've been sucked into fascism. I think that's a dramatized version of what actually went on

52:15 But, there's something like that. Possibly. But if people let you know that's probably something worth reading the guy by the way that teacher still around he says and refuses to talk about it Really? Yeah He just refuses to talk about it because I guess somebody was just frightening the way unfolded but you know if you want to read good piece of fiction thats about this phenomenon and I think its It's very believable. Is Sinclair Lewis' classic, it can't happen here... Yes! Someone has been... You sent me a copy I think it is being distributed people are emailing this out on the net

52:51 Well, what's interesting about Sinclair Lewis was he was a Nobel Prize winning Pulitzer Prize winning one of our greatest writers. Adored by the left literati but he did this book It Can't Happen Here which was about essentially how the left wing could take over in a fascist way and then of course he was on the outs ever since then same thing happened to John Dos Passos who would do wrote some you know essentially conservative perspective uh... book once so anyway the but real life story if you want to read which is a little harder to come by it's called life and death in shanghai which talks about the communist takeover of the city and how people were just like you described you know that we could all wimp they had no power somehow becomes the boss right and enters into a despotic little

53:47 jerk off and it's a very interesting story so actually it's much more frightening than the way this woman wrote this book, Killer. But it was banned in China uh... life and death in shanghai extremely popular in hong kong just before the turnover have been like a little in the mid-nineties because everyone is reading this all freak you know they were freaked out in hong kong when the chitney if you get to change i mean i was there couple times before the turnover never was just freaks on it was that what we want to tell us in the turnover yeah well nineteen ninety seven ninety seven i'm sorry she's not long ago Yeah, and everybody was going around roaming around saying oh there's we've noticed there's a lot more people speaking Mandarin. You know this is not just they're spies everywhere and It was really easy handover not much change that I know yeah, it's the joke of it Yeah Is that is the it can't happen here? Is that public domain do you think no it can't be it was written about 1933

54:46 Because I was considering turning that into an audiobook. I've been wanting to record an audio book for a long time and I've been considering that would be one to do Oh, you could probably get rights to it for next-to-nothing Well, I don't want to make money on it just want to do it You know just just let's just do it. Yeah, how long it takes to read a book out loud? Yes longtime I think it takes a long time to do it properly yeah And you probably have to redo a couple things once in awhile and is we edit it a little bit I think you should have sound effects. Well, you know, I've done like a boing-oing-oing-oing-oing Oh dude! Have you seen... Go to MeVeo.com and turn up your sound. I want you to see this

55:27 My browser is not working. Oh, you can't do that? Ah shit! Sorry. I can... If i reboot the router I can do it but... No no don't do that. Do it later. Do it later. Because I put a good comedic effect in there for a reason and I don't want to give it away but if you look at right now you might get a chuckle It's one of my best pieces of work. I did a couple of audio books You know which ones I did? Which I have never released because I wasn't happy with them Tom Swift Tom Swift? You don't know the Tom Swift series? you did all of them no,no I think his Hydro Flying Machine I did but when i was a kid I read Tom Swift I read all of them as a kid and I didn't know that they were from like 1850 these things are incredibly old and it's all this stuff that we now have and the reason why I've never released them is because I couldn't quite get it. They had this black guy who would have to say served

56:29 Tom Swift and his dad who of course was also a famous inventor in the books. And when you read these original texts it's like, yes Massa I could be doing that right away Massa! How can you read that without reading it like that? Mark Twain all his books were written in dialect and it was very popular to write in dialect and it wasn't just black people in dialect, but also white people. Everybody was written in dialect. Everyone always talks about Tom Sawyer but my favorite book was Huckleberry Finn It's a much more compelling adventure that he went on

57:07 and that was major because he was with Uncle Tom, wasn't it? Uncle Tom who was with him on the raft. Could be Yeah but you know so I've always struggled like...I have a feeling if you don't read it the way it was written in dialect then it misses a lot and if you do you know honestly people call me racist Get a brick through the window! yeah exactly Because there's too many people out there that don't understand That it was written that way I mean there are people, if you did a survey and you said, I'm going to quote Mark Twain reading from this character. And then you talk like that? Nobody would believe it was actually written that way in today's world because we can't do that. It is not politically correct even think about it. Apparently, It Can Happen Here! is in public domain and available on Project Gutenberg Oh really? Yeah

58:07 Although I'm not sure that's true because a lot of books that are on Gutenberg are still to come into public domain. You have to be real careful, yeah? Because they're up there but they have specific disclaimers But well like there's one clearinghouse that does art Like I don't know their name offhand but this would do the big ones There's there's what copyright clearing house you could probably contact them and they would help you in this regard I'll get their names. I'm really considering that because that's the kind of project but another thing i'm worried about and this is what it's a great book, great book! It's a great book yeah the thing I was a Sinclair Lewis fan so... Is if you do this over a number of weeks and I ran into this with the Tom Swift experiment You get so many differences in your intonation and it's really hard it's tough it's really hard to read an audiobook

58:57 And if you want to do production, it's even harder. I think you have to read it in one sitting... This is my guess. Somebody who probably does these for a living maybe listens in but I would think that you'd get away with it if you did it in one sitting and then you did the production stuff afterwards Or the alternative and this has been done by many people Is to do as podcast and then do a chapter at a time Yeah, you could do that. But I've never gotten into that...I just want to listen to the whole thing and stop it in my own tempo. I'm sorry but it would be a good book to do. Some of the audiobooks that I've purchased are so poorly read! Ugh! Just shit! There's not many people who do it well. Would you do one? It is no easy to do. Could I do one?! Well would you?

59:55 Can you imagine somebody having to listen to my screechy voice for more than an hour? You have a very nice voice John I disagree No, I don't know if I could let me read something from the news here and see what it sounds like Do it with do it with Uncle Tom dialect. I Don't know how that dialect works Yes sure shit you lived in that era man. What are you talking about? Well this those days are over So, I could do it as Deepak Chopra. Okay! That'll work. Oh, I can talk like Deepak Chopra. No that's horrible you're no good at it. You think so? Nah you're not good at it Here is one...I can't do the voice. Not since the inauguration of President John F Kennedy half a century ago has a new administration come into office with such reservoirs expectations It is unprecedented that all the principal actors on the world stage are avowing their desire

1:00:52 To undertake the transformation imposed on them. Who's this supposed to be? This is my Kissinger It's terrible, it's terrible Here's the line I actually can do a perfect Kissinger Yeah If if i take...I have this there's one there's a cough syrup called Ventolin Seriously It's a cough syrup called Ventolin and I don't know what, but I have an allergic reaction to it or something. And my voice becomes Henry Kissinger and there is nothing that can do about it." Alright read that middle paragraph. The extraordinary impact of the President-elect on the imagination of humanity? What? Yeah that one. In shaping in the new world order? That's the one! Opportunity not a policy? What is this?! This is Kissinger man he just said this He's calling for New World Order

1:01:42 He just said this now? Yeah, this is from January 12th. The extraordinary impact of the President-elect on the imagination of humanity is an important element in shaping a new world order but it defines an opportunity not a policy There you go! What's that supposed to mean?! Oh, One World Government. This is Gordon Brown. It's one of those One World Government guys. You know Obama is I think in that crowd but... You think? You think?! You know what I wonder maybe. Brzezinski is and he's there. He's a part of it please

1:02:23 This is, Gordon Brown is literally having wet dreams. He's ejaculating over the fact that Obama is now president can't wait for Obama to come to the United Kingdom for the G20 summit which is coming up in a few weeks everything he every speech every time on television well President Barack and they never say Barack it's Barrack Obama hey England its Barack not Barak. They call him Barack? Barak Obama It's Barack! Barrack Obama. Barrack Obama is coming, yes Barrack Obama because we can't do this alone all we have to have bad banks together We're creating a bad bank here A bad bank in the US and one big badass bank And it's gonna control everything Surely you see that John

1:03:18 Yeah, you know these schemes have little chance of success. That's the way I see it No of course that has little chance of success but what it is going to succeed at is bankrupting the countries that... You know so the UK has What they've set up and this is very controversial or should I say controversial The United Kingdom will underwrite the banks, so kind of like AIG is an insurance company. So the banks will have to pay these huge premiums to guarantee their business and if they go bankrupt then The Bank Of England essentially will cover the loss well you know just have one or two these banks go belly up in the end there's no more money They're already talking about David Cameron the leader of The Conservatives is already saying oh we gonna have to go to the IMF We gonna get bailed out by the IMF

1:04:15 This place is going down the tubes. Have you followed the pound or the euro for that matter versus the dollar? Yeah, good news Well good news for me and good news for you not good news for the United Kingdom. They had their day So I got you, uh...I recorded for you the Marijuana Inc. special that was done by Trish Regan at CNBC Thank-you! I requested that Have you did you watch it or do only record? I watched part of its you know its mostly Trish who used to work for Market Watch I've met her and um... I've been on a couple shows with her too and it's always good to see again like we should see each other ever since she is in New York Yeah But she was

1:05:02 I gotta send her an email. She was like, kinda... she did this thing and she's like sitting standing in a field of about $1 million with 20-foot high marijuana plants with all blood dollars You mean heaven? And she is giddy! And i'm thinking you know I think this girl smokes once in awhile That's what the impression you have to me. You should introduce me to her. She sounds like my kind of people. She's pretty hot looking so uh... Voila So, I only watched part of it. It's just a bunch of issues roaming around the... They do have a lot of numbers you know? The kind of billions of dollars that it produces for places like Mendocino County that would otherwise be just broke and there was an argument for legalization I thought was pretty valid

1:05:50 You know, just that you'll like it. I couldn't watch the whole thing It's bored me stiff. You know there's a in Surrey where we used to live in Guilford There's a research park Nokia has a big Facility there even a helipad in fact And there's a whole bunch of nondescript buildings and the movers who? Moved us every single time in the UK and had our stuff in storage So I know these guys, you know pretty small outfit And I'm talking to them, and they said you know because they were up in my office when they were cleaning out the old house. Of course how can you avoid hearing my work when your in my office for two days? Did you turn your fan back on? No

1:06:37 And he said, you know that's kind of interesting the stuff I hear you talking about because we were at one of these research facilities over at Surrey Research Park and the guy had a whole room full of screens. There were all these red dots and so what are these red dots? The guy apparently was quite friendly and said oh this is where all the troops are in Afghanistan monitoring live satellites and we passed it on to the Ministry of Defense. He was clearly saying stuff he shouldn't have And then the guy says, you know what's interesting is all these red dots they're all around the poppy fields. People have no idea I've asked my daily source code audience to go out on the street and record people and ask them two questions one What kind of government do we have in the United States? And the second question is what are we doing in Afghanistan? And I can't wait to hear the answers when they come back

1:07:31 Oh, it'll just be a bunch of dumb answers. Well I think the answer to the first question will be democracy that's pretty much what everyone has been led to believe which is wrong. It's a representative republic Thank you and started by the French wasn't it a French guys idea? A Republic I think, didn't the Greeks and the Romans have a similar structure? The Romans had a similar structure. Yeah that's true. And the Senate and the whole thing. So the Afghanistan thing still fascinates me that two missiles come flying in to blow up a camp and house... And people! Well yeah there are people in there usually

1:08:22 Well, what happens I saw nobody's whatsoever. Then this was under Obama's would Obama's one he was threatening if you remember that is gonna Blow up a suit. I'm sorry. It's Pakistan right? We're all yes, Pakistan You're right. You brought the border the Afghan-Pakistan border Yes Right, it's Pakistan misspoke and but he was threatening them from the get go Yeah And then it kind of went out of the you know cut went out of the radar but he seems to be He doesn't seem to be a pro-Pakistan type of guy. No, because the US has a deal with India. India hates Pakistan they've had this whole thing and this whole argument for decades about Kashmir and as far as i understand india wants to get rid of pakistan that's all they've always hated each other. I don't know...I think the whole thing well I don't know if they want to get rid of Pakistan I think they just want to get Pakistan out of their hair

1:09:22 Two missile attacks from suspected US drones have killed 14 people in northwestern Pakistan, officials say. At least one missile hit a house in the village near the town of Mirali in north Waziristan. Of course! A stronghold of Al-Qaeda and Taliban militants, of course." So I did see a documentary they... it was Channel 4 interestingly enough And because they can't, you know... It's just like in Gaza. You know? The press is not allowed to go anywhere anymore and of course they don't do it but these guys had given their Afghani cameraman all the gear and said sit in the hospital He shot for a week at the hospital and he interviewed all these people and essentially what's happening is militants combatant whatever come into a village

1:10:15 They hide in the village, they lob some shit at the US troops then they run away. Then the troops come in and then kill everybody in the village it's like Vietnam all over again It's like seriously Most of the experts that are familiar with the region say we should just get out Well of course we should just get out And these are academics We're not talking about you know a bunch of policy wonks here and there People who are genuinely I'm familiar with the area. Say we should get out, and I've never wondered...I always wondered about this idea for you know and i think it would have worked in Iraq too kind of George W or George the other Bush the older one kinda maybe had a 41 as we say yeah 41 he had kinda maybe had a little bit of the right idea when he invaded Iraq and then left

1:11:10 I thought it was because of his deal with the Saudis that was all about Kuwait. That was a business deal. He still had these great quotes about how you can't, getting involved would be bad and bad. It's really really bad! When they started it was shock and awe, you know that one or two days of just blowing the place to smithereens. I thought it would be like you know something is... You get into a beef with the United States we just shock and awe them for a couple days and then split! Well, you know I had my stance on that as I totally disagree we should get the fuck out of it. Yeah because you don't like the idea just throwing missiles at innocent people? No! At anybody no at anybody i'm against throwing pot lead at children But it's it was it seems to me to be a more interesting way of approaching this than going in and just dragging these things out forever

1:12:05 Well of course, but look Karzai who was a unical guy who was an oil guy Who pretends like he's some hotshot by wearing you know this cape and this fucking hat made of You know fetus, calves fetus His brother is known drug czar. Known It can't be anything but a huge scam There's no other reason to be there. Now from Huffington Post, this is one of these people you're talking about I don't know if she... Malou Innocent Great name! Malou Innocent posted yesterday. During his campaign for presidency, Barack Obama pledged to deploy more troops to Afghanistan and take the fight into Pakistan I guess he did during the second presidential debate said if we have Osama bin Laden in our sights and the Pakistani government is unable or unwilling to take them out then i think we should have to act and we will take them out! We will kill Bin Laden! We will crush Al-Qaeda that's our biggest national security priority

1:13:06 And she goes on to say, no one should be surprised the missile strikes have been launched under the new president's watch. President Obama was unequivocal in his commitment to go after Al Qaeda hiding in the hills between Afghanistan and Pakistan and of course he says is there a better approach? Yeah but he also said that read this somewhere it's like well you know the guys hold up now he clearly has no control anymore so we don't have to go after him now No, that's the... when did he say that? Not long ago. I could find it. How does this... Bush did this. Oh you know wanted dead or alive you know blah blah blah This guy is like the tallest man in the region

1:13:45 you know, and he's floating around doing videos. And so they're gonna go after him dead or alive and then what? Eight years go by and they never get close to him and they don't...you know I find the whole thing disturbing. From Times Online January 15th of course it's The Times Barrack Obama, I can't stop saying it now. Barack Obama suggested last night that removing Osama Bin Laden from the battlefield was no longer essential and that America's security goals could be achieved merely by keeping Al-Qaeda on the run." Here is the quote. My preference obviously would be to capture or kill him he said but if we have so tightened the noose that he is in a cave somewhere and can't even communicate with his operatives then we will meet our goal of protecting America So were done! I guess we could leave now He is in a cave

1:14:32 It's all set. If they've tightened the noose and he is in a cave, they at least know where he is why don't they go get him? This makes no sense! The logic of this is ridiculous Yeah but this is...this is the state of our fucking press corps dude As recently as October 7th in a presidential debate Mr Obama said we will kill Bin Laden We will crush Al-Qaeda That has to be our biggest national security priority Yesterday the president-elect adopted far less aggressive language saying his number one priority was to protect America from further attack. Well, look at the CNN video and look out for them fucking flying saucers Barrack! That's the shit I'd be worried about So in other words he should yeah we're gonna get tough and then it's not that important Yeah...I think the whole thing is a scam Well from what i understand it was actually Robert Gates the defense secretary who was staying on who um actually

1:15:29 came up with Al-Qaeda, even with the name. Well there's that special that was done by that great documentarian that the BBC uses every so often who does these... Oh yes I know what you mean. The fear documentary. A friend of mine knows the guy, yeah if you can think of his name, knows the guy and says if we go to London we can have dinner with him Really? Oh I'd love too! But we have to know his name, that would help. Like hey nice to meet you dude! Hey nice to meet ya! If I get my browser up i could find his name but anyway he's yeah it's uh...I think it's Orlowski at the register who's pals with him

1:16:11 It's like an S... Anyway, he is the one who does the voice for those documentaries. I think he has done three or four sets of them and they are fantastic! We will blog it or talk about it next week so people can watch them. Now is a time to come over by the way because you know the Germans are coming to the United Kingdom to buy BMWs Wow, things are that screwy? Yeah! Because of the pound has just collapsed. And you get the value added tax, you get that back You can claim it back when you take it back to the continent Now of course you have a left hand drive but who cares Well they could sell right hand drive ones in England Yeah but I think then you kind of lose your benefit because they are significantly more expensive and they don't really sell them here

1:17:06 And in fact, they may have... the right-hand drives may be manufactured elsewhere. I don't think they're... well in fact they are not manufacturing anything anymore All of the car companies have just closed. Just saying, oh we aren't going to produce. You know what? I see people floating around the United States with one of these right hand drive cars from England like old Rolls Royce that get them cheap That thing is the most dangerous thing in the world to drive around. You can't pass people on the open road because you can't see that they actually stick your whole car out. Well, that's not true. That's not true because when we moved here I still had my Audi A8 with a right-hand drive and honestly i'm very happy that the first year that we lived here we had that because I only had to get used to one thing which was driving on you know the correct side of the road apparently

1:17:53 Because once you get into the car, particularly a manual because my daughter has a manual stick shift and it's left-hand drive and you have to shift with your left hand. That takes little getting used too I don't know, you know. I've driven over there a lot and i've had the shifters it's never bothered me Well then what are you saying? You just have to concentrate! Yeah Then pretty soon its second nature...I think it's kind of sporty Your on the wrong side of the car with the left hand shifter your thinking like your in the grand prix or some place It just feels sporty, I dont know why Technically it is the correct side of the road yeah okay Do you know why? Tell me Because it dates back to the days of the horse

1:18:37 And if you were sundering along the road, you would want to be on the left-hand side because if an adversary came from the opposite direction, you wanted to be able to draw your sword with your right hand. Oh I thought it was so when you were going on a horse past one of your buddies that you could give them a high five with your right hand? No, I think its actually easier for the drive through. Yeah... Whatever. I know they have that, people drive on this side of the road in Hong Kong and not in China But with a right hand drive car? No they have the right cars Oh but in Jamaica and in Africa

1:19:20 They drive on the left hand side but they have right hand drive cars. Most of them. I've been there, they have the wheel on their proper side and also in Japan because a lot of cars come from Japan where they drive on the wrong side of road too and all the Japanese cars coming out of Japan are ones that are floating around Hong Kong and places like that so it's not like a big deal to get a car with steering wheel on that side of the car And Sweden used to have, I think they switched over and of course it was a problem you know the story goes in Sweden they had to make the transition slowly so when they switched over from right to left the trucks do it first week and then cars started next week after that. Last night Jonathan Ross returned... Is that like a joke you don't get? No, I didn't get it

1:20:17 Okay, ladies and gentlemen that's now it's my you yeah now you have my proof. You know what I was just wasn't listening to you Aha, I'll cop to it you lie but at least all admit it Why? You never when you're not listening to me. You just play it off like it's just you don't care, but you just weren't listening Say it again so I can listen to it. Please, please... They had to transition from the right hand side of the road to the left hand side of the road So they wanted to do it in an orderly fashion For the first week trucks switched over and then for the second week cars switched over. Very funny. Robin Williams Steven Fry was on Jonathan Ross last night who reappeared after a 12-week forced absence for being naughty on the radio

1:21:08 You know who Stephen Fry is? Yeah. Right, right that was a big scandal The guy's making four million dollars a year or something like that on the BBC off the taxpayers back Well at the time he was I think it was making more I think it was more like six million pounds but of course now that's probably four million dollars so yeah Anyway, his guest Tom Cruise was on. It was interesting But Stephen Fry who does and I like him even more than I already liked him for a number of reasons So this you know This was a highly anticipated show so a lot of people watched I'm sure and he does documentaries but he's done some very famous ones about America And it was so nice to finally hear an Englishman say something nice about America and it was really great You know He was like

1:21:54 And this was the point that he hammered home which I really liked. He said, in America they have a saying which is only in America when someone comes up with some crazy invention or some fantastic idea or something that's just wow you know whoever would've thought of that then Americans say yep like Don King uh...of course only in america. But in Britain whenever somethings fucked-up when you have to stand in line where the weather is shit people always say only in britain! Like that is indeed the essence and he said one more thing which is great uh... he promoted twitter on the show which was really a p came out all wrong because of course when you try to explain twitter to someone no one gets it uh... any is on twitter and has been tweeting his uh... his travels but that was kind of cool this year at the see that big uh... a big plug for for twitter that was pretty awesome good for him you should watch some of these document there was some of documentaries they're really really quite good particularly about the u s does another one

1:22:54 called, it was on the other night called America Unchained. And this guy his idea was to drive from the west coast to the east coast without eating or getting gas at a chain outfit And it was a very challenging journey, let me tell you. Well it is on the main drags that's true. But if you get off of those... I've driven across the country and if you get off the interstates and go on the old US highway system which is still intact mostly Which is what he did absolutely Yeah then there are plenty places to eat and tons of places that are not necessarily changed Now it is more difficult with gasoline in some parts The gasoline was the hardest part Finding diners and stuff like that was relatively easy

1:23:41 Yeah, no the gasoline... because it's like what is not a chain? And how do you have a gas station that is not a chain. Even if you go to Costco as part of a chain I mean I don't know how you can be honest about how you could make it He did it! There was one time when he had to fill up at a chain Because he literally ran out of gas, but yeah he did it. He went all the way from... in fact he drove I think 6,000 miles because he wanted to also go to every town named Independence in America and there's quite a few particularly in the Midwest so we drove a lot more and a lot longer But it was beautiful to see you know when you see what I believe is real America

1:24:23 with mom and pop stores. It was just a beautiful day. I'll get you copy because i recorded it, I think I can spin off onto a disc somehow. Yeah bring it over. I think you'd like it yeah. What else are you gonna bring over? You're coming over to this site Monday. Where we eating my bro? Well, the trend right now and I think we're going to explore these things is these Peruvian restaurants that are the trendy San Francisco thing. There's about four of them or five and I think it'd be worth checking out. I went to one during Macworld with Callie Lewis and her husband. How was that?

1:25:04 It was good. They're nice, aren't they? Yeah I know but I'm looking for confirmation basically No no they are extremely pleasant people And you know, they're into what they're doing and they are doing a fine job. But anyways we went to this place which is one of the trendier of the Peruvian places and it's a lot of ceviche made with all kinds of fish that I never thought would make it that way and its called something else and they have a lot of these dishes that are one thing and called another. I was in Peru and I never noticed this kind of food at all. It must be resort food or something like that but I don't know what the genesis is for all of them. We aren't going to go to the restaurant you already went too.

1:25:45 Yeah, sure. Okay so but I don't just want to do let's not just do we certainly should have dinner twice because i'm leaving...I made a mistake in my email on leaving Saturday not Sunday yeah okay So I can do Tuesday Wednesday Thursday and Friday night The problem with you is like uh is on Tuesday There are lot of problems with me John but feel free to point one or two out You're kind of fagged out For the first two or three days that you're here and you're like if we go to dinner at 5 It's too late. No, that's only the first day I'll be fine. I'll be fine. I'm well rested. I'm into it. I'm good

1:26:26 I can't wait for you to come over here. I want you to come over here, man! I'm a Londoner now. I've got all the fresh places... All these small little... The butcher, there's the fish guy, there's the vegetable guy It's all these independent stores that have been around for 40 years You'll love it This area by the way You know Samuel Pepys? Peppy. Oh yeah, he lived here! I thought it was peeps Well its P-E-P-Ys, I thought it was Peppy uh whatever It says peeps But he lived here In your house No not in this house, but a very famous person lived in this house Im not going to mention him on the air because I dont want people to know where I live Ill tell you off the air

1:27:08 Very famous in fact some of what he did. He has done in this house, which is we've not you'll love this story I'm sorry just I'm not gonna tell it on the air You'll love the story when I tell that to you because he has easier He has done his work in this house and no one fucking knew it This is like a landmark And it's not recognized Jagger know but I will tell you that right in front of our door in 1970 maybe was 69 The who? their van was stolen with their equipment and it showed up right near the house here, with all the equipment gone. Five thousand pounds worth of gear so there's some rock-and-roll history but no this guy is from 1800s late 1800s. Mick Jagger? Yes, bada boom! But this entire area of Clapham Battersea and to a certain extent Brixton

1:28:02 In the 1960s, when the Black Death was in London everyone fled London if they could because eventually at a certain point around 62-63 they locked up London. You couldn't get across The Thames and everyone fled out here to be safe from The Black Plague It's very interesting history I think you'll enjoy it if you come over Yeah now I get over there Sure No, I will because actually now either you know this almost now is given a gun done caught Hey look. I got miles although I can give you miles on my virgin Atlantic Yeah, I take them you probably got lots of miles by now yeah in fact to Help with the credit crunch. I'm now buying coach and upgrading with miles That's same thing well what do you mean? It's the same thing oh

1:28:55 I mean, you're still in first class. Right! Yeah right but what i'm saying is that I am no longer paying for... Oh you were actually buying first-class tickets? Upper class. Crap load of miles. Well back in the day when everyone had tons of money it was okay but now we've all got to be careful. Except Obama redecorating his place for a hundred grand and the $170 million dollar inauguration sure except for those minor points Was it 170 million to do that? That's what I heard. 150-170, yeah... Someone even calculated the carbon footprint which is like bigger than a whole coal installation. Carbon footprint! There was like 525 million tons of CO2 or whatever So well i don't think we got to any good topics today What are you talking about?! Well first of all you came to the party with nothing This is right I've been driving this ship

1:29:56 So, you know what do you mean no good topics? I just get the feeling that if compared to last week's show Which I think we were pounding the ball out of the park. You know We got like says that there's kind of a boring show. I think we should start it over Everybody welcome to the Obama station of the nation its ace a to the C here in Southwest London JCB How are you doing everybody buddy come on in

1:30:32 By the way, I've got a...I recorded a family guy for you where Brian becomes a DJ. Oh great! Have you ever seen this one? No, I haven't oh that's great This is the funniest one because they got these two boneheads that are just all they do is play jingles. You would love this particular episode because it shows It has all the stuff you like, you think is funny. I saw Wayne's World 2 the other day... You've probably never seen Wayne's World 2? I never even knew it existed! Oh yeah oh yeah That was one, I don't know if she was in two because I only saw a little bit of it but basically Wayne and Garth go to promote their concert

1:31:16 Maybe it was one, now I don't know. Maybe it was one! And they go to a radio station and the guy is interviewing them and its exactly the way it works so they're talking and he's basically turning around fiddling with the carts you know that's old fashioned jingle system basically 8 track cartridges and he's going like uh huh yeah uh huh and so their talking and just makes these listening noises You hear all this rambling, and then all of a sudden it's like pew! A gunshot. Oh yeah they're coming closer! Yeah okay good what'd you say? And it is so spot on... It is exactly what Top 40 used to be because now we don't even have that sad type of radio anymore now that its all

1:32:01 Clear channel all the radio companies all these big ones you can buy them now for 18 cents a share. It's all bankrupt it's all it's all gonna go away I think we yeah, and I've did but I talked to you before by that fact that we should own a radio station But you thought it was a bad idea because you know its People just don't tune in that way anymore That's why I think I think the newspaper column I think you know I think I want to do that here in the UK because that's still kind of where people get their in there info from And I could plug this show, and it could play. Yeah, I did put the show in...I was in the Financial Times a couple weeks back. In the money. You played the show? Yeah! Yeah. Daily source code no agenda The guy didn't really report nice guys The guy he does weekly podcast of the Financial Times Mike his shows like beer Matt radio or something He's kind of he's not really a typical financial times type guy But he wrote it wrote a nice column little interview you know about

1:32:56 about what I'm doing, but at zero. I heard no one say anything about it nothing not an email nothing yeah i'm always that's actually something that uh you know I don't know if the public understands completely but if you do a lot of this kind of stuff you know whether it's writing or tv or radio you get you get a you'll get some feedback from the public at large sometimes And it's always usually, sometimes it's surprising and then other times you do something you think is going to get a lot of attention and you get nothing. Crickets! Oh, you were on that? I didn't know. No. Well, I was gonna say like Leo Laporte's twit is like a good example of something that has a huge wide audience in fact...I use that platform occasionally just solicited clothing

1:33:46 and uh... right now it sounds silly but is a bit of what i'm talking about his football um... like a football team wins the championship by put their word out right right now who do you think that they are going to get on my delayed in your studies and uh... another thing should do you get nothing effect at when i was doing uh... when i say we're still do this not as much as i used to but market watch when they were owned by cbs they used to have this show called money some rather and was on any huge audience, huge. And I would do the show once in a while and there was only one person that ever saw me do it and it was my pharmacist who's like 90. It was on Sino because they showed at weird hours. Then they got sold to Dow Jones and I started doing CNBC which by comparisons talking to an audience of five million to an audience of 45 thousand

1:34:43 But the CNBC audience is like guys watching 24-7. They're all in the stock market thing, they're all... I got more feedback! Yeah. Like oh you were on there? You were on there from guy after guy after guy and i'm thinking this is interesting because sometimes what you think as a big effect it's just nothing. A dud. Well I've seen this throughout my entire career The duds but When in the early days in the Netherlands when we only had two television stations state-run and I would do my show on it was Thursday later with Sunday first of a Sunday evening, I think you know the art It was literally it was 35% market share. You know like huge audience so just millions and millions of people

1:35:31 And nine times out of ten, you know you think this is oh man people are gonna love this show and nothing! The numbers were there. People watched it but just nothing and then You do something typically when the numbers the ratings would be lower and you get all kinds of feedback It's...you can't pin anything down on it. You have no idea how it works I think it's a targeting So if you got to right person targeted to the right audience you'll get a lot of feedback And it doesn't have to be a large audience, just has to be the right audience. It's like right targeting. This is narrow casting and I think you have a bigger effect that's just my guess but then this seems to be the case. Like with the Twit thing Leo's got... there's nobody who would possibly listen to that show at all unless they were interested in one thing only

1:36:23 It's not like broadcasting in any way. And I think with our show, it's a little bit like that except we're more of a general interest podcast. So although I get a lot of feedback from this... We have enough people now even though people should help us get a bigger audience. Yes you should and get me more followers on Twitter! I've only got seven or seven-and-a-half thousand or something. I need more because i'm starting to use it more and really does work well then thats the complaint about you You don't use it that much. I use it all the time now! Okay, well you're using it more... I'm tweeting So anyway the point is that I get people coming up to me and I still find this peculiar since I've been writing for PC Magazine for 25 years and at some point the audience was 2 or 3 million people

1:37:11 I still have people that just discover me only from these podcasts. They say, I love you on Twit and No Agenda is fantastic! And they don't know me from anything else. It's like it's a complete... You know? Like i just showed up. My theory about that is that you have this audience that essentially stems from the tech TV days which was a very rabid community Yeah, very small but rabid. Yeah well I you know so 250 thousand is yeah it's large for us but if...I think that's probably what the audience was if you know at Tech TV? It was smaller than that? 50! 50 thousand? Yeah But also it's about a topic that a lot of people are in here In general This Week in Tech is supposed to be about tech and and like when you have a great episode by the way with

1:38:10 Jordi LaForge. We used to have the same agent. Seems like a nice guy, very nice guy and he does a lot of stuff man not just the Star Trek stuff but you know the Reading Rainbow has been doing that for a long time. You know but it's interesting for Look at how many iPhones are out there. Anyone with an iPhone who likes iPhone apps is going to be interested in Twit because eventually something will fly by, you know? That makes total sense to me I think the audience is limited and I think the impact that you have on the world in general is zero You know it's chewing gum but its great chewing gum! Absolutely! Yeah now I think there's no impact whatsoever In fact the impact you get from print media has always been It's always been more noticeable

1:39:01 I used to be able to monetize, and I'd never monetized it for my own benefit. But in the heyday, I could write just a two or three sentence thing plugging a specific product in InsideTrack and I would get ahold of the vendor and I'd want to track sales. The sales bump they'd get? In the heyday half a million. Half a million dollar sales bump instantly was actually quite interesting Dave Weiner was harping on you yesterday, which is kind of interesting. What did he say? Well I saw these... because I follow him on Twitter and I saw all these Twitters. Some journalist or someone said something nasty about him, typical... And of course he won't write about who said what He wont point to it God knows what it was But he was saying there are two types Actually I should read the blog post to be factual There are two types of journalists

1:39:58 Actors and non-actors. I'll read it, you're probably looking at it right now but read it in journalism There's a big difference between the actors and the non actors The actors are trying to create an effect You're not hearing what they really think you're hearing what they want you to think They're thinking Non-actors try to play it straight They want to communicate their ideas accurately And persuasively and strive to find better and better ways to do that It is true in journalism and equally true in blogging To explain the idea to a journalist friend, I thought of two people who he would be likely to know. Two extreme examples Scott Rosenberg and John Dvorak

1:40:36 So I continue reading? Yeah, like I said my browser's not up so I can't read this. Rosenberg is the former managing editor of Salon Film Critic at the SF Examiner. Dvorak is a long-time tech columnist. I read him 30 years ago in InfoWorld then PCMag now he's a blogger and podcaster which is incorrect because you're still right Rosenberg and Dvorak are very different sorts of reporters. In person, check it out John in person Dvorak is a gentleman and really nice thoughtful guy on the web and in his podcast I guess this one or maybe its Tech 5 he's an actor playing the role of a cranky thoughtless clown

1:41:17 In this video thoughtful Dvorak explains Dvorak the actor, you know which video that is right? Yeah, I have crazy video that about the Mac about Apple. Yeah yeah And then he goes on to say Rosenberg on the other hand if you met him in person would be the same and say The same things in his online persona. I disagree with that because well Maybe I'm just seeing John the actor but you act the same around me in person as you do on this show Now, what he's doing is basing that entire theory on that one McIntosh goading the McIntosh community incident.

1:41:56 I don't want to hear that audio is too shitty anyway, sorry. Yeah it's a we had a cheap camera he just re-shoot that but anyway the reacted please John that's the point if it's that you know there's the element did that way he expresses it is that you do some I when I do cranky geeks and I'm get orked about something I'm not, not irked. There's a lot of things that really irk me and you've heard me go on these rants and it's not really an acting job as much...I am very sincere about these rants now when i'm kidding around about that Macintosh thing that's a different story but that's like out my body of work its so minor that I can't uh... you know I don't do...minors generalizing in a funny way at least he gave me a compliment for being a gentleman

1:42:48 Well, you know the stuff you said about... But your right. No your right he doesn't that's just Weiner doing his thing. I'm not going to paraphrase you it's okay all right yes? About what? Paraphrasing me about what? Now what you said the other day that doesn't matter it was private conversation People hate it when I do that. Yeah, they do. You're gonna get letters but... Oh! It would be nice to get one you know at MTV? I used to actually get letters before email and there were sacks and sacks of mail in my dressing room There used to be a lot more mail during the like just before the email thing became super popular which I would kind of pin down around the year 2000

1:43:37 I used to get lots of press releases, loaded with mail and then one day it just disappeared. I don't get a press release in the mail now. No? Well...I don't think i've seen one. That's progress! I think that's kind of progress but I really miss the old days when you go on MTV and say hey send me a naked picture and lo and behold they would show up The audio guy Rick Kellman was a good friend of mine Sometimes he'd say, hey man could you just do audio and I can go take a shit? Because I had the only dressing room nearby with a toilet. So I would be doing audio in the booth and then he would open up my mail and literally 10-12 postal sacks full! And it was just amazing to see stuff that people would send in. I kept some of it...and cakes and brownies and other things that I wouldn't eat. Yeah, you don't want to eat stuff sent to your food. Not a good idea

1:44:32 I didn't think it was boring, John. I thought it was a really good show personally Okay well we'll have to let the readers decide But you might want to prepare for next week? We have no agenda! I got the one note that I made Where is it? What IS your one note?! That I can find out who that BBC documentarian is The guy with the voice... It's something with a P... I get it, I get it He has done many good documentaries Even David Ike Quotes him a lot for the work. He does my David I can't your friend We should go have lunch with him. I'm sure he'd love to maybe yeah, we can get them We can ask him why he uses the pen name dick Yeah D dot ICK II I don't know All right all right all right so coming to you from the curry terrace famous

1:45:38 for its escape route out of death-ridden London. In Gitmo Nation East, I'm Adam Curry. John C. Dvorak here in Northern Silicon Valley also known as Gitmo Nation West at least for the moment until Obama changes it We'll talk again next week right here on NO Agenda