Droves of Jihadis

00:00 When we're in trouble, I expect help from the chat room. Adam Curry John C. Dvorak It's Thursday May 22nd 2014 it's time for your Gitmo Nation Media Assassination Episode 619-ER This is no agenda Podcasting from tomorrow for the last time on the Hot Pocket Wasabi Tour and Love Hotel in the morning everybody, I'm Adam Curry. And podcasting from the past in Detroit Michigan, I am John C. DuBois. That's right. This is the only podcast that is Broadcasting on two different days simultaneously Yeah in the future and in the present are actually the past. That's right I'm not I'm actually in a town called Yip Salanti, which is known by the locals as yips Yip salanti

00:50 Yeah, which is just outside of Ann Arbor. Okay so I'm in still in Tokyo Japan this is the last night we'll be here it is 1212 a.m and after the show and the post-production everything will go to bed for few hours then we will leave for Narita Airport to fly back to the Travis Heights hideout John is in outside Ann Arbor Michigan you said? yeah between Ann Arbor and Detroit And it's a very interesting experience being around here. I'm sitting on, and might as well mention this, I want to thank Merit Networks for...I'm actually sitting on a fiber which is maybe the biggest in Michigan. Essentially on this connection I am 100 up and 100 down. Our connection right now between the two of us is not the problem? No

01:44 I've had other issues just to get all this started. Now, are you in a hotel room or you work someone's office? Actually they...I told that was...I gave a speech today to this group which is a fantastic operation I might add. They essentially... Wait wait wait did the check clear? Yeah! Fantastic operation yes great outfit. Fantastic operation so they Anyway, they I asked him. Yeah, I was that we ran a meetup and we're having another no agenda meet up tonight Oh great anyone who's listening in the Michigan airing car? I think it's gonna be at the rusty bucket in Plymouth at around 737 to 730 Okay Anyway this kind of little business or so don't email everybody The show on Saturday why just hop into the In fact, I got an email from

02:39 from one of our producers here. It's like, hey I hope you're...I hear you're in Tokyo! Yeah? I can't wait to meet ya! Are you doing a Meetup?" Like okay yeah he says no i'm i'm a few shows behind see this is exactly this is exactly what happens. I know we just tell people not to well you can't think about it but that's what's going to happen when I get back to California I'm gonna get a bunch of people saying that they wanted to meet up Anyway, so I'm actually in a boardroom where they dropped me...where I got an Ethernet direct connection. But the problem is this board room is where they're having a conference

03:17 And and the conference they have these meeting rooms all around me, and every time it lets out about once every hour It's just it's a cacophony of people yakking in the hall. I may come through on the show Is it one of those glass conference rooms where everyone sees you sitting there? No no this is closed yeah alright, yeah and But I have to say, I've been to a lot of different events but this thing that these guys do. Now tell me exactly what is this event? It's just amazing! It's like...I don't even know what they call it They have different names for each day but Merit Network puts on this event for its members which are mostly school districts and it turns out that Michigan has apparently thousands of school districts and lots of schools

04:05 colleges more than you think. I mean, right in the area right in just outside of this town is...I'm driving to Ann Arbor on a back road and so there's the big giant University of Michigan Stadium which is in Ann Arbor but it wasn't was the Eastern Michigan University, Eastern Michigan Stadium and there's just like school after school that I've never heard of whatever the case although I've heard of Eastern Michigan they have they bring all these guys into discuss current security issues, internet... Cyber! Cyber Jon. Are you doing a cyber conference? And the most interesting guy so far has been this is guys this guy Haldeman from University of Michigan who apparently University of Michigan has something going on in their computer science department called the censorship resistance movement

04:58 And they spend a lot of time dreaming up kind of screwball protocols and things that you can use to bypass censorship mechanisms around the world. They keep experimenting with these things, and they've got one now they think works. Isn't the main thing proxies? Yeah but the problem is if you get a proxy, say your a proxy guy in China using a proxy in China, Chinese just shut down their proxies You know, they find them first. Of course you can get some stuff from... Yeah and you got to find them it's a it seems easier than using a proxy from what I understand and I have spoken to a number of people here in fact getting YouTube here at times is very problematic particularly Russia today the Chinese or the Japanese and the Russians that they don't like each other

05:51 So you can't get, oh that's funny. Yeah so whenever I've been trying to look at some Russia Today stuff very hard to get to it and then i flip on the proxy and boom yeah I'm good to go Well, they have...the technique they're using is proxyless on the recipient side. So you don't use a proxy. You just have like this piece of code that is being updated on our...this is for extreme censorship not the casual Japanese stuff if you want to get into Saudi Arabia. And they have it so there's a tag in the header that is very, uh...it's encrypted. It doesn't really mean anything but when it's received by the ISP on the other side of the ocean Right. ...It triggers an OK and reroutes their IP address or whatever you're looking for to come with different IP addresses and encrypted

06:45 So you can sneak stuff around and it's very interesting. And you were at this conference to tell everybody that the internet as they know it is fucked, and nothing is going to be good? Yeah I got a huge cheer! This was your new speech right? Yeah, my new speech which says everything is bad. And so it went over well? And actually then the people that were in the room I essentially this speech condemned them all This always works It always works Yeah no they loved it Did you get any In The Mornings anyone there? There's actually quite a few fans in the audience Oh good Which I thought was interesting Not to mention the people that went to the meetup

07:28 Right, of course. There's a group too and I do have some storage when we have a donation from one of them that resulted in very funny story how good But it just generally speaking this area Detroit I recommend people visit it just to go driving around because Detroit is the weirdest place I've ever seen It's impossible to catch him with just simple pictures you actually have to experience it It is a desolation of some sort that, the downtown's fine because they've essentially torn down everything that's bad and then they rebuilt most of it. They got lot of cool stuff there but the outskirts, not even really the outskirts but just outside at the center town and then further and further out its the weirdest thing because you could look at it I would take a lot of pictures

08:17 In a there's a forum called of ruination photography, which is I'm apparently a member of now You go around and you see these these just huge beautiful apartment buildings that were built in like 1915 or 1925 that kind of era stuff and it's just abandoned and just Abandoned. It's just like there's nothing there as in the end These are the the buildings that you can buy for a buck as long as you pay the taxes and fix it up Turns out that buying this stuff for a buck is easier said than done. But yeah, these are the kind of buildings you can buy but then again then you're screwed on some other basis because of the back taxes and I talked to some people yesterday about this as I was touring one of the areas and about... The real key to success to fix all this is that the banks, if you have property in it sitting there somebody's got to pay property tax. Right? Yeah exactly

09:13 If the banks had to pay the property tax because they now own it, because people walked from the deal. Because they just left a place and abandoned it but the banks aren't paying those taxes Because they've written themselves out of the law, so they don't have to pay the taxes on all this property they're accumulating. Well why not? I mean, they own us, they rule us that are our slave masters. Why would they have to pay taxes? That makes no sense. It makes sense to me. Yeah well that would be crazy... And Jamie Dimon wasn't he just in Detroit with a hundred million dollar investment probably buying up some property Yeah, but it's probably gonna be downtown. I don't think they're buying up too much out the outskirts Most of the downtown is owned by pretty much one company They also own the Detroit Tigers and then they own a bunch of buildings and they own lot in the downtown And you could make it guess who it is But she'd never guessed Little Caesars pizza pizza Pizza Pizza The family that owns little Caesars owns most of downtown Detroit Wow yeah

10:16 And they own the Tigers, and Tiger Stadium if anybody likes baseball. This is one beautiful place! It's like they got giant tiger statues out in front growling at you it's just astonishing what a pretty park that is but anyway so I talked about this with Mimi and some of the locals about the feeling you get when you're in these areas that are just literally abandoned. It's a bit like The Ninth Ward post-Katrina idea maybe? You know, the Ninth Ward is more of a disaster area. There's three kinds of things there's the disaster and I've been to the Ninth Ward after the disaster as we on the Hot Pockets tour right? And you go through there and you see all this and you see people trying

11:00 catch, you know they're trying to rebuild. This is different and this you know they like to call it blight but this isn't blight. Blight is also different. Blight is an area that's just crap and people are living there. This is like a ghost town It's got this ghost town feeling. There is nobody around in many of these places and if there are, they're just stragglers who yell at you if they see you taking pictures but it's like being in a ghost town. Hey! You white privileged man, get off my lawn Pretty much, but this ghost town idea is you know if you go to a modern ghost or some of the newer ghost towns that have been completely abandoned there's always one or two people living there still and that's kind of like what the way this isn't some parts of this town. But it's Ghost Town not Blight and it's just like weirdly pathetic and creepy and you keep thinking to yourself

11:54 What other places could this happen to? Because the population... Travis Heights, Austin Texas. I'm thinking the same thing New York City would be the best but if you take a city that went for-I think there's like 2.2 million people here and then when everyone abandoned the city during it took a little while It wasn't overnight it began uh.. I thought it began in the 60s with the riots But now I'm looking at that I went to the Packard factory yesterday to look... As in the old car Packard? Yes, the factory is still there. Oh nice! It's a mess of course it's completely gutted and it's in ruins and they're caught on fire I mean but the thing is mile by a mile it is a giant mess and now I have a movie up post on it and that closed in 1958

12:51 it started to decay and that's when it all began, when they started abandoning these car factories. And the Packard factory may be the initial... So it took this long to get where it is which means it's not going to reverse that fast. It has to be rebuilt from scratch essentially the whole area so it's a long process it seems to me to get to this abandonment and I think it could happen in San Francisco I think it could happen in Chicago. Cool! You'll be there to report on everything that takes place, yeah exactly love it But once you get outside and go back into the Ann Arbor places like that so its fine but How about Chrysler HQ? I used to have Chrysler as a client back in the 90's We actually built one of those first dealer network kind of websites and was called

13:42 I think we had a name for it, of course. Like web mechanic or something. It was one of the really...the first dealer locators and then the Mopar parts and all this. And we would go to headquarters and it was kind of at that point even in mid-90's things were dire in Detroit But the headquarters was one of those glass buildings and they had all the really big like Star Trek chairs everywhere, a really old school Motor City if you will. You know what I mean? Yeah well the building that fits that bill is the General Motors Building which is still downtown Detroit and it's beautiful Right

14:20 And it's huge, it's big buildings. There's General Motors in the top and all the factories that still make cars or at least piece them together from parts made in Mexico are still on the outskirts of town. I mean Lansing and Detroit and places like that... Or not Detroit but Dearborn But Detroit itself, which did I guess have the Packard factory and a couple other. And there's a lot of industrial...I mean, I don't even know what these places are that I ran into one a couple days ago is huge again mile long facility that is just all bricks they made these things out of bricks it's just like

14:57 If you've been to the mill area in New Hampshire where they all these abandoned mills because it was a big production facility, there were production facilities there for making clothes and things and material. And they're just all abandoned. This is the same thing on steroids. These buildings are massive. It's weird. I recommend people come out here. So essentially you're kind of living in Atlas Shrugged is what you're saying? Yeah, I get to do it! By Ayn Rand. Essentially... It's definitely a trip, I have to say If you're a photographer, it's just a dream come true if you like such a romanticist Don't let Mickey hear it Oh she'd love it She would go crazy taking pictures Well we went crazy tonight here in Tokyo

15:57 And I don't think this was around last when you were last in Tokyo many people have told me about it But we went to the robot bar. Okay, are you familiar with this? No and I definitely did not see that oh man This is and it's one of these things kind of in a way It's like what you're describing with the buildings where he doesn't really translate in a photograph kind of like how the Grand Canyon doesn't translate The robot bar, you have to think it's a cross between... First of all you're on ACID. I don't know if you've ever done ACID? I think you might have but you wouldn't admit to it and I've never done it but I've been DMT some say it's close to that so it's an acid trip and it's like your in Vegas but its a show and the show is Russia's opening up the Winter Olympics with robots

16:57 And hot chicks. That would be very hard to imagine. Just Google Robot Bar Tokyo so you can see some pictures and of course Sir Mark and Dame Astrid took us even, and these people they've been so nice and so gracious as hosts besides you know Dame Astrid letting us have her pied-a-terre You know, they have a big pitch tomorrow and like oh no we're gonna take you gotta go to the robot bar. And it was the most bizarre experience either Mickey or...and of course you know they have audience participation and they got like robots boxing and stuff as were coming in the guy at the door goes ah! Ah! You want to fight robot?

17:41 And, uh... Oh! Pretty tall girl want to fight robot. And Mickey's like no I don't wanna do it and he goes yes you do, yes you do and Mark and I are like yeah she does and we got the best seats of course because you know you get seat number 100 so right in the middle perfect positioning but this is it was really high fidelity really low tech And it was like a modern-day circus. Anyone who's been to the Robot Bar in Tokyo will know what I'm talking about, but I wish I could explain how it is...how it works and what it is but its unexplainable other than...inexplicably really other than it was just an insane experience. It looks like a party! I mean look at the photos, pretty cool. And everything's gaffer tape and plastic but it looks super real. It's just hard to explain

18:34 Yeah, that's the same kind of thing you have to some of these things are a lot of things around the world that you have to actually go with it. You just got to do it! You gotta do it! And even virtual...you could take Google Maps and then get Street View and drive around Detroit. You could see a lot of this stuff but it's still not the same because there is an atmosphere that's hard to describe I can imagine Well, this is wow what an international show we have here John. I'm well and then on top of that so i met this event to listen to these this is one of the best events i've ever been because the speakers are so interesting including the year the guy this morning from the EU going on about the Council of Europe and all this bullcrap it was unbelievable those are the guys that really run the show The Council Of Europe

19:25 Well, that's the I know. I think the European Council runs the show and then they can't help Europe which is there council of your no No That's the business association The Council of Europe is that notice this human rights organization? Okay, it's so confusing Hey by the way everyone's voting today. Yeah today the EU Parliamentary vote starts and it goes it's a three-day party So everyone in Europe is supposed to go out and vote Good for them. Yeah, do whatever you do don't vote for those right-wing Nazi parties! No because what will happen? Like UKIP and Freedom Party in Holland and Le Pen in France... Don't vote for them they're all neo-nazis Talking about neo-nazis so concurrent with the event I'm at there is a law enforcement event

20:12 And it's all, the whole thing is focused on sobriety home arrest and they've got all the tracking devices here. Everyone's pitching I went in chatted with these guys are all pitching their device or your little ankle to the ankle bracelet. They've all got this. Here's them looking at this press release. Oh, the Lindsay Lohan jewelry? Yeah, Soberlink SL2. There's all these things. I love it! Soberlink SL2. We here at Soberlink think that we have the perfect device to deter your customer from leaving their area. Well the Soberlink SL2 is the monitoring device so it's different than the ankle bracelet. This is the rugged one-piece mobile alcohol monitoring device that measures breath alcohol content

21:01 by collecting deep lung breath samples. Yes, I'm looking at their webpage right now This is interesting, listen to this. The SL2 incorporates adaptive facial recognition evidentiary grade fuel cell technology and multiple acquisition technologies to ensure the client is accurately... Clientified and tested. Hello? Client. ...tests are properly reported in a central monitoring computer system via cellular connection so essentially you got to be breathing into this thing all day. Isn't that great it has a little webcam It has a... Because they don't want, like if I'm the drunk and I'm supposed to be breathing this thing. I can't give it to you to breathe into so that's why you need the facial recognition now You could use one of those masks picture yourself That is great! It has tempered detection sensors high-resolution camera DOT grade fuel cell nice in a little tube

21:56 Little tube to blow although if you brush your teeth and use mouthwash apparently these things get set off Oh, yeah. You can't do that you have a bad breath Yeah one of my friends I'm reliably informed This is a very it is a hideous thing and it's a and it runs on Verizon There you go. Which means you gotta pay that bill too. Oh yeah, no you have to pay rental for the device You have to pay for the service The monthly service Uh...You have to pay for the thing to be installed And it's run by Mothers Against Drunk Driving So I've gone through, there's a bunch of these booths and they have all kinds of different things. And of course I took pens from everybody and there's one product called The Atom which I got the pen, I'm sending it to you. It says atom on it. It's the automated detection and monitoring or something like that. Yeah, of course they'd have an acronym for me wouldn't they? Yeah, of course! So I'm going to each one of these booths that self-driving cars are gonna put you guys out of business

23:00 Oh, well you know it's funny you say that. I was in the show notes which is a little discombobulated today there was... let me see if i can find this... A really good story About the self-driving car and the story is you know I have, I'm skeptical about this self driving car business anyway. But when you think about how much money municipalities and cities and states make on traffic violations... Yeah no they're done there all the cities are done yeah And so this Google, the Google Car apparently has now driven 700 thousand miles without a single traffic violation

23:38 Yeah, well yeah no traffic cops. Yeah well this will never happen so this thing will never get its permission it's not going to happen no way Well there is that you can make that argument because that would be exactly what I if i was in the city I Would not allow the cars to exist It was a slash thought story here it is I got your driverless cars could cripple law enforcement budgets Yeah, great they should most cops they don't do policing They just give you traffic tickets There would be no traffic tickets. There would be no traffic police there'd be know any all this stuff would be gone the infrastructure the whole thing and Now if you want to drive by if you want to drive by the hookers, how does that work? You program it into that doesn't know how to slow down and do the cruise

24:24 I don't know. That's a good question, we have to figure that one out Or how about just cruising for gay boys? Does it have a cruise mode? Well it could stop you, you could say stop Stop car! Stop! Okay Google, stop Oh my god Two days ago We were in the Takashita street Which is where all the Japanese schoolgirls are No three days ago Well, the Japanese hanging out there for some reason well Mickey wanted to take pictures and by the way when you read the name The sign it looks like take shit. Uh but anyway that's just me And and there are not a lot of gaijin like foreigners in Tokyo We kind of stick out and if you see someone else who's a bitch you do clearly not Japanese they stick I am there were these woman and man boy and girl and probably mid-mid 30s maybe

25:16 And he was a glasshole with the blue, powder-blue Google Glass and they were just kind of hanging out. And we walked past them and of course Mickey now like... Pfft! Glasshole! And then they showed up in the robot bar tonight All dressed up and... Oh, that's so... Yeah. That's Japanese intelligence they're following you. I know but they were not... They're American! I think... Oh CIA is following you? No, I think it's like Vice magazine or doing some kind of documentary Japan through glass or some bullcrap like..I could just smell them There was the...they were up to no good. I didn't like it at all Hey can I give you a few last

25:59 Japanese impressions before or impressions of Japan I should say some things that I've noticed within things that happened before we move on to Other real matters. Yeah, the pressing matters Yes first of all Paul McCartney was supposed to perform here yeah And he first he delayed his it was supposed to do two nights He delayed one and then he wound up canceling The two gigs because he had the norovirus The Noro, yeah. Yeah, but Noro only lasts two days there's no reason to do that but okay well you know he showed up last minute and you know then was not like the Rolling Stones who show up ten days ahead of time and get acclimated

26:43 So he showed up last minute, got sick and then on the day of this event. Yeah well then you can't do it exactly. It's horror I've had Noro actually everyone in the family most people have had it. It's a poopitout.com. It's pooping and puke. Yay! And it is miserable and it lasts about two days max but if your Paul McCartney why do you admit to that? I mean anything but I'm pukin' and pooping that just not a good vibe for You don't want to think about the beetle pooping and pukin'. No, no. It's not that I can't- Yeah it was like broke my arm... you know something- gotta have something cool! Skateboard accident anything. Yeah skiing accident is always my favorite. Now here's something very annoying we're We're here in Tokyo and of course were using Mickey's iPhone with Google Maps And um and Mickey uses Google Maps or I think maybe Apple Maps? Google Maps but the same with Apple Maps

27:39 When you're using it in Tokyo, it goes upside down. So unlike... we're driving in Texas and you know... And north is north and you going into direction? You going into the... yes! Your heads up, direction UP. Right, direction up. In here its direction down and you can't change it. It's that what you have to literally turn the phone upside down Yeah, because you're not used to that. But why? Why is it doing this? It must be some cultural thing... No! Because uh... Nanami... You'd think it would be sideways. Hey John good one. Astrid's daughter she was also complaining about it. She said yeah I know I have the same thing on my maps and all her friends these kids are kids these kids know this

28:38 Hey, and I got the new cool hip kid app. What all the kids are using is Line. Are you familiar with it? Line? L-I-N-E? L-I-N-E That's what all the cool kids are using here. So they asked if you wanted a line? Is that what the cool kids were doing? Instead of WhatsApp they use Line Okay Yeah And well pay attention this will be the next thing someone will buy for 10 billion dollars If all the Asians are on it And of course I install it and immediately everybody in my contacts gets spammed. Line me! Line, yeah... Um, I did a ham contact. I took the KX-3, my mobile rig which we went to Akihabara, I think i told you about that We went there to get my little connector that I left at home and then I took the rig into the park strung up an antenna

29:37 Half over some... I was kind of in the corner of the park, The Empress Park. And uh..I was doing this CW contact. I got a QSO going with Japanese ham who is very confused. Because i'm just using my US call He's like you know can't believe how strong your signal is! And and I was kind of sitting on the leg in technology. I was sitting on the ledge and a cop and the cop comes over

30:13 And he's like, ah! I'm like oh man. I'm busted because of course you know...I didn't get the paperwork to do this stuff. Officially you have to fill out paperwork six months in advance to get some permission. Oh yeah it's not in every country but in Japan you do. Okay then yeah. But he comes over and I'm busted. He said no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no Was sitting I was disrespectful for me to be sitting he didn't he didn't mind the wire strung from a monument into the tree Transmitting illegally, but it was the sitting that was a problem. Okay? That's fine What what happened no that and I stood up and you said okay You were sitting on something we're supposed to be sitting out yeah, not allowed to sit You know it is not allowed. I was sitting on a little kind of the edge of the park on a ledge oh

31:06 Oh, yeah. You can't sit on it. It was disrespectful Yeah Which which by the way drinking and or eating and walking is also considered wrong and not good you can't walk in well Well, you can well you people the frown it's a frowned upon Hmm. Yeah, but like what did what? What you can't just sit and enjoy your meal So I assume that loud cell phone calls are frowned upon I have yet to hear a loud cell phone call here in Japan Everybody's walking. First of all, you walk on the street and we've just been walking around everywhere The Japanese I have to say pretty much are zombies when you know they just walk and they even kind of walk with a Kind of a Frankenstein type if you ever notice how the Japanese walked like it like

31:53 Adam and curry calm Seriously, it's kind of like they're falling forward like they're shuffling their feet a little bit. They have this zombie walk You know what I'm talking about yeah Actually you drag their feet in a funny way in a very Japanese-like manner And I don't know what that is and then they kind of just are staring now that none The schoolgirls are you know? They're giggly and stuff That's what school girls do but in general people just zombified And it is also, hey if you want to know why we're behind now of course I've gotten a little bit of the business community here through Mark and Astrid our super uber producers. Viscount Vicontis his people work until 10 at night midnight it's normal here. You know this is... They work their ass off

32:43 You can't compete with this. These people don't care." I've had so many people that have lived there for a long time tell me that, because I noticed that too when I was over there... They never go home and in fact in some neighborhoods outside of Tokyo if you show up at home first in the neighborhood I was told by some guys just there all the time, this is bull crap. He says most of the guys they stay at work for a long time and then they go, they don't go clubbing but they go out to dinner with their buddies and hang out and drink and stay out as long as they can so that won't be humiliated one that shows up home too soon

33:28 and they make sure to get on the, get their cab whatever. Go get their train ride because the train stopped working at midnight and you have to cab it out to the outskirts if you don't pay attention, but they all head out as late as they can. And it's then the fact that they don't work that hard. This guy says that they work smarter than Americans and we...and if you look at the productivity numbers our numbers are still higher because we actually do work hard so I'm not...you know this is a myth of Japanese culture. There is a point now there is a point that it takes three of them to one of us. I see that too

34:05 I can just see it. There's just a lack of actual... They're putting the hours in, but I don't think the productivity is there." It's just a generalized statement everybody don't get all mad at me. It was just kind of a general thing. Meanwhile, the country here is currently running on gas from Australia as they are still working on restoring power through nuclear power plants and here's something you might have known this There are two different electricity networks in Japan. And they're pretty much west and east, if you look at Japan as west and east... north-south kind of but north-east-southwest. And right around the middle point there is a divide so when Fukushima hit

35:07 There was plenty of electricity and power available in the south, but they literally could not send it up north. Do you know why? No. I'm so happy you didn't know this one! There are two networks, the one in the northeast... Is it because 1 is 110 and the other is 220? No no, One is 60 Hertz built by... Oh no, that was 30? No, one is 50. So the 60 Hertz network was built by GE and the 50 Hertz network was built by AEG, by the Germans And so they can't convert it. Yeah, that's hard to convert. You could if you're basically building a huge heat... No it's not worth it. It is not worth it? Not worth it. How F'd does that?! You know I did know the answer because when I remember when I was over there and I was in some situation with what converters to use and there was like this I was reading about the two different 60s and 50s and this and that and I'm thinking this weird What are you supposed to do

36:13 I think Tokyo was 60, wasn't it? Tokyo is 60. Yes, Tokyo is 60. Yeah this is exactly the same as the US and then Osaka is 50 and this Tokyo-Osaka rivalry thing is very strange An example, they have the 50-60 cycles. Also when you are in the subway in Tokyo you stand on the left so people can walk by on the right. In Osaka you stand on the right so people can walk by on the left and this is a weird country man. That's funny. And if the economy... there's a big problem first of all it's cheaper than Austin here I've now been here long enough to say cheaper than Austin and no tipping

37:00 I love this place. It's because you're cheap! No, no no i'm not a very good tipper. I always tip 20%. But it's also because it's easy cuz obviously annoyed by this... I don't know the common core so but just like oh that's twenty percent I can figure that out just times two and then divided by ten or 100 or whatever 10 yeah I got it here's your tip But here it's beautiful. You save so much money and also you know like you don't have the feeling that someone is looking at you like, asshole! You didn't tip me in any way... None of that! I love that concept It's really really good No tipping And its... man, I'm telling you We're having a meal, the two of us for 20 bucks with alcohol

37:53 No way could you find that anywhere else in the U.S., it's just no way, not in a restaurant? Well I've never...no one has ever made this accusation that Tokyo is cheaper than Austin but okay. Currently with the No Tipping and as cheaper than Austin of course the economy, the problem that they have is well there's a lot of them but everybody was kind of waiting to see if they would get the Olympics then they got the Olympics for 2020 And then all the... and of course I know a little bit about the scene now. Everyone started jacking up their prices for buildings, and no one has the money now. It's like this big standstill and stuff is not really happening but probably in the next couple years it'll really pick up you've got to figure that the Olympics is going to be a huge economic boom and then what I've told our knight-in-dame here of course what will happen as it will ruin the country as its intended to do

38:50 Yeah, I know every time anybody gets that. There's only one Olympics in history that ever made money and that was the one that Uber Off or whatever his name is did in LA I think one year Right! That was with Lionel Richie and The Flying Pianos That was a good one And it was... but they already had the Coliseum They had all of the facilities didn't build a bunch of new crap That's where you lose your ass And they have the 1964 Olympic Stadium here But are we gonna... Oh no, we can't reuse that. No, gotta build a whole new one. Oh yeah, I can do that. So what kind of news you getting over there?

39:27 I wanted to, actually before we get into that. I wanted to talk about this. I put this clip, I grabbed this old clip because you were talking about the thing about the shopping malls and what was it again? What do you mean? What did he mean by the shopping malls? They were doing...I said I had the tape of the exercises going on in shopping malls because they were doing one of the agencies was worried about shopping malls or something like that Yeah, you have she don't remember I remember that but I don't remember what I said about it Well, that's what I was wondering if you could remember what you said. I probably want yeah whatever John shopping mall Okay well the reason I run and they said I've got to clip That's perfect But I don't have the I don't have a dead I didn't send it this week but now with that You don't hate remember what you were talking about The clip has less meaning

40:15 But it was about something about shopping malls and I had this clip that I wanted to play. Well, maybe we played the clip all remember OK? Well here's the clip This is the Hayward Mall exercise and this is a drill for terrorists I presume You know, drill for who knows what. Of course! Terrorists! You'll get the who knows what part when you hear the kicker. Don't panic it's only a drill. A drill that Kristen says involves a lot of guys running around with guns. Yeah, that's right. FBI agents asking people in Hayward to stay away from Southland Mall tonight and you can see why all of those emergency vehicles ambulances behind me SWAT vehicles this is as you said just a drill inside the mall law enforcement mall security firefighters and paramedics all practicing what to do in the event of a terror attack or a mall shooting there will be

41:10 actors and role players. And these guys will be out here at least until 3 in the morning running through these scenarios, FBI agents telling us tonight it's pretty rare that all of these agencies get to come together and coordinate something like this and what they are actually doing inside is top secret. Okay, I still don't remember what it was. But... Well, there's this top secret. It does tie into something else. I think they're rehearsing. Yes! This is actors and players and okay so they're gonna have... They're rehearsing? Yeah, I can tell you exactly what for because there are two types of news i've been receiving One is local Asian news For instance, I only heard about Solange Knowles yesterday

41:54 I didn't know anything about this elevator. It's seriously until yesterday, and I'm not a disconnected guy I mean, I'm clearly not reading TMZ but So there's all this other stuff that I am aware of but there is also just CNN They they are so good with propagating whatever formula is brought out And there is this... so it's clear we need, you know. We've messed up everything Ukraine has messed up by the way they're going to be voting on the 25th So that's just a couple days away

42:31 Syria is severely messed up and the whole idea was we were supposed to stop that pipeline, the Islamic pipeline as it's known. The Iran-Iraq-Syria pipeline and help our buddies there from Qatar and have the pipeline move out from Qatar into Turkey so he messed all that up so clearly you know... And now the Assad regime It's kicking everybody out and all the Al-Qaeda fighters, you know they're getting on buses and leaving because it's not working out. They're busing them out. So we need to go... We need to take some serious steps. We got a bomb this place! We gotta move in, we gotta do it so.. We need to create a new narrative And the narrative is safe haven in Syria

43:21 This is it. The new one, the safe haven in Syria. In Syria amid the fighting Al Qaeda is planting its flag leading to a dire warning from the director of the FBI about the rise of al-Qaeda affiliates. Now this was a beauty. Comey, the former HSBC banker who became FBI director so he could help, you know the laundering of all the money. He was testifying about the FBI in the Senate for a good almost a good two hours just gems of clips coming out this guy's piehole. It's progeny throughout the Middle East and Africa are virulent and bent on doing great harm to Americans abroad and here at home

44:07 Virulent. Virulent? Doing great harm to Americans abroad and here at home, stand by wait for it get ready for your mall. He says one of the most virulent threats... Virulent again? Is ruined. It's a meme! Well that's not the virulent it's the safe haven. An opportunity that is attracting droves of jihadis. Droves of jihadis what does a drove how many in a drove John It depends on what kind of a drove we're talking. If it's cattle, it's gotta be at least 100. I think we should evaluate how... Just hold on a second. I need to know this. How many units in a drove? Let's see. Oh, I'm using DuckDuckGo by the way which I'm finding quite nice. You know what? Let me give my opinion on this.

44:57 DuckDuckGo is great because you know they don't keep all your searches and all the rest of it, but then it puts some code in your browser so DuckDuckGo shows up in moments when you're using Google. It shows as DuckDuckGo. Oh really? It's annoying. Well they have the DuckDuckGo Next. They have a new like a beta search engine and was very easy to configure Firefox to use it and so I'm kind of evaluating it. At least, I am not being tracked by Google. Okay how many units in a drove? Well duck-duck go fails! Well here I am looking at the definition essentially large group of people or animals that move or act together. He's calling them animals?! How racist is that!?

45:41 To come to Syria to learn new things build new relationships Apparently there's a tinder app in Syria where you can learn We're having a conference and there's gonna be a webinar by web and our new things New things on the webinar and we make new contacts. Hey, Richard, I'm... You see these guys with the... We could exchange some cards because this is a social meeting. He's got a name tag. Hi my name is Mohammed. Come to Syria to learn new things build new relationships

46:20 And then most dangerously of all, at some point to flow out of Syria. There will be a terrorist diaspora out of Syria. This guy's loaded with stuff! There will be a terrorist diaspora! We in law enforcement national security and the intelligence community are determined not to allow lines to be drawn between an outflow from Syria and future 9-11s Future 9-11s That's really pouring it on pretty thick when you're doing future 9-11s. The US estimates 70 or more Americans have gone to Syria to fight. Nobody knows how many are back in the U.S. Well, wouldn't the Customs and Border Patrol know? Yeah, you'd think they would know when they come in! Why don't they know who came back? Let me stop for a second... What happens when Mickey comes into the country? She gets detained

47:17 Well, then they would do that with all these people for sure. You would think? Yes! I mean unless they're sneaking in through Canada or Mexico which seems those borders are even harder yeah Many are back in the US Comey joins a chorus of national security officials A chorus of national security officials who all sang acapella. Increasingly warning of the threat of an al-Qaeda attack in the US by fighters from Syria. We're seeing now the appearance of training complexes in Syria to train people, to go back to their countries... Wait stop stop stop

47:57 They find, they know of training complexes in Syria? Is that what he just said? Yes! Why don't they just bomb it?! That's the point. You're catching on real quick John, that's the point The whole idea is to go bomb. A threat of an al-Qaeda attack in the US by fighters from Syria We're seeing now the appearance of training complexes in Syria, to train people to go back to their countries and of course conduct more terrorist acts And now a new revelation Uh oh! Are you sitting down? Your fiber might overheat from the new revelation John

48:35 Al-Qaeda presence in Syria. Do you agree with Director Clapper? Hold on a second, stop again! Did you notice these both the all the douchebags and I'm including that guy who Lindsey Graham also McCain does the same thing yeah and all those other guys they don't ask questions They lead to witness. Do you agree? Yeah do you agree? Okay just pointing it out Wow that was kind of good can you do that again Do you agree? Do you agree? Do you agree? You must obey. You will obey! And of course, conduct more terrorist acts. And now a new revelation... The al-Qaeda presence in Syria do you agree with Director Clapper that it represents a direct threat to the homeland the Al Qaeda safe haven in Syria Yes Okay, do we have a plan to deal with that as a nation

49:35 Yes. We're going to do training exercises in the Hayward Mall and we're good to go. The safe haven, Al-Qaeda's safe haven in Syria now! How is that even possible? Assad hates those guys How do you create a safe haven in Syria? This makes zero sense. It doesn't matter, it's totally... well of course it makes zero sense but there is no analysis this just being fed-in by the true propaganda arm of and they're not the only ones NPR PBS everybody's on board with it and they don't even know half the time

50:13 They're too- they're not doing actual analysis, not thinking. Just doing whatever they are told and of course they do it because they get a job and happy to have a job I don't care! There's no risk! Zero risk! They aren't sleeping on futons in Tokyo Oh there is the Grand Hyatt I'm not complaining by the way No you have nice little places to stay in Tokyo I am NOT complaining, I am NOT complaining I need to play one more because I got really I did something crazy. Someone referenced something on CNN again, and I went and looked at the document to see if it was true." And there you have it right? It wasn't. I can't believe I did this! I'm so stupid. What have we heard consistently about the Sarnoff brothers — the alleged Boston bombers — and their pressure cookers? Where did they learn

51:13 to create these pressure cooker bombs? Well, I mean they tried to...I've watched a bunch of coverage of this and they've tried to reverse engineer it to push it into that stupid magazine. Yes! But the magazine didn't print the information until after the bombing. It was even worse than that. It's even worse And that was the cue and it misfired, and we'll find out what is inspiration. No it's inspire magazine fire And in some cases some surprising details coming out in this court filing I wanted to get your take on what you saw This is a terror expert in this document that you didn't know before that may have surprised you Christmas of this Is uh? What is happening now as the FBI is

52:00 who did not read Dzhokhar Shanaev, his Miranda rights under a precedent which states if there is an imminent danger to the homeland you can continue to question somebody without their lawyer present or without reading them their rights. And of course, because they had no idea how many more bombs there would be or you know. So they're trying to build their case which the whole thing is botched we know that this was maybe two operations that crossed lines it was supposed to be a six-week cycle the bombs weren't supposed to go off

52:37 There was also a drill taking place. It was completely messed up and now they have to cover their tracks, cover their ass so they're doing everything they can and now they have to prove that there were real bombs, that these bombs were created based upon Al-Qaeda inspired, Inspire Magazine and Al Qaeda operation but that they were lone wolves and not connected to al-Qaeda. It's a mess. Model car parts fireworks well okay we actually did know a lot of this before what this document shows is the United States government counterterrorism were concerned in the days after the Boston

53:14 uh... bombings that these individuals the brothers may be acting out with others because of their device was relatively sophisticated and tricky i had to put together though that's what they believed possibly was the case a year ago but there's been a lot of investigation since then no evidence now to suggest that they trained overseas or were acting uh... with others for most of the bombs they put together was from a recipe in and inspire magazine which is a magazine al-qaeda near a peninsula Now, let me just say I went to find the... this is based upon the Make a Bomb in the Kitchen of Your Mom from the 2010 edition of Inspire Magazine. And although they do indeed mention a 9-volt battery with Christmas lights as the ignition device, they specifically did not mention at all anything about fireworks

54:09 In fact, quite the opposite. Using matchstick heads and here's the one... Here's the thing that really blew me away Not a single mention of a pressure cooker Yeah Only a pipe It was a pipe bomb There was one bit of the bomb which was different Which is a toy car remote detonating mechanism And that's actually something That would be the smallest difference The fact it was uh I don't know not a pipe Quite tricky to put together so there's been some speculation from experts that they may have need some sort of tuition To do that, but it wouldn't be something impossible for them to have done We've got a we've gotta push this through why not when you

54:52 From looking at this from the outside in, how could they have pulled this off without at least some kind of training? Training. They must've had some training! On precedent for purely homegrown terrorists putting these sorts of devices to guarantee... Homegrown from the safe harbor- what was it? Safe haven in Syria This is where it's going. We're going, I hate to say it ladies and gentlemen... They're gonna light something off in America! Now we need to have a boom It's sad, it's sad. Well see here I think there is a problem here with the agencies and how they're battling an all the rest of it between each other and FBI has to have their six week thing going on...I think they've had meetings that must have had meetings where it went like this The NSA with its big budget Wait a minute wait a minute let's do the meeting

55:49 Okay, all right you I'll be the the NSA guy. You're the FBI guy and your hell-bent on doing something big Okay are we at my place or your place We're at a cafe, a neutral place. You know you're not coming over to our place and look around Hey hey hey how ya doing man? How ya doin'? Hey uh Curry Yeah what's up Dvorak What's up we are little bit uh...we are getting a bit concerned about the couple of things that have that you guys have worked on recently Hey hey hey easy easy easy! We got good- we got budgets to take care here you know we've got stuff that we gotta do Uh here is the problem but let's stop

56:27 Here's the deal what this last event especially the Boston bombing thing it makes us look like idiots Yeah, but hold on a second. This was just This was not our this was not our fault We had every there wasn't no one who was supposed to light anything off we were good to go on this You know that Japanese boy toy you've been hanging around with and exchanging emails with you know you want that to get out You guys have better stop doing these things because we have to, our job is to prevent anything from happening because We're plugged into everything. It looks like were a bunch of boneheads if you blow something up again So unless you want to get blown up by us Wait a minute, wait a minute DeVore are you blackmailing me? Are you telling me that you got pictures of my and my boy toy Yeah videos dude I knew i shouldn't have accepted that teddy bear

57:20 Anyway, that's okay. No, okay So you so you're saying that they will not light something off because they're being blackmailed by the NSA I think they can't light something off because if they do it's gonna ruin the NSA is game of Spying on everybody now there is a moment I think there is an opportunity to window of opportunity Because I'm listening to Hayden and some these guys and there was really good thing that you missed because you were in Japan, but there were two parts of the United States of secrecy on front line. Oh no I have them downloaded for the plane ride back yeah You'll enjoy them The second part is a potboiler they actually...the first part is good The second part it's like one of these things where they put out an hour and half the first part By the way Dvorak, Dvorak! You may not want to get into hot tub with cover up

58:11 Just letting you know. Yeah, well we got more money than you do! That's true So the thing is... You had the first part which was a long episode and then they did a second one which I think was an hour And they ran out of material about 15 minutes into it. Oh yeah, okay whatever. And so then the music bits get longer with no narration Yeah, and so Hayden is discussing some of the things that we're gonna do. Long drawn shots of empty wet streets and alleyways? So I'm thinking this possibility for June 15th, the next opportunity for an event. The best part of the second thing is Hayden pulled the old cowboy analogy

58:58 He says, well you know it is essentially from a cowboy movie. The cowboy and he doesn't say it's from a cowboy movie he says in some other way but its from a cowboy movie It's an old melodrama theme And it goes like this the towns out of control people are killing each others the tough sheriff comes into town cleans up the mess shoots all the bad guys and then now hes the sheriff and then he gets to screw miss ellia above the saloon Well what happens is that he gets run out of town because he's too strict You know, we don't need you anymore. So do you think why are we paying this guy? Everything's cleared up." Yeah and then they fire him because they don't need him anymore so he gets screwed out of the deal and that is essentially what Hayden saying is happening to the NSA. They've protected us from all this stuff and now da-da-da-da... And now they're gonna want us to cut back and some bad's gonna happen it's just a great scare the public tactic. So I think there's a slight window

59:52 that the NSA and the FBI can be together on, and have something horrible happen. And then blame it on Snowden? Huh... Well Snowden is a marked man there's no doubt about it in fact I've been against better judgment but you know kind of had to. I've been reading Dora Grimrira Greenwalds book and it very clearly states that as he was vetting the legitimacy of Greenwald, of Snowden that he sent him his CIA badge number ID let me repeat that CIA

1:00:34 Not his NSA ID, his CIA ID. Does anyone read these books? CIA! Our theory that this is an NSA-CIA feud is so right on this... it's so right on. Yeah and then of course when they had the long interview with Snowden that was never played in the United States No no it wasn't only in Germany yeah I was playing Germany and everyone should watch it he mentions as a mission Yes, no exactly the mission completed. My missions completed my mission so what do you mean mission? I wonder if I still have that clip oh I might have it somewhere yes, I have it here hold on a second. Uh I just have to I'm this you know I gotta say I'm pretty Pretty happy with my system here Yeah at the very end ended up in Russia many of the intelligence community suspect

1:01:29 You made a deal classified material for asylum. This is the German interviewer here in Russia The chief of the task force investigating me as recently as December said that their investigation had turned up no evidence or indications at all That I had any outside help or contact, or it made a deal of any kind To accomplish my mission to accomplish my mission Hello. Now, there was a funny thing that came up in that frontline piece it was the apparent you know the guy who did the article in The Washington Post Barton Gelman? Yeah, Gellman is on there and he says that he went to do I mean we knew about this. I don't remember us talking about it But Gellman went to Russia met with Snowden and did a 14-hour interview Oh really

1:02:21 He says it in this documentary, and as soon as he said it I thought to myself... Wow. ...where's that? But wasn't the way I understood it the Washington Post wanted nothing to do with it or they turned it down for...? It doesn't really matter. There is something else. Let me tell you something else. The debriefing was what it was. This is so the Grenn Greenwald Don Raff And all the intercept and the first look, Pierre Drive My Car, the $250 million WordPress blog has now resulted in this stellar news. Yesterday we reported that the National Security Agency had been intercepting and recording nearly every cell phone call that had taken place in The Bahamas and storing them for 30 days. Woo! In The Bahamas ladies and gentlemen? That is a showstopper. Yeah, but that's news there you go, The Bahamas

1:03:09 The Bahamas people come on is that all you've got left before we started the show today I'm reading Looking at the tweets because they had to I wanted to tweet the show But I can't tweet it on my regular computer have to do it on the phone because I don't know if I can't You don't know your password. Yeah, but my phone right? You have the Twitter thing on there So I just did a dare So in there, I saw there's Greenwald. He always likes to retweet anything in the world about him. Yeah as long as it is about him exactly! So he retweets with some snide remark this Michael Kinsley review of his book

1:03:46 Oh. And it's in the New York Times, and I think well Kinsley is probably you know he's a old slate guy kind of a company man? Company man and a jerk but this is a great article! Can you read from me got something to share from it? Let see if I still have on my little phone He just goes after Greenwald let's see here it is good I mean he just goes after him with this nasty stuff. Let me see if i can find that where it begins, where it's really funny Reformers can be difficult people, but they come in different flavors. He goes after that. They're narcissists like Julian Assange, founder of WikiLeaks. These are self-canonized men who feel that as saints they are entitled to ignore the rules that constrain ordinary mortals. Greenwald notes indignity with indignity that Assange is being criticized along the lines well before he was accused of sex crimes by two women in Sweden and I'm gonna stop on the way hold on

1:04:47 There are political romantics. Greenwald, in his mind he's not a reformer but a ruthless revolutionary robes Pierre or Trotsky. The Hengse regime is corrupt through and through and he is the man who will topple it sounding now like Herbert Marcuse in this once fashionable theory of repressive tolerance. Greenwald writes that the implicit bargain has offered to citizens pose no challenge He goes on, he's just looking. This is a long piece by the way. I'll put it in the show notes people got to read that. Yeah definitely uh... And there's obviously this- But he's very insulting here There is good too what has come out of this but Greenwald is such an egomaniac! He loves himself so much and so much more than getting the actual information Bahamas really? Is that all you have left? That's what it looks like Anyway quick little email

1:05:43 And then we should go thank some people. This is from Andrew, Andrew B., new producer... I've been listening to No Agenda 618 episode and you mentioned that you're not changing anyone's minds just wanted to let you know that you've changed my mind on many topics! I was all in on global warming if you asked me about net neutrality i'd have rallied behind it but I think I'm like a lot of people in this country We hear sound bites and quick clips and just assume that 97 out of 100 scientists can't be wrong I heard about NoAgenda through Twit and Linux outlaws, and finally decided to listen. You two were saying things that were completely against what i believe but you said these things with gasp evidence an anti-examples from the media now i'm hooked And while i've only been listening since 602, I've scheduled a small monthly donation and donated double nickels on the dime a couple of times already with serious aspirations becoming a knight my main reason for emailing those is make sure

1:06:39 You know that you do change some people's minds and the JCDs email is much harder to find than yours, which is probably why you get all his hate mail. I've been propagating the formula look forward to each new episode and pad my time with the old ones thanks That was nice email. No well here's the thing when I was given the speech yesterday, I Did you promote the show did you promote the show yeah? I mentioned the shows if I didn't overdo it now should have brought some discs. I'm just good work Yeah, this is bothers me. I had a don't why do I got to put him in the suitcase and whatever anyway so that there's some questions answers at the end so I did

1:07:18 The last question was somebody, what do you think in net neutrality? Blah blah blah. And so I put the first...I said well the first thing is that I don't believe all packets are equal and then I went on this story about the remote control surgeon- By the way great article in PC Magazine that you wrote. I tweeted it as nice because there was kind of no agenda analysis from both where we've both put together liked a lot And you had your example of the surgeon like, yeah what? You don't want priority over your packets when the surgeon is working on you remotely. No? You don't want that huh? and I had a couple other exam, then went on and on with this negative attitude about it. And not one person said anything about it to me afterwards. Oh they were? I didn't get the guy coming up to me, this is bullshit you know Larry Lessig feels da-da-da-da-da-da! I never got any of that everybody, I don't know if they all agreed with me but nobody was arguing the point like if you do like how get all kinds of notes from that article well I did this is out this is a high end IT

1:08:20 Real crowd. These are the guys who these guys understand it well I do have some stuff to add to your article, but first I would like to thank you for your courage and A hearty in the morning to you, John C. DeWitt. In the morning to you Adam Curry and all ships at sea boots on the ground feet in the air subs in the water And all of the dames and knights out there Yes! And in the morning everybody in the chat room noagenestream.com Noagenestchat.net Thank you very much Nick The Rat for coming through with the artwork for 618 We had a small problem with the art generator noagenartgenerator.com Lots of people tweeted and emailed their work and Nick nailed it

1:08:56 There's a couple of guys you can always count on, regardless of whether the art generator is working or not. But just to have some great art and it's always good to see Nick up there And I do want to quickly promote the Noah Jenner rap song by Short Fuse is now available on iTunes. I had a couple of people at the meetup just say it was the greatest thing they've ever heard! GX2 who does music production for living, he said it was amazing so its available on iTunes and there's a link in the show notes under PR you can get from there and they'll send some of the Vig to us after Apple takes their cut

1:09:35 So today is Thursday and how did we do? Did we get a couple of producers here, some execs and associate execs. Let me thank you guys for starters we got Andrew Sir Andrew Largeman 515 bucks he's in Taiwan whoops this is interesting because I'm on the little bitty laptop I couldn't find my other one I have to take this one Which kind of let me switch a couple of cells around here so I can read this thing without okay? Oops, that's not the right one. There's no way I can't tell see the cities hold on This is going well, but it's good. I'm getting there. I'm getting there now. I still can't read this okay Let me I just gonna have to slide over Anyway he says ITM

1:10:26 This 515 for May 15th donation is... 515 for May 15th, yeah that's a good idea. To wish Adam a smooth and fruitful trip in Tokyo. Adam's Tokyo notes and observations on his blog are fun to read." Everyone go see that. It's at curry dot com slash blog I guess? No just go to tokyo dot no agenda notes dot com Tokyo.noagendanotes.com, just what I said. I'd like to request an L Sharpton resist we much followed by Charlie Rose it's in your DNA and then biodiversity. Do we have the Sharpton resist we much? We should. I have no conflict. Resist hmm...

1:11:15 I don't know if i still have that one. Okay well... I'll play the no conflict and then he wanted Charlie Rose in the DNA and then what else did he want? He wanted a best podcast in the universe? Biodiversity. Oh biodiversity! There's no real conflict! Tell me about this sexuality, it's in your DNA. And a karma. You've got karma I don't know where the uh, i gotta go find that Yeah you should Ryan Merritt in Hoboken New Jersey comes up with $420 and 33 cents I can't find a note from him but whatever the case is let's give him a Karma And that is a stonation obviously so That's a stonation! You've got karma Another stonation

1:12:03 Anonymous from Clinton Township, Michigan which is nearby. 42033 The official Stoneation amount? Another Stoneation. At least we're getting those every so often that's funny Let me try to slide this thing...ah! Mickey had a meeting here in Tokyo at the Dutch Embassy. Yeah? And I was going, yeah, you know that's what they're supposed to do. They're supposed to help people with their...and and I said, uh, please come at 420. Ha ha ha! I was very tempted. Like yeah, I'll be there at 420.

1:12:48 Hey man, I'll bake it. On the air he says, I finally got a real salary programming job so now I make 100% more than any previous time in my life who needs college? Therefore I figured I could stop being a douchebag so therefore equals they are conjunctions so why stop saying so not and or because this is not used as a conjunction when you use at the beginning of a sentence to stall Anyway, he... that's it. He doesn't ask for any requests. Plainly about our complaining. What was the Sharpton clip a guy wanted again? The so- what was it?

1:13:29 Oh, now I gotta go back. Not conflict was it? No, it's much. Oh resist we much. We resist we much That's one where you just botched the whole thing that's an old clip Yeah, but I do have to get...I gotta put that in the system okay. I just don't have it here sorry It's a we're mobile. We're mobile Spencer Pearson in Columbia Missouri for 2033 another stonation In the morning, John and Adam have been listening since just before Christmas and have fallen in love with the show. It's insane to see how many media sources even many of the comedy... Oh didn't this from last week?

1:14:05 I don't remember this one. Yeah, because i remember him saying the comedy podcast ended up repeating some of the show bullcrap memes that mainstream media has cooked up and dished out between Adams you don't remember this? Right now it's 1 26 a.m.. What do you think is doing here? This is the one where did I read as a stoner He wants the creepy Charlie Rose sexuality. Yeah, okay I don't know how that crept into the... Okay well it happened. Alright well thank you again Spencer Talking about stonations Alicia and Scott in Ann Arbor Michigan 333 33 and they met up with me as a cute couple she's really pretty Pictures? Photographic material

1:14:55 Hmm. They probably have them And they just had a very short note This is a lition Scott in Ann Arbor, Michigan to an environment to see Scott later today We're gonna go photographing the the old central Gonna go photographing Alicia's what I think You dog you Too much. Hey Scott let's go hey back at some ideas I guess about pick this mouth fits of Victoria secret for Alicia to wear 333 and it's a toward Alicia's Dame hood uh-huh, huh and so you want some karma keep up the great work. Yeah absolutely Thank you so much cool You've got karma keeping JCD busy I like that sir Dennis Cruz in Beaverton Oregon 201 And he sent an email in sponsor the dead den man show hot coffee org Do have the email no? Don't I'll dig it up for the second second reading

1:15:51 I get the sense that Sir Dennis' is a repeat too. Anyway, I'm going to have to find out what's the prescription. Well if that's the case then things are not well... Things are not going well for us! That's it. Yeah, that's it! So we move on in the second half with the other guys and I'll look up Cruz' email see if he's got anything in there All right well we do uh...I will be traveling tomorrow flying back I fly back in time and arrive the same day Friday which means you will have a regular show on Sunday Well, regular show but nothing is- You know? I have a feeling that were going to more traveling starting this year starting now

1:16:37 We hopefully will come back to Japan. We have invites for Australia and for Singapore and for Shanghai, And I think we should do it! People seem to really like it when we're on the road You know the show...I don't think suffers greatly. We're still able to assassinate media but also gives us extra slant Yeah, we should plan a couple things every so often. I think... yeah at least every six weeks, every two months would be good? Yeah, I think my next trip will take me up to Chico California and check out the college there And uh..I'm going to be going too.... I am also thinking of maybe taking a trip down to Bakersfield. I think i can spend some time there that'd be cool! I'm gonna go to Dallas, I'm going to HamCom in June

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1:18:58 But I wanted to add something to the packet inequality conversation. We've pretty much beat this horse to death, of course... Well there was something that happened that gave me one more little piece of insight that I thought was interesting to add so we all understand what is going on and it happened after this week in law which i never watch But everyone told me, oh you gotta watch this. You gotta watch this This is part of the Twit Network And Denise Howell is on the show Who I like as a person As a host She's shit

1:19:42 And she's a beautiful woman. Don't put the big headphones on her with the microphone in front of her face! It is unnecessary I know and it says 2014 Yeah, what year are we in here? You can please Kansas they like to go off big cans under head and she's pretty you know and then she's good-looking woman yeah, and it's just distracting and I'm sure She knows her stuff when it comes to law and everything but yeah, I don't know just doesn't work for me So she had one of my least favorite people on, Nilay Patel. He was on my last This Week in Tech when I got kicked off for good... banned from the airwaves and he's annoying! He's a lawyer but he works for The Verge you know all those guys over there they're all huffy-puffy and they got venture capital money so they think that wait until you run out of that

1:20:41 So they think that all though, they'll do that in a bag of chips. And he's on there pontificating about net neutrality and the evil common...and he can't even explain how the two Democrats have voted well you know the Democrats had to vote for they had to say yes because The three Democrats, I should say. They had to vote yes because it's not exactly what they want... But one of the Democrats is Wheeler? Yes, it's not exactly what they want but they have to get going somehow and it's very hard time explaining why they want this regulation Yeah, why the two Democrats voted for it and the two Republicans voted against it. It just has all of the liberals like, what? I can't think anymore! What?! Exactly. And then they bring on this guy Baron Zoka. And he is from an outfit called Tech Freedom a non-profit Oh boy you know how much I love that. But let me go look into this nonprofit but before I get to that

1:21:43 I'm just gonna play the very end and i was very surprised because Baron Zoka He starts off by saying, well this net neutrality debate is a hoax. I'm like yeah that's good yeah alright you got my attention! It was like this is a hoax... This whole thing is a hoax and it just came out of nowhere didn't really come out of nowhere he actually put me onto a path to figure out why this all happened. I just wanted to play the very end just so you can kind of hear how the conversation ended with Nilay Patel who would have no match for this guy I felt But and Miss Mickey was listening to me while I was watching it on Monday or whatever, or two. I can't remember what day it was... And she said oh but finally I hear just some people talking about something that was and it was a very interesting conversation but here's how Neely thinks that he's hung up and is all pissed off which the guy is but he didn't and then you kind of hear what a bad sport Patel is

1:22:40 Baron Zuka-Zuka guy. I like him, I like what he's doing. But we're not going to forget this show anytime soon and i'm not gonna forget how grateful I am that you were able to join us today Neli. Yeah, I enjoyed it and Baron, I enjoy the conversation as heated as it might have become. It was a good one Yeah, me too. And really, really, no Baron's still here I think. Baron you're still here right? Well i have to say I don't enjoy this conversation. I would rather have a conversation about how to promote broadband deployment and how to actually write a new telecom act that makes sense in the real world. I'm tired as you can probably tell of talking about imaginary problems and imaginary legal authority for the FCC to solve them

1:23:19 Yeah, no you're a great guy. I gotta go. Thank you. You're a great guy. Oh That was worth the wait Come on that was funny. I liked hearing that it was very funny okay so And and I looked into this this Baron guys outfit tech freedom very small nonprofit They're doing about And I have to say, I couldn't find their 990s and I tweeted him. Someone got back to me and they sent the 2011... Hey man send me the 2012. They sent the 2012, they changed their name that's why it didn't show up in regular places. Very small. It is being run out of a

1:24:02 two-room condo in DC, which I'm going to think is a baron's condo. And they did like 380,000 in 2011, did little more in 2012. They may have done lot more but 500,000 and of course he's taking his salary and so the money... It's not a lot of money but it's a think tank And although you don't know where the money's coming from, if you look at his past it seems pretty obvious it is at least coming from Google. You can be...actually he tweeted me something I was going to ask you He said our donations come from Big Tent Are you familiar with this phrase? Big Tent

1:24:46 I've heard it, now that you mention it. I've heard the phrase but have no idea what it means Big tent...I couldn't quite figure out what he meant by big tent and didn't want to seem like an idiot and say what? Have you googled it to see what big tent comes up with Yeah, you get a whole bunch of weird stuff that not really there's lots of things called big tents anyway It's pretty clear that he's getting... And you should have just said, what the f- What is Big Tent? I figured i'd ask you. I thought Daddy would know. Well, I didn't know! Exactly So also and then I started looking at it and I think he's probably He's legit

1:25:26 in his thinking, although yeah he's coming from Google but it made a lot of sense and I just wanted to lay this out for you as an extra piece of this... because when he said hoax i was like well you know what? You're right. It is a hoax why did this thing all of the sudden heat up and its being used primarily by outfits like Freedom of the Press or Pressfreedom, whatever it's called who have three million dollars by the way in annual revenues as you know they're like literally if you look at their website which is... hold on. You got to look at this you'll laugh I think it's press freedom org or freedom no it's a

1:26:11 I'm sorry, that could have had that better prepared. The Freedom of the Press Foundation? Yeah... is it freedompress.org? That'd be pressfreedomfoundation.org There's also... Here we go. Freedomhouse.org? Yeah, pressfreedomfoundation.org Okay. Now that may be- now that's wrong. It doesn't matter! Sorry about that Wait a minute let me look at the rest of this. It's Freedom- I think its Freedom Press Freedomhouse.org? It's freedom press, let me just see... This is dumb. Newseum Press... Oh here it is! Pressfreedom.org.au No no no you don't want that

1:26:57 Well, um... Okay. Now I'm mad at myself. Next show! Anyway, I tweeted out a link for it for Christ's sake sorry for taking the Lord's name in vain Yeah there goes that guy in Pittsburgh again Let me just look up my own tweet here This guy just waits for that and then he sends me a note And I was mad He says uh yeah you know well you took the Lords name in vain so I am not donating He has never donated Yeah okay here is is Clouds are coming Here it is. It's clouds in Michigan. It is... I don't even have... Anyway, they have on their homepage

1:27:41 Save the internet donate now to us. This is what everyone is doing I get emails from don't let them slow down the net org and you know Donate don't let them break the Internet And this would nilai Patel is also doing help unfuck The Internet as what he writes a come on people then like so what really happened here? What really went down and this all stems from one thing that And the one thing is, the acquisition of Time Warner Cable by Comcast. This is when this really started. That predates... I disagree with this! It predates the Netflix issue. It predates Netflix. Now check it out. Yes it does

1:28:27 The Comcast Time Warner Cable announcement... I thought that was more recent. No, I don't think so! I think so. I don't think so. I think so. But okay we can agree to disagree on that Well we have to get the date straight Timeline? Okay let's see First reference to this is... Well, how do we even do that? How do you find out- You can do it by writing in Time Warner Comcast and hit the news tab. And you should have the stories that came out when they first came out. They're still going on. But how are you gonna find out when it first came out?

1:29:02 Well, you just look for their first apparently here is the Ars Technica May 18th. Okay? That's that's they just keep looking for the earliest date okay may 18 and I'll then i'll look at it I have feud over Netflix traffic 8 19 may 18th may 20th right seems to be recent It almost doesn't matter for the show For the theory at least all right but well yeah But if does if I don't buy it If you don't, if you... Wait here it is. Here it gets back further. Here's May 8th Congress to hear concerns this one they're gonna do the congressional thing so we got back to me The announcement came much earlier John. The announcement was months ago I think so

1:29:50 But I think the way I remember it, we first had the Time Warner Comcast deal that was announced that they were gonna do that. This is a long...this is months ago and then- Okay, okay. We'll stop. I won't disagree. We'll look into it. You might be right because there wasn't...I remember there being an early announcement and had everybody all jacked up in fact, again so jacked up they had a congressional hearing. So, and then to Frank and Franken would know Because he's all over this thing and I can call his office up and they'll tell me. Hey, it's Dvorak again! Holy crap not that guy! You can call any of these offices up if you ask when they... All these congressional offices, you don't try to get a hold of Franken He's not gonna talk to ya but you just say like I'd like to talk to one of the staffers who could answer your question

1:30:41 Well, why don't we look at... isn't Comcast... isn't that CMCT? What is their signal? Oh that's a good one. C-M-C-S-A I think it is. Their signal! Help us! Help us! What is their signal?! Hey, It's 142 AM Okay, finance. It's a great excuse! You're right it would be listed in the Yahoo... I'm going to go to yahoo finance and they will have listing of all the press releases and it will have that one at the date. Yes you'll keep talking while I do that. If you go to the news well now its kind relevant headlines let's see this is months ago anyway okay

1:31:28 Here is the thesis and I will do it in my timeline whether it's true or not, but I'm pretty sure that came first. And what really does it mean when they're buying Time Warner? They're not buying a competitor! They are adding on to their network... They are adding on to more... That is their basis of argument And it's also true. I don't think there are any markets where Comcast and Time Warner compete, so they're essentially just becoming bigger. They are becoming... what do you call it? Kind of the utility. A monopoly or a utility. I should mention a couple of things because that's why we would have called Franken's office apparently

1:32:07 uh... during this congressional hearings the kid comcast made the claim that this will be good for the customers because now that they have these new these two opposing consolidate you know crappy here about this again consolidate this and add and it gives them bigger reach in and i haven't been using pressure to companies to get better deals with a customer's get better deal so you can use will your but at but from a shareholder standpoint Well, let me finish. Okay? And so apparently what Franken's people did is they listened to the quarterly call and in the quarterly call was just the opposite with the guy said yeah he says this is gonna be great for us we can make more money we can go you didn't say gouge the customer but he puts there's a lot of more leverage and we can do will profit from this

1:32:54 Now, back to the original thesis that this Baron Soka guy called it a hoax because it did come... It came out of nowhere but it came from the Netflix controversy. So-called controversy. If you really think about this for a moment now What the one thing Comcast clearly wants is they want to buy up all broadband They want to own at 50 or 60 billion dollars, whatever. They're paying for time water Whatever the number is that is you know, it's not chicken feed This is a real this is a real big deal. This is the Mac daddy purchase It's a big one and there and it's just expanding their markets in a buying competitor. They're expanding their markets They really want to be the ISP for the United States

1:33:40 And you can have nothing better, really you can have nothing better than to be deemed a common carrier and thus a utility because it does one thing. It discourages any competitor from entering that marketplace and this is the thing that people get wrong and I'm going to agree with this Baron guy even though i'm pretty sure he's being paid by Google there are competitors! Google is in fact a competitor in Austin And they... and how does this work? It's kind of sad, but why is there so little competition. I kind of buy into this argument when you go into a local municipality or into a town like Austin and You say hey! You know I want to lay fiber and I wanna be a competitor to Comcast Or whatever you have or AT&T But let's just say Time Warner in Austin and by the way in Austin we do have another cable company that competes but okay

1:34:39 Then Austin says, yeah that's great as long as you wire up the schools and wire up the libraries and wire up all of the government buildings. Oh! And suck my cock because this is exactly what these greedy assholes do everywhere And if you go back and you read what happened to Fios when they basically buckled, is in order to rent space on the telephone poles it was cost prohibitive because all of these local municipalities they all want kickbacks. They're all greedy and that's where the real problem is now Google they have real money and real reach and there being a what did I did? They're small but they can become a competitor but not

1:35:26 If this broadband business is going to be regulated as a common carrier, as a utility it's not gonna be interesting for them. Then in any regulation, they're not going to be interested because Google's model is not even necessarily on a pure revenue basis. They want to sell ads to your nest, to your fridge which by the way you called and this is totally right... They want to sell ads everywhere and they'll probably give you free fiber eventually for the privilege for doing that That's their business model But if they can't do that because there's regulation then you know, then they're just not going to do it

1:36:02 They may try, you know like the wireless or whatever but they're not going to do it. That's why Comcast wants this enter Reed Hastings with his little...with their little fracas over the slowdown Oh well! This is where the net neutrality debate came from And if you, as we know with the stupid slaves in most countries but certainly in the United States. You know you can drone Americans and have cops ripping people's heads off shooting old people in the back black ladies of 98 killing them But you slow down my fucking Netflix baby I'm up in arms! I'm changing my icon and I'm getting mad... and I'm calling for net neutrality

1:36:52 And then you get all of these non-profits, all sponsored by Open Society Institute. All Soros stuff... Then God knows where it's coming from! From family nonprofit management agencies All this money flowing and everybody's all riled up over a hoax because there is no evidence of actual degradation based upon their content versus my content. It's just really not true, it's all made up except for the Netflix thing

1:37:32 And isn't it interesting? And it was Netflix who really initiated that. Thank you! And wouldn't be interesting if Netflix, now they have some kind of deal and they're working it out and maybe they can figure something out with Comcast... Maybe they become the new default video on demand service for Comcast That is not beyond the realm of possibility These guys have been working together from day one From day one purposely making this happen to stir up this debate, to get the regulation. And I agree that this should be Congress, it should not be the FCC. Congress should be making up any...if there's gonna be laws it should be Congress but it's going to be a nightmare if the FCC is really going to try and regulate this but I think that this is one big setup

1:38:26 to remove all competition. And so far, playing out beautifully! So the only thing that I could be... If i'm wrong about the timing of it and really thought the Netflix thing came later at least I was aware of it later than I was of the Time Warner acquisition I'm gonna call setup and say these guys were working together Well, the Time Warner thing has to go through before you can confirm your theory Correct But even with... Comcast is big And people keep saying, yeah we need local loop unbundled like in the UK. Oh really? Is that really what you want where everybody's using the same pipes and all the government has to do is close down one pipe instead of 14? The content blocking in the UK is very real That's real content blocking

1:39:20 And then you have to buy bundles and you'd be forced to buy Virgin Mobile with your virgin internet. Screw that! You don't want local loop unbundled there is a chance for real competition, but not if this thing is... I think Google, and I'm no fan of Google as you know but I think that they really can be a competitor They are doing it in Austin They are doing it in Utah They are doing it Is there another southern state, Kentucky I think? They're doing it all over here and there. But you know... Look at Austin's a very interesting market we have a competing cable company We have AT&T now has their giga pooper

1:40:04 Which is their super fast, hydromatic thing. Which is their version of Google Fiber We have Google Fiber coming in We have Comcast There IS some real competition It's there. Everyone keeps saying, oh well there is no competition! Well no but I can guarantee you one thing if you turn this into a utility and the government regulates it then your not going to have any competition correct? You will not have... that turns it into power. Can you choose from different power companies where you are or different water? There was a moment.. No water not no way but there was a moment when you could

1:40:42 No, no. We got Waste Management, WM we're the mob. Yeah and they run it... They do a great job so I just like but again it's you know your trash deal is one deal there's no competitive trash From the chat room from the chat room I have Time Warner Comcast February 13th Netflix February 24th if that's true that's pretty uncanny yeah they're that close It's a one-two punch to get the attention of the community of freaks. Interesting! I mean, if you look at who invented the term net neutrality? I mean it was like supposedly Wu but then again it wasn't...I mean it was his coinage but then he didn't...was not in agreement with that thesis that has devolved into what it is and you have the same guys, you know, that are bitching and moaning

1:41:41 I mean, that's the key. Hoax! And it's being used as a political tool to get people to vote for me...I'll save the internet and literally there are just scores which i think is a score 144? I don't know, it's... Four score and seven years ago. It's more than one! But there are several non-profits which are not nonprofits. If you click the donate button, it goes to another nonprofit then to...not their nonprofit but their action fund. The whole...you know I look at this stuff and it's just $250,000 a year is like one guy who gets that money or one girl in this case don't let him slow downthenet.org and they're just raising money for themselves

1:42:43 But really nothing has really happened. Nothing has really happened. Well they made a fuss, send us money and we'll make a fuss! But anyway, it kind of made me happy because I'm thinking at least someone else is thinking this way. Even though he's probably being paid by Google or maybe...I don't know who else? Maybe AT&T? You don't know. No, but if you look at the Google Fellow Programme, the tech freedoms listed on it and you can get a fellowship- I think they're inclined to think that AT&T would be big time. He has done a lot of work for Google so I am pretty sure Google is in. Yeah but it doesn't really matter

1:43:26 to me because competition is good. And you have the right to petition your government, I'm not against that it's funny...I get accused of people saying, oh Currys Angle just wait when it comes down to it when the podcast trolls are shutting down podcasts those who were talked favorably about them will probably still be allowed to be around He's saying goes for net neutrality. Yeah, they won't slow down his podcast because he was sucking up to him there you go That's a logical argument if you think oh I gotta play something funny for you This is funny um we might as well get it all out of my system while i'm doing it

1:44:10 Yeah, let's not talk about this anymore. No we're gonna talk about it but I just wanted to lay down what I think is the sequence of events and we're not going to talk about it anymore unless something drastic happens and I'm also not gonna talk about the podcast patent after on this show but I do have to do one more time because... And it only happened because someone on Twitter like irks me with that you know You carry bull crap man Corolla's pretty he's fighting for you, and it's fighting for you Yeah just because you don't have make enough money for them to come after you man but ah It's the angry old hippie

1:44:54 So, someone points out the Dr. Drew and Adam Carolla show which of course is the Dr. Drew and guest host show because Adam Carolla...he's not even podcasting right now he's promoting his book which...and he's getting hammered by Gay Inc., which is another...they did an interview in Salon by the gayest interviewer they have And he's, you know... I have to give him that. Carolla doesn't care He says, yeah hey you can't make gay jokes anymore in this town! I've never seen it like this and now the stories are well Carolla hates the gays You can't believe it? He's comparing us to pedophiles The whole thing was a nightmare That is bad Yeah not gonna.. Well what he said was dumb but just don't do interviews as my policy

1:45:44 That's not a bad policy. So in front of every podcast on the Adam Carolla Podcast Network, there is this little ditty... Hi! This is Adam Carolla I want to thank you for supporting this podcast on the Carolla Digital network Everyone here at Carolla digital is very proud of the shows that we put out every week and are excited about the future of our network However Patent Troll is threatening that future by suing us We need to fight back and beat the troll down If we go down, all the other shows on the other networks you've grown to love are gonna go down next. Uh... okay So this is just a lie and I want a disclaimer except for The No Agenda Show This is-this is a lie that he's asking people It does irk me because Dave Weiner and I definitely did more for podcasting than Personal Audio or Adam Carolla

1:46:40 to be begging for money with this lie that all podcasting is going to go down. I'm sorry, it pisses me off. Visit fundanything.com forward slash patent troll to donate and find out other ways that you can help beat the patent trolls. Okay thank you and mahalo! Alright so the reason why i bring this up is then I was brought to my attention that Dr Drew who normally does The Adam Carolla Dr Drew Show... And the guy's name is Adam too and his AC this is all very annoying So, Karol is out promoting his book. So he has the Sklar brothers on who I guess are a comedy duo who also podcast but not familiar with their work and this is how... so what really happens here there's there is a patent the so-called 506 podcast patent that was awarded and I think it's a valid patent and I don't like

1:47:40 And there may be prior art, which the EFF is correctly... they're challenging it in the proper way. Yeah I think they're doing the right job Yes they are challenging that patent in a proper way and you know and I support them in that. I do not support them The way they approached me was we gotta fuck this patent troll! I'm sorry just because someone moves their wants to hear a case in Texas doesn't mean that they're... This happens all the time. Court cases are moved all the time for all different reasons, but this is not a company... The guy who was awarded the patent is seeking redress for this and it has not sold it. Okay? So it is not like Nathan Mervold who buys up patents just to go sue people. It's not the same thing

1:48:33 Now, the guy was awarded the patent and it's very important what happened with this and what is going to be said. I just have to stop the insanity because this propagation is an incorrect message and i don't care what happens because we haven't received any demand letter. I also haven't seen any demand letter, I don't know what Adam Carolla got, I don't know if they really said give me three million dollars, I don't know what they said, I don't know why his lawyers cost a million dollars...I don't know any of this but people are handing over money to him fine If you want to do that, fine. My job is to give you some information But this when you hear how this has propagated it makes me mad continue to do this entertainment for a long Yeah Which is nice and its only way can do it as I have got three kids in college I know Crowley uses my oh yeah crow has to buy more cars

1:49:20 Yeah, yeah. So like his children But anyway he deserves what he gets and he of course has made a giant industry out of this Yes He's made a giant industry out of this Oh, but let's just call him the pod father I'll say I'm a little irked by that. I'm waiting for that one just a little hurt by that Yeah, the joy thank you. Well there you know it Thank You Adam Carolla for making this giant industry. I'm happy. I will give him that thank you very much I appreciate their work you've done We also have to we have to support him fighting the patent trolls. We have to this is something we are so passionate about I mean if you if you and this is a simple battle, and I want to break it down It's good versus evil Okay All right just listen very closely He's gonna break it down for you which is something Alex Jones says let me break this down for each really simple

1:50:11 No, it's not. It's not that simple but okay this good versus evil I mean it's the people who create things versus the people who are trying to tear that shit down Do you do like bullies? Do you support bullying and in grade school about this is adult bullying Okay So now patent laws become adult bully. This is some adult bullying bullshit where they literally are trying this there are people in offices and fucking office parks in Texas or wherever they don't even show up to the office. They buy these, they use the address, they buy these patents, these general patents. Okay? They did not buy a patent. This is the guy who was awarded the patent. There is a difference I own the patent on someone saying words into a microphone now know the patent that he has. And I've read the five Oh six patent is very specific

1:50:56 About a media file that lists episodes, the file is known The file is retrieved. It says here's new episode I mean it essentially exactly explains What has what was invented? And really technology isn't invented, it involves. It evolves Then the guy patented it and he got awarded the patent Okay! There may be prior art there's a way to handle that But this is- what they're saying is a lie So now I can charge podcasts mid range? I can charge podcasts What does that mean? He was just making this up Shame on the government for allowing that to happen Well they're starting to do so Shame on the goverment I get a lot of this too Corolla's fighting the government man Big Government

1:51:39 No, we're not fighting big government. A little bit but we need as grassroots people to stand up and say no We need to be so vocal. We need to be as vocal is the NRA Okay that's really helpful Now you're doing us all a service To remind ourselves what they would do They avoid iTunes and Amazon who are using this quote patent Okay now let me just say something Dr Drew You should stop, you should be fixing the Hollywood druggies. Apple computers... What? Apple was sued by Personal Audio and all of this is in the show notes and they paid eight million dollars for two things For a patent regarding playlists on mp3 players And This payment was for use of this patent than any other patents in the future

1:52:36 Which includes the 506 podcast patent. This is what no one is telling you, Apple paid already! So it's not like Apple's not getting sued...Apple got sued they paid 8 million dollars flat fee one time they can use a technology forever now And personal audio actually tried to go back and say, hey man that's messed up. They're lawyers at a bad job and they messed it up for them so they only got 8 million and Apple can use any version of that initial patent in the future. Do you have big red light blinking or anything? Yeah I've got a big red light. So anyway... That was great! We are recording now

1:53:23 Ha ha that was great wasn't it okay, so you missed it. They missed the wrap-up all right What do we miss? I'll tell you what you missed cuz they do I remember when this thing went off I didn't think much about at the time where Mitch missed a final Adam Carolla analysis yeah And then with some additional material that you added, we got lost. And then you missed the little exposition on the drug situation with this drug... But it was good? We'll do the drug thing on Sunday because we can just do the whole drug thing over again. Yeah that's easy enough and then we take that straight into the NFL draft now we can leave we can drop that I'm really sorry let me tell you what happened so there was some glitch

1:54:10 And you remember when I couldn't play the rest of the clip. Right? And that glitch also killed the stream and the recording, and honestly it being 2 30 a.m., I just spaced my bad. Don't ever say MY BAD! Why not?! That is the worst...I hate that people say My Bad Is that worse than Gazillion? I don't say gazillion. I'm just asking is it worse than gazillion? Yeah, oh yes as much worse than gazillion Okay It was my fault Yes there you go! I'm sorry...I feel quite bad about that You are of course you do

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1:55:40 Vladimir Stashkov in, you know someplace in Russia. 99-99 Oh I should do a 9 or 9 or 9 or 9 for him hold on a second Yes you should I'm just catching up here Okay here we go There we go He says, I want to remind freeloading boners out there to donate to the show as it's scientifically proven fact that you're not fully immune to the mainstream propaganda until you become a donor. Not necessarily listener which we talked about before and it's a different take on that idea. I have to click back and forth so you get to deal with another night. Can I just say something? Yeah This almost looks like 618 spreadsheet

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2:02:14 And it was a cult bookstore, you know, not an occult bookstore. You know O-C-C-U-L-T? Black Covers with Pentagrams Yeah that kind of place and the guy said to him he says you know I think we should... there's no good And does anybody know anything about podcasting? Scott chimed in saying, yeah I know about podcasts. You know what the most important thing about podcasts that people have to realize is the quality of the sound. It's very important and he and the guy says to him what do you know about it? He said well i listen to The No Agenda Show.

2:02:59 The guy says the owner that were one of the owners I guess says to him you mean uh? That guy with the earthquake machine Yeah, and then Scott was fired two days later. No are you kidding me no That's the story from the occult bookstore because he of the earthquake machine. That's what his claim is Wow damn Yeah, that's harsh. That's what I thought! That's harsh? Yeah it was just one of those stories Oh that's horrible So you wanted to feel bad i thought i'd liven it up for you How funny is it that we sat here and were talking about something for 20 minutes and no one will ever hear it

2:03:48 I think that happens once in a while. I had great conversation with my wife the other day What did you say? What were you talking to me? Wow, you just you're just obsessing on this yeah of course i'm obsessed It's it's the one of the worst things that can ever happen Well, I'm obsessing on it because I sat here and I looked at the blank slate With no recordings going and then at a certain point. I'm like hey wait a minute Should be recording man all right? All right, all right, okay We will make up for it on Sunday And I want to thank everybody who sponsored us with your donations today Especially everyone who comes in under the $50 level where a lot of it is for anonymous anonymity reasons

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2:05:26 Then it truly is. We are making you healthier. You know, Dave Mastin... Actually that's the kind of message I got at the meetup. There was this one guy who had his kid there at the meetup and he was the cutest kid ever And he's already trying to drug the kid. He says, he's not gonna do that anymore. He wouldn't have even thought of homeschooling which his wife wanted him to do and still listens to our show and doesn't feel uncomfortable about the idea. There is a lot of this concept that I feel better About yes things because I at least listen to two guys who are sane and there and these two guys by the way neither one of us or taking anything that would alter our consciousness for make us nuts not my force Government eat it government. You know, I don't pick it up at the pharmacy

2:06:20 So, you know. You have a cognac and you're fine." No! In fact I don't have a cognac...I picked up another Suntory whiskey And someone's been drinking this because it is almost empty. Hmmmm. I wonder who that is? It's the Tories' It's very funny This is probably a shitty one But wow the Suntory whiskey is really good Is Suntory...I guess it's the water they use? They blend....I don't know what they do I used to know more about Suntory whiskey than i do currently. It's really smooth, I like it a lot! Really tastes good. It's blended whiskey designed to be very smooth

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2:07:50 And he'll become Baronet Wilson of the Low Country, and of course you can't really claim a protectorate until he is baron. But I guess he's looking forward to...I guess he's just getting ready for everything and no other nightings or anything today unfortunately. Well hopefully on Sunday some real...we haven't had an instant night for awhile that's what we're looking for. Instant night yeah Of course, the big news which I've been following for years now and it finally happened. It was very interesting to see so many of the news outlets going oh well they didn't sign the gas deal haha! And then at the very end there we had the Chinese and the Russians under the watchful eye...

2:07:01 Alright, and also of course we want to thank our executive producers and associate executive producers. You really came through for us as some of you even got credited a second time while you weren't supposed... I don't know it doesn't really... things happen We're very small outfit. We're operating on a budget here It wouldn't be bad to have a little bit more budget please go to vorac.org slash n-h Well, it's real easy for today. Paulina Spencer says happy birthday to Edwin Luchtenberg who celebrates on the 27th! And that's it! Happy Birthday from all your friends here at The Best Podcast in the Universe... And Sir Nate Wilson thanks to his donation today becomes a baronet and

2:07:50 And he'll become Baronet Wilson of the Low Country, and of course you can't really claim a protectorate until he is baron. But I guess he's looking forward to...I guess he's just getting ready for everything and no other nightings or anything today unfortunately. Well hopefully on Sunday some real...we haven't had an instant night for awhile that's what we're looking for. Instant night yeah Of course, the big news which I've been following for years now and it finally happened. It was very interesting to see so many of the news outlets going oh well they didn't sign the gas deal haha! And then at the very end there we had the Chinese and the Russians under the watchful eye...

2:08:45 signed their $400 billion deal for the pipeline from Siberia up to China, which is a very small... it's much smaller than it sounds. I mean no way will it make up for anything they lose in sales to Europe and there's also nothing near what China really needs but its significant! They've been trying to get this deal together for 10 years And I think the whole Putin going over there, it was really a show. The audience was the United States government. I think you would agree with me on that John? Yeah obviously! It's like hey ha ha look at what we're doing That's really what that was about but something very odd happened and i haven't... I have a short clip this is Holder so now here's what we have

2:09:40 Putin going over to China to do this deal and by the way, there's also some security conference. There is a whole bunch of stuff going on over there We're floundering away with noodle men and all the neocons in Ukraine trying to set up this bogative Election which will take place on what? The 25th so that's...what was that Sunday I guess it's Sunday Yeah looks like it or etc And then If we look at the pivot to Asia, if you look at the BRICS and my thesis of course that slowly but surely there's a

2:10:22 There's a movement underway to rid the world of the petrodollar. And this Russia-China deal, although it seems like the pricing is still done in dollars you know it's going to be in local currency so whether its Remnib or whether it's rubles or oh god forbid SDRs but it's not going to be in dollars So this just little chink, little chunk And then Holder, the United States' highest man in all of justice above even the Comey douche who you heard about. I mean he's the guy everyone reports to He comes out and does this! We're here this morning to discuss a matter that proves this threat warned about by the president is all too real Today we are announcing an indictment against five officers of the Chinese People's Liberation Army for serious cyber security breaches against six American victim companies

2:11:20 Victim companies, by the way. Please note... These represent the first ever charges against known state actors for infiltrating United States commercial targets by cyber means A federal grand jury in Pittsburgh has found that these five Chinese military officers conspired together and with others to hack into computers of organizations in Western Pennsylvania and elsewhere in the United States The victim entities include Westinghouse Electric, Alcoa, Allegheny Technologies Incorporated United States Steel, the United Steel Workers Union and Solar World. This is very interesting to me First of all I don't know about how much intellectual property the Chinese need to steal from solar world Don't the Chinese have cheaper solar panels and better technology than we do?

2:12:14 Yeah, they're the ones that took over the market. Right and then steel? Really don't the Chinese kind of own a steel market? So apparently it was some kind of deal for someone and this is you'll hear in a second from Holder that they stole... I guess they sold the PowerPoint or something They went and stole their pitch deck This is a case alleging economic espionage by members of the Chinese military The range of trade secrets and other sensitive business information stolen in this case is significant, and demands an aggressive response. Yeah! We should bomb them! The indictment alleges that these PLA officers maintained unauthorized access to victim computers... ...to steal information from these entities that would be useful for their competitors in China including state-owned enterprises

2:13:08 In some cases, they stole trade secrets that would have been particularly beneficial to Chinese companies at the time that they were stolen. Okay it's you know what I mean? It sounds like a pitch and if anything it sounds like a pricing issue by these five Chinese... And did you hear their names who he indicted this is funny Yeah, I know it's almost like that something wrong. Yeah It was Wong Dong Yeah, let's play the rest of Holden we can talk about in others they stole sensitive internal communications That would provide a competitor or an adversary in litigation with insight into the strategy and the vulnerabilities of the American entity

2:13:58 In sum, the alleged hacking appears to have been conducted for no other reason than to advantage state-owned companies and other interests in China at the expense of businesses here in the United States. This is a tactic that the United States government categorically denounces. Yeah, of course we never do this! As President Obama has said on numerous occasions We do not collect intelligence to provide a competitive advantage to United States companies or to the United States commercial sector Our economic security and our ability to compete fairly in the global marketplace are directly linked to our national security There you go

2:14:39 Yeah, we don't do that. So there's an indictment of five guys who are never going to catch because they're in China... Of course not! It could be just anonymous names for all we know. So why does Holder do this? Why when there is such an important meeting happening... Is this guy insane?! In fact, before you answer let's go to our friend Matt from Associated Press who asked Jen Psaki this very question. So in other words what you're saying is the Department of Justice came to you and said we're going to do this and the building said okay? And then you went and told the Chinese about it before the announcement? Well that is about the timeline of things yes

2:15:26 Okay, so we consult with governments on a regular basis as the State Department did the State Department Think that it was a good idea To do this given the reaction of the Chinese government to indictments that even the Justice Department doesn't think it will ever be able to prosecute and The fact that it happened as President Putin was flying to China Can you explain how this was not an? what seems to be just an epic fuck up timing disaster. You are, correct me if I'm wrong seeking Chinese help cooperation on any number of issues ranging from North Korea to Iran to Syria to wherever is that right? Even Ukraine at the same time you are engaged in preparatory discussions for the S&ED which is going on

2:16:26 That's the, is that the Security Economic Summit I think it is? The SED. Yeah, I think so something like that So I don't know...I just find it very difficult to believe that the State Department would say to the Justice Department Okay yeah this is a good idea let's announce these indictments which we're never going to prosecute It's just for show as the Attorney General said This was a wake-up call to the Chinese And you just basically drove the Chinese into Putin's arms. What is your take on this, John? Because that is exactly the take I had on it!

2:17:06 I'm not buying that they drove the China. I think this is a, for one thing let's start with the reality of this building that they found this bull crap going on and was spotted and discussed in the media about two or three months ago even longer ago i think maybe could be my time frame could be wrong but it has been a known entity its been sitting there And now they, I guess they penetrated it somehow or took them that long or they always knew all along. So they had to do this thing out of the blue at the last minute for this particular moment

2:17:44 I'm thinking, you know it's just like...I have no idea why they timed it for this. It is a meaningless effort. It had something to do with hacking, the hacking thing there was a lot of hacking stories Do you think that it was possible that it was meant to actually...the oil pipeline deal wasn't signed until the last minute? You don't think there was just a little push now? No, I really think we don't have a clue why they did this at this moment It's just, I felt the same way. That's why didn't actually clip it or deal with it because I was baffled by the whole thing.

2:18:23 It may have to do with that special that Frontline ran. I mean, it's right at the timing of that is right on the money. It's like Frontline runs a special this you in United States of secrecy and then they throw this thing into the pot which we would know was going on all along right in the middle of the showing of that story which was getting I'm sure a lot of people calling their congressman bitching and so they throw this thing in there now they got well you know we have to do because the Chinese do it It's the only thing that's even remotely possible in my mind. Good point and well, so the interesting thing of course is you know it's another little chink in the armor I'm just not sure who's on whose side but I'm not completely convinced that as you know anyone has America's best interests at heart. I just don't see any we know

2:19:18 Carrie and noodle man all the neocons they all want the IMF reform signed ratified because they're all globalist they'll want to sd our stuff that happened ok everyone's got their kids in Kiev. Yeah, hey kids in Kiev there you go. Oh and they got in Biden's kids working in did you? So by the way yeah I want to get a I have Ukraine clip that I want to get out of the way because it kind of complicates the matter of Ukraine nice That it kind of confuses things And this is the one you dive had this clip for a couple weeks But just having an excuse to play it but play this clip cuz it's very interesting

2:20:03 In the wake of the severance of political ties between Kiev and Moscow, both countries are looking at how to limit damage to their multi-billion dollar military industries which have been entwined for decades. Kiev could axe trade with Moscow, its biggest buyer of military equipment but may be able to offset thousands of job losses by exploring newly opened market opportunities in the EU. However Russia faces a lengthy and expensive challenge in replacing the hundreds of Ukrainian companies which provide crucial parts for the Russian arsenal About 400 Russian defense companies, over a third of the country's total rely on Ukrainian expertise and military manufacturing. If Kiev outlawed such cooperation Russia's state armaments program would be seriously damaged. Russia's arms industry relies on motor Sich airplane engines built in the Ukrainian city of Zaporozhye and turbines from Zorya Mashproekt complex in Nikolaev in southern Ukraine are important components of Russia's maritime fleet

2:21:03 Russia also needs Ukrainian expertise from state-owned company Yuzhnoy, which oversees maintenance of Russia's nuclear missiles. Yuzhmesh, also a state owned company, manufactures missiles satellites and spacecraft used by Russia. Experts say it could be at least a decade before Russia would be able to gain military independence from Ukraine with Moscow needing to invest heavily in constructing entirely new arms manufacturing sectors Although a complete termination of military alliances between Russian and Ukrainian defense companies would be catastrophic for both countries in the short run, prospects for Ukraine look better with a host of EU defense manufacturers already eager to enter the lucrative Ukrainian market. Yeah it's war all wars are banker wars beautiful I found that an interesting report yeah we need more war well it's gonna happen something bad is going to happen I can tell you

2:22:01 Why? The signals are right here. May 25th, Sunday we have the vote for this is the presidential election and there will be a team of observers to supervise the presidential election and who will be leading that team Biden Close enough Madeline Albright Oh my god worse I mean you could not have a worse... first all she's a zombie She is a zombie. And essentially they're just hiring her... Something's wrong with her Well, they're hiring her company but she has a huge... the Albright... what is that thing called? The Albright... it's huge! Everybody's in that thing. The Albright Consulting I think this makes sense right? Albright Consulting here we go No, that's not it What does that thing called John

2:23:13 I...Albright, look it up. Albright Stonebridge Group there you go the Albright Stonebridge Group this thing is big global strategy and business advisory firm led by former US Secretary of State in the Clinton administration Madeline Albright. We see Sam Berger is in there we have they got offices in Beijing Shanghai Sao Paulo New Delhi the Albright group And Stonebridge LLC, they merged in 2009. They've worked in 65... So when you want something to happen in a country? You call these guys! But you wanna get a deal together? You call these guys That's who you wanna call Now they're overseeing the election process We speak the languages of businesses and governments translating opportunities and risks into benefits and rewards Let me see if there is anything on news

2:24:12 Albrightstonebridge.com, wow! It's funny they're doing all kinds of voting stuff. The senior counselor ambassador Jips op-ed on the upcoming South African elections. Senior advisor Browner's profile... Let me see, voting continues in India. Oh man you know such a big game, such a big game nobody understands this

2:24:49 Yeah, well we do not. We're not part of it that's for sure. There is an interesting report that came out about in regard to Common Core and the whole STEM push science technology engineering and math And I don't know if you saw any of this John the report which I looked at the report Who did this report? Actually, it was a report and they brought in the number of reports from the RAND Corporation EPI Economic Policy Institute. And as it turns out there is absolutely no shortage of workers with STEM degrees for STEM jobs and this whole push for STEM

2:25:38 Which, as we know certainly in the common core realm is being paid for by Microsoft and Motorola and Intel. And Dell... It's only meant for one thing and one thing only wage suppression! Okay, yeah. You know that's what you said is I should have spotted it myself as a former union organizer Yeah It's exactly what it is They're paying too much money and it's getting too difficult to get the Indians to come over because they'll work for cheap And uh...yeah That's good. I like it This is what this guy at Davis has been saying for years He says all this stuff is bullcrap We've got plenty of people that can do any of these jobs but no one wants to pay them what they're worth

2:26:31 And we just had that big lawsuit, Apple and everyone colluding. Yeah right right right right yeah Apple they should throw somebody in jail over this but they won't Really? Was it a jailable offense in your opinion I think it was yeah How so You can't... It's an anti-trust, anti competitive thing I think is like a misdemeanor or I think its a jailable or maybe even worse Is not a minor thing what they did That kind of collusion is just solidly against the law. Right, well that's what going on and anyone pushing your kids towards... In fact I'm gonna play you a little clippy. Tell them to take the saxophone instead! This is fun little clippy. Are you gonna tell me who this is?

2:27:25 There we go. What's this for? As a child, I dreamed of what i wanted to become... A doctor, a teacher, a scientist an architect Children today have these same dreams We encourage them to think big and set their sights high But from- This is-I'll tell you what this is about This is a promotional video For a foundation, a big American corporation foundation Who are financing charter schools, which and of course actually one of our producers sent this to me. He heard an entire piece on NPR about Common Core and the underwriter of the piece was this outfit. Millions of students in America it's much harder for that dream to come true these students are handed a system that doesn't give everyone the same opportunity to succeed

2:28:14 Students from low-income communities are often forced to attend underperforming schools that fail to prepare them to succeed in college and their careers. Nearly three quarters of low income fourth graders are not proficient in reading. You've gotta see the video to this, but they use that OECD data, but they're not really using the data. You just see little maps of countries and you see Japan and China and their charts are way bigger than America no numbers or anything it's like a big bar chart that shows we just suck! We're horrible, we're dumb, we're dummies which is... Which is not true. Which is not true. No, it's small percentages Out of every five black and Hispanic teenagers do NOT graduate from high school

2:29:00 Cutting their dreams short and setting the stage for unemployment, increased crime and a host of other problems. Woo! Like drugs! This failure affects all of America as we fall short of our ideals of equal opportunity Yeah And lag farther and farther behind other countries in Alright who do you think it is? The reveal is coming Microsoft An academic achievement As a parent, I see the need for immediate action. Action that will transform our public school system and give our children the opportunity to not only dream big but also see their dreams come true. The Walton Family Foundation shares my urgent... Right! The cheapest bastards in the world

2:29:44 That's Walmart. There is a huge one that they're doing, they are doing a huge push here about we're going to hire 100 thousand veterans and it is obviously low paying jobs you say hello to people coming in We have to wrap this up because you have to go to bed and I'm fearful because of the mistakes that happened on the show including mine sending the old spreadsheet I looked it up...I am just getting into it! I am just having fun Now you want to quit? Well, it's like you know at some point we have to cut the show off and finish. Yeah So you can well the way I see it most it fall asleep in the meantime Well, the way I see it is we are at two hours without because we lost 20 minutes We're now at 2 hours and 25 minutes so we got five more minutes ago You have something I will fill this with joy

2:30:37 The 9-11 museum opened in New York City. to a lot of controversy, obviously because they're selling little tchotchkes. The burning building? Yeah! In a globe in a snow globe Do you know this for fact? It was a burning building snow globe? It's a money maker I can tell ya now Like little pieces of steel key chains There was a lot of controversy A lot of people were very angry about this Very angry And so of course, you know we need to circumvent this and we need to bring in some experts. The best thing you can do is just turn it into a Truth-er thing! Two clips both from CNN, of course Don Lemon first he is now going to spin the Truth-er Museum which sounds pretty disgusting to me

2:31:35 And so this is a memorial, this is where all these people died. And instead of saying hey you know this museum was a little weird with the burning building snow globe... No let's make it about 9-11 truthers and both he and Jake Tapper just... Jake Tapper, he does not even pretending to care anymore But Don Lemon still kind of gets into it. Back with me now, New York State Assemblywoman Nicole Malliotakis. Allison I want to turn to you because your-you said that you're okay with this gift shop but what do you how do you feel about these truthers that are coming out and sort of promulgating this whole myth of 9 11 that it was an inside job outside the museum at the memorial? What do you make of that? Now so this is a New York Assembly woman and he's just

2:32:22 Washed away the whole controversy over the gift shop. And what do you make of these crazy truthers? She has some new information I was not aware of! Well, I think it's very unfortunate and it's very insensitive of these people but this is a country that has freedom of speech so... I suppose they have their right to say whatever they feel. They're not well informed, you know nobody was standing there pushing a button and saying all right time to collapse the buildings that the buildings were structurally compromised by... Okay let me just say no one asked you for this opinion! Nobody was sitting there with a button

2:33:04 the attacks and when they were built, as I understand it. I attended the skyscraper safety hearings for the 9-11 Commission Now, I've never heard of the skyscraper safety hearings for the 9-11 Commission. I followed this very closely. I read the report, of course. I've never heard of this commission. She attended it and here's some new information... And uh, I understood that these buildings were designed to come straight down if anything happened which was unimaginable at that time To prevent a larger greater damage of them toppling over Okay let me get this straight

2:33:40 These buildings, including... WTC 7 won't go away! Which had absolutely no plane fly into it. Were designed to collapse at the speed of- Straight down. At gravity speed even if there was just fire in one piece so you know nobody- So it wasn't topple over like a Jenga Look out, it's toppling! But he pushed that button and said alright time to collapse these things. They just... No no when you say this twice lady no one pressed the button and says try to collapse this. They just came down. You know people have been saying the world is ending in big newspaper headlines for a long time so I put in that category

2:34:31 of newspapers. Okay, of utter nonsense and yeah you know people just need to be informed okay we need to be informed okay all right so I'm just a little confused about how World Trade Center... What's that got to do with the gift shop too? Ok let's go to Jake Tapper now he brings on He's running out of ideas, or CNN is. So they couldn't get the assemblywoman... Let's bring on I don't know some dits from Slate magazine What do you say John? That could be funny September 11th Memorial Museum opens to the public this week in Lower Manhattan and some conspiracy theorists who are apparently no strangers to Photoshop plan on attending

2:35:09 According to the Village Voice newspaper, which broke this story. The conspiracy group Architects and Engineers for 9-11 Truth... Now this is now a conspiracy group! I have to say of all the people who... Of all the groups that is the most legitimate it seems to me Yes! That and Pilots for 9-11 Truth which I'm a member of Because, you know the NIST report says these aircraft flew at 530 miles per hour at 2,000 feet. I don't think so! But okay and it's all kinds of discrepancies but architects and engineers? That's a conspiracy group now?! Wow! Plan on standing outside the entrance on opening day to hand out fake museum brochures designed to look exactly like the real ones Okay, let's not talk about the museum Let's talk about crazy

2:35:56 truthers. I'm using the term loosely there. Proving! I'll tell you, Jake... Of course Jake has his own thoughts but he's been told hey what you need to do is discredit these guys and distract attention away from the museum which is kind of sick

2:36:31 And just go, you know what Jake we're gonna get this ditzy chick on and just go nuts. That's their word not ours but all three World Trade Center skyscrapers were deliberately destroyed by explosives on 9-11 of course they don't actually prove anything except for man's capacity for believing crazy things insensitivity to, for instance. The families of the approximately 3,000 people killed in New York, the Pentagon and in a field in Pennsylvania by Islamic terrorists with Al-Qaeda as every credible investigation has actually proven Do you think Jake could sleep at night after this one, John? Do you think he was okay after this? I don't think...I think it was fine. Let's bring in Emily Bazelon. These guys aren't all in on this. Well let's bring in Emily. Emily is great! Senior editor of Slate for more on this. Does anyone still read Slate Magazine? Is that a website or what is that? It's owned by Microsoft so you can figure out for yourself

2:37:26 We are more than a decade after the tragedy. I take it back, The Washington Post bought it? Oh okay. It was 9-11. Which is even worse. Yes, its Amazon. Its not Microsoft, its Amazon. Gotcha. Why do these truthers have such staying power? That's a good question! The persistence of this theory... You know usually with the conspiracy theory you imagine that people are trying to make sense of the senseless but with 9-11 we have a real conspiracy called Al Qaeda and so one has to imagine You have to imagine that the anti-government motivation of the 9 11 truthers is really what's driving this. Because if you could imagine that the government made up 911 as a hoax, then the government is completely monstrous! There's no reason to believe anything any federal official says and certainly no reason to pay your taxes. You're making my point for me!!

2:38:13 Wait a minute, there's no reason to pay your taxes? Don't pay your taxes! The lady from Slate said it. If you think the government is evil don't pay your taxes and what happens when this kind of nonsense hits the echo chamber of the internet oh well that's what makes a good podcast of course Well it tends to multiply online and you see these dark corners on the intranet Hello, I'm in the dark corner of the internet over here. Hey buddy come over here in the dark corner where people pile on and there's this very minute parsing of the technicalities of the supposed evidence and more and more detail gets added and accumulated And it kind of feeds on itself Oh!

2:39:01 he's not gonna stop right is not just that the three buildings were uh... destroyed by explosives that it's all part of this grand conspiracy where the u s government i mean and let me and let me state if i have a minute clear enough none of this is true this is called as crazy talk Don't pay your taxes, crazy talk. But that the US government faked it killed all these people intentionally and it was just to start a war in Iraq and another one in Afghanistan is that the idea they're going for here? Let me see let's listen to General Wesley Clark for second About ten days after 9-11 I went through the Pentagon and saw Secretary Rumsfeld

2:39:45 and Deputy Secretary Wolfowitz, I went downstairs just to say hello to some of the people on the joint staff who used-used to work for me. And one of the generals called me in he said sir you gotta come in-you gotta come in and talk to me a second. I said well your too busy He says no no, we've made the decision were going to war with Iraq This was on or about the 20th September. I said were going to war with Iraq? Why? He said...I don't know! He said I guess they don't know what else to do So I said well did they find some information collecting Saddam to al-Qaeda? He said no, no. There's nothing new that way they just made the decision to go to war with Iraq he said I guess it's like we don't know what to do about terrorists but We've got a good military and we can take down governments And um...he said if the only tool you have is a hammer every problem has to look like a nail so i came back to see him a few weeks later

2:40:46 and by that time we were bombing in afghanistan i said are we still going to war with iraq and he said oh it's worse than that he said he reached over on his desk you picked up a piece of paper so just he said i just got this down from upstairs mean secretary defense office today and he said this is a memo the describes how we're gonna take out seven countries in five years starting with iraq and syria lebanon libya somalia sudan finishing off iran is just crazy talk That's the idea, and just to state it is to show how horrifying it is. I suppose that given that the American government did put forward some false ideas to motivate going into Iraq in particular or the whole idea there were weapons of mass destruction there...that's like a tiny tiny kernel of truth? It's just a tiny teeny little itty bitty crumb of little piece of nothingness!

2:41:46 This is... this is just nothing. It's in some way related to this completely crazy theory. Crazy! There's also a lot of scapegoating involved in 9-11 truth. Jews, Jews! There's anti-Semitism, anti Israel, anti corporations right? Jews! Exactly and I think you see these virulent Wait wait Wait, wait for it. How about Republicans? Brains that are related to each other and familiar from fringe right wing... Did you notice the word virulent again? Yes! This is this is virulent what did we just look this word up? What does virulent mean? It means uh... Ah ah! Actively poisonous Intensely noxious

2:42:35 You're gonna hear it a lot. Virulent, actively poisonous... Oh I like this! This is very very nice Exactly and i think you see these virulent strains that are related to each other and familiar from fringe right-wing talk God yes exactly! Right wing talk do Republicans They all get kind of weirdly braided together in this particular theory Okay I've had it with her stop This woman is an idiot. Oh, she's lovely! It's just, it's 30 seconds. And she has that screechy voice like the woman with putting the flute in herself. 26 more seconds! I know you can handle it. Historically we see these people... No, I can't Oh yes you can. This is Jake! This is Jake! This is as long as 5 minutes of the history of this show by the way. The series comes after very upsetting events Kennedy assassination, the assassination of Martin Luther King Jr Is there a pattern there? Oh... Is there a pattern?! Yes

2:43:37 each time something really scary and disastrous happens people search for meaning. And then sometimes even when there is a clear explanation because we have that for 9-11 in the way that we didn't for the Kennedy assassination certainly at first, when you have this search Opposed other evidence out there and people just kind of pick it up and run with it even when it seems completely unwarranted I stuck a flute in my pussy Benghazi Benghazi Benghazi. All right, geez Okay you Next time I have a boring clip of some nut job And use all I can't play it anymore your planet. Yeah, but yeah, no, but she was terrible. I know

2:44:23 I mean, but unlistenable terrible. She was annoying and it was a terrible clip It was two minutes of my life that'll never get back You're right. I'm sorry. I apologize She's a horrible person And why was she even on the show? That's not an expert in any... I know but you didn't have to let her talk! It was funny! I like what she said about this little itty bitty This little thing about weapons of mass destruction It only killed a million Iraqis is no big deal Well, that was amusing but I think you're punchy. I'm punchy? Yeah! It's just late in the day... You didn't get a nap today and you just think this idiot is hilarious when in fact she's just an idiot. Well then I'll let you take us home big boy. Well, I want to thank everybody for listening to the show so- Oh come on, you gotta have one clip to take us home. Oh well I do have a Rubio clip which cracks me up

2:45:23 Have to work about torture, but that's no fun. Well let's see if you can top it Let's even top my girl from slate come on. Oh, you mean the bad No, no make it better Okay, let's play well. Let's play they actually let's play oh Let's play this student loan crisis clip. No, it's too long! No I got nothing! It's only a minute. Brahimi this guy the guy used to be the go-between between the UN and Syria? Yeah Play him! Presidential elections for June But uh... The question is how many more dead How much more destruction there is going to be before Syria

2:46:04 becomes again the Syria we have known, the new Syria that will be different from the Syria of the past but it will be this Syria we have loved and admired for many many years. Wait a minute, the Syria that we've loved and admired? Yes! The Syria we've known. Syria was always a terrorist state. It was one of the worst countries ever. We had somehow... According to this UN guy that we'd known and loved. We put Bashar's wife in Vogue magazine Everybody was hanging out with them Brad Pitt and Angelina Jolie were driving around Damascus having lunch

2:46:50 Oh, how quickly we forget. This is the country that probably brought down that Pan Am flight No That was a CIA drug running operation It was different Yeah I'm sure it was involved somehow But they're the ones who- I think they bought They're the ones who were responsible for a whole crapload of terrorist things That they used to use to uh... Well? Does that mean you don't have to love them? No its just there's a country we all known and loved Ugh, anybody would find weird Ah, John. When are you flying home? Tomorrow Okay Oh so- but you're done for tonight You don't have to do any uh... Do you have to anything? I got another meet up Alright But no speaking game No more speaking All right well we fly home tomorrow It'll be a long flight We leave tomorrow and we fly home yesterday And we arrive yesterday And looking forward to the show on Sunday! Thank you all for putting up with my punchiness here

2:47:50 Of course it is 328. What? Yeah, just think okay go on yeah 320 am think about it happens It happens all right coming to you from the Hot Pockets wasabi tour love hotel here in Tokyo In the morning everybody I'm Adam Curry and coming from a Marriott someplace in Michigan I'm John C Dvorak we will be back on Sunday right here On No Agenda That's one hot roast, baby.